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Talk:Jolt (ROTF)

2009-08-15T22:15:37Z

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Isn't his name actually really "Volt"? {{unsigned|GUIGUI}}
:Not according to the Hasbro press packet, if I recall.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:11, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
::Or recent press coverage. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
:His name is Jolt. However, he ''transforms'' into a Volt. There lies the difference. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:54, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

== Walmart.com link to Jolt ==

"Product not found". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:21, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
: You should probably remove the link, then. (I wish Starfield hadn't added the links in the first place. They're so fickle.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:58, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::[[Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|You can stop blaming Starfield]], since I was the one who started putting the links around, and was the one who put the link on this page in the first place. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:57, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:::But he's so blamable! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:00, 10 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Regarding removing links, I thought about it, but then I feared I would foul something up. Next time, I'll be more proactive. Thanks, ItsWalky. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:39, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

==Voice==

Wasn't there word going around for a while that Anthony Anderson was supposed to be Jolt's voice or did that turn out to be false. (given that Jolt never talks anyway)
:Won't know until we see if they add some Jolt scenes back in for the DVD.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:29, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::Was false, because those same rumours also listed the incorrect credits for Sideswipe and Arcee. Sadly, Variety's review listed this credits for some reason. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:02, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Page Quote ==

Do we really need a quote for this page? I can understand wanting to have a consistent format, but Jolt doesn't talk at ''all'' and the quote from Ratchet doesn't seem informative or interesting. Given his tiny role in the film can't we just leave this page quote-less? [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 18:15, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

Humanization

2009-08-08T19:24:33Z

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Throughout the various Transformers canon, there have been several instances of Transformers with humanistic traits and having very human actions that possibly conflict with their status as mechanical robots. Many of these instances can be dismissed as stylistic choices by the artists or as gags not to be taken seriously.

==Glandular, digestive, and respiratory==
===Sweating===
* In [[Prime Time!|issue twelve]] of the original [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comic]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is seen leaking lubricant from his head during a stressful confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (as Shockwave points out), in a manner resembling sweating.
* Numerous times in the Marvel UK comic, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] can be seen "sweating".
* ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' and ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' featured Transformers displaying the traditional anime "sweat drop", a giant bead of liquid appearing at the side of the head to convey embarrassment or exasperation.

===Coughing===
* In the G1 episode "[[Roll for It]]", when the Autobots emerge from the ruins of a demolished [[antimatter]] laboratory, they are coughing.
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] coughs while infected with Cosmic Rust. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}
* In "[[Call of the Primitives]]", a fiery blast from [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] causes both the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] and [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] to cough.
* In ''Beast Wars'', [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] begins to cough for no reason while making a triumphant speech. Much like Powerglide's "heart", this could be a one-shot joke. He also coughs while sleeping.
* In the ''Transformers Armada'' episode "[[Mortal Combat]]", right after Optimus Prime says "I wish I could accommodate you," he coughs silently.

===Breathing===
On ''Star Trek the Next Generation'', it was explained that the android Data's breathing served primarily to cool his inner components. It could be argued that breathing serves the same purpose in Transformers, but this explanation is always going to smack of desperation.

* In an ''Energon'' episode, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] instructs [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] that they have to synchronize their breathing before they can [[Powerlinx|powerlink]].
* At the climax of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] tries to strangle [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], complete with sounds of Hot Rod gagging and struggling to breathe. It's possible that Galvatron was trying to compress Hot Rod's neck until the Autobot's head popped off, but that isn't likely.
* [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], calling for help as a python constricts him, says he can't breathe. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}}
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] is shown to be breathing heavily after trying to chase down Blurr, even though he quips in a previous episode that not needing to breathe is useful for an Autobot. {{storylink|Velocity}}
* On the [[Nemesis (ROTF)| Nemesis]], [[Megatron (Movie)| Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Movie)| Starscream's]] breath can be seen due to condensation in the cold ship. {{storylink| Revenge of the Fallen (film)|}}

===Spitting===
* Throughout his term on the Marvel UK comic letters page, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] would regularly say "(Puttup)" after mentioning the Autobots or an Autobot's name to represent him spitting in disgust. This habit made an in-story appearance, with him spitting at [[Donny Finkleberg|Robot-Master]] despite his [[mouthplate]].
* In issue 72 of the Marvel US comics, after [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] escapes from the Decepticons's New Jersey base via a sewer, he spits as he complains about their poor choice of back door.
* In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[Tangled Web]]", [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] "spits" after reissuing his challenge to tangle with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], despite the fact that, like Soundwave, he has no apparent mouth.
*In ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] spits at [[Sam Witwicky]]. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] also has to spit his mouth clean after being blasted across a forest by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].

===Crying===
[[Image:Omega Supreme tears up.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Tissue: desired.]]

* A twinkle of light that may not literally be a tear, but is clearly intended to imply one, can be seen in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s eye at the end of "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]".

* When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] dies in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is seen to dab at her eyes.

* In "[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]", [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] has tears falling from his eyes, presumably in pain, during his monstrous disfigurement after he gains the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].

* At the end of "[[Heroic! The Victory War]]", some Decepticons are crying over their defeat.

* As he mourns his dead friend [[Snowstalker]] and decides he can never fight again, [[Tigatron]] cries a single tear in beast mode.

* When pondering [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]'s fate in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] is shown to shed a single tear from one of her spider eyes.

[[Image:Bw2 ep6 twinwaterfalls.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Surf's up—and I'm talkin' ''up''!]]

* Throughout ''[[Beast Wars II (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'', and occasionally in the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' cartoon, several characters are seen crying in hyperbolic anime fashion.

* Tears can be seen welling up in [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]'s eyes and falling to the ground in ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' as he mourns a fallen comrade.

* In ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]]'', [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] cries, though this "ability" could be part of her partially organic nature. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] cries after [[Sam Witwicky]] tells him cars are not allowed on campus. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''

===Eating===
[[Image:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|200px|right|thumb]]

* There are references to [[Cybertronian food]].

* [[Skullcruncher]] has been known to eat Autobots as well as humans and other organics, despite not needing to do so to survive. Other Decepticons are disgusted by this practice.

* There are Pepsi and [[Destron Pizza|pizza]] in the refrigerator in [[Pepsi Convoy]]'s home.

* In ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', the Maximals and Predacons are shown to eat:
**[[Tarantulas]] even displays something of a voracious appetite, eating rats and leaving webs to catch prey. At one point, he captures Cheetor and prepares to drain the Maximal's fluids, claiming that it is the act he prefers over the nourishment (which adds just another level of creepy to the already creepy Tarantulas). {{storylink|The Web}}
**[[Rattrap]] eats apples. {{storylink|The Web}}
**[[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] eats a bird. {{storylink|Power Surge}}
**[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] eats [[Clone One|his clone]]. [[Optimus Primal]] remarks that he is "disgusting". {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}
**While suffering from an [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] discharge virus, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] eats wild beans to build up his power. This later ends disastrously for [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Low Road}}
*In ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] is shown eating what appear to be metallic apples. Boy's got some strong teeth. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}
* Also in ''Beast Machines'', [[Optimus Primal]] wants to eat the underground tree's fruit; [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] protests that "we don't eat food, we process [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]—PERIOD!", but is overruled. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}

===Flatulence===
* In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[The Low Road]]", Rhinox lets out an extreme amount of flatulence after consuming wild bean vines. This could be due to Maximals having organic parts in their makeup.
* In the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Bad Spark]]", [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] also lets out flatulence, blaming it on a large buildup of energy from his [[Transmetal]] body.
* Just go watch ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. Happens every five minutes. You can set a clock by it.

===Urination===
* [[Tasmania Kid]] urinates (in beast mode) to put out a fire.
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] performs a similar action on [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] by popping off his automobile oil filter in robot mode. Optimus Prime claims that 'Bee is just "lubricating" him. Presumably, this action was inspired from witnessing a [[Mojo|similar incident]].

===Intoxication===
* In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] episode "[[Microbots]]", the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] behaving in a noticeably intoxicated fashion after consuming high-grade [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] refers to this as "over-energizing".
* In the UK comic, the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] frequent a "bar" on Cybertron called [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where they consume high-grade energon, presumably for the purposes of getting intoxicated. [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing]] pay a visit to this establishment in a later story, and get so hammered that they don't even notice [[Quickswitch]] fighting with some [[Mecannibal]]s.
* In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] gets "drunk" on numerous occasions.
* In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, [[Lio Convoy]] gets drunk once and messes up [[Apache]]'s room.
* The [[Constructicon (Animated) |Constructicons]] in ''Animated'', whose personalities are shout-outs to construction worker stereotypes, seem to drink oil the way humans drink beer. However, they never actually get drunk.

===Miscellaneous===
[[Image:AutoBerserk OptimusPrime closedeyes.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Oh, my eyes!!]]
[[Image:Cigarchomping.jpg|right|125px|thumb|Bet it's imported from Cubatron.]]
* In the episode "[[Auto Berserk]]", Optimus Prime's eyes are closed (apparently to shield them against the smoke) much like a human's when the Autobots stagger out of the fire and smoke of the Negavator's destruction.

* [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] once gets a cold, causing him to cough and have a fever, in an issue of the [[Victory (manga)|''Victory'' manga]]. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}

* [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] got a bump on his head after being hit by Deathsaurus with a staff when they were young boys. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}

* [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] chomps on a sparkplug-like object like it's a [[cigar]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5}}

*[[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]] has bandages wrapped around his middle after Sari is knocked out and the Autobots return to their base. {{storylink|TransWarped}}
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==Body parts==
===Teeth/tongues/eyeballs/eyelashes===
* The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon series]] is the only major piece of fiction to ''not'' present Transformers as possessing [[teeth]] and/or [[Tongue|tongues]]. The features appear in both the [[Marvel]] and [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comics, ''[[The Battlestars]]'' manga, the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' animated series (where teeth would even be knocked out on occasion), the ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' cartoon, and the [[Unicron Trilogy]] cartoons and comics.

*There is a teardrop on young [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'s face after being beaten by Deathsaurus.

*[[Lyzack]] sports some pretty heavy-duty eyelashes for her brief appearance in the ''[[Victory (manga)|Victory]]'' manga. So does [[Esmeral]]. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}

*One of the most prevalent examples of this tradition is the [[Kiss Players (manga)|''Kiss Players'' manga]], in which a [[Legion]] character is equipped with a distinctive prehensile (and phallic) tongue.

*In [[Spotlight: Hot Rod]], Hot Rod is shown to have what appears to be blast shields for his optics when he passes out after landing. Dealer's optics are mostly covered by his eyelids, so he looks half-passed out. ''Per an email query to IDW, their response is that Transformers do not have eyelids, that it's just artistic license.''

*The robots in the [[live-action film series]] have eyes designed to resemble cameras, enabling them to dilate and blink. The more human-like the robot, the more they are likely to have teeth. In the case of, say, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], his teeth are mechanical cubes overlaid on each other, while [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] has bona fide fangs. Optimus spits out a piece of his shattered faceplate in the second film, which is intended to resemble a boxer spitting out a tooth after a brutal match. ''{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}''

<center><gallery>
Image:Esmeryl-manga.jpg
Image:LyzackEyelashes01.jpg|About 15 gallons of mascara for those things.
Image:HotRodOpticShields.jpg|Hey, wake up!
Image:Dealerseyelids.jpg|Got munchies?
</gallery></center>

===Facial hair===
{{Main|Facial hair}}

* [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Unicron]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] all sport "facial hair" in the G1 cartoon. In addition to that, ''Energon''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]], the films' Optimus (who has a goatee), [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] and ''Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]], [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]], and [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|the other Wreck-Gar]] all have varying amounts of facial hair. (The last of these was modeled after [["Weird Al" Yankovic|his voice actor's]] own, prior to his appearance's overhaul.)

===Obesity===
Although Transformers come in all shapes and sizes anyway, some characters have particularly round appearances that suggest something equivalent to human obesity.

* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] is virtually as wide as he is tall and is depicted as extremely round, with very short, stubby legs. It gives him more than a passing resemblance to a heavily obese person, or at best one of those huge, flabby, off-season wrestlers.
* Much the same could be said of [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. Being big-chassised is no excuse to let yourself go.
* [[Ratchet (Animated)|''Animated'' Ratchet]] has a prominent gut that resembles a human paunch. Although ordinarily this might be considered merely a feature of his transformation scheme (ala [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]), he is specifically designed to be a crotchety "old man" character, and in flashback sequences to his younger days in the Great War, he notably ''lacks'' said paunch.
* [[Gnaw]]. Well, all the [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]], really, but seriously. It's kind of comically appropriate that the robots which do absolutely nothing but hang out and eat stuff all day are so roly-poly.

===Feminine Characteristics===
[[Image:TM2 Blackarachnia.jpg|right|230px|thumb|I'd tap it like the fist of an angry god.]]
There are several instances of female transformers whose bodies are designed with the explicit similarity to stereotypical human females. While this generally includes a more slender build (particularly a narrow waist) it also sometimes includes other characteristics which suggest a degree of gender dimorphism similar to organic races, although the purpose of this is unclear.

Note, however, that there are [[Strika (BM)|certainly]] some [[Glyph (G1)|exceptions]] to [[Road Rage|this]].

''The real-world explanation to most of these exceptions are [[redecos]] of originally male toys.''

====Breasts====
Some female Transformers, such as [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Elita One]] (not to mention the ''other'' [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]]) have a protruding chest area that bears no apparent relation to their alt mode [[kibble]], but bears some vague resemblance to clothed human breasts, or a "monoboob", if you will. Some females even have two separate and even more distinctly rounded breast-like protuberances, particularly in their fictional depictions. [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Antagony]] and [[Beta]] all fall into this category. One, [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)| Thunderblast]], even has [[:Image:ThunderblastBoobsAndNipples01.jpg|visible nipples]]. ''(You're going to look, aren't you...?)''

====Lips====
[[Image:G1 Silverbolt cartoon.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Though not female, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s got <s>sexy</s> nice lips.]]
Another common feature to denote gender in some female Transfomers (mostly only in the fiction) is distinctly fuller, plumper lips than is standard, such as Blackarachnia's in ''Beast Wars''. Sometimes, however, they will additionally have red or otherwise different/darker colouration to their lips, with an evident similarity to human lipstick. Such paint-mouthed hussybots include Blackarachnia in ''Beast Machines'', her [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|''Animated'' cousin]], and most [[Female Autobots|G1 Female Autobots]].

====Hips====
[[Image:SpacePirates Arcee Bunsofsteel.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Dan Reed, you perv.]]

:''See also the '''[[Humanization#Sexuality|Sexuality]]''' section below and the articles '''[[Female Transformer]]''' and '''[[Reproduction]]'''

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===Questionable body parts===
[[Image:Powerglide heart.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Not [[Wikipedia:Astroboy|Astroboy]], we swear!]]

* Nearly all Transformers seem to possess noses for no discernible functional reason, ''[[Beast Wars]]'' characters and movieverse [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] being exceptions. Movie ([[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] also notes that he can smell [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] when the latter is trying to escape from him.

* At the end of the G1 episode "[[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide]]", [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] is seen to have the LED outline of a cartoon heart within his chassis. This is somewhat nonsensical even within in the context of the show (the contents of Transformers chest cavities had been shown several times before), and is doubtless merely meant as a one-off sight gag.

* Although listed separately above, breasts would also fit under this category quite well, seeing as there doesn't appear to be any use for them on Transformers, other than to show them off.

;Brains
[[Image:PredaBrain1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Predaking: All brawn AND brains!]]

* [[Predaking]] has an organic brain when he is sliced in half in the [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|''Zone'' cartoon]].

* [[Unicron]] also has an organic brain in the G.I. Joe crossover, [[Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2]].

;Nuts and Bolts
* [[Rattrap]] kicks [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] in the groin, causing apparent pain and giving him a high-pitched voice. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}}

* [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] has a pair of dangling wrecking balls in a...very unfortunate place. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Other biological functions==
===Sleep===
* In the G1 comic, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] falls asleep and dreams (or rather, has a nightmare). This goes against established canon for that continuity that Transformers deactivate fully rather than "sleep," a point Ratchet himself makes.
* In the Japanese ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] is able to use a form of hypnotism on the Autobots, which can include lulling them to sleep.
* In the ''[[Generation 2]]'' [[Generation 2 (Marvel Comics)|comic]], Kup attempts to rouse a vision-struck Optimus Prime by urging him to "wake up"—then reminds himself that "we don't sleep!"
* In ''[[Beast Wars]]'', it has been firmly established that (perhaps partially due to their organic components), all Transformers within the cartoon sleep. Some prime examples of this are:
**Megatron has been shown to sleep in the command chair of the ''Darksyde'', while his dino head mounted on the end of his arm stays awake, looks around, and smiles slyly. Wonder what it thinks about...
** Cheetor has been shown asleep at many points, complete with (occasionally prophetic) dreams. In "[[Feral Scream Part 2]]", he also purrs when he's asleep. How cute!
** In "[[Call of the Wild]]", the Maximals are kept awake for two days by the Predacons' non-stop attacks on their base, which exacerbate their beast instincts overriding their logic circuits.
* In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] often nods off in a narcoleptic-like fashion.
* In the ''Beast Wars II'' manga, Lio Convoy sleeps and has a nightmare at one point.
* ''Armada'' [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] is quite fond of catching forty winks when possible. [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] does the same on one occasion. Armada Megatron is also seen asleep twice in the episode "Rebellion".
* ''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] enters a form of sleep he calls a "stasis nap", during which he gets several parking tickets. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!|Transform and Roll Out!}}

===Aging===
Some Transformers have been depicted as aging.

* [[Image:Alpha Trion through the epochs.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]][[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] has been depicted in three different eras: 11 million years in the past, 9 million years in the past, and the present day. Though his [[character model]] undergoes many changes, his facial hair changes seem to mimic human aging. In his (chronologically) earliest depiction, he has a small black mustache. In his second depiction, his mustache has turned white. By the modern era, he sports a long mustache and beard.

[[Image:MangaYoungDeathyStarSaber.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Young and Innocent]]
* [[Emirate Xaaron]] couldn't transform anymore because he was old.

* In an issue of the Marvel UK G1 comics, Kup's systems are going to shut down because he is too old.

* [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] and [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] are depicted as "child" Transformers, complete with childlike temperaments, in flashbacks. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}

*Movieverse [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] has a cane and is rusting.

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===Sexuality===
One of the most controversial aspects of Transformers is the idea of sexuality. While it is established in most continuities that Transformers do not reproduce sexually, most continuities nonetheless have distinctive male and [[Female Transformer|female characters]].

[[Image:Sideburnhearts.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Sorry, Side Burn, I don't think Wedge rolls that way.]]
The G1 cartoon brought the first official female Transformers into the canon, including [[Elita One]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The characters are noticeably more feminine in design and some have clearly defined romantic relationships with male Autobots.

The issue becomes more complicated in ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', where the sexuality line is clearly defined. ([[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] has a particularly well defined female figure, including what appears to be an ample bosom) It is hinted on occasion that the robots may engage in activities resembling human sex acts. Rattrap offers to take [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] to what sounds like a Cybertonian version of a strip club, and later slyly makes a double entendre regarding Silverbolt's suspected kinky activities with Predacon Blackarachnia. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} In the Japanese ''[[Beast Wars Metals (franchise)|Metals]]'' dub, Rattrap, thinking himself about to be stabbed by Dinobot, asks him to "be gentle, because I've heard the first time can hurt."

In the original Japanese version of ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'', [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] displays romantic interest in [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]], causing his comrades to regard him with minor confusion. The ''Energon'' dub seemed to do its best to skirt around this issue, with Mirage's exclamations either being about different things entirely or simple cheering on of his leader—but they couldn't do anything about the hands-clasped-beside-his-head-while-doe-eyed expressions, or the one time that he pirouettes and strikes a pose while surrounded by a giant, glowing, pink heart. ''Why'', Japan?

==Accents==
{{Main|Accents}}

==See also==
* [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]
* [[Robot-fleshling romance]]
* [[Reproduction]]
* [[Relatives]]

[[Category:Transformer anatomy]]

Talk:Megatron (Movie)

2009-06-28T21:03:55Z

(Undecided): /* Triple Changer in ROTF? */

== Human Name jokes ==

We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.

== Megatron's Cybertronian form ==

Has anyone else noticed that Megatron's vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the ''Swordfish'', the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in ''Cowboy BeBop''? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The only difference is it's A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.

:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn't exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a 'mono-racer' from Bebop at least.

::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:I actually found it looked like [[Megatron (RID)|the other megatrons`]] jet mode.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I see it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Earth Mode ==

According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we're not including that "info". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie's game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we'll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie. I'd say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it's still not confirmed. [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::From the book media I've perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all. There's other things I saw, but I shan't go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then. [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::Which book? Sounds interesting. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow. The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc. Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side. He ain't Brawl. All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores. (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can't seem to edit pages when I'm logged in.) [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Sibling status==
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true. :)
: FOr what it's worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there's at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: The DS game says so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it's not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it's going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==*More* Misassemblies==

Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it's his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Geeeeez, you're right. Is there anything assembled ''right'' on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I'm not seeing it.
:::It's most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don't look at 'pics' of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. >.> [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==

I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It'll probebly bring him back to life at least
:I don't deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs's revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won't become Galvatron.

== Marinas Trench ==

I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench. To that end, using "Marinas Trench" doesn't seem exactly right to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to quite decipher what he DID call it. Was anybody else? And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:Keller says "Laurentian Trench," which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest. He also says it's the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas. So, a fact-finding flub. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean. (seriously, it's entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Either that, or Michael bay didn't do his homework.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Or Maybe in their Dimension, it IS the deepest? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 11:59, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

=="The Head Wars"==

the one present right now is a little blurry, wouldn't that one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, because that one doesn't have the right head. We replaced the one you suggested with the current version. (Blurry? It's a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
::Um, yes it does. The Current one has the wrong head. Screencap comparison coming momentarily. Please stand by. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::There is no more-current render to move to. There is a much older, outdated one that ''somebody'' keeps reverting to, but the one we currently use is practically the one used in the movie, if not the very same. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not the same. The top of the head in the final version is different. [[:Image:MegHeads.jpg|Here. ''Now'' tell me I'm wrong.]][[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 20:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:The head we currently have is way way way way way way closer than the alternative. Find us a full-body render that's a better alternative, and we'll switch them out, but there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg GUIGUI's] ''is'' the accurate head. It's just got blue eyes. But considering the eyes of some movie images on the wiki aren't even glowing ''at all'' I don't think that should be an issue.
:::Don't answer me with another block. ''Please.'' I'm just trying to help the wiki. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::That is so totally not the final Megatron. This render showed up months before the one we're currently using, and they hadn't even finished texturing the model. Please drop the issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now I'm confused. Is the body wrong on [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg that one] or something? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 17:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's just shaded wrong(no shadows), and his torso is not completely "filled" with metal.-the preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]]
::That doesn't seem like a good excuse. And please sign your posts. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 15:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I looked at the image again, and it does look a bit odd. But not very much. I suggest a poll/survey of the admins to decide who thinks it should be Meg's main pic, as the torso bit is the only problem. It won't be visible in thumbnail format anyhow. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::The Megatron model has two heads, a standard head and the battle head. The final promotional render with all the completed surface detail, which we are using, uses the standard head. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Admins, please put "Yes" after your name if you think the current image should be changed to [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg this one], or "No" if you think it should stay as-is.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The current poll:

[[User:ItsWalky]]: He hasn't officially voted yet, but it seems as though his answer will be '''"No."'''

[[User:Steve-o]]:Insert vote here

[[User:Suki Brits]]:I think she says '''"No,"''' too.

[[User:Chris McFeely]]:Insert vote here

:If I missed an admin, please notify them and add them here. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::you know, the admins aren't the only ones who have a say in this. And given that the model in the current image is almost if not completely identical to the one used in the movie it should be left as is. IMO, your argument is kinda like saying we need a new main image for [[Optimus Primal]] because it has a mouth doesn't have a full faceplate like the final model, even though the final model had both "mouth" and "faceplate" versions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we can't poll ''everyone''. I'm relatively new, lucky enough to have found the admins listed somewhere. I wouldn't know who else to ask. And That Primal thing does not make sense. I ''know'' he had a mouth ''and'' a [[mouthplate]]. I'm saying the current image has the '''''wrong head''''', and it should be fixed. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::This is bordering on farce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed. If Inferno's Queen does not immediately drop the matter, I will get rid of her for refusing to stop wasting all of our time and polluting the Recent changes page with this retarded personal gripe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::<big>'''I'''</big>

:::::<big>'''AM'''</big>

:::::<big>'''A'''</big>

:::::<big>'''GUY!'''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:Inferno's Queen, it's like I said on the image's talk page: we don't have a full body shot of Megatron's final design, so we're going with the most accurate one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

After the poll is completed, this will end. Deal?[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:...you don't get to dictate policy to admins.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's not quite true. If she keeps this up, she'll likely dictate a permaban on herself :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine already! I'll leave the issue alone if you stop calling me a girl!
:::<big>'''''I AM A GUY!!!'''''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 12:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, dude, is this all you've got to offer?! This is such an incredibly minor issue that it's nowhere worth the amount of discussion that has already gone on about it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is mind-blowingly petty. I don't feel the need to express any opinion on the matter, it's pretty damn clear what the consensus is. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== video game info ==

should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

==Weapon names==
The article currently contains the current text in its movie summary: "Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should die with them, forming his fusion cannon. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his ion blaster and fired, hitting Megatron." Do we have any reason/justification for referring to those weapons so specifically as a fusion cannon and ion blaster? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:In the trivia section of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]'s article, it's called an ion blaster. As for the fusion cannon...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::Doesn't Leader Megatron's toy packaging say "Arms combine to form fusion cannon!" or something along those lines? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Answering my own question by looking up DVD's review, yes it does. And the product listing at Hasbro.com says: "Robot mode also features a launching rocket claw that becomes a chain whip, and arms that combine to create a fusion cannon!" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

==Language==
According to the Circuit City voice featurette, the producers made up an alien language (or Hugo Weaving did, the wording is vague), and Weaving is shown speaking in it as Megatron. Did this make it into the final film? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:There *is* a Cybertronian language spoken by several characters (Frenzy most notably, I guess, plus Starscream, and actually 'every' Decepticon during the call-up scene) but nobody really knows if it's just jibberish with a flanger on or something. That, and Megs 'never' speaks Cybertronian in the movie, so this makes it even stranger. The idea behind the Cybertronians speaking a different language isn't Weaving's, however, because that was in the leaked script that came out long before Weaving was cast. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 23:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

==Encased in ice at the bottom of the ocean?==
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no ice at the bottom of the ocean. Ice is less dense than water so any particles cold enough to freeze float above those who aren't cold enough. (Contrary to normal laws of convection; ice is weird like that) so Megatron and the Decepticons wouldn't be icy at all. Just really cold and crushed under immense water pressure.

==Megu said ''what''?==
When Megu arrives in Mission City, he says two sentences. Just when he lands, he says something that I heard as "Let me play!" But what did he say after that? Because, the article says that Megu again declared his name when arriving in M City, but he didn't sound like that. Will someone clarify what exactly he said? StarShade 09:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

==Premium==
Does anyone know if the premium series leader Megatron has corrected the assembly errors?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Screen Grabs==
Well since the trailer has been offically released, and Megatron has a few good clear shots in it, can we post a pic or two under ROTF? Mainly the one where he apparently comes out of the water, which appears to be the best looking shot. Just a sugestion.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

==Triple Changer in ROTF?==
Now, I'm terribly sorry I don't have more info than this, but I was at the mall w/ my GF and picked up a guide to ROTF. Most of the info seemed pretty modern and accurate (things like Jetfire being a seeker and such) and they said that upon his revival, Megatron had become a triple-changer, able to take both modes. I don't know the name of it although... nope, can't find it on Amazon. Can someone else comment on this matter? Has anything been shown to support this or has anyone else seen this guide? The store owner said it was just put out that day, so this may be new. IDK. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 20:57, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:This is correct. In the adaptation he assumes both alt-forms.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:18, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::In the adaptations he never really "becomes" a triple-changer. At least they don't mention that he ever gains the ability. He just shown to be able to transform into three modes. I'm not sure if we are supposed to believe he always had the ability but didn't have an occasion to turn into a tank before or what. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Having bought the book now, I can confirm that it says Megatron's status as a triple-changer is the result of his revival, and that it is fairly rare amongst Cybertronians.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:19, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Slight problem. In the novels and what not, he is distinctly described as retaining his jet mode. In the actual film, all scenes where he uses the jet, well, lack it [[User:Eire]]
::::Not really a problem. Adaptations have been mismatched before, and as long as ''one'' source calls him a a triple-changer, in those exact words, it's valid. We don't really need to reconcile the adaptations. That's not our job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:39, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::From what I remember in the movie you never get a clear look at his flight mode, just the blue glow of his afterburners in the distance. He definitely has a tank mode, but I couldn't tell whether his flight mode is just the tank with the jet engines turned on or a separate vehicle mode, or the tank with wings... Heck it could be a giant flying lunchbox for all I could see. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 17:03, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== G1 homage, anyone? ==
His head has a helmet-like portion very similar to the helmet-like section of G1 Megatron's head. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:15, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:Not really.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Mode flight ==

Is that a new ability? I don't seem to recall him being able to just fly around in the first movie, but it has been a while since I've seen it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

: Do you mean when he lands on the skyscraper, or was there another instance? I figured that he was just continuing on the momentum when he popped out of flying tank mode. How do his jet engines configure in robot mode, maybe they helped? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:23, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::I was going by memory of the movie. Of course Megatron and the other Decepticons swam up from the abyss. That is multi-ton metal robots swimming to the surface. That is almost flying. Then when they got to open air, I seem to remember them just flying away in robot-mode, but I can't say for certain without seeing it again. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:This Is Why I Hate Machines

2009-05-09T23:25:14Z

(Undecided):

Really? Sentinel is supposedly emulating Bush in this episode, and not Nixon or McCarthy or some such?

''Really''?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

:He's imitating both, but the note at the end of the episode about making tough choices to protect, would do it again etc... was Bush. Neither Nixon nor McCarthy ever ''made'' those kinds of decisions-- even Nixon just inherited Vietnam, he never ran a fist strike. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::Granted, I missed the first five minutes of the episode, so I only saw the stuff after Sentinel first saw Omega (so if he led some kind of preemptive strike on the Decepticon colonies, I missed it). But honestly, if his behavior in this episode is even meant to ''be'' a parallel, one to Bush is...rather flimsy. I mean, I dislike Bush and all, but I still don't remember him ever even trying to imprison political dissidents, no matter how much some said he would - even after they started outright vandalism and destruction of property. Plus, he didn't launch any "first strike" without congressional approval - and a big bit of this episode was Sentinel deciding to mobilize everything on his own. Hell, [[wikipedia:John Tyler#Presidency 1841–1845|John Tyler]] looks like it would fit better, such as how he achieved the presidency and Congress' response to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:31, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:::If you ask me Sentinel is channeling the worst aspects of every generic, well meaning, incompetent and near-tyrannical leader of a free-nation. He doesn't seem like he's imitating anyone specific, his actions read more like a generic list of "what not to do" than a deliberate parody. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 19:25, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Saur/Zaur ==

Since our article for Saur currently lives at "Saur," I've cleared out all the links to 'Zaur.' We can place the animated Article there with no conflicts.

(This might change, since IMO the official spelling of Zaur ''should'' count as an official spelling for the G1 'bot's name as well, but we can stick the Animated 'bot's article at "Zaur" (Wyatt's spelling) while we debate that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:02, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Capitalization ==

Shouldn't this page be at [[This is Why I Hate Machines]], not [[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]?--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 14:03, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:I had the same thought, but I'm not sure. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:06, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
: "Is" is a verb. Verbs are capitalized in titles. It is only short prepositions which are uncapitalized. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::I see... it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Fuckity. It's not like me to forget that "is" is a verb.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 16:13, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::Short prepositions (the general limit seems to be four letters) and conjunctions. (Hence, title capitalization that seem weird to some, like "[[The House that Wheeljack Built!]]" The "that" in that phrase is actually a conjunction.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:33, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

==Continuity error==
Your continuity error isnt one.
Starscream states that Megatron managed to unlock the transformation of Omega supreme and to control the transwarp system, but not the weapons.

A true continuity error lies in the fact that when Omega transwarps at the end of the episode its in robot mode, and then it comes out of transwarp in ship mode. {{unsigned|85.247.43.111|17:34, 9 May 2009}}

:Yup, all Starscream does is complain about not having control over Omega's weapons, though it's Lugnut who says that Megatron regained control of Omega's transformation and transwarping, not Starscream. Also it looks like the Decepticons took Omega back to Earth at the end of the episode and considering that it took multiple transwarp jumps to reach Cyberton in ''Transwarped'', I don't think it's a continuity error for Omega to be in vehicle mode. The 'Cons would have had time to transform him off-screen. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 19:08, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Talk:This Is Why I Hate Machines

2009-05-09T23:13:57Z

(Undecided): /* Continuity error */

Really? Sentinel is supposedly emulating Bush in this episode, and not Nixon or McCarthy or some such?

''Really''?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

:He's imitating both, but the note at the end of the episode about making tough choices to protect, would do it again etc... was Bush. Neither Nixon nor McCarthy ever ''made'' those kinds of decisions-- even Nixon just inherited Vietnam, he never ran a fist strike. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::Granted, I missed the first five minutes of the episode, so I only saw the stuff after Sentinel first saw Omega (so if he led some kind of preemptive strike on the Decepticon colonies, I missed it). But honestly, if his behavior in this episode is even meant to ''be'' a parallel, one to Bush is...rather flimsy. I mean, I dislike Bush and all, but I still don't remember him ever even trying to imprison political dissidents, no matter how much some said he would - even after they started outright vandalism and destruction of property. Plus, he didn't launch any "first strike" without congressional approval - and a big bit of this episode was Sentinel deciding to mobilize everything on his own. Hell, [[wikipedia:John Tyler#Presidency 1841–1845|John Tyler]] looks like it would fit better, such as how he achieved the presidency and Congress' response to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:31, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Saur/Zaur ==

Since our article for Saur currently lives at "Saur," I've cleared out all the links to 'Zaur.' We can place the animated Article there with no conflicts.

(This might change, since IMO the official spelling of Zaur ''should'' count as an official spelling for the G1 'bot's name as well, but we can stick the Animated 'bot's article at "Zaur" (Wyatt's spelling) while we debate that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:02, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Capitalization ==

Shouldn't this page be at [[This is Why I Hate Machines]], not [[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]?--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 14:03, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:I had the same thought, but I'm not sure. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:06, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
: "Is" is a verb. Verbs are capitalized in titles. It is only short prepositions which are uncapitalized. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::I see... it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Fuckity. It's not like me to forget that "is" is a verb.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 16:13, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::Short prepositions (the general limit seems to be four letters) and conjunctions. (Hence, title capitalization that seem weird to some, like "[[The House that Wheeljack Built!]]" The "that" in that phrase is actually a conjunction.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:33, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

==Continuity error==
Your continuity error isnt one.
Starscream states that Megatron managed to unlock the transformation of Omega supreme and to control the transwarp system, but not the weapons.

A true continuity error lies in the fact that when Omega transwarps at the end of the episode its in robot mode, and then it comes out of transwarp in ship mode. {{unsigned|85.247.43.111|17:34, 9 May 2009}}

:Yup, all Starscream does is complain about not having control over Omega's weapons, though it's Lugnut who says that Megatron regained control of Omega's transformation and transwarping, not Starscream. Also it looks like the Decepticons took Omega back to Earth at the end of the episode and considering that it took multiple transwarp jumps to reach Cyberton in ''Transwarped'', I don't think it's a continuity error for Omega to be in vehicle mode. The 'Cons would have had time to transform him off-screen. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 19:08, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Talk:This Is Why I Hate Machines

2009-05-09T23:08:27Z

(Undecided): /* Continuity error */

Really? Sentinel is supposedly emulating Bush in this episode, and not Nixon or McCarthy or some such?

''Really''?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

:He's imitating both, but the note at the end of the episode about making tough choices to protect, would do it again etc... was Bush. Neither Nixon nor McCarthy ever ''made'' those kinds of decisions-- even Nixon just inherited Vietnam, he never ran a fist strike. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:43, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::Granted, I missed the first five minutes of the episode, so I only saw the stuff after Sentinel first saw Omega (so if he led some kind of preemptive strike on the Decepticon colonies, I missed it). But honestly, if his behavior in this episode is even meant to ''be'' a parallel, one to Bush is...rather flimsy. I mean, I dislike Bush and all, but I still don't remember him ever even trying to imprison political dissidents, no matter how much some said he would - even after they started outright vandalism and destruction of property. Plus, he didn't launch any "first strike" without congressional approval - and a big bit of this episode was Sentinel deciding to mobilize everything on his own. Hell, [[wikipedia:John Tyler#Presidency 1841–1845|John Tyler]] looks like it would fit better, such as how he achieved the presidency and Congress' response to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:31, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Saur/Zaur ==

Since our article for Saur currently lives at "Saur," I've cleared out all the links to 'Zaur.' We can place the animated Article there with no conflicts.

(This might change, since IMO the official spelling of Zaur ''should'' count as an official spelling for the G1 'bot's name as well, but we can stick the Animated 'bot's article at "Zaur" (Wyatt's spelling) while we debate that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:02, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

== Capitalization ==

Shouldn't this page be at [[This is Why I Hate Machines]], not [[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]?--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 14:03, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:I had the same thought, but I'm not sure. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:06, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
: "Is" is a verb. Verbs are capitalized in titles. It is only short prepositions which are uncapitalized. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:11, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::I see... it depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:38, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Fuckity. It's not like me to forget that "is" is a verb.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 16:13, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
::Short prepositions (the general limit seems to be four letters) and conjunctions. (Hence, title capitalization that seem weird to some, like "[[The House that Wheeljack Built!]]" The "that" in that phrase is actually a conjunction.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:33, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

==Continuity error==
Your continuity error isnt one.
Starscream states that Megatron managed to unlock the transformation of Omega supreme and to control the transwarp system, but not the weapons.

A true continuity error lies in the fact that when Omega transwarps at the end of the episode its in robot mode, and then it comes out of transwarp in ship mode. {{unsigned|85.247.43.111|17:34, 9 May 2009}}

:Yup, all Starscream does is complain about not having control over Omega's weapons, though it's Lugnut who says that Megatron regained control of Omega's transformation and transwarping. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 19:08, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

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Transformers (film)

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{{disambig3|Transformers: The Movie}}
:''Transformers is an elaborate cover up in the [[Movie (franchise)|movie]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:Transformers2007teaserposter.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Beyond good. Beyond evil. Beyond your wildest imagination]]

'''''Transformers''''' is a live-action movie released by [[DreamWorks]] in 2007, with Executive Producer [[Steven Spielberg]] and Director [[Michael Bay]]. The story follows the Transformers' arrival on modern-day Earth and their interactions with the human race, as they search for the life-giving [[All Spark]] and continue their ages-old civil war. The movie is a new imagining of the [[Transformers brand]], drawing on past Transformers fiction but also distinct in its own right.

The principal cast members are [[Shia LaBeouf]], [[Jon Voight]], and [[Megan Fox]], with [[Peter Cullen]] and [[Hugo Weaving]] as the voices of the Transformers' iconic leaders. Character designs and visual effects were created by [[Industrial Light and Magic]], the effects-wizards behind the ''[[Star Wars]]'' films.

Originally slated to release in the summer of 2006, the film arrived in US theaters on July 3, 2007, and hit UK theaters on July 27 and French theaters on July 25. It premiered in Australia on June 12, 2007, and was was released there and in a number of Asian countries on June 28, 2007. An extended cut of the film featuring footage not in the original was released to IMAX theatres on September 21, 2007.

==Main cast==

{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] ([[Mark Ryan]])
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] ([[Darius McCrary]])
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] ([[Jimmie Wood]])
*[[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]]* / Devastator
*[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]])
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charles Adler]])

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Tom Banachek]] ([[Michael O'Neill]])
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]])
*[[Bobby Bolivia]] ([[Bernie Mac]])
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]])
*[[John Keller]] ([[Jon Voight]])
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]])
*[[Maggie Madsen]] ([[Rachael Taylor]])
*[[Reggie Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]])
*[[Glen Whitmann]] ([[Anthony Anderson]])
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]])
*[[Ronald Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]])
*[[Samuel James Witwicky|Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]])
|}

<nowiki>* - Brawl is named "Devastator" in the film itself, but "Brawl" in the toyline and all other supporting media. Plot summaries and such will reflect whichever name is relevant to that being described.</nowiki>

==Technical details==
'''Length:''' 144 min (original theatrical)<ref>The movie had some content cuts to meet the standards of some <strike>oppressive regimes</strike> quaint "developing world" rating boards.</ref>

'''Aspect Ratio:''' 2.35:1

'''Audio:''' Dolby Digital / DTS / SDDS

'''Content Rating:'''
{{columnlist|4|
* PG-13 (USA/MPAA)
* ? (Japan)
* 12A (United Kingdom)
* PG (Canada; British Columbia)<ref>''Transformers'' received a "14A" rating in British Columbia, but an appeal by the studio successfully reduced it to PG.</ref>
* G (Canada; Quebec)
* PG (Canada; Alberta/Manitoba/Nova Scotia/Ontario)
* PG (Taiwan)
* IIA (China; Hong Kong)
* PG (Singapore)
* G (Philippines/MTRCB)
* U (France)
* U (Malaysia)
* M (Australia)
* M (New Zealand)
* TE (Chile)
* 10 (Brazil)
* 10M (South Africa)
* 11 (Denmark)
* K-11 (Finland)
* 11 (Norway)
* 11 (Sweden)
* 12 (Germany)
* 12A (Ireland)
* 12 (Netherlands)
* M/12 (Portugal)
* 12 (South Korea)
* 12 (Switzerland)
* 13 (Argentina)
* 14 (Peru)
* 12 (Poland)
}}

==Short synopsis==
[[Image:Prime-Sam-Mikaela-poster.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Megatron must be stopped... no matter the cost.]]

The movie features [[Sam Witwicky]], a plucky teenager who just wants a cool car, but gets more than he bargained for. The beater he and his father take home is actually [[Bumblebee]], an alien robot from the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], who plants Sam down in the middle of a civil war between Bumblebee's benevolent [[Autobot]] comrades and the evil [[Decepticon]]s who threaten the galaxy's peace. Both sides are after the [[All Spark]], a mysterious artifact that landed on Earth ten thousand years ago. The approaching robot-against-robot battle is a coming-of-age moment for Sam, who learns the meaning of his family's motto, "No sacrifice, no victory."

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==Full synopsis==

[[Image:Allspark movie.jpg|thumb|right|200px|With this, I shall make you my slave!]]
The film begins with the history of Cybertron's destruction at the hands of Megatron, and his quest to obtain the All Spark. Megatron discovers the All Spark on Earth, but crash-lands in the Arctic Circle, becoming frozen in the ice. Captain Archibald Witwicky and his crew of explorers stumble upon Megatron's body in the late 19th century. Megatron's navigational system is unintentionally activated, and Archibald's eye glasses are imprinted with the coordinates to the All Spark's location. Sector Seven, a secret organization of the United States government, discovers the All Spark and builds the Hoover Dam around it to mask its energy signal. The still-frozen Megatron is moved into this facility, and is reverse engineered to further advance human technology.

[[Image:Movie Blackout SOCCENT.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Let the slaughter begin!]]
In the present day, the rest of the Decepticons — Blackout, Scorponok, Frenzy, Barricade, Starscream, Bonecrusher, and Devastator — have already landed on Earth and assumed the disguise of Earth vehicles. Blackout and Scorponok attack the U.S. SOCCENT Forward Operations Base in Qatar in an effort to use the military database to discover the location of Megatron and the All Spark, but they do not succeed. A small group of survivors under Captain William Lennox wander through the desert and are followed by Scorponok. The Autonomous Robotic Organism (shortened to "Autobot") known as Bumblebee is also on Earth, disguised as a 1977 Chevrolet Camaro, and looking for Sam Witwicky, the descendant of Captain Archibald Witwicky. As soon as he locates Sam, the two quickly begin to bond as Bumblebee helps Sam try and woo his crush, Mikaela Banes. Sam is unaware of the fact that Bumblebee is an alien, until he witnesses Bumblebee transform and send out a homing signal for the rest of the Autobots.

[[Image:Movie_Scorponok_leapsout.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Run, Blaster! Save yourself!]]
At the Pentagon, Defense Secretary John Keller oversees the investigation into the attack in Qatar. After Blackout's failure, Frenzy infiltrates Air Force One and attempts to download the all information relating to "Project Iceman". However, Maggie Madsen, one of the technicians studying the Decepticon infiltration signal, discovers Frenzy's actions and convinces the Pentagon to take down the Defense Network, halting Frenzy's download. When Air Force One makes an emergency landing, Frenzy slips into Barricade, and discusses his discovery of Archibald Witwicky, who has seen [[Cybertronian languages|their language]]. Using an internet search, they discover that Sam's glasses will that will lead the Decepticons to the All Spark. Frenzy and Barricade begin tracking Sam's location. Back in Qatar, the army rangers are attacked by Scorponok, who take refugee in a nearby village. Calling the Pentagon and getting air support, they discover that the Decepticons are vulnerable to high heat weaponry such as sabot rounds. Using this information, the soldiers inform the Pentagon that they now have a weapon.

[[Image:Movie Autobots.JPG|thumb|200px|left|Wheelie say find friends today.]]
Barricade confronts Sam, demanding Archibald's glasses. Bumblebee, who is following Sam, transforms and battles Barricade. Mikaela, who is also following Sam, is caught in the crossfire, but Bumblebee is able to defeat Barricade, while Mikaela decapitates Frenzy, who is still functioning and hides in Mikaela's purse as her cellphone. Bumblebee takes Sam and Mikaela to rendezvous with the rest of the Autobots. The Autobots—Optimus Prime, Jazz, Ironhide, and Ratchet—land on Earth and take on the forms of several Earth vehicles. They all meet in a dark, secluded alley, transform in front of the two amazed humans, introduce themselves and tell of the reasons they had to come to Earth to Sam and Mikaela. Meanwhile, Maggie made a copy of the intrusion signal and shows it to her friend Glenn Whitmann, who discovers a message with the signal about Sector Seven, Captain Witwicky, and Project Iceman. However, the FBI arrest Glenn and Maggie, who desperately tries to convince them not to go to war with the wrong country.

[[Image:Movie Autobots Sector Seven.JPG|right|thumb|200px|I'll use the universal greeting.]]
Sam, Mikaela, and the Autobots then return to Sam's home to retrieve the glasses. However, agents from [[Sector Seven]] arrive to take Sam and Mikaela into custody. Reggie Simmons, the agency's director, reveals that Mikaela has a criminal record and threatens Sam with life imprisonment, at which point the Autobots disable the convoy and rescue the teens. During the retreat, Sam and Mikaela are recaptured, and Bumblebee is also apprehended, against the pleas of Sam who assures the agents—to no avail—that he means them no harm. Prime orders the Autobots to let them go, unwilling to use deadly force against the humans. At the Pentagon, a virus Frenzy uploaded during the Air Force One hack causes a global communications blackout, while Keller is finally informed of the Decepticons. After Bumblebee's capture, Optimus uses the glasses locate the All Spark at Hoover Dam, and declares that if they cannot defeat the Decepticons, he will merge the Cube with his spark.

[[Image:Movie Optimus Megatron.JPG|thumb|left|200px|One shall stand. One shall fall.]]
Sam, Mikaela, Keller, Maggie, Glenn, and Lennox's unit are brought to Hoover Dam, where they are shown the frozen Megatron and the All Spark, while Frenzy slips away. Locating the All Spark, he sends out an alert to Starscream, who mobilizes the the rest of the Decepticons. Due to Starscream's attack and Frenzy's sabotage, Megatron begins to revive, and Sam convinces the Sector Seven agents to release Bumblebee so that he can get the All Spark to Optimus Prime. The Decepticons chase the Autobots, who now possess the All Spark, into Mission City.

Glenn, Maggie, Keller, and Simmons manage to contact the Air Force and direct F22s to Mission City. An ensuing battle results in casualties for both sides, including Jazz, who is killed by Megatron, while Bumblebee is crippled in an explosion. As Lennox orders Sam to take the All Spark to a building to be removed from the city, under escort from Ironhide and Ratchet, Megatron and Optimus Prime battle, while the soldiers remain to fight Devastator. Mikaela drags the injured Bumlebee away from the battle with a tow truck, but goes back, with Bumblebee's weapons killing Devastator. Ironhide and Ratchet are incapacitated by Starscream, and Megatron joins the pursuit.

[[Image:Megatron allspark merge.JPG|right|thumb|200px|Now, light our darkest hour!]]
Sam's helicopter is destroyed by Starscream, and Prime challenges Megatron. The battle is fierce and dominated by Megatron. Blackout attempts to assist Megatron, but is killed by Lennox and the Air Force before he can engage. Starscream hides among a raptor squadron, destroying three fighters. Despite this, the Air Force and Lennox's rangers manage to inflict serious damage on Megatron, but he is still functional, and heading toward the Cube. Finally, with both Prime and Megatron weakened, Prime beckons Sam to shove the All Spark into his chest, destroying them both, but Sam instead takes the riskier action of shoving the All Spark into Megatron's chest.

{{Note|For an extensive synopsis of the battle, see separate article [[Mission City]].}}

[[Image:Movie Optimus ending.JPG|left|thumb|200px|[['Til all are one]]!]]
Optimus thanks Sam for his courage and for saving his life, while Bumblebee, who has regained his voice, asks permission to remain with Sam, which is granted. In an attempt to cover up the existence of the Transformers, Sector Seven is disbanded, while the remains of the Decepticons are cast into the Laurentian Abyss. And though Megatron is dead, the All Spark's destruction leaves the Autobots unable to restore Cybertron. With no other home to go to, the Autobots decide to stay on Earth, and Optimus sends out a signal across space in an effort to locate any surviving Autobots, while Sam and Mikaela begin a relationship. Starscream, one of the Decepticons that survived the battle, leaves Earth.

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==Quotes==
"Before time began, there was the Cube. We know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That was how our race was born. For a time, we lived in harmony, but like all great power, some wanted it for good, others for evil. And so began the war - a war that ravaged our planet until it was consumed by death, and the Cube was lost to the far reaches of space. We scattered across the galaxy, hoping to find it and rebuild our home, searching every star, every world. And just when all hope seemed lost, message of a new discovery drew us to an unknown planet called... Earth. But we were already too late."
:—'''Optimus Prime's''' opening narration

"Look, can you do me a favor—can you look out the window for a second? See my father? He's the guy in the green car? Let me tell you about a dream, a boy's dream, and a man's promise to that boy. He looked him in the eye and said "Son, I' gonna buy you a car, but I want you to bring me two-thousand dollars and three A's." OK, I got the two thousand and two A's. OK, here's the dream. Your B minus? Pfff! Dream gone. Kaput. Sir, just ask yourself...what would Jesus do?"''
:—'''Sam Witwicky''' negotiates a better mark for his Family Genealogy project

'''Bobby Bolivia:''' "What with the semi-classic nature of the vehicle, slick wheels and custom paint job—" 
'''Sam:''' "The paint's faded!" 
'''Bobby:''' "Y-yeah, but it's custom." 
'''Sam:''' "It's custom faded?" 
'''Bobby:''' "Well, it's your first car, I wouldn't expect you to understand." ''Turns to Ron'' "Five grand." 
'''Ron:''' "No, not paying over four. Sorry." 
'''Bobby:''' ''Turns back to Sam'' "Kid, c'mon, get out, get out of the car." 
'''Sam:''' "No, no, no, you said cars pick their drivers!" 
'''Bobby:''' "Well sometimes they pick a driver with a cheap-ass father—out of the car." 
:—Negotiations over [[Bumblebee (Movie)|the car]] at Bolivia's Finest Quality Used Cars and Petting Zoo

''Sam's car leaves in a puff of black smoke'' 
"Wow...you are so cheap." 
"It's his first car...supposed to be like that."
:—'''Judy Witwicky''' comments on the car's condition to '''Ron'''

'''Capt. Lennox:''' "I need a credit card! Epps, where's your wallet?" 
'''Sgt. Epps:''' "Pocket!" ''Fires gun'' 
'''Lennox:''' "Which pocket?" 
'''Epps:''' "My ''back'' pocket!" ''Fires gun'' 
'''Lennox:''' "You got ten back pockets!" 
'''Epps:''' "Left cheek! Left cheek! ''Left cheek!''" 
:—Calling the Pentagon from Qatar gets complicated.

"Ready, heat's coming!" 
"What, BRING IT!" 
:—'''Lennox''' and '''Epps''' giving the green light for Strike Package Bravo to attack

'''Jazz''': "What about Bumblebee? What can't just leave him to die! And become some human experiment!" 
'''Optimus Prime''': He'll die in vain if we don't accomplish our mission. Bumblebee is a brave soldier. This is what he would want. 
'''Ironhide:''' "Why are we fighting to save the humans? They're a primitive and violent race." 
'''Optimus Prime:''' "Were we so different? They are a young species. They have much to learn...but I've seen goodness in them. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.... You all know there is only one way to end this war: We must destroy the Cube. If all else fails, I will unite it with the spark in my chest." 
'''Ratchet:''' "That's suicide! The Cube is raw power—it could destroy you both." 
'''Optimus Prime:''' "A necessary sacrifice to bring peace to this planet.... We cannot let the humans pay for our mistakes. It's been an honor serving with you all. Autobots, roll out!" 
:—The '''Autobots''' discuss their next move.

"Humans don't deserve to live." 
"They deserve to choose for themselves!" 
"Then you will die with them! Join them in extinction!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Optimus Prime''' have some mid-battle banter, Transformers style

"Give me the All Spark, and you may live to be my ''pet''." 
"I'm never giving you this All Spark!" 
"Oh, ''so'' unwise..."
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Sam Witwicky''' have a tense moment on a Mission City rooftop.

"With the All Spark gone, we cannot return life to our planet. And fate has yielded its reward: a new world to call...home. We live among its people now, hiding in plain sight...but watching over them in secret...waiting...protecting. I have witnessed their capacity for courage, and though we are worlds apart, like us, there's more to them than meets the eye. I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to any surviving Autobots taking refuge among the stars: We are here...we are waiting."
:—'''Optimus Prime's''' closing narration

==Production staff==

[[Image:Movie_Castandcrew2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Megatron? Is that you?!]]

* Executive Producer: [[Steven Spielberg]]
* Executive Producer: [[Brian Goldner]]
* Director: [[Michael Bay]]
* Producers: [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]], [[Ian Bryce]], [[Tom DeSanto]], [[Don Murphy]]
* Story by: [[Alex Kurtzman]] & [[Roberto Orci]] and [[John Rogers]],
* Screenwriters: [[Alex Kurtzman]] & [[Roberto Orci]]
* Music by: [[Steve Jablonsky]]

====Visual Effects====
* Visual Effects by: [[Industrial Light and Magic]], [[Digital Domain]]
* Production Designer: [[Jeff Mann]]
* Lead Robot Illustrator: [[Ben Procter]]
* ILM Visual Effects Supervisior: [[Scott Farrar]]
* Art Director: [[Alex Jaeger]]

====Locations Department====
(winners of the California On Location Award[http://www.californiaonlocationawards.com/] for "Production Company / Location Team of the Year for Feature Films")
* Supervising Location Manager: '''Ilt Jones'''
* Location Managers: '''Michael J. Burmeister''', '''Fermín Dávalos''', and '''Emre Sonmez'''
* Key Assistant Location Managers: '''Michael Wesley Aycock''', '''Leann Emmert''', '''Perri Fichtner''', '''Ronald M. Haynes''', '''Jonathan Hook''', '''Kathy McCurdy''', '''Manny Padilla''', '''Lisa Patton''', '''Rob Swenson''', '''Marta Tomkiw''', and '''Scott Trimble'''
* Additional Key Assistant Location Managers: '''Brooks Bonstin''', '''Alexandre Chen''', '''Michael Chickey''', '''Martin J. Cummins'''
* Assistant Location Managers: '''Ces Hardy''' and '''Amanda Harrington'''
* Location Scouts: '''Stuart Raven Barter''', '''Richard Klotz''', '''James Lin''', and '''Keith Nakata'''

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==Other editions==
The 2007 Transformers film has more than one 'cut.'

* The worldwide theatrical release was essentially identical all around the world with a few minor exceptions.
** The film board of Malaysia{{fact}} required [[Judy Witwicky]]'s masturbation reference be removed. However, no such change has been made and her lines were not omitted from the film.
* The [[Wikipedia:IMAX|IMAX]] edition of the movie features two minutes of additional footage in the form of slightly extended scenes and very brief new scenes. Added material includes the following:
**Before heading to the lake party, Sam is shown picking Miles up at his house. Miles derides Sam's choice of car colors.
**After Sam is questioned by the sheriff at the police station, he is given an anti-drug bumper sticker and shown the "[[wikipedia:This is Your Brain on Drugs|This is Your Brain on Drugs]]" [[Public service announcement|PSA]] starring [[wikipedia:Rachel Leigh Cook|Rachel Leigh Cook]].
**After abducting Sam and Mikaela, Agent Simmons uses a device to monitor Sam's pupil dilation while interrogating him in the truck. He also remarks that he has "been there" when it comes to women with criminal records.
**Upon arriving at Hoover Dam, Simmons remarks colorfully that it is "Area 50". A few minutes later, he lists the nicknames of all the U.S. Presidents to have toured the facility.
**In Mission City, Lennox acquires short-range radios from a gun-toting, but easily-flattered, pawn shop owner.

==Prequel material==
* ''[[Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday]]''
: A novel about the truth behind humankind's first venture into space and how that event is related to the Transformers' presence on Earth, both past and present.
* ''[[Prime Directives]]'' (originally published as ''Transformers Movie Prequel'')
: A four issue limited series comic book from [[IDW]] Publishing, released before the movie's debut. It chronicles the events which bring the Transformers to [[Earth]].
* ''[[Transformers Movie Prequel]]''
: A short comic book by IDW, available exclusively from Target, following Bumblebee's early search for clues on Earth.
* ''[[Transformers Movie Prequel volume 2]]''
: A mini-comic by IDW, available exclusively from Target, showing the Decepticons' arrival on Earth.
* ''Transformers Beginnings''
: A not-really-animated animatic version of IDW's Prime Directives prequel comics, voiced by some of the actors from the movie, the game and a bunch of other people. Included in a Wal-Mart 2-Disc exclusive of the Movie DVD.
* ''[[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Transformers]]''
: A monthly comic published in the UK by [[Titan Books]], featuring new adventures set before the movie.

Some dialog in the film contradicts the prequel material, specifically pertaining to the years in which the frozen Megatron was moved from the Arctic to Hoover Dam, and exactly when the Decepticons arrived on Earth.

==Sequels==
{{main|Transformers 2}}

A sequel to this film is in production and is scheduled for release in 2009.

[[IDW Publishing]] is also releasing the comic sequel to the film, titled ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]''.

==Soundtrack==
[[Image:Transformers soundtrack .jpg|thumb|You got the TOUCH! You got the POWAAAAH!]]
On July 3, 2007, Warner Bros Records released a ''Transformers'' soundtrack full of songs from or inspired by the motion picture.

*1. "What I've Done" - [[Linkin Park]]
*2. "Doomsday Clock" - [[Smashing Pumpkins]]
*3. "This Moment" - [[Disturbed]]
*4. "Before It's Too Late (Sam and Mikaela's Theme)" aka "Fiction" - [[Goo Goo Dolls]]
*5. "Pretty Handsome Awkward" - [[The Used]]
*6. "Passion's Killing Floor" - [[HIM]]
*7. "What It Feels Like To Be A Ghost?" - [[Taking Back Sunday]]
*8. "Second To None" - [[Styles Of Beyond]]
*9. "End Of The World" - [[Armor For Sleep]]
*10. "Retina and the Sky" - [[Idiot Pilot]]
*11. "Technical Difficulties" - [[Julien-K]]
*12. "Transformers Theme" - [[MuteMath]]

==Score==
[[Image:Transformersthescore.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Jam that transmission!]]

On October 9, 2007, Warner Bros Records released a ''Transformers'' score featuring the instrumental music composed by [[Steve Jablonsky]].

*1. Autobots
*2. Decepticons
*3. The All Spark
*4. Deciphering The Signal
*5. Frenzy
*6. Optimus
*7. Bumblebee
*8. SOCCENT Attack
*9. Sam At The Lake
*10. Scorponok
*11. Cybertron
*12. Arrival To Earth
*13. Witwicky
*14. Downtown Battle
*15. Sector 7
*16. Bumblebee Captured
*17. You're A Soldier Now
*18. Sam On The Roof
*19. Optimus Vs. Megatron
*20. No Sacrifice, No Victory

The tracks "Optimus Vs. Megatron" and "No Sacrifice, No Victory" were used during various [[wikipedia:New England Patriots|New England Patriots]] promos for [[wikipedia:Super Bowl XLII|Super Bowl XLII]].

==DVD release==
* '''US:''' [http://tformers.com/US-To-Get-Transformers-DVD-HD-DVD-October-16th/8350/news.html October 16th, 2007] (DVD, HD-DVD)
* '''Australia:''' November 1st, 2007 (DVD)
* '''United Kingdom:''' December 3rd, 2007 (DVD,HD-DVD)

There are nearly a dozen store [[exclusive]] [http://tformers.com/Transformers-DVD-Exclusives-Who-Gets-What/8534/news.html versions and sales premiums of the DVD.] They include:
* Target and HMV UK: transforming Optimus Prime display case.
* Best Buy: [[Robot Heroes]] [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] and battle-damaged Optimus Prime.
* Wal-Mart: [[Transformers: Beginnings]] "animated" prequel material.
* Borders: "Making Of" book.
* Circuit City: password unlocking 15 minutes of exclusive online behind-the-scenes featurettes, covering the voice recording sessions, prop construction, stunt work, and early CG tests and animatics.

==Reception==
The movie set multiple records when it opened, including biggest opening week gross for a non-sequel ($155.4 million), biggest Tuesday release gross ($27.4 million), biggest July 4th gross ($29 million), and the biggest foreign film opening in mainland China ($3 million).

The movie closed domestically on November 8, 2007, during which time it took in $319,071,806. (Domestic gross accounted for $310,578,372 before the IMAX version's release.) As of November 15, 2007, it has earned a ''worldwide'' gross of $702,918,603. It currently sits [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm at spot #19] in the "most domestic gross" list of movies, though this listing is ''not'' adjusted for inflation. When taking inflation into account, ''Transformers'' [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm just ekes in at spot #95].

{{quote|I didn’t sleep through it the way I Novocained my way through the awful ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', but by the time it ended, I thought I might have vertigo or whiplash, or both, and I certainly lost more than a few of my remaining I.Q. points.|[http://www.observer.com/2007/bay-bombs-again Rex Reed]}}

{{quote|It's goofy fun with a lot of stuff that blows up real good, and it has the grace not only to realize how preposterous it is, but to make that into an asset.|Roger Ebert}}

{{quote|But it’s tough to really care about questions like, “Why did that happen?” or even “What’s going on?” when you’re constantly interrupted by “Oh my goodness! Giant robots! Weeee!”|Peter Suderman|[http://tinyurl.com/373rps The National Review]}}

Critical reception was hit-and-miss, [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie/ more positive than negative but not by a lot], though it's sometimes hard to tell how many negative reviewers were more interested in criticizing [[Michael Bay]] in general over the movie itself. Otherwise, the most common negatives involved it being a generally think-free "spectacle"-style movie; even those who rated the movie positively noted it was a pure "popcorn" movie meant to wow its audience with [[CGI]] and explosions rather than make them think (Richard Roper noted in his "thumbs up" review "it has no nutritional value"). Whether one considers that a good or bad thing for a movie and if the movie was enough fun to overcome that is, of course, highly debatable. The other main culprit, again noted by many of the positive reviews, was its long running time, particularly the overly-chaotic, often hard-to-follow final big-bang extended ending action sequence. ([http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070705/REVIEWS/70620006/1023 Roger Ebert] noted that this sequence was what made him give the movie three out of four stars rather than the full four.)

Transformers was nominated for three Oscars, in the fields of Achievement in Sound Editing, Achievement in Sound Mixing, and Achievement in Visual Effects. The sound awards went to ''The Bourne Ultimatum'', and the visual effects award went to ''The Golden Compass''.

Currently, two sequels are planned, with [[Shia LaBeouf]] and [[Peter Cullen]] signed for both. Michael Bay, Spielberg, and the two screenwriters have also returned, with pre-production already underway. Filming for TF2 is scheduled to begin in June 2008, for a planned release date of June 2009.

==Trivia==
* The Autobot computer generated models consisted of 35,592 total pieces, 7,435,478 polygons, 95,247 rig nodes, and 20,258 texture maps. If laid end to end, the pieces would stretch 3.11 miles.

* For all the robots combined, there are 60,217 pieces of geometry, 123,509,502 polygons, 144,341 rigging nodes, and 34,215 texture maps.<ref>Robertson, Barbara (2007). Heavy Metal. ''Computer Graphics, 30''(7), 12-17.</ref>

* The events of the movie span 4-5 days.

* Within the movie, neither the Autobots nor the Decepticons are referred to as "Transformers".

==Transformer References==
The movie contains a number of nods and winks to previous iterations of ''Transformers'', primarily from [[Generation 1]]. Some of these were included in direct response to urgings of the fans; others originated with the production crew.
* The basic story set-up is similar to many iterations of the ''Generation 1'' story -- two warring factions, the noble Autobots and the power-hungry Decepticons, arrive on Earth, having left their devastated home planet, the war-torn mechanical world of Cybertron.
* Many of the featured Transformers are re-imagined versions of characters from ''Generation 1''. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] in particular are similar in physical form and characterization to their movie incarnations. The original versions of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] differ in appearance but fulfill story roles similar to their Movie versions.
* Though the characters are new, "[[Frenzy]]", "[[Scorponok]]", "[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]", "[[Devastator (disambiguation)|Devastator]]", "[[Blackout]]", "[[Barricade]]", and "[[Bonecrusher]]" are all names that have been used on Transformer characters before.
* Blackout's symbiotic relationship with Scorponok originated as an interpretation of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his cassette troops. Frenzy's transformation into a portable stereo is likewise an homage to Soundwave's cassette deck alternate form.
* Sam shares his last name with the [[Spike Witwicky|main human allies]] of the Autobots in the original ''[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]]''. Like Spike before him, he's closest to Bumblebee.
* The Autobot faction symbol seen on Bumblebee and others is basically unchanged from its ''Generation 1'' appearance.
* The All Spark takes its name from [[Allspark|a concept]] originally introduced in ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]''.
* The original G1 [[transformation]] sound pops up several times during the course of the film, such as Blackout's first conversion sequence (though truth be told it sounds more like it's being broadcast from a loudspeaker.)
[[Image:Movie BoliviasFinestQualityUsedCars 2.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Your bargaining posture is highly dubious.]]
* In his first appearance, Bumblebee parks next to a yellow Volkswagen Beetle—the alternate form of [[Bumblebee (G1)|G1 Bumblebee]].
* When instructing the Autobots to escape Sector Seven and when they later head for Hoover Dam, Optimus Prime delivers his catchphrase from the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|''Generation 1'' cartoon]], ordering them to [[roll out|"Roll out!"]]
* Prime references "the spark within my chest". [[Spark]]s{{m-}}the life-force that makes Transformers alive{{m-}}have been an integral part of Transformers fiction since ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]''.
* Although the Transformers' primary energy supply, [[Energon]], does not make a physical appearance in the film, an SUV's licence plate bears its name, the SUV thrown through the air during Megatron's rampage in Mission City.
* Optimus Prime's line "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" is the quote from his original 1984 [[bio]].
* The scene in which Jazz yanks aside Devastator's tank barrel is a direct homage to a similar sequence from TF:TM involving Kup and Blitzwing.
* Prime's line "...one shall stand; one shall fall" comes from the 1986 animated ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
* Ironhide's complaint that Mojo "leaked lubricant" on his foot references a line spoken by his ''Generation 1'' namesake in the [[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1|first episode of the original cartoon]], in which he famously exclaimed "Leakin' lubricant!"

==Errors==
* Sunset occurs roughly every fifteen minutes. Possibly indicative of time passage, but a little too much to not warrant mention in the actual movie.

* When Sam's car breaks down and Mikaela gets out to look at the engine, she leaves the passenger door open. When the car restarts and Sam leaves to close the hood, the passenger side door is now shut. But hey, maybe that was Bumblebee.

* After Bumblebee backs into a corner of the power plant to evade Barricade, there is a close up shot of him spinning his wheels to make his getaway. However, the shot of the wheels spinning is at a different location: the empty warehouse that Bumblebee and Barricade had raced through moments earlier.

* During the scene where Optimus Prime scans a truck for his new body, the passing truck has what appears to be an Autobot sigil on its grill, but the actual truck that Prime turns into at the end of the scene has a much wider, flatter symbol on the grill, quite possibly a Peterbilt sign.

* When Simmons replays Sam's "last words" recorded onto his cell phone, it doesn't match what he said in the scene where he actually recorded them.

* When the Autobots arrive to rescue Sam and Mikaela from Agent Simmons, Ironhide is the first Autobot to reach the damaged SUV and the other Sector Seven agents. Behind him, Ratchet is making his way towards the SUV, while Jazz and Bumblebee have their respective weapons drawn. However, in the very next shot, Ratchet's gun is suddenly in front of Ironhide, who is now making two short steps towards the SUV, while Jazz's gun has been replaced by his hand (which he uses to magnetically pull Sector Seven's guns away). In the shot after that, Jazz is just standing around sans Sector Seven guns, while Bumblebee wanders up and draws his gun... again.

* When Lennox arrives as Sam and Mikaela are supposedly strapping Bumblebee with the tow truck's chains, Bumblebee is not actually there. When the shot changes angles to the other side of the truck, Bumblebee is sitting right beside the truck while Sam directs Mikaela to wrap Bumblebee in the chains. When Lennox tells Sam to evacuate the Cube, subsequent camera angles from this side of the truck are actually where Bumblebee was moments earlier, but he's not there again (it is unlikely the angle was meant to be from Bumblebee's perspective). When Sam starts to run off and Mikaela calls him back, Bumblebee is once again clearly not sitting beside the truck. In fact, the space he once occupied has the beige van he crawled out of, earlier in the battle.

* After Optimus Prime and Megatron land in the city streets after flying through the office tower, Megatron throws the Autobot leader a short distance away, causing him to land on a parked car. After Megatron forms his fusion cannon, Optimus Prime has suddenly moved further down the street and the car he crushed, along with the other abandoned cars, have vanished. Additionally, Optimus stops at the intersection just in front of Megatron to pull out his Ion blaster in this shot, but when it cuts to a shot to the left-front of Optimus, he is only mid-way up the street, and there is a parked yellow cab at the kerb which was empty seconds earlier. Funnily enough, this kerb was where the crushed car was parked.

* When Optimus Prime is blasted by Megatron's fusion cannon, he goes flying into an office building, with his right leg going into the office itself and his right calf (back of the leg) facing the camera. However, when the shot is cut to the exterior, Optimus is hanging out of the office facing upwards, which is the opposite position he would be in according to the orientation he was in as he flew into the building.

* During the fight towards the end of the film between Megatron and Optimus, it is shown that Optimus is about the same size as Megatron in robot mode. Yet, in vehicle mode, Megatron is a great deal larger then Optimus is. Similarly, Starscream seems to be smaller then Megatron in robot form, leading to the logical conclusion that he is smaller then Optimus as well. Yet in vehicle mode, he is nearly four to five times larger, seeing as an F-22 Raptor is a great deal larger than a Peterbilt 379 tractor cab.

* ''See also: [[Mission City]].''

===Not actually an error===
* Sam and Mikaela, as well as Maggie and Glenn arrive at Hoover Dam on the same helicopter despite being from opposite ends of the country. Occasionally cited as an error, it is actually a narrative oversight, as it is likely that Sam and Mikaela were held in custody at a U.S. Air Base while waiting for Maggie and Glen to arrive with Secretary Keller's party by plane, then they all left for Hoover Dam together on the helicopters.

==External links==
* [http://www.transformersmovie.com/ Transformersmovie.com]
* [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0418279/ ''Transformers'' at IMDB.com]
* [http://www.transformersalbum.com/ ''Transformers The Albu''m]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28film%29 ''Transformers'' 2007 film on Wikipedia]
* [http://www.capalert.com/capreports/transformers.htm ''Transformers'' CAPalert.com review]

==References==

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Talk:Autoboot Camp

2008-06-03T20:22:57Z

(Undecided): /* That North America mantra... */

[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/animated-8/pictures-and-summary-for-animated-episode-25-autoboot-camp-spoilers-164832/ Guess who's confirmed for this episode?]
--[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:EDITED FOR SPOILER --[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::Disregard that, apparently it doesn't count if it hasn't aired in America.
--[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm sorry we would prefer not to rely on second-hand information. And stop putting your signature on a separate line. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

== How to tell people NOT to update... ==

Do we have a big giant banner/template thing specifically for when we DO NOT want a page updated yet
on pain of death, because news on something is unofficial, leeked, or simply would be an exeptionally
annoying spoiler that a large chunk of the fandom may not want to know about? If yes we should put
it bang at the top middle of all these upcomming episode pages. If not can we make one?
--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
{{comingsoon|No updatey until it airs in the western hemisphere.}}
:Is the problem that we don't want a page updated until it airs in North America, or is the problem that we don't want people to fill in episode details unless they've seen the episode themselves?
:I mean, if the episode aired, then the episode aired, presumably with Hasbro's approval. I would think we'd actually want to encourage our lucky non-North American counterparts to keep the wiki up to date.
:If I, personally, as a resident of North America, don't want to get spoiled, it's my responsibility to stay away from the page in question. (I have the same problem with ''Devastation'' spoliers, since it hasn't been released in TPB yet.) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think Devastation is in TPB now. Could have sworn I saw it at Borders. I'll have to double-check.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::Secondhand fillins are probably the greater concern- but really it's both. Being spoiled /badly/ by secondhand information that's been awkwardly grapevined by people wanting to shout "FIRST POST!!1" is even more annoying than simply being spoiled. -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 14:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Why is it both? I can understand not wanting to add possibly-garbled secondhand stuff. I can't understand prioritising the "Western Hemisphere" airings by themselves.
:::After all, GIGO was filled in before the episode aired to the Canuckleheads, and still hasn't aired in the middle bit of NA, AFAIK. Black Friday has been filled in and hasn't aired in NA at all. [Hell, Japanese episodes, including the "lost" episode of Energon, have been filled in when they're never going to air in NA at all!]
:::Why does a BotCon airing to a small audience get okayed, and a mass airing in a country outside of NA doesn't? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I think the secondhand bit is the main concern here. A sufficient number of users were at the BotCon showings to check each other's work on those two episodes, and the spoilers have been confined to the episode articles themselves (IE they haven't been added to character articles yet). These episodes aired in the Middle East? Most of the existing synopses involve spotty reception that cut out at critical moments during the episode, and thus can't be considered reliable. As well, the episodes aren't widely available so people can't check each other's work. It just makes for bad methodology.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::It also skips ahead 5 episodes in chronology, which is... spoilery-er than usual. No one's actually seen seen it except a handful of random fans- and there doesn't to be confidence that the ones updating this article are the ones who /have/ seen it. (Rather, the general belief seems to be that all the who-are-you's editing this article almost certainly ''haven't'' seen it.) That's bad, if no one's seen the episode (including the people editing it) how can we correct inaccuracies? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 04:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

So, uh, why can we put up things like Swindle in SUV or Prowl's sidecar in Fistful with the "Dubai blackout" in place? [[Special:Contributions/220.237.141.213|220.237.141.213]] 08:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

===That North America mantra...===
It is now [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/animated-8/transformers-animated-season-2-airing-in-the-uk-from-260508-164940/ entirely possible] that this episode will get its' first English-language airing in the UK. Is the "only in North America" mantra still going to stick if that's the case? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:We may want to rethink that policy...seriously, why do the distributors hate American Transfans? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::Might weaken a bit in that case. We've got a fair number of European users that could double-check the work. The problem wasn't that Dubai got it before anyone so much as that Dubai got it and nearly none of us could verify if the rumors from the Dubai leak were accurate or not because most of the English speakers who had seen it didn't have sound or didn't have complete transcripts. Makes it hellishly hard to write an article that's up to our standards, and certainly didn't help that most folks acting on the leaks were only focused on dropping spoilers not coherent article writing. I don't think distributors hate American venues. Both Cartoon Network and the moose have been putting out an episode a week pretty much like they're ''supposed'' to. It's not their fault others have gone beyond that.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::'tis true. Once it airs in the UK, the original, as-intended english-language version of the episode will be as accessible to the United States as any of the past Canadian broadcasts have been (by which I mean, "It'll be online within the blink of a gnat's sphincter."), which, hey, is more than "Black Friday" has going for it. That's just not the case with the Dubai-broadcast episodes. I think if they had aired there, in English, and been uploaded, and everyone had watched them, then we wouldn't really have had such an issue about making articles for them, but since all there is to go on is photos, quick summaries, translations that can't tell us whether or not the dub reflects the intent of the English version and nothing but a desire to go "OMG SPOILER", rather than actually contribute significantly... well, y'know. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::What Chris said. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Where is Dubai? --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in Disguise]] 16:57, 27 May 2008
::::::The United Arab Emirates. Very wealthy place.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I did not know that, thank you Rosicrucian.--[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in Disguise]] 17:01, 28 May 2008
Considering this is an English-language wiki, why not allow episode info to be posted if it has aired in a country where English is the official language (or at least one of them)? I'm pretty sure the UK counts, with the language being called '''English''' and all. Why make the issue more complicated than it needs to be? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 19:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:As you may have noticed... we are.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::I was suggesting that this be made official policy. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 19:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It effectively is now. We have consensus, and McFeely is an admin (as well as our biggest spaz about spoilers).--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay then. That's all I was asking. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 19:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

''Warning: Rage filled comment below''

:Hi, just a friendly U.S. based user here to tell you HOW ****ING PISSED OFF I AM THAT I GO TO MY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD WIKI READY TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOME ARTICLES ONLY TO FIND CHARACTER SPOILERS ON THE MAIN PAGE VIA THE LATEST ACTIVITY SECTION. Has this episode been aired in the Americas? Have we changed our policy here? In any case I'll be leaving for a week, I have been avoiding pretty much every source of TF info besides this wiki since the Dubai incident spoiled so much of the season finale. I thought this wiki took a firm stance on spoilers, and I was safe as long as I kept up with The Moose. Now this. ****. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 20:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Why doesnt Wasp has a page? WHY DOES UNIVERSE HATE WASPINATOR?

== And I'm out ==

Just FYI, this is the only episode I'll actually be seeing this week, and I've got work and other commitments for the next four days. So I'm pretty much, uh, not going to be here, because I'm saving them up to marathon on Saturday evening, and don't want spoiled this late in the game. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Swindle (Animated)

2008-06-02T05:15:24Z

(Undecided): /* Huge Cannon */

[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/animated-8/pictures-and-summary-for-animated-episode-24-suv---society-of-ultimate-villainy-164821/ If anyone wants to know, this is where I got my information.] --[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:08, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:This is waaaaay too soon to include in the wiki articles, let alone without a spoiler tag.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::Can't we declare war on whichever Middle Eastern country is getting new episodes daily? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:48, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Not until elections really swing into high. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:18, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's official: Cartoon Network hates American Transformers fans. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

==G1 civilian model?==
Wait, what? Isn't G1 Swindle some weirdass Nazi buggy that barely existed? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Nope, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMC_XR311 American]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:49, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
::Even so, I can't seem to find anything that indicates that it was sold to civilians like the Hummer. That trivia should probably go. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 02:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

==Random Thought==
Anybody but me thing that Swindle is sort of like a weird unholy love child of Megatron, Optimus Prime, and Hound? Whindshield chest/grille abdomen, cannon on right arm, jeep/hummer, cannon on back of vehicle mode...Maybe throw in a little Devastator too, for the box-head. Just one of those things you notice at almost three AM, I suppose... [[User:Kendrakirai|Kendrakirai]] 09:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Huge Cannon ==

When the hatch opened and his enormous gun came out it was amazing !

Should we add this to errors ? [[User:Retroqqq|Retroqqq]] 03:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
: Are you high? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:38, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

:: [[User:Retroqqq|Retroqqq]], please sign you posts so that people may know who writes these crazy comments without going through the page history. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 21:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
::: Does he mean that the cannon coming out of him in car mode is an animation error?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:::: Sorry for not signing ! But yeah , where did he hide his monster cannon ? [[User:Retroqqq|Retroqqq]] 03:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't know! And how can giant robots be alive and have feelings and stuff? Sounds like a plot error to me! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
: In car mode i mean ! But if the huge cannon was inside his passengers cabin its obviously not possible . [[User:Retroqqq|Retroqqq]] 04:07, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
::Clearly this impossible canon is a reference to the breasts of Gurren Laagen. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:09, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
::: I will answers to your impossible questions later , got to go ! [[User:Retroqqq|Retroqqq]] 04:12, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
::Come to think of it, giant transforming robots don't even really exist! I may have stumbled on the biggest continuity error ever!--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 04:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
::: First Derik deserves some sort of medal, second this sort of thing happens all the time. The actual toys usually don't have a passenger compartment, it's filled with robot bits (and in this case a huge cannon). So while the show depicts the bots being hollow in vehicle mode, that isn't really the case for their character models. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User:(Undecided)

2008-06-02T01:04:02Z

(Undecided):

==About Myself==
I first got hooked on transformers after I saw the 2007 movie. I got my first glimpse of Transformers in the last 15 minutes of [[The Web|"The Web"]] almost a decade ago, but no one I knew was interested in the brand so I passed it off for "some kiddy cartoon". Since the movie I have been sucking up Transformers material at an alarming rate. I started reading this wiki last August but didn't join until this April.<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Battle Dog

2008-06-01T23:15:00Z

(Undecided):

What. The. Hell. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:39, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:Beavis, this may be the coolest thing we've ever seen. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:: :( --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::: WOW! This is really somehow, interesting. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 17:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I miss that puppy already. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:50, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::YIKES. On the plus side, at least now I know I'm not the only one here who's ever suffered through "Benji: The Hunted".--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 18:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Geez, when I clicked on it I figured it was for Pisu, and I was all set to go "He's got a name," and then it was this guy, and I was all like "Awesome!" - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:Just when I was getting comfortable with the prospect of [[Shattered Glass|good Decepticons and evil Autobots]], this rears its ugly head. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Decepticon super science? okay...step away slowly... [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 00:22, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:: How is this exactly a victory? They put the "super science" there in the first place.
::: It was a pyrrhic victory. And sign your comments! [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 23:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)

2008-06-01T22:30:40Z

(Undecided): /* Spongescream and Patrick */ spelling

=="G1 redeco will be a store exclusive"==
Any idea which store will be getting the exclusive? Perhaps Target because they got the movie g1 starscream redeco?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 16:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:I put in that piece of trivia, and I don't know which store will carry it. all I've been told was that the guys at BotCon said they will release the mold in all the shown color schemes (and what I read they had shown Starscream together with his clones, which were in G1 seeker colors of Thundercracker, Skywarp and Starscream), and that the one in G1 SS colors would be a store exclusive, they also said that they love bringing out the seeker mold of each line in all three color variations.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Army-Building reference in the trivia==

*The [[Army-building|Starscream clones]] clearly only exist [[to sell toys]]

I think that is prefect for the trivia. The fact that there is a lot of seemingly same deco(A) starscreams makes it seem like hasbro is encouraging army building of the Starscream figure. The fact that because of the movie line, the toys and episode doesn't line up seems irrelevant to me. As does [[A Prime Problem]]. We are all very aware that the fictions only purpose is [[to sell toys]]. If in the fiction there are numerous identical starscreams, I think the connection is obvious.
[[Image:Lotta starscreams.jpg | thumb | left |(A)]]

--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 23:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
{{-}}
:There is no reason to believe that the clone army is a toy-sales-driven move. We've seen no altered-color-clone redecoes announced, which would be the big indicator... and at this stage, odds are appropriate redecoes would be created-after-the-fact items like the Premium movie toys. I really can't fathom Hasbro going "hey Marty, make Starscream clone himself so we can encourage multiple-buying of this one toy." It is far, far, FAR more likely that the genesis of the clone story is the simple "wouldn't it be neat to reference this thing that happened in G1, just like how Starscream died but came back". To claim unambiguously that it's a toy-sales-driven move is weak and tenuous at best. "To sell toys" is kind of dependent on "toy first". If Hasbro REALLY wanted to go that route, one of the clones would have been Skywarp, who we HAVE seen officialy announced as a toy... and Hasbro said he wasn't intended to be a show character. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
::And, sad to say, it's the most logical approach to a bunch of guys with the same body type. Bit more interesting take on it than G1, even. Having an army of them has an in-story purpose, and having them all resemble Starscream is easily explained by his vanity. This being a continuity that, aside from some noteworthy exceptions, has largely unique body types for each character.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:::I guess I see your point M Sipher. I still believe it should be noted somewhere that that photo I labeled (a) seems to encourage [[army-building]]. I now think my phrasing it as "clearly only exist" is probably wildly inaccurate, but again i think it should be noted. Also, i think that when the writers where coming up with the story for Animated, they probably expected the toys releases to coincide with airing. Like Soundwave being in wave 2 since he appeared late in season 1. Stupid Allspark Power line, I blame you for all my problems!

Also, Rosicrucian, i am not quite sure which side you are supporting :/

cheers!--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 22:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:I am saying that even on the chance that this is "to sell toys" it has more solid fictional support than... well... nearly all past Seeker redecos.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::::I think we should add this to Trivia instead.

::::* Starscream is clearly an [[Army_building|Army Builder]].
::::: And is the Yoda quote really needed here? We're using it as the caption on the pic in the Fist Full of Energon Main article.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea really, the clone wars thing is really out of place here. And yea, Starscream is clearly an [[Army-building|Army Builder]] works well too.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

==Clone V clone==

Ok, I checked. Terms like drone or jet or whatever are always started with a capital. In fact I couldn't find one similar themed page where all the words didn't have capitals in em [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.51 May26th
:EVERY ARTICLE ON THE WIKI starts with a capital letter. But if subsequent terms in the article title are not proper nouns, they stay lower case. This is a well established policy (see [[:Category:Nameless things]] for some examples.) Quit tryin' to fight it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

::Clearly it should be lowercase. however, shouldn't it be Starscream clones since the article talks about more then one? i mean after all it is an army of them. and the page goes into further detail about specific ones.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 22:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes and no. Yes in that it would be more logical, no in that everything's put in the singular so that you can type <nowiki>[[Starscream clone]]s</nowiki> to produce [[Starscream clone]]s as a link, but would have to do <nowiki>[[Starscream clones|Starscream clone]]</nowiki> if it was the other way around. It sacrifices the logical page title for ease of linking (not a convention I agree with, but one well established...) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It's singular because it talks about a type of character, the Starscream clone. Or, at least, it's supposed to. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== G1 references ==

I'm not sure we should put those in for these guys, unless we get something beyond coloring (hopefully, they'll get real names when released as toys, or at least much better clues) - I mean, the coloring doesn't even fit that well for either of them (G1 Starscream definitely wasn't brickred/brown, and Skywarp has, if anything, reversed coloring), and they don't seem to share any personality similarities either.

Plus, the Clone that fits Skywarp the best looks like it appears as part of the whole army, anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:Reddish brown Starscream is clearly based off of G1 Starscream, and his personality as the manipulator makes perfect sense. The coward seems more like Armada Skywarp. AniScream doesn't have as varied a colour scheme as G1 btw, so you really only have two colours to changed, his grey and his purple. As for personalities, they embody elements of Starscream. Giving one a Skywarp personality makes no sense [[User:GWolfv2]] 20.42 May 28th
::People have claimed that all sorts of things are "clearly" references that goddamn aren't, this included. The only thing that's "clear" is that people are reaching desperately for references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::You're very testy about this. I know why, but still...anyway, you assume they aren't, I assume they are(at least the second clone). And the world keeps spinning [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.02 May 28th

::: well, that was clearly a jab at me with the "clearly" bit. I just like to say clearly. and obviously. I am totally gonna try to work the word clearly into like all my talk page comments for no reason now :D. At least i am staying with-in the line with mine. i am not like omg that is SO a refrence to gurrenlaggan or what ever. I was saying that the starscream clones, especially in that first pic on the page, evoke thoughts of the common fan tendency to [[Army-building|build armies]]. Whatever, i dont even know why i wrote all this. i guess i am in a ranty mood. Cheers! --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::ok, that "well, that was clearly" thing wasn't even intentional! see what I mean?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Spongescream and Patrick ==

Was Starscream forgetting Bulkhead's name supposed to be a joke about how they are best friends on SBSQ? Or was it a reference to when Starscream first appeared, and I'm just crazy?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Maybe it was a reference to the fact that Bulkhead is the only one who doesn't have a G1 counterpart. After all, it's the "G1 color hommage" clone.
:::No it isn't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::If thats true, then thats really funny and pretty cool. also, sign your comments. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It could also be there just to show how transparently deceptive that particular clone was. Why does everything have to be a reference? [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Captions ==

Alright, whoever chose the new captions is full of win. Though may I ask: what does the main caption refer to? I assume it's Red Dwarf related, judging by the following two captions. But in case it isn't - what is it? Oh, and this is my first comment-thingo, so yeah. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 10:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:If I'm reading it right, that would be the Imperial March from Star Wars. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, but it doesn't quite scan right near the end. Maybe it's too long, maybe it's just me. My bet's on the latter :P [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 13:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:I added the Rimmer captions, but not the other two. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

==Flavors==

I am rather fond of the idea of referring to each Starscream clone as a different flavor in relation to the colors they are in the captions of the screengrabs. It would be nice to see a consistent joke applied to them. Of-course, it probably would only work if/when we get more starscream clones. I got the idea from the original captions for the two images, grape jelly starscream and cherry jelly starscream. an Example, say there is a starscream clone that is pink, he could be Bubblegum Starscream. and if there is an off-white, he could be vanillia, if there is a green clone (perhaps with yellow accents) he could be Lemon-Lime Starscream. I, of-course, only think we should refer to them as these in captions, i dont mean in our episode descriptions. it would be kinda odd to have hypothetical pink starscream clone refered to as Bubblegum Starscream in his/episode in which he hypothetically appears in's description. What do you guys think? When and if we get more it would be funny to have a full set of flavors of starscreams right. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 21:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've been picking out Rimmer captions for (hypothetical, of course) future individualised clones... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:: I am not familiar with this "rimmer" you speak of. I hadn't really understood the captions (the result being i wasnt satisfied with them) because of it probably. After looking it up, i see its from Red Dwarf, which i am completely unfamiliar with. I like to think of myself as somwhat of a sci-fi connoisseur, but i had never heard of it. You dont suppose it might be a bit too obscure (at least, for this audience)? --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 00:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I wouldn't say it's 'obscure'. I'd just say 'British' (that's where the show comes from)[[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)

2008-06-01T22:30:08Z

(Undecided): /* Spongescream and Patrick */

=="G1 redeco will be a store exclusive"==
Any idea which store will be getting the exclusive? Perhaps Target because they got the movie g1 starscream redeco?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 16:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

:I put in that piece of trivia, and I don't know which store will carry it. all I've been told was that the guys at BotCon said they will release the mold in all the shown color schemes (and what I read they had shown Starscream together with his clones, which were in G1 seeker colors of Thundercracker, Skywarp and Starscream), and that the one in G1 SS colors would be a store exclusive, they also said that they love bringing out the seeker mold of each line in all three color variations.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Army-Building reference in the trivia==

*The [[Army-building|Starscream clones]] clearly only exist [[to sell toys]]

I think that is prefect for the trivia. The fact that there is a lot of seemingly same deco(A) starscreams makes it seem like hasbro is encouraging army building of the Starscream figure. The fact that because of the movie line, the toys and episode doesn't line up seems irrelevant to me. As does [[A Prime Problem]]. We are all very aware that the fictions only purpose is [[to sell toys]]. If in the fiction there are numerous identical starscreams, I think the connection is obvious.
[[Image:Lotta starscreams.jpg | thumb | left |(A)]]

--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 23:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
{{-}}
:There is no reason to believe that the clone army is a toy-sales-driven move. We've seen no altered-color-clone redecoes announced, which would be the big indicator... and at this stage, odds are appropriate redecoes would be created-after-the-fact items like the Premium movie toys. I really can't fathom Hasbro going "hey Marty, make Starscream clone himself so we can encourage multiple-buying of this one toy." It is far, far, FAR more likely that the genesis of the clone story is the simple "wouldn't it be neat to reference this thing that happened in G1, just like how Starscream died but came back". To claim unambiguously that it's a toy-sales-driven move is weak and tenuous at best. "To sell toys" is kind of dependent on "toy first". If Hasbro REALLY wanted to go that route, one of the clones would have been Skywarp, who we HAVE seen officialy announced as a toy... and Hasbro said he wasn't intended to be a show character. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
::And, sad to say, it's the most logical approach to a bunch of guys with the same body type. Bit more interesting take on it than G1, even. Having an army of them has an in-story purpose, and having them all resemble Starscream is easily explained by his vanity. This being a continuity that, aside from some noteworthy exceptions, has largely unique body types for each character.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:::I guess I see your point M Sipher. I still believe it should be noted somewhere that that photo I labeled (a) seems to encourage [[army-building]]. I now think my phrasing it as "clearly only exist" is probably wildly inaccurate, but again i think it should be noted. Also, i think that when the writers where coming up with the story for Animated, they probably expected the toys releases to coincide with airing. Like Soundwave being in wave 2 since he appeared late in season 1. Stupid Allspark Power line, I blame you for all my problems!

Also, Rosicrucian, i am not quite sure which side you are supporting :/

cheers!--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 22:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:I am saying that even on the chance that this is "to sell toys" it has more solid fictional support than... well... nearly all past Seeker redecos.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

::::I think we should add this to Trivia instead.

::::* Starscream is clearly an [[Army_building|Army Builder]].
::::: And is the Yoda quote really needed here? We're using it as the caption on the pic in the Fist Full of Energon Main article.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Yea really, the clone wars thing is really out of place here. And yea, Starscream is clearly an [[Army-building|Army Builder]] works well too.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:18, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

==Clone V clone==

Ok, I checked. Terms like drone or jet or whatever are always started with a capital. In fact I couldn't find one similar themed page where all the words didn't have capitals in em [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.51 May26th
:EVERY ARTICLE ON THE WIKI starts with a capital letter. But if subsequent terms in the article title are not proper nouns, they stay lower case. This is a well established policy (see [[:Category:Nameless things]] for some examples.) Quit tryin' to fight it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

::Clearly it should be lowercase. however, shouldn't it be Starscream clones since the article talks about more then one? i mean after all it is an army of them. and the page goes into further detail about specific ones.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 22:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes and no. Yes in that it would be more logical, no in that everything's put in the singular so that you can type <nowiki>[[Starscream clone]]s</nowiki> to produce [[Starscream clone]]s as a link, but would have to do <nowiki>[[Starscream clones|Starscream clone]]</nowiki> if it was the other way around. It sacrifices the logical page title for ease of linking (not a convention I agree with, but one well established...) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It's singular because it talks about a type of character, the Starscream clone. Or, at least, it's supposed to. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== G1 references ==

I'm not sure we should put those in for these guys, unless we get something beyond coloring (hopefully, they'll get real names when released as toys, or at least much better clues) - I mean, the coloring doesn't even fit that well for either of them (G1 Starscream definitely wasn't brickred/brown, and Skywarp has, if anything, reversed coloring), and they don't seem to share any personality similarities either.

Plus, the Clone that fits Skywarp the best looks like it appears as part of the whole army, anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:Reddish brown Starscream is clearly based off of G1 Starscream, and his personality as the manipulator makes perfect sense. The coward seems more like Armada Skywarp. AniScream doesn't have as varied a colour scheme as G1 btw, so you really only have two colours to changed, his grey and his purple. As for personalities, they embody elements of Starscream. Giving one a Skywarp personality makes no sense [[User:GWolfv2]] 20.42 May 28th
::People have claimed that all sorts of things are "clearly" references that goddamn aren't, this included. The only thing that's "clear" is that people are reaching desperately for references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:43, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::You're very testy about this. I know why, but still...anyway, you assume they aren't, I assume they are(at least the second clone). And the world keeps spinning [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.02 May 28th

::: well, that was clearly a jab at me with the "clearly" bit. I just like to say clearly. and obviously. I am totally gonna try to work the word clearly into like all my talk page comments for no reason now :D. At least i am staying with-in the line with mine. i am not like omg that is SO a refrence to gurrenlaggan or what ever. I was saying that the starscream clones, especially in that first pic on the page, evoke thoughts of the common fan tendency to [[Army-building|build armies]]. Whatever, i dont even know why i wrote all this. i guess i am in a ranty mood. Cheers! --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::ok, that "well, that was clearly" thing wasn't even intentional! see what I mean?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:51, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== Spongescream and Patrick ==

Was Starscream forgetting Bulkhead's name supposed to be a joke about how they are best friends on SBSQ? Or was it a reference to when Starscream first appeared, and I'm just crazy?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Maybe it was a reference to the fact that Bulkhead is the only one who doesn't have a G1 counterpart. After all, it's the "G1 color hommage" clone.
:::No it isn't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::If thats true, then thats really funny and pretty cool. also, sign your comments. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::It could also be their just to show how transparently deceptive that particular clone was. Why does everything have to be a reference? [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

== Captions ==

Alright, whoever chose the new captions is full of win. Though may I ask: what does the main caption refer to? I assume it's Red Dwarf related, judging by the following two captions. But in case it isn't - what is it? Oh, and this is my first comment-thingo, so yeah. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 10:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:If I'm reading it right, that would be the Imperial March from Star Wars. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, but it doesn't quite scan right near the end. Maybe it's too long, maybe it's just me. My bet's on the latter :P [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 13:38, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:I added the Rimmer captions, but not the other two. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

==Flavors==

I am rather fond of the idea of referring to each Starscream clone as a different flavor in relation to the colors they are in the captions of the screengrabs. It would be nice to see a consistent joke applied to them. Of-course, it probably would only work if/when we get more starscream clones. I got the idea from the original captions for the two images, grape jelly starscream and cherry jelly starscream. an Example, say there is a starscream clone that is pink, he could be Bubblegum Starscream. and if there is an off-white, he could be vanillia, if there is a green clone (perhaps with yellow accents) he could be Lemon-Lime Starscream. I, of-course, only think we should refer to them as these in captions, i dont mean in our episode descriptions. it would be kinda odd to have hypothetical pink starscream clone refered to as Bubblegum Starscream in his/episode in which he hypothetically appears in's description. What do you guys think? When and if we get more it would be funny to have a full set of flavors of starscreams right. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 21:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:I've been picking out Rimmer captions for (hypothetical, of course) future individualised clones... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:: I am not familiar with this "rimmer" you speak of. I hadn't really understood the captions (the result being i wasnt satisfied with them) because of it probably. After looking it up, i see its from Red Dwarf, which i am completely unfamiliar with. I like to think of myself as somwhat of a sci-fi connoisseur, but i had never heard of it. You dont suppose it might be a bit too obscure (at least, for this audience)? --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 00:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

:::I wouldn't say it's 'obscure'. I'd just say 'British' (that's where the show comes from)[[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:37, 1 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Female Transformer

2008-06-01T22:10:27Z

(Undecided): /* Transformers: Animated */ Elita-1 and Blackarachnia are the same person with a simple name change, she doesn't have any conflicting sense of identity unlike Megatron/Galvatron

[[Image:ArceeManga1.jpg|right|300px|thumb| [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], the most famous female Transformer, poses for the boys. Way to set an example there.]]

Despite being robotic lifeforms with generally non-sexual methods of [[Reproduction | reproduction]], the [[Transformer]] species has almost always been shown to include both male and female gender analogues, at least mentally if not physically. '''Female Transformers''' are usually portrayed as comparatively rare, but are considered an official part of the Transformers franchise in pretty much every continuity.

Click here for a '''[[List of female Transformers]]''' from all continuities.

==Appearance==

The appearance of female Transformers in most continuities would seem to suggest a level of "sexual" dimorphism is present in at least the more humanoid members of the Transformers species (the term sexual is used in a gender-based, rather than physical sense, see the reproduction link above for that whole kettle of robo-fish). In almost all cases female Transformers are portrayed as comparatively more graceful of form, and more rounded and curved in general, than their male counterparts. Often they have a more than passing resemblance to an attractive human female made of metal and wearing armor and [[kibble]].

There are exceptions to this rule, and bulky, less overtly human-female-like characters have become more common, particularly among those who have toys. These are especially common in the [[Unicron Trilogy]] series and in latter expansions of the [[Generation 1]] series out of Japan, when the characters are often assigned to pre-existing "masculine" toys.

==Romance==

Despite their robotic nature and likely non-sexual means of reproduction, romance between male and female Transformers is a well-established factor in pretty much every continuity in which both appear (which is pretty much every continuity).

Regardless of the whys and wherefores many romantic male-female Transformer pairings have appeared over the years, including:

*[[Beta]] - [[Alpha Trion]]
*[[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] (Ariel) - [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (Orion Pax)
*[[Firestar]] - [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]]
*[[Chromia]] - [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]
*[[Moonracer]] - [[Powerglide]]
*[[Arcee]] - [[Hot Rod]]
*Arcee - [[Springer]]
*Arcee - [[Chromedome]] {{storylink|The Headmasters}}
*Arcee (she gets around) - [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers}}
*[[Nancy]] - [[Wreck-Gar]]
*[[Esmeryl]] - [[Deathsaurus]]
*[[Clipper]] - [[Holi]]
*[[Rage (BWN)|Rage]] - [[Stampy]]
*[[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] - [[Tigatron]]
*[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] - [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]
*[[Botanica]] - [[Rattrap]]
*[[Strika]] - [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]]<ref>When Obsidian refers to Strika as his consort in [[Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike]] he appears to have been using the less-common "associate" or "partner" definition. There are no displays of affection between them during [[Beast Machines (cartoon)|''Beast Machines'']], and [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide|secondary information sources]] describe them only as "cohorts".</ref>
*[[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] has a female "life partner" whose name has yet to be revealed.
*[[San Diego (G1)|San Diego]] once had plans to marry [[Discharge]], apparently directly inspired by that aspect of [[human]] culture. Whether there was an actual romantic relationship involved is unknown.

==Fandom==

Probably because of their rarity in official fiction and toylines, female Transformers are popular plot devices in fanfiction, where the term "femme" is often used to descibe them, with "mech"<ref>While "femme" obviously is related to the French word for "woman", "mec" (without an H) is also French for "guy", "dude" or, more loosely, "[http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mec pimp]". One hopes this is coincidence. To make it clear, the use of the word "femme" come from a pun playing with the alikeness between "mec" and "mech", "mech" originally referring to the Transformer's mechanical nature, or to "mecha", a common term for giant fighting robots in general.</ref> likewise being applied to "male" Transformers.{{fact}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 animated series===
[[Image:G1femmes.jpg|right|450px|thumb|A bunch of [[Female Autobots]] from the G1 toon and [[Alpha Trion]]. His pimp cane was removed in post-production.]]

This continuity makes female Transformers out to be a rarity, once thought extinct. Given the appearance of Beta back in the slave days under [[Quintesson]] rule, it seems clear they were produced alongside the male [[Autobot]]s as part of the Quintessons' domestic product line. There are no [[Decepticon]] females in American continuity, however. This does make some sense within the context of the series, as the Autobots were created to be slaves while the Decepticons were made to be soldiers. It's likely that female-styled Autobots were created to perform labor stereotypically regarded as "women's work".

[[Wreck-Gar]] has a "[[Nancy|Junkion lady]]" companion in one episode. Just how relationships function in this isolated, media-based Transformers society is unclear, although it's notable that Wreck-Gar and his lady friend "slept" sitting up next to each other on giant thrones between television broadcast cycles.

(It's also worth noting that the lady's character model is actually that of a female [[Lithone]], another mechanical race, but whether this is meaningful in any way or simple model recycling is uncertain.)

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===''Generation 1'' Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:Nomates.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Or maybe Cloudburst is just very scared of commitment.]]No female Transformers are ever seen or referred to in the US stories, and when [[Cloudburst]] is pressured into a relationship with the beautiful [[First One]] of [[Femax]], he explains that Transformers, as a species, have no gender. {{storylink|Recipe for Disaster!}} The UK stories corroborate this, and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is intentionally created by the Autobots to be the sole female Transformer in an attempt to placate [[human]] feminists. {{storylink|Prime's Rib!}} (See her picture above for a hint of how well that went over.)

[[BotCon]]'s ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' fiction, while not including the UK material, introduced [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] in a similar manner as UK Arcee. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

(This continuity has, historically, been surprisingly alone in declaring Transformers to be naturally gender free.)

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===Transformers: Victory===
[[Image:Esmeryl-manga.jpg|thumb|150px|right|This is an official ''Transformers'' character. No, really.]]

[[Decepticon]] females make their first (yet still to this day very rare) appearance in official fiction as [[Esmeryl]] ([[Deathsaurus]]' wife) and [[Lyzack]] ([[Leozack]]'s sister) both show up to show the Autobots just what it is Deathsaurus and his crew have been fighting for all this time: their poor female counterparts and countless children back home. This spares the Decepticons' lives in the final battle between the two forces. This certainly casts an odd light on the matter of Transformer [[reproduction]] (and on the manga author).

Meanwhile, in the animated series, the [[Micromaster]] [[Holi]] is shown to have a girlfriend on the planet [[Micro]], [[Clipper]]. There doesn't seem to be much special about her, aside from her being fairly competent and not subservient to guys at all. However, she ''is'' predominantly pink, so, well, baby steps.
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===Beast Wars===
[[Blackarachnia]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] both engage in romances with male [[Maximal]]s, the former blatantly and the latter far more subtly.

Over the course of the show Rattrap makes numerous innuendos, especially involving Silverbolt and Blackarachnia's relationship, that suggest that, at least by that era, there may have been something sex-like between Transformers. He also makes references to a bar on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] where the wait-staff go "without their torso-plates on"... which frankly sounds like it'd be really messy.

===Beast Wars II===
[[Scylla]] is the impetus for a big ridiculous love triangle of hilarity and embarrassment in both the animated and manga continuities. She is in love with the squid-bot [[Scuba]], who wants nothing to do with her. Meanwhile, the [[Maximal]] [[Bighorn]] is in love with Scylla, who wants nothing to do with him.

It's also worth noting that non-Transformer female robot [[Artemis]] harbors a crush on both Scuba (poor guy) and [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]].

===Beast Machines===
''Beast Machines''<nowiki>'</nowiki> [[technorganic]] reformatting raises even further questions about what it means to be a "female transformer". It is possible that the Technorganic female Transformers, being merged organic and technological life to a cellular level, might actually be ''physically'' female.

[[Rattrap]] and [[Botanica]] end up in a romantic relationship towards the end of ''[[Beast Machines]]'' ("So, I'm a tree-hugger!" Rattrap remarks). What this means for his bar-hopping days is never explored.

The [[Vehicon]] [[Strika]] is referred to as the "consort" of [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]], and has been serving by his side, seemingly as an equal, for centuries. Some have taken this to mean the two have a romantic interest in each other, but the show itself does not offer any hints to this.

===Dreamwave comic continuity===
According to DK's ''Transformers: The Ultimate Guide'', "Transformers are inherently non-gender specific, and only some quirk of their timelost origins can account for [female Transformers'] difference in appearance and attitude." Dreamwave was in the process of introducing more female Transformers and explicating their links to the Quintessons in this continuity when it went out of business.

===Unicron Trilogy===
[[Image:Twirl-Baby.jpg|left|thumb|250px|But she's got your altmode!]]

The existence of female Transformers throughout the [[Unicron Trilogy]] is portrayed as slightly uncommon (it is a fiction aimed at young boys, after all), but hardly remarkable. They just exist, as do "males", and no special attention is called to them. Quite a few appear in various places in "[[Motorcycle refugee|civilian]]" roles, as [[Autobot nurse|nurses]], and even on [[Velocitron band|colony worlds]].

There are examples and hints of romantic interest between males and females in both ''[[Armada]]'' ([[Redline]] and [[Falcia]] in the [[Linkage (comic)|''Linkage'' comics]], plus [[Nightscream (Armada)|Nightscream's]] eagerness to appease and defend his [[bulk]] partner [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]]), and ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' stories (most obviously [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast's]] intense infatuation with [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack's]] secret crush on [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]], plus [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]] reportedly has an unnamed female "life partner" lost somewhere on [[Earth]]). This too is treated as a fairly common event.

There are female Transformers in positions of very high power as well: in the [[Energon (cartoon)|''Energon'' cartoon]], [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]] is the leader of the entire [[Omnicon]] race, while in ''Cybertron'', Override is the leader of the planet [[Velocitron]]. So far, the Unicron Trilogy is the only ''Transformers'' continuity to ''give'' female Transformers that level of responsibility.

:''('''Note''': In the French version of the ''Energon'' cartoon, Arcee is dubbed by a man. ''Why'' she was is currently unknown.)''

===IDW Comic continuity===

Originally [[Simon Furman]] stated that he would not use female Transformers in IDW continuity until he came up with a reason for them to exist that makes logical sense to him. He did not rule out doing so, as he said he had found a similar justification for the [[Pretender]]s, which led to the [[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]] miniseries.

Despite this, in ''[[Megatron Origin]]'' [[Alex Milne]] drew what are clearly intended to be female Transformers in a good number of "easter egg" cameo appearances. (Cameos included female [[Tonka GoBots]] character Crasher, [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]], [[Chromia]], and a number of generic background femmes.)

This was finally resolved in [[Spotlight: Arcee]], where it was revealed that the malevolent Golden Age Cybertronian scientist [[Jhiaxus]] introduced gender to the Cybertronian genome just to see what it'd do. Tampering with the [[CNA]] of the titular character at her creation to make her Female, he discarded his experiment once he was finished, only to find she had an inherent homing instinct for his creations. Arcee was tremendously unstable to the point of psychosis and fixated on getting revenge on Jhiaxus.

While the story implies that she is something very rare and unique it does not say that she was the ''only'' female Transformer Jhiaxus created, mearly the first, leaving it open for the cameos in Megatron Origin to remain in continuity.

It should be noted that Jhiaxus specifically alters Arcee's CNA to "make her female and introduce gender to the species." Exactly how deep these alterations went, how closely her form was designed to match the females of organic species on which she was based (perticularly in relation to reproduction) is unknown and will likely remain so.

===2007 Movie===

[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] was originally going to be featured as part of the cast of the ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'' film, but was cut early on in the movie's development. The script writers felt they would need to explain the presence of a female in an entirely robotic race, and there was not enough time in the film to do so. Arcee was replaced in the movie by [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. Even so, Arcee was featured in IDW's [[Prime Directives|Movie Prequel comics]] and remains in the movie toyline as both Deluxe and Scout-class toys.

One other female Autobot is featured in the movie continuality family, another Scout-class toy, [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]]. Both Elita and Arcee, however, are featured in [[Transformers Comic issue 9|Titan Magazine's]] ongoing alternate-reality story, "Twilight's Last Gleaming", where they join four other Autobot reinforcements hiding out on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]

As for Decepticons, [[Fracture]], based off the Tonka Gobots character [[Crasher (G1)|Crasher]], was recently added to the end of the movie toyline as a Wal-mart exclusive. She is a redeco of ''Classics'' [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. What this says about Mirage's mech-hood is open to debate.

===Transformers: Animated===

Two female Transformers have been seen so far in ''[[Transformers: Animated]]'', however only [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], has been seen in this continuity's "present", [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] is only seen in a flashback. Also Blackarachnia is revealed to originally have been an Autobot, making both known female transformers of Autobot construction.

What this means for the state of female Transformers in ''Animated'' is unknown at this time, although in [[Along Came a Spider|"Along Came a Spider"]], both [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] expressed confusion as to ''what'' Blackarachnia was. Though they could have been referring to her [[technorganic|partially organic]] nature, [[Sari Sumdac|Sari's]] comment ("Duh, she's a girl.") seems to imply that the two Autobots were confused about Blackarachnia's gender. This could be due to the fact that both Bumblebee and Bulkhead are younger, inexperienced characters. It could also be a misunderstanding on Sari's part, used for comic effect. In contrast, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|all]] [[Lugnut|her]] [[Starscream (Animated)|Decepticon]] [[Megatron (Animated)|shipmates]] did not react in any unusual way to Blackarachnia being female.

It is also worth noting that [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] role as the Autobot medical officer was originally supposed to be assigned to a female character named '''Red Alert''', so female Autobots were originally intended to be featured in ''Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s present timeline. Perhaps the safest assumption to make at this time is that, as in the preceding Unicron Trilogy, female Transformers in ''Animated'' are relatively uncommon, but hardly remarkable (unless you're a young, male Autobot who's spent ''waaaaayy'' too much time fixing space bridges).

==Footnotes==
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[[Category: Female Transformers| ]]
[[Category: Biology]]
[[Category: Transformer culture]]
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Blitzwing (Animated)

2008-06-01T21:48:38Z

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:''Blitzwing is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|thumb|200px|We have wayz of making you talk!]]

'''Blitzwing''' not only has three modes (robot, jet, and tank), he also has [[wikipedia:Dissociative identity disorder|three alternate personalities]] (an "icy" cold strategist, a short-tempered "hothead", and a total "random" nutcase) along with the faces rattling around in his head to go with them. He's as liable to have a conversation with himself as he is to say a word to his fellow Decepticons. Pretty much the only thing that keeps him in line is that all three of his personalities are scared to death of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]].

Blitzwing's icy personality is represented by a long, blue face [[Wikipedia:Hogan's Heroes#Colonel Klink|with a monocle]] and speaks with quiet disdain. His easily angered hothead personality has a wide red face and is gap-toothed, making him look and sound like a certain [[wikipedia:Arnold Schwarzenegger|Austrian musclehead]]. Finally, his random personality's face looks like nothing so much as a black jack-o'-lantern and just sounds [[Inferno (BW)|hysterical]]. All three personalities have a German accent, and apparently he has trouble flying in a straight line. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing]

Blitzwing's armament varies depending upon which personality is dominant at the time. His calculating personality has an arsenal of ice weaponry, while the hothead predictably can bring the heat. When his third personality is foremost, nearly anything can be dished out from either of his vehicle modes. Blitzwing's alt-mode is likewise usually dependent on which aspect is dominant at the time. His cold side favors the jet, his angry side favors the tank, and his insane side has no favorites. It even goes so far that if he becomes angry enough during flight, he transforms into tank mode. It's possible for Blitzwing to fire conventional explosive missiles while in jet mode while he's angry, but that rarely happens. Most likely, he can use icy attacks while he's in tank mode as well, but this has never happened on screen.

Basically, he's the Purple Baron...or a Panzer that can walk...or just [[Tarantulus|a purple lunatic]].

{{quote|Ze name iz Blitzwing, [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|insect]]—remember it! Cause it's ze last thing you're gonna hear before I—express my feelings in song!|Blitzwing switching personalities like we switch shoes|"[[Transform and Roll Out!]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
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[[Image:Animated_blitzwing_faces1.JPG|left|thumb|170px|"So [[wikipedia:Colonel Dietrich|Dietrich]], [[wikipedia:Arnold Schwarzenegger|Arnold]] and [[wikipedia:Phantom Blot|Blot]] walk into a bar..."]]

:''Voice actor:'' [[Bumper Robinson]] (English), [[Rainer Doering]] (German)

Blitzwing was aboard the [[Nemesis (Animated)|''Nemesis'']] with the other Decepticons at the time of the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]'s re-discovery. He partially froze [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]'s arm, commenting on how her demeanor was as unpleasant as her organic beast mode. When Blackarachnia advised him to blow it out his actuator, Blitzwing angrily demanded that she refer to him by his proper name, or else he would...''express his feelings in song!'' His out-of-tune rendition of "The Itsy Bitsy Spider" got all the Decepticons arguing until Megatron entered, prompting Blitzwing to fall silent with the rest.

When it became clear the ''Nemesis'' was going to crash into an exploding space bridge, Blitzwing fled in an escape pod. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

After Megatron's disappearance, Blitzwing placed a bounty on [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], intending to punish him for destroying Megatron. Fifty stellar cycles later, the bounty hunter [[Lockdown]] contacted Blitzwing, saying he had Prime. Blitzwing promised that Lockdown would receive payment once Blitzwing received Prime — then his random side asked if he could ''please, please please'' see Prime turn into a firetruck. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

[[Image:LugnutBlitzwingNemesis.JPG|175px|thumb|"This was Megatron's ship!" "Oh, cool! Maybe my DVD collection's still in there."]]
Some time after this, Blitzwing and [[Lugnut]] followed a beacon to the [[Moon]] to find the wreckage of the ''Nemesis''. Arriving on Earth, the two had similar problems determining the dominant species on Earth as the Autobots did, mistaking Earth's automatons and machines for sentient beings. During an encounter with the Autobots, Bumblebee and Prowl were hard pressed to avoid Blitzwing's energy blasts, but his freeze beam did get Bumblebee off his feet. When Lugnut demanded information on Megatron's location, the Autobots mentioned that he had "turned into a fireball somewhere over [[Cleveland]]". Naturally, Lugnut was displeased, and he used his super-punch to floor the Autobots{{m-}}and bury himself and Blitzwing under the rubble. When Blitzwing unburied himself, he irritatedly reminded Lugnut of his often repeated request for a little warning before the punch.

Having observed the battle over a live feed, Megatron opted to radio Lugnut exclusively, leaving Blitzwing struggling to work out what exactly was going on. Blitzwing believed Lugnut was only listening to voices in his head, so Lugnut had to take him along forcibly. Uncertain of the number and strength of the Autobots' "reinforcements" (the Detroit Police Department), the pair scanned Earth vehicles for disguises so they could lay low. Icy Blitzwing wanted to scan a fighter jet, while Hothead wanted a tank. After a brief argument, Random suggested that they scan both. That evening, the two Decepticons followed the Autobots to [[Lake Erie]], where Blitzwing froze the lake. When the Autobots submerged, he followed them in tank form. Blitzwing was lured by the Autobots towards [[Autobot ship (Animated)|their ship]] and blasted by one of its weapons systems. He and Lugnut were left fragmented but functional and floated to the surface, only to be met by [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], who offered to repair them in exchange for a pledge of undying allegiance. {{storylink|Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found}}
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Apparently, they chose to serve under Starscream, but still were bickering with each other. When Lugnut began receiving internal transmissions from Megatron again, Starscream was confused, but his scans still detected the signals. He ordered both Lugnut and Blitzwing to find the [[Sari Sumdac's key|AllSpark key]] while he himself tracked the transmissions.

At the moment, the key was in the hands of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]. Blitzwing used his ice guns to freeze Ratchet and rip off the arm that was carrying the key. Afterward, they went to Sumdac Tower to find Megatron. In the process of greeting him, they revealed Megatron's true Decepticon nature to [[Isaac Sumdac|Prof. Sumdac]]. Blitzwing, now understanding what had been going on with Lugnut, inserted the key into Megatron's head, restoring their true leader. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 Blitzwing tank crash.jpg|thumb|left|200px|He's just as aerodynamic as the next tank.]]

As Megatron proceeded to beat up the Autobots, Blitzwing and Lugnut decided not to intervene and kept an eye on Professor Sumdac instead. When Megatron called his loyal troops to him, Blitzwing looked on as his leader made an example of Starscream. The Decepticons took to the air, locating and attacking the Autobots' ship as it travelled from the lake to the Tower, then from the Tower to Dinobot Island, where it was shot down. Blitzwing split off to tackle Prowl, Ratchet and Bumblebee, before being brought down by a combined EMP burst. As Blitzwing rolled around and shelled the Autobots, Prowl noticed that Blitzwing's personalities were connected to his alternate modes and powers. By this time, Blitzwing was back in the air, but Bumblebee taunted the Triple Changer enough that Hothead Blitzwing took over, transformed from jet to tank—and fell into the lake. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image:TFA Blitzwing Jet Altmode.jpg|thumb|200px|right|I'm gunning for you, [[Wikipedia:Snoopy|Snoopy]].]]
The Decepticons set up a base in a mine containing carbon deposits, which would block their energy signatures so they could recover from their encounter with the Autobots without detection. When Megatron announced his new plan to conquer [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Blitzwing felt the plan was crazy, as neither he nor Lugnut had any idea how they would get there. He changed his mind when Megatron explained that they would build their own [[space bridge]] using the specs Megatron had downloaded from [[Teletran-1]] during one of the encounters with the Autobots. However, they would need the captured Prof. Sumdac to help them, as the specs were incomplete. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

After Isaac Sumdac developed a device that shielded their energy signatures from Autobot sensors, Blitzwing and Lugnut went to retrieve a tachyon transmitter from the Elite Guard's ship. When they presented it to Megatron, Starscream appeared, tried to kill Megatron{{m-}}and was killed by Megatron. However, Starscream appeared to survive, and Blitzwing spent the rest of the evening dumping Starscream's body into the river. The next day, Blitzwing and Megatron responded to an AllSpark energy signature which turned out to be a trap laid by Starscream. Blitzwing and Megatron then pursued the traitor, offlining him again. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Blitzwing and Lugnut are stuck with the dirty work, collecting supplies for the construction of the space bridge. Foiled by the Autobots, they tried again the next day, hauling heavy trailers up a hill. Blitzwing's foot slipped, and he was nearly offlined by the trailer sending him careening towards a wall. Bracing for impact, his demise was interrupted by the intervention of [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]]. Seeing a good opportunity in the brawny Constructibots, he tricked them into hauling the two trailers to the mine. Though Lugnut stated that Megatron would never stand for this, he reassured the huge Decepticon that the two newcomers would be offlined as soon as the work was done. True to his word, Blitzwing was about to have Lugnut dispatch the hapless bots when Megatron stepped in. He had bigger plans for them. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
*'''Blitzwing''' (Voyager, 2008)

:Blitzwing transforms into a futuristic "Mech-Warrior"ish-tank with large, anti-aircraft-like guns and a squat jet with tracks. The robot mode has three faces, which can be switched around via a knob on the back of the head. He looks awesome.

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==Trivia==
* [[Marty Isenberg]] originally envisioned a [[Skyfall (G1)|character who could change into anything]]. When that (obviously) proved unworkable in toy terms, the character of Blitzwing as a triple-changer was suggested for the role.[http://tformers.com/transformers-interview-transformers-animated/8992/news.html] As fate would have it, Hasbro designer [[Eric Siebenaler]] had been itching to do a face-swapping Blitzwing since 2005. <ref>Blitzwing's long design history was detailed at [[BotCon 2008]]'s Hasbro Design panel.</ref>

* Blitzwing's pre-earth robot form holds a passing resemblence to his G1 namesake, especially on the wings.

* Blitzwing's three personas are listed on his model sheets as "Icy", "Hothead" and "Random".

* His helmet is an obvious nod to a World War II-era German [[wikipedia:Stahlhelm|Stahlhelm]] helmet and goggles. Given the overall design in robot mode, the nature of his personalities and even his name itself, this ''really'' isn't very surprising.

* Blitzwing's face-changing [[gimmick]] was in part inspired by [[Wikipedia:Man-E-Faces|Man-E-Faces]] from ''Masters of the Universe.''<ref>According to [[Hasbro]] employees speaking at the 2007 Comic-Con International.</ref> He's not the first Transformers toy to feature multiple rotating faces; [[Alpha Q]], inspired by the five-faced Generation 1 [[Quintesson]]s, holds that distinction. Whether Blitzwing (or the Quintessons) have any roots in such larger cultural currents as the many three-faced depictions of [http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&safe=off&q=three-faced+buddha the Buddha] and [http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Trimukha+Ganapati&gbv=2 various gods from the Hindu pantheon] (or at least [[wikipedia:Ashuraman|Japanese cartoon characters from the 80s based on them]]) remains unknown.

* In "Transform and Roll Out!", Blitzwing is seen singing "The Itsy Bitsy Spider" aboard the ''Nemesis'' after threatening Blackarachnia. Assuming that neither faction had any previous contact with Earth at the time, how or where did Blitzwing learn to sing the nursery rhyme? Unless...

* Blitzwing's decision to scan both a tank and a jet in [[Lost and Found]] was an interesting one, possibly implying that Blitzwing wasn't a Triple Changer to begin with, and perhaps that other Animated-era Transformers can take on multiple forms if they just scan other vehicles. He's usually only a tank when he's in hothead mode, and only a jet when in his colder, calculating personality, so if a requirement to being a Triple Changer is having a few bolts loose, maybe that's not a road other Transformers wish to take.

* His German accent was a last-minute idea by [[Bumper Robinson|Robinson]].

* Blitzwing is a play on ''Blitzkreig'' as well as the Blitz which may be how he got that accent.

==Footnotes==
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Talk:Swindle (Animated)

2008-06-01T21:27:55Z

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A Fistful of Energon

2008-06-01T18:50:24Z

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[[Image:A Fistful of Energon.jpg|thumb|300px|"Space. The final. Frontier..."]]
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'''Prowl goes off on his own to capture the fugitive Starscream, but finds some competition in the form of a Decepticon bounty hunter. '''

==Summary==
As the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]'s ship proceeds on its journey, an explosion rocks the hull, and out flies [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], declaring vengeance against [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] once again.

On [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] are on the lookout for their feral friends in response to reports of some rampaging going on. Prowl has been sent along with [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] EMP generator and some [[stasis cuffs]], but doubts he will need them since the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]] are such gentle spirits when left alone and he has always been able to reason with them. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] soon contradicts Prowl's perspective by charging into the clearing like an angry rhino. Prowl is still determined to take it easy on the big guy until Grimlock's jaws get dangerously close to a nest filled with adorable little baby birdies. Using an EMP blast, Prowl quickly incapacitates Grimlock.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-ProwlEMPGenerator.jpg|left|thumb|We can use my wrist thingy
to track Bender's [[Personality component|brain]].]]

Prowl and Bulkhead are both surprised that it came to that, but Prowl rationalizes that he did what he had to do to save the little birds. At this point, he notices a thorn stuck in Grimlock's paw as the likely source of the Dinobot's extra aggression. With some advice from Ratchet over the comm, Prowl uses controlled bursts from the EMP to stabilize the affected area, and Bulkhead yanks out the spike. Grimlock sighs in relief, and everything is all better.

Before they can head home, however, [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] contacts the [[Autobot]] base with a message that Starscream has escaped and was last seen headed back to Earth. They would have sent that message sooner, but it seems [[Mission Accomplished|their tachyon transmitter has gone missing]]. Megatron, who has been intercepting the message, takes a look at his own tachyon transmitter and sarcastically wonders where the Autobots' could have gone. He then wastes no time putting out a bounty on the escaped [[Decepticon]] traitor.

Back on the island, Prowl is feeling pretty tough after taking down the big, bad Grimlock all by himself and is already contemplating a similar hunt for Starscream. At the very least, while they're in the neighborhood, he and Bulkhead use [[Teletran-1]]'s sensitive scanners to locate Starscream's [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragment...on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. Prowl believes they have everything they need to go after him right away, but Bulkhead reminds him that Starscream is a little out of their league if it's just the two of them. Prowl agrees, but as soon as Bulkhead is off the ship and his back is turned, Prowl takes off in the [[Autobot ship (Animated)|ship]]'s [[emergency shuttle]] by himself and heads for the Moon.

Prowl tracks the AllSpark fragment to the remains of the Decepticon warship. Optimus and Ratchet try to warn him how crazy his plan is and order him to return, but Prowl disregards them with some unconvincing fake static and heads inside the ship. He believes the mission of apprehending Starscream is best suited to a single bot built for stealth. Then, as he's sneaking around, his target finds him first. Way to use that stealth.

Before Starscream can fire his null ray, a well-placed shuriken disables it. The fight begins, and thanks to the EMP, Prowl manages to hold his own. Starscream eventually gets in a direct hit, but on a hologram. The real Prowl gets into position, and an EMP blast knocks out the Decepticon. As soon as the fugitive is stasis-cuffed, a newcomer walks up and offers to take the bounty off his hands. It's [[Lockdown]]...wearing a poncho? He and Prowl start to fight over the prize while Starscream comes to and heckles them from the sidelines. Neither combatant appreciates Starscream's comments, and both yell at him to shut up. He does, but as he's silent for about two seconds, they look back to notice it's because he escaped. Outside, Starscream (who is strangely brown-coloured) blasts Prowl's shuttle and flies off toward Earth. Lockdown decloaks his own ship and takes pursuit, with Prowl hitching a ride on the hull.

[[image:samprowl.jpg|thumb|Okay, let's ignore the fact that Samurai and Ninja are polar opposites, and bask in the total awesomeness that is Samurai Prowl.]]

Lockdown is finding it difficult to locate Starscream's Decepticon signal when Prowl ambushes him, deflecting a counter-attack with a shield mod borrowed from Lockdown's own display case. Once they're at a standstill, Prowl points out that he knows how to track Starscream's AllSpark fragment, but he'll need Lockdown's sensors to do it. Thus a partnership is created, and Lockdown offers his new friend a few more upgrades to make sure they get the job done right.

Lockdown's ship touches down in Detroit and disguises itself as a building again. Lockdown and Prowl transform and roll out, with Prowl enjoying the feel of his new samurai armor/sidecar. They track the signal to a highway where Starscream is cowering beneath a bridge. When they confront him, they notice he's acting considerably more cowardly than usual, and is painted considerably more purple. Prowl shows off his upgrades, flying circles around the fleeing Decepticon and eventually taking him down with an EMP blast. Lockdown is impressed. With the bounty secured, he contacts Megatron and sets up a meeting at an abandoned warehouse. Prowl is shocked to learn the two-faced bounty hunter he'd partnered with had been working for someone evil and attempts to cross him. However, Lockdown ''double''-crosses Prowl, tying him up with a bola, and drives off with his bounty in tow.

The other Autobots show up to untie their errant companion and chew him out, but Prowl is more interested in continuing pursuit of Starscream. The rest of the team follow, but point out that Prowl is starting to sound too much like Lockdown, as the mods are going to his head.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-StarscreamPurpleclone.jpg|left|thumb|Has the Allspark Power line ended yet? Is it safe for redecos to come out now?]]

They almost catch up with Lockdown and the purple Starscream when they're stopped on the road by the arrival of ''another'' Starscream. This one sports a brown and off-white color scheme and a sneaky, manipulative personality. He attempts to negotiate a pact with the Autobots to work together and destroy Megatron, but Prowl turns down the offer and attacks. Using his new arsenal, he leads, disarms, and disables the brown Screamer. It's a cool but messy victory. Ratchet scolds Prowl for not just taking him out with a single EMP blast. Prowl attests that his way was more fun, but Ratchet points out all the collateral damage he caused, including a knocked down bird's nest with its eggs broken all over the sidewalk. Prowl feels awful upon realizing what he has done, but puts it aside. Chasing Lockdown is still more important.

The Autobots crash the Decepticons' warehouse meeting, and a Cybertronian standoff occurs. Then, when Megatron notices there are two Starscreams, he demands an explanation. The clones open their cockpits to reveal a pair of ticking time bombs. The real Starscream's voice announces that it was all part of his plan to take his enemies all out at once. Megatron isn't about to sit around and be blown up, though, so he shoots the skylight and calls for the Decepticons to transform and rise up. The bad guys escape, but the good guys can't let the bombs just explode or the blast would take out half the city. Prowl gets an idea and uses his mods to weld the Starscreams together and jam their jets on so they rocket straight up into the atmosphere. The explosion doesn't harm the city (besides setting off a lot of car alarms) but does do a number on the fleeing Decepticons.

[[image:Lotta_starscreams.jpg|right|thumb|[[Wikipedia:Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones|Begun, the Clone War has.]]]]

While Lockdown is escaping from the planet again, he contacts Prowl and offers a permanent partnership, since they're so much alike. Prowl turns down the offer, claiming it was fun while it lasted, but the super-charged bounty hunter life just wasn't his style. With all his upgrades shorted out or gone, Prowl detaches the one mod that got out without a scratch, Ratchet's EMP generator, and returns it to its rightful owner.

Later, Starscream sits within his new base aboard the wreckage of the [[Nemesis (Animated)|Decepticon warship]] and watches an announcement from Megatron stating that the bounty on the fugitive has been increased, but whoever captures him had better make sure it's the real deal. Starscream himself is furious that his trap failed, but it doesn't matter, as he has plenty more decoys where that came from...

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Andrew Robinson]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Matt Youngberg]], & [[Makoto Fuchigami]]
*'''Original airdate:'''
*'''Animation company:''' [[Mook]]

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s

! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (1)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (2)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (3)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (9)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (10)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (11)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (4)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (12)
*[[Lugnut]] (13)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Icy Blitzwing]] (14)<ref>Yes, it's true. Blitzwing went the entire episode without switching personalities.</ref>
*[[Lockdown]] (15)
*[[Starscream clone]]s (16, 17)
|}

==Quotes==
''[Ratchet and Prime are communicating with Prowl over the radio]'' 
'''Ratchet''': "Prowl, any sign of the Dinobots?" 
'''Prowl''': "Negative, Ratchet. I'm starting to think those reports of rampages were nothing but exaggeration." 
'''Optimus''': "We're not taking any chance, Prowl. That's why I had Ratchet lend you his EMP generator and those stasis cuffs." 
'''Prowl''': "Still, I hardly think they're necessary. The Dinobots are territorial, but if left alone, they're perfectly happy." 
''[Grimlock roars, then runs out of the forest, charging the Autobots]'' 
'''Bulkhead''': "He doesn't look too happy to me!" 
:{{m-}}The Autobots are Dinobot hunting...and things are not going well.

"Me Grimlock...''better''." 
:{{m-}}'''Grimlock''' after Bulkhead removes the spike, but before he passes out.

"I'm afraid Sari and Bumblebee left on an important fact-finding mission this morning. To someplace called... 'Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom'."
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' gets duped.

"Personally, I've always found Bumblebee's fake static to be a lot more convincing."
:{{m-}}'''Ratchet''' doesn't get duped.

'''Starscream''': You call this a fight? I'll rust before someone wins! And I'm in a vacuum. 
'''Prowl''' and '''Lockdown''': Will you keep quiet?!
:{{m-}}Prowl and Lockdown tell Starscream where to stick it.

"No! No, please! Leave me alone!" 
"Maybe it's me, but that doesn't sound like the Starscream I know..."
:{{m-}}His reaction to '''Starscream-Purple's''' plea for mercy leaves one wondering if '''Lockdown''' has ever met the real Screamer...

'''Starscream-Brown''': "Well, if it isn't my favorite band of plucky little Autobots." 
'''Optimus''': "Autobots, prepare for battle!" 
'''Starscream-Brown''': "Wait, you misunderstand. Noble Optimus Prime, wise Ratchet, stealthy Prowl and ''mighty''...eh..." 
'''Bulkhead''': "Bulkhead!" 
'''Starscream-Brown''': "Ooh, that's too bad."
:{{m-}} "Starscream" gives his sympathy

"Did you really think I would offer so little a challenge? I allowed you to capture these ''clones'' to fulfill my plan to eliminate you all! Especially you, MegaFOOL! Mwa-hah-ha-ha-ha! In moments you will be blown to bits, and I will become the Supreme Leader of ALL DECEPTICONS!"
:{{m-}} Speaking through his clones, the real '''Starscream's''' speech-making tendencies are undimmed, even if he now prefers to do it from a safe distance.

==Other notes==
===Animation errors===
[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Grimlockfootshard.jpg|right|thumb|So painful, resting in between my toes harmlessly!]]
* The large spike stuck in Grimlock's foot is nowhere to be seen in the full-body shots previous to Prowl discovering it.
* The dialogue suggests that the spike is jammed through Grimlock's foot, but the animation shows it merely stuck between his toes.
* When Lockdown first appears, his head is missing the design across his forehead.

===Continuity errors===
*When Starscream tells them he'll rust, in a ''vacuum'', Lockdown and Prowl tell him to shut up, an action that should be impossible, given that sound cannot carry in space. In fact, during all the time spent in space, the characters interact with each other as if they were under atmospheric conditions - of course, they could have open commlinks to each other.
*Near the episode's end, Lockdown's rubsign insignia is distinctly Autobot.

===Transformers references===
* The Starscream clones are, of course, a reference to the [[Seeker]]s of [[Generation 1]], most notable for being hordes of disposable Decepticons in "[[More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1|More Than Meets The Eye]]" (and then kinda vanishing save for [[Rainmakers|rare appearances later]]).

===Real-world references===
*This episode contains numerous references to [[Wikipedia:Fistful of Dollars|''A Fistful of Dollars'']], including the title, Lockdown wearing a poncho in his first appearance, and the Mexican standoff scene in the warehouse.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdowninponcho.jpg|right|thumb|Space banditos? Never heard of them.]]

*''A Fistful of Dollars'' is, in turn, a Western adaptation of ''[[Wikipedia:Yojimbo (film)|Yojimbo]]'', which also accounts for Prowl's samurai armor.

*Grimlock's foot problem recalls "The Lion and the Mouse", an Aesop's fable about a mouse who befriends a lion by pulling a thorn out of his paw. Or the tale of the Christian Saint Jerome, whose life was saved by the lion he'd helped when he later encountered it in a Roman circus. Or the story of Androcles and the Lion...it's been done a lot.

*Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Six Flags|Six Flags]] chain of amusement parks and possibly [[Wikipedia:Magic Kingdom|Magic Kingdom]] as well.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* This episode was first aired in Dubai.

*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] are absent from this episode, with Optimus saying that they're on an "important fact-finding mission" (an amusement park). Therefore, we don't get to see if Sari's hair grew back since [[Rise of the Constructicons|last episode]].

*It seems that since the [[Rise of the Constructicons|events of the last episode]] Bulkhead has grown a taste for oil, as he can be seen drinking it when he and Prowl are first on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]].

*[[Lugnut|Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], on the other hand, appear but say nothing, as do [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] and even [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. Result!

*The clones seem to embody elements of Starscream's personality, the purple Starscream representing Starscream's cowardice and the reddish-brown Starscream representing Starscream's manipulative and deceitful nature.

*Both altered-color clones use Starscream's original colors as a base, but the deceitful one runs towards "hotter" colors playing up the red and white (a little devilish, perhaps?), while the cowardly one has colors more on the "cold" end, leaning into purple and stony grey.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdownwithhelmet.jpg|right|thumb|I can't believe they ran out of voice-changer helmets!]]
*So Prowl finds a sidecar in Lockdown's ship that's in his color scheme and is capable of becoming samurai-esque armour, and wears it for the majority of the episode. [[To sell toys|Wonder why that is]].

* The other Autobots, and eventually Prowl as well, treat his upgrades as a bad thing. In the story, this makes sense because Lockdown acquires his trophies by hacking them off other Transformers, a practice the other characters had [[The Thrill of the Hunt|previously shown]] to find extremely distasteful (at best). Oddly, this goes against [[retool|everything Hasbro wants us to believe]].

*So...where did Starscream get the clones from? Ultra Magnus' comment suggests Starscream's escape actually happened some time ago [[Units of time|(depending on how long a deca-cycle is in ''Animated'')]]. Then again, Starscream did have 50 years of spare time on his hands.

*While Ratchet seems to be the moral compass of this episode, the day is only saved by Prowl's use of his upgrades.

*Apparently Starscream put a few extra zeros in when programming the timer on the clones. His plot might have worked if he hadn't given Megatron three minutes to run away.

*How come both the Autobots and the Decepticons failed to tell the differences between the clone Starscreams and the real deal? Are there already Seekers we haven't seen yet that they encountered before?

*It's not the first time in ''Animated'' that an Autobot [[Nanosec (episode)|sacrifices a new upgrade to launch a bomb that could destroy Detroit into upper atmosphere]].

*Exactly WHY does Lockdown wear a poncho?

*[[Michael Bay|Because it's AWESOME, that's why. *kaboom*]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Fistful of Energon}}
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First Encounter

2008-06-01T18:23:29Z

(Undecided): Spelling

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{{disambig2|Armada episode|Armada comic story|First Encounter (comic issue)}}
{{episodenav|armada|1|prev=|next=Metamorphosis}}

This is the first episode of the [[Transformers: Armada]] cartoon series, introducing some of the main characters, such as Rad who likes to pick up glowing things in cave and thinks he can hear a robot talking to him, Carlos, who likes to skateboard on giant rocks, and Alexis, who goes home on her own after school and watches earthquakes on her computer. A very average bunch then...

==Summary==

The episode opens with a brief history of the universe and the Autobot and Decepticon war (in the [[Unicron Trilogy]] continuity). It states that Transformers were sent out as explorers, by a [[Primus|"unique digital entity"]] and that one of the first planets inhabited was [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. It also states they were at war with one another over tiny (human sized) robots named [[Mini-Con]]s, who were used as tools to boost power. Eventually they were awakened by an internal protocol and joined forces to resist domination by either [[Autobot]]s or [[Decepticon]]s. After a long war the Autobots and Decepticons called a truce. A craft was constructed for the Minicons and blasted into space to stop them being used in another war. It traveled for millions of years until it collided with Earth's [[Moon]], and crashed into [[Earth]]. They lay dormant for millions of years, due to terrain shifting on top of their ship. It then cuts to the present day. [[Image:ArmadaPrime_firstappearance.jpg|right|thumb|Just look at that thousand light-year stare.]]

A human named [[Rad_White|Rad]] introduces himself and his friend [[Carlos_Lopez|Carlos]]. They go to school and meet a girl named [[Alexis]]. Rad asks her if she wants to come with them to explore a cave, but she rejects him. They then meet and argue with 2 boys named [[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] and [[Fred (Armada)|Fred]]. They then head to class for the day.

After school they race up the mountain to the cave. Billy and Fred follow them using a locater stuck to Rad's bike. Rad and Carlos head into the cave, using a rope, and a trail of rocks to mark their path. Billy and Fred follow them at a distance, and accidentally destroy part of the trail. Rad and Carlos dislodge a large slab of rock which they ride down into a cave filled with the wreckage of the Mini-Con spaceship. Billy and Fred are lost, having been scared by some bats. Rad finds a [[Mini-Con storage panel]], and picks it up. This activates a beacon, which causes an earthquake. Alexis notices the earthquake and heads off to investigate the cave. The beacon disables the geological station's computers. Then the beacon is shown firing out of the cave, in three parts, one red, one purple and one green. The green part of it activates the spaceship wreckage on the moon, causing Mini-Con panels across earth to activate. The other two portions of the beacon alert the Autobots and Decepticons on Cybertron to the location of the Mini-Cons.

Back on Earth Rad and Carlos exit the cave, and meet Alexis, only to be confronted by [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], a Decepticon commander. The Mini-Con panel Rad has activates, and [[Highwire]] emerges. Highwire scans Rad's bike and reforms himself so he can transform into a bicycle. Rad can almost understand him, and the three ride Highwire to try and escape Megatron. Megatron flicks a boulder at them which knocks them off Highwire. Megatron demands they give him Highwire. At the last moment [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] teleports in and grapples with Megatron.

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' ???

'''Written by:''' [[Ryo Motohira]] (もとひら了, ''Motohira Ryo'')

'''Directed by:''' [[Hidehito Ueda]] (うえだひでひと, ''Ueda Hidehito'')

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (9)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (8)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" | '''Regulars'''
*[[Rad White]] (1)
*[[Carlos Lopez]] (2)
*[[Alexis]] (3)

'''Guests'''
*[[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] (4)
*[[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] (5)
*Homeroom teacher (6)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Highwire]] (7)

|}

==Quotes==
''"Would you hurry up, they've probably gone home already!"'' 
''"Hey! You don't have to yell at me, I got feelings too, ya know! I-I'm trying my hardest, but no, nothings ever good enough for you!"'' 
''"Aw, quit your bellyaching!"'' 
''"My therapist says I don't have to take this from you because you're not the boss of me! Besides, I'm getting hungry again."''
:-- '''Billy''' and '''Fred''' arrive at the cave '''Rad''' and '''Carlos''' are exploring

'''Megatron:''' ''"You have something of mine."'' 
'''Alexis:''' ''"We have what?"'' 
'''Megatron:''' ''"Give it back ''immediately'' or you shall suffer the consequences."'' 
'''Rad:''' ''"Oh... great."'' 
'''Megatron:''' ''"I have given you your chance, Earthling."'' 
:-- Megatron giving chances?! Unthinkable!

''"''Stand down'', Megatron!"''
:-- The line that made a room full of fans cheer at [[BotCon 2002]], '''Optimus Prime''' appears

==Other Notes==
===Animation and/or technical glitches===
* The narrator at the beginning of this episode uses lightyears as a unit of time measurement, when it's actually a unit of distance measurement. This mistake periodically reappeared throughout the ''Armada'' series as well as the ''Energon'' sequel series.

===Continuity errors===
*

===Transformers references===
* The narrator mentions a 'unique digital entity' coming into being and creating a race of living machines to explore the galaxy, making it the first reference to [[Primus]] in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].
* '''Many''' ''Generation 1'' character models are used as generic Autobot and Decepticons during the scenes on Cybertron. This trend would continue throughout the series for all scenes with random Transformers set on Cybertron.
* This episode marks the first time that a variation of the original ''Generation 1'' theme music has been used as the main theme for a ''Transformers'' series since the ''Generation 1'' television series.

===Real-world references===
*

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Billy and Fred appear in this episode as recurring guest characters, but later become part of the regular human cast. According to the [[Micron Legend Yearbook 2003]], the producers of the Armada cartoon kept meaning to write Billy and Fred out of the series, but ultimately never got around to it. Their staying through to the end of the show was, thus, wholly unintentional.

===Keywords===
*

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Fusion cannon

2008-06-01T02:16:43Z

(Undecided): /* Animated */

{{disambig3|Cannon}}

[[Image:MTMtE Part3 ExtinctiontoallTraitors.jpg|right|thumb|250px|A release of lubricant is quite common when seeing this.]]
The '''Fusion Cannon''' is [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s ultimate weapon. It is attached to his right arm and is devastatingly powerful, as demonstrated by its sudden removal of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'s head. (It's at least as powerful as [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s [[Media:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|hands]], then.) It strikes fear into the [[spark]]s of both the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, for any who challenge it will surely fail.

Except [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Only he appears to be able to survive a shot from the fusion cannon, considering how many times Megatron has shot Prime.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics====
Presumably, this cannon is powered by some sort of <strike>nukular</strike> nuclear fusion reaction. Sometimes Megatron has been able to link up extradimensionally to a black hole to augment this power, increasing it astronomically, and making him look real cool and [[Ripped Up Space|space-rippy]] in the process. Most bodacious!

[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had a big cannon, too, but it didn't work by fusion.

=====Generation 2=====
As part of an agreement with [[Cobra]], Megatron's body was rebuilt to resemble a human tank, with his fusion cannon being replaced with a magnetic rail gun.

====Generation 1 cartoon====
Megatron could remove his cannon from his main body. One time, [[Brawn]] stole it from him and used it against him. Megatron was not amused. {{storylink|Fire on the Mountain}}

Fusion cannons are also oddly useful when you just wanna kick [[Starscream (G1)|your lieutenant]] for shooting you in the back but don't want to have to walk over to him...yeah, we don't question that. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

====IDW====
The fusion cannon was a gift from Starscream {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}. How ironic how Megatron decided to pay him back a few hundred thousand years later by blowing a huge hole in his torso {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6}}.

===Beast Wars===
*Megatron loved his fusion cannon so much, he had another fusion cannon installed on the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. The blast radius from the weapon is massive. Most kickass. It requires a power up time to fire again. Less kickass. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

*Although not Megatron's, according to Beast Wars, the Ark's cannon ''was'' a fusion cannon. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}

===Beast Machines===
[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s personal chariot, [[Mechatron]], comes equipped with a fusion cannon to nullify any accursed Maximal that comes across.

===Transformers (2007 Film)===
[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s cannon is presumably telescopic, as he keeps it stored in his left arm when not in use. Its powerful blast is enough to knock [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] back three city blocks and requires Megatron to use both arms to steady the aim. Because Megatron is always concerned about collateral damage. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

===Animated===
[[Image:Mission Accomplished Starscream death 3.jpg|thumb|Given time, Starscream may simply develop an immunity to the cannon.]]
[[Megatron (Animated) |Megatron]]'s iconic cannon served admirably as a cutting torch when Megatron sought to gain access to the [[Autobot ship (Animated)|Autobots' ship]]. <ref>Use of sound-effects from the original cartoon only served to enhance the weapon's coolness.</ref> {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}. After Megatron's revival his newly rebuilt fusion cannon proved even more effective against the Autobot ship, knocking it clean out of the sky in under a minute with some help from [[Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}} It was last seen repeatedly killing the newly-immortal [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]].

Notably Megatron has only fired four shots directly at the Autobots, missing each time, the writers are likely reluctant to have half the cast atomized in the space of five seconds.

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Fusion cannon

2008-06-01T01:49:32Z

(Undecided): /* Animated */ Removed small section on the swords, it only happens with the cybertronic form toy and his swords are rotor blades in his Earth form and as such are not relavent

{{disambig3|Cannon}}

[[Image:MTMtE Part3 ExtinctiontoallTraitors.jpg|right|thumb|250px|A release of lubricant is quite common when seeing this.]]
The '''Fusion Cannon''' is [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s ultimate weapon. It is attached to his right arm and is devastatingly powerful, as demonstrated by its sudden removal of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]'s head. (It's at least as powerful as [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]'s [[Media:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|hands]], then.) It strikes fear into the [[spark]]s of both the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, for any who challenge it will surely fail.

Except [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Only he appears to be able to survive a shot from the fusion cannon, considering how many times Megatron has shot Prime.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics====
Presumably, this cannon is powered by some sort of <strike>nukular</strike> nuclear fusion reaction. Sometimes Megatron has been able to link up extradimensionally to a black hole to augment this power, increasing it astronomically, and making him look real cool and [[Ripped Up Space|space-rippy]] in the process. Most bodacious!

[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had a big cannon, too, but it didn't work by fusion.

=====Generation 2=====
As part of an agreement with [[Cobra]], Megatron's body was rebuilt to resemble a human tank, with his fusion cannon being replaced with a magnetic rail gun.

====Generation 1 cartoon====
Megatron could remove his cannon from his main body. One time, [[Brawn]] stole it from him and used it against him. Megatron was not amused. {{storylink|Fire on the Mountain}}

Fusion cannons are also oddly useful when you just wanna kick [[Starscream (G1)|your lieutenant]] for shooting you in the back but don't want to have to walk over to him...yeah, we don't question that. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

====IDW====
The fusion cannon was a gift from Starscream {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}. How ironic how Megatron decided to pay him back a few hundred thousand years later by blowing a huge hole in his torso {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6}}.

===Beast Wars===
*Megatron loved his fusion cannon so much, he had another fusion cannon installed on the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. The blast radius from the weapon is massive. Most kickass. It requires a power up time to fire again. Less kickass. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

*Although not Megatron's, according to Beast Wars, the Ark's cannon ''was'' a fusion cannon. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}

===Beast Machines===
[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s personal chariot, [[Mechatron]], comes equipped with a fusion cannon to nullify any accursed Maximal that comes across.

===Transformers (2007 Film)===
[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s cannon is presumably telescopic, as he keeps it stored in his left arm when not in use. Its powerful blast is enough to knock [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] back three city blocks and requires Megatron to use both arms to steady the aim. Because Megatron is always concerned about collateral damage. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

===Animated===
[[Image:Mission Accomplished Starscream death 3.jpg|thumb|Given time, Starscream may simply develop an immunity to the cannon.]]
[[Megatron (Animated) |Megatron]]'s iconic cannon served admirably as a cutting torch when Megatron sought to gain access to the Autobots' ship. <ref>Use of sound-effects from the original cartoon only served to enhance the weapon's coolness.</ref> {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}. It was last seen repeatedly killing the newly-immortal [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]].

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Talk:Little girl (Movie)

2008-05-31T07:12:04Z

(Undecided): /* Worth keeping? */

I presume that this character is only identified as "Little Girl" in the script, but would it be possible to give her a slightly less generic name for the purposes of this wiki? (Like, say, "Tooth Fairy girl", maybe?)--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 20:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:The name's from the credits, actually. I like sticking to officially-given names, but I won't fuss if the page's moved. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::If she ever needs disambiguation, she can be "Little girl (Tooth Fairy girl)" or somesuch . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Worth keeping? ==

I don't mean to be cranky, but is there any reason to have this page? There is pretty much zero content here. She was only present for comic relief/cuteness, I don't see any reason to have an article on such a minor character. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 23:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Have you ever looked around at this wiki? Ridiculously minor stuff is our stock in trade. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:43, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, but that stuff is funny! In all seriousness I just think this subject is a little too obscure, it doesn't seem worth having an article on characters that barely get a single line. However I won't pout if people want the article to stay. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 07:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Little girl (Movie)

2008-05-30T23:21:28Z

(Undecided): /* Worth keeping? */ new section

I presume that this character is only identified as "Little Girl" in the script, but would it be possible to give her a slightly less generic name for the purposes of this wiki? (Like, say, "Tooth Fairy girl", maybe?)--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 20:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
:The name's from the credits, actually. I like sticking to officially-given names, but I won't fuss if the page's moved. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:31, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::If she ever needs disambiguation, she can be "Little girl (Tooth Fairy girl)" or somesuch . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Worth keeping? ==

I don't mean to be cranky, but is there any reason to have this page? There is pretty much zero content here. She was only present for comic relief/cuteness, I don't see any reason to have an article on such a minor character. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 23:21, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Hasbro

2008-05-30T06:14:41Z

(Undecided): /* Relationship with fandom */ More links

[[Image:Hasbrologo.jpg|thumb|130px|right|Making the world transform.]]

'''Hasbro''' is a [[toy]] company, and owner of the [[Transformers brand]] in most markets outside of Japan, where it is owned by [[TakaraTomy]].

==History==
[[Image:Hasbrooldlogo.jpg|thumb|75px|left|Siamese twins at home.]]Hasbro was originally founded in 1923 as "Hassenfeld Brothers" by brothers Henry and Helal Hassenfeld from Rhode Island. The company originally sold textile remnants, but soon moved into manufacturing pencil boxes and school supplies.

In 1952, Hasbro first rose to fame with a little toy called [[Optimash Prime|Mr. Potato Head]]. You might have heard of it. The company went so far as to purchase advertising time for the toy on a newfangled invention called television. You might have heard of that, too.

In 1964, Hasbro had an even greater success with the original [[G.I. Joe]] toy designed by Don Levine, which caused Hassenfeld Bros. to grow to be one of the largest toy companies in the USA. In 1968, the company would change its name to "Hasbro Industries, Inc."

Through a series of importing licenses and spin-offs, G.I. Joe would ultimately lead to the [[Microman]] and [[Diaclone]] toylines by Japanese toymaker [[Takara]], which in turn would lead to Hasbro's release of the original Transformers toyline in 1984.

In 1984, Hasbro would also buy out a competing toy company named [[Milton Bradley]] (MB), which whould result in the merged company briefly assuming the name "Hasbro Bradley, Inc." After the merger was completed, the company changed its name into simply "Hasbro, Inc." Milton Bradley's European facilities would also be used to manufacture the initial wave of [[toy|Transformers toys]] to be released in Europe before the merger was completed. (See also: [[Generation 1 Europe (toyline)]].)

In 1995, Hasbro transferred control of the Transformers franchise to its [[Kenner]] subsidiary, then phased out the Kenner brand in 2000.

==Hasbro today==

===Employees===
* [[Brian Goldner]], Chief Executive Officer
* [[Alfred J. Verrecchia]], Chairman of the Board

====Boy's Toys====
* [[Joe Kyde]], Designer (Boy's Toys, Exclusive Division)

=====Transformers Brand=====
* [[Greg Lombardo]], Sr.Director of Marketing
* [[Aaron Archer]], Sr. Design Director
* [[Eric Siebenaler]], Lead Designer
* [[Jared Wade]], Design Director
* [[William Rawley]], Sr. Designer
* [[Vickie Stratford]], Sr. Design Project Manager

===Relationship with fandom===

[[Image:Hasbrotour-fleshlesskitty.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hasbro showed they love the fans by giving a tour of their offices during [[BotCon 2007]]. Hasbro showed they hate the fans by including '''this'''!]]

[[Fandom|Fandom's]] relationship with Hasbro is as paradoxical and confusing as our relationships with our [[Wikipedia:Alcoholism|parents]]. They are an incredible source of joy and happiness, as well as the focal point of rage and blame for pretty much everyone in the Transformers community. To much of the fandom, Hasbro's actual involvement in the Transformers franchise is rarely acknowledged when not negative. Many view their activities to subsist entirely of:

* Slapping fans in the face.
* [[Trukk not munky|Getting things all wrong]].
* Screwing up Takara's toys.
* [[Redeco|Being Lazy]].
* [[To sell toys|Trying to make money]].
* [[Ruined FOREVER|Ruining everything forever]].

When they found the time to create and maintain a successful, celebrated franchise that was the basis of nearly 25 years of obsession and happiness for the exact same fans is unknown.

===Questionable brand decisions===

* Hasbro now recognizes that abruptly and graphically killing off nearly all of the 1984-85 cast in the [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|animated movie]] was a mistake that hurt the brand. They've learned their lesson, and now mostly kill relative [[Blackout (Movie)|nobodies]]. <ref>[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2007-06-28-transformers-main_n.htm USA Today: "Transformers: From Toy Story to Serious Art?"]</ref>

* Hasbro was eager to make the move to [[multilingual packaging]], and its representatives were always prepared with responses to fan complaints about how ugly and uninformative it was. Then those representatives themselves noticed how ugly it was, so the packaging returned to normal.

* At times, Hasbro has been willing to allow the broadcast of clearly incomplete or poorly-constructed [[Energon (cartoon)|advertising media]].

==Trivia==
* The [[Decepticon]] [[Flamewar]] collects Hasbro memorabilia.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

==External Links==
*[http://www.hasbro.com/ Hasbro's official website]

[[Category:Companies]]
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Talk:Transformers Animated (cartoon)

2008-05-30T06:00:28Z

(Undecided): /* Changing Characters Section. Oy. */

==Cybertron Modes==

Anyone else think that we should add images of all the Cybertron forms in the profile pages

:Sounds like a fantastic idea. please sign your comments--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Wasp, Warp and Swind==

Ok, anyone got a link confirming these three. Cause I know Waspy was just a rumour to start off with, and Skywarp and Swindle are completely new to me[[User:GWolfv2]]
: http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12617& , but it's STILL a rumour. We should wait for an official statement. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 16:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::Or at least until we know which factions the new characters are. Skywarp we can take for granted, but the other two? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==Mixmaster==

Is this confirmed?
*I believe this info came from the same person who posted a lot of the design sheets on different message boards. I'd assume he's in the know if he got his hands on those, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd call it official. [[User:Koh4711|Koh4711]] 02:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Waspinator? ==

When has there been any mention of him appearing?
*David Kaye talked about Waspinator appearing in the show during BotCon '07. -[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 01:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
*He wasn't confirmed in anyway though. And as far as I can tell, there's nowhere in the episode guide that introduces him

Yeah, I don't really think that we should have him there right now. Hope to god he's in though. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
*sooooo...Ironhide is not one of the Cybertrons Elite Guards anymore now that he got placed in the normal cast of autobots?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 16:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== UK Intro ==

I was watching TF:A in the UK and noticed that the intro has gained the adition of two red bars at the top and bottom of the screen, these are not in the versions i have downloaded... is this because of the change from NTSC to PAL or is it because they were animated in 16x9 while the rest of the show is 4x3?

==Season 3?==
"Season 3 is already in the works and season 4 is quite possible"--where was that ever confirmed? I thought we hadn't heard anything about the cartoon past "A Bridge Too Close." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:Either Botcon or Comicon, if I recall. Mentioned that 1 and 2 were already in the can (and we know why now, given the way they're being aired back to back) and that they were taking this all the way.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cast List & Non-Show Characters ==

We have probably reached the point where the cast list on this page should be pruned of characters who haven't actually appeared in the show, like Blurr and Laserbeak. Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 17:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there is the possiblity of Blurr in Velocity, but I think Laserbeak can go for now. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::Laserbeak is being planned for S3 apparently [[User:GWolfv2]]
:::Our general rule is that we wait for things to actually happen before putting them in the wiki, n'est-ce pas? [[User:JW|JW]] 19:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::How about Oil Slick? He was designed to be a toy only character. And I have a hunch, so does Jetfire & Jetstrom. Where do we put them? --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 11:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::They're in [[:Category:Animated characters]] and [[:Category:Toy-only characters]]. That's the way we normally handle toy-only characters. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, toy-only characters might be found under.... oh, I dunno... maybe... [[Animated (toyline)]]? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Once again, barring dissent, I'm going to go through the cast list and prune it of characters who haven't ''already appeared'' in the show. That way we don't try to predict who's a toy-only character, and we don't post stuff in advance of official announcements. Toy characters go on [[Animated (toyline)]], and all characters go in [[:Category:Animated characters]], but the cast list is for people who ''have appeared.'' Dissent? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Criminy ==

Every time a writer or voice actor mentions someone as a "possibility" we have to spend three months removing them from the cast list. Now, it begins for Galvatron and Ratbat. And they're still talking about Waspinator as a "possibility" so we're still dealing with that one.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Making new pages for episodes...? ==

So I was thinking I would try my hand at actually creating a page and adding some real content. I was gonna do it for Black Friday since it doesn't have a page, but I wanted to make sure there wasn't some rule against doing this for episodes that haven't aired yet, even though they already showed this one at Botcon. --[[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 06:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:We have a 30 day moratorium on 'club-exclusive' material. (So people don't just rush here and reach rephrased synopses instead of signing up. Also because if you opt for the cheap shipping your stuff arrives later.) In that instance, the material being 'protected' by the moratorium increases in value (for Fun Pub) because it is protected. Black Friday is not a club exclusive (it was a con exclusive,) refraining from documenting it does not increase its value- or offer any secondary value to people who sign up for the collector's club in the future (unlike other club premiums, future members will never 'get' to watch he episode early again.)
:The Botcon airing of Black Friday doesn't seem to be protected for any of the reasons we normally protect stuff. I'd say 'go ahead' unless someone else voices an objection. -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 07:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say go for it, just use a spoiler tag. We had synopses for episodes that were essentially Canadian exclusive, at least for a week. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. No spoiler tags in episode articles. If you're too stupid to realize that an article about the episode itself contains spoilers, then nothing can help you. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm gonna disagree here, just on the off chance that someone clicks "random page" and winds up on the Black Friday page. The spoiler alert will give them time to get somewhere else before seeing something they might not want to. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree with Hooper. Having gone through the BW time when assholes spoiled things left and right in a big HEY I GOTS INSIDE INFO DIG ME douchebaggery festival, I'm all for making sure accidental spoilers don't happen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I invite all of you to [[Transformers Wiki Talk: Spoilers]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I don't see how that's not accomplished by the navbox at the top that clearly states it's the 26th episode of ''Animated''. Or, y'know, the title. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::What about the page title "Garbage In Garbage Out" tells me that it's an unaired ''Animated'' episode, instead of some obscure storybook that I've never heard of or old comic book title that I've forgotten about? Spoiler warnings are common courtesy and have been since time immemorial (in Internet terms, anyway.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

==More cast revealed==
Creator Derrick has posted in his blog http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/ several faces of who appear to be, swindle, jetstorm, wreck gar, skywarp, shockwave, mixmaster, blurr, jetfire and thundercracker

Also, in the comments section he says and I quote
"About Gurren Lagann: No, actually. I hadn't seen Gurren Lagann until after we had finished most of the first season of TFA. I wish I had, because I would have had the Headmaster robot transform with stubby little legs. And maybe Masterson's head popping up out of the top of the robot." {{unsigned|82.154.158.214|Revision as of 00:12, 30 April 2008}}
:Who thinks these characters should be added to the cast list? I mean, the are confirmed.{{unsigned|24.68.249.177|02:37, 2 May 2008}}
::Aside from Wreckgar, they haven't appeared yet. We're not adding people until they've had an episode appearance and a confirmed voice actor (if they have speaking lines).--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

==Profile problem==

anyone else think a few of the profiles need to be tightened/tidied up. Magnus for example. Or Prime's(needs to be expandedd). They just feel like people have been adding stuff, instead of one steady piece of writing like profiles for other series...I've an idea for the ones I think need fixing, but rather get the go ahead before I have a go[[User:GWolfv2]]
:Don't really need approval. Pages usually need tightened up a bit after a few episodes air. Go for it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yep. That's called "dogpiling" and it's a real problem when new episodes are revealing more info about a character -- people just tack stuff on without looking at what's already written. Drives me nuts! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==Reception==

Simple Q: Should we add something about fan reaction, like we did with Sari's page. And I mean proper tuff, what's pleased, what was less well received. None of that rubbish about chins, or insulting fans or anything. Just, the reception section is fairly bare. {{unsigned|GWolfv2|19:50, 1 May 2008}}
:Please sign your posts, as instructed at the top of every Editing Talk screen. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

=="Always animated"==
I think one could make a compelling arguement that the previous four TV seriese ''weren't'' animated... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== What century is this? ==

I may just be forgetful in my old age, but have they ever made reference ''in the show'' to exactly when it takes place? 21st century, 22nd century? If so, in which episode? [[User:JW|JW]] 11:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:In "Blast from the Past," Isaac says his new circuitry will bring Dino Drive into the 22nd century. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::The packaging blurb on the back of the Transform and Roll Out DVD says 22nd century as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Excellent, the DVD is the sort of evidence I was looking for, thank you. (The BftP quote isn't conclusive; lots of people in the 1990s were talking about gearing up for the 21st century.) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Starscream Clones ==
'''''ADVANCED SPOILERS ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE WIKI, SHITSTAIN.''''' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Aaaand since the discussion got nuked, I'll just repost my last point which was not spoilerish. You're not getting what I'm saying, KrytenKoro. They were detonated because ''they were living bombs''. That's a bit different. Those two are likely not going to be back, or if they are they'll basically be clones based off of the same archetypes, not the same characters. The clones are inherently disposable. The G1 cast pages don't list every individual insecticon clone.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::glory be...anyway, I get what you're saying. However, by that tack we might as well remove all the Guest characters until they make multiple appearances. The Insecticon clones, as far as I understand, where "perfect" clones - same design, same personality, and more an ability then actual characters. The Starscream clones have different designs and personalities, and seem to be getting different toys. They have a named faction which plays as an important "third party" in the series, and may not all have the same voice actor. I get that, by the nature of their appearance they "probably" won't come back in the same capacity, but I still feel that they play a big enough role in that episode to be considered full characters, and that they are unique enough to not just be labeled "generic". However, if it will work as a compromise, could we at least list [[Starscream clone]]s as a cast "member"?
::Also, why did you put Lockdown back in the guest section? He doesn't at all fit the guidelines for it, since he has both multiple appearances and a named "group" (which I had to remove as an attempt at compromise, but still...).
::I don't want to preemptively edit before an agreement, so if you do agree, please tell me or perform the changes yourself.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I had to miss something while I was at work. I wanna know what the fuck happened that had this whole conversation blasted into oblivion. Seriously y'all, what the hell happened?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 02:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Spoilers. Spoilers happened.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Can I have a name of who spoiled something, or do we keep their names withheld? Or was it someone who didn't sign their name?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 02:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just check the diffs if you really must know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think its really appropriate to start off a section by addressing the reader as a "shitstain". its rather vulgar and clearly has no place in this discussion. (yea, i was serious!) Don't we have a rule against vulgarity on our quaint little wiki?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think it comes as no mystery at all that a great many of us are at our wits' end due to the freaking season finale spoilers that keep finding their way into the talkpages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::Understandable. I accidently watched a bridge to close on FanTransformers page on youtube. in doing so, i clearly ruined alot of stuff for myself...alot. Still, no need for vulgarity. I like to think we run a respectable establishment here at Teletraan-1. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 03:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think the Starscream clones need to be referred to as a cast member on the mainpage in any catagory, currently they are Macguffins rather than fully fledged characters even if they do seem to show an independent personality. I wouldn't mind if they were listed as cast in episodes they appear in, but as of "A fistful of energon" they have ''NO'' place in the main page. They are little more than a plot device to make Starscream a threat (and I'm all for that) as he is operating independently of the Decepticons with no one backing him up. If their characters are developed later on, then A.) that is spoilers, and as such should not be presented, or hinted at through formatting in this wiki until the episode in question airs in North America and B.) I will track down and break the fingers of anyone whomever spoils the season finale for me with their own keyboard (Okay not really, but I will be very very pissed off). A pox and rude language on the talk page of any offenders. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Changing Characters Section. Oy. ==

So, um, anyone want to restore stabiity to the "Cast" section? Lockdown in particular. I've forgotten what he IS, you've been changing him around too much. (Not really, but you get my drift.)
And while we're at it, I think that the Dinobots and Elite Guard might do better under "Guests". Or maybe not. Any feedback? [[User:Galvanisation|Galvanisation]] 12:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:We group them under their appropriate subgroupings when applicable, just to make it easy to link to the subgroup articles. What absolutely mystifies me though is that some users seem to think that a character being under "guests" is like the kiss of death around here. I just don't get the point of inventing some sort of "secondary cast" header or "bounty hunters" subgroup to keep Lockdown out of the "guests" list because he's been in ''two'' episodes instead of ''one''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::They seem to think of "Guest" in the G1 cartoon sense, that is little (or no) lines, maybe uses their "power" once or twice and disappears for the rest of the season leaving the viewer to wonder [[To sell toys|why they were in the episode in the first place]]. I guess most if us have just gotten used to characters either [[The Secret of Omega Supreme|being]] [[The Gambler|in]] [[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide|the]] [[Make Tracks|spotlight]] or ending up [[Load Hauler|as scenery]]. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 06:00, 30 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Transformers Animated (cartoon)

2008-05-30T05:44:10Z

(Undecided): /* Starscream Clones */

==Cybertron Modes==

Anyone else think that we should add images of all the Cybertron forms in the profile pages

:Sounds like a fantastic idea. please sign your comments--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Wasp, Warp and Swind==

Ok, anyone got a link confirming these three. Cause I know Waspy was just a rumour to start off with, and Skywarp and Swindle are completely new to me[[User:GWolfv2]]
: http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12617& , but it's STILL a rumour. We should wait for an official statement. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 16:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::Or at least until we know which factions the new characters are. Skywarp we can take for granted, but the other two? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==Mixmaster==

Is this confirmed?
*I believe this info came from the same person who posted a lot of the design sheets on different message boards. I'd assume he's in the know if he got his hands on those, but at the same time, I'm not sure I'd call it official. [[User:Koh4711|Koh4711]] 02:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Waspinator? ==

When has there been any mention of him appearing?
*David Kaye talked about Waspinator appearing in the show during BotCon '07. -[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 01:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
*He wasn't confirmed in anyway though. And as far as I can tell, there's nowhere in the episode guide that introduces him

Yeah, I don't really think that we should have him there right now. Hope to god he's in though. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:23, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
*sooooo...Ironhide is not one of the Cybertrons Elite Guards anymore now that he got placed in the normal cast of autobots?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 16:38, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== UK Intro ==

I was watching TF:A in the UK and noticed that the intro has gained the adition of two red bars at the top and bottom of the screen, these are not in the versions i have downloaded... is this because of the change from NTSC to PAL or is it because they were animated in 16x9 while the rest of the show is 4x3?

==Season 3?==
"Season 3 is already in the works and season 4 is quite possible"--where was that ever confirmed? I thought we hadn't heard anything about the cartoon past "A Bridge Too Close." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:Either Botcon or Comicon, if I recall. Mentioned that 1 and 2 were already in the can (and we know why now, given the way they're being aired back to back) and that they were taking this all the way.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cast List & Non-Show Characters ==

We have probably reached the point where the cast list on this page should be pruned of characters who haven't actually appeared in the show, like Blurr and Laserbeak. Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 17:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, there is the possiblity of Blurr in Velocity, but I think Laserbeak can go for now. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::Laserbeak is being planned for S3 apparently [[User:GWolfv2]]
:::Our general rule is that we wait for things to actually happen before putting them in the wiki, n'est-ce pas? [[User:JW|JW]] 19:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::How about Oil Slick? He was designed to be a toy only character. And I have a hunch, so does Jetfire & Jetstrom. Where do we put them? --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 11:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::They're in [[:Category:Animated characters]] and [[:Category:Toy-only characters]]. That's the way we normally handle toy-only characters. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, toy-only characters might be found under.... oh, I dunno... maybe... [[Animated (toyline)]]? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Once again, barring dissent, I'm going to go through the cast list and prune it of characters who haven't ''already appeared'' in the show. That way we don't try to predict who's a toy-only character, and we don't post stuff in advance of official announcements. Toy characters go on [[Animated (toyline)]], and all characters go in [[:Category:Animated characters]], but the cast list is for people who ''have appeared.'' Dissent? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Criminy ==

Every time a writer or voice actor mentions someone as a "possibility" we have to spend three months removing them from the cast list. Now, it begins for Galvatron and Ratbat. And they're still talking about Waspinator as a "possibility" so we're still dealing with that one.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Making new pages for episodes...? ==

So I was thinking I would try my hand at actually creating a page and adding some real content. I was gonna do it for Black Friday since it doesn't have a page, but I wanted to make sure there wasn't some rule against doing this for episodes that haven't aired yet, even though they already showed this one at Botcon. --[[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 06:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:We have a 30 day moratorium on 'club-exclusive' material. (So people don't just rush here and reach rephrased synopses instead of signing up. Also because if you opt for the cheap shipping your stuff arrives later.) In that instance, the material being 'protected' by the moratorium increases in value (for Fun Pub) because it is protected. Black Friday is not a club exclusive (it was a con exclusive,) refraining from documenting it does not increase its value- or offer any secondary value to people who sign up for the collector's club in the future (unlike other club premiums, future members will never 'get' to watch he episode early again.)
:The Botcon airing of Black Friday doesn't seem to be protected for any of the reasons we normally protect stuff. I'd say 'go ahead' unless someone else voices an objection. -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 07:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say go for it, just use a spoiler tag. We had synopses for episodes that were essentially Canadian exclusive, at least for a week. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. No spoiler tags in episode articles. If you're too stupid to realize that an article about the episode itself contains spoilers, then nothing can help you. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm gonna disagree here, just on the off chance that someone clicks "random page" and winds up on the Black Friday page. The spoiler alert will give them time to get somewhere else before seeing something they might not want to. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree with Hooper. Having gone through the BW time when assholes spoiled things left and right in a big HEY I GOTS INSIDE INFO DIG ME douchebaggery festival, I'm all for making sure accidental spoilers don't happen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I invite all of you to [[Transformers Wiki Talk: Spoilers]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I don't see how that's not accomplished by the navbox at the top that clearly states it's the 26th episode of ''Animated''. Or, y'know, the title. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:25, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::What about the page title "Garbage In Garbage Out" tells me that it's an unaired ''Animated'' episode, instead of some obscure storybook that I've never heard of or old comic book title that I've forgotten about? Spoiler warnings are common courtesy and have been since time immemorial (in Internet terms, anyway.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

==More cast revealed==
Creator Derrick has posted in his blog http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/ several faces of who appear to be, swindle, jetstorm, wreck gar, skywarp, shockwave, mixmaster, blurr, jetfire and thundercracker

Also, in the comments section he says and I quote
"About Gurren Lagann: No, actually. I hadn't seen Gurren Lagann until after we had finished most of the first season of TFA. I wish I had, because I would have had the Headmaster robot transform with stubby little legs. And maybe Masterson's head popping up out of the top of the robot." {{unsigned|82.154.158.214|Revision as of 00:12, 30 April 2008}}
:Who thinks these characters should be added to the cast list? I mean, the are confirmed.{{unsigned|24.68.249.177|02:37, 2 May 2008}}
::Aside from Wreckgar, they haven't appeared yet. We're not adding people until they've had an episode appearance and a confirmed voice actor (if they have speaking lines).--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:01, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

==Profile problem==

anyone else think a few of the profiles need to be tightened/tidied up. Magnus for example. Or Prime's(needs to be expandedd). They just feel like people have been adding stuff, instead of one steady piece of writing like profiles for other series...I've an idea for the ones I think need fixing, but rather get the go ahead before I have a go[[User:GWolfv2]]
:Don't really need approval. Pages usually need tightened up a bit after a few episodes air. Go for it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yep. That's called "dogpiling" and it's a real problem when new episodes are revealing more info about a character -- people just tack stuff on without looking at what's already written. Drives me nuts! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==Reception==

Simple Q: Should we add something about fan reaction, like we did with Sari's page. And I mean proper tuff, what's pleased, what was less well received. None of that rubbish about chins, or insulting fans or anything. Just, the reception section is fairly bare. {{unsigned|GWolfv2|19:50, 1 May 2008}}
:Please sign your posts, as instructed at the top of every Editing Talk screen. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

=="Always animated"==
I think one could make a compelling arguement that the previous four TV seriese ''weren't'' animated... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== What century is this? ==

I may just be forgetful in my old age, but have they ever made reference ''in the show'' to exactly when it takes place? 21st century, 22nd century? If so, in which episode? [[User:JW|JW]] 11:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:In "Blast from the Past," Isaac says his new circuitry will bring Dino Drive into the 22nd century. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:09, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::The packaging blurb on the back of the Transform and Roll Out DVD says 22nd century as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Excellent, the DVD is the sort of evidence I was looking for, thank you. (The BftP quote isn't conclusive; lots of people in the 1990s were talking about gearing up for the 21st century.) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:24, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

== Starscream Clones ==
'''''ADVANCED SPOILERS ARE NOT WELCOME ON THE WIKI, SHITSTAIN.''''' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Aaaand since the discussion got nuked, I'll just repost my last point which was not spoilerish. You're not getting what I'm saying, KrytenKoro. They were detonated because ''they were living bombs''. That's a bit different. Those two are likely not going to be back, or if they are they'll basically be clones based off of the same archetypes, not the same characters. The clones are inherently disposable. The G1 cast pages don't list every individual insecticon clone.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::glory be...anyway, I get what you're saying. However, by that tack we might as well remove all the Guest characters until they make multiple appearances. The Insecticon clones, as far as I understand, where "perfect" clones - same design, same personality, and more an ability then actual characters. The Starscream clones have different designs and personalities, and seem to be getting different toys. They have a named faction which plays as an important "third party" in the series, and may not all have the same voice actor. I get that, by the nature of their appearance they "probably" won't come back in the same capacity, but I still feel that they play a big enough role in that episode to be considered full characters, and that they are unique enough to not just be labeled "generic". However, if it will work as a compromise, could we at least list [[Starscream clone]]s as a cast "member"?
::Also, why did you put Lockdown back in the guest section? He doesn't at all fit the guidelines for it, since he has both multiple appearances and a named "group" (which I had to remove as an attempt at compromise, but still...).
::I don't want to preemptively edit before an agreement, so if you do agree, please tell me or perform the changes yourself.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait, I had to miss something while I was at work. I wanna know what the fuck happened that had this whole conversation blasted into oblivion. Seriously y'all, what the hell happened?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 02:09, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Spoilers. Spoilers happened.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Can I have a name of who spoiled something, or do we keep their names withheld? Or was it someone who didn't sign their name?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 02:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just check the diffs if you really must know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think its really appropriate to start off a section by addressing the reader as a "shitstain". its rather vulgar and clearly has no place in this discussion. (yea, i was serious!) Don't we have a rule against vulgarity on our quaint little wiki?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 03:32, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think it comes as no mystery at all that a great many of us are at our wits' end due to the freaking season finale spoilers that keep finding their way into the talkpages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

::::::Understandable. I accidently watched a bridge to close on FanTransformers page on youtube. in doing so, i clearly ruined alot of stuff for myself...alot. Still, no need for vulgarity. I like to think we run a respectable establishment here at Teletraan-1. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 03:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think the Starscream clones need to be referred to as a cast member on the mainpage in any catagory, currently they are Macguffins rather than fully fledged characters even if they do seem to show an independent personality. I wouldn't mind if they were listed as cast in episodes they appear in, but as of "A fistful of energon" they have ''NO'' place in the main page. They are little more than a plot device to make Starscream a threat (and I'm all for that) as he is operating independently of the Decepticons with no one backing him up. If their characters are developed later on, then A.) that is spoilers, and as such should not be presented, or hinted at through formatting in this wiki until the episode in question airs in North America and B.) I will track down and break the fingers of anyone whomever spoils the season finale for me with their own keyboard (Okay not really, but I will be very very pissed off). A pox and rude language on the talk page of any offenders. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Changing Characters Section. Oy. ==

So, um, anyone want to restore stabiity to the "Cast" section? Lockdown in particular. I've forgotten what he IS, you've been changing him around too much. (Not really, but you get my drift.)
And while we're at it, I think that the Dinobots and Elite Guard might do better under "Guests". Or maybe not. Any feedback? [[User:Galvanisation|Galvanisation]] 12:04, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:We group them under their appropriate subgroupings when applicable, just to make it easy to link to the subgroup articles. What absolutely mystifies me though is that some users seem to think that a character being under "guests" is like the kiss of death around here. I just don't get the point of inventing some sort of "secondary cast" header or "bounty hunters" subgroup to keep Lockdown out of the "guests" list because he's been in ''two'' episodes instead of ''one''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

William Lennox

2008-05-30T01:34:47Z

(Undecided): Caption wasn't accurate, also didn't sound so good.

: ''William Lennox is a [[human]] in the [[Movie (franchise)|Movie]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:lennox-slide-shoot.jpg|right|thumb|250px|YOU DISHONOR MY FAMILY!]]

'''William Lennox''' is a Captain in the [[United States Military|United States Army Rangers]], stationed at [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]]. A young, yet capable officer, Lennox has the friendship and trust of the men under his command.

He has a [[Sarah Lennox|wife]] and a newborn daughter [[United States|back home]].

==Fiction==
===''Transformers'' (2007 film)===
:''Actor:'' [[Josh Duhamel]]

[[Image:Movie_Lennox_Scorponoktail.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Yeah, real good work watching your commander's back, all you guys standin' in the background.]]

Returning back to SOCCENT after a mission behind enemy lines, Lennox's men discussed what they were going to do once they got home to the States. As usual, [[Jorge Figueroa|Fig]] talked about his mom's cooking in Spanish, [[Robert Epps|Epps]] commented that he'll never accept a dinner invitation to Fig's house and [[Sergeant Donnelly|Donnelly]] reminisced about flat beer, cold hot dogs and baseball on weekends. When asked about what he wanted to do, Lennox replied that he only wanted to hold his baby girl for the first time, to which his men teased him for his sappy sentiment.

After their CV-22 Ospreys touched down, Lennox was writing a report when local boy [[Mahfouz]] visited him carrying a bag of water. Soon afterwards, he talked to his wife Sarah and their daughter on the satellite video phone. Lennox declared that their daughter was so cute that he just wanted to chew on her cheeks, and that they both made one good looking kid. To his delight, Sarah told him their girl has his laugh, though he wondered if she had merely farted. Around the same time as a [[Blackout (Movie)|mysterious MH-53 Pave Low]] helicopter had landed on the base, his connection to Sarah became distorted, and he tried to tell her that he'll be home soon as the transmission was cut.

Suddenly, the base was under attack as the helicopter somehow transformed into a giant walking weapons platform. Leading his men and the boy Mahfouz, they witnessed Epps nearly being crushed by the weapons platform before Fig saved him by firing a sabot from his grenade launcher into the 'chest' of the weapon. With Epps in tow, Lennox's unit escaped as the robot laid waste to SOCCENT, leaving no survivors.

The next morning, after making their way through the desert, the men discussed the past night's events, with Epps expressing his belief that the weapon, whatever it was, looked right back at him as he was taking its photograph. Lennox determined that no matter what, they had to get the information back to [[the Pentagon]], and asked Mahfouz to lead them to his village where they could find a telephone line. Unknown to them, [[Scorponok (Movie)|a second robot]], a mechanical scorpion, was listening to their conversation and stalking them. As they neared the outskirts of the village, a metal spiked tail rose out of the sand and was about to kill Lennox when Epps fired at it, saving his life. Unfortunately, the giant scorpion killed top kick Donnelly and the men ran for their lives to relative cover of the village.

Ordering the men to form a defensive perimeter, Lennox followed Mahfouz to his father [[Akram]]'s house, the latter of whom provided him with a cell phone. As the others fought off Scorponok, Lennox attempted to call for help from the Pentagon, but had more than a little trouble with the operator who demanded a credit card despite the life-and-death situation he was in. After successfully searching for Epps's credit card in one of the latter's many back pockets, Lennox successfully contacted the Pentagon, but not before the operator tried to get him to sign onto a Premium Plus World Service Gold Package. He'll never use that company again.

[[Image:Movie_LennoxEpps_backpockets.jpg|right|thumb|250px|10: LEFT CHEEK!
20: GOTO 10]]

The Pentagon sent in two A-10 Thunderbolt IIs from Strike Package Bravo. Lennox ordered the men to light up the target for the the Air Force' radars to lock onto and fire upon. Unfortunately, the A-10s did no appreciable damage to the metal scorpion, with Epps expressing disbelief that it could still be alive. With the call of [[Bring the rain|"Bring the rain!"]], Lennox suggested the biggest barrels the Air Force had: the 105 millimeter cannons of AC-130 Spectre gunship. The cannonade pounded Scorponok into the sand. As the dust settled, the scorpion got up and dove into the sand, but not before leaving part of its damaged tail behind. Lennox and Epps ran to check on Fig, who had been struck by one of the scorpion's missiles.

En-route back to the America, the team studied the tail segment they salvaged from the battle scene. An analyst observeded that it seemed to be covered in a [[Self-regenerating molecular armor]]. Lennox pointed out where a sabot round had burned right through. Turning to Epps's expertise, he asked if it was correct that sabot rounds had a 6000 degree magnesium burn, which Epps said was true. As Lennox ordered Epps to tell command to load sabot rounds on all their gunships, the tail suddenly came to life and narrowly missed impaling them. Epps angrily berated the analyst for telling them it was dead; Lennox ordered them to strap the tail down, while concluding that the technology behind it was 'wicked'. Touching down at Nellis Air Force Base, Lennox's men had barely walked off the plane when [[Sector Seven|mysterious government agents]] pulled up in black SUVs and ordered the Rangers to come with them.

After arriving at [[Hoover Dam]], Lennox and his unit meet with Secretary of Defense [[John Keller]], and were taken to see [[Megatron (Movie)|the Iceman]]. After the Iceman began to thaw, Lennox and his unit headed for the armory, where they were having a special on forty mm sabot rounds.

When [[Samuel James Witwicky|Sam Witwicky]] asked [[Reggie Simmons|Agent Simmons]] to free [[Bumblebee (Movie)|a good robot]], Simmons refused to listen, until Lennox got him to cooperate by putting a gun to his chest, resulting in a Mexican standoff between his unit and Sector Seven. Simmons ordered him to release him, but Lennox told Simmons he and his men didn't take orders from people who didn't exist. They won the standoff (losing really isn't an option for those guys.) Lennox and his men subsequently escorted Sam and the car to [[Mission City]], meeting [[Autobot|other good robot]]s en route.

After arriving in Mission City, they were attacked by a [[Seeker|fighter jet]] which [[Ironhide (Movie)|some truck]] called "[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]". Later, [[Brawl (Movie)|a tank]] started shelling them, until the good robots totally triple teamed it. Lennox and his men engaged the tank, but it just wouldn't die. Telling Sam to take the [[All Spark]] to a building to be evacuated, Lennox and his team engaged the tank thing, which began to overpower them. It was only with the help of the the [[Bumblebee (Movie)|the Camaro]] and [[Mikaela Banes|some girl]] that they were able to kill the thing.

Later, Lennox and his men went to assist [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] in his fight with Megatron. During the battle, that helicopter which attacked the base in Qatar arrived and went to help his boss. Lennox totally killed it dead by the time-honored method of:

* Getting on a motorcycle
* Jumping off the motorcycle as it slams into the enemy
* Sliding under his opponent.
* Shooting them in the [[gearbox]] with sabot rounds until they are dead.
* Going "woo-hoo", "yee-ha", or another exclamation of success.

His final action in the battle of Mission City was to shoot a sabot round in the chest of Megatron, offering an opening to Sam to ram the All Spark in his chest, thus allowing the victory. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

After the deaths of the [[Decepticon]]s, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] gave him a ride home, where he was reunited with his wife and met his newborn daughter. It is unknown if Ironhide remained with Lennox.

==Trivia==
[[Image:Movie_Figueroa_cutscene.jpg|thumb|right|200px|By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be ''avenged!'']]

* A later scene where Lennox comforts the dying Figueroa was cut from the theatrical release of the film, but briefly seen in the December 2006 trailer. The scene survived in both [[Transformers: The Movie (novel)|the novelization]] and the [[Transformers: The Junior Novel|children's novelization]] where (despite many changes made to tone down descriptions of violence against ''robots'') he still died. Go fig!

* Early scripts give Lennox's rank as Sergeant.

* Lennox is given the nickname "Wild Bill" in the novelization. Whether this was a deliberate reference to the G.I.Joe character remains unknown.

* Josh Duhamel's left foot was injured by a piece of fake shrapnel during filming.<ref>Duhamel made fun of his minor injury during the Second Life Virtual Press Conference (the shrapnel was made of ''cork'' and it cut his ''pinky'') explaining that he wasn't allowed to do his own stunts.</ref>
[[Image:Movie_ScreenBattles_Sector7figures.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Hey! It's me! Lennox!]]
* [[Transformers: The Movie (novel)|The novelization]] reveals that Lennox's daughter's name is Annabelle.

* The '''Capture of Bumblebee''' set from the "Screen Battles" packs features what appear to be two [[Sector Seven]] soldiers, but one of them is obviously Lennox painted in Sector Seven colors.
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==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category: Humans|Lennox, William]]
[[Category: Movie characters|Lennox, William]]
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Megatron (Animated)

2008-05-26T18:38:23Z

(Undecided): Link fixed [I think]

{{SemiprotectSpoilers}}

{{disambig3|Megatron}}

:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Megatronanimated.jpg|300px|thumb|An insult to [[Megatron (G1)|G1]], we swear!]]

If you were to ask '''Megatron''' to describe himself in one word, he'd probably go with "heroic". He sees himself as a freedom fighter, [[Decepticon leader#Animated|leading]] the Decepticons out of the days of [[Autobot]] tyranny. The fact he's hoping to replace that with Decepticon tyranny isn't really a concern. A fanatic at heart, he revels in every Autobot who suffers at Decepticon hands and doesn't register humans as anything more than "collateral damage."

Megatron demands loyalty from the Decepticons, loyalty he gains by his awe-inspiring power. With the combined threat of a sharp mind, his [[fusion cannon]], a pair of deadly swords and simple brute strength, there aren't many who'd dare cross him. Still, he has no problem manhandling troops as a gentle reminder.

The loss of his body and former power was only a minor setback for him, as Megatron proved a master manipulator. He effortlessly duped [[Isaac Sumdac]] into helping him--and once Megatron was restored to full power, he turned the tables on his old captor.

{{Quote|Laugh now, child. I will show you true fear!|Megatron as he listens in on Sari's ghost stories|"[[Home Is Where the Spark Is]]"}}

==Fiction==

===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Jan Spitzer]] (German)

[[Image:Megatron Cybertron.jpg|left|thumb|Pointier than thou.]]

Aboard his [[Nemesis (Animated)|massive flagship]], Megatron went after the [[Autobot ship (Animated)|small Autobot repair vessel]] after detecting the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] volunteered to attack, Megs saw right through him, pointing out "I didn't spend the last four million solar cycles combing the galaxy just so you can get your greasy wings on the AllSpark." He even crumpled a part of said wings to make his point. Later, Starscream approached the Decepticon leader again, wishing him "luck", to which Megatron replied, "I do not believe in luck." Starscream got his own back by planting a bomb on Megatron, which blew just as his fusion cannon was about to breach the hull of the Autobots' ship. The Autobot crew managed to steer the now-failing ship through an asteroid field and into a nearby [[space bridge]].

With the ship now plummeting through the Earth's atmosphere, a wounded Megatron still managed to thrash the crew soundly and nearly claimed the AllSpark. Quick thinking on the part of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] sent the Decepticon leader out the cargo hatch and into free fall. Megatron [[Megatron (Movie)|fell from the sky]] and crashed in Paw Paw, Michigan, where his head (and later, a hand) was found by a young [[Isaac Sumdac]].

Over the next fifty years, Sumdac built a robotics empire by reverse-engineering Megatron's components. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}} Fifty years after his fall to Earth, Megatron's inert head remained secretly in Sumdac's private lab, the source of the human's engineering genius and also a secret shame. Megatron's severed hand was there as well, used by Sumdac as a piece of furniture.

[[Image:Animatedmegatronhead1.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Hey Megatron, don't lose your... oh.]]

After the Autobots re-awoke, [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] used her [[Sari Sumdac's key|AllSpark key]] to sneak into her father's lab. He stopped her from seeing anything it contained, but the AllSpark energy from the key was absorbed by Megatron's head, reawakening his spark and bringing him back online. Confused and disoriented, he automatically brought up video footage of Starscream and the Autobots. Furious both at Starscream's betrayal and the fact he didn't have the hands to reach out and take the AllSpark which was finally within his grasp, he released a burst of energy which activated a small drone Dr. Sumdac had been working on. Megatron thus realized he could control the extremely primitive (by his standards) technology around him. Learning Sari was going to spend the night at the Autobot base, he secreted his drone into her backpack.

Once she arrived, Megatron sent the drone to look for the AllSpark, but his search was fruitless. He decided to try a simpler method: kill the Autobots and extract the data from their lifeless corpses. Interfacing with the factory's assembly line, he attacked. As the Autobots fought back, he decided to cut out the middleman and knocked a hole in a fuel tank. [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] arrived, realized the factory was working via motion sensors, and managed to get close to the control panel. To counter him, Megatron simply took over the factory arms and snatched up Prowl. However, he failed to stop [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], due to the primitive tools he was forced to use. With his plans foiled, Megatron was out of patience, refusing to work through these worthless machines. He needed a body. Perhaps it was time to reveal something more advanced to Sumdac... {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

Megatron soon revealed to Isaac that he still functioned and, when Isaac guessed he was a friend of the Autobots, Megatron played along. He persuaded Isaac to keep his existence secret until Isaac had built him a new body, as then the Autobots would be more forgiving of how Isaac had reverse-engineered their friend. He then helped construct the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s, deliberately programming them to go on a rampage and building fire-breath into them as a prototype for a planned army of drones. When they were defeated, Megatron despaired he might never gain a new body, but upon discovering they'd been turned into sentient Transformers, he quickly convinced them that cars, trucks and "[[Autobot|car robots]]" were evil beings that ate dinosaurs.

During their second rampage, Isaac realized Megatron had deliberately built weapons into the Dinobots. The tyrant feigned shame, saying he'd added experimental features out of a desire to have a body again. Isaac promised not to tell the Autobots and that Megatron would have a body again one day... {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

Soon, Dr. Sumdac began attempting to build him some new servos, but these proved inadequate. Megatron revealed that his body would need [[Destronium]] to work, but Isaac responded there was only a small amount available and that it would have to be delivered across town in less than 10 minutes or it would become unstable. Taking notice of an experimental turbo suit Sumdac's labs were developing (with flaws that possibly precluded Isaac considering it as a solution), Megatron manipulated computer systems so the suit was delivered to small-time hood [[Nanosec|Nino Sexton]]. Once Sexton began using the suit to commit crimes too quickly to be stopped, Megatron contacted him with an offer of much money out of Dr. Sumdac's private account if Sexton used the suit to steal and deliver the Destronium. Between Autobot interference and the suit aging him prematurely, Sexton failed. Worse, the Destronium was at critical levels, risking an explosion that would destroy [[Detroit]]. The Autobots barely managed to send the Destronium sample into the upper atmosphere before it exploded, and they were left to wonder why a human had tried to steal it in the first place. {{storylink|Nanosec}}

After Megatron learned of the power of [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] and the careless nature in which she used it, he attempted to trick her into assisting him. He designed [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], a musical toy that was secretly meant to grow more powerful every time Sari used her key upon it, until eventually it would be a suitable robotic body for Megatron himself. When the Key instead brought Soundwave into independent life, Megatron changed his plan and, with convincing logic, recruited Soundwave as a Decepticon warrior. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}

When [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, Megatron, remembering Starscream's betrayal, was hesitant to act. After witnessing a battle between his soldiers and the Autobots, Megatron concluded that Blitzwing was too unstable while Lugnut was genuinely loyal. He contacted Lugnut only, instructing him to locate the AllSpark, which would help restore him. Later, he also informed Lugnut about Sari's key. Unfortunately, Lugnut and Blitzwing were defeated and damaged by the Autobots, severing Lugnut's link with Megatron—and Megatron's only link to the outside world. {{storylink|Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[Image:Sumdac megatron's body.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Yeah, it's a fixer-upper.]]

Although Megatron himself was not mentally involved, his headless body was infected with [[space barnacles]], causing the barnacles to mutate into a semi-sentient form. After absorbing two mining bots and possibly killing a [[Sparkplug Witwicky|familiar-looking]] miner, it was defeated by Bumblebee and Prowl. Later, it was discovered (minus space barnacles) by Isaac Sumdac, and most likely brought back to his laboratory. Sumdac was heard to remark that Megatron would be ''very'' pleased... {{storylink|Nature Calls}}

[[Image:MegRisingRebuilt.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Don't call it a comeback; I've been here for years.]]
Sumdac attempted to rebuild Megatron, but progress was slowed by a power failure. Frustrated, Megatron again contacted Lugnut and ordered him to bring him the Key. This communication triggered Starscream's curiosity, and the treacherous jet located Megatron. Starscream didn't have time to slay Megatron before he was distracted by the Autobots--and Megatron used that distraction to take Starscream by surprise and eject him from the lab. When Blitzwing and Lugnut arrived with the Key, Megatron revealed his true identity to his human "friend". Sumdac, seized by the mechanical hand he had so long used as a chair, could only watch and wail in horror as the Decepticon tyrant used the power of the AllSpark to reconstruct himself, more powerful than ever. Finally restored, he burst through the roof of [[Sumdac Tower]], to the horror of the Autobots and Starscream{{m-}}ready to unleash his vengeance on all of them. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part I}}

[[Image:PayThePiper.JPG|left|thumb|200px|[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|"Will anyone else attempt to fill his shoes?"]]]]
Megatron's revenge was quick and brutal. Trashing the Autobots in short order, he called his Decepticons to him. As Starscream bootlicked, Megatron powered up his fusion cannon to destroy the one responsible for his defeat{{m-}}then used the key to send a painful power surge through Starscream, both punishing the traitor and reinforcing his authority over Blitzwing and Lugnut. He commanded them to "transform and rise up," and the three Decepticons took to the sky, using the key to track the AllSpark.

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 All Spark Megs boom.jpg|200px|thumb|This is not good...]]
Finding it aboard the Autobots' ship, the Decepticons caused it to crash on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where Megatron proceeded to beat the [[slag (slang)|slag]] out of Optimus Prime. Getting into the ship, Megatron removed the AllSpark from its casing and placed it in his chest, preparing to devastate Earth before conquering Cybertron. However, Professor Sumdac used his knowledge of Megatron's circuitry to disrupt his equilibrium sensors, causing Megatron to drop the key. Optimus Prime used the key to force a surge of power through the AllSpark within Megatron, causing it to explode and disperse its energy.

However, it was not a total loss for Megatron; despite the damage, he escaped and managed to abduct Sumdac. Once again, their fates were intertwined, only this time Sumdac was Megatron's prisoner. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part II}}

Establishing a base deep underground, Megatron quickly adjusted his plans after the loss of the AllSpark. During his battle aboard the Autobot ship, he had managed to download a partial [[space bridge]] schematic from their computers. He planned to use the space bridge to teleport himself, Lugnut, and Blitzwing to Cybertron, then conquer the planet from within. To facilitate this plan, Megatron used the captive Professor Sumdac to reverse-engineer the space bridge and fill in the "gaps" within the schematics. However, when a service bot suddenly malfunctioned, it was revealed that a shard of the AllSpark was imbedded within it. This gave Megatron hope that the AllSpark was not destroyed, but dispersed throughout the city of Detroit... {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

[[Image:swordscream.JPG|left|thumb|200px|Yes, Starscream, and we'll ''keep'' doing it until you get it right!]]
Finding out about the Allspark fragments, however, didn't seem to cause him to make any changes in his plans. Megatron received word from a spy that the Decepticons had begun making random assaults on the Autobots. He realized that they needed to make a concentrated effort in order to secure his victory. Once Lugnut and Blitzwing had stolen what they needed from the Elite Guard to send the message, Megatron was interrupted by a revived Starscream. After quickly beating him to a pulp, Megatron relayed his commands to the spacefaring cons, only to be repeatedly attacked by a seemingly invincible Starscream. The renegade even attempted to draw Megatron out with an AllSpark fragment. Megatron emerged victorious every time and was informed by his spy that all was going as planned: With his forces now drawing the Autobots away from Cybertron, Megatron could attack a weakened Cybertron from within as soon as his space bridge was completed. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Later, while at the Decepticon base, Lugnut detected an AllSpark energy signal emanating from Detroit. Megatron quickly dispatched Lugnut to retrieve the AllSpark shard before the Autobots could. Lugnut proceeded to praise his master's "grand and glorious plan", but Megatron, fed up with the adulation to the point of involuntary optic-twitching, curtly commanded his enforcer to get going.
{{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Megatron'sprivateblend.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Gentlemen, to evil.]]
When Lugnut and Blitzwing brought the [[Constructicons (Animated)|Constructobots]] back to base, Megatron saw the advantage of keeping them alive, and invited them to have a look at his space bridge schematics. Impressed by their knowledge, he decided to put them to work, stealing supplies. After an encounter with [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], the Constructobots became convinced of "the funny guy's" less then noble intentions, and returned to the mine to confront him. Megatron calmly slammed them both against a rock face and asked them to explain. He feigned shock, and brought them in to discuss things over his own private oil blend. He spoke of the glories they could achieve as Constructicons, the adulation, the statues in their honor...the barrels of oil they could down. Ever the shrewd worker, it didn't take much for him to convince them to join up, and he promptly sent them to the Autobot base to retrieve the AllSpark fragments {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

{{spoiler|A Fistful of Energon}}

When Starscream escaped from the Elite Guard's ship, Megatron recieved the message that was sent to the Autobots by Ultra Magnus from the tachyon transmitter which was stolen by Lugnut and Blitzwing. He had placed a bounty on the traitor, in which Lockdown (with the unknown aid of Prowl) pretty much took the oppurtunity to bring him to the Decepticon leader. Lockdown contacted Megatron to confirm that he had captured a purple-ish "Starscream" (who was acting quite odd and cowardly) and agreed to meet at an abandoned warehouse for the exchange. As "Starscream" was brought to Megatron, Prowl accidently knocked a small bolt, which grabbed the Decepticon's attention. Not too long after, the Autobots apeared, with another different colored Starscream. Megatron intercepted Lockdown's escape and announced that no one is to leave until they fund out which was the true Starscream. However, it turned out that both Starscream's were clones with bombs in which were designed to destroy Megatron. However, Megatron blasted the glass ceiling as he and the other decepticons escaped. Unfortunately, Prowl used the upgrades (given to him by Lockdown) to send the clones into the air, not to far from the fleeing decepticons as the bombs finally exploded. It is unknown if they were wounded, but Megatron raised the bounty on Starscream, only this time, he wanted the "real" Starscream. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

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==Toys==
===Transformers Animated===
*'''Optimus Prime vs. Megatron: The Battle Begins''' (Deluxe class figure multi-pack, 2008)
[[Image:TFAnimated_Deluxe_BattleBegins_Megatron_toy.jpg|thumb|left|250px|SPAAAACE ROOOAAACH!]]

: Transforms into a sleek spacecraft with VTOL turbofans (''uhh...''). Megatron's signature fusion cannon forms the central chassis and cockpit section of the spacecraft; his sword sections mount on the sides of the cannon for storage. The figure also features a silver color scheme and battle damage paint applications.
{{comingsoontoy}}

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*'''CYBERTRON Mode Megatron''' (Voyager, 2008)
[[Image:Animated_megatron_voyager.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Curse you, Earth's atmosphere!]]

: A larger, bulkier, more detailed, and more gimmick-laden version of the Deluxe toy above. Note that while both modes of both toys look very similar, they have different transformation mechanisms. Where the deluxe version is straight silver, this version has a pearl-gray paint scheme.

*'''Megatron''' (Leader, 2008)
[[Image:Animated_megatron_leader.jpg|left|thumb|250px|He will kill you until you are dead.]]
: Megatron's "Earth" robot mode bears a significant resemblance to ''Generation 1'' [[Megatron (G1)#The Battlestars|Super Megatron]] from the ''Battlestars'' storyline, and thus, in turn, to his original G1 body. His alt-mode is a dual-rotored helicopter design, somewhat like an [[Incinerator (Movie)|Osprey]] [[Obsidian|helicopter]] or the [[Cobra]] Mamba; its rotors form double-bladed swords. The toy has a [[gimmick|voice chip]] with three quotes: "Crush the Autobots!", "Where is the AllSpark?", and evil laughter. It is compatible with the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] toy.
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:AnimatedMegatronMovieHat.jpg|150px|thumb|They moonlight as lawn darts.]]
* Megatron's pre-Earth head has a rather pointed resemblance to the somewhat early head of 2007 movie's [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], which went unused in the actual movie but appeared on loads of promotional materials and merchandise.

* Also in common with Movie Megatron, ''Animated'' Megatron lay inert for many years while his technology was [[Sector 7|reverse-engineered by humans]].

* Yes, his outer-space altmode, shown for all of 20 seconds, is getting ''two'' toy molds devoted to it.

*In this series, Megatron has his own catchphrase: "Decepticons, transform and rise up!", contrasting Optimus Prime's classic "Autobots, transform and roll out!" line.

*Apparently Megatron is a bit of an oil connoisseur. He even has little goblets for it, too. Classy! {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

*Early images of Megatron's Earth body were slightly different from the finished product, most notably the lack of a fusion cannon, and a katana instead of his twin swords.

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A Fistful of Energon

2008-05-25T08:42:22Z

(Undecided): /* Miscellaneous trivia */

[[image:samprowl.jpg|right|thumb|250px|'kay, let's ignore the fact that Samurai and Ninja are polar opposites, and bask in the awesomeness that is Samurai Prowl.]]

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'''Prowl goes off on his own to capture the fugitive Starscream, but finds some competition in the form of a Decepticon bounty hunter. '''

==Summary==
As the Elite Guard's ship proceeds on its journey, an explosion rocks the hull, and out flies Starscream, declaring vengeance against Megatron once again.

On Dinobot Island, Prowl and Bulkhead are on the lookout for their feral friends in response to reports of some rampaging going on. Prowl has been sent along with Ratchet's EMP generator and some stasis cuffs, but doubts he will need them since the Dinobots are such gentle spirits when left alone and he has always been able to reason with them. Grimlock soon contradicts Prowl's perspective by charging into the clearing like an angry rhino. Prowl is still determined to take it easy on the big guy until Grimlock's jaws get dangerously close to a nest filled with adorable little baby birdies. Using an EMP blast, Prowl quickly incapacitates Grimlock.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-ProwlEMPGenerator.jpg|right|thumb|125px| We can use my wrist thingy to track Bender's [[Personality component|brain]].]]

Prowl and Bulkhead are both surprised that it came to that, but Prowl rationalizes that he did what he had to do to save the little birds. At this point, he notices a thorn stuck in Grimlock's paw as the likely source of the Dinobot's extra aggression. With some advice from Ratchet over the comm, Prowl uses controlled bursts from the EMP to stabilize the affected area, and Bulkhead yanks out the spike. Grimlock sighs in relief, and everything is all better.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Grimlockfootshard.jpg|left|thumb|150px| So painful, resting in between my toes harmlessly!]]

Before they can head home, however, Ultra Magnus contacts the Autobot base with a message that Starscream has escaped and was last seen headed back to Earth. They would have sent that message sooner, but it seems [[Mission Accomplished|their tachyon transmitter has gone missing]]. Megatron, who has been intercepting the message, takes a look at his own tachyon transmitter and sarcastically wonders where the Autobots' could have gone. He then wastes no time putting out a bounty on the escaped Decepticon traitor.

Back on the island, Prowl is feeling pretty tough after taking down the big, bad Grimlock all by himself and is already contemplating a similar hunt for Starscream. At the very least, while they're in the neighborhood, he and Bulkhead use Teletran 1's sensitive scanners to locate Starscream's AllSpark fragment...on the Moon. Prowl believes they have everything they need to go after him right away, but Bulkhead reminds him that Starscream is a little out of their league if it's just the two of them. Prowl agrees, but as soon as Bulkhead is off the ship and his back is turned, Prowl takes off in a shuttle by himself and heads for the Moon.

Prowl tracks the AllSpark fragment to the remains of the Decepticon warship. Optimus and Ratchet try to warn him how crazy his plan is and order him to return, but Prowl disregards them with some unconvincing fake static and heads inside the ship. He believes the mission of apprehending Starscream is best suited to a single bot built for stealth. Then, as he's sneaking around, his target finds him first. Way to use that stealth.

Before Starscream can fire his null ray, a well-placed shuriken disables it. The fight begins, and thanks to the EMP, Prowl manages to hold his own. Starscream eventually gets in a direct hit, but on a hologram. The real Prowl gets into position, and an EMP blast knocks out the Decepticon. As soon as the fugitive is stasis-cuffed, a newcomer walks up and offers to take the bounty off his hands. It's Lockdown...wearing a poncho? He and Prowl start to fight over the prize while Starscream comes to and heckles them from the sidelines. Neither combatant appreciates Starscream's comments, and both yell at him to shut up. He does, but as he's silent for about two seconds, they look back to notice it's because he escaped. Outside, Starscream (who is strangely orange-coloured) blasts Prowl's shuttle and flies off toward Earth. Lockdown decloaks his own ship and takes pursuit, with Prowl hitching a ride on the hull.

Lockdown is finding it difficult to locate Starscream's Decepticon signal when Prowl ambushes him, deflecting a counter-attack with a shield mod borrowed from Lockdown's own display case. Once they're at a standstill, Prowl points out that he knows how to track Starscream's AllSpark fragment, but he'll need Lockdown's sensors to do it. Thus a partnership is created, and Lockdown offers his new friend a few more upgrades to make sure they get the job done right.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdownwithhelmet.jpg|right|thumb|125px|I can't believe they ran out of voice-changer helmets!]]

Lockdown's ship touches down in Detroit and disguises itself as a building again. Lockdown and Prowl transform and roll out, with Prowl enjoying the feel of his new samurai armor/sidecar. They track the signal to a highway where Starscream is cowering beneath a bridge. When they confront him, they notice he's acting considerably more cowardly than usual, and is painted considerably more purple. Prowl shows off his upgrades, flying circles around the fleeing Decepticon and eventually taking him down with an EMP blast. Lockdown is impressed. With the bounty secured, he contacts Megatron and sets up a meeting at an abandoned warehouse. Prowl is shocked to learn the two-faced bounty hunter he'd partnered with had been working for someone evil and attempts to cross him. However, Lockdown ''double''-crosses Prowl, tying him up with a bola, and drives off with his bounty in tow.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-StarscreamPurpleclone.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Has the Allspark Power line ended yet? Is it safe for redecos to come out now?]]

The other Autobots show up to untie their errant companion and chew him out, but Prowl is more interested in continuing pursuit of Starscream. The rest of the team follow, but point out that Prowl is starting to sound too much like Lockdown, as the mods are going to his head.

They almost catch up with Lockdown and the purple Starscream when they're stopped on the road by the arrival of ''another'' Starscream. This one sports an orange color scheme and a sneaky, manipulative personality. He attempts to negotiate a pact with the Autobots to work together and destroy Megatron, but Prowl turns down the offer and attacks. Using his new arsenal, he leads, disarms, and disables the orange Screamer. It's a cool but messy victory. Ratchet scolds Prowl for not just taking him out with a single EMP blast. Prowl attests that his way was more fun, but Ratchet points out all the collateral damage he caused, including a knocked down bird's nest with its eggs broken all over the sidewalk. Prowl feels awful upon realizing what he has done, but puts it aside. Chasing Lockdown is still more important.

The Autobots crash the Decepticons' warehouse meeting, and a Cybertronian standoff occurs. Then, when Megatron notices there are two Starscreams, he demands an explanation. The clones open their cockpits to reveal a pair of ticking time bombs. The real Starscream's voice announces that it was all part of his plan to take his enemies all out at once. Megatron isn't about to sit around and be blown up, though, so he shoots the skylight and calls for the Decepticons to transform and rise up. The bad guys escape, but the good guys can't let the bombs just explode or the blast would take out half the city. Prowl gets an idea and uses his mods to weld the Starscreams together and jam their jets on so they rocket straight up into the atmosphere. The explosion doesn't harm the city (besides setting off a lot of car alarms) but does do a number on the fleeing Decepticons.

While Lockdown is escaping from the planet again, he contacts Prowl and offers a permanent partnership, since they're so much alike. Prowl turns down the offer, claiming it was fun while it lasted, but the super-charged bounty hunter life just wasn't his style. With all his upgrades shorted out or gone, Prowl detaches the one mod that got out without a scratch, Ratchet's EMP generator, and returns it to its rightful owner.
[[image:Lotta_starscreams.jpg|right|thumb|Sure, [[army-building]] is good, but this is ''ridiculous!'']]
Later, Starscream sits within his new base aboard the wreckage of the Decepticon warship and watches an announcement from Megatron stating that the bounty on the fugitive has been increased, but whoever captures him had better make sure it's the real deal. Starscream himself is furious that his trap failed, but it doesn't matter, as he has plenty more decoys where that came from...

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Andrew Robinson]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Matt Youngberg]], & [[Makoto Fuchigami]]
*'''Original airdate:'''
*'''Animation company:''' [[Mook]]

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
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! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s

! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s

! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (1)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (2)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (3)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (9)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (10)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (11)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (4)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (12)
*[[Lugnut]] (13)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Icy Blitzwing]] (14)<ref>Yes, it's true. Blitzwing went the entire episode without switching personalities.</ref>
*[[Lockdown]] (15)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

|}

==Quotes==
''[Ratchet and Prime are communicating with Prowl over the radio]'' 
'''Ratchet''': "Prowl, any sign of the Dinobots?" 
'''Prowl''': "Negative, Ratchet. I'm starting to think those reports of rampages were nothing but exaggerations". 
'''Optimus''': "We're not taking any chance, Prowl. That's why I had Ratchet lend you his EMP generator and those stasis cuffs". 
'''Prowl''': "Still, I hardly think they're necessary. The Dinobots are territorial, but if they're left alone, they're perfectly happy". 
''[Grimlock roars, then runs out of the forest, charging the Autobots]'' 
'''Bulkhead''': "He doesn't look too happy to me!" 
:{{m-}}The Autobots are Dinobot hunting...and things are not going well.

"I'm afraid Sari and Bumblebee left on an important fact-finding mission this morning. To someplace called... 'Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom'."
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' gets duped.

"Personally, I've always found Bumblebee's fake static to be a lot more convincing."
:{{m-}}'''Ratchet''' doesn't get duped.

'''Starscream''': You call this a fight? I'll rust before someone wins! And I'm in the vacuum. 
'''Prowl''' and '''Lockdown''': Will you keep quiet?!
:{{m-}}Prowl and Lockdown tell Starscream where to stick it.

"No! No, please! Leave me alone!" 
"Maybe it's me, but that doesn't sound like the Starscream I know..."
:{{m-}}His reaction to '''Starscream-Purple's''' plea for mercy leaves one wondering if '''Lockdown''' has ever met the real Screamer...

'''Starscream-Red''': "Well, if it isn't my favorite band of plucky little Autobots." 
'''Optimus''': "Autobots, prepare for battle!" 
'''Starscream-Red''': "Wait, you misunderstand. Noble Optimus Prime, wise Ratchet, stealthy Prowl and ''mighty''...eh..." 
'''Bulkhead''': "Bulkhead!" 
'''Starscream-Red''': "Ooh, that's too bad."
:{{m-}} "Starscream" gives his sympathy

"Did you really think I would offer so little a challenge? I allowed you to capture these ''clones'' to fulfill my plan to eliminate you all! Especially you, MegaFOOL! Mwa-hah-ha-ha-ha! In mere moments you will be blown to bits, and I will become the Supreme Leader of ALL DECEPTICONS!"
:{{m-}} Speaking through his clones, the real '''Starscream's''' speech-making tendencies are undimmed, even if he now prefers to do it from a safe distance.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first aired in Dubai.

* Starscream's fate at the end of "[[Mission Accomplished]]" was a little on the ambiguous side, but now we know just what happened to him at the end of it.

===Animation errors===
* The large spike stuck in Grimlock's foot is nowhere to be seen in the full-body shots previous to Prowl discovering it.

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===
* The Starscream clones are, of course, a reference to the [[Seeker]]s, with one seemingly mimicking the colour scheme of [[Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream]](albeit slightly more orangey), while the other is more along the lines of [[Skywarp (Armada)|''Armada'' Skywarp]].

===Real-world references===
*This episode contains numerous references to [[Wikipedia:Fistful of Dollars|''A Fistful of Dollars'']], including the title, Lockdown wearing a poncho in his first appearance, and the Mexican standoff scene in the warehouse.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdowninponcho.jpg|right|thumb|100px| Space banditos? Never heard of them.]]

*Grimlock's foot problem recalls "The Lion and the Mouse", an Aesop's fable about a mouse who befriends a lion by pulling a thorn out of his paw. Or the tale of the Christian Saint Jerome, whose life was saved by the lion he'd helped when he later encountered it in a Roman circus. Or the story of Androcles and the Lion...it's been done a lot.

*Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Six Flags|Six Flags]] chain of amusement parks.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] are absent from this episode, with Optimus saying that they're on an "important fact-finding mission" (actually, an amusement park). Neither of them appear on screen so we don't get to see if Sari's hair grew back since [[Rise of the Constructicons|last episode]].

*[[Lugnut|Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], on the other hand, appear but say nothing, as do [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] and even [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. Result!

* The clones seem to embody elements of Starscream's personality, the purple Starscream representing Starscream's cowardice and the (not surprisingly) Generation-1-styled Starscream representing Starscream's manipulative and deceitful nature.

* The other Autobots, and eventually Prowl as well, treat his upgrades as a bad thing. In the story, this makes sense because Lockdown acquires his trophies by hacking them off other Transformers, a practice the other characters had [[The Thrill of the Hunt|previously shown]] to find extremely distasteful (at best). But note that this goes against [[retool|everything Hasbro wants us to believe]].

*So Prowl finds a sidecar in Lockdown's ship that's in his color scheme and is capable of becoming samurai-esque armour, and wears it for the majority of the episode. [[To sell toys|Wonder why that is]].

* The thorn supposedly jammed through Grimlock's foot looks like it's merely stuck betwixt his toes.

*So...where did Starscream get the clones from? Ultra Magnus' comment suggests Starscream's escape actually happened some time ago [[Units of time|(Depending on how long a deca-cycle is in Animated)]].

*While Ratchet seems to be the moral compass of this episode, the day is only saved by Prowl's use of his upgrades.

*Apparently Starscream put a few extra zeros in when programming the timer on the clones, his plot might have worked if he hadn't given Megatron three minutes to run away.

==References==
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Talk:Main Page

2008-05-25T03:10:52Z

(Undecided): /* Funny */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]

== Capsule Toys ==
I have discovered an inheret lack of info on the $1.00 Capsule Toys. You know, the little rubber chibi Transformers from the movie toyline that poop cars?

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

When I read these articles for information, and some stupid joke gets thrown in, it really throws my thought process off. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people too. Don't forget you're writing this for other people and it's not a good idea to screw with them, or whatever [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:For every person that hates the joking and non-serious nature of the wiki, there's somebody else that loves it. If people can't hack the humour, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem. As for writing this for other people, I contribute to this wiki for the sheer pleasure of having fun with my stupid toy & cartoon hobby, not out of some obligation or duty to provide an encyclopedia for the fandom. As far as I am concerned, so long as we are accurate and detailed, we can also make light of our hobby. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think there needs to be some rules on where the jokes can be. I personally don't mind them when they're in image captions and such, but I think in the middle of a paragraph isn't very appropriate. Know what I mean? [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Could you provide an example of "middle of the paragraph" humor where you find it inappropriate?
:::Also, just a note: It's hard to take you seriously with that username. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think he's talking about things like my edits to [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s cartoon section where I said the Autobots saved the oil rig workers "from a death exactly the same as death", or references to characters freaking out.
::::As for establishing rules to prevent people from placing jokes within paragraphs, I highly doubt that will come to pass as most of the regular contributors and the administration staff write in this manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, people saying BAWWW WIKI NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH irritates the fuck out of me. I'm sorry our little collection of information about giant toy space robots isn't serious enough for you. Maybe you should go read a Serious Encyclopedia, like the one dedicated to Everything The Goddamn Ewoks Ever Did. That's a serious topic worthy of intense consideration, and it should be treated with the respect it deserves. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::People with names like ''FartboyExtreme'' complaining that the wiki isn't serious enough set off my bullshit meter something fierce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: That comment about writing this for other people really shit me up the wall. I was not aware I was doing this wiki as my job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

When will the page be changed? It's been Jihaxus for so long now. [[User:JimCappuccino|JimCappuccino]] 20:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)JimCappuccino

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh, I'm sorry, I don't know how I totally missed this conversation. The javascript that Derik describes here is not only not hard to do, but it's actually phenomenally easy. The only question is would it LOOK good on the page; I assure you, the technical end is not an issue.

::If anyone still cares. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Walky, I [[W:Image:Transformers125.png|found another one]], I assume you have a larger original file that you can replace it with?. Hopefully they didn't make anymore, because that fake Autobot symbol is fucking awful. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, guys -- I'm sorry that you didn't like the spotlight image, and I'm glad that you made your own. [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|This one]] is terrific; much better than the other one.

:If you guys ever have any concerns (or complaints) about the spotlights or any kind of promotional stuff, please let me know... We're trying to support you and your wiki, and obviously we don't want to do anything that you don't like. Teletraan I is an awesome wiki, and I want to make sure that lots of people know about it.

:So... I'm the person you yell at. And also, hopefully, I'm the person that you can come to with ideas about how to make your site better. Let me know what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 06:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

::Hi, at least speaking for myself, we're not actually that angry... I think :) Just that the fake Autobot symbol has some minor controversy surrounding it ever since it was accidently used by [[IDW Publishing]] for one of their [[Stormbringer issue 1|early Transformers comics]]. Plus, we try to keep on the good side of Hasbro by using their approved logos and such. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response - and the desire to promote our wiki. I'd agree with FFN that there's not much actual anger here, and any dissatisfaction is easily remedied. Just let us know whenever you want to run any promos, and we'll cook up whatever imagery and so forth you need. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, cool. We're going to be building up an Entertainment-hub wiki pretty soon, and I may take you up on that offer. :) It's going to take us a little bit to figure out how to do it, but the idea is to have a place where people can promote their wiki, show off a bit, and make connections with other wiki people. It should be fun. I'll let you guys know when it goes up... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I started it. It's very slim, cause I'm sure there's people out there more informed then me. I'll try and add what I can once a style is put in place [[User:GWolfv2]]

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==Shift from movie to Animated?==
I'm just thinking that maybe the frontpage's "highlight" should change from the TF movie, which is well wound-down, to Animated, which is new and big and running full-steam. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
: Sure. That seems like an easy change... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

A Fistful of Energon

2008-05-25T02:16:10Z

(Undecided):

{{cleanup}}
[[image:samprowl.jpg|right|thumb|250px|'kay, let's ignore the fact that Samurai and Ninja are polar opposites, and bask in the awesomeness that is Samurai Prowl.]]

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'''Prowl goes off on his own to capture the fugitive Starscream, but finds some competition in the form of a Decepticon bounty hunter. '''

==Summary==
[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Starscreamexcaping.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Off I go, into the wild blue yonder!]]
As the Elite Guard's ship proceeds on its journey, an explosion rocks the hull, and out flies Starscream, declaring vengeance against Megatron once again.

On Dinobot Island, Prowl and Bulkhead are on the lookout for their feral friends in response to reports of some rampaging going on. Prowl has been sent along with Ratchet's EMP generator and some stasis cuffs, but doubts he will need them since the Dinobots are such gentle spirits when left alone and he has always been able to reason with them. Grimlock soon contradicts Prowl's perspective by charging into the clearing like an angry rhino. Prowl is still determined to take it easy on the big guy until Grimlock's jaws get dangerously close to a nest filled with adorable little baby birdies. Using an EMP blast, Prowl quickly incapacitates Grimlock.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-ProwlEMPGenerator.jpg|right|thumb|125px| We can use my wrist thingy to track Bender's [[Personality component|brain]].]]

Prowl and Bulkhead are both surprised that it came to that, but Prowl rationalizes that he did what he had to do to save the little birds. At this point, he notices a thorn stuck in Grimlock's paw as the likely source of the Dinobot's extra aggression. With some advice from Ratchet over the comm, Prowl uses controlled bursts from the EMP to stabilize the affected area, and Bulkhead yanks out the spike. Grimlock sighs in relief, and everything is all better.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Grimlockfootshard.jpg|left|thumb|150px| So painful, resting in between my toes harmlessly!]]

Before they can head home, however, Ultra Magnus contacts the Autobot base with a message that Starscream has escaped and was last seen headed back to Earth. They would have sent that message sooner, but it seems [[Mission Accomplished|their tachyon transmitter has gone missing]]. Megatron, who has been intercepting the message, takes a look at his own tachyon transmitter and sarcastically wonders where the Autobots' could have gone. He then wastes no time putting out a bounty on the escaped Decepticon traitor.

Back on the island, Prowl is feeling pretty tough after taking down the big, bad Grimlock all by himself and is already contemplating a similar hunt for Starscream. At the very least, while they're in the neighborhood, he and Bulkhead use Teletran 1's sensitive scanners to locate Starscream's AllSpark fragment...on the Moon. Prowl believes they have everything they need to go after him right away, but Bulkhead reminds him that Starscream is a little out of their league if it's just the two of them. Prowl agrees, but as soon as Bulkhead is off the ship and his back is turned, Prowl takes off in a shuttle by himself and heads for the Moon.

Prowl tracks the AllSpark fragment to the remains of the Decepticon warship. Optimus and Ratchet try to warn him how crazy his plan is and order him to return, but Prowl disregards them with some unconvincing fake static and heads inside the ship. He believes the mission of apprehending Starscream is best suited to a single bot built for stealth. Then, as he's sneaking around, his target finds him first. Way to use that stealth.

Before Starscream can fire his null ray, a well-placed shuriken disables it. The fight begins, and thanks to the EMP, Prowl manages to hold his own. Starscream eventually gets in a direct hit, but on a hologram. The real Prowl gets into position, and an EMP blast knocks out the Decepticon. As soon as the fugitive is stasis-cuffed, a newcomer walks up and offers to take the bounty off his hands. It's Lockdown...wearing a poncho? He and Prowl start to fight over the prize while Starscream comes to and heckles them from the sidelines. Neither combatant appreciates Starscream's comments, and both yell at him to shut up. He does, but as he's silent for about two seconds, they look back to notice it's because he escaped. Outside, Starscream (who is strangely orange-coloured) blasts Prowl's shuttle and flies off toward Earth. Lockdown decloaks his own ship and takes pursuit, with Prowl hitching a ride on the hull.

Lockdown is finding it difficult to locate Starscream's Decepticon signal when Prowl ambushes him, deflecting a counter-attack with a shield mod borrowed from Lockdown's own display case. Once they're at a standstill, Prowl points out that he knows how to track Starscream's AllSpark fragment, but he'll need Lockdown's sensors to do it. Thus a partnership is created, and Lockdown offers his new friend a few more upgrades to make sure they get the job done right.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdownwithhelmet.jpg|right|thumb|125px|I can't believe they ran out of voice-changer helmets!]]

Lockdown's ship touches down in Detroit and disguises itself as a building again. Lockdown and Prowl transform and roll out, with Prowl enjoying the feel of his new samurai armor/sidecar. They track the signal to a highway where Starscream is cowering beneath a bridge. When they confront him, they notice he's acting considerably more cowardly than usual, and is painted considerably more purple. Prowl shows off his upgrades, flying circles around the fleeing Decepticon and eventually taking him down with an EMP blast. Lockdown is impressed. With the bounty secured, he contacts Megatron and sets up a meeting at an abandoned warehouse. Prowl is shocked to learn the two-faced bounty hunter he'd partnered with had been working for someone evil and attempts to cross him. However, Lockdown ''double''-crosses Prowl, tying him up with a bola, and drives off with his bounty in tow.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-StarscreamPurpleclone.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Has the Allspark Power line ended yet? Is it safe for redecos to come out now?]]

The other Autobots show up to untie their errant companion and chew him out, but Prowl is more interested in continuing pursuit of Starscream. The rest of the team follow, but point out that Prowl is starting to sound too much like Lockdown, as the mods are going to his head.

They almost catch up with Lockdown and the purple Starscream when they're stopped on the road by the arrival of ''another'' Starscream. This one sports an orange color scheme and a sneaky, manipulative personality. He attempts to negotiate a pact with the Autobots to work together and destroy Megatron, but Prowl turns down the offer and attacks. Using his new arsenal, he leads, disarms, and disables the orange Screamer. It's a cool but messy victory. Ratchet scolds Prowl for not just taking him out with a single EMP blast. Prowl attests that his way was more fun, but Ratchet points out all the collateral damage he caused, including a knocked down bird's nest with its eggs broken all over the sidewalk. Prowl feels awful upon realizing what he has done, but puts it aside. Chasing Lockdown is still more important.

The Autobots crash the Decepticons' warehouse meeting, and a Cybertronian standoff occurs. Then, when Megatron notices there are two Starscreams, he demands an explanation. The clones open their cockpits to reveal a pair of ticking time bombs. The real Starscream's voice announces that it was all part of his plan to take his enemies all out at once. Megatron isn't about to sit around and be blown up, though, so he shoots the skylight and calls for the Decepticons to transform and rise up. The bad guys escape, but the good guys can't let the bombs just explode or the blast would take out half the city. Prowl gets an idea and uses his mods to weld the Starscreams together and jam their jets on so they rocket straight up into the atmosphere. The explosion doesn't harm the city (besides setting off a lot of car alarms) but does do a number on the fleeing Decepticons.

While Lockdown is escaping from the planet again, he contacts Prowl and offers a permanent partnership, since they're so much alike. Prowl turns down the offer, claiming it was fun while it lasted, but the super-charged bounty hunter life just wasn't his style. With all his upgrades shorted out or gone, Prowl detaches the one mod that got out without a scratch, Ratchet's EMP generator, and returns it to its rightful owner.
[[image:Lotta_starscreams.jpg|right|thumb|Sure, [[army-building]] is good, but this is ''ridiculous!'']]
Later, Starscream sits within his new base aboard the wreckage of the Decepticon warship and watches an announcement from Megatron stating that the bounty on the fugitive has been increased, but whoever captures him had better make sure it's the real deal. Starscream himself is furious that his trap failed, but it doesn't matter, as he has plenty more decoys where that came from...

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Andrew Robinson]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Matt Youngberg]], & [[Makoto Fuchigami]]
*'''Original airdate:'''
*'''Animation company:''' [[The Answer Studio]]

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
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! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s

! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s

! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
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*[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (1)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (2)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (3)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (9)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (10)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (11)

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*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (4)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (12)
*[[Lugnut]] (13)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (14)
*[[Lockdown]] (15)

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==Quotes==
''[Ratchet and Prime are communicating with Prowl over the radio]'' 
'''Ratchet''': "Prowl, any sign of the Dinobots?" 
'''Prowl''': "Negative, Ratchet. I'm starting to think those reports of rampages were nothing but exaggerations". 
'''Optimus''': "We're not taking any chance, Prowl. That's why I had Ratchet lend you his EMP generator and those stasis cuffs". 
'''Prowl''': "Still, I hardly think they're necessary. The Dinobots are territorial, but if they're left alone, they're perfectly happy". 
''[Grimlock roars, then runs out of the forest, charging the Autobots]'' 
'''Bulkhead''': "He doesn't look too happy to me!" 
:{{m-}}The Autobots are Dinobot hunting...and things are not going well.

"I'm afraid Sari and Bumblebee left on an important fact-finding mission this morning. To someplace called... 'Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom'."
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' gets duped.

"Personally, I've always found Bumblebee's fake static to be a lot more convincing."
:{{m-}}'''Ratchet''' doesn't get duped.

'''Starscream''': You call this a fight? I'll rust before someone wins! And I'm in the vacuum. 
'''Prowl''' and '''Lockdown''': Will you keep quiet?!
:{{m-}}Prowl and Lockdown tell Starscream where to stick it.

"No! No, please! Leave me alone!" 
"Maybe it's me, but that doesn't sound like the Starscream I know..."
:{{m-}}His reaction to '''Starscream-Purple's''' plea for mercy leaves one wondering if '''Lockdown''' has ever met the real Screamer...

'''Starscream-Red''': "Well, if it isn't my favorite band of plucky little Autobots." 
'''Optimus''': "Autobots, prepare for battle!" 
'''Starscream-Red''': "Wait, you misunderstand. Noble Optimus Prime, wise Ratchet, stealthy Prowl and ''mighty''...eh..." 
'''Bulkhead''': "Bulkhead!" 
'''Starscream-Red''': "Ooh, that's too bad."
:{{m-}} "Starscream" gives his sympathy

"Did you really think I would offer so little a challenge? I allowed you to capture these ''clones'' to fulfill my plan to eliminate you all! Especially you, MegaFOOL! Mwa-hah-ha-ha-ha! In mere moments you will be blown to bits, and I will become the Supreme Leader of ALL DECEPTICONS!"
:{{m-}} Speaking through his clones, the real '''Starscream's''' speech-making tendencies are undimmed, even if he now prefers to do it from a safe distance.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first aired in Dubai.

* Starscream's fate at the end of "[[Mission Accomplished]]" was a little on the ambiguous side, but now we know just what happened to him at the end of it.

===Animation errors===
* The large spike stuck in Grimlock's foot is nowhere to be seen in the full-body shots previous to Prowl discovering it.

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===
* The Starscream clones are, of course, a reference to the [[Seeker]]s, with one seemingly mimicking the colour scheme of [[Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream]](albeit slightly more orangey), while the other is more along the lines of [[Skywarp (Armada)|''Armada'' Skywarp]].

===Real-world references===
*This episode contains numerous references to [[Wikipedia:Fistful of Dollars|''A Fistful of Dollars'']], including the title, Lockdown wearing a poncho in his first appearance, and the Mexican standoff scene in the warehouse.

[[Image:AFistfulofEnergon-Lockdowninponcho.jpg|right|thumb|100px| Space banditos? Never heard of them.]]

*Grimlock's foot problem recalls "The Lion and the Mouse", an Aesop's fable about a mouse who befriends a lion by pulling a thorn out of his paw. Or the tale of the Christian Saint Jerome, whose life was saved by the lion he'd helped when he later encountered it in a Roman circus. Or the story of Androcles and the Lion...it's been done a lot.

*Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Six Flags|Six Flags]] chain of amusement parks.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] are absent from this episode, with Optimus saying that they're on an "important fact-finding mission" (actually, an amusement park).

*[[Lugnut|Lugnut]] and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], on the other hand, appear but say nothing, as do [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] and even [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. Result!

* The clones seem to embody elements of Starscream's personality, the purple Starscream representing Starscream's cowardice and the (not surprisingly) Generation-1-styled Starscream representing Starscream's manipulative and deceitful nature.

* Prowl decides that modifications are bad. This goes against [[retool|everything Hasbro wants us to believe]].

*So Prowl finds a sidecar in Lockdown's ship that's in his color scheme and is capable of becoming samurai-esque armour, and wears it for the majority of the episode. [[To sell toys|Wonder why that is]].

* The thorn supposedly jammed through Grimlock's foot looks like it's merely stuck betwixt his toes.

*So...where did Starscream get the clones from? Ultra Magnus' comment suggests Starscream's escape actually happened some time ago (Depending on how long a deca-cycle is in Animated).

* And how ''did'' he get the stasis cuffs off? (Elite Guard cuffs don't seem to be worth much; they [[Mission Accomplished|couldn't hold Sentinel Prime]] either.)

*While Ratchet seems to be the moral compass of this episode, the day is only saved by Prowl's use of his upgrades.

*Apparently Starscream put a few extra zeros in when programming the timer on the clones, his plot might have worked if he hadn't given Megatron three minutes to run away.

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Talk:Ruined FOREVER

2008-05-24T05:14:35Z

(Undecided): /* Regarding deletion */

==Regarding deletion==
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:::JaAm has a page. 'Ruined Forever' is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is. Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]]. (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...) My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- "huh, why dont' we have a page for that?" (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murray]] out of my brain.)
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide. If a majority think it's not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I say it's as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber. It's not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he's also got to sign my posts for me. Damn that Derik. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I vote for keeping the page. As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don't like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like ''Ruined FOREVER'', [[Furmanism]], and [[Chewed caramels]] be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005's 'HE TELL ME' (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of 'dull surprise' until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::Nor I. But I don't think we're just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are 'about' a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it. Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave's style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels ''seems'' to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1's design aesthetic. I doubt anyone put ''conscious thought'' into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren't ''just'' about the phrase- they're about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.
::(I'm not familiar with 'HE TELL ME' and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that. I also don't know "HE TELL ME" but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP].

::::Actually, Steve-o, I'd say "Secret Inside Sources" would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one. Having never heard of "HE TELL ME", and seeing that few others apparently have either, I'm not sure it's as much a meme as "Secret Inside Sources" is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime's minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed. The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&st=20&p=551756&#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually. Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Usage==
Has "ruined forever" ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I'm not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sure something very similar, at least, has been used. But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what's the problem? Can you recommend a better title for the article? Or are you saying the article shouldn't exist at all? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::: I (and a number of others) used to think "Rapeing my childood" was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It's still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:The '''scream your head off in outraged panic''' / '''call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF''' ''behavior'' of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the "sky is falling" aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer ''number'' of times fans have declared TF ruined forever. (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)
:If you have some other title you'd prefer for this article like 'Clicken-Little Syndrome' by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.
:And frankly, while the ''behavior'' itself is worthy of ridicule, the ''reason'' for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda ''endearing'' and speaks well of fans. At least their ''hearts'' are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

==Paul Dini==

I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini ''the writer'' being used for Animated will "RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER" is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I've never seen any individual display the idiocy we're accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have.
Scary, scary stuff.

Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a "general hasbro idiocy" linking to "transformers" or somesuch?

==Marked for deletion.==

This is getting out of hand.

This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now. As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article. While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.

I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor "friend" decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer. This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive ''or'' negative about Transformers itself at all. Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.

By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar. Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::I agree. I didn't feel this article was necessary, and I still don't. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn't belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister "integrity of the characters" is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm putting in a vote for keeping it. It's a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it's wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think it should stay, it's funny. Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.
::::::I would keep it. I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude. I've fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors. If you're gonna get in a pissy editing war, we'd damn well better know who you are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

This "Ruined FOREVER" article is stupid and don't make any sense. Its just shit

: [[Seafood Louis]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike 'ruined it permanently' so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, 'ok, well maybe I'm over-reacting.'

I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}
: Well said, citizen. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Well, you've cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate. And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom's reactionary past.

Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It's inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn't that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.

(and that aside, I just think it's really, really funny)

.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That's me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

==Where do we draw the line?==
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever? Why, for instance, is ''The Beast Within'' in there? Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least ''better'' than We've, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:I've kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to ''twice'' that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.
:I've sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the ''very'' least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they're canon. Also, it was the reason for the article's creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::Why wait? If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to "Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay," and perhaps a few others, right now. Then a "Trivia" note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever. Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I've seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, Thy, I'd append your list with a general "*-masters" thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever's listed here should have a certain "endurance" as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? "* Masters" certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&start=10&sa=N&scoring=d&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&|"killed transformers"] ain't enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:I doubt I'd get objections if I added it, but I'd like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it's '''such a dramatic departure.''' Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering "My god... they've finally done it. It's ruined..." --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]
:You're missing the point of the article, then. The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it's usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

==Last Deletion Locked in?==
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked. Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:There are two facets to this. First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow. Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back. Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the "ruined forever" concept. "Runined forever" is a cry that springs up whenever ''something new is added to the Transformers brand'' by HasTak, and it happens every single time. Thus, the fans ''can't'' ruin TF forver, because they don't add new canon. And, while HasTak ''can'' ruin TF forever, it's because they're the only ones who can do so. I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::Fair enough, I suppose. It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor. Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

==Masters of the Universe link==
I've never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line's failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel's ''"excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach"'' as the reason for the line's failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article. (Hint: It wasn't kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

:: The fact is the line failed, no one can say *exactly* why. There are reasons for both oppinions.

::'''Fact:''' The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn't reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more "realisticly". In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of '80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with '''actual kids''' in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line's failure on the older fan mentality.

::'''Also Fact:''' Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn't get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line's failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of "samori repaints on stilts" is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line's retail appeal.

::Personally I think there's some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, '''AND''' the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to 'blame', and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it's not a clear cut case of 'it's all the collectors fault'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Hrm, there's some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison. (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou're not bringing new fans in.)
::::For what it's worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren't watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Here's an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it's more balanced, so we don't end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's worth noting that even in today's environment, the military has ''some'' pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it's very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the "big" Joe revival frankly isn't very big. It's pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, I'd also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro's bookkeeping. They've done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they're doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn't available here, because Hasbro AU's last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I've read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They're not on pegs anymore, so I guess they've been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
:It's always going to, because there will always, ''always'' be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman "CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!" (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can't sell your ''two primary characters in the line'', maybe there's something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it'd be like if a Batman line couldn't sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU's failure. Frankly, I'd say just add a note to OUR article saying "ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn't want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini." --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line "catered exclusively to older collectors" and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I'd say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-'''Edit:''' On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)

:::And this is my point - we'll start looking like idiots who can't even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I see Zac's point- but I think he's reacting to something that's not in the article. We're holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention. Since there ''was'' not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.
:::We do not say that this is ''why'' the line failed. It probably ''was'', but we don't say that. We merely hold it up as an apporach that's probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.
:::So to be really blunt-- I don't care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was. '''A)''' That's masturbatory. '''B)''' It's not what this article is talking about, so it's simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But it says 'cater exclusively to the old-school collectors', which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it's not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In this context, that 'catering' refers to design, not case assortments. We're discussing ''reinvention''. One does not 'reinvent' case assortments! And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU ''did'' cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::More to the point- we're discussing changign the content on ''this'' page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something ''we're not even saying here''.
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this. But we're not! We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article ''doesn't'' say, but which 'might run through that same fanboy's mind as they read our article.'
:::::While '''I''' clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best '''it doesn't matter'''. We say it catered to collectors. That's it! '''It's just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.''' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Why is The [[Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars]] series, the [[[[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/The_Transformers:_The_Movie_%281986%29|Movie]], and [[Exclusives]] listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It's satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Sari Sumdac (Animated)

2008-05-24T04:47:26Z

(Undecided): /* Things that don't exist */

==Meta-category==
'Tentative' meta-category? (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sandals and such==
I'm debating undoing the "not a Kiss Player" addition, but can't quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I'll leave it to someone else. I'm also tempted to change the picture caption, as I'm pretty sure those aren't sandals. (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.) However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow. If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==Adopted?==
I'm curious... what's the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari's bio stated that she's adopted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Well-liked character?==
I'd really like to debate that she's "well-liked" so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her. So unless we're of a gross minority, I think it's safe to say her appeal is not universal. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I don't hate her, therefore every fan doesn't hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her! I'm just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her. And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my "social circle" and so far it's been nothing but "she's annoying" and "neutral." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thus far, I kinda like her. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
: I personally like how she's the first girl in an American-made series to be '''the''' major human character, and she's a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn't annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn't make me automatically love all the characters she plays. The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari's character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no "omg sekrit POWARZ" to make him more "interesting." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Spike didn't have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there's the Headmaster thing. Also, calling ''Animated'''s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon ''way'' to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe. They were all "human" in the same way. But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime. And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans. In fact, that's WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1's lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art. Anyway, I'm running speedily away from my point. That is, I and every other TF fan I've talked to absolutely despise Sari. Calling her "well liked, more so than usual" on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me. It's fine to call her a "generally liked character" or even just "a popular human character," but using the turn of phrase that's there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.

::::::Hell, at this point I'd even take Kicker. At least his art style doesn't hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already! People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube. People dismissed the game as "kiddie" just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series. Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.

:::::::Just give it a chance. I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80's comic look of G1. Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]? Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat. At least in a cartoon that's somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I've been giving it as much of a chance as I can. And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like). TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it's laughable. I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do. And the "but the movie did it!" excuse doesn't quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay. Oh, and the movie didn't use it EVERY HALF HOUR. 'OHAI, it's a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.' ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don't like her! She is annoying. All others that I have spoken to share this opinion. It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as "well liked, more so than usual." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against. If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we'll most likely change the page. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, that's frustrating. The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki? Lamesauce. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, but we're confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren't cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them. The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.
:::::::::::I'm not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) ''exressing'' the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument. So we have to say "Gee, if ''everyone'' thinks this, do most of us think this?" And if the answer's no, we'll usually revert sweeping statements. It's possible that we might be ''wrong'' and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it's the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all? I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom. Please, feel free to re-read my comments. I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it's unjustifiably overblown in the article. Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views. I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the "Notes" section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That's Jazz. lulz.) I'm actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it's hard when I'm surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well we can't very well quantify "all others you have spoken to," no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the "reasonably well-liked" comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there's probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd quantify it as "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's my opinion of Sari- she's okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she's astonishingly ''non''-annoying. So 'reasonably well liked.'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as "TF:CHINS." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I'm automatically discounted? Wow. I guess I've been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far. It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I'm a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible. I'm not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I'm just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her. Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she's a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT? I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me. And I really don't consider TF:CHINS to be a 'derisive' nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated's art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual" conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The "arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron" folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was ''physically abusive toward the Autobots''. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget Fred's inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼" floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level. Personally, I love Sari. Best human character in a TF series, as far as I'm concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual."

Now from what I've seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I've observed doesn't seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Has ''anyone'' here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts "reasonably well liked, more so than usual"? If people don't like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that's separate from liking her herself. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement. He doesn't like her, and the people he's talked to (before coming here) don't like her. That doesn't make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans. Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in ''their'' observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans. The phrasing "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" doesn't even remotely mean "all the fans think she's great". It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her. As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks. There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari. But she is, on average, *not* hated. That is definitely worthy of note. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this "on average?" It can't be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans. That is all I have been trying to get across here. There's no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans. I find the "well liked, more so than usual" statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes. How about we just say she's "generally popular" or "mostly liked" instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I'd call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki's talk page to justify what's on the wiki! Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me. Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references. Just because the people that hang out on a character's talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion. I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being "generally popular" or "mostly liked!" How horrible of me! I'm corrupting the TF fandom! Jeez. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Dude, you're not kidding when you say you're skilled at stirring up drama! As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you've made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion. Maybe something along the lines of "mostly well-liked" would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, what's really crazy is I'm not even TRYING to stir up drama. At this point I'm convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character. (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I'm new and have a different opinion. I'm getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I say leave it the way it is. We shouldn't change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should. Combobreaker, you say we aren't showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked. Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN'T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, point missed. The way she's referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her. They don't, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're also supposed to find consensus. We think we ''have''. If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe ''you'' should be citing references to support ''your'' point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki. Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else. I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid. Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular. Fine, that's awesome. My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she's despised. In this situation I think it's perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it's going to 11. I'd like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands. Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you really think that "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" is an 11?
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]? I'm sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn't let this one trivia point occupy all your time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said "it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character" and Derik says she is "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's less general than what is there now.
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google "Sari Sumdac" and tell me what the first result says about her. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I'd start with something small. I had no idea I'd start such a mess just by wanting a character's unquantified popularity slightly edited. That's why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn't want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off. Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Don't worry too much about it, dude. Contributions will be judged on their own merits. This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers'a edit; I don't think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute. If they do, they'll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here. I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I'm a little sketchy on the human characters. Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination! It says she is "reasonably well-liked, more so than usual," basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she's the mesiah or something. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Repowers's edit==
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, that's all I wanted. I'm happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not human?==
That's a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think ''something'' from it needs noting, because Tara Strong's interview and the events of "Megatron Rising" make it clear that there's ''SOMETHING'' unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's a reason I put in the whole "counterpoints" thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Things that don't exist==
Seeing how she, legally, doesn't exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don't exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We should blank this whole article. There is no information on a 'Sari Sumdac'. (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works. I imagine we'll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now? I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Work of genius" or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it's best to leave the joke at including her in the category, it's a funny way to end the article without confusing people who haven't been watching Animated. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 04:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==

:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].''

But is she Really?
I know we don't want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I've often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.
:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a [[Tentakil_%28Energon%29|Squid-Creature]]. We're not all that sure right now to be honest....''
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 18:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds pretty good to me. Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the "debate" here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I've done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Personaly, I think the little 'squid creature' thing is kinda funny, and I vote for temproarily adding it to the article. At least until we learn she's really a human/[[Cy-Kill|Cyborg]] / robotic android/ squid thing/ *master/ gobot-in-disquise/ whatever she ends up being (my vote's for geneticly altered clone). [[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 02:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Incoming spoiler alert==
No, this isn't revealing what Sari actually is. It is a warning about how [[A Bridge Too Close - Part 2]] is going to air in Dubai tomorrow, and that it is very likely that the truth about Sari will be revealed then. I strongly suggest that we semi-protect this article to prevent it from becoming too spoilerific (word?) and preserve the dignity of this Wiki. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too bloody right! I've been away for a couple of days and appear to have missed the big furor over the Animated spoilers (which were annoying the chocolate-coated fudge out of me), but I seem to have been lucky enough to avoid anything major thus far, and want to keep it that way! = [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::And though semi-protect would allow others to still edit it, it would stop new and unregistered users, the most likely culprits, from adding things. Theoretically, we might have to keep it semi-protected until A Bridge Too Close actually airs. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:We're starting to get spoilers for other stuff already, and they're big ones. Someone needs to lock this page now, or we are in for a world of reverts. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==
I think we should replace the toppic since A, it isn't the model used in the cartoon, and B, we now have it at the bottom. {{unsigned|96.227.184.235}}
:Please sign your posts. Take a better look; the two pics are different. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
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Talk:Wreck-Gar (Animated)

2008-05-24T01:10:57Z

(Undecided): /* Captions */

on the offical site, he's called Junkion.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:84.18.160.11|84.18.160.11]] ([[User talk:84.18.160.11|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.18.160.11|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:What official site? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::www.transformersanimated.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:84.18.160.11|84.18.160.11]] ([[User talk:84.18.160.11|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.18.160.11|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:::That site flat-out states that it's a fansite.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 15:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Where exactly?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:84.18.160.11|84.18.160.11]] ([[User talk:84.18.160.11|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.18.160.11|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:::::At the bottom of the page: "This is a fan website and has no affiliation to Cartoon Network or Hasbro. Please visit their offical sites by clicking on their logos. Website Owned by Transformers At The Moon" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:43, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::That site also calls Lugnut Lugnutz, so it's not a good source. -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 19:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

This is the first time a garbage truck Transformer actually gets a toy. It's an actual alt-mode that hasn't been done as a toy before! ...and I'm more excited about that than I should be. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 06:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well actually, the show synopsys says that he transform from a pile of garbage, not FROM a garbage truck, so I don't reeally know how he will be look like. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 07:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::I suspect one of those giant garbage-can bots that were playing each other like steel drums at the concert.--[[User:76.20.88.10|76.20.88.10]] 22:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

<nowiki> I read that he was definitely a garbage truck somewhere. I'm not sure where, though, then again it was probably from that fansite mentioned in above comments. I doubt he'd be one of those dustbin-bots. They're robots anyway, and humanoid at that, (two arms, two legs), and so wouldn't make a very good alternate mode.</nowiki> [[User:Thyunda|Thyunda]] 11:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Motorbike ==

Did anyone notice the motorbike that Wreck-Car threw to Bumblebee ? [[User:Retroqqq|Retroqqq]] 16:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's already in the episode trivia.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey, hey ==

Would it be cool with everyone if I were to track down and '''''FUCKING STAB''''' the next person who claims that some arbitrary thing in Animated is a Gurren Lagaan reference? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:56, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::Watch out, they might call you anti-Japanese! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Look, just because the majority of Japanese -original TF fiction sucks liquid shit... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Hey, don't hate on Kiss Players. You're being intolerant toward pedophiles. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Japanese TF fiction was a stinking quagmire long before KP ever came into the scene. KP was only a ''symptom'' of a far greater problem that's been festering for two decades. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:33, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

A couple of quotes from [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/ Derrick Wyatt's blog] on this subject worth pointing out:

In response to question abouth whether Gurren Lagann was an influence on Headmaster's design:

* "About Gurren Lagann: No, actually. I hadn't seen Gurren Lagann until after we had finished most of the first season of TFA. I wish I had, because I would have had the Headmaster robot transform with stubby little legs. And maybe Masterson's head popping up out of the top of the robot.

And further elaboration:

* "About the inspiration and influences on TFA: I'm always inspired by Gainax's designs. They are by far my favorite animation studio in the world. I just hadn't seen anything on Gurren Lagann when we started TFA. We've definitely been inspired by that and Diebuster since. Prowl and Soundwave's glasses are a nod to 2000 AD's ABC Warriors. That and Mighty Orbots were the biggest influences on the designs."

So to some degree they've "definitely been inspired" by Gurren Lagann, not in the intial design phase but subsequently. Perhaps we oughta dial back the knee-jerk "THAT'S NOT A REFERENCE ARRGGH" reactions just a bit?

(P.S. I have no clue what "Gurren Lagann" is. Some anime, I'm assuming.) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:This fella was claiming Wreck-Gar ''himself'' was a Gurren Lagann reference. So I feel perfectly comfortable knee-jerking here. If anything his TV head ''may'' be a Gainax reference, but we're talking more FLCL here.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::Was directed more at the original comment from Chris McFeely than your specific edit of this page. As it seems entirely possibly that the next time someone claims something is a Gurren Lagann reference, they may be right, and if so shouldn't be greeted with stab-rage. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:30, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Well I'm just saying, yes now that we're in the second season there is a chance that Wyatt is throwing some of those our way. It's just that the Gurren Lagann fanboys think ''everything'' is a Gurren Lagann reference. I think that's what McFeely's getting torqued about. They seem to ignore that nearly anything existed before.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Like the kamina shades. Which was claimed (in a ''waaah mean wiki'' whine on Derrick's blog) to have never been applied to robots before Gurren Lagann... meanwhile, I have some MegaMan/RockMan games from over a decade ago that say other-god-damn-wise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::In this case I suspect it was "Oh he's red! And orange! And his chest kind of looks like a face! Maybe! If you squint! Total Gurren Lagann reference!"--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, and the name is actually twice as long and impossible to spell. But seriously, Mighty Orbots? I fangirled the moment I read that, so thank you. (Here's hoping for upcoming TFs named Bo, Boo, Crunch, Tor, Bort and Ohno... preferably a combiner team.) - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

...don't spoil my stabbing. :( - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:38, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
: Did you guys saw that every robot has a face in this show? And in Gurren Lagann, the robots are called Ganmen, because they had faces on their chest? Totally referece, rite guise? (Now I feel all dirty.)--[[User:84.3.90.174|84.3.90.174]] 18:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::There was a caption there going "I AM WRECK GAR AND I AM A GURREN LAGAAN REFERENCE!! huh... what is gurren lagaan?" to mock people that were saying his "pointing" pose was a gurren lagaan reference, it was a sarcastic caption, pretty much in the same way that Wreck gar stated to be hailing Megatron and didnt knew who he was.

== Red-eyed Wreck-Gar ==

Hmm, do we need a pic of red-eyed Wreck-Gar, to show his eeevil side? [[User:JW|JW]] 16:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

"It's time to let your babies grow up to be Cowboys" or "It's time to let the bedbugs bite" or "Bite the hand that feeds you" for the caption?

== Captions ==

Eh...much as I appreciate the "Dare to Be Stupid" running gag, I actually liked the variety-influenced captions more. Just my two bits.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. Not to mention, those captions were put there by the folks who supplied the images. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, as the guy who put the images up, I kinda like the new DtBS captions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:::This episode is full of G1 and movie fan wankery, so the DtBS captions are more then fitting here.
::::I have to agree with that point. Although, it doesn't really help the fact that I'm listening to the soundtrack while I'm doing this and DtBS just so happened to be playing ''while I was reading the article''. Probably a coincidence, or maybe not?... --[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The captions fit perfectly well if you ask me, both in terms of the article's tone and Wreck-Gar's personality. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:10, 24 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Punch of Kill Everything

2008-05-23T21:36:57Z

(Undecided):

...is this the official name for this weapon? Has it been referred to as this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think Blitzwing just referred to it as "the punch" in Lost and Found. I don't recall any other names for it. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 16:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well the material Unicron.com got referred to it as some "rocket powered punch" so I guess that's the right name.{{unsigned|200.103.119.220|16:22, 19 April 2008}}
:::Have a link for that? What is Unicron.com basing that off of? Is this a feature noted on the toy's packaging?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I think Unicron.com was the first site to post the official Animated bios and publicity images. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If correct it needs to be moved to [[Rocket Punch]] anyway. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 17:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't think this article needs to exist. It can all just go into Lugnut's article. We don't, and shouldn't, have separate pages for Bumblebee's stingers or Bulkhead's wrecking ball or Prowl's shuriken, or BW Silverbolt's feather missiles, or G1 Rumble's piledrivers. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Speaking of which, the Lugnut page itself could use a bit of clean-up. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 18:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::But we ''do'' have separate articles for shitloads of crazy weapons of all kinds. Why's this so different? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This is about one of his weapons,and there are threads about fusion cannons and neet guns,so why does this one has to go?{{unsigned|TrackStars57|20:31, 3 May 2008}}
:One, there is no official name for this weapon. Two, it is not appreciably a separate thing from Lugnut himself. It's his frigging fist.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::Also the vast majority of weapons in this Wiki are well known and either are present in multiple continuities or are used by many characters. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 20:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look, in its current state, it should probably be deleted. It's not really written to our manual of style, there's some original research present, and it's not officially named. However, if a name is given for it in the future, I'd see no reason to make it again. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::So how long is this article going to be pending deletion anyway? People seem to be adding more content, but the article still doesn't seem to be up to standard (in my opinion). I really don't think this article should exist even if it was written well, and this has been going on for a month now. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:The admins ''can'' be a little selective on what they delete. You should see how large [[:To be deleted]] is. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::With the cleanup and name change, it's not nearly as irritating as the original article. Before I thought it reflected very poorly on this wiki, but it's mere existence doesn't frustrate me anymore. I still don't think it should exist, but it is in much better shape now and I ''could'' live with it as a permanent article. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 21:36, 23 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Main Page

2008-05-21T22:15:08Z

(Undecided): /* Main "Transformers Animated" image */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

__TOC__

Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]

== Capsule Toys ==
I have discovered an inheret lack of info on the $1.00 Capsule Toys. You know, the little rubber chibi Transformers from the movie toyline that poop cars?

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

When I read these articles for information, and some stupid joke gets thrown in, it really throws my thought process off. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people too. Don't forget you're writing this for other people and it's not a good idea to screw with them, or whatever [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:For every person that hates the joking and non-serious nature of the wiki, there's somebody else that loves it. If people can't hack the humour, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem. As for writing this for other people, I contribute to this wiki for the sheer pleasure of having fun with my stupid toy & cartoon hobby, not out of some obligation or duty to provide an encyclopedia for the fandom. As far as I am concerned, so long as we are accurate and detailed, we can also make light of our hobby. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think there needs to be some rules on where the jokes can be. I personally don't mind them when they're in image captions and such, but I think in the middle of a paragraph isn't very appropriate. Know what I mean? [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Could you provide an example of "middle of the paragraph" humor where you find it inappropriate?
:::Also, just a note: It's hard to take you seriously with that username. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think he's talking about things like my edits to [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s cartoon section where I said the Autobots saved the oil rig workers "from a death exactly the same as death", or references to characters freaking out.
::::As for establishing rules to prevent people from placing jokes within paragraphs, I highly doubt that will come to pass as most of the regular contributors and the administration staff write in this manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, people saying BAWWW WIKI NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH irritates the fuck out of me. I'm sorry our little collection of information about giant toy space robots isn't serious enough for you. Maybe you should go read a Serious Encyclopedia, like the one dedicated to Everything The Goddamn Ewoks Ever Did. That's a serious topic worthy of intense consideration, and it should be treated with the respect it deserves. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::People with names like ''FartboyExtreme'' complaining that the wiki isn't serious enough set off my bullshit meter something fierce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: That comment about writing this for other people really shit me up the wall. I was not aware I was doing this wiki as my job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hello....I'm italian girl...ehm...I don't good to talk!!=P ciao ciao =hello hello!! sono molto felice=I'm very happy...XD {{unsigned|83.190.10.250}}

==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

When will the page be changed? It's been Jihaxus for so long now. [[User:JimCappuccino|JimCappuccino]] 20:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)JimCappuccino

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh, I'm sorry, I don't know how I totally missed this conversation. The javascript that Derik describes here is not only not hard to do, but it's actually phenomenally easy. The only question is would it LOOK good on the page; I assure you, the technical end is not an issue.

::If anyone still cares. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Walky, I [[W:Image:Transformers125.png|found another one]], I assume you have a larger original file that you can replace it with?. Hopefully they didn't make anymore, because that fake Autobot symbol is fucking awful. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, guys -- I'm sorry that you didn't like the spotlight image, and I'm glad that you made your own. [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|This one]] is terrific; much better than the other one.

:If you guys ever have any concerns (or complaints) about the spotlights or any kind of promotional stuff, please let me know... We're trying to support you and your wiki, and obviously we don't want to do anything that you don't like. Teletraan I is an awesome wiki, and I want to make sure that lots of people know about it.

:So... I'm the person you yell at. And also, hopefully, I'm the person that you can come to with ideas about how to make your site better. Let me know what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 06:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

::Hi, at least speaking for myself, we're not actually that angry... I think :) Just that the fake Autobot symbol has some minor controversy surrounding it ever since it was accidently used by [[IDW Publishing]] for one of their [[Stormbringer issue 1|early Transformers comics]]. Plus, we try to keep on the good side of Hasbro by using their approved logos and such. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response - and the desire to promote our wiki. I'd agree with FFN that there's not much actual anger here, and any dissatisfaction is easily remedied. Just let us know whenever you want to run any promos, and we'll cook up whatever imagery and so forth you need. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, cool. We're going to be building up an Entertainment-hub wiki pretty soon, and I may take you up on that offer. :) It's going to take us a little bit to figure out how to do it, but the idea is to have a place where people can promote their wiki, show off a bit, and make connections with other wiki people. It should be fun. I'll let you guys know when it goes up... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I started it. It's very slim, cause I'm sure there's people out there more informed then me. I'll try and add what I can once a style is put in place [[User:GWolfv2]]

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==Shift from movie to Animated?==
I'm just thinking that maybe the frontpage's "highlight" should change from the TF movie, which is well wound-down, to Animated, which is new and big and running full-steam. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
: Sure. That seems like an easy change... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Garbage In, Garbage Out

2008-05-20T22:45:20Z

(Undecided): It's a generic police car, that doesn't mean it's a reference.

[[Image:Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Good luck understanding that which baffled [[Servo]]...]]

{{episodenav|animated|20|season=2|prev=Mission Accomplished|next=Velocity}}

'''AllSpark energy turns a junk pile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

==Summary==
Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the nanobots that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break down garbage into its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this, and so she misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find some police for some help with his identity.

At the Decepticon base, Lugnut detects a surge in AllSpark energy, and Megatron concludes that another fragment must have turned up. Megatron orders Lugnut to retrieve it, and Lugnut continues his glory-spouting as he leaves. Megatron's optical sensor begins to twitch noticeably.

Stuck in a traffic jam, Ratchet is about to display some serious road rage when Bumblebee puts on his siren and clears a path for them. Heading through, they a find [[Witwicky|a familiar couple]] who are expecting a child, but their car has broken down on the way to the hospital. Ratchet agrees to take them to the hospital, then jets off at high speed, despite Sari's warning to keep the mother calm.

Meanwhile, the new robot is walking through downtown Detroit, nearly causing several accidents. The police, pursuing the Angry Archer, crash into the robot, who subsequently asks them for help. Archer tells the robot to throw them aside so that they can escape, and the robot agrees. When Archer inquires as to his identity, the robot responds that he is "worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage," (all things he had been called by citizens who nearly slammed into him) so the Archer dubs him Wreck-Gar for short. He tries to explain that they steal from the rich and give to the poor (themselves), but Wreck-Gar gets the Archer's words confused. Seeing a passing armored car, Archer tells Wreck-Gar that they must "knock it over", so Wreck-Gar proceeds to chase the armored car and do just that.

[[Image:New Spike and Carly.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Oh ''shit'', what are we gonna do now?!]]

Meanwhile, expecting mother Carly asks her husband, Spike, to ask the driver to slow down, only for Spike to learn that there is only a little girl in the car{{m-}}and no driver! Ratchet tells them to keep quiet as he tries to find a hospital, only for the armored car knocked over by Wreck-Gar to land in his way. Jettisoning the humans, Ratchet and Bumblebee try to stop Wreck-Gar, but before they can do anything, the Angry Archer snags and flees with a canister that was in the armored car. Sari points out that Autobots are supposed to catch the bad guys, and Wreck-Gar assumes that he is an Autobot, slaps on an [[Insignia|Autobrand]], and goes after the Archer. Bumblebee and Sari go after him, while Ratchet offers to drive Spike and Carly to the hospital. They say they'll take a cab, leaving Ratchet miffed at their rudeness.

Outrunning the swinging Archer, Wreck-Gar hurls him into the air so he can "catch" him, allowing the Angry Archer to escape, but the canister falls into Wreck-Gar's backpack. As the Autobots and Sari show up, her key starts to glow, and they realize that Wreck-Gar was created by an AllSpark fragment. Ratchet rudely tells Wreck-Gar that he is not an Autobot and is only good for one thing: GARBAGE! Wreck-Gar therefore [[Transformation|transforms]] into his garbage truck vehicle mode and leaves to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit{{m-}}starting by covering Sari and the Autobots in a pile of it.

[[Image:GarbageInGarbageOut-Wreck-GarandLugnutwithaxe.jpg|thumb|left|200px| It's no [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] but it'll do.]]

[[Image:Wreckgarbutton.jpg|thumb|right|100px|High-five!]]

Meanwhile, Lugnut has reached the city, and he confronts Wreck-Gar at the military base he and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] previously visited. Lugnut demands the AllSpark fragment from the vehicle's driver, but Wreck-Gar transforms, revealing his robotic nature. When Wreck-Gar repeats Ratchet's statement that he's no Autobot, Lugnut concludes that Wreck-Gar is a loyal Decepticon, so Wreck-Gar slaps on a Decepticon symbol.

Back at the crime scene, Ratchet is removing the driver of the armored car when Powell and Fanzone show up. Powell reveals that the car was carrying the garbage-devouring microbots to a demonstration for Mayor Edsel. However, the canister carrying them is gone. Sari is more than willing to let Powell suffer, but Ratchet is concerned about what the microbots might do if infused with AllSpark energy. Tracking Wreck-Gar to the base, Ratchet demands the Microbots, only for Lugnut to transform and activate his bomb punch. Wreck-Gar interprets this as the [[universal greeting]], and gives Lugnut a high five. Sari and the Autobots barely manage to avoid ground zero. As Lugnut transforms to attack, Wreck-Gar takes out the canister, which has cracked, allowing some of the microbots to touch Lugnut. Crying out in pain, Lugnut commands Wreck-Gar to get them off, so Wreck-Gar dissects Lugnut, causing his tail end, still carrying Wreck-Gar, to crash onto a garbage scow. Bumblebee declares their problems over, but Ratchet is worried. If those microbots could eat through Decepticon [[armor-plating]], there's no telling what they'll do to downtown Detroit.

On the river bank, Powell arrives to cancel the presentation with the mayor, only for the group to see the microbots eat the garbage on the scow. Powell quickly takes advantage of the situation to start wheeling and dealing. As the scow gets closer, Ratchet jumps from a nearby bridge to stop it. He tries to reason with Wreck-Gar, but everything fails, forcing Ratchet to make the ultimate sacrifice...and apologize. He tells Wreck-Gar he can be whatever he wants, and Wreck-Gar decides to save the city, vacuuming up the microbots. However, the microbots overload Wreck-Gar's backpack, causing him to fall into the river. Ratchet tries to pull him out with his magnets, but only finds junk. As Bumblebee and Sari declare Ratchet a hero, Powell cries foul, saying that Ratchet destroyed his product. Thus there is no deal with the city, and the garbage dispute will continue. Ratchet picks up Powell, the Mayor, and the Mayor's aide, and tells them to make peace or be thrown into the river. Powell and Edsel agree to a small increase to re-service the garbage bots, ending the dispute. Ratchet decides the cheering bystanders are lauding him, leading him to conclude that he does have people skills. Sari and Bumblebee know differently, however.

Meanwhile, at the bottom of the river, Wreck-Gar, buried shoulder-deep in sediment, assures the sea life that he is a hero and is there to help. First, however, he needs a hand. Or a fin. [[Lost and Found (Animated episode)#Quotes|Maybe a pelvis?]]

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Marty Isenberg]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]] & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 3, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] (9)
| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Lugnut]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (8)
*[[Spike (Animated)|Spike]] (12)
*[[Carly (Animated)|Carly]] (13)
*[[Angry Archer]] (14)
*[[Mayor Edsel]] (15)
|}

==Quotes==

"You, quit harassing the Autobot. You, put down the citizen."
:{{m-}}'''Fanzone''' keeps the peace.

"Ahh, I'm picking up a new AllSpark energy signal, my liege..." 
"No doubt another fragment has surfaced. Retrieve it, Lugnut, before the Autobots get their filthy servos on it." 
"Stasis lock itself could not deter me from your grand and glorious plan, oh wise and noble Megatron!" 
''[left optic twitches]'' "Just...go..." 
"Yes, my liege!" 
:{{m-}}'''Lugnut's''' blind worship of his <s>queen</s> commander can get too much even for '''Megatron''' sometimes.

"I don't suppose you can tell me what I am, funny green man?" 
"You are...my partner-in-crime. They call me Angry Archer!" 
"They call me 'worthless-wreck-walking-pile-of-garbage'!" 
"Oh, really? Bit of a mouthful. Perhaps we should just call you 'Wreck-Gar' for short." 
:{{m-}}'''Angry Archer''', Renaissance Man, does some on-the-spot dubbing.

"I am Wreck-Gar!"
:{{m-}}The opening to pretty much everything '''Wreck-Gar''' says from the moment he gets his name.

''[Sari, Spike, and a very pregnant Carly are almost crushed by an axle carelessly discarded by Ratchet]'' 
"Uh, I don't know much about these things, lady, but I think you're s'posed to breathe or somethin'?"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' the midwife.

''[after Bumblebee and Sari dash off after Wreck-Gar]'' 
'''Ratchet''': You still want that ride, or what? 
'''Spike and Carly''': WE'LL CALL A CAB!! ''they run away'' 
'''Ratchet''': Hmph! Not even a "thank you". And they call ''me'' rude. 
:{{m-}}'''The Witwickies''' make an executive decision while '''Ratchet''' bemoans his lot in life.

'''Bumblebee''': ''[at Wreck-Gar]'' "What are you?" ''[To Sari]'' "What is he?" 
'''Sari''': "I don't know, but he's givin' off a ton of AllSpark energy." 
'''Wreck-Gar:''' "I am Wreck-Gar! I give off a ton of AllSpark energy!" 
'''Bumblebee''': "So, what, an AllSpark fragment just brought a junk pile to life and made some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am some new kind of Autobot?!" 
'''Ratchet''': "Listen up, scrapheap. You're not an Autobot, and you never will be an Autobot. You're only good for one thing: GARBAGE!" 
'''Wreck-Gar''': "I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: GARBAGE! I must deliver garbage to all!" ''[transforms and rolls out]''
:{{m-}} Ratchet's lack of people skills backfires again.

'''Lugnut''': Human! The AllSpark fragment{{m-}}now! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': No human here. I am Wreck-Gar! I am only good for one thing: ''GARBAGE''! 
'''Lugnut''': Are you an Autobot? 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I am not an Autobot and never will be an Autobot! 
'''Lugnut''': Ah! Then you must be a Decepticon! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': I am Wreck-Gar! I...must be a Decepticon! 
''[Wreck-Gar places a Decepticon badge on his chest]'' 
'''Lugnut''': Aah, ALL HAIL MEGATRON! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': All hail Megatron! Uh...w-what's a 'Megatron'? 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar makes a new friend.

'''Lugnut''': Those accursed Autobots will pay for their insolence! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! ''[Wreck-Gar pulls a burnt-out cash register]'' Cash, check or charbroil? 
'''Lugnut''': ''[Knocking the register out of Wreck-Gar's hands]'' ATTACK! 
'''Wreck-Gar''': Right! What kind of tack would you like? Thumb tack? Carpet tack? Income tack? 
'''Lugnut''': Rhaaah, nevermind. 
:{{m-}} Wreck-Gar can certainly teach Crazy Blitzwing a thing or two about being bonkers.

"You glitch-head! You're gonna destroy the whole city! You wouldn't dare do something THAT stupid!" 
"I am Wreck-Gar! I ''dare'' to be stupid! I will destroy the whole city!"
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''' and '''Wreck-Gar'''. Yes, but does he count his chickens before they hatch?

''[after '''Mayor Edsel''' and '''Porter C. Powell''' shake hands on the new sanitation contract, the attending crowd cheers]'' 
'''Ratchet''': Well, whaddaya know. They like me. They really like me! Guess I gotta way with words. 
:{{m-}} '''Ratchet''', discovering what we've known all along. '''Sari''' and '''Bumblebee''', however, would like to disagree.

"Fear not, fellow creatures of the deep, I am Wreck-Gar! I am a hero! Um...e-excuse me, c-could someone give me a hand...or-...or a fin...anyone?"
:{{m-}}'''Wreck-Gar''' begins a new life under the sea.

==Other notes==
* This episode was first shown on Friday, April 25th, at [[BotCon 2008]]. The version aired still had the time-code running in the top-left corner.

===Animation errors===
*In one scene where Ratchet crosses his arms, he gains a second war wound on his right arm.

===Continuity errors===
* When removing trash into a boat, Optimus transforms, and suddenly his trailer evaporates, together with all the trash on it.

* Why doesn't Sari or Ratchet react to the key when it starts to glow, indicating the presence of AllSpark energy?

* Sari uses her key to help track down Wreck-Gar... Seems rather unnecessary, considering the noticeable trail of garbage he left behind.

*Wreck-Gar appears to have access to Hammerspace.

*The once cylindrical trash-bots now appear somewhat rectangular.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Beemeatcycle.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Most fanwanky episode ever?]]
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high-five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]].
* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who at first appeared to be an enemy to the Autobots in his movie appearance, complete with red optics, and was even marketed as such in television [[commercial]]s.

* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot episode]], re-appear with speaking lines and even get their names called out. Corey Burton even reprises his post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] voice for the adult [[Spike Witwicky]].

* Generation 1 Wreck-Gar's motorcycle alt mode can be spotted amongst the garbage that Wreck-Gar throws at Bumblebee.

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "Dare to be Stupid", a Devo "style parody" that appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]] in the scene with the original Wreck-Gar.

* While driving Spike and Carly to the hospital, Ratchet drives past the Wyatt Toys toy store, a reference to Art Director [[Derrick Wyatt]] previously seen in "[[Sound and Fury]]".

* The line "You like me, you really like me!" refers to Sally Field's Oscar acceptance speech in 1985.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Even Megatron gets annoyed by Lugnut's constant worshiping. [[Inferno (BW)|Sound familiar]]?

* The mayor still doesn't talk, letting his aide speak for him instead.

* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voiced the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

* This is the first time we see Lugnut use his mace/axe weapon. It is awesome. It gets eaten by microbots.

* Given that Carly is about to give birth when she seemed to have a wafer-thin profile in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot]], the Autobots seem to have spent at least six months or so in Detroit.

* This episode sees the return of the human newscaster.

* Bulkhead appears, but has no lines. Blitzwing and Isaac Sumdac are also absent.

* One of the two policemen Wreck-Gar picks up resembles Officer Dibble from [[wikipedia:Top Cat|''Top Cat'']].

* This episode is the first to feature Ratchet's full robot-to-vehicle transformation animation sequence.

[[Category:Animated episodes]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-20T22:40:08Z

(Undecided): Oh, for Spark's sake, that happened ALL THE TIME

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Titlecap.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Come my minions, rise for your [[Megatron (Animated)|Master]]! Let your evil shine!]]

{{episodenav|animated|22|season=2|prev=Velocity|next=A Fistful of Energon}}

'''Bulkhead befriends a pair of construction vehicles brought to life by AllSpark energy. But the Decepticons have their scanners set on the duo for their latest construction project. '''

==Summary==
The Autobots once again must aid in the restoration of the increasingly disaster-prone city of [[Detroit]]. There is an odd amount of balking, considering they're a [[space bridge]] repair crew, but Optimus Prime reminds them that a fair amount of the destruction is indeed their fault. These musings are cut short by Bumblebee spotting the ''other'' party to Detroit's deterioration, the Decepticons. Blitzwing and Lugnut are scurrying by in a most undignified manner, carrying construction supplies for Megatron. A combined effort by Bumblebee and Ratchet manages to knock the two Decepticons skidplate-over-processing unit, but they still manage to flee with a much smaller portion of the supplies. The Autobots are prevented from giving chase by the cracking of a bridge support, which they then repair. At the end of the day, the Autobots are ready to head home. Bulkhead tells Optimus Prime he'll catch up, to mask the fact that he's accidentally adhered his feet to the ground with cement.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Gen2HomageVehicleModes.jpg|thumb|175px|left|Whoa! Some fanboys is sleepin' easy tonight.]]
Meanwhile, across town, two construction vehicles are seen with [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragments embedded in them. The two fragments activate, and the machines gain sentience. After a brief debate over naming, they discover their new ability to turn into giant robots. This does not faze them in the slightest, and soon they chase off after a highly attractive sports car.

Thanks to the use of expired fixative, Bulkhead's attempts at mixing more cement prove explosive, knocking him out and nearly getting him skewered by iron girders. Thankfully, the newly minted Constructobots spot this and save his skidplate. They then help the lumbering Autobot to do the job ''right'' (making sure he doesn't leave the fixative lying around, either) and then take him off to a tanker for an oil break. Though Bulkhead is quite pleased with the oil he is served, he soon voices misgivings as to whether they ought to be doing this. Asked by the Constructobots whether he's going to act like a little yellow compact, he remembers his friends back at the base and invites his new acquaintances back to meet them.

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Sari no pigtails.jpg|thumb|right|175px|Relax, Sari, they'll have grown back by next week's episode.]]
At the base, the Autobots are not impressed with the crass pair. Loudly carousing to the point that even Ratchet thinks they're a bit rude, they soon wake up Sari. Wondering what all the commotion is, the poor girl gets her pigtails amputated by a game of smashed-oil-barrel frisbee. This is the last straw for Optimus Prime, who kicks the two paisanos out on their kiesters.

The next day, Blitzwing and Lugnut are once again hauling heavy construction materials, this time Laurel and Hardy style up a steep hill. Blitzwing's footing slips, and he is nearly offlined by the heavy trailer that sends him careening towards a wall. Bracing for an impact that never comes, he is startled to find Mixmaster and Scrapper have saved him. Immediately, he asks them who and ''what'' they are. At first, the jovial pair answer that they are Autobots, but as this met with some static, they quickly amend it to ''Constructobots''. Blitzwing sees an opportunity in the pair's brawn, and as police sirens approach, he convinces them to help haul the load. Lugnut objects, worried about Megatron's reaction. Blitzwing reassures, ''sotto voce'', that they will offline the two goombahs immediately after the work is done. Lugnut is all for this plan, and once the goods are delivered, he charges up his signature punch while Blitzwing distracts the pair. However, Megatron arrives and gives Lugnut an awful case of ''punchus interruptus''.

Megatron invites the Constructobots into the Decepticon inner sanctum, which they would find to be quite commodious if they knew the meaning of the word. Once there, they express how cute [[Isaac Sumdac|Megatron's pet]] is, and the interstellar warlord shows them the schematics he stole from the Autobots' ship for the building of a space bridge. His hunch turns out to be correct when he finds that the Constructobots display an intuitive knack for grasping construction projects, and they tell him that the supplies he's been gathering will be insufficient to the task. Megatron grins as they reveal to him that they know exactly what is needed and where to get it.

The following morning, Bulkhead goes looking for his wayward friends. He finds them, pursued by [[Sumdac Systems]] police robots after a daring heist of construction supplies. Stepping in and generally making a mess of the pursuers, he asks Mixmaster and Scrapper what they're up to. After being told that they stole these materials, he becomes irate because he thought they were so helpful before. They tell him they still are, they're just helping ''other'' bots. Becoming suspicious, Bulkhead presses them further and finds out they're working for Blitzwing and Lugnut. The large Autobot tries to convince them that the Decepticons are bad news, but is less than effective. The Constructobots think the Decepticons are just regular fellas and that Megatron is a laugh riot. Bulkhead grows still angrier, saying that Megatron is the worst of the bunch and was only tricking them. This finally clicks in their heads, and they drop what they're doing{{m-}}on Bulkhead{{m-}}and tear off down the road to take up their grievances with Megatron. Covered in girders, Bulkhead is unable to pursue.

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Megatron what.jpg|thumb|left|175px|I'm not a heartless mass murderer. I give all my victims their choice of execution method.]]
Upon discovering the Constructobots pounding on the steel door of the mine, Megatron is a bit less genial in tolerating their antics. Picking them up by their collars, he slams them against the mountainside and demands to know what they're doing. They explain that they want a piece of him because Bulkhead told them that Decepticons are the scum of the universe and that he'd tricked them. Megatron softens his demeanor and tells a tragic tale of Autobot oppression and the Decepticons being driven from their homeworld by these cruel tyrants. The Constructobots only understand about every third word of what he says, so he submits it would be a little easier to understand over a barrel of oil. Once inside, Mixmaster and Scrapper are quite impressed by the potency of the oil they're offered, which Megatron reveals to be his "special blend". Suitably placated, they listen to his pitch in which he stresses that as Constructobots, they can spend their lives fixing highway bridges, but as Constructi''cons'', they can build ''space bridges'' and be the heroes of millions of Cybertronians.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Megatron%27sprivateblend.jpg|thumb|right|200px| So tell me, fellas, Orlando Bloom or Johnny Depp?]]

Back at the auto assembly plant, Bulkhead is relaying his latest encounter with the Constructobots to his fellow Autobots. This doesn't go over well, so he attempts to convince Optimus Prime that his friends were actually ''angry'' at the Decepticons and that there's nothing to worry about, as afterwards they can lead the Autobots to the Decepticon base. Ratchet, however, worries that they'll do the exact opposite. Right on cue, Scrapper and Mixmaster arrive. Bulkhead is initially hopeful, as they are still his friends. The two bots agree with him, but business is business, and Megatron has better oil. Thus they say that they won't fight anyone, so long as they can pick up the fragments of the AllSpark and be on their way. Optimus Prime objects, and the Constructicons announce that they're sick and tired of the little dipstick and knock him over. A fight ensues, in which the industrial chassis of the Constructicons prove fairly impervious to most of what the Autobots can dish out. Bumblebee is taken hostage and ransomed for the AllSpark fragments. Optimus attempts to stall, but Bulkhead hands them over. As all the Autobots look on in disbelief, he encourages his old friends to have "one for the road." They partake in the offered oil and depart.

The Autobots give chase, berating Bulkhead for trusting them. The large Autobot, however, states simply that the Constructicons aren't going ''anywhere''. His plan is revealed as Mixmaster and Scrapper start to slow down, emitting smoke and having increasing trouble running. Soon, there is an explosion, and the AllSpark fragments' container lands at Bulkhead's feet. He had tainted the oil with the expired chemicals from his earlier botched repair job. Bulkhead confronts his former friends, but the blast has scrambled their memory. Confused and frightened, they haul tail out of there. The not-so-gentle giant is disappointed, but Optimus reminds him that even if they've lost their memories, they still have a choice not to serve Megatron.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Stan Berkowitz]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Irineo Maramba]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 17, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
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! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (2)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (1)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (7)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (10)
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (12)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] (8)
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] (9)
|}

==Quotes==
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': I WILL POUND THEM INTO SHEET METAL! 
''[changes into Random Blitzwing and finds a plate of sheet metal] 
'''Random Blitwing''': Oooh! Oh, wait! We've already got some! 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Blitzwing.

''[Scrapper bangs his shovel into Mixmaster]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': Hey, watch where you're pointing that thing, shovel-head! 
'''Scrapper''': Who you calling "shovel-head", cement-breath?! 
'''Mixmaster''': My name ain't "cement-breath", okay? It's...it's...uh... 
'''Scrapper''': Your little name tag says "Mixmaster". 
'''Mixmaster''': Nah, that's too long. Just call me "Mix". 
'''Scrapper''': All right, you got it, Mix. And you can call me... 
''[Sees a sign that says "SCRAP"] 
'''Scrapper''': ...Scrap. 
'''Mixmaster''': All right, that's too short. How 'bout "Scrapper"? 
'''Scrapper''': I like it. 
:{{m-}}The Constructicons come to life and name themselves. They had an easier time than [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]].

"Where did Bulkhead find these two?" 
"I've got a feeling it wasn't charm school". 
:{{m-}}Colour '''Prowl''' and '''Ratchet''' unimpressed.

"Hey, those don't grow back overnight!"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' gets her pigtails{{m-}}and nearly her head{{m-}}sliced off by Bulkhead with the oil-barrel frisbee in the factory. Bet they're back by the next episode...

''[Blitzwing and Lugnut are pushing heavy supplies up a hill]'' 
'''Icy Blitzwing''': Ever notice zat whenever zere's hard work, Megatron's not around? 
'''Lugnut''': Bite your speech synthesizer! Megatron will take us to new heights of glory! 
''[Blitzwing is nearly crushed under the supplies he is carrying when Mixmaster saves him]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': You okay, bro? 
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': DO I LOOK OKAY?! 
'''Random Blitzwing''': Or do these wing struts make me look fat? 
:{{m-}}Blitzwing focuses on the important stuff.

''[Lugnut charges his "power punch" and sneaks up behind the Constructicons] 
'''Megatron''': "Wait." 
''[Lugnut loses his balance and stumbles into the mine, causing his punch to backfire on him] 
'''Lugnut''': "I'm OK..." 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Lugnut.

'''Mixmaster''': "You tricked us! You Decepticons are the scum o' the universe!" 
'''Megatron''': "...Whaaat? Who told you that?" 
'''Scrapper''': "Our friend Bulkhead." 
'''Megatron''': "And you believed him?" 
'''Mixmaster''': "Well, sure, he's our friend." 
'''Megatron''': "And did your friend tell you how his Autobot kind have oppressed us? Driven us from our rightful home? Oh, they may come across as complete imbeciles, but Autobots are cunning, ruthless, unforgiving." 
'''Mixmaster''': "Okay, like, this is too confusin' for me." 
'''Megatron''': "Then why don't I explain everything over a few barrels of oil?" 
'''Mixmaster''' and '''Scrapper''': ''[faces light up]'' "Oil?!"
:{{m-}}Seduction of the stupid.

"The Autobots' oil tastes like ''water'' next to this stuff!" 
"It's my private blend."
:{{m-}}'''Mixmaster''' discovers that '''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s an oil connoisseur.

'''Bulkhead''': But...I thought we were friends. 
'''Mixmaster''': We are friends, Bulky, that's why we ain't gonna hurt you, okay? Long as you hand over whatever bits you got of the...th-...what did he call it again? 
'''Scrapper''': Uh, SparkAll? AllSpark, AllSpark. 
'''Optimus''': Over my offline body! 
'''Mixmaster''': Aghh{{m-}}you know what? I have had ''enough'' of this dipstick-in-the-mud! 
''[Mixmaster shoves Prime back]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Hey! He's ''our'' dipstick! 
'''Ratchet''': And nobody pushes him around! 
:{{m-}}The Autobots defend the honor of their [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]...and fail miserably.

==Other notes==

===Animation errors===
[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedconsigil.JPG|thumb| [[Goldbug (Shattered Glass)|Who's bad?]]]]
* When Ratchet tells Bumblebee to "vamoose" (around 1:30), Bumblebee has a red Decepticon insignia.
* When Bulkhead is jumping at the idea of Mix and Scrapper meeting the Autobots, Scrapper's left arm clips through his body, then the forearm briefly vanishes before his arm reappears in the correct place.
* While Blitzwing is shown pushing the heavy load of construction equipment from a side profile, the animation is missing a line that separates his inner thigh from his crotch.
* As Megatron explains the Autobots' "cunning" to Mixmaster and Scrapper, the white outline around his insignia is not complete (either that or it's part of a shadow).
* After the Constructicons flee, the road Bulkhead smashed up is in perfect condition.

===Transformers references===

*Megatron corrupting the Constructicons may also be a nod to the Generation 1 series, in which he did the same thing in "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]". Except, instead of using the [[Robo-Smasher]], this time he gets them [[Microbots|robo-smashed]]...

* The two surveyors on top of the bridge are decked out in blue jeans, white shirts, tan jackets and yellow hard hats and boots, just like a disproportionate amount of humans from the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].

* A construction crane which appears in a few scenes early in the episode is colored in the traditional Constructicon green-and-purple. Purple and green excavation vehicles were previously seen in "[[Nature Calls]]", and yet the ''Animated'' Constructicons themselves are yellow and grey, which ''might'' be an homage to the ''Generation 2'' Constructicon toys.

*Scrapper and Mixmaster hit on a little red sports car. [[Side Burn (RID)|Sound familiar?]]

===Real-world references===
* The Constructicons often hit on cars (which could be the equivalent for them to female 'bots...[[Tracks|or something]]), just like real cartoon construction workers with passing women.
* The Constructicons beep as they back up.
* The whole plot seems to be pretty thoroughly cribbed from every after-school special on the dangers of peer pressure ever...except with giant robots, attempted murder, extortion, and a plot to overthrow one interstellar empire and reestablish another.
* While the "working-class" Constructicons drink their oil out of "[[Wikipedia:Pint glass|pint glasses]]" or straight out of the can/barrel, the "upper-class" Megatron prefers to twist his barrels into "[[Wikipedia:Goblet|goblets]]".

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* It was revealed at [[BotCon 2008]] that much of Scrapper and Mixmaster's dialogue was actually ad-libbed by their actors [[Tom Kenny]] and [[Jeff Glen Bennett]].
* This episode first aired in Dubai, around two weeks before its English-language broadcast premiere in Canada.
* It seems that in the Animated-verse, yellow eyes represent the neutral position. Good to know if there is a Switzerland equivalent on Cybertron.
* The Constructicons first start off as Constructobots, a portmanteau of construction and Autobot, but later Megatron gives them a new name, formed from construction and Decepticon instead.
* Even assuming the Constructicons don't drink anything off-screen, they still consume what looks like half their weight in oil over the course of the episode. Where does it go?
* On second thought, [[Humanizing#Urination|don't think about it]].
* Bumblebee receives a [[stock footage|detailed transformation sequence]] for his stingers...which becomes extremely anticlimactic when his attacks just bounce off Lugnut seconds later.

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Talk:Punch of Kill Everything

2008-05-20T22:23:22Z

(Undecided):

...is this the official name for this weapon? Has it been referred to as this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think Blitzwing just referred to it as "the punch" in Lost and Found. I don't recall any other names for it. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 16:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well the material Unicron.com got referred to it as some "rocket powered punch" so I guess that's the right name.{{unsigned|200.103.119.220|16:22, 19 April 2008}}
:::Have a link for that? What is Unicron.com basing that off of? Is this a feature noted on the toy's packaging?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I think Unicron.com was the first site to post the official Animated bios and publicity images. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:10, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If correct it needs to be moved to [[Rocket Punch]] anyway. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 17:01, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't think this article needs to exist. It can all just go into Lugnut's article. We don't, and shouldn't, have separate pages for Bumblebee's stingers or Bulkhead's wrecking ball or Prowl's shuriken, or BW Silverbolt's feather missiles, or G1 Rumble's piledrivers. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Speaking of which, the Lugnut page itself could use a bit of clean-up. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 18:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::But we ''do'' have separate articles for shitloads of crazy weapons of all kinds. Why's this so different? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:04, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

This is about one of his weapons,and there are threads about fusion cannons and neet guns,so why does this one has to go?{{unsigned|TrackStars57|20:31, 3 May 2008}}
:One, there is no official name for this weapon. Two, it is not appreciably a separate thing from Lugnut himself. It's his frigging fist.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::Also the vast majority of weapons in this Wiki are well known and either are present in multiple continuities or are used by many characters. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 20:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look, in its current state, it should probably be deleted. It's not really written to our manual of style, there's some original research present, and it's not officially named. However, if a name is given for it in the future, I'd see no reason to make it again. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::So how long is this article going to be pending deletion anyway? People seem to be adding more content, but the article still doesn't seem to be up to standard (in my opinion). I really don't think this article should exist even if it was written well, and this has been going on for a month now. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Hologram

2008-05-20T02:45:28Z

(Undecided): Additional wikipedia link

A '''hologram''' is an artificially created image using [[photon]]s arranged in a manner to better display information...or trick people, depending on the situation at hand.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
The [[Autobot]] [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] often made use of holograms. While guarding [[Ravage]] with [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], Hound came up with the idea to use a hologram to trick the [[Decepticon]]s and lead them into an ambush. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] agreed, and Ravage was allowed to escape, believing he had learned of a military base with large amounts of rocket fuel. [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], however, saw through Ravage's escape, sending the Decepticons to the real base, while he went with a group of shoddy constructions to rub it in Prime's face. The hologram of the base worked just fine, though... {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] was using a [[holographic projector]] to train with [[Sentinel (G1)|Sentinel drones]] when the [[Combaticon]]s arrived and attacked them. Later, Shockwave and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] used the holographic projector to create various images of hostiles. This successfully distracted the Combaticons for some time, until [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] discovered that their attackers were holograms. The Combaticons aren't really smart. That's why they let [[Onslaught]] do all the thinking. {{Storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

===IDW comics continuity===
Recognizing that the Autobots' lack of drivers would attract attention, they used [[Holomatter]] avatars to avoid detection. However, security measures can be devised specifically to detect holomatter, showing that organizations such as the [[Machination]] already anticipated Cybertronian interference.

===Beast Wars/Beast Machines===
By the [[Beast Era]], holograms were in more wide scale use, including such applications as entertainment and military use. The ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' and the ''[[Darksyde]]'' both made extensive use of hologram technology to run simulations and observe events in real time. On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], there were [[holo-chip]]s which allowed [[Transformer]]s to interface with them and see things virtually—some of which were not always virtuous, if you get our meaning. {{storylink|Sparkwar Part 2: The Search}}.
[[Image:Starscreamhologram.jpg|thumb|right||200px|This seat's taken.]]
===Movie===
After introducing the Autobots, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] showed [[Samuel James Witwicky|Sam Witwicky]] and [[Mikaela Banes]] a hologram of the devastation Cybertron suffered during the war with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. The Decepticons also made use of holograms, using [[Mustache Man|a single, mustached male]] as a display to avoid attracting attention. Oddly enough, the Decepticon holograms appear to have solid machinery underneath them, but when activated they appear to be a projection with nothing under the surface.

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:Holography|Holography]] and [[Wikipedia: Volumetric display|Volumetric display]] on Wikipedia

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Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-19T00:59:31Z

(Undecided): Less ackward wording

Constructicon (Animated)

2008-05-19T00:54:58Z

(Undecided):

{{disambig2|the group from Transformers Animated|a list of other teams|Constructicon (disambiguation)}}
:''The Constructicons are a group from the [[Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

The '''Constructicons''' (briefly known as Constructobots) are a duo of construction vehicles, given life by a pair of AllSpark fragments. [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated) |Scrapper]] are a couple of crass, low brow bots, with only three interests; sexy cars, high grade oil and construction. It is the latter that gives them value in [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]'s optics, as they happen to be quite talented. While not exactly evil, they lack a moral compass, viewing theft with indifference and thinking of Humans as pets. They are more then willing to sell their services to whomever supplies 'em with the best oil, and even if their friendship with [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] could make up for the Autobot [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|dipstick]]'s low grade stuff it's likely they'd feel more at home with the Decepticons anyway.

==Fiction==

[[Category: Animated]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Animated characters]]
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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-19T00:10:17Z

(Undecided): Construct-o-bots not Construct-i-bots

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]]. Once, he and his pal [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mix]] were just a pair of construction vehicles, but a pair of [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragments changed all that. Though not the sharpest tool in the box, he does know construction like nobody's business. He doesn't want much out of life, just some oil to fill him up after a hard day's work and maybe a nice car to catcall. Like his compadre, he has an innate knack for grasping construction projects, and upon seeing a set of blueprints can get right to work.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{spoiler|Rise of the Constructicons}}
[[image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Gen2HomageVehicleModes.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"'Ey, see the exhaust pipes on that li'l red convertible?"]]
Scrapper and his good buddy Mix were spontaneously brought to life by [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shards embedded in them. Though not quick on the uptake, the two Constructobots were able to name themselves and quickly hit the ground running...after attractive sports cars. When Scrapper noticed a construction accident about to harm [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], he pulled over with his friend and intervened. Tidying up the construction site with a fair amount of skill, he befriended the large Autobot and pressured him into going off for an oil break...from a nearby oil tanker. After expressing his misgivings about stealing oil, Bulkhead took the two Constructobots to the old auto factory to meet the other Autobots. Scrapper and Mixmaster proved too rough around the edges even for [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] tastes, and their cavorting woke up [[Sari Sumdac]]. He and Mixmaster shared a laugh over the Autobots' "pet" while [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] asked Bulkhead why he was bringing "strangers" to their base (thus proving to be none too observant in the search for AllSpark fragments himself). Scrapper then went back to drinking oil and so flubbed a catch in a game of oil-barrel-lid frisbee. The disc severed Sari's pigtails, so Scrap found himself and Mixmaster kicked out the factory by Prime.

Dejected, Mixmaster and Scrapper happened upon [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] stealing construction supplies...very ineffectively. Once again, they intervened just before someone could get hurt, saving Blitzwing from getting creamed by the load he was carrying. Scrapper then heard approaching police sirens, which Blitzwing told them was a quitting bell, meaning they could go home. Scrap and Mixmaster indicated they didn't have a home, so their two new buddies offered to let the Constructobots come home with them, saying the pair would be welcome to stay as long as they hauled the heavy trailers of supplies. As Scrapper obligingly pushed the supply containers uphill and out of earshot, he didn't hear Blitzwing ease Lugnut's concerns about[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]'s disapproval by assuring that he'd take take the two new bots offline once the heavy lifting was done. After the load was hauled, Scrapper was all set for an oily reward, unaware Lugnut was about to use his signature punch upon him and Mixmaster, when Megatron intervened. Scrapper followed Megatron into the Decepticons' inner sanctum, where he noted that the Decepticons had a [[Isaac Sumdac|pet]] as well. Then Megatron had the "pet" show Scrapper the [[space bridge]] schematics. He and Mixmaster immediately knew exactly what supplies would be needed to complete the bridge, as well as where they could be obtained.

The next day, Scrapper and Mixmaster "acquired" (stole) a load of construction materials and were fleeing pursuit by [[Sumdac Systems]] police robots when they ran into Bulkhead again. Stopping the chase, Bulkhead asked them what they were doing, and the Constructobots, being trusting souls ''told'' him. Scrapper couldn't figure out why Bulky was so upset they were working for the Decepticons until Bulkhead said Megatron was trying to put one over on them. Mix and Scrapper weren't about to stand still for ''that'', and they sped off to settle the score. Their initial complaints didn't go over well, as the Decepticon leader proved far less gentle and jovial, slamming them up against the mountainside near the mine. When he and Mixmaster said ''why'' they were angry, though, Megatron turned on the sweet talk again, spinning a tale of Autobot oppression. This proved a bit high-concept for Scrapper, but then Megatron offered to explain it over a few barrels of oil. This proved far more Scrap and Mixmaster's speed, and soon they were guzzling away while Megatron once again pitched the space bridge project.

Showing up at the auto factory, Scrapper joined Mixmaster in revealing that they were indeed working for Megatron, since Megatron had better oil. Showing there were no hard feelings, they said they weren't about to hurt the Autobots, just come pick up the AllSpark fragments and be on their way. Optimus Prime objected, but Mixmaster called him a dipstick and knocked over the 98-ton-weakling. A fight broke out, and Scrapper tackled Prowl{{m-}}without much success. Scrapper picked himself up while Mixmaster ransomed [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] for the fragments. However, once Bulkhead handed over the fragments, Scrapper had no trouble accepting Bulky's offer to have "one for the road." Of course, he didn't know Bulkhead had secretly slipped him and Mixmaster some tainted oil, contaminated by the expired fixative that Bulkhead had saved. As Scrapper and Mixmaster ran off, Mix began feeling a little queasy. Scrapper teased him about not being able to hold his oil, until he started feeling the effects too. The bad oil reacted explosively, knocking out him and Mixmaster so the Autobots could reclaim the fragments. The blast also scrambled their memories, so when Scrapper came to, he didn't know who the big, angry guy was or why he was ranting about someone named Megatron and flinging his wrecking ball at them. Confused and frightened, Scrapper decided to vamoose. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

==Trivia==
*Scrapper got his name from the first thing he saw, a sign that said "SCRAP". His buddy Mix thought it was too short, so they both just settled on Scrapper instead.
*Scrapper's chin looks similar to a steam shovel's scoop, befitting a Constructicon.
*Scrapper's alternate mode hearkens back to [[Scavenger (G1)|another Constructicon]], while his transformation scheme (caterpillar treads into legs, loader into chest) is based on [[Bonecrusher (G1)|yet another]].
*Scrapper starts out in a more standard construction vehicle color scheme of yellow and gray, and only switches to the classic Constructicon green and purple after becoming a Decepticon.

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Scrapper (Animated)

2008-05-19T00:06:40Z

(Undecided):

{{disambig3|Scrapper}}
:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Scrapperanimated.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He needs a hug.]]
'''Scrapper''' is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]]. Once, he and his pal [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mix]] were just a pair of construction vehicles, but a pair of [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragments changed all that. Though not the sharpest tool in the box, he does know construction like nobody's business. He doesn't want much out of life, just some oil to fill him up after a hard day's work and maybe a nice car to catcall. Like his compadre, he has an innate knack for grasping construction projects, and upon seeing a set of blueprints can get right to work.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{spoiler|Rise of the Constructicons}}
[[image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Gen2HomageVehicleModes.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"'Ey, see the exhaust pipes on that li'l red convertible?"]]
Scrapper and his good buddy Mix were spontaneously brought to life by [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shards embedded in them. Though not quick on the uptake, the two Constructibots were able to name themselves and quickly hit the ground running...after attractive sports cars. When Scrapper noticed a construction accident about to harm [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], he pulled over with his friend and intervened. Tidying up the construction site with a fair amount of skill, he befriended the large Autobot and pressured him into going off for an oil break...from a nearby oil tanker. After expressing his misgivings about stealing oil, Bulkhead took the two Constructibots to the old auto factory to meet the other Autobots. Scrapper and Mixmaster proved too rough around the edges even for [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] tastes, and their cavorting woke up [[Sari Sumdac]]. He and Mixmaster shared a laugh over the Autobots' "pet" while [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] asked Bulkhead why he was bringing "strangers" to their base (thus proving to be none too observant in the search for AllSpark fragments himself). Scrapper then went back to drinking oil and so flubbed a catch in a game of oil-barrel-lid frisbee. The disc severed Sari's pigtails, so Scrap found himself and Mixmaster kicked out the factory by Prime.

Dejected, Mixmaster and Scrapper happened upon [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] stealing construction supplies...very ineffectively. Once again, they intervened just before someone could get hurt, saving Blitzwing from getting creamed by the load he was carrying. Scrapper then heard approaching police sirens, which Blitzwing told them was a quitting bell, meaning they could go home. Scrap and Mixmaster indicated they didn't have a home, so their two new buddies offered to let the Constructibots come home with them, saying the pair would be welcome to stay as long as they hauled the heavy trailers of supplies. As Scrapper obligingly pushed the supply containers uphill and out of earshot, he didn't hear Blitzwing ease Lugnut's concerns about[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]'s disapproval by assuring that he'd take take the two new bots offline once the heavy lifting was done. After the load was hauled, Scrapper was all set for an oily reward, unaware Lugnut was about to use his signature punch upon him and Mixmaster, when Megatron intervened. Scrapper followed Megatron into the Decepticons' inner sanctum, where he noted that the Decepticons had a [[Isaac Sumdac|pet]] as well. Then Megatron had the "pet" show Scrapper the [[space bridge]] schematics. He and Mixmaster immediately knew exactly what supplies would be needed to complete the bridge, as well as where they could be obtained.

The next day, Scrapper and Mixmaster "acquired" (stole) a load of construction materials and were fleeing pursuit by [[Sumdac Systems]] police robots when they ran into Bulkhead again. Stopping the chase, Bulkhead asked them what they were doing, and the Constructibots, being trusting souls ''told'' him. Scrapper couldn't figure out why Bulky was so upset they were working for the Decepticons until Bulkhead said Megatron was trying to put one over on them. Mix and Scrapper weren't about to stand still for ''that'', and they sped off to settle the score. Their initial complaints didn't go over well, as the Decepticon leader proved far less gentle and jovial, slamming them up against the mountainside near the mine. When he and Mixmaster said ''why'' they were angry, though, Megatron turned on the sweet talk again, spinning a tale of Autobot oppression. This proved a bit high-concept for Scrapper, but then Megatron offered to explain it over a few barrels of oil. This proved far more Scrap and Mixmaster's speed, and soon they were guzzling away while Megatron once again pitched the space bridge project.

Showing up at the auto factory, Scrapper joined Mixmaster in revealing that they were indeed working for Megatron, since Megatron had better oil. Showing there were no hard feelings, they said they weren't about to hurt the Autobots, just come pick up the AllSpark fragments and be on their way. Optimus Prime objected, but Mixmaster called him a dipstick and knocked over the 98-ton-weakling. A fight broke out, and Scrapper tackled Prowl{{m-}}without much success. Scrapper picked himself up while Mixmaster ransomed [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] for the fragments. However, once Bulkhead handed over the fragments, Scrapper had no trouble accepting Bulky's offer to have "one for the road." Of course, he didn't know Bulkhead had secretly slipped him and Mixmaster some tainted oil, contaminated by the expired fixative that Bulkhead had saved. As Scrapper and Mixmaster ran off, Mix began feeling a little queasy. Scrapper teased him about not being able to hold his oil, until he started feeling the effects too. The bad oil reacted explosively, knocking out him and Mixmaster so the Autobots could reclaim the fragments. The blast also scrambled their memories, so when Scrapper came to, he didn't know who the big, angry guy was or why he was ranting about someone named Megatron and flinging his wrecking ball at them. Confused and frightened, Scrapper decided to vamoose. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

==Trivia==
*Scrapper got his name from the first thing he saw, a sign that said "SCRAP". His buddy Mix thought it was too short, so they both just settled on Scrapper instead.
*Scrapper's chin looks similar to a steam shovel's scoop, befitting a Constructicon.
*Scrapper's alternate mode hearkens back to [[Scavenger (G1)|another Constructicon]], while his transformation scheme (caterpillar treads into legs, loader into chest) is based on [[Bonecrusher (G1)|yet another]].
*Scrapper starts out in a more standard construction vehicle color scheme of yellow and gray, and only switches to the classic Constructicon green and purple after becoming a Decepticon.

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[[Category: Constructicons]]
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Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-18T23:10:22Z

(Undecided):

{{episodenav|animated|22|season=2|prev=Velocity|next=A Fistful of Energon}}

'''Bulkhead befriends a pair of construction vehicles brought to life by AllSpark energy. But the Decepticons have their scanners set on the duo for their latest construction project. '''

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Titlecap.jpg|thumb| Come my minions, rise for your [[Megatron (Animated)|Master]]! Let your evil shine!]]

==Summary==
The Autobots once again must aid in the restoration of the increasingly disaster-prone city of [[Detroit]]. Though there is oddly a fair amount of balking from a [[space bridge]] repair crew, Optimus Prime reminds them that a fair amount of the destruction is indeed their fault. These musings are cut short by Bumblebee spotting the ''other'' party to Detroit's deterioration, the Decepticons. Blitzwing and Lugnut are scurrying by in a most undignified manner, carrying construction supplies for Megatron. A combined effort by Bumblebee and Ratchet manages to knock the two Decepticons skidplate-over-processing unit, but they still manage to flee with a much smaller portion of the supplies. The Autobots are prevented from giving chase by the cracking of a bridge support, which they then repair.At the end of the day, the Autobots are ready to head home. Bulkhead tells Optimus Prime he'll catch up, to mask the fact that he's accidentally adhered his feet to the ground with cement.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Gen2HomageVehicleModes.jpg|thumb| Woahs! Some fanboys is sleepins easys tonights.]]
Meanwhile across town, two construction vehicles are seen with [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragments embedded in them. The two fragments activate, and the machines gain sentience. After a brief debate over naming, they discover their new ability to turn into giant robots. This does not faze them in the slightest, and soon they chase off after a highly attractive sports car.

Bulkhead's attempts at mixing more cement prove explosive, knocking him out and nearly getting him skewered by iron girders. Thankfully the newly minted Constructibots spot this, and save his skidplate. They then help the lumbering Autobot to do the job ''right'' and then take him off to a tanker for an oil break.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Stan Berkowitz]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Irineo Maramba]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 17, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (2)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (1)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (7)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (10)
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (12)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] (8)
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] (9)
|}

==Quotes==
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': I WILL POUND THEM INTO SHEET METAL! 
''[changes into Random Blitzwing and finds a plate of sheet metal] 
'''Random Blitwing''': Oooh! Oh, wait! We've already got some! 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Blitzwing.

''[Scrapper bangs his shovel into Mixmaster]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': Hey, watch where you're pointing that thing, shovel-head! 
'''Scrapper''': Who you calling "shovel-head", cement-breath?! 
'''Mixmaster''': My name ain't "cement-breath", okay? It's...it's...uh... 
'''Scrapper''': Your little name tag says "Mixmaster". 
'''Mixmaster''': Nah, that's too long. Just call me "Mix". 
'''Scrapper''': All right, you got it, Mix. And you can call me... 
''[Sees a sign that says "SCRAP"] 
'''Scrapper''': ...Scrap. 
'''Mixmaster''': All right, that's too short. How 'bout "Scrapper"? 
'''Scrapper''': I like it. 
:{{m-}}The Constructicons come to life and name themselves. They had an easier time than [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]].

"Where did Bulkhead find these two?" 
"I've got a feeling it wasn't charm school". 
:{{m-}}Colour '''Prowl''' and '''Ratchet''' unimpressed.

"Hey, those don't grow back overnight!"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' gets her pigtails{{m-}}and nearly her head{{m-}}sliced off by Bulkhead with the oil-barrel-frisbee in the factory. Bet they're back by the next episode...

''[Blitzwing and Lugnut are pushing heavy supplies up a hill]'' 
'''Icy Blitzwing''': Ever notice zat whenever zere's hard work, Megatron's not around? 
'''Lugnut''': Bite your speech synthesizer! Megatron will take us to new heights of glory! 
''[Blitzwing is nearly crushed under the supplies he is carrying when Mixmaster saves him]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': You okay, bro? 
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': Do I look okay?! 
'''Random Blitzwing''': Or do these wing struts make me look fat? 
:{{m-}}Blitzwing focuses on the important stuff.

''[Lugnut charges his "powerpunch" and sneaks up behind the Constructicons] 
'''Megatron''': "Wait." 
''[Lugnut loses his balance and stumbles into the mine, causing his punch to backfire on him] 
'''Lugnut''': "I'm OK..." 
:{{m-}}Ah, good old Lugnut.

'''Mixmaster''': "You tricked us! You Decepticons are the scum o' the universe!" 
'''Megatron''': "Whaaat? Who told you that?" 
'''Scrapper''': "Our friend, Bulkhead." 
'''Megatron''': "And you believed him?" 
'''Mixmaster''': "Well, sure, he's our friend." 
'''Megatron''': "And did your friend tell you how his Autobot kind have oppressed us? Driven us from our rightful home? Oh, they may come across as complete imbeciles, but Autobots are cunning, ruthless, unforgiving." 
'''Mixmaster''': "Okay, like, this is too confusin' for me." 
'''Megatron''': "Then why don't I explain everything over a few barrels of oil?" 
'''Mixmaster''' and '''Scrapper''': ''[faces light up]'' "Oil?!"
:{{m-}}Seduction of the stupid.

"The Autobots' oil tastes like ''water'' next to this stuff!" 
"It's my private blend."
:{{m-}}'''Mixmaster''' discovers that '''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s an oil connoisseur.

'''Bulkhead''': But...I thought we were friends. 
'''Mixmaster''': We are friends, Bulky, that's why we ain't gonna hurt you, okay? Long as you hand over whatever bits you got of the...th-...what did he call it again? 
'''Scrapper''': Uh, SparkAll? AllSpark, AllSpark. 
'''Optimus''': Over my offline body! 
'''Mixmaster''': Aghh{{m-}}you know what? I have had ''enough'' of this dipstick-in-the-mud! 
''[Mixmaster shoves Prime back]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Hey! He's ''our'' dipstick! 
'''Ratchet''': And nobody pushes him around! 
:{{m-}}The Autobots defend the honor of their [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]...and fail miserably.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* After the Constructicons flee, the road Bulkhead smashed up is in perfect condition.

===Animation errors===
[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedconsigil.JPG|thumb| Who's bad?]]
* When Ratchet tells Bumblebee to "vamoose" (around 1:30), Bumblebee has a red Decepticon insignia.
* While Blitzwing is shown pushing the heavy load of construction equipment from a side profile, the animation is missing a line that separates his inner thigh from his crotch.
* As Megatron explains the Autobots' "cunning" to Mixmaster and Scrapper, the white outline around his insignia is not complete (either that or it's part of a shadow).

===Transformers references===

*Megatron corrupting the Constructicons may also be a nod to the Generation 1 series, in which he did the same thing in "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]". Except, instead of using the [[Robo-Smasher]], this time he gets them [[Microbots|robo-smashed]]...

* The two surveyors on top of the bridge are decked out in blue jeans, white shirts, tan jackets and yellow hard hats and boots, just like a disproportionate amount of humans from the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].

* A construction crane which appears in a few scenes early in the episode is colored in the traditional Constructicon green-and-purple. Purple and green excavation vehicles were previously seen in "[[Nature Calls]]", and yet the ''Animated'' Constructicons themselves are yellow and grey, which ''might'' be an homage to the ''Generation 2'' Constructicon toys.

*Scapper and Mixmaster hit on a little red sports car. [[Side Burn (RID)|Sound familiar?]]

===Real-world references===
* The Constructicons often hit on cars (which could be the equivalent for them to female 'bots...[[Tracks|or something]]), just like real cartoon construction workers with passing women.
* The Constructicons beep as they back up.
* The whole plot seems to be pretty thoroughly cribbed from every after-school special on the dangers of peer pressure ever... Except with attempted murder, extortion and a plot to overthrow an entire interstellar empire.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* This episode first aired in Dubai, around two weeks before its English-language broadcast premiere in Canada.
* It seems that in the Animated-verse, yellow eyes represent the neutral position. Good to know if there is a Switzerland equivalent on Cybertron.
* The Constructicons first start off as Constructobots, a portmanteau of construction and Autobot, but later Megatron gives them a new name, formed from construction and Decepticon instead.
* Even assuming the Constructicons don't drink anything off-screen, they still consume what looks like half their weight in oil over the course of the episode. Where does it go?
* On second thought, [[Humanizing#Urination|don't think about it]].

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User talk:82.17.140.55

2008-05-18T23:00:22Z

(Undecided): formatting

Leaving aside the fact that the TF articles on Wikipedia are frequently wrong, nowhere on Wheeljack's Wikipedia article does it says that he was in season 3. And even if it did, it would be wrong. And "no one tells me what to do?" Heey, welcome to a wiki. Have you perhaps not been to one before? Now, you can quit being an asshole, or you can say sayonara. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Watch your language. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 12:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

{{correctenglish}}
There's nothing wrong with expanding a short article and adding a reasonable amount of humor{{m-}}so long as you adhere to the wiki style guide and your grammar, spelling, and syntax are at least reasonably close to correct. Your article for the TFA Constructicons was riddled with syntax errors, plus it was essentially the same article for both with just a name change here and there, which we try to avoid. (That's actually a little more forgivable if the articles are at least written properly.) If you'd fixed your spelling, grammar, etc. and tried to make the two articles more different rather than kept pasting the same ones (very slightly changed) back in again, they wouldn't have been repeatedly reverted.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:We might be more kind if you stop repeatedly putting up the same, error ridden, factually flawed, poorly written articles, when we keep telling you (politely at first) that while we appreciate the effort, we have standards, your material is not up to them. Instead of accepting that you're writing is not up to snuff, you keep continually reposting your work, slapping us in the face, telling us that you don't care what we think, and that you are always correct. Basically, you seem like a colossal jerk. If you can improve your work, then you are welcome to contribute, if you cannot, as it seems you don't know English very well, then please, just let other people write the articles. Right now you are helping neither us, nor the viewers of this wiki. But right now, it isn't much of a stretch for people to think you are simply trying to pick a fight. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:82.17.140.55

2008-05-18T22:59:45Z

(Undecided):

Leaving aside the fact that the TF articles on Wikipedia are frequently wrong, nowhere on Wheeljack's Wikipedia article does it says that he was in season 3. And even if it did, it would be wrong. And "no one tells me what to do?" Heey, welcome to a wiki. Have you perhaps not been to one before? Now, you can quit being an asshole, or you can say sayonara. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Watch your language. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 12:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

{{correctenglish}}
There's nothing wrong with expanding a short article and adding a reasonable amount of humor{{m-}}so long as you adhere to the wiki style guide and your grammar, spelling, and syntax are at least reasonably close to correct. Your article for the TFA Constructicons was riddled with syntax errors, plus it was essentially the same article for both with just a name change here and there, which we try to avoid. (That's actually a little more forgivable if the articles are at least written properly.) If you'd fixed your spelling, grammar, etc. and tried to make the two articles more different rather than kept pasting the same ones (very slightly changed) back in again, they wouldn't have been repeatedly reverted.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:We might be more kind if you stop repeatedly putting up the same, error ridden, factually flawed, poorly written articles, when we keep telling you (politely at first) that while we appreciate the effort, we have standards, your material is not up to them. Instead of accepting that you're writing is not up to snuff, you keep continually reposting your work, slapping us in the face, telling us that you don't care what we think, and that you are always correct. Basically, you seem like a colossal jerk.
If you can improve your work, then you are welcome to contribute, if you cannot, as it seems you don't know English very well, then please, just let other people write the articles. Right now you are helping neither us, nor the viewers of this wiki. But right now, it isn't much of a stretch for people to think you are simply trying to pick a fight. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Sentinel Prime (Animated)

2008-05-18T22:39:30Z

(Undecided): Undo revision 186673 by 70.245.225.62 (talk) Not funny, not relavent, not neccesary.

{{disambig3|Sentinel Prime}}

:''Sentinel Prime is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Animated SentinelPrime earthrobot.jpg|250px|right|thumb|"Where is the jerk that calls himself Sentinel Prime?" "'''I''' am that jerk!"]]

'''Sentinel Prime''' is a member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] under the command of [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]. Sentinel has a history of rivalry with [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], who attended the [[Autobot Academy]] with him. In his academy days, he was somewhat of a maverick, leading the more responsible Optimus to refer to him as a "walking malfunction." Of course, he's the one that ended up on the Elite Guard while Optimus was sent off to repair space bridges, of which fact he's all too fond of reminding his former classmate. He also has a bit of a superiority complex toward non-guardsmen Autobots, not to mention that he's intensely organic-phobic.


All things considered, he's kind of a jerk.

His alt-mode is a snow plow truck. He possesses an energy lance and an arm-mounted shield which can be expanded into a force-field, as well as tossed about as a weapon. Basically, he'd be a knight in shining armor...if he wasn't such a jerk.

{{quote|But Sentinel...}}{{quote|...is a glitch-head. All due respect.|[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] sum up Sentinel Prime|"[[The Elite Guard]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[Townsend Coleman]] (English), [[Peter Reinhardt]] (German)
[[Image:animated_sentinel1.JPG|left|thumb|200px|"You're gonna need tickets to{{m-}}THE GUN SHOW!"]]

Sentinel took Optimus and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]] on a mission looking for an old Decepticon warship, hoping to get all the [[energon]] stored within. However, they ran into a pack of massive arachnids. Sentinel tried to hold them off long enough for Optimus and Elita to escape. When he came across a ship that Optimus and Elita had found, Optimus had to drag him away from the exploding energon, forcing them to leave Elita-1 behind. Optimus's radar couldn't find Elita's energy signature, and he assumed that she was dead. A furious Sentinel blamed Optimus for what happened, even though this whole disaster had been ''his'' idea. Jerk. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

Years later, he was still a jerk. When Optimus Prime rang up the Cybertron Elite Guard to tell them of the Decepticons in pursuit, he sneered that a screw-up like Optimus wasn't worth the attention of Ultra Magnus. Piping through a visual of the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] from the cargo hold of [[Autobot ship (Animated)|their ship]] shut him up quickly enough. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

[[Image:Sentl prime alt.jpg|right|thumb|200px|When the snow starts a-falling, There's a man you should be calling...]]
Later, the Elite Guard visited Earth to reclaim the AllSpark. When [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] decided to take a closer look at the humans, Sentinel warned that organics could spew out slime that melts through armor plating, deliberately goading Optimus Prime with memories of Elita One's fate. He decontaminated Optimus Prime's crew after setting a force field around the ship. When he heard that they'd defeated [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and the Decepticons, he didn't believe Optimus, almost causing a fight between him and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]. Sentinel boasted to Ultra Magnus that he had taken the initiative and scanned some "typical" Earth vehicles so they would not draw undue attention. He had, in fact, scanned massive, destructive vehicles for them both.

En route to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], Sentinel further evidenced how subtlety obviously isn't his strong point by driving through a blockade and off an overpass still under construction. When he, Optimus and Magnus arrived, they encountered the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s, and Sentinel began to attack, believing their technology was primitive. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]'s subsequent [[transformation]] caught him off guard. They then went back to the city to take care of malfunctioning police drones. Sentinel started to act like a jerk again, more worried about organic contamination, and vowed to see Optimus arraigned on charges of high treason, but Optimus finally told Sentinel off, saying to his former friend that Sentinel was on his turf now. Even when shown proof of the AllSpark not being destroyed, Sentinel's attitude did not change. He was thus rather surprised when Ultra Magnus said that Optimus had characteristics that Sentinel himself could stand to learn.

Ha ha. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

[[Image:Sentinelprimeanimatedbattlemask.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Come one, come all! Join the merriment at the Cybertronian Renaissance Faire!.]]
[[Image:Sentinelprimeanimatedknightmode.jpg|thumb|right|150px|He's here to eat giant turkey legs and kick butt... and he's all out of giant turkey legs.]]
Not taking the criticism to heart at all, he continued to be a general jerk to Optimus, the local police, humans, and pretty much everyone. His comeuppance would soon come in the form of a humiliating body-jacking by the Headmaster. Putting his reputation (and his noggin) in Optimus Prime's hands, he trusted his comrade to help him get his body back without letting anybody else find out. In this state he was slightly less condescending to Optimus, but it was hard to talk down to someone when reduced to 1/10th his size. He still had choice words about Optimus' practices in the process of saving his body however, such as ripping its arm off and using his head as a soccer ball. Deep down, Optimus was enjoying himself.

After recovering his body, Sentinel had to face the embarrassing prospect of reporting to Ultra Magnus, but surprisingly enough, Optimus covered for him. It took every ounce of effort for the big guy to utter a "thank you" to his comrade later.

While in the Headmaster's possession, Sentinel's body's weapons were upgraded into more powerful forms. At the moment it's not clear whether Sentinel got to keep the upgrades when the Headmaster Unit was separated or not.
{{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}}

Unfortunately, the whole Headmaster debacle ''still'' failed to purge Sentinel of even a dram of his jerk quotient. When Optimus protested Ultra Magnus's decision to have his crew join the rest of the Autobots off-Earth, Sentinel was quick to jump on Optimus, saying that ''no'' sign of Decepticon activity had been detected (failing to consider that the Decepticons had been dampening their signals). He even went so far as to bribe Optimus with an offer of reinstatement in the Elite Guard if he went along with the official story. Through all this, he was more than slightly keen to slap [[stasis cuffs]] on Optimus in order to get him to comply with Magnus's orders.

[[Image:Sentinel Prime shocked.jpg|thumb|left|Will get owned again...]]
When the Elite Guard's ship detected an AllSpark fragment in a runaway passenger train (actually a trap set by [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]), Sentinel was irritated to find that he had to stay behind and nursemaid "Maintenance Prime" while Ultra Magnus and Jazz set off to investigate. The situation got worse when, discovering Decepticon presence, Optimus goaded Sentinel into a blind attack and took the opportunity to slap the stasis cuffs on ''him.'' Poor sap...{snicker}

Sentinel eventually worked his way out of the cuffs and pursued Optimus to where the AllSparked train had stopped, threatening to have him tried and blacklisted for assaulting an Elite Guard, dismissing out of hand Optimus's justification of Decepticon involvement. Fortunately for Optimus, Megatron and [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] chose that moment to blast Starscream to the ground in front of the Autobots.

[[Image:Sentinel vs Optimus, with Jazz in the middle.jpg|thumb|right|"You're a jerk!" "No, you!" "No, YOU!" "Ummm... bad guy?"]]
Sentinel had to take more time than the other Elite Guards to rally; unlike Magnus and Optimus, he had never seen a Decepticon before. Initial dismay aside, Sentinel did manage to last longer than the other Autobots against Starscream's onslaught, but the only reason he didn't fall was that Optimus took the stasis cuffs Sentinel had brought with him (anticipating Optimus's formal arrest as he was) and slapped them onto Starscream. Sentinel still thought Optimus drew out that battle on purpose.

Afterwards, Magnus expressed admiration over Optimus's willingness to disregard what were clearly ill-informed orders—praise to which Sentinel, predictably, objected. This just earned him another chastisement from Magnus about how sometimes the right thing ''was'' to trust one's gut over the book. Shortly afterwards, the Elite Guard departed for Cybertron. Sentinel could probably sigh in relief—no more looking worse than the "washout". {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Deluxeanimatedsentinel.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Must suck that [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|the washout]] gets better toys.]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (Deluxe, 2008)
: Sentinel Prime transforms into a monster-truck snowplow, and is armed in robot mode with his trademark shield and lance. Unfortunately, due to the size it will be incompatible with the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] accessory (which only works with Leader class toys).
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Trivia==

[[Image:TFASentinel.jpg|right|thumb|'''''Spoooon!''''']]
* Sentinel Prime's blue coloration and ''especially'' pronounced chin (even by normal ''Animated'' standards!) really make him look like [[wikipedia: Tick (comics)|The Tick]]. He's even voiced by Townsend Coleman, who provided the voice of the Tick in his 1990s animated series. At the Cartoon Network panel at BotCon 2008, it was confirmed that Sentinel's design was created after Coleman was cast for the role. It's pretty evident that the writers are running with it, having him utter silly, Tick-esque lines like "Energon-y goodness!"
* At Botcon 2008's Cartoon Network panel, Derrick J. Wyatt confirmed that originally the character of Sentinel Prime was going to be Rodimus Prime, but the idea of casting Rodimus as a big jerk didn't sit well with some people.
* Sentinel Prime's shield-tossing fighting style is a fairly direct reference to [[Captain America]]. Far more coincidentally, one of Captain America's many sobriquets is the "Sentinel of Liberty".
* In "[[The Elite Guard]]", it is revealed that the "Prime" in his and Optimus's name is a designation of rank, so despite Optimus being an academy washout, he's still Sentinel's equal. This no doubt irritates Sentinel quite a bit.
* Though characters named "[[Sentinel Prime]]" have been used or shown in two comics continuities and mentioned on the back of toy packaging, this is the first time a character named "Sentinel Prime" has been used in a cartoon and been produced as a toy.

[[Category: Animated characters]]
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Mixmaster (Animated)

2008-05-18T08:37:28Z

(Undecided): Changing "metal stick thingies" to "piles" does not constitute a re-write.

{{disambig3|Mixmaster}}
:''Mixmaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Mixmaster''' (nicknamed "Mix") is one of the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]].

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jeff Bennett]] (English)
Mix is short and bulky and has his mixing barrel in his chest. He also has a handlebar 'stache—seriously. Though technically the 'stache-sideburn combo is referred to as "friendly mutton-chops".

{{coming soon}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:Mixmasterbutt.JPG|right|thumb|95px|Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all!]]
*Mixmaster follows the true construction tradition of showing his buttcrack.
*Mixmaster calls himself Mix, because he thinks the name Mixmaster is too long.

{{charstub}}
[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Constructicons]]
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MediaWiki talk:Spoilers

2008-05-18T06:41:01Z

(Undecided): /* Animated Cartoon Canadian airdate */ new section

Since we're tweaking the spoiler tag, perhaps this would be a good opportunity to write an actual spoiler policy akin to the [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|Caption]] policy page rather than linking to Wikipedia for this. Such an article would ideally go at [[Transformers Wiki:Spoiler]].

As for what would go on such a page, I'll get the ball rolling with the following:
*Spoiler tags are removed six months after publication/airtime/movie release.
*Spoiler tags are not used on cartoon episode or comic issue pages. If you read the plot summaries on these articles ''you should not be surprised if you get spoiled''.
Anything else that should go in there?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:Six months seems excessive (and would cause lots of clutter when people forget to remove them in half a year). One month would be better. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 19:55, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::Six months is excessive. For comics, I'd suggest a week, but if some feel a month is necessary, I think that's about the top window. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Eh, I tried to err on the side of caution. I don't mind if it's shorter.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::::The problem with measuring the spoiler-time from when the comic ''issue'' is published, is that some of us only buy the trade paperbacks. I suspect, however, if I suggest it should be "one month from when the trade paperback is released", I'll meet with a lot of resistance . . . (And let's not get into those of us who don't watch the shows on TV, but buy the DVDs . . . ) [[User:JW|JW]] 20:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Are we setting an automatic removal thingermabob of some sort? Or is someone going to religiously purge spoiler tags from articles once a month? 'Cause otherwise, it's relatively moot.
:::::I'd say anything from 2-4 weeks is entirely reasonable. I know I don't always make the trip to the comic store every week, and some people wait for the trades... though if we wait for the trades, nobody's gonna remember to do cleanup. I know I never even see the damn things, let alone know when they come out... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

:::::I'd say two weeks max for comics. In the majority of instances, if you haven't picked up the book within two weeks of publication, it's your own damn fault and I frankly can't work up any sympathy for you being spoiled, ESPECIALLY if you're going to wait the six-plus months plus for a damn trade collection to come out. (And this is coming from someone who sometimes has month-long gaps bewteen comic store visits). Waiting for trades is going back to "well, people in Botswana haven't seen the episode yet" ridiculous extremes. Same for movies. 
:::::TV shows are a little trickier, since even with VCRs and Tivo, you're more at the whim of when the channel reruns it. So say... a month? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:30, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Moving the discussion over here because now that the [[Transformers Wiki:Images|image policy]] is done I think I'm going to start working on this next.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

:Whatever we go with, I favor a universal window of time during which things are considered "spoilers." Makes things simpler, unless there's a really good reason why one medium deserves different protection than another. A month from general release seems fair enough to me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I favor a week. I don't like spoiler templates in the first place, and a month is entirely too much. I'd also make a point to not use the template in stuff clearly labeled "plot", "summary", or the like. That those contain spoilers should be evident. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think most people really have the time to stay on top of all the fiction immediately like that. I think it's pretty common (and I cite myself as an example) to go to the comic shop about once a month and clean out a subscription box, or let TV shows queue up on the TiVo or in the download folder until free time comes up. I do think our spoiler-window should be a single unit of time for simplicity, but I think a month is closer to realistic than a week for what we can expect of people's habits. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::That doesn't really work with current television shows, since then you'd be putting several templates (four, usually; depending on how many new episodes are aired in a month) into a small space, making for a unpleasant sight. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:32, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::<strike>I'm not sure what you mean by that.</strike> '''Edit:''' Wait, no, I think I see what you mean. For instance, the [[Sari Sumdac]] "Fiction" section would have a bunch of spoiler tags for various pieces of information, according to the corresponding source episodes (which would each have different expiry dates). Hm. Well, how about a rule like "one month or until the next episode/issue comes out, whichever comes first"? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I guess that works. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:13, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I added a category to the spoiler template, to make it much easier to track down the various instances of it and remove them when the time period expires. This should make it more viable to have longer "spoiler periods" if desired.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Animated Cartoon Canadian airdate ==

So whats the policy of the Canadian broadcast spoilers? So far I've seen spoiler warnings of sections of articles until a week after the North American broadcast, and other times it's removed a week after the Canadian broadcast date, the day of the regular North American broadcast? Come to think of it, what is the policy for the cartoon under normal circumstances? It doesn't seem to be written in stone anywhere. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 06:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>