Talk:Transformers Hall of Fame

2011-08-24T03:16:26Z

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== Characters ==

Just out of curiosity, what do they mean by the "character" [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]]? Or is it more of a "name" than a character to be inducted? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:27, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
:To Hasbro, I think they are all pretty much the same character, just reimaged from time to time. Probably even Primal. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:41, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
::That's what I figured. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:50, 26 March 2010 (EDT)

== Jazz' bio ==

"Before OPTIMUS PRIME became leader of the AUTOBOTS, he was known as Orion Pax and AUTOBOT JAZZ was his closest friend." You ''could'' read that as saying Jazz is Dion. Ow. Brain hurting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:I know that was in jest, but it's still a can of worms we shouldn't open. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 11:04, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I regretted it as soon as that anon tried to add it to the article. Besides, everyone knows Dion is Huffer. ;)--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:16, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::You know, I used to be kinda looking forward to this Hall of Fame thing, even if I was slightly bitter many of my favourites will never make it. Three bios in and only Grimlock's I consider marginally readable. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:37, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

== Faction icon ==

We could use a faction icon for Hall of Fame members. At least the creators. It might be difficult for the characters since they are continuity nonspecific. What should the picture be? Just a star? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:43, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Mistake on Hasbro press release with Japanese designer names? ==

On the wiki, we usually use names and make articles with them in the western style (given name first, family name second). However, on Hasbro's press release they display Hideaki Yoke's name in the Japanese style (surname first, given name second), and then go on to refer to his first name as if it's his surname. Kojin Ohno's name is inconsistently displayed in the western style, but they correctly refer to Ohno as his surname (at least [http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20060319x3.html according to this english-language article] uses "Ohno" as his surname). Did Hasbro screw up? Somebody has already listed Kojin Ohno's named in the western style, but linked it in the Japanese style. Finally, while searching for info, it seems most of the internet spells Kojin Ohno's name as "Koujin". Now I don't know what source to trust, unless Kojin Ohno and Koujin Ohno are two different people. Erm, halp, people with actual experience in Japanese. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:Just inconsistent romanization. The [http://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%A4%A7%E9%87%8E%E5%85%89%E4%BB%81+%E3%81%8A%E3%81%86%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93%E3%81%86%E3%81%98%E3%82%93&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a search results] for Ōno-san's name in both kanji and hiragana bear out that the vowel is extended for both his first and last name. So with our adopted standard of using macrons to indicate extended Japanese vowels, we'd write it Kōjin Ōno. And yeah, whoever wrote the Hasbro article also goofed on Yoke-san's name.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:56, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::Okay, I'm confused - in english, without the whole asian naming convention thing, is Kojin is surname or his given name? What about article titles? A lot of the Takara designer articles I created were straight up english interpretations of their names (mainly according to how Sydneyy spelled them in his translated Takara designer interviews on TFW2005). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Kojin is the given name. Can you list/link to the translated interviews Sydney worked on at TFW? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Sorry, I had a Senior Senility Moment. I've fixed the name order in my previous response here, so as to make it easier reading later on, but for the record, I had it in Asian order and misused Ōno-san's first name as his last name. I hang my head in shame for not taking a second to transpose the names from the way they're written in the search results.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 04:52, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

== Dinobot & Scott McNeil ==

I don't think there was any blunder on Hasbro's part. There was no speaking for any of the other characters. Peter Cullen just accepted his award as himself, the voice actor of Optimus Prime. He was nominted in name. While Scott is a good reason Dinobot won the award, he is not Dinobot. Why should Dinobot get someone to speak as the character when none of the other inductees did? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:41, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
: Exactly. It would have been bad form and something of an upstaging of Cullen, one of the actual inductees, to have McNeil go up to accept an award as a character when none of the other characters received speeches. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

== What incarnations? ==

The Botcon tribute videos, perhaps not inaccurately for the general public and layman TFan, portray the G1, UT, Movie and Animated versions of Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee and Starscream as the same character. Should we add the HOF insignia to [[Optimus Prime (Armada)]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]], [[Optimus Prime (Animated)]], [[Megatron (Animated)]], [[Megatron (Movie)]], [[Starscream (Armada)]], [[Starscream (Movie)]], [[Starscream (Animated)]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)]], and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]]? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:41, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:I thought we had already decided to do so. I know there was a discussion on the community portal a while back. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, that these awards were being considered a blanket award to every version of the character was known as far back as the voting process. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Understood, but should we add the HOF logo to the aforementioned pages or not? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:11, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't see why not. Surprised they haven't been already. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Optimus shelf included his Shattered Glass toy. Should we put the icon on everybody's SG analogues as well? And conspicuously absent were the WFC toys (and thus Prime incarnations) of Megs, OP, and BB--so should we leave those analogues out? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:55, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I can understand that since they're not part of a celebration of a 25-year old legacy. Were the RID characters included the final video of the night or in a display? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:03, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I would expect to include every Optimus Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, and Starscream ever. That's clearly the intent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:08, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I wouldn't expect it to include BW Megs, but other than that everybody. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:18, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::And probably not [[Dinobot (Transmetal)]], either. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:20, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Why not? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::::They're vastly different characters. I doubt even Hasbro considers the G1 and Beats Wars incarnations of Megatron to be the same character, since they both appeared in the same series. The 2 Dinobots could be argued to be basically the same character, I suppose, especially with Dinobot II's heroic sacrifice and all that. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]]
:::::::::If Hasbro flags Dinobot II as being Dinobot, I don't see why the "other" Dinobot doesn't get to come along for the ride as well, especially since Starscreams can also be pretty different. "Dinobot" is in the Hall of Fame, same as "Bumblebee," "Optimus Prime," "Megatron," and "Starscream." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:57, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I just watched the Hall of Fame videos for Dinobot and Megatron, and the Dinobot video did, indeed, include Dinobot II. The Megatron video, however, did not include Beast Wars Megatron; it only had the G1, Movie and Animated incarnations. Take that as you will. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:09, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Exactly, besides, the ''Beast Wars'' version of the inducted Megatron is [[:Image:G1Megatron MasterBlaster stasislock.jpg|this guy]]. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:30, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
Most importantly... does anybody know the name of the songs for each hall of fame video? {{unsigned|201.34.249.124|18:35, 5 August 2010 (EDT)}}
:Via Devcon on the Allspark:
*Prime was "What I've done" by Linkin Park
*Bee was "The Best" (That song from Karate Kid)
*Megs was "Seek and Destroy" from Metallica
*Screamer was "Danger Zone" (from Top Gun)
*Jazz was "Holding out for a Hero"
*Soundwave was "I love Rock n' Roll" by Joan Jett
*Shockwave was "Final Countdown" by Europe
*Grimlock was the Godzilla Theme
*and Dinobot (nomination version) was "Welcome to the Jungle" by GNR.
The versions on the website use canned music replacements, obviously. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:14, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:Dinobot's replacement is The Touch, though, which is pretty damned awesome. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:55, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::No. Dinobot ('''nomination version''') was "Welcome to the Jungle." Dinobot had two videos: one that was presented along with the other four nominees, and one for when he won, which is the one that's online. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:45, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Man, whatever. We're way off-topic anyway. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 02:44, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

==Prime characters==
So, uh, what about the Prime guys? [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime²]] and the rest currently lack HoF icons, but personally I'm of the opinion that it's silly to think Hasbro considers them exceptions. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:21, 8 February 2011 (EST)
:I think that was an oversight when those articles were created. I'm sure that it's Hasbro's intention that future Optimus Primes/Megatrons/etc would be counted as Hall of Fame members. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 8 February 2011 (EST)
::I think it'll be fine to add them since their bios reiterate their ''Exodus'' depictions. So yeah, I'll get round to it unless someone objects or just does it. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:09, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Done.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:21, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
::::Whoops. Didn't realize there was a category, too. Sorry.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:26, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Fixing up? ==

Now that we know everything about the HOF will be a yearly thing, including the fan vote, maybe it's time to move all the inductees down to a dedicated section rather than the opening paragraph? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:45, 4 April 2011 (EDT)

== Exodus 2011 ==

Is it me or is the word Exodus used A Lot in the 2011 profiles. Not that we needed it, but do you thiink that rates a "note" as shundting these toward being in the Aligned continuity? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:50, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:The 2010 bios were already aligned continuity too. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:10, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::Twice is "a lot"? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:00, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

== Erector note ==

Has anyone, anywhere, actually said they were voting for Erector because his name is a penis joke? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:Of course not. It's "funnier" if they pretend it's because he represents Micromasters and the Z-listers and bla bla bla. And by "funnier" I mean "not funny at all, really". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:36, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:I thought Erector in the Hall of Fame was a joke for an April fools hall of fame at TFW.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 20:23, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:Actually, a number of people have admitted to voting for him for the penis joke value, but there are others who just wanted to see if they could get a footnote in the lore as far as the Hall of Fame. So it's not ''all'' about the boner, despite M Sipher's claims ;) --[[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 13:06, 15 April 2011 (PDT)
::And what would that footnote be? The ONLY reason for voting for this guy is that his name is a penis joke. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:22, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Personally, I've been voting for him because he was my favorite Micromaster. I used to play with my Erector daily (so sorry, had to get that out of my system). Seriously though, I have a lot of affection for the little guy. I'd love to see him in the company of Optimus Prime and Dinobot. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:08, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

== What incarnations? Take two. ==

{{note|Copied from Alientraveler and my talkpages for more input}}
Are [[Ratchet (Universe)]], [[Ratchet (SG)]], [[Soundwave (BW)]], [[Soundwave (Cybertron)]], [[Sir Soundwave]], [[Ironhide (Energon)]], [[Ironhide (Universe)]], [[Ironhide (RID)]], [[Ironhide (SG)]], [[Ironhide (Armada)]], <strike>[[Cliffjumper (Armada)]], [[Cliffjumper (Energon)]] and [[Cliffjumper (SG)]]</strike> supposed to get HOF icons too? I could see the two Armada characters being excluded as they are both females, but the others seem like they should definitely be included. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:35, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:I based the inclusion on the toys shown at the Hall of Fame. Check them out [http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228373357188447.77714.166004856758631 here]. I'm still waiting on the tribute videos to go online to see if Hasbro counts ''Cybertron'' Soundwave. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 12:37, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::I think you're putting a little too much emphasis on which toys were used for these rather random displays. For example, no RID Prime or Megatron is present in the displays but Hasbro said that no version of OP or Megs was eligible for the fan votes as they were automatically inducted as part of the first class. Similar language was used to exclude any version of Ironhide etc in this year's voting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I doubt they were that random. I don't think Hasbro considers ''Energon'' Ironhide the same character because he's a kid-appeal character as opposed to Optimus's gruff right-hand bot. That's why I'm waiting on the videos for a final check: we used the videos to determine which pages went into the category last year and mentioned the odd exception (the RID versions in their notes). [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I wasn't there, but everything I've heard suggests that they only used footage that was DVD-quality - so no Cybertron Soundwave at all. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:50, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, [[Rik Alvarez]], who put the videos together, said he'd have used Animated Waspinator and Grimlock, for example, but he didn't have DVDs of those guys handy. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:53, 10 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::So, what's the verdict? Which versions do we tag? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:14, 10 June 2011 (EDT)

== Kre-O ==

What the deal with these guys do we include the versions of Optimus, Bumblebee, Starscream, Megatron and Ratchet as hall of famers?

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