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The Hanging Sword

2010-10-17T13:57:26Z

110.33.216.191: /* Items of note */

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|caption=I picked out the new carpet... does the leader do anything else?
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[December 16]], [[2009]]
|coverdate=December 2009
|writer=[[Zander Cannon]]
|artist=[[Chee Yang Ong]]
|colorist=[[Moose Baumann]]
|letterer=[[Neil Uyetake]]
|editor=[[Andy Schmidt]]
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'''Bumblebee adjusts to his unexpected role and tries to forge a new alliance.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Bumblebee 1 Leader.jpg|thumb|250px|left|And there was much rejoicing]]

The election of Bumblebee as Autobot leader is full of cheer, but within a few days, Bumblebee wishes he could give up the title. Tensions are high as the [[Autobot]]s either stay in hiding, or forge out on their own. Ratchet rebukes a disrespectful Wheeljack, who later receives a transmission from Colonel Gordon Horiuchi. While Bumblebee is explaining to Omega Supreme that he must hide in a very uncomfortable cave, Wheeljack listens to the Colonel, who states that he is part of a small group of rebels within [[Skywatch]] who want to work with the Autobots to capture [[Decepticon]]s. Wheeljack decides to make contact.

Bumblebee and Ratchet are furious when they find out, but agree to meet the Colonel anyway. At a neutral location, Horiuchi meets with Bumblebee, explains the desire to work with the Autobots. He cites Skywarp as an example, who has recently attacked two defense suppliers. Unbeknownst to them, Skywarp is secretly stockpiling weapons for the day when [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] returns. Horiuchi gives Bumblebee a set of badges that will mask Transformer signals from Skywatch's scanners. Bumblebee takes the badges back to base where they are soon installed on each Autobot.

Shortly, the Autobots capture six Decepticons, the latest being Frenzy, who's lost without [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. The next on the list is Scavenger, but instead, Horiuchi wants them to capture Blurr, who had earlier left the team. Cliffjumper blusters out that the Colonel is crazy if he thinks they will capture one of their own. Horiuchi has his tech activate an immobilizer built into Cliffjumper's badge, locking him into vehicle mode. The Autobots are aghast, but Horiuchi merely explains it is until he calms down. The Autobots all realize that they are now pawns for Horiuchi, who will use them as he see fit to capture friend and foe alike.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (1)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (2)
* [[Bluestreak|Silverstreak]] (3)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (4)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper ]] (5)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (6)
* [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (9)
* [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (18)
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (19)

|c2=
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (7)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (12)
* [[Cindersaur]] (13)
* [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] (14)
* [[Axer]] (15)
* [[Squawkbox]] (16)
* [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (17)

|c3=
* Colonel [[Gordon Horiuchi]] (8)
* Lieutenant [[Daniel Klonowski]] (10)
* [[Skywatch]] personnel (11)
}}

== Errors ==
* Silverstreak was listed as having left with Hot Rod in Ongoing # 2, but a very Bluestreak-looking Autobot is among those cheering for Bumblebee on the second page. Perhaps Silverstreak is a different character? Or maybe it's supposed to be [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]]?
* Bumblebee lists six Decepticons captured (with mugshots of six Decepticons behind him), but just a few panels later, Cnl. Horiuchi says it's ''five'' Decepticons captured, with the sixth mugshot (Scavenger) representing the next target.

== Items of note ==
* [[Cindersaur]], [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]], [[Axer]] and [[Squawkbox]] somehow made it to Earth within the last three years.
* This is also Cindersaur's first appearance in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].
* Though the character designs for this miniseries are very different from the [[The Transformers (IDW)|ongoing title]], it's still odd that Cliffjumper retained his ''[[All Hail Megatron]]'' design while Bumblebee has been changed to his Sunbow design.
* Blurr deserted in [[A Rude Awakening|Ongoing #3]].
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] left Earth three years ago. You'd think Frenzy would be used to it by now.
* The title is a reference to the ancient Greek story of the sword of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damocles Damocles].

===Covers (3)===
{{picsneeded|cover RI}}
* '''Cover A:''' Happy Bumblebee and a mad Hot Rod; art by [[Guido Guidi]] with colors by [[Josh Burcham]].
* '''Cover B:''' Unhappy Bumblebee standing on the Autobot symbol; art by [[Chee Yang Ong]] with colors by [[Moose Baumann]].
* '''Cover RI:''' Black and white sketch version of cover B.

<gallery>
Image:Transformers Bumblebee 1A.jpg|Back to my G1 [[character model]]—YES!
Image:Transformers Bumblebee 1B.jpg|Ok, I'm small, get over it!
Image:Transformers Bumblebee 1 CoverRI.jpg|RI cover
</gallery>

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User talk:110.33.216.191

2010-10-13T13:50:54Z

110.33.216.191:

== Beast Wars vs Beast Era ==

The "Beast Wars" is the battle between Optimus Primal's Maximals and Megatron's Predacons that occurred on prehistoric Earth. The Beast Era is the native time era of those characters. The distinction is, perhaps, not made clear in the sentence that you changed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:02, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

:Thanks, however, while I do understand the difference between the Beast Wars and the overall Beast Era, it seems to me that the period that is described as taking place over a variable 3-ish million years is surely supposed to be the Great War depicted earlier in the G1 timeline by the G1 franchise (to make a similar distinction), rather than the Beast Era/Wars, which is how that part of the sentence originally read. As originally written, the sentence appeared to be vaguely contradictory, unless what you mean is that the overall conflict between Primal and Megatron's Beast Warriors (The Beast Wars) are look place ACROSS a 3 million year period DUE TO TIME TRAVEL, as distinct from the date of the "native" beast era being 300 years after G1?
:I'm now actually pretty sure the latter is the original intent of the sentence, but as my confusion indicates, it is not a particularly clearly-expressed point.
:May I suggest and alternative phrasing to better clarify the issue?
::From the [[Beast Wars (franchise)]] page
:::==Prehistoric Earth==
:::The Beast Wars' time period (like its exact location,<ref>Visual evidence suggests Northern Africa, but that would of course be impossible given some of the distances shown being covered on foot. (The main reason their location was left vague, thus, was a narrative one.)</ref>) was never established during the cartoon's original run. In the years ''after'' the cartoon ended several official dates have been given:

:::* 3,000,000 years ago — [[Micromaster Collection|Reissue Sixtrain Booklet]]<ref>The Japanese dating of the events of Beast Wars as "3 Million Years Ago" appears to stem from mis-reading Optimus Primal's statement in the episode "[[Optimal Situation]]" that they would have four million years to "scrape Megatron off the walls" as a literal rather than figurative timeframe. Regardless, 3 million years is unquestionably 'correct' ''for'' ''[[Micromaster Collection]]'' continuity... it was the age of wreckage discovered from that era.</ref> — (August, 2003)
:::* 180,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino|BC]] — "[[Primeval Dawn Part 2]]" — (July, 2004)
:::* 70,000 [[wikipedia:Anno Domino|BC]] — [[The Gathering issue 2|''Beast Wars: The Gathering'' #2]] — (March, 2006)

:::Each of these dates applies to a different [[continuity]] or "alternate dimension" within the Transformers Multiverse, so they do not ''conflict'' with one another. The Maximals and Predacons in those dimensions simply crashed at different times, but had otherwise identical adventures. (Generally with different events taking place 'offscreen' unique to each [[expanded continuity]].)

:::Though Earth's geology and biology seen in the cartoon does not fit any single era, the loose "window" of 70,000–180,000 B.C. seems to represent two extremes that are "about right."

::Thus, the events of the Beast Wars are said to have occurred 3 million years ago, 180000 years ago, or 70000 years ago depending on the exact continuity being discussed. However, the Beast Era the characters originated from is ALWAYS ~300 years later than the destruction of Unicron. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:28, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

:::: Aha! So, I was still wrong on all counts.
:::: :-X
:::: Thanks very much for explaining, it is certainly appreciated. May I suggest that the statement as written in the article is still sufficiently obscure/unclear (albeit technically accurate) to warrant slight rewriting/expansion to better illustrate the point, as you have now successfully explained it to me? I doubt I'm the first person to make either of my two successive false interpretations of what that sentence actually means.
:::::Agreed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:44, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Thanks dude. Would you mind having a stab at it yourself? You clearly have a more comprehensive command of the material.

User talk:110.33.216.191

2010-10-13T13:41:08Z

110.33.216.191: /* Beast Wars vs Beast Era */

User talk:110.33.216.191

2010-10-13T13:13:39Z

110.33.216.191: /* Beast Wars vs Beast Era */

Beast Era

2010-10-13T12:41:23Z

110.33.216.191: My apologies if I am mistaken, but I'm just correcting what seems to me to be a simple error.

The '''Beast Era''' is an umbrella term used by fans to refer to the future time period in which ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' and its related franchises are set. The term can also be applied to toy design, "Beast Era toys" referring to the common design aesthetic of the 1996-2000 toylines: [[ball joint]]s, [[shellformer]]s, etc.

==Setting==
Several centuries after the end of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]], the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s have been replaced by [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], two mutually antagonistic empires co-existing under an uneasy truce called the [[Pax Cybertronia]], jockeying for advantage before the resumption of all-out hostilities.

Unlike the battleground of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]], whose time frame can vary by up to 3 million years, the Beast Era has been [[Apelinq's War Journals|consistently]] [[Departure|established]]
[[Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|to be]] ~300 years in the future.<ref>"[[Dark Designs (episode)|Dark Designs]]" had [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] identify the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] as occurring "three centuries ago."</ref> The [[3H]] ''[[Apelinq's War Journals|Expanded Universe]]'' specifies the [[Beast Machines (cartoon)|''Beast Machines'']] series as taking place in "316 AU," or the year 2321 [[wikipedia:Anno Domini|Anno Domini]].<ref>This assumes "AU" to mean "After Unicron", in reference to his [[The Transformers: The Movie|2005 defeat]].</ref> This date may not apply for all [[continuities]], where the relative placement and even order of the franchises can vary. ''*sigh*'

{{quote|Our setting is the planet ''Cybertron''—some three hundred years after the destruction of the chaos-bringer, ''Unicron''.|[[Departure|Wreckers #1, introduction]], 2001}}

==Franchises==
The Beast Era franchises include:
* [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] — 1996
* [[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]] — 1998
* [[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]] — 1999
* [[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]] — 2000
* [[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]] — 2003

The canceled 2001 ''[[Transtech]]'' franchise would have been part of the Beast Era, following the events of ''Beast Machines''.

The 2001 [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] series (featuring vehicular [[Autobot]]s vs. bestial [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]]) set on modern-day [[Earth]] is ''not'' considered a Beast Era series, though it may have been conceived as a logical inversion of ''Beast Wars II''.

The Beast Era ''could'' be considered a [[continuity family]], since each franchise features many continuities (not all of which fit together), but it is generally treated as a subset of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].

==Other information==
[[IDW Publishing|IDW Publishing's]] four-issue mini series, ''[[The Gathering|Beast Wars: The Gathering]]'', and its sequel, ''[[The Ascending|Beast Wars: The Ascending]]'', can also be included in continuity, as their premise is based on an unresolved plot point from the American ''Beast Wars'' cartoon.

Also included in this [[continuity]] is [[BotCon 2007|BotCon 2007's]] 15-minute ''Beast Wars'' prequel episode, "[[Theft of the Golden Disk]]", which shows how [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and his team of [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] criminals stole the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]].

==References==
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[[Category:Beast Era| ]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

Blackout (Animated)

2010-10-09T14:03:14Z

110.33.216.191: /* Notes */ Not much basis for this, I think. Although the colours of his face are perhaps a bit more like Bonecrusher, the overall facial details are definitely a simplification of Blackout's.

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Blackout}}

:''Blackout is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Blackoutanimated.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Not Shown: The fleeing US Army.]]

'''Blackout''' is a monstrous brute of titanic proportions, larger than any other Decepticon. Few have survived an encounter with this hulking behemoth and lived to tell the tale, but those who have survived have added his story to Decepticon lore, which tells of him single-handedly obliterating vast numbers of [[Omega Sentinel (Animated)|Omega Sentinels]], before finally falling himself at the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]]'s end.

And we're not kidding, he can destroy Omega Sentinels well. ''Real well''.
==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor'': [[Bumper Robinson]] (English), [[Kenta Miyake]] (Japanese)
{{Idw-tfa}}
''During the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]], the [[Wrecker]]s were a major problem for the Decepticons, operating behind their lines as a commando unit. Megatron created the [[Decepticon Heavy Brigade]] (of whom Blackout was a member) specifically to hunt down the Wreckers. When they finally met in battle, the Wreckers were all destroyed (including their vessel, [[Zeta Supreme]]), and Blackout was the only survivor on the Decepticon side. He continues to wear the Brigade's symbol on his shoulders, partly to honor the fallen, and partly to announce that he's a Heavy Brigade '''all by himself.'''''

''Later in the war, on [[Velocitron]], he destroyed [[Delta Supreme]], who had been rebuilt into an artillery platform. During the climax of the war in the [[Battle for Iacon]], Blackout destroyed [[Beta Supreme]] '''and''' [[Eta Supreme]]. Make no mistake; he's an '''extremely lethal dude.''''' {{storylink|The AllSpark Almanac 2}}

[[Image:TransWarpedBlackoutAttacks.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Now to the server, I mean... space bridge.]]

Blackout, along with the other members of [[Team Chaar]], assaulted a [[space bridge]] in an attempt to capture it and conquer [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. During the battle, he descended from above, sending [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]] flying and disabling the Space Bridge with a massive shock wave. After being berated by [[Strika (Animated)|Strika]] for his mistake, he apologized and reactivated the Space Bridge with another shock wave. Later, he retreated from the looming battle against the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] under the orders of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and Strika. {{Storylink|TransWarped}}

{{-}}

===''The Cool'' comic===
[[Image:BlackoutanimatedTheCool.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Hatredcopter.]]
As [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] found themselves engaged in a rare tender moment, Blackout unwittingly ruined it by knocking the top of a skyscraper off in helicopter-mode (burying Prime in the rubble). Annoyed, Blackarachnia asked what he was doing there and Blackout explained that he was being pursued by two tenacious Autobots: [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. Blackout attempted to strike the twins with a buzzsaw, but they dodged his attack and swooped in for close-quarters combat. Blackout was unable to defend himself against the two small, quick Autobots, thanks to his unwieldy bulk. The twins then combined into [[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]] and fought the Decepticon bruiser-to-bruiser. Blackarachnia and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] abandoned Blackout to face the Autobots alone, realizing that the battle had become too hazardous. {{storylink|The Cool issue 4|The Cool #4}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Animatedtoy-BlackoutTomy.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Diabeetus.]]
*'''Blackout''' (Voyager, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-20'''
**''Accessories:'' Disc

:Voyager Blackout transforms into the Earth-based helicopter form Blackout would have taken if Season 4 had ever been greenlighted, rather than the beetle-like airship he appears as in "[[TransWarped]]." He shoots a disc from a weapon formed from his tail rotor. This weapon can be snapped into place over either of his wrists. During transformation to robot mode, connecting his pelvis into his torso automatically spring-releases the turbine fan behind his head.

:Blackout was only made available as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s Japanese toyline. He was originally intended to be released under [[Hasbro]]'s toyline, but plans have since changed. Currently, Blackout is not slated for release by Hasbro, but Hasbro has stated that they are "examining options for its availability". Based on test shots, the Hasbro version would have different deco on the eyes and coloration for the Decepticon symbol.

==Notes==
[[Image:Animated_j_op2.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]

* Blackout is an homage to [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] from the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 movie]]. The Takara figure includes a character sheet of Blackout that mentions said homage, complete with images of the movie Voyager figure, misspelled as "moive".
* According to [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], Blackout's modified Decepticon sigil signifies he '''is''' the Decepticon Heavy Brigade.<ref>[http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt Post on Derrick Wyatt's Formspring account]</ref>
* He looks like [http://nastyish.com/images/wilford%20brimley/wilford-brimley-diabeetus.jpg Wilford Brimley.] Derrick Wyatt says he doesn't sound like Wilford Brimley (he sounds like Lurch), but he does suffer from "low-octane oil." [http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt/q/620898456]
* Blackout is armed with 4 <s>[[Zander Cannon]]s</s> [[zander cannon]]s, and [[Galva-conductor|galva conductor]]s in his [[particle blaster]]s. He also has [[astro blaster]]s and a "[[seismic energy disruptor]]".
*In the second Japanese [[title sequence]] to ''Transformers Animated'', there are two of him. This doesn't make sense to us either, [[Grindor (ROTF)|but it does follow tradition]].

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Animated characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]

Talk:Arcee (Animated)

2010-10-09T12:50:03Z

110.33.216.191: /* Scarcity */

== Sex and Gender and Giant Robots ==
I hope nobody minds me linking to the explanation of fridging. As much as I'm liking this series, that got on my tiny tits [[User:Wallace Sage|Wallace Sage]] 23:55, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== D'OOOH!! ==

Surprise surprise, another Arcee toy cancelled. I'm beginning think Hasbro's designers might have some horrid sexuality issues. --[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:11, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:All you've shown is that preorders are canceled. This is often done when the release date changes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:12, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::It is also done when a cartoon and toyline are canceled. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:45, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::And the happy/wink smiley because...? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:49, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Because it's not just a river in Egypt. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:52, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::And now we have confirmation that the toy will be produced. Don't we feel silly now?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:36, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Which the link provided does not indicate. Hasbro has made the investment in the tooling of this figure and at present we only know that it will not make its existing release date. I mean come on, we don't go crazy over scoops otherwise, why should the wiki compromise its principles here?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

We need an "Unproduced Arcee toys" article. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:07, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:1: They are long past their release date. 2: Not even a leaked sample yet (which ''i know'', we wouldn't acknowldge anyway, but that's beside the point), and 3: The preceding wave's cancellation also turned out to be not just about pre-orders.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:18, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::4: Hasbro promotional photos and an official press release/solicit for the figure. Which in this case is the only thing that matters. We are not great internet detectives piecing together some sort of conspiracy, and we are generally much more conservative than most of the news sites regarding what we consider an admissible source.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:28, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::How did we ever source all the other cancelled toys on the wiki, then? Does Hasbro ever come out and outright say that toys have been cancelled? Or is it sort of a, "Well, it's been ''n'' years since the toy was supposed to come out, safe to call it cancelled now" sort of thing?
:::Plus... if people are receiving e-mails from the TFCC, isn't the fanclub usually considered an official source? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:25, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Little of Column A, little of Column B. Word from Hasbro that a toy is canceled is usually sufficient. In older cases, enough time has elapsed that the leaked info is no longer considered damaging -- say, after a franchise completes its run. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:40, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Of course, in this particular case the news was premature.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:42, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

== Thumb Issue ==
I've heard reports that the thumbs on the Arcee toy break pretty easily. I haven't seen any wear on mine, but I been treating it very delicately. I guess it should be held from the page until more solid verifcation is seen, but I do think people should be warned to be careful with the toy anyway. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 22:08, 20 March 2010 (EDT)

I didn't have a chance to pick one up but the reviews I saw of it made a point that the swords seem to have to slide in a certain way... and if you don't then they risk breaking. Were the reviews I saw wrong?
:This was discussed earlier- check the comments in the "Knee/Calf Problems" below. - [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 10:36, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Knee/Calf Problems ==
Just opened and transformed mine for the first time, and I notice that the peg on the back of her right knee joint- where it's supposed to slot to the larger portion of the lower leg -doesn't seem to fit into its intended hole. The tightness of the remaining joints means that this isn't much of an issue for display/play, so I'm cool with it, but I'm wondering: is this is a common enough problem to mention in the article? -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 15:23, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
:It's there because the tabs on her knees are offset from each other so they interlock in vehicle mode. The resulting slight tilt to the back of her right leg is annoying, and might have been fixed by elongating the corresponding slot on that half of the car hood a bit, but it's a minor design flaw at best, not a quality control issue.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 10:57, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::I kind of get the feeling that this figure would have benefited from a slightly longer development. Aside from this problem with the knee, her swords don't fit in their storage slots very tightly and her spoiler fins don't stay on very well. None of which are major problems, but all of which should have been better thought out. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:13, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I'd say 24 years was long enough, thank you, lol. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:46, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, that's the reason I'm not more upset with the figure. Now I just need some sort of mass release Kup homage figure. I've got the Classics Rodimus and Magnus, Cybertron and Animated Blurrs to chose from, and the Universe Springer. Come on Hasbro.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:13, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::The swords store quite firmly on the one I have, though it takes a bit of effort to work them into the slots. The fins do pop off easily, true. Big problem I've heard of (and which mine shares) is rapidly developing stress marks inside the fists.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:56, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Mine just rattle around loosely. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:03, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::You really have to push them in there hard to get them to click, at least the first few times. They actually fit TOO tightly, in my opinion. The amount of force I needed to use to get them to fit made me worry that they'd break. As to stress marks, there's a lot of forum postings out there of people tossing back and forth solutions like filing the handles to be thinner, and using blow dryers or other heat sources to undo the stress marks on the hands. Nothing I've experimented with myself, mind. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 02:02, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::Wow! FINALLY got the swords to click into place. That is just TOO tight. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:51, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Scalping ==

Okay, before a revert war gets on in earnest, are we sure the scarcity is due to scalping and not just legitimate demand outstripping supply? I mean, people have basically been waiting for this for 24 years, lots of people who wouldn't ordinarily buy an Animated figure will be looking for this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 03:27, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:I've not heard anything that would relate Arcee's scarcity directly to scalping. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:12, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:I don't want to pull that "I know a guy who knows a guy" crap, but the friend who got me an employee's discount on the Arcee I'm holding right now says that the store is just reluctant to put out new figures like the TRU exclusives when there's still so much other stuff sitting unsold on the pegs.
:Can someone pull up a link that can be put in for a footnote on this? Maybe the wording should be changed to emphasize that people ''believe'' it's due to scalping. Scarcity of a store exclusive from a canceled line doesn't seem all that odd to me, but if people are widely asserting this, then I suppose we should at least recognize the ''belief''. -- [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 11:42, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
::Has anyone seen a factory-new case of these? Are Arcee and Ratchet evenly packed, or is she shorted?--[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 01:22, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
:::They are evenly packed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:37, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
::::So then it really is a faster sell-through that's creating this notion of rampant scalperism. Good to know. But still, just saying that people point to scalpers as a reason for her scarcity seems a bit too anecdotal for the article - after all, don't we say that about EVERY new toy? "Oh, I can't find Bludgeon because of scalpers." "I can't find Mindwipe because of scalpers." "I can't find (whatever) because of scalpers." It's never attributed to "wow, there are so many real fans around me!" Would every similar article deserve the same note until the subject reaches saturation? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 04:04, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yeah. This is just a popular toy, her scarcity is hardly related to scalping only. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:13, 12 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::I rephrased the note on the page. I thought of removing it entirely, but the fact that it has been hard to find should probably be mentioned. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:41, 12 April 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese Arcee ==

So...does she has the same issues with her thumbs?[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 18:34, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:Anyone?[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:10, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Knee tab ==

Okay, MCRG reverted my earlier edit about the tab on the matte-finish Arcee. Looking at the two figures side by side, there does appear to be a change in the shape of the tab. The original is fully rectangular while the newer version has a corner cut off. It doesn't appear to be due to the flexibility of the plastic at all. Before I re-add the note I wanted to see if anyone else had examined the figures. Was there perhaps a multi-step change, plastic first and tab shape later? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:38, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
[[Image: Arceeknee.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
:Okay, here's a good shot of the two tabs. Does anyone else's show this remolding? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:34, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

== Scarcity ==
Arcee (as well as Ratchet) are not only no longer a rare sight at TRU in my area, but they're actually [[Shelfwarmer|shelfwarming]]. Even with regular sales, they're sticking on the pegs in relatively large numbers. Is this widespread enough to make it worth revising the article? - [[User:Ayellowbirds|Ayellowbirds]] 10:36, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:Ratchet's been shelfwarming (well, pegwarming) at my TRU (in Hickory, NC) since the beginning, Arcee's are still disappearing immediately. Multiple sales have not helped thin out the herd of Ratchets. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:45, 19 July 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese version different? ==
Can anyone amend the article to comment on whether the Japanese release of the figure has any differences in colour, leg-tabs, etc? Is it the same as the darker earlier or pinker later U.S. version, or is it a third colour entirely? An update would be much appreciated.