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Talk:Scorponok (BW)

2011-04-04T03:23:42Z

12.53.10.226: /* Variant? */ new section

Okay, I know I'm hardly an expert, but come on... is it so hard to believe that BW Scorponok can be named Scorponok and have a scorpion alt-mode before the Beast Wars? Maybe he named himself after the ol' Headmaster, or based his alt-mode on that ferocious form. I mean, Megatron called himself Megatron, didn't he? Same idea.
: I'm not sure there's anything in the article that suggests his name being Scorponok pre-BW IS so hard to believe. So colored me confused. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's the picture caption of his exclusive comic iteration. It says 'Look at him... he was probably called Scorponok before the Beast Wars' or something, which to the casual reader (and I know there are only a few of those) would appear to be serious criticism. Plus I know you yourself had a separate figure painted up to look more like a pre-BW Scorpy (awesome, by the by), and I just figured there was some kind of perceived problem with it. Um, by the way, Walkyguy, since I'm new and useless... how do I identify myself on talk pages?
:type four ~s. It'll put in the proper signature for you [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 07:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::I think it's a reference to the fact that in that particular comic, most of the BW cast seems to take their BW names only after getting their beastly alt modes. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:50, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== Transformation ==
I think it's unfair to say this Scorponok has the same transformation as all the others. There's a significant difference here.. the legs fold out from the body, and are nice and long and slender and jointed.. the scorpion body then folds in half, with the legs being attached as 'ribs' instead of on the legs boringly. The only similar part is how the tail and claws don't go anywhere...

Scorponok wasn't all that dumb. And he certainly was never outwitted by Waspinator.

Scorponok wasn't so much dumb as absent minded and incompetant, he always neglected something in his plans which would come back to haunt him. Basically, everyone assumes he's dumb because he is loyal, but isn't this more to do with his utmost belief in Megatron's cause and that Megatron is the best to restore glory to the Predacon race, like Soundwave and Lugnut, or that he desperately needs his 2nd in command role due to his low self-esteem and would rather not be leader and face attempted destruction from Tarantulas and Terrorsaur (and how the hell would he get Megs out of the way 1st?- playing loyal and accepting the "safe" 2nd in command role seems smarter than constantly trying to take on Megatron even though you'll never be good enough as Terrorsaur did.

== Main Pic SUCKS ==

Isn't there some sort of rule about bad images. As in the're NOT ALLOWED? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:The hell? There's nothing wrong with the main pic. --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 20:57, 17 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])
:Exactly, it shows scorponok in frontal view with almost his entire body. so it's all we need for him. Unless you find a better one.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Sure, WHAT IT SHOWS is fine. But it looks like someone just took a picture of the back of his box or something! (I think a [[Inferno (BW)|couple]] [[Dinobot II|other]] [[Rattrap|guys]] have that, too.) [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 16:11, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::It is a well-hidden secret that if you click a picture, it tells you where it's from. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:16, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I know that, Mr. Sarcasm. (That wasn't meant as an insult) So it's a picture of a postcard. It's still '''A PICTURE OF A PICTURE''' and that's not a good idea. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 16:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::If scans are a bad idea, then we should probably just stop doing this wiki right now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Whadaya mean by "scans?" It looks to me like [[User:ItsWalky|you]] just held your camera up to your postcard and took a picture of it. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 16:36, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::I mean "that is a scan." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::'''What is a scan?''' [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 18:03, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Please stop putting your name on a different line. That only makes you more obnoxious. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: A scan is a picture scanned from a scanner.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 18:57, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for the info. I think I got it figured out. I don't have a scanner nor have I ever heard of one. And sorry about the name, I thought it looked wierd when it carried on to the next line. I'll go shorten it in a sec.

::::Also, I think Walky's scanner is broken. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|MISTER Q (Mr. means I'm a GUY)]] 19:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think you're full of it. Nothing wrong with the image. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::::No it's not broken, that's how a scanned picture looks like at its best. it looks a bit faded because a scan can never look as good as an image made from a computer. now, will you please stop complaining about it?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 20:04, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
See, now '''THAT'S''' the explanation I've been looking for. Okay, this conversation/arguement is now over.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|MR. Q (I'm a GUY)]] 20:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

== Faction Factual ==

I've noticed while rewatching the shows, that occasionally his faction symbol changes from being the yellow Predacon one to the red Maximal one. This worth noting somewhere? --[[Special:Contributions/71.121.142.173|71.121.142.173]] 01:29, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

:I am actually doing the same thing and i keep seeing maximal insignias on his missiles!--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 14:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

::The missiles are '''meant''' to have Maxie symbols on them - it's a "Bullet with your name on it" gag that a lot of people seemingly didn't get. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

:::Well I ment on his chest/stomach dot. Didn't notice the missile one though. --[[Special:Contributions/71.121.142.173|71.121.142.173]] 10:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== Variant? ==

A couple of ebay auctions list a "two-beed variant" (see [http://cgi.ebay.com/TRANSFORMERS-Beast-Wars-1996-SCORPONOK-complete-VARIANT-/320427006579?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4a9af01a73 here] and [http://cgi.ebay.com/4-76-5-BEAST-WARS-SCORPONOK-TWO-BEE-MISSILE-VARIANT-/390176048384?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ad84e0500 here]), but I have never heard of this variant before. Is this rule, and should it be mentioned here? Or is this just a kitbash?[[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 23:23, 3 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Oracle (BM)

2011-03-28T19:01:50Z

12.53.10.226: New page: =="I am also know as the oracle".== Should this be "I am also know'''n''' as the oracle'''.'''", or are these intentional spelling and grammar mistakes?~~~~

=="I am also know as the oracle".==
Should this be "I am also know'''n''' as the oracle'''.'''", or are these intentional spelling and grammar mistakes?[[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 15:01, 28 March 2011 (EDT)

Motormaster (G1)

2011-02-24T23:02:09Z

12.53.10.226: /* Fiction */ I don't think this was intentional, so spelling correction. My apologies if it was there on purpose.

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{{disambig3|Motormaster}}
:''Motormaster is a [[Decepticon]] [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MTMTEMotormaster.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A man of means by no means.]]
When '''Motormaster''' booms out orders in his hollow, bottomless-deep voice of doom, his [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]] soldiers listen in very real fear. A cold and brutal tyrant, without an ounce of mercy or care for any lesser being, he considers himself the true "King of the Road." He longs to one day prove his claim by destroying [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], though he knows that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] might kill Prime first. His fellow Stunticons are too terrified of him to dare disobey his orders.

He can combine with his fellow Stunticons to form [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], and the other Stunticons' resentment of Motormaster is part of the reason that Menasor suffers from psychological instabilities.

{{quote|Well, look who's here! The old King of the Road! When I'm finished with ya, you'll be King of the Junkyard!|Motormaster right before Optimus Prime flattens him|"[[Masquerade]]"}}

:''French name:'' '''Pilot-As''' (Canada)
:''Italian name:'' '''Barracuda'''
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Gépmester''' ("Machine-master")
:''Chinese name (Taiwan):'' '''Mǎ-dá Dá-shr''' (馬達大師, "Motor Master")
:''Chinese name (China):'' '''Qiche Dashi''' (汽车大师, "Auto Master")

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Roger C. Carmel]] (English), [[Kōji Totani]] (Japanese), [[Edgar Wald]] (Latin American)

[[Image:Stunticons.jpg|left|thumb|300px|]]

After a failed attempt to steal experimental rocket fuel from the [[United States military]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] realized that while the Decepticons controlled the skies, the Autobots had supremacy on the ground, and so they needed new ground-based warriors who could out-drive and out-fight the Autobots on their terms. [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] stole a truck that would become Motormaster from a [[hard hat]]-wearing trucker named [[Possum Brown]]. The Decepticons journeyed to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], beat the [[Key to Vector Sigma]] out of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]'s possession and ordered the [[Vector Sigma|ancient supercomputer]] to give life to the Stunticons. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}} Motormaster immediately pledged his loyalty to Megatron, though his burning desire was to defeat Optimus Prime. Whilst the Autobots were trapped on Cybertron, the Decepticons returned to [[Earth]] with the newly awakened Stunticons who began wreaking havoc and damaging the Autobots' good name by attacking the US military base containing the experimental rocket fuel. Eventually, the Autobots returned with the newly built [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] whose combined form [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] defeated the Stunticon combiner Menasor... with a little help from [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

[[Image:Teurox_wheeljack_vs_motormaster.jpg|right|200px|thumb|]]
Despite this defeat, the Stunticons were the key component in Megatron's elaborate scheme to hold a [[Europa 2000|fake charity race]] from Paris to Istanbul so he could steal US driver [[Auggie Cahnay (G1)|Auggie Cahnay]]'s car which would be melted down to house the powerful [[Pearl of Bahoudin]]. Motormaster personally saw to the disposal of the Autobots' stunt driver, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]. It was an extended battle between skill and power, but the Stunticon leader eventually caught his prey by crushing him underneath his massive frame. One by one, the Stunticons disabled the Autobot participants assigned to protect Cahnay, but the downfall of Megatron's plan came when he ordered the Stunticons to stop going after the remaining Autobots. Eventually, the Stunticons were defeated when Cahnay rammed his car into Menasor’s face. {{storylink|Trans-Europe Express}}

When Megatron was infected with [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] after a trip to the lost Autobot colony of [[Antilla]], the Stunticons were assigned to capture the Autobot scientist [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], who had developed the powerful anti-corrosion [[Corrostop]]. Motormaster ensnared Perceptor with a commandeered ferry’s anchor. After Megatron cured himself and infected the Autobots with the Cosmic Rust, Menasor attacked the Statue of Liberty in [[New York City]] with the ancient [[Lightning Bug]] heat ray, intent on stopping the Autobots from matter-duplicating more Corrostop from the layer they sprayed on the statue. Superion defeated Menasor and destroyed the Lightning Bug. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

After Starscream was banished for yet another failed coup, he returned with a powerful new Decepticon team called the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], who were able to outfight Autobot and Decepticon alike. With Megatron needing a trump card, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] attempted to call on the Stunticons to help, but they refused as they were having a demolition derby with various human-owned cars. However, the Stunticons belatedly arrived after the Combaticons' combined form of [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] defeated [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and forced Megatron to acknowledge Starscream as the new Decepticon leader. Realizing that Starscream would not stop at Megatron, the Stunticons merged into Menasor and disabled Bruticus in one mighty punch. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

[[Image:G1 cartoon Motormaster slagged.JPG|left|200px|thumb|If that isn't just desserts, I don't know what is.]]
On another mission from Megatron, Motormaster dispatched his fellow Stunticons to collect several scientific components which the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] needed to finish a new Super Weapon. Motormaster himself stole the world's largest and most perfect ruby from its place in a museum. His path back to base was blocked by Optimus Prime himself, giving Motormaster his long-awaited chance to prove he was the true "King of the Road". After he and Optimus rammed into each head-on at full speed, though, Prime only had a slight headache while Motormaster blew out his tires, crumpled his trailer, broke his windows and shattered his ego. Beaten and bruised, Motormaster and his fellow Stunticons were all towed back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and held prisoner. Unaware of Megatron's full plans for the components, the Autobots conceived of a scheme to infiltrate the Decepticon camp disguised as the Stunticons, using camouflage paint to alter their appearances. To add insult to injury (well, injuries), Optimus Prime took Motormaster's place among the faux Stunticons. After the Autobots left, though, Breakdown managed to vibrate himself loose from his cage and let Motormaster and the others free as well. They merged to become Menasor and swept aside the meager resistance the Autobots put up at the Ark. Flying to Megatron's hidden construction site as Menasor, the Stunticons confronted their impostors and exposed the Autobots' Trojan Horse play. Still, Prime had arranged a double-cross and had tampered with the ruby's properties, causing Megatron's Super Weapon to explode after only a short use. Menasor fled, and the other Decepticons quickly followed suit. {{storylink|Masquerade}}

[[Image:Decepticons w galvatron.jpg|right|thumb|200px|*cue ''Harvey Birdman'' theme*]]

Like most Decepticons, Motormaster was left leaderless and near-powerless after the destruction of [[Unicron]] and the disappearance of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. By 2006, he and the other Decepticons had retreated to a burnt-out hunk of a planet called [[Chaar]], a world of ash in ruin. Certain that the Decepticons could be reborn as a fighting force if only they had a leader, Motormaster contributed nearly the last of his energon for [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]'s hunt for Galvatron and collapsed on the spot as a result. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} However, while Cyclonus and the [[Sweep|Sweeps]] were resurrecting Galvatron, the [[Quintesson]]s arrived on Chaar with an offer of energon in exchange for attacking the Autobots. Motormaster called on a vote to decide if they would follow the aliens, and with [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] being the only negative, the desperate Decepticons put themselves under the command of the Quintessons. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} When Galvatron returned, though, he first shot Motormaster before ultimately agreeing to go along with the Quintessons anyway. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:MotormasterAnimated.jpg|left|200px|thumb|I'm Jerkwad-bot, and I drank all the beer.]]

This might be why Motormaster felt so strongly about Galvatron's inadequacy as Decepticon leader in later months. Along with [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], he eventually confronted second-in-command Cyclonus and demanded that something be done about Galvatron or else there would be mutiny. It seemed to be an empty boast, however, as Galvatron just kept on being crazy. {{storylink|Webworld}}

===Japanese cartoon continuity===
{{note|The events of the Generation 1 cartoon occur in this continuity as detailed above, except the events of 2006 are pushed back to 2010. Japanese continuity inserts several new stories into the resultant gaps in the timeline.}}
====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic====
[[Image:DecepticonTrailerBrigade1.jpg|left|140px|thumb|]]

Motormaster and the Stunticons decided to have a little fun and tear up a baseball stadium in Japan. Luckily, the Autobots' plucky young ally [[Kenji]] was present to radio for assistance. All the combiner teams assembled, and it was Menasor and Bruticus against Superion and Defensor! Defensor was forced to break apart by the combined Decepticon attack, but Superion and Kenji got the idea to shoot out the Decepticons' legs. [[Groove (G1)|Groove]] and [[Blades (G1)|Blades]] took advantage of the empty combiner ports and took over as Menasor's legs, launching him into the ocean. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5}}

While posing as Autobots, Motormaster, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and the Stunticons rampaged through the city streets, smearing the good name of their adversaries. Later, [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] posed as humans to rally people against the Autobots, and Motormaster's brigade staged an attack on the rally to drive the point home. The Autobot fire engines [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] arrived, however, and used their water hoses to wash off the Decepticons' fake insignia. Enraged, Motormaster planned to combine into Menasor...only to see his men were already retreating into the distance. As members of the [[Decepticon Trailer Brigade]], Motormaster and Onslaught attempted to invent powerlinx modes a few decades early, summoning their "great wheel attack". Hot Spot and Inferno managed to loop the Decepticons around their ladders, hurling the 'Cons right into a finishing blow by Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7}}

====''Scramble City'' cartoon====
Motormaster and the Stunticons were summoned by Megatron to put an end to the [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]] project, and succeed where [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] had failed. Their first strike was impressive, holding back Optimus Prime and a cadre of Autobots and shooting the Aerialbots out of the skies. When the Aerialbots formed Superion, Motormaster and his teammates followed suit and merged into Menasor. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

====''The Great Transformer War'' comic====
When the Decepticons kidnapped [[Dalton|Doctor Dalton]], the famous scientist, the Autobots tried to raid Trypticon and save him. Motormaster and Onslaught linked up to the Dino-base in their launcher modes, sending their teammates flying at the Autobots at high speeds. Superion was torn limb from limb, and Motormaster then ordered the Stunticons to combine into Menasor to finish them off. The Protectobots managed to hold off the Decepticons long enough for Hot Spot to repair the Aerialbots and Blades to rescue Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
Motormaster and the Stunticons participated in Galvatron's siege on Cybertron. They managed to gain the high ground against the Dinobots and Throttlebots, and rained laser fire down on their opponents. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Motormaster and his team formed Menasor to fight their Autobot counterparts, but were steamrolled by the might and firepower of the Battleship Maximus. Transporting back to Earth, they attempted to interfere with Hot Rod's quest for the Matrix. Motormaster's team were confronted by the Aerialbots in the desert, but the battle of their combiner forms eventually led them to the Arctic. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

When [[Vector Sigma]] began perfecting the new super-metal [[Cybertonuron]] on Cybertron, Galvatron ordered another all-out attack on the planet to seize the metal for the Decepticons before the Autobots could make use of it. Motormaster and the Stunticons journeyed to Cybertron with the strike force, and confronted their old enemies, the Aerialbots. The Aerialbots got the drop on Motormaster's group by forming Superion and lashing out before the Stunticons could form Menasor as well. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} In [[San Francisco]], Motormaster and the Stunticons assisted Bruticus in using a carnivorous plant to distract the Autobots from [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s plans on [[Zarak (planet)|Zarak]]. They fought against the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s and [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}}

Sometime later, Motormaster and the Stunticons gathered in the desert as their Ninja Commander [[Sixshot]] began issuing orders. They assembled as Menasor, and took part in the escalating Decepticon war effort as five separate Autobot outposts were attacked simultaneously at Sixshot's command. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} Motormaster was also among the Decepticons who assembled to welcome Scorponok as their new Emperor of Terror following Galvatron's fall. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

====''Zone'' OVA, manga and story pages====

Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. Motormaster was among those summoned, but only as a part of Menasor. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Transformers: Zone}} {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Stunticonsmarvelg1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Feeling a bit marginalized...]]
Motormaster and the Stunticons were given life by the [[Creation Matrix]], at least inadvertently. [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] had "bugged" [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] with a [[cerebro-shell]] and, when the Autobot leader unleashed the power of the Matrix to bring the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] to life, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was able to tap into and divert some of the energy to bring an equal number of his own troops to life. The Stunticons' first mission was to further the Decepticon plans for anti-Autobot propaganda. Recognizing that the Autobot efforts on Earth were stymied as long as the humans could not tell the difference between the two factions, Megatron had taken great efforts to ensure ALL the "giant robots" were hated by the public. When the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] selflessly saved a woman trapped by power lines, however, that good publicity threatened his plans. Therefore, Megatron sent Motormaster and the Stunticons out to find Skids. Once they did, the Stunticons drew attention to themselves by demolishing a highway, and then pretended to be "defending" Skids once [[Rapid Anti-robot Assault Team|RAAT]] forces arrived. Their efforts not only successfully tarnished the Autobot image in the eyes of the humans, but even led to the deactivation and capture of the Aerialbots by RAAT. {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}}

Motormaster and his team saw little action after that. Decepticon internal politics caused leadership to change hands several times over the following months, and the Stunticons were ultimately lost in the shuffle.
{{-}}
====Earthforce====
{{earthforcefiction}}
''Motormaster appeared to have...conflicting loyalties during the Decepticon faction split on Earth. He was first seen fighting alongside [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] against the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. {{storylink|Two Steps Back!}} However, by the time of the [[Enclave]], he was seen working alongside Megatron, {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}} and was later present with Megatron's troops when Soundwave and Starscream announced they were taking over. {{storylink|Internal Affairs!}} Later, the Decepticons learned a human reporter named [[Irwin Spoon (G1)|Irwin Spoon]] would be writing an exclusive about the Autobots to upgrade their public image. In order to stop this, they sent Motormaster and the Stunticons out to snatch the human. Using his henchmen as a distraction, Motormaster rammed [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] from behind and pulled the reporter into his cab to make a getaway. {{storylink|Front Line!}} It wasn't that easy, however, as the Autobots gave chase. Motormaster ran Prowl off the road again, and surprised [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] into running into his trailer by disconnecting from it (a surprise to everyone, no doubt). In the end it was his own Stunticons who did Motormaster in, though—[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] and [[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] tried to ram [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] as they were following Motormaster's cab, but the Autobots dodged at the last second and the 'Con cars barreled into their own leader, sending him into a ditch. Bumblebee then ripped off Motormaster's door and rescued the human.''

''"King of the Road", my central processor. {{storylink|End of the Road! (UK)|End of the Road!}}''

====Marvel UK future timelines====
''In 2003, Motormaster and the Stunticons took on a mission to steal the plans for [[Autobot City]] from their courier, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. They surrounded the Autobot, and Motormaster had his goons tag-team the old wreck until they got their hands on the data tape. Thinking they were done for the day, the Stunticons got lucky and had a second beatdown when the hotheaded Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] chased after them alone to retrieve the tape. Needless to say, they beat the ball bearings out of him. {{storylink|Ark Duty}}''

''Five years later, after the defeat of [[Unicron]], the Decepticons were engaged in an extended guerrilla war with the Autobots for control of Cybertron. After getting a tip from the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]], Commander [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] had Motormaster and his other lieutenants gather the troops for a full-scale attack on the Autobots. The tip turned out to be a trap, however, and Motormaster and the others had to bail out of [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] in mid-flight to protect themselves from a mass of invaders. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
During the start of the war, Motormaster served as Starscream's enforcer. When Starscream took control of the Decepticons after he (supposedly) killed Megatron and Optimus Prime, Motormaster assisted Starscream's attempts to have [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] mechaform [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]... by letting Starscream threaten Scrapper with being mechaformed by Motormaster himself. During the subsequent Autobot assault on the base, Motormaster was on the verge of killing [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], when [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] rammed into him at full speed, sending Motormaster flying into a far-off wall. Grimlock one, Motormaster zero. {{storylink|The War Within}} During the [[Dark Ages]], he joined up with Starscream's [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]], helping him steal raw energon, only to have Grimlock and the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]] steal the energon. Grimlock: two, Motormaster: zero. {{storylink|War Within: The Dark Ages}} On the eve of the [[Age of Internment]], Motormaster was tasked with sniping [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. He failed, hitting Grimlock instead, though he ended up surviving. Grimlock: three, Motormaster: zero. {{storylink|War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

At some point in Cybertron's recent history, the Stunticons were deemed psychotic and too dangerous to function in society, and as a result were placed into perpetual stasis lock inside of a prison facility. Later, in an attempt to create a diversion while he set his final plans in motion, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] arranged for the release of the Stunticons. They formed into Menasor and ran amok in Iacon for a while, until Ultra Magnus arrived and began to attack Menasor by insulting the Stunticons individually. Unable to reconcile with this, the five Stunticons began to bicker with each other over whose fault it was that they were failing, temporarily halting Menasor's destruction. At that point, Ultra Magnus is quoted to have said: "'King of the Road' eh? We'll see about that," just before ramming the combiner in the chest while in vehicle mode, forcing Menasor to separate into his component parts and disabling the Stunticons.

Ultra Magnus's attack was significant in that he essentially made a fearless suicide run straight into Menasor, echoing Optimus Prime's head-on collision with Motormaster in the animated continuity. Not only did Magnus succeed in disabling Menasor, but in particular, he damaged Motormaster severely. Magnus's attack showed that Motormaster was bested by an Autobot who considered himself—and was considered by others—to be a lesser version of Optimus Prime. It's likely that the Decepticon's ego will never recover. {{storylink|War and Peace}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comics===
[[Image:GIJvsTFv2Issue2Motormaster.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[E. J. Su]] gives us a brief glimpse of [[Infiltration|things to come]] from him.]]
When the Stunticons were transported into 1930s [[Chicago]] by a malfunctioning [[Teletran 3]], a group of human criminals found them dormant in their car modes and started using them. Planning to rob a bank, they filled Motormaster with dynamite, only to find themselves in a firefight between the other Stunticons and the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] sent from the future to retrieve the Transformers. The [[Baroness]] detonated the dynamite inside Motormaster and stuck a [[disruption unit]] on him, reactivating him (albeit with a headache) and sending the whole group back to present-day Cybertron. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2}}

Some time later, Motormaster attended a meeting arranged by [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]], who was gathering Decepticons for his army. As Menasor, he and the other Stunticons then attacked an Autobot peace ceremony. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3}} Following the battle, Motormaster and [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Grrr]] delivered the captive Optimus Prime to Serpent O.R. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4}}, but Prime soon got loose from his chains and attacked the Decepticon leader, so Motormaster and several other subgroup leaders came to his aid. While Prime fought back bravely, taking out several Decepticons, Motormaster and [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] eventually beat him to a pulp and allowed Serpent O.R. to steal the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. Unfortunately, [[Cobra Commander]] chose that moment to take control of Serpent O.R.'s body and use it to attack the two Decepticons, apparently killing them. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
{{ongoing}}
[[Image:MegatronOrigin4 Motormaster.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Sentinel Prime goes Indiana Jones on Motormaster.]]
Apparently hailing from the city-state of [[Altihex]], Motormaster took up the open invitation to [[Kaon]]'s discontented populace and journeyed to the secret bloodsport arena to join Megatron in his insurrection against the Senate's control. He was seen in the presence of the Stunticons, suggesting they had already formed a team bond prior to the first major uprising. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}} During the opening battle of the war with Security Services in Kaon, Motormaster continued with his (apparent) goal of being run down by every [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] who turns into a truck when he leapt in the way of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] and was flattened by the no-nonsense commander. That 'Con just doesn't know when to quit, does he? {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}

In the modern era, Motormaster ended up on [[Earth]], only to be captured by the human organization [[Skywatch]] along with two of his subordinates, [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] and [[Wildrider]]. The Stunticons' deactivated bodies were later retrieved by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who was leading a group of Autobots and Decepticons brought together by the same goal: getting off Earth. {{storylink|A Rude Awakening}} Motormaster was brought back online, and joined the other Stunticons in the construction of a starship. However, their ranks were still missing [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]], and Motormaster and Dead End had an inkling as to where he was. Via [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], they convinced Hot Rod (now "Rodimus Prime") to let them retrieve their final comrade, but before they could start searching, Motormaster noticed an intruder approaching. He suspected it could be humans, but Swindle confirmed that it was actually [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

The Stunticons eventually found Breakdown, and got rid of his [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|driver]] when Motormaster threatened to ram him head-on. The missing Stunticon was loaded into Motormaster's trailer and brought back to the building site of the starship, where the Stunticons revealed that Swindle had modified them into combiners! Motormaster combined with his subordinates into [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], whom Swindle ordered to kill Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Enemies of the System}}

During the subsequent battle, Swindle's lack of experience in adapting the combiner technology proved to be Menasor's downfall. The other Stunticons began arguing with each other, pulling on Motormaster as Menasor was damaged, and refused to protect him when Optimus Prime ordered an atteck on the combiner's torso. After Menasor fell to pieces, the component Stunticons were arrested by Skywatch. {{storylink|Earthworks}}

Months later, the Skywatch facility where the Stunticons were held came under attack from [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and other Decepticons who had returned from space. Motormaster and his men were freed, and quickly joined in the destruction of the base. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 1: The Demolished Man}}

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==Games==
===The Transformers (PS2)===

{{Note|Motormaster is a non-playable character. He appears among the legion of Decepticon duplicates in the Autobot campaign.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Motormaster toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Nemesis Prime? Nemesis Prime? Frag Nemesis Prime!"]]
* '''Motormaster''' (Stunticon, 1986)
**''Team ID number:'' '''S5'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-50'''
**''Accessories:'' [[ionizer sword]], [[cyclone rifle]], [[roller car]]/Menasor's chestpiece, Menasor's head, Menasor's hands, Menasor's feet, blast deflector

: Motormaster transforms into a black Kenworth K100 Aerodyne sleeper truck pulling a long, dark-silver trailer. Unlike many Transformers truck toys, his trailer is permanently attached to the cab. Motormaster can assume a base/repair bay mode which can connect to the Decepticon city [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], a feature only documented in Trypticon's instructions. (He can also connect to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], but this is undocumented for obvious reasons.) His small "[[roller car]]" gains relevance in this mode, as it is scaled for the base-mode's ramp. The Japanese release includes a launcher mechanism to propel the car, much like Optimus Prime's Combat Deck propels Roller. (As with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], Motormaster's various knock-offs include the launcher.)

: In robot mode, he is armed with a long, purple "cyclone" rifle and a large, silver, vacuum-metalized ionizer sword. He also forms the central body of Menasor, with the roller car becoming his chest piece and Menasor's mask covering his face. Menasor's hands and feet were included in Motormaster's box.

: Motormaster and the other Stunticons were later released in the European/Australian-exclusive "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" series.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Motormaster/motormaster.htm More information on Motormaster at TFU.info]''
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*'''Menasor''' (Giftset, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-55'''

:Motormaster was also available as part of the Menasor giftset.

===Generation 2===
* '''Motormaster''' (Stunticon)
**''Team ID number:'' '''S1'''

[[Image:MotormasterG2.JPG|right|250px|thumb|I'm still all man.]]
: The Stunticons and Protectobots were planned to be released as part of the [[Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]], but were ultimately canceled (though Breakdown saw "release" as the [[BotCon 1994]] [[exclusive]]). The smaller limb-robots all have had packaged samples appear, but no packaged samples of Motormaster or Hot Spot are known to exist, and the two leaders are the hardest of their sets to come across nowadays. Recent pics have appeared on [[eBay]], however.

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{{canceledtoy}}
===Universe (2003)===
* '''Menasor''' (Ultra, unreleased)

: A redeco of [[Thunder Clash]] as Motormaster (called "Menasor" because of [[trademark]] issues) was planned as a store exclusive for ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'', but was ultimately canceled. No physical samples of this toy have been found so far, just package art.

{{canceledtoy}}

==Notes==
* Though the Generation 1 toy clearly is a single-trailer rig, the panel seams were often misinterpreted by artists as being a division between two trailers. Thus Motormaster is sometimes portrayed as a double-trailer rig, even though the "front trailer" doesn't have any rear wheels.
* In the 2006/2007 ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' line, a [[redeco]] of ''[[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] was intended to be Motormaster, but again, the name could not be obtained. The toy was given the name "Menasor" and the super robot's function of "Super Warrior", effectively making him Menasor, not Motormaster.
* Motormaster has three different pieces of box art. The art on his Japanese packaging has him transformed correctly, while the art on his individual Hasbro release shows him mistransformed, with his upper legs out to the side instead of down. In what is presumably an attempt to fix this, the art on the Hasbro gift set uses the lower legs from the Takara art, but this leaves Motormaster's upper legs mistransformed.
* Motormaster's transformation makes Optimus Prime's disappearing trailer that much more mysterious...

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Motormaster Motormaster's ''Universe'' profile at NFTA.net]
*[http://www.iaconone.com/datatrax/ Universe Motormaster/Menasor's art (and other tidbits) at Iacon One]

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[[Category:Generation 1 Predacons]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Decepticons]]
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User talk:Derik

2011-02-17T23:49:44Z

12.53.10.226: /* Monaco-book skin */

=Archive=
My complete user talk history (including archived years) is viewable at: [[User talk:Derik/Archive]].
=[[User_Talk:Derik/2006|2006]] (Archived)=
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* Walky: "Storylinks shouldn't float!"
* Continuity range box (proposal)
* Explicit continuity drilldown (proposal)
* Passive-aggressive edit memos are not good communication
* [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] own the the G2 annual, but hasn't scanned it.
* Derik confirms he's [http://www.grnrngr.com/essay1.html this guy].
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=[[User_Talk:Derik/2007|2007]] (Archived)=
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* [[User:Rotty]] demands I be banned because i voted for a different wikia in a poll for a weekly feature.
* Don't post spoielrs from novels
*[[User:Crockalley]] calls my userpic 'the cutest catboy he's ever seen.'
* Screed at people in a series of edit memos is impolite.
*[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:EDC_Zodiac.jpg Autotrooper divisions]
* Derik should remember that is it not other users jobs to fix his opinionated edits.
* Descriptive filenames are better.
}}
=[[User_Talk:Derik/2008|2008]] (Archived)=
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*Don't put templates in categories
*Mosaics are not canon
*Undermining the Wikia adblock.
*''Archive is incomplete due to the [[Project:Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].''
}}

=2009=

==Post restoration Wikia link clean up==
I recall you telling us last year about something you did that would remove all 250,000-odd links that wikia inserted into every page and every revision of every page. Would you be able to do the same again after we've restored our articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:00, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
:I made alterations to the ''import'' script, so they never even ''got'' to our database. They're ''in'' now, they need to be edited out one by one.
:...I'll look at maybe setting up an edit script. 27,000+ individual edits in history. JOY. :p
::Oh, for God's Sake :( So it needs to be done manually? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:30, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
:::After I saw this (there's really no way to get them out the history?), I looked to see if [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]] could be used to start zapping the Wikia links - no dice, apparently http://tfwiki.net/w2/api.php is out-of-line with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php and [[wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/User_manual|it needs to be the same]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:59, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Uhhh... I don't have a webcomic. And my name's not Tim.

:Don't think too hard about it. I've been calling one of our admins Doug for a year and he never bothered to correct me. (His name is Alan... I think.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:42, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

== The Franchise Navigation Templates ==

I figure that as long as I'm going through everything, I might as well update all the templates to the new look, right?

Question, though: Did I assume right that the plain links above the navigation templates are supposed to be links to the continuity families? (Like, it says "Generation 1" above the Generation 1 template, and "Live action film series" above the 2K7 and ROTF ones.) That stumped me a little when I got to the Headmasters template. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:34, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:They are inconsistent.
:The nav above the 2007 movie (pre-crash) should be "ready," in terms of HTML. IIRC The CSS for the new design was recovered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I already updated the 2K7, ROTF, and G1 navs based on the cache files that used those templates. I just figured that I might as well update the other franchise headers to use the same format while I was at it (I hate pink, what can I say?) but was stumped over how to translate that one bit of the new template. That line in the G1 and movie templates ends up being readable as a continuity family link, so I was wondering if you meant it that way, so I know how to adapt it to other franchises. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:43, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== A FYI ==

http://www.emopanda.com/cleanupbot/ - linked from [[:Category:Cleanup by month]] - needs to be updated to fix ''our'' cleanup count, rather than The Other Place's. [Plus, I suspect it may overwrite the category on the page, so please make sure it leaves it in [[:Category:Wiki cleanup]]. Although I half more than half a mind to just move the subcats from C:CbM to C:WC and save a redundant layer...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think it actually updates their account either, it hadn't worked since the Monaco upgrade.
:Hrm... you did just give me an idea though!

And a question: Is it safe to put <nowiki>{{speedy}}</nowiki> on the twelve month templates at the start of [[:Category:Real-world_events_by_day]]? They don't APPEAR to be used, but I'd like to double-check that [[Template:Cal-date]] doesn't use them in any way first. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:Nope! They're used for navigation! Clicking on a month in the date nav brings you to the 12-month calendar, because [[July]] redirect to [[Calendar]]. But clicking the "NEXT-MONTH" button takes you to [[Template:August]], which is ''just'' the month of August, unlike [[August]], which is the full 366 day calendar.
:The idea being... if you click next-month, you're looking for a near-ish date. And if you click on the month itself, you're looking to navigate within the full year. Separating the two display options out with templates actually does (or at least ''should'') make quickly navigating dates much easier, more "natural" to how people are likely to search dates. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:42, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
::Well, could you do something to stop them appearing on [[Special:Unusedtemplates]], if they're actually necessary, then?
::It seems a hellava bodge to be using a template as, in effect, a page - can't you just change the links from (e.g.) <nowiki>[[July]] to [[Calendar|July]]</nowiki> and put the "Templates" in the namespace where they belong? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:::I'll look into it. Part of the reason it's set up like this is simply-- this is the way ti was set up before the crash. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Admittedly I was thinking before the crash that if the Month links on the day pages are getting redirected to the calendar, they should, well, just actually link directly to the calendar. And the months should be actual pages, yes.
::::In fact, is it possible to have noinclude on a regular page? Because then we could have each of the months be a proper regular page with all of the day pages transcluded into it in noinclude tags, then have that page be transcluded where it needs to be in order to show just the calendar part.
::::(Um. When we have time to actually work on this sort of thing, I mean.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:32, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::This thing you describe is possible... I will think about it, it'd require some re-jiggering, and at least 320 edits. (Every day's page would have to have its code changed.)
:::::Tell you what though-- I ''do'' know a way to get the month templates off the Unused templates page! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Since you worked pretty hard on figuring out [[Staff Sergeant Tracy]]'s name , [[Talk:United States Air Force|help me with this]] :) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:33, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== Bot request ==

I have a Deceptitran request. Could links to "Revelation (comic issue)" please move to "Revelation (War and Peace)" and "Revelation (Dreamwave issue)" to "Revelation (The Dark Ages)"? Thanks! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:23, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

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|comment=I have a Deceptitran request. Could links to "Revelation (comic issue)" please move to "Revelation (War and Peace)" and "Revelation (Dreamwave issue)" to "Revelation (The Dark Ages)"? Thanks! - Starfield 21:23, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
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|to=Revelation (The Dark Ages)
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|comment=I have a Deceptitran request. Could links to "Revelation (comic issue)" please move to "Revelation (War and Peace)" and "Revelation (Dreamwave issue)" to "Revelation (The Dark Ages)"? Thanks! - Starfield 21:23, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
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== The LongArm of the bot... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Cybertron_Elite_Guard&diff=271888&oldid=267284

Huh? Even besides the fact that it [[Talk:Shockwave (Animated)#Capital A|seems to have been decided]] that the TransWarped credit was an aberration and the page has been reverted to small-a mode... wouldn't it have made more sense to change the link to [[Shockwave (Animated)]] in the first place? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:11, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
:The bot is automated to detect moves and change links accordingly. Since somebody moved [[Longarm Prime|Longarm Prime]] to [[Longarm Prime|LongArm Prime]] (despite the fact that it was a redirect), the bot acted accordingly. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:43, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::No, I add them manually. (I have it scrap the move log for recent moves and choose which ones to add to the queue.)
::I just assumed someone knew what they were doign when they moved LongArm. Not correct? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:56, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

== In search of a less stupid cleanup tag. ==

A quandary. I'd ''like'' to make the cleanup tag template automatically datestamp if you neglect to specify one, via currentmonthname and currentyear variables, so it ends up in the proper category. However... if I subst those in the template itself, it will be forever April 2009. If I leave them variables, the date the tag was applied will not be preserved. Thoughts?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:05, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:This thing you say... I do not believe it is possible. The problem is that {{currentday}} will always be updated when the page re-caches. You need the page editor to either enter <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki> or a <nowiki>subst:</nowiki> command for this sort of "expansion" to happen.
:The only solution I've ever thought of would be to have an off-site 'bot monitor pages in a category "Pages with undated..." and make edits to those pages, adding the dates to the templates. The results wouldn't be perfect, but they'd be more-or-less right.
:But that seems like a LOT of work for the result. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think I may have found the trick:
:::''A less versatile method for multilevel substitution is with a pair of includeonly tags: they can be used to prevent substitution on the page itself, while not having any effect when transcluding the page. Substitution is prevented by having the template call inside these tags. Substitution is also prevented by having one or both tags anywhere in the template call except inside a parameter definition. Thus the tag(s) can be before, inside, or after "subst:", or inside or after the template name. The positions of the two tags only influence the rendering of the template page itself. If the closing tag is put immediately after the opening tag the full wikitext is rendered, e.g.
::::<nowiki>{{<includeonly></includeonly>subst:tc}}</nowiki> is shown as {{<includeonly></includeonly>subst:tc}}''
:::[[wikipedia:Help:Substitution#Includeonly]]
::Plausible?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:21, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I've read this documentation before, and it makes my head hurt.
:::How does that help us? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:27, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::::On further examination, it doesn't unless the template containing those includeonly tags is ''also'' substituted. Which leaves us no closer. Drat. I shall delve deeper into the nature of transclusion and substitution and pray I don't inadvertently become a cultist of Azathoth.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::The problem is you want to substitute on the page itself-- you want a 'flattened' date. So that means the editor needs to put in the "subst:." (Or more simply, a <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>,) it can't be optionally assigned by the template if non-present, because that would require the template reaching 'up' into the page it's included on to make changes to the base text. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
We could, I suppose, create something to the effect of <nowiki>{{lazycleanuptag}}</nowiki> which forces substitution and only outputs <nowiki>{{cleanup|{{subst:currentmonthname}} {{subst:currentyear}}|}}</nowiki> ...but that seems like going 'round Robin Hood's barn to get there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:And of course misses the point entirely of plunking a date tag in when people forget to do so, the original point of this exercise. It is for the most part ''admitting defeat''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:36, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::See, I didn't think that was how that worked. See if you can make that work, with exactly that substitution. If it does we at least have a starting point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It does work. In that if I use the includeonly trick on the subst bits in that, and ''also'' subst the shell template itself, said template would then leave in the article text <nowiki>{{cleanup|April 2009}}</nowiki>, being a multi-level substitution as described in the mediawiki help. But, as I said above, it ''only'' works if the template using the includeonly trick is also substituted. The date variables get rendered flat, and the lazy cleanup template also gets reduced to standard wiki text, but any templates it calls aren't substituted, and thus still render as genuine transclusions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:50, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::::The problem with that approach being that [[wikipedia:Help:Substitution#Forced_substitution|forced substitution]] is pretty much nonexistent, beyond a simple nag message.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:56, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

==Bot request for image tagging==
I've noticed that all of the images that haven't had their descriptions restored have the text "Importing image file" instead. Can we have Deceptitran replace all instances of that phrase in the image namespace with <nowiki>"{{bookworm|5}}"</nowiki>? I think that'll make that part of the recovery process go much quicker. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:09, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
:Link me an example file! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:00, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
::[[:Image:Stargatebattles_starscream_and_his_ghost.jpg|Perfect example]]. Oh, and I was thinking about it, and it's probably best to replace the phrase with <nowiki>"{{bookworm|5|Description and copyright info}}"</nowiki> just to make sure it's clear. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

==BW Neo Models ==
So, I'm looking for future projects, and BW II / BW Neo seem like likely candidates. A while back, while we were debating, you posted scans of Deadend http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/deadend_model.jpg that showed several angles. Do you still have access to that book, and would you be willing/able to make some high quality scans? Also, does the book cover the secondary characters like Survive, Bazooka, Bump, Hydra, Sharp Edge. Randy and Sharp Edge? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:05, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

*[[Beast Wars II Encyclopedia|Beast Wars II Guidebook]]
**Big Convoy (full++)
**Longstickupass (full)
**Break (full)
**Stampy (full)
**Chorada (full)
**Heinrad (full)
**Mach Kick (full)
**Lockbuster (full)
**Randy (full-ish)
**Bump (full)
**Sharpedge (full)
**Survive (full)
**True One (fron + transformation)
**High Council (single shot)
**Magmatron ('''front and magamasaur only''', toy control art for other modes)
**Guildart (full)
**Saberback (full)
**Dead End (full)
**Sling (full)
**Archadis (robot front/back only, toy control art for beast mode)
**Hydra (single shot of robot mode only)
**Hardheaded old fart (full)
**Crazybolt (single shot of robot mode only)
**Bazooka ('''control art for all modes, no character models''')
**Vector Sigma (concept sketch)
**Yukikaze (3 views)
**Fuzzy seal things from episode 3 (front on both characters)
**Yukikaze Shuttle (multiple angles)
**Concept art of CR-chambers
**Hideos Spider Monster from episode 9 (partial model set)
**Star Upper (robot + beast, same model seen on his article now-- I colored it for that.)
**NAVI unit (3 angles + claw detail)
**Killerpunch (illo of his arm shooting only-- no proper models)
*[[Beast Wars Theatrical Special Film Book|Beast Wars II Movie Guidebook]]
**Lio Convoy (full)
**Apache (full)
**Tasmania Kid (full)
**Bighorn (full)
**Scuba/Ikard (full)
**Diver (full)
**Insectrons (Full set, but partially obscured. I have their colroed character models in another book to recover detail from...)
**Tripledacus (front only + head detail)
**Jointrons ('''low''' resolution, front and beast only)
**Artemis (several angles)
**Moon (rabbit only)
**Galbatron (full+)
**Megastrom (full)
**Starscream (full)
**BBB (full)
**Dirge (full)
**Thrust (full)
**Autorollers x4 (front, back, + 1 isometric vehicle view)
*[[Beast Wars Neo Big Encyclopaedia]] (despite the name, it is small-format)
**Majin Zarak (monster/aircraft)
**Lio Convoy (full)
**Apache (full)
**Tasmania Kid (full)
**Bighorn (full)
**Diver (full)
**Scuba/Ikard (full)
**Taco Tank (full-- with that name you'd think it belonged to the Jointrons...)
**LioJr.Skywarp/Santon/Magnaboss (full)
**Galbatron (full)
**Gigastrom (full)
**Hellscream (full)
**MaxB (full)
**Dirgegun (full)
**Thrustol (full)
**Optimus Primal (full)
**Majin Zarak (full)

That's what I have for BW-era character models...

'''Major stuff missing:''' Killerpunch, all the Seacons (I have the colored models though-- you can see them on their pages on the wiki.) Some 'sets' are less-than-complete, but might be filled out if you were able to pull lineart back out of the color models. (I have several guidebooks that include colored models-- usually partially obscured by text but potentially useful.)

I am looking for:
* BWII Manga v 2
* Car Robots encyclopedia (whatever its name is-- there was a mini-guidebook published for car that included a bunch of character models. I didn't buy it when I had the chance, which I've eternally regretted.)

...that's probably a more complete answer than you expected. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

The [[Beast Wars II Super Encyclopedia]] has ''colored'' models for all the pre-angolmois guys, including the missing Seacons. (front angles in both modes only)

The Beast Wars Neo Guidebook of Fuckwin has colored models of ''everyone''. Front angles only again.

Both of these would require some work-- even assuming it's possible to extract lineart from them, they're partially obscured by text and boxes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:56, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

:... aaaaand that is why you kick SO much ass! It looks like between the art I've already got and these guide books, there is VERY little that's missing. Thankfully, I've got Killerpunch (one of the few ancillary characters from Neo I do have). It looks like, assuming you're willing to make some scans / bring some books to Botcon for me to scan, you fill in pretty much all the gaps that I've got. Generally, I CAN extract lineart from color models when necessary, but it isn't my first choice. Looks like I'd be interested in:
::Lockbuster (full)
::Randy (full-ish)
::Bump (full)
::Sharpedge (full)
::Survive (full)
::Hydra (single shot of robot mode only)
::True One (fron + transformation)
::Vector Sigma (concept sketch)
::Fuzzy seal things from episode 3 (front on both characters)
::Concept art of CR-chambers
::Hideos Spider Monster from episode 9 (partial model set)
::Star Upper (robot + beast, same model seen on his article now-- I colored it for that.)
::Gigastrom (full)
::Optimus Primal (full)
::Majin Zarak (full)
:Plus, from [[Beast Wars II Super Encyclopedia]], colored Seacons. From Beast Wars Neo Guidebook of Fuckwin, colored Hydra and Bazooka. That would give full model sets for nearly everyone. Poor Hydra (he's so lonely) and Bazooka may be the only ones who wind up with just fronts. Ironic, since they'll be more work than the others.

:Do you have my email address? Cheers! --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:38, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
::Actually, I could use better shots of Guiledart's dinosaur mode too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:24, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ads tot he list.
:::Do you need these toot-sweet, or can it take a few days? (Just determines how much cleanup work I do.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:24, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Ideally I'd get it before Botcon. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:21, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

== The New Merge Template ==

...*dies laughing* Is all. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:20, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

== Template:Source ==

Trying to get it to match our new copyright tags, and have been mostly successful. Two problems. Trying to flatten out the if statements has met with less than perfect results, and the H2 tag there has forced me to use a bit of a kludge to prevent the TOC from being rendered IN the template. Hoping to get it in the same nice canary yellow and orange color scheme the original box you made for original sources used. Could you have a gander at it?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:28, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

== Revenge of the Fallen books. ==

I can't say as I really think [[Talk:I Am Optimus Prime (Robot Heroes)|this]] is one.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:40, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

== mfghrthr54tjtyj6t7kj67k5 ==

Seriously, stop bunging a Merge with Spotlight: Sixshot template on random pages, along with the other drunken stuff you've been doing tonight like the "Quatuar" page. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:24, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:I'm practicing for my drunken rampage during Botcon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:36, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

== Earthforce/US timeline ==

:''Note: this is not speculation, the UK Letters page confirm the US timeline is a result o the Timestorm.''
Which issue? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:18, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:I lost my notes on the UK Letters Page when my laptop was stolen-- ask Jim Sorrenson, he's researched the letters pages more recently than I. They say it at least twice. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== Bot work ==
Task: Scour the Wiki for all the myriard variant spellings of "Toys"R"Us", change them all to Toys"R"Us (no reversed "R", no spaces, standard quotation marks), make the first mention a Wiki link. Leave the [[Toys"R"Us]] page itself alone, especially the introductory paragraph.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:41, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Can your bot handle creating links as well as changing them? I was thinking it'd be nice to go through and link up all dates that aren't linked already. Would promote the date pages and make it easier to catch everything that belongs on each date page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:54, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:There is a concern that blindly linking to anything that looks like a date will cause more trouble than it solves. What if the text is part of a text link? For example, in disambigs, it's quite common to say ''in <nowiki>[[Transformers (2007)|the 2007 movie]]</nowiki> portion of the...''
:There is no simple way to prevent it from making a mess of those. :( -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:58, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
::Not the years, the months and days. Like "January 1", "May 15", "August 8", etc. I guess those could show up in links too, but I think it'd be a much rarer occurrance. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:08, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
::...potentially. I'll look into it if Scout ever fixes the pagelisting utility I use to generate a master list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:06, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

==Bot Request ==
I was trying to manually swap out [[Beast (planet)|Beest]] with [[Beast (planet) | Beast]] but the wiki delays have got me down. Any chance you can bot it? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:10, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
:Sure. When did the spelling change though? I thought Dreamwave's spelling ruled. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:13, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
::Actually, we may well have gotten them all. Spelling change was by (small) consensus, based on Metrodome and The Ark using the traditional spelling.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:23, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I'm not really sure why we moved it either. We have a name that doesn't require a parenthetical, which was used in English-language media. It can rightly be considered the English name of the planet. I don't know what moving it to a name that needs a parenthetical gains us.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:24, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Avoiding a disambiguation parenthetical shouldn't be a reason for deciding the name of an article-- it leads to stupidity like "All Spark."
::::But yeah... I get Jim's point of "two English-language sources for Beast," but they're both out-fiction sources that're just aping the Japanese name. (Quality of sources vs. quantity, I guess.) I prefer Dreamwave's spelling both because it has primacy and because it's less dumb (I'm not fond of Japan's dead-literal names) without really being a 'renaming.' The fact it removes the need for disambiguation is a plus, but not an active factor.
::::And it's worth pointing out that "Beast (G1)" isn't a very good parenthetical for the Dinobot combiner when Beest has appeared in Dreamwave's Transformers Generation 1 comics.
::::I don't actually care enough to ''contribute'' to that debate, but feel cree to carbon-copy my comments if they seem helpful. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:16, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Void==
Seriously, how do you undo that transparency? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:42, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
:<tt>Opacity:.5;</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
::I have no idea where that setting is or how you're changing it without it registering in the History, but I do appreciate that you've changed it back. Thank you. (As the one who came up with the gag of the page in the first place, I'm a little defensive of it.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It's not on the page-- it's in the sitewide CSS. I have a [http://emopanda.com/tmp/tfwiki_tmp_global.css rapid-development CSS file] loaded off ''my'' web-space as an include in TFWiki's <tt>common.css</tt> file. The ideas is that since only admins can edit <tt>common.css</tt> and since I do a fair amount of our template work... I have a file that can be easily edited, so you can make 50-60 changes while testing/developing template code.
:::In ''theory'' you could do this by yourself and then tell people to edit their personal .css file so they could see the changes... but in ''practice'' the result is that only 5 people would ever bother, even for major proposed changes-- and twice that number would look at a proposed template and say "it looks messed up" because they were lacking the .css for 'em.
:::(When Rosh and Jessye were developing styles for Monacobook and the main page, we just threw their code into the temp file so everyone could see it and respond easily.)
:::If something's ''really'' wild and out there, it can be tested using [[User:Derik/kired_tools|Kired Tools]], and is only visible to users who've installed the tools... but KT came later-- and anyway for 90% of stuff the rapid-development file is better-suited.
:::The idea is that ''eventually'' CSS changes, once they're completely solid, will migrate to the central common.css file. In practice... some of this code has been there for more than a year-- but I don't think I've gone more than 3 days ''without'' making some sort of edit to the file-- either for a new template or to accommodate a minor template tweak someone else wanted. The "button" code for example (used for the previous/next buttons) has been tweaked slightly with every new template that uses it. (Eventually I'll probably gut it and we'll get a generalized version made which can migrate to <tt>common.css</tt>.)
:::Oh-- and to answer your question re: the void specifically... you can set styles for ''specific pages''. The Void was an extreme example. A much simpler one: our main page doesn't display the redundant "Main Page" title which was competing with the acctual ''site title'' (TFWiki.net) in the visual hierarchy.
:::So yeah... that's basically it. If you require quick CSS changes or a test you can bug me. I, in turn, have to be careful and play nice with the demi-godlike power entrusted in me, or I have it taken away. (I've been warned a couple times about the limits of what I should and shouldn't do.) Net-net, everyone benefits and TFWiki.net has some of the nicer-looking templates out there.
:::...this is long. I hope it answers your questions. The seedy underbelly of TFWiki.net developers, with off-site archives and changes that don't show up in history! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:20, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::::Oh and before I forgety-- I suggest installing [http://getfirebug.com/ Firebug]. It's awesome-- and it woudl have todl you right away 'where' the code that was baffling you on the void page was coming from. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:28, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

== Bot Oddities ==

I've noticed during the SG switch that sometimes, while fixing one link, the bot will at the same time revert a previously changed link ''back'' for some reason. Check out [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=345155&oldid=345142 this diff], for instance. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:The two edits were made to the same page 4 seconds apart. Probably one was made by the 1-a-minute crontab script and the other was made by the speed-editor (which runs in-browser) and they tripped over one another's feet. (I'll turn off the 1-a-minute editor. The in-browser speed editor should force all the edits to execute in sequence instead of parallel.)
:You say 'sometimes,' have you seen it anywhere else? Normally that would only happen once in a blue moon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, sometimes right now, at least, due to the huge volume of link changes we're running. If you go to the Recent Changes page and show the bot edits, and skim down through it, you can see various instances on a number of pages where the size difference is (0) instead of a negative multiple of 13, meaning it fixed one link but reverted another. (Or there's 2 edits, but the size diff is only -13, etc.)
::Here's just [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Shattered_Glass_%28issue%29&action=history one page as an example], you can see the instances where the size doesn't change, and they seem to match up to the quirky reverts. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:56, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::...great, I'm running up against caching lag then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:28, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::I think when I'm done I'll just re-up all the moved pages "Move all the links again." Only this time instead of 1,400 links, it'll find maybe 30 loose ones.
:::::Ultimately if I re-architectured the 'bot to do ''all'' the pending relinks on a given page instead of making multiple edits the problem would go away. I looked at making such a change this afternoon, but the code changes involved were too complicated. :p -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:31, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Faction Icons==
Derik, per [[Template_talk:Factions]], trying to swap out the Armada Unicron symbol for the Blendtron Unicron symbol ... how would I do that? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:43, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:That's done on [[template:factions/icons]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:46, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::I can't figure out how, just from that link. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:26, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Mazenoise got it. Once the cache refreshes, the pages should reflect this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:28, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Thanks. (Sorry for your real estate, Derik.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:54, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Eh, no problem. I point out that [[User:Derik/kired tools|Kired Tools]] adds as 'purge' button @ the top of an article after the 'watch' button, which enables you to force a page to re-cache with a single click. (''Quite'' useful when making changes to templates... you don't have to wait for them to re-cache to see how the result looks.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:05, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

== Template numeracy ==

Just curious, is there a simple way to perform operations on a numeric template variable?

That is, if the template has a variable ''x'', can the template be made to spit out x+1 and x-1? And, taking it a stage further, can it be made to spit these out as a fixed number of digits (that is, if x=5, can it be made to spit out x+1 as 06 and x-1 as 04 without any further intervention?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:29, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

<nowiki>{{#pad: {{#expr: 1 + 2}} |4|0}}</nowiki> ''<!-- Pad to 4 characters using "0" the result of the expression
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions Relevant link with more info.] (This and other useful links can be found in the last section of my userpage. You want anything called "functions." )-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:44, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

::Thanks, I managed to figure out the rest from that :) [It was just to have autogenerated back/forward links on the Marvel cover templates, given that I didn't want to edit 97 pages by hand again and I hadn't been able to figure it out originally. There's still a slight question of styling, but meh, it'll do now] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:13, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sun Raid==
I posted the audio of Sun Raid on my Yahoo Video page. It was among the requests. Credit to Retro Robot Radio and positive feedback would be appreciated. [http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5920762/15412501] [[Special:Contributions/69.14.142.90|69.14.142.90]] 17:32, 7 September 2009 (EDT

:What a piece of work are you, 
:how noble in reason, 
:how infinite in faculties, 
:in form and moving how express and admirable, 
:in action how like an angel, 
:in apprehension how like a god! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:07, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, I just meant give it 5 stars in the Yahoo Video ratings and maybe say "thanks for posting this" in the user comments on that page. I'd been searching for Sun Raid for ages. I think I just need the audio for Decepticon Hostage now. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 16:58, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

==I guess this is a job for the bot==
Transfans.net relocated to transfans.co.uk lately, there's a thread about it here: http://transfans.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=112756 - we have a bunch of links to their scans of the UK comic letters pages, so we'll need to sort them before the redirects go away. Cheers, [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:07, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

== Navmenu Work in Progress ==
[[User:Jeysie/Navmenu]]

Sorry I'm taking so long on it, but I can only wrestle with IE for so long before I want to start kicking things, and my cat doesn't deserve that.

(And yeah, I know the design is ugly... that's not my strong point. I figure once the functionality's done, the design can be tweaked.)

(...wait, why did I name this "navmenu"? It's not a freaking navmenu. Oh well, whatev.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:09, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

:Uh, why include {{tl|HMcover}}, {{tl|MarvelUScover}} and {{tl|MarvelG2cover}}? They're all done - there's only 4, 80 and 13 (respectively) of each and they're all uploaded in the right places (unlike the Marvel UK covers, where 91 covers need moved for naming errors [[:Image:Desert island risks.jpg|large]] and [[:Image:MarvelUK-319.JPG|small]]. Also, someone needs to figure out the UK copyright situation on them enough to write {{tl|MarvelUKcover}} and {{tl|MarvelUKinterior}}.). Even if you wanted to upload a new version, you wouldn't need to insert those templates all over again.
:[And I can't tell, since I don't have the JS plugins/etc - does the code just spurt out stuff like <nowiki>{{MarvelUSinterior}}</nowiki>, or does it include the variables? And if this is for file ''uploading'', why {{tl|badimage}} and {{tl|replacedimage}}?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:34, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
::Because I just grabbed every single template in the Image Templates category. I don't actually know if all of those templates are useful or not, I was just interested in the core functionality of the thing. Since the HTML code is just a simple list, those folks who do know what is and isn't useful can easily remove (or add) stuff as needed.
::And, right now all it does is insert the basic template code itself sans variables, using the same wiki code that the Edit Tools bit uses. Derik will have to add back in the JS, as I don't know jack about JS. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:43, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
It spurts out the same code test that is displayed. If we convert the template to javascript (which, to be fair, can be done AFTER the design) we can re-rig it so that it spits out the template WITH all the variables listed and ready to be filled in to make it easier to use. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:23, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:Re: your Internet Explorer questions... do they perhaps relate to IE not properly registering mouseover events on objects other than A's? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:48, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
::No, IE7 can handle that (at least, it can in the test case... I'm hoping that the wiki's DOCTYPE and whatnot won't screw with it somehow), and there's a relatively easy tweak known as "behaviors" that can duplicate the functionality in IE6. It's more just IE being irritating in how it handles general display compared to FF and Opera, especially when you're fooling around with <tt>position:absolute</tt>. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:52, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:::<nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> IE's stupidity has mostly gone unconscious for me-- I've spent a decade dealing with it. Most of the time I code on Firefox now, and go back and fix any display issues... but that only works because I automatically avoid the types of conflicts that cause IE's worst problems, so no fundamental re-coding it needed, just tweaks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:56, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I usually try to avoid the more problematic stuff too, but there's no getting around using position when doing CSS menus. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:00, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Note to self... ==

As of {{now|15:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)}} there are 34,321 pages and 3,229 reirects on the wiki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

==Another bot request==

Is it somehow possible to have Deceptitran add [[:Category:Images by Nelson Yomtov]] to every Marvel US image? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 06:38, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:Hmmm... do they all share a common category? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::Well, there's [[:Category:Marvel US interior images]], which would make this a lot simpler than I thought. The only thing remaining after that would be to hunt down all those images that don't have the {{tl|MarvelUSinterior}} template on them.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 07:30, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Working on it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:21, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:::er- you realize that we have 2,283 images on the wiki with NO description other than "Importing Image File"? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:25, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Could you ''post'' that list somewhere, by any chance? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:21, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'm running some DB queries on my own server now related to it. (I also want to catch all the images whose description is ""; a totally blank page.)
:::::Once ''that's'' in place, ''then'' I'm going to re-code the 'bot (it's currently broken) into something more robust which can better handle our needs (Deceptitran 1.0 would stubbornly refuse to fix some links, wouldn't fix the in-template pagelinks we use, etc.) and use it to flag all the problem images.
:::::You know-- in between doing 6 ''other'' things, like working out a proposal for a total re-think on infobox layout, and a template for ad-hoc category tagging articles related to maintenance projects, writing a generic content-syndication script... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:13, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Would it be easy enough to make the bot just go through changing "Importing Image File" (and the blank pages) to {{tl|Bookworm}} for now? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 15:23, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::That's essentially what I've got planned, yes.

== Trolls ==

I read your essay on trolls a while back, and I thought it was one of the most concise and clear explanations of troll behavior in a wiki setting that I've seen. If it's okay with you, I'd like to present it as an unofficial essay on the wiki's I work on (obviously crediting you). So
#Is that fine with you?
#Could you provide a link to the original essay, both for crediting and because I'm stupid and can't find it.

Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:17, 7 November 2009 (EST)
:Sure, is it the "agree to disagree is not collaborate understanding" rant around Soundwave's profile you're looking for? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:21, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Oh man, I just realized I never replied to this. I apologize for my rudeness; yes, it was the one about Soundwave's profile.[[Special:Contributions/68.58.56.172|68.58.56.172]] 01:11, 9 December 2010 (EST)

== Year subpages ==

As I've been filling out the year pages, I've noticed that very few of the "subpages" for the year pages have been filled out. And those that have been filled out, don't seem to contain any information that isn't already found on the main year pages. What was the intent of those pages? As is, they seem redundant. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:16, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:Trash 'em! We've struggled to figure out what to do with the "year" pages. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:00, 21 November 2009 (EST)
::Ok. You're only saying to trash the subpages, I hope? I think the year pages are still valuable as lists of what was released that year. And by the by, have you seen what I did with [[1985]] or [[1986]] yet? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:59, 21 November 2009 (EST)
:::Yeah, there was this sort of vague idea that the year pages ought to be highly structured... but it just hasn't worked out in practice (no one does the work) to the year pages have languished. If they're finally turning ''into'' something then by all means feel free to trash those early experiments and impose the '''working''' structure. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:55, 21 November 2009 (EST)

== Suite template ==

I made a minor tweak to the suite template, which I've currently got at [[User:Abates/suitetest]]. The reason for it is because the suite template as it's currently engineered seems to generate bogus entries in the WantedPages list for "Optimus Prime (G1)/Merchandise/suite" and so on. As you're the resident template guru, I thought I'd better check with you before storming ahead and implementing it, in case there was some drawback I hadn't thought of with regards to the way I've done it. The only problem I can think of offhand is if it's used on an article with a / in it, for instance if we had "Transformers/G.I. Joe/Gallery". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:57, 9 December 2009 (EST)

==Bot request - redirects cat==
;Disregard.
<s>Now that you've got D'tran back up and working, could you possibly ask him to add any and all redirect pages into Category:Redirects to stop them clogging up [[Special:Uncategorizedpages]], please? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 04:05, 11 December 2009 (EST)</s>
:I'm confused - I don't see any redirects in the Uncategorized Pages list! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:31, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::You know what? You're right. I must be thinking of something else, but I can't think what it is. Ignore me. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 04:43, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I probably SHOULD do that with all the recursive redirect templates though... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:18, 29 December 2009 (EST)

== Rounded corners stuff ==
Thought I'd mention the little thing that the next version of Opera will support the <tt>border-radius</tt> property (since IIRC we just have FF & Safari's proprietary rounded border properties). IE still sucks, of course. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:13, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:Ayep, Opera 10.5 definitely has rounded border support. I added tweaks of all of the border-radius things I could find to [[User:Jeysie/monacobook.css|my personal CSS]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:15, 8 March 2010 (EST)

=2010=

==PSX Transmetals==
Hey, Derik. The Playstation version of the Transmetals fighting game won't emulate on my machine. Would you be able to get shots of the player 2 color schemes for the various characters in it, like you did Windrazor? (Is there really only one secondary color scheme per character in the PS version? The N64 game went crazy with 'em. I still need to finish screenshotting those...) -- [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:[http://emopanda.com/tmp/transmetals/ This] is a page I was working on in 2003 documenting the Tranemetals game which I never got finished. You can download [http://emopanda.com/tmp/transmetals/transmetals.rar a rar of the whole directory here], which includes full-res TGA's of my master screenshots (well, most of 'em. It's kinda a mish-mash.)
:Have at thee! You're free to use anything there! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:23, 26 January 2010 (EST)

== Question ==

I don't suppose you know if there's a way to reskin a particular page, and only that page? I'm trying to do that on another wiki. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:58, 15 February 2010 (EST)
:Every page on a wiki has a unique class associated witht he base <BODY> element based on its name. For the main page, this class is "page-Main_Page"
:So to hide the page title on the main page (which would otherwise supurfulously read "Main Page," and our analytics indicated were causing users to think they were not truly at the siteroot) we use the following css:
<pre>.page-Main_Page .firstHeading {
display:none;
}</pre>

I hope that's helpful! You cna find the class-identifier from a page by viewing the source or (easier IMO) using the Firebug extension. (But if you're not a developer, the Firebug extension may be confusing.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 15 February 2010 (EST)

:Sorry, but that makes no sense. You see, I'm trying to do something similar to what you were trying to do with [[Shattered Glass (franchise)]] at one point. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:48, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:: <tt>.page-Shattered_Glass_franchise</tt>.
::It's a css class that is assigned to the document root dynamically by the mediawiki software which reflects the name of the page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:52, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::Right.
:::Sorry, but I'm kinda stuck with the Monaco skin right now, and this stubbornly refuses to work. The closest I ever got was accidentally turning all the text on the target page white. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::Have you tried hitting it? Try hitting it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:51, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Assuming you're working with your personal styles page...
:::::Many default mediawiki styles are flagged with the "do not override" debug-code. This is terrible practice, but they did it, not us. Many others are id-prefixed (which gives them precedence.) This is '''good''' practice. Both are annoying.
:::::Try something like <tt>.page-Shattered_Glass_franchise #content h1.firstHeading</tt> (where .firstHeading is whatever class you're trying to affect. More specific rules has precedence, so adding the tag to the class may help too.) If it's still un-cooperative you can use the debug code in the rule. <tt>background-color:pink !important;</tt>.
:::::This, incidentally, is why I use Firebug; it shows you what rules are overriding what. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:43, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Actually, I'm working with the main .css file (One of the perks of being an <s>almighty god</s> admin.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:58, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::By "main" I assume you mean common.css, not the skin base file. (IIRC the skin file requires FTP access to change.)
:::::::What are you trying to do? Maybe I can help. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:10, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::I'm actually stuck with Wikia, so I'm working with MediaWiki:monaco.css.
::::::::Anyway, I'm (pretty much) running a wiki about a text-based RPG on a forum you have most likely never heard of before, and we just introduced a mirrorverse.
::::::::I'm trying to change the skin's colours (which are maroon-ish and grey, if that helps), to light blue and slightly darker gray, thus giving an "inverted colours" appearance" on that page and that page only. If it's possible to reverse the link colours too (blue links are red, red links are blue), that would be nice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:57, 17 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::shift-refresh to clear your cache if you're not seeing the colors.
<pre>.page-User_talk_Derik #content{
background-color:#cccccc !important;
}

.page-User_talk_Derik #content a.new{
color:#5A3696 !important;
}

.page-User_talk_Derik #content a{
color:#CC2200 !important;
}</pre>

:::::::::The basic principle involved should be clear enough. Let me know when you've seen this so I can remove it from TT1's master CSS file. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:28, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::::I have it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:02, 19 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::And, quite annoyingly, it is still not working. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:25, 19 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Install the [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 firebug plugin]. Use it to highlight the affected element. It will show you which CSS rules apply to that element, and which are overriding each other. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:27, 20 February 2010 (EST)

==GoBot Wiki spam==
FYI: Your user page and a couple of others on [http://gbwiki.covertutopia.com/wiki/Main_Page GoBots wiki] has been spammed. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:38, 15 February 2010 (EST)

== Your userpage ==

When did this wiki get horribly fused with the wiki where I actually ''am'' an admin and have access to the site css? :)

(No, really. Fix that when you get around to it.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:30, 20 February 2010 (EST)

== Bot Request ==

:We need to nuke all the sub-categories in Category:Functions named "foo specialist". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 12:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== common_tmp.css versus the css on emopanda ==

Hey! [[User:Derik/Common tmp.css]] and tfwiki_tmp_global.css on emopanda are both included in common.css at the moment. I would have simply removed one as mostly they're duplicates of each other, but it looks like you'd added stuff (e.g. the feed icons) to your emopanda copy which isn't in common_tmp.css. Should I move the new styling into common_tmp.css and remove the emopanda file from common.css? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== emopanda malware warning. ==

I'm getting a malware warning off emopanda when I load the site in chrome (I had to remove the call to the css file on there from common.css). The warning I got linked to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page] so you can check it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:38, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
:...odd. I wonder if my host got infected? I haven't touched a thing on the site. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:28, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== Request for info ==

Hey there, I'm Dr Ishmael, an admin at GuildWiki. We are currently in the planning stages of leaving Wikia, and you were mentioned as a good resource to contact for advice on the technical details of this process.

Specifically, it was mentioned that when TFwiki moved, you initially had a form of cross-site authentication in place so that Wikia users could re-register their usernames here with the same password. I was wondering if you could give me any specifics on how that was implemented (I've written similar code before in Perl, so I'm familiar with the idea), or even if you still had the code lying around that you could send me.

If you have any additional advice about this or any other aspect of moving a wiki, we would certainly appreciate the help. Feel free to [[Special:Emailuser/Dr ishmael|email me]] directly or [[Wikia:c:guildwars:User:Dr ishmael|contact me at GuildWiki]]. Thanks! [[User:Dr ishmael|Dr ishmael]] 13:35, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

: A friendly anon posted at GuildWiki to direct me to your LJ posts about the move. I think they cover everything I had questions about so far. However, Wikia is now using a fancy AJAX-based login page (Special:Signup) and I don't know if Special:UserLogin still functions or not (going to the URL just redirects to Special:Signup, but it might still accept POST requests). If I run into any problems adapting the code for the new login page, I may be back with more questions. [[User:Dr ishmael|Dr ishmael]] 15:28, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
::Good luck! It's kinda cool to see other people telling Wikia where they can shove it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:03, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

:::I'm a bureaucrat at the Might and Magic Wiki which is also in the process of telling Wikia where "it" belongs and moving elsewhere. Love the new interface here and its strong resemblance to Monaco: I wanted to ask whether it would be considered a violation of any laws/goodwill if we shamelessly copy it as a template (and if so, whether we could inquire about related technical help around here during the transfer)? Thanks! --[[User:Dubiel|Dubiel]] 18:15, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

== Monaco-book skin ==

Hi! I am User:KrytenKoro at kingdomhearts.wikia.com, and we recently moved to khwiki.net . We are trying to install monaco, but our host said that wikia's version is too buggy to use, so we wanted to use tfwiki's monaco-book as an alternative. From what I can tell, you worked on that skin some, and I was hoping that you could help our host ([http://khwiki.net/User_talk:porplemontage here]) get that installed. If there's anything I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask, and if I'm bugging the wrong person, I apologize. Thanks! [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:KrytenKoro KrytenKoro]14:23, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:You want to ask [[User:Rosicrucian]] about that.
:(I imagine we're fine with it-- we internally refer to our skin as "Monacobook" because it's a deliberate hybrid.) But Ros is the guy who did all the heavy lifting putting the skin together, so you'd want to ask him for guidance. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::Our skin took kind of a weird path to get here. The stuff that went into it ''started'' as me futzing around with reskinning Monaco, then when it became obvious that too much of Monaco was tied into weird Wikia specific stuff, I shifted to reskinning Monobook. The thing to realize about coming up with mediawiki skins is that really all it takes is some basic knowledge of CSS and enough spare time to throw up a working file in your userspace and bang away at it until you get something you like. Really, I haven't ''radically'' changed anything in Monobook, and CSS files are pretty human-readable on purpose. I mean seriously, I think maybe the most "different" thing we did was applying patterns to the various header bars and finding a way to substitute graphics in the place of the sidebar header text. If you mean just straight-up "how to install skins in MediaWiki" there is actually [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins/From_Meta a very good tutorial] on that already in the MediaWiki documentation. As I don't think I did anything too special with our skin, I personally don't have much qualms if you appropriate the basic structure and make it your own. Just familiarize yourself with what a CSS file looks like, and bear in mind the stuff I did is going to point rather obviously to assets on this server, so your own reskinned version will of course have to substitute new graphics and their respective paths in.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:00, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::Thanks![[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 18:49, 17 February 2011 (EST)

== Template:Disbox? ==

Hey, Derik, is Template:Disbox actually in use for anything? I'm trying to clean up Uncategorized Templates. [[User:JW|JW]] 09:55, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:It's a legacy of a proposed change to how the disambig pages were done.
:Feel free to trash it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:28, 13 February 2011 (EST)

Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2011-02-11T17:36:29Z

12.53.10.226: /* Dark of the Moon */

{{disambig3|Sentinel Prime}}
{{factions|autobotfilm|{{factions/icons|custom=Cyberglyphics Prime Symbol.png|cLink=Dynasty of Primes|cPretty=Prime}}}}
:''Sentinel Prime is an Autobot from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:DOTM-SentinelPrimetrailer.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Daddy?]]

'''Sentinel Prime''' is a Prime! He likes to sleep with his eyes open.

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
Sentinel Prime led an expedition where it took him fourteen galactic convergences to get an echo of something.

Whether or not he is one of [[Seven Primes|the original Primes]] or in the later Dynasty of Primes is uncertain. He does however seem to be one of the direct ancestors of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].

Sentinel Prime was mentioned in a rambling lecture of [[Sam Witwicky]]'s while under an [[AllSpark]] fragment-induced trance. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' IDW Comic===
[[The Fallen]] killed all the Primes save Optimus. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
{{comingsoon}}

==Toys==
===''Dark of the Moon''===
[[Image:DOTMtoy-SentinelPrimeMechtechLeader.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Live-action hyper goldfish!]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (Mechtech Leader Class 2011)
:[[Mechtech]] Leader Class Sentinel Prime transforms from fire truck to robot and back! He comes with a shield and a double-bladed sword thingy.
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
*In an early draft of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', time stops as [[Sam Witwicky]] falls down the building [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] smashed, and Sentinel appears to him via the [[AllSpark]]. Sentinel would've clarified the history of the war and the relationship between Optimus and Megatron (when the writers intended them to be siblings) and given him a clue to defeating Megatron with the Cube.<ref>[http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/tf1-amblin.html Blog post] from [[Ken Christiansen]].</ref>
*Michael Bay has confirmed Sentinel Prime will be in ''[[Dark of the Moon]]'', in an interview with MTV, Michael is quoted as saying "Sentinel Prime is great. He's great...I can't tell you anything else, other than he's great."<ref>[http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1657670/michael-bay-transformers-dark-of-the-moon.jhtml Interview at MTV]</ref>
==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]

User talk:Derik

2011-02-09T19:23:34Z

12.53.10.226: /* Monaco-book skin */ new section

Six Lasers Over Cybertron

2010-11-29T14:13:15Z

12.53.10.226:

:''Six Lasers over Cybertron is a Cybertronian theme park from the [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

'''Six Lasers Over Cybertron''' is a theme park on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

Its attractions include:
* the Space Slide
* the Galaxy Coasters
* the Plasma Curve, the most popular roller coaster at the theme park. It runs on magnetic coaster rails held aloft by seventy-one girders sunk into the planet The long lines of visitors waiting to ride weave around these pillars, underneath the ride itself. If [[Megatron (Prime)|anyone]] were to... say, want to start a planetary war via acts of devastating terrorism, this would be a particularly bad spot to be standing, great place in line or not.

==Fiction==
===Beast Wars===
====Beast Wars cartoon====
The theme park was operational at least as early as the beginning of the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'''s mission which led into the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. When [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] respectfully declined [[Rattrap]]'s invitation to go with him to strip club, Cheetor tried to make it up to Rattrap by inviting him to come along to Six Lasers over Cybertron. Rattrap declined rather not as respectfully. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}

===Prime===
====Exodus====
Located to the north of [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]], access to Six Lasers was only permitted to those in the high [[caste system|castes]], something that made [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Orion Pax]] angry despite his concession that the park would otherwise be swamped. The sentiment was shared by thirty-six [[Mini-Con|Minicons]], who made a suicide bombing under the Plasma Curve. During the war, Six Lasers was destroyed, something [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]] did not understand as the park only had a token garrison. [[Jetfire (Prime)|Jetfire]] later used the ruins to gather enough spacecraft to distract [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] from the construction of the ''[[Ark (Prime)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

==Notes==
* The name of the theme park is a reference to [[wikipedia:Six_Flags|Six Flags]] over various countries.
* It is unknown whether there are Six Lasers parks on planets other than Cybertron.

[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Planet Cybertron]]
[[Category:Prime locations]]

Talk:Starscream (WFC)

2010-11-29T13:51:50Z

12.53.10.226: /* Contradiction */ new section

The soldiers on Starscream's station were all Autobots. One would assume "Autobot" to be the default faction of all Transformers prior to Megatron's rebellion. Additionally, Jetfire names Starscream and his goons as "traitors" and that the {Autobot leader} Zeta Prime would hear of this betrayal. Wouldn't that make Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp Autobots originally? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:46, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:The description for the achievement on that level (the one where you have to kill all but one prisoner) refers to the prisoners as neutrals. Plus, their funky Tron lines are yellow, while Autobots are red and Decepticons are purple. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:48, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Ahh, I didn't note the yellow lights. My mistake. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::It might still be worth noting on the [[Neutral]] page. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:24, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

== Part of the Ambush/Bodyguard? ==

Reading back through Exodus: Starscream was not really a part of the attack on the Casino, as he's surprised and puzzled by some of what's happening, though he clearly knewn something was up, with a planned meeting with Megatron after he has secured the old Prime somewhere "safe". Basically, like in much of the book, he's skirting the line, leaving his options open to join either side. My question though, it seems a bit like he might have been there "officially" to guard the Prime. Like a lot in Exodus it's a bit vague though. Did anyone else get the vibe that he was specifically there with Sentinel as a bodyguard? (At least from Sentinel's point of view). --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:43, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:I definitely got the impression he was there to guard Sentinel Prime. Why else would the Prime have gone with him?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:49, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
::Pretty much answered iself later in the chapter. Starscream was definately there as sentinel's bodyguard, and apparently had worked as such for a good while before. We need to add that to the article.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:52, 19 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I have done it, but like all the Decepticons' motives in ''Exodus'' it is meant to be ambigious because these are inherently untrustworthy characters. Starscream may well have been aware of the attack and used it as the opportunity to deliver Sentinel to Kaon, with Sentinel's cowardice at Altihex only reinforcing his motive. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 08:20, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Michael Jackson ==

For anyone who's looked at the Amazon preview of the ''Prime'' comic, it appears just as Dark Energon turned Megatron into a [http://www.council-of-elrond.com/castdb/ringwraith/ringwraith2.jpg Wraith], Starscream has turned into [[Michael Jackson]]. We need to have every caption of him in the show to tribute Wacko Jacko in some way. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== Starscream Picture ==

I have a new picture for Starscream but I cannot upload it. Could someone help? Here is the link. http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/tf-prime-starscream-5.jpg

== Contradiction ==

Isn't it easily resolved as "He was a scientist, but isn't now"?[[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 08:51, 29 November 2010 (EST)

Transformers: Prime (franchise)

2010-11-29T13:45:06Z

12.53.10.226: /* Continuity family */

{{Nav-Prime}}
'''''Transformers: Prime''''' is a ''Transformers'' [[franchise]] that launched in the year 2010. It spirals out of the novel ''[[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|Transformers: Exodus]]'', based on the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron| War for Cybertron]]'' video game. ''Prime''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s main manifestation will be the upcoming [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Transformers: Prime'' cartoon]] on the new [[The Hub|Hub]] network.

The ''Prime'' franchise featured the following primary components:
*[[Transformers: Prime (comic)|Comic books]]
*[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|A cartoon series]]

''Transformers: Prime'' represents a concerted effort on Hasbro's part to imagine a new "aligned continuity" from the ground up that includes all the facets they feel worked best from past universes.<ref>[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024 TF Views June 2010 Q&A]</ref> Given this, it is not surprising to find that it borrows heavily from [[Generation 1 (franchise)|G1]], [[Live-action film series|the live-action movies]] and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'', among others. Their plans are for the ''Prime'' universe to last several years, unlike the constant reboots of the 2000s.<ref name="Archer and Tieger">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/tfw2005-war-for-cybertron-interview-with-aaron-archer-and-matt-tieger-168910/ 2009 TFW2005 interview with Aaron Archer and Matt Tieger]</ref> To this end, they have created an extensive, 350-page continuity bible for writers in the new continuity to follow.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/botcon-2010-transformers-prime-panel-coverage-170054/ BotCon 2010 coverage at TFW2005]</ref>

Most excitingly, this continuity family began unraveling the mystery of the [[thirteen original Transformers]] in ''Exodus'', as stated in Hasbro's [[Hasbro Q&A/May 2010: Answers|May 2010 Q&A]]. At [[BotCon 2010]], redesigns of five of the 13 were shown.

==Continuity family==
*The continuity includes the character [[bio]]s from the [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] (with the possible exception of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]), [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]], [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron]], and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]]. Hasbro's official [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War for Cybertron] timeline places the events of the ''War for Cybertron'' after the events of the ''Exodus'' novel.
*Despite the concerted effort to organize the new continuity, ''Exodus'' and ''War for Cybertron'' are very incompatible versions of a similar story, creating two separate universes for the continuity right from the start. Regardless, in a preview of the game it was mentioned the game was to serve as a ''basis'' for the new continuity,<ref name="Archer and Tieger"/> and ''Exodus'' can be considered an [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdaptationExpansion adaptation expansion].
*It probably doesn't help that poor editing left ''Exodus'' self-contradictory on a good number of backstory points.
*In questions from the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September 2010 Hasbro Q&A]] regarding the [[thirteen original Transformers|original 13]], Hasbro has stated "Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity". Nothing prior to the modern continuity can be counted on as being true for this continuity, which apparently includes previously revealed backstory for members of the original 13. In particular, [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]] will not have Multi-verse jumping powers and there will be only one [[Megatronus|The Fallen]] in the modern continuity.

==Notes==
*[[Aaron Archer]] stated at [[BotCon 2010]] that he wasn't particularly happy with "Prime" as the name of the new continuity family, but did not yet have a better option to offer. He had considered recommending "Epochs," only to conclude it wasn't really better after all. In the [[Hasbro Q&A/October 2009|October 2009 Hasbro Q&A]] with The Allspark forum, they referred to the 13's story as an "epoch". Answers to [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|Hasbro's September 2010 Q&A]] refer to it as the "modern continuity".
*In the September 2010 Hasbro investor webcast, it was mentioned the show's products would be hitting the shelf in October 2011. ''War for Cybertron'' designs were released in the [[Generations (toyline)|Generations]] toyline.

==References==
{{Reflist}}
[[Category:Continuity families]]
[[Category:Franchises]]
[[Category:Prime| ]]