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Decapitation

2011-08-07T07:07:00Z

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[[Image:Movie Bonecrusher dies.jpg|thumb|right|300px|This article only exists to please [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|him]].]]
'''Decapitation''' is a means of defeating an opponent by which his head is removed. Depending on the continuity, this may lead to [[death]].

[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ''loves'' it while [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] hates it.

{{quote|Give me your FACE!|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] revels in his favorite tactic|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:NewOrder-OptimusPrimehead.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Time to face facts.]]
{{quote|It's all a matter of how you remove your head. You see, even I - unh, there it goes - can take my head off. It's all a matter of how you do it. There's a whole set of mental commands that disconnect nerve endings and the like. If you just rip it off, fuel lines, neural connections and other vital bits are severed, as in the case of Cyclonus. Nine times out of ten it's fatal.|[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] on decapitation.}}

{{quote|Well, it's quite simple really: the 'stupid female' (!) in question kindly restored Cloudburst's head to its rightful place, i.e. on top of his shoulders. Cyclonus wasn't lucky enough to have somebody around to do the same.|Dreadwind contradicting his previous statement.}}
After defeating the Autobots, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] removed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s head from his body for the purpose of accessing the [[Creation Matrix]]. {{storylink|The New Order}} Prime's head remained conscious and able to communicate with [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. {{storylink|The Worse of Two Evils!}} When he was finished with Prime's head, he disposed of a fake Optimus Prime as part of a ruse to trick the Autobots. The Autobots did indeed find the head and install it back on Prime's body. The fake head took control of Optimus's body and immediately started attacking the Autobots. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

In order to show his sincere desire for peace, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] ripped his ''own'' head off; five others followed him. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}} The heads remained alive and capable of talking even without a body. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

[[Image:MarvelUK-220.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Uh, I don't think you'll be able to turn anyone to stone with this.]]

''[[Straxus (G1)|Megatron]] would rip [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus']] head off his shoulders, which killed him instantly.'' {{storylink|Dry Run!}}

''[[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] give prerequisite mental commands when their heads come off. Suddenly ripping the head off, as happened to [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], means those commands aren't given and they black out.'' {{storylink|All in the Minds!}} ''The only thing that revives them is if the head is reconnected to the body; [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Lord Zarak]] remained as Scorponok's immobile head for some time.'' {{storylink|Time Wars (issue)|Time Wars}}

''During the Time Wars, [[Twin Twist]] had his head ripped off and [[Rack'n'Ruin]] had one of his/their heads shot off. Both were written off as dead.'' {{storylink|Time Wars (issue)|Time Wars}}

When [[Cloudburst]] pissed off the [[First One]], she cut his head off. However, [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] struck a deal with her and she returned Cloudburst's head to his body. He showed no signs of severe damage. {{storylink|Recipe for Disaster!}}

''[[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] murdered two Autobots by lopping their heads off.'' {{storylink|Headhunt}}
{{--}}

====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:CityofSteel Prime head.JPG|thumb|left|150px|Heading into the realms of disbelief.]]
[[Image:DesertionDinobots1 Powerglide no head.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
Optimus Prime was decapitated by [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] as part of his disassembly after falling into [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s trap. This did not prevent him from being able to have partial control over his body parts. {{storylink|City of Steel}}

[[Cybertonium]] depletion caused [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]'s head to fall off, though he could still talk and had full control over the rest of his body. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}
{{--}}

====Dreamwave comics continuity====
[[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]] took off [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s head so he could use it to trick the other Decepticons. [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]] later used it to prove the [[guzzler]]s just what [[Micromaster]]s are capable of. Shockwave was eventually repaired. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

====IDW comics continuity====
[[Image:Devastation6 Runamuckdies.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Where knocking your block off has a rather more literal meaning than first intended.]]
[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] was decapitated by the Whirling [[Reaper]]. His head remained alive, fully conscious and still able to speak, until another Reaper smashed it with a very large boulder. {{storylink|Devastation issue 6}}
{{--}}

====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[Image:Double Jeopardy Terrorsaur decap.jpg|left|thumb|200px|"Hey, Scorpy, wanna get ''ahead''? Just a bit ''off the top'' this time? Eh? Eh? (Wow, tough crowd)."]]
Decapitation is notably non-fatal for the Beast Warriors. [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]'s head frequently comes off, [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] has lost his a bunch of times too, [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] got his head knocked off in an explosion, {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} and when Inferno and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] accidentally slammed into each other, they swapped heads. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}

In most cases, the Transformer was still able to talk happily. In some cases, like poor Terrorsaur's to the left, the Transformer's body could still move and would try to re-attach its head. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}

Megatron was obviously going for this result in his attempt to kill [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and change history, but he only managed to melt parts of the Autobot's head despite routing all available power to his main weapon. There's something to be said for those "archaic energon guzzlers" after all. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}
{{--}}

===Live-action film series continuity===
[[Image:Barricade-comicsadaptation-death.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Your face? GIVE ME YOUR WHOLE FREAKING HEAD!]]
[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] rather ruthlessly decapitated [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]].

[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] was decapitated ... by [[Mikaela Banes|a chick!]] ... but his head lived on, taking a cell-phone [[alternate mode]] of its own. Frenzy is able to do this because he has a special, decentralized, modular nervous system.<ref>Frenzy's profile in [[Transformers Comic issue 7]], which was re-worked from his entry in ''[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]]''.</ref> In any event, the remains of his head were later seen in a display case, probably because his final injury in the movie only lopped off MOST of his head. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] was decapitated by Optimus Prime, apparently killing him but is shown to survive in the third movie. {{storylink|Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four|Movie Adaptation #4}}

[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]'s head was torn in half and then removed by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

Hunters are known for decapitating the corpses of their kills, and displaying them as trophies. Optimus Prime, surprisingly, finds it distasteful. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.10| Bring Me the Head of Optimus Prime}}

[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], the [[Driller]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] are decapitated in the third movie. [[Que]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]'s heads fell off when they died. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Barricade's decapitation was not shown in the film and later comics [[retcon]] him as surviving with his head still on his shoulders.}}

===Animated continuity===
[[Image:TFA Headmaster headbutt.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Glad to see you've got some headspace to deal with this issue (had enough of the puns yet?)]]
The [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] uses his [[Headmaster unit]] to cut off the heads of [[Transformer]]s so that he can take control over their bodies. Yet this does not kill his victims.

Two stand out examples of surviving decapitation are worth noting. The first is the example of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], who was decapitated during an uncontrolled re-entry into Earth's atmosphere. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} He was sent into stasis lock as a result, but was reactivated fifty years later thanks to [[Sari Sumdac]]'s [[AllSpark Key]], which had been powered with the energies of the [[AllSpark]]. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

The other major example is [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], but this is atypical. Starscream's survival was because of an AllSpark fragment embedded in his head, meaning he could survive any normally spark threatening injury as long as the shard was in his head. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

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Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-07-19T10:43:23Z

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== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::Are you sure it's the international title, or is it just the title in your area? Either way, it could be added somewhere in there I'm sure. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Scratch that, the new trailer calls the movie "El lado oscuro de la Luna" (Dark side of the moon), at least the movie looks awesome.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:23, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I thought we usually didn't do production sections though? What if it was placed in it's own section down at the bottom with the notes and trivia and such. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:20, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)
The term "Dark side of the moon" was a misnomer even before Transformers got hold of it. The dark side of the moon refers to the side of the moon that always faces away from Earth. But it gets just as much sunlight as the near side. It should rightly be called the FAR side of the moon.[[Special:Contributions/180.176.116.4|180.176.116.4]] 23:45, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::::Whatever. If the toy we've seen resembling it is the same character, it must have two modes: condor mode and dragon mode. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:35, 13 March 2011 (EST)

The same character (or an identical one) in the game is confirmed as Laserbeak. Is that sufficient enough to list him as a film character?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:58 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:Confirmed where? By whom? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:45, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
::Well, it WAS on the page for the DOTM game, but it isn't anymore, so I'm guessing that was incorrect.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 5:04 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:::I removed it from there as there was no source listed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:10, 27 March 2011 (EDT)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::(That was not Barricade, but Sideways. Well, *a* Sideways.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:You recognized Long Haul and Brawl? You mean like how [[Grindor (ROTF)|we recognized Blackout in ROTF?]] --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:04, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: Because of Hasbro's action figures, we knew that there was a Blackout lookalike named "Grindor" from the start. Until Hasbro reveals some alternate names for these guys, I think we can feel safe keeping them under the umbrella of their known names, like we did and do with ROTF's Constructicons. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:22, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: Long Haul and Brawl ''do'' have same-body-type buddies from the toyline--Payload and Tankor respectively. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:33, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:::: Yes, but all of the green Long Hauls are accounted for on Long Haul's page. This is just another green Long Haul, and we should treat it as such until we know differently. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:42, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== Crankcase, Ratchet, etc ==

Dudes, if we have a trailer and a Toy Fair, and we see vehicle modes that we know belong to movie characters, and we see those vehicle modes that belong to movie characters ''transform into the robot modes of said movie characters'' I really think we need to get beyond the "we pretend we don't know anything" schtick. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:59, 20 February 2011 (EST)
: Also, the whole "what if this is not the real Crankcase and the real Crankcase is elsewhere" is an argument that ''predicates'' on the idea that the "real" Crankcase is in the film. And if there IS no "real" Crankcase in the film, then this "generic" BECOMES the "real" Crankcase. Either way, he's in the damn film. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:07, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: FurtherFURTHERmore, the fact that the counterargument has gone from "it's just an SUV" to "it's just a robot" to "it's just a robot mode that looks like Crankcase's" as this goes on just feels like this is a counterargument based not on facts but on obstinate reluctance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:12, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: And to put a final nail in the coffin, there were several [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]s in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', but they were all accounted for on Long Haul's page as Long Haul. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: I think if this passes based on this argument, then everyone in charge of this site better remember this when others are putting up information using the same reasoning. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 15:23, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== New Chevy Beat/Spark 'Bots (?) ==

Nelson said that a Chevy Spark spotted on set was not Skids, but a ''new'' character.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:11, 25 February 2011 (EST)
:We'll get to it when '''''official information comes out'''''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:30, 25 February 2011 (EST)
::So, Nelson isn't a trustable source?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:19, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::There's literally not enough information to do anything with. What do you want, a page for ''Unnamed Chevy Spark character who might just be one of the Twins, we aren't sure yet''? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:46, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Those Sparks were seen in trailer, but I still don't believe non-appearance of the Twins being misinformation. Characters were said to be cut off from the film, but the vehicles not. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 9:24, 2 May 2011 (EST)
:::::If their vehicles appear, the characters are in the film. Please don't revert again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:31, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::CAJH, considering how much Bay lied about Megatron not coming back in ROTF, and his (and Nelson's) claims about the Twins not coming back in DOTM (despite all evidence to the contrary), we're better off including them based upon what we can actually see rather than they tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

== Is Mirage really in DOTM??? ==

I saw that Mirage was added to the cast list (as of 11:09 pm EST on April 8th, 2011). Besides the Speed Star toy of Mirage, is there any actual evidence that the red Ferrari in DOTM is Mirage? I think the addition is a bit premature (I was about to undo the addition, but I thought I would play it safe). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:13, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:We're not exactly sure yet, so leaving him off for now is probably for the best. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:28, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

==Brains==

Some believe that Brains might become the Einstein-Mercedes-bot, but I don't think so. Bay confirmed Brains being small in film too. What would you think that Einstein-bot be, if he's not Brains? --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:More than likely just an early head design for Wheeljack. But we'll know for sure when the movie's out or more promotional renders are revealed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:00, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Brains is in the "Rising Storm" comic prequel. He's a tiny hatchling guy that Bumblebee and Sam escort. Wheeljack is a separate dude who looks like Wheeljack. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::And if Wheeljack ever is that Mercedes-bot, it's very understandable that he would be different in film. Shockwave and Sentinel were too different in comic adaptations. And do not forget Mirage, though it's not officially confirmed, if he is the Ferrari-bot or not. And Brains we'll see in film looks definitely different than Brains we saw in comics.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:28, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

== Darkside Moon ==

I am a fan of these two titles because they have that "crazy" factor to them. That said...

I notice there's exactly one dot in those there katakana. I don't suppose it's actually "Darkside Moon", eh? You see "Darkside" here and there, really. [[Special:Contributions/174.111.86.22|174.111.86.22]] 09:53, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe. could be. Anyone else think it should be changed to "Darkside Moon" as opposed to the "Dark Side Moon" title that I originally wrote? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Trailer ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-trailer-172021/ It also seems that Simmons lost a leg, and there are many Crankcases--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:46, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
:I think he broke his leg, but anyway people can see the video for themselves so we don't need to mention stuff in it here. If you want to discuss the content of the video, you should take it to a forum. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:48, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Washington Post thing ==

That video is from 2010. Why did you date it April 30, 2011? Also, it's probably too plot point spoilery for us to use. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:36, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Avon sweepstakes ==

Looks like Avon's having a contest to meet Patrick Dempsey at the premier of DotM. Link [http://www.avon.com/PatrickDempsey here]. Worth mentioning on the page? (Started last week if you want to add this to the timeline) -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 09:13, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
:I personally don't think it should be added to the ''film'' article of the DOTM franchise, but this is unique in that Avon is having this contest without (as far as I know) having any merchandise tie-ins. Perhaps it could be noted on the main DOTM franchise article page as well as on the Patrick Demsey article. Either way, this is note-worthy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:28, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hatchet is he,in the film? ==

Is it just me or should we add him because somebody add the "more info will pop up in July,1,2011" box-thing,just sayin' - [[User:Dinodigger97|Dinodigger97]],May-4-2011
:If you mean Ratchet, he is already in the cast list. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:33, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, there's a new Decepticon named [[Hatchet]], so I think that's who he meant. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:::D'oh! Sorry, hard to keep up with all these new dudes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::::To answer your question Dinodigger97, no, we don't know. I'm not sure why Hatchet's article has a fiction section already, as there has been no indication that he is in the movie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:34, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Amazon comic spoilers ==

Could we please not get all excited about the spoiled comic adaptation pages on Amazon and rush off to the wiki? I think CAJH even cited Alientraveller's edits with a flickr account (with, I presume, pages of the comic). I wasn't about to spoil myself to look, so I just reverted everything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:33, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:For that matter, the comic adaptations of the movie are usually done from earlier versions of the script, and aren't guaranteed to reflect the movie itself. If we ''must'' document every little nugget, those spoilers would more properly go on the comic adaptation's page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:42, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry guys, I concur as Amazon.com has apparently removed those pages (and TFW followed suit). Just a shame I still can't find a source to confirm the name of Shockwave's pet, or Dempsey's character for this page. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:45, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::... did you just mention a spoiler? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:22, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Maybe the comic adaptation has little differences with the film. But some elements like rest of the characters can't be different. But ok then. Let's wait at least until the release date. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:43, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Why couldn't the characters be different? Characters might appear in fight scenes in the comic with names and personalities yet be represented in the film only by an indistinguishable mass of duplicates of someone else. Thus, the [[Dread (subgroup)|Dreads]] in the movie might all be [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] doppelgangers but [[Hatchet]] might appear in the comic. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:57, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Anyway, my main point for the revert was that the pages of the comics were apparently chock full of spoilers that were not supposed to be revealed yet (hence sites like TFW having to remove their news post). And even if Hasbro/Bay/Paramount didn't care (except they do), the wiki has a policy of avoiding overt spoilers for fiction until the release date. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:12, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Dreads ==

Not trying to start a discussion with anybody, just pointing out: We already saw that there's a Black Dodge Charger, who's NOT Barricade, also we've seen that Hatchet is a Dread, and he has three other chances of appearing --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 14:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
:What? Seen what? Why are you pointing this out here? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:34, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::If you have something against this post, I have no problem in erasing it --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 18:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just wondering... ==

The 2007 TF film article used quotes from the 1986 movie, should I replace those with one of the prequels of Star Wars. (or, to be more specific, Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: Do not alter the captions on the 2007 film article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:29, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe other stuff from Ep 4. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:30, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

At Walky: OK, I ''will'' [Not alter the quotes].

But still, quite stupid to quote the 1986 movie. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:34, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: I've got an idea. Call our efforts stupid one more time and you can have a quite stupid ban. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== June 28 release? ==

I followed the link given for the release date, and that dateline site says it's coming out June 2'''9''', not 28. Is there something somewhere that suggests it's coming out on Tuesday instead? [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 18:02, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Capone's AICN Review ==
Any thoughts regarding the first review of the movie?[[User:Ryantherebel|Ryantherebel]] 16:02, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
-I think the review said the twins are in there, is it a reliable source to put in the confirmed?? (how do I sign posts?)
:Regardless, the director of the film is a much more reliable source. And you sign your posts by typing "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". (You may wish to review the [[Help:Contents|Help pages]].)
::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]

== Foreign names ==
Serbian name for Dark of the Moon is: Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon, the only one with the "accurate" translation yet. Put it on the page in the Foreign names.[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 12:57, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:That's the translation, but what is it in actual Serbian?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:29, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:Transformers 3: Tama Meseca--[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 20:04, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

== Mirage ==
Should the whole mirage is not the ferrari be on this article? [[Special:Contributions/68.197.232.80|68.197.232.80]] 15:48, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

== Renaming Wheeljack and Mirage ==
now we know the names they will use the film, should we add some info of the change on theri pages or Rename their Pages?
:If by "know", you mean "the same guy we didn't believe when he said it the first time just kept saying it", sure. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::These sound like nicknames given to them by crew members who don't know the real names and don't really care. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Okay. but if the name changes turns out to be true Are you guys going to Consider them Seperate Characters Or you are Still Going to consider them the Same bots, depsite the Name change (like you guys did with Simmons Parents Pages)
::::See [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl, also known as Devastator]]. And we eventually merged the Simmonses. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:07, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::that means yes :P

== Barricade ==
[http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/dotm20barricade.jpg] Confirmation that he is in the film?
Hope so -[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 05:41, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:This time around, I'd say yes! - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:15 AM, 17 June 2011 A.D.
::Considering the reused character models which happened both last movie (Grindor, the new Buffalo MPV 'Con) and in this movie (Sideways), I really wouldn't jump the gun so quickly on this. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:53, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Ah, fair point. Yet those were instances of characters who had both died previously. Barricade has clearly been shown [[Alliance issue 1|to]] [[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|be]] [[The Veiled Threat|still]] [[Tales of the Fallen issue 1|alive]]. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 11:44, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm not saying it's 100% totally not him, I'm saying they've reused character models in the past, so don't jump the gun and let's wait and see. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:47, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Carly ==
Discussion moved to [[Talk:Carly Miller|Carly's talkpage]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:16, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

== Superfund Armored Truck ==

So we still don't know the identity of the Superfund Armored Truck, Michael Bay, you're doing a great job -_- --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 09:27, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

== Twins, Dino and Que ==
one guy in the tfw2005 site who saw the film says the twins appear for one Single scene in the film, the scene where they are seen in the trailer entering the NEST hangar, does this means they are TRULY in the film but for one scene link [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers.html#post6254202], Plus this guy confirmed WHeelajck and Dino are truly named Dino and Que[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers-3.html#post6254472] {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:At this point it's less than a day until the movie's out. There's not really much hurry to add new information when everyone will be able to see it, and the whole article will be restructured anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:34, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
:: Skids and Mudflap are in the film and should be listed as such. Bay only ever said that they don't PERFORM in the movie, which is true. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
McFeely coming down on the side of "Que" (god, I hate typing that) makes me question whether I'm the one who's wrong about "Q" being in the credits. Does anyone at all have my back on this independently? -[[User:LV|LV]] 10:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:Walky says he rewatched it and it's definitely "Que" in the credits. So against what I went on the rampage with earlier, these pages need to be changed back to the worst name in Transformers history. Sigh. (Yes, even worse than Rodimus Prime.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 08:39, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
::Oh lord... I'd been told it was "Q" in the credits, which is why I'd changed the latest additions... Eugh. I guess they didn't want to make the James Bond similarities ''too'' blatant, but still, eugh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:50, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Silverbolt ==

So...he's just simply out of the movie and no James Avery in the end? --[[User:Jolt17|Jolt17]] 11:01, 29 June 2011

:Seem so. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== It's Out ==

So when somebody takes a break from watching the best movie over and over again can you please add the info to it.

==Long Haul and Brawl in Dark of the Moon==
I haven't seen the movie yet but when the Super Bowl trailer was released Decepticons resembling Long Haul and Brawl were spotted, do they appear in the final film as I haven't seen it yet? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 12:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: Brawl was replaced by Long Haul, if I recall correctly. This is going by trailer footage, though. The tan Brawl wasn't in the later ones, with Long Haul replacing him in the wide shot so that it better matched who Prime was rampaging through in the closeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::On the subject of background 'Cons, I think I recall seeing one in Chicago with massive forearms that it walked on... Am I imagining things, and if not, was it a new model? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]

Here's what I'mma say on the subject of these generics.
*Brawl and Sideways - they're dead. Can't be them.
*Long Haul and Scrapper - Constructicons share body types. There are multiple iterations of each, and the DOTM appearance of these two should just be on the existing pages. Frankly, I've thought for a while the Constructicon pages could stand a bit of reworking to be about the body-types, rather than the individuals where applicable.
*Scalpel - he didn't die in ROTF. Sure, he died in the comic adaptation, but then, Barricade died in the TF1 adaptation, and Dino died instead of Que in the DOTM adaptation. So there's no saying with ''any'' certainty that Scalpel is dead, and one of those little guys could absolutely be him. He's turned up alive in Titan's post-ROTF fiction. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:About bodytypes vs individuals: I've said that same thing about Swindle, Longarm, Dreadwing and co. from the first movie for a while but it seems to go unnoticed... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:05, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==GI Joe/Transformers reference?==
So, I just got back from seeing it, and all I'm wondering: Sam's actions against Starscream, would they fall under the Transformers References section as references to Snake-Eyes own actions against Starscream in [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|GI Joe vs. the Transformers #5]]? Unlike a lot of other things people ask are references, this seems pretty blatant. [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 05:46, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:Psht, you're silly. (I really wish this was an intentional reference, but all things considered, I really doubt those who worked on the script and shooting have read that story. Could be a ref, but not confirmed.) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 18:26, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==Obscure Hard-To-See Decepticons==
I've heard around that throughout the movie, a number of Decepticons are shown with vehicle modes and all, not just drones. For example, there's a 'Con that turns into a military Stryker with a robot-mode that looks like the Cloverfield monster, a random polic car (not Barricade, all white) and one that turns into a garbage truck, but it's robot looks like Long Haul. Did anyone else catch these Cannonfodder/Deadguy Decepticons? If so, do you have any pictures?

== Silverbolt ==

Am I the only one who saw what might be Silverbolt lurking in the background when the Autobots are being exiled? --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 05:21, 3 July 2011 (EDT)
:In all likelihood, yes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:04, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Skids and Mudflap in the cast list? ==

I don't think the Twins belong in the cast list. They were deliberately dropped from the film, their one appearance basically an oversight. They effectively weren't there at all, in-story. That you can see them briefly should be noted, of course, but not in a "Main Cast" list. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I feel every named Autobot or Decepticon who appears should be in the cast list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:57, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
Then shouldn't all humans who appear should be in the cast of the page?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.73|120.28.64.73]] 21:48, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== The Wreckers a Star Trek refrence? ==
Do you think it sould be noted that the Wreckers being engineers with scottish accents is similiar to Scotty, the scottish engineer from the Starship Enterprise? May even be delibirate, considering the other amount of Star Trek refrences in this movie. --[[User:Captain-lelouch|Captain-lelouch]] 1:02, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Eight Autobots aboard the Xantium ==

Re: ''When the Autobots are boarding the Xantium, it's said that eight of them are leaving. Even assuming Wheelie and Brains don't count, that number is at least one too small. '' 
The line I heard was "Do you really think exiling nine Autobots is going to stop the Decepticons?". Or something along those lines. Either way, I clearly heard "nine." Where does "eight" come from? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 16:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I remember it as nine as well, which accounts for everyone other than Wheelie and Brains. (Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Dino, Q, and the three Wreckers). --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:15, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::They definitely said nine. --Walky not logged in
:::I must be remembering it wrong. Mea culpa. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Bonecrusher ==

I think I saw a Bonecrusher-type Decepticon during the film because the character has a "Mine-sweeping arm". Is there anyone who rewatch the film can confirm whether there is such a character or not? Thanks. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:55, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Error ==

[[Special:Contributions/180.191.75.154|180.191.75.154]] 05:59, 6 July 2011 (EDT)I believe that the error is Sentinel already speaking english just after his awakening.

Also, he is already disguised as the Rosenbauer fire truck on the Ark and before he is resurrected. [[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 03:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

:He is? I thought he appeared solely in robot mode in those scenes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:32, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah, I didn't mean that he appears as the firetruck, just that you can see all the truck kibble parts on his armor (front windshields are the most obvious)[[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 01:19, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:He may be in robot mode but he does have the kibble of his Earth Mode so I think that would count as an error. [[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 11:03, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
sooo...can we get back to my question in which Sentinel can already speak english?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 08:59, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:As a rule, "has altmode kibble before acquiring altmode" '''is''' something we comment on, but "can speak English with no explanation" is '''not''' (it happens in many, many, many places). [[User:JW|JW]] 10:07, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::I'm adding it as an error.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 18:35, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
== Note on top (leaks, set photos) ==

Now that the movie is out, this one can go, no? Set photos can now be used as evidence for deleted scenes etc.?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:50, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Screwed physics ==

Does Sam hanging on tho the rope in the boomstick stuck to Starscream, then Sam holding it with one hand then he goes up and down without dislocating his shoulder, count as an error?(The one where the boomstick is stuck in the eye and then Sam is hanging on to the rope while Starscream is flying up and down without sam dislocating his bones?)[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 09:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:Nah, he's an action hero. They do that kinda stuff all the time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Megatron/Galvatron ==

It seems like Megatron's "breakdown" in the film following the destruction of his master The Fallen after ROTF seems to mimic that of Galvatron G1: Season 3/Post-Movie after Unicron is destroyed, did anyone else notice this?
:No.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 05:29, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Optimus's closing narration/monologue confusion ==

Somebody quoted him as saying:

{{quote|In any war, there are calms between the storms. There will be days when we lose faith. Days when our allies turn against us... but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people. For I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to the universe: We are here. We are home.}}

However, in the 2D prints I've seen, the monologue (and indeed, the film) ends when he says "but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people." Is the second half of this quote from the 3D cut? An adaptation?? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:13, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:I can confirm the last part is in the 3D cut, since that's what I saw. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:03, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

::I just watched it in standard, and Prime's monolugue did indeed end at "never forsake this planet and its people."[[Special:Contributions/174.255.177.18|174.255.177.18]] 08:03, 10 July 2011 (EDT) (Sntint)

==Synopsis==

Ok, reading it, it needs SERIOUS work. Some clunky writing, and its not written entirely in on-screen order. I'm thinking of having a go, but there are much better writers here than me. Just sayin' [[User:Eire|Eire]] 20.56 July 09 (BST)
:[[Transformers (2007)]]'s summary isn't in on-screen order either... Pardon me for following an established example.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:36, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
::Clarity trumping chronology when summarizing interleaved action? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== TF movie 1 and DOTM Continuity error. ==

In Transformers 1, Megatron went to earth because he was chasing the Allspark, but in DOTM, he said he was supposed to meet with Sentinel Prime, so is that an error?[[Special:Contributions/180.191.113.87|180.191.113.87]] 09:35, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:[[Movie timeline]]. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:35, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Ravage sighting ==

I think I saw Ravage fighting on Cybertron at the beginning of the movie.
Can anybody else confirm this for me?1:43, 11 July 2011 John Prime

:Yes, there was a Ravage model in the opening sequence. It seems to me, though, that this was a giant Ravage, as he was killing little tiny robot people. If so, I think it's safe to say that wasn't actually Ravage, just a lookalike. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 17:23, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
: There were like 30 of him and he was a much larger, modified model. Probably not RAVAGE-Ravage, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Transformers references ==

:''Starscream yelling "My eye! My eye!" after Sam injured him with one of Que's inventions is reminiscent of his Generation 1 counterpart yelling "My foot!" after having it squeezed in 1986's The Transformers: The Movie.''

Does this really count as a reference? The only link between them is "My (bodyparts)". ''G1'' Starscream says "Ohhh, my foot!" while his ''Movie'' counterpart says "My eye! My eye!". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:55, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
: Yeah, I don't think this is a reference so much as it is likely for Starscream to whine about pain. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:59, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM Watch-bot==
I didn't want to remove this without permission but Watch-bot dosen't appear in the movie, it only appears in the Novel. Its just like Optimus and Megatron make peace in the Novel but don't in the Movie and Megatron is killed by him, so shouldn't the Watch-Bot be moved to the book cast and removed off the movie cast? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)DOTM123[[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:You must've forgot the Decepticon on Sam's wrist causing him to behave freakishly at Cape Kennedy. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:16, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:OOPS, sorry about that lol I remember now, is someone going to create the article for the character. [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:19, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

So there appears to be some debate over whether certain lines are missing from the 2D version or not.

Based on [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/432568-2d-version-missing-lines.html this] and [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80827 this] thread, I'm fairly confident that there is no "edited 2D version", Simmons ''does'' say the "I speak their language" bit in the 2D version, and Optimus Prime's closing narration ends with "its people" in the 3D version. Everything else is people misremembering, or applying dialogue from the novelization and the comic adaptation to the movie itself.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:26, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

== About Barricade's voice... ==

I don't think him having soundwave's voice is an error, I mean it is legal that two transformers can be voiced by one voice actor[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 00:52, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Legal"? What are you talking about? Frank Welker can be credited with as many voices he is cast in. The issue with Barricade was he was speaking in the exact same voice as Soundwave in a scene where Soundwave has several lines of dialogue. If they meant for Barricade to be the character dragging Que/Wheeljack away and talking, Welker would have been easily capable of performing in an entirely different voice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, how do we know Barry's even the one talking? In a scene with Soundwave delivering so many lines, a voice that sounded like Soundwave could very well have ''been'' Soundwave. Unless, of course, the credits listed Welker as Barricade (but I do not recall that). - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 18:41, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::: haha barry! But has it been confirmed that while Barricade was shoving some cons his mouth or jaw was moving?(Just a question)

Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

2011-07-10T01:48:24Z

120.28.64.73: /* Skids and Mudflap in the cast list? */

'''We do not care about leaks. Do not tell us who you saw on the set. Do not present us with images of stolen toys. Unless you can [[Help:Official info|source it in an official press release or reputable news source]], we do not care. Please stop telling us who you saw in set photography.'''

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== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::Are you sure it's the international title, or is it just the title in your area? Either way, it could be added somewhere in there I'm sure. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Scratch that, the new trailer calls the movie "El lado oscuro de la Luna" (Dark side of the moon), at least the movie looks awesome.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:23, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I thought we usually didn't do production sections though? What if it was placed in it's own section down at the bottom with the notes and trivia and such. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:20, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)
The term "Dark side of the moon" was a misnomer even before Transformers got hold of it. The dark side of the moon refers to the side of the moon that always faces away from Earth. But it gets just as much sunlight as the near side. It should rightly be called the FAR side of the moon.[[Special:Contributions/180.176.116.4|180.176.116.4]] 23:45, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::::Whatever. If the toy we've seen resembling it is the same character, it must have two modes: condor mode and dragon mode. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:35, 13 March 2011 (EST)

The same character (or an identical one) in the game is confirmed as Laserbeak. Is that sufficient enough to list him as a film character?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:58 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:Confirmed where? By whom? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:45, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
::Well, it WAS on the page for the DOTM game, but it isn't anymore, so I'm guessing that was incorrect.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 5:04 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:::I removed it from there as there was no source listed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:10, 27 March 2011 (EDT)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::(That was not Barricade, but Sideways. Well, *a* Sideways.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:You recognized Long Haul and Brawl? You mean like how [[Grindor (ROTF)|we recognized Blackout in ROTF?]] --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:04, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: Because of Hasbro's action figures, we knew that there was a Blackout lookalike named "Grindor" from the start. Until Hasbro reveals some alternate names for these guys, I think we can feel safe keeping them under the umbrella of their known names, like we did and do with ROTF's Constructicons. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:22, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: Long Haul and Brawl ''do'' have same-body-type buddies from the toyline--Payload and Tankor respectively. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:33, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:::: Yes, but all of the green Long Hauls are accounted for on Long Haul's page. This is just another green Long Haul, and we should treat it as such until we know differently. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:42, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== Crankcase, Ratchet, etc ==

Dudes, if we have a trailer and a Toy Fair, and we see vehicle modes that we know belong to movie characters, and we see those vehicle modes that belong to movie characters ''transform into the robot modes of said movie characters'' I really think we need to get beyond the "we pretend we don't know anything" schtick. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:59, 20 February 2011 (EST)
: Also, the whole "what if this is not the real Crankcase and the real Crankcase is elsewhere" is an argument that ''predicates'' on the idea that the "real" Crankcase is in the film. And if there IS no "real" Crankcase in the film, then this "generic" BECOMES the "real" Crankcase. Either way, he's in the damn film. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:07, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: FurtherFURTHERmore, the fact that the counterargument has gone from "it's just an SUV" to "it's just a robot" to "it's just a robot mode that looks like Crankcase's" as this goes on just feels like this is a counterargument based not on facts but on obstinate reluctance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:12, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: And to put a final nail in the coffin, there were several [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]s in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', but they were all accounted for on Long Haul's page as Long Haul. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: I think if this passes based on this argument, then everyone in charge of this site better remember this when others are putting up information using the same reasoning. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 15:23, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== New Chevy Beat/Spark 'Bots (?) ==

Nelson said that a Chevy Spark spotted on set was not Skids, but a ''new'' character.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:11, 25 February 2011 (EST)
:We'll get to it when '''''official information comes out'''''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:30, 25 February 2011 (EST)
::So, Nelson isn't a trustable source?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:19, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::There's literally not enough information to do anything with. What do you want, a page for ''Unnamed Chevy Spark character who might just be one of the Twins, we aren't sure yet''? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:46, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Those Sparks were seen in trailer, but I still don't believe non-appearance of the Twins being misinformation. Characters were said to be cut off from the film, but the vehicles not. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 9:24, 2 May 2011 (EST)
:::::If their vehicles appear, the characters are in the film. Please don't revert again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:31, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::CAJH, considering how much Bay lied about Megatron not coming back in ROTF, and his (and Nelson's) claims about the Twins not coming back in DOTM (despite all evidence to the contrary), we're better off including them based upon what we can actually see rather than they tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

== Is Mirage really in DOTM??? ==

I saw that Mirage was added to the cast list (as of 11:09 pm EST on April 8th, 2011). Besides the Speed Star toy of Mirage, is there any actual evidence that the red Ferrari in DOTM is Mirage? I think the addition is a bit premature (I was about to undo the addition, but I thought I would play it safe). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:13, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:We're not exactly sure yet, so leaving him off for now is probably for the best. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:28, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

==Brains==

Some believe that Brains might become the Einstein-Mercedes-bot, but I don't think so. Bay confirmed Brains being small in film too. What would you think that Einstein-bot be, if he's not Brains? --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:More than likely just an early head design for Wheeljack. But we'll know for sure when the movie's out or more promotional renders are revealed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:00, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Brains is in the "Rising Storm" comic prequel. He's a tiny hatchling guy that Bumblebee and Sam escort. Wheeljack is a separate dude who looks like Wheeljack. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::And if Wheeljack ever is that Mercedes-bot, it's very understandable that he would be different in film. Shockwave and Sentinel were too different in comic adaptations. And do not forget Mirage, though it's not officially confirmed, if he is the Ferrari-bot or not. And Brains we'll see in film looks definitely different than Brains we saw in comics.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:28, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

== Darkside Moon ==

I am a fan of these two titles because they have that "crazy" factor to them. That said...

I notice there's exactly one dot in those there katakana. I don't suppose it's actually "Darkside Moon", eh? You see "Darkside" here and there, really. [[Special:Contributions/174.111.86.22|174.111.86.22]] 09:53, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe. could be. Anyone else think it should be changed to "Darkside Moon" as opposed to the "Dark Side Moon" title that I originally wrote? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Trailer ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-trailer-172021/ It also seems that Simmons lost a leg, and there are many Crankcases--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:46, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
:I think he broke his leg, but anyway people can see the video for themselves so we don't need to mention stuff in it here. If you want to discuss the content of the video, you should take it to a forum. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:48, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Washington Post thing ==

That video is from 2010. Why did you date it April 30, 2011? Also, it's probably too plot point spoilery for us to use. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:36, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Avon sweepstakes ==

Looks like Avon's having a contest to meet Patrick Dempsey at the premier of DotM. Link [http://www.avon.com/PatrickDempsey here]. Worth mentioning on the page? (Started last week if you want to add this to the timeline) -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 09:13, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
:I personally don't think it should be added to the ''film'' article of the DOTM franchise, but this is unique in that Avon is having this contest without (as far as I know) having any merchandise tie-ins. Perhaps it could be noted on the main DOTM franchise article page as well as on the Patrick Demsey article. Either way, this is note-worthy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:28, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hatchet is he,in the film? ==

Is it just me or should we add him because somebody add the "more info will pop up in July,1,2011" box-thing,just sayin' - [[User:Dinodigger97|Dinodigger97]],May-4-2011
:If you mean Ratchet, he is already in the cast list. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:33, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, there's a new Decepticon named [[Hatchet]], so I think that's who he meant. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:::D'oh! Sorry, hard to keep up with all these new dudes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::::To answer your question Dinodigger97, no, we don't know. I'm not sure why Hatchet's article has a fiction section already, as there has been no indication that he is in the movie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:34, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Amazon comic spoilers ==

Could we please not get all excited about the spoiled comic adaptation pages on Amazon and rush off to the wiki? I think CAJH even cited Alientraveller's edits with a flickr account (with, I presume, pages of the comic). I wasn't about to spoil myself to look, so I just reverted everything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:33, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:For that matter, the comic adaptations of the movie are usually done from earlier versions of the script, and aren't guaranteed to reflect the movie itself. If we ''must'' document every little nugget, those spoilers would more properly go on the comic adaptation's page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:42, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry guys, I concur as Amazon.com has apparently removed those pages (and TFW followed suit). Just a shame I still can't find a source to confirm the name of Shockwave's pet, or Dempsey's character for this page. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:45, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::... did you just mention a spoiler? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:22, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Maybe the comic adaptation has little differences with the film. But some elements like rest of the characters can't be different. But ok then. Let's wait at least until the release date. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:43, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Why couldn't the characters be different? Characters might appear in fight scenes in the comic with names and personalities yet be represented in the film only by an indistinguishable mass of duplicates of someone else. Thus, the [[Dread (subgroup)|Dreads]] in the movie might all be [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] doppelgangers but [[Hatchet]] might appear in the comic. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:57, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Anyway, my main point for the revert was that the pages of the comics were apparently chock full of spoilers that were not supposed to be revealed yet (hence sites like TFW having to remove their news post). And even if Hasbro/Bay/Paramount didn't care (except they do), the wiki has a policy of avoiding overt spoilers for fiction until the release date. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:12, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Dreads ==

Not trying to start a discussion with anybody, just pointing out: We already saw that there's a Black Dodge Charger, who's NOT Barricade, also we've seen that Hatchet is a Dread, and he has three other chances of appearing --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 14:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
:What? Seen what? Why are you pointing this out here? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:34, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::If you have something against this post, I have no problem in erasing it --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 18:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just wondering... ==

The 2007 TF film article used quotes from the 1986 movie, should I replace those with one of the prequels of Star Wars. (or, to be more specific, Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: Do not alter the captions on the 2007 film article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:29, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe other stuff from Ep 4. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:30, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

At Walky: OK, I ''will'' [Not alter the quotes].

But still, quite stupid to quote the 1986 movie. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:34, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: I've got an idea. Call our efforts stupid one more time and you can have a quite stupid ban. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== June 28 release? ==

I followed the link given for the release date, and that dateline site says it's coming out June 2'''9''', not 28. Is there something somewhere that suggests it's coming out on Tuesday instead? [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 18:02, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Capone's AICN Review ==
Any thoughts regarding the first review of the movie?[[User:Ryantherebel|Ryantherebel]] 16:02, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
-I think the review said the twins are in there, is it a reliable source to put in the confirmed?? (how do I sign posts?)
:Regardless, the director of the film is a much more reliable source. And you sign your posts by typing "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". (You may wish to review the [[Help:Contents|Help pages]].)
::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]

== Foreign names ==
Serbian name for Dark of the Moon is: Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon, the only one with the "accurate" translation yet. Put it on the page in the Foreign names.[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 12:57, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:That's the translation, but what is it in actual Serbian?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:29, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:Transformers 3: Tama Meseca--[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 20:04, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

== Mirage ==
Should the whole mirage is not the ferrari be on this article? [[Special:Contributions/68.197.232.80|68.197.232.80]] 15:48, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

== Renaming Wheeljack and Mirage ==
now we know the names they will use the film, should we add some info of the change on theri pages or Rename their Pages?
:If by "know", you mean "the same guy we didn't believe when he said it the first time just kept saying it", sure. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::These sound like nicknames given to them by crew members who don't know the real names and don't really care. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Okay. but if the name changes turns out to be true Are you guys going to Consider them Seperate Characters Or you are Still Going to consider them the Same bots, depsite the Name change (like you guys did with Simmons Parents Pages)
::::See [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl, also known as Devastator]]. And we eventually merged the Simmonses. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:07, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::that means yes :P

== Barricade ==
[http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/dotm20barricade.jpg] Confirmation that he is in the film?
Hope so -[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 05:41, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:This time around, I'd say yes! - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:15 AM, 17 June 2011 A.D.
::Considering the reused character models which happened both last movie (Grindor, the new Buffalo MPV 'Con) and in this movie (Sideways), I really wouldn't jump the gun so quickly on this. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:53, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Ah, fair point. Yet those were instances of characters who had both died previously. Barricade has clearly been shown [[Alliance issue 1|to]] [[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|be]] [[The Veiled Threat|still]] [[Tales of the Fallen issue 1|alive]]. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 11:44, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm not saying it's 100% totally not him, I'm saying they've reused character models in the past, so don't jump the gun and let's wait and see. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:47, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Carly ==
Discussion moved to [[Talk:Carly Miller|Carly's talkpage]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:16, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

== Superfund Armored Truck ==

So we still don't know the identity of the Superfund Armored Truck, Michael Bay, you're doing a great job -_- --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 09:27, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

== Twins, Dino and Que ==
one guy in the tfw2005 site who saw the film says the twins appear for one Single scene in the film, the scene where they are seen in the trailer entering the NEST hangar, does this means they are TRULY in the film but for one scene link [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers.html#post6254202], Plus this guy confirmed WHeelajck and Dino are truly named Dino and Que[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers-3.html#post6254472] {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:At this point it's less than a day until the movie's out. There's not really much hurry to add new information when everyone will be able to see it, and the whole article will be restructured anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:34, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
:: Skids and Mudflap are in the film and should be listed as such. Bay only ever said that they don't PERFORM in the movie, which is true. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
McFeely coming down on the side of "Que" (god, I hate typing that) makes me question whether I'm the one who's wrong about "Q" being in the credits. Does anyone at all have my back on this independently? -[[User:LV|LV]] 10:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:Walky says he rewatched it and it's definitely "Que" in the credits. So against what I went on the rampage with earlier, these pages need to be changed back to the worst name in Transformers history. Sigh. (Yes, even worse than Rodimus Prime.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 08:39, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
::Oh lord... I'd been told it was "Q" in the credits, which is why I'd changed the latest additions... Eugh. I guess they didn't want to make the James Bond similarities ''too'' blatant, but still, eugh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:50, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Silverbolt ==

So...he's just simply out of the movie and no James Avery in the end? --[[User:Jolt17|Jolt17]] 11:01, 29 June 2011

:Seem so. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== It's Out ==

So when somebody takes a break from watching the best movie over and over again can you please add the info to it.

==Long Haul and Brawl in Dark of the Moon==
I haven't seen the movie yet but when the Super Bowl trailer was released Decepticons resembling Long Haul and Brawl were spotted, do they appear in the final film as I haven't seen it yet? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 12:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: Brawl was replaced by Long Haul, if I recall correctly. This is going by trailer footage, though. The tan Brawl wasn't in the later ones, with Long Haul replacing him in the wide shot so that it better matched who Prime was rampaging through in the closeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::On the subject of background 'Cons, I think I recall seeing one in Chicago with massive forearms that it walked on... Am I imagining things, and if not, was it a new model? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]

Here's what I'mma say on the subject of these generics.
*Brawl and Sideways - they're dead. Can't be them.
*Long Haul and Scrapper - Constructicons share body types. There are multiple iterations of each, and the DOTM appearance of these two should just be on the existing pages. Frankly, I've thought for a while the Constructicon pages could stand a bit of reworking to be about the body-types, rather than the individuals where applicable.
*Scalpel - he didn't die in ROTF. Sure, he died in the comic adaptation, but then, Barricade died in the TF1 adaptation, and Dino died instead of Que in the DOTM adaptation. So there's no saying with ''any'' certainty that Scalpel is dead, and one of those little guys could absolutely be him. He's turned up alive in Titan's post-ROTF fiction. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:About bodytypes vs individuals: I've said that same thing about Swindle, Longarm, Dreadwing and co. from the first movie for a while but it seems to go unnoticed... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:05, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==GI Joe/Transformers reference?==
So, I just got back from seeing it, and all I'm wondering: Sam's actions against Starscream, would they fall under the Transformers References section as references to Snake-Eyes own actions against Starscream in [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|GI Joe vs. the Transformers #5]]? Unlike a lot of other things people ask are references, this seems pretty blatant. [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 05:46, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:Psht, you're silly. (I really wish this was an intentional reference, but all things considered, I really doubt those who worked on the script and shooting have read that story. Could be a ref, but not confirmed.) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 18:26, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==Obscure Hard-To-See Decepticons==
I've heard around that throughout the movie, a number of Decepticons are shown with vehicle modes and all, not just drones. For example, there's a 'Con that turns into a military Stryker with a robot-mode that looks like the Cloverfield monster, a random polic car (not Barricade, all white) and one that turns into a garbage truck, but it's robot looks like Long Haul. Did anyone else catch these Cannonfodder/Deadguy Decepticons? If so, do you have any pictures?

== Silverbolt ==

Am I the only one who saw what might be Silverbolt lurking in the background when the Autobots are being exiled? --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 05:21, 3 July 2011 (EDT)
:In all likelihood, yes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:04, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Skids and Mudflap in the cast list? ==

I don't think the Twins belong in the cast list. They were deliberately dropped from the film, their one appearance basically an oversight. They effectively weren't there at all, in-story. That you can see them briefly should be noted, of course, but not in a "Main Cast" list. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I feel every named Autobot or Decepticon who appears should be in the cast list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:57, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
Then shouldn't all humans who appear should be in the cast of the page?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.73|120.28.64.73]] 21:48, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== The Wreckers a Star Trek refrence? ==
Do you think it sould be noted that the Wreckers being engineers with scottish accents is similiar to Scotty, the scottish engineer from the Starship Enterprise? May even be delibirate, considering the other amount of Star Trek refrences in this movie. --[[User:Captain-lelouch|Captain-lelouch]] 1:02, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Eight Autobots aboard the Xantium ==

Re: ''When the Autobots are boarding the Xantium, it's said that eight of them are leaving. Even assuming Wheelie and Brains don't count, that number is at least one too small. '' 
The line I heard was "Do you really think exiling nine Autobots is going to stop the Decepticons?". Or something along those lines. Either way, I clearly heard "nine." Where does "eight" come from? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 16:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I remember it as nine as well, which accounts for everyone other than Wheelie and Brains. (Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Dino, Q, and the three Wreckers). --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:15, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::They definitely said nine. --Walky not logged in
:::I must be remembering it wrong. Mea culpa. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Bonecrusher ==

I think I saw a Bonecrusher-type Decepticon during the film because the character has a "Mine-sweeping arm". Is there anyone who rewatch the film can confirm whether there is such a character or not? Thanks. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:55, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Error ==

[[Special:Contributions/180.191.75.154|180.191.75.154]] 05:59, 6 July 2011 (EDT)I believe that the error is Sentinel already speaking english just after his awakening.

Also, he is already disguised as the Rosenbauer fire truck on the Ark and before he is resurrected. [[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 03:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

:He is? I thought he appeared solely in robot mode in those scenes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:32, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah, I didn't mean that he appears as the firetruck, just that you can see all the truck kibble parts on his armor (front windshields are the most obvious)[[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 01:19, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:He may be in robot mode but he does have the kibble of his Earth Mode so I think that would count as an error. [[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 11:03, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
sooo...can we get back to my question in which Sentinel can already speak english?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 08:59, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:As a rule, "has altmode kibble before acquiring altmode" '''is''' something we comment on, but "can speak English with no explanation" is '''not''' (it happens in many, many, many places). [[User:JW|JW]] 10:07, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::I'm adding it as an error.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 18:35, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
== Note on top (leaks, set photos) ==

Now that the movie is out, this one can go, no? Set photos can now be used as evidence for deleted scenes etc.?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:50, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Screwed physics ==

Does Sam hanging on tho the rope in the boomstick stuck to Starscream, then Sam holding it with one hand then he goes up and down without dislocating his shoulder, count as an error?(The one where the boomstick is stuck in the eye and then Sam is hanging on to the rope while Starscream is flying up and down without sam dislocating his bones?)[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 09:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:Nah, he's an action hero. They do that kinda stuff all the time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Megatron/Galvatron ==

It seems like Megatron's "breakdown" in the film following the destruction of his master The Fallen after ROTF seems to mimic that of Galvatron G1: Season 3/Post-Movie after Unicron is destroyed, did anyone else notice this?
:No.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 05:29, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Optimus's closing narration/monologue confusion ==

Somebody quoted him as saying:

{{quote|In any war, there are calms between the storms. There will be days when we lose faith. Days when our allies turn against us... but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people. For I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to the universe: We are here. We are home.}}

However, in the 2D prints I've seen, the monologue (and indeed, the film) ends when he says "but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people." Is the second half of this quote from the 3D cut? An adaptation?? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:13, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:I can confirm the last part is in the 3D cut, since that's what I saw. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:03, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

==Synopsis==

Ok, reading it, it needs SERIOUS work. Some clunky writing, and its not written entirely in on-screen order. I'm thinking of having a go, but there are much better writers here than me. Just sayin' [[User:Eire|Eire]] 20.56 July 09 (BST)
:[[Transformers (2007)]]'s summary isn't in on-screen order either... Pardon me for following an established example.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:36, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
::Clarity trumping chronology when summarizing interleaved action? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Frank Welker

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[[Image:FrankWelker1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|So good, it's scary.]]
'''Frank W. Welker''' (born [[March 12]], [[1946]]) is an American voice actor. Though it is but the tip of the iceberg, some of Welker's most notable roles include Fred (and later Scooby) from ''Scooby Doo'', Ray and Slimer from ''[[Susan Hoffman#Related characters|The Real Ghostbusters]]'', Santa's Little Helper from ''The Simpsons'', Nibbler from ''[[Futurama]]'', Dr. Claw from ''Inspector Gadget'' and that parrot that got eaten by the shark in ''Deep Blue Sea''. He has also done nearly all the animal sounds recorded for cartoons in North America in the last few decades. Though he has given voice to numerous Transformers, he is particularly remembered for his portrayal of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]].

Basically, if you haven't seen a cartoon with him in it then that's because you've never seen a cartoon in your entire life. Unless it was one of those public domain 1930s cartoons which sell for a buck at Family Dollar, of course.

{{Bigquote|Frank would do something ridiculous and then go, "Well, it was either this or college."|[[Gregg Berger]]}}

==Generation 1==
===''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]''===
{{collist|3|
* [[Blades (G1)|Blades]]
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]
* [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]
* [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] (commercial and post-[[The Transformers: The Movie|movie]])
* [[Groove (G1)|Groove]]
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (1989-1990 toy commercials only)
* [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]]
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]
* [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]]
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
* [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]]
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]
* [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]]
* [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] ("[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]" only)
* [[Sweep]]
* [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]
* [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]
}}

===Humans===
* [[Frankenstein]]
* [[Hector Ramirez (G1)|Hector Ramirez]]
* [[Poplock]]

===Aliens===
{{collist|3|
* [[Delta Pavonis IV|Cat-people]]
* [[Niko Don]]
* [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]]
}}

===Creatures===
{{collist|3|
* [[Booper]]
* [[Brutalo]]
* [[Dweller|The Dweller]]
* [[Nitro]]
* [[Groyle]]
}}

===Other===
* [[Auto-combatant]]
* [[Teletraan II]]

Yeah, we're impressed, too.

==Movie franchise==
===''[[Transformers: Beginnings]]''===
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]

===[[Transformers The Game (console)|''Transformers:'' The Game]]===
* Megatron

===''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''===
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]
* [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)| Grindor]]
* [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
* [[Reedman]]

===[[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|''Revenge of the Fallen'': The Game]]===
*Megatron

===''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''===
*[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]

==Aligned==
===''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]''===
* [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] <ref name="botcon2010hasbro">[http://mobile.coveritlive.com/mobile.php/option=com_mobile/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=ec64a5dd5f/start=2 BotCon 2010 Hasbro panel]</ref>

==Notes==
*[http://www.bwtf.com/bw/tvshow/episodes/seasontwo/agenda2/ According to Ben Yee], [[Bob Forward]] desperately wanted Frank Welker to reprise the role of Generation 1 Megatron for the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] episode "[[The Agenda (Part 2)]]" and even offered to go to Welker's home in California and tape-record his lines there. However, Welker declined the role supposedly because Forward was unable to offer him a sufficient amount of money and his schedule was too busy.

*Frank Welker regularly reprises the roles of Megatron and Soundwave on ''[[Wikipedia:Family Guy|Family Guy]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Robot Chicken|Robot Chicken]]''.

*Throughout the '90s, Frank Welker was the official voice of [[Steven Spielberg]] in all his animated appearances in shows like ''Tiny Toon Adventures'', ''Animaniacs'', ''Pinky and the Brain'' and ''Freakazoid!'' (the only exception being the ''Tiny Toon Adventures'' episode "Buster and Babs Go Hawaiian", in which Spielberg played himself in his first appearance on the show).

*His awesome skills are noted by peers and fans alike. On a ''Futurama'' DVD commentary, Billy West referred to Welker as "a voice-acting god", an appellation that has stuck in various fan communities. On a ''Gargoyles'' DVD commentary, it was claimed that there was an industry joke of "Did you see a cartoon? Frank was in it". And on the R2 ''Dungeons and Dragons'' DVDs, a fan commentary started to identify who in a single scene was voiced by Frank, ending with "and if those horses could talk, that'd be Frank too".

*Welker also provided the voice of the [[GoBots (franchise)|GoBot]] [[Scooter (GoBots)|Scooter]], Rest-Q, Zeemon and Blaster, and Rock Lords Pulver-Eyes, Sticks and the [[Narliphant]]s on the ''[[GoBots (franchise)|Challenge Of The GoBots]]'' animated series and movie.

*Because of the sheer ''number'' of films he's been in, he's listed as number one in the "All Time 100 Stars at the Box Office" list, in terms of total revenue from his films.<ref name="records">[http://www.the-numbers.com/people/records/ "All Time 100 Stars at the Box Office" list]</ref>

*Welker had originally auditioned for the role of [[Megatron (Movie)| Megatron]] in the 2007 movie. However, [[Michael Bay]] deemed his voice too light for the character and chose [[Hugo Weaving]] instead. As a bit of compensation, he ''did'' get to go alongside his pal [[Peter Cullen]] in the video games.

*For ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'', Welker voiced [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] not only in the English version, but also in a large number of foreign dubs, including the Italian and French versions. Welker described the process as "very hard".<ref name="welkernewsarama">[http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090915-Animated-Shorts-Welker.html Newsarama interview with Frank Welker], September 2009.</ref> Although Welker is also credited in the German dub of the movie, German dubbing insiders insist that the voice heard in the actual movie has been provided by someone else ([[Horst Lampe]], who also dubbed ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]), presumably as a last-minute decision because Welker's "German" performance was considered sub-standard.<ref name="germandub">[http://215072.homepagemodules.de/t511643f11775323-Transformers-Die-Rache-Transformers-Revenge-of-the-Fallen-7.html German dubbing board thread about ROTF, with a discussion about Soundwave's voice]</ref>

==External Links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0919798/ Frank Welker at the Internet Movie Database]
*[http://www.mkbmemorial.com/FWHp/ The Frank Welker Homepage]
*[http://www.voicechasers.com/database/showactor.php?actorid=1059/Frank Welker's other works]

==Footnotes==
<references/>

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Barrage cannon

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[[Image:ROTF Prime guns.jpg|thumb|250px|The Cannons up close.]]
When he's not shooting through [[Decepticon]] body armor with his [[Ion blaster]] or slicing off heads with his [[Dual Energon Swords|battle blade]]s, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] will use his '''barrage cannon''' against his opponents. With a range of up to sixty miles, the laser-sighted barrage cannon fires plutonium tipped warheads at a rate of 6 warheads per second, with each warhead carrying the equivalent of 3,000 lbs of TNT.<ref>[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]</ref>

Remember that, people: Optimus Prime is carrying <strike>nukuler</strike> nuclear weapons to keep humanity safe from the Decepticons.

== Fiction ==
=== ''Revenge of the Fallen'' film ===
After [[Sam Witwicky]] was captured by the Decepticons, Optimus Prime and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] arrived at the abandoned warehouse and fought with the Decepticons. While Bumblebee rescued Sam, [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] and [[Leo Spitz|Leo]], Optimus Prime battled against [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] using his barrage cannons. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

== Games ==
=== ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Game ===
[[Image:ROTF_game_Optimus_Prime.jpg|thumb|300px|right|The taco did not go so well.]]
==== Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC ====
'''Autobot Campaign'''

As primary weapon, Optimus Prime possessed the barrage cannons. His secondary weapon was a modified version of the same cannons. {{Storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

'''Decepticon Campaign'''

Optimus Prime used both versions of the barrage cannon against an opponent in the climactic battle. {{Storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

== Toys ==
=== Transformers (2007) ===
[[Image:Movie Voyager OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|A much larger version of the cannons]]
==== Voyager Class toys ====
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2007)
*'''Robo-Vision Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2007)
*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (Argos exclusive two-pack, UK 2007)
*'''Battle damage three-pack''' (Sam's Club exclusive three-pack, 2007)
*'''First Strike Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2008)
*'''Freeway Brawl Optimus Prime (Two-Pack)''' ("Screen Battles" Voyager, 2008)
:Despite being introduced in Revenge of the Fallen, all versions of this mold already carried two cannons, which resembled barrage cannons.

[[Image:ROTF Voyager OptimusPrime toy.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Rusty redeco of the guns.]]
=== Revenge of the Fallen ===
==== Voyager Class toys====
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2009)
*'''Defender Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2010)
*'''Jet Power Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, Canceled)
:As redecos of the 2007 molds, these versions also carried the barrage cannons.

=== Transformers (2010) ===
[[Image:TF2010 ROTF Voy BattleBladesOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|right|250px|A smaller and possibly show accurate version of the cannons.]]
==== Voyager Class toys ====
*'''Battle Blades Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2010)
:This new mold of Voyager Class carried a totally new, more [[show-accuracy|movie accurate]] version of the barrage cannons.

== Notes ==
* At the firing rate of 6 shots per second, range of 60 miles and 1.36 tons of TNT per shell, '''Prime doesn't need any other weapons'''.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Cannons]]

Sarah Lennox

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:''Sarah Lennox is a [[human]] from the [[live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Movie Sarah Lennox.jpg|thumb|right|350px|One of the nicest moms on the big screen.]]
'''Sarah Lennox''' is the wife of [[William Lennox]] and the mother of his newly born daughter [[Annabelle Lennox|Annabelle]]. And she is very consumed with the fact that "Ladies do not pass gas".

==Fiction==
===Transformers (2007) movie===
:''Actor:'' [[Samantha Smith]]

After returning from a mission behind enemy lines, Captain Lennox talked to his wife via video. He was able to look at his new born daughter, to which Sarah replied that she had Will's laugh. When he inquired if it wasn't just gas, Sarah replied that their daughter was a lady. Unfortunately, the call was interrupted due to [[Blackout (Movie)|mysterious interference]]. Lennox was just barely able to tell Sarah he loved her and that he would be home soon.

Later that evening, however, Sarah was watching television, where Defense Secretary [[John Keller]] said that [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] was attacked by [[Decepticon|unknown hostiles]], and that there were no confirmed survivors. Though fearing the worst, Sarah assured her daughter that her daddy was okay.

After the Battle of [[Mission City]], Lennox was given a ride home by [[Ironhide (Movie)|some truck]], and reunited with Sarah and their daughter. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|''Transformers''}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen''===

In [[Egypt]] searching for the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and on the run from authorities around the world, [[Sam Witwicky]] needed to get a message to both Lennox and [[Robert Epps|Raymond Epps]], but knew that calling them directly would give himself away, so he decided to contact his friends at [[NEST]] indirectly.

Sarah was relaxing at home by the pool when Sam called up asking for help in contacting her husband and Epps. Sarah told Epps' wife [[Monique Epps|Monique]] who in turn called her husband on an insecure line. While she made the call appear to be ordinary husband and wife chit-chat, Monique was able to get the true message through: Sam wanted NEST to deliver [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] to Egypt. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)}} {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3}}

{{note|This event did not occur in [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|the movie itself]], where [[Seymour Simmons]] made the call directly instead.}}

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