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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=3H_Productions&amp;diff=17844</id>
		<title>3H Productions</title>
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		<updated>2007-02-06T22:52:30Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;128.146.250.93: Not 1994.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;3H Productions&#039;&#039;&#039; (originally &#039;&#039;&#039;3H Enterprises&#039;&#039;&#039;) held [[BotCon]] from 1997 to 2002.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At BotCon 2002, it was announced that 3H had secured the official Transformers convention license, as well as licenses to produce comic books and start a fan club. However, the Hartmans left the organization, leaving [[Glen Hallit]] as the sole organizer.  Since the Hartmans owned the BotCon name, 3H&#039;s 2003 and 2004 conventions were called &amp;quot;[[The Official Transformers Collectors Convention]],&amp;quot; or OTFCC for short.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At the end of 2004, 3H lost all its Transformer licenses.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Published fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
3H has produced a number of stories, primarily available at BotCon.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Critical Mass]] - comic&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Reaching the Omega Point]]&lt;br /&gt;
:* [[Visitations]] - script presentation&lt;br /&gt;
:* [[Apelinq&#039;s War Journals]] - text story&lt;br /&gt;
:* [[Herald, Covenant, Schism, Paradox]] - text story&lt;br /&gt;
:* [[Terminus]] - comic&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Universe (comic)|The Wreckers]] - comic series&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Universe (comic)|Universe]] - comic series&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>File:Firestar-elitaonecomic.jpg</title>
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		<updated>2006-03-30T18:36:38Z</updated>

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&lt;div&gt;Firestar, from the comic included with MC Axis&#039; Elita-1 model kit (art by Hidetsugu Yoshioka)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Landquake (Energon)</title>
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		<updated>2006-03-30T17:53:04Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;128.146.250.93: Fixed some spelling and grammar while I was at it (LV)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Template:Disambig2|the Energon-series Autobot|the Cybertron-series Decepticon|Landquake (UT) (Decepticon)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LandquakeBrute.jpg|thumb|right|You brute you brute you brute you bruuuute! *sobs*]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Landquake is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Energon]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Landquake&#039;&#039;&#039; is almost the dictionary definition of the phrase &amp;quot;gentle giant&amp;quot;.  Relatively uninterested in combat, unlike his brother, [[Landmine (UT)|Landmine]], Landquake prefers to use his massive strength and endurance to help the [[Omnicon]]s dig for [[Energon]].  However, if the [[Decepticon]]s bring the fight to him, Landquake is more than willing to teach them a lesson.  He may be emotional and sensitive, but he knows how to handle unruly opponents.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Dreamwave Comic Continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Landquake-ComicHead.jpg|thumb|left|Any clues where this noggin came from?]]&lt;br /&gt;
When [[Alpha-Quintesson]] sent hordes of [[Terrorcon_(UT)|Terrorcon]] drones to ravage Earth, Landquake was part of the team sent to [[Los Angeles]], California to tackle the [[Insecticon_(UT)|Insecticon]] clone army there, under the command of [[Jetfire (UT)|Jetfire]]. He mainly used his armored vehicle mode to run down swarms of the creatures on the ground. The others in his squad were [[Bulkhead_(UT)|Bulkhead]], [[Cliffjumper (UT) (Autobot)|Cliffjumper]], [[Perceptor (UT)|Perceptor]], and [[Tow-Line (UT)|Tow-Line]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(It is worth noting that Landquake&#039;s head changes back and forth across his appearances. He is first seen in issue #27, with a new head design not based on the toy. However, on the next page, his head is that of the toy. The next time he is shown in robot mode, issue #29, he has the &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; head again.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon Cartoon Continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
Landquake himself did not appear in the Energon cartoon. However, his coloration was used to represent the &amp;quot;[[Energon_upgrade|Energon]]&amp;quot; upgrade of Landmine, even though the Landquake toy was not released in Japan.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[redeco]] of the Energon Landmine toy in white, brown, and blue, Landquake transforms into a half-track tow-truck type vehicle. The cab portion of the vehicle mode is the main robot, while the back end can either form an artillery platform or combine with Landquake in his &amp;quot;brute mode&amp;quot;, giving him massive claws and a heavy artillery backpack.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The artillery pack/station features a spring-loaded missile launcher, a working retractable winch-hook, and electronic sound effects.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/Landquake/landquake.htm Landquake at TFU.info]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Energon]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Siblings]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Landquake_(Energon)&amp;diff=31291</id>
		<title>Landquake (Energon)</title>
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		<updated>2006-03-30T17:51:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;128.146.250.93: Changed &amp;quot;&amp;#039;Powerlinx&amp;#039; upgrade&amp;quot; to &amp;quot;&amp;#039;Energon&amp;#039; upgrade&amp;quot; (LV)&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Template:Disambig2|the Energon-series Autobot|the Cybertron-series Decepticon|Landquake (UT) (Decepticon)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LandquakeBrute.jpg|thumb|right|You brute you brute you brute you bruuuute! *sobs*]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Landquake is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Energon]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Landquake&#039;&#039;&#039; is almost the dictionary definition of the phrase &amp;quot;gentle giant&amp;quot;.  Relatively uninterested in combat, unlike his brother, [[Landmine (UT)|Landmine]], Landquake prefers to use his massive strength and endurance to help the [[Omnicon]]s dig for [[Energon]].  However, if the [[Decepticon]]s bring the fight to him, Landquake is more than willing to teach them a lesson.  He may be emotional and sensitive, but he knows how to handle unruly opponents.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Dreamwave Comic Continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Landquake-ComicHead.jpg|thumb|left|Any clues where this noggin came from?]]&lt;br /&gt;
When [[Alpha-Quintesson]] sent hordes of [[Terrorcon_(UT)|Terrorcon]] drones to ravage Earth, Landquake was part of the team sent to [[Los Angeles]], California to tackle the [[Insecticon_(UT)|Insecticon]] clone army there, under the command of [[Jetfire (UT)|Jetfire]]. He mainly used his armored vehcile mode to run down swarms of the creatures on the ground. The others in his squad were [[Bulkhead_(UT)|Bulkhead]], [[Cliffjumper (UT) (Autobot)|Cliffjumper]], [[Perceptor (UT)|Perceptor]], and [[Tow-Line (UT)|Tow-Line]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;(It is worth noting that Landquake&#039;s head changes back and forth across his appearances. He is first seen in issue #27, with a new head design not based on the toy. However, on the next page, his head is that of the toy. The next time he is shown in robot mode, issue #29, he has the &amp;quot;new&amp;quot; head again.)&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon Cartoon Continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
Landquake himself did not appear in the Energon cartoon. However, his coloration was used to represent the &amp;quot;[[Energon_upgrade|Energon]]&amp;quot; upgrade of Landmine, even though the Landquake toy was not released in Japan.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
A [[redeco]] of the Energon Landmine toy in white, brown, and blue, Landquake transforms into a half-track tow-truck type vehicle. The cab portion of the vehicle mode is the main robot, while the back end can form either an atrillery platform or combine with Landquake in his &amp;quot;brute mode&amp;quot;, giving him massive claws and a heavy artillery backpack.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The artillery pack/station features a spring-loaded missile launcher, a working retractable winch-hook, and electronic sound effects.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/Landquake/landquake.htm Landquake at TFU.info]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Covenant_(group)&amp;diff=31453</id>
		<title>Talk:Covenant (group)</title>
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		<updated>2006-03-30T17:49:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;128.146.250.93: Identified myself&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Virgol and the unidentified female from the Final Four have &amp;quot;skirts&amp;quot;; Libras and the purple mystery from 07.jpg do not. Consequently, since the Final Four Female is red and thus probably Cancix, I suspect that the purple female from 07, and possibly the one whose dying face is shown lower on 07, is Sagittarii. However, again, I am not looking at my copy of Omega Point, and so cannot say that the mysterious purple female does not show up again.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do the details of the face of the female in 01 match with Libras&#039;? I have a vague recollection that they do not, though I am unwilling to put much stock into that with regards to this particular comic. -[[User:LV|LV]] 05:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Female in 01 doesn&#039;t match Libras, but it doesnt&#039; really look much liek Miss Color either.  But the female in 01 definately DOES lack shoulder-scales. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think we will have to concede that many of the characters vary from appearance to appearance, that they will be miscolored even more often, and that there will basically be no way to differentiate between Aquator and Piscor, other than that one is green and one is blue. Still, I think the fact that we independently came to most of the same conclusions about the others allows us to identify them with some confidence. Libras&#039; scales, Capricun&#039;s being red, and so on and so forth. Clearly my justification for the red female being Cancix is weak at best, but so long as it is explicitly stated, I can&#039;t imagine a problem with it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 05:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So what body types dow e have?  Leone Male, Hulking male with bulls horns,  male with rams horns, Hulking male with no horns, two-headed male.  Female with hair, female with scales...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Leonicus&lt;br /&gt;
*Taurnotron&lt;br /&gt;
*Ariex&lt;br /&gt;
*Geminator (twins =e 2-heads)&lt;br /&gt;
*Virgol (sexy femme)&lt;br /&gt;
*Libras (grrl with scales)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Half the group ID&#039;d with firm visusls.  Plus:&lt;br /&gt;
*Capricun, red male&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The remainign names have to go between the available physical models, and there&#039;s ONLY FOUR LEFT, ONE of whom is the hulking male, two of whom are female.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Available bodies:&lt;br /&gt;
*Red Final Female&lt;br /&gt;
*Hulkign Green Male&lt;br /&gt;
*Slim final male&lt;br /&gt;
*Another female&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Available names:&lt;br /&gt;
*Sagittari&lt;br /&gt;
*Cancix&lt;br /&gt;
*Aquator (Established ot be male)&lt;br /&gt;
*Piscor&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do you agree?  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes. Unfortunately, I see no way to determine which is Piscor and which is Aquator. -[[User:LV|LV]] 05:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What if the massive green male (in 3) were Cancix?  That&#039;s ehy he&#039;s so thick.  The placement of hsi head seems right for crab mandibles, and those really ODD shaped shoudler-plates with much skinnier biceps-- his crab claws?  (Assume he basicly lays on his stomach, the shoulders are just rotating came for the arms.)  Is that... reaching?  (I always thought of him as Cancix, because of his broad profile, liek a crab.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That leaves us with Piscor as one of the females, and no way to differentiate between her and Sagittarii. Given the femininity of the name &amp;quot;Cancix&amp;quot; and the masculinity of the name &amp;quot;Piscor&amp;quot;, I find that alternative less satisfying, personally. -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But,s ee, the red chick&#039;s strong (beyond strong) cheekbones have always been been suggestive of a fish&#039;s face for me.  Feck #4.  She even looks liek she has gills.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On consideration, having MOSTLY narrowed it down in tersm of the # of body-types (I think the 3rd skinny male doing his &#039;mindless one&#039; impresion and melting the ground is the same as the shadowed male in the final 4) I think it makes most sense to list the 8 Covenant members that &#039;are generally agreed on,&#039; and then list the other 4 &amp;quot;And we&#039;re not sure which is whch.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...none of which is happening today, as I have Other thigns requiring my attention.  Thoughts? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So long as we present brief summaries of our (and any future visitors&#039;) hypotheses about who the remaining four are, I agree. It is the most objective way to do it, but I want to indicate that there are some at least halfway reasonable educated guesses which can be made.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
...but Derik, if you&#039;ve always thought Cancix was the big male and Piscor was the red female, then why did you add Sagittarii and Cancix to the female TF list?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
-[[User:LV|LV from the museum]] 17:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Covenant_(group)&amp;diff=31452</id>
		<title>Talk:Covenant (group)</title>
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		<updated>2006-03-30T17:46:48Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;128.146.250.93: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Virgol and the unidentified female from the Final Four have &amp;quot;skirts&amp;quot;; Libras and the purple mystery from 07.jpg do not. Consequently, since the Final Four Female is red and thus probably Cancix, I suspect that the purple female from 07, and possibly the one whose dying face is shown lower on 07, is Sagittarii. However, again, I am not looking at my copy of Omega Point, and so cannot say that the mysterious purple female does not show up again.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do the details of the face of the female in 01 match with Libras&#039;? I have a vague recollection that they do not, though I am unwilling to put much stock into that with regards to this particular comic. -[[User:LV|LV]] 05:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Female in 01 doesn&#039;t match Libras, but it doesnt&#039; really look much liek Miss Color either.  But the female in 01 definately DOES lack shoulder-scales. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I think we will have to concede that many of the characters vary from appearance to appearance, that they will be miscolored even more often, and that there will basically be no way to differentiate between Aquator and Piscor, other than that one is green and one is blue. Still, I think the fact that we independently came to most of the same conclusions about the others allows us to identify them with some confidence. Libras&#039; scales, Capricun&#039;s being red, and so on and so forth. Clearly my justification for the red female being Cancix is weak at best, but so long as it is explicitly stated, I can&#039;t imagine a problem with it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 05:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
So what body types dow e have?  Leone Male, Hulking male with bulls horns,  male with rams horns, Hulking male with no horns, two-headed male.  Female with hair, female with scales...?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
*Leonicus&lt;br /&gt;
*Taurnotron&lt;br /&gt;
*Ariex&lt;br /&gt;
*Geminator (twins =e 2-heads)&lt;br /&gt;
*Virgol (sexy femme)&lt;br /&gt;
*Libras (grrl with scales)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Half the group ID&#039;d with firm visusls.  Plus:&lt;br /&gt;
*Capricun, red male&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The remainign names have to go between the available physical models, and there&#039;s ONLY FOUR LEFT, ONE of whom is the hulking male, two of whom are female.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Available bodies:&lt;br /&gt;
*Red Final Female&lt;br /&gt;
*Hulkign Green Male&lt;br /&gt;
*Slim final male&lt;br /&gt;
*Another female&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Available names:&lt;br /&gt;
*Sagittari&lt;br /&gt;
*Cancix&lt;br /&gt;
*Aquator (Established ot be male)&lt;br /&gt;
*Piscor&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do you agree?  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yes. Unfortunately, I see no way to determine which is Piscor and which is Aquator. -[[User:LV|LV]] 05:46, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What if the massive green male (in 3) were Cancix?  That&#039;s ehy he&#039;s so thick.  The placement of hsi head seems right for crab mandibles, and those really ODD shaped shoudler-plates with much skinnier biceps-- his crab claws?  (Assume he basicly lays on his stomach, the shoulders are just rotating came for the arms.)  Is that... reaching?  (I always thought of him as Cancix, because of his broad profile, liek a crab.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:08, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That leaves us with Piscor as one of the females, and no way to differentiate between her and Sagittarii. Given the femininity of the name &amp;quot;Cancix&amp;quot; and the masculinity of the name &amp;quot;Piscor&amp;quot;, I find that alternative less satisfying, personally. -[[User:LV|LV]] 06:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
But,s ee, the red chick&#039;s strong (beyond strong) cheekbones have always been been suggestive of a fish&#039;s face for me.  Feck #4.  She even looks liek she has gills.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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On consideration, having MOSTLY narrowed it down in tersm of the # of body-types (I think the 3rd skinny male doing his &#039;mindless one&#039; impresion and melting the ground is the same as the shadowed male in the final 4) I think it makes most sense to list the 8 Covenant members that &#039;are generally agreed on,&#039; and then list the other 4 &amp;quot;And we&#039;re not sure which is whch.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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...none of which is happening today, as I have Other thigns requiring my attention.  Thoughts? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:19, 30 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So long as we present brief summaries of our (and any future visitors&#039;) hypotheses about who the remaining four are, I agree. It is the most objective way to do it, but I want to indicate that there are some at least halfway reasonable educated guesses which can be made.&lt;br /&gt;
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...but Derik, if you&#039;ve always thought Cancix was the big male and Piscor was the red female, then why did you add Sagittarii and Cancix to the female TF list?&lt;br /&gt;
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