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Talk:Starscream (G1)

2009-07-10T20:49:05Z

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==MP Starscream==
No slight upon you, Walky, but you are wrong, and the photo you have is a bad photo. The F-15E (the model Starscream is based upon, I accidently typed D in error) has only ever had one colour throughout its existence, "Gunship Grey". Its color code (issued by the government in the current FS595B) is FS 36118, and is used only many planes. It is famous for being currently used on the B-52 Stratofortress and the B-2 Spirit stealth bomber. Have you seen any green bombers or stealth bombers in the last decade?

The F-15E is not green like MP SS at all. Somebody at TakaraTomy looked at the bad or doctored photos you looked at and concluded those are the accurate colours, or they wanted to do something different.

Additional Trivia: I recall somebody finding pics of early F-15s that Classics Starscream's colour scheme was based upon. Amusingly, those photos have been doctored. The early F-15s were painted sky blue, because they were to fly around the blue skies of California. Additionally, the prototypes were also sky blue with bright orange in the same patterns as Classics Starscream's reds. For some reason the US Air Force doctored these photos to make the F-15s look more like later models, and so Don Figueroa or somebody at Hasbro based SS's deco on these doctored photos (thankfully).

Oh, your revert also wiped out whatever else I said not relating to the MP. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:00, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
: I'd like to note that MP Starscream photographs way more green than he is in person. --[[User:68.75.18.107|68.75.18.107]] 22:17, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

:: Yeah, but still the wrong colours, and I think it bears noting. If anybody is wondering, there is no real reason why MP Skywarp is mostly black with little purple on his hull in fighter mode, either, since last I checked, they never painted F-15s black. They did with F-14s and F-16s, as I recall. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:23, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

==Second in Command==
Is Starscream really the second in command though? I mean, he certainly takes over whenever Megs is incapacitated, but I don't believe that Megatron ever gave him control over a friggin' Planet.

So what I'm suggesting here is that Shockwave is the actual second-in-command, not Starscream. Unless it is actually written somewhere that Starscream IS the second in command. In which case my comment is cheerfully withdrawn.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 23:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Point.
Maybe I should have said "Second in Command of the Forces on Earth". Also, when Megatron fell in the movie, it was He, and not Shockwave, who took command. But you're right, I'm not sure if it is ever actually stated, or in fact correct.
:Writer's decision maybe,since Shockwave later got crushed under a falling ceiling. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 22:03, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
----
Yeah, Everyone assumes that Ol' Mr. Screamy is the second in command, but I'm pretty sure that that is only based on the fact that he gets the most screen time (as he should, because he's the best Decepticon).

Also, didn't he get the title of Leadership because he beat the ever loving crap out of all the other Decepticons?--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 00:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, we never see Starscream enter that battle, its just we see them arguing over it, and then when we're back on Cybertron, Starscream is the victor, thou we never even saw him make his stake in the previous scene. Sounds more like he waited for everyone else to beat the ever loving poop out of each other, then beat the remaining love out of an already injured candidate... G1 Cartoon Starscream never did anything that didn't make him look like an fool. And his voice never helped. However, Energon and Galaxy Force Starscreams. Particually Galaxy Force. You can see he's planning it all out carefully, trying to wait until Master Megatron slips just enough for him to take over. And He could do so too. Never seen what Starscream was like in the comics though. How was he there?

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Considerably whinier then he was in the G1 cartoon. Though he DID attain near-Godhood for a brief time (thanks to the vast powers of the Underbase), during which time he pretty well destroyed both sides of the war. Then he got greedy, took more power and it blew him up. Inexplicably, despite being pivotal in the near extinction of his own race, Megatron decided to revive Starscream with Pretender technology.

Meg's never was very bright.
--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 00:20, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Not quite as dim as G1-Season 3 Galvatron.
"Look! A Ghost!" <Bang Bang>
"Look! A School Girl!" <Bang Bang>
"Look! My Foot!" <Bang Bang, followed by screaming>

I '''hate''' it when I forget to check the minor edit box. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I though you had rewritten the Titanium section, which I wouldn't haved minded as my description of his transforming WW toy is abit crap. Have I forgotten any G1 Starscream toys there? I think there was a Legends release of the Pretender inner robot, but bah, I don't have enough to say about. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::The Pretender Starscream section already mentions the Legends release; I expanded it to match Bumblebee's entry. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::: The Legends release should be given its own headers, as it was a separate release in America. In theory, you should be able to scroll down through the toy list and see every toy release in bold. (Well, minus foreign releases, since we tend to treat those as variants.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Okay, I added a Legends entry, but I don't think its worth the bother adding a new picture for it, since its the same as the Pretender inner bot. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

===Tech spec numbers===

Maddening! Pretender Starscream's TS numbers are clearly based on the correct ones, ie those given to Skywarp on the 1984 packaging. But AM Starscream, G2 Starscream and MW Starscream all use the ones on Starscream's 1984 packaging, ie the ones that actually belong to Thundercracker. Whyyyyy. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:35, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
: *slap!* Don't you ''ever'' expect sense from tech specs again. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 01:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

==Spark==
I feel like Starscream's capsule bio shouldn't mention the indestructible spark, since there is no indication as to whether that is true in any specific continuity besides Beast Wars. It is ''maybe'' true in the G1 toon, but, also maybe he was actually just a ghost there, whatever that means. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:34, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
: I don't see why it's "maybe" true in the G1 toon. I mean, Beast Wars got the idea FROM the Starscream's ghost thing -- hell, it's a SEQUEL -- it's just that "indestructable spark" is the crazy science language for it. That's one of the most straightforward retcons in Transformers. It's definitely true in the G1 cartoon, it's definitely true in Beast Wars, and it's true in Dreamwave continuity, too, since everything was written to work with and lead up to Beast Wars. And it won't be PROVEN untrue anywhere else until a Starscream dies for good. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:36, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::How well does it mesh with Marvel? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Image:ZombieScream1.jpg|200px]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
::::In fairness, it ''is'' pointed out that residual Underbase energy is responsible for animating him there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:04, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::In crazy inadmissable speculation land, I would credit the residual Underbase energy for giving him a mutant indestructable spark in the first place. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Heck, everyone was pretty invincible there. Blow 'em and up and you just had to put their bodies to bring them back to life. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:42, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

==Generation 2==
There's mention of Jhiaxus controlling the Warworld, and while it's been awhile since I've read G2, wasn't the warworld in Megatron's possession at the time? I don't seem to recall Jhiaxus ever controlling it.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 02:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
: Starscream dumped Megatron and his Decepticons and wooed himself over to Jhiaxus' team by providing information that would get him the Warworld. Cybertronian Empire troops stormed the War World, kicked the Combaticons' asses, and then took it over. Starscream then doublecrossed Jhiaxus' troops and injested the Matrix. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:36, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

so does starscream make a better leader then Megatron

== Captions ==

Is this vandalism? [[User:Ajrand|Ajrand]] ([[User talk:Ajrand|Signalbook]])([[Special:Contributions/Ajrand|Logbook]]) 05:06, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
*On Teletraan I, we have a more laid back attitude to picture captions. We allow jokes, so long as they're relevant and in good taste. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:08, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
**Ah. I haven't spent much time on this wiki; I'm more used to Wookiepedia. Much less laid back, eh? Well, thanks [[User:Ajrand|Ajrand]] ([[User talk:Ajrand|Signalbook]])([[Special:Contributions/Ajrand|Logbook]]) 05:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

== An Homage in Hearts of Steel ==
I was curious about Starscream's "head fins" on his Hearts redesign. So I asked Guido, via Deviantart, if they were a homage to similar fins on Waspinator's robot head. The response came.

:"These fins are more an homage to Leozak from TF Victory", he said.

So, worthy of a trivia note? And if so, what page will get it? Starscream? Hearts of Steel? Leozak? --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 02:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Well, that's interesting. ==

Seems Starscream's "betrayal" in Megatron: Origin was anything but.[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8503&dispsize=800&start=0] Between this and the little cabal turning to Starscream in Devastation I'm starting to like IDW Starscream. He keeps a lot of his G1 traits, but he's more of a serious contender than in other continuities.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:36, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

==Ulchtar==
Hey, wasn't this actually Denny O'Neil's name for the character? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 16:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== Revoltech Development ==

I'm not sure how best to insert this info into the Toy/Merchandise section, so I'm putting it here for now, both in Hot Rod and Starscream's discussion pages.

Revoltech Yamaguchi versions of Hot Rod and Starscream are being developed for release on March 15. Since they're still in the production process, the final figures may differ from the photos shown [http://ga.sbcr.jp/mreport/008583/ here]. No other details are currently available.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Split? ==

This page is getting kind of big... perhaps splitting the toy section from the article much like what was done to Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee and Hot Rod would be something to do? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:I agree. I've been thinking about that for a while now, and Screamer's toy section appears large enough to merit one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:43, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
::And make another section for Starscream's toys? Or SEEKER toys? Because the latter would be hilariously large and never ending! >XD -- [[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]

== Trivia section ==

FYI, the direct link to the Robot Masters Starscream image at TFU pops up a "TFU: Protected" filler image unless you cut and paste the URL instead.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:17, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

== Cartoon screencaps ==

Hey, who uploaded all of those G1 Starscream screencaps? You didn't name them in the correct format. You're supposed to use the title of the story/episode they are from somewhere in the name so, on the off chance the description is lost (such as when it was lost in the database crash) or when the description is wrong or inadequate, we have some idea of which episode or story its from if it isn't obvious from the image. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:07, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeeah, that was me. Sorry about that.
:(and I'd do it again, too! Bwahahaha!)</small!> - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
::And you would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those meddling Aussies! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:30, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shakes fist* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:39, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

==Kiss Players image==
This is an honest question. Since we link "Dirk Dinobot" for being NSFW, why don't we do the same for the image where Screamer possesses Atari? [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:39, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because there's no exposed genitalia. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:54, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:: Fair enough. Just curious. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 21:11, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

== Star Wars Reference ==

I wondered if this might be worth mentioning in the notes section:

There were a series of Star Wars books by John Whitman released in the late nineties for older children, which centered around an Imperial conspiracy to create an army of evil, ''immortal'' soldiers.

It was of course called, "Project Starscream".

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Project_Starscream

Talk:Lockdown (Animated)

2009-07-08T07:37:28Z

129.82.96.137: /* Star Wars homage? */ new section

I ''THINK'' Lockdown is the bounty hunter, and Lugnut's the decipticon Bulkhead.

Bio from the box Scan - '''<nowiki>[removed illegal link]</nowiki>''' Thanks to the Allspark.
--[[user:invisiblemoose|invisiblemoose]] 9:41, 3 December 2007 (NZ)

:Please see [[Help:Coming soon]]. Those toys aren't supposed to be released yet, so information gleamed from auctions of possibly-stolen copies of them should not be added to Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:03, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:: Talk about stupid rules. What's the point of it? If we update something that Hasbro want's us to remove, we can simply do that. Until then, why not update any new rumors that we could just find? --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 21:23, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Rumors are stupid hobby-poison and have no place here. But Lockdown's bio is not a "rumor," since we do know what it is. Info from stolen items, especially items that were about to be released anyway, I could personally see going either way--but it is policy here that such are forbidden. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

:::If by 'about to be released' you mean June 2008.... --[[User:invisiblemoose|invisiblemoose]] 11:39, 3 December 2007 (NZ)

::The same can be said for [[Prowl (Animated)]] when that was updated MONTHS ago. There was some reluctance, but it was updated anyway. --[[User:invisiblemoose|invisiblemoose]] 11:16, 3 December 2007 (NZ)

==Something seems odd here==
I just recently got a Lockdown figure from a Q102 Raffle back during Botcon, and I just got him all transformed when I noticed that 3/4 of his limbs are either colored wrong or lacking paint when compared to the *VERY* show accurate pic of him on the back of his card. Is this normal? [[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 20:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
P.S. He also doesn't have a rubsign after all on the toy, but the box shows it on the car roof in all of G1 rubsign glory.

==image captions==
So, who's for making all his captions Bishop quotes? if the picture allows for it of course...--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:22, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
:Death's Head quotes would seem more appropriate, yes?{{unsigned|72.138.15.186}}
::Eh, we can mix and match and see what works.
::Please indent any responses, as they make it easier to follow a conversational flow. They also tell the wiki interface to honor single carriage returns. Otherwise, unless you use a line break (<nowiki> </nowiki>) or 2+ returns, your text will continue on the same line as the preceding text. Oh—and please sign your Talk page posts.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 08:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

===Deaths Head homage?===
He does appere a homage to Deaths Head, his hand changes into weaponery and his to has the "cleached teath look to it. worth metioning? [[User:Editoroflife|Editoroflife]] 08:29, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

== New toy image ==

It's from Transformers.com, so it's official. [[User:BUMBLEBEE|The 'Bee :)]] 16:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

==EMP generator==

I just saw that the EMP generator can be removed from lockdown's arm with a simple peg in the same shape of ratchet's scar, so i'm almost sure that it can be atatched to ratchet.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 16:06, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Yay! :D [[User:BUMBLEBEE|The 'Bee :)]] 15:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yep,you can see it on peaugh's youtube channel,no direct linking though since we're not "allowed" to know this. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
::No, we're allowed to post stuff about the toys now. They've been officially released to stores in Cincinnati. This isn't a leak this time, they're a test-market.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Wrong,Ratchet is wave 2,so he has not been released to test market yet. So we're still not "allowed" to know things about ratchet's toy. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Um, wave 2 has been released. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:43, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Wow,so it's not just a wave of testmarketing anymore. That's [[Hasbro|some crazy shit]]. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 16:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==Size==

Why is the size changed from leader to voyager? next to my movie ratchet, lockdown is a head taller, so it schould be changed to "almost as big as a leader class toy" or it schould be changed to "bigger then a voyager class toy."
:It is being sold at Voyager class. Being larger than ''another'' Voyager by a head does not make it a different size class.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: Was it not deluxe class?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 15:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::: Then why are you claiming the size was changed from leader to voyager? If you're just talking about the line that says he's "nearly as big as a voyager" that still puts him a long way from a leader-class as he's only ''taller'' not ''bigger''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:::: Oh, then i said it wrong, sorry. i just wanted to note that for a deluxe class toy, that he's bigger then most voyager class toys, putting him closer to the size of a leader class toy.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 16:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, he's ''taller'' than many Voyager class toys. Height has nothing to do with it. Size classes are determined by two main things: complexity and mass. That's why Cybertron Metroplex is a Leader instead of a Supreme and Animated Bulkhead is a Voyager instead of a Deluxe. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::There's a big size gulf between voyagers and leaders, due to the omitted ultra class.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::::: I don't know how tall the animated toyline leader class toys are, so i compared him to movie optimus prime, he's about a head smaller. I just want it to be noted that for a deluxe, he has an impressive size.(and excuse me wen i mix bigger and taller, i mix those up often.)--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 16:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::: Which Movie Prime? If it's the one where the truck nose forms a backpack and the robot chest windows are ''not'' the truck mode windows, you've got the Voyager Prime. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Considering the context of the discussion, I'm guessing Grand-majin means the Leader-class Movie Prime, especially since he says Lockdown's taller than Movie Ratchet.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::: yeah, i was talking about the leader class prime.--[[User:Grandmajin|Grand-majin]] 17:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==Hook arm==
Since the hook arm is detachable and dosent match his colours scheem, is anyone thinking that this might just be like the EMP generator, can also go on annother toy, i think maybe, oil slick? Maybe we're gona get various toys later on with parts the detach and can be added to Lockdown, his chainsaw arm, ect? [[User:Editoroflife|Editoroflife]] 02:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::Being a hook, it could be a piece for one of the constructicons or Oil Slick( same color pattern)
The hook's color scheme is different to make it match up well in car mode,it detaches because it's a detachable weapon,plus he appears that way in flashbacks so you'll have his cybertron mode and earth mode in one toy. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
: The hook attachment's yellow is entirely hidden in car mode. It has yellow trim on the revealed robot parts because that's what color his hook arm is on his character model. No other reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

==Decepticon?==
He Mentioned he wasn't one of them. Why do you Identified as a decepticon. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 14:26, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Your approach to capitalization is refreshing.
:Anyway, Hasbro identifies him as a Decepticon. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's how Hasbro identifies him, but in show, he only works with the Decepticons because "they pay on time, and allow him the upgrades he wants". At least that's what the article says.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 15:19, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, we know. But rather like Gnaw the Sharkticon, who technically was on the Quintessons' side, he's marketed as a Decepticon, and so is listed as such. Lockdown's article specifically says he's a Decepticon "by necessity," indicating he isn't part of the faction in the usual sense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:41, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Personally I'm quite tempted to see if I can't fit a rubsign over his tampographed faction symbol when I get him. To fit the cartoon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:45, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not a bad idea. Anyone know if the reprolabels rubsigns are actually rub-able?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:Its interesting to note that Lockdown doesn't identify as a Decepticon and also lacks the apparently natural Decepticon size and strength. It's possible that he's a convert like Blackarachnia.

==Concept art==
[http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2008/05/evolution-of-lockdown.html Very interesting...] Worth adding to the page? - [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 00:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::I would say so. I hope more concept work gets out, I love that stuff.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 00:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

==EMP gen engine after loss==
Despite having lost the EMP generator, Lockdown retains the external engine it comprises in his vehicle mode, as seen in "A Fistful of Energon".
While watching, I noticed that the engine looked a bit different. Also, when he transformed, it seemed to purposely call attention to it. Perhaps we should say something about it.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Flame Redeco ==

What is the source of the Flame redeco with the chainsaw weapon, have we seen this with its new weapon, if so where can i find a picture? [[User:Editoroflife|Editoroflife]] 02:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
: It was seen in a slide presentation at BotCon 2008. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:03, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:Got a picture? [[User:Editoroflife|Editoroflife]] 07:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

==Maybe an EX-autobot?==

: It just hit me because he trained under yukitron before/during the great war might make him an ex-autobot, is it worth nothing?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 12:54, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

== Star Wars homage? ==

I remembered a character called Gorm the Dissolver while watching my wife play Lego Star Wars: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gorm

He's a bountyhunter/assassin that sometimes upgrades himself with parts of his victims.

Coincidence?

Micromaster

2009-05-23T05:26:22Z

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{{stub|Fiction, images}}

{{picsneeded|Main pic, Commercial screengrabs, fictional appearances, toys}}

{{disambig2|the Generation 1 subline and the characters contained therein|the Dreamwave miniseries|Micromasters}}

'''Micromasters''' are Transformers with extremely small, extremely fuel-efficient bodies. Some were created that way, others were created as ordinary Transformers (or [[Guzzler|guzzlers]], as Micromasters sometimes call normal-sized Transformers) and rebuilt into Micromasters. Transforming into tiny cars, planes, and other vehicles, they are depicted as roughly human-sized in robot mode in most continuities.

Some Micromasters are also Combiners, and can each form either the front or back half of a combined vehicle. They are not constrained to joining only with their Combiner partner; they also can join with any other [[Micromaster Combiner]], as well as to the back of any [[Micro Trailer]]. (See also [[Combi-Micromaster]].)

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Generic decepticon 3 marvel uk 230.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Makin' Micromasters!]]
The Micromasters were created by the Autobots as a downsizing means to increase fuel efficiency. ''Though at first the technology was created by the Autobots, the Decepticons were able to capture and study the [[Battle Patrol]] to learn the secrets themselves, and the first Decepticon Micromasters were born.'' {{storylink|A Small War!}}

''The Micromasters served under Emirate Xaaron, with Fixit acting as one of the base's medics.'' {{storylink|Demons!}} {{storylink|Dawn of Darkness}}

Two of the Micromaster squads were deployed to Earth to assist Optimus Prime's forces, but they quickly went their own way. {{storylink|King Con!}} Soon they had all but integrated into [[New York City]] society, their small size allowing them to interact easily with humans. Only the arrival on Earth of the Decepticon [[Air Strike Patrol]] shook them loose from this position. {{storylink|The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship!}}

The Air Strike Patrol sooned proved to have ulterior motives for coming to Earth, as they, along with the [[Sports Car Patrol]], were working for Megatron. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} While the Air Strike Patrol manipulated Scorponok and Optimus Prime into a battle, the Sports Car Patrol kidnapped Ratchet and laid explosives aboard the ''Ark''. {{storylink|The Resurrection Gambit!}} Blackjack wasn't able to maintain control of the ''Ark'', however, and the rest of the patrol were defeated by Grimlock's Pretender team. {{storylink|All the Familiar Faces!}} {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

The Micromaster Autobots continued to play roles in the Autobot insurgency on Cybertron, though the [[Rescue Patrol]] prepared to leave for Earth. A teleportation accident transported them to the center of Cybertron, {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}} where they nearly but not quite managed to defeat the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] with help from their larger brethren. {{storylink|Primal Scream}}

On Earth, the Air Strike Patrol met their fate in [[Louisiana]] at the hands of a pissed-off mutant oil rig worker. {{storylink|The Human Factor!}}

Having arrived on Earth, Fixit served as the chief medic aboard the ''Ark'', in the absence of Ratchet. {{storylink|Eye of the Storm!}} {{storylink|The Price of Life!}}

''A few of the Micromasters were still active many years later, when the Autobots followed the Dinobots to [[Hydrus Four]] to rescue them and prevent the resurrection of Megatron.'' {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}

===Dreamwave continuity===
{{storylink|Destined for Nothing|Destined for Nothing}} {{storylink|The Gray Race|The Gray Race}} {{storylink|Recipe for Hate|Recipe for Hate}} {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution|Victims of the Revolution}}

===IDW continuity===
The Micromasters (never identified as such) are by-products of [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]' attempts to further the evolution of the Transformer race. The Sports Car Patrol confront [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] beneath [[Gorlam Prime]], {{storylink|Spotlight: Nightbeat|Spotlight: Nightbeat}} and they (along with several other teams) pursue him again when he and [[Hardhead (G1)| Hardhead]] return. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead|Spotlight: Hardhead}} Jhiaxus' Micromaster lackeys are last seen being dismembered by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
:The Micromasters were first released in the US and European markets in the two final years of the Generation 1 toyline, 1989 and 1990, as a market response to the growing popularity of [[:wikipedia:Micro_Machines|Micro Machines]]. The Generation 1 Micromasters were either grouped as Patrols, Squads, Transports, Stations or Bases.

:Each Micromaster stands about 1" high in robot mode, making them the smallest Transformers released to that point (since surpassed only by few members of the [[Smallest Transforming Transformers]] line.) Many share a standardized transformation scheme of "flip out rear of vehicle to form legs; swing up arms from side." Articulation is generally limited to swiveling shoulders and knees joints (the latter limited by conjoined uni-feet.)

* '''Micromaster Patrols''' (1989)
[[Image:Micromaster-rescuepatrol-toys.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Rescue Patrol]]
[[Image:Micromaster-sportscarpatrol-toys.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Sports Car Patrol]]

;Autobots:
:* [[Off Road Patrol]] ([[Highjump (G1)|Highjump]], [[Mudslinger]], [[Powertrain]], and [[Tote]])
:* [[Race Car Patrol]] ([[Tailspin]], [[Free Wheeler]], [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]], and [[Swindler]])
:* [[Rescue Patrol]] ([[Seawatch]], [[Stakeout]], [[Fixit]], and [[Red Hot]])
:* [[Battle Patrol]] ([[Big Shot]], [[Sidetrack]], [[Sunrunner]], and [[Flak]])

;Decepticons:
:* [[Air Strike Patrol]] ([[Nightflight (G1)|Nightflight]], [[Storm Cloud (G1)|Storm Cloud]], [[Whisper (G1)|Whisper]], and [[Tailwind]])
:* [[Sports Car Patrol]] ([[Detour (G1)|Detour]], [[Blackjack]], [[Hyperdrive]], and [[Road Hugger (G1)|Road Hugger]])

* '''Micromaster Patrols''' (1990)
;Autobots:
:* [[Construction Patrol]] ([[Neutro]], [[Groundpounder]], [[Crumble]], and [[Takedown]])
:* [[Air Patrol]] ([[Sky High (Micromaster)|Sky High]], [[Eagle Eye (G1)|Eagle Eye]], [[Blaze Master]], and [[Tread Bolt]])
:* [[Monster Truck Patrol]] ([[Hydraulic]], [[Slow Poke]], [[Big Hauler]], and [[Heavy Tread]])
:* [[Hot Rod Patrol]] ([[Big Daddy (G1)|Big Daddy]], [[Trip-Up]], [[Greaser]], and [[Hubs]])

;Decepticons:
:* [[Race Track Patrol]] ([[Roller Force]], [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]], [[Ground Hog]], and [[Motorhead]])
:* [[Military Patrol]] ([[Bombshock (G1)|Bombshock]], [[Tracer (Decepticon)|Tracer]], [[Dropshot (G1)|Dropshot]], and [[Growl (G1)|Growl]])

: The Patrols came carded in four-packs beginning in 1989, with a couple following in 1990. All were sold at the $5 price point. Each patrol's alternate modes generally have a recurring common theme—for example, military vehicles in the case of the Military Patrol, or planes and helicopters in the case of the Air Patrol.

*'''Micromaster Combiner Squads'''
[[Image:DirectHitPowerPunchToys.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Direct-Hit and Power Punch]]

;Autobots:
:* [[Metro Squad]] ([[Wheel Blaze]], [[Roadburner]], [[Oiler]], [[Slide]], [[Power Run]], and [[Strikedown]])
:* [[Astro Squad]] ([[Phaser]], [[Blast Master]], [[Moonrock]], [[Missile Master]], [[Barrage (Micromaster)|Barrage]], and [[Heave]])

;Decepticons:
:* [[Battle Squad]] ([[Meltdown (G1)|Meltdown]], [[Half-Track (G1)|Half-Track]], [[Direct-Hit (G1)|Direct-Hit]], [[Power Punch (G1)|Power Punch]], [[Fireshot (G1)|Fireshot]], and [[Vanquish (G1)|Vanquish]])
:* [[Constructor Squad]] ([[Stonecruncher (G1)|Stonecruncher]], [[Excavator (G1)|Excavator]], [[Sledge (G1)|Sledge]], [[Hammer (G1)|Hammer]], [[Grit (G1)|Grit]], and [[Knockout (G1)|Knockout]])

:{{main|Micromaster Combiner}}

:The Combiner Squads were sold in carded six-packs in 1990. Each Squad consist of six Micromaster Combiners, thus making three vehicles in their alt mode. Micromaster Combiners transform into half of a vehicle form, which can use standardized connection plugs to combine with any other Micromaster Combiner to form a complete vehicle. Not all combinations make a lot of sense - the rear half of a dump truck connected to the front half of a space shuttle isn't anything you can win a war with, eh?

* '''Micromaster Transports''' (1989)
[[Image:G1Erector toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Erector? I hardly knew 'er!]]

;Autobots:
:* [[Erector]]
:* [[Overload (G1)|Overload]]

;Decepticons:
:* [[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]]
:* [[Roughstuff]]

{{main|Micromaster Transport}}

:The [[Micromaster Transport|Micromaster Transports]] are single Micromasters that come with a transforming vehicle with which they can interact in some way. Flattop transforms into a jet and comes with an aircraft carrier, whereas the other three transform into trucks and pull transforming trailers. Except for Erector's trailer, all the additional vehicles transform into jets. They were released in 1989.

* '''Micromaster Combiner Transports''' (1990)
[[Image:TankerTruckToy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The Tanker Truck. THE Tanker Truck. Apparently it's the only tanker truck in the whole Transformers universe.]]

;Autobots:
:* [[Missile Launcher]] with [[Retro]] and [[Surge]]
:* [[Tanker Truck]] with [[Pipeline]] and [[Gusher]]

;Decepticons:
:* [[Cannon Transport]] with [[Terror-Tread]] and [[Cement-Head]]

{{main|Micromaster Combiner Transport}}

:The Combiner Transports consist of a pair of Micromaster Combiners and a big transforming trailer. Each trailer can optionally transform into a big battle station or into two separate fighting vehicles, each manned by one of the Combiners.

:* '''Micromaster Stations''' (1989)
[[Image:AirwaveToy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The Airport, featuring the largest plane length to runway length ratio of any airport in the universe.]]

;Autobots:
:* [[Hot House]] with [[fire station]]
:* [[Ironworks]] with [[construction station]]

;Decepticons:
:* [[Greasepit (G1)|Greasepit]] with [[gas station]]
:* [[Airwave]] with [[airport]]

:The stations are big bases commanded by a single Transformer and disguised as human buildings. Hot House's station stands out a bit, as it is ''mobile'' in its alternate mode instead of being a stationary base.

* '''Micromaster Bases''' (1989)
[[Image:CountdownToy.jpg|thumb|250px|right|The Rocket Base is one hundred and forty kilometers due west of the Autobot camp.]]
[[Image:G1 Anti-Aircraft Base toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The Anti-Aircraft Base]]

;Autobots:
:* [[Groundshaker]] with [[ATV]]
:* [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]] with [[rocket base]]

;Decepticons:
:* [[Skyhopper]] with [[Helicopter]]
:* [[Skystalker]] with [[Interstellar shuttle]]

:The Micromaster Bases are huge fighting vehicles that transform into even bigger battle stations. They are commanded by a single Micromaster. Countdown's and Skystalker's vehicles are a big chunk taller than those of Groundshaker and Skyhopper, indicating that these two should be seen as the respective leaders of their Micromaster factions.

* '''Micromaster Combiner Bases''' (1990)
;Autobots:
:* [[Battlefield Headquarters]] with [[Full-Barrel]] and [[Overflow]]

;Decepticons:
:* [[Anti-Aircraft Base]] with [[Blackout (G1)|Blackout]] and [[Spaceshot]]

:The Combiner bases are large vehicles commanded by a combiner duo. While the Decepticon Anti-Aircraft Base is pretty similar in concept to the previous year's Bases (transforming from a tank into a battle station), the Battlefield Headquarters lacks a base mode, instead transforming from an earthbound vehicle (a truck) into two airborne ones (a space shuttle and a attack jet).

===Generation 1 (Japan)===
Japan as well released lots of Micromasters during their [[Zone]], [[Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]] and [[Operation Combination (franchise)|Operation Combination]] toylines (and later rereleases during [[Micromaster Collection]]). Most of them were identical to their western releases, but some were recolored or renamed and most Decepticons were depicted as Autobots. Next to this, the characterization they received in fiction differed heavily from their Western appearances, depiciting them as childish, young and inexperienced compared to the bigger transformers. See [[Microtransformer|Microtransformers]].

====Micro Trailer====
* [[Monster Truck Patrol|Big Truck Team]] ([[Hydraulic]], [[Slow Poke]], [[Big Hauler]], and [[Heavy Tread]])
* [[Hot Rod Patrol|Hot Rod Team]] ([[Big Daddy (G1)|Big Daddy]], [[Trip-Up]], [[Greaser]], and [[Hubs]])
* [[Military Team]] ([[Bombshock (ROC)|Bombshock]], [[Tracer (ROC)|Tracer]], [[Dropshot (ROC)|Dropshot]], and [[Growl (ROC)|Growl]])
* [[Shuttle Rocket W Team]] ([[Phaser]], [[Blast Master]], [[Moonrock]], [[Missile Master]]))
* [[Fire Tanker W Team]] ([[Wheel Blaze]], [[Roadburner]], [[Oiler]], [[Slide]])
* [[Radar Hover W Team]] ([[Barrage (Micromaster)|Barrage]], [[Heave]], [[Power Run]], [[Strikedown]])
* [[Dump Shovel W Team]] ([[Hammer (ROC)|Hammer]], [[Sledge (ROC)|Sledge]], [[Grit (ROC)|Grit]], [[Knockout (ROC)|Knockout]])
* [[Crane Cannon W Team]] ([[Direct-Hit (ROC)|Direct-Hit]], [[Excavator (ROC)|Excavator]], [[Power Punch (ROC)|Power Punch]], [[Stonecruncher (ROC)|Stonecruncher]])
* [[Jet Tank W Team]] ([[Fireshot (ROC)|Fireshot]], [[Vanquish (ROC)|Vanquish]], [[Meltdown (ROC)|Meltdown]], [[Half-Track (ROC)|Half-Track]])
* [[Rescue Patrol Team]] ([[Boater]], [[Fire]], [[Holi]], [[Pīpō]])
* [[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]] ([[Big Shot|Gunlift]], [[Sidetrack]], [[Sunrunner]], and [[Flak|Powerbomb]])
* [[Super Car Patrol Team]] ([[Black Heat]], [[Deadhour]], [[Gingham]], [[Road Hugger (Zone)|Road Hugger]]

====Micromaster Sixteams====
Apart from releasing US-made Micromasters, Takara also developed the Micromaster concept further on their own, resulting in the Micromaster Sixteams, Micromasters that combined in robot mode to form a bigger robot similar to the full-size Transformer [[Combiner|combiners]].

;Autobots:
{{collist|5|
*[[Sixliner]]
**[[Alan]]
**[[D-Go]]
**[[Joe (ROC)|Joe]]
**[[Leaf]]
**[[Night]]
**[[Spark (ROC)|Spark]]

*[[Sixtrain]]
**[[Atlan]]
**[[Convertor]]
**[[Desire]]
**[[Raise]]
**[[San D-Go]]
**[[Windy]]

*[[Sixturbo]]
**[[Circuit (OC)|Circuit]]
**[[Discharge]]
**[[Glide]]
**[[Neo-Wheel]]
**[[Road Police]]
**[[Sireen]]

*[[Sixwing]]
**[[Chain Gun]]
**[[Falcon (OC)|Falcon]]
**[[Flanker]]
**[[Missile Run]]
**[[Raker]]
**[[Supersonic]]

*[[Sixbuilder]]
**[[Crush-Bull]]
**[[Digger]]
**[[Gran Arm]]
**[[Iron Lift]]
**[[Mixing]]
**[[Treader]]
}}
;Decepticon:
*[[Decepticon Sixbuilder]]
**[[Bonecrusher (Micromaster Collection)|Bonecrusher]]
**[[Scavenger (Micromaster Collection)|Scavenger]]
**[[Scrapper (Micromaster Collection)|Scrapper]]
**[[Gren]]
**[[Mixmaster (Micromaster Collection)|Mixmaster]]
**[[Long Haul (Micromaster Collection)|Long Haul]]

===Universe===
The Micromasters returned to Western markets in 2004 in the wake of [[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] with the release of redecoed Japanese Generation 1 Micromaster Sixteams. Those Combiner teams were generally given the names of old Generation 1 Full-size Combiners (except for Rail Racer, who has no equivalent in Generation 1).
;Autobots
{{collist|3|
*[[Defensor (Universe)|Defensor]] (Slightly redecoed Sixturbo):
**[[First Aid (Universe)|First Aid]]
**[[Groove (Universe)|Groove]]
**[[Hot Spot (Universe)|Hot Spot]]
**[[Prowl (Universe Micromaster)|Prowl]]
**[[Red Alert (Universe)|Red Alert]]
**[[Streetwise (Universe)|Streetwise]]

*[[Rail Racer (Universe)|Rail Racer]] (Redecoed Sixtrain):
**[[Midnight Express (Universe)|Midnight Express]]
**[[Overload (Universe)|Overload]]
**[[Railspike (Universe)|Railspike]]
**[[Rapid Run (Universe)|Rapid Run]]
**[[Swindle (Universe)|Swindle]]
**[[Tankor (Micromaster)|Tankor]]

*[[Superion (Universe)|Superion]] (Redecoed Sixwing):
**[[Air Raid (Universe)|Air Raid]]
**[[Fireflight (Micromaster)|Fireflight]]
**[[Ro-Tor (Universe)|Ro-Tor]]
**[[Silverbolt (Universe)|Silverbolt]]
**[[Skydive (Universe)|Skydive]]
**[[Storm Jet (Universe)|Storm Jet]]
}}

;Decepticons:
*[[Constructicon Devastator (Micromaster)|Constructicon Devastator]] (Redecoed Sixbuilder):
**[[Bonecrusher (Universe Micromaster)|Bonecrusher]]
**[[Buckethead]]
**[[Hightower (Micromaster)|Hightower]]
**[[Long Haul (Universe Micromaster)|Long Haul]]
**[[Quickmix (Universe)|Quickmix]]
**[[Scavenger (Universe Micromaster)|Scavenger]]

==Notes==
[[Image:MicroTFlogo.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Absolutely, positively not inspired by Micro Machines. No sir. Not at all.]]

[[Image:Transformers micro.jpg|right|150px|thumb|GiG continues on its parade of weirdness.]]

* An early name for the original Micromasters line was simply "Micro Transformers", having been featured on the packaging of the early 1989 Micromaster Patrols. The name was quickly dropped in favor of the now more common "Micromasters", possibly due to its similarity to [[Galoob]]'s "Micro Machines".

* Interestingly, Hasbro's early logo was used for the entirety of Italian company [[GiG]]'s release of the Micromasters figures.

* At least three of the four Micromaster Station molds were reused sans Micromasters in [[Takara]]'s [[Brave]] Police series a few years later, under the subline name "Distortion Machines".

* A number of Micromaster characters have recently been homaged and/or recreated as redecos of newer toys, primarily in the ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' toyline.

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