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Talk:Megatron (Movie)

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129.89.158.180: Undo revision 467615 by Megatron Prime (Talk)

== Human Name jokes ==

We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.
:: I was considering a 'Super Fighting Robot Mega-Man' joke, but I don't know how many people would think that's funny. [[User:VeePickle|VeePickle]] 12:23, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron's Cybertronian form ==

Has anyone else noticed that Megatron's vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the ''Swordfish'', the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in ''Cowboy BeBop''? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The only difference is it's A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.

:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn't exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a 'mono-racer' from Bebop at least.

::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:I actually found it looked like [[Megatron (RID)|the other megatrons`]] jet mode.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I see it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Earth Mode ==

According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we're not including that "info". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie's game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we'll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie. I'd say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it's still not confirmed. [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::From the book media I've perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all. There's other things I saw, but I shan't go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then. [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::Which book? Sounds interesting. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow. The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc. Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side. He ain't Brawl. All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores. (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can't seem to edit pages when I'm logged in.) [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Sibling status==
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true. :)
: FOr what it's worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there's at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: The DS game says so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it's not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it's going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:ROTF seems to ditch the sibling idea; the plot '''hinges''' on 'the Fallen lied to you, you need to be descended from a Prime to be a Prime!', which... er... they ''can't'' be related.
:I don't dispute that these two ''are'' siblings in some continuities... but can we ''not'' make it the '''first sentence''' of his bio? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:07, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
: Could it be that, in some strange crazy way, Megatron/Optimus was adopted? This would still make them brothers in a sense.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:13, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

==*More* Misassemblies==

Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it's his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Geeeeez, you're right. Is there anything assembled ''right'' on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I'm not seeing it.
:::It's most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don't look at 'pics' of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. >.> [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==

I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It'll probebly bring him back to life at least
:I don't deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs's revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won't become Galvatron.

== Marinas Trench ==

I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench. To that end, using "Marinas Trench" doesn't seem exactly right to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to quite decipher what he DID call it. Was anybody else? And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:Keller says "Laurentian Trench," which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest. He also says it's the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas. So, a fact-finding flub. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean. (seriously, it's entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Either that, or Michael bay didn't do his homework.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Or Maybe in their Dimension, it IS the deepest? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 11:59, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

=="The Head Wars"==

the one present right now is a little blurry, wouldn't that one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, because that one doesn't have the right head. We replaced the one you suggested with the current version. (Blurry? It's a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
::Um, yes it does. The Current one has the wrong head. Screencap comparison coming momentarily. Please stand by. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::There is no more-current render to move to. There is a much older, outdated one that ''somebody'' keeps reverting to, but the one we currently use is practically the one used in the movie, if not the very same. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not the same. The top of the head in the final version is different. [[:Image:MegHeads.jpg|Here. ''Now'' tell me I'm wrong.]][[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 20:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:The head we currently have is way way way way way way closer than the alternative. Find us a full-body render that's a better alternative, and we'll switch them out, but there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg GUIGUI's] ''is'' the accurate head. It's just got blue eyes. But considering the eyes of some movie images on the wiki aren't even glowing ''at all'' I don't think that should be an issue.
:::Don't answer me with another block. ''Please.'' I'm just trying to help the wiki. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::That is so totally not the final Megatron. This render showed up months before the one we're currently using, and they hadn't even finished texturing the model. Please drop the issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now I'm confused. Is the body wrong on [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg that one] or something? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 17:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's just shaded wrong(no shadows), and his torso is not completely "filled" with metal.-the preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]]
::That doesn't seem like a good excuse. And please sign your posts. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 15:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I looked at the image again, and it does look a bit odd. But not very much. I suggest a poll/survey of the admins to decide who thinks it should be Meg's main pic, as the torso bit is the only problem. It won't be visible in thumbnail format anyhow. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::The Megatron model has two heads, a standard head and the battle head. The final promotional render with all the completed surface detail, which we are using, uses the standard head. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Admins, please put "Yes" after your name if you think the current image should be changed to [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg this one], or "No" if you think it should stay as-is.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The current poll:

[[User:ItsWalky]]: He hasn't officially voted yet, but it seems as though his answer will be '''"No."'''

[[User:Steve-o]]:Insert vote here

[[User:Suki Brits]]:I think she says '''"No,"''' too.

[[User:Chris McFeely]]:Insert vote here

:If I missed an admin, please notify them and add them here. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::you know, the admins aren't the only ones who have a say in this. And given that the model in the current image is almost if not completely identical to the one used in the movie it should be left as is. IMO, your argument is kinda like saying we need a new main image for [[Optimus Primal]] because it has a mouth doesn't have a full faceplate like the final model, even though the final model had both "mouth" and "faceplate" versions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we can't poll ''everyone''. I'm relatively new, lucky enough to have found the admins listed somewhere. I wouldn't know who else to ask. And That Primal thing does not make sense. I ''know'' he had a mouth ''and'' a [[mouthplate]]. I'm saying the current image has the '''''wrong head''''', and it should be fixed. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::This is bordering on farce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed. If Inferno's Queen does not immediately drop the matter, I will get rid of her for refusing to stop wasting all of our time and polluting the Recent changes page with this retarded personal gripe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::<big>'''I'''</big>

:::::<big>'''AM'''</big>

:::::<big>'''A'''</big>

:::::<big>'''GUY!'''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:Inferno's Queen, it's like I said on the image's talk page: we don't have a full body shot of Megatron's final design, so we're going with the most accurate one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

After the poll is completed, this will end. Deal?[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:...you don't get to dictate policy to admins.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's not quite true. If she keeps this up, she'll likely dictate a permaban on herself :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine already! I'll leave the issue alone if you stop calling me a girl!
:::<big>'''''I AM A GUY!!!'''''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 12:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, dude, is this all you've got to offer?! This is such an incredibly minor issue that it's nowhere worth the amount of discussion that has already gone on about it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is mind-blowingly petty. I don't feel the need to express any opinion on the matter, it's pretty damn clear what the consensus is. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== video game info ==

should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

==Weapon names==
The article currently contains the current text in its movie summary: "Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should die with them, forming his fusion cannon. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his ion blaster and fired, hitting Megatron." Do we have any reason/justification for referring to those weapons so specifically as a fusion cannon and ion blaster? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:In the trivia section of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]'s article, it's called an ion blaster. As for the fusion cannon...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::Doesn't Leader Megatron's toy packaging say "Arms combine to form fusion cannon!" or something along those lines? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Answering my own question by looking up DVD's review, yes it does. And the product listing at Hasbro.com says: "Robot mode also features a launching rocket claw that becomes a chain whip, and arms that combine to create a fusion cannon!" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

==Language==
According to the Circuit City voice featurette, the producers made up an alien language (or Hugo Weaving did, the wording is vague), and Weaving is shown speaking in it as Megatron. Did this make it into the final film? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:There *is* a Cybertronian language spoken by several characters (Frenzy most notably, I guess, plus Starscream, and actually 'every' Decepticon during the call-up scene) but nobody really knows if it's just jibberish with a flanger on or something. That, and Megs 'never' speaks Cybertronian in the movie, so this makes it even stranger. The idea behind the Cybertronians speaking a different language isn't Weaving's, however, because that was in the leaked script that came out long before Weaving was cast. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 23:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::Actually Megatron did speak Cybertronian in the movie (it was during when he first landed in Mission City).

==Encased in ice at the bottom of the ocean?==
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no ice at the bottom of the ocean. Ice is less dense than water so any particles cold enough to freeze float above those who aren't cold enough. (Contrary to normal laws of convection; ice is weird like that) so Megatron and the Decepticons wouldn't be icy at all. Just really cold and crushed under immense water pressure.

: Indeed, because water increases in volume when it freezes,t the freezing point of water ''decreases'' with pressure, i.e. it becomes harder to freeze water which is under pressure. This is the reason why liquid oceans are believed to exist under Europa's icy coating, for example. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

==Megu said ''what''?==
When Megu arrives in Mission City, he says two sentences. Just when he lands, he says something that I heard as "Let me play!" But what did he say after that? Because, the article says that Megu again declared his name when arriving in M City, but he didn't sound like that. Will someone clarify what exactly he said? StarShade 09:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:He was speaking Cybertronian, no-one knows exactly what he says. Although he does appear to pronounce his name one more time.

==Premium==
Does anyone know if the premium series leader Megatron has corrected the assembly errors?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Screen Grabs==
Well since the trailer has been offically released, and Megatron has a few good clear shots in it, can we post a pic or two under ROTF? Mainly the one where he apparently comes out of the water, which appears to be the best looking shot. Just a sugestion.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

==Triple Changer in ROTF?==
Now, I'm terribly sorry I don't have more info than this, but I was at the mall w/ my GF and picked up a guide to ROTF. Most of the info seemed pretty modern and accurate (things like Jetfire being a seeker and such) and they said that upon his revival, Megatron had become a triple-changer, able to take both modes. I don't know the name of it although... nope, can't find it on Amazon. Can someone else comment on this matter? Has anything been shown to support this or has anyone else seen this guide? The store owner said it was just put out that day, so this may be new. IDK. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 20:57, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:This is correct. In the adaptation he assumes both alt-forms.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:18, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::In the adaptations he never really "becomes" a triple-changer. At least they don't mention that he ever gains the ability. He just shown to be able to transform into three modes. I'm not sure if we are supposed to believe he always had the ability but didn't have an occasion to turn into a tank before or what. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Having bought the book now, I can confirm that it says Megatron's status as a triple-changer is the result of his revival, and that it is fairly rare amongst Cybertronians.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:19, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Slight problem. In the novels and what not, he is distinctly described as retaining his jet mode. In the actual film, all scenes where he uses the jet, well, lack it [[User:Eire]]
::::Not really a problem. Adaptations have been mismatched before, and as long as ''one'' source calls him a a triple-changer, in those exact words, it's valid. We don't really need to reconcile the adaptations. That's not our job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:39, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::From what I remember in the movie you never get a clear look at his flight mode, just the blue glow of his afterburners in the distance. He definitely has a tank mode, but I couldn't tell whether his flight mode is just the tank with the jet engines turned on or a separate vehicle mode, or the tank with wings... Heck it could be a giant flying lunchbox for all I could see. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 17:03, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::His flight mode is a flat square-ish thing - basically, the Voyager toy, but steel instead of green.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:04, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== G1 homage, anyone? ==
His head has a helmet-like portion very similar to the helmet-like section of G1 Megatron's head. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:15, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:Not really.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, yeah. He does really.

== Robot Mode flight ==

Is that a new ability? I don't seem to recall him being able to just fly around in the first movie, but it has been a while since I've seen it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

: Do you mean when he lands on the skyscraper, or was there another instance? I figured that he was just continuing on the momentum when he popped out of flying tank mode. How do his jet engines configure in robot mode, maybe they helped? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:23, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::I was going by memory of the movie. Of course Megatron and the other Decepticons swam up from the abyss. That is multi-ton metal robots swimming to the surface. That is almost flying. Then when they got to open air, I seem to remember them just flying away in robot-mode, but I can't say for certain without seeing it again. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's right, I'd forgotten about that. We should check whether his boosters were in some sort of "jetpack configuration" for that shot (like Starscream's thrusters), that would square it up. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:49, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::He uses his jet-tank mode to fly in both instances (seemingly transforming just as he breaks the surface when underwater). I checked.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:58, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==Toy split==
I think it's well past time we split the toys into their own subpage... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:28, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
* Seconded. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
**I agree. --[[Special:Contributions/99.232.46.76|99.232.46.76]] 15:59, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==Reviewing the toys on the wiki==
As long as users such as Walky are (rightly) removing the reviewish comments from the toy descriptions, is there any way one of us can rewrite Movie 1 Legends Megatron's description? The whole thing is taking shots at the toy. If it's inappropriate for the larger Megatrons in the line, then it's inappropriate for this one as well. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C. V. Reynolds]] 17:56, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF Megatron prototype on the back of the box==
:"In a rather bizarre twist, the back of megatron's box depicts him with no feet, the foot part of the threads simply did not exist in the test shot prototype. It also appears the threads were originally longer. The button to hold the blade back did not exist either. The prototype even had a production error: the small wheels molded on the back threads are molded on the wrong side, thus they end up on the top of the threads instead of the bottom." I've originaly posted this with they toy after looking at the box for some time. The toy realy did not have feet like the final toy, the threads were also alot shorter then the final toy. I know that the discription i gave it is not done all that well, but i still stand that it's worth to note.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:00, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

:Anyone? Am i realy the only one who thinks the legs almost have totaly difrently molded legs?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:01, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

== Triple change: misinformation or abandoned concept? ==

The article states that [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|The Movie Universe]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation|comic adaptation]] created the idea of Megatron being a triple changer. However, the [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] mentions that he's a fighter jet several times, and that he takes his tank mode during the battle in Egypt. Additionally, the previsual shots shown on the special two-disc pack show Megatron chasing down Optimus Prime while in jet mode. Is it possible that Megatron really was meant to be a triple changer, and it was simply dropped from the final cut? We an cite plenty of stuff like that happening in the adaptations. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't someone (Orci?) claim that they wanted to save triple changers for movie 3, and there was thus never going to be triple-changing within the movie itself? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:37, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast wars homage? ==

The rotf voyager toy, kinda looks like beast wars megatron. (Big two finger "claw on the right side, wings and dinosaurish legs)

Talk:Bumblebee (G1)/toys

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129.89.158.180: Undo revision 477359 by Megatron Prime (Talk)

.......Why is this not part of [[Bumblebee (G1)]]? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

When the articles reach a certain length, and the toy and character parts are both quite long the Powers That Be decide to spin them off into seperate pages. G1 Megatron and Prime are the same way. Walky must have decided BB had reached the threshhold as well.
--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
: As Derik says below, it gives you a warning once the page gets too big. Bumblebee's page said it was too big. So, as per wiki custom, part of it was split off. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:55, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Which makes sense for editing, but why isn't it one article for viewing? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
I feel I should point out- Wikimedia gives uou a WARNIGN when the article does over a certain length, that it may impede editing because some browsers don't liek text boxes with more than 35km of text in them.

To repeat- ''editing''. There's really no reason for ''viewing'' we couldn't just make the toy section an include. <nowiki>{{:Bumblebee (G1) toys}}</nowiki> so all of bumblebee's article displays on one page. When you click the edit-subsection button it takes you tot he right page to edit anyway. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:31, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

==Splitting releases==
Something that this page needs, which we've done with other pages, is to split up some of the "this toy was later released in this multi-pack", like the keychain Bumblebees, the TF Collection release, etc. Other pages, multi-packs are their own entries, and with the anchor templates, can be easily linked to within the article. I don't have all the info I'd need on me right now to do this (like the Japanese Legends pack info) and I really shouldn't be doing this much work ''at'' work, but if anyone else has the stuff on-hand, beauty. 
And just to reiterate, when a pic is on the right side of the page, we can nudge it up above the bullet-points to save some vertical space should the text be a bit short. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Classics/Henkei car type==
[[Wikipedia:Peugeot 206|Peugeot 206]] seems close enough? *shrugs* Just a suggestion. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:09, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== Periods of activity? ==

What's with that "Periods of activity" part of Bumblebee's Generation 1 toys section? First I'm seeing it, and to be frank it doesn't look especially good or purposeful. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:21, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:I proposed it quite a while back and, hearing no objection, added them in for G1 Bumblebee, Jazz, Grimlock, Prime, and Starscream. Basically the G1 guys who went through multiple bodies through fiction. I think it is useful to acknowledge somewhere that those characters have different toy-based bodies through the run of fiction. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:33, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Soundwave (ROTF)

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==Toy in stores==
* I just got Soundwave in a shop in Belgium, is that even posible when this page says it's not on shelves now?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:51, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

== Whaa? ==

What happened to my edit? I added a mainpic then it just disappeared {{unsigned|Ikkwave}}

:The picture was crappy so it was removed. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 06:01, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

:Oh ok XD [[User:Ikkwave|Ikkwave]] 01:02, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

== Head in ROTF ==

Anybody else agree on Soundwave's head in the movie actually being that armoured decoy head the toy has on the back? Looking at the toy that matches far more with what I saw on screen, but I'll know for sure near end of this week when I go and see it again.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 06:51, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

==Toy shoulders==

:''The configuration for the satellite mode depicted in the toy's instructions is not the way Soundwave appears in the film, featuring a different angling for the panels on his shoulders. It's not a big change, but transforming the toy in accordance with his movie appearance ''does'' help to distinguish the jet from the satellite a little, since otherwise, virtually the only difference is in the positioning of the large panel "wings".''

What, exactly, is that referring to? Although many fans (and the official press photos) skip it, the toy's instructions '''do''' show a change in the shoulder panels' position between the jet and the satellite: that's the only way the satellite's panels plug into them. I tried to look at the shoulders the last time I saw the movie, but they looked like the properly transformed version. Before I just delete that section, can someone show me what I'm missing? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 19:32, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:Essentially, the toy shows the panels folded down against the shoulders - not bent in the middle and actually plugged into the circular grooves as they are for jet and robot modes, but straight, flat and downwardly-pointing. In the film, they're rotated 90 degrees, fanned out, with the large, flat side (with the orange circle) facing outward. Well, inasmuch as what you see in the movie looks anything ''like'' the toy. He's got two panels fanned out on either side of his head. I suppose, though, after a moment of reflection, that his panels shift and move about so much in the film that it might be a bit negligible. It's just that without it, the only difference between the two modes is bending the shoulder panels down a bit and clicking the large wing-panels into them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:42, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==New main picture==

'Rise of the Decepticons' has a good double-page picture of Soundwave hacking into the American satellite, which I feel would be a better choice for main picture as it really embodies his role in the film. Would it be okay to change it, or does TFWiki have an unofficial policy that main pictures have to be of TF's in their robot mode? [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 05:44, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Given that Soundwave doesn't use his robot mode in his most prominent fiction appearance, I think it would be fine if the article's main imagine was of his satellite mode. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Okay, seeing the actual picture in question... I don't think that makes a very good main pic at all. It is dominated by the actual satellite and not Soundwave himself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::I could crop it to focus entirely on Soundwave, although it looks a little odd as his main body is entirely on the left-hand side of the picture unless you crop the right wing too. I'm going to try a version where it's centered on his head and see what people think.[[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:09, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

== Repeat? ==

Did anyone else notice how two of Soundwave's scenes were the same? Specifically, his first appearance, and his last. Anyone? [[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 02:23, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

== Soundwave's Packaging ==
On the back of his packaging it says, "Cannon converts to blade!" Is it me or is there a lack of cannon?
[[User:Boxotron|Boxotron]] 12:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:I believe that comes from ROTF Megatron's packaging? [[Special:Contributions/114.108.194.66|114.108.194.66]] 00:45, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

== New pictures ==

I found the ROTF screenshots from an [http://www.fxguide.com/article551.html FX Guide] interview with [[Digital Domain]]. If anyone could resize the screencaps for me or trim the black bars, since Photoshop doesn't work on my PC, that'd be much appreciated. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:22, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

== Rumble and Laserbeak ==

Should we make seperate pages for Rumble and Laserbeak? The two appeared as pods in the DLC for the game so thy deserve a page! and I don't care if they weren't officially named, half the animated characters are unnamed! like "freeway" "carerra" so lets make a Rumble page and a Laserbeak Page! there is no reason we shouldn't!{{unsigned|92.238.187.82|13:10, September 2, 2009 (EDT)}}
:If pages for them are created with enough effort put into them to make them presentable, they won't be deleted. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Then lets do it!{{unsigned|92.238.187.82|15:07, September 11, 2009 (EDT)}}

They are in Nefarious 1, pictures requested.
-ThiAthEhn

== Is it really necessary? ==

Can we lose the tentacle rape line? What if kids are reading this?
: [[Kiss Players issue 1]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:07, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::What if ''non-Japanese'' kids are reading this? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:13, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::Well, then we'll have to delete all the Kiss Players articles, won't we? I mean, if the word "rape" is unacceptable, then the visuals they include are right out, aren't they? ;-P - '''McFeely, not signed in'''
::::Sweet! Oh... You are being sarcastic. I suggested that a while back but Scout shot the idea down. Personally, I think KP should not be called attention to by linking from completely unrelated articles for the sake of a... joke?. Seriously, I don't think we're doing Hasbro any favors. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Oh, I take no issue with idea of removing the word-linking. Joke works on its own without needing the link. I take issue with the whole "Think of the children!" argument. "What if kids are reading this?" is not a workable argument for removing something from the wiki when official things like ''Kiss Players'' exist. - '''McFeely'''
::::::If Hasbro were that concerned about children stumbling onto "inappropriate" Transformers content, maybe they shouldn't have had that blockbuster movie with the swearing and the humping and the testicles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:08, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::::We totally need a screen shot of the satellite with a caption along the lines of "Why what's such a fine little satellite like you doing all alone out here in space?", also I think my image caption is awesome and it should stay the way it is. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:30, 14 December 2009 (EST)

== Soundwave RPM ==

Why isn't it listed among his toys and merchandise? could someone please give me a coherent answer?.------[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:00, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:"No one has gotten around to it yet". It's been officially revealed, both at Toy Fair 2010 and on [http://bwtf.com/node/1304 BWTF], so that's not an issue in this case. It might simply be a matter of waiting for the Hasbro stock photography to be released. (I forget who does most of the RPM updates... abates or apoc, I think?)
:Anyway, you might try adding "please" next time. Your statement came off as a bit impolite. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:20, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:Sorry, was in a rush, tried to add the toy to the page but remembered to ask first before making any important edit
------[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 01:18, 17 March 2010 (EDT)
::I have already seen the toy in MercadoLibre (the mexican equivalent of eBay) and there's still no photo of RPM Soundwave? BTW, I believe his Legends toy needs a description, I'll take of it later.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:27, 25 May 2010 (EDT)

User talk:Megatron Prime

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Talk:Soundwave (ROTF)

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129.89.158.180: tl;dr

==Toy in stores==
* I just got Soundwave in a shop in Belgium, is that even posible when this page says it's not on shelves now?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:51, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

== Whaa? ==

What happened to my edit? I added a mainpic then it just disappeared {{unsigned|Ikkwave}}

:The picture was crappy so it was removed. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 06:01, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

:Oh ok XD [[User:Ikkwave|Ikkwave]] 01:02, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

== Head in ROTF ==

Anybody else agree on Soundwave's head in the movie actually being that armoured decoy head the toy has on the back? Looking at the toy that matches far more with what I saw on screen, but I'll know for sure near end of this week when I go and see it again.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 06:51, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

-The head in ROTF looks like a cross between the two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:59, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
==Toy shoulders==

:''The configuration for the satellite mode depicted in the toy's instructions is not the way Soundwave appears in the film, featuring a different angling for the panels on his shoulders. It's not a big change, but transforming the toy in accordance with his movie appearance ''does'' help to distinguish the jet from the satellite a little, since otherwise, virtually the only difference is in the positioning of the large panel "wings".''

What, exactly, is that referring to? Although many fans (and the official press photos) skip it, the toy's instructions '''do''' show a change in the shoulder panels' position between the jet and the satellite: that's the only way the satellite's panels plug into them. I tried to look at the shoulders the last time I saw the movie, but they looked like the properly transformed version. Before I just delete that section, can someone show me what I'm missing? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 19:32, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:Essentially, the toy shows the panels folded down against the shoulders - not bent in the middle and actually plugged into the circular grooves as they are for jet and robot modes, but straight, flat and downwardly-pointing. In the film, they're rotated 90 degrees, fanned out, with the large, flat side (with the orange circle) facing outward. Well, inasmuch as what you see in the movie looks anything ''like'' the toy. He's got two panels fanned out on either side of his head. I suppose, though, after a moment of reflection, that his panels shift and move about so much in the film that it might be a bit negligible. It's just that without it, the only difference between the two modes is bending the shoulder panels down a bit and clicking the large wing-panels into them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:42, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==New main picture==

'Rise of the Decepticons' has a good double-page picture of Soundwave hacking into the American satellite, which I feel would be a better choice for main picture as it really embodies his role in the film. Would it be okay to change it, or does TFWiki have an unofficial policy that main pictures have to be of TF's in their robot mode? [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 05:44, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Given that Soundwave doesn't use his robot mode in his most prominent fiction appearance, I think it would be fine if the article's main imagine was of his satellite mode. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Okay, seeing the actual picture in question... I don't think that makes a very good main pic at all. It is dominated by the actual satellite and not Soundwave himself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::I could crop it to focus entirely on Soundwave, although it looks a little odd as his main body is entirely on the left-hand side of the picture unless you crop the right wing too. I'm going to try a version where it's centered on his head and see what people think.[[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:09, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

== Repeat? ==

Did anyone else notice how two of Soundwave's scenes were the same? Specifically, his first appearance, and his last. Anyone? [[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 02:23, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

== Soundwave's Packaging ==
On the back of his packaging it says, "Cannon converts to blade!" Is it me or is there a lack of cannon?
[[User:Boxotron|Boxotron]] 12:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:I believe that comes from ROTF Megatron's packaging? [[Special:Contributions/114.108.194.66|114.108.194.66]] 00:45, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

== New pictures ==

I found the ROTF screenshots from an [http://www.fxguide.com/article551.html FX Guide] interview with [[Digital Domain]]. If anyone could resize the screencaps for me or trim the black bars, since Photoshop doesn't work on my PC, that'd be much appreciated. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:22, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

== Rumble and Laserbeak ==

Should we make seperate pages for Rumble and Laserbeak? The two appeared as pods in the DLC for the game so thy deserve a page! and I don't care if they weren't officially named, half the animated characters are unnamed! like "freeway" "carerra" so lets make a Rumble page and a Laserbeak Page! there is no reason we shouldn't!{{unsigned|92.238.187.82|13:10, September 2, 2009 (EDT)}}
:If pages for them are created with enough effort put into them to make them presentable, they won't be deleted. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Then lets do it!{{unsigned|92.238.187.82|15:07, September 11, 2009 (EDT)}}

They are in Nefarious 1, pictures requested.
-ThiAthEhn

== Is it really necessary? ==

Can we lose the tentacle rape line? What if kids are reading this?
: [[Kiss Players issue 1]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:07, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::What if ''non-Japanese'' kids are reading this? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:13, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::Well, then we'll have to delete all the Kiss Players articles, won't we? I mean, if the word "rape" is unacceptable, then the visuals they include are right out, aren't they? ;-P - '''McFeely, not signed in'''
::::Sweet! Oh... You are being sarcastic. I suggested that a while back but Scout shot the idea down. Personally, I think KP should not be called attention to by linking from completely unrelated articles for the sake of a... joke?. Seriously, I don't think we're doing Hasbro any favors. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Oh, I take no issue with idea of removing the word-linking. Joke works on its own without needing the link. I take issue with the whole "Think of the children!" argument. "What if kids are reading this?" is not a workable argument for removing something from the wiki when official things like ''Kiss Players'' exist. - '''McFeely'''
::::::If Hasbro were that concerned about children stumbling onto "inappropriate" Transformers content, maybe they shouldn't have had that blockbuster movie with the swearing and the humping and the testicles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:08, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::::We totally need a screen shot of the satellite with a caption along the lines of "Why what's such a fine little satellite like you doing all alone out here in space?", also I think my image caption is awesome and it should stay the way it is. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:30, 14 December 2009 (EST)

-I think we should at least remove the line from the main-pic. I think a more appropriate line would be some sort of Space Invaders reference. Thoughts?--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 13:23, 27 July 2010 (EDT)
== Soundwave RPM ==

Why isn't it listed among his toys and merchandise? could someone please give me a coherent answer?.------[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:00, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:"No one has gotten around to it yet". It's been officially revealed, both at Toy Fair 2010 and on [http://bwtf.com/node/1304 BWTF], so that's not an issue in this case. It might simply be a matter of waiting for the Hasbro stock photography to be released. (I forget who does most of the RPM updates... abates or apoc, I think?)
:Anyway, you might try adding "please" next time. Your statement came off as a bit impolite. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:20, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:Sorry, was in a rush, tried to add the toy to the page but remembered to ask first before making any important edit
------[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 01:18, 17 March 2010 (EDT)
::I have already seen the toy in MercadoLibre (the mexican equivalent of eBay) and there's still no photo of RPM Soundwave? BTW, I believe his Legends toy needs a description, I'll take of it later.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:27, 25 May 2010 (EDT)