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User talk:Alientraveller

2009-10-12T19:18:44Z

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Hey, careful with [[Transformers Wiki:Images|the filenames]]. "Image:Deceptirock.jpg|This filename is almost meaningless". --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:49, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

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The note about [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] in the film... Three times to get that right in a few minutes?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:45, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF sections ==

I would take care if I were you when providing ROTF fiction sections, as you've interpreted some scenes incorrectly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:26, 10 July 2009 (EDT)
:Per: Pampage - could you please provide a screenshot? I honestly don't remember seeing two combine (and I saw the movie twice, ''focusing'' on the Constructicons the second time), and ''every other source'' says there's only one Rampage. Looking at Devastator's character model, there doesn't seem to be extra pieces there either, and all of the interviews mentioning Devastator either say six or seven, never eight.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:30, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Yes, likewise, I am not seeing any indication of two Rampages linking together during the combination sequence. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:31, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Fine, let's wait until the DVD is out. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 20:55, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
==Sentinel==
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Sentinel_Prime_%28ROTF%29

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2009-10-12T19:17:38Z

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Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene. While the original thirteen were killed by the Fallen in the comic and novel, there's nothing to confirm Sentinel wasn't a descendant like Optimus. Again, correct me if I'm wrong[[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)

2009-10-12T19:16:19Z

148.197.5.18: New page: Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene User:Eire 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

Do you have a quote of Sentinel being specifically mentioned in the comic? I don't remember anything past the uni scene [[User:Eire]] 20.14 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

Talk:Herald of Unicron

2009-10-12T19:14:11Z

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So, hey. This is entirely copied from Wikipedia. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:13, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
: So, hey, it should go bye-bye or be from-scratch rewritten. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
:: I've replaced the text with a scratch-written stub for the time being. --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 20:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

==Bludgeon et al==
Shouldn't Bludgeon, Dirge and Thunderwing be down, for their stint in the DW Armada comic? [[User:Eire]] 20.12 Oct 12 09

Multiversal singularity

2009-10-12T19:09:22Z

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Across the [[multiverse]], there are [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|many]] [[Megatron (disambiguation)|versions]] [[Starscream (disambiguation)|of]] [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|many]] [[Ultra Magnus (disambiguation)|beings]], each existing independently of each other. They may share similarities, or they may be [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|complete]] opposites, but each is their own unique individual. However, there are a handful of beings of which there is only one, a single entity without a counterpart in the multiverse. Traditionally of great significance, these beings may exist across multiple universes (even all universes) simultaneously yet remain a single individual (as does Primus) or they may only reside in one universe at a time but have the ability to move from universe to universe at will (as does Unicron).

== Multiversal Dynamics ==

The exact nature of Multiversal singularities was expounded on by Hasbro in a recent Q and A response. It is interesting and complex enough to merit reproducing in full:

''"The complex nature of the multiverse demands much from singular creatures like the Fallen, Primus, Unicron, the 13, etc. These beings are of a fundamentally different nature from regular individuals, who are repeated endlessly throughout the infinite variation of creation. They must be designed or evolved to deal with certain situations that would drive lesser beings mad.''

''First of all, time flows differently from dimension to dimension. By necessity, this makes it possible for creatures like the Fallen to appear to exist in two places at the same time. Second, whole new universes are spawned every moment by the resolution of quantum uncertainty. Most of these universes are dead ends that exist for only a few seconds or minutes at most, and encompass only a few critical moments. Therefore, at certain critical junctures, the Fallen becomes a quantum event, experiencing two or more possible outcomes at once, until one of those outcomes proves to be a dead end and collapses. The Fallen then reverts back to the "real" universe. Every story has dozens or hundreds of endings we never see. But the Fallen sees them.''

''One of the side effects of the Fallen's quantum nature is that his appearance changes slightly from dimension to dimension, based on the expectations of others, and the unique history he has (or has not) established in a particular dimension. He is also bound by the "rules" (gravity, magnetism, etc.) of any dimension in which appears – many of which rules he may have actually helped shape when the multiverse was young. So if time flows backwards in a certain dimension, he is bound to live and experience – forgetting as he goes along – everything backwards.''

''Smart and savvy dimensional travelers spend time in reverse timescale dimensions, slow-time dimensions, or dimensions in which time does not move at all. This ensures that even if they are "killed," they continue to exist. As you can see, the idea of sequential experience as you and I understand it is pretty meaningless to guys like the Fallen. He does experience all these things, but his mind operates on a higher order so all of this stuff totally makes sense to him."''

==Known multiversal singularities==
*[[Primus]]
*[[Unicron]]
*[[Vector Sigma]]
*[[Thirteen original Transformers]]
:*[[Prima]]
:*[[Vector Prime]]
:*[[Nexus Prime]]
:*[[The Fallen]]
:*[[Logos Prime]]

[[Category:Biology]]

Talk:Wheelie (G1)

2009-10-12T19:05:52Z

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I applaud the profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::It's amazing how many sentences can rhyme without not making sense. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
: Well, on second thought, I applaud the concept of the bio, but think the content is more appropriate for the animated continuity section. It seems to chronicle the circumstances of the movie, and not his personality. (Remember, in Dreamwave, he was never on Quintessa that we saw.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:Point conceded. The new bio's better than mine anyway. The whole entry is much improved. So many horrible rhymes...bwahahahahaha. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 12:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

We totally need to complete this entry. This deserves to be a Featured Article. sadly, I'm pretty awful about fiction. I OWN most of it, but don't REMEMBER it very well. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Having just rhymed all through the section I just added, I have no idea how Wheelie keeps it up 24/7. Exhausting! --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 09:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Rhyming isn't really all that hard if you have the vocabulary of a bard. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the manga summary to rhyme and keep the gag going. Though I think I write rhymes more like Dr. Seuss than Wheelie...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with the rhyming in the article, but the rhythm really needs work. I'd change it, but I'm afraid of being accused of ripping apart large sections of the article for no good reason (see Walky's comment below).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not yet to be Featured==
Sipher, the reason I unfeatured it is because the inconsistency of the rhyme's meter is really embarrassing. If you read the history, you'll see my note. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Then maybe you should have removed the "Featured Article" Category, which is why I put the tag on it (and is still there as of your last edit). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Indeed I should! Meanwhile, history is your friend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Commercial voice==
Walky, Frank Welker never VOICED Scrappy-Doo! He did, however, voice Peewit. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Welker ''did'' voice Zzcooby & Freddy in new show! [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Italian names==
I don't have the brainpower to add these in rhyme tonight. If somebody could, Wheelie was called Saetta in the dub of TFTM, and... apparently ''Scooter'' in everything else. (At least, it doesn't SEEM to be a joke...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:I apologize. - Chris McFeely, not signed in

== Continuity rhymes ==

"Continuity" doesn't rhyme with "see". [It rhymes with "bitty", to pick an irrelevant-but-accurate example] - 21:39, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:It also rhymes with "enginuity"! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 20:03, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
::Or even "ingenuity"!--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:27, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Ooh! Here's one that's on-topic, "ambiguity"!! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 07:14, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== But seriously, folks... ==

...am I going to be hugely unpopular if I state my belief that the article has, at this point, gone way overboard? Rhymes in the section headers, line-breaks all over the place, rhymes being used to describe continuities where he ''didn't rhyme''... I think that this page has long since crossed the line between "fun" and "taking it way too far". Frankly, I would almost be in favour of scaling it back to just having a rhyming opening and captions. A ''lot'' of the fiction section is, to my eyes, suffering because of the demands of the rhyme scheme. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:11, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:All my hard work...unappreciated...:( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:47, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::But to be serious, I wrote nearly all the rhymes in the fiction portion of the article and created the linebreaks so folks could see the scheme. The rhymes in the fiction headers and continuity notes were some no-username's doing and I've never been very fond of them.
::Still, if many people agree that the humor interferes with the facts, then we can put it to a vote as to whether we get rid of the rhymes in the headers, the rhymes all together or if we just leave it. It may be ''my'' joke, but I'm not going to have a heart attack if others want to change it so it doesn't interfere with the facts (unlike ''some'' members of this Wiki). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:54, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Aw, it's not that it's not appreciated, I see what you were doing, but it's... it's like Bonecrusher hate jokes. We started out with them and they were funny when the article was small but then when it was filled in they got really tiresome but people kept dogpiling 'em on anyway, until we had to say "No more". That's sort of what I'm feeling here. The idea worked when the article was small, but when it's full (which it ''isn't'' yet!) I think it gets in the way more than it is fun. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:56, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I need to concur, although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure. At the very least, his summary. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:20, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::''I need to concur/although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure.''
:::::Why, there's one right there! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:31, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
But this is the most awesome page on the wiki. It's one of the things people think of when they talk about how awesome our wiki is. It's like getting rid of the teacup ride at Disneyland. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:Or the testicles in ROTF. The ''Awesome'' defense only goes so far, especially in Transformers.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a terrible analogy. When people talk about our wiki, they mention our Wheelie article that is all rhymes, and this is a good thing that they think epitomizes what we stand for and why we're better than other wikis. When people talk about Devastator's balls, it's derisively. I don't understand your comparison. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::It's simple - Devastator's testicle's are 'awesome.' Bay thinks so. A lot of the moviegoing public though so. Most 'serious' fans thought otherwise. But an awful lot of people laughed and laughed at them, probably more than will ever read this wiki. Just because one group of people thinks something is awesome doesn't keep it from getting in the way of (imparting information / telling a strong story.) The fandom can be be a bit of an insulated community - an echo chamber, if you will. Pointing to anecdotal evidence one way or the other shouldn't be our benchmark. It's much more useful to go back to core principles.
::::But mostly I was seizing on your use of the word ''awesome'' which has been forever commingled with Bay for me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, I think the charm of us writing articles in the personality of the characters extends to more than just this one. [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Rewind]], etc., for instance. It can actually be weirdly useful sometimes in conveying information about characters without having to spell it out. But, if it's getting in the way of having an actual informative article in any instance, then it ''does'' need toning down. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

::I agree some of the rhyming should go. The headers, external link, notes and voice actor info in rhyme seems redundant to me, if not annoying. I can somewhat dig the argument not to put rhyme in sections of fiction in which he didn't rhyme, although I'd hate to see it go. But what I think would greatly help this article is a better layout. Currently, the article is all rather statically and confusingly "text-humongous white space-pic". I'd like to see it being connected a tad more by switching the text-pic order every second fiction/rhyme-paragraph (as well as having some of the paragraphs expanded). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:48, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::I think all of the ''paragraphs'' should remain in rhyme. Headers, bullet-point "list" items... no. That's overkill. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mark me down as a compromise vote. Ditch the headers/notes, etc rhymes but keep the fiction section poetry. Partly because I spent a lot of time writing most of it, but also because I don't think the fiction poetry really interferes with the knowledge. The headers and stuff is annoying, though. --'''DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)'''
::::I'll agree with that. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:55, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'd quite happily dump the whole joke, which was never that funny. And it does seriously impede the article. '''Vote NO on this from me''' [[User:Eire]] 20.02 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

Dynasty of Primes

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:''The Dynasty of Primes is a group from the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Cyberglyphics Prime Symbol.png|100px|right]]

The '''Dynasty of Primes''' was the ruling class of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] eons ago. Formed by the first [[Thirteen original Transformers|<strike>Thirteen</strike>]] <strike>Seven</strike> rulers of Cybertron, the Dynasty ruled Cybertron and protected the [[All Spark]] until they were betrayed by [[The Fallen|one of their own]].

{{bigquote|Primes are born. Not made.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===IDW Comics===
Eons ago, the All Spark created thirteen beings, the first Cybertronians, who had the ability to move between dimensions. They soon realized that the All Spark's power, though vast, was not infinite, and required the energy of stars to be replenished. Once a nearby star went nova, the All Spark created a worker race, the Transformers, who would assist the Dynasty in replenishing the All Spark. One of the thirteen, later known as the Fallen, betrayed his brothers and tried to steal the power of the All Spark for himself. However, once he had destroyed his brothers' [[sarcophagus|sarcophagi]], he realized that they were able to still act, trapping him in his own sarcophagus. Knowledge of the thirteen faded, and the Dynasty of Primes became little more than a myth. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

Thousands of years later, the [[Science Division]] discovered the Fallen's sarcophagus and the remains of the other Twelve's sarcophagi. As the Fallen influenced [[Lord High Protector]] [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the members of the Science Division, under the direction of their leader [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], studied the remains of the other relics and discovered the [[Cyberglyphics|symbol of the Primes]]. This was the first proof that they had found of the Dynasty, and what's more, the symbol was etched on the head of the Science Division's leader, who was soon dubbed Optimus [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] by his fellow scientists. After the [[Autobot]]s refused to follow Megatron's [[Decepticon]]s, the term Prime came to denote Optimus as leader of the Autobots. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
:''Voice actors:'' [[Michael York]], [[Kevin Michael Richardson]], [[Robin Atkin Downes]] (English), [[Banjō Ginga]], [[Daisuke Gōri]], [[Yasuyoshi Hara]] (Japanese)

At least by 17,000 BC, ancient beings known as the "Seven Primes" reached a solar system in their quest to build a [[Solar harvester]], but they discovered the chosen system contained [[Earth|a life-bearing world]], and so six of the Primes objected to using the harvester on the system's sun. The seventh, however, insisted on using the harvester anyway upon weighing the longevity of his planet and his race against a seemingly meaningless organic world. This Prime quickly turned on his brothers and their creed, waging war against them, with those who agreed with his ideals by his side. After attacking and killing many of his fellow Primes and slaughtering a large number of early [[human]]s he was thereafter ever known as "The Fallen." The remaining Primes mounted an attack on their new nemesis and hid the [[Matrix of Leadership#Live-action film series|Matrix of Leadership]]—without which he could not activate the harvester—in a [[Tomb of the Primes|tomb composed of their own bodies]] on the very planet he sought to destroy, using the last of their energy left from the epic battle to completely seal it.

According to Sam Witwicky, who had absorbed the All Spark, [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] led an expedition where it took him fourteen galactic convergences to get an echo of something, seemingly related to the existence of other dimensions where the theory of relativity was not applicable.

In the present day, their descendant [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] perished in battle whilst protecting the human adolescent [[Sam Witwicky]], the chosen vessel of the All Spark after the Cube's physical destruction. With the seemingly confusing knowledge of an advanced alien civilization in his mind, Sam and his companions set out to find the Matrix of Leadership after learning it might be the only thing that could resurrect Optimus—the last of the Primes—who was the only being who could defeat "The Fallen". Travelling to [[Petra]] in [[Jordan]], Sam discovered the Tomb of the Primes hidden within, quickly discovering the small Matrix. His hopes were soon dampened however, when the artifact crumbled into dust upon it being moved. Nevertheless, he held onto his faith and gathered up the dust in a tattered sock, intending to revive Optimus with it in any way feasible.

[[Image:ROTF_movie_SevenPrimes.jpg|250px|thumb|left|You must avenge my death, Simba—uh, I mean, Sam.]]
During a climactic battle around the Solar Harvester between the [[Autobot]]s and The Fallen's [[Decepticon]] forces, Sam died in an attempt to use the remnants of the Matrix to resurrect Optimus Prime. Appearing to leave his body, the six Primes soon appeared before Sam, telling him that they had been observing him for a long period of time, praising his sacrificial acts to save the last Prime's spark. They pronounced him worthy of receiving the Matrix, revealing to him that it is now never merely found but instead ''earned'', then instantaneously resuscitated him. Brought back to life by the six Primes, he was able to fulfill his destiny by reviving Optimus, propagating the complete destruction of the Solar Harvester and the defeat of "The Fallen" and Megatron. {{Storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{-}}

===Revenge of the Fallen adaptations===

According to [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], the Dynasty of Primes was formed by the first Thirteen Cybertronians. These beings could not transform, but they and their transforming descendants possessed powers beyond that of the average Cybertronian. The Dynasty ruled Cybertron and protected the All Spark, replenishing it with the energy harvested from stars. However, the Dynasty of Primes was also benevolent, believing that all life was sacred, and refused to harvest stars with worlds inhabited by sentient races. However, one of these Primes believed that they should harvest the star [[Sun|Sol]], which promised to yield vast amounts of energy, even though Sol was orbited by a small world with primitive inhabitants, [[human]]s. After this plan was unanimously rejected by the others, this Prime betrayed and killed most of his brothers, but one survived and hid the Matrix of Leadership, the key necessary to activating the [[solar harvester]], in the Tomb of the Primes on [[Earth]]. The Fallen, as the renegade Prime was now known, dispatched the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seeker]]s to retrieve the Matrix, but they were unsuccessful and eventually abandoned. On Cybertron, the Fallen hunted down and killed every last Prime he could find, knowing that they were a threat to him. A single orphan was hidden away with no knowledge of his lineage: Optimus Prime.

In time, The Fallen encountered Megatron, and directed him to form the Decepticons, promising him the powers of a Prime in exchange for his loyalty. When Megatron left Optimus Prime in stasis lock, the last threat to the Fallen was removed, and he prepared for his return to Earth. However, [[Sam Witwicky]], using the knowledge of the All Spark within his mind, found the Matrix in [[Petra]], [[Jordan]]. Unfortunately, it had turned to dust in the millennia in the tomb. When his heart stopped after an attack by Megatron, Sam communed with the [[spark]]s of the Twelve original Primes, who had judged Sam worthy of stewardship of the Matrix, and instructed him to merge the Matrix with Optimus. The Dynasty then returned Sam to life and transferred the knowledge of the All Spark into the restored Matrix. With the Matrix restored, Sam used it to revive Optimus Prime and give him the knowledge of his ancestors. Unfortunately, the Fallen then attacked and stole the Matrix, activating the harvester.

Using parts donated by a critically injured Jetfire, Optimus went to the solar harvester, recovered the Matrix, and confronted the Fallen. In the battle that followed, Optimus proclaimed that the Fallen had forfeited his right to be a Prime when he slaughtered his brothers, and told Megatron that Primes were born, not made. Realizing he had been betrayed, Megatron and Starscream abandoned the Fallen and used the space bridge he had created to escape. Optimus then impaled the Fallen through the head with his own spear. With the death of The Fallen, Optimus Prime became sole inheritor of the Matrix and the last of the Dynasty of Primes. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)}} {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation}}

===Titan Magazines===

The original Transformers are explicitly stated to number only seven. There's also a legend they might actually be created by some guy called [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|The Fallen Profile}}

==Notes==
* The [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation|comic book adaptation]] vary quite differently from the version told in the movie, as they were based on early versions of the final script.
[[Image:RotF The Twelve heads.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Give me your... faces?!]]
*Though barely glimpsed in the film, [[Josh Nizzi]] designed somewhat unique bodies and heads for each of the Twelve during the film's pre-production. Interestingly, ''all'' of them appear to have energy glowing within their armor just as The Fallen does.[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF2.htm]
{{-}}

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Talk:Dynasty of Primes

2009-10-12T18:58:07Z

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... what on earth? Half the stuff in the "Revenge of the Fallen" section doesn't agree with the film version of the events, which are more-or-less chronicled at [[Tomb of the Primes]]. There couldn't have been a lone Prime who hid the Matrix in the Tomb of the Primes when we were shown a group of Primes melding their bodies into slag to MAKE the Tomb of the Primes to hide in the Matrix in the FIRST place. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:26, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:The info I got was from the novelization. If I was wrong, please correct. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:28, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==sol = sun?==
: Do they meen Sun with sol? because if they do meen the sun, ''the sun does not circle the earth''.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:14, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== Merge proposal ==

So where would the combined page go? And how do we reconcile the differences between the movie and the adaptations? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:22, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
:I think it should move to "Prime (ROTF)" so we can describe what a Prime is without starting off with a bias toward one medium or another. And we wouldn't reconcile anything, just describe what a Prime is in the movie and adaptations and leave it all unreconciled like the actual fiction is unreconciled. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:41, 25 July 2009 (EDT)
::I still disagree with the need for a parenthetical. The term "Dynasty of Primes" encompasses every last Prime in the movie continuity. If we're going to merge, go with the official term that is the most inclusive.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

== Name for one of them ==

When Sam starts babbling Cybertronian knowledge in Astronomy class, one of the things that can be heard is "Sentinel Prime expedition." So it's possible one of them was named Sentinel Prime. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:20, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if it was Sentinel. Some of them are probably named things like Prima , Liege Maximo; after the Thirteen basically, except there was just seven instead. [[User:CH|CH]] 12:58, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::The adaptations confirm it was Sentinel.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:49, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Any one in particular, just so we can source it and head-off confusion? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:14, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Both the novelization and issue two of the comic. Also, it just mentions "Sentinel Prime". For all we know, he isn't one of the original founders, and may just be a descendant like Optimus. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:16, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Actually, he says it in the film as well. During the ramble the words Sentinel Prime are very clear, saying he proved something about the other dimensions, something scientific like that. We don't know if he's one of the original 7 or a descendant, but his existence is confirmed [[User:Eire]] 19.56 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

== Mark of the Primes... ==

That funky little symbol at the beginning of the article--I think it's on the left side of movie!Optimus' forehead area, but sometimes it seems to be there and sometimes it isn't! Is this some kind of animation/rendering error? [[User:CH|CH]] 03:45, 12 October 2009 (EDT) (I finally figured out the tildes! Doy!)

Talk:Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)

2009-07-02T13:13:31Z

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== Missing word. ==

"Drug Addicts" should be inserted between now considered by many and to be the critical pinnacle :-) [[User:Chaotic nipple|Chaotic nipple]] 19:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
: I am going to have to ask you to leave. :-) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:: Are you sure about that? If I leave, the halucinatory spiders will come to get you. SPIDERS!!!! [[User:Chaotic nipple|Chaotic nipple]] 03:54, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Comic continuation ==

This became so long so quickly that I'm hesitant to just dump it, but... it shouldn't be here. We have individual story pages (or will) for the comics stories, and that is where their respective summaries should go. This page concerns only the cartoon. The [[Beast Wars]] franchise page provides links to other media of Beast Wars.

Also, none of the summarizing is written in the proper voice. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Additionally, I strongly contest the claims made by ShadowHawk that Beast Machines is ignored by most fans, or that the IDW series is considered the "real" followup by most fans, so I removed the part about BM also. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:08, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::Indeed. I intended to remove that but failed to. Thank you. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Ok I admit you guys have valid points, but honestly though Beast Machines is ignored, especially with Beast Wars: Ascending series...nothing of the Beast Machinese Saga was mentioned or continued through that series and honestly i've examined Beast Machines and it poorly reflects Beast Wars. Rhinox turning evil!? Megatron just happen to get lost in the warp portal and managed to get through ahead of time than the Maximals and already enslaved call of Cybertron to Vechicons!? The whole thing sounds crappy, but you guys are right so when are you guys able to start an article about the Beast Wars comic then? Here's the origninal wiki page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beast_Wars:_The_Gathering Beast Wars: The Gathering] -ShadowHawk

:Untrue, the moon from Beast Wars has appeared elsewhere! ^_^
:Seriously though, BM -> Universe -> Fun Pub. Characters originating with Beast Machines are ''still in circulation''. (Well, okay, I admit Sentinel Maximus isn't in circulation ''now'', but he was up until the current arc, which continues directly from a story where he ''was'' running around.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Shadowhawk, we don't need to "start" an article about it... we already ''have'' pages about [[The Gathering]], both as a series, and individual articles for each issue. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::Steve took my main point, but I also want to re-iterate that Beast Machines being "ignored" needs to be substantiated if it's going to be included here. It sounds like a statement of canonical fact, which to my knowledge is not true. If you're just stating your opinion about BM... this really isn't the place for it. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 04:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:well pointed out, but whatever word you choose "ignore", "void", "revamp"..this whole matter is argumentative on that level because the fans are divided about what's canonical...in reality whoever owns the license rights tends to choose the direction of the series and have creative rights to change what has already happened, just look at Highlander 2...the hardcore fans hated it and it was redone several times because it was considered by majority that bad and I admit that I'm biased against Beast Machines cause i really think the story was poorly written however i never once thought about adding my personal feelings or opinions into this...IDW created a story line parallel to Beast Wars about time contamination and so you might say Beast Machines did happen, but because of Razor Beast's and Magmatron's interference with the time line is yet again further changed so it might be one of those time paradox's where it did happen, but it's been erased. Either way I understand your positions and honestly guys i tried looking for that "The Gathering" page but nothing surfaced on this site other than wikipedia's version online so i thought no one added it in. You guys made a fair call so i'm not going to challenge it, but I did write it based on the powers that control the direction of the Beast Wars universe currently and not in the past. I don't know about you guys, but those that control the license has a say what's canonical or not and right now the miniseries is by all technicality canonical. I apologize if i angered anyone, but seriously Beast Machines was like the Van Damne Street Fighter movie to me. There were some serious canonical flaws in there and that's why i'm "up in arms" with it and I don't mean to offend.-ShadowHawk

::Whoah, whoah, hold on, there. Nobody's offended; calm down. The thing is, while:

::1) Beast Machines garnered a poor initial reaction, and
::2) IDW's comics may propose an alternate set of sequel-events for BW,

::We cannot substantially say that 2) happened because of 1). I haven't READ the BW comics yet, and neither our article nor Wikipedia's seems to detail exactly what about it even contradicts BM.

::If I've missed a point, then I apologize. Your sentence structure is a little hard to read. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:46, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Beast Machines is monumentally important to the overall franchise. Most of what we know about sparks and the Matrix/Allspark came from there. "The Gathering"'s franchise contributions amount to the novelty of seeing Razorbeast standing up and talking. Honestly, I think new would-be contributors should make an effort to read up on things like [[Canon]] and [[continuity families]] before they make proclamations about such on main article pages.
--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The allspark thing was a canon conflict in it's own right. People tend to forget a certain race of 4 headed floating bots with tentacles are the progenitors of the transformers race. If you looked to the original series and compared to Beast Machines then you know that the spark concept was only a recent addition to give transformers a "soul." Robert N. Skir created that conflict by explaining that transformers have their own version of life, death, and reincarnation. However if you've watched every transformers so far they don't reborn any means smarter or experienced than they are. Look at Cheetor, does the man look any way experienced to you? I don't have a problem with the spark concept, it help explains a lot...however with the Quintessons and Allspark it's a complete conflict of story and logic behind transformer origins and physiology. I rather stick to the original story that the Quintessons were overthrown by their own creations versus the Allspark. With the Allspark, it suggests no matter how many transformers you can muster, there will always be a population limit to their growth. To even create more transformers would mean the older generation must be wiped cause no transformer dies of old age, only when destroyed. I like the idea that a transformer can be built from tools and machines versus needing a powerful device glowing over a technological objects to be born, but that's just me -ShadowHawk

:None of these discrepancies are unique to Beast Machines. Are you familiar with the [[List of Generation 1 comics|G1 comic]] continuity? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 07:46, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

you're right these issues aren't just unique to beast machines but i was making a point to the other dude that argued the allspark was a great explanation to the more spiritual side of the transformers universe through beast machines...like i said before it's origins are very argumentative cause whoever has the rights to publish transformers stuff can say anything they want. If you're going comic on me, then it totally changes or dismiss the quintessons significance depending on which series or issue. Same goes with Primus as the "god" of transformers. I'm just trying to prove my point of the canonical errors within Beast Machines and it's rough relation with G1. Oh you know me by now, very hardcore when it comes to the supposed "true" history of transformers. If they say the Allspark was something the Quintessons left behind in their creation of the transformers then that would explain so much and i would totally shut my mouth up.- shadowhawk

:Your arguments do not make any sense. Your primary objection to Beast Machines now seems to be that it has some conflicts with the G1 cartoon, as if the G1 cartoon is the only true continuity, or as if the Beast shows even ''claimed'' that they were in the same continuity as the G1 cartoon, which they most definitely did not. The Beast Wars writers repeatedly stated that their series was set in ''neither'' the G1 cartoon nor the G1 comic continuity. BW and BM are set in a ''new continuity'' which is very similar to the G1 cartoon but with some notable differences, some drawn from the comics, and some entirely from the writers' imaginations. This is why we always list the Beast era fiction as its own tree instead of placing it under G1, even though the Beast fiction is part of the G1 continuity family. Additionally, if all it would take to satisfy you is for a canonical source to claim "oh, yeah, the Quints left the Allspark there or something" then there is obviously no actual conflict. You can just assume that yourself. It is not canonically true without being stated by the fiction, but that is the case for a lot of stuff we all take for granted, such as (to pick an old example) that G1 cartoon Bumblebee does not frequently murder humans when he is off-camera. If two pieces of fiction are in conflict, but there is a simple and obvious solution, then take it. Your arguments make it sound as if you need to read the [[continuity]] and [[canon]] articles so you can drop this "hardcore" outlook on the "true" history. That outlook is completely indefensible. Transformers fiction is a horrendous mishmish of conflicting alternate universes which frequently bleed out retcons into each other, and not everything is descended from the one continuity that you happen to like most. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 13:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC) 

::Indeed. I was going to say, basically, what Steve said. You argue that Beast Machines does not fit in with the "canon" history of the Transformers, but Transformers does not have a "canon". There are too many conflicting histories, and there have been since the beginning. All we have are "official", ie, Hasbro-Takara-approved, and "non-official".
::Furthermore, you seem to be taking the G1 cartoon as "canon", but that is totally arbitrary. You might argue it has more weight than the comics because it was arguably more widely-known, but that would not explain the presence of comic elements in later stories.
::The simple fact of the matter is, there is no story "canon", by definition, other than the real-world history of the toy franchise. For us to choose any one show or comic book or anything else over the other would a) be completely arbitrary, and b) be completely personal opinion, directly contradicting the purposes of an encyclopedia. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I would suggest also looking into the difference between [[canon]] and [[personal canon]], as you seem to be confusing the former for the latter. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 18:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Ai guys I already told you this whole thing is argumentative and while I admit i have my likes/dislikes in "what works for me," i remember somewhere in Hasbro that "tied" in the the whole thing even though it wasn't supposed to work out. I already said I didn't try to personalize or add anything intentionally biased. For the G1 comics I was too young to appreciate them so I can't really sufficiently argue there cause I was still in my diapers when that happened and so it never occurred to me how relevant the comic version was since all I know is the popularity of the cartoon and toyline following up to recent modern comic works. I'm more sufficient in the recent works of the comics and only G1 toon, the G1 comics is one aspect I can't say much since I only know scraps from the republished versions. I had a friend that got some of them, but it's hard on the eyes with their dot coloring scheme like the papers. It's nice to meet other guys that know so much, steve i also had a little trouble following you at times to retort and it's been a pleasure debating with you guys. Keep contributing!-shadowhawk

:I have trouble following you, at times, too. However, I am glad this has all ended amiably. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Character List ==

Hmm, I was limiting the list to characters with speaking parts (and not recordings, Like Megatron G1). I'll grant the protohumans, since they go "ook" a lot, but if we let in Snowstalker, are there other non-speaking animals we should include? Or should we leave her out?
[[User:JW|JW]] 17:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

== Japan Release Dates ==

Are we ''certain'' of the Japanese release dates of 1997 and 1999? [[User:JW|JW]] 13:52, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:In Japan, [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%93%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA_%E8%B6%85%E7%94%9F%E5%91%BD%E4%BD%93%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC the first season] was on air during September, 1997 to March, 1998; while [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%93%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BA%E3%83%A1%E3%82%BF%E3%83%AB%E3%82%B9_%E8%B6%85%E7%94%9F%E5%91%BD%E4%BD%93%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC the second and third seasons] were on air during October, 1999 to March, 2000. -- [[User:TX55|TX55]] 14:10, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

== First CG Show ==

''"Beast Wars is the first fully CGI TV-show in the world. Yesss."'' 
Wouldn't that be ''Reboot'', which came out the year before BW? [[User:JW|JW]] 16:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Quebec dub ==

Did the series ended in Quebec or did it stop at the second season like in France ? Since the French dub was the only french-speaking one (unlike the G1 cartoon with two different dubs), I guess it stopped the same way, but it is not explained by the trivia. Could anybody confirm this ?--[[Special:Contributions/213.213.238.210|213.213.238.210]] 06:27, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

==Expanded critic/reception==

Just think it might be interesting [[User:Eire|Eire]] 14.13 July 02 (UTC)

Talk:Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)

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The introductory text to this series is unnecessarily spun negatively against the series. The series had its good and bad moments, and was definitely geared toward a much younger audience than the Beast-era series had. What some in the fandom view as mediocrity others may appreciate or enjoy. I'm attempting to edit the intro text to satisfactorily represent both viewpoints. [[User:Aurax|Aurax]] 15:27, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== Following up on that. ==

I agree with Aurax' sentiments... but as of July '06, the series overview segment is still spun against the show. I've tried to really make it more impartial now.

==Animation studio?==
According to the credits, Dongwoo animation is listed but they're under "production collaboration" (製作協力). So, under "|animation studio="? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:11, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

:Of the companies you've been crediting under "production company", both NAS and Studio Gallop are animation studios. Dongwoo is noted on Wikipedia as as "work for hire" studio for Studio Gallop. Presumably they shared the workload to some extent. Do the Car Robots credits differ by episode or are they like the RiD credits?

:Unhelpfully RiD credits the show as being "produced by" Nihon AD Systems and doesn't mention Studio Gallop or Dongwoo at all! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:48, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

:Perhaps of note, Studio Gallop's web page [http://www.anime-gallop.co.jp/works/list05.html lists Car Robots] among their works. I couldn't find it listed on NAS or Dongwoo's sites. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:12, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
::Opening credits are usually the same, but the end credits is where the differences are (i.e., voice actors). I'll have to check what few CR epsiodes I have. *furrows brow* Although I suppose Studio Gallop makes the most sense to be put under "animation studio" to an extent... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 07:10, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

==Reception/Criticism==
Should there be a section dealing with this? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 14.12 July 02 (UTC)

Convention

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A '''convention''' is an annual gathering of fans, collectors, and creators of various types of media. Common types of conventions spotlight toys, comic books, anime, sci-fi, and the like.

Transformer-themed conventions have been occurring regularly since the early 1990s, and continue to grow in popularity. These usually feature various guests, including voice actors, writers, [[Comics|comic]] & cartoon creators, and [[Hasbro]] representatives. They also include a stunning array of vendors buying & selling Transformers (and other non-TF transforming-robot) toys from every part of the world.

Conventions also typically sell or distribute "[[exclusive]]" merchandise that is available only to attendees, including toys, [[Comics|comic books]], artwork, clothing, and various giveaways.

==Official Transformer conventions==
*[[BotCon]]
*[[The Official Transformers Collectors Convention]] (OTFCC)

==Unofficial Transformers conventions==
A great many [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial ''Transformers'' conventions]] have popped up over the course of years as the fandom continues to grow.

{{note|See the "unofficial conventions" page for more details}}
*BotCon 2004 (no, really!)
*Cybercon
*Dairycon
*Iacon One
*Transcon
*TFcon (Formerly TransformersCon)
*Auto Assembly

[[Category:Conventions]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

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'''Drones''' are a type of non-[[spark]]ed transformer in the [[live-action film series]]

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==See also==
* [[Class Alpha drone unit]]
* [[Class Beta drone unit]]

[[Category: Live-action film series]]

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

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Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? {{unsigned|Godziboy1993}}
:They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. [[User:Godziboy1993|Godziboy1993]] 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.
:Because it is '''illegally acquired information'''. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases ''official photographs'' of the toys. To find out more, refer to [[Help:Official info]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Paramount pictures cast list. ==

[http://l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/83/a2/9019_3705651155.jpg?y=660&x=616&q=75&n=0&sig=Zvqw8NxIBWHyJFhaLEhOeQ-- This poster] looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. {{unsigned|GUIGUI|17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT}}
::I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?{{unsigned|Godziboy1993|19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT}}
:Who knows? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Japanese world premiere. ==

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are <nowiki>[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]</nowiki>? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:You'd better be joking. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transmitter at official site==

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==How about an actual article?==
This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

:In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.
:That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've ''seen them in the trailer''. '''ETA:''' If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

::At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the ''content of the fiction itself'' and ''the characters'' starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

==UK Release 19th June = World Premiere==
As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan ==

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Score==
Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at [http://www.amazon.de/Transformers-Revenge-Fallen-Score/dp/B002DDIXLA/ref=sr_shvl_album_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245109298&sr=301-2 Amazon Germany's listing]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no" ==

Source: [http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Press conference from German premiere]

Translation:

:''Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.''

:''But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.''

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

:What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.{{unsigned|173.11.36.165|10:02, 24 June 2009}}
::You are [[wikipedia:Bundeswehr|mistaken]], sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Errors and Inconsistencies==
I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Basic outline here: [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline]]. Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unnamed Decepticons ==

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was ''incredibly'' lax on providing names for characters.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Mysterious voice credits ==
Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -[[User:LV|LV]] 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --
:::Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be ''that'' odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)[[User:Eire]] 15.57 25th June 09

:Reedman ''has'' to be the raptor-like thing formed by the [[Marble bot|Marble bots]]. He's a reed-thin man.
:Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''Skip''jack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... ''*runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*''
::::No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.
::::Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::As it transpires, yes. [http://www.aciphex.com/ This interview] (search for "Skipjack") makes it pretty clear that Skipjack was the working name for the red bulldozer identified onscreen as Rampage. So it's a Demolishor/Wheelbot situation, apparently. Disappointing resolution, especially since it still leaves us with two bulldozers named Rampage. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I.... theeeenk you may have got your link wrong, there? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[https://www.editorsguild.com/FromtheGuild.cfm?FromTheGuildid=84 He probably meant this one.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::THe sad thing is that I can't even come up with a funny rationale for the link to AcipHex here. (I was originally linking it elsewhere because the TV won't stop telling me to try Ass Effects - guess it stayed in my clipboard.) FAiled. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance''
:::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/41048.html Some douchebag] posted bootleg screencaps of the Laurentian Abyss sequence on his blog.
:::While not appropriate for inclusion here as a ''primary source'', useful for IDing nonetheless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I should probably post what I did on LJ here. Re: the last photo - those claws don't look anything alike. That's no game-only generic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And ''I'' should probably post what I did on LJ here. The game-model and movie-model for Constructicon Scout are different (thus the clamps not matching) but Constructicon Scout is ''definitely'' in the movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Cs_scrapper.jpg|thumb]]
:::As Walky so bluntly put it-- "It's scrapper."
:::Or rather- the Constructicon Scout is based on Scrapper. An extra layer of confusion is added because the Scrapper toy lacks the giant arms that the CS has-- ''and'' [http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzji3l.gif the character in the movie has]. But since there's only one Scraper toy that Transformes, apparently we're treating his truncated arms as a concession to toy engineering.
:::So would it be ''more accurate'' to say that Scrapper ''is'' a Constructicon Scout? Or is physically identical to them? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:06, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
I don't know if this helps, but in the somewhat inaccurate comic version of the movie, Ravage, Long Haul, and Scrapper are clearly seen jumping off the boat, so it may mean Scrapper is "the little one?[[Special:Contributions/71.199.127.210|71.199.127.210]] 13:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==It's UpGrade Time==
So, can we start working on this now or what? [[User:Eire]] 12.44 June 24 09
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Foreign titles ==

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: They shouldn't be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:: The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::: That's different enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::: Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.[[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trivia cull ==

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it ''should'' be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Not-Bonecrusher ==

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually [[Constructicon Scout]]. Is that a safe guess to go with? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
: I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:: I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.[[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::It was definitely a use of the CGI Bonecrusher model in robot mode. [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*swears*</nowiki> I was hoping it was the Constructicon Scout, but he has a different robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You can definitely see Bonecrusher's vehicle mode rolling in with the other Decepticons. I don't recall seeing his robot mode, but then again, he looks quite similar in robot mode to a bunch of Constructicons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:42, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
So I saw it again in IMAX. That's definitely Bonecrusher rolling in.
# His remains weren't among those being disposed of after the first movie.
# We've got a toy bio stating he survived.
# He's ''in'' the ^&*( second film.
Baring Hasbro releasing a redeco and declaring this a new character, it looks like Bonecrusher really ''did'' survive. And until that happens, I'm going with the face-value reading and removing the "a Bonecrusher lookalike" note in the cast list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Good points! I agree. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:05, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. I think "a toy bio stating he survived" is completely irrelevant, as we got one of those for Jazz, too. That was definitely Bonecrusher's vehicle mode in ROTF, but I sure as hell don't think it was actually Bonecrusher, any more than I think that the helicopter was Blackout. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That is your personal canon. The fiction says otherwise. The toy bio is completely irrelevant iff it contradicts the movies. This time the movies back it up. It is willful blindness to say Bonecrusher isn't in the movie when he is right there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's willful blindness to assume similar alt means same guy, in a movie where a guy with Blackout's body-type is quite prominent. G1 colourd Jazz's bio says he survives. Brawl's got a ROTF repaint. He was decapitated and had his whole head smashed in. He's dead Jim. Writing a whole section of fiction you made up on Bonecrusher's page is madness. Give the toy bio it's own section and a note that we see his vehicle mode among the protoforms and leave it at that. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 15.28 30 June 09 (UTC)

== Character profiles ==

I'm starting to see descriptions of the character's movie role around the wiki. Is this okay yet? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:32, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:So long as you use the proper spoiler tags.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::What about the articles that have the "do not add information" tags? Can we start to take those down? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The coming soon tags? Yeah, those were just waiting for the film release.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Our policy on new releases is that if the media has been officially released in a language you can understand, you are well within your rights to be write up a summary, as long as you put up a spoiler tag. Like Wikipedia, we urge people to be bold, but be smart. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:55, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== More Quotes ==

What other quotes do you want to use (i.e: "I RISE, YOU FALL." from Optimus Prime)?
: I really don't think the umpteenth regurgitation of the TFTM-quote-that-will-not-die is worth singling out for praise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Five/Six Contacts Error==
Wouldn't this NOT be an error, since Ravge ejected Scalpel from his chest, thereby replacing Hightower? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|07:44, 28 June 2009}}
:You mean Scrapper, who was the one killed. And yeah, that's what I thought while watching the film, though I wondered if Scalpel was actually large enough to register? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::HAY GUYS - Hightower and Scrapper WEREN'T EVEN THERE. Four Constructicons jumped in - Red Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Small Excavator Guy. Unnamed dude was killed. Megatron, Scalpel and Ravage make six contacts surfacing.
::: Ahem, from Scalpel's page "...Using parts "donated" by Hightower..."
::: Anywho, the point is, wouldn't Scalpel's presence nullify the error? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|08:41, 28 June 2009}}
::::It is neither Scrapper nor Hightower. I have since edited articles and have removed the error. The unnamed is a small Volvo excavator similar to Demolishor's vehicle mode as he was incorrectly depicted in the ROTF adaptation comic. It did not look like Hightower's truss crane. Also, sign off on your comments, it is difficult to know who is saying what. See the signature button next to the crossed out W? Click that. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:24, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Adding extra confusion: The possibility that the extra reading was Blackout.
:::::On my second viewing, it really looks like The Doctor ''strikes'' the shard in Megatron's chest rather than permanantly inserting it. Maybe they ''did'' revive Blackout. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:18, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Grindor's from space. Megatron left the Constructicons, Ravage, and the Doctor far behind on Earth, and he traveled allll the way up to Saturn to visit the Nemesis. And what's he find in the Nemesis? Starscream and hatchlings. And next we see Megatron on Earth, he's with Starscream. And another guy. That guy was a hatchling. That guy was Grindor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::He's also with The Doctor, who should be with Ravage and the Constructicons.
:::::::I don't actually think the Helicopter ''is'' Blackout-- I mean he has a '''different altmode''' fergods sake. If Bay intended it to be Blackout he'd have used the same helicopter, regardless whether it'd been retired or not. And anyway- HASBRO clearly thinks that's Grindor.
:::::::I'm just trying to figure out what might've been goign through the movie production's head with that funny number. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I imagine they filmed the blips on the radar approximately nine months before animating/rendering/writing the scene of the guys underwater. WHOOPS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Given that they went to the trouble of getting Welker for Soundwave and the forgot to put a vocoder over him, I could believe it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:46, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Though considering Welker apparently didn't like what the G1 cartoon did to his Soundwave voice, it's possible he asked Bay to not process it, and Bay was cool with that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:23, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Graham ==

Whatever happened to that Agent Graham guy. Was he even in it? He is still in the credits on the official ROTF website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Wasn't he that one British guy with NEST? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:49, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, he wore a brown beret. [[Special:Contributions/79.68.235.108|79.68.235.108]] 16:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::He's the Tom Cruise lookalike with about three lines.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:25, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And he wasn't an "agent", he was supposedly a member of the SASF, a fictionalized version of the Special Air Service. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Frenzy's head ==
This error keeps on getting added/deleted endlessly, some official consensus would be good. His head didn't blow up, it was sliced it half, so it's not terribly unreasonable that the two pieces were glued or welded back together. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:06, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

I happen to have a downloaded version of Revenge of The Fallen (I DID go to the movie, and I AM going to buy the dvd, so stop whining!), would you like me to make some screencaps and upload them?
(Particularly Reedman and Arcee miss clear images){{unsigned|ThiAthEhn|13:58, 1 July 2009}}
:The enthusiasm and offer of help are appreciated, but unfortunately screencaps from a pirated download would get us in deep doo-doo. Thanks for asking before uploading, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::To elaborate, we have a policy against using images or information from unofficial, leaked or stolen sources, which obviously includes screencaps from a blurry camjob of Revenge of the Fallen. The DVD will be out in 3-4 months anyway. We can wait. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::We could use screens taken from the trailers and released clips and such though right? Or realsed screencaps? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)

== Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center location ==

Regarding the grafting of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center] to the Boneyard: it should be noted that the UHC is in ''Chantilly, VA'', rather outside of Washington, DC proper. There is actually more space next to the hangar, where Jetfire would have exited if they didn't have the compositing transition to the Boneyard. However, while the area's grassy and flat, it's surrounded by small chunks of forest (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dulles_Tower_360.JPG], it looks right out over the hangar entrance he would have exited from), and is further connected to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Dulles_International_Airport Dulles Airport] in the distance. :) I can only assume they went with the visual assumption that "hey, it's a museum, they'd have lots of mothballed planes around, and what's there right now is boring", but that's purely speculation on my part. Either way you slice it, it's still an "error"...

I just find this amusing, given that the UHC is one of the IMAX theaters where ROTF is being ''shown''... :) [[Special:Contributions/96.231.155.47|96.231.155.47]] 22:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Caption theme==
Since the first film used a TF:TM theme, why not use the abandoned Star Wars theme here. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-07-02T12:40:35Z

148.197.5.18: /* Full synopsis */ Eire. Can't log in

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'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''''' is the first of two planned sequels to ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''. It was released in North America on [[June 24]], 2009.

{{quote|Revenge is mine!|The Fallen, ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

:''Japanese title:'' '''''Transformers: Revenge'''''
:''French title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Revanche''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge'')
:''German title:'' '''''Transformers: Die Rache''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''Polish title:'' '''''Transformers: Zemsta Upadłych''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Ones'')
:''Italian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Vendetta del Caduto''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Serbian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: Najveće govno ikada''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Spanish title:'' '''''Transformers: La Venganza de los Caídos''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Ones'')
:''Russian title:'' '''''Transformery: Mest' Padshikh''''', cyrillic: '''''Трансформеры: Месть падших''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Ones'')

==Main cast==
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]]) (4)
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]]) (6)
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey DeLisle]]) (8)
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] ([[André Sogliuzzo]]) (9)
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] ([[Tom Kenny]]) (10)
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ([[Reno Wilson]]) (11)
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (13)
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]]) (15)
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]]) (17)
*[[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]] (18)
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] ([[Mark Ryan]]) (38)
|c2=
*[[The Fallen]] ([[Tony Todd]]) (1)
*[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] ([[Calvin Wimmer]]) (6)
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] (7)
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (16)
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] (20)
*[[Reedman]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (21)
*[[Alice]] ([[Isabel Lucas]]) (25)
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] ([[Kevin Michael Richardson]]) (26)
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] (27)
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]] (28)
*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]] (29)
*[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]] (30)
*[[Scalpel]] ([[John Di Crosta]]) (31)
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]]) (32)
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charlie Adler]]) (33)
*[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (35)
*[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] ([[Frank Welker]]) (39)
*[[Protoform]] army (42)
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] (43)
*An [[Mine-protected vehicle Decepticon|unnamed Decepticon]] (44)
|c3=
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]]) (2)
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]]) (3)
*[[Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]]) (9)
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]]) (10)
*[[Ron Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]]) (11)
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]]) (14)
*[[General Morshower]] ([[Glenn Morshower]]) (16)
*[[Theodore Galloway]] ([[John Benjamin Hickey]]) (19)
*[[Leo Spitz]] ([[Ramon Rodriguez]]) (22)
*[[Fassbinder]] ([[Jonathon Trent]]) (23)
*[[Sharsky]] ([[Walker Howard]]) (24)
*[[Professor Colan]] ([[Rainn Wilson]]) (34)
*[[Tova Simmons]] ([[Annie Korzen]]) (36)
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]]) (37)
|c4=
*[[Appliancebot]]s (12)
*[[Seven Primes|Prime #1]] ([[Michael York]]) (45)
*[[Seven Primes|Prime #2]] ([[Kevin Michael Richardson]]) (46)
*[[Seven Primes|Prime #3]] ([[Robin Atkin Downes]]) (47)
}}

==Technical details==
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==Short synopsis==
[[Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|right|250px|thumb|For dry, red eyes, the difference is clear: Clear Eyes.]]

The Autobots have found a home in "NEST", a secret military unit created to seek out and eliminate the remaining Decepticons. All is not well, however. Unbeknownst to them, Soundwave is in orbit, coordinating the Decepticon counterstrike. After Ravage steals the Allspark shard from NEST, a team of Constructicons and The Doctor journey to the bottom of the ocean and use it revive Megatron. The Decepticon leader journeys to the crashed Nemesis, rebukes Starscream, and meets with his master, The Fallen.

The Fallen explains that he had constructed a Solar Harvester on Earth, in violation of the Primes' code to never harm an inhabited planet. The Primes turned on him, banished and imprisoned him. However the Harvester still stands, and only one Prime remains. If Megatron destroys Optimus Prime, The Fallen will be freed to activate the Harvester, which will kill off the humans and provide the Decepticons with enough energon to raise an army. Megatron eagerly agrees, and returns to Earth with a vengeance.

It transpires that the location of the Harvester is hidden within Sam Witwicky, who absorbed the knowledge from another Allspark fragment. The Decepticons begin an all-out war across the Earth as they hunt down the human, and the Autobots and NEST are blamed for the ensuing carnage. Witwicky goes to ground, and must turn to unlikely allies in the race to find a solution. Ultimately, the last of the Primes defeats The Fallen, destroys the Harvester, and proves the Transformers' greatest power is found in their unexpectedly-ancient alliance with the humans.

==Full synopsis==

{{stub|This is really more a quick rundown. Consider the size of the LAM full synopsis.}}
In 17,000 B.C., Transformers already were on Earth and built a machine.

Two years after the battle of [[Mission City]], the Autobots have teamed up with the American soldiers, including [[William Lennox|Lennox]] and [[Robert Epps|Epps]], in a secret team named [[NEST]] under the command of the [[United States military|US military]], but also incorporating soldiers from other countries such as the United Kingdom. Officially, the US government still keeps the Transformers' existence a secret. In Shanghai, [[China]], NEST tracks down the Decepticons [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and kill them. Just before he is killed by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], Demolishor delivers a cryptic message that someone named "[[The Fallen]]" will rise again.

Meanwhile, [[Sam Witwicky]] is preparing for his move to college when he finds a shard of the [[All Spark]] which brings numerous kitchen devices to life. After [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] has destroyed the kitchen robots (and parts of the Witwickys' house with them), Sam hands the All Spark shard to [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]]. He then tells Bumblebee to stay behind, since he isn't allowed to have a car at college.

Arriving at college, Sam meets his roommate, [[Leo Spitz]], who operates a [[The Real Effing Deal|conspiracy website]] and is convinced that alien robots are hiding on Earth. At a frat party, Sam also meets his fellow student [[Alice]], who attempts to seduce Sam. Whens Bumblebee shows up, she takes a ride with Sam, but Bumblebee does everything he can to convince her to leave. Bumblebee then takes Sam to Optimus Prime, who is convinced—for some reason—that Sam is in danger.

Meanwhile, NEST is visited by National Security Advisor [[Theodore Galloway]], who is convinced that the only reason the new Decepticons have come to Earth is because the Autobots are still there. Therefore, he suggests that they may leave the planet. When Galloway reveals the location of the All Spark shard Optimus Prime had picked up after killing [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] over an unsecure line, the transmission is picked up by [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], who is stationed in orbit around Earth, disguised as a satellite. Soundwave promptly sends his minion [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] to Earth, where he he infiltrates the NEST base on Diego Garcia and steals the shard. Ravage and several [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]] then dive to the bottom of the [[Laurentian Abyss]], where the US military has dumped Megatron's remains. Using the shard and spare parts from one of the Constructicons (who is presumably killed), [[Scalpel|"The Doctor"]] is able to revive Megatron, who promptly travels to one of [[Saturn]]'s moons, where the [[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]] is used as a base by the Decepticons. He is awaited by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and his master, The Fallen.

[[Image:ROTF_Optimus_vs_Grindor.jpg|right|thumb|300px|This scene sold so many toys.]]

Meanwhile, Sam is starting to see [[Cyberglyphics|strange symbols]], and believes it may have something to do with him touching the All Spark shard. When he calls Mikaela to warn her not to touch it, a Decepticon named [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]], disguised as a remote-controlled toy pickup, tries to steal the shard, but is captured by Mikaela. Mikaela promtply boards a plane to see Sam, but whens he arrives, she finds him in what appears to be an intimate moment with Alice. It soon turns out, however, that Alice is a Decepticon as well. Mikaela, Sam and Leo, who has stumbled across her robotic self by coincidence, try to escape, but are captured by the Decepticons. Megatron orders "The Doctor" to remove Sam's brain in order to access the information from the All Spark shard, but Optimus Prime and Bumblebee have managed to locate them and free Sam, Mikaela and Leo. Together, they attempt to flee, but in order for Sam to escape, Optimus Prime has to fight Megatron, Starscream and [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] all by himself. After killing Grindor, Optimus is impaled by Megatron and dies. Just then, the other Autobots arrive, causing Megatron and Starscream to retreat.

In a hijacked TV broadcast, The Fallen reveals his existence to the world public and demands Sam to be surrendered to him. Decepticons land around the globe, killing several thousand people. In Paris, one of them tracks down Sam's parents, [[Ron Witwicky|Ron]] and [[Judy Witwicky]]. Galloway uses the attacks an as excuse to shut down NEST and have the Autobots placed under guard, while a manhunt begins for Sam.

Sam, meanwhile, is hiding out with Mikaela, Leo, Bumblebee and the Autobot twins, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]. Leo eventually suggests they may ask his rival, "[[Robo-Warrior]]", owner of a [[GiantEffingRobots.com|competing website]], for help. To everyone's surprise, Robo-Warrior turns out to be non other than [[Seymour Simmons]], former agent of [[Sector Seven]]. Simmons reveals that symbols similar to those Sam is obsessed with have been found on numerous excavation sites around the world, but in order to read them, they may need a Decepticon. Mikaela then interrogates Wheelie, who suggests they may track down one of the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]]. At the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, they discover an old Decepticon named [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], disguised as an SR-71 Blackbird.

Jetfire claims he has defected to the Autobots and tells them about The Fallen, who betrayed his brothers, the [[Seven Primes|Primes]], many millennia ago. The Fallen intends to destroy the Earth's sun in order to create [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]], the Transformers' source of energy. The symbols in Sam's head are a map to the location of the [[solar harvester]], the weapon the Fallen intends to use to destroy the sun. Jetfire also reveals that only a Prime can stop The Fallen, and a key is needed to activate the Harvester, the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Sam suggests that they may use the Matrix to revive Optimus Prime, which is backed up by Jetfire.

Jetfire opens a [[space bridge]] and teleports himself as well as Sam, Mikaela, Leo, Simmons, Bumblebee and the Twins to [[Egypt]]. Between the Pyramids of Giza, they find the next clue and travel to Jordan. On the way, Simmons calls Lennox and instructs him to get his team, as well as the dead body of Optimus Prime, to Egypt. In Petra, they discover the tomb of the Primes. Inside, Sam finds the Matrix, which instantly crumbles into dust into his hands. Sam collects the dust regardless, and together, they travel back to Egypt. Meanwhile, Lennox has tricked Galloway into parachuting out of the cargo plane, and eventually the NEST team parachutes down and prepares for battle near the pyramids.

Before Sam and the others can get back to Lennox and his people, the Decepticons start there attack. The Constructicons merge into [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], who proceeds to swallow Mudflap. Mudflap, however, is able to free himself, and together with Skids, they try to slow Devastator down. While the Autobots and NEST fight the Decepticons, Megatron intends to use Sam's parents to lure him into a trap. Sam, falling into the trap, offers to hand over the Matrix dust to the Constructicon [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], but only to stall for time until Bumblebee is able to attack and destroy Rampage. Ravage attacks Bumblebee from behind, but is killed as well. Sam then orders Bumblebee to get his parents to safety while he and Mikaela try to reach Optimus Prime's body.

In the meantime, Devastator has begun to to take apart the pyramid that has been built around the Harvester. Simmons calls a navy ship off the coast of Egypt and orders the use of a railgun, which is fired at Devastator and apparently destroys him. Meanwhile, Sam is mortally hit by the blast of a shot fired by Megatron. While paramedics try to reanimate him, the Matrix dust gets spilled across his hand, and Sam encounters the dead Primes in a vision. The Primes tell him that he was destined to find the Matrix and save the life of the last Prime. Sam returns to life, and the dust in his hand turns back into the Matrix. With the Matrix, Sam is able to revive Optimus Prime.

Just then, The Fallen teleports himself next to Optimus Prime, grabs the Matrix and teleports himself to the pyramid, where he uses the Matrix to activate the Harvester. Jetfire, who has joined the battle, killing [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] before being fatally wounded by [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], instructs Optimus Prime to use his parts to battle The Fallen, and then rips out his own Spark. [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]] then proceed to turn Jetfire's remains into a battle armor for Optimus Prime, who is then able to destroy the Harvester and kill The Fallen. After the death of his master, Megatron, who has been severely damaged in the battle, follows Starscream's suggestion and retreats.

With the battle won, the Autobots, NEST, Sam and his friends return to the USA on board of an aircraft carrier. Upon his return, Sam continues to attend college.

==Quotes==


"Ding-a-ling, come out an' get yo' ice cream. Any bad robot out there better get ready for an ass-whoopin'."
:— '''Skids''' and '''Mudflap''' speaking their first line in the movie as the ice cream truck.

"Sam, fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
:— '''Optimus Prime'''

"Need parts. Kill ze little one!"
:— '''Scalpel''' instructs the Constructicons to kill one of their own, and they happily oblige.

"Starscream, I'm home!"
:— '''Megatron'''. And the fangirls go wild!

"I know you’re pissed-I know you’re pissed, I tried to kill you, right? It’s totally understandable. I mean, if you tried to kill me, I’d be pissed, too."
:— '''Sam Witwicky''' tries to relate with '''Megatron''', to no avail.

"Is the fate of our race not worth one human life?" 
"You'd never stop at ''one''. '''I'll take you all on!'''"
:— '''Megatron''' tries to justify killing Sam, but '''Optimus Prime''' disapproves based on the potato chip theory. Beatdown ensues.

"What planet am I on?" 
"Earth." 
"''Earth''? Terrible name for a planet. Might as well call it ''Dirt''. Planet Dirt."
:— '''Jetfire''' asks '''Simmons''' where he is, only to have negative thoughts.

"You know what my father was? [[Scrounge|A wheel]]! The first wheel! And you know what he transformed into? NOTHING! But he did so with honor! Dignity!"
:— '''Jetfire''' tells a story.

"Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it."
:— '''Simmons''' demands more coherent exposition from Jetfire.

"Lemme show ya how we brought the pain in ''my'' day!!"
:—'''Jetfire''' enters the fray to show us young whippersnappers how it's ''really'' done.

"One man, alone, betrayed by the country he loves."
:— '''Agent Simmons''' being, well, Agent Simmons as he bravely charges off to lure the Decepticons away.

"GIVE ME YOUR FACE."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' warns The Fallen of his violent fetish.

"Not to call you a coward, master, but, sometimes, cowards do survive."
:— '''Starscream''' pitches his usual battle plan to an unusually receptive Megatron.

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==Production staff==
* Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] recruited [[Ehren Kruger]] to help them write the screenplay. [[Michael Bay]] and producers [[Don Murphy]], [[Tom DeSanto]], and [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] also returned.<ref>[http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372 Transformers 2 Writers Confirmed]</ref>
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==Prequel material==
===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
While the Decepticons were disgusted with the pro-Autobot propaganda of Bay's first documentary {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|#13's Star Screams}}, they're quite optimistic about the second film. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] has taken a strong interest in it, going to the trouble of personally convincing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to be in the film {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|15's Star Screams}}.

The Decepticons promise this new documentary will show a glorious Decepticon victory {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|#10's Star Screams}} - whether it's in the script or not. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|#18's Star Screams}}

Shockingly, even ''they'' are under a non-disclosure agreement regarding the script; Starscream fearfully refers to a greater power keeping him quiet. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|#22's Star Screams}} Talking about it could even undermine the Decepticon war effort! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|#23's Star Screams}}

In the same week the film came out, the Decepticons suddenly became unhappy with it and the detente period ended. Bay, Kurtzman, and Orci are once again marked for extermination for their propaganda films. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|#1's Law and Disorder}}

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==Adaptations==
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'''Children's adaptations'''
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{{main|Operation Autobot}}
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==Sequels==
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==Soundtrack==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Soundtrack]]

==Score==
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:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Score]]
* [[Linkin Park]] and Hans Zimmer worked with Steve Jablonsky on the score of the movie. Linkin Park also wrote a song, called "New Divide". It was one of the theme songs for the movie, and they did several interpretations on that theme. <ref>[http://www.mikeshinoba.com/blog/special_events-recommended_music-in_the_studio-featured-linkin_park_/transformers_2_new_linkin_park_song_and_score]</ref>

==DVD release==

==Theatrical posters==
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Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|Teaser poster
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Image:ROTF Starscream poster.jpg|Wait...Starscream gets a poster but Megatron doesn't? That's just wrong.
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==Reception==
{{quote|Transformers: ROTF has mostly gotten pretty hideous reviews, but that's because people don't understand that this isn't a movie, in the conventional sense.|[http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie Michael Bay Finally Made An Art Movie], Charlie Jane Anders|[http://i09.com i09.com,] [[June 24]], [[2009]]}}
{{quote|[The critics] never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.|[http://tinyurl.com/nyscnv forum post] by Michael Bay|[http://shootfortheedit.com shootfortheedit.com,] [[June 25]], [[2009]]}}

''Revenge of the Fallen'' had its world premiere on June 8th, 2009, in Tokyo, Japan. Michael Bay, Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel, Tyrese Gibson, Isabel Lucas and Ramon Rodriguez attended.<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/47a23fdbb6ddc8ece6a0a6c87ccc2bbe-499.html Japanese Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 8, 2009]</ref>. Other countries such as South Korea<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/f7a7af7e754cfa877a635b95d8908eea-506.html Korean Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 9, 2009]</ref>, the United Kingdom and Germany followed over the course of the next few days. The United States premiere was held on June 22nd, 2009, in Los Angeles.

In the week leading up to the United States release, while the film had been released in Japan and the United Kingdom, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was ranking 38% fresh on [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/ Rotten Tomatoes.com]. As American reviews were added into the ranking on June 24, the movie's freshness slipped slowly to 22%. RottenTomatoes.com's consensus was that "''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' is a noisy, underplotted, and overlong special effects extravaganza that lacks a human touch." Roger Ebert, who gave the movie one star, remarked that "if you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together." <ref>[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997 Roger Ebert's ''Revenge of the Fallen'' review] on RogerEbert.com</ref> Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical.com said Michael Bay "has exceeded even the possibilities of sequel-driven 'moreness,' combining his own muscular, high-gloss sensibility with the conventions of blockbusters past, present, and probably future to create a monolithic action masterpiece that feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." <ref>[http://www.cinematical.com/2009/06/22/review-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/ Review: Transformers Revenge of the Fallen] on Cinematical.com</ref> Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune said "the first, comparatively lucid ''Transformers'' was a headache, but I sort of enjoyed it....''Revenge of the Fallen'' is more like listening to rocks in a clothes dryer for 2½ hours." <ref>[http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-transformers-0623-0624jun23,0,7350387.story 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' stars Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel] on chicagotribune.com </ref> Roger Ebert went back for more in a second article, declaring not only that ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was awful, but that it'd [[Ruined FOREVER|ruined action films FOREVER]]. <ref>[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_fall_of_the_revengers.html "The Fall of the Revengers"] on suntimes.com</ref>

A huge controversy revolved around the characters of the "Twins", [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], which many critics and viewers believed to be racist stereotypes of poorly educated black American teenagers. Director Michael Bay, when confronted with those accusations, claimed that the personalities of the two characters were primarily created in the recording studio by voice actors [[Tom Kenny]] and [[Reno Wilson]] (the latter of which is an African American himself).<ref name="jive"/> Screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci confirmed that this portrayal of the characters hadn't been in the script, and admitted that they could understand the controversy.<ref name="racism">[http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/orci-and-kurtzman-respond-to-claims-of-racism-in-transformers-2.php Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman respond to accusations of racism]</ref>

Despite the overwhelmingly negative reviews, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' poised itself quickly as a blockbuster maelstrom. It grossed $16 million in its opening midnight showings alone, an all-time record for Wednesday openings and a second-best for openings on any day of the week behind ''The Dark Knight''. After the full Wednesday was over, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had grossed $55 million in domestic ticket sales, surpassing the previous Wednesday release record, held by ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', by over $10 million. <ref> [http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1614673/story.jhtml 'Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen' Breaks Wednesday Box-Office Record] on MTV.com</ref> By the end of the first five days, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had taken an estimated $201.2 million in the United States, just shy of ''The Dark Knight's'' record $203.8 million 5-day US total. In the same period, international markets took in $186.1 million, bringing the 5-day worldwide total to $387.3 million.<ref>[http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2601&p=.htm BoxOfficeMojo.com - Weekend Report: ‘Revenge of the Fallen' Rises with Optimal Debut, June 28, 2009]</ref>

==Trivia==
*The official title of the film is ''Revenge of the Fallen'' (with a lower-case "t" in "the") even though it is apparently referring to [[The Fallen]] (with a capital "T" in "The").
*Leo's room features posters for [[Wikipedia:Naruto|Naruto]], [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]], and [[Wikipedia:Bad Boys 2|Bad Boys 2]].
*During the scenes set in and around the deli in NYC, posters for the bands [[Wikipedia:Catch 22 (band)|Catch Twenty-Two]] and [[wikipedia:Voodoo Glow Skulls|Voodoo Glow Skulls]] are prominently featured.
*Even though ''Revenge'' features mostly domestic voice actors for the foreign market dubs, [[Frank Welker]] voiced [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] not only in English, but also in the Italian dub. As a result, in the Italian dub of the movie, Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent. Welker is also ''incorrectly'' credited for voicing Soundwave in the German dub<ref name="germandub">[http://215072.homepagemodules.de/topic-threaded.php?board=215072&forum=11775323&threaded=1&id=511643&message=7158760 List of German dubbing voices]</ref>, even though Soundwave's actual German voice actor was Horst Lampe, who previously also voiced [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] in the German dub of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''.
*The prequel novel introduced other Autobots into the ranks of [[NEST]]—[[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]], and [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knockout]]. There were present up until the events directly leading into the Shanghai incident, but were not present for any of the events featured in the film or adaptations. {{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

==Transformers references==
In addition to carryovers from the previous film, various concepts and characters are derived from previous iterations of Transformers:
* The whole concept of "Transformers disguised as a human" used for [[Alice]] is inspired by the [[Pretender]]s. Roberto Orci even used the term "Pretender" during an interview before the movie's release.<ref name="pretender">[http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00021244.html Aceshowbiz interview with Roberto Orci]</ref> However, a Transformer with an "organic" alt-mode instead of an external shell is a concept more reminiscent of the [[Beast Era]].
* The Generation 1 iteration of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is frequently portrayed as switching from Decepticon to Autobot (he's usually a young and technologically up-to-the-minute 'bot, however.)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his ejectible minion [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] both have Generation 1 counterparts. Movie Soundwave even has the same voice actor as 1984 cartoon Soundwave, using the same voice, though without the synthetic vocal processing that made the cartoon voice so distinctive.
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] bears little physical resemblance to his Generation 1 namesake, but is a vaguely similar character archetype, and he ''does'' have that characteristic door armor hanging from his elbows.
* Generation 1 [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] was the first female Transformer with a starring role, and was likewise a pink-colored girlbot. The idea of Arcee the pink girlbot as a motorcycle dates back to ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], the combined form of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], was the first [[combiner]] robot in Generation 1.
* The characters are new, but the names "[[Mudflap (disambiguation)|Mudflap]]", "[[Skids (disambiguation)|Skids]]", "[[Jolt (disambiguation)|Jolt]]", "[[Rampage (disambiguation)|Rampage]]" and "[[Wheelie (disambiguation)|Wheelie]]" are not. Likewise for the concept of "[[Seeker (disambiguation)|Seekers]]".
* [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] dying and coming back to life has been done [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|times beyond counting]].
* Prime combining with another 'bot to increase his power (and often gain flight capabilities) is a trope that has occurred in many recent Transformers series (''Robots in Disguise'', ''Armada'', ''Energon'', ''Cybertron''.) In ''Armada'', a different [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] was his most frequent combination partner. This is the first time the other 'bot had to die for it to happen, though.
* [[The Fallen]] is based on a comic book character that made his debut in the 2004 miniseries [[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]. In fact, according to Hasbro, he is the ''exact'' same character!
* The [[Matrix of Leadership]] is one of the franchise's oldest MacGuffins.
* [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]] (mentioned though never seen) is the Transformers' power source in numerous incarnations, beginning with the original cartoon.
* The concept of a [[protoform]] as the first stage of a Transformer is a reference to the same concept introduced on the [[Beast Wars]] cartoon.
* Though it is almost certainly not an actual ''reference'' (it's a pretty generic and predictable sci-fi trope), the [[solar harvester]] is quite similar in function to the [[Solar Needle]] from the Generation 1 episode "[[Changing Gears]]", sucking energy from the [[Sun]] to produce energon. Both devices would have destroyed the Sun if allowed to fulfill their function.
* The same is true for Sam having Cybertronian knowledge pumped directly into his brain via a sacred Transformer talisman, which is reminiscent of [[Buster Witwicky]]'s similar situation in the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] G1 comics.

==Development details==
===Cast and crew signing on===
On may 30, 2007, a month before the official release of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'', [[DreamWorks]] announced that two sequels were already being planned.<ref name="spy">[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a58430/two-transformers-sequels-in-pipeline.html Digital Spy article from May 2007, confirming that two sequels were being planned]</ref> [[Megan Fox]] had already been confirmed for the first of those sequels twelve days eaerlier<ref name="foxcon">[http://www.mtvmoviesblog.com/2007/05/18/megan-fox-confirmed-for-transformers-sequel/ MTV confirming Megan Fox for the sequel]</ref>, while [[Shia LaBeouf]] had already confirmed his participation in an–at that time still theoretical–sequel in November 2006.<ref name="shias">Rebecca Murray: [http://movies.about.com/od/bobby/a/bobbysl111006_4.htm Interview with Shia LaBeouf from 2006, confirming his participation in a theoretical sequel]</ref> Director [[Michael Bay]], meanwhile, only once briefly questioned his involvement in a sequel in August 2007, when [[Paramount Pictures]] announced that ''Transformers'' would be released on HD DVD, but not on Blu-ray Disc.<ref name="bayhd">[http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/08/21/michael-bay-responds-to-paramounts-abandonment-of-blu-ray-no/ One of many sites reporting Michael Bay's announcement that he would not direct the sequel if the first movie wouldn't be released on Blu-ray]. Bay deleted his original post after changing his mind.</ref> Bay quickly changed his mind, however, and Paramount would later release the first movie on Blu-ray anyway, after the HD DVD had been abandoned.

In September of 2007, Paramount officially announced the first sequel for June 2009.<ref name="reldat">[http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972852.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1 Variety reporting Paramount's official announcement of the first sequel]</ref> Bay was given a budget of $200 million, and ultimately managed to come in $4 million below that.<ref name="showest">[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/11461/tcid/1 Michael Bay talking the ''Transformers'' sequel at ShoWest“]</ref>

The ''Transformers'' screenwriters, [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]], initially hesitated writing the sequel, but ultimately had a change of mind.<ref name="sciforc">[http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/orci-kurtzman-reveal-tran.php Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman talking to Sci Fi Wire.]</ref> In October 2007, [[Ehren Kruger]] was confirmed as a third writer, who, according to Kurtzman, brought in a "fresh perspective"<ref name="kickoff">[http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/01/14/kicking-off-2009-with-writers-alex-kurtzman-and-roberto-orci-part-two-transformers-2/ Another interview with Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci]</ref>, and who reportedly impressed both director Michael Bay and [[Hasbro]] CEO [[Brian Goldner]] with his knowledge of ''Transformers'' mythology.<ref name="writersr">[http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-transformers2writers,0,1938976.story Zap2it story about the ROTF writers]</ref>

In April 2009, Roberto Orci confirmed that cartoon voice actor [[Frank Welker]] would voice Soundwave.<ref name="welkers">[http://www.cinemablend.com/new.php?id=12917 Roberto orci confirming Welker as Soundwave]</ref> Welker had previously been considered as [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] voice actor in the first movie, but ultimately Michael Bay had given that part to [[Hugo Weaving]] instead. Both Bay and the writers were also hoping that [[Leonard Nimoy]] could voice a character in the movie.<ref name="sciforc"> Bay later stated that he was nervous of asking his relative Nimoy to voice The Fallen for fear of offending him with the relatively low pay allotted to voice actors.<ref name="nimoy1">[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/21/michael-bay-afraid-to-offend-leonard-nimoy-with-transformers-family-reunion-offer/ ''Michael Bay Afraid To Offend Leonard Nimoy With ‘Transformers’ Family Reunion Offer'', MTV.com Movies blog, April 21, 2009]</ref> Even though Nimoy openly asked Bay to simply give him a call,<ref name="nimoy2">[http://www.latinoreview.com/news/leonard-nimoy-to-michael-bay-call-me-6682 Leonard Nimoy To Michael Bay: "Call Me!"], Latino Review</ref> it ultimately never worked out: after watching his guest appearance on ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Brave_and_the_Bold Batman: The Brave and the Bold]'', Bay selected [[Tony Todd]] - whom he worked on with ''The Rock'' - for the voice of The Fallen instead.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaN2g5i2k2E Interview with The Fallen himself - Tony Todd]</ref>

===Writing and production===
For the movie, Orci and Kurtzman searched the various ''Transformers'' comics and cartoons for "the most elemental bad guy", and eventually found one in [[The Fallen]].<ref name="sciforc"/>

In addition to that, they wanted to include many things in the sequel that hadn't made it into the first movie, including the Decepticon [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]. Likewise, the [[Matrix of Leadership]] had initially been intended to be used in the first movie, but for fear of confusion with the ''Matrix'' movies, the cube had been renamed into [[All Spark]]. In return, the Matrix in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' bears more resemblance to the ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] Matrix.

In late 2007, during pre-production for then-untitled ''Transformers'' sequel, the [[wikipedia:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|Writers Guild of America went on strike]], but according to all parties involved, this didn't slow down preparations of the movie much in the long run. Screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci turned in their first outline of the script the night before the strike officially began. During the strike, director Michael Bay used the script as a basis for preparing the movie. After the strike had ended, Kurtzman, Orci and Ehren Kruger continued their work on the script, based on Bay's changes.<ref name="kickoff"/> One consequence of this development was that Michael Bay and Hasbro had selected some of the new Transformers characters that were to would appear in the movie during the strike, because of the long production run of the toys, while they had legally not been allowed to consult with the screenwriters.<ref name="sciforc"/> The "Twins", [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], are Bay's creation.<ref name="jive">[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-24-transformers_N.htm?csp=34 USA Today article on accusations of racism with the "Twins", and Michael Bay's response.]</ref>

In early June of 2008, DreamWorks, Paramount and Hasbro officially confirmed the movie's title to be ''Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen''.<ref name="titleann">[http://www.reserveresult.com/2008/06/transformers-2-revenge-of-fallen.html One of the first announcements of the title, still with a "2" in it]</ref> A few weeks later, Roberto Orci confirmed that there would be no "2" in the title.<ref name="no2orci">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180738-no-2-transformers-2-a.html#post2173364 ROberto Orci confirming that there will be no "2" in the movie's title]</ref>

Principal shooting began in June 2008 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.<ref name="pennlive">[http://blog.pennlive.com/lvbreakingnews/2008/06/shooting_starts_today_on_trans_1.html Pennlive story about the beginning of ROTF's principal shooting in Bethlehem]</ref> Other shooting sites were Philadelphia, the campus of Princeton University, Long Beach, the Holloman Air Force Base and the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Some scenes were also shot in other countries, at the [[Wikipedia:Egyptian pyramids|Pyramids of Giza]] and in Luxor, Egypt, in Jordan and in Paris.

According to director Michael Bay, ''Revenge'' is the first movie in abour 30 years to be given permission to shoot at the Pyramids of Giza, and the first movie ''ever'' to film on top of [[Wikipedia:Petra|Petra]].<ref name="bayclub">[http://www.transformersclub.com/tfrof-intv09.cfm Transformers Collectors' Club interview with Michael Bay]</ref> He obtained permission to film in Egypt by contacting Zahi Hawass, secretary general of Egypt's council of antiquities, who turned out to be a fan of the 2007 ''Transformers'' movie.<ref>[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 The Collider article and video interview with Michael Bay, February 9, 2009]</ref>

During the time of shooting, actor Shia LaBeouf suffered a severe injury of his left hand in a car accident. Ultimately, however, filming was only briefly halted, and his injury worked into the film, thereby not adversely affecting the filming schedule.<ref name="TheList2008">[http://www.list.co.uk/article/10788-shia-labeoufs-transformers-hand/ The List 1 August 2008]</ref> For the movie, director Michael Bay earned himself an entry in the Guiness Book of Records for the "biggest explosion on film with actors present".<ref name="guiness">[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10579085 New zealand Herald article mentioning Bay' Guiness Book entry]</ref>

===Sponsors and partners===
====Hasbro====
[[Hasbro]] once again acted both as a licensor and actively participated in the development of the movie. Together with the first ''Transformers'' movie, the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' movie ''Rise of the Cobra'' and several other planned movie projects such as ''Monopoly'', ''Stretch Armstrong'' and ''Battleships'', ''Revenge of the Fallen'' marks the beginning of a new company policy for Hasbro, believing that the new "the movie of the toy" strategy will be more lucrative than the old "the toy of the movie" concept, which involves hefty licensing fees.<ref name="brandweek">[http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db20090611_333306.htm Brandweek article on Hasbro's new movie-related business strategy]</ref> Still, director [[Michael Bay]] receives an 8% cut of all toy sales from the ''Transformers'' movies.<ref name="forbesbay">[http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/celebrity-09-transformers-michael-bay-making-movies-enemies-money.html Michael Bay article on Forbes.com June 4, 2009]</ref> During the 2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike, when nobody was legally allowed to consult with the screenwriters, Hasbro and Bay selected several of the new Transformers characters that were to appear in the movie.<ref name="sciforc"/>

====US military====
The [[United States military]] also supported the movie again, providing vehicles, shooting locations and military personnel that appear as extras in the movie.<ref name="milit">[http://www.military.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news/military-unites-with-hollywood-on-transformers?wh=entertainment American Forces Press Service press relase about the US military's contribution to ROTF]</ref> Due to scheduling coincidences, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was given a larger support by the US Department of Defense than ''G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra'', which was produced at the same time. <ref name="dod">Jeff Schogol: [http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=62955 Stars and Stripes article about DOD support for ''revenge of the Fallen'' and ''G.I. Joe: Rise of the Cobra'']</ref> Initially, Bay had intended to include German soldiers in the movie (presumably as members of [[NEST]]), but even though the soldiers were eager to participate, the German government denied the request.<ref name="szpremiere">[http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Report from the German press conference (in German laguage)]</ref>

====General Motors====
American car manufacturer General Motors once again provided vehicles that were used by the Autobots as their [[alternate mode]]s. Returning from the first movie were the GMC Topkick ([[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]), the Hummer H2 ([[ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]) and the new Chevrolet Camaro ([[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]), the latter this time as a slightly updated Z/28 model as compared to the first movie's concept car model. Newcomers for ''Revenge of the Fallen'' are all from the Chevrolet brand, namely the Chevrolet Beat ([[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]]), the Chevrolet Trax ([[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]), a new Chevrolet Corvette Stingray concept car ([[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]) and, as a last minute addition, the new Chevrolet Volt electric car ([[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]).

In total, General Motors provided 67 vehicles, 52 of them being prototypes not intended for sale.<ref name="chevytroubles">[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-15-gm-transformers_N.htm USA Tosday story on Chevrolet's participation in the movie]</ref> As a consequence of the 2007-onwards financial crisis, however, General Motors reduced their financial support for ''Revenge'' in April of 2009.<ref name="horsep">[http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cotown-transformers6-2009apr06,0,5419006.story LA Times story on General Motors cutting their support for ''Revenge of the Fallen'']</ref>

Director Michael Bay estimates that, without the support of general Motors and the military, production of the movie would have cost $10 million more than the $195 million ultimately spent.<ref name="forbesbay"/> Coinciding with the release of ''Revenge of the Fallen'', General Motors reported that sales of the new Chevrolet Camaro were so strong that orders were outrunning the supply, even though the car was being sold above MSRP in many places. A direct connection to the movie, however, could not be proven.<ref name="camarosells">[http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aZCnXEtqqTcc Bloomberg reporting on strong sales for the new Chevrolet Camaro</ref>

====Product placement====
Like in the first movie, numerous companies signed a deal with the filmmakers which allowed for their product being featured in prominent places in the movie. A Mountain Dew vending machine can be seen in [[Leo Spitz|Leo's]] room, computer screens feature visible Cisco logos, [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]] and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] intend to communicate via iChat, a huge HSBC logo is seen at Times Squre in New York City, a Budweiser bottle is prominently featured in one of the Paris scenes, CNN is everyone's preferred news channel, and a giant IMAX logo is seen inside the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum. In return, Mars heavily advertized ''Revenge of the Fallen'' with their chocolate candy brand M&M's.

===Changes before, during and after production===
*According to comic book writer [[Simon Furman]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] had been in an early draft of the movie's plot, but were dropped from the cast very early in development.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/01/29/no-dinobots-in-transformers-2-revenge-of-the-fallen-original-film-consultant-explains-why/ MTV Movie Blog interview with Simon Furman, January 29, 2009.]</ref>
*One scene that didn't make it into the final movie would have explained [[Alice|Alice's]] sorta-human disguise: In it, [[Leo Spitz|Leo]] watches a TV ad featuring an Alice in Wonderland animatronic from an amusement park, which heavily resembles Alice. The scene was featured in the [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation issue 2|comic adaptation]] and the [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]]. It's unclear if the scene has actually been filmed; however, the movie still features the follow-up scene in which Leo shows up to tell Sam ''something'' about Alice, only to see her robot tongue strangle him.

===Disinformation===
In April of 2008, director Michael Bay claimed he had initiated a huge disinformation campaign in order to prevent content details from the movie from being revealed to the public before he wanted them to.<ref name="misinf">[http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a94406/bay-tries-to-fool-transformers-fans.html Mirrored copy of Michael Bay's original claims about his alleged "disinformation campaign"]. Bay apparently deleted his original post from his official message board.</ref> Ultimately, Bay himself turned out to be the main source of genuine disinformation, despite claiming that ''only'' what he said was 100% true. Therefore, the disinformation campaign mostly hinged on fans believing in its existence, and rejecting any genuinely "leaked" information, including set photos, statements by third parties such as [[Hasbro]] or [[IDW Publishing]] and stolen toy [[prototype]]s, as "disinformation". Screenwriter Roberto Orci eventually admitted that the disinformation campaign wasn't really working.<ref name="orcicampaign">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-150.html#post2437185 Roberto Orci confirming Michael Bay's biggest fear: The disinformation campaign doesn't work!]</ref>

For the longest time, Bay upheld the position that [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] would ''not'' return in ''Revenge of the Fallen''. After concept designs of Megatron's new [[alternate mode]] had surfaced (some of which would later turn out to be designs of the RPM Megatron toy), Bay insisted that this was "just Hasbro coming up with a new toy", and Megatron would not appear in the movie.<ref name="EmpireFeb2009">''Empire'' magazine issue 236, dated February 2009, pages 68 and 69, article entitled "20 to watch in 2009", written by Nick de Semelyn</ref> Following ''officially released'' evidence to the contrary (including Megatron's brief appearance in the February 1 Superbowl TV spot and the February teaser trailer), screenwriter [[Roberto Orci]] confirmed that Megatron would indeed return.<ref name="mreturns">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-211.html#post3333713 Roberto Orci confirming Megatron's return on TFW2005.com - February 22, 2009]</ref> Shortly afterwards, Bay retracted from his claims, but not entirely, suggesting that Megatron would only appear in a flashback scene "from the long lost past", despite the fact Megatron could be seen pinning [[Sam Witwicky]] to the ground in the aforementioned TV spot and teaser trailer. He also denied that Megatron would transform into a tank.<ref name="catoutbag">[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66825&postcount=4 Bay retracting from his claims about Megatron on his forum - March 6, 2009]</ref>

Bay also tried to have information prematurely revealed by third parties contained after the fact: During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, comic book writer [[Simon Furman]] revealed that the film would feature a character called [[The Fallen]], which was a character they had created for [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''.<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen as a character in the movie in an interview with Comic Book Resources]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of ''Revenge''. [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] was also confirmed in the same interview.<ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, Michael Bay reiterated that everything leaked thus far was part of his alleged disinformation campaign, and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had actually seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script. Additionally, Bay claimed the only truth about the film revealed up to that point was Sam going to college.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 Michael Bay's forum post claiming that only he and the writers had seen the script]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan had pointed out the contradiction to Bay, all references to The Fallen (and Arcee) were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.

==Errors==
*Bumblebee picks up Sam at a frat party in the evening. He then takes him to a graveyard where it's daytime.

*During Sam's campus freakout, when he drops his notes on the steps, a blonde woman in a suit can be seen coming down the steps to his left, nearly reaching him. However, when the camera angle shifts, the woman is suddenly at the top of the stairs again.

*On the sonar, there are "five contacts" diving down to Megatron's location, and "six contacts" going up after his resurrection. Since one Constructicon was killed to repair Megatron, shouldn't there be only five contacts going up as well? Keep in mind, Scalpel is too small to register on sonar, but Ravage is just large enough.

*When the [[Wikipedia:USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)|USS ''Theodore Roosevelt'']] is sunk by Decepticon [[transition form]]s, the hull number of 74 can clearly be seen.{{fact}} CVN-74 belongs to the [[Wikipedia:USS John C. Stennis (CVN-74)|USS ''John C. Stennis'']], a carrier that shows up later in the film and was also the carrier used for filming.

*When Jetfire is activated at the [[Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum]] (actually the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]], an annex of the Smithsonian) in Washington, he leaves the exhibition center and exits into the desert location of the [[Wikipedia:309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group|309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (aka The Boneyard)]], which is in Tuscon, Arizona. When Jetfire breaks out of the building, we can see a composited image of the Boneyard's rows of planes, so it's arguable that in this universe the middle of Washington DC happens to be a desert full of old planes, and no buildings and uh... heh heh.

*In addition, the movie gives the impression that Giza in Egypt and Petra in Jordan are in close proximity to each other—within an eyeshot, even. In reality, the two locations are about 416 kilometers (258 miles) apart. What makes this even more problematic is the fact that Egypt and Jordan don't share a common border—there's a country named Israel between them, whose existence isn't even mentioned in the movie...

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersmovie.com Dreamworks/Paramount's ''Transformers'' Movie website]
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/ Hasbro's ''Transformers'' homepage]
*[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 Interview with Michael Bay 02/09/2009] — Collider.com

==References==
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[[Category:Films]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Soundwave (ROTF)

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:''Soundwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Defiance4Soundwave.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Just wait till he [[Kiss Players|tentacle rapes]] that satellite!]]

'''Soundwave''', the Decepticon communications officer and one of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] staunchest supporters, doesn't just master the frequencies that carry information across our planet, he revels in them. Stationed high in the upper atmosphere, he is fully capable of taking over communications on a planetary scale. Whether he uses this to direct civilization or destroy it remains to be seen.

== Fiction ==
=== Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics ===
[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was in talks with Soundwave to get him to join in the attack on Earth and be in [[Michael Bay]]'s next documentary. Soundwave is known for talking in several frequencies at once, apparently just to be annoying. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|#15's Star Screams}} Starscream doesn't trust Soundwave but notes his intelligence, and so views him as a worthy successor in the event of his death. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|#21's Star Screams}}

=== IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics ===
Soundwave was assigned by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to take command of the newly built ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' with the sarcophogus containing [[The Fallen]]. Soundwave's task was to find a planet with a star [[Solar harvester|harvester]] that could be used to free their mysterious benefactor. Soundwave left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] just before the outbreak of war. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:SoundwaveAllianceIssue2.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Alas, poor Dreadwing. I knew him, Ravage.]]

Presumed dead for years, Soundwave arrived on [[Mars]] one month after Megatron's death. He quickly took stock of the situation, scanning both [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing's]] remains, and an imprint of [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy's]] body. He contacted [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] after his battle with [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]], informing him that he had sent troops from his ship to Earth, with more waiting in stasis. As Starscream headed for the ship, Soundwave informed him he still had orders to follow. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2}}

As more and more Decepticons made planetfall on Earth's surface, Soundwave assumed the form of a satellite and silently observed their operations from orbit. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4}}

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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (English, Italian), [[Horst Lampe]] (German), [[Daisuke Gouri]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler}}
Orbiting above Earth, Soundwave received a transmission from [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]], who was tailing [[Mikaela Banes]], and instructed him to obtain a surviving shard of the [[All Spark]] in her possession. Soundwave encountered a satellite transmitting a conversation between [[NEST]] and the [[United States military]]. Tapping into it with his tentacles to listen, Soundwave overheard [[Theodore Galloway]] mention another shard of the All Spark in storage at [[Diego Garcia]], and of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s burial in the [[Laurentian Abyss]]. Formulating a plan, Soundwave ejected [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] (who was equipped with [[Scalpel]] and the [[Marble bot|marble bots]] comprising [[Reedman]]) to Diego Garcia to steal the shard, which his minions used to resurrect his leader.

Soundwave remained in space, tapping into the satellite he had found. During the Decepticon strike following [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he tracked down [[Ron Witwicky|Ron]] and [[Judy Witwicky]] in [[France|Paris]] (making a threatening phone call to Judy) and later blocked the NEST team's phone signals to General [[Morshower]] in an effort to block their back-up. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Soundwaverotfpreviewtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|War fork!]]
*'''Soundwave''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-04'''
**''Accessories:'' 1 Ravage missile

:Part of the initial Movie Preview wave, Soundwave is a [[Triple Changer]], transforming into a satellite and a Cybertron jet, which are not exactly what could be described as "distinct" from one another. In all three modes, Soundwave features a spring-loaded missile launcher which fires a missile intended to resemble [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]], in reference to the scene in the film in which he launches the feline fiend down at Earth. In his (rather stocky) robot mode, Soundwave has blue light piping in his visor, but it is disabled, having been painted over in red; his other modes feature a second, armored version of his face. He features numerous red and gold [[paint application]]s which are ''very'' cleverly and subtly positioned around his body to replicate similarly-colored and -positioned details on the [[Soundwave (G1)|original Soundwave toy]].

:The configuration for the satellite mode depicted in the toy's instructions is not the way Soundwave appears in the film, featuring a different angling for the panels on his shoulders. It's not a big change, but transforming the toy in accordance with his movie appearance ''does'' help to distinguish the jet from the satellite a little, since otherwise, virtually the only difference is in the positioning of the large panel "wings".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Soundwave/soundwave.htm More information on Soundwave at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:EarlyMovieBlackout.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A Soundwave-headed Blackout from an animatic.]]
* Soundwave was originally supposed to feature in [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'']]; he fulfilled both [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]'s roles, hacking into the CIA headquarters as a portable stereo, then [[Mass-shifting|morphed]] into a Humvee to track down [[Sam Witwicky]].<ref>Details from an early script draft [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2213120&postcount=297 summed up here], [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2214148&postcount=303 confirmed as authentic by Roberto Orci here].</ref> [[Michael Bay]]'s decision to minimalize the amount of morphing in the film resulted in a change to a helicopter who openly attacks the army. Soundwave and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] were changed to [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] as the film's location was changed from a jungle to a desert.<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage was replaced by Scorponok at the official movie boards]</ref><ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage would have appeared in a different terrain at the official movie boards]
</ref> Soundwave's name remained attached to the separated portable stereo character for a while, but Hasbro felt the resulting character did not properly represent the original Soundwave—he was first renamed Soundbite, but eventually ended up with the name Frenzy.

*According to the trade paperback, Soundwave was a major character in the third draft of ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]''.

*While not appearing in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' proper, the toy's robot mode is actually very closely derived from early ''Revenge of the Fallen'' concept art of Soundwave as a black Chevrolet pickup truck. The toy even retains a Cybertronian version of the Chevy grill and small headlights on the lower torso.

*Hasbro's description and arrangement of Soundwave's toy as a triple changer runs counter to the filmmakers' intent to introduce the technology in the next film.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-will-not-feature-triple-changers-165854/ News from TFW2005.com on September 23, 2008,] detailing [[Roberto Orci]]'s confirmation that there would be no triple-changers in ''Revenge of the Fallen''.</ref> [[Aaron Archer]] acknowledged in ''Toyfare'' #140 (February 2009) they had altered Soundwave's Cybertronian form from the film for the sake of creating a decent toy.

*Even though [[Frank Welker]] returned to voice Soundwave for the movie, his voice was not vocoded, but rather synthesized in the same way all the other Transformer voices in the movie were. Because of this, the voice he uses is much closer to that of "The Cave of Wonders" from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_(film) Walt Disney's ''Aladdin''], also voiced by Welker.

*Even though ''Revenge'' features mostly domestic voice actors for the foreign market dubs, [[Frank Welker]] voiced Soundwave not only in English, but also in the Italian dub. As a result, in the Italian dub of the movie, Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent. Welker is also ''incorrectly'' credited for voicing Soundwave in the German dub<ref name="germandub">[http://215072.homepagemodules.de/topic-threaded.php?board=215072&forum=11775323&threaded=1&id=511643&message=7158760 List of German dubbing voices]</ref>, even though Soundwave's actual German voice actor was Horst Lampe, who previously also voiced [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] in the German dub of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''.

== References ==
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