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Talk:Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:44:13Z

159.134.162.193: /* Name Change IV: Japan is stupid */

==Name Change==

We should probably use a different image for Lio's main one. Namely, one of his first toy-body in normal colors. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

*Yeah, I never really intended to use that as the main one, just as a place-holder since Google wasn't finding me anything better. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

::Can we move this to [[Leo Prime]] now? Please? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, Lord yes! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Have we seen the back of his card to be sure Leo Prime is definately the same character? I mean clearly the deco is inspired by him, I'm just wondering if we've seen the bio. (Even if we havn't, it probably WILL be him, I know, but we wont be 100% sure till we see.)

::::It's probably in the history now and I can't change it, but there was an angry and non-researched well rant here by me a while ago. I've changed my mind a little. Blog entry explains all.

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==Personality==

Did Leo Prime have any actual personality in the Japanese stuff to record as his profile? As of right now it's mostly kinda a recounting of BW2 continuity specific story material rather than a true character profile. We should definately have a real profile whenever the IDW BW Guide comes out (soooon peeaaasse) but I was wondering if there was anything we could say about him personality wise as of now? What little I remember is pretty much "generic leader." [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

He's a Japanese leader. That means he has zero personality. Honestly, he was dull as dishwater in BWII. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno, doesn't Leiconvoy party hard? Is eem to recall an episodew where he frank a lot of beer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::: Wow, franking beer *is* pretty unique behavior. (I don't usually point out spelling, but I just find this one really funny.) It wouldn't surprise me too much if he was a partier, Japan seems to like the idea of TFs getting drunk. Although I would think that'd be more Big Convoys thing, off hand. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part Deux==

Question: Now that we know that the Classic "Legends" figures have no character/bio info on the cards (we DO know that right, I'm not imagining it?) don't we have to question if "Leo Prime" is actually the same characters as "Lio Convoy"? I mean, *YES* his deco is definately a homage, but LOTS of Universe toys feature homage-decos and the *exact* same names as existing G1 characters, and we've consistantly and purposely refused to treat them as being new versions of the existing robots here, because there's no official proof/bio/characterization one way or the other. Leo Prime's case is pretty much exactly the same thing isn't it (or possibly even weaker, since in those cases even the names matched perfectly)? Certianly a homage, but with nothing official to confirm it, there's no way to really say he's the same guy from BW2. Not officially. Am I missing something? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*I agree. The decision to change the name seemed premature to me. What is the basis for saying they are one in the same? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*They do have bios, albeit short ones. Leo Prime's has "Cybertronian Supreme Commander" in it somewhere. Also, Classics isn't comparable to Universe because it is stated to be a continuation of G1 and doesn't involve multiple universe-hopping. We don't have [[Megatron (Classics)]] or [[Trypticon (Classics)]] pages. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
: What Int said. Though it will all come down to what they call him in IDW's BW profile book, I imagine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Spinning offa this, is there now more solid precedent for renaming Overlord as Gigatron? HOC is at least as valid as LOC, if anything it's actually more detailed. I understand some people are reluctant due to Dreamwave giving their character of Gigatron a completely different backstory than the fictional Overlord ever could have had--however, no material was ever canonically published that linked Overlord to Gigatron. Just interviews with Patyk/McDonaugh about where they'd like to take the character. It strikes me as no more consequential than 'The Greater Ape'. So why not rename?
:The European (thus, UK) release is named "Overlord". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::I think we're waiting on Overlord until we get maybe another universe for him...? there's enough of a case to say ovelord = Gigatron IMO, but they're treated '''so''' differently...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Again, though, there are TONS of instances of characters who are portrayed wildly different in different continuities. Take Marvel Grimlock vs. Cartoon Grimlock. Or Shockwave. Or Blaster. Hell, in Dreamwave's continuity, Scourge and Cyclonus are completely different robots rather than being reformatted from the seekers or the Insecticons. Should they get different pages, too? It's quite clear that Overlord and Gigatron are meant to be the same character, even if they were portrayed differently in different continuities. The same holds true for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Hey, you're preaching to the converted here.. I think part of the problem is- what do you call him? he got an einglish-language release as overlord. if he was renamed Gigatron... we don''t usually 'respect' renames on the Wiki. (Silverstreak, et al.) Except- in Dreamwave continuity is HIS Gigatron.. but BY FAR he's best RECOGNIZED as Overlord. And, you know, actually saw release under that name. It's a pickle. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::His American release was Gigatron. Isn't that pretty much the standard we're using? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::*shrug* I will not oppose moving the article to Gigatron. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, if we were to consider J-Overlord and Gigatron the same character, then the same would apply to Lightfoot and Getaway, or Road King and Slapdash, etc. They're humans in robot suits, which their Western counterparts are not. Gigatron is the Hosehead to Overlord's Cab. Quite frankly, I advcoate making Gigatron as separate character article, just as the other Powermasters have separate articles from THEIR Godmaster counterparts, similar tech specs be damned. But, yeah, I'm probably in the minority on that. The problem, I suppose, comes with figuring out where Eurolord goes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::No, I'm down with that. I figure Masterforce Overlord should have his own separate article since he's a very distinctly separate... organism, then Eurolord/Gigatron a separate article. As for which name he'd go under, I vote Gigatron, since that's how we've got all the other Euro transplants from G2. (And is similar techs were all that, Charger would be Slag, and BM Mirage Skywarp.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::At this time and on little sleep, I would guess that Powermaster Gigatron and Eurolord fall under the same category as, say, G2 Laser Rod Jolt and G2 Illuminator Hotrod - essentially the same character with some details changed to suit the market. Saying that, I realize that Gigatron and Overlord have entirely different bios, but comparing [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1988/overlordtechs.jpg] them [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/2004/gigatronboxback.jpg], I don't see anything that ''contradicts'' the other with the exception of Overlord having Energon mini figures and Gigatron being a Powermaster. On the other hand, maybe that's fanfic'ing it too much... man, does anyone have Andrew Frankel's address? I'm pretty sure he WROTE Gigatron's card bio and could just say what he intended the character to be. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I still don't understand why the Lio Convoy articles had to be changed to Leo Prime considering her's far better known as Lio Convoy, and has been a japanese character for far longer than a US character. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
:Because we go by English names for characters whenever they have them. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
::This is the English Transformers enyclopedia. Go to Japan's if you want Japanese names. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I should note that ironically I am in an argument with somebody on TFW2005 who insists on using japanese names, and I am arguing Hasbro's case. I just think that in this case, the predominantly japanese character should use the japanese name, since that's what everybody who has heard of or is familiar with the character knows him as. If, IF this was the case of a joint line like the UT where Hasbro concurrently released the toy with a US name, then I might agree, but they didn't, and only just gave it a name on a repaint of a small impulse-buy toy last year. Also, the idea to change Overlord to Gigatron just because of some long-forgotten LOC is foolishness and would have just made things confusing. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Your Gigatron comment would've probably been more relevant months ago. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 07:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::I hadn't joined then. But this still irks me. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:Uh guys, are we forgetting this toy '''was''' sold by Hasbro Collectors as Lioconvoy (or LioConvoy).[http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.hasbrocollectors.com/product.cfm?product=4]
[[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part the Third==
It looks like IDW is going to be calling him [http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=208&itemid=9850 Lio Convoy]. How will this effect what we call the character here? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:If true, I'd prefer to change it back to Lio Convoy, since now his only official US characterisation has given him the original japanese name (it seems). Plus he's been a japanese character way longer. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:: I agree that if he IS Lio Convoy vs. Leo Prime when the actual IDW issues come out then yes it should be changed back, since then both would be US names and and Lio would have more story/history weight. It's wait and see at this point though, when the issues come we'll know. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Derik agrees with Zac- mostly because Leo Prime has cleared Hasbro legal... and we'd look ''exceptionally'' stupid if the issue came out and he was called Leo Prime, it's possible some copy editor just screwed up writing the promos. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change IV: Japan is stupid==
There is no reason for it to remain Leo Prime when we've been told it's otherwise. If they change their mind when it comes to the Ascending, then it can be changed back. The character's official name in the fiction he appeared was Lio Convoy. Nothing past that matters.
:If you're referring to Furman's blog, that isn't a source of officiality (for lack of a better term) over the name on a toy's package, no matter how much you scream otherwise and call us anti-Japanese. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 11:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::But the toy is not officially confirmed as being Lio Convoy. He is an autobot, not a maximal, for a start. The name of the character in the fiction he appears in, and the toys that were released, is Lio Convoy. Not to mention the Hasbro Collectors Lio Convoy, which was released in the west, as Lio Convoy. You(the Wiki people) ARE anti-japanese, as fuck, you're practically infamous for it, since other people acknowledge the original name of the character. Furman's comment only adds to it.
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Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:41:29Z

159.134.162.193: Too bad the character is still called Lio Convoy. The only Leo Prime was an LOC that has not even been confirmed to be anything more than a homage. Not to mention he's an Autobot not Maximal.

{{disambig3|Prime}}
:''Lio Convoy is a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:LioConvoy01.jpg|250px|thumb|right|He's no Leoric]]

A high-ranking member of the Maximals, '''Lio Convoy''' is honest to his core and possesses the strong sense of right and wrong that one expects from a robot with "Prime" in his name. In part he's a tough, hard, career-military robot, but he doesn't let that side of his nature totally dominate who he is. There is a very humane, even gentle side to him as well, and there are times when one can't help but suspect his seriousness has a hidden smile behind it. Though Lio Convoy dislikes fighting for its own sake, for a just cause he is more than willing to throw himself into the frey. He believes that through combat one can gain insight and understanding of an opponents true character and thought processes.

:''Alternate names:'' '''Leo Prime'''

''('''Note''': This character originated in the Japanese-exclusive [[Beast Wars II]] series, with the name Lio Convoy. He made his first appearance in U.S. Transformers fiction with a role [[IDW|IDW's]] [[The Gathering]] comic mini-series, in which he was not named. With his first appearance in a [[Hasbro]] toy line as part of the [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] series, he received the new name Leo Prime. However, it was never confirmed they were intended to be the same character, and a preview of Simon Furman's new Beast Wars series has confirmed his official western name as Lio Convoy. The character "Leo Prime" has never been named in any official western fiction.)''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Beast Wars II''====
''Voice actor:'' [[Hozumi Goda]] (Japan)

[[Image:Lioconvoy_preformat.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Why do my shoulders hurt?]]
A Supreme Commander with his own [[Energon Matrix]]. He led a troop of Maximal soldiers to planet [[Gaia]] to stop [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]].

After being attacked by a ship of rogue Predacons, lead by [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], Lio Convoy and his army of Maximals gave chase to their enemies. Lio Convoy and his crew of Maximals chased Galvatron to the distant planet Gaia where Lio Convoy was seperated from the rest of his troops while protecting [[Apache]] from a Predacon attack. The over-abundance of [[Angolmois]] energy proved harmful to Transformers, forcing all the Maximals to scan local wildlife for necessary beast modes. Injured, Lio Convoy was rescued by a white lion and scanned its form while recuperating. He then rescued his troops from another Predacon attack. Next, they set-up base on Gaia, now aware that Galvatron was after the powerful Angolmois energy.

Lio Convoy is later reunited with his "son", [[Lio Junior]]. While Lio convoy was first recovering from Predacon attack, the Spirit of Gaia copied his Leadership Matrix and infused it within Lio Junior, resulting in Lio Junior's belief that he is Lio Convoy's offspring. Lio Convoy wasn't very eager to be weighed down by a son, and Lio Junior spent the bulk of the series trying desperately to earn his acceptance.

[[Image:Lioconvoyinemminentdomain.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Continuity migraine.]]

At one point, an alien machine that could warp time and space crashed onto Gaia. The Predacons used it to summon the unstoppable mobile fortress, [[Majin Zarak]], and quickly trashed most of the Maximals. [[Magnaboss (BWII)|Magnaboss]] (the combined form of Lio Junior, [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]]) managed to summon [[Optimus Primal]] to their aid with the machine.

Primal and Lio teamed-up to battle Majin Zarak, who turned out to be a sentient robot and not just a battle station. Together, they combined the power of the Leadership Matrices to upgrade themselves into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy.

[[Image:Flashlioconvoy.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Ooh... shiny...]]

With Primal's enhanced strength and Lio Convoy's super speed, they weakened Majin Zarak. They then unleashed the power within their Matrices into a "Double Matrix Blast" which finished-off the monster.

Lio Convoy had many more wacky adventures on Gaia, including but not limited to: Evil Clones, Space Pirates and Fiesty Mexican Robot Insects. Eventually, Galvatron summoned the [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], a giant spacecraft, to suck all the Angolmois energy out of Gaia. The Maximals followed the Predacons to the Nemesis and Lio Convoy managed to infiltrate the ship with the help of [[Scuba]] and the [[Tako Tank]]. Inside, Lio Convoy faced Galvatron but could not defeat the Predacon Emperor of Destruction, who was now over-powered by Angolmois energy. Lio Junior soon arrived to rescue his daddy and the pair, with the help of "good" Angolmois energy, merged into the Great Green Warrior. They did battle with Galvatron and eventually defeated him, sealing the Angolmois energy into capsules and firing them off into space. Galvatron then revealed his big surprise and used his [[Galva-Matrix]] to cause the Nemesis to explode. Lio Convoy and the rest of the Maximals then fall into a wormhole.

====Beast Wars II manga====

====''Beast Wars Neo''====

After having their Angolmois capsules stolen by the [[Blentron]]s, [[Big Convoy]] and his Maximal new recruits are sucked into a wormhole while chasing their enemies. They came across Lio Convoy (whom they all had presumed dead) who explained to them that the Angolmois energy is really the lifeforce of [[Unicron]]. Lio Convoy used all his power to free the Maximals from the wormhole, though he remained trapped inside.

Lio Convoy eventually escaped from the wormhole and aided Big Convoy, the Maximals and [[Magmatron]] in the final battle against Unicron. After Big Convoy blew Unicron away with his Matrix Buster, the Maximals and Predacons formed an alliance of true unity and worked together to restore Cybertron. All of Lio Convoy's Maximal troops who were trapped inside the wormhole with him were eventually released and joined in the restoration of their homeworld.

===Robot Masters===

===IDW Beast Wars comics===
[[Image:Lioconvoy gathering.jpg|thumb|right|Hey, look, he turns into Liger Zero!]]

Lio Convoy sat at the Maximal Council, and told [[Razorbeast]] to follow [[Magmatron]] into the past.

{{-}}
==Toys==
===Beast Wars II===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-16'''
: Meow.

* '''Flash Lio Convoy'''

* '''Black Lio Convoy'''

===Robot Masters===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-22'''

* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-23'''

* '''Lio Convoy''' (Black, Dengeki Hobby)

===Classics===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
:This toy is a redeco of [[Legends of Cybertron]] [[Leobreaker]].

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/LioConvoy/lioconvoy.htm Lio Convoy at TFU.info]

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Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:35:03Z

159.134.162.193: Take your whining to the Talk pages. You still have the same arrogance, and jap/fan hating opinions that the Wiigiis do, plus LIO CONVOY IS THE OFFICIAL NAME OF THE CHARACTER.

Talk:Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:33:39Z

159.134.162.193: /* Name Change: Part the Third */

==Name Change==

We should probably use a different image for Lio's main one. Namely, one of his first toy-body in normal colors. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

*Yeah, I never really intended to use that as the main one, just as a place-holder since Google wasn't finding me anything better. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

::Can we move this to [[Leo Prime]] now? Please? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 14:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, Lord yes! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

::: Have we seen the back of his card to be sure Leo Prime is definately the same character? I mean clearly the deco is inspired by him, I'm just wondering if we've seen the bio. (Even if we havn't, it probably WILL be him, I know, but we wont be 100% sure till we see.)

::::It's probably in the history now and I can't change it, but there was an angry and non-researched well rant here by me a while ago. I've changed my mind a little. Blog entry explains all.

:::::We can't check your blog if we don't know who you are. Please, register a username and sign your posts with four tildes - and welcome to Teletraan I. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 07:06, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::It's Onslaught Six. I have an account here and I know about the tildes. I just don't feel like logging in and stuff.

:::::::Well, if you don't care enough to do that, why should we care about what you have to say? - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 21:10, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

==Personality==

Did Leo Prime have any actual personality in the Japanese stuff to record as his profile? As of right now it's mostly kinda a recounting of BW2 continuity specific story material rather than a true character profile. We should definately have a real profile whenever the IDW BW Guide comes out (soooon peeaaasse) but I was wondering if there was anything we could say about him personality wise as of now? What little I remember is pretty much "generic leader." [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:00, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

He's a Japanese leader. That means he has zero personality. Honestly, he was dull as dishwater in BWII. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 03:12, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

:I dunno, doesn't Leiconvoy party hard? Is eem to recall an episodew where he frank a lot of beer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

::: Wow, franking beer *is* pretty unique behavior. (I don't usually point out spelling, but I just find this one really funny.) It wouldn't surprise me too much if he was a partier, Japan seems to like the idea of TFs getting drunk. Although I would think that'd be more Big Convoys thing, off hand. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:30, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part Deux==

Question: Now that we know that the Classic "Legends" figures have no character/bio info on the cards (we DO know that right, I'm not imagining it?) don't we have to question if "Leo Prime" is actually the same characters as "Lio Convoy"? I mean, *YES* his deco is definately a homage, but LOTS of Universe toys feature homage-decos and the *exact* same names as existing G1 characters, and we've consistantly and purposely refused to treat them as being new versions of the existing robots here, because there's no official proof/bio/characterization one way or the other. Leo Prime's case is pretty much exactly the same thing isn't it (or possibly even weaker, since in those cases even the names matched perfectly)? Certianly a homage, but with nothing official to confirm it, there's no way to really say he's the same guy from BW2. Not officially. Am I missing something? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*I agree. The decision to change the name seemed premature to me. What is the basis for saying they are one in the same? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

*They do have bios, albeit short ones. Leo Prime's has "Cybertronian Supreme Commander" in it somewhere. Also, Classics isn't comparable to Universe because it is stated to be a continuation of G1 and doesn't involve multiple universe-hopping. We don't have [[Megatron (Classics)]] or [[Trypticon (Classics)]] pages. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:57, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
: What Int said. Though it will all come down to what they call him in IDW's BW profile book, I imagine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Spinning offa this, is there now more solid precedent for renaming Overlord as Gigatron? HOC is at least as valid as LOC, if anything it's actually more detailed. I understand some people are reluctant due to Dreamwave giving their character of Gigatron a completely different backstory than the fictional Overlord ever could have had--however, no material was ever canonically published that linked Overlord to Gigatron. Just interviews with Patyk/McDonaugh about where they'd like to take the character. It strikes me as no more consequential than 'The Greater Ape'. So why not rename?
:The European (thus, UK) release is named "Overlord". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:10, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::I think we're waiting on Overlord until we get maybe another universe for him...? there's enough of a case to say ovelord = Gigatron IMO, but they're treated '''so''' differently...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Again, though, there are TONS of instances of characters who are portrayed wildly different in different continuities. Take Marvel Grimlock vs. Cartoon Grimlock. Or Shockwave. Or Blaster. Hell, in Dreamwave's continuity, Scourge and Cyclonus are completely different robots rather than being reformatted from the seekers or the Insecticons. Should they get different pages, too? It's quite clear that Overlord and Gigatron are meant to be the same character, even if they were portrayed differently in different continuities. The same holds true for Leo Prime and Lio Convoy - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Hey, you're preaching to the converted here.. I think part of the problem is- what do you call him? he got an einglish-language release as overlord. if he was renamed Gigatron... we don''t usually 'respect' renames on the Wiki. (Silverstreak, et al.) Except- in Dreamwave continuity is HIS Gigatron.. but BY FAR he's best RECOGNIZED as Overlord. And, you know, actually saw release under that name. It's a pickle. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:22, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::His American release was Gigatron. Isn't that pretty much the standard we're using? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::*shrug* I will not oppose moving the article to Gigatron. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, if we were to consider J-Overlord and Gigatron the same character, then the same would apply to Lightfoot and Getaway, or Road King and Slapdash, etc. They're humans in robot suits, which their Western counterparts are not. Gigatron is the Hosehead to Overlord's Cab. Quite frankly, I advcoate making Gigatron as separate character article, just as the other Powermasters have separate articles from THEIR Godmaster counterparts, similar tech specs be damned. But, yeah, I'm probably in the minority on that. The problem, I suppose, comes with figuring out where Eurolord goes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::No, I'm down with that. I figure Masterforce Overlord should have his own separate article since he's a very distinctly separate... organism, then Eurolord/Gigatron a separate article. As for which name he'd go under, I vote Gigatron, since that's how we've got all the other Euro transplants from G2. (And is similar techs were all that, Charger would be Slag, and BM Mirage Skywarp.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:49, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

::::At this time and on little sleep, I would guess that Powermaster Gigatron and Eurolord fall under the same category as, say, G2 Laser Rod Jolt and G2 Illuminator Hotrod - essentially the same character with some details changed to suit the market. Saying that, I realize that Gigatron and Overlord have entirely different bios, but comparing [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1988/overlordtechs.jpg] them [http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/2004/gigatronboxback.jpg], I don't see anything that ''contradicts'' the other with the exception of Overlord having Energon mini figures and Gigatron being a Powermaster. On the other hand, maybe that's fanfic'ing it too much... man, does anyone have Andrew Frankel's address? I'm pretty sure he WROTE Gigatron's card bio and could just say what he intended the character to be. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I still don't understand why the Lio Convoy articles had to be changed to Leo Prime considering her's far better known as Lio Convoy, and has been a japanese character for far longer than a US character. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:55, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
:Because we go by English names for characters whenever they have them. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
::This is the English Transformers enyclopedia. Go to Japan's if you want Japanese names. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:59, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I should note that ironically I am in an argument with somebody on TFW2005 who insists on using japanese names, and I am arguing Hasbro's case. I just think that in this case, the predominantly japanese character should use the japanese name, since that's what everybody who has heard of or is familiar with the character knows him as. If, IF this was the case of a joint line like the UT where Hasbro concurrently released the toy with a US name, then I might agree, but they didn't, and only just gave it a name on a repaint of a small impulse-buy toy last year. Also, the idea to change Overlord to Gigatron just because of some long-forgotten LOC is foolishness and would have just made things confusing. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Your Gigatron comment would've probably been more relevant months ago. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 07:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::I hadn't joined then. But this still irks me. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:47, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:Uh guys, are we forgetting this toy '''was''' sold by Hasbro Collectors as Lioconvoy (or LioConvoy).[http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.hasbrocollectors.com/product.cfm?product=4]
[[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

==Name Change: Part the Third==
It looks like IDW is going to be calling him [http://comicnewsi.com/article.php?catid=208&itemid=9850 Lio Convoy]. How will this effect what we call the character here? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:If true, I'd prefer to change it back to Lio Convoy, since now his only official US characterisation has given him the original japanese name (it seems). Plus he's been a japanese character way longer. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:: I agree that if he IS Lio Convoy vs. Leo Prime when the actual IDW issues come out then yes it should be changed back, since then both would be US names and and Lio would have more story/history weight. It's wait and see at this point though, when the issues come we'll know. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Derik agrees with Zac- mostly because Leo Prime has cleared Hasbro legal... and we'd look ''exceptionally'' stupid if the issue came out and he was called Leo Prime, it's possible some copy editor just screwed up writing the promos. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::: There is no reason for it to remain Leo Prime when we've been told it's otherwise. If they change their mind when it comes to the Ascending, then it can be changed back. The character's official name in the fiction he appeared was Lio Convoy. Nothing past that matters.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:31:59Z

159.134.162.193:

Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:28:42Z

159.134.162.193: The character has been officially named Lio Convoy in western fiction. There is no logical reason to keep it at Leo Prime, other than to appease the Wiigii's anti-Jap leanings.

{{disambig3|Prime}}
:''Lio Convoy is a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:LioConvoy01.jpg|250px|thumb|right|He's no Leoric]]

A high-ranking member of the Maximals, '''Lio Convoy''' is honest to his core and possesses the strong sense of right and wrong that one expects from a robot with "Prime" in his name. In part he's a tough, hard, career-military robot, but he doesn't let that side of his nature totally dominate who he is. There is a very humane, even gentle side to him as well, and there are times when one can't help but suspect his seriousness has a hidden smile behind it. Though Lio Convoy dislikes fighting for its own sake, for a just cause he is more than willing to throw himself into the frey. He believes that through combat one can gain insight and understanding of an opponents true character and thought processes.

:''English name:'' '''Leo Prime'''

''('''Note''': This character originated in the Japanese-exclusive [[Beast Wars II]] series, with the name Lio Convoy. He made his first appearance in U.S. Transformers fiction with a role [[IDW|IDW's]] [[The Gathering]] comic mini-series, in which he was not named. With his first appearance in a [[Hasbro]] toy line as part of the [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] series, he received the new name Leo Prime.)''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Beast Wars II''====
''Voice actor:'' [[Hozumi Goda]] (Japan)

[[Image:Lioconvoy_preformat.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Why do my shoulders hurt?]]
A Supreme Commander with his own [[Energon Matrix]]. He led a troop of Maximal soldiers to planet [[Gaia]] to stop [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]].

After being attacked by a ship of rogue Predacons, lead by [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], Lio Convoy and his army of Maximals gave chase to their enemies. Lio Convoy and his crew of Maximals chased Galvatron to the distant planet Gaia where Lio Convoy was seperated from the rest of his troops while protecting [[Apache]] from a Predacon attack. The over-abundance of [[Angolmois]] energy proved harmful to Transformers, forcing all the Maximals to scan local wildlife for necessary beast modes. Injured, Lio Convoy was rescued by a white lion and scanned its form while recuperating. He then rescued his troops from another Predacon attack. Next, they set-up base on Gaia, now aware that Galvatron was after the powerful Angolmois energy.

Lio Convoy is later reunited with his "son", [[Lio Junior]]. While Lio convoy was first recovering from Predacon attack, the Spirit of Gaia copied his Leadership Matrix and infused it within Lio Junior, resulting in Lio Junior's belief that he is Lio Convoy's offspring. Lio Convoy wasn't very eager to be weighed down by a son, and Lio Junior spent the bulk of the series trying desperately to earn his acceptance.

[[Image:Lioconvoyinemminentdomain.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Continuity migraine.]]

At one point, an alien machine that could warp time and space crashed onto Gaia. The Predacons used it to summon the unstoppable mobile fortress, [[Majin Zarak]], and quickly trashed most of the Maximals. [[Magnaboss (BWII)|Magnaboss]] (the combined form of Lio Junior, [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]]) managed to summon [[Optimus Primal]] to their aid with the machine.

Primal and Lio teamed-up to battle Majin Zarak, who turned out to be a sentient robot and not just a battle station. Together, they combined the power of the Leadership Matrices to upgrade themselves into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy.

[[Image:Flashlioconvoy.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Ooh... shiny...]]

With Primal's enhanced strength and Lio Convoy's super speed, they weakened Majin Zarak. They then unleashed the power within their Matrices into a "Double Matrix Blast" which finished-off the monster.

Lio Convoy had many more wacky adventures on Gaia, including but not limited to: Evil Clones, Space Pirates and Fiesty Mexican Robot Insects. Eventually, Galvatron summoned the [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], a giant spacecraft, to suck all the Angolmois energy out of Gaia. The Maximals followed the Predacons to the Nemesis and Lio Convoy managed to infiltrate the ship with the help of [[Scuba]] and the [[Tako Tank]]. Inside, Lio Convoy faced Galvatron but could not defeat the Predacon Emperor of Destruction, who was now over-powered by Angolmois energy. Lio Junior soon arrived to rescue his daddy and the pair, with the help of "good" Angolmois energy, merged into the Great Green Warrior. They did battle with Galvatron and eventually defeated him, sealing the Angolmois energy into capsules and firing them off into space. Galvatron then revealed his big surprise and used his [[Galva-Matrix]] to cause the Nemesis to explode. Lio Convoy and the rest of the Maximals then fall into a wormhole.

====Beast Wars II manga====

====''Beast Wars Neo''====

After having their Angolmois capsules stolen by the [[Blentron]]s, [[Big Convoy]] and his Maximal new recruits are sucked into a wormhole while chasing their enemies. They came across Lio Convoy (whom they all had presumed dead) who explained to them that the Angolmois energy is really the lifeforce of [[Unicron]]. Lio Convoy used all his power to free the Maximals from the wormhole, though he remained trapped inside.

Lio Convoy eventually escaped from the wormhole and aided Big Convoy, the Maximals and [[Magmatron]] in the final battle against Unicron. After Big Convoy blew Unicron away with his Matrix Buster, the Maximals and Predacons formed an alliance of true unity and worked together to restore Cybertron. All of Lio Convoy's Maximal troops who were trapped inside the wormhole with him were eventually released and joined in the restoration of their homeworld.

===Robot Masters===

===IDW Beast Wars comics===
[[Image:Lioconvoy gathering.jpg|thumb|right|Hey, look, he turns into Liger Zero!]]

Lio Convoy sat at the Maximal Council, and told [[Razorbeast]] to follow [[Magmatron]] into the past.

{{-}}
==Toys==
===Beast Wars II===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-16'''
: Meow.

* '''Flash Lio Convoy'''

* '''Black Lio Convoy'''

===Robot Masters===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-22'''

* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-23'''

* '''Lio Convoy''' (Black, Dengeki Hobby)

===Classics===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
:This toy is a redeco of [[Legends of Cybertron]] [[Leobreaker]].

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/LioConvoy/lioconvoy.htm Lio Convoy at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Beast Wars characters]]
[[Category: Beast Wars II characters]]
[[Category: Classics characters]]
[[Category: Legends of Cybertron]]
[[Category: Maximal leaders]]
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Lio Convoy (BW)

2007-08-08T11:18:50Z

159.134.162.193: American elitist bullshit. The character has never been officially named in any western TF fiction, and has never even appeared bar a short cameo in the Gathering.

{{disambig3|Prime}}
:''Lio Convoy is a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:LioConvoy01.jpg|250px|thumb|right|He's no Leoric]]

A high-ranking member of the Maximals, '''Lio Convoy''' is honest to his core and possesses the strong sense of right and wrong that one expects from a robot with "Prime" in his name. In part he's a tough, hard, career-military robot, but he doesn't let that side of his nature totally dominate who he is. There is a very humane, even gentle side to him as well, and there are times when one can't help but suspect his seriousness has a hidden smile behind it. Though Lio Convoy dislikes fighting for its own sake, for a just cause he is more than willing to throw himself into the frey. He believes that through combat one can gain insight and understanding of an opponents true character and thought processes.

:''English name:'' '''Leo Prime'''

''('''Note''': This character originated in the Japanese-exclusive [[Beast Wars II]] series, with the name Lio Convoy. He made his first appearance in U.S. Transformers fiction with a role [[IDW|IDW's]] [[The Gathering]] comic mini-series, in which he was not named. With his first appearance in a [[Hasbro]] toy line as part of the [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] series, he received the new name Leo Prime.)''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Beast Wars II''====
''Voice actor:'' [[Hozumi Goda]] (Japan)

[[Image:Lioconvoy_preformat.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Why do my shoulders hurt?]]
A Supreme Commander with his own [[Energon Matrix]]. He led a troop of Maximal soldiers to planet [[Gaia]] to stop [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] and his [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]].

After being attacked by a ship of rogue Predacons, lead by [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]], Lio Convoy and his army of Maximals gave chase to their enemies. Lio Convoy and his crew of Maximals chased Galvatron to the distant planet Gaia where Lio Convoy was seperated from the rest of his troops while protecting [[Apache]] from a Predacon attack. The over-abundance of [[Angolmois]] energy proved harmful to Transformers, forcing all the Maximals to scan local wildlife for necessary beast modes. Injured, Lio Convoy was rescued by a white lion and scanned its form while recuperating. He then rescued his troops from another Predacon attack. Next, they set-up base on Gaia, now aware that Galvatron was after the powerful Angolmois energy.

Lio Convoy is later reunited with his "son", [[Lio Junior]]. While Lio convoy was first recovering from Predacon attack, the Spirit of Gaia copied his Leadership Matrix and infused it within Lio Junior, resulting in Lio Junior's belief that he is Lio Convoy's offspring. Lio Convoy wasn't very eager to be weighed down by a son, and Lio Junior spent the bulk of the series trying desperately to earn his acceptance.

[[Image:Lioconvoyinemminentdomain.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Continuity migraine.]]

At one point, an alien machine that could warp time and space crashed onto Gaia. The Predacons used it to summon the unstoppable mobile fortress, [[Majin Zarak]], and quickly trashed most of the Maximals. [[Magnaboss (BWII)|Magnaboss]] (the combined form of Lio Junior, [[Santon]] and [[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]]) managed to summon [[Optimus Primal]] to their aid with the machine.

Primal and Lio teamed-up to battle Majin Zarak, who turned out to be a sentient robot and not just a battle station. Together, they combined the power of the Leadership Matrices to upgrade themselves into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy.

[[Image:Flashlioconvoy.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Ooh... shiny...]]

With Primal's enhanced strength and Lio Convoy's super speed, they weakened Majin Zarak. They then unleashed the power within their Matrices into a "Double Matrix Blast" which finished-off the monster.

Lio Convoy had many more wacky adventures on Gaia, including but not limited to: Evil Clones, Space Pirates and Fiesty Mexican Robot Insects. Eventually, Galvatron summoned the [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], a giant spacecraft, to suck all the Angolmois energy out of Gaia. The Maximals followed the Predacons to the Nemesis and Lio Convoy managed to infiltrate the ship with the help of [[Scuba]] and the [[Tako Tank]]. Inside, Lio Convoy faced Galvatron but could not defeat the Predacon Emperor of Destruction, who was now over-powered by Angolmois energy. Lio Junior soon arrived to rescue his daddy and the pair, with the help of "good" Angolmois energy, merged into the Great Green Warrior. They did battle with Galvatron and eventually defeated him, sealing the Angolmois energy into capsules and firing them off into space. Galvatron then revealed his big surprise and used his [[Galva-Matrix]] to cause the Nemesis to explode. Lio Convoy and the rest of the Maximals then fall into a wormhole.

====Beast Wars II manga====

====''Beast Wars Neo''====

After having their Angolmois capsules stolen by the [[Blentron]]s, [[Big Convoy]] and his Maximal new recruits are sucked into a wormhole while chasing their enemies. They came across Lio Convoy (whom they all had presumed dead) who explained to them that the Angolmois energy is really the lifeforce of [[Unicron]]. Lio Convoy used all his power to free the Maximals from the wormhole, though he remained trapped inside.

Lio Convoy eventually escaped from the wormhole and aided Big Convoy, the Maximals and [[Magmatron]] in the final battle against Unicron. After Big Convoy blew Unicron away with his Matrix Buster, the Maximals and Predacons formed an alliance of true unity and worked together to restore Cybertron. All of Lio Convoy's Maximal troops who were trapped inside the wormhole with him were eventually released and joined in the restoration of their homeworld.

===Robot Masters===

===IDW Beast Wars comics===
[[Image:Lioconvoy gathering.jpg|thumb|right|Hey, look, he turns into Liger Zero!]]

Lio Convoy sat at the Maximal Council, and told [[Razorbeast]] to follow [[Magmatron]] into the past.

{{-}}
==Toys==
===Beast Wars II===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-16'''
: Meow.

* '''Flash Lio Convoy'''

* '''Black Lio Convoy'''

===Robot Masters===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-22'''

* '''Lio Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-23'''

* '''Lio Convoy''' (Black, Dengeki Hobby)

===Classics===
* '''Lio Convoy'''
:This toy is a redeco of [[Legends of Cybertron]] [[Leobreaker]].

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/LioConvoy/lioconvoy.htm Lio Convoy at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Autobot leaders]]
[[Category: Beast Wars characters]]
[[Category: Beast Wars II characters]]
[[Category: Classics characters]]
[[Category: Legends of Cybertron]]
[[Category: Maximal leaders]]
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Ruined FOREVER

2007-08-08T11:14:39Z

159.134.162.193: "Ruined forever" is already an exagerration - most fans don't go to those lengths. The incessant bias and pushing and everything Hasbro deserves to be mocked much more.

[[Image:Ruined_forever.jpg|thumb|250px|We believe in regular Preparedness Drills]]
[[Fans]] realize something [[Hasbro]] does not, that [[Transformers brand|robust 20-year-old billion-dollar franchises]], while seemingly healthy, are in actuality as fragile as two bricks tied together with tissue paper. One mistake, one bad mis-step will cause the entire thing to [[Gold Plastic Syndrome|shatter]] and fall apart; and '''Transformers would be ruined forever'''.

Fortunately, there ''is'' hope. The Transformers fanbase has resolved to remain ''ever vigilant'' against something that could Ruin Transformers Forever, and call out warning if they see something that could potentially do so.

Some Transformers conservationists suggest a more extreme approach, that Transformers should [[Wikipedia:Mickey Mouse|abandon all attempts at re-invention]] and instead [[Wikipedia:Masters of the Universe|cater exclusively to the old-school collectors]]. Though attractive, this approach may prove [[G.I. Joe|impractical as a long-term solution]].

Ruined Forever remains a serious threat to Transformers now and in the foreseeable future, though it's possible a proposed initiative requiring all Transformers fans to purchase an annual "[[Wikipedia:Carbon offset|plastic offset]]" could ensure our fragile brand's existence through the mid-21st century.

Of course, when people say "Ruined", they generally mean the integrity of the characters and fiction. In which case, it's somewhat true, as Armada for a lot of people set a lower precedent for the series to follow(as did RiD to an extent). Ironically, the reason that the movie didn't have the same alteration was because some dirty, filthy, FANS were involved in the making of Animated.

==Things that have '''Ruined Transformers Forever''' in the past==
* [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Death of Optimus Prime]]
* [[Generation 1 (toyline)#1987|The new toys]]
* [[Generation 2|The old toys]]
* [[Beast Wars|Munkies]]
* [[Beast Machines|Bob Skir]]
* [[Robots in Disguise|Anime]]
* [[JaAm|Dreamwave]]
* [[Fans|The Fans]]
* [[Armada (cartoon)|Pokeformers]]
* [[Armada (toyline)|Success]]
* [[Aaron Archer|Closing Orson's World]]
* [[Energon (cartoon)|Voicebox]]
* [[The Beast Within]]
* [[Glen Hallit]]
* [[Kiss Players|Japan]]
* [[Transformers (2007)|America]]
* [[Michael Bay|Bayformers]]
* [[Transformers Animated|Teen Titans]]

In other words, pretty much everything...

[[Category: Fandom]]
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