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Floro Dery

2009-12-12T03:38:16Z

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[[Image:Flo.jpg|right|167px|thumb|Hi. I designed all the Transformers. On TV. Mostly. ''The Movie'' definitely.]]
{{quote|MOST OF THE INFORMATIONS POSTED HERE ARE JUST TRASH!|"Charlie Alvarado" on this very article}}

'''Floro Dery''' (a.k.a "kuest144", "Ote", "Delamesa10" and "Charlie Alvarado") was the design supervisor for the original [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' cartoon]]. He was also responsible for simplifying many of the original designs down to the eventual [[character model]]s.

He has also taken credit for fully designing many of the elements of the series, including all the human characters and incidental robots. He has further claimed to have been the originator of the idea of [[Unicron|a transforming planet]],<ref>[http://members.aol.com/tfencyc/interview_dery.html ZMFTS interviews Dery]</ref> despite early Japanese concept sketches which precede his involvement. Many of his claims have been met by skepticism among the online fandom thanks to his own contradicting interviews throughout the years.

Floro Dery is very fond of his [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 movie]] designs, especially [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Gnaw]] (though even Dery doesn't like [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], and he designed the guy). In fact, if he hadn't drawn the movie characters more humanoid than their boxy predecessors, then "the Transformers by now would be a has been already like the Go-bots."<ref>[http://www.geocities.com/extraordinarypinoy/FLOROandTRANSFORMERS.html Sarah Paloma interviews Dery]</ref> Sadly, though, nothing excites him anymore except the coming [[Armageddon]].<ref>[http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/interview-with-floro-dery.html Transformers Philippines interviews Dery]</ref>

==Participation in the modern fandom==
[[Image:Deryizedsideswipe.jpg|left|300px|thumb|For the first-year characters, Dery simplified Shōhei Kohara's character models further for animation. He often removed wheels and enlarged the heads.]]
Dery is fairly infamous in the fandom for the outlandish and often very egocentric claims he has made in various interviews. Additionally, for years ''someone'' has been searching out Transformers forums and messageboards for mentions of his name and work, then posting under various aliases (often claiming to be one of Dery's "associates") to inflate his legend and verbally attack fan and foe alike for daring to criticize him or suggest that someone ''other'' than Dery designed something in the show. Needless to say, most fans assume that this is Dery himself.

The first such instance occurred on alt.toys.transformers in 2002,<ref>[http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.toys.transformers.classic.moderated/browse_frm/thread/5a4c8a0e53e2b287/f1a0eefc05e61dea?hl=en&lnk=st&q=kuest144#f1a0eefc05e61dea]</ref> which was a fairly civil series of posts, even if the rampant egomania was clearly in evidence from the outset. Later, he basically repeated the same post to correct the long-standing misconception that Marvel artist [[wikipedia: John Romita, Jr.|John Romita]] had been responsible for designing the animation models.<ref>[http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/5833ec08b5ae1b38]</ref> Following Zobovor's interview with Dery, however, which caused many to comment on Dery's self-centred eccentricities, the civility level began to drop as more posts from "kuest144" were made claiming that any critics of Dery were "jealous" and that he was so envied that it had led to "harassment". Not to worry, though—Marvel had specially set it up so he could work at home to avoid encountering these vicious haters! It was at this point that Rik Bakke pointed out that the screenname was (and indeed, still is) the same as one of Dery's homepage accounts.<ref>[http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/4ab851441125cdd8]</ref> A quick perusal of the Google Groups archive quickly reveals that every other post made by kuest144 either relates to Floro Dery or is to a Filipino newsgroup.

[[Image:Character models.png|right|200px|thumb|When Dery designed the second-year character models himself from scratch, they adhered more closely to the toys' proportions. Note how Dery's Red Alert (right) is much more stocky and toy-like in detail than Sideswipe (left), despite being based from the same toy.]]
Perhaps the most public case was that of "Ote," a poster who briefly appeared on [http://www.allspark.com The Allspark] to decry any critics of Dery's as "racists". Only a [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/25628.html small archive] of this hilarious series of interactions has been preserved, but "Ote" was firmly silenced when everyone pointed out that one of the most popular Transformers artists around, [[Don Figueroa]], is ''also'' Filipino.

Then, there's "delamesa10" [http://gettingintotransformers.blogspot.com/2007/11/floro-dery-visual-creator-of.html here].

And, of course, there's the case of "Charlie Alvarado" in evidence on [[User talk:76.213.224.139|this]] [[User talk:76.213.232.73|very]] [[User talk:76.213.244.5|wiki]].

The writing style and mannerisms evident in these assorted tirades, including the assorted howls at being insulted, the claims that clear arguments ''against'' him somehow prove his point, citations of the same material in more than one place despite the claims that it was found "by accident", and the general unhalting ''stupidity'' of the whole affair, makes it pretty clear that they're all the work of the same person, and they're immensely similar to Dery's own pontifications as seen in his interviews—so if it isn't him, then he has got one ''majorly'' rabid fan running around.

==Notes==
* In the opening credits for [[Scramble City]], Floro's first name was incorrectly spelled "Frolo".

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
*[http://usapang-komiks.blogspot.com/2007/05/interview-with-flory-derry.html Randy Valiente interviews Dery (in Tagalog)]
*[http://comicsillustration.blogspot.com/ Comics Illustrations According to Floro Dery]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20080308044215/http://hometown.aol.com/kuest144/ Flor Dery's site on the Wayback Machine]
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Talk:Floro Dery

2009-12-12T03:29:28Z

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I'm sorry, but has anyone proved thatOte was Dery? Or is this more whiny liberal famdom bullshit?
:"liberal fandom"? The hell? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:04, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
:Oh man, we have Floro Dery editing the wiki? This is ''awesome.'' --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 13:28, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
::Aw, dude, you totally freakin' stole the joke I was JUST making and couldn't post because you made it while I was making it. :) Anyhoooo... I don't think it was actually PROVEN that Ote was Dery, but, y'know... it's REALLY likely. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
::I knew this day would come. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:25, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
:::That's not ote; ote could spell. There was that joy of ote ratcheting up his description across two threads... He first claimed to be a production assistant, then production designer, and vehemently stating we were all racists against Filipinos, despite only maybe two of us '''knowing''' he was actually Filipino. Not that anyone ever brought it up other than ote anyway... The joy of being very, very, extremely probably trolled by a TF great for noting contradictions in interviews has never lost its luster to me. I should have taken screenshots.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Walky managed to copy paste most of the good stuff on his Livejournal back when it happened. If you look around his archives (or just a google), they should still be there. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::I know he got most of the main thread, but I have yet to dig up the insta-deleted "Who's A Racist Robot" thread in any capacity. I wasn't in that one, sadly, but I read it for the fifteen insane minutes it lasted.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:46, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Checking around some things, it seems Floro Dery named his daughter... Flor Dery. Don't know if that's noteworthy or not. Okey dokey.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:09, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

So, I'm doing a commentary for the new UK DVD of the movie tomorrow, I'm last-minute info-scrounging mode, and Dery comes up on my list of topics. Now, Ote was probably him... so how about [http://groups.google.co.uk/groups/profile?enc_user=CnuwaBIAAAD5JnRQqt8qQUlEqFoPDueZ8rhlH0Pnl47z4AZhN98BFg&hl=en THIS GUY]? "Dery is great" posts in ATT? Contributions to a fillipino newsgroup? Mercy. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:27, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:Dude, or [http://forums.toynewsi.com/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=340f8366808c56367155d3cd7b910637&search_in=posts&result_type=posts THIS] guy!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:33, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:: Oh god. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
::: He has arisen again. The "Kuest" name, if I recall, was an AOL address of his at one point, so I'm definitely betting that's him. I'm sort of skeptical of the TNI guy, however. I think he may just have latched on to what minimal info he had and ran with it. His point on Unicron is especially funny, however, since I believe the Diaclone planet design actually predates Transformers. The "are you paid by a toy company to discredit Floro" is just weird.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:::: Hmm... "Kuest144" pointed it out himself - "The reason why my e-mail address and Floro Dery's web site are the same is because I am letting him use my screen name. He ran out of space on his other web sites." Considering the number of sites Dery has set up (I've run across about four on AOL), I find that odd. The rest of his posts are very much in line with ote, minus the cries of racism, or at least none that I've seen yet. Awesome.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/25628.html stuff from allspark thread] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Hahaha. My favorite part is when obviously-Ote responds at the bottom, starting with, "What was the name of this guy, ote? Yeah, you are all racists." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Current Dery troll==
I'm not so sure this guy is Floro Dery. I admit, I have no experience with him and avoid blogs (there are some psychos out there) but the current guy seems too stupid to understand our arguments. His own posts are rather difficult to understand, and he somehow claims that our arguments reinforce his own extremely flawed ones. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:If you read any of the interviews that have been conducted with him over the years, you will see that the mannerisms are extremely similar. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:31, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
::Okay, but if you read the troll's current post, his logic is more than a little...absent. Seriously, I can't even understand it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Sadly, that's an indication that it is, indeed, Floro Dery. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Current troll is at the least claiming to be an ''associate'' of Mr. Dery, apparently in contact with him regarding the publishing of an art book.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:Again, that's what happened the ''last'' couple times. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
::Seventh verse, same as the first! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==Original model sheet?==

Where's that comparison pic of Sideswipe before and after being "Deryized" from? I've never seen the original models before, and I'm intrigued.{{unsigned|71.60.161.100}}

== "The Art of Floro Dery" site is gone? ==

Did the "The Art of Floro Dery" site move somewhere, and/or did anyone save a copy? I wanted to look up some of his stuff that didn't make it into The Ark for a character I'm researching... but Archive.org only has a partial copy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:09, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
: It went offline a few months ago. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:49, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

==More Information==

"Not only is he an illustrator of komiks, but he is also a painter, a designer, a writer, a screen director, a Major at the Philippine Military Academy, and a mathematics professor. Floro Dery holds the distinction as the only Filipino comics illustrator to be a PhD holder, a Doctor of Philosophy in Mathematics."
From http://www.alanguilan.com/sanpablo/2005_10_01_archives.html