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Talk:Bill Simmons

2011-05-05T20:16:10Z

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=="Simmons Family" category?==
We've got one for the Witwickys, I think we're getting perilously close to needing a Simmons one too. [[Special:Contributions/168.30.245.144|-hx at work]] 16:15, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Bill Simmons

2011-05-05T20:15:54Z

168.30.245.144: New page: =="Simmons Family" category?== We've got one for the Witwickys, I think we're getting perilously close to needing a Simmons one too. ~~~~

Talk:Omni Productions

2011-04-29T17:06:09Z

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According to Madman's info on their upcoming Masterforce DVD, the languages are English and Japanese, so unless they screwed up the listing, they might have included the dub on there. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:09, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

==Examples==
This page BADLY needs some examples of the dub madness. Also, Spaceship Bruce.

In fact, it'd be terrific if each episode had its own "Misquotes" section with the best of the quotes from the dubs. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:26, 13 February 2008 (EST)
: Oh no no, no no no no no...I watched Transformers RTM dub on T.V. when I was a kid and it was cool. Now it makes ears bleed, and all the Transformers in the show sound like they were dubbed by one poor, unfortunate voice actor. Who sounded British. Sometimes. Almost. Maybe. -- akindofdrifter

== Ownership ==

I think it should be pointed out somewhere that Hasbro now legally owns the outside-of-Japan rights to the Japanese G1 episodes, seeing as they're part of the Sunbow catalogue that they bought from TV Loonland. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:02, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

== Dubbed by Omni Productions ==

From a perusal of the ADR scripts of the Headmasters dubs as originally included with Metrodome's DVD release of the series, Omni Productions' name (and phone number) appears on some of the script headers. A quick check on Google reveals there is indeed an Omni Productions dubbing studio in Hong Kong with the very same phone number - so it looks like we've found the culprits actually responsible for these... ''experiences''. The company's also name-checked in a [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cqSOkywWeX4C&pg=RA1-PA153&lpg=RA1-PA153&dq=%22omni+productions%22+godzilla&source=bl&ots=h8oHHpJebO&sig=FrGGs2cG9lMHgV1tQpYf2N2isJA&hl=en&ei=z8ndSqDVD5GNjAfNyY1r&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22omni%20productions%22%20godzilla&f=false Godzilla profile book], which fits in with the same few voice actors being heard in some of the later Godzilla films (plus the detail on the actors mispronouncing simple words like ''Godzilla'' sounds familiar when one considers ''Roadimus'' Prime).

Omni probably merit a mention on the main page, but I'm not sure if the page itself should be retitled first since we've finally got the dubbing company name. We've got a statement that the "RTM 1 dub" is the most correct way of describing them, which might be a moot point now that we have Omni's name. Of course, I think most people still refer to them as the "Star TV dubs" anyway so I may be on the wrong track here! --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 10:47, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Holy biscuits! That's some nice detective work! Yeah, I think we could stand to rename the page to "Omni Productions dub" or something like that. Or maybe just "Omni Productions" and then rework it a bit to include information about both the company and the dub. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:04, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I'm veering toward just a plain "Omni Productions" article about the company since that's typically what we do with article about companies. We ''could'' split them. Keep the "RTM1 Dub" article as is and then make an article about Omni Productions the company.
::Oh, and we ''totally'' need a cast list. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:12, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I'll be goddamned. this is some of the biggest insignificant news we've had in a while! (I'm not kidding, that's awesome to know, but it's also way high on the Shit Nobody Cares About totem pole.) And yes, we need to give all four of the people who worked on the dub the credit (and mockery) they deserve. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 14:24, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

:::I second splitting off the company info, and also also have a burning need to know who these people are. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:30, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

::::Wow, didn't expect the page name change so fast - although I should've known better considering this site's standards! I'd be interested in a cast list as well (not that it would be a ''long'' list, obviously!), but alas this information will likely be much harder to find, as no matter how many productions Omni obviously dubbed, they went uncredited on all of them. Wonder why that was? :)
::::All I can say is that this is definitely the same company that Toei also used on the select Dragonball production, and that Toho seemed to use them an awful lot for films they made and distributed, like the aforementioned 80s/90s Godzilla films, and also various 80s anime movies like the 1984 Macross movie, Technopolice, Locke the Superman, Leda, etc.
::::Another thing I noticed when looking at the Omni scripts on the Headmasters DVD were the downright bizarre names they had for some of the characters that were made a bit more sensible by the time they actually dubbed the episodes. MegaZarak is called Chandler and Scorponok (Lord Zarak) is called Sogi, for instance in the scripts. Out of curiosity, I plugged those names into Google and it looks like these same names were used on a Spanish dub of Headmasters, clearly implying they used the same translation. What more does this tell us about Omni? Very little, I suspect. But somehow the idea that the episodes were translated from Japanese to Spanish and then to English might just explain why the scripts are as ''basic'' as they are. In any case, I think that's exhausted everything I can say about all this for now! -- [[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 11:15, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I only gave those scripts the slightest of perusals (there one or two there, as I recall, that aren't Omni scripts... the first episode, I think, seemed to be the original script for the episode, translated... it had a scene where the Throttlebots brought Spike up to speed on the Decepticon attack, IIRC), but I recall some of those crazy names, too. Scourge was "Garth" and the Autobot and Decepticon Clones were the Nicks and Bens Brothers. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:33, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Duuuuuuuuuuude. You KNEW about those awesomely awful script names for the characters ALL this time and never added them to the Wiki!? Keepin' em to yourself!? You greedy bastard. Angry face. >:( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
To satisfy Abates' burning need: I worked for a number of dubbing companies in HK in the 80's and 90's, including Omni Productions (as it came to be known later). If you have any questions I'll try to get back with answers in my spare time. There are a lot of misconceptions about the dubbing of series such as these, which unfortunately disparage those who were involved.
Maybe this might need another topic (I don't know what your wiki rules are). Talk later.
[[User:Preparetodie|Preparetodie]] 04:31, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:We would be ecstatic to devour any information you have to offer. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:43, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::I think some of the basic information such as who actually commissioned the dubs and who the actors were wouldn't go amiss. Was it Takara, Hasbro or Toei themselves who bankrolled these dubs; when was this done and why? Hasbro Malaysia (known as Palmyra Enterprises) during the original airing of the dubs in Malaysia actually sponsored the series, so they were coordinating their marketing efforts with an early (the earliest?) known airing of the series in English, complete with most of the original three Japanese toylines freely available in that region a couple of years after they were released in Japan.
::Where did the weird names come from in the original dialogue scripts, that were almost all completely changed to their Hasbro (not Takara) equivalents where applicable? With regard the actors, it would be understandable if you don't want to ID any of them given the comments made about the dubs. In any case, from comparing the Transformers dubs to the anime movies mentioned above, it's clear the Transformers dubs were done in a far shorter space of time with accordingly fewer resources (actors). [[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 07:21, 12 December 2010 (EST)

Okay, the information I have may be a bit sketchy because I don't think I was working for them when they did Transformers, I only joined them in 86. However, I did contact my ex-boss who gave me the following info: "Interesting thing is, when we dubbed Transformers, over 30 years ago, we were not called Omni Productions. At that time we were called [***]. Also we were provided with a list of names by the client that we had to rigidly adhere to. Reason for this was they were producing toys, models of all the characters at the same time as we were dubbing". It's strange therefore that the dubs are referred to as the Omni Dubs.

I suspect the dubbing scripts were written from the En subtitle list or Jp/En translation provided by the prod company. This is the way it usually was done. As far as I remember, our clients were the companies that bought the rights to the series (whether Transformers or any other series or movies) in the export country, not the companies that produced them. For example, if a Chinese movie was bought for distribution in the Philippines, we'd dub an English language version for it. For the most part, the budgets were extremely low, which limited both the number of actors we could use and the time we had to write/dub it. TV series and cheap movies were mostly dubbed on video, although the better stuff was done on 35mm. Remember that the target markets were usually not native English-speaking, so the absolutely perfect American accent was not a deciding factor. We had Americans, Canadians, Australians, Brits, it was like the United Nations. You just had to be damn quick - dub 3 or 4 pages on the fly without stopping. Obviously, to a native English-speaker, the different accents stick out a mile.

Omni (as it later became known, and under its original owners) also did some very high quality stuff (award-winning TV series, documentaries)and some films by famous Chinese directors. Obviously, the budgets in these cases were not the same and time was less of a factor.

Important note: This information refers to the Transformers dubbing done some 30 years ago and, more generally, to the way things were done when I worked for them back in the 80's and 90's. I don't know about Headmasters or any more recent stuff. The company was sold on a few years back and I have no contact with the new owners.

For the list of dubbers, I'd have to ask the company's then owner if he remembers who did what and we'd probably have to get their permission. It might be complicated. I'll try to give you more info if required.
:I'm guessing your boss might be misremembering things here, because Transformers themselves aren't 30 years old, let alone the dubbed series, which were from 1987 to 1989. Since you joined them in 86, it would in a way suggest that you were indeed around while these series were being dubbed.
:Still, some interesting, if somewhat vague, stuff in here. Was Omni really originally called [***] or are you self-censoring? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:43, 17 December 2010 (EST)

:We got the Omni Productions name from the ADR scripts as mentioned above. I guess the name could have been added to them when they were supplied to Metronome. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:12, 17 December 2010 (EST)

You may be right about the vagueness in dates. When I joined, the company mainly did feature films and TV series, and I don't remember anyone talking about Transformers at the time, although I was just a newbie, so I wasn't informed of everything that was going on.

No, the company wasn't called ****. I just didn't think it necessary to include it. It wasn't my company, so just being polite. It's of no consequence I assure you.

I'd be interested to see a screenshot of the titles (or a short avi) with "Omni Productions" mentioned. It might yield some info that would be useful... just a guess.

FWIW, a lot of the dubbers worked as bit actors in HK films of that era. Just type in Godfrey Ho on Youtube. Godfrey was the king![[User:Preparetodie|Preparetodie]] 14:33, 18 January 2011 (EST)
:Do you happen to know the names of any voice actors, and if possible, characters they voiced? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 14:36, 18 January 2011 (EST)
::Oh my god. Oh my god. The Headmasters dub team was the same team who did all the Godfrey Ho movies? That is two of my biggest nerd interests in pure joyous conjunction. Oh my god. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:30, 18 January 2011 (EST)

Just looking back through the thread and I noticed someone mentions a phone number. What was that number? It would help me identify if we're talking about the actual Omni or the previous one. Also, is there a (c) and date reference?

Just an extra note on the Transformers / Godfrey Ho link: In HK at the time, there were 2 or 3 dubbing "teams" that co-existed. Some members used to dub with more than one team, so there was a lot of crossing over. Omni (old version) did most of the high quality stuff, along with Annie M. There was another "team" that did a lot of TV stuff for TVB and ATV. For Godfrey and other "B" quality dubbing, teams were usually pulled together on an ad-hoc basis and supervised either by the local director (Godfrey or others) or by the dubber who got the contract. (I remember dubbing a whole war film in 5 hours flat with just four dubbers in the studio!) Later, Omni's policy was to require exclusivity with its dubbers, in great part due to the fact that Omni was the only company that would actually train dubbers (fair's fair...).

So, if the dub you're talking about was done during those years up to about the early 2000's, then some of the voices on the dub will probably be found in some of Godfrey's films (mainy from an earlier era). I'd really need to hear the sound to identify any voices. However, you afficionados may be able to identify some voices by looking at the clips on Youtube. If I manage to find any of my co-dubbers, I'll ask them the question though.
[[User:Preparetodie|Preparetodie]] 09:22, 20 January 2011 (EST)

::: You can listen to some of the voices here if it helps any [http://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/tv-shows/Transformers-Headmasters/]

[[Special:Contributions/98.213.117.127|98.213.117.127]] 13:19, 26 January 2011 (EST)

:I don't know if we've ever pinned down exactly when the dubs were made, but the last Victory episode screened in Japan in December '89, and [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.anime/msg/a24d89d277860593?hl=en this Aug '92 rec.arts.anime post] says the Omni Victory dub had already aired by that point, so it looks like they were done in the very early 90s. Can someone with the ADR scripts check for dates? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:44, 20 January 2011 (EST)

::The ADR scripts mostly have Omni's details blanked out of any pages where they would have appeared, but a couple slipped the net, most notably on page 16 of episode 16's script, which clearly states on the page header "OMNI PRODUCTIONS LTD TEL No. 852 792 9674 Mar 28.92", so this, along with the usenet post cited above, and indeed a [[End_of_the_Road!_(UK)#cite_note-0|letter]] that appeared in the UK comic definitively pins down the dubs as existing by the early 1990s. Given that dubbed Masterforce was already on TV in 1990, it's possible that the Headmasters dub might have been initiated while Victory was still airing in Japan, rather than waiting until all three series had aired. At the earliest it looks like they were either dubbed between late 1989-1990, or at the latest 1990-1991, so that's the sort of timeframe we're looking at. - [[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 18:31, 20 January 2011 (EST)

I took a look at the voices page. I think I can identify at least four voices: SixShot, Galvatron, Blaster Hound, Carly and SnapDragon. I'm pretty sure SixShot, Blaster and Hound were done by the same guy. All these dubbers worked at some point for Omni (and its previous incarnation) before it was sold on in the early 2000's.
[[User:Preparetodie|Preparetodie]] 10:22, 2 February 2011 (EST)

Has anyone stopped to consider that this information suggests that there may somewhere exist a Spaceship Bruce toy? I mean, what I gather from the above is that these dubs were commissioned by someone who intended to use them to sell toys, and the character names were likely specified by them. The toys didn't necessarily need to be sold in HK, the company who commissioned them may have been based there, or they got a good deal on the dubbing there. And it didn't even need to go to a country that had a lot of native English-speakers (in fact it likely didn't), it probably went to a country where something being in English alone lent it credibility, even though the target audience wouldn't understand it well (or at all). Anyway, great to see that a lot of these old mysteries are finally being solved. Now lets find someone with a hot-rod go-cart.

== Screen/source ==

I think we should mention that the source of Omni Productions is possibly direct from the on-air version in Japan instead of video released in Japan. Since in several episode (especially in ''Masterforce'' section), lots of [[wikipedia:telop|message]] (in Japanese) is visible on screen saying "There will be ''blah blah blah'' next week" and something like that. --04:48, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Characteristics ==

The section almost exclusively deals with name changes. There should definitely also be a paragraph, however brief, about the general way in which characters talk, including the "translation" of Japanese curses and swear words with ''offensive'' English equivalents such as "You are an evil man!"--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:51, 20 October 2010 (EDT)

== Missing from the US release ==
We should probably discuss somewhere that the Shout! Factory DVDs won't have these tracks. -hx at work

Talk:Icepick (PCC)

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Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots (franchise)|GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Money? Power? The teachings of Ayn Rand? They're just plain crazy? (the real question is why the Decepticons would ally with the humans!) -hx at work

Protoplasm stripper

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:''Protoplasm strippers are [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] technology from the [[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Sucker Punch protoplasm stripper.jpg|400px|right|thumb|It slices! It dices! It makes great Julienne fries! Now, how much would ''you'' pay for one of these?]]
The '''protoplasm stripper''' is a cylindrical device meant for separating the worthwhile parts of organic creatures from the rest. Evidently, it's something you'll see the [[Decepticon]]s use a lot more than the [[Autobot]]s. The only version shown so far was designed for [[human]]s of the size range as seen on [[Earth]], but it's likely versions for other sizes exist as well.

Most of the protoplasm stripper is made of diaphanous material so its user can keep an eye on the disassembly process.

==Fiction==
===''G.I. Joe Starring Snake-Eyes and Transformers Generation 2''===
{{storylink|Sucker Punch}} {{storylink|Final Transformations}}
{{stub}}

[[Category:Generation 2]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Talk:Humanization

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===Eating===
: In some fictional depictions, movie megatron devours Sparks. Could this be counted as eating?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:24, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:: I wouldn't think so. From what I can tell of the descriptions of Megatron eating, he does it in a very animalistic way. We humans have a tendency not to jump on what we want to eat and going in head first in the chest cavity... We usually prefer to use utensils, and eat sitting down at a diner table. It's more like animalizing, if anything, to make him look more vicious and predator-like. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:04, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

==Do not put spoilers==
Just because Bumblebee 'crying' was seen in the Revenge of the Fallen trailer doesn't mean you have the right to spoil the movie now.[[Special:Contributions/65.173.90.94|65.173.90.94]] 17:14, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

==Devastator==
I don't really think his balls are a form of "humanizing." He is more like a wild beast, so it would be more like "animalizing." Animals have balls, too. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:10, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

:Really? I was not aware that animals do not engage in the following activities: Sweating, Coughing, Breathing, Spitting, Crying, Eating, Flatulence, Urination, Sleeping, Aging, Sexuality
:
:Nor was I aware that no animals possess: Teeth, tongues, eyeballs, eyelashes, breasts, lips, or hips.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:02, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

::Well sure, but most cases the Transformer is acting human, and those things are there to enhance their human-ness. Devastator lumbers around on all fours, growling and roaring, and without enough sense of modesty to cover his wrecking balls. Beastly. Not "humanizing." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:12, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

:::The balls are mentioned is because it simply ..."Hey, Devastator gets a questionable bodyparts". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:41, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Smelling ==

Transformers can hear things and see things. Seeing and hearing isn't humanization, why is smelling. Smelling is just another sense. I would think a sentient robot would be able to smell things. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:00, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
:What purpose would sense of smell serve for a Transformer? It's admittedly sort of weird to assume that a race of robots would communicate mainly by talking (how about wireless radio communication or something?), but it's easily acceptable, if only for storyline purposes, and the benefits of sight are obvious, but why would a robot, who comes from a <s>completely</s> ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|mainly]]'' technological planet ever need to smell anything? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 07:14, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
::Plenty of reasons. Smell can communicate a lot of things even if you can't immediately see or hear anything. It's basically a form of chemical detection, which I think even robots would find useful. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:24, 20 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, if TFs can taste, they probably need smell, too. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 09:39, 20 September 2009 (EDT)

== Megatron coughing ==

Which specific episodes of ''Beast Wars'' have Megatron coughing? That bit needs some clarification. (Would do it myself, but I don't know that much about the Beast era.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:47, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

==Old age==
"In an issue of the Marvel UK G1 comics, Kup's systems are going to shut down because he is too old." - which issue is this a reference to? In "[[Kup's Story!]]" he has a psychological condition ([[combat fatigue]]) but it's not necessarily because of his age is it? And his systems aren't shutting down anyway...unless there's another issue that addresses this? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:17, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

==Breathing==
There was actually a deuterocanonical discussion of the BW TFs breathing on ATT back in the day, I think. Bob or Larry one gave the "it helps ventilate" explanation summarized as "Put some tape over the fan on your computer and see what happens." In trying to find it, I did come across a statement from Larry that the BW cast become "fully organic" in beast mode, so they can be strangled, etc. -hx at work [[Special:Contributions/168.30.245.144|168.30.245.144]] 12:18, 6 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers

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How about the statement that Metrotitan is made of the ghosts of dead Decepticons? I know I've heard that thrown around a time or two back in the day.... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:23, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats Violinjyger and it's true.

Alright, how about something about how G2 is G2 and everything after the movie, while technically a second generation, is not "G2" (although I recall hearing that Pat Lee regarded it as such).--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:37, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

== Addition to the Beast Wars Section: Black Arachnia was inspired by an Asian stripper ==

Can some please add this? The guy from Mainframe said (you can find his post on A.T.T.) that their animator, WHO IS OF ASIAN DESCENT, was taken to a strip club before he worked on BA's animation model. There was NEVER any mention of an Asian stripper by ANYONE from Mainframe, EVER!
:I had forgotten this one, but it DID have a serious amount of play in the late 90's fandom... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== French Starscream ==

I went ahead and removed the entry about Starscream. First of all, while I don't know about Bigbot's reliability... the sound clips ARE legit. And the French source you pulled from TFW2005 referred to Starscream being male in the CARTOON (ie "episodes") rather than the movie itself, which used an entirely different dub team.

I'm French Canadian, all my ancestors came to Canada from France, between the ages of three and ten, I rented the movie in French every single time I was at my grandparents' house. So I know what I'm talking about here. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would also assume that the French fans interviewed to dispell that theory ALSO knew what they were talking about. And [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhOCYZRxypM this Youtube clip] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAodylu8rWw this other Youtube clip] don't make him sound very female to me. It's your word against both other French fans and evidence I just watched with my own eyes, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno how many more bloody times I must say this, the French movie used a different dub team from either French dubs of the cartoon. I even pointed it out in Starscream's article. Yes, in the TV show he was a guy, but in the movie, the new dub team made him and Shrapnel girls. [http://www.bigbot.com/mp3/transformers_mp3.shtml#Femmes Listen to those clips for proof.] Those are legit from the TFTM I watched growing up. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I tried to get Nevermore to clarify on this when he made the changes, but he was unable to provide more info. Can you confirm that Starscream was characterized / referred to as female in the movie, along with the feminine voice? I think it's important that we clarify the myth as "partly true" rather than just delete it, but I want to be sure we have it all nailed down. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, aside from the obvious voice, Megatron says to Starscream "Tu es une imbécile." In English, "an idiot" would be used to refer to a male or a female idiot, but in French the article varies in gender, were Starscream a male he would have said "Tu es un imbécile." instead of "une imbécile". ([[Wiki:French_articles_and_determiners#The_indefinite_article|French articles and determiners]])
:::::Shrapnel being female is OBVIOUS from the fact that Kickback calls him/her "Mademoiselle Shrapnel", which translates to "Miss Shrapnel".
:::::I'm trying to locate video clips of the French dub of TFTM to have more than just sound clips but so far I haven't found any... not sure where I could find a VHS tape in this day and age either... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For those wondering why Shrapnel's being mentioned here, you can read [[Talk:Shrapnel_(G1)|this link]], which is how this whole issue was brought up in the first place. But note that I've never questioned (for I've had no reason to do so) movie Shrapnel's femininity.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:17, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

==Repackaged old toys==
I think we should also have something on the notion that new-packaging releases of older toys are old unsold items taken back from store shelves, pulled from their cards, and RE-packaged onto new cards. I mean, this HAS to be bullshit. But I'm not sure of the best way to phrase it, since it's not a ridiculous argument that comes up very often. I wonder if Kyde has any insights on this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:20, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know that I've ''ever'' heard somebody claim that, but admittedly, I have been out of online TF discussions for a year or two, and have never read the web boards regularly. I think that unless this is something that actually comes up semi-frequently, there's not much reason to bring it up in the article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I've heard it said repeatedly that REDECOs are unsold toys that are sent back to Hasbro and repainted. Of course, I've only ever heard it said on Tformers. Those posters probably aren't competent enough to be held accountable for their actions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:29, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
::I've seen it several times over the course of years. Certainly more than I've seen "Shrapnel's a girl in France" and "Geman movie omitted Starscream's death"... which is never before the wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, what Siph said. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I've recently had a discussion with a common friend of ours, who is a longtime hardcore collector with inside contacts, and even ''he'' believed in the "repackaged toys are REpackaged in the literal sense" theory until I pointed out to him how expensive that would be. So I agree with Sipher here that it deserves a place on this page.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article?==
If we can get a few pictures... like the catalog image of blue-sided Bluestreak, Raiden in the Headmasters cartoon, a few other things... I think this page should have Featured status. It's important shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say all the reference links are going to need alternate text before we can safely call this a featured article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

=="Confirmed" myths?==
Would it be worth it to add urban legends that are actually true? (I'm thinking here things like "Sunstreaker and Sideswipe's/Starscream and Skywarp's tech specs were swapped, there was a Unicron toy planned during G1 that had an Orson Welles voice chip, etc.) Some of those things almost reach the status of urban legends in the fandom (not as much as they used to, now that information is easier to come by, but still.) Also, we need to add "Armada was supposed to tie together all previous TF continuities" or whatever the dumb rumor was. Also, maybe something to explain exactly what the RTV dubs really are (made in Malaysia, not Singapore, did they REALLY air in Hawaii/Mexico/wherever as I've seen people claim, etc.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:40, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
: Also, "There was a Transformers breakfast cereal with Bumblebee-shaped marshmallows and when you poured milk on it, they changed from car mode to robot mode." A kid at my school SWORE he had eaten this. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:42, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

==TF:TM soundtrack evidence of "lost" scene==
The 10 seconds in question are from 02:29 to 02:39 in "Death of Optimus Prime" on the original soundtrack CD. There was at least one other release of the soundtrack, right? Can anyone check and see if the mysterious sequence is there too? Or, hell, if anyone has heard of DiCola giving an alternate explanation, please disabuse me of the whole notion. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

== Misconception? ==

"A misconception usually held by casual fans or nostalgic adults is that of the original 1980's cartoon being the best fiction and most influential/successful line to date, with all other successors being unpopular and/or unsuccessful ventures.
Some of this misconception is based on the fact that most of the original audience stopped watching and following the franchise after its cancellation, or even before (as it wasn't "cool" to be kiddy once the puberty hit). Without any exposure to the market, the toyline and the new cartoons, they simply assume that Transformers has sunk in both popularity, quality and sales, since it's not what they remember."

Any facts/sources to back this up? I'd bet that actual sales between the demise of G1 and Micheal Bay stepping in were significantly lower, which would seriously contradict what's being said here.

:According to lists that used to be published in Tomarts(?) magazine, Transformers has consistently placed in the top 3 boys toys properties since the beginning of Beast Wars. Robots in Disguise and Armada both reported record profits, though Energon and Cybertron didn't seem to match Armada's success. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::How ''did'' Energon and Cybertron sell, anyway? It seems widely known that Armada sold like hotcakes, but nobody ever brings up the two sequels in that regard. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:44, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==Team names and vowel breaks==
While I'm good with the "Seacons" inclusion... well, bot every Decepticon team had an "i" vowel break... like the Predacons. And not every team had a vowel break at all... like the Triggercons, and arguably the Firecons. On the other hand... were the Seacons the only ''two-syllable name'' team, where everyone else had three? Nothing else is springing to mind... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:Whether it's a "a" or an "i" is kinda moot; the point is that there ''was'' a break in all the teams before them. (FWIW, to a lazy Southern tongue like mine, the "i" and "a" are almost indistinguishable. It all comes out "uh-cons" regardless.) As for the contemporaneous Triggercons, there's no ambiguity in their name, as there's no vowel there to be misappropriated. Right or wrong, the extraneous "uh" in "see-uh-cons" comes from the "a" in "Sea". Last question: "Firecon" is only two syllables, innit? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:03, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's only two syllables if you're a dirty southerner. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::I'm a Southerner, and I say it "Fie-er". Any rate, the point is the current entry says "all teams had 'i' vowel breaks". Which ain't true... I'm more inclined to believe it's a "three-plus syllables" pattern. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:::(D'oh. Terrorcons!) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I think we should start calling the Pretender Monsters the Pretendicons, just to keep with the pattern. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

==Soundwave's buttons==
I think there are actually two separate issues at work here. I'd always been under the impression that G1 Soundwave underwent a running change in both the U.S. and Japan--going from the distinct, inset early buttons to the big protruding single chrome block later. After that change occurred, the mold was altered to turn it into Soundblaster. That was why Hasbro said at first they couldn't use the tooling anymore--because the door had been changed. The Takara bookbox reissue solved this by making a new version with a hybrid single door / late chrome button style, and also keeping another version with all of Soundblaster's features still around. Have I completely misunderstood the issue? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:35, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

== R-rating ==

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=40510

Huh.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:13, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't they clarify that he was actually talking about Disturbia, Shia's OTHER PG-13 movie that came out that summer? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:19, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Plagiarizing ==

Yeah. [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9107] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9113] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9160] [http://www.thatguywiththeglasses.com/blog/9169] Awesome work stealing our content and adding your poorly written own stuff, sucker!--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:56, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:I like how he added his own dumb "conclusions", which mostly contradict the copy+pasted text and are just completely wrong too. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:38, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::I've talked with some Brian guy over at that site, and he says he'll be deleting the blogs. Victoly? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Hasn't happened yet.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:58, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Surprise! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:48, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Looks like it's been removed.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:10, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

== "Companies" section? ==

I've seen the misconception that Tomy bought Takara (rather than merging with them on equal terms) thrown around quite a few times...What else could go into such a section?

Additionally, thise page has grown quite large. Should we split it?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:12, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

==Variations in Europe==

''Some toys were exclusively (or predominantly) available in the United Kingdom (sometimes also the Netherlands)''

As I understand it, one of the reasons why this one may have taken root is because when the franchise began Hasbro in the UK and continental Europe were not yet integrated and so the releases were separate - I think the UK may have even begun the toys in late 1984 (which would explain why the comic began in September that year rather than waiting for the toys advertised to arrive the next). Most of the sightings of toys being available in one market but not the other, though in my experience tend to be cases of the UK not getting toys seemingly available on the continent - e.g. issue #60 of the UK comic reports Blaster being available in Germany with German tech specs - rather than the other way round. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 08:04, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. I saw Trypticon and Bruticus box-set on sale in Greece, and Deluxe Insecticons and Shockwave in France circa 1986. None of these were ever available in the UK. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 08:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:But this section is not referring to European releases of regular US toys. It's referring to Euro-exclusive toys like the "Classic" reissues, Turbomasters etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 02:52, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

==Here's an old one I just remembered==
Since the Diaclone & Microchange molds have copyright dates from the 70s on them, the original toys are from the 70s as well. That one's been pretty well debunked by actual release date info, but we should probably have something on the wiki explaining the reason that toys from '82 were marked '78 or whenever. It's something to do with how Japanese patent or copyright law or whatever worked at the time, IIRC - since Microchange STARTED in the late 70s, all the toys, no matter whne they dropped, had the copyright date of the initial product. At least, I think that's how it worked. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 10:51, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
:Correct. Japanese copyright stamping at the time went by year of the brand's inception, not the year the toy per se was created. (I'm not sure if that's still the case in Japan. For any toys produced for non-Asian markets, it seems they're adhering to the date of manufacture rather than brand inception. At least, I can't recall the last time I saw a new TakaraTomy or Bandai toy with an old copyright date on it.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:01, 30 September 2009 (EDT)
::Right. and shortly after posting this, I see it's already on there. It seems like we might need a more logical organizing process for this thing - maybe a "pre-Transformers" section before G1 to cover stuff like this exactly. Kind of track it through the history of the series, rumors about pre-TF toylines first, then rumors about TF development (John Romita drawing the character models, f'rinstance) and then kind of an era-by-era as appropriate. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 11:40, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

== Blue Bluestreak ==

My brain is too fried from using Linux to make the appropriate edit right now and have it come out not terrible, but I think it's weird that the article acts like we have absolutely no idea why the rumor of a blue '''''Blue'''''streak would be more widespread than the rumor of a dark gray Astrotrain. (And this is the part where someone assumes I don't know what his name means.) --[[User:Andrusi]]

== Can we get this page locked down? ==

Pages of this nature should never be open to anonymous edits, because somebody, somewhere, will take offense to us "lecturing them" on why they're wrong. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:51, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:That probably won't stop them from making an account just to do the exact same thing anyway. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 16:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)

== Japanese dub of Animated ==

Japanese Animated is a separate continuity from the Movieverse, right? But there was some early coverage that claimed otherwise, which still has people fooled? Is that correct?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:41, 30 October 2010 (EDT)

== "Transformers was nearly rated R by the MPAA." ==

It sounds like this is true, so does it belong here as a misconception or urban legend? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 02:00, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Because it's Shia's OTHER film, Disturbia, that was almost rated R. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:08, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Neo/Car Robots Connection- ==

While I am not disputing that it is not a direct sequel, it might be worth noting that this one does have *some* vague credence, as it does include time-travelling Predacons/Destron(gers) as well as the semi-cameo by Heinlad in the pilot. I would imagine that these elements were included, in part at least, to help the transition from the "Beast Era" fiction to generation-spanning mash-up land. Which, still, a sequel does not make, I grant you. But it might be worth mentioning that there are elements beyond "animation style" that point towards this misconception, the Heinlad 'cameo', especially--[[User:Destrongerlupus|Destrongerlupus]] 15:44, 12 November 2010 (EST)

== War for Cybertron is a prequel to the G1 cartoon/War for Cybertron is part of G1 ==

This section comes across as very pedantic, almost like "Hasbro declared it part of Prime, therefore it is. All the contradictions with the Prime cartoon and the similarities with G1 mean nothing, as they are overruled by Hasbro's official verdict". Yes, I know Hasbro has the last word, but seriously...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:32, 28 November 2010 (EST)
:But that is the case. WFC has superficial similarities to G1 so casual fans automatically ASSume that it is part of that continuity. Hell, many of them don't realize that there are multiple G1 continuities. As the Prime franchise integrates and synthesizes elements from all previous continuity families, there are bound to be similarities to G1. However, the franchise is so new that it is hard to get a feel on what it is. Hasbro's statements as to what belongs where is all that we really have to go on as of yet. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:38, 28 November 2010 (EST)

::I think the section as it is currenty described is pointless. It is G1 cartoon-centric and the reasons why WFC is not G1 also apply to nearly all the G1 comics! [[Special:Contributions/82.15.221.203|82.15.221.203]] 11:56, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:::Except people don't seem to think that WFC is in Marvel or IDW continuity. When people think it's G1, they think it's cartoon G1. The only other G1 universe I ever see people try to fit it into is War Within, and the section discusses that as well. The reason for it being cartoon-centric is because most people are under the belief that it is part of the cartoon. WFC cannot fit into any G1 universe and it's confirmed to not be a new one. The comics, while presenting different views, are G1. WFC may seem like another interpretation, but that's been debunked. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:19, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:As I understand it, the creators were creating it as part of G1, as far as they were concerned. As far as I am concerned, creators of a licensed Transformers product made a G1 story, so it is a G1 story. The wiki's position on the matter really does boil down to "Hasbro declared it part of the modern continuity, therefore it is." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:52, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::It was ''specifically a sequel to the original cartoon'', as far as the video game folks were concerned, despite the Jetfire and the Aerialbots and the Stunticons and the totally new origin for Optimus prime. The video game folks can be wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:59, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:::So it had a sloppy/loose, video-game-level of attention to continuity. The cartoon itself has conflicting origins. Anyway, the section should probably say something about the video game folks and their press statements, since the "War for Cybertron is G1" myth didn't come out of nowhere. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:08, 29 November 2010 (EST)
Here's a possible rephrasing: "High Moon Studios, the creators of the WFC game, intended for it to be a prequel to the G1 Sunbow cartoon, and the two share some broad similarities (though they are irreconcilable in detail). However, Hasbro has declared that WFC is a micro-continuity in the Prime franchise, not G1, and ''ex cathedra'' pronouncements from Hasbro trump authorial intent." [[User:JW|JW]] 14:23, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:I think it's more likely that they advertised it as being part of the cartoon, because that's the most well-known Transformers fiction and would appeal to 80s kids. I don't know how it can be developed as a prequel considering the blatant inconsistencies. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 14:36, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::War Within is a "G1 prequel" even though it clashes with the cartoon. The difference is that there's actual "G1" fiction that is in continuity with War Within (namely, Dreamwave G1). Besides, War for Cybertron clashes with the Prime cartoon just as much as it clashes with the G1 cartoon, so the only thing we have is Hasbro's official word overruling it. Aaaaaaaand then we have the recent case of Hasbro stating that various characters aren't in the movieverse despite official fiction placing them there. So yeah.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:17, 2 December 2010 (EST)
:::Thinking about it again, I think the main problem I have is that pretty much everything else on this page is blatantly false and directly disproven by factual evidence. In the case of WFC, all we have is Hasbro in their ever-vague continuity mish-mash official-speak declaring it part of the Prime continuity. Since this is the same Hasbro that claims Hunt for the Decepticon toys who appeared in movieverse fiction or who are tied to movieverse characters via their bios aren't part of the movieverse, I'd say we require more substantial evidence for this to actually belong on this page as a cut-and-dry "misconception". The only other comparable case I can think of is "Car Robots is a Beast Wars Neo sequel", where we list all the arguments disproving it and then only mention the official Takara retcon-via-official-timeline in a postscript sentence.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:45, 2 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yea, I don't see how anyone can say "WFC is G1" is blatantly false after watching [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctkjNF9JSPE this commercial]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:36, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::::I don't see how that commercial proves which continuity the game fits in. Yes, it is obviously HOMAGING G1, but that doesn't make it G1. The Prime franchise draws inspiration from everything that came before. If anything, Starscream's comment "Again?" would point to it NOT being G1. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:05, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::You are assuming WFC is part of Prime's continuity and then saying WFC homages G1 because Prime's continuity draws from everything that came before. The question is whether WFC is part of Prime. I think the commercial is promoting WFC as G1. Hasbro says WFC is part of the "modern continuity". I used to think that meant something close to "in continuity with the Prime cartoon", but after the latest Q&A, I'm not exactly sure what "modern continuity" and "[[Hasbro Q&A/November 2010: Answers|modern world continuity]]" are supposed to mean. Hasbro just doesn't think in the same terms regarding categories.
::::::I think if the wiki just looked at WFC itself and how it was promoted, it could easily be put in the G1 continuity family, at least as much as IDW. IDW has different origins for Galvatron, Cyclonus, Goldbug, Headmasters. It homages Pretenders and female Transformers and easter-eggs Action Masters ("[[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|altmodes are for wimps]]") without any actual (confirmed?) Action Masters. The Micromasters aren't even Cybertronian Transformers. Then there's [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=143991#143991 this]:
::::::{{quote|I don't consider IDW's take as "G1". the stories are not a continuation of the ones from the 80's cartoon or the Marvel stuff. they didn't crash on earth 4 millions years ago and get lodged in a volcano, it doesn't even fit into Beast wars. sure it's got the same names and elements from G1, but that can also be said with every other series that came and went since G1. Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Animated, the Movie.. All have elements of G1 in them, all have an Optimus who's a red truck and there's a Yellow car that younger people can relate to. references to Matrixes, Unicrons..etc, but they're not G1.|DonFig}} Don's reasoning for IDW not being G1 is the exact same sort of stuff in this article about WFC not being G1, yet IDW is still classified as G1. I'm not saying the wiki should reclassify IDW. I'm just saying that saying "WFC is part of G1" isn't some obvious myth. Maybe the wiki should just classify War for Cybertron as its own thing with notes saying the developers considered it in the spirit of Generation 1 and Hasbro kinda sorta lumped it in with modern stuff. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:03, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Actually that's not what I was saying, I'll try to clarify. That commercial has a design sense that is clearly influenced by G1. Starscream's "again?" comment shows that it is not actually G1, and is thus an homage. Other elements of the game are homages of other parts of TF history (Demolishor and Slipstream for Armada and Animated for example). This mix of homages to various eras is similar to that seen in the Prime cartoon. Hasbro's comments that WFC is part of Prime's continuity family clarifies all of the above. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:19, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Except that Hasbro ''also'' says that certain characters ''aren't'' part of the movieverse but belong to the "modern-world continuity" even though they appeared in official movieverse fiction. So if Hasbro is giving out contradictory information, how can we consider something that hinges entirely on Hasbro's official world "definite"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:33, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::I think you are reading too much into Starscream's "Again?". I didn't think that when I heard it. It is just Starscream upset because Shockwave is going to request "The Touch" again or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:17, 4 December 2010 (EST)

Pretty much the entire purpose of Exodus is to lay the foundation for this new "modern continuity" by taking War for Cybertron's story and differentiating it from G1. This is a ''conscious effort'', folks. It's not like we're just taking one statement and running with it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:21, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:So if Exodus took the War for Cybertron story and de-G1-ified it, where does that leave War for Cybertron itself? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:38, 4 December 2010 (EST)
::As the backstory to Prime. WFC may not have originally been ''intended'' as that, but Exodus is the link that establishes it as the first bit of Hasbro's ''new'' continuity rather than a continuation of a prior continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:51, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::There's also their identical Cybertron designs: [[Cybertron_(planet)#Prime]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:23, 7 December 2010 (EST)
The current rewrite pleases me. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:11, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:''Some have taken this misconception further and believed War for Cybertron is an actual prequel for the original cartoon.'' ... for example, the game developers themselves! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:20, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::Much better now. The only thing missing as far as I'm concerned is a note on Hasbro's own murky attitude towards "continuity" (PCCs and HftD characters allegedly not being part of the movieverse) and the whole wibbly-wobbly nature of the whole shebang.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:51, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::: That'd be a whole 'nother topic heading, and I'm not sure "The notion of separate and well-defined continuities is far more developed in fandom and on this wiki than within the walls of Hasbro, and thus we are obsessively mapping boundaries that don't really exist," is a topic we'd have much fun visiting. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/346862-seems-hasbro-changed-their-mind.html MY BRAIN HURTS]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:00, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Well of course they're not in continuity. BUT that doesn't mean they don't belong to the same continuity family. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:08, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Hasbro ''UK''. Who has all of ''no'' say in anything along those lines. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:11, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Why would Hasbro UK have any less say about continuity than, say, Takara, whose pronouncements we document?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:28, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::PS: I'm not saying that we should take it too seriously, there's the whole 'private correspondence' thing, I'm just finding the idea that Hasbro UK has no say in the matter odd.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:30, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::The massive ineptitude and halfassery that they carry themselves with in everything they do, say or have any part of. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:32, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Takara creates things. Hasbro US creates things. They are both proactive partners in creating Transformers IP. Hasbro UK is their dumb unemployed cousin who can't keep his thumb out of his own ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:34, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=75073&st=0 Hasbro US agrees.] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:12, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Can we at least agree that this whole thing is vastly confusing, Hasbro's official stance has flaws and there's been contradictory information given out by the dumb unemployed UK brother?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:03, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Also: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/346862-seems-hasbro-changed-their-mind-8.html#post5453604] From Pete Sinclair: {{quote|What I have been told is one continuity, the modern continuity, containing these 3 stories. Hasbro does not deal with Universal streams or continuity families. They only deal with, and are concerned with, the modern continuity...}}--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:24, 8 December 2010 (EST)
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::::::HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:17, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yes, because e-mail correspondences with marketing guys (from Hasbro UK, no less) are reliable arbiters of Transformers information. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::More insanity: [[Cliffjumper (Prime)]] has a link in his toy entry to [[Cliffjumper (G1)]], implying that Takara's United version of Generations Cliffjumper represents an incarnation of G1 Cliffjumper. Is there any evidence supporting this, or are we automatically assuming that all Takara toys represent incarnations of G1 characters unless explicitly stated otherwise? To make matters more complicated, G1 Cliffjumper's page contains no entry for United Cliffjumper.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:25, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/united/un01.html The website links between "Earth Mode" and "Cybertron Mode" toys.] Takara doing their own thing is not a new occurrence. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:34, 8 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::For what it's worth, [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74770 Figure Oh!] explicitly advertises Cliffjumper as appearing in the DS version of WFC.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:29, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Not worth a lot. They're simply pointing out the real-world genesis of the toy. Frankly, IF we see any kind of fiction-use of said models, it'll likely be in some manga set in some continuity that is just as irreconcilable (or blatantly new) as Henkei was... if it's not set in Henkei's timeline anyway. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:15, 8 December 2010 (EST)

== Transformers Prime Toyline existence==

Should the persistent belief that Transformers: Prime will not have a toyline be added here, or is it only TFW that gets like five threads devoted to that topic on a daily basis? -[[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 11:05, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:Until there is an announced toyline, instead of the "We're not making toys" one we got, it's not a misconception or an urban legend. It's fact based on the available information [[User:Eire]] 16:18 30 Nov 2010.
:: THEY NEVER SAID THEY WEREN'T MAKING TOYS. NEVER EVER. Jesus Christ, in the exact same panel in which people THOUGHT Hasbro said they weren't making toys, Eric Siebenaler even said that he couldn't wait for people to see Bulkhead Prime's action figure! ALL THEY SAID WAS THAT THEY WERE '''NOT TALKING ABOUT TOYS RIGHT THIS MOMENT''', not that there would NEVER BE TOYS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::That's the thing, some people still believe that Hasbro isn't going to make any toys for the Prime franchise. I'd support the addition of a section clarifying this for those people. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:14, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::Seems like the sort of thing that's going to have a relatively short lifespan, as we're probably going to see the Prime toys at Toyfair.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:31, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::::At that point, the "Hasbro said they weren't making any Prime toys and they're liars!" begins. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:22, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::::What are you getting so worked up about? If they said there are no toys in the works at the moment, it one doesn't contradict my statement of no sign of toys to come, because there isn't because they haven't revealed any, and two if it does contradict me, so what? It's exactly...nothing. Certainly nothing to get remotely excited about. Or is this mainstream forum backlash. I should point out, I avoid the big forums, so if this has been kicked up fifty billion times over there, I wouldn't know about it. [[User:Eire]] 18:31 30 Nov 2010.
:::::::I'm pretty sure someone from Hasbro (Aaron Archer?) said that there would be Prime figures, but they were holding off until after the current blitz of 2010/Generations/PCC and (possibly) the upcoming DOTM line. Can anyone back me up on this with a reference? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:44, 30 November 2010 (EST)
:::::::They never said "there are no toys in the works at the moment," they said they weren't talking about it.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 14:31, 30 November 2010 (EST)
::::::::This. This this this this this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:59, 30 November 2010 (EST)
Now that you say it, I do think you're right, Walky. I'm probably always going to want to stab ''someone'' in the eyeball with a nail file over this. Which, I guess, is our criteria for this article, come to think of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:23, 1 December 2010 (EST)

==Nimoy Unicron lines?==
I know it's been debunked over the years, but we probably ought to put the "Leonard Nimoy dubbed some of Orson Welles' lines because they were unusable" rumor to bed on this page somewhere. -hx at work

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Maybe it's redundant, but shouldn't this be "Spanish-language voice actors"? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:46, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
:Only if we change every language category. As it is the category name is shorter and the distinction is spelled out on the category page. I don't really see the need, but you may want to bring it up for wider discussion (at the community portal?). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:04, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::[[Category talk:English voice actors|Déjà vu]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:34, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
:::CLEARLY I THINK IT'S AN AWESOME IDEA. -hx at work.

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==Didn't we have a Transformers Appearances/References in Other Media page?==
I could have sworn we did, mentioning stuff like Family guy etc. If we don't have such a page, would it be allowed to be created? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:53, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:Unless it's officially sanctioned by Hasbro, no, we do not mention Transformer appearances in other media. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:54, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:: If it ever existed, it would have been destroyed with fire in about 30 seconds. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::: Of course, if we did have such a page, we could use it as a lighting rod, keep anons from adding something to Soundwave's page every time Seth Green says the word "transformers." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:28, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Of course, NO. Discussion over. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:45, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Discussion not quite over. If the unofficial nature of the topic is the reason why it is not allowed, then there are several articles that already exist that are pushing boundaries on the wiki. I would have thought that the biggest problem would be it's size.[[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 09:26, 20 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah, that'd be the other big reason. There's so many such references it would be impossible to keep track of them all. It would also involve making sure what's added there is actually a TF reference. And given all the Toms, Dicks and Harrys that'll come out of the woodwork to add such stuff, that's going to be more trouble than not having a page. Best not to get a larger headache for the sake of reducing a smaller one. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:44, 20 December 2010 (EST)

=="Knockoff warning" for toy sections?==
Just something that occurred to me... as I skimmed this page http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 and looked at alllllll the "could be mistaken for real and paid stupid money for" knockoffs... is there any objection to some form of link to this in the relevant toy sections? Sadly, the page lacks a "jump to" feature of any kind, but alerting people to the potential danger of dropping several hundred on what they think is a genuine Defensor box set... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:50, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:I think it skirts the line with our "we don't really discuss knockoffs" policy, but on the other hand, yeah, it's a useful bit of information, almost to the point where we could stand to have a special page about ''these specific knockoffs''. I am not opposed to adding a link to that site, no, as long as it's got a massive and specific caveat attached to it (maybe even with a special template box thing ("A Prime Problem"-themed perhaps?)). Hell, maybe the highendtfs people would be willing to throw up navigation in exchange for the inevitable deluge of hits - anyone got contact info for the owner? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:11, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::It's worth noting that there are some very well-done Henkei seekers knockoffs now, too. The really expensive ones even, like Thundercracker. Their sections could use warnings as well. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:56, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::Are they in knockoff PACKAGING that is meant to look like the real thing? That's the really tricky part. G1 MIB shit is much, much more expensive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:27, 19 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, they are: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/buyer-beware-update-on-ko-henkei-seekers/20380/ -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:03, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::I am not sure I want to attach more template boxes to pages as is. Especially over something like knockoffs. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:55, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::I'd ''thought'' about a template, but... ehn. I think a simple link under the TFU.info (or whatever), perhaps with a bolded "'''Knockoff alert'''" text. Like...

::::*''[http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 '''Knockoff alert''': More information on packaged imitations of this toy at HighendTFs.com]''

:::Thoughts? This would ONLY cover stuff that is in packaging meant to deceive you by looking as real as they can get it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:05, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::::I could agree with that. This is a step beyond your standard knock off crap, some notice might be appropriate.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::::I think it is a good idea to have it, since it is useful. This is different from putting info of some KO or unlicensed products on the page. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:49, 19 December 2010 (EST)

== Extension:Oversight ==

Quite a few times I've seen admins delete and undelete pages to clean out bad revisions. Why they do this I have no idea, since we have [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight the Oversight extension] installed.

Perhaps we should look into granting some people "oversighter" access? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:09, 25 December 2010 (EST)
:I've just noticed that deleting and then restoring pages in the manner mentioned above has the side effect of resetting a page's page views stats, so that's another point in favour of the Oversight extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:40, 11 January 2011 (EST)

== Wikipedia, revisited ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#The_.22Campaign_of_Deletion.22_against_the_Transformers_Wiki_Project_by_NotARealWord_and_TFWiki.net]

Just in case anyone's interested. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 10:54, 5 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log back in)
:NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:21, 5 January 2011 (EST)

== Captcha to prevent spambots? ==

Is there any way we could implement captcha to account creation to prevent the spambot problem we're having now? I've seen other wikis use that measure. Maybe also disable new page creation by anons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:56, 6 January 2011 (EST)
:We already have CAPTCHA implemented on the account creation service. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 13:09, 6 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log in)
::Never mind, then! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)

== Real world events by day Category ==

These of course comprise every date of the year. However, I notice recently people have been adding fictional events to these dates. That basically invalidates the Category, since it's no longer comprised of only real-world events. The fictional events should be moved out into another section, or the category name should be changed to "Events by day". Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:01, 9 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree with changing to "Events by day". I would also support having separate fictional and real world sections on the pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:38, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Project Wonderful ads ==

Um, guys, I found there [http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/53018-1293943633.gif Non-official products] in the ads of CapturedPrey. I know the small ads are showing up randomly (and may not be controllable since we can't regulate them), but I think it is still need to be reported here. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:04, 16 January 2011 (EST)
: I don't mind them in the non-permanent ads. TFSource used them all the time in their ads before we made them permanent sponsors. It was only when we made them a permanent sponsor did we ask to make them free of third-party product. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:57, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Games <strike>fiction</strike> ==

Okay, now that [[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] has flooded the character pages with stubs for 30 years worth of crappy Transformers games, can we reconsider how the Games sections are treated? I really don't think in-universe fiction descriptions are the way to handle it. [[War for Cybertron]] may've had a plot, but the majority of TF games are more in the vein of "hit things until they stop coming". A fiction section makes even less sense for games where the character selection is variable. ''"[[Hardhead (G1)#Transformers:_The_Headmasters|Hardhead]] may (or may not) have been present at this battle. Or this one. Or this..."'' Ditto for generic drone soldiers. Isn't there a way to address the games without trying to craft a sensical fiction for them? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:46, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree. The games should appear as merchandise on all relevant characters pages, but there is no need for a fiction write up for most games on those same pages. A generic write up on the game page should suffice. Something like "An Autobot warrior participated in a battle...", with a character box listing all potential "Autobot warriors" (aka playable characters). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Moving games to merchandise sounds awful. It would result in amazing amounts of lost information. I have no idea what doing that would solve. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:44, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::I think it depends on the game - for example in the ROTF console game, while you CAN play as multiple characters, the game provides a suggested one for you. IMO, that's who "actually" did the stuff depicted in the game (and the opposing side's campaign generally suggests it as well). When you can just pick from a half-dozen dudes and it doesn't matter, then maybe a brief summary of the game's plot and a note. "Jerkwagon was one of many Autobots involved in blah blah plot synopsis bluh. NOTE: Such-and-such game allowed players to choose multiple protagonists, including Jerkwagon." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:19, 25 January 2011 (EST)
I agree that Games should be their own section -- there's certainly enough of them, and they should be treated differently than keychains and what-not. But I think an out-of-universe description of the games would be better in most cases. Instead of having to write vague text like ''"As Ultra Magnus searched for the truth behind Optimus Prime's death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering."'', which is about all the plot I could wrangle out of [[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Convoy no Nazo]] and tells you virtually nothing, we could write something more informative, like ''"Trypticon is the boss of Stage 10."'', and describe what actually happens in the game instead of trying to make it sound like believable fiction. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:29, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::My personal view on the matter is, from a character's page, I should be able to find EVERY place that character has appeared. And when we do list guys having an appearance when they're most likely an animation error in the far-background of an episode, I don't think there's any excuse to NOT list an appearance of a character wherever he might appear, including board and video games. Is that a lot of work? Yeah. But beneath all the jokes that make this place so great, this is still an encyclopedia, and purposely leaving out information out of an encyclopedia is wrong. Though I think Hooper X has the right idea... I doesn't have to be the most super-extensive write up. Heck, I was even going to suggest just having a link saying "See Return of Convoy article" or something like that. Also: I apologize if I had started getting very sloppy last night, but looking back, it was like 5 in the morning by the time I finished up. Yikes. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:10, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::I totally agree that the games should be dealt with on the character pages. I'm just looking for an option other than a completely in-fiction description. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 15:14, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::: The first idea that comes to mind is having a subsection called "Gameplay" or something like that for each game write-up, something that would be similar to a note? Though really, my main solution for stuff like that has been, up to this point, to just stick a couple of notes in the game write-up, like on [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s page. I'll keep on trying to think up other solutions though... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:26, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::::Storylinks already serve as that, so what's the point of another link? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:47, 25 January 2011 (EST)

== Fiction order guide? ==

I've been over the Style guides a few times trying to find if a page like this already exists, but it doesn't look like it. I'll be the first to admit that when adding in new fiction/game subsections to a character's article, I sometimes confuse and probably put them out of order. So I've been wondering if a page that lists every fictional work and game in the proper order of each other would be a good idea? On one hand, it seems like an ABSURD amount of work for a style guide, one that would have to be CONSTANTLY updated as new things come out. On the other hand, it would be very handy to have a list to reference for character pages. Especially because it can get VERY frustrating trying to hunt down which book/cartoon/whatever came first in the same year. For those who don't understand what I'm talking about, here's an example I quickly put together, using the [[Cheetor (BW)]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] pages as reference.

When listing a character's media appearances, use this sorting order:
*Fiction
**Generation 1 Marvel Comics continuity
**Generation 1 S.T.A.R.S. pack-in flyers
**Generation 1 cartoon continuity
**Generation 1 Kid Stuff Talking Story Books
**Generation 1 Big Looker Story Books
**Generation 1 Ladybird Books continuity
**''Transformers in 3-D''
**''Transformers PD Type'' comic
**''Comic Bom Bom G-2'' comic
**Beast Wars First wave toy bios
**Beast Wars Cartoon continuity
***Dawn of Future's Past
***''Beast Wars'' cartoon
***Fast Action Battlers toyline
***3H ''Tales from the Beast Wars'' comics
***IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics
***''Transformers Legends'' anthology
***''Beast Machines'' cartoon
***''Beast Machines'' toy bio
***''Universe'' comic
***''Beast Wars Metals'' comic
***Beast Wars ''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in comic
**Generation 1 Dreamwave comics continuity
**''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''
**''Transformers/G.I. Joe''
**Generation 1 IDW comics continuity
**''Hearts of Steel''
**''Music Label''
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' (pack-in comic)
**''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga
**Alternity
**''Robot Heroes'' comic
**''Universe'' cartoon
**Wings of Honor

Is this a good idea? Would anyone actually like to see this kind of thing, or would I just be putting a whole bunch of work into something we don't need? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:28, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:We do need standardization of section names. The section order, however, depends on order in which the character appeared in those continuities in the real world. Then the subsections are ordered by the fictional chronology. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:35, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::No wonder I get confused by this fiction order thing. @_@ I guess I might just be one of those people that will never get the hang of some of these things. And yeah, the section names was definitely something else I wanted to tackle, since I've seen at times no less than four different ways to refer to a certain media. I sometimes have to check the storylinks at the end to be sure it's all part of the same story! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:45, 25 January 2011 (EST)
::Note that, within a continuity, flashbacks and time travel can mean that experiential fictional chronology for one character requires a different order of headings than for another. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:16, 25 January 2011 (EST)
:::In regards to standardization, I have an idea. What if we create a list of headers (kept on this page perhaps) used on Optimus Prime (G1)'s page (probably has the greatest number of different headers), use that as our initial standards list, then update it as we find other headers or decide to change the existing standards? Once we think we've covered the majority of possibilities, we could move it to a help page and make it official policy. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:49, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I put together [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a sandbox along these lines]] a couple of years ago. It hasn't been updated in quite a while, and I'm not sure it was ever actually complete, and it was the subject of [[User_talk:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|a bit of debate]]... but there it is, for what it's worth. (Also, I support standardization of headers, but I've run into [[Talk:Ricochet_(Headmasters)#Header|some]] [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive22#Section_naming_conventions|opposition]] over the nitty-gritty before, so best of luck.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 06:11, 8 February 2011 (EST)

== Foreign name reorganization ==

Is there any chance we could consider moving the foreign names somewhere else in the article other than at the top? We've already established a new standard for episodes, but characters could stand to have their names moved to their own dedicated section, likely under "Notes". There, we could add things like kana and Cyrillic forms of names not different from the English version. Opinions? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:56, 4 February 2011 (EST)
:I'm in favor of it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:33, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::All things considered, since this is (mostly) an english-centric wiki when it comes to stuff, the foreign names do come off as being interesting trivia more than anything else. I'm in favour of this too. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:37, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I'm fine with where they are now, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:39, 4 February 2011 (EST)

:I can see the logic in them being moved down to notes. You've got an in-universe profile, then a bunch of out-of-universe names, then the in-universe fiction section. The only argument I have against it is that I'm used to seeing the foreign names at the top. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:05, 4 February 2011 (EST)

::If it can be moved downward (to the first entry of the notes section or a new section after the notes section) instead of being on the top, MOVE it. Originally, I'm fine withe where they are {{m-}} but that would be a character with fewer foreign names. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:55, 4 February 2011 (EST)
Any further opinions on this? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:36, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:What about cases where some of the extra names at the top are English, e.g. Omni Productions names, or preliminary or nicknames? Would they remain at the top or become notes too? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:29, 21 February 2011 (EST)
::The Malay dub still technically counts as foreign in my mind. Nicknames should be integrated in the introduction (or notes section), and preliminary names should have been in notes in the first place, since they aren't the characters' "real names" in any sense. Further elaboration of the preliminary names better suits the notes section, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:43, 21 February 2011 (EST)
Japanese names are often for a character in a slightly different continuity. Like "Fire Convoy" is a Car Robots character and "Optimus Prime" is an RID character, but they share the same page. Or "Flame Convoy" is a Galaxy Force character but "Scourge" is a Cybertron character. In that case they should have the Japanese name up top. The names that are just different language versions of the English character can go on bottom. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:18, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:... no. ''Cybertron'' and ''Galaxy Force'' are NOT different stories (Takara officially put GF back in the same timeline as the prior two series), and the ''RID/CR'' split is a unique case. In neither case should the names go up top. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:44, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::They are slightly different continuities. Galaxy Force doesn't have the [[Omega Frequency]] for example. And the Grand Black Hole is different. And the [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] is different. [[Blaster (G1)|Broadcast]] never became Twincast in English. I think Japanese names are a special case and deserve to be on top since Japanese toyline & fiction continuity is always slightly separate. But I can hit the "end" key on the keyboard easy enough. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::Every single foreign language version of something is technically a slightly different continuity, strictly due to the nature of translation. This is not a arena in which Galaxy Force is unique. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:01, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== Commercial Appearances section ==

Alright, so I plan later on to start going through characters' pages and add in a "Commercial Appearances" section where it applies (sorry, I can't this weekend... homework to do!). Several characters already have this section and a lot of these commercials have nice short animations or other interesting characterizations and tidbits that I think they bear to be included in the characters' pages. Although, much like the Games sections, I'll only be able to marginally help by adding in the section itself to let people know that there's work to be done on a character's page... MY computer is so incredibly shitty that I can't even play videos off youtube. D:

But anyways, the reason I'm bringing this up here is because before I get started, I'd like to discuss what kind of format we want for this section, so it can be done right the first time around. Obviously, where it applies, stuff like indicating who the voice actor for the character makes sense, but should the write-up be in-universe or not? Since commercials fluctuate between using a short animation telling a mini-story and just being a straight-up commercial saying "buy this toy!" should a combination of both in-universe and out-of-universe description be used? And should we count the parts where the kids brandish their action figures and talk for the character as dialog spoken by the character? That's all the questions on the subject I can really think of for now... --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:12, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:I would write up the animation segments in-universe so long as they're unique to the commercial (i.e. not just recycled footage from one of the cartoons). Anything else that's notable enough could qualify for an out of universe note. But I wouldn't bother with recycled animation or the kids talking for the figures. That doesn't qualify as fiction to me.
:In regards to your inability to view the commercials, would it help if you could download them in some fashion and then watch them offline? Maybe burn the videos to a DVD disc? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:43, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, any clips taken from pre-existing mediums would be redundant from those scenes being already covered in other sections on that character's page. Personally though, I'm still on the fence about the kids talking for the figures... I find it comparable to botcon script readings in a way... People just talking out loud for a character without any accompanying animation... I'm prone to be swayed either way. As for me viewing the commercials themselves, my spring break is a week from now. I might have access to a better computer then, but otherwise I'll just be putting in information already available on the wiki to the appropriate pages throughout the week, I guess. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 17:53, 6 February 2011 (EST)

==How to resolve monster debates?==
[[User:-Blackout-]]'s recent meltdown over being prevented from editing [[Goldbug (IDW)]] has made me think again about how policy/content discussions tend to go on this wiki. It's a big part of why I haven't been around since last summer: I found myself perpetuating these miles-long debates that few cared to read, everyone was irritated by, and most importantly ''were impossible to resolve.''

That Goldbug article is a sterling example. Right now, people are talking about it as if the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1|giant]] [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2|debate]] had resolved in favor of the current setup, so changing the article at this point is taboo because it "was dealt with already." But that's not how it went at all. Blackout's dickishly unilateral edit-war was definitely the Wrong Way to reopen this, but it's also wrong to pretend that we had achieved consensus or closure on the issue.

At [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive2#Breaking down the problem|the end of the debate]], I had restated the case for [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Goldbug (G1)|my "Goldbug (G1)" sandbox]], which is definitely different from the current setup, and 6 other people declared support for it while 2 objected at length. But the objectors were also against the current setup: Jeysie wanted the toy gone, and Derik wanted... something inscrutable and Deriky. Combining those numbers with the [[Talk:Goldbug (IDW)/Archive1#Vote Tally|premature vote]] that had been taken earlier (and adjusting for the voters who changed their minds by the end), I count:

Sandbox: 8 
Sandbox with modifications: 3 
Current page: 7 
Current page without the toy: 2

That's not consensus. That's deadlock. In fact, there were fewer votes to keep the page as-is than there were to change it in some fashion. The current setup didn't win out in terms of votes, logic, precedent, or any other measure: It won out because it was what happened to be there when the debate died of exhaustion.

So we're stuck with an awkward page that most people want to be different, encased in concrete forevermore. I don't see any way out of this situation, and I've watched the same principle play out with other debates too many times. At the very least, I wonder if it would be helpful to have a Template:Deadlock that we could slap on inconclusive debates (with a picture of [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]], natch) so people know the true state of things.

Taking that idea further, maybe it could come with a period of enforced moratorium – say, two weeks – followed by a revote and/or a formalized "final statements" opportunity? The most extreme option I can think of is to create a "council of elders" that has the community-bestowed power to resolve intractable debates and declare relevant policy principles. Basically, a Supreme Court. I do worry that creating an authoritative heirarchy might produce even more problems, but I figured I'd throw it out there.

Thoughts? Other ideas?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:20, 9 February 2011 (EST)
: This whole argument goes to the heart of what we mean when we say two characters are "the same". The Bumblebee toy was produced and fiction was made to promote that toy, thus all of those fictions (which differ from each other) are about "the same" character. The Goldbug toy was produced with a tech spec that stated that it was "the same" character as Bumblebee. Fiction was produced to promote that toy, thus all those varying depictions of Goldbug are "the same" character as Bumblebee. The same argument applies to the differing backstories of Optimus Prime; Orion Pax and Optronix are "the same" character because they both are earlier forms of the character that was used to promote the sale of the Optimus Prime toy. The problem comes in with later stories that are not produced to promote those original toys. How do we decide what is the same? When is a character "the same character under different circumstances/in a different universe" and when is it simply an homage character? I really can't see how others see the IDW Goldbug as "the same" character as the original toy and not (as I see him) as a simple homage character. Under their viewpoint the toy belongs, under mine it doesn't. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:15, 10 February 2011 (EST)

: I NOMINATE MYSELF AS FINAL ARBITER AND SUPREME OVERLORD. all decisions will be made based on what amuses me the most. (seriously, we probably ought to have some kind of "no consensus" tag for articles like that.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:58, 10 February 2011 (EST)

Mmm...probably best not to restart the Goldbug debate itself here, Khajidha -- that would quickly distract from what Jackpot's actually asking here, which is how debates should be resolved ''in general''.

Some of the basic rules we already follow should remain. No "edit-warring"...leave it up to the Talk Pages to hash out the problem. I don't think a mere two weeks is enough to give people time to change their minds, though, especially in this crowd. One thing I notice is that despite dozens of regular contributors and hundreds overall, most Talk Page or Community Portal votes I've seen have less than 20 votes at the end. Many of these debates fly right under the radar. I'm relatively active here, but the Goldbug (IDW) chaos completely passed me by.

What about, when a Talk Page debate has clearly reached an impasse between <strike>obstinant</strike> strong-willed parties, a Vote is taken on the ''Main Page''? Some sort of easy-to-see box temporarily added to the Main Page, "above the fold" so that its visible to all visitors when they enter? It would be more noticeable than if the vote is hidden away on a single Talk Page people may or may not see. Something like ''"A [[Deadlock]] has arisen! Choose from the following choices: Should [[Goldbug (IDW)]] have the G1 toy on his page? Yes or No? (See the Goldbug (IDW) Talk Page for the full debate.)"''

I realize many debates won't be as simple as Yes or No, but if the debating parties agree in advance how to phrase the Voting Box, it could be a useful tool. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 13:07, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:Yeah, wasn't really trying to restart that debate. Was bringing up questions about general character debates, as they seem to occur quite often. But other debates also bog down, so I recognize that my questions don't apply to those debates.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:35, 10 February 2011 (EST)

:I like the idea of keeping a debate in the regulars' faces until a decision has been reached by enough people (at least 20? 25?). Many debates I keep away from because I think they'll disappear anyway and my vote doesn't really matter <s>and I also can't deal all that well with the aggressive nature of most debates, making it actively a lose-only situation if I'd enter</s>. I'm not sure if others feel that way, but I imagine this would be a boost for all to participate. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::I absolutely disagree with the premise that people who don't care enough to read the argument should have it shoved in their face until they vote. AT MOST, we should mention it somewhere prominent, like the community portal. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:53, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::I agree that essentially putting a ballot on the front page is asking for trouble. You might get the dozens of votes you're looking for, but they'll all be uninformed gut reactions. One of the reasons these debates happen is that issues can be much more complicated and subtle than they seem at first glance. Plus one would hope that the reasoning behind the winning option would help develop our policies, but if the decisions are made by the majority of an explicitly uninformed mob, it's hard to glean any substantial precedent out of that.
:::But I think an approach like that ''could'' be combined with my "final statements" suggestion. Thinking out loud here: After a cooling-off period has been declared and a set amount of time has passed, anyone who wants to present a case can write up a defense of his or her preferred option. Those are all submitted to a neutral volunteer, who then posts them simultaneously on the relevant Talk page, and those become the voting choices. No replies are allowed, only votes. We put a notice up at least on the Community Portal, possibly on the Main Page, for another set time period, then close voting and go with the majority.
:::How does that sound? Like I said, thinking out loud, so suggestions are more than welcome.
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:18, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::::Sounds pretty good to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)

==How featured articles are chosen==
On a side note, would a box like that also be useful to start a voting system for featured pages? Because I'm fine with Drift and Wreck-Gar and all others before, but I am absolutely clueless as to who chose them to become featured for what reasons. I'd like to see a better system for that. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:23, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: If there was a recently-completed article that's of respectable length, I choose it. The pool for featured articles is pretty damn small. Not many articles are finished, and the ones that are finished have usually already been Featured Articles already. Finished articles don't happen very frequently, so sometimes we find one that's close to completion near the end of a month and then push to finish it before the month is over. Sometimes we think a subject or a character is timely (like around BotCon, or before an episode or movie premiere) and push for that. If you want a heads up, Chris McFeely's [[Matrix of Leadership]] article is so totally March's. (I think Chris has the record for number of articles he's completed which have become featured.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:31, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: Long story short, if you want an article to be featured, finish it. That means photos for every toy and known merchandise, and storylinks (with summaries) to every piece of fiction they've appeared in. Behind the scenes information helps. The longer and more involved the article, the more appealing it is. Meaning, finishing an article for a Mini-Con who showed up in the background somewhere, or finishing an article for someone who doesn't have any illutrated appearances... these are probably not going to be featured. But people like Perceptor (G1) or Side Burn (RID) or High Wire (Armada) have enough about them to say to make an interesting featured article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:36, 10 February 2011 (EST)
: "Long story short," my ass. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:: Have we done any episodes as Featured yet? I know the over-arching "Target 2006" article was chosen once. You'd think we could get, say [[Code of Hero]] up to that standard pretty quickly. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:42, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::I really think we need to get [[BotCon]] up to that standard. We're pretty close! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:22, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:::[[B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.]] is a Featured article about an episode. [[User:Excise|Excise]] 00:00, 16 February 2011 (EST)

== Letterers ==
On images of comic pages, do we credit the ''letterers'' by placing the image in an "Image by Letterer Name" category? We've got a few contradictory examples around. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:32, 12 February 2011 (EST)
:Okay, three options: For images currently in categories like "Images by Mike Scott" (where Mike Scott is a letterer), we can:
:# Create the category and treat letterers just like artists, inkers, and colorists.
:# Instead place them in a "Images ''lettered'' by Mike Scott" category.
:# Remove the category, and not attempt to categorize images by letterer.
:I'm probably going to go with option 3 barring dissent. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:25, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I added galleries to a few of the pages for letterers (eg [[Bill Oakley]], [[Peri Godbold]]) on the basis that lettering can make or [[:Image:Cryotekmrrghmraghmrugghagh.jpg|break]] a comic. As well as adding the text, the letterer has to pick where the balloons will go and place, them, so they do have a large degree of control over how the comic turns out. That said, I don't know that we need to categorise images by letterer. The original intention was [[:Category talk:Images by artist|not to]], but it looks like we ended up doing it anyway, and at least one template is set up to put images into category by letterer. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:44, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I'd vote for option 3 as well.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:02, 16 February 2011 (EST)
::I'm leaning towards option 3 myself. My reasoning is that even though letterers can have a large effect on a comic, I don't see too many people wanting to find every image lettered by a given letterer. The galleries, on the other hand, are useful for demonstrating the quality of an individual's work. So those should be used. While the obsessive in me thinks we should categorize images by every applicable characteristic, it's not realistic. I don't think it benefits us enough to go through all that work for categories that only a few people might find useful. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 01:09, 17 February 2011 (EST)
'Kay, I'm going to go with option 3. This may involve editing a template or two. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:35, 17 February 2011 (EST)

== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race For The Mini-con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[War for Cybertron games|games]], [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==
[[Image:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|300px|TOO MANY QUOTES]]
Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'd set a "soft" limit higher for 30-minute episodes {{m-}} around 10 quotes {{m-}} and I'd allow more than that if the episode was particularly well-written or quotable. I don't think there's any need for a low, hard limit, as I don't think lots of quotes hurt the wiki until we get into "quoting the whole darn episode" territory. Heck, in fact, I might favor a policy of ''judging each quote for itself.'' I.e., if a quote is good/noteworthy/illustrative/funny/wadeva, it can be kept, even if there are two dozen other quotes already. Each must stand on its merits, but there would be no hard cap. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, some episodes happen to have a lot of funny/significant/memorable lines, others don't. If we set a hard cap, we might be damning ourselves to a lot of pointless fights over which quotes deserve to be included under the arbitrary limit. I'm more in favor of making a list of criteria that we can point to when we weed lame quotes out.
:::::::::Oh, and I support making a template. ''Prime'' Soundwave is the best character I can think of to use, but Movie Bumblebee or G1 Wreck-Gar would also be appropriate. Or a shot of G1 Soundwave with a tape inside of him? Can't think of a good header, though...
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:49, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::I mainly suggested it as a starting point because if it comes down to putting each quote in place based on "which one we like more" the talk pages are going to be absolutely horrible. HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT MY FAVORITE QUOTE IT IS SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT. The "5 per 30 minutes" is just a suggestion - obviously an episode that's really funny or poignant can get more. Comics issues we could maybe use pagecount as a starting point. But basically, combine the two ideas. A list of criteria is a good idea, but we also need to avoid having like, thirty quotes for a given story, twelve of which are totally shitty. If we get over five-six quotes, it's time to think about trimming, just because seriously, 90% of TF fiction isn't that goddamned quotable - or there are better places for the quotes. "I don't rock and roll - I burn!" belongs on Inferno's page, not on the episode it appeared in. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:51, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Fair enough. Just so long as the number is sufficiently "soft" that we don't forget that our goal is high quality, not an arbitrarily low quantity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Exactly. Like I said, I think we can also judiciously use key ''character'' quotes on the ''characters''' pages. Some quotes are very episode/story specific, while others provide insight into a character's personality or mindset. I think that's a good way to winnow the chaff, you know? -hx at work not logged in gotta run

Wreck-Gar (G1)

2011-02-28T16:46:27Z

168.30.245.144: -hx at work, this is seriously what it looks like.

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{{disambigr|Wreck-Gar|the garbage truck from ''Transformers Animated''|Wreck-Gar (Animated)}}
{{featured}}

:''Wreck-Gar is an [[Autobot]]-allied [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:GenesisArtofTransformers-WreckGar.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Happy motoring. Cock-a-doodle-doo!]]

'''Wreck-Gar''' is a product of his environment. Unfortunately, this environment is the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junkion]], a distant world of trash which is bombarded by old [[Earth]] television broadcasts. Not only is Wreck-Gar's mismatched body collected from the detritus around him, but his mind is an equally mismatched hodgepodge of Earthling pop culture. These humans' cheesy slogans and sales pitches from decades past form the patchwork of Wreck-Gar's scatterbrained personality.

It is with this demeanor that Wreck-Gar leads the Junkions, a tribe (or possibly race) of junk-robot [[Transformer]]s who inhabit his world. Despite the pop culture of his race being derived from strangers light years away, Wreck-Gar can be strongly xenophobic towards intruders. Thankfully, this attitude is easily broken, and once he befriends you, he will be a selfless ally. He oversees his people's daily activities of "sorting" through their planet's collection of scrap, though what basis they use to sort the material has yet to be identified. He seems to have some sort of relationship with a Junkion lady named [[Nancy]].

In battle, Wreck-Gar is easy to knock down, but near-impossible to ''keep'' down, thanks to the unique physiology of the Junkions. He tends to lose pieces easily when he takes damage, but he can repair that damage with lightning speed, and it's possible that even if he's reduced to a pile of parts it's only a short time before he's back on his feet again swinging his axe. This rapid-healing ability reaches almost instantaneous speed on his home planet of Junk, or anywhere he can get his hands on scrap metal. Wreck-Gar wields, in addition to his energy axe, a [[decelerator laser]] that can bring the cerebral activity of its victim to a lumbering halt.

Steadfast and dependable, powerful and unexpectedly wise, Wreck-Gar reveals himself to be much more than the sum of his parts.

{{quote|Yes, friends, act now! Destroy [[Unicron]]! Kill the Grand Poobah! Eliminate even the toughest stains!|Wreck-Gar|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actors:'' [[Eric Idle]] (''The Movie'', English), [[Tony Pope]] (season 3, English); [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese), [[Enrique Garduza]] (Latin American)
[[Image:TFTM-WreckGarsits.jpg|left|250px|thumb|''You're'' excited?! Look at these nipples!]]
When a ship crash-landed on the planet of Junk, Wreck-Gar at first viewed the invaders as thieves and enemies. But he and his Junkions chose not to engage them immediately, and kept out of sight while other invaders attacked and destroyed the initial group's [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|leader]]. This moment of weakness was when Wreck-Gar chose to attack. After getting the invaders on the run, Wreck-Gar fought [[Springer (G1)|one of them]] for a while, cornering him, before [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|one of the smaller, squishier invaders]] took him out with an I-beam to the back of the head.

Wreck-Gar came to just as more invaders arrived: [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. After some explanations and introductions, Wreck-Gar and his Junkions were pacified with the [[universal greeting]]. After Wreck-Gar ordered the Junkions rebuilt Ultra Magnus, their fallen leader, he joined forces with these "Autobots" in their quest to destroy the planet-eater, [[Unicron]], once and for all. With the press of a few buttons, Wreck-Gar unleashed [[Minnow|a ship]] from underneath the wreckage of his planet of junk, suitable for escorting his new comrades to the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where Unicron was headed next.

[[Image:TFTM-WreckGarbang.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Get it on, bang a gong.]]

The Junkions, like pretty much everyone else, didn't fare well against Unicron. Their ship managed to last longer than most in the battle, proving to be highly resistant to Unicron's fire-breath (due in part certainly to the Junkions' rapid-repair skills), but was ultimately crushed by Unicron's hand.

Wreck-Gar survived, as did their travel mate [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], appearing with the rest of Rodimus Prime's Autobot team on Cybertron after Unicron's destruction. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

On the planet [[Goo]], Rodimus and Ultra Magnus communicated with Wreck-Gar using a two-way TV. Surprised at the sight of his kemosabes being healthy on a dangerous planet like Goo, he was nonetheless capable of striking up a deal with Rodimus. During a battle with Galvatron and the Quintessons, Wreck-Gar was able to control the planet so that it would suck the Autobots into safety while rejecting their enemies. After that, he calmed [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] by reviving a previously-disassembled Springer faster than snap, crackle, pop. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:KillingJar-WreckGar_Negative.jpg|thumb|left|220px|Wreck-Gar gave himself a new paint job in anticipation of G2. Alas, it was not meant to be.]]

Tricked into boarding a Quintesson scientist's ship (disguised as a junky television shuttle), Wreck-Gar was placed into a completely sterile room. The Quintesson speculated that being removed from the messiest place in the universe and put in a clean room would send Wreck-Gar into a fetal position of shock and despair; instead, Wreck-Gar tore the room apart until it resembled the surface of Junk, then sat down on a large chunk of metal, happily proclaiming "Home sweet home!" He then met his fellow study subjects: [[Ultra Magnus (G1)| Ultra Magnus]], [[Cyclonus (G1)| Cyclonus]], and [[Marissa Faireborn]]. When the ship was caught in an electron storm, Wreck-Gar fired his detachable hand at the cell controls, disabling the bars, then battled the Quintessons' bodyguard, losing his weapon-arm in the process (which he easily fixed). However, the ship was caught in the grip of a black hole, and Wreck-Gar was part of an escape pod scuffle that left everyone stranded on the ship as it was pulled into a [[negative universe]]. He then used some of his components, along with ones from the other Transformers, to fix the ship and allow them to escape the black hole.

He is one of the few beings in the galaxy who likes [[Lippo the Clown|clowns]]. {{storylink|The Killing Jar}}

[[Image:Chaos-WreckGar_Junk.jpg|thumb|right|210px|"What do you see here, my friends?" "A hunk of garbage." "A ''glorious'' hunk of garbage!"]]

Wreck-Gar interrupted one of Kup's stories to inform him of a calamity on Goo, to Grimlock's confusion and frustration. When they arrived, Wreck-Gar pointed the Autobots to a destroyed [[Earth Defense Command]] station and said that a lot of things have landed on the planet lately. Though [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] and [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] swooped down to attack, Wreck-Gar and the others made their getaway inside Sky Lynx. Arriving on [[Dread]], Wreck-Gar helped fight off the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] that were menacing Kup, and then shot at Galvatron's forces with the other Autobots. While they did this, Kup was able to defeat [[Chaos (alien)|the monster]] inhabiting Dread, causing a volcanic eruption in the process. Wreck-Gar and his comrades boarded Sky Lynx and flew off... but he was not pleased at the prospect of Kup telling another one of his stories on the way back. {{storylink|Chaos (episode)|Chaos}}

Joining [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Rewind]], [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]], and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] on a mission to examine strange chronal energy readings in an asteroid belt, Wreck-Gar got more than he bargained for when they were attacked by a legion of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s. After chopping apart his fair share of the brutes, he was accidentally sent back in time nine million years along with everyone except Perceptor, to when the [[Quintesson]]s ruled Cybertron. After fleeing from a [[guardian robot]] and teaming up with a rebel Autobot group, Wreck-Gar aided the others in their attack on the Quintessons' base, which would have ended in their untimely demise if [[Alpha Trion (G1)|A-3]] had not returned to the past and deactivated the Guardians, forcing the Quintessons to flee. The time-displaced Autobots then returned to their proper era. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

[[Image:Nancy2006.jpg|thumb|left|190px|One lucky robot.]]

One day, Wreck-Gar was watching television with his [[Nancy|lady friend]], but little did they know that Quintessons were spying on them. Wreck-Gar and his Junkions forced off the Quintessons and their Sharkticon pawns, but the Quintessons, aware of Wreck-Gar's love for television, inserted subliminal messages into his programs. These messages managed to convince him and his species to clean the planet and attack all other life forms, Autobot and Decepticon included. Now the centerpiece of their master plan, the hypnotized Wreck-Gar sent a Quintesson broadcast throughout the galaxy, causing tension between all forms of life that now refused to accept each other. Blaster was able to counter the transmissions with some of his own, and Wreck-Gar returned to the Autobots' side. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

[[Image:DwellerinDepths-WreckGar_Vampire.jpg|thumb|right|170px|[[Simon Belmondo|What a horrible night to have a curse!]]]]

Wreck-Gar followed Galvatron down an old shaft with a team of other Autobots when the Decepticon came to Cybertron looking for Perceptor's new power core. They only found an array of mutants, whom the Autobots soundly fought off. They were unprepared for what came next; a [[Dweller|colossal beast]] that trapped Ultra Magnus. Wreck-Gar saved Magnus with his axe while yelling [[G.I. Joe (team)|a familiar battle cry]], but got himself caught in the process. Wreck-Gar bemoaned his fate as the Dweller drained him of his energy. The angered Springer managed to recover his friend's body, but he discovered that Wreck-Gar had now become an [[energy vampire]], bent on taking the energy from other beings. Wreck-Gar promptly infected Springer, and later got to many other Transformers (including Scourge and Cyclonus!), and would not stop there. Thinking quickly, Perceptor created an energy imbalance that returned the vampires to their normal states. {{storylink|The Dweller in the Depths}}

During the outbreak of the [[Hate Plague]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] summoned Wreck-Gar to attempt to repair [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], but unfortunately, [[Wikipedia:Leonard McCoy|he was dead, Jim]]. Wreck-Gar remained on Earth to assist in trying to stop the hate plague, showing up later to rescue Rodimus from the infected Ultra Magnus, but this quickly proved unsuccessful as Ultra Magnus escaped Wreck-Gar's lasso and infected him. In turn, Wreck-Gar infected Rodimus Prime. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} His warehouses were overstocked with hate plague priced to move, for a [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|limited time only]].
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====Rodimus vs. Cyclonus====
Wreck-Gar was there to witness a Quintesson ship, ridden by Hot Rod, Kup, and others, landing on the Planet of Junk. {{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
[[Image:FourWarriors Decepticon attack viewscreen.jpg|left|thumb|200px|When this round thing's in your face, you get, uh, [[Springer (G1)|Sprung]].]]
In 2011, Wreck-Gar was hanging out at Autobot headquarters on Cybertron when Galvatron and his new [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] warriors attacked the planet. He merely pointed out the Decepticons' attack being shown on the telly and (successfully) bossed Grimlock around before running off to try to help anyone who might have fallen and been unable to get up. While Kup and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] were debating the weakness in [[Vector Sigma]], he told them to make sure operators were standing by and darted back off into the hallway, never to be seen again. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}.
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:BigBroadcastUS-WreckGar.jpg|left|thumb|300px|The best kind of melee weapon is the one that shoots lasers.]]
In a strange alternate future, Wreck-Gar and his [[Nancy|lady]] were interrupted in their television watching by a [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] attack. Wreck-Gar rallied his fellow [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] to repel the invaders. He didn't know that the Sharkticons were sent by the [[Quintesson]]s to look for their [[Quintesson Journal|data canisters]] which, during the fight, was hopelessly lost amongst all the junk. The Quintessons then initiated a new plan which involved beaming a hypnotic signal through the Junkions' televisions. The signal made the Junkions extremely hostile to any foreigners as well as compelling them to meticulously organize their junk. In this way the Quintessons would find the data canister for them. In an encounter with the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s, the hypnotic signal was momentarily altered to compel Wreck-Gar to bounce the signal throughout the galaxy, causing television watchers everywhere to attack their neighbors and travel to [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]].

The Autobots also arrived and successfully disrupted the hypnosis signal. Once freed, Wreck-Gar and his Junkions joined the Autobots in driving the Decepticons off the planet. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (US)}}

{{note|In the UK version of the story, the events of "The Big Broadcast of 2006" are a fabrication invented by Wreck-Gar.}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
[[Image:Hunters2-WreckGarBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Oops, did I do that?]]

After the destruction of [[Unicron]], Wreck-Gar remained on Cybertron for a time and helped the Autobots regain control of the planet while attempting to fend off [[Airborne hunter squad|Decepticon attacks]] under the new command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} When [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] planned a time-travel adventure to end the threat posed by former Decepticon commander, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], Wreck-Gar decided to come along and leapt into the time-jump effect at the last second, causing his landing vector to be significantly displaced away from his fellow traveler's. {{storylink|Burning Sky!}} Stumbling across the deactivated body of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] by chance, Wreck-Gar put his considerable mechanical talents to work and rebuilt the scrapped Autobot into a new form as [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]]. The two then joined Wreck-Gar's allies and the present-day [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] in an attempt to stop Galvatron's schemes. {{storylink|Hunters}} Wreck-Gar managed to get a hold of Galvatron's [[Time-jump mechanism|time jump trigger device]], and planned to jury rig the device to send all the time-travelers permanently back to 2007. His recalibrations failed, though, and the Autobots returned to the future while Galvatron remained in the past. {{storylink|Fire on High!}}

Still, Wreck-Gar had proven himself a worthy ally, and Rodimus gave him an official escort back to the planet of Junk and his people. Upon arriving home, however, Wreck-Gar stumbled into a plot by the Dark God himself, Unicron, to co-opt the planet Junk as a new body. It seems Unicron's head had blown free when his original body was destroyed by the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] and had drifted into range of the planetoid. Unicron's vast mental powers had enabled him to enslave the entire Junkion people, and Wreck-Gar was forced to "cancel" [[Scrapheap (G1)|one of his fellow Junkions]] while making his escape, an act for which he swore Unicron would pay dearly. After escaping another of Unicron's mind-pawns, named [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]], Wreck-Gar gathered a large quantity of explosives directly underneath Unicron's head and set them to blow. He managed to destroy what was left of Unicron's body just as Rodimus Prime contained the Chaos-Bringer's living essence within the confines of the Matrix, ending his threat for the moment. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

[[Image:BigBroadcastUK-WreckGar.jpg|left|thumb|300px|LUBUFF!]]

Sometime later, by sheer cosmic chance, Wreck-Gar came into possession of a [[Quintesson Journal]], a message canister containing details of their plans to leave the dying planet Quintessa and colonize other mechanical worlds, including Cybertron. When he attempted to bring this information to Rodimus Prime and the Autobots, Wreck-Gar was intercepted en route by the Quintessons and taken captive. [[Mister Regan|They]] tried to torture the location of the canister out of him, but all they got was [[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|total nonsense]]. Managing to escape, Wreck-Gar hooked up with an Autobot spy named [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], and the two of them blasted off from Quintessa. After eluding his pursuers, Wreck-Gar met up with [[Scrapheap (G1)|some of]] [[Junkyard (G1)|his fellow Junkions]] and rigged the message cannister so that its contents were broadcast across the universe. Instantly, all the potential colony worlds were alerted and forewarned of the possibility of a Quintesson invasion, and overnight the Quintessons became one of the most hated and hunted races in all the galaxies, throwing all their future plans into turmoil. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}
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===''Sticker Adventures''===
[[Image:Springer botjp.jpg|right|thumb|200px|At least this is how Springer tells it.]]
When an [[Autobot shuttle]] was forced to land on [[Junkion (planet)|The Junk Planet]] for repairs, [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] caught the attention of Wreck-Gar. Wreck-Gar was impressed by Blurr's powerful engine...and decided he wanted it! He attacked the Autobots with a horde of Junkions, intent on hacking the still-sputtering engine from Blurr's body, and fought [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] in the process.

The misunderstanding came to an end when [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], an old hand at negotiating with natives, located their missing shuttle and instead engaged the Junkions in a barter session, trading weapons and energon. The Junkions waved as their new friends departed with all their parts intact. {{storylink|Battle on the Junk Planet}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
As the Autobots attempted to repel a [[Sixshot]]-led Decepticon attack, Wreck-Gar rushed up to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] with the news that [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] was attacking the energon plant. He led the Autobot leader there, but they were too late — the [[Nullification Cannon]] had destroyed the energon stocks. A while later, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] returned from [[Tau-Ursa]] with a [[Logicon]] recording revealing the location of [[Metascan Alpha]], a storehouse of energon. Wreck-Gar was present at its playing, and subsequently fought off two Decepticon spies, the [[Clone (subgroup)|Clone]]s. {{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:RunninWithTheDevil-WreckGar.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Amount anyone will pay to never hear this commercial referenced again: ''Anything.'']]
Wreck-Gar found the chassis of the near-dead [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] floating in space, where he had been abandoned by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], while on a supply run. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} Wreck-Gar brought Megatron back on-line and even salvaged several [[Aerospace Extermination Squadron]] drone bodies from the surface of Junk for him so he could reclaim his position as leader of the Decepticons. For Wreck-Gar's efforts, Megatron stabbed him through the chest. {{storylink|Runnin' with the Devil}}

{{note|[[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] declared bankruptcy before many of its plot threads could be resolved. Due to the Junkions' rapid-repair, very-hard-to-kill physiology, it seems unlikely that Wreck-Gar was a fatality.}}
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===Collect and Save===
When the [[Recyclon]]s arrived on Junk, intending to convert the planet into energon for their overseers, the [[Harvest Lords of Sigrath]], Wreck-Gar approached the leader, [[Salvage (Recyclon)|Salvage]], and got two blaster bolts in the chest. After a near-instantaneous repair job, Wreck-Gar called out his fellows and swarmed the Recyclons, severely damaging them and forcing them to retreat to their ship, the ''[[Reclamation]]'', and lift off.

Salvage returned to the planet's surface, leaving the ''Reclamation'' in orbit, in order to make peace with Wreck-Gar. But it was all a ruse; Salvage slapped a device on Wreck-Gar, a more powerful version of the Junkion leader's own decelerator laser, preventing him from attacking or calling his people while the orbiting Recyclons fired a beam from the [[Prime Processing Unit]] to convert the planet to energon from space. However, Wreck-Gar proved even stronger than Salvage expected, and he called the Junkions to fire a tractor beam at the ''Reclamation'', sending it crashing into Junk seconds before the Prime Processing Unit activated, causing the ship to explode. Salvage himself lived only a few seconds more than his fellows, as the Junkions closed in on him immediately afterwards. {{storylink|Collect and Save}}
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==Commercial Appearances==
[[Image:SpringerWreckGarCommercial1.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The sad thing is that they actually get along pretty well!]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (English)
When [[Springer (G1)|Springer]]'s shuttle crash landed on the planet of Junk, Wreck-Gar and another Junkion were there to do endless battle with him! [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] sure liked Wreck-Gar a lot. Maybe he's a Decepticon? Yeah, he's probably a Decepticon. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1}}
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==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Wreck-Gar toy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Hurry, hurry! Operators are standing by!]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Autobot Hero, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-81'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Decelerator laser]]" gun, "Armor Axe"

: Wreck-Gar's first (and for decades, only) toy transforms into a Cybertronic "junk" motorcycle, and is noteworthy for being one of the earliest uses of ball-and-socket joints in the ''Transformers'' toy line. As his fists become the axle for his front wheel, his two weapons can be mounted there in motorcycle mode.

: Unfortunately, two Wreck-Gar toys are completely incapable of riding one another (without some form of customization), unlike the action depicted in the movie.

::*''[http://tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Wreck-Gar/wreck-gar.htm More information on Wreck-Gar at TFU.info]''
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:Generationstoy-WreckGar.jpg|right|thumb|300px|This is the breakfast your Wreck-Gar could look like, can you see me now?]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories'': "4-bladed battle axe"/tailpipe

: Part of the sixth wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]], Wreck-Gar transforms from a ''Road Warrior''-esque motorcycle into an asymmetrical robot with [[facial hair]], a grin, and an axe. Double pegs under his pelvis correspond to double pegholes in his vehicle-mode seat, meaning if you get more than one he can totally ride himself, Junkion-style! His exhaust pipe and rear hubcap detach (via a [[C joint|clip joint]]) and unfold to become his axe weapon. As part of the [[Reveal the Shield]] subline, Wreck-Gar features a [[rubsign]]. The front tire is mounted on a balljoint, allowing it to pivot downward and serve as a shield in robot mode. It can peg onto his elbow in this position, but doing so severely limits articulation. Wreck-Gar has a peg on his left ankle, and a socket on his right ankle, that are nearly the right size for each other, but A) don't quite latch, and B) don't appear to serve any purpose.

: The [[:Image:OriginalRtSWreck-Gar.jpg|original Hasbro stock photography of ''Reveal the Shield'' Wreck-Gar]] showed him with red parts, similar to his animation model and the TakaraTomy release. However, by the time the figure came out at retail, all of his red parts became brown. A set of updated stock photography (as seen on the official Hasbro website) was done to match this change.

: The "Changing to Robot" instructions are missing a step between 7 and 8, where one must A) pull the handlebars gently outward to unseat them, and then B) rotate them inward (so that the windshield/gas cap assembly can fold upward in the next step).

: This mold was [[retool]]ed into ''[[United (toyline)|United]]'' [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]], and a third potential remold is hinted at in his instructions.
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===United===
[[Image:Unitedtoy-WreckGar.jpg|right|thumb|300px|A bright red jogging bra, bright red pirate boots, fleshtone panties.]]
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (Deluxe, [[February 26|2-26]]-2011)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-18'''
**''Accessories'': "Battle axe"/tailpipe

: Part of the third wave of ''[[United (toyline)|United]]'', [[TakaraTomy]]'s version of Wreck-Gar is a [[redeco]] of the [[Hasbro]] release in (surprise!) a much brighter, more cartoon-inspired deco. This version has a ''lot'' more red, the flames dropped from his chest, his helmet in a lighter color, and numerous other color shifts.

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==Merchandise==
[[Image:G1-toy WreckGar-MyClone.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Awesomest MyClone EVER]]
===MyClone===
*'''Wreck-Gar''' (MyClone, 2003)
**''ID number'': '''MTF009'''
**''Accessories'': Stand

: A "[[super deformed]]" mini-figure of Wreck-Gar was created as part of the second wave of [[MyClone]] Transformers in Japan. These toys could be disassembled and their parts mixed-and-matched thanks to a generic base body. In Wreck-Gar's case, this is especially appropriate.
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==Notes==
[[Image:FloroDeryJunkionnotes.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Always read the fine print.]]
{{quote|One of them (WRECK-GAR) has a rusty junk metal version of a Viking helmet and a BRILLO like wooly wiremetal vest.|The 4/27/1985 draft of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.html Heritage Auctions - The Transformers The Movie draft script]@ Disciples of Boltax</ref>}}
* Given the above quote, we're going to take a painful leap to the conclusion that Wreck-Gar was named after the famed newspaper comic strip Viking, [http://www.kingfeatures.com/features/comics/hagar/about.htm Ha'''Gar''' the Horrible.]
* Like the rest of the central ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' cast, Wreck-Gar had a (ridiculously overdetailed) preliminary [[character model]] by [[Floro Dery]] that was revised by Japanese artists before final animation. And just like the rest of the central movie cast, that early model was used as a basis for his toy design, and for his Marvel Comics appearances.
* During Wreck-Gar's first appearance in ''The Transformers: The Movie'', his speech pattern was a mashup of contemporary pop culture catchphrases, each line taking from a multitude of sources and scrambled together to make a (somewhat) coherent new statement. ("Don't look behind Door Number Two, Monty! It's time to play 'End of the Line, My Valentine'! Geroni-oo-run-run-ronimooooo!") In Wreck-Gar's subsequent appearances, however, writers seemed content to give him unaltered lines from television and movies. ("I'm a pepper! Wouldn't you like to be a pepper, too?")
* Of course, in Wreck-Gar's [[Marvel UK]] appearances, he repeats local British pop culturisms. ("That's Blockbusters!" and "Jim'll fix it!")
* For nearly 20 years, Wreck-Gar was the ''only'' Junkion toy, until the creation of the [[e-Hobby]] exclusive [[Detritus]].
* A motorcycle based on Wreck-Gar makes a brief [[easter egg]] appearance in the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' episode "[[Garbage In, Garbage Out]]". Wreck-Gar's [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|''Animated'' counterpart]] throws it at [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] in a fit of misguided helpfulness.
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===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wreck-Gar''' (レックガー ''Rekkugā'')
*''French:'' '''Ferraille''' ("Scrap")
*''Italian:'' '''Chopper'''
*''Russian:'' '''Remontnik''' (Ремонтник, "Repairman")

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Wreck_Gar Wreck-Gar's ''Universe'' profile at NTFA.net]
*[http://www.transformers-universe.com/popup.php?img=content/images/galerie/pics/145/14508_WreckGar_DreamwaveProfile.jpg Wreck-Gar's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' profile at Transformers-universe.com]

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The Motor Master

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168.30.245.144: -hx at work, and THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT!

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:''Motormaster is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:MotormasterAnimated-model.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Step one: Cut a hole in the box. Step two: Put your head in that box.]]

'''Motormaster''' is the leader of the [[Stunticon (Animated)|Stunticon]]s.

==Fiction==
===''Bots of Science'' storybook===
[[Image:BotsofScience-Motormaster.jpg|left|thumb|100px|The chemical warfare agent did it!]]
Motormaster was part of a Decepticon force during the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]]. He ended up being killed by [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]]'s [[Cosmic Rust]].

Strangely enough, he was seen reading an issue of ''[[CSI]]''. {{storylink|Bots of Science}}

===''Timelines''===
Apparently he got better.
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==Toys==
[[Image:BotCon2011toy-Motormaster.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'm the man in the box, buried in my scrap.]]
*'''Unnamed BotCon box set''' (2011)
**''Accessories'': axe/backpack, water cannon
: Motormaster is a [[retool]] of Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], who transforms into a futuristic Earth-mode fire truck (well, the front half of one, at least). His rear portion includes a giant extinguisher cannon, which can become a hand weapon and [[Water-squirting gimmick|really squirts water]]. His trailer also transforms into a giant double-bladed axe. These weapons can store on his back, giving the appearance of wings and a jet pack. Motormaster also has an [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] feature: Pressing a button on his butt flips down and rotates his lower body into the proper position for robot mode.

:Motormaster joins the other four [[Stunticon (Animated)|Stunticon]]s, [[Dead End (Animated)|Dead End]], [[Breakdown (Animated)|Breakdown]], [[Drag Strip (Animated)|Drag Strip]], and [[Wildrider (Animated)|Wildrider]] in [[BotCon 2011]]'s box set.

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==Notes==
[[Image:AllSparkAlmanacI-MotormasterUltraMagnus.jpg|right|thumb|200px|SPOILERS]]
* In the early stages of ''Transformers: Animated'', [[redeco]] possibilities were brainstormed using the existing character models. Concepts for Motormaster and [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]], using an early [[character model]] for [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], were published in the ''[[AllSpark Almanac]]''. These colors seem to have served as inspiration for the later BotCon toy.

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Bumblebee (Movie)/toys

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'''[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]''' is the star of a [[Transformers (2007)|multi-million-dollar film]]. Ergo, he gets a lot of toys and merchandise!

==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemovielegends.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's not a fiesta with racing stripes... it's a fiesta OF racing stripes!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends Class, 2007)
**''Japanese name:'' '''EZ Collection Bumblebee'''

: Legends Bumblebee transforms into a yellow 1976 Chevrolet Camaro. Being a highly simplified toy of a highly complex design, Legends-class Bumblebee does not replicate the appearance of the robot mode very well, and has very limited articulation, detail and paint application. On the other hand, he's pocket-sized and inexpensive, perfect for the younger set. The toy has a sculpted rear window, but it's not painted like the other windows. instead, the racing stripes extend over them.

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*'''Optimus Prime bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

:A Costco exclusive special pack of Leader Class Optimus Prime with Legends Class Bumblebee and [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys is changed from their respective original releases.

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[[Image:Movie Allspark Legends pack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The classic G1 cast...plus Barricade.]]
*'''Battle for the Allspark''' (Toys'R'Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A Toys'R'Us exclusive, this six-pack of Legends class figures contains unmodified toys of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], Bumblebee, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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*'''Bumblebee Scanning Ver.''' (''Hyper Hobby'' magazine exclusive EZ Collection variant, 2007)

: A Japanese-exclusive version of the Legends Bumblebee toy, "scanning version" Bumblebee uses transparent plastics for his yellow parts. He was available as a mail-order item from ''Hyper Hobby'' magazine in September of 2007.

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[[Image:Melltallic Bumblebee.jpg|right|255px|thumb|You know you know you want me]]
*'''Metallic Bumblebee''' (Tsutaya Records exclusive EZ collection variant, 2007)

: This Japanese metallic repaint of Legends class Bumblebee is an exclusive included with purchase of the Movie DVD at Tsutaya Records.

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[[Image:Movie Legends Bumblebee Scorponok toys.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bee stings.]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Scorponok''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)

: As part of the ''AllSpark Battles'' Legends two-packs, a slightly redecoed Legends class Bumblebee, now sporting "battle damage" paint applications, comes with an all-new Legends [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] figure.

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemovietoydeluxe67.jpg|right|250px|thumb|These used cars are fully loaded!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Classic Camaro, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: The first Deluxe Class version of Movie Bumblebee transforms into a yellow [[wikipedia:Second-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro|1976 Chevrolet Camaro]] with a quite reasonable level of sculpted detail. In contrast to the other Deluxe-class car Transformers in the Movie toyline, he does not have clear windows, instead opting for opaque yellow plastic with painted metallic blue.

: Bumblebee is armed with two shoulder-mounted spring-loaded missile launchers (inspired by the shoulder-mounted missile launchers he uses to fight Brawl/Devastator in the movie), which also double as hand-held weapons or can be mounted on ports on the undersides of his elbows. His legs and chest [[Automorph]] during transformation.

: The initial release of the toy featured even tabs for the Automorph gimmick; oddly, Hasbro later decided to [[retool]] the feature so the tab would be uneven.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29613 Original Allspark thread about the retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref> This resulted in many reported cases of the tab snapping during transformation. Press the button or you'll break him. Seriously. The retooled Automorph gimmick would be used for all subsequent versions of the mold, including the Japanese ones, and the breakage problem wouldn't be fixed until the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack and the Target exclusive "Evolution of a Hero" two-pack.

[[Image:Movie Deluxe 1974 Bumblebee JPtoy.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Never seen so much translucent plastic in all my life.]]
: Packaging photos and early [[Prototype|test shots]] of Hasbro's Bumblebee featured transparent blue plastic windows and missile parts. However, the final Hasbro production toy has opaque yellow plastic. The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] release of Bumblebee retains the transparent blue plastic parts, with yellow paint for the outer car shell. As a consequence, the missiles, which are on the same sprue, are also made of clear blue plastic, just like the early prototype seen in the Hasbro stock photos for the toy. He also uses the retooled version of the mold with the fixed [[Automorph]] gimmick.

The packaging used for the Japanese toy is the same as for the Hasbro version, with the exception of additional stickers identifying it as a Japanese market release.

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[[Image:Bumblebee Barricade deluxeboxset.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Go ahead, make my day!"]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: This battle pack contains the 1976 Camaro deluxe-class Bumblebee and the deluxe-class [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]/[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] figures, based upon their confrontation as seen in the movie. The box features a diorama-style background from a movie scene, but the toys themselves are unchanged from their original carded releases.

: The set originally retailed for only slightly less than buying the two individual toys. However, for a short while, it was about the only way to ''get'' Bumblebee in the first place, thanks to the [[Movie (toyline)|toy drought]] following the movie's record-smashing opening.

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*'''Bumblebee Limited Metallic Color Version''' (Lawson exclusive Deluxe-sized Classic Camaro, TakaraTomy 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: A redeco of the Japanese version of the Classic Camaro Bumblebee mold (retaining the clear blue windows and missiles) that was exclusively available with the purchase of a ticket for the movie in Japanese Lawson stores.

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[[Image:Movie TowedtoSafety toys.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Sadly, All Spark Insurance doesn't cover towing charges.]]
*'''Towed to Safety''' (two-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: This set features an unaltered Deluxe class [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] figure and a Deluxe class 1976 Camaro Bumblebee figure. The window box features a diorama background of the battle in [[Mission City]] (basically the same packaging inner tray from the "Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter" pack). As is generally the case with the European releases of the Movie toys, the pictures on the front of the box show the robot-mode toys instead of an artist's depiction of their faces.

: For this two-pack, Hasbro slightly retooled Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick again, adding another small tab that finally resolved the breakage issues that had plagued the previous variation of the mold.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38149 Allspark thread about the second retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref>

:Thus far, this pack has only been released in the United Kingdom.

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[[Image:Movie Deluxe 2009 Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Nu-uh! You don't want none of this!]]
*'''Bumblebee (Camaro Concept)''' (Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-10'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: The second Deluxe class Bumblebee toy, which shares no parts with the previous one (even the head, despite being based on the same general design, is a different sculpt), transforms into the [[wikipedia:Fifth-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro|concept vehicle for the 2009 Chevrolet Camaro]]. Maintaining the high standard for car accuracy in the movie line, Bumblebee is very faithful to the real-life vehicle, featuring clear blue windows in contrast to the opaque windows seen in both his previous Deluxe class toy and the Ultimate Bumblebee toy.

: Bumblebee features two [[Automorph|Automorphing]] gimmicks during transformation: ''(a)'' swinging his hood down into robot mode position also moves his arms up and ''(b)'', swinging his feet down will move the rear fenders up and behind his calves, as well as swinging the rear windows to his inner calves in a spring-loaded action. Unusually, this version of Bumblebee is much more accurate to the CGI design than either the older-model Deluxe OR the Ultimate figure, with the chest properly articulating in a fairly Movie-accurate manner. He's also slightly taller than most of the other Deluxe Class figures.

: Bumblebee features a superb range of articulation, with ball joints in his shoulders, neck, torso, wrists and upper legs, with ratcheting and swivels making up the remaining joints. Instead of the rather inaccurate missile launchers from the 1976 Camaro toy, '09 Bumblebee comes with a mostly accurate version of his plasma cannon as it appears in the movie, but for added play value, it can Automorph into an energy blade by opening up the halves of the gun barrel and swinging them back. The cannon can be held in either of his hands.

: Care should be taken when removing the cannon from Bumblebee's hands, as excessive force can damage the wrist ball joint socket.

: Contrary to popular opinion, the yellow pieces on the back of Bumblebee's feet are ''not'' supposed to be heel spurs, nor have they been mis-assembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design.

: A running change version of this mold adds tabs to the hip panels, which makes the vehicle mode hold together better, as well as sculpted pupils inside Bumblebee's eyes.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144325 TFW2005 thread about the retool for the second Deluxe Bumblebee toy]</ref> Initially this was believed to be a variant for the Japanese market; however, later shipments of the Hasbro toy featured those changes as well, as did all subsequent versions of the mold.

: This mold was also used to make "Allspark Power" [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee Evolutionofahero.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hey, look, Concept Camaro, now ''you're'' the piece o' crap.]]
*'''Evolution of a Hero''' (Target exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles, Plasma cannon

: A Target exclusive, this figure multi-pack contains an unchanged Deluxe-class 1976 Bumblebee and an exclusive "battle damaged" 2009 Camaro Concept Bumblebee. Even though the 2009 figure is supposed to represent Bumblebee's damaged state as he appeared during the final battle in the movie, oddly enough the "damage" paint decos do not appear to extend to his legs, restricting themselves to his upper torso and car roof/door parts. Maybe they didn't bother because they thought you'd take them off like in the movie. Go figure.

:The Classic Camaro Bumblebee toy included in this package features the same "fixed" Automorph gimmick also found on the version included in the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack. In addition, the Automorph button on the hood ''finally'' sports the painted pinstripes that had been missing on ''all'' previous releases of the mold.

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*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (Argos exclusive two-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: A two-pack, exclusively available at Argos stores in the United Kingdom, which contains an unchanged Voyager-class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and an equally unchanged Deluxe-class Concept Camaro Bumblebee.

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[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles CaptureofBB.jpg|right|250px|thumb|You'll never take me alive!]]
*'''Capture of Bumblebee''' (Screen Battles diorama pack, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-04'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: This ''Screen Battles'' pack comes a [[Redeco|redecoed]] Camaro Concept Deluxe-class Bumblebee featuring a more accurate gray color scheme for his robot mode parts and a silver-painted face, Autobot symbol and toes. Additionally, a new red Autobot symbol is placed on his forehead, while his translucent parts are now a greener blue. The pack also comes with non-posable figurines of [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]] and two Sector Seven soldiers; one carrying a cryo-freezing cannon and one carrying a grenade launcher.

: This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the scene in which Bumblebee is captured by Sector Seven forces.

:According to details listed in an official checklist on Hasbro's website{{fact}}, this pack was originally supposed to feature "ice soldiers" (plural), in addition to an "S7 agent" and an "S7 soldier". Apparently budget ultimately only allowed for one. The grenade launcher-wielding S7 soldier also looks conspicuously like [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]] colored as a Sector Seven soldier (it's possible that the figure had originally been intended for the Screen Battles "Desert Attack" pack with [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]).

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[[Image:MovieTargetAllsparkDeluxeBumblebee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bumblebee just went neon. For Playskool, see the Cyber Slammers version.]]
*'''All Spark-Enhanced Bumblebee''' (Target Exclusive Deluxe, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: This Target exclusive features the Deluxe Class Bumblebee in unique cylindrical packaging, with the only difference from his standard release being that key robot mode parts are highlighted by the slavish 'All Spark Blue' color for no other reason than [[to sell toys]].

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[[Image:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bumblebee, as he appears in [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Bizarro World]].]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: Stealth Bumblebee is an extensive redeco and minor retool of the Deluxe class 2009 Camaro Bumblebee toy. The redeco itself is unusual in that the yellow parts are still cast in yellow plastic, but painted black. Other color differences include changing the robot mode body parts from black to gray and adding bright blue ''AllSpark Power'' decos.

:The head has also been retooled to reflect Bumblebee's 'battle mask' as seen in the Movie. The "mask" does not flip up to reveal his head. Bummer.

:Downloadable content for the [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360/PS3 version of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' game]] features this deco as an alternate skin for Bumblebee.

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[[Image:MovieDeluxePremiumBumblebee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' ("Premium Series" Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-22'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

:This [[redeco]] of the Deluxe-class Concept Camaro toy features a similar deco as the Screen Battles version in terms of plastic colours, but replaces the head sculpt with the "battle mask" sculpt previously used for Stealth Bumblebee. All of his outer car body panels have been coated in a metallic yellow paint job.

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[[Image:WMTheLegacyOfBumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px|Featuring Whitebread Edition Bumblebee, Limey Edition Bumblebee, and ''Animated'' Edition Bumblebee. (What'd you '''think''' we were gonna say?)]]
*'''The Legacy of Bumblebee''' (Deluxe class multi-pack, 2008)

:A Walmart [[exclusive]] three pack, ''The Legacy of Bumblebee'' collector's set comes with [[Bumblebee (G1)|''Classics'']], Movie Deluxe Concept Camaro ([[Premium Series]]) and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] figures. While the ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' Bumblebees are identical to their original, single carded releases, the ''Classics'' Bumblebee has been redecoed to more closely resemble his ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' counterparts, changing his white stripes to black, and his grey/silver plastic to yellow, similarly to ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bumble.

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====Screen Battles====
[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles FinalStand1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Half a bee, philosophically/ Must, ipso facto, half not be./ But half the bee has got to be/ Vis-a-vis, its entity. D'you see?"]]
*'''Final Stand''' (Screen Battles, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-02'''

: This ''Screen Battles'' pack comes with an altered [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] toy and a posable, non-transforming, battle-damaged Bumblebee figure very similar to the ''Robot Replicas'' toy, yet surprisingly utilizing none of the same parts despite being on an identical scale. This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the battle in Mission City.

:Although entirely comprised of original sculpting, such as the gimpy leg-stumps, the Bumblebee figure oddly does not feature the character's distinctive car door "wings" on his back. However, keen [[Kitbashing|customisers]] can easily rectify this by slicing the "Robot Replicas" version's wings off and whittling their connecting plastic into simple posts that very handily plug into large holes in the tires on Final Stand 'Bee's back. In fact, these holes almost seem designed to accommodate a missing part. (Considering how all the other Screen Battles sets were apparently originally intended to feature more, or at least more elaborate, accessory figures based on their entries in an official checklist on Hasbro's website{{fact}}, this seems indeed very plausible.)

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:Ultimate Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|All those extras and they couldn't make me more accurate than the deluxe class toy.]]
*'''Ultimate Bumblebee''' (Ultimate, 2007)
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: Similar in appearance to the second Deluxe-class Bumblebee toy, albeit much larger and more complex, the 'Ultimate' version of Bumblebee also transforms into the 2009 concept Camaro. The toy features animatronic movement in robot mode (flapping wings, moving arms and a rotating head) and light-up eyes and headlights, activated by the movement or sounds made by the person playing with the toy, or by pressing his buttons, which also activate an obscene number of interactive electronic sound effects. Oddly enough, despite being mute for most of the movie, Bumblebee has a wide range of phrases (Which don't even sound like him). His chest button yields various phrases and a new version of the ''Transformers'' theme tune, while a button on his side produces blaster noises, more speech, and musical samples, including four different ones from Devo's "Whip It." This button also causes the toy to raise its cannon-arm and automatically fire a missile. Playing with the toy by moving it will make him repeat various phrases and samples activated by other features, as well as crashing battle noises, but when he is left idle, more unique phrases will be uttered inquiring where everyone has gone, as well as radio snippets to the same effect, before the toy eventually deactivates. Pressing any button will bring him back online with a cheerful shout.

: Transforming the toy between modes is accompanied by the classic transformation noise, and if left unattended between modes, it will make stalling engine noises, car horn and a car alarm sounds. Once in car mode, new electronics are unlocked, beginning with the sound of an engine starting up. The chest button now activates the car's horn, and rolling the figure along will create an accelerating noise that increases the faster the toy is moved. More unique musical snippets will play as the car rolls along; when the rolling stops, brake lights activate and the tires screech. Yet more sounds are produced when Bumblebee is rolled backwards, and the car mode also features different crashing battle noises to the robot mode.

: All of the toy's features can be turned off by a switch, and it has an additional "Try Me" mode which allows you to hear various sounds from the toy's various functions just by pressing the chest button.

: The toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure made the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block resting on Bumblebee's chest. In reality, it splits up into five separate pieces to fold and collapse into a more movie-like appearance.

: In the holiday season, Wal-Mart carried an exclusive "Bonus Buy" version of the toy, which had the Deluxe [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] toys added as freebies. Costco also carried an exclusive version, with the 3" [[Titanium Series]] version of Bumblebee packed in. However, it did not include the display stand.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive two-pack, 2007)
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:A Costco-exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Titanium Series Bumblebee (see below) as a bonus figure. Neither toy is changed from its respective original release.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee Bonus Value pack''' (Wal*Mart exclusive multi-pack, 2007)
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:A Wal*Mart-exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys are changed from their respective original releases.

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviefab.jpg|right|250px|thumb| Fast and actiony.. you know, for the kids!]]
*'''Plasma Punch Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:[[Fast Action Battler|Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a considerably simpler transformation than the standard deluxe toy, intended for the slightly younger set. His main "gimmick" is a spring-loaded missile launcher in his right arm. As is also the case with Ultimate Bumblebee, the toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure make the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block. In reality, the chest/bumper consists of two rotating pieces which can pivot down so as to more accurately emulate the appearance in the movie.

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[[Image:FAB Rally Rocket BB.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's Buckaroo Banzai! The latest issue!]]
*'''Rally Rocket Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:A [[repaint]] of Plasma Punch Bumblebee. It transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a simple transformation. The right arm is a spring loaded missile launcher. As is also the case with the original [[Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee, the hood is presented as a solid brick.

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====Cyber Slammers toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviecyberslammer.jpg|right|250px|thumb|A Battlecharger for the new millennium.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Classic Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)

: Cyber Slammers Bumblebee is an amazingly cute 1976 Camaro that transforms into an amazingly cute Autobot buddy of human characters. "Slam" his robot mode down into car mode and he rolls along for a while, then snaps back up into robot mode.

: This toy was also made available during the 2007 holiday season as a freebie "Bonus Buy" packaged with Cyber Stompin' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] at Wal-Mart stores.

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee CamaroConcept CyberSlammer.jpg|right|250px|thumb|And so, Bumblebee rejoins the Throttlebots.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Concept Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)

:The second [[Cyber Slammers]] Bumblebee figure toy transforms into a Concept Camaro and shares no parts with the previous Cyber Slammers Bumblebee figure. Like all Cyber Slammers, the toy features motorized action. When you push down on the car, it zooms forward, then pops up into robot mode! Sure to please the toddler you brought with you to the PG-13 movie. Like most Cyber Slammers, Bumblebee manages to cram most of his vehicle mode's major details into a compact, super-deformed version of that mode.

: This toy was later redecoed into [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].

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====Trans-Scanning====
[[Image:Movie TranScanning Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|whY mY SHoUlDeRs hUrT?(Now I know how Hot Shot feels)]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TS-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand

: [[Trans-scan|Trans-scanning]] Bumblebee is a Japanese-exclusive figure with many interchangeable parts. At its most basic, the figure is a spindly skeleton referred to as a "Core Body". To this skeleton, two sets of armor pieces can be attached to create one of two forms for Bumblebee: his [[protoform]] mode or his Earth mode.

: The protoform mode consists of eight pieces of golden plastic that plug into the arms, chest, pelvis and legs of the figure. With these pieces attached, the figure can be manipulated in a manner that might charitably be called "transformation" into his meteor-like "entry mode," accomplished by doing little more than tucking the head out of sight and folding the chest back. This golden-and-grey lump can be mounted on a three-piece stand that comes with the figure, allowing you to display it in mid-plummet. Bumblebee's Earth mode, meanwhile, is made up of nineteen armor pieces (including a particularly large backpack) that form a rather [[Kibble|kibbly]] robot mode, which can then transform into a Camaro Concept.

: Bumblebee also includes a pair of interchangeable, open-palmed hands that can be swapped out for the clenched fists that are in place in-package. The Core Body mold was re-used for the simultaneously released Trans-Scanning [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] figure.

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====Cyber Stompin' robots====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviecyberstompin.jpg|right|150px|thumb|These boots were made for—you know the rest.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyber Stompin' Robots, 2007)

: [[Cyber Stompin' Robots]] Bee is a large electronic action figure, featuring a rather cutified design. He's got electronic lights and sounds up the whazzoo and fires missiles and a fist. He totally plays the original theme song.

: Later in the year, Wal-Mart stores sold this toy as a "Bonus Buy" item, which came with a free Cyber Slammer [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] attached to the box back.

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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:Movie RobotReplica Bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Heli-pack not included]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2007)

: As part of the [[Robot Replicas]] sub-line, this version of concept-Camaro Bumblebee is a non-transforming action figure that hews very close to the movie's CGI model. It features joints similar to the [[Revoltech]] toys, plus his right forearm can be replaced with his blaster-arm (or any other arm attachments from other Robot Replicas, which could lead to some fun Frankensteins). For some reason, he's closer to orange than his normal yellow.

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====Micro IR Transformers Cars====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee MircroIR.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Drives and shoots!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

: Made by [[RadioShack]] under license from [[Hasbro]] and [[Dreamworks]]. The three-function infrared remote, in Bumblebee's signature colors, gives you control of the car with forward and reverse turn movement. More than just a car styled after the Movie character, the car also transforms to robot mode. The top of the gun-shaped IR remote's barrel serves as a display stand. The tip of the gun barrel can also be unscrewed, revealing a pen (!) inside.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviets3.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Special feature: Can't talk, just like the real Bumblebee!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Masters, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Movie-style Autobot sigil display stand

: This Bumblebee is a three-inch tall painted mini-statue of his 1976 Camaro body form. He features die-cast in his torso and thighs, and he has swivel joints at the shoulders, head and waist. Oh, and he comes with a Movie-style Autobot logo base to stand on.

: This item was also packed in with Ultimate Bumblebee as a Costco-exclusive set.

: This mold was later used to make ''Titanium Series'' [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper]] for ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.
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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Legends Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Designed for the impulse buyer in all of us.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-03'''

:''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee is based upon the updated Camaro Concept featured in the movie (unlike the 2007 Legends class Bumblebee which was based on the 1976 Camaro). Compared to the previous Movie Legends, he has better, more accurate detailing and proportions (or as accurate as can be obtained at this [[pricepoint]]).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_ReconBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Surely he will blend into the crowd with this look!]]
*'''Recon Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:Recon Bumblebee is a redeco of the regular Legends-class Bumblebee, featuring new details such as different stripes, a pattern on his doors and an Autobot insignia on his hood.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegReconBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Recon Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_StealthBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Hasbro isn't too creative with this type of thing...]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)

:Stealth Bumblebee is another redeco that inverts Bumblebee's colors, giving him yellow stripes on a black body.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy BumblebeeStealthJDVD.jpg|thumb|300px| The [[Exclusive| special edition]], only available in [[Japan]] one is LESS detailed?!]]
*'''EZ Collection Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:This black redeco of Legends class Bumblebee is available [[exclusive]]ly with standard ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' DVDs purchased at various stores in Japan. Its deco is similar, but not identical, to that of Hasbro's Stealth Bumblebee, using less-detailed car-mode stripes and less robot-mode deco.

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[[Image:ROTFDVD__Tsutaya_clearBumblebee.jpg|thumb|200px|Bumblepee]]
*'''EZ Collection Clear Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:Clear Bumblebee is made partly from translucent yellow plastic, but uses the same opaque black plastic and paint applications as the mass-retail Bumblebee. He is only available with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' DVDs purchased at Tsutaya stores in Japan, and only comes with the transforming Bumblebee DVD-case version.
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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_2packBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|More Legends Bumblebee! MORE!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs Shadow Striker''' (Legends two-pack, 2010)

:The Bumblebee mold was given new paint applications for this two-pack with [[Shadow Striker (ROTF)|Shadow Striker]], such as [[cyberglyphics]] on his doors. The two-pack was exclusive to [[Target]] stores and eligible for the "[[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]]" promotion.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/TargetLegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on two-pack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeerotfpreviewtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Yes, you're buying this mold again. Surprise!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Released as part of the preview series of figures for [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen's toyline]] alongside [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], Bumblebee is a retool of the Camaro Concept Bumblebee mold, feature a new vehicle front end, hood and wheels to reflect the changes to the prop vehicle used in the movie; and in robot mode has a new, more accurate headsculpt. His right arm has been retooled to accommodate a built-in spring-loaded plasma cannon, replacing the converting plasma cannon/blade weapon from the previous version of this mold. Don't look at his eyes for too long, you'll have nightmares.

:Strangely, the missile for his right arm is slightly too long for the slot in the arm itself, so it either has to be slightly cut down to fit or the cannon must be swiveled outwards to accommodate the missile. (This has been fixed in later releases, such as the European market). Also, instead of having movie accurate gray colored "toe" sections on his feet like the later 2007 figures, his toes are ''painted'' yellow ...on top of yellow plastic. Oookay...

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-CannonBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|New from the ass up!]]
*'''Cannon Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-14'''

:This extensive retool of Bumblebee changes the entire upper half of the robot mode, and thus half of the car, to newly designed parts, including more articulated arms with open palms, less obstructive vehicle [[kibble]], a differently transforming chest, and two flip-out (non-firing) missile launcher racks behind his head. Only the legs remain unaltered from the original version of the mold. Interestingly, his arms can be detached and easily popped onto the original mold, resulting in a more [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] robot mode, though this sacrifices transformation. This extensive retooling results in a car interior with seats and a crude dashboard, but the windows are so opaque that these new details can't easily be seen. A variant with clear blue windows was released in later shipments.

:His "heels" are assembled backwards, which keeps them from being folded up against the back of the shins. Disappointingly, his chest cannot deform like the previous releases of this mold (or his Fast Action Battler, which still has a deforming chest).

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[[Image:ROTF_NEST_Battle_Pack_Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yeah, [[Fandom| we're]] going to get one of [[Redeco| these]] every few waves.]]
*'''Alliance Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-27'''
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Alliance Bumblebee is a [[redeco]] of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Preview Bumblebee. He now has several black thick black stripes across the hood and roof, stripes and [[NEST]] logos across the doors and side fender panels. He also has black arms, legs and torso to match this new colour scheme, instead of the more accurate grey colours seen in the previous release and Cannon Bumblebee. The yellow shoulder pieces are now pinned in place.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-BumblebeeNESTAlliance.jpg|right|thumb|300px| Blame it on kids... [[Wal-Mart]]... [[Target]]... [[Hasbro]]... okay blame EVERYONE.]]
*'''Battlefield Bumblebee Vs. Infiltration Soundwave NEST set''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2009)

:A redeco and retool of Cannon Bumblebee with a new head featuring his battle mask, close to Stealth Bumblebee from the 2007 movie line. He was only available in a two-pack with a redecoed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]. Also included in the packaging is a "Mission Guide" catalog and ordering form for the mail-in exclusive [[Ravage (ROTF)|Recon Ravage]], a "starter sticker" for said ordering form, and a [[NEST Global Alliance]] iron-on patch. Two additional stickers from specially-marked NEST Global Alliance products and $4.95 shipping are required for the promotion. The promotion to get Recon Ravage was only available in North America, and Recon Ravage was available in most other markets at a retailer exclusive.

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:ROTF HumanAlliance Bumblebee%26Sam.jpg|right|300px|thumb|NOT a headmaster.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' / '''Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-21'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 Missiles

:Human Alliance Bumblebee comes with a posable figure of [[Sam Witwicky]] that can fit inside in Bumblebee's vehicle mode (plugging into his seat via a small hole in his back) and drive him. In robot mode, Bumblebee's vehicle-mode seats end up on his arms, and Sam can sit in either of them; the seat on Bumblebee's right has a headrest that can fold down to look slightly less conspicuous in robot mode, while the seat on Bumblebee's left arm features a pair of cannons which flip over Sam's shoulders, offering him some offensive hardware to protect his rather precarious position. Sam can also stand on a platform that flips out from the small of Bumblebee's back (again, via peg-holes on his feet), manning a small non-firing cannon that flips out over Bumblebee's right shoulder. Finally, Bumblebee's left palm also contains a peg, meaning Sam can securely stand or sit in his big buddy's hand. Bumblebee himself features a spring-loaded cannon for his left arm, which can fire the two missiles the figure comes with, a flip-out double-barreled silver cannon that points over his head, and a functional flip-down battle mask. Much like the rest of his Human Alliance brethren, Bumblebee is roughly the same size as an ''[[Alternators]]'' toy, being slightly taller than ''Alternators'' [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] in robot mode.

[[Image:Human Alliance Bumblebee Prototype.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Modders, vindicated by the prototype.]]
:There is a significant [[misassembly]] issue with Bumblebee: according to TakaraTomy's images of the resin [[prototype]] as well as Bumblebee's CG design, the retail toy's legs are on the wrong sides of his body, so the details on his legs are inverted. Since the instructions reflect this assembly, it's possible that this was [[design change|done on purpose]] because with the toy in its originally intended assembly, the waist section could be rather difficult to transform for children. The toy's originally intended assembly can still be [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons-customs/243649-human-alliance-bumblebee-leg-mod.html easily achieved by disassembling his crotch and reassembling the legs backwards.] Once this is complete, Bumblebee will look the way he was intended to look, while adding some minor extra steps during transformation.

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:ROTF UltimateBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Now available in expensive.]]
*''' Ultimate Bumblebee Battle Charged''' (Ultimate, 2009)

:''Revenge of the Fallen's'' Ultimate Bumblebee is a retool of the 2007 version, with new rims, hood, front fenders. He also features a new, more accurate head sculpt with a battle mask. This time, his sound chip plays [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]".

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Pulse_Blast_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| Faster and Actiony-er... you know, for the kids!]]
*'''Pulse Blast Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)

:Pulse Blast Bumblebee is a retool of 2007's Plasma Punch Bumblebee, with updated vehicle mode parts to reflect the changes in the prop Camaro vehicle, along with a new, more accurate head sculpt. Like the 2007's Plasma Punch photo, stock photographs by Hasbro neglect to tilt the car front fender panels.

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[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Sand_Attack_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| [[Anakin Skywalker| I hate sand... it's so coarse and rough.]]]]
*'''Sand Attack Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)

:Sand Attack Bumblebee is a redeco of Plasma Punch Bumblebee, not using the retooled parts of Pulse Blast Bumblebee. The deco itself consists of a sand-blasted-like camouflage pattern, or alternatively, a sand-worn appearance.

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====Gravity Bots====
[[Image:ROTF GravityBot Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| The evolution of Jumpstarters!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-02'''

:Plonk him down. Lift him up. Plonk him down. Lift him up. This addictive toy transforms automatically when stood up (vehicle to robot), or placed on his back (robot to vehicle). A switch underneath his feet or his car mode releases the transformation -- so the toy can be played with in relatively stable modes if held in the air, or just rolling along the ground.

:Because gravity is the powering force in the transformation there's no motors to wear out or batteries to use up when playing with the toy. Which is good, because you will be transforming him no less than nine million times.

:Bumblebee features dumpy proportions and low movie accuracy (no door wings here), forced upon the toy to accommodate the [[Gravity Bot]]s transformation gimmick. His robot mode has no articulation, not even head. But at least he has big feet! Or legs... or whatever the heck they are. Stump? At least he has a big stump.
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[[Image:ROTF_GravityBots_BoltBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|Hasbro, once again showing their uncreativity.]]
*'''Bolt Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)

: A [[redeco]] of Gravity Bots Bumblebee in a predominantly black colour scheme that recalls 2008's Stealth Bumblebee redeco of the Deluxe class Bumblebee toy.

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====Battle Chargers====
[[Image:ROTF Battle Chargers Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You know, you shouldn't think too hard about this.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:Part of the [[Robot Powered Machines]] subline, Battle Charger Bumblebee is a [[super-deformed]] Concept Camaro with a [[pull-back motor]]. When pulled back and let go, the car's roof flips open and Bumblebee's equally cutesified robot mode pops out.

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[[Image:ROTF_BattleChargers_StealthBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Or this. Bumblebee giving birth to himself can wreck your mind.]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:A redeco of Battle Charger Bumblebee in yellow-on-black. Again.
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====Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF PowerBots Bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hello, I'm Bumblebee, and my shoulders hurt.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2009)

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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RobotReplicas_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px| Bumblebee played around with [[Nucleon]] in high school.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2009)

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Legends_Cyberfire_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Impulse Buying Evolved.]]
*'''Cyberfire Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)

: This redeco of Legends class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee features a paint deco inspired by ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy Deluxe Battle Blade Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| About freaking time, Hasbro.]]
*'''Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-02'''

:This entirely new Deluxe class Bumblebee features a much more accurate sculpt in robot mode compared to previous versions of Deluxe class Camaro Concept Bumblebee, with the transformation scheme taking many cues from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Human Alliance Bumblebee, scaled down to Deluxe size, while using an [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] design for the leg transformation directly based on the original Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee. Despite the very similar looks, Battle Blade Bumblebee uses no parts from previous toys, everything about him is an entirely new sculpt.

:His right hand can be switched out for his cannon by opening the arm guard, flipping out the cannon barrel, folding away the right hand and folding the cannon over to the wrist. Due to how the parts were distributed on the plastic sprues during production, the cannon barrel is yellow rather than grey. The left arm-guard has a flip-out axe made of blue plastic, representing the axe weapon Bumblebee uses in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' video games]], which itself is possibly based upon the electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stinger]] that was once considered as a melee weapon for Bumblebee in the first movie. The axe is spring-loaded, activated by a button on his arm-guard. This version of Movie Bumblebee also features a flip-down battle mask, very similar to Human Alliance Bumblebee. In other words, pure premium awesome-sauce.

:Stock photos show that the axe was originally made in such a way that the blade was mounted on a rod and could be rotated downwards, but this was changed entirely for unknown reasons (possibly fragility).

:The Japanese ''Autobot Alliance'' release features marginally darker yellow plastic and paint.

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*'''Special Edition Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)

:As part of their "Transformers 'Fan of the Year' Competition" at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010, Hasbro Hong Kong offered a one-of-a-kind [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] Battle Blade Bumblebee for whomever happened to spend the most money purchasing Transformers products at Hasbro's booth over the course of the fair. The figure is presented in a wood and perspex display case.

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*'''Crash Landing Attack''' (Target exclusive 2-pack, 2010)

:A [[redeco]] of the first Revenge of the Fallen deluxe Bumblebee, this version is fluorescent yellow and blue. The car doors and hood feature a new deco of overlaid black and silver streaks, as well as a solid black stripe down the middle with a large silver Autobot symbol at the front. It is packaged with a redeco of [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]]. It is also [[Generation 2 (franchise)|G2-a-licious]].

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*'''Bombing Run Battle''' (Walmart Exclusive 2-pack, 2010)
[[Image:WMBombRunBattleBumblebeeGrindor.jpg|thumb|250px|Hasbro, you tease. Give us a [[Wasp]]!]]
:A redeco of Cannon Bumblebee in a brighter yellow with dark pine green replacing the former toy's metallic teal. The windows are cast in transparent green plastic with green trim and the outsides of his arms are also painted green. Additionally, there is a green stripe running across and between the fenders on each side with green accents on the face and helmet as well. The face has been painted silver and lacks the pupils of the previous deco. His thumbs are now black and the tailpipes have been painted gunmetal. The tiny Autobot symbol by the driver's side door has been replaced with a larger white one on the right rear window. He came packaged with a Legends [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] redeco.

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*'''Rampage Among The Ruins''' (Toys "R" Us Exclusive 3-pack, 2010)

:Essentially a redeco of "Bombing Run Battle" Bumblebee (using the same shade of yellow plastic) but using the head of the NEST 2-pack Bumblebee head. All of the green parts have been replaced with a chocolate brown including the tires with brown stripes over his eyes which run across the top of his battle helmet. The thumbs and insides of his upper arms are also painted brown. The windows are clear and untinted. He has a brown "wash" over his lower arms and on his doors probably to simulate caked on dirt or mud. There are also silver "scratches" on both doors as well as the driver's side of the hood. He has a tiny black-on-white Autobot symbol on his lower abdomen. Unlike previous versions of this mold, the rear lights, tailpipes, and lower front headlights are unpainted.

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:TF2010 Human Alliance Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px| The Evolution of Repacking!]]
*'''Bumblebee w/ Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2010)
: A slight redeco of the first Human Alliance Bumblebee in new gold ''Transformers'' packaging. Bumblebee now has green eyes while Sam is a new mold with a white shirt and a teeny tiny head.

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====Battle Ops====
[[Image:Battle_Ops_bumblebee_both.JPEG|right|thumb|300px| When Bumblebee has a toy as tall as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)| Prime]]... things are getting bad.]]
*'''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' (2010)

:Battle Ops Bumblebee is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two shoulder/hood missile launchers (non-functional).

:As revealed at the Hasbro designers panel at [[BotCon 2010]], an easter egg is hidden in Battle Ops Bumblebee's electronics: a button on one of the front wheels when pressed several times will play the first verse of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original ''Transformers'']] [[theme song]], and subsequent presses will play further verses.
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====Activators====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Activators_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Expect repaints... LOTS of repaints.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)

:''[[Activators]]'' Bumblebee is a small and simple toy with cutesified proportions. By pressing a button on his vehicle mode roof, he [[autotransformation|autotransforms]] into robot mode.

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[[Image:TF2010-toy_RallyRumbleBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|'''Many''' redecoes.]]
*'''Rally Rumble Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Activators'' Bumblebee with a black hood and rally-themed markings. His yellow plastic is distinctly... ''yellower'' than his usual orangey yellow color.

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====Power Bots====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_PowerBots_StealthBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px| Can't we get a Cliffjumper for once [[Hasbro]]?]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Power Bots Bumblebee in his recurring black "stealth" color scheme. It remains to be seen if his lights or sounds have been changed.

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===Masterpiece===
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' ''MPM-2''

:Masterpiece Movie Bumblebee is a redeco of Battle Ops Bumblebee. He is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two shoulder/hood missile launchers (non-functional).

:Unlike the Hasbro version, he features a very extensive paint job including chromed rims, and features no yellow plastic despite his appearance. Instead all of his yellow parts are painted over gray plastic, to give it as close to a Movie like appearance as possible.

:Among other notable plastic color changes, the [[TakaraTomy]] version features a clear colorless left hand rather than clear blue like the Hasbro release.
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==Merchandise==
===3D Battle Card game===
[[Image:3DBattleCard_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''1'''

: Bumblebee is a 20-point "Rare" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]. Constructed of punch-out pieces from randomly packed plastic cards (two full robots per pack), he can be assembled into his car mode (model undetermined) or into a rather stumpy robot mode. One of his blaster-weapons is held in his right hand, the other can mount on either shoulder.

: He uses the same construction as [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]], [[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Generation 1 Prowl]].

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[[Image:3DBattleCard_ProtoformBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Protoform Bumblebee''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''10'''

: Protoform Bumblebee is a 27-point "Uncommon" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]].

: He uses the same construction as protoform [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].

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===Transformers (2007)===
====Lunchables====
* '''Bumblebee''' ("Pocket Transformers" toy prize, 2007)

: A fold-out "pseudo-figure" of Bumblebee "transforms" from a flat, yellow plateform decorated with the Autobot symbol and the word "Transformers" to a robot by folding out. Bumblebee is represented by stickers decorated with artwork of the character on the top, bottom, and two fold out "arms". His name is also spelled out, across his feet in this mode.

: This mold was also used to creatre the lunchables figure for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. A similar mold was used to creature the Lunchables figure for [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], though with the Decepticon symbol sculpted in instead of the Autobot one. Each itiration of this mold was made with a different color of plastic.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/LunchBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Lunchables Blackout at TFU.info]''

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*'''Transformers Gummy Candy''' (2006)

:Made by the [[Frankford Candy & Chocolate Company]] at the behest of [[Hasbro]]'s Cap Candy Company unit, this large Bumblebee-shaped [[Transformers Gummy Candy|gummy candy]] was available throughout 2006 to 2007. Also available was an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]-shaped gummy candies.

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[[Image:Mov-toy BeatmixBumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"Dance my puppet, DANCE! MAW HA HA HA HA HA!!!"]]
*'''Beatmix Bumblebee''' (2007)

: ''Beatmix'' Bumblebee is a device that hooks up to a music device, similarly to an ''iDog''. Like the aforementioned product, ''Beatmix'' Bumblebee reacts to the music being played (outputted via a speaker within him). With a touch, he can also sample the owner's music tracks and replay them with sound effects from the movie. His arms are posable, but Bumblebee cannot transform.

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee Allsparkblaster.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Well, that's original.]]
*'''Bumblebee AllSpark Blaster''' (2008)

:The Bumblebee AllSpark Blaster is one of several Movie Roleplay toys. The toy consists of a a blaster attached to Bumblebee's (hollow) hand which a child can slip their own hand inside like a glove and wield. Pulling the trigger causes the toy to emit transformation sounds, allowing the user to transform the toy weapon from laser blaster mode to plasma cannon mode, by pulling the handle on the back. Laser blaster mode features laser pulse sounds and a "laser flare beam" (lights), while the plasma cannon mode has "plasma pulse lights" and explosion sounds.

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*'''Transformers car air freshener''' (2007)

: A faithful replica of the "Bee-Otch" air freshener dangling from Bumblebee's rear-view mirror, with cinnamon scent. It was given out by the handful at [[BotCon 2007]]. Supposedly it was also available at retail, but no reliable sightings have been reported.

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*'''TRANSFORMERS Chess Set''' (2007)

: Two identical bronze-colored plastic statues of Bumblebee serve as the [[Chess]] set's Autobot-side knights.

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====Unleashed====
[[Image:Unleashed movie bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|What are YOU lookin' at?]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

:''[[Unleashed]]'' Bumblebee is a sculpture of Bumblebee in his Camaro Concept body, in an action pose, standing atop the wrecked remains of a somewhat super-deformed car. Like most of the other products in the ''Unleashed'' line, he became a notorious [[shelfwarmer]].

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====XMODS====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee XMODS.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Transforms from vehicle mode to modified vehicle!]]
*'''XMODS® Evolution Transformers Bumblebee''' (2007)
**''Model Number'': '''60-186'''

[[Image:Movie Bumblebee XMODS Weapons.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Bumblebee is now more battle ready than Ironhide...I think.]]
: Bumblebee, in his Camaro Concept form, is one of the first Transformers characters to be licensed by [[RadioShack]] from [[Hasbro]] and [[Dreamworks]] for their XMODS Evolution line of radio control cars. "The maximum in modification", Bumblebee is a base kit that can be upgraded with a '''Evolution Weapons and Light Kit for Bumblebee''' (''Model Number'': '''60-191'''), which adds two racks of missiles to his doors, his plasma cannon onto the hood, as well as LED red taillights and white headlights. Bumblebee is also compatible with any of the optional motor upgrades, body kits, steering and suspension upgrades, and more available for the brand.

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====ZipZaps====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee ZipZaps.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A long stream of urine, disguised as radio wire]]
*'''ZipZaps® Micro RC Starter Kit 1.0 Transformers® Bumblebee™''' (2007)
**''Model Number'': '''60-180'''

: Bumblebee is also one of the first Transformers characters licensed by RadioShack for their ZipZaps line of pocket-size radio control cars. As a ZipZap, Bumblebee can be customized, trimmed, and tuned with any other accessories available for the brand. He has working headlights and requires four "AAA" batteries for the charger.

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====XKites====
[[Image:Movie_XKites_Bumblebee_SkyDelta42.jpg|thumb|200px| Flying through the sky so fancy free...]]
*'''SkyDelta 42 Transformers Kite''' (2007)

:[[XKites]] made several poly delta kites with stock images of ''Transformers'' characters printed on them. This model had a 42" wingspan and a fibreglass airframe, and featured an image of Bumblebee.
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====Basic Fun====
*'''Keychain''' (2007)

: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Bumblebee's robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.

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====Transformers Movie Danglers====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee dangler.jpg|right|173px|thumb| Things don't get much weirder than this... [[Kiss Players (franchise)| OH WAIT...]] ]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

:Released by [[Tomy Yujin]] in November 2007 <ref name="TomyYujin">[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref> as part of the [[Danglers Collection]], this toy is a weird plastic [[super-deformed]] version of Bumblebee that poops out his vehicle mode when you squeeze him. This little figurine has a little strap on it so that it can be put on cell phones or portable gaming devices.

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====Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee screencleaner.jpg|right|104px|thumb| [[Frenzy (Movie)| He]] cleans his screen with these.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)

:Released by Tomy Yujin on January 2008<ref name="TomyYujin">[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref>, this dangler is a faction logo-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone, with a stock image of Bumblebee printed on the other side.

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
*'''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Bubble Bath''' (2009)

: ''Revenge of the Fallen''-branded bubble bath was released on March 2009. The generic bottle features a stock image of Bumblebee.
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===='''Bumblebee Voice Changer'''====

[[Image:ROTF Bumblebee VoiceChanger.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A Voice Changer Helmet for a character who has no voice and talks through the radio.]]

*''Parts:'' Antennas(l+r), Side pieces (l+r), Helmet top, Adjustable straps (pre-installed), Battery cover (pre-installed), Switch retainer (red!), AAA batteries (3), Helmet.
:The Bumblebee voice changer helmet, much like the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Optimus_Prime_Voice_Changer|Optimus Prime helmet from 2007]], is a detailed helmet designed to... uhh... change your voice. Oh! And to make your head look like a highly detailed, and movie accurate replicate of Bumblebee. The helmet is nearly fully enclosed around the head, unlike the Prime helmet, and is adjustable so it can be sized to fit adults and children. The helmet is really, really yellow.

:The helmet features three different buttons, the ''voice mixer'', ''battle phrases'' and ''conversion sounds'' buttons.

:The ''voice mixer'' button makes the helmet modulate your voice and play wicked beats at the same time so you can get down with your bad self. The ''battle phrases'' are meant to sound like random radio mixing, but really sound like a couple of guys in a studio yelling at a microphone with silly voices. Enjoy fun phrases like, "You are no match for my new kung fu!" in a delightfully bad Chop Socky voice! However, there are at least a few radio voice clips from the actual movie. The ''conversion sounds'' button plays the transforming sound, or if you hold the button down plays the transforming sound as if it were being remixed live by a DJ on a turntable. Okay, y'know... like with a baby scratch or a backwards loop or something.

:The helmet has three play modes. There's ''demo'', ''on'' and the parents' favourite, ''off''. The helmet comes packaged in the ''demo'' mode with a ''switch retainer'' to keep it there. You'll need to take that sucker off to put him in the all important ''on'' mode. But don't throw it out! It's a really pretty red.

:In order to avoid language barriers, the European version doesn't play battle phrases. However, later releases did feature voiceclips.

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[[Image:ROTF Bumblebee PlasmaCannon.jpg|right|250px|thumb| FIGHTING TO SAVE THE WORLD!]]
*'''Bumblebee Plasma Cannon''' (2009)
: The Plasma Cannon is a stylized version of Bumblebee's fist that converts to a plasma cannon roleplay toy when the barrel is slid forward or the trigger is pulled. When fired, a ring of red lights around the barrel flashes (totally awesome). If the trigger is only pulled half-way, a "charging" sound is made. There is also an Autobot sigil on the side that, when pressed, causes sound effects to be heard. These include conversion noises, a revving engine, and clips from [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]" (also awesome, but only in the "Try Me" setting, which is not quite as awesome).

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====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Bumblebee_vs_Barricade.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee VS Barricade''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 08'''

: Bumblebee's first ''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' is a "Mini-Vehicle"—a small, non-transforming car with his robot mode sculpted underneath. This version of Bumblebee is his 1970's Camaro form, complete with painted dirt. He was only available in a two-pack with [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Commander_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Commander Series'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 04'''

: This Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle depicts his Concept Camaro form, and the sculpted robot mode underneath has its battle mask down.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Speed_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Speed Series'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 04'''

: The third Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle depicts the Super Sport version seen in the second film, his face is Bumblebee without his battle mask. It also uses different [[paint application]]s, such as new stripes and an Autobot insignia on its roof.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RC_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|We'd make another caption about his shoulders hurting but three's a crowd]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Radio Control'''

: Radio Control Bumblebee is, as you might have guessed, an remote-control car (depicting his Concept Camaro form). Like the Mini-Vehicles, he does not transform, although his dual-joystick controller is shaped like his robot mode. Batteries (of Hasbro's own [[Powrfuel]] brand) were included for the controller, but not for the car.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Lights and Sounds'''

: "Lights and Sounds" Bumblebee is a cutesified car with flashing headlights and playing sounds, and like the Mini-Vehicles, features a sculpted robot mode on its underside. The sounds include racing sounds and various phrases in Bumblebee's radio-mashup manner of speaking, and play either when you press the Autobot insignia on his hood or zoom him around on his wheels.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

:This tiny radio-controlled [[Robo-Q]] Bumblebee figure can be charged by directly plugging him into the back of the controller unit, and on a full charge he can waddle around a flat surface. The figure features lights while the controller has sounds.

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====Transformers Digital Watch====
[[Image:ROTF_Bumblebeedigitalwatch.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee Digital Watch''' (2009)

:Made by [[Fab Starpoint]], this Bumblebee-themed digital watch has a nylon velcro strap with a rubber pull tab, a plastic case and chrome bezel, and an LCD display on the face.
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====Transformers Wacky Wobblers====
[[Image:WackyWobblers_ROTFBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

: This Bumblebee [[wikipedia:Bobblehead|bobblehead]] is part of the popular ''[[Wacky Wobblers]]'' line produced by [[wikipedia:Funko|Funko]]. Naturally, has a big ol' wobbly head but not much else. His design is very accurate, and he is permanently fixed to a base bearing his name.

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====Basic Fun====
*'''Articulated keychain''' (2009)

: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Bumblebee's robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.

*'''Slide Puzzle''' (2009)
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*'''Mini Figural Clip-Ons''' (2009)
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====Burger King====
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|You will press the button over and over just to make the Noise.]]
*'''Change-Up Bumblebee''' (2009)
:This [[Burger King]] toy is a representation of Bumblebee's concept Camaro vehicle form; though Bumblebee's four wheels are molded in, he has three extra wheels underneath to provide the ability to roll out. Pressing a button on his roof will play a sound clip of the [[Transformation#The_noise|G1 transformation sound effect]] and a small projectile will be launched from his front grill. The projectile has a sticker showing his robot mode on it. Flicking a switch on Bumblebee's underside will silence the sound chip, so the button will only launch the projectile.

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====Cars====
*'''Chevrolet Camaro Bumblebee Edition''' (2009)

:Starting [[June 1]], 2009, [[General Motors|Chevrolet]] began taking orders for the Bumblebee Edition package for the 2009/2010 Chevy Camaro. The package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color with black "Bumblebee" stripes and "Transformers" badging on the wheel center caps, sill plates and embroidered console lid. The packaging is available for Camaro LT and SS models.

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====Figure Collection====
[[Image:ROTF-Merchandise Figure Collection Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Stand
:The [[Figure Collection]] edition of Bumblebee depicts him in his concept Camero form, with his cannon deployed on his right arm.

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====McDonald's====
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*'''Bumblebee''' (Happy Meal, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' missile

Part of the 2010 [[McDonald's]] Revenge of the Fallen promotion, Bumblebee does not transform but fires a projectile instead. Bumblebee features blue [[light-piping]], an unexpected feature for a fast food promotional toy, and features two points of articulation. He was only available during week 3 of the promotion, and came with an instruction sheet that doubles as an ad for [[McWorld]], featuring an exclusive code for the website.

====KLIK====
*'''Bumblebee''' (KLIK candy dispencer, 2009)

This KLIK candy dispencer, made by Au'some inc., features Bumblebee's head on top. When you pull back a lever, it springs forward and launches the candy into your mouth, similar to PEZ.
'''''CAUTION''''': Do ''not'' aim at face.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Movie RobotHeroes BumblebeevsBarricade.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Back off man! I've got a gun!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade''' (2007)

:The first ''Robot Heroes'' Bumblebee is based on his Camaro Concept body. It's also just about the only fiction-accurate RH pack ever made.....

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[[Image:Rhstarbee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bee's gonna pull it away when Screamer runs up to kick it.]]
*'''Armored Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2007)

:This version of ''Robot Heroes'' Bumblebee has his battle mask flipped down, posed holding the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] cube as if he is warding away Decepticon aggressors.

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[[Image:RH Movie Bumblebee Starscream.jpg|right|250px|thumb|FINALLY! I have solved this accursed Rubik's Cube!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2008)

:This version of Bumblebee is posed based upon the scene in the movie where he activates and transforms the All Spark cube.

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[[Image:RobotHeroes_BumblebeeLongHaul.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]
*'''Bumblebee and Long Haul''' (2009)

:For the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' portion of ''Robot Heroes'', Bumblebee got a new crouching mold and was packaged with [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]].

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[[Image:RobotHeroes_BattlefortheAllspark.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Is he...melting?]]
*'''Battle for the AllSpark''' (2009)

:Packaged in a set depicting the battle in [[Mission City]] with [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], plus new figures of Sam Witwicky, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] in fighter mode and Optimus Prime in vehicle mode, this is the first Bumblebee Robot Heroes figurine in vehicle mode.

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===Mighty Muggs===
[[Image:MightyMuggs_MovieBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' Doors

: This [[super-deformed]], non-transformable Bumblebee figure uses the standard [[Mighty Muggs]] body template, with swivel joints in his neck and arms. What sets him apart from other Muggs (except [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Mighty Muggs|Starscream]]) is his detachable door-wings. Like the rest of his wave, Bumblebee was an exclusive at Diamond Distributors and [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.

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===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:TF2010_Bumblebee_helmet.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Roleplay, 2010)

:A simple plastic mask based on Bumblebee's face. Does not provide protection!

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===SpeedStars===
====Mini-Vehicles====
[[Image:SpeedStars_MetalHeroes_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Metal Heroes'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 08'''

: This is one of the many redecoes of the RPM Speed Series Bumblebee mold with less paint details. Like all toys in the ''[[SpeedStars]]'' line, Bumblebee's Autobot insignia on the base of his vehicle mode has not been included.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_CyberHunt_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Cyber Hunt'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 04'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee painting the back half of the car silver and adding cyberglyphics and other details.

: The back of Cyber Hunt Bumblebee's packaging shows another upcoming Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle in the Cyber Hunt line... but this toy does not appear among the Cyber Hunt series on a poster on the ''Speed Stars'' website. It remains to be seen what's up with that.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_NEST_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''N.E.S.T. Global Alliance'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 03'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with different stripes and [[NEST]] logos on his doors.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_Stunticon_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Stunticon'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 03'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with a single stripe and an Autobot logo on his hood, a paintjob based on the Legends class [[#Transformers (2010)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]] toy.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_DoubleSiders_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010?)
**''Series:'' '''Double Siders'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 03'''

: "Double Siders" Bumblebee is named such because of his new mold which features huge tires, allowing him to roll upside-down.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_Revealers_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Revealers'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 03'''

: "Revealers" Bumblebee is sculpted with various robot-mode parts protruding from his car mode, as if he's in mid-transformation.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_RoadAssault_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Road Assault'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 04'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with his name and robot mode silhouette on the doors.

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[[Image:SpeedStars_RobotRiders_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|That's... that's not his ''penis'', is it?]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010?)
**''Series:'' '''Robot Riders'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 03'''

: Unlike all other ''SpeedStars'' Bumblebees, this one is sculpted in his robot mode. He's in a kneeling position with his gun in front of him, and can roll back and forth due to wheels under his legs.

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[[Image:Speedstars battleseries nightwatchbumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Nightwatch Bumblebee VS Patrol Barricade''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series 2'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 06'''

: For the second series of two-packs, the Speed Series Bumblebee mold was redecoed in the common "inverted" color scheme of yellow on black. Aside from the regular yellow hubcaps that are common with this deco, Nightwatch Bumblebee has huge Autobot insignias covering the sides of the car. He was again packaged with Barricade, now redecoed blue. Like all toys in the SpeedStars line, Bumblebee's Autobot insignia on the base of his vehicle mode has not been included, despite what the package art depicts.

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*'''Bumblebee Track Set''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Bumblebee car
:The Bumblebee Track Set features a [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] figure for Bumblebee to smash into pieces. The Bumblebee included is a redeco of RPM Metal Heroes Bumblebee and features no paint applications on the "robot mode" on the underside of the car and has "Bumblebee" written on the sides.

:[http://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/dad2613e1c4311ddbd0b0800200c9a66/45C7096619B9F3691067135C264C241F.pdf Bumblebee Track Set online instructions.]

====Lights & Sounds====
[[Image:SpeedStars_LightsSounds_BasicBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Basic, 2010)

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[[Image:SpeedStars_LightSounds_DeluxeBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)

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====Radio Control====
[[Image:SpeedStars_RadioControl_Bumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)

:This incarnation of remote controlled Bumblebee is a different mold from the RPM version, and has a more generic controller with a stock picture of Bumblebee's face on it. It uses the same controller and wheel molds as Radio Control [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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====Stealth Force====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_Bumblebee.jpg|250px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Basic, 2010)

:''Stealth Force'' Bumblebee is a non-transforming car with several hidden weapons throughout his frame. Pushing or pulling his rear bumper causes non-firing blasters to pop out of his hood, doors and fenders.

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==Notes==
[[Image:ROTF Legends Bumblebee HTS.jpg|thumb|200px|Are you calling me yellow? ... wait.]]
* A weapon considered for Bumblebee was a pair of arm-mounted electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stingers]]. The Bumblebee Camaro '09 toy's blade weapon might have been influenced by this early concept.
*Stock photos of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends-class Bumblebee toy show it in a much brighter shade of yellow plastic than it was released as. The reason for this change is unknown.
*Battle Blades Bumblebee is, so far, the most accurate transforming movie Bumblebee to date.

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]
* [http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series=40&f_name=bumblebee&f_t Bumblebee toy galleries at Seibertron.com]

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168.30.245.144: -hx at work, seriously, that 88 deco ALWAYS looked like the Team Banzai logo.

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'''[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]''' is the star of a [[Transformers (2007)|multi-million-dollar film]]. Ergo, he gets a lot of toys and merchandise!

==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemovielegends.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's not a fiesta with racing stripes... it's a fiesta OF racing stripes!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends Class, 2007)
**''Japanese name:'' '''EZ Collection Bumblebee'''

: Legends Bumblebee transforms into a yellow 1976 Chevrolet Camaro. Being a highly simplified toy of a highly complex design, Legends-class Bumblebee does not replicate the appearance of the robot mode very well, and has very limited articulation, detail and paint application. On the other hand, he's pocket-sized and inexpensive, perfect for the younger set. The toy has a sculpted rear window, but it's not painted like the other windows. instead, the racing stripes extend over them.

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*'''Optimus Prime bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

:A Costco exclusive special pack of Leader Class Optimus Prime with Legends Class Bumblebee and [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys is changed from their respective original releases.

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[[Image:Movie Allspark Legends pack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The classic G1 cast...plus Barricade.]]
*'''Battle for the Allspark''' (Toys'R'Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A Toys'R'Us exclusive, this six-pack of Legends class figures contains unmodified toys of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], Bumblebee, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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*'''Bumblebee Scanning Ver.''' (''Hyper Hobby'' magazine exclusive EZ Collection variant, 2007)

: A Japanese-exclusive version of the Legends Bumblebee toy, "scanning version" Bumblebee uses transparent plastics for his yellow parts. He was available as a mail-order item from ''Hyper Hobby'' magazine in September of 2007.

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[[Image:Melltallic Bumblebee.jpg|right|255px|thumb|You know you know you want me]]
*'''Metallic Bumblebee''' (Tsutaya Records exclusive EZ collection variant, 2007)

: This Japanese metallic repaint of Legends class Bumblebee is an exclusive included with purchase of the Movie DVD at Tsutaya Records.

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[[Image:Movie Legends Bumblebee Scorponok toys.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bee stings.]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Scorponok''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)

: As part of the ''AllSpark Battles'' Legends two-packs, a slightly redecoed Legends class Bumblebee, now sporting "battle damage" paint applications, comes with an all-new Legends [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] figure.

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemovietoydeluxe67.jpg|right|250px|thumb|These used cars are fully loaded!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Classic Camaro, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: The first Deluxe Class version of Movie Bumblebee transforms into a yellow [[wikipedia:Second-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro|1976 Chevrolet Camaro]] with a quite reasonable level of sculpted detail. In contrast to the other Deluxe-class car Transformers in the Movie toyline, he does not have clear windows, instead opting for opaque yellow plastic with painted metallic blue.

: Bumblebee is armed with two shoulder-mounted spring-loaded missile launchers (inspired by the shoulder-mounted missile launchers he uses to fight Brawl/Devastator in the movie), which also double as hand-held weapons or can be mounted on ports on the undersides of his elbows. His legs and chest [[Automorph]] during transformation.

: The initial release of the toy featured even tabs for the Automorph gimmick; oddly, Hasbro later decided to [[retool]] the feature so the tab would be uneven.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=29613 Original Allspark thread about the retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref> This resulted in many reported cases of the tab snapping during transformation. Press the button or you'll break him. Seriously. The retooled Automorph gimmick would be used for all subsequent versions of the mold, including the Japanese ones, and the breakage problem wouldn't be fixed until the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack and the Target exclusive "Evolution of a Hero" two-pack.

[[Image:Movie Deluxe 1974 Bumblebee JPtoy.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Never seen so much translucent plastic in all my life.]]
: Packaging photos and early [[Prototype|test shots]] of Hasbro's Bumblebee featured transparent blue plastic windows and missile parts. However, the final Hasbro production toy has opaque yellow plastic. The Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] release of Bumblebee retains the transparent blue plastic parts, with yellow paint for the outer car shell. As a consequence, the missiles, which are on the same sprue, are also made of clear blue plastic, just like the early prototype seen in the Hasbro stock photos for the toy. He also uses the retooled version of the mold with the fixed [[Automorph]] gimmick.

The packaging used for the Japanese toy is the same as for the Hasbro version, with the exception of additional stickers identifying it as a Japanese market release.

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[[Image:Bumblebee Barricade deluxeboxset.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Go ahead, make my day!"]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: This battle pack contains the 1976 Camaro deluxe-class Bumblebee and the deluxe-class [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]/[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] figures, based upon their confrontation as seen in the movie. The box features a diorama-style background from a movie scene, but the toys themselves are unchanged from their original carded releases.

: The set originally retailed for only slightly less than buying the two individual toys. However, for a short while, it was about the only way to ''get'' Bumblebee in the first place, thanks to the [[Movie (toyline)|toy drought]] following the movie's record-smashing opening.

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*'''Bumblebee Limited Metallic Color Version''' (Lawson exclusive Deluxe-sized Classic Camaro, TakaraTomy 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: A redeco of the Japanese version of the Classic Camaro Bumblebee mold (retaining the clear blue windows and missiles) that was exclusively available with the purchase of a ticket for the movie in Japanese Lawson stores.

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[[Image:Movie TowedtoSafety toys.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Sadly, All Spark Insurance doesn't cover towing charges.]]
*'''Towed to Safety''' (two-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles

: This set features an unaltered Deluxe class [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] figure and a Deluxe class 1976 Camaro Bumblebee figure. The window box features a diorama background of the battle in [[Mission City]] (basically the same packaging inner tray from the "Bumblebee vs. Barricade: First Encounter" pack). As is generally the case with the European releases of the Movie toys, the pictures on the front of the box show the robot-mode toys instead of an artist's depiction of their faces.

: For this two-pack, Hasbro slightly retooled Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick again, adding another small tab that finally resolved the breakage issues that had plagued the previous variation of the mold.<ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38149 Allspark thread about the second retool of Bumblebee's Automorph gimmick]</ref>

:Thus far, this pack has only been released in the United Kingdom.

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[[Image:Movie Deluxe 2009 Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Nu-uh! You don't want none of this!]]
*'''Bumblebee (Camaro Concept)''' (Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-10'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: The second Deluxe class Bumblebee toy, which shares no parts with the previous one (even the head, despite being based on the same general design, is a different sculpt), transforms into the [[wikipedia:Fifth-generation_Chevrolet_Camaro|concept vehicle for the 2009 Chevrolet Camaro]]. Maintaining the high standard for car accuracy in the movie line, Bumblebee is very faithful to the real-life vehicle, featuring clear blue windows in contrast to the opaque windows seen in both his previous Deluxe class toy and the Ultimate Bumblebee toy.

: Bumblebee features two [[Automorph|Automorphing]] gimmicks during transformation: ''(a)'' swinging his hood down into robot mode position also moves his arms up and ''(b)'', swinging his feet down will move the rear fenders up and behind his calves, as well as swinging the rear windows to his inner calves in a spring-loaded action. Unusually, this version of Bumblebee is much more accurate to the CGI design than either the older-model Deluxe OR the Ultimate figure, with the chest properly articulating in a fairly Movie-accurate manner. He's also slightly taller than most of the other Deluxe Class figures.

: Bumblebee features a superb range of articulation, with ball joints in his shoulders, neck, torso, wrists and upper legs, with ratcheting and swivels making up the remaining joints. Instead of the rather inaccurate missile launchers from the 1976 Camaro toy, '09 Bumblebee comes with a mostly accurate version of his plasma cannon as it appears in the movie, but for added play value, it can Automorph into an energy blade by opening up the halves of the gun barrel and swinging them back. The cannon can be held in either of his hands.

: Care should be taken when removing the cannon from Bumblebee's hands, as excessive force can damage the wrist ball joint socket.

: Contrary to popular opinion, the yellow pieces on the back of Bumblebee's feet are ''not'' supposed to be heel spurs, nor have they been mis-assembled. They are supposed to fold up to emulate the detail found on the CGI design.

: A running change version of this mold adds tabs to the hip panels, which makes the vehicle mode hold together better, as well as sculpted pupils inside Bumblebee's eyes.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=144325 TFW2005 thread about the retool for the second Deluxe Bumblebee toy]</ref> Initially this was believed to be a variant for the Japanese market; however, later shipments of the Hasbro toy featured those changes as well, as did all subsequent versions of the mold.

: This mold was also used to make "Allspark Power" [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee Evolutionofahero.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hey, look, Concept Camaro, now ''you're'' the piece o' crap.]]
*'''Evolution of a Hero''' (Target exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' 2 projectiles, Plasma cannon

: A Target exclusive, this figure multi-pack contains an unchanged Deluxe-class 1976 Bumblebee and an exclusive "battle damaged" 2009 Camaro Concept Bumblebee. Even though the 2009 figure is supposed to represent Bumblebee's damaged state as he appeared during the final battle in the movie, oddly enough the "damage" paint decos do not appear to extend to his legs, restricting themselves to his upper torso and car roof/door parts. Maybe they didn't bother because they thought you'd take them off like in the movie. Go figure.

:The Classic Camaro Bumblebee toy included in this package features the same "fixed" Automorph gimmick also found on the version included in the UK exclusive "Towed to Safety" two-pack. In addition, the Automorph button on the hood ''finally'' sports the painted pinstripes that had been missing on ''all'' previous releases of the mold.

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*'''Bumblebee and Optimus Prime''' (Argos exclusive two-pack, UK 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: A two-pack, exclusively available at Argos stores in the United Kingdom, which contains an unchanged Voyager-class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and an equally unchanged Deluxe-class Concept Camaro Bumblebee.

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[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles CaptureofBB.jpg|right|250px|thumb|You'll never take me alive!]]
*'''Capture of Bumblebee''' (Screen Battles diorama pack, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-04'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: This ''Screen Battles'' pack comes a [[Redeco|redecoed]] Camaro Concept Deluxe-class Bumblebee featuring a more accurate gray color scheme for his robot mode parts and a silver-painted face, Autobot symbol and toes. Additionally, a new red Autobot symbol is placed on his forehead, while his translucent parts are now a greener blue. The pack also comes with non-posable figurines of [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]] and two Sector Seven soldiers; one carrying a cryo-freezing cannon and one carrying a grenade launcher.

: This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the scene in which Bumblebee is captured by Sector Seven forces.

:According to details listed in an official checklist on Hasbro's website{{fact}}, this pack was originally supposed to feature "ice soldiers" (plural), in addition to an "S7 agent" and an "S7 soldier". Apparently budget ultimately only allowed for one. The grenade launcher-wielding S7 soldier also looks conspicuously like [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]] colored as a Sector Seven soldier (it's possible that the figure had originally been intended for the Screen Battles "Desert Attack" pack with [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]).

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[[Image:MovieTargetAllsparkDeluxeBumblebee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bumblebee just went neon. For Playskool, see the Cyber Slammers version.]]
*'''All Spark-Enhanced Bumblebee''' (Target Exclusive Deluxe, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: This Target exclusive features the Deluxe Class Bumblebee in unique cylindrical packaging, with the only difference from his standard release being that key robot mode parts are highlighted by the slavish 'All Spark Blue' color for no other reason than [[to sell toys]].

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[[Image:Movie Deluxe StealthBumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bumblebee, as he appears in [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Bizarro World]].]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

: Stealth Bumblebee is an extensive redeco and minor retool of the Deluxe class 2009 Camaro Bumblebee toy. The redeco itself is unusual in that the yellow parts are still cast in yellow plastic, but painted black. Other color differences include changing the robot mode body parts from black to gray and adding bright blue ''AllSpark Power'' decos.

:The head has also been retooled to reflect Bumblebee's 'battle mask' as seen in the Movie. The "mask" does not flip up to reveal his head. Bummer.

:Downloadable content for the [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360/PS3 version of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' game]] features this deco as an alternate skin for Bumblebee.

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[[Image:MovieDeluxePremiumBumblebee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' ("Premium Series" Deluxe Class Concept Camaro, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MA-22'''
**''Accessories:'' Plasma cannon

:This [[redeco]] of the Deluxe-class Concept Camaro toy features a similar deco as the Screen Battles version in terms of plastic colours, but replaces the head sculpt with the "battle mask" sculpt previously used for Stealth Bumblebee. All of his outer car body panels have been coated in a metallic yellow paint job.

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[[Image:WMTheLegacyOfBumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px|Featuring Whitebread Edition Bumblebee, Limey Edition Bumblebee, and ''Animated'' Edition Bumblebee. (What'd you '''think''' we were gonna say?)]]
*'''The Legacy of Bumblebee''' (Deluxe class multi-pack, 2008)

:A Walmart [[exclusive]] three pack, ''The Legacy of Bumblebee'' collector's set comes with [[Bumblebee (G1)|''Classics'']], Movie Deluxe Concept Camaro ([[Premium Series]]) and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] figures. While the ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' Bumblebees are identical to their original, single carded releases, the ''Classics'' Bumblebee has been redecoed to more closely resemble his ''Movie'' and ''Animated'' counterparts, changing his white stripes to black, and his grey/silver plastic to yellow, similarly to ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bumble.

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====Screen Battles====
[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles FinalStand1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Half a bee, philosophically/ Must, ipso facto, half not be./ But half the bee has got to be/ Vis-a-vis, its entity. D'you see?"]]
*'''Final Stand''' (Screen Battles, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-02'''

: This ''Screen Battles'' pack comes with an altered [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] toy and a posable, non-transforming, battle-damaged Bumblebee figure very similar to the ''Robot Replicas'' toy, yet surprisingly utilizing none of the same parts despite being on an identical scale. This set comes in a special window box featuring a diorama background of the battle in Mission City.

:Although entirely comprised of original sculpting, such as the gimpy leg-stumps, the Bumblebee figure oddly does not feature the character's distinctive car door "wings" on his back. However, keen [[Kitbashing|customisers]] can easily rectify this by slicing the "Robot Replicas" version's wings off and whittling their connecting plastic into simple posts that very handily plug into large holes in the tires on Final Stand 'Bee's back. In fact, these holes almost seem designed to accommodate a missing part. (Considering how all the other Screen Battles sets were apparently originally intended to feature more, or at least more elaborate, accessory figures based on their entries in an official checklist on Hasbro's website{{fact}}, this seems indeed very plausible.)

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:Ultimate Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|All those extras and they couldn't make me more accurate than the deluxe class toy.]]
*'''Ultimate Bumblebee''' (Ultimate, 2007)
**''Accessories:''

: Similar in appearance to the second Deluxe-class Bumblebee toy, albeit much larger and more complex, the 'Ultimate' version of Bumblebee also transforms into the 2009 concept Camaro. The toy features animatronic movement in robot mode (flapping wings, moving arms and a rotating head) and light-up eyes and headlights, activated by the movement or sounds made by the person playing with the toy, or by pressing his buttons, which also activate an obscene number of interactive electronic sound effects. Oddly enough, despite being mute for most of the movie, Bumblebee has a wide range of phrases (Which don't even sound like him). His chest button yields various phrases and a new version of the ''Transformers'' theme tune, while a button on his side produces blaster noises, more speech, and musical samples, including four different ones from Devo's "Whip It." This button also causes the toy to raise its cannon-arm and automatically fire a missile. Playing with the toy by moving it will make him repeat various phrases and samples activated by other features, as well as crashing battle noises, but when he is left idle, more unique phrases will be uttered inquiring where everyone has gone, as well as radio snippets to the same effect, before the toy eventually deactivates. Pressing any button will bring him back online with a cheerful shout.

: Transforming the toy between modes is accompanied by the classic transformation noise, and if left unattended between modes, it will make stalling engine noises, car horn and a car alarm sounds. Once in car mode, new electronics are unlocked, beginning with the sound of an engine starting up. The chest button now activates the car's horn, and rolling the figure along will create an accelerating noise that increases the faster the toy is moved. More unique musical snippets will play as the car rolls along; when the rolling stops, brake lights activate and the tires screech. Yet more sounds are produced when Bumblebee is rolled backwards, and the car mode also features different crashing battle noises to the robot mode.

: All of the toy's features can be turned off by a switch, and it has an additional "Try Me" mode which allows you to hear various sounds from the toy's various functions just by pressing the chest button.

: The toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure made the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block resting on Bumblebee's chest. In reality, it splits up into five separate pieces to fold and collapse into a more movie-like appearance.

: In the holiday season, Wal-Mart carried an exclusive "Bonus Buy" version of the toy, which had the Deluxe [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] toys added as freebies. Costco also carried an exclusive version, with the 3" [[Titanium Series]] version of Bumblebee packed in. However, it did not include the display stand.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee bonus pack''' (Costco exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:''

:A Costco-exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Titanium Series Bumblebee (see below) as a bonus figure. Neither toy is changed from its respective original release.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee Bonus Value pack''' (Wal*Mart exclusive multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:''

:A Wal*Mart-exclusive special pack of Ultimate Bumblebee with Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] as bonus figures. None of the three toys are changed from their respective original releases.

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviefab.jpg|right|250px|thumb| Fast and actiony.. you know, for the kids!]]
*'''Plasma Punch Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:[[Fast Action Battler|Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a considerably simpler transformation than the standard deluxe toy, intended for the slightly younger set. His main "gimmick" is a spring-loaded missile launcher in his right arm. As is also the case with Ultimate Bumblebee, the toy is mistransformed in the package, and all promo photos of the figure make the same mistake, presenting the car hood as a solid block. In reality, the chest/bumper consists of two rotating pieces which can pivot down so as to more accurately emulate the appearance in the movie.

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[[Image:FAB Rally Rocket BB.jpg|right|250px|thumb|It's Buckaroo Banzai! The latest issue!]]
*'''Rally Rocket Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:A [[repaint]] of Plasma Punch Bumblebee. It transforms from concept Camaro to robot with a simple transformation. The right arm is a spring loaded missile launcher. As is also the case with the original [[Fast Action Battlers]] Bumblebee, the hood is presented as a solid brick.

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====Cyber Slammers toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviecyberslammer.jpg|right|250px|thumb|A Battlecharger for the new millennium.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Classic Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)

: Cyber Slammers Bumblebee is an amazingly cute 1976 Camaro that transforms into an amazingly cute Autobot buddy of human characters. "Slam" his robot mode down into car mode and he rolls along for a while, then snaps back up into robot mode.

: This toy was also made available during the 2007 holiday season as a freebie "Bonus Buy" packaged with Cyber Stompin' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] at Wal-Mart stores.

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee CamaroConcept CyberSlammer.jpg|right|250px|thumb|And so, Bumblebee rejoins the Throttlebots.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Concept Camaro Cyber Slammer, 2007)

:The second [[Cyber Slammers]] Bumblebee figure toy transforms into a Concept Camaro and shares no parts with the previous Cyber Slammers Bumblebee figure. Like all Cyber Slammers, the toy features motorized action. When you push down on the car, it zooms forward, then pops up into robot mode! Sure to please the toddler you brought with you to the PG-13 movie. Like most Cyber Slammers, Bumblebee manages to cram most of his vehicle mode's major details into a compact, super-deformed version of that mode.

: This toy was later redecoed into [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]].

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====Trans-Scanning====
[[Image:Movie TranScanning Bumblebee toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|whY mY SHoUlDeRs hUrT?(Now I know how Hot Shot feels)]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TS-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand

: [[Trans-scan|Trans-scanning]] Bumblebee is a Japanese-exclusive figure with many interchangeable parts. At its most basic, the figure is a spindly skeleton referred to as a "Core Body". To this skeleton, two sets of armor pieces can be attached to create one of two forms for Bumblebee: his [[protoform]] mode or his Earth mode.

: The protoform mode consists of eight pieces of golden plastic that plug into the arms, chest, pelvis and legs of the figure. With these pieces attached, the figure can be manipulated in a manner that might charitably be called "transformation" into his meteor-like "entry mode," accomplished by doing little more than tucking the head out of sight and folding the chest back. This golden-and-grey lump can be mounted on a three-piece stand that comes with the figure, allowing you to display it in mid-plummet. Bumblebee's Earth mode, meanwhile, is made up of nineteen armor pieces (including a particularly large backpack) that form a rather [[Kibble|kibbly]] robot mode, which can then transform into a Camaro Concept.

: Bumblebee also includes a pair of interchangeable, open-palmed hands that can be swapped out for the clenched fists that are in place in-package. The Core Body mold was re-used for the simultaneously released Trans-Scanning [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] figure.

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====Cyber Stompin' robots====
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviecyberstompin.jpg|right|150px|thumb|These boots were made for—you know the rest.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyber Stompin' Robots, 2007)

: [[Cyber Stompin' Robots]] Bee is a large electronic action figure, featuring a rather cutified design. He's got electronic lights and sounds up the whazzoo and fires missiles and a fist. He totally plays the original theme song.

: Later in the year, Wal-Mart stores sold this toy as a "Bonus Buy" item, which came with a free Cyber Slammer [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] attached to the box back.

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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:Movie RobotReplica Bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Heli-pack not included]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2007)

: As part of the [[Robot Replicas]] sub-line, this version of concept-Camaro Bumblebee is a non-transforming action figure that hews very close to the movie's CGI model. It features joints similar to the [[Revoltech]] toys, plus his right forearm can be replaced with his blaster-arm (or any other arm attachments from other Robot Replicas, which could lead to some fun Frankensteins). For some reason, he's closer to orange than his normal yellow.

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====Micro IR Transformers Cars====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee MircroIR.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Drives and shoots!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

: Made by [[RadioShack]] under license from [[Hasbro]] and [[Dreamworks]]. The three-function infrared remote, in Bumblebee's signature colors, gives you control of the car with forward and reverse turn movement. More than just a car styled after the Movie character, the car also transforms to robot mode. The top of the gun-shaped IR remote's barrel serves as a display stand. The tip of the gun barrel can also be unscrewed, revealing a pen (!) inside.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Bumblebeemoviets3.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Special feature: Can't talk, just like the real Bumblebee!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Masters, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Movie-style Autobot sigil display stand

: This Bumblebee is a three-inch tall painted mini-statue of his 1976 Camaro body form. He features die-cast in his torso and thighs, and he has swivel joints at the shoulders, head and waist. Oh, and he comes with a Movie-style Autobot logo base to stand on.

: This item was also packed in with Ultimate Bumblebee as a Costco-exclusive set.

: This mold was later used to make ''Titanium Series'' [[Cliffjumper (Movie)#Titanium Series|Cliffjumper]] for ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.
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===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Legends Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Designed for the impulse buyer in all of us.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''EZ-03'''

:''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends class Bumblebee is based upon the updated Camaro Concept featured in the movie (unlike the 2007 Legends class Bumblebee which was based on the 1976 Camaro). Compared to the previous Movie Legends, he has better, more accurate detailing and proportions (or as accurate as can be obtained at this [[pricepoint]]).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_ReconBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Surely he will blend into the crowd with this look!]]
*'''Recon Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:Recon Bumblebee is a redeco of the regular Legends-class Bumblebee, featuring new details such as different stripes, a pattern on his doors and an Autobot insignia on his hood.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/LegReconBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Recon Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_StealthBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Hasbro isn't too creative with this type of thing...]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)

:Stealth Bumblebee is another redeco that inverts Bumblebee's colors, giving him yellow stripes on a black body.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy BumblebeeStealthJDVD.jpg|thumb|300px| The [[Exclusive| special edition]], only available in [[Japan]] one is LESS detailed?!]]
*'''EZ Collection Stealth Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:This black redeco of Legends class Bumblebee is available [[exclusive]]ly with standard ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' DVDs purchased at various stores in Japan. Its deco is similar, but not identical, to that of Hasbro's Stealth Bumblebee, using less-detailed car-mode stripes and less robot-mode deco.

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[[Image:ROTFDVD__Tsutaya_clearBumblebee.jpg|thumb|200px|Bumblepee]]
*'''EZ Collection Clear Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2009)

:Clear Bumblebee is made partly from translucent yellow plastic, but uses the same opaque black plastic and paint applications as the mass-retail Bumblebee. He is only available with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' DVDs purchased at Tsutaya stores in Japan, and only comes with the transforming Bumblebee DVD-case version.
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[[Image:ROTF-toy_Legends_2packBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|More Legends Bumblebee! MORE!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs Shadow Striker''' (Legends two-pack, 2010)

:The Bumblebee mold was given new paint applications for this two-pack with [[Shadow Striker (ROTF)|Shadow Striker]], such as [[cyberglyphics]] on his doors. The two-pack was exclusive to [[Target]] stores and eligible for the "[[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]]" promotion.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/TargetLegBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on two-pack Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Bumblebeerotfpreviewtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Yes, you're buying this mold again. Surprise!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-03'''
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Released as part of the preview series of figures for [[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen's toyline]] alongside [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], Bumblebee is a retool of the Camaro Concept Bumblebee mold, feature a new vehicle front end, hood and wheels to reflect the changes to the prop vehicle used in the movie; and in robot mode has a new, more accurate headsculpt. His right arm has been retooled to accommodate a built-in spring-loaded plasma cannon, replacing the converting plasma cannon/blade weapon from the previous version of this mold. Don't look at his eyes for too long, you'll have nightmares.

:Strangely, the missile for his right arm is slightly too long for the slot in the arm itself, so it either has to be slightly cut down to fit or the cannon must be swiveled outwards to accommodate the missile. (This has been fixed in later releases, such as the European market). Also, instead of having movie accurate gray colored "toe" sections on his feet like the later 2007 figures, his toes are ''painted'' yellow ...on top of yellow plastic. Oookay...

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-CannonBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|New from the ass up!]]
*'''Cannon Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-14'''

:This extensive retool of Bumblebee changes the entire upper half of the robot mode, and thus half of the car, to newly designed parts, including more articulated arms with open palms, less obstructive vehicle [[kibble]], a differently transforming chest, and two flip-out (non-firing) missile launcher racks behind his head. Only the legs remain unaltered from the original version of the mold. Interestingly, his arms can be detached and easily popped onto the original mold, resulting in a more [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] robot mode, though this sacrifices transformation. This extensive retooling results in a car interior with seats and a crude dashboard, but the windows are so opaque that these new details can't easily be seen. A variant with clear blue windows was released in later shipments.

:His "heels" are assembled backwards, which keeps them from being folded up against the back of the shins. Disappointingly, his chest cannot deform like the previous releases of this mold (or his Fast Action Battler, which still has a deforming chest).

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[[Image:ROTF_NEST_Battle_Pack_Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yeah, [[Fandom| we're]] going to get one of [[Redeco| these]] every few waves.]]
*'''Alliance Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-27'''
**''Accessories:'' Projectile

:Alliance Bumblebee is a [[redeco]] of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Preview Bumblebee. He now has several black thick black stripes across the hood and roof, stripes and [[NEST]] logos across the doors and side fender panels. He also has black arms, legs and torso to match this new colour scheme, instead of the more accurate grey colours seen in the previous release and Cannon Bumblebee. The yellow shoulder pieces are now pinned in place.

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[[Image:ROTFtoy-BumblebeeNESTAlliance.jpg|right|thumb|300px| Blame it on kids... [[Wal-Mart]]... [[Target]]... [[Hasbro]]... okay blame EVERYONE.]]
*'''Battlefield Bumblebee Vs. Infiltration Soundwave NEST set''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2009)

:A redeco and retool of Cannon Bumblebee with a new head featuring his battle mask, close to Stealth Bumblebee from the 2007 movie line. He was only available in a two-pack with a redecoed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]. Also included in the packaging is a "Mission Guide" catalog and ordering form for the mail-in exclusive [[Ravage (ROTF)|Recon Ravage]], a "starter sticker" for said ordering form, and a [[NEST Global Alliance]] iron-on patch. Two additional stickers from specially-marked NEST Global Alliance products and $4.95 shipping are required for the promotion. The promotion to get Recon Ravage was only available in North America, and Recon Ravage was available in most other markets at a retailer exclusive.

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:ROTF HumanAlliance Bumblebee%26Sam.jpg|right|300px|thumb|NOT a headmaster.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' / '''Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-21'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 Missiles

:Human Alliance Bumblebee comes with a posable figure of [[Sam Witwicky]] that can fit inside in Bumblebee's vehicle mode (plugging into his seat via a small hole in his back) and drive him. In robot mode, Bumblebee's vehicle-mode seats end up on his arms, and Sam can sit in either of them; the seat on Bumblebee's right has a headrest that can fold down to look slightly less conspicuous in robot mode, while the seat on Bumblebee's left arm features a pair of cannons which flip over Sam's shoulders, offering him some offensive hardware to protect his rather precarious position. Sam can also stand on a platform that flips out from the small of Bumblebee's back (again, via peg-holes on his feet), manning a small non-firing cannon that flips out over Bumblebee's right shoulder. Finally, Bumblebee's left palm also contains a peg, meaning Sam can securely stand or sit in his big buddy's hand. Bumblebee himself features a spring-loaded cannon for his left arm, which can fire the two missiles the figure comes with, a flip-out double-barreled silver cannon that points over his head, and a functional flip-down battle mask. Much like the rest of his Human Alliance brethren, Bumblebee is roughly the same size as an ''[[Alternators]]'' toy, being slightly taller than ''Alternators'' [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] in robot mode.

[[Image:Human Alliance Bumblebee Prototype.jpg|thumb|150px|left|Modders, vindicated by the prototype.]]
:There is a significant [[misassembly]] issue with Bumblebee: according to TakaraTomy's images of the resin [[prototype]] as well as Bumblebee's CG design, the retail toy's legs are on the wrong sides of his body, so the details on his legs are inverted. Since the instructions reflect this assembly, it's possible that this was [[design change|done on purpose]] because with the toy in its originally intended assembly, the waist section could be rather difficult to transform for children. The toy's originally intended assembly can still be [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/radicons-customs/243649-human-alliance-bumblebee-leg-mod.html easily achieved by disassembling his crotch and reassembling the legs backwards.] Once this is complete, Bumblebee will look the way he was intended to look, while adding some minor extra steps during transformation.

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:ROTF UltimateBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Now available in expensive.]]
*''' Ultimate Bumblebee Battle Charged''' (Ultimate, 2009)

:''Revenge of the Fallen's'' Ultimate Bumblebee is a retool of the 2007 version, with new rims, hood, front fenders. He also features a new, more accurate head sculpt with a battle mask. This time, his sound chip plays [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]".

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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Pulse_Blast_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| Faster and Actiony-er... you know, for the kids!]]
*'''Pulse Blast Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)

:Pulse Blast Bumblebee is a retool of 2007's Plasma Punch Bumblebee, with updated vehicle mode parts to reflect the changes in the prop Camaro vehicle, along with a new, more accurate head sculpt. Like the 2007's Plasma Punch photo, stock photographs by Hasbro neglect to tilt the car front fender panels.

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[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Sand_Attack_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| [[Anakin Skywalker| I hate sand... it's so coarse and rough.]]]]
*'''Sand Attack Bumblebee''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)

:Sand Attack Bumblebee is a redeco of Plasma Punch Bumblebee, not using the retooled parts of Pulse Blast Bumblebee. The deco itself consists of a sand-blasted-like camouflage pattern, or alternatively, a sand-worn appearance.

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====Gravity Bots====
[[Image:ROTF GravityBot Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px| The evolution of Jumpstarters!]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GB-02'''

:Plonk him down. Lift him up. Plonk him down. Lift him up. This addictive toy transforms automatically when stood up (vehicle to robot), or placed on his back (robot to vehicle). A switch underneath his feet or his car mode releases the transformation -- so the toy can be played with in relatively stable modes if held in the air, or just rolling along the ground.

:Because gravity is the powering force in the transformation there's no motors to wear out or batteries to use up when playing with the toy. Which is good, because you will be transforming him no less than nine million times.

:Bumblebee features dumpy proportions and low movie accuracy (no door wings here), forced upon the toy to accommodate the [[Gravity Bot]]s transformation gimmick. His robot mode has no articulation, not even head. But at least he has big feet! Or legs... or whatever the heck they are. Stump? At least he has a big stump.
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[[Image:ROTF_GravityBots_BoltBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|Hasbro, once again showing their uncreativity.]]
*'''Bolt Bumblebee''' (Gravity Bot, 2009)

: A [[redeco]] of Gravity Bots Bumblebee in a predominantly black colour scheme that recalls 2008's Stealth Bumblebee redeco of the Deluxe class Bumblebee toy.

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====Battle Chargers====
[[Image:ROTF Battle Chargers Bumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You know, you shouldn't think too hard about this.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:Part of the [[Robot Powered Machines]] subline, Battle Charger Bumblebee is a [[super-deformed]] Concept Camaro with a [[pull-back motor]]. When pulled back and let go, the car's roof flips open and Bumblebee's equally cutesified robot mode pops out.

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[[Image:ROTF_BattleChargers_StealthBumblebee.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Or this. Bumblebee giving birth to himself can wreck your mind.]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Battle Charger, 2009)

:A redeco of Battle Charger Bumblebee in yellow-on-black. Again.
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====Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF PowerBots Bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Hello, I'm Bumblebee, and my shoulders hurt.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2009)

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====Robot Replicas====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RobotReplicas_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px| Bumblebee played around with [[Nucleon]] in high school.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Robot Replicas, 2009)

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Legends_Cyberfire_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Impulse Buying Evolved.]]
*'''Cyberfire Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2010)

: This redeco of Legends class ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Bumblebee features a paint deco inspired by ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy Deluxe Battle Blade Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| About freaking time, Hasbro.]]
*'''Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-02'''

:This entirely new Deluxe class Bumblebee features a much more accurate sculpt in robot mode compared to previous versions of Deluxe class Camaro Concept Bumblebee, with the transformation scheme taking many cues from ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Human Alliance Bumblebee, scaled down to Deluxe size, while using an [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] design for the leg transformation directly based on the original Deluxe Class Concept Camaro Bumblebee. Despite the very similar looks, Battle Blade Bumblebee uses no parts from previous toys, everything about him is an entirely new sculpt.

:His right hand can be switched out for his cannon by opening the arm guard, flipping out the cannon barrel, folding away the right hand and folding the cannon over to the wrist. Due to how the parts were distributed on the plastic sprues during production, the cannon barrel is yellow rather than grey. The left arm-guard has a flip-out axe made of blue plastic, representing the axe weapon Bumblebee uses in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' video games]], which itself is possibly based upon the electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stinger]] that was once considered as a melee weapon for Bumblebee in the first movie. The axe is spring-loaded, activated by a button on his arm-guard. This version of Movie Bumblebee also features a flip-down battle mask, very similar to Human Alliance Bumblebee. In other words, pure premium awesome-sauce.

:Stock photos show that the axe was originally made in such a way that the blade was mounted on a rod and could be rotated downwards, but this was changed entirely for unknown reasons (possibly fragility).

:The Japanese ''Autobot Alliance'' release features marginally darker yellow plastic and paint.

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*'''Special Edition Battle Blade Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)

:As part of their "Transformers 'Fan of the Year' Competition" at the Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong (ACGHK) material-entertainment fair 2010, Hasbro Hong Kong offered a one-of-a-kind [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] Battle Blade Bumblebee for whomever happened to spend the most money purchasing Transformers products at Hasbro's booth over the course of the fair. The figure is presented in a wood and perspex display case.

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*'''Crash Landing Attack''' (Target exclusive 2-pack, 2010)

:A [[redeco]] of the first Revenge of the Fallen deluxe Bumblebee, this version is fluorescent yellow and blue. The car doors and hood feature a new deco of overlaid black and silver streaks, as well as a solid black stripe down the middle with a large silver Autobot symbol at the front. It is packaged with a redeco of [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]]. It is also [[Generation 2 (franchise)|G2-a-licious]].

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*'''Bombing Run Battle''' (Walmart Exclusive 2-pack, 2010)
[[Image:WMBombRunBattleBumblebeeGrindor.jpg|thumb|250px|Hasbro, you tease. Give us a [[Wasp]]!]]
:A redeco of Cannon Bumblebee in a brighter yellow with dark pine green replacing the former toy's metallic teal. The windows are cast in transparent green plastic with green trim and the outsides of his arms are also painted green. Additionally, there is a green stripe running across and between the fenders on each side with green accents on the face and helmet as well. The face has been painted silver and lacks the pupils of the previous deco. His thumbs are now black and the tailpipes have been painted gunmetal. The tiny Autobot symbol by the driver's side door has been replaced with a larger white one on the right rear window. He came packaged with a Legends [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] redeco.

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*'''Rampage Among The Ruins''' (Toys "R" Us Exclusive 3-pack, 2010)

:Essentially a redeco of "Bombing Run Battle" Bumblebee (using the same shade of yellow plastic) but using the head of the NEST 2-pack Bumblebee head. All of the green parts have been replaced with a chocolate brown including the tires with brown stripes over his eyes which run across the top of his battle helmet. The thumbs and insides of his upper arms are also painted brown. The windows are clear and untinted. He has a brown "wash" over his lower arms and on his doors probably to simulate caked on dirt or mud. There are also silver "scratches" on both doors as well as the driver's side of the hood. He has a tiny black-on-white Autobot symbol on his lower abdomen. Unlike previous versions of this mold, the rear lights, tailpipes, and lower front headlights are unpainted.

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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:TF2010 Human Alliance Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px| The Evolution of Repacking!]]
*'''Bumblebee w/ Sam Witwicky''' (Human Alliance, 2010)
: A slight redeco of the first Human Alliance Bumblebee in new gold ''Transformers'' packaging. Bumblebee now has green eyes while Sam is a new mold with a white shirt and a teeny tiny head.

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====Battle Ops====
[[Image:Battle_Ops_bumblebee_both.JPEG|right|thumb|300px| When Bumblebee has a toy as tall as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)| Prime]]... things are getting bad.]]
*'''Battle Ops Bumblebee''' (2010)

:Battle Ops Bumblebee is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two shoulder/hood missile launchers (non-functional).

:As revealed at the Hasbro designers panel at [[BotCon 2010]], an easter egg is hidden in Battle Ops Bumblebee's electronics: a button on one of the front wheels when pressed several times will play the first verse of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original ''Transformers'']] [[theme song]], and subsequent presses will play further verses.
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====Activators====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Activators_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Expect repaints... LOTS of repaints.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)

:''[[Activators]]'' Bumblebee is a small and simple toy with cutesified proportions. By pressing a button on his vehicle mode roof, he [[autotransformation|autotransforms]] into robot mode.

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[[Image:TF2010-toy_RallyRumbleBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|'''Many''' redecoes.]]
*'''Rally Rumble Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Activators'' Bumblebee with a black hood and rally-themed markings. His yellow plastic is distinctly... ''yellower'' than his usual orangey yellow color.

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====Power Bots====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_PowerBots_StealthBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px| Can't we get a Cliffjumper for once [[Hasbro]]?]]
*'''Stealth Bumblebee''' (Power Bot, 2010)

:A redeco of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Power Bots Bumblebee in his recurring black "stealth" color scheme. It remains to be seen if his lights or sounds have been changed.

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===Masterpiece===
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' ''MPM-2''

:Masterpiece Movie Bumblebee is a redeco of Battle Ops Bumblebee. He is a large (roughly leader size) new mold with "guardian" and "warrior" robot modes, which changes weapons and sound effects. He has a flip down battle mask, a right arm that converts to a plasma cannon, and two shoulder/hood missile launchers (non-functional).

:Unlike the Hasbro version, he features a very extensive paint job including chromed rims, and features no yellow plastic despite his appearance. Instead all of his yellow parts are painted over gray plastic, to give it as close to a Movie like appearance as possible.

:Among other notable plastic color changes, the [[TakaraTomy]] version features a clear colorless left hand rather than clear blue like the Hasbro release.
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==Merchandise==
===3D Battle Card game===
[[Image:3DBattleCard_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''1'''

: Bumblebee is a 20-point "Rare" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]. Constructed of punch-out pieces from randomly packed plastic cards (two full robots per pack), he can be assembled into his car mode (model undetermined) or into a rather stumpy robot mode. One of his blaster-weapons is held in his right hand, the other can mount on either shoulder.

: He uses the same construction as [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]], [[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Generation 1 Prowl]].

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[[Image:3DBattleCard_ProtoformBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
*'''Protoform Bumblebee''' (3D Battle-Card, 2007)
**''Card number'': '''10'''

: Protoform Bumblebee is a 27-point "Uncommon" piece in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]].

: He uses the same construction as protoform [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]].

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===Transformers (2007)===
====Lunchables====
* '''Bumblebee''' ("Pocket Transformers" toy prize, 2007)

: A fold-out "pseudo-figure" of Bumblebee "transforms" from a flat, yellow plateform decorated with the Autobot symbol and the word "Transformers" to a robot by folding out. Bumblebee is represented by stickers decorated with artwork of the character on the top, bottom, and two fold out "arms". His name is also spelled out, across his feet in this mode.

: This mold was also used to creatre the lunchables figure for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. A similar mold was used to creature the Lunchables figure for [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], though with the Decepticon symbol sculpted in instead of the Autobot one. Each itiration of this mold was made with a different color of plastic.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/LunchBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Lunchables Blackout at TFU.info]''

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*'''Transformers Gummy Candy''' (2006)

:Made by the [[Frankford Candy & Chocolate Company]] at the behest of [[Hasbro]]'s Cap Candy Company unit, this large Bumblebee-shaped [[Transformers Gummy Candy|gummy candy]] was available throughout 2006 to 2007. Also available was an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]-shaped gummy candies.

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[[Image:Mov-toy BeatmixBumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"Dance my puppet, DANCE! MAW HA HA HA HA HA!!!"]]
*'''Beatmix Bumblebee''' (2007)

: ''Beatmix'' Bumblebee is a device that hooks up to a music device, similarly to an ''iDog''. Like the aforementioned product, ''Beatmix'' Bumblebee reacts to the music being played (outputted via a speaker within him). With a touch, he can also sample the owner's music tracks and replay them with sound effects from the movie. His arms are posable, but Bumblebee cannot transform.

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[[Image:Movie Bumblebee Allsparkblaster.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Well, that's original.]]
*'''Bumblebee AllSpark Blaster''' (2008)

:The Bumblebee AllSpark Blaster is one of several Movie Roleplay toys. The toy consists of a a blaster attached to Bumblebee's (hollow) hand which a child can slip their own hand inside like a glove and wield. Pulling the trigger causes the toy to emit transformation sounds, allowing the user to transform the toy weapon from laser blaster mode to plasma cannon mode, by pulling the handle on the back. Laser blaster mode features laser pulse sounds and a "laser flare beam" (lights), while the plasma cannon mode has "plasma pulse lights" and explosion sounds.

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*'''Transformers car air freshener''' (2007)

: A faithful replica of the "Bee-Otch" air freshener dangling from Bumblebee's rear-view mirror, with cinnamon scent. It was given out by the handful at [[BotCon 2007]]. Supposedly it was also available at retail, but no reliable sightings have been reported.

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*'''TRANSFORMERS Chess Set''' (2007)

: Two identical bronze-colored plastic statues of Bumblebee serve as the [[Chess]] set's Autobot-side knights.

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====Unleashed====
[[Image:Unleashed movie bumblebee.jpg|right|150px|thumb|What are YOU lookin' at?]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

:''[[Unleashed]]'' Bumblebee is a sculpture of Bumblebee in his Camaro Concept body, in an action pose, standing atop the wrecked remains of a somewhat super-deformed car. Like most of the other products in the ''Unleashed'' line, he became a notorious [[shelfwarmer]].

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====XMODS====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee XMODS.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Transforms from vehicle mode to modified vehicle!]]
*'''XMODS® Evolution Transformers Bumblebee''' (2007)
**''Model Number'': '''60-186'''

[[Image:Movie Bumblebee XMODS Weapons.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Bumblebee is now more battle ready than Ironhide...I think.]]
: Bumblebee, in his Camaro Concept form, is one of the first Transformers characters to be licensed by [[RadioShack]] from [[Hasbro]] and [[Dreamworks]] for their XMODS Evolution line of radio control cars. "The maximum in modification", Bumblebee is a base kit that can be upgraded with a '''Evolution Weapons and Light Kit for Bumblebee''' (''Model Number'': '''60-191'''), which adds two racks of missiles to his doors, his plasma cannon onto the hood, as well as LED red taillights and white headlights. Bumblebee is also compatible with any of the optional motor upgrades, body kits, steering and suspension upgrades, and more available for the brand.

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====ZipZaps====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee ZipZaps.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A long stream of urine, disguised as radio wire]]
*'''ZipZaps® Micro RC Starter Kit 1.0 Transformers® Bumblebee™''' (2007)
**''Model Number'': '''60-180'''

: Bumblebee is also one of the first Transformers characters licensed by RadioShack for their ZipZaps line of pocket-size radio control cars. As a ZipZap, Bumblebee can be customized, trimmed, and tuned with any other accessories available for the brand. He has working headlights and requires four "AAA" batteries for the charger.

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====XKites====
[[Image:Movie_XKites_Bumblebee_SkyDelta42.jpg|thumb|200px| Flying through the sky so fancy free...]]
*'''SkyDelta 42 Transformers Kite''' (2007)

:[[XKites]] made several poly delta kites with stock images of ''Transformers'' characters printed on them. This model had a 42" wingspan and a fibreglass airframe, and featured an image of Bumblebee.
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====Basic Fun====
*'''Keychain''' (2007)

: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Bumblebee's robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.

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====Transformers Movie Danglers====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee dangler.jpg|right|173px|thumb| Things don't get much weirder than this... [[Kiss Players (franchise)| OH WAIT...]] ]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2007)

:Released by [[Tomy Yujin]] in November 2007 <ref name="TomyYujin">[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref> as part of the [[Danglers Collection]], this toy is a weird plastic [[super-deformed]] version of Bumblebee that poops out his vehicle mode when you squeeze him. This little figurine has a little strap on it so that it can be put on cell phones or portable gaming devices.

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====Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners====
[[Image:Movie Bumblebee screencleaner.jpg|right|104px|thumb| [[Frenzy (Movie)| He]] cleans his screen with these.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2008)

:Released by Tomy Yujin on January 2008<ref name="TomyYujin">[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref>, this dangler is a faction logo-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone, with a stock image of Bumblebee printed on the other side.

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===Revenge of the Fallen===
*'''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Bubble Bath''' (2009)

: ''Revenge of the Fallen''-branded bubble bath was released on March 2009. The generic bottle features a stock image of Bumblebee.
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===='''Bumblebee Voice Changer'''====

[[Image:ROTF Bumblebee VoiceChanger.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A Voice Changer Helmet for a character who has no voice and talks through the radio.]]

*''Parts:'' Antennas(l+r), Side pieces (l+r), Helmet top, Adjustable straps (pre-installed), Battery cover (pre-installed), Switch retainer (red!), AAA batteries (3), Helmet.
:The Bumblebee voice changer helmet, much like the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Optimus_Prime_Voice_Changer|Optimus Prime helmet from 2007]], is a detailed helmet designed to... uhh... change your voice. Oh! And to make your head look like a highly detailed, and movie accurate replicate of Bumblebee. The helmet is nearly fully enclosed around the head, unlike the Prime helmet, and is adjustable so it can be sized to fit adults and children. The helmet is really, really yellow.

:The helmet features three different buttons, the ''voice mixer'', ''battle phrases'' and ''conversion sounds'' buttons.

:The ''voice mixer'' button makes the helmet modulate your voice and play wicked beats at the same time so you can get down with your bad self. The ''battle phrases'' are meant to sound like random radio mixing, but really sound like a couple of guys in a studio yelling at a microphone with silly voices. Enjoy fun phrases like, "You are no match for my new kung fu!" in a delightfully bad Chop Socky voice! However, there are at least a few radio voice clips from the actual movie. The ''conversion sounds'' button plays the transforming sound, or if you hold the button down plays the transforming sound as if it were being remixed live by a DJ on a turntable. Okay, y'know... like with a baby scratch or a backwards loop or something.

:The helmet has three play modes. There's ''demo'', ''on'' and the parents' favourite, ''off''. The helmet comes packaged in the ''demo'' mode with a ''switch retainer'' to keep it there. You'll need to take that sucker off to put him in the all important ''on'' mode. But don't throw it out! It's a really pretty red.

:In order to avoid language barriers, the European version doesn't play battle phrases. However, later releases did feature voiceclips.

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[[Image:ROTF Bumblebee PlasmaCannon.jpg|right|250px|thumb| FIGHTING TO SAVE THE WORLD!]]
*'''Bumblebee Plasma Cannon''' (2009)
: The Plasma Cannon is a stylized version of Bumblebee's fist that converts to a plasma cannon roleplay toy when the barrel is slid forward or the trigger is pulled. When fired, a ring of red lights around the barrel flashes (totally awesome). If the trigger is only pulled half-way, a "charging" sound is made. There is also an Autobot sigil on the side that, when pressed, causes sound effects to be heard. These include conversion noises, a revving engine, and clips from [[Stan Bush]]'s "[[The Touch]]" (also awesome, but only in the "Try Me" setting, which is not quite as awesome).

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====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Bumblebee_vs_Barricade.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee VS Barricade''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 08'''

: Bumblebee's first ''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' is a "Mini-Vehicle"—a small, non-transforming car with his robot mode sculpted underneath. This version of Bumblebee is his 1970's Camaro form, complete with painted dirt. He was only available in a two-pack with [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Commander_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Commander Series'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 04'''

: This Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle depicts his Concept Camaro form, and the sculpted robot mode underneath has its battle mask down.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_Speed_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Speed Series'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 04'''

: The third Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle depicts the Super Sport version seen in the second film, his face is Bumblebee without his battle mask. It also uses different [[paint application]]s, such as new stripes and an Autobot insignia on its roof.

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[[Image:ROTF-toy_RC_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|We'd make another caption about his shoulders hurting but three's a crowd]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Radio Control'''

: Radio Control Bumblebee is, as you might have guessed, an remote-control car (depicting his Concept Camaro form). Like the Mini-Vehicles, he does not transform, although his dual-joystick controller is shaped like his robot mode. Batteries (of Hasbro's own [[Powrfuel]] brand) were included for the controller, but not for the car.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Lights and Sounds'''

: "Lights and Sounds" Bumblebee is a cutesified car with flashing headlights and playing sounds, and like the Mini-Vehicles, features a sculpted robot mode on its underside. The sounds include racing sounds and various phrases in Bumblebee's radio-mashup manner of speaking, and play either when you press the Autobot insignia on his hood or zoom him around on his wheels.

====Robo-Q Transformers====
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

:This tiny radio-controlled [[Robo-Q]] Bumblebee figure can be charged by directly plugging him into the back of the controller unit, and on a full charge he can waddle around a flat surface. The figure features lights while the controller has sounds.

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====Transformers Digital Watch====
[[Image:ROTF_Bumblebeedigitalwatch.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee Digital Watch''' (2009)

:Made by [[Fab Starpoint]], this Bumblebee-themed digital watch has a nylon velcro strap with a rubber pull tab, a plastic case and chrome bezel, and an LCD display on the face.
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====Transformers Wacky Wobblers====
[[Image:WackyWobblers_ROTFBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)

: This Bumblebee [[wikipedia:Bobblehead|bobblehead]] is part of the popular ''[[Wacky Wobblers]]'' line produced by [[wikipedia:Funko|Funko]]. Naturally, has a big ol' wobbly head but not much else. His design is very accurate, and he is permanently fixed to a base bearing his name.

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====Basic Fun====
*'''Articulated keychain''' (2009)

: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Bumblebee's robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.

*'''Slide Puzzle''' (2009)
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*'''Mini Figural Clip-Ons''' (2009)
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====Burger King====
[[Image:ROTFmerchandise-BurgerKingBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|You will press the button over and over just to make the Noise.]]
*'''Change-Up Bumblebee''' (2009)
:This [[Burger King]] toy is a representation of Bumblebee's concept Camaro vehicle form; though Bumblebee's four wheels are molded in, he has three extra wheels underneath to provide the ability to roll out. Pressing a button on his roof will play a sound clip of the [[Transformation#The_noise|G1 transformation sound effect]] and a small projectile will be launched from his front grill. The projectile has a sticker showing his robot mode on it. Flicking a switch on Bumblebee's underside will silence the sound chip, so the button will only launch the projectile.

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====Cars====
*'''Chevrolet Camaro Bumblebee Edition''' (2009)

:Starting [[June 1]], 2009, [[General Motors|Chevrolet]] began taking orders for the Bumblebee Edition package for the 2009/2010 Chevy Camaro. The package consists of Rally Yellow exterior color with black "Bumblebee" stripes and "Transformers" badging on the wheel center caps, sill plates and embroidered console lid. The packaging is available for Camaro LT and SS models.

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====Figure Collection====
[[Image:ROTF-Merchandise Figure Collection Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Stand
:The [[Figure Collection]] edition of Bumblebee depicts him in his concept Camero form, with his cannon deployed on his right arm.

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====McDonald's====
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*'''Bumblebee''' (Happy Meal, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' missile

Part of the 2010 [[McDonald's]] Revenge of the Fallen promotion, Bumblebee does not transform but fires a projectile instead. Bumblebee features blue [[light-piping]], an unexpected feature for a fast food promotional toy, and features two points of articulation. He was only available during week 3 of the promotion, and came with an instruction sheet that doubles as an ad for [[McWorld]], featuring an exclusive code for the website.

====KLIK====
*'''Bumblebee''' (KLIK candy dispencer, 2009)

This KLIK candy dispencer, made by Au'some inc., features Bumblebee's head on top. When you pull back a lever, it springs forward and launches the candy into your mouth, similar to PEZ.
'''''CAUTION''''': Do ''not'' aim at face.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Movie RobotHeroes BumblebeevsBarricade.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Back off man! I've got a gun!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Barricade''' (2007)

:The first ''Robot Heroes'' Bumblebee is based on his Camaro Concept body. It's also just about the only fiction-accurate RH pack ever made.....

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[[Image:Rhstarbee.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Bee's gonna pull it away when Screamer runs up to kick it.]]
*'''Armored Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2007)

:This version of ''Robot Heroes'' Bumblebee has his battle mask flipped down, posed holding the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] cube as if he is warding away Decepticon aggressors.

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[[Image:RH Movie Bumblebee Starscream.jpg|right|250px|thumb|FINALLY! I have solved this accursed Rubik's Cube!]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Starscream''' (2008)

:This version of Bumblebee is posed based upon the scene in the movie where he activates and transforms the All Spark cube.

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[[Image:RobotHeroes_BumblebeeLongHaul.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]
*'''Bumblebee and Long Haul''' (2009)

:For the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' portion of ''Robot Heroes'', Bumblebee got a new crouching mold and was packaged with [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]].

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[[Image:RobotHeroes_BattlefortheAllspark.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Is he...melting?]]
*'''Battle for the AllSpark''' (2009)

:Packaged in a set depicting the battle in [[Mission City]] with [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]], [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], plus new figures of Sam Witwicky, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] in fighter mode and Optimus Prime in vehicle mode, this is the first Bumblebee Robot Heroes figurine in vehicle mode.

{{-}}

===Mighty Muggs===
[[Image:MightyMuggs_MovieBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2009)
**''Accessories:'' Doors

: This [[super-deformed]], non-transformable Bumblebee figure uses the standard [[Mighty Muggs]] body template, with swivel joints in his neck and arms. What sets him apart from other Muggs (except [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Mighty Muggs|Starscream]]) is his detachable door-wings. Like the rest of his wave, Bumblebee was an exclusive at Diamond Distributors and [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.

{{-}}
===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:TF2010_Bumblebee_helmet.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Roleplay, 2010)

:A simple plastic mask based on Bumblebee's face. Does not provide protection!

{{-}}

===SpeedStars===
====Mini-Vehicles====
[[Image:SpeedStars_MetalHeroes_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Metal Heroes'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 08'''

: This is one of the many redecoes of the RPM Speed Series Bumblebee mold with less paint details. Like all toys in the ''[[SpeedStars]]'' line, Bumblebee's Autobot insignia on the base of his vehicle mode has not been included.

{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_CyberHunt_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Cyber Hunt'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 04'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee painting the back half of the car silver and adding cyberglyphics and other details.

: The back of Cyber Hunt Bumblebee's packaging shows another upcoming Bumblebee Mini-Vehicle in the Cyber Hunt line... but this toy does not appear among the Cyber Hunt series on a poster on the ''Speed Stars'' website. It remains to be seen what's up with that.

{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_NEST_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''N.E.S.T. Global Alliance'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 03'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with different stripes and [[NEST]] logos on his doors.

{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_Stunticon_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Stunticon'''
**''Number:'' '''01 of 03'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with a single stripe and an Autobot logo on his hood, a paintjob based on the Legends class [[#Transformers (2010)|Cyberfire Bumblebee]] toy.

{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_DoubleSiders_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010?)
**''Series:'' '''Double Siders'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 03'''

: "Double Siders" Bumblebee is named such because of his new mold which features huge tires, allowing him to roll upside-down.

{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_Revealers_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Revealers'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 03'''

: "Revealers" Bumblebee is sculpted with various robot-mode parts protruding from his car mode, as if he's in mid-transformation.

{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_RoadAssault_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Road Assault'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 04'''

: A redeco of Speed Series Bumblebee with his name and robot mode silhouette on the doors.

{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}
[[Image:SpeedStars_RobotRiders_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010?)
**''Series:'' '''Robot Riders'''
**''Number:'' '''0? of 03'''

: Unlike all other ''SpeedStars'' Bumblebees, this one is sculpted in his robot mode. He's in a kneeling position with his gun in front of him, and can roll back and forth due to wheels under his legs.

{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}
[[Image:Speedstars battleseries nightwatchbumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Nightwatch Bumblebee VS Patrol Barricade''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series 2'''
**''Number:'' '''02 of 06'''

: For the second series of two-packs, the Speed Series Bumblebee mold was redecoed in the common "inverted" color scheme of yellow on black. Aside from the regular yellow hubcaps that are common with this deco, Nightwatch Bumblebee has huge Autobot insignias covering the sides of the car. He was again packaged with Barricade, now redecoed blue. Like all toys in the SpeedStars line, Bumblebee's Autobot insignia on the base of his vehicle mode has not been included, despite what the package art depicts.

{{-}}
*'''Bumblebee Track Set''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Bumblebee car
:The Bumblebee Track Set features a [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] figure for Bumblebee to smash into pieces. The Bumblebee included is a redeco of RPM Metal Heroes Bumblebee and features no paint applications on the "robot mode" on the underside of the car and has "Bumblebee" written on the sides.

:[http://www.hasbro.com/common/documents/dad2613e1c4311ddbd0b0800200c9a66/45C7096619B9F3691067135C264C241F.pdf Bumblebee Track Set online instructions.]

====Lights & Sounds====
[[Image:SpeedStars_LightsSounds_BasicBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Basic, 2010)

{{charstubtoys}}
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[[Image:SpeedStars_LightSounds_DeluxeBumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2010)

{{charstubtoys}}
{{-}}

====Radio Control====
[[Image:SpeedStars_RadioControl_Bumblebee.jpg|300px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2010)

:This incarnation of remote controlled Bumblebee is a different mold from the RPM version, and has a more generic controller with a stock picture of Bumblebee's face on it. It uses the same controller and wheel molds as Radio Control [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].

{{-}}
====Stealth Force====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_Bumblebee.jpg|250px|thumb|right|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Basic, 2010)

:''Stealth Force'' Bumblebee is a non-transforming car with several hidden weapons throughout his frame. Pushing or pulling his rear bumper causes non-firing blasters to pop out of his hood, doors and fenders.

{{-}}

==Notes==
[[Image:ROTF Legends Bumblebee HTS.jpg|thumb|200px|Are you calling me yellow? ... wait.]]
* A weapon considered for Bumblebee was a pair of arm-mounted electrical [[Stinger (weapon)|stingers]]. The Bumblebee Camaro '09 toy's blade weapon might have been influenced by this early concept.
*Stock photos of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends-class Bumblebee toy show it in a much brighter shade of yellow plastic than it was released as. The reason for this change is unknown.
*Battle Blades Bumblebee is, so far, the most accurate transforming movie Bumblebee to date.

==References==
<references />

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]
* [http://www.seibertron.com/toys/index.php?f_series=40&f_name=bumblebee&f_t Bumblebee toy galleries at Seibertron.com]

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Talk:Inhumanoids

2011-02-14T15:55:43Z

168.30.245.144:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall them being mentioned by name...--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:13, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:I think we should treat it the same way we did [[My Little Pony]]. They aren't named in-fiction, but let's not be dense that it's them. '''--Spengs (at work, can't log in)'''
::Oh, I agree that it's them. I mean, you know it's them, I know it's them, Troop has come out and ''said'' that it's them, but we're left with much the same situation with the [[Narliphant]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:08, 8 December 2009 (EST)

== Major figures ==

Since Animated Almanac 2 lists this as part of G1 cannon with the other Sunbow shows, would a small expansion of the article be out of line? Nothing huge, just say a "Major Characters" section for the important featured characters, maybe a line description of each, and a "Series Overview" with say a paragraph summary of the series plot. That would still bring it in at under the size of our Go-Bot article but give us a bit more depth. Thoughts? --[[Special:Contributions/99.111.192.89|99.111.192.89]] 13:36, 12 November 2010 (EST)

==Shattered Glass==
IIRC, Trent or Sipher one addressed this on some message board or another - the Inhumanoids are plain ol' unrefined EEEEVIL, just like The Fallen. Their rottenness is a universal constant. [[Special:Contributions/168.30.245.144|168.30.245.144]] 10:55, 14 February 2011 (EST)

San Desto

2011-02-09T14:35:36Z

168.30.245.144: -hx at work

:''San Desto is a town on [[Earth]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

In [[California]] near the [[Mexico|Mexican border]] lies a small town of nine thousand citizens named '''San Desto'''. Whoever founded it was incredibly poor on judgement, since the area already had been home to [[Insecticon (G1)|a trio of Decepticons]] for millions of years, biding their time until they could further the invasion plans for [[Shockwave (G1)|their boss]] [[Cybertron (planet)|back home]]. [[Dreamwave timeline#Modern era|Up until modern day]], the three happily made use of the settlement as a place of hiding and a source of nourishment. With the time of the invasion's second phase approaching, the town's inhabitants additionally were deemed useful as [[Autobot]]-proof [[Cerebro-shell|zombie army]].

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity===
[[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] had been receiving reports about people and cattle gone missing in the general area of San Desto, the cattle turning up sometimes but only as dead as a mutilated corpse usually is. {{storylink|Extermination}} When so much as the entire population of San Desto went missing, EDC sent several of their units in for investigation in a matter of days. Predictably, all of them went missing too.

[[Image:Infestation San Desto sushi bar.jpg|left|350px|thumb|A sushi bar? My hometown had twice as many people and we barely had a Dairy Queen!]]
Just prior to its disappearance, one unit, Unit Bravo, had taken their search into the [[Aztec Theatres]], where [[Bombshell (G1)|the cause]] of the area's disturbances [[Cerebro-shell|caught]] them, though not before a warning could be sent back to EDC Headquarters. In response to this and external research that revealed the presence of a Cybertronian energy signature, EDC recruited some of the Autobots they had saved [[The Omega Effect|shortly before]] for a mission to eliminate the threat. Under command of [[Marissa Faireborn]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and under the cover of night, the composed team was dropped in front of a sushi bar, where they adhered to proper horror tradition by splitting up in three units to do more ground: [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] formed one unit, Jazz and Marissa another, and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] was put with the remaining [[EDC Night Force Unit|EDC soldiers]]. While the [[twin]]s went to explore the streets, Bumper's scanner brought his unit into the Aztec Theatres, where the blood-covered movie screen made for a grim contrast with the empty but immaculate outdoors. Jazz and Marissa found themselves in a similar situation at the hospital when screams coming from the Aztec Theatres drew all back. Outside the movie theater, two badly shaken members of Bumper's unit clarified that they had been attacked and that the others had all been taken away. Sunstreaker and Sideswipe chose to a head-on approach and went into the theaters, while the four remaining outside soon became the target of the hungry [[Insecticon clone|insect-like semi-robot army]]. {{storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}} Neither Marissa nor Jazz could prevent their teammates from being taken away, and were forced to take cover in a [[Crothers Auto-Body|garage]] nearby. There, they found the gruesome remains of the "Insecticons"' appetites: the missing livestock and humans. Putting this discovery and their individual bits of knowledge together, Marissa and Jazz figured out who they were dealing with and descended a tunnel they found in the back of the garage.

[[Image:Extermination San Desto zombie army.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The Village People are in another frame.]]
Prior, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe had followed the Aztec Theatres tunnel into the Insecticons' lair, which was filled with their "eggs" soon to hatch. The two Autobots were attacked and taken captive by the main trio, who had previously also captured but lost Bumper. When Jazz and Marissa arrived in the brood chamber a little later and began destroying the eggs, the Insecticons were forced to take out the invaders and thereby leave an opportunity for Bumper to free the twins. Bumper opted to go after Bombshell to use the cerebro-shells against him somehow, while Sideswipe and Sunstreaker came to the aid of Jazz and Marissa against [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and eventually the clone army again. The Autobots did well until Bombshell played his trump card and sent in his army of mind-controlled humans, the missing population. With Marissa the only one who could fight them without worrying about doing lethal damage, Bombshell's human army quickly gained the upper hand. Then Bumper made his move, short-circuiting the cerebro-shell he had taken with him and through that Bombshell himself. The humans sagged down, initially worrying the Autobots until Bumper explained them that with some medical treatment they should be okay.

Case closed, r19ht? {{storylink|Extermination}}

==Notes==
* You wouldn't believe it, but San Desto is in fact home to various celebrities, such as [[wikipedia:Michael_Jordan|Michael Jordan]], [[wikipedia:Where's_Waldo?|Waldo]], the [[Wikipedia:Village People|Village People]], and [[wikipedia:Fat_Albert_and_the_Cosby_Kids|Fat Albert, and Dumb Donald]].
* The garage Jazz and Marissa flee to is called [[Crothers Auto-Body]]. [[Scatman Crothers]] was Jazz's voice actor in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]].
* There's a store called [[Peter Cullen|Cullen's]] in San Desto.
* One of the buildings has the [[Hasbro]] logo on it.
* Another building apparently belongs to a company called "[[Ben Yee|Ben's World of Thongs]]".

[[Category:United States of America]]
[[Category:Generation 1 locations]]

San Desto

2011-02-09T14:33:59Z

168.30.245.144: /* Notes */ sorry, Dumb Donald, not Weird Harold.

:''San Desto is a town on [[Earth]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

In [[California]] near the [[Mexico|Mexican border]] lies a small town of nine thousand citizens named '''San Desto'''. Whoever founded it was incredibly poor on judgement, since the area already had been home to [[Insecticon (G1)|a trio of Decepticons]] for millions of years, biding their time until they could further the invasion plans for [[Shockwave (G1)|their boss]] [[Cybertron (planet)|back home]]. [[Dreamwave timeline#Modern era|Up until modern day]], the three happily made use of the settlement as a place of hiding and a source of nourishment. With the time of the invasion's second phase approaching, the town's inhabitants additionally were deemed useful as [[Autobot]]-proof [[Cerebro-shell|zombie army]].

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity===
[[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] had been receiving reports about people and cattle gone missing in the general area of San Desto, the cattle turning up sometimes but only as dead as a mutilated corpse usually is. {{storylink|Extermination}} When so much as the entire population of San Desto went missing, EDC sent several of their units in for investigation in a matter of days. Predictably, all of them went missing too.

[[Image:Infestation San Desto sushi bar.jpg|left|350px|thumb|]]
Just prior to its disappearance, one unit, Unit Bravo, had taken their search into the [[Aztec Theatres]], where [[Bombshell (G1)|the cause]] of the area's disturbances [[Cerebro-shell|caught]] them, though not before a warning could be sent back to EDC Headquarters. In response to this and external research that revealed the presence of a Cybertronian energy signature, EDC recruited some of the Autobots they had saved [[The Omega Effect|shortly before]] for a mission to eliminate the threat. Under command of [[Marissa Faireborn]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and under the cover of night, the composed team was dropped in front of a sushi bar, where they adhered to proper horror tradition by splitting up in three units to do more ground: [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] formed one unit, Jazz and Marissa another, and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] was put with the remaining [[EDC Night Force Unit|EDC soldiers]]. While the [[twin]]s went to explore the streets, Bumper's scanner brought his unit into the Aztec Theatres, where the blood-covered movie screen made for a grim contrast with the empty but immaculate outdoors. Jazz and Marissa found themselves in a similar situation at the hospital when screams coming from the Aztec Theatres drew all back. Outside the movie theater, two badly shaken members of Bumper's unit clarified that they had been attacked and that the others had all been taken away. Sunstreaker and Sideswipe chose to a head-on approach and went into the theaters, while the four remaining outside soon became the target of the hungry [[Insecticon clone|insect-like semi-robot army]]. {{storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}} Neither Marissa nor Jazz could prevent their teammates from being taken away, and were forced to take cover in a [[Crothers Auto-Body|garage]] nearby. There, they found the gruesome remains of the "Insecticons"' appetites: the missing livestock and humans. Putting this discovery and their individual bits of knowledge together, Marissa and Jazz figured out who they were dealing with and descended a tunnel they found in the back of the garage.

[[Image:Extermination San Desto zombie army.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The Village People are in another frame.]]
Prior, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe had followed the Aztec Theatres tunnel into the Insecticons' lair, which was filled with their "eggs" soon to hatch. The two Autobots were attacked and taken captive by the main trio, who had previously also captured but lost Bumper. When Jazz and Marissa arrived in the brood chamber a little later and began destroying the eggs, the Insecticons were forced to take out the invaders and thereby leave an opportunity for Bumper to free the twins. Bumper opted to go after Bombshell to use the cerebro-shells against him somehow, while Sideswipe and Sunstreaker came to the aid of Jazz and Marissa against [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and eventually the clone army again. The Autobots did well until Bombshell played his trump card and sent in his army of mind-controlled humans, the missing population. With Marissa the only one who could fight them without worrying about doing lethal damage, Bombshell's human army quickly gained the upper hand. Then Bumper made his move, short-circuiting the cerebro-shell he had taken with him and through that Bombshell himself. The humans sagged down, initially worrying the Autobots until Bumper explained them that with some medical treatment they should be okay.

Case closed, r19ht? {{storylink|Extermination}}

==Notes==
* You wouldn't believe it, but San Desto is in fact home to various celebrities, such as [[wikipedia:Michael_Jordan|Michael Jordan]], [[wikipedia:Where's_Waldo?|Waldo]], the [[Wikipedia:Village People|Village People]], and [[wikipedia:Fat_Albert_and_the_Cosby_Kids|Fat Albert, and Dumb Donald]].
* The garage Jazz and Marissa flee to is called [[Crothers Auto-Body]]. [[Scatman Crothers]] was Jazz's voice actor in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]].
* There's a store called [[Peter Cullen|Cullen's]] in San Desto.
* One of the buildings has the [[Hasbro]] logo on it.
* Another building apparently belongs to a company called "[[Ben Yee|Ben's World of Thongs]]".

[[Category:United States of America]]
[[Category:Generation 1 locations]]

San Desto

2011-02-09T14:32:20Z

168.30.245.144: Fat Albert and Weird Harold are totally in that one image of the townspeople. Back and on the left. -hx at work

:''San Desto is a town on [[Earth]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

In [[California]] near the [[Mexico|Mexican border]] lies a small town of nine thousand citizens named '''San Desto'''. Whoever founded it was incredibly poor on judgement, since the area already had been home to [[Insecticon (G1)|a trio of Decepticons]] for millions of years, biding their time until they could further the invasion plans for [[Shockwave (G1)|their boss]] [[Cybertron (planet)|back home]]. [[Dreamwave timeline#Modern era|Up until modern day]], the three happily made use of the settlement as a place of hiding and a source of nourishment. With the time of the invasion's second phase approaching, the town's inhabitants additionally were deemed useful as [[Autobot]]-proof [[Cerebro-shell|zombie army]].

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave Generation 1 continuity===
[[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] had been receiving reports about people and cattle gone missing in the general area of San Desto, the cattle turning up sometimes but only as dead as a mutilated corpse usually is. {{storylink|Extermination}} When so much as the entire population of San Desto went missing, EDC sent several of their units in for investigation in a matter of days. Predictably, all of them went missing too.

[[Image:Infestation San Desto sushi bar.jpg|left|350px|thumb|]]
Just prior to its disappearance, one unit, Unit Bravo, had taken their search into the [[Aztec Theatres]], where [[Bombshell (G1)|the cause]] of the area's disturbances [[Cerebro-shell|caught]] them, though not before a warning could be sent back to EDC Headquarters. In response to this and external research that revealed the presence of a Cybertronian energy signature, EDC recruited some of the Autobots they had saved [[The Omega Effect|shortly before]] for a mission to eliminate the threat. Under command of [[Marissa Faireborn]] and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and under the cover of night, the composed team was dropped in front of a sushi bar, where they adhered to proper horror tradition by splitting up in three units to do more ground: [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] formed one unit, Jazz and Marissa another, and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] was put with the remaining [[EDC Night Force Unit|EDC soldiers]]. While the [[twin]]s went to explore the streets, Bumper's scanner brought his unit into the Aztec Theatres, where the blood-covered movie screen made for a grim contrast with the empty but immaculate outdoors. Jazz and Marissa found themselves in a similar situation at the hospital when screams coming from the Aztec Theatres drew all back. Outside the movie theater, two badly shaken members of Bumper's unit clarified that they had been attacked and that the others had all been taken away. Sunstreaker and Sideswipe chose to a head-on approach and went into the theaters, while the four remaining outside soon became the target of the hungry [[Insecticon clone|insect-like semi-robot army]]. {{storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}} Neither Marissa nor Jazz could prevent their teammates from being taken away, and were forced to take cover in a [[Crothers Auto-Body|garage]] nearby. There, they found the gruesome remains of the "Insecticons"' appetites: the missing livestock and humans. Putting this discovery and their individual bits of knowledge together, Marissa and Jazz figured out who they were dealing with and descended a tunnel they found in the back of the garage.

[[Image:Extermination San Desto zombie army.jpg|right|350px|thumb|The Village People are in another frame.]]
Prior, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe had followed the Aztec Theatres tunnel into the Insecticons' lair, which was filled with their "eggs" soon to hatch. The two Autobots were attacked and taken captive by the main trio, who had previously also captured but lost Bumper. When Jazz and Marissa arrived in the brood chamber a little later and began destroying the eggs, the Insecticons were forced to take out the invaders and thereby leave an opportunity for Bumper to free the twins. Bumper opted to go after Bombshell to use the cerebro-shells against him somehow, while Sideswipe and Sunstreaker came to the aid of Jazz and Marissa against [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and eventually the clone army again. The Autobots did well until Bombshell played his trump card and sent in his army of mind-controlled humans, the missing population. With Marissa the only one who could fight them without worrying about doing lethal damage, Bombshell's human army quickly gained the upper hand. Then Bumper made his move, short-circuiting the cerebro-shell he had taken with him and through that Bombshell himself. The humans sagged down, initially worrying the Autobots until Bumper explained them that with some medical treatment they should be okay.

Case closed, r19ht? {{storylink|Extermination}}

==Notes==
* You wouldn't believe it, but San Desto is in fact home to various celebrities, such as [[wikipedia:Michael_Jordan|Michael Jordan]], [[wikipedia:Where's_Waldo?|Waldo]], the [[Wikipedia:Village People|Village People]], and [[wikipedia:Fat_Albert_and_the_Cosby_Kids|Fat Albert and Weird Harold]].
* The garage Jazz and Marissa flee to is called [[Crothers Auto-Body]]. [[Scatman Crothers]] was Jazz's voice actor in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon series]].
* There's a store called [[Peter Cullen|Cullen's]] in San Desto.
* One of the buildings has the [[Hasbro]] logo on it.
* Another building apparently belongs to a company called "[[Ben Yee|Ben's World of Thongs]]".

[[Category:United States of America]]
[[Category:Generation 1 locations]]

Sentinel Major

2011-02-08T18:37:24Z

168.30.245.144: GODDAMNIT I CAN'T DO ANYTHING RIGHT

{{factions|autobot|eliteguard}}
{{disambig3|Sentinel}}
:''Sentinel Major is an [[Autobot]] from the "[[Wings of Honor continuity|Wings of Honor]]" portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Sentinel Major.jpg|thumb|right|250px|He is not that jerk. Or maybe he is. [[Talk:Sentinel_Prime_%28G1%29#Sentinel_Major|We've kind of given up on it, honestly.]]]]
'''Sentinel Major''' comes from a very distinguished heritage. The "Sentinel Line" from which Sentinel takes his name comprises a storied history of war heroes, all who have fought in key battles in Cybertron's history, and all who have worn the distinguished blue and orange that Sentinel wears. Sentinel lives every moment confident in the knowledge that, somewhere out there, his legendary ancestors are looking down on him and wishing they were him instead.

To say Sentinel Major is arrogant is an understatement. Even though he is a more than capable warrior who wields his hard-light lance and shield with the experience of a life time of training, he is too much of a narcissist to be much help on the battlefield. His only real interest is himself and his story, the story of a bot of great potential who rose through the ranks the greatest soldier who probably ever lived, who would take the mighty reins of the [[Elite Guard]] as their Supreme Commander.

He is not well liked.

==Fiction==
===Timelines: ''Wings of Honor'' continuity===
When Sentinel was young, he lived and breathed the data of Cybertron's past wars, and refused to download anything else. Though he first enrolled in an officer's academy, he quickly became frustrated there and moved to basic training. Having nobody drill instructors telling him what to do was annoying, but at least he would prove to them that he was the finest specimen they would ever have the pleasure of training. Sentinel was pretty sure he did, because straight out of basic training he was culled into [[Big Bang]]'s infantry unit with the [[Autobot Guard]], the "[[Advanced Observation Unit]]." After the battle on [[Beta 9]] signaled the beginning of the war against the insurgent [[Decepticon]]s, the AOU was reconfigured into the new Elite Guard. Many of the AOU became commanders of their own Elite Guard team, but Sentinel sought a more lofty job title. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 35|Sentinel Major's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}}

{{charstubfiction}}

When Magnum left his office to greet [[Metalhawk]]'s squad upon their arrival at Elite Guard HQ, Sentinel Major tagged along and helped to make sure Magnum's orders were perfectly clear. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 2}}
{{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}
{{storylink|A Team Effort}}
{{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 5}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
* His appearance—and placement as Magnum's right-hand bot—is pretty obviously an homage to ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. (So far his personality is a bit less jerkish, though.)
* But whether he's technically an incarnation of ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] is a matter of [[Talk:Sentinel Prime (G1)#Sentinel Major|some debate]].

[[Category:Elite Guard]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]

Sentinel Major

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{{factions|autobot|eliteguard}}
{{disambig3|Sentinel}}
:''Sentinel Major is an [[Autobot]] from the "[[Wings of Honor continuity|Wings of Honor]]" portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Sentinel Major.jpg|thumb|right|250px|He is not that jerk. Or maybe he is. [[We've kind of given up on it, honestly.]]
'''Sentinel Major''' comes from a very distinguished heritage. The "Sentinel Line" from which Sentinel takes his name comprises a storied history of war heroes, all who have fought in key battles in Cybertron's history, and all who have worn the distinguished blue and orange that Sentinel wears. Sentinel lives every moment confident in the knowledge that, somewhere out there, his legendary ancestors are looking down on him and wishing they were him instead.

To say Sentinel Major is arrogant is an understatement. Even though he is a more than capable warrior who wields his hard-light lance and shield with the experience of a life time of training, he is too much of a narcissist to be much help on the battlefield. His only real interest is himself and his story, the story of a bot of great potential who rose through the ranks the greatest soldier who probably ever lived, who would take the mighty reins of the [[Elite Guard]] as their Supreme Commander.

He is not well liked.

==Fiction==
===Timelines: ''Wings of Honor'' continuity===
When Sentinel was young, he lived and breathed the data of Cybertron's past wars, and refused to download anything else. Though he first enrolled in an officer's academy, he quickly became frustrated there and moved to basic training. Having nobody drill instructors telling him what to do was annoying, but at least he would prove to them that he was the finest specimen they would ever have the pleasure of training. Sentinel was pretty sure he did, because straight out of basic training he was culled into [[Big Bang]]'s infantry unit with the [[Autobot Guard]], the "[[Advanced Observation Unit]]." After the battle on [[Beta 9]] signaled the beginning of the war against the insurgent [[Decepticon]]s, the AOU was reconfigured into the new Elite Guard. Many of the AOU became commanders of their own Elite Guard team, but Sentinel sought a more lofty job title. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 35|Sentinel Major's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}}

{{charstubfiction}}

When Magnum left his office to greet [[Metalhawk]]'s squad upon their arrival at Elite Guard HQ, Sentinel Major tagged along and helped to make sure Magnum's orders were perfectly clear. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 2}}
{{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}
{{storylink|A Team Effort}}
{{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 5}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
* His appearance—and placement as Magnum's right-hand bot—is pretty obviously an homage to ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. (So far his personality is a bit less jerkish, though.)
* But whether he's technically an incarnation of ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] is a matter of [[Talk:Sentinel Prime (G1)#Sentinel Major|some debate]].

[[Category:Elite Guard]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]

Sentinel Major

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168.30.245.144:

{{factions|autobot|eliteguard}}
{{disambig3|Sentinel}}
:''Sentinel Major is an [[Autobot]] from the "[[Wings of Honor continuity|Wings of Honor]]" portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Sentinel Major.jpg|thumb|right|250px|He is not that jerk. Or maybe he is. [[We've kind of given up on it, honestly.]]]]
'''Sentinel Major''' comes from a very distinguished heritage. The "Sentinel Line" from which Sentinel takes his name comprises a storied history of war heroes, all who have fought in key battles in Cybertron's history, and all who have worn the distinguished blue and orange that Sentinel wears. Sentinel lives every moment confident in the knowledge that, somewhere out there, his legendary ancestors are looking down on him and wishing they were him instead.

To say Sentinel Major is arrogant is an understatement. Even though he is a more than capable warrior who wields his hard-light lance and shield with the experience of a life time of training, he is too much of a narcissist to be much help on the battlefield. His only real interest is himself and his story, the story of a bot of great potential who rose through the ranks the greatest soldier who probably ever lived, who would take the mighty reins of the [[Elite Guard]] as their Supreme Commander.

He is not well liked.

==Fiction==
===Timelines: ''Wings of Honor'' continuity===
When Sentinel was young, he lived and breathed the data of Cybertron's past wars, and refused to download anything else. Though he first enrolled in an officer's academy, he quickly became frustrated there and moved to basic training. Having nobody drill instructors telling him what to do was annoying, but at least he would prove to them that he was the finest specimen they would ever have the pleasure of training. Sentinel was pretty sure he did, because straight out of basic training he was culled into [[Big Bang]]'s infantry unit with the [[Autobot Guard]], the "[[Advanced Observation Unit]]." After the battle on [[Beta 9]] signaled the beginning of the war against the insurgent [[Decepticon]]s, the AOU was reconfigured into the new Elite Guard. Many of the AOU became commanders of their own Elite Guard team, but Sentinel sought a more lofty job title. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 35|Sentinel Major's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}}

{{charstubfiction}}

When Magnum left his office to greet [[Metalhawk]]'s squad upon their arrival at Elite Guard HQ, Sentinel Major tagged along and helped to make sure Magnum's orders were perfectly clear. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 2}}
{{storylink|Flames of Yesterday}}
{{storylink|A Team Effort}}
{{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 5}}

{{--}}

==Notes==
* His appearance—and placement as Magnum's right-hand bot—is pretty obviously an homage to ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]. (So far his personality is a bit less jerkish, though.)
* But whether he's technically an incarnation of ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] is a matter of [[Talk:Sentinel Prime (G1)#Sentinel Major|some debate]].

[[Category:Elite Guard]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]

Talk:Hasbro Q&A/January 2011: Answers

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"Continuity does not always mean a 100% connection rather a plan to avoid out right contradiction" The quote that launched a million headaches. -hx at work

Baby Dinoforce

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{{factions|decepticon}}
{{noname-nickname}}
:''The baby Dinoforce are [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] from the [[Victory (franchise)|Victory]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MangaDinoforceBabies.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I like adventure! I like romance! I like great jokes! GORYU-CHAN DANCE!]]
The '''baby Dinoforce''' are the offspring of the [[Dinoforce]] and the offspring of their [[Pretender]] shells (totalling twelve babies in all). They each resemble a tiny, [[super deformed]] version of their daddy. Exactly [[Reproduction|how they came to be]] is a mystery perhaps best left unsolved.

==Fiction==
===''Victory'' comic===
After the surrender of the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], all the civilians living within the [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]] were at last reunited with their families who had been gone fighting the war. The baby Dinoforce immediately rushed to greet their daddies in a great stampede. [[Gōryū]] could be seen gleefully tossing his precious bundle of joy into the air, much to his child's giggling delight.

And they all lived happily ever after. {{storylink|Heroic! The Victory War}}

[[Category:Comic-only characters]]
[[Category:Dinoforce]]

Talk:Transformers timeline

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Should we have 70's entries, for things like Diaclone being released in Japan, maybe even some specific dates, if we know them (what date various series premiered, TFTM's theatrical release, etc?) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

: I can't think if a good reason not to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:21, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

: Shouldn't we categorize this somehow? Or make it readily available from the main page? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::II would think this would fall udner the same category as an article on a Botcon, which lists dates, attendance number,s keynote speakers, etc. Nonfictional information. (I have no idea if we have such a category though.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

"The Transformers launches in the US, in toy, comic and cartoon formats, forever ruining Transformers." Genius. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:36, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

My hat is off to whoever added that bit about "The dawn of time". [[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 02:29, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I noted the new preview of ''Transformers Animated''. Fans don't seem to be taking it that badly now. Instead of "RUINED FOREVER", we just get "RUINED". [[User:67.160.13.149|67.160.13.149]] 22:49, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I love how the first recorded fan reaction for Transformers is plain compaining and bashing... XD -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 23:56, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

==Dawn of time==
As much as I agree with it, I dunno if those jokes have a place here. ...at least, in the body of the article itself. Now, fit it in a caption, and we have cart blanche. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Despite my objections, I have fixed some errors. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

:what day of the week was October 23? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno. My Windows calendar doesn't go back that far. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sunday --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 04:23, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:Also, the footnote should probably note that while the date referred to is G1:1, the date in question was calculated by all the begatting. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:02, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::I guess we could put the "note" with [[Wikipedia:Image:God2-Sistine Chapel.png]] and remove the bullet point, but I don't think it has the same panache. Thanks for correcting my errors, anyway; I forgot it was 6,000 years before ''now'', not Christ. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==De-snarking==
In like the of the recent deletions and reversions, I think this page actually could stand to be totally de-snarked, and would be better off purely as straight forward information. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:26, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:I completely disagree. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:32, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, to cite a specific problem I have with it, things like "Everyone loves "Transformers 2000," but they hate Robots in Disguise" don't do much to help accurately convey information to people unfamiliar with the history of the brand and its fandom. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:59, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Footnote it! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:18, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It would take quite an extensive footnote to explain the history of the non-existant "Transformers 2000." and to clarify that not "everyone" loved it, and that not "everyone" hated RiD. And we'd need plenty more footnotes for the other jokes here, too. How about we just make this article more focused on being user-friendly for readers looking to familiarize themselves with the history of Transformers, and forget about the self-amusement? Or is that crazy talk? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:25, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Have you seen the size of this thing? We're well past "user-friendly" and well into "established you're a dork about this if you're reading it" already. Plus, you know, there's the capability to link to the RID page that discusses TF2000 right in the article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:02, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Time Frame==
Or whatever you call the eras of BC and AD. Not to be a stickler about this, but does anyone think that we should change the BC and AD time frames to BCE and CE? Yeah, we've been using the former for quite a few centuries, but since almost everything else in this world (and on the internet) has changed to the whole ''Common Era'' thing, anyone think we should? I'd be more than happy to do it, but not [[AU]] because, well, you know.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:46, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
:It's been a week, I'm doing it.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:00, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
::Whatever. Unless BC/AD is used in the fiction. The only instance I can think of that happening is in [[A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court|the one cartoon episode]]. Actually I would prefer to use "[[MYA|millions of years ago]]" when appropriate and avoid the whole thing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:43, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I noticed that after you reverted it and realized that AD would be the time era they would use in those times (it's been a couple years since I seen the episode). The only reason I went and changed the era names (there's only a few that actually use these names) is because I doubt a race of alien robots would use terms like Before Christ and The Year of Our Lord (only in Latin).--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:50, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

==Ruined Forever==
Look, I get why this was trimmed back, but god damnit, Hassenfeld Brothers "ruining the textile remnant industry forever" is hilarious and you know it. (Alternate caption: "Fans of textile remnants remain critical, however." -hx at work

Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

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'''We do not care about set leaks. Do not tell us who you saw on the set. Unless you can [[Help:Official info|source it in an official press release or reputable news source]], we do not care. Please stop telling us who you saw in set photography.'''

== Release date ==

This page claims a release date of 1 July 2011, yet one of the sources given ([http://tformers.com/transformers-/11777/news.html]) gives a release date of 4 July 2012. Which is correct? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:25, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
: That Tformers source is from months ago, before the release date was moved up. --[[Special:Contributions/67.149.197.71|67.149.197.71]] 12:59, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/199.90.28.195|199.90.28.195]] 15:21, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

Ik hoop dat Transformers 3 is heel beter dan RotF. Of anders... [[Special:Contributions/71.254.158.28|71.254.158.28]] 22:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

== Image ==

Wikipedia has a picture of a Transformers 3 titlecard. Should it be put here too? And Megan Fox should be added to the cast list.
--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 22:48, 3 December 2009 (EST)
:[https://michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/a2bd79bb4c222b807e27707aaf1497e6-570.html michaelbay.com] does confirm Megan Fox, so she could be included with the reference, but I don't know where that image came from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:56, 3 December 2009 (EST)
::Said titlecard would be from Hasbro's Investor Day presentation back on November 5. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:44, 3 December 2009 (EST)
:::Well, then somebody put those things here already --[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 20:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)
:::I'm waiting...--[[Special:Contributions/142.32.208.231|142.32.208.231]] 15:06, 14 January 2010 (EST)
just take off the picture its inapropriote for the kid users {{unsigned|208.102.3.1|15:53, 12 June 2010 (EDT)}}
:The movies themselves are pretty kid-inappropriate. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:00, 12 June 2010 (EDT)
::a silhouette of a woman is not appropriate for kid users? They'd see worse on billboards. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:21, 12 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I'm not too crazy about the image, but I don't think it's too terribly bad [it's nothing compared to some of the Kiss Player stuff or the drawing of Wheelie lifting Teletraan-15's skirt; that stuff troubles me (yes, I know that's the nature of the Kiss Player beast)]. Besides, I have a feeling that the James Bond-ish pic will be removed as soon as we get some pics of the movie posters (might still see it on the Rosie article, though). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:52, 12 June 2010 (EDT)
I can add a photo of promotional poster/sign/thing that was part of Hasbro's public-facing booth display at Licensing Expo 2010 (it was next to a Bumblebee Camaro and a life-sized Bumblebee replica). It's a cell phone quality photograph, but it's got Prime in.
--[[User:Wednesday|Wednesday]] 17:42, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
:You might want to just upload the picture, then ask on its Talk Page if it cuts the mustard for this wiki (that's what I did for my pics of Movie Payload; good thing I did because it didn't cut the mustard). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 20:05, 20 June 2010 (EDT)
::[http://skitch.com/wednesday/djnmu/tf3-poster-shot-a I can do that.] I'd need to crop it down a bit. [[User:Wednesday|Wednesday]] 01:07, 21 June 2010 (EST)
:::Pretty! We can definitely use that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:26, 21 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Grainy, but purty. I know I'm just a commoner here, but I believe it can be used until a sharper image is available. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:14, 21 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Did I say 'grainy'? It looks much better when shrunk down. Good job, Walky, and thanks, Wednesday. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:32, 21 June 2010 (EDT)

== James Avery as Silverbot? ==
[http://unscripted.ca/episodes/show/136] --[[User:Eagc7]]

== New Actor Info ==

...is that seriously for real and not an early April Fool's prank on someone's part? Because... WTF? Who ever heard of Frances McDormand and John Malkovich doing anything in a Transformers movie? XD --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:54, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
:Hey now. Mrs. McDormand was in Aeon Flux, so it's not like she's above Hollywood fluff. And John Malkovich is in Jonah Hex and did things like Johnny English in the past. The Transformers film franchise attracted Hugo Weaving, Jon Voight and Robert Foxworth before them, so I don't see why other notable actors being cast would be such a shock. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
::Weaving and Foxworth, at least, are both actors who've done mainstream scifi franchise stuff before, so I wasn't surprised by them at all, actually. But I always thought of McDormand and Malkovich as being more artsy movie types. (Maybe I'm just still skeptical that TF3's script is going to be less horrible than TF2's.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:30, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
:::Yes, well, as I pointed out, it's not ''all'' they do. McDormand was in Aeon Flux. Malkovich is in a comic book film and was in a Rowan Atkinson comedy once, just to name a few. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:37, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Michael Bay signs biiiiiiiig paycheck* That's why :p --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:31, 22 March 2010 (EDT)
:::::John Malkovich should totally play Dr. Arkeville. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:41, 22 March 2010 (EDT)

== Possible Titles? ==

Has anyone else heard these rumours about the possible titles: Rise of The Primes/Unicron/Galvatron. It is unlikely to be true, but should it be put in the notes, maybe? [[User:Titanus Prime|Titanus Prime]] 14:27, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
:We do not talk about crackpot rumours on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 30 March 2010 (EDT)
::As soon as we get an official title, perhaps some of the rumored titles could be noted. Some, not all of them (maybe one or two likely titles and one off-the-wall one). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:54, 30 March 2010 (EDT)

== Twins, Ironhide and Ratchet on TF3 ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-3-on-set-pictures---a-new-look-for-ratchet-169662/

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/first-behind-the-scenes-video-from-transformers-3-169679/ --[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 0:13, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
:These are not official sources. A Humvee does not mean Ratchet WILL get a new paintjob, and a flying car does not indicate the Twins being in the film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:43, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
::Well one guy sayed that skids Would Apepar and throw a car (samrt car) it he sayed that before the video apepared and the video Looks like what he syaed but like you sayed they not offical source, still --[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 01:15, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Bay Confirms tiwns are nto in tf3, but still the chevy spark/beat were spotted on set http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-spark-transformers-3.html--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
::::That's still not an official source. If you can find a link where Bay or someone involved with the production says they're in, then that would do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:35, 11 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/new-transformers-3-on-set-pictures---including-a-clear-view-of-ratchets-new-look-169900/ Isn't this enough to prove that Ratchet and Ironhide will return?--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 04:29, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Not really. For example, the "Ratchet" could just be a fire department truck assigned as part of a NEST unit. Or it could have been painted up after the second movie in expectation of him being used in the third, but before a decision was made not to use him. The bottom line is that those aren't officially released photos. This isn't an "OMG look what I know that you don't site" trying to beat everyone to the punch by making half-baked predictions, it is an archive of what has been officially shown. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:10, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I don't think so. That ambulance is too similar. Hummer H2 and Autobot symbol on it. Autobot symbols are only used in Autobot alternate mode vehicles. NEST vehicles have no symbols or they have NEST logo. And what about Ironhide? Images are excatly enough to confirmation. These should be enough. There are no more proofs needed.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 22:46, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Doesn't matter. Those aren't OFFICIAL photos. They weren't released by Hasbro, Bay or anyone who has any control over things. They are, in effect, STOLEN intellectual property and DO NOT belong here. Whether your contentions turn out to be true or not is irrelevant. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:39, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Not only that, Michael Bay and others are on the record that they're intentionally spreading false info. Remember how there were sightings of Barricade around the time RotF was filming? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:06, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::The pics have been confirmed and both ratchet and Ironhide have official pics with them being next to optimus prime and bumblebee and Ratchet still has his ''new'' colors. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1}} 16:27 8 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Nope, we still don't count 'em unless Michael, Don, Nelson, or anyone directly affiliated/working on TF3 comes up and says so. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:29, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Why is this such a hard concept. Unless any new photo/news is released by Hasbro itself or one of the authorities in charge of the film it does not go on the wiki. <Cheetor> PERIOD. <Cheetor).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 17:13, 8 June 2010 (EDT)
::Meh noone blevies they are i nmovie, WELL Lets wiat til lfilmngi begisn and you guys will see these pcis are REAL!!! {{unsigned|Eagc7|20:11, 10 June 2010 (EDT)}}
:::It's not a case of not believing they're in the movie. I would say most people believe it. It's a case of these pictures being leaked information without official confirmation. And we don't include that sort of info on the wiki. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:14, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Right. This info might be "obvious", but sometimes leaked info is less obvious and open to interpretation. A line has to be drawn somewhere, and no leaked info ever is pretty clear. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:00, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
:I have no idea will the Twins really appear or not. But I'm sure Ratchet and Ironhide would still return. Bay has denied appearance of the Twins twice. But as he or anyone lese part of the production says nothing to it, I've no reason to believe that they won't appear. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:32, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
::True, but you have no official evidence that they will appear. Therefore, the wiki remains silent on their appearance or non-appearance in TF3. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:42, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Looks like someone misunderstood. My point wasn't that their names should be added to the cast list.- [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 15:44, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Then what the heck WAS your point? This whole thread has been about whether or not these characters are confirmed as part of the cast of the new movie! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:59, 15 June 2010 (EDT)

== Megan Fox ==
She was reportediy axed due to a want not to have Sam tied down with a love intrest.
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/usmovies.accesshollywood.com/megan-fox-dropped-from-transformers-3
:Reuters.com states it's due to Bay and company wishing to go a different direction. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64J04920100520 Bottom line, Fox is gone. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:32, 19 May 2010 (EDT)
::That news about Fox(cited) should probably be front and center in her own article, rather than down the bottom in trivia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:11, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

== Shockwave Has villian and FInal Film in the franchise ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/308221-transformers-3-movie-details-possible-spoilers-2.html
:The above link is to the second page of a forum thread about an article ABOUT the article in question. Here's the actual article: http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-06-11-Transformers11_ST_N.htm?csp=usat.me -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:21, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
::For those who don't feel like reading through it: no more goofball humor; twins are basically gone; new love interest for Sam; Shockwave is new villain; involves USA/USSR space race; characters who die stay dead this time. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:30, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== DINOBOTS? ==

In a interview with Josh Duhamel was asked if the dinobots are going to be in TF3,and he sayed that ''I can't answer that question'' which pretty much confirms that the Dinobots are going to be in it like they did with devastator in ROTF.so can we add them? {{unsigned|98.204.17.1}} 02:28, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
:His deflection of the question doesn't "pretty much" confirm anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:39, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
How so, he is playing coy and by now its common sense that when they do that it means its coming.Mis-information campaign. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1}} 11:27, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
:That's not official confirmation. Besides, Josh Duhamel is just an actor; for all we know, Lennox might not interact with the Dinobots. He might not even know who the Dinobots are. For now, they aren't confirmed. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:32, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
::"he is playing coy and by now its common sense that when they do that it means its coming.Mis-information campaign." But he could be acting that way to make you think he means the Dinobots are in it when they really aren't. That's the thing about mis-information campaigns, you never really know what it all means until the movie comes out. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:17, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
:::So in short, ''wait'' until Paramount or Bay or other reporting agencies outright says either the Dinobots are going to show up or not. Better accuracy that way. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:44, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

== SIDESWIPE ==

Sideswipe was spotted on set.And YES michael bay and crew members were their so can we count that as confirmination? --[[User:Primetime]] 13:49,18 June 2010 (EDT)
:Source? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:52, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
Transformers 3 - Update # 12 ( Filming Locations, Mark Ryan Interview and more!) --[[User:Primetime]] 13:55,18 June 2010 (EDT)

Dear God. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:56, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

I Found a video with Be,, swipe and ferrari on set can i psot it? --[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:'''''NO.''''' We've been over this countless times before, for the first film and for Revenge of the Fallen and now for this: We do not post anything that has not been officially released or revealed by Hasbro, Paramount or Michael Bay. This video was shot without authorization by onlookers on set and is not official. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:03, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

== Disclaimer ==

Do we need using a disclaimer/notice on the page[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_3_(film) for reference] (not only the talk page), too? Since some users (especially new comers or anons) usually edit the page without reading the talk page first. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 04:55, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:An excellent idea. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:23, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

== MARK RYAN ==

Mark Ryan the previous voice for bumblebee sayed in a interview that he was going to be doing several voices for characters(possible bumblebee).Since we don't know who he will be voicing but this is OFFICIAL can we put this in the notes section or take it in consideration?You can find the interview on the site.--[[User:Primetime]] 13:36, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/
:That doesn't seem to say anything about him doing the on-screen voices, just that on-set voices (as he's always done). Bumblebee is not a guarantee, either. His only known line as Bumblebee in ROTF was cut. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:54, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

== Why ==

So let me get this straight...ummmm...so we can't add characters that were seen in videos or set pics.It safely confirms them so It seems strange that we cant add them it seems a little too...uptight(e.g.Ratchet,Primes G1 style trailer).Don't start bashing me and chewing me out.I just need a calm and good reason why.--[[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 1:20, July 15 2010 (EDT)

: We saw Barricade on set during ROTF's filming. Guess who wasn't in the movie? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:26, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

Yes that's true.But Ratchet, sideswipe, and prime were seen during a big chase scene in chicago with a camera crew.hmmmmm.--[[User:Saberblade|Saberblade]] 01:47, 15 July 15 2010 (EDT)

:This is Micheal Bay, he probably drives to work every day in a huge car chase, firing an uzi out of his window. Besides, just because they were being filmed doesn't mean they will actually be in the movie. They could easily be cut later. Plus, it is NOT an OFFICIAL SOURCE. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:50, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:Correct. And we only add officially-released information. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 06:51, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

::The simple reason is that this is an archive of things that "have happened" in the Transformers universes, until the movie is released it "hasn't happened yet". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:49, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

:::And Barricade ''wasn't'' on set during ROTF's filming. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:18, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

"We saw Barricade on set during ROTF's filming. Guess who wasn't in the movie? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]]"

:actually, we did't. His altmode was seen 2 months before filming {{unsigned|24.253.95.14}}

I would have one little question: Are the call sheets trusted information?
--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 7:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
:I would say 'no' because Bay could allow phony call sheets to be "leaked". Remember 'The Empire Strikes Back' which had a phony page in the script? I know it's not the same, but it's the same idea. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:13, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
::Never heard about that thing with 'The Empire Strikes Back'. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 18:34, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
:::The fake page had Vader telling Luke that Obi-Wan killed Luke's dad. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:24, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
:::: Obi-Wan kills Luke's Dad? D@mn it, SPOILERS, MAN! Those of us watching through the Clone Wars cartoon to get the story in order don't want to know what's coming up! -ZacWilliam (not signed in and unable to resist.)

== Carly? ==
do this Count has offical Confirmation or not? http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?7552-Every-Little-Girl-Should-Be-Told-That-She-s-Pretty-Even-if-She-s-Not.&p=143091#post143091
:I'm so baffled by this I forgot the overblown "NO" reaction I had planned. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:20, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
::[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?7566-Transformers-3-Chicago-Set-Photos I guess it's official now.] Also, his news post on Bay's site apparently reveals [https://michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/6e7f5a008e98162953abdfdfca1d32e8-612.php the name of the Ferrari Autobot]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:36, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Darn, I was pulling for a Bewitched-esque "No, Mikaela's always looked like this". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:48, 20 July 2010 (EDT)
::::He edited the front page news. Now it says the Ferrari is parked on Rush Street. That's a weird screw up... --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

== Optimus' Trailer ==

There have been multiple pictures and videos of a semi truck with flames driving a trailer which heavily resembles [[Optimus]]' trailer from G1. The truck is a different truck than the two previous films which does support his redesign. Should we mention it?
:What were the sources of those pictures? Were they from Paramount? From mainstream news programs? From some guy hiding in the bushes and taking pictures with his cell phone? ONLY officially released information may go on this page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:53, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

==Soundwave's Return==
Is it safe to put Soundwave on the character list since his head was seen on set?
:As the page says, repeatedly and in big letters, SET LEAKS DO NOT COUNT.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:49, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::Is there any way that the Edit button could be rerouted to a page that only reads (and perhaps states audiably) "If your info is from a set leak, don't post it here!"? I know that's virtually impossible, but I (and I'm certain quite a number of those here) are frustrated that these scoop hounds don't seem to understand what "officially released information" is. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 08:24, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:::The page itself is semi-protected, which already keeps our signal-to-noise pretty good.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:24, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

== Rush ==
Where's Rush? He's official, in the movie and confirmed. He should be on the character list
--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.181.196|92.238.181.196]] 13:02, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Source? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:17, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::I haven't seen Geddy Lee in any of these pictures. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 13:19, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

Who's Geddy Lee? And it DID say Rush was the red ferrari but they must have changed it. That does not make it wrong. You cant just put a character in and remove it when it was confirmed before. Rush seems accurate and its clear they could not miss out the "st" the first time round. Its pure logic. --[[Special:Contributions/92.238.181.196|92.238.181.196]] 13:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Now it says that the Ferrari is parked on Rush Street. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::That is NOT logic. It's quite possible that a picture could have been labeled Rush (no "St") as an indication of location. This note could easily have been misinterpreted by someone who didn't know the location as a name and posted. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:34, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

You are perhaps aware of Michael Bay's admission that he likes to spread misinformation right up to the day his movies are released?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:38, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

OK so lots of people were mislead as well. And who is Geddy Lee and what has he got to do with the movie? --[[Special:Contributions/92.238.181.196|92.238.181.196]] 13:45, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Geddy Lee is the lead singer for the rock band Rush. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:45, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
::If Rush is in this movie, I will line up for tickets. "Closer to the heart!" -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:41, 24 July 2010 (EDT)

== Page edit ==

I was correcting a grammar error when the human list (and Sam Witwicky) were deleted, moving everyone else to the Decepticons. Can anyone help? -- [[User:Shackwave123|Shackwave123]] 9:33, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:If </ref> is forgotten from a footnote, it happens. Same thing happened to me once, when I got a permission to edit this page. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 10:00, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

== Jolt ==

I know this isn't confirmed but look at this. [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/310669-tf3-info-regarding-jolt-confirmed-i-am-100-certain-details-inside.html [1]] But it may be helpful in the future! [[User:Erimal|Erimal]] 22:06, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
:We can't accept "insider source" info like that, nor is it truthfully helpful, and we don't care for info like that. As we said many, ''many'', '''many''' times, the '''''ONLY''''' sources of info that we'll accept is: A) directly from the press, B) directly from Michael or Steven themselves, C) directly from Nelson, Michael's webmaster. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:18, 29 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'm afraid Jolt won't return. Check this: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/nelson---no-jolt-for-transformers-3-170344/ --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 10:37, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

== Nelson - Michael Bay's webmaster ==

How do we classify Nelson's comments? Like he posts official news and filmed official hype videos of the Chicago set, and does things with (presumably) Michael Bay's authorisation, but he's also been linking youtube videos by people (unofficially) filming the Chicago set on the front page of Bay's website, videos that reveal things that have not yet been "officially" revealed. So we pick and choose what he says and does based upon what we think is "official" and what is merely him drumming up hype for the movie? I ask because he revealed what the three Nascars (seen in both youtube videos, unofficial set photos AND Nelson's own official set visit video) are referred to as on set at TFW2005, but I don't know how to classify that comment. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:52, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:I'm inclined to go with Nelson's confirmations/denials on the boards, but videos we should hold off since we don't have context to go with it. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:05, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I think if Nelson confirms stuff, we should take that as official word. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:05, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:::http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2010/08/new-autobot-arrives-and-more-boom.html Nelson confirmed this new Autobot vehicle. It's a fire truck, but it's not Inferno or Hot Spot. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 09:11, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

== The Wreckers? ==

Should we include this? ([http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/UnForgottenHero/news/?a=20901]) --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 03:43, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:I am asking that very question above your edit. Also, please sign off on your comments. It's the signature-looking button, or just type four of these <nowiki>~</nowiki> --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:57, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'd feel better about including the Wreckers story if they included a link to the forum post in question in their news story. I can't even find a link to the forums on that site! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:00, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I found the post, unfortunately the staffer at TFW who reported it is rather inexperienced and gets overexcited, so he forgot to link to the post. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:06, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I'm just sayin'. --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 04:14, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Just clarified my above statement. I added the Wreckers thing to the page a few odd minutes ago :) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:46, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Hope I contributed a big thing :D. By the way, [[User:FFN|FFN]] are you the only one who can edit Transformers 3 --[[User:HeyTFWiki|HeyTFWiki]] 05:00, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== Einstein Bot not "Q" ==
Nelson confirmed that the "Q" thing was not true information and commented that he didn't know where the confirmation came from. It should probably be taken down, as "Q" seems to merely be a hint as to who it is, but not a potential name. Link is [http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?7595-Ok-has-the-bot-list-got-crazy-or-what!/page3 here]. --[[User:Faded-Myth|Faded-Myth]] 21:01, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks. I am vindicated of my belief of that NIBMRatchet guy's overeager incompetence. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:18, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/more-transformers-3-spoilers-and-rumors-from-detroit-170570/ Though I read this article, I can't say that Wheeljack's name should be added onto cast list of the film. Word from extra casted people from Detroit filming can't be fully trusted. Even extra casted actors can have misinformation. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 18:34, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're not until Nelson, Bay himself, Spielberg himself, or Murphy says otherwise. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:39, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
::To CAJH - What part of "We do not care about set leaks. Do not tell us who you saw on the set. Unless you can source it in an official press release or reputable news source, we do not care. Please stop telling us who you saw in set photography." do you not understand? NONE of the various things you have brought here have been official information. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:51, 14 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I told you all that information from the previous link can't be fully trusted. Are you saying that because of that, I still shouldn't have even add it here? --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 8:38, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:::And besides, this discussion page is to talk about the movie, not for collecting official information. So, there's no reason I would have done anything wrong. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 8:41, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Wrong. This is not a chat room or a message board. These talk pages are for discussions relevant to the Wiki and its articles. Just discussing movie speculation is not for here. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:13, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Wait a second, you think that even Nelson's words about Jolt's not returning to film and Wheelie's return can't be trusted? "NONE of the various things you have brought here have been official information." I know this page must have an official information revealed. An information that is revealed by any member of the filming crew or producers of the movie. You have no proofs that webmaster's words contain nothing but rumors. That extra casting member who told about Wheeljack or Shockwave can't be fully trusted, but anything else I've added here is not misinformation. Well, anything I've added after I read the rules of these pages.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 9:07, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::::All we're saying is that you didn't need to bring it up because we know not to add Wheeljack's name unless otherwise. As for webmasters, both Nelson and Don work WITH Michael directly, so we trust them a lot more than set reports from extras or people working on the set. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:31, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I wasn't saying it should be added here. But if you say that only links with information that will be necessary are permitted here, then I'll obey.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 10:05, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Hey hey, I forgot one thing. That Mercedes car hasn't evem been seen in Detroit. So how could anyone know that the Wheeljack really meant that Mercedes? By no means. I can't believe I didn't write it earlier. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:49, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

==Wheelie==
Wheelie returns. Confirmed by Nelson. http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/wheelies-back-in-transformers-3-170366/
The sam elink confirms also that the Jeep seen in Chicago is not in movie as we thought. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 8:42, 6 August 2010 (EDT)
:Who is "nelson"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:32, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::The answer is [[Talk:Transformers_3#Nelson_-_Michael_Bay.27s_webmaster|on this very page]]. But if you don't want to click, Nelson is Michael Bay's webmaster, and here his information is considered an official source. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 09:40, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

==Inferno as new Autobot ?==
yes as new Autobot ::[http://skitch.com/wedenesday/djnmu/tf3-poster-shot-a I can do that.]
:I followed the link and saw this: "This object is not available! Perhaps you should contact wedenesday for more information?". Sorry, ace, but no dice. Everybody with me: "Wait for ''official'' (please denote the "'''official'''" part) news releases about the movie." In other words, if Michael Bay's website or the Associated Press didn't say it, it doesn't go here. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:20, 7 August 2010 (EDT)
::If you mean that firetruck Autobot, you better know this. Nelson told that it's not Inferno. You wanna watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWCkIggT8yk Don't take it as official information, but this will sound very crazy. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 13:52, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

==MEGATRON==
Megatron is coming back for Transformers 3 so why does his name keep getting removed from the cast his face has being seen pinned up in Chicago. Check out the Link. http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/megatron-returns-for-transformers-3-170294/ --{{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}} 14:58, 25 August 2010

:READ THE NOTICE AT THE TOP OF THIS PAGE. We do not accept ANY info that was not released by Bay, his webmaster, Hasbro, or Paramount. We take officially released info only and these pictures ARE NOT. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:02, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
::And there's always the chance of them changing things mid-shooting. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:15, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Plus, may I add that it could be a stand-in for a new baddie? It's cheaper to use a leftover prop than make a new cardboard face. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy who slapped that face on the pole didn't even know who it was. It's ''likely'' Megs will be back, but wait for '''''official''''' news. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:49, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticons ==

Since when were Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave confirmed? I've seen them being added a ton of times but I can't find any official source that confirms it. Should those edits be undone or did I just miss something big? --[[User:Kirby|Kirby]] 11:43, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:Those names were added by a relatively inexperienced editor, I have removed them. Unless he/she can show reliable sources for their being in the movie (not just "but OF COURSE they'll be back... It's Megatron, Starscream, and Soundwave!") they should not be listed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:03, 3 September 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I thought so. I just thought that putting it on the talk page would be better than going right up and reverting it. I've noticed that a lot of my edits are just removing stuff --[[User:Kirby|Kirby]] 12:06, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Trademark

2010-10-05T15:23:28Z

168.30.245.144: -hx at work, not logged in. Hi.

[[Image:Aniarrival04 tifof trademark.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Silly Porter C. Powell, you can't copyright a name! You're thinking of a Trademark!]]
A '''trademark''' is a name, phrase or symbol used by a company to distinguish their goods or services from those of other companies in a similar range, preventing "brand confusion". Trademarks are indicated by a ™ symbol, or in the case of '''registered trademarks''', a ® symbol. [[Hasbro]]'s ability to legally secure a trademark dictates what proper nouns they will use to describe a toy, gimmick, or line.

It is ''not'' the same thing as [[copyright]].

Hasbro does not strictly ''need'' to claim trademarks for the [[character]] names applied to individual toys. Some toy companies do not claim them, though this is most often in the case of short-lived licensed lines based on movies or video games. But, Hasbro values the advantages of maintaining established characters (or character types) in the long term, and they wish to be able to hold exclusive claim to those names and use them as long as possible without fear of litigation from or loss to another company.

Trademark law is full of gray areas and complexity; otherwise lawyers couldn't charge exorbitant sums for their services in that field. The whims of the judges who look at the cases also play into the end results. However, there are guidelines and general rules that can explain why items end up named like they do.

==Trademark basics==
Trademarks are categorized into groups of products/services, so when a company applies for a trademark, lawyers compare them to similar marks within the same category, not across all products ever. ''Transformers'' toys fall under '''International Class 28, "Toys and Sporting Goods."'''

The name "[[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]]" provides an illustration of how these categories work: during the time Hasbro was unable to mark a ''Transformers'' toy named "Bumblebee" (see "notable cases", below), Hasbro licensee [[Fun4All]] was able to release a keychain named Bumblebee, because keychains are not categorized as "Toys and Sporting Goods". Similarly, the character of Bumblebee could be referred to by that name within a comic book, since the comic company was not actually claiming it as a trademark within that field. If they were to release [[The Transformers: Bumblebee|a comic ''series'' titled "Bumblebee"]], though, a trademark search (and possiblyclaim) for comics would be needed.

This is also why there can be car batteries with "[[Megatron (disambiguation)|Megatron]]" as a brand name, despite having no connection to Hasbro or ''Transformers''. Hasbro does not make car batteries or anything along the lines of automobile parts, so the odds of "brand confusion" are exceedingly remote, making the battery-maker safe from litigation.

Often, companies that own character-based Intellectual Property (IP) will apply for trademarks across a vast swath of categories to maximize the range of product on which they can use that name. Around the time of ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'', Konami brought the wildly successful Japanese collectible card game franchise ''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' to the US. Among the trademarks they applied for across multiple categories was "Space Megatron," the name of one of the game cards (called simply "Megatron" in Japan). Some [[Fandom|fans]], upon hearing this, believed that Hasbro was in danger of losing the "Megatron" trademark. However, since Hasbro had made steady and repeated use of the name over the course of the previous decade ([[Megatron (G1)/toys|over a dozen toys branded “Megatron”]] between 1990 and 2001, plus media association thanks to five years of the name belonging to a central villain of the associated TV shows), this seems unlikely. The card in question did end up being called "Space Megatron" because at the time that Konami applied for that trademark, Hasbro did not have any ''Transformers'' trading or playing cards and thus could not contest the claim in that field. However, no "Megatron" toys were produced in association with the ''Yu-Gi-Oh'' brand. Still, Hasbro ultimately didn't manage to successfully register the name "Megatron" until 2005.

{{quote|How foolish is it that some other beings in the multiverse have stolen my name?|[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]|[[What Lies Beneath, Part Three|Energon #22]] (letters page)}}

==Relevance==
===Brand recognition===
Originally, Hasbro didn't put as much emphasis on outstanding [[character]]s for the ''Transformers'' toy line from a marketing standpoint as they do today. Toys were supposed to have a shelf life of two years at maximum, to be replaced by new toys, which would be entirely new characters. With the exception of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] (only in the cartoon and comic fiction) and [[Goldbug (G1)|Goldbug]], all the new-toy line-ups from 1985 through 1987 were entirely new characters (not counting variants or reuses of existing sculpts, such as the [[Targetmaster]] versions of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] etc.), as were most of the [[Pretender|Pretenders]] and all of the [[Micromaster|Micromasters]] released by Hasbro. As a consequence, Hasbro only bothered to register a small number of trademarks in the 1980s, such as "[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]" or "[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]".

Hasbro didn't originally realize how much of a crucial part recognizable characters had played in the success of the original ''Transformers'' series until they were facing the massive viewer backlash following Optimus Prime's death in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. As a consequence, the first entirely new ''Transformers'' toy to be released under the name of an older toy intended to represent the same character was the [[Powermaster]] version of Optimus Prime in 1988, followed by the [[Classic Pretender]] versions of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in 1989. Following that, about half of the [[Action Master]] line-up in 1990 consisted of "classic" characters from the 1984-85 toy line-up.

Since then, Hasbro have been putting more emphasis on recognizable characters in all their ''Transformers'' lines, and by extension, on recurring names in general—although ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' put it to a stretch with modified names such as "[[Optimus Primal]]", and numerous characters sporting the names of older ''Transformers'' toys, but not sharing any other similarities with those characters beyond the name.

===Market situation===
Hasbro wasn't the only company slowly coming to realize the importance of recognizable, "iconic" characters, however: Similar discoveries were made by competing companies at the same time. Since "characters" were no longer considered easily replaced throwaway elements of toy lines, companies began to put a stronger focus on developing, emphasizing and defending their intellectual properties—which included the characters' individual names: For comparison, back in the 1980s, it was possible for both [[Hasbro]] and [[Tonka]] to have toys named [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] in their respective ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' and ''[[Tonka GoBots|GoBots]]'' toy lines at the same time, without either company bothering to cause any legal problems with the other one. Likewise, Hasbro were able to release a [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] named [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] in 1985 even though Tomy's US branch had registered the name as a trademark that same year (Tomy was still separate from [[Takara]] at that time). Hasbro didn't even start slapping a ™ claim after individual toys' names on their packaging until 1988, suggesting that they weren't really bothered that another company might use those names for their own toys.

In contrast to that, toy companies enforce their trademarks a lot more rigidly these days. As a consequence, Hasbro's lawyers have become a lot more conservative, objecting the use of any names they fear ''might'' interfere with another company's trademark. This has resulted in quite a few names becoming "off limits" for any further use as part of a ''Transformers'' toy line, at least until the other company decides to abandon the name in question. In return, Hasbro have also performed several not-so-nice maneuvers to seize a trademark in order to prevent their competitor Bandai from introducing certain toy lines on the US market under their original names, such as "Machine Robo Rescue" or "Crush Gear". Furthermore, Hasbro's legal department also prefers to modify certain names in order to make them easier to defend in court... since Hasbro wouldn't want one of their competitors to release a toy under a name so similar to a ''Transformers'' toy's that it could easily cause confusion on behalf of the customers.

==Protection and loss==
Once a trademark is claimed, legal protection of that mark hinges primarily on usage. A company cannot defend a trademark that they never actually use. Protection of a trademark in the action figure world typically lasts roughly a year, though this (like most anything involving trademark law) is not ironclad. ([[#BumblebeeCase|See "notable cases" below.]]) The longer and more frequently a company uses a trademark ("consistent use"), the stronger their case becomes to retain ownership of it should it be contested by a competitor.

Registered trademarks are a stronger level of protection, thanks to a more involved process (and some more fees): With a standard trademark claim (™), a company that feels that another company is infringing on one of their trademarks needs to ''actively'' prove that they have used the trademark (preferably consistently) if they want to take legal action against their competitor. With a registered trademark (®), on the other hand, that process becomes somewhat automated: A company regularly needs to provide the United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) with evidence of consistent use of the trademark in question anyway in order to guarantee continued registration—otherwise, the USPTO will consider the trademark "abandoned" and cancel the registration. If ''that'' company now feels another company is infringing on one of their their trademarks, the burden of proof of consistent use has become automated, and they have an 800–pound gorilla (i.e. the USPTO) backing them up on their case.

Note, however, that even registered trademarks are not by any means absolute protection: Even a registered trademark can be lost due to lack of use (abandonment) or a successful challenge from another company.

===Descriptive trademarks===
Defensibility is also determined by the name itself and its distinctive qualities regarding to what it’s being applied. One could not reasonably expect to claim trademark of "Apple" as a product name for apples. But for, say, computers, which would not otherwise be referred to as an "apple", that works. In regards to toys and ''Transformers'', "Car" would be basically impossible to defend successfully as a distinct trademark. "Carblast", however, is fairly strong, being a made-up compound word highly unlikely to be used elsewhere. "Autobot Carblast" is even more defensible, thanks to the addition of a clearly nonsensical word, which is ''by itself'' very strong, like "[[Rodimus (disambiguation)|Rodimus]]" or "[[Cybertron (disambiguation)|Cybertron]]".

Because Hasbro has been shoring up some of their infrequently-used "common word" names in recent years by adding prefixes (such as "Autobot [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]" or "Decepticon [[Frenzy (disambiguation)|Frenzy]]"), fans sometimes mistake this to mean that reclaiming a trademark from another company is as simple as writing a faction name in front of it. This is ''not true''. If it were, then a competitor such as [[Bandai]] could release a line of robot toys called "Megazord Transformers" with an "Optimus Prime Zord" toy and get away with it. Hasbro's addition of extra words to these old names is primarily to strengthen the claim to a name that is currently (likely) uncontested and Hasbro is likely to try and use often in the future. It is also the case that the names Hasbro has reinforced in this way are all real English words, not made-up words. Real words are harder to defend as a trademark than [[Blastification|nonsense words]]. Adding nonsense to a real word makes it more defensible, but adding nonsense to somebody else's active trademark is only asking for trouble.

Another popular method Hasbro uses to modify real words to make them more distinctive (and thus easier to defend) is by using an alternate spelling (in other words, a deliberate "misspelling"), such as "Tank'''o'''r", "Demolish'''o'''r", "Spitt'''o'''r" or "Scatt'''o'''rshot".

Based on some of Hasbro's naming choices, it could be argued that the strategy of Hasbro's IP lawyers is somewhat conservative or cautious. They may be able to defend more than they try to defend, but they choose not to <s>spend the money</s> take that risk.

===Genericized trademarks===
Trademarks can also be lost by allowing a term to become a "[[wikipedia:genericized_trademark|genericized trademark]]" — effectively, letting their mark become a common term, like "aspirin" for acetylsalicylic acid. Aspirin was once a trademarked brand name controlled by Bayer, but in a 1921 court case it was ruled that the name had become genericized and could be used by all manufacturers of acetylsalicylic acid. Other brand names that have become genericized include "thermos" for [[Aladdin Industries|vacuum flasks]] (genericized in the USA in 1963), "linoleum" for floor covering, and "zipper" for a method of fastening fabric. Brand names that are also in danger of becoming genericized (but are currently still protected as trademarks) include "Kleenex" for facial tissues, "Jell-o" for processed, gelatinized pig hooves, "Xerox" for photocopies, and "Google" for computer searches.

[[Image:Productdoesnotconvert.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Product also does not xerox, kleenex, or jello.]]
Recently, Hasbro has realized that using the word "transform" as a verb to describe the [[Transformation|process of changing a ''Transformers'' toy from one mode into another one]] would make the brand name "Transformers" descriptive, making the mark indefensible. The end result would have been a loss of the mark ''Transformers'' as a registered trademark, allowing competitors to use the term "transformer" as a generic term for ''their'' shape-shifting robot toys and thus creating further confusion among parents when asked to buy a ''Transformer''.

As a consequence, Hasbro has implemented various methods of preventing this. For example, use of "transform" as a verb when being used to describe product is almost strictly forbidden in certain written materials<ref>[[Greg Sepelak]], author of the [[Transformers The Game|''Transformers The Game'']] strategy guide from [[BradyGames]]</ref>: If it's a toy that "converts", Hasbro can argue that ''Transformers'' is not merely a descriptive term, thus allowing for trademark protection to persist. Although this mandate does not extend to character dialogue within fiction, synonyms like "convert" (or simply "change") are used in Hasbro's own products (like packaging [[Call-out|call-outs]] and instructions) and in licensees' products (such as game guides).

As a matter of fact, "Transformer" ("with a capital initial") is listed in the Oxford English Dictionary as a description of "a type of children's toy, first manufactured in Japan, consisting of a model robot which can be transformed into another toy". However, since the term is identified as a "proprietary name" and Hasbro is specifically mentioned in the name etymology, the entry makes it pretty clear that the term is not a catch-all description of a general product type, but tied to a specific manufacturer, hence posing no threat to Hasbro's exclusive claim of the trademark.<ref name="oxford">[http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry_main/50256225?query_type=word&queryword=Transformer&first=1&max_to_show=10&sort_type=alpha&search_id=ump0-DmIxzp-1209&result_place=2&case_id=ump0-rzJWHE-1213&hilite=50256225 Oxford Englisch Dictionary entry for "Transformers"] (note: Only available for registered users)</ref> The fact that the entry has been in the dictionary since 1993 also implies that Hasbro has never seen any need for intervention. (The same dictionary also has an entry for Mattel's "Barbie", for that matter.)
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===The international market===
Since Hasbro is a company rooted in the United States, the focus of trademarks is also naturally on the United States market. Trademark law differs across countries and the availability of terms can differ. Using above examples, "aspirin" is also a genericized word in several other countries including the United Kingdom, but there are many other countries where it is still a protected trademark including Germany, Canada, Mexico and others. In these countries producers of acetylsalicylic acid must use a different term. Similarly there is less danger of the terms "Kleenex" or "Xerox" becoming genericised in the United Kingdom as these terms are rarely used to refer to anything other than the relevant company's products. The status of a trademarked word in one country often has little bearing on its use in other jurisdictions.

Unlike in the early 1990s, when name [[variant]]s were abundant across the various international (particularly European) markets—especially when the [[The Transformers (toyline)|''Generation 1'' toyline]] had been cancelled in the USA, but was still being continued with all-new toys in Europe and other places—Hasbro now aim for a uniform brand representation. In other words, a toy has the same name in every country it's released in by Hasbro (thus making Japanese names an anomaly). However, that could mean a toy that can't be released by Hasbro under its originally intended name in the USA (because another company is already using the trademark), but could easily be released under that name in the United Kingdom, will still be released under the substitute name chosen for the US market everywhere in the world, because it's easier to manage than individual names for individual markets.

In theory, however, this could also backfire: A toy's name that has been cleared for use in the USA by Hasbro's legal department might conflict with another company's trademark in another country. This ''has'' actually happened back in 1985, when Hasbro/[[Milton Bradley]] introduced the ''Generation 1'' toyline on the European market: A Dutch manufacturer of kitchen utensils held the trademark for "Optimus" and reportedly caused problems with name [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]], initially resulting in MB holding back the release of the Optimus Prime toy and declaring [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] the leader of the Autobots instead. (The conflict was eventually settled, and the Optimus Prime toy released.) Note, however, that this is a rather unusual case: In general, European trademark law is a lot less rigid than it is in the USA, and Hasbro generally refrain from using any trademark claims after names on their international packaging, either because that would require them to actively try to defend those trademarks in ''every single country'' they release those toys in, or because ™ has no legal power in many countries outside the USA.

Although there are no known recent examples of ''Transformers'' toys that couldn't be released in specific countries for ''trademark'' reasons, there is at least one case where the intention to release a toy on other markets ''did'' affect the ''United States'' name of the toy: For the [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|''Animated'' toyline]], Hasbro registered the name [[Snarl (Animated)|Slag]], in homage to the [[Slag (G1)|''Generation 1'' character of the same name]]. Even though the trademark was never opposed, and Hasbro renewed it as recently as Christmas of 2007, they were eventually informed that "[[Slag (slang)|slag]]" was considered a slur word not only in ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', but also in the United Kingdom. As a consequence, Hasbro decided to change the toy's name into "Snarl", and released it under that name on all worldwide markets, including the United States.

==Names that require(d) prefixes or suffixes==
===Hasbro===
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]]: Autobot Blades
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]: Autobot Blaster
*[[Bludgeon (disambiguation)|Bludgeon]]: Decepticon Bludgeon (''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Bludgeon (RID)|Bludgeon]] was officially named "[[Destructicon (RID)|Destructicon]] Bludgeon", with an individual ™ claim after each word, which at least ''technically'' means that Hasbro still claimed "Bludgeon" as a trademark by itself in 2003)
*[[Brawl (disambiguation)|Brawl]]: Decepticon Brawl, Deep Desert Brawl, Desert Blast Brawl (also used as part of multi-pack names such as "Freeway Brawl" or "Back Road Brawl" that don't actually include a "Brawl" character)
*[[Bruticus (disambiguation)|Bruticus]]: Predacon Bruticus, Bruticus Maximus
*[[Camshaft (disambiguation)|Camshaft]]: Autobot Camshaft
*[[Cosmos (disambiguation)|Cosmos]]: Autobot Cosmos
*[[Devastator (disambiguation)|Devastator]]: Constructicon Devastator
*[[Drag Strip]]: Decepticon Drag Strip
*[[Dropshot (disambiguation)|Dropshot]]: Decepticon Dropshot
*[[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]]: Decepticon Fracture
*[[Frenzy (disambiguation)|Frenzy]]: Decepticon Frenzy
*[[Grapple]]: Autobot Grapple (misspelled as "Auotbot Grapple" in several instances on the ''[[Commemorative Series]]'' reissue's packaging; also used as part of "Grapple Grip [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]", which isn't a "Grapple" character)
*[[Groove (disambiguation)|Groove]]: Autobot Groove
*[[Heavy Load (disambiguation)|Heavy Load]]: Decepticon Heavy Load
*[[Hot Spot (disambiguation)|Hot Spot]]: Autobot Hot Zone (the ultimate real "Autobot Carblast" case - renaming "Hot Spot" into "Hot Zone" ''and'' adding an "Autobot" prefix) used only once, the [[Titanium Series]] figure is simply named "Hot Zone", without prefix
*[[Hound (disambiguation)|Hound]]: Autobot Hound, Tracker Hound
*[[Jazz (disambiguation)|Jazz]]: Autobot Jazz, Final Battle Jazz, Battle Jazz, Stealth Ninja Jazz (thus far only released in Australia), Freeway Jazz, Special Ops Jazz
*[[Primus]]: Cybertron Primus (exceptional since it has never been used as a Transformers toy's name before)
*[[Ratchet (disambiguation)|Ratchet]]: Autobot Ratchet, Rescue Ratchet, Rescue Torch Ratchet, Desert Tracker Ratchet
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]: Battle Ravage, Command Ravage (both abandoned, back to simply "Ravage" since 2007)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]: Decepticon Rumble
*[[Roadbuster]]: Autobot Roadbuster
*[[Scrapper (disambiguation)|Scrapper]]: Decepticon Scrapper (''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Devastator (G1)|Constructicon Devastator]] giftset only; the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toys are simply named "Scrapper")
*[[Skids (disambiguation)|Skids]]: Autobot Skids, Missile Blast Skids
*[[Tarantulas]]: Predacon Tarantulus (using the spelling "Tarantul'''u'''s" only once), Predacon Tarantulas
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]: Autobot Tracks, Turbo Tracks
*[[Whirl (disambiguation)|Whirl]]: Autobot Whirl
*[[Wheelie (disambiguation)|Wheelie]]: Autobot Wheelie

====Prefixes NOT required for trademark reasons====
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]: "Autobot Optimus Prime" for a single release of the ''[[Movie (toyline)|Movie]]'' Voyager Class toy with "battle damage" deco that was only available in Asia and from US-based online retailers. In this case, the "Autobot" prefix was probably only intended to distinguish this release from all the numerous other "Optimus Prime" toys from the ''Movie'' line.
*[[Reverb (Movie)|Reverb]]: "Decepticon Reverb" for the unreleased [[Target]] [[exclusive]] ''Movie'' Scout. This happened only two years after the release of the ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Recon Mini-Con Team|Shadow Recon Mini-Con Team]], which contained a toy named "[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]]" without a prefix. In 2009, a toy from the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' line was also named "[[Reverb (ROTF)|Reverb]]", again without a prefix.
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]: "Autobot Wheeljack" for the [[KB Toys]] exclusive "G1" [[Spy Changer|Spychanger]]... but only on the cardbacks of the entire Spychanger lineup. On the front side of his own card, he was simply named "Wheeljack", without a prefix.
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]: "Decepticon Sideways" for a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' two-pack with [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] that was released in Europe. Presumably, this was simply because "Decepticon Sideways" sounds better together with "Autobot Wheelie" than a mere "Sideways" without the prefix.

===TakaraTomy===
*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetas]]: Cybertron Cheetas
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Rod]]: Cybertron Hot Rod
*[[Inferno (disambiguation)|Inferno]]: Cybertron Inferno
*[[Octane|Octone]]: Destron Octone
*[[Perceptor (disambiguation)|Perceptor]]: Cybertron Perceptor
*[[Slingshot|Sling]]: Cybertron Sling
*[[Bluestreak|Streak]]: Cybertron Streak
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vorter]]: Destron Vorter
*[[Wildrider]]: Stuntron Wildrider

Oddly, while TakaraTomy's versions of the ''[[Movie (toyline)|Movie]]'' toys used the same names as their Hasbro counterparts, including "Autobot" and "Decepticon" prefixes, the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' line somewhat deviates from this formula: TakaraTomy dropped the "Autobot" prefix for [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Springer (ROTF)|Springer]] and the "Decepticon" prefix for [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], while adding ''more'' prefixes for toys whose Hasbro versions ''don't'' have prefixes:
*[[Blazemaster]]: Autobot Blazemaster
*[[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]: Autobot Breakaway
*[[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]]: Autobot Knock Out
*[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]: Decepticon Overload
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]: Decepticon Rampage
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]: Decepticon Mixmaster
{{Note|This applies to listings of these toys by online stores and in Japanese hobby magazines in Katakana. The English names on the packaging are unchanged from the Hasbro versions of those toys.}}

For the ''[[Device Label]]'' line, which falls into a different product category than "toys", TakaraTomy also needed prefixes for some names:
*[[Grimlock (disambiguation)|Grimlock]]: Device Grimlock
*[[Ravage (disambiguation)|Jaguar]]: Device Jaguar

==Notable/unusual cases==
{{note|This is not a list of every lost ''Transformers'' trademark ever, just some instances with unusual or interesting twists.}}
* As mentioned above, "Bumblebee" was unavailable to Hasbro for many years. The name was being used as a registered trademark by a company called Playcore for their "Buzz the Bumble Bee" swing as of 2003, and as Hasbro had not used the name for a toy since 1995, their case to contest was likely a weak one. The ''[[Super Collection Figure|Heroes of Cybertron]]'' PVC two-pack with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] was officially named "Autobot Espionage Team" for that reason, although the [[bio]] on the back of the packaging identified the two characters as "Bumblebee" and "Spike" (but without claiming them as trademarks). However, in March 2005, Hasbro tried to reclaim the trademark, due to its intended association with a principal character in the [[Transformers (2007)|big-deal live-action movie]] and its associated merchandise planned across a great many categories. However, the registration attempt was contested in July 2005, both by a production company named "Bumble Bee Productions, Inc." and by an online toy retailer named "Bumblebee Toys", both of which argued that the mark, as it was filed under the "toys" field, was too close to their own registered marks. Ultimately, Hasbro abandoned the registration attempt for "Bumblebee" in 2006 and simply decided to use the name as a "normal", non-registered trademark instead. The movie's release date being pushed back a year meant that the first "Bumblebee"-branded ''Transformers'' toys in over a decade were a 3" ''[[Titanium Series]]'' figure and a toy from the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' line. (Playcore, or more accurately, its subsidiary Swing-N-Slide no longer manufactures the "Buzz the Bumble Bee" swingset.<ref>[http://www.drillspot.com/products/291165/Swing-N-Slide_NE_4541_Buzz_Bumble_Bee_Swing Retailer site] mentioning the discontinuation. Also, said swing is no longer visible/available on Swing-N-Slide's official site.</ref>)

* "[[Bluestreak]]" is one of the most infamous cases of a name of a classic character being unavailable to Hasbro, since a company named Gendron, Inc. registered the name "Toledo 'Blue Streak'" in 2002. All toys based on the ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' Bluestreak character released since then are officially named "Silverstreak" instead. (Note that this does only affect Hasbro; while the character is traditionally known as simply "Streak" in Japan, [[TakaraTomy]] once released a blue [[redeco]] of the ''[[Alternators|Binaltech]]'' Streak toy, named "Bluestreak".)

* Next to Bluestreak, "[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]" is the most well-known case of a name unavailable to Hasbro. Mattel has registered various "confusingly similar" trademarks over the years, among them "Ho! Ho! Hot Rod", "Hot Rods" and "Hott Rodd". Hasbro's original substitute name for the ''[[Commemorative Series]]'' line of reissues was "Rodimus Major"; "[[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]]" was used for [[Energon (toyline)|Energon]] and then later also for the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' Deluxe toy and the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]] Legends toy; and the toy based on the ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]] character was called "Rodimus Minor".

* "[[Shockwave (disambiguation)|Shockwave]]" was temporarily lost to a company named Lanard Toys, Ltd—who actually used it in their ''The Corps!'' military figure series, direct competitors to Hasbro's ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]''. An ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' toy designed as an homage to ''Generation 1'' Shockwave was named "[[Shockblast (Energon)|Shockblast]]" instead, as was the ''[[Alternators]]'' toy. However, Lanard had abandoned the registration for the "Shockwave" trademark shortly prior to the release of the ''Alternators'' toy (too late to change the name on the packaging), so Hasbro seized the opportunity and slapped the name onto the next best [[Shockwave (Cybertron)|Mini-Con]] just to claim it back. They have since been able to use it for [[Shockwave (Animated)|other toys]] more closely based on the ''Generation 1'' character. Ironically, a figure from Hasbro's ''G.I. Joe 25th Anniversary'' line based on an older figure from 1988 named [http://www.yojoe.com/action/88/shockwave.shtml "Shockwave"] was released under the name [http://www.yojoe.com/action/08/shockblast.shtml "Shockblast"] in 2008, presumably either in an attempt to avoid brand confusion or maintain the "Shockblast" trademark. Either way, Hasbro apparently considers the name "Shockwave" more iconic for the ''Transformers'' character.

* In 2001, Hasbro trademarked "[[Skyfire (RID)|Skyfire]]" for use in the ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' line. However, at the same time, their competitor Mattel applied for a registered trademark on the name for a vehicle/accessory in their ''Max Steel'' toy line. Without any past usage to call on to contend Mattel's claim, Hasbro lost the trademark for "Skyfire" to the stronger registered claim within a very short time frame. This resulted in the name "[[Sky Blast]]", used first on an ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Mini-Con]], then for the ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Omnicon]] [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]], who is a clear [[homage]] to the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] character, "[[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]]".

* A particularly odd case: During the 1990s, another company held the "[[Sideswipe (disambiguation)|Sideswipe]]" trademark in the "toys" field, even though Hasbro still released [[Sideswipe (G1)|two toys]] using that name as part of the [[Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]] (it's unclear if this resulted in any legal repercussions for Hasbro). When Hasbro finally managed to reclaim the name for the [[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|''Robots in Disguise'' line]], the name was now parsed as "[[Side Swipe (RID)|Side Swipe]]", in two words, for whatever reason. The only two toys since then to spell "Sideswipe" as one word again were the [[OTFCC 2003]] [[exclusive]] and the [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'']] [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Super-Con]]. However, the [[cross-sell]] on the packaging for the OTFCC 2003 exclusive [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]]/[[Roulette]] two-pack referred to OTFCC Sideswipe as "Side Swipe", whereas a packaging variant for the Armada toy released as part of the "[[The Unicron Battles|Unicron Battles]]" [[subline imprint|refresh]] of the ''Armada'' line also saw the name changed to "Side Swipe". After many years' worth of "Side Swipe" toys, the ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 Universe]]'' Deluxe toy finally hailed the return of "Sideswipe" (as one word). Presumably, the (then planned) use of the name on a [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|character]] in the movie ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' was reason enough for Hasbro to apply for a second registration to get rid of that pesky extra space.

* In 2005, [[Fun Publications]] was forced to change the name of a [[BotCon 2005]] exclusive intended as an homage to ''Generation 1'' [[Outback]] to "Fallback". The Outback Steakhouse restaurant chain has successfully applied for "Outback" across a ''vast'' number of categories. Since Hasbro had not used the name for a product since 1993, there seems to be no way for them to wrest control of Outback Steakhouse's active claim to the mark without heavy modification - the "Outback" name was used for a 2008 exclusive ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' figure, as well as a forthcoming limited release, as "Stuart 'Outback' Selkirk." TFWiki.net then presumes it is only a matter of time until fans start clamoring for a figure of [[Judd Nelson|Judd "Hot Rod" Nelson]], although [[Casey_Kasem#Notes|Casey "Bluestreak" Kasem]] is still probably out of the question.

* Similar trademark problems affected other items in the BotCon 2005 set: notably, [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] began life as [[Moonracer]] until it was discovered Royal Treasury, LLC owned the "[http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=78095736 King Moonracer]" trademark for toys from the [[wikipedia:Rudolph_the_Red-Nosed_Reindeer_(TV_special)#The_Island_of_Misfit_Toys|Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer]] TV special. Unfortunately, Moonracer was already well into production when Fun Publications learned the name was unavailable, and due to the time involved in trademark searches, a suitably appropriate alternative could not be found. This necessitated the use of Chromia — reportedly their "third or fourth choice", but a name which ''had'' cleared legal.<ref>[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/e39fbfb4b4bd2b3a alt.toys.transformers post] by [[Lanny Lathem]] explaining the Moonracer/Chromia SNAFU.</ref> [[Brian Savage]] expressed particular vexation with this turn of events at the BotCon 2005 organizer's panel.

* According to Hasbro copy writer [[Forest Lee]] at [[BotCon 2006]], Hasbro's IP lawyers were initially skittish about using the name "[[Matrix of Leadership]]" on packaging for the 20th Anniversary version of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], as they were unaware of the history of the term "[[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]" within the brand, and feared confusion with the franchise surrounding the film, ''[[wikipedia:The_Matrix_(series)|The Matrix]]''. Although the lawyers were satisfied and allowed "Matrix" to be used in that instance, it appeared that some variation of the term "[[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]]" would supplant "Matrix" in future ''Transformers'' franchises, until ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' used "Matrix of Leadership" as a name for a MacGuffin (contradicting the writers' earlier statements that the Matrix would not appear in the live-action movies, and the All Spark would be a replacement for it). "All Spark" is, of course, an easier mark to defend because — unlike "matrix" — it is a contrived compound word that doesn't have any other meaning.

==Footnotes==
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==See Also==
* [[Transformers names in other Hasbro lines]]
* [[Blastification]]

==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark Trademarks at Wikipedia]
* [http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmep/1400.htm#_Toc536248429 US Trademark & Patent Office]
*[http://www.tfarchive.com/toys/trademarks/g1_trademarks_intro.php Extensive article about Transformers-related trademarks at TFArchive.com]

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Talk:Singularity Ablyss

2010-09-09T17:17:57Z

168.30.245.144: New page: So, uh, I guess we should mark out all that "This is totally like the Divine Comedy" and put in a bit of "This is pretty much lifted whole cloth from Kabbalah", huh? (hx at work)

So, uh, I guess we should mark out all that "This is totally like the Divine Comedy" and put in a bit of "This is pretty much lifted whole cloth from Kabbalah", huh? (hx at work)

Double Clutch (PCC)

2010-08-30T19:50:51Z

168.30.245.144: -hx at work, not logged in. Hi.

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{{disambig2|the Power Core Combiners character|the Generation 2 character|Double Clutch (G2)}}

:''Double Clutch is an [[Autobot]] [[Commander (PCC)|Commander]] from ''[[Power Core Combiners]]''.''

[[Image:Double Clutch Collage.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Rally round the <s>wagon</s> sedan, boys!]]
'''Double Clutch''' has always been a master of diversionary tactics. His entire team is built around the idea of confusing and disrupting [[Decepticon]] operations. The speed and noise of the [[Rallybot]]s alone is enough to strain any robot’s sensors. Add to that all the electronic countermeasures built into the team, and the Rallybots become the single greatest threat to [[Decepticon]] strategy.

==Toys==
===Power Core Combiners===
*'''Double Clutch with Rallybots''' (Commander Class, 2010)
: Part of the second wave of ''Power Core Combiners'' 5-Packs, Double Clutch is a Scout-sized muscle car. His drones, the Rallybots, can automatically transform from vehicle to limb using [[Automorph Technology]] when clipped onto Double Clutch. When detached, they transform back to vehicle mode.

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