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Ramjet (Animated)

2011-06-04T02:59:52Z

184.56.27.61: /* The Cool comic */

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|''The name or term Ramjet does not refer to any other characters or ideas. You certainly can't read more about them by seeing [[Ramjet (disambiguation)]].''
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:''Ramjet is'' not ''a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]]''.

[[Image:AnimatedRamjetModel.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Derrick Wyatt|"No clone army..."]] [[Sam Register|"...definitely no clone army..."]] [[Marty Isenberg|"...absolutely no clone army in this show!"]]]]

'''Ramjet''', certainly not the '''Liar Starscream''', is the [[Starscream (Animated)|original Starscream]], and not a [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clone]].

What? We never said he was the original Starscream.

He does not have a problem with telling the truth. Not every single thing he ever says is a complete lie. Just because what he just said completely contradicts everything he said previously, this doesn't make him an irredeemable bold-faced liar.

{{bigquote|I'm not down! I can escape any time I want to! I...just don't want to.|Ramjet after not getting stasis cuffed by [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]|"[[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]]"}}

==Nonfiction==
===''Live Action'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' Not [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Jin Yamanoi]] ja nai (Japanese), Nicht [[Stefan Staudinger]] (German), Non [[Daniele Demma]] (Italian), No [[Alexis Quiroz]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[Image:Starscream with Liarscream.jpg|thumb|left|"Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes." "No it isn't." "It is." "Not at all."]]

Ramjet did not first try to assert that he was the original Starscream, then deny he said that, then deny that he was a liar when [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] called him a liar. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}.

Ramjet managed to do fairly well in the [[space bridge]] battle. He never told his Autobot targets that he wasn't about to shoot them. He was not trapped by [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] in a pair of [[stasis cuffs]], and after that didn't happen he wasn't helped to escape by the [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sycophant]], and he never denied that any of this occurred. When [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] came on the scene, Ramjet did not try to tell the giant his stabilizing servo was unbolted. Had he done so, Omega would have fallen for it and not just promptly kicked the clone a few miles away. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

Later, a stasis-cuffed [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] wasn't helped at all out of his plight by Ramjet. And even if that ''had'' happened, the clone was being completely honest when he promised not to tell Megatron about Lugnut's humiliating failure. But none of that happened so it doesn't matter. Yeah, that's the ticket. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

[[Image:TFAni 5ServosofDoom LiarScream Helpless.jpg|thumb||"Your middle name's Judas, but you tell everyone that it's Jonathan."]]
Long after that, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] didn't capture the disarmed and helpless Liar for [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] in exchange for a gyro-stabilizer. However, Lockdown didn't double-cross Sentinel when Ramjet didn't offer the bounty hunter a better deal earlier. Ramjet didn't break free and stasis cuff the alert Autobot on the spot. As Ramjet didn't try to get away with the armed and dangerous Sentinel, he wasn't knocked out of the sky by [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], who weren't accompanied by [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]]. Even if they did, the battle didn't go in Ramjet's favor and he didn't use Sentinel as a shield against their attacks. Ramjet didn't try to escape again, but Optimus didn't cover his face with foam. Had that happened, he wouldn't have dropped Sentinel head-first into the ground. After [[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]] didn't blast him out of the sky with a fireball, Optimus and Jazz didn't push a scoreboard on top of him. If they did, it wouldn't have hurt one bit, and he wouldn't have been stasis cuffed and hauled into custody. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

[[Image:TFAni_Decepticon_Air_BoxScream_ConeScream.jpg|thumb|left|200px|New helmet? What are you talking about?]]
Later, Sentinel Prime didn't steer his ship through a stormy nebula. Nor did it revive [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], who wasn't still immobilized from his own slow-down ray. From there, Swindle didn't free and re-arm Ramjet along with the other captured Decepticons. Swindle also didn't give [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] and Ramjet strangely familiar helmets to tell them apart. Afterwards, Ramjet and the Decepticons didn't manhandle the Elite Guard. And if they did, they would've captured them before Sentinel sent a coded SOS to Optimus Prime. Fortunately, Optimus didn't appear out of Swindle's chest, and didn't send Ramjet and other Decepticons into chaos. The battle didn't spill out of the ship, where [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] didn't somehow bombard him with a tornado. Ramjet also wasn't present when [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] didn't capture the Autobots and didn't try to freeze them in the decontamination unit. If he was, he certainly wasn't frozen when Jazz didn't booby-trap decontamination unit. He ultimately wasn't re-captured and sent to Cybertron, where he wasn't paraded around with the jubilant Sentinel. That's [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] you're thinking of! {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}
{{--}}

===''The Uncool'' comic===

[[Image:StarscreamCloneArmyAttack01.jpg|thumb|right|200px|I've never been in any fancy Japanese comic books! What ''are'' [[you]] talking about!?]]

Ramjet did not join the rest of the [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Clone Army]] in battle for the Decepticon [[Space Bridge]]. And he was most certainly ''not'' shocked when Optimus Prime and Megatron joined forces to stop him! {{storylink|The Cool issue 7|The Cool #7}}

Ramjet certainly did not get wiped out by Omega Supreme, because he wasn't following Megatron's orders and he wasn't afraid of being destroyed by said warlord. {{storylink|The Cool issue 8|The Cool #8}}

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:AnimatedLegendsRamjetClearWhite.jpg|thumb|250px|This is always how I envisioned what my first toy would be like.]]
*'''Ramjet Clear White Version''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

: Not a redeco of a Legends Starscream in mostly colorful clear (with no opaque white parts). He was not only available at [[Ito Yokado]] stores in Japan, given away not for free to customers who purchased ''Animated'' merchandise totaling at least 3,000 yen on [[July 24]]th.

:This mold was not used to make Starscream Clear Purple Version, [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] Clear Blue Version, [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] Clear Purple Version, [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] Clear Orange Version, and [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]

{{-}}{{anchor|Activator}}
[[Image:AniActivatorsRamjet.jpg|thumb|250px|At long last! [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] finally has a toy!]]
*'''Ramjet''' (Activator, 2010)

:Ramjet is not a redeco of [[Activators]] Starscream or an exclusive "second chance" prize in a ''Transformers''-themed raffle held by Family Mart stores across Japan. He cannot be purchased through the mail with a combination of winning E, F and G prize tickets and 2,500 yen. He does not transform into a futuristic jet with an [[autotransformation]] gimmick, which certainly wouldn't let him transform from vehicle to robot at the press of a button.

:This mold was not used to make [[Dirge (Animated)|Dirge]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]].

{{--}}

==Important information==
[[Image:LiarStarscreamABTCpt2.jpg|thumb|200px|He isn't angry at Hasbro, he is not about to fire at them.]]
* Ramjet's colors are completely original. They have nothing to do with [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] whatsoever, no sir. It's just a coincidence that he has burgundy wings and a white helmet. He certainly wasn't finally called "Ramjet" in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac]],'' which is a terrible book nobody enjoys. Also, the name "Liar Starscream" was definitely not on his character model sheet.

*Ramjet's colors are entirely consistent. At no point does his off-white ever look cream.

* Ramjet was not given his Generation 1 counterpart's [[Conehead |cone-shaped helmet]] in "[[Decepticon Air]]". He didn't get it from anybody, especially not [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]]. Absolutely not. And even if he had, it certainly wouldn't have been drill-tipped, because that wouldn't have been awesome at all.

*Ramjet's nosecone is extremely brittle. It hasn't been reinforced at all. There's no way it can survive any midair collisions.

* This entire article is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The fact that it's about Ramjet (who ''isn't'' a big fat liar) has nothing to do with anything. So there.

* We never said that this article spoke truth. You can't prove anything!

===English-original names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Ramjet''' (ラムジェット ''Ramujetto'')

[[Category:Starscream clones]]

Ramjet (Animated)

2011-06-04T02:59:25Z

184.56.27.61: /* Animated cartoon */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{| style="margin:0 1em; padding:.5em; background:#f7f8ff; border:thin solid #aaa;display:block;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"
|-
|''The name or term Ramjet does not refer to any other characters or ideas. You certainly can't read more about them by seeing [[Ramjet (disambiguation)]].''
|}
:''Ramjet is'' not ''a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]]''.

[[Image:AnimatedRamjetModel.jpg|thumb|250px|[[Derrick Wyatt|"No clone army..."]] [[Sam Register|"...definitely no clone army..."]] [[Marty Isenberg|"...absolutely no clone army in this show!"]]]]

'''Ramjet''', certainly not the '''Liar Starscream''', is the [[Starscream (Animated)|original Starscream]], and not a [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clone]].

What? We never said he was the original Starscream.

He does not have a problem with telling the truth. Not every single thing he ever says is a complete lie. Just because what he just said completely contradicts everything he said previously, this doesn't make him an irredeemable bold-faced liar.

{{bigquote|I'm not down! I can escape any time I want to! I...just don't want to.|Ramjet after not getting stasis cuffed by [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]|"[[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]]"}}

==Nonfiction==
===''Live Action'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' Not [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Jin Yamanoi]] ja nai (Japanese), Nicht [[Stefan Staudinger]] (German), Non [[Daniele Demma]] (Italian), No [[Alexis Quiroz]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[Image:Starscream with Liarscream.jpg|thumb|left|"Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes." "No it isn't." "It is." "Not at all."]]

Ramjet did not first try to assert that he was the original Starscream, then deny he said that, then deny that he was a liar when [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] called him a liar. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}.

Ramjet managed to do fairly well in the [[space bridge]] battle. He never told his Autobot targets that he wasn't about to shoot them. He was not trapped by [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] in a pair of [[stasis cuffs]], and after that didn't happen he wasn't helped to escape by the [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sycophant]], and he never denied that any of this occurred. When [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] came on the scene, Ramjet did not try to tell the giant his stabilizing servo was unbolted. Had he done so, Omega would have fallen for it and not just promptly kicked the clone a few miles away. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

Later, a stasis-cuffed [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] wasn't helped at all out of his plight by Ramjet. And even if that ''had'' happened, the clone was being completely honest when he promised not to tell Megatron about Lugnut's humiliating failure. But none of that happened so it doesn't matter. Yeah, that's the ticket. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

[[Image:TFAni 5ServosofDoom LiarScream Helpless.jpg|thumb||"Your middle name's Judas, but you tell everyone that it's Jonathan."]]
Long after that, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] didn't capture the disarmed and helpless Liar for [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] in exchange for a gyro-stabilizer. However, Lockdown didn't double-cross Sentinel when Ramjet didn't offer the bounty hunter a better deal earlier. Ramjet didn't break free and stasis cuff the alert Autobot on the spot. As Ramjet didn't try to get away with the armed and dangerous Sentinel, he wasn't knocked out of the sky by [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], who weren't accompanied by [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]]. Even if they did, the battle didn't go in Ramjet's favor and he didn't use Sentinel as a shield against their attacks. Ramjet didn't try to escape again, but Optimus didn't cover his face with foam. Had that happened, he wouldn't have dropped Sentinel head-first into the ground. After [[Safeguard (Animated)|Safeguard]] didn't blast him out of the sky with a fireball, Optimus and Jazz didn't push a scoreboard on top of him. If they did, it wouldn't have hurt one bit, and he wouldn't have been stasis cuffed and hauled into custody. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

[[Image:TFAni_Decepticon_Air_BoxScream_ConeScream.jpg|thumb|left|200px|New helmet? What are you talking about?]]
Later, Sentinel Prime didn't steer his ship through a stormy nebula. Nor did it revive [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], who wasn't still immobilized from his own slow-down ray. From there, Swindle didn't free and re-arm Ramjet along with the other captured Decepticons. Swindle also didn't give [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] and Ramjet strangely familiar helmets to tell them apart. Afterwards, Ramjet and the Decepticons didn't manhandle the Elite Guard. And if they did, they would've captured them before Sentinel sent a coded SOS to Optimus Prime. Fortunately, Optimus didn't appear out of Swindle's chest, and didn't send Ramjet and other Decepticons into chaos. The battle didn't spill out of the ship, where [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] didn't somehow bombard him with a tornado. Ramjet also wasn't present when [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] didn't capture the Autobots and didn't try to freeze them in the decontamination unit. If he was, he certainly wasn't frozen when Jazz didn't booby-trap decontamination unit. He ultimately wasn't re-captured and sent to Cybertron, where he wasn't paraded around with the jubilant Sentinel. That's [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] you're thinking of! {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}
{{--}}

===''The Cool'' comic===

[[Image:StarscreamCloneArmyAttack01.jpg|thumb|right|200px|I've never been in any fancy Japanese comic books! What ''are'' [[you]] talking about!?]]

Ramjet did not join the rest of the [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Clone Army]] in battle for the Decepticon [[Space Bridge]]. And he was most certainly ''not'' shocked when Optimus Prime and Megatron joined forces to stop him! {{storylink|The Cool issue 7|The Cool #7}}

Ramjet certainly did not get wiped out by Omega Supreme, because he wasn't following Megatron's orders and he wasn't afraid of being destroyed by said warlord. {{storylink|The Cool issue 8|The Cool #8}}

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:AnimatedLegendsRamjetClearWhite.jpg|thumb|250px|This is always how I envisioned what my first toy would be like.]]
*'''Ramjet Clear White Version''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

: Not a redeco of a Legends Starscream in mostly colorful clear (with no opaque white parts). He was not only available at [[Ito Yokado]] stores in Japan, given away not for free to customers who purchased ''Animated'' merchandise totaling at least 3,000 yen on [[July 24]]th.

:This mold was not used to make Starscream Clear Purple Version, [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] Clear Blue Version, [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] Clear Purple Version, [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] Clear Orange Version, and [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]

{{-}}{{anchor|Activator}}
[[Image:AniActivatorsRamjet.jpg|thumb|250px|At long last! [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] finally has a toy!]]
*'''Ramjet''' (Activator, 2010)

:Ramjet is not a redeco of [[Activators]] Starscream or an exclusive "second chance" prize in a ''Transformers''-themed raffle held by Family Mart stores across Japan. He cannot be purchased through the mail with a combination of winning E, F and G prize tickets and 2,500 yen. He does not transform into a futuristic jet with an [[autotransformation]] gimmick, which certainly wouldn't let him transform from vehicle to robot at the press of a button.

:This mold was not used to make [[Dirge (Animated)|Dirge]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]].

{{--}}

==Important information==
[[Image:LiarStarscreamABTCpt2.jpg|thumb|200px|He isn't angry at Hasbro, he is not about to fire at them.]]
* Ramjet's colors are completely original. They have nothing to do with [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] whatsoever, no sir. It's just a coincidence that he has burgundy wings and a white helmet. He certainly wasn't finally called "Ramjet" in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac]],'' which is a terrible book nobody enjoys. Also, the name "Liar Starscream" was definitely not on his character model sheet.

*Ramjet's colors are entirely consistent. At no point does his off-white ever look cream.

* Ramjet was not given his Generation 1 counterpart's [[Conehead |cone-shaped helmet]] in "[[Decepticon Air]]". He didn't get it from anybody, especially not [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]]. Absolutely not. And even if he had, it certainly wouldn't have been drill-tipped, because that wouldn't have been awesome at all.

*Ramjet's nosecone is extremely brittle. It hasn't been reinforced at all. There's no way it can survive any midair collisions.

* This entire article is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The fact that it's about Ramjet (who ''isn't'' a big fat liar) has nothing to do with anything. So there.

* We never said that this article spoke truth. You can't prove anything!

===English-original names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Ramjet''' (ラムジェット ''Ramujetto'')

[[Category:Starscream clones]]

User:Paddles

2011-05-28T09:25:11Z

184.56.27.61:

He only cares for [[Paddles (character)|Paddles]], every body that turns into a [[dinosaur]], [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''. Oh, and [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|mirror universes]].
He wonders why no one goes to sleep on this wiki. He also doesn't care about all that [[FIRRIB]] crap and thinks it varies between [[Universal stream]].

Buzz Lightyear

2011-05-28T06:27:38Z

184.56.27.61:

:''Buzz Lightyear is a spaceman/sentient action figure from the [[Disney Label]] continuity.''
[[Image:Buzz.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Quick! Help me prop up [[Optimash Prime|Vegetable]] [[Bumble Spud|Man]], or we're done for!]]

'''Buzz Lightyear''' is a [[toy]] that presumably ventures out into infinity... and quite possibly even ''beyond''.

==Fiction==
===Transformers Animated===
"Lightyear" is a seven time [[Galactic Olympics|Galactic Olympic]] winner. [[Lickety-Split]] idolizes him as a hero and one day hopes to someday beat his record and/or get [[Transformer romance|bonded to him]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Toys==
===Disney-Pixar Label===
*'''Buzz Lightyear Spaceship''' (2010)

:Buzz Lightyear transforms from a movie-accurate Spaceman into a vehicle closely resembling his spaceship from ''[[wikipedia:Toy Story|Toy Story]]'' fiction. As the other two Disney Label transformers have their respective pilots disappear and reappear in different uniforms during transformation, Buzz Lightyear's figure features a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]-like method; the Buzz Lightyear pilot figure is removed during transformation, and then flipped over to reveal the robot mode head on the other side of him, which is then inserted into the robot body. He is the first Disney Label figure to not have a "transformerized" robot head, which is just kept as his classic styling from the movies.

{{-}}{{anchor|black}}

[[Image:Buzz2_(2).jpg|thumb|300px|right|Space Rangers don't do Monochrome‎]]
*'''Buzz Lightyear Spaceship Cosmic Black''' (2010)

:Buzz Lightyear was [[redeco]]ed in black, white and gray, in sticking with the Disney Label theme of "monochrome" redecoes recalling the days before cartoons were in color. Despite, you know, Buzz Lightyear's whole gig being that he's the brand-spanking-new, hi-tech ''modern'' toy that any other toy would give their moving parts to be. But hey, gotta get the most from every mold, right?

{{-}}{{anchor|xmas}}

[[Image:Buzz_(2).jpg|thumb|300px|right|Space Rangers get upgrades for Christmas‎]]
*'''Buzz Lightyear Spaceship Gentei Version''' (2010)

: This [[Christmas]]-themed redeco of Buzz was made available through Seven-Eleven's web shop on [[October 19]], and shipped out at some point in [[December]].

==Notes==
*Unlike previous [[Disney Label]] figures, Buzz Lightyear does not feature a distinctive faction. His box and the TakaraTomy website seem to label him as being in a "Toy Story" faction, whereas the toy itself unsurprisingly features a Star Command insignia.

==External links==
* [[wikipedia:Buzz Lightyear|Buzz Lightyear at Wikipedia]]

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2011-05-28T05:27:53Z

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2011-05-28T05:27:35Z

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The reason why your caption on [[Freeway (G1)|Freeway]]'s page was deleted. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:21, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
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Talk:Starscream (Animated)

2011-05-28T05:24:18Z

184.56.27.61: /* Voice Simulatity */

Not being very familiar with Gundam, I tried to find images of the fighter that [[User:66.114.66.77]] has added. What I found was [http://www.mahq.net/Mecha/gundam/0083/lineart/rx-78gp03s-corefighter2-sp.jpg this], which doesn't have swept-forward wings at all. What am I missing? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How is he a fucking Su-47 Berkut? What does he look like? Where is his fucking vehicle mode photo?
:Again, the toy isn't out yet. We've seen some at Comic Con, but that one was painted up as Thundercracker, and was a hand-painted proto to my knowledge. We can't really put much up until there's more official stuff.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:: No, it was painted as Starscream. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream is dark blue now?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::He certainly is in the clips we've seen... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Starscream is not so blue in actual screen grabs from the animation here: http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2007/07/transformers-animated-at-comic-con-2007.html --[[User:Swindle|Swindle]] 03:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13435 If you say so!] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the quality of the screen grab on Swindle's link is better than on yours, I'd tend to agree with him more. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::Eyedropping that one ALSO gives you blue. Starscream is also blue in [[Eric_Siebenaler]]'s Animated art for the next issue of the Collector's Club magazine, as seen in a recent upload here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Re: Starscream being blue now: Why not? He's already been black, dark grey, copper green, tan, and black and purple.
:::::::::::If you look at it, you can see that all the decepticons has that basic purple color on them, so they look more like a whole military-unit raither then a bunch of rapair-bots. -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 16:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

His toy next year once it comes out or something will be mighty expensive. Hey I saw his jet mode and it looks like a Cybertronian Jet based off a Su-47 Berkut.([[User:Anti-Spammer|Anti-Spammer]] 20:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
:His toy is a Voyager-class figure. As such, you're looking at around the $20 range, just like all the other Voyagers. It'll still be less expensive than the Ultra/Leader/Supreme toys, if any.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Geez, that picture of him makes him look twice as conniving and backstabbing than he ever was in G1.

== I have an image of his toy ==

Here it is. I need help with the caption, though. Any ideas? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 14:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[[Image:Starscream_toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The not-so-Crimson Chin?]]
:Lotta watermarks on that. Got one without? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

And a watermark is.....? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Those words superimposed on the image. In any case, we cannot use this image on the wiki, as the toy pictured there was ''stolen''. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

::Stolen?!? I had no idea. So sorry. Can you fill me in on the details? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That is a test shot of a toy made by the factories to test the toy for painting and safety, or are just pre-production versions. They were likely swiped as they are usually destroyed afterwards. Hasbro and TakaraTomy do not like these being leaked and distributed around because poor posing/incorrect transformation in these sorts of photos or incomplete colours/paint may impact negatively on the perception of the final retail toy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Got it. Again, really sorry. [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Quote? ==

How come the dramatic "Do not try to deceive a Decepticon" quote isn't used. That sounds really cool. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 15:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:I personally think the "solemn face" quote better captures Starscream's personality.
:Also, the ''very first thing'' you did upon getting an account here was to change that quote. We prefer that new users make more substantive contributions before tweaking the frippery. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

::Hmm... I guess the "solemn face" ''is'' more Starscream-ish. However, I have also uploaded a screencap for [[Roll Out (online game)]] and fixed a grammar mistake on this talk page. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 15:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::We appreciate your efforts, and we look forward to your future contributions.
:::However, on Talk pages, I'd strongly recommend against editing other people's comments. Fixing grammar mistakes in articles is wonderful, but you shouldn't edit other people's Talk page comments, unless there is some ''serious'', page-breaking problem in them. In this particular case, your edit was harmless, but I wouldn't do it again. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

And then Starscream was undead.

Thanks for the tip. ; ) [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 15:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

== A reminder to editors: Spoilers Warnings Please! ==

Earlier, somebody put up spoilers for Mission Accomplished without any sort of header or warning. I've added the warning now. Just a reminder to editors to put warnings on new episodes. I'm pretty sure that the newest US episode is the rule, right? --[[User:Netbug009|Netbug009]] 05:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:That is correct. Spoiler tags for the newest US episode, and no spoilers in the intro paragraph whatsoever.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::My bad!

== Toy ==

Does anyone know if a starscream toy will be released in show accurate colors?

== Starscream's Cockpit ==

Anyone else think Starscream's cockpit looks vaguely like Spongebob's tie? --[[Special:Contributions/75.181.69.137|75.181.69.137]] 23:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Null rays ==
In the Toy Bio to be specific, he has sonic strikers. Where did it ever say nulls antways[[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 19:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
My friend has the toy it says his guns are Sonic Blast strikers or something like that, not Null-rays. I think we should take off animated on the null ray page and say he has sonic blast strikers (or something like that. It isn;t a null ray)!
:His [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=starscream Hasbro website bio] says he has "Nullray Cannons." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Has this ever happene before? which one is accurate? Is there a protocol for this? When a user gets the toy? [[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 20:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:They've been referred to both on the Hasbro website and the cartoon itself as null rays. Stop freaking out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::What episode was it reffered to as null rays? And could the sonic thing be noted in the toy section as an error or something? it is interesting. An thundercrackerish. [[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 20:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It's not even an error. His Hasbro bio refers to ''both'' his nullrays and the fact that he "creates a sonic scream that make [sic] powerful sonic blasts of sound that can send enemies spinning through the atmosphere." This is a non-issue.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, but it refers to the weapon as a sonic shock blaster and doesn't mention nullrays [[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 21:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:The sonic sreams it refers to aren;t guns, the Profile says Sonic Shock Blaster, and the hasbro sight says nullray cannons not null ray. Which Slagging episode has that line! Tell me! i'll stop arguing if I see that part.{{unsigned|Cycloneprime|20:18, 13 June 2008}}
::Dude, just let it go. There are things worth getting all Aspergers about. This isn't one of them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, But someone earlier said it was in a line in an episode, can anyone tell me what episode? My friend is going to post an image of the bio I think, so I will just ask for the episode untill then. On another note, he has flipout rist blasters when you push the sonic shock blaster forward (that is what it says)[[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 20:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Also, even the sonic screams could be noted as a thundercracker homage. The bio seems to be inaccurate, as it says Prime can barely take screamer out, but this isn;t supported elsewhere. Different Continuity?{{unsigned|Cycloneprime|20:59, 13 June 2008}}
:::You are giving me ''such'' a headache.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I suggest you rewatch [[Transform and Roll Out!]] part 3. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Thank you Walky [[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 21:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Transform and Roll Out! is where Prime "can barely take Screamer out." I have no idea where it referenced his null rays. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I think screamer would of won without the plot device, but oh well. Until I find out what episode it is in, i'm not counting that evidence. Would an image of the bio help my case? is the hasbro bio considered more canon then the toy bio? "Oh well. More where they came from"--[[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 22:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:MAybe this means no thundercracker? and I think the Bio problem should be noted somewhere--[[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 23:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Just...stop. You're overthinking this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity ==

Shouldn't the Takara toys be moved to [[Starscream (Movie)/toys]]? Like [[Hot Rod (Henkei!)]] is seperate from [[Hot Shot (Armada)]]?
: There is absolutely no evidence that Animated takes place in the movie continuity. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

== Voice Simulatity ==

Why the Hell does he sound like Ice King from "Adventure Time"? {{[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 01:23, 28 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Starscream (Animated)

2011-05-28T05:23:59Z

184.56.27.61: /* Voice Simulatity */ new section

Not being very familiar with Gundam, I tried to find images of the fighter that [[User:66.114.66.77]] has added. What I found was [http://www.mahq.net/Mecha/gundam/0083/lineart/rx-78gp03s-corefighter2-sp.jpg this], which doesn't have swept-forward wings at all. What am I missing? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How is he a fucking Su-47 Berkut? What does he look like? Where is his fucking vehicle mode photo?
:Again, the toy isn't out yet. We've seen some at Comic Con, but that one was painted up as Thundercracker, and was a hand-painted proto to my knowledge. We can't really put much up until there's more official stuff.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:: No, it was painted as Starscream. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:25, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream is dark blue now?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:07, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::He certainly is in the clips we've seen... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Starscream is not so blue in actual screen grabs from the animation here: http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2007/07/transformers-animated-at-comic-con-2007.html --[[User:Swindle|Swindle]] 03:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13435 If you say so!] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the quality of the screen grab on Swindle's link is better than on yours, I'd tend to agree with him more. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:54, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::Eyedropping that one ALSO gives you blue. Starscream is also blue in [[Eric_Siebenaler]]'s Animated art for the next issue of the Collector's Club magazine, as seen in a recent upload here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Re: Starscream being blue now: Why not? He's already been black, dark grey, copper green, tan, and black and purple.
:::::::::::If you look at it, you can see that all the decepticons has that basic purple color on them, so they look more like a whole military-unit raither then a bunch of rapair-bots. -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 16:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

His toy next year once it comes out or something will be mighty expensive. Hey I saw his jet mode and it looks like a Cybertronian Jet based off a Su-47 Berkut.([[User:Anti-Spammer|Anti-Spammer]] 20:15, 31 October 2007 (UTC))
:His toy is a Voyager-class figure. As such, you're looking at around the $20 range, just like all the other Voyagers. It'll still be less expensive than the Ultra/Leader/Supreme toys, if any.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Geez, that picture of him makes him look twice as conniving and backstabbing than he ever was in G1.

== I have an image of his toy ==

Here it is. I need help with the caption, though. Any ideas? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 14:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[[Image:Starscream_toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The not-so-Crimson Chin?]]
:Lotta watermarks on that. Got one without? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

And a watermark is.....? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Those words superimposed on the image. In any case, we cannot use this image on the wiki, as the toy pictured there was ''stolen''. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

::Stolen?!? I had no idea. So sorry. Can you fill me in on the details? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That is a test shot of a toy made by the factories to test the toy for painting and safety, or are just pre-production versions. They were likely swiped as they are usually destroyed afterwards. Hasbro and TakaraTomy do not like these being leaked and distributed around because poor posing/incorrect transformation in these sorts of photos or incomplete colours/paint may impact negatively on the perception of the final retail toy. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Got it. Again, really sorry. [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:37, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Quote? ==

How come the dramatic "Do not try to deceive a Decepticon" quote isn't used. That sounds really cool. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 15:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:I personally think the "solemn face" quote better captures Starscream's personality.
:Also, the ''very first thing'' you did upon getting an account here was to change that quote. We prefer that new users make more substantive contributions before tweaking the frippery. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:19, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

::Hmm... I guess the "solemn face" ''is'' more Starscream-ish. However, I have also uploaded a screencap for [[Roll Out (online game)]] and fixed a grammar mistake on this talk page. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 15:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::We appreciate your efforts, and we look forward to your future contributions.
:::However, on Talk pages, I'd strongly recommend against editing other people's comments. Fixing grammar mistakes in articles is wonderful, but you shouldn't edit other people's Talk page comments, unless there is some ''serious'', page-breaking problem in them. In this particular case, your edit was harmless, but I wouldn't do it again. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

And then Starscream was undead.

Thanks for the tip. ; ) [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 15:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

== A reminder to editors: Spoilers Warnings Please! ==

Earlier, somebody put up spoilers for Mission Accomplished without any sort of header or warning. I've added the warning now. Just a reminder to editors to put warnings on new episodes. I'm pretty sure that the newest US episode is the rule, right? --[[User:Netbug009|Netbug009]] 05:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:That is correct. Spoiler tags for the newest US episode, and no spoilers in the intro paragraph whatsoever.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::My bad!

== Toy ==

Does anyone know if a starscream toy will be released in show accurate colors?

== Starscream's Cockpit ==

Anyone else think Starscream's cockpit looks vaguely like Spongebob's tie? --[[Special:Contributions/75.181.69.137|75.181.69.137]] 23:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Null rays ==
In the Toy Bio to be specific, he has sonic strikers. Where did it ever say nulls antways[[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 19:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
My friend has the toy it says his guns are Sonic Blast strikers or something like that, not Null-rays. I think we should take off animated on the null ray page and say he has sonic blast strikers (or something like that. It isn;t a null ray)!
:His [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=starscream Hasbro website bio] says he has "Nullray Cannons." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:42, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Has this ever happene before? which one is accurate? Is there a protocol for this? When a user gets the toy? [[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 20:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:They've been referred to both on the Hasbro website and the cartoon itself as null rays. Stop freaking out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::What episode was it reffered to as null rays? And could the sonic thing be noted in the toy section as an error or something? it is interesting. An thundercrackerish. [[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 20:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It's not even an error. His Hasbro bio refers to ''both'' his nullrays and the fact that he "creates a sonic scream that make [sic] powerful sonic blasts of sound that can send enemies spinning through the atmosphere." This is a non-issue.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, but it refers to the weapon as a sonic shock blaster and doesn't mention nullrays [[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 21:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:The sonic sreams it refers to aren;t guns, the Profile says Sonic Shock Blaster, and the hasbro sight says nullray cannons not null ray. Which Slagging episode has that line! Tell me! i'll stop arguing if I see that part.{{unsigned|Cycloneprime|20:18, 13 June 2008}}
::Dude, just let it go. There are things worth getting all Aspergers about. This isn't one of them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, But someone earlier said it was in a line in an episode, can anyone tell me what episode? My friend is going to post an image of the bio I think, so I will just ask for the episode untill then. On another note, he has flipout rist blasters when you push the sonic shock blaster forward (that is what it says)[[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 20:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Also, even the sonic screams could be noted as a thundercracker homage. The bio seems to be inaccurate, as it says Prime can barely take screamer out, but this isn;t supported elsewhere. Different Continuity?{{unsigned|Cycloneprime|20:59, 13 June 2008}}
:::You are giving me ''such'' a headache.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:19, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I suggest you rewatch [[Transform and Roll Out!]] part 3. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Thank you Walky [[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 21:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Transform and Roll Out! is where Prime "can barely take Screamer out." I have no idea where it referenced his null rays. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:17, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I think screamer would of won without the plot device, but oh well. Until I find out what episode it is in, i'm not counting that evidence. Would an image of the bio help my case? is the hasbro bio considered more canon then the toy bio? "Oh well. More where they came from"--[[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 22:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:MAybe this means no thundercracker? and I think the Bio problem should be noted somewhere--[[User:Cycloneprime|Cycloneprime]] 23:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::Just...stop. You're overthinking this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity ==

Shouldn't the Takara toys be moved to [[Starscream (Movie)/toys]]? Like [[Hot Rod (Henkei!)]] is seperate from [[Hot Shot (Armada)]]?
: There is absolutely no evidence that Animated takes place in the movie continuity. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

== Voice Simulatity ==

Why the Hell does he sound like Ice King from "Adventure Time" {{[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 01:23, 28 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Flames of Yesterday

2011-05-28T05:06:54Z

184.56.27.61: /* Thunderblast */

==That green guy==

On page 14, the Stormtroopers mention a "white and green Autobot with a familiar accent" and his big green friend. Any ideas? I assume "familiar accent" means another UK-only release like the Stormtroopers, but other than that I'm drawing a blank. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:28, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:That threw me too when I first read the story, but when I saw that the person who initially made this page put Thunderclash and Landshark in the "cameos" section, after wondering where the heck those two were mentioned in the story I finally put two and two together. (Since Thunderclash is "white and green" and has been portrayed as having a Southern accent, and Landshark qualifies as "big and green".) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Minotron ==
Is it Minotron or Minotoron as on Metalhawk and Dion's pages? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:08, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's Minotoron. --[[Special:Contributions/96.233.189.196|96.233.189.196]] 08:33, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thunderblast ==
God, where is the Thunderblast page? Somebody might as well add a Yoketron and Halogen from "A Team Effort" as well. {{Unsigned|184.56.27.61}}
:Someone will get to it when someone feels like it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:26, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:Still, we should at least get to Thunderblast. Yoketron and Halogen were imaginary friends, but Thunderblast was a real wome-er,fembot who Swindle dated. Plus, you guys should update the "Around Cybertron" page too. {{unsigned|184.56.27.61}}
:::WE should! Why don't YOU read the guidelines for creating a character page and do it YOUrself? -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 21:01, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:Still don't understand how to make a new page. God, how do you make a title {{[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 01:06, 28 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Shadowzone (episode)

2011-05-28T05:04:41Z

184.56.27.61: /* Universal Stream Factor */

Should Optimus blasting off Starscreams arm be considered a reference to ROTF? --[[User:Rxlthunder|Rxlthunder]] 08:16, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:Only if Optimus ripped off the arm and beat Starscream with it. Otherwise, no. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 12:58, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:I'd say no, parts getting blasted off is pretty standard for robot battle scenes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:01, 15 May 2011 (EDT)

Did Megatron steal the plans for the GroundBridge while in Bumblebee's body or was the technology already known to the Decepticons? {{unsigned|95.172.196.153}}
:It's not mentioned in the episode. It seems unlikely that they'd have a GroundBridge up and running in the short time since Megatron was resurrected. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:19, 16 May 2011 (EDT)
::Before this episode I didn't think the Decepticons had a GroundBridge. Maybe because their base isn't, you know, on the ground. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:37, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

== OPTIMUS SMILING?! ==

At what time in the episode does Optimus Smile?
:When he says they are glad the humans are safe.--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 23:23, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
::Optimus actually smiles quite a bit in this show. Dunno if the fanfare is that necessary. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:36, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Stream Factor ==

I'm confused. If the Shadow Zone is a alternate dimension, how exactly does it fit into the universal stream factor? It's like the negative universe from G1. Besides, when Cliffjumper went too the SG universe, he didn't see his universe.
:Uh, it's not a universe. It's a dimension within Aligned universe 1010.26 Alpha. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:24, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
: Sorry, I just don't understand that kind of stuff. I mean, ever since Transtech came around, it just changed my viewpoint.
Still, aren't dimmensions still considered universal streams? {{[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 01:04, 28 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac

2011-05-28T03:41:33Z

184.56.27.61: /* Intoduction. */

== Initial Ramblings ==
Book in hand... we have to disambig "Solon Kitakaze". This thing is awesome. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS the number of things that get obscure in-jokey referential names will implode the wiki it is awesome - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::I wasn't gonna buy it, but now... And they reference Solon? Really? It warms my heart whenever its obvious that the official Transformers people are reading out wiki (especially when its articles I wrote!). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Solon's not the half of it!! Solitarium! Death's Head! The Twilight! [[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy]] for pete's sake!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:44, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Damn. I'm going to have to get that book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:I AM MAKING SWEET SWEET LOVE TO THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, when you guys are done sodomizing your copies, please make an article to accompany this talk page. I won't be able to get mine until next week. :( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
Considering the book is by Sorenson, I'm not really surprised by any of this! -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:08, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::About one-third of the book's pages are ''bathed'' in Cybertronix. Given what they just came out and said in the book--what with SKY-BYTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE--I literally cannot even imagine what might fulfill their own standard of a "hidden Easter Egg" to be encrypted in another language. Aaiiiiieee. Also, I fucking call dibs on writing up the Visionaries reference. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:57, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::"The Swiss bank account number of the Bavarian Illuminati".
::::Is that just a joke on our part or did the writers go crazy? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::That was just a joke, presumably as a proxy until someone actually starts work on translations. Believe you me, I don't intend to run afoul of the Bavarian Illuminati ... again. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:06, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::OK.....
:::::: *takes two drinks* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Ah'm doin' translations tonight! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::oh sweet jesus this is going to take forever - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:21, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::For the love of.... the first bit of Cybertronix is the introduction from the instruction manual of the 1988 video game, "Wasteland". My head is fit to explode. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Sorenson, you've played Wasteland? I must worship you now. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Does this book give the names of all the Starscream clones BTW? Considering the toy bio for Sunstorm at least has been a source of confusion.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 16:32, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, all the clones are named now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will take your answer to mean, yes "Sunstorm" is in the Almanac and yes it identifies the show sycophant clone as "Sunstorm." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Can anyone tell me what the page count is for this thing? [[User:Warpspeed Hellscream|Screamer]] 16:47, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:It's, uh, right in the infobox on the article itself. 220 pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:56, 5 March 2010 (EST)

== Annotations ==

Got 'em done. [http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotated_almanac.html check 'em out] on this rather unglamorous bit of webspace; if anyone's feeling very brave, they might try and add some of this to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:40, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The DS9 pilot was just "Emissary", no "The" (originally shown, and presented on the DVD, as a single double-length episode). "The Emissary" was a '''TNG''' episode, stardate (per MΑ) 42901.3. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:59, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Also, note the "-" in front of the universal stream indicator for the writers. That means they're from a Shattered-Glass-like negative polarity universe! (I suspect Quadwal or whatever is the "real life" universe, which would work hand-in-hand with it being a "live performance" stream. Note that the authors are criminal versions of themselves, which again seems right considering the negative polarity.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:07, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, and you got your Archa Nine and Archa Seven switched. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Typo: "...Irwin Spoon, a journalist who appeared in a '''three-party''' story in Marvel UK's..."; three-part, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:09, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The Farscape monologue is from S1 & 2. It changed for S3, and again for S4. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The ''Dune'' fan in me screams at the misspellings in "He is the Kwizatz Haderach He is born of Caladan And will take the Gorn Jabbar" (it's supposed to be "Kwisatz" and "Gom"). Is this how they're spelled in the actual song? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:44, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Digimon FAQ? Haha. But anyway: "An observation of the events of the first issue of the Animated comic by the trans-dimensional Vector Prime" Please tell me there's a picture of ''Animated'' Vector Prime. Also, "The team is thrashed by real-life football team West Ham at Tigatron Stadium" This might be a reference to West Ham apparently being Furman's favorite <s>soccer</s> football team. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 03:45, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
: There is no art of Vector Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I want this book so much right now. But I seriously need to try and ignore the stardate for "Babel": as much as I hate to say it, that episode still scares me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:27, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Dude, McFeely? "Quadwal" as the universal stream is a joke. Quad=four. Wal=wall. "Fourth wall." It's the "real world." And it's not a negative universe, it's a negative number. 9/25/3760 ''BC''. That's the day calculated for Creation by adding up the ages of everyone in the Old Testament and subtracting back from the birth of Christ. (And it's a "live performance" because, uh, yeah.) FUCK ANYONE ELSE WHO POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY, IT'S FIVE AM AND I CAN'T SLEEP. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 04:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::I had already figured out that the date was probably referring to the day the universe came into existence (just forgot to actually mention that here like I'd meant to...), but I'd still been stumped on the "Quadwal" part. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:50, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::You may consider my mind officially blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:34, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Are we not dealing with pointing out picture stuff? Like on page 171 there's a kid dressed like Destro (and another one dressed like a Joe?). Are the guys on 184 at the bottom (1-5) supposed to be anybody? Just curious. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Similarly, is it worth mentioning anywhere in the article (or associated articles) about the flip-book animated Pocketbot at the bottom right of the right-hand pages?
:::Also, having gone over the book, I am amazed you could read the Cybertronian writing enough to figure out what it said, Chris. Maybe my eyes are just that bad now, but a lot of it seemed far too faint to distinguish, never mind the large portions obscured by overlaid art. Did you get layered files from which to study or something?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 07:55, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Naw, I just turned on every light in the room and squinted at it like the dickens. I translated what I could of the very first two passages and googled them to see if they were referring to something, so when I discovered that they were straight transcriptions of other sources, I circumvented the obscured-by-art problem by just started translating some of the large visible patches of text and googling it to see what it said. Would you believe that typing patches of the final narration of Robotech into google gets you no relevant hits? Seriously, the only relevant hit you get for "his homeworld and his past" is now ''my fricking annotations''. As to pictures, I was focusing on getting the references added ''for the book'', rather than pre-existing ones from the show and comics themselves, which is what those kids dressed as Joes would be (that said, I shamefully admit I didn't spot them - I've still not, ahem, ''read'' the book fully and properly, and probably would have mentioned them just because that's ''awesome''.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:59, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I used to work with Krista Kohlhausen. The likeness between the real person and the EMT character model is, well, perfect. There must be other people out there who look exactly like Derrick Wyatt's drawings too. Maybe he unwittingly creates them, like the narrator-author from "Stranger Than Fiction" who accidentally controls Will Farrell's life. Or maybe he ''wittingly'' creates them, like the author from "In the Mouth of Madness" who uses his simulacra people to summon Cthulhu. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Something not mentioned in these annotations is that ,on page 187 in the top-right corner is a man who resembles a glasses-wearing Animated-styled Hawk from Masterforce. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:It's just a regular crowd-filling guy in a suit, no more an "homage" than any other human featured in the section. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)

==References as a part of the article==
Now, I can hardly claim to be an unbiased party in all of this, but it seems to me that there is value in having a wikified list of references as a part of the article, rather than shunting people off-site to a web page that may or may not be there in perpetuity. I can't think of another instance of us saying that we shouldn't be codifying legitimate information because 'there is a large amount of it.' At worst we put that information in a sort of side-page, like we do with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and whatnot. Also, the hyperlinked version allows one to more quickly navigate around, rather than having to laboriously type in each search term. Finally, I won't lie, I'm tickled pink to see a 25K list of just the Transformers references in this book.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:44, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree, plus there should also be a list of who got profiles like in [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|other]] [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|books]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
::aren't references present in other stuff like Divide and Conqure (Real World and Transformers references both) and Nemesis Part 2 and RID episodes and linkage and so on?{{unsigned|71.148.38.190}}
:::Yeah, as is this article isn't nearly as informative or complete as many of it's counterparts. I DO understand the impulse not to go crazy over it as there is SO much awesome geekage that it'd be really easy to let the article become Godzillic. Still that's no reason to starve it into near uselessness either. A greater detail on the content, and list of profiles should be definite. I think a list of at least the TF references, kept as breif as possible should be VERY within the usual scope ot this wiki as well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 13:28, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. Ever since Chris did the work on his annotated version, I've been urging him to wikify it and integrate it into the article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:35, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Is this a consensus I see forming to add back in the wikified references? (Attempting to restrain myself ...) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Do both. Include references here, and link to Chris's external reference list. There will be overlap... but different eyes see different things, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Works for me. "It's long" is no reason not to include something on the wiki. [[The Core#Notes|Just the opposite]], [[B.O.T. (episode)#Notes|in fact]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sandbox Discussion==

OK, I took a stab at a format that keeps readability but also incorporates the wikifying work already done. Check it out here: "Jimsorenson/Sandbox1". Thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I dig it. In situations like this, I ''love'' our articles being this informative.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:37, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, well, so do I, but I feel weird doing this myself. Note that, for references, I'm restricting myself to dropping in work that was already done by other. That is, even if it's "wrong" or incomplete or not what I was going for, I'm still just copying it and pasting it in.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well Jim, if something is ''wrong'', do let us know! Don't want to spread misinfo! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I concede that this will look better than the more sparse approach I'd previously suggested. I just feel a little weird about basically outing ALL the in-jokes in the book.... though it ''is'' why we're here. Go for it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:56, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::OK, I think I'm done ... thoughts? The references in chapter 4 were just too dense. For the real-world stuff, I figured I'd break it out into a sub-page. For Garbage O's, Venus and the Detroit Powell Press, all fairly reference-dense, I figured it'd be enough for the references to be on their own pages. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:12, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm thinking we might want to trim some of the reference explanations for brevity's sake... since we link to the things being referenced anyway. For example, "''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”, after the crab salad notable among Transformers fans for having been served at several BotCons.''" could probably be trimmed to just ""''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”.''" what with the link. A little bit of that here and there can really trim things nicely. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree with you completely. That said, that takes us into an area that I'm not comfortable editing. All I've been doing was grabbing wiki code from the edit by Bishbot, which was in turn just a wikified version (more or less) of Chris McFeely's annotations. If there is to be further trimming here, I think that it'd be best done by someone more objective.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thoroughly understandable. I'll give a go at em. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::If anything, at this point I'd say there's enough support to move this material to the main article, and let everyone hone it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:51, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Scans ==

Could some people who have the book upload scans of it? like for example for blackaracnia's page we could have the character model for Blackarachnia so why not?
--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.187.82|92.238.187.82]] 11:37, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:Er, we already have 90% of the character models uploaded?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, a lot of what the wiki has up is style guide art, not character models. However, the principles of fair use still apply - a few excerpts here or there are fine, but scanning in everyone's character model and posting them is definitely not fine. It is not necessary for the wiki to have everyone's character model posted here.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:18, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmmm. You leave me wondering, what is "style guide art" and how does it differ from character models? Does the wiki need a "style guide" page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::By my uneducated estimation, a "character model" would be a static pose of the character, standing still, arms at sides, designed to straightforwardly illustrate the details of their bodies so that they animators and artists can draw them correctly. If what we have on the wiki is "style guide" art, then that would appear to be art that gives off personality and character - observe Prowl's ninja-pose, or Bulkhead's crossed arms, they give off plenty of character, but obscure chest details that artists would need to render the character properly. - McFeely, not signed in
:::::Bingo. [[:Image:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|Blitzwing's character model]] vs [[:Image:AniBulkheadPromoModel.jpg|Bulkhead's style guide artwork]]. Character models are used by animators and comic book artists so that characters can be drawn in a uniform way. The style guide imagery is generally given out to other licensees and is (I believe) designed to convey both the character's design and their basic personality. The art is designed so that it can be just dropped in place and look cool, which isn't something that character models need to accomplish.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:48, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Offhand, I'd say style guide images make for more evocative main images on character articles than straight-up character models. Given my druthers, I think we should use the less static pose where availability and layout permit.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

so eh does this mean we should upload scans or not? {{unsigned|92.238.160.72}}
:That's a big NO. (Aside from a small amount for fair-use.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Vector Prime ==

Hi! I am reading the book right now and I do not understand the Vector Prime part. I understand that Primus is god so who is vector prime. Like why is he in here. I just do not understand transdimension thingies. Does anybody think they can explain it very simple that an 11 yr old can understand it.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|17:27, 7 October 2009}}
:Hello. Vector Prime is a very, very old Transformer. He can see across many different dimensions. He looks in to the universe of Transformers Animated and watches some events, then writes down what he sees. Does that make sense?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:54, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::Specifically, we have an article on [[Vector Prime]] if you want to find out more about him!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:03, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
Oh Thanks! I did look on his article I really am just like wow! but now I get it so He is old and is a bot who sees everything.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|18:11, 7 October 2009}}

== Defensor United ==

Pg 124 refers to Defensor United sports team. I remember the Marvel UK letters page referring to Cybertronian sports teams - e.g. "Bruticus All Blacks" is one I remember. Does anyone know if Defensor United was one of the other teams from that? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:32, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Ok, never mind. Found it in the Mecha-Soccer page (thanks to the timely update of the Cybertron sports page by Jimsorenson that led me there!) [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:42, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== Categorization ==

I have kind of a technical question. If a character appears in the cartoon and in the Almanac, would their character page be put in the [[:Category:Cartoon-only characters]] or [[:Category:Fiction-only characters]]? If this were strictly a profile book, it would be "Cartoon-only" but this is kind of "reference text" and kind of "fiction", since it is written in-fiction. I was going to put cartoon and Almanac characters into "Fiction-only" but I wanted to check.

Also, I see that some Almanac-only characters are in [[:Category:Prose-only characters]]. I think that is correct, but I could also see it in [[:Category:Profile-only characters]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:40, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'd suggest fiction-only, from my biased viewpoint. Also, given the plethora of images, I'd hesitate to call the characters prose-only, though I suppose prose is closer than most other alternatives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:11, 7 January 2010 (EST)

== Scholastic Edition ==
So, it turns out there is a Scholastic Edition of the book. It's 120 pages, covers Autobots, Decepticons, Humans and Culture, and it's a lot smaller than the regular version. It's maybe 5 by 7, down from 8.5 by 11. So, how does that get covered here? A note on this page? Probably not its own page. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:11, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:Link to the listing? As for covering it, maybe its publication info (ISBNs, page #s, publication date, etc.) at the bottom? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:40, 7 January 2010 (EST)
::I happen to own the no-good worthless ripoff piece of shit. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 17:19, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Ouch. How bad is it? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:14, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Chapters 4, 6, and 7 are left out and the others have all had detail trimmed from them. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Magnus Memoirs oddity ==

I've noticed that the last sentence on page 145 just kinda ''ends'', with "Would that all of our". Is that intentional (it ''is'' an excerpt, after all) or a goof? (Yes I am hideously late in getting to actually read this.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:02, 18 February 2010 (EST)
:That was intentional, and made my copy editor apoplectic. I didn't want it to seem like the whole chapter was one page, and that seemed like a good way.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:00, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>chuckle* Admittedly, with sympathies to your copy editor, I can't think of a good way it could have been marked as intentional without breaking the verisimilitude either. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:16, 18 February 2010 (EST)

== Even More Almanac Tidbits ==

I'm sure there must be something out of [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/post-no-bill-secrets-of-almanac-one.html Forster's latest notes] that should be worth adding... I'm just not sure what and where, admittedly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:02, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== January FA? ==

Let's face it, this page is pretty much complete. Anyone else think this should be the FA for January? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:27, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:Well, just looking at the article without actually reading it, I think it would at least need some more images to break up the wall of text effect a bit. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:49, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:: Actually, we were sort of grooming [[Wreck-Gar (G1)]] for January over the past few days. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:00, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:::Note to self: watch Allspark thread more.
:::Anyway, let's leave this for February. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:57, 30 December 2010 (EST)

== Intoduction. ==

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== Initial Ramblings ==
Book in hand... we have to disambig "Solon Kitakaze". This thing is awesome. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:28, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:OH MY GOD SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS the number of things that get obscure in-jokey referential names will implode the wiki it is awesome - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:39, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::I wasn't gonna buy it, but now... And they reference Solon? Really? It warms my heart whenever its obvious that the official Transformers people are reading out wiki (especially when its articles I wrote!). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Solon's not the half of it!! Solitarium! Death's Head! The Twilight! [[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy]] for pete's sake!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:44, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Damn. I'm going to have to get that book. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:I AM MAKING SWEET SWEET LOVE TO THIS BOOK RIGHT NOW --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:15, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, when you guys are done sodomizing your copies, please make an article to accompany this talk page. I won't be able to get mine until next week. :( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:34, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
Considering the book is by Sorenson, I'm not really surprised by any of this! -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:08, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::About one-third of the book's pages are ''bathed'' in Cybertronix. Given what they just came out and said in the book--what with SKY-BYTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE--I literally cannot even imagine what might fulfill their own standard of a "hidden Easter Egg" to be encrypted in another language. Aaiiiiieee. Also, I fucking call dibs on writing up the Visionaries reference. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:57, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
::::"The Swiss bank account number of the Bavarian Illuminati".
::::Is that just a joke on our part or did the writers go crazy? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::That was just a joke, presumably as a proxy until someone actually starts work on translations. Believe you me, I don't intend to run afoul of the Bavarian Illuminati ... again. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:06, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::OK.....
:::::: *takes two drinks* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Ah'm doin' translations tonight! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::oh sweet jesus this is going to take forever - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:21, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::For the love of.... the first bit of Cybertronix is the introduction from the instruction manual of the 1988 video game, "Wasteland". My head is fit to explode. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Sorenson, you've played Wasteland? I must worship you now. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:59, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

Does this book give the names of all the Starscream clones BTW? Considering the toy bio for Sunstorm at least has been a source of confusion.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 16:32, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, all the clones are named now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will take your answer to mean, yes "Sunstorm" is in the Almanac and yes it identifies the show sycophant clone as "Sunstorm." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 31 August 2009 (EDT)

Can anyone tell me what the page count is for this thing? [[User:Warpspeed Hellscream|Screamer]] 16:47, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:It's, uh, right in the infobox on the article itself. 220 pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:56, 5 March 2010 (EST)

== Annotations ==

Got 'em done. [http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotated_almanac.html check 'em out] on this rather unglamorous bit of webspace; if anyone's feeling very brave, they might try and add some of this to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:40, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The DS9 pilot was just "Emissary", no "The" (originally shown, and presented on the DVD, as a single double-length episode). "The Emissary" was a '''TNG''' episode, stardate (per MΑ) 42901.3. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:59, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Also, note the "-" in front of the universal stream indicator for the writers. That means they're from a Shattered-Glass-like negative polarity universe! (I suspect Quadwal or whatever is the "real life" universe, which would work hand-in-hand with it being a "live performance" stream. Note that the authors are criminal versions of themselves, which again seems right considering the negative polarity.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:07, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oh, and you got your Archa Nine and Archa Seven switched. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Typo: "...Irwin Spoon, a journalist who appeared in a '''three-party''' story in Marvel UK's..."; three-part, yes? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:09, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:The Farscape monologue is from S1 & 2. It changed for S3, and again for S4. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The ''Dune'' fan in me screams at the misspellings in "He is the Kwizatz Haderach He is born of Caladan And will take the Gorn Jabbar" (it's supposed to be "Kwisatz" and "Gom"). Is this how they're spelled in the actual song? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:44, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

Digimon FAQ? Haha. But anyway: "An observation of the events of the first issue of the Animated comic by the trans-dimensional Vector Prime" Please tell me there's a picture of ''Animated'' Vector Prime. Also, "The team is thrashed by real-life football team West Ham at Tigatron Stadium" This might be a reference to West Ham apparently being Furman's favorite <s>soccer</s> football team. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 03:45, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
: There is no art of Vector Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I want this book so much right now. But I seriously need to try and ignore the stardate for "Babel": as much as I hate to say it, that episode still scares me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:27, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Dude, McFeely? "Quadwal" as the universal stream is a joke. Quad=four. Wal=wall. "Fourth wall." It's the "real world." And it's not a negative universe, it's a negative number. 9/25/3760 ''BC''. That's the day calculated for Creation by adding up the ages of everyone in the Old Testament and subtracting back from the birth of Christ. (And it's a "live performance" because, uh, yeah.) FUCK ANYONE ELSE WHO POINTED THIS OUT ALREADY, IT'S FIVE AM AND I CAN'T SLEEP. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 04:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::I had already figured out that the date was probably referring to the day the universe came into existence (just forgot to actually mention that here like I'd meant to...), but I'd still been stumped on the "Quadwal" part. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:50, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::You may consider my mind officially blown. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:34, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Are we not dealing with pointing out picture stuff? Like on page 171 there's a kid dressed like Destro (and another one dressed like a Joe?). Are the guys on 184 at the bottom (1-5) supposed to be anybody? Just curious. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Similarly, is it worth mentioning anywhere in the article (or associated articles) about the flip-book animated Pocketbot at the bottom right of the right-hand pages?
:::Also, having gone over the book, I am amazed you could read the Cybertronian writing enough to figure out what it said, Chris. Maybe my eyes are just that bad now, but a lot of it seemed far too faint to distinguish, never mind the large portions obscured by overlaid art. Did you get layered files from which to study or something?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 07:55, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Naw, I just turned on every light in the room and squinted at it like the dickens. I translated what I could of the very first two passages and googled them to see if they were referring to something, so when I discovered that they were straight transcriptions of other sources, I circumvented the obscured-by-art problem by just started translating some of the large visible patches of text and googling it to see what it said. Would you believe that typing patches of the final narration of Robotech into google gets you no relevant hits? Seriously, the only relevant hit you get for "his homeworld and his past" is now ''my fricking annotations''. As to pictures, I was focusing on getting the references added ''for the book'', rather than pre-existing ones from the show and comics themselves, which is what those kids dressed as Joes would be (that said, I shamefully admit I didn't spot them - I've still not, ahem, ''read'' the book fully and properly, and probably would have mentioned them just because that's ''awesome''.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:59, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I used to work with Krista Kohlhausen. The likeness between the real person and the EMT character model is, well, perfect. There must be other people out there who look exactly like Derrick Wyatt's drawings too. Maybe he unwittingly creates them, like the narrator-author from "Stranger Than Fiction" who accidentally controls Will Farrell's life. Or maybe he ''wittingly'' creates them, like the author from "In the Mouth of Madness" who uses his simulacra people to summon Cthulhu. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
Something not mentioned in these annotations is that ,on page 187 in the top-right corner is a man who resembles a glasses-wearing Animated-styled Hawk from Masterforce. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:14, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:It's just a regular crowd-filling guy in a suit, no more an "homage" than any other human featured in the section. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)

==References as a part of the article==
Now, I can hardly claim to be an unbiased party in all of this, but it seems to me that there is value in having a wikified list of references as a part of the article, rather than shunting people off-site to a web page that may or may not be there in perpetuity. I can't think of another instance of us saying that we shouldn't be codifying legitimate information because 'there is a large amount of it.' At worst we put that information in a sort of side-page, like we do with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and whatnot. Also, the hyperlinked version allows one to more quickly navigate around, rather than having to laboriously type in each search term. Finally, I won't lie, I'm tickled pink to see a 25K list of just the Transformers references in this book.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:44, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree, plus there should also be a list of who got profiles like in [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|other]] [[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|books]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
::aren't references present in other stuff like Divide and Conqure (Real World and Transformers references both) and Nemesis Part 2 and RID episodes and linkage and so on?{{unsigned|71.148.38.190}}
:::Yeah, as is this article isn't nearly as informative or complete as many of it's counterparts. I DO understand the impulse not to go crazy over it as there is SO much awesome geekage that it'd be really easy to let the article become Godzillic. Still that's no reason to starve it into near uselessness either. A greater detail on the content, and list of profiles should be definite. I think a list of at least the TF references, kept as breif as possible should be VERY within the usual scope ot this wiki as well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 13:28, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Agreed. Ever since Chris did the work on his annotated version, I've been urging him to wikify it and integrate it into the article.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:35, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Is this a consensus I see forming to add back in the wikified references? (Attempting to restrain myself ...) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Do both. Include references here, and link to Chris's external reference list. There will be overlap... but different eyes see different things, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:41, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Works for me. "It's long" is no reason not to include something on the wiki. [[The Core#Notes|Just the opposite]], [[B.O.T. (episode)#Notes|in fact]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sandbox Discussion==

OK, I took a stab at a format that keeps readability but also incorporates the wikifying work already done. Check it out here: "Jimsorenson/Sandbox1". Thoughts? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:21, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I dig it. In situations like this, I ''love'' our articles being this informative.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:37, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, well, so do I, but I feel weird doing this myself. Note that, for references, I'm restricting myself to dropping in work that was already done by other. That is, even if it's "wrong" or incomplete or not what I was going for, I'm still just copying it and pasting it in.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well Jim, if something is ''wrong'', do let us know! Don't want to spread misinfo! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:52, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I concede that this will look better than the more sparse approach I'd previously suggested. I just feel a little weird about basically outing ALL the in-jokes in the book.... though it ''is'' why we're here. Go for it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:56, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::OK, I think I'm done ... thoughts? The references in chapter 4 were just too dense. For the real-world stuff, I figured I'd break it out into a sub-page. For Garbage O's, Venus and the Detroit Powell Press, all fairly reference-dense, I figured it'd be enough for the references to be on their own pages. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:12, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

I'm thinking we might want to trim some of the reference explanations for brevity's sake... since we link to the things being referenced anyway. For example, "''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”, after the crab salad notable among Transformers fans for having been served at several BotCons.''" could probably be trimmed to just ""''In addition, he calls it a “[[Seafood Louis]] creature”.''" what with the link. A little bit of that here and there can really trim things nicely. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree with you completely. That said, that takes us into an area that I'm not comfortable editing. All I've been doing was grabbing wiki code from the edit by Bishbot, which was in turn just a wikified version (more or less) of Chris McFeely's annotations. If there is to be further trimming here, I think that it'd be best done by someone more objective.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:47, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thoroughly understandable. I'll give a go at em. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:49, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::If anything, at this point I'd say there's enough support to move this material to the main article, and let everyone hone it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:51, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Scans ==

Could some people who have the book upload scans of it? like for example for blackaracnia's page we could have the character model for Blackarachnia so why not?
--[[Special:Contributions/92.238.187.82|92.238.187.82]] 11:37, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:Er, we already have 90% of the character models uploaded?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:05, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well, a lot of what the wiki has up is style guide art, not character models. However, the principles of fair use still apply - a few excerpts here or there are fine, but scanning in everyone's character model and posting them is definitely not fine. It is not necessary for the wiki to have everyone's character model posted here.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:18, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Hmmm. You leave me wondering, what is "style guide art" and how does it differ from character models? Does the wiki need a "style guide" page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::By my uneducated estimation, a "character model" would be a static pose of the character, standing still, arms at sides, designed to straightforwardly illustrate the details of their bodies so that they animators and artists can draw them correctly. If what we have on the wiki is "style guide" art, then that would appear to be art that gives off personality and character - observe Prowl's ninja-pose, or Bulkhead's crossed arms, they give off plenty of character, but obscure chest details that artists would need to render the character properly. - McFeely, not signed in
:::::Bingo. [[:Image:AniBlitzwingPromoModel.jpg|Blitzwing's character model]] vs [[:Image:AniBulkheadPromoModel.jpg|Bulkhead's style guide artwork]]. Character models are used by animators and comic book artists so that characters can be drawn in a uniform way. The style guide imagery is generally given out to other licensees and is (I believe) designed to convey both the character's design and their basic personality. The art is designed so that it can be just dropped in place and look cool, which isn't something that character models need to accomplish.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:48, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

Offhand, I'd say style guide images make for more evocative main images on character articles than straight-up character models. Given my druthers, I think we should use the less static pose where availability and layout permit.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

so eh does this mean we should upload scans or not? {{unsigned|92.238.160.72}}
:That's a big NO. (Aside from a small amount for fair-use.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:18, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Vector Prime ==

Hi! I am reading the book right now and I do not understand the Vector Prime part. I understand that Primus is god so who is vector prime. Like why is he in here. I just do not understand transdimension thingies. Does anybody think they can explain it very simple that an 11 yr old can understand it.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|17:27, 7 October 2009}}
:Hello. Vector Prime is a very, very old Transformer. He can see across many different dimensions. He looks in to the universe of Transformers Animated and watches some events, then writes down what he sees. Does that make sense?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:54, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::Specifically, we have an article on [[Vector Prime]] if you want to find out more about him!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:03, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
Oh Thanks! I did look on his article I really am just like wow! but now I get it so He is old and is a bot who sees everything.{{unsigned|76.23.202.3|18:11, 7 October 2009}}

== Defensor United ==

Pg 124 refers to Defensor United sports team. I remember the Marvel UK letters page referring to Cybertronian sports teams - e.g. "Bruticus All Blacks" is one I remember. Does anyone know if Defensor United was one of the other teams from that? [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:32, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Ok, never mind. Found it in the Mecha-Soccer page (thanks to the timely update of the Cybertron sports page by Jimsorenson that led me there!) [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 17:42, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== Categorization ==

I have kind of a technical question. If a character appears in the cartoon and in the Almanac, would their character page be put in the [[:Category:Cartoon-only characters]] or [[:Category:Fiction-only characters]]? If this were strictly a profile book, it would be "Cartoon-only" but this is kind of "reference text" and kind of "fiction", since it is written in-fiction. I was going to put cartoon and Almanac characters into "Fiction-only" but I wanted to check.

Also, I see that some Almanac-only characters are in [[:Category:Prose-only characters]]. I think that is correct, but I could also see it in [[:Category:Profile-only characters]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:40, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'd suggest fiction-only, from my biased viewpoint. Also, given the plethora of images, I'd hesitate to call the characters prose-only, though I suppose prose is closer than most other alternatives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:11, 7 January 2010 (EST)

== Scholastic Edition ==
So, it turns out there is a Scholastic Edition of the book. It's 120 pages, covers Autobots, Decepticons, Humans and Culture, and it's a lot smaller than the regular version. It's maybe 5 by 7, down from 8.5 by 11. So, how does that get covered here? A note on this page? Probably not its own page. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:11, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:Link to the listing? As for covering it, maybe its publication info (ISBNs, page #s, publication date, etc.) at the bottom? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:40, 7 January 2010 (EST)
::I happen to own the no-good worthless ripoff piece of shit. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 17:19, 13 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Ouch. How bad is it? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:14, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Chapters 4, 6, and 7 are left out and the others have all had detail trimmed from them. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:32, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Magnus Memoirs oddity ==

I've noticed that the last sentence on page 145 just kinda ''ends'', with "Would that all of our". Is that intentional (it ''is'' an excerpt, after all) or a goof? (Yes I am hideously late in getting to actually read this.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:02, 18 February 2010 (EST)
:That was intentional, and made my copy editor apoplectic. I didn't want it to seem like the whole chapter was one page, and that seemed like a good way.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:00, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>chuckle* Admittedly, with sympathies to your copy editor, I can't think of a good way it could have been marked as intentional without breaking the verisimilitude either. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:16, 18 February 2010 (EST)

== Even More Almanac Tidbits ==

I'm sure there must be something out of [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/post-no-bill-secrets-of-almanac-one.html Forster's latest notes] that should be worth adding... I'm just not sure what and where, admittedly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:02, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== January FA? ==

Let's face it, this page is pretty much complete. Anyone else think this should be the FA for January? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:27, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:Well, just looking at the article without actually reading it, I think it would at least need some more images to break up the wall of text effect a bit. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:49, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:: Actually, we were sort of grooming [[Wreck-Gar (G1)]] for January over the past few days. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:00, 28 December 2010 (EST)
:::Note to self: watch Allspark thread more.
:::Anyway, let's leave this for February. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:57, 30 December 2010 (EST)

== Intoduction. ==

Um, Chris, you forgot all about Epsilon Holdings. Was this intentional{{[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]]|[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 23:40, 27 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Sari Sumdac (Animated)

2011-05-28T03:30:00Z

184.56.27.61: /* Sari's origins */

==Meta-category==
'Tentative' meta-category? (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sandals and such==
I'm debating undoing the "not a Kiss Player" addition, but can't quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I'll leave it to someone else. I'm also tempted to change the picture caption, as I'm pretty sure those aren't sandals. (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.) However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow. If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==Adopted?==
I'm curious... what's the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari's bio stated that she's adopted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Well-liked character?==
I'd really like to debate that she's "well-liked" so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her. So unless we're of a gross minority, I think it's safe to say her appeal is not universal. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I don't hate her, therefore every fan doesn't hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her! I'm just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her. And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my "social circle" and so far it's been nothing but "she's annoying" and "neutral." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thus far, I kinda like her. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
: I personally like how she's the first girl in an American-made series to be '''the''' major human character, and she's a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn't annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn't make me automatically love all the characters she plays. The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari's character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no "omg sekrit POWARZ" to make him more "interesting." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Spike didn't have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there's the Headmaster thing. Also, calling ''Animated'''s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon ''way'' to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe. They were all "human" in the same way. But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime. And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans. In fact, that's WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1's lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art. Anyway, I'm running speedily away from my point. That is, I and every other TF fan I've talked to absolutely despise Sari. Calling her "well liked, more so than usual" on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me. It's fine to call her a "generally liked character" or even just "a popular human character," but using the turn of phrase that's there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.

::::::Hell, at this point I'd even take Kicker. At least his art style doesn't hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already! People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube. People dismissed the game as "kiddie" just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series. Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.

:::::::Just give it a chance. I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80's comic look of G1. Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]? Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat. At least in a cartoon that's somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I've been giving it as much of a chance as I can. And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like). TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it's laughable. I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do. And the "but the movie did it!" excuse doesn't quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay. Oh, and the movie didn't use it EVERY HALF HOUR. 'OHAI, it's a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.' ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don't like her! She is annoying. All others that I have spoken to share this opinion. It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as "well liked, more so than usual." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against. If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we'll most likely change the page. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, that's frustrating. The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki? Lamesauce. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, but we're confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren't cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them. The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.
:::::::::::I'm not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) ''exressing'' the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument. So we have to say "Gee, if ''everyone'' thinks this, do most of us think this?" And if the answer's no, we'll usually revert sweeping statements. It's possible that we might be ''wrong'' and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it's the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all? I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom. Please, feel free to re-read my comments. I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it's unjustifiably overblown in the article. Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views. I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the "Notes" section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That's Jazz. lulz.) I'm actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it's hard when I'm surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well we can't very well quantify "all others you have spoken to," no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the "reasonably well-liked" comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there's probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd quantify it as "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's my opinion of Sari- she's okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she's astonishingly ''non''-annoying. So 'reasonably well liked.'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as "TF:CHINS." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I'm automatically discounted? Wow. I guess I've been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far. It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I'm a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible. I'm not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I'm just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her. Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she's a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT? I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me. And I really don't consider TF:CHINS to be a 'derisive' nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated's art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual" conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The "arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron" folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was ''physically abusive toward the Autobots''. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget Fred's inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼" floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level. Personally, I love Sari. Best human character in a TF series, as far as I'm concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual."

Now from what I've seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I've observed doesn't seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Has ''anyone'' here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts "reasonably well liked, more so than usual"? If people don't like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that's separate from liking her herself. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement. He doesn't like her, and the people he's talked to (before coming here) don't like her. That doesn't make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans. Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in ''their'' observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans. The phrasing "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" doesn't even remotely mean "all the fans think she's great". It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her. As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks. There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari. But she is, on average, *not* hated. That is definitely worthy of note. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this "on average?" It can't be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans. That is all I have been trying to get across here. There's no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans. I find the "well liked, more so than usual" statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes. How about we just say she's "generally popular" or "mostly liked" instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I'd call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki's talk page to justify what's on the wiki! Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me. Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references. Just because the people that hang out on a character's talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion. I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being "generally popular" or "mostly liked!" How horrible of me! I'm corrupting the TF fandom! Jeez. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Dude, you're not kidding when you say you're skilled at stirring up drama! As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you've made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion. Maybe something along the lines of "mostly well-liked" would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, what's really crazy is I'm not even TRYING to stir up drama. At this point I'm convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character. (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I'm new and have a different opinion. I'm getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I say leave it the way it is. We shouldn't change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should. Combobreaker, you say we aren't showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked. Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN'T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, point missed. The way she's referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her. They don't, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're also supposed to find consensus. We think we ''have''. If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe ''you'' should be citing references to support ''your'' point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki. Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else. I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid. Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular. Fine, that's awesome. My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she's despised. In this situation I think it's perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it's going to 11. I'd like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands. Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you really think that "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" is an 11?
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]? I'm sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn't let this one trivia point occupy all your time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said "it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character" and Derik says she is "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's less general than what is there now.
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google "Sari Sumdac" and tell me what the first result says about her. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I'd start with something small. I had no idea I'd start such a mess just by wanting a character's unquantified popularity slightly edited. That's why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn't want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off. Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Don't worry too much about it, dude. Contributions will be judged on their own merits. This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers'a edit; I don't think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute. If they do, they'll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here. I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I'm a little sketchy on the human characters. Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination! It says she is "reasonably well-liked, more so than usual," basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she's the mesiah or something. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Repowers's edit==
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, that's all I wanted. I'm happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not human?==
That's a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think ''something'' from it needs noting, because Tara Strong's interview and the events of "Megatron Rising" make it clear that there's ''SOMETHING'' unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's a reason I put in the whole "counterpoints" thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Things that don't exist==
Seeing how she, legally, doesn't exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don't exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We should blank this whole article. There is no information on a 'Sari Sumdac'. (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works. I imagine we'll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now? I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Work of genius" or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it's best to leave the joke at including her in the category, it's a funny way to end the article without confusing people who haven't been watching Animated. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 04:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==

:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].''

But is she Really?
I know we don't want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I've often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.
:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a Squid-Creature. We're not all that sure right now to be honest....''
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 18:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds pretty good to me. Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the "debate" here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I've done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Personaly, I think the little 'squid creature' thing is kinda funny, and I vote for temproarily adding it to the article. At least until we learn she's really a human/[[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cyborg]] / robotic android/ squid thing/ *master/ gobot-in-disquise/ whatever she ends up being (my vote's for geneticly altered clone). [[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 02:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Incoming spoiler alert==
No, this isn't revealing what Sari actually is. It is a warning about how [[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]] is going to air in Dubai tomorrow, and that it is very likely that the truth about Sari will be revealed then. I strongly suggest that we semi-protect this article to prevent it from becoming too spoilerific (word?) and preserve the dignity of this Wiki. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too bloody right! I've been away for a couple of days and appear to have missed the big furor over the Animated spoilers (which were annoying the chocolate-coated fudge out of me), but I seem to have been lucky enough to avoid anything major thus far, and want to keep it that way! = [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::And though semi-protect would allow others to still edit it, it would stop new and unregistered users, the most likely culprits, from adding things. Theoretically, we might have to keep it semi-protected until A Bridge Too Close actually airs. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:We're starting to get spoilers for other stuff already, and they're big ones. Someone needs to lock this page now, or we are in for a world of reverts. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==
I think we should replace the toppic since A, it isn't the model used in the cartoon, and B, we now have it at the bottom. {{unsigned|96.227.184.235}}
:Please sign your posts. Take a better look; the two pics are different. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry. -Anonymous

== "Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?" ==
From the new piece of Trivia, "In the first part of "Transform And Roll Out!", Sari's father is seen constructing what appears to be a mechanical arm, before noticing Megatron falling from the sky. Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?", I've watched the clip and don't find it very likely. It looks more like an average robotic arm (one that looks similar to another hanging from Isaac's ceiling).

Opinions? ([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 06:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

:Yeah, even aside from the unlikelihood that Isaac was working on Sari at that point in time, that arm is much too big to be Sari's. -- [[User:Greenygal|Greenygal]] 10:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

: I'm not sure about the arm, but in the intro special, they also happened to be working on nanobots. Even going through the whole spiel on fusing human and machine. Guess what Sari appears to be. [[User:Xevon|Xevon]] 06:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
::And we saw how well THAT experiment worked. If he couldn't get down that process after Sari already existed, how could he have managed it to create her?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

:*There might have been a big difference between the technology and resources used to create Sari and the technology and resources that they were planning to use in mass production or for public use. Furthermore, if a lot of alien technology(such as technology that is far more advanced than their current technology) was used to make Sari, it could have become too conspicuous, especially if there was no proper introduction for the technology. This would mean that people such as the military or other corporations might start poking their fingers into Sumdac's source of inspiration. There is also the possibility that Sumdac had plucked spare parts right off Megatron, such as rare metals(especially those not readily found on earth) to make Sari, hence he couldn't make another attempt. Another possibility is that Sari is Sumdac's greatest life work, in whom he was pouring all his resources, skills and time and all his other creations are just scraps, spares and extras that he made so that he could support Sari in both her construction and her development. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:*None of that really touches on whether the arm in TaRO Pt. 1 was Sari's or not, which was the original question here. *While that's some nice mental exercise, it's a lot of far-reaching speculation without much to back it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC) </ol> It will all be speculation until the series itself provides more information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:And specualtion is for messageboards, not this wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== quote ==
Personally I think the "If you think I'm gonna let you geaeheads out of my sight, you're nuts, and I don't mean the kind that come with bolts" quote better than the current one because she said it, and it just suits her personality more, but then that's just my opinion [[User:Chromia|Chromia]] 16:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Transformersanimated.com is not affiliated with Hasbro, Cartoon network, or ''anyone'' official. ==
It is a ''fansite''. It states so directly on the site's footer. What's more, they are a fansite that, like many of them, has far less stringent requirements for inclusion than this wiki. Just as you would not put something from TFW2005, The Allspark, or TFormers.com up here without first checking if they got it from an official source rather than a leak, apply that reasoning to Transformersanimated.com's news. Don't let the domain name fool you.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:59, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:Given Hasbro went after domain names based upon their trademarks i the late 90s and early 2000s, I'm surprised they didn't go after this site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

== New Caption Suggestion for Super-Sari ==
I humbly suggest, for the judgment of the council, that the caption of the picture of "Super-" or "Robo-" Sari be changed from it's current state, "Masterforce!" to the much awesomer (you read that right) "It's Morphin' Time!" After careful study and extensive meditation, I have reached the conclusion that this would be met with more sniggers from any readers. What say you?
--[[User:Keegman|Keegman]] 07:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

As the Joker would say, "If you have to explain the joke, THEN THERE IS NO JOKE!"
[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:30, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

== Sari and fans ==
We're into the third season, and this is just kind of hanging here like a vestigial organ. It's not trivia, it's very speculatey, and now that more of her origin has been revealed it's quite a bit redundant.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:17, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:Now that her origin is (mostly) revealed, the "Things that don't exist" category isn't really funny anymore. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:21, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== Age? ==

Has it been confirmed yet what teenage robo-Sari's age is? I know in Human error pt 1, when Sumdac gave her the scooter, she said, "Thanks dad, but I was hoping for something with four wheels," implying that she is sixteen-ish, but she came across more as a 13-ish year old to me. Anyone have an answer? -[[User:JesWalHok|JesWalHok]] 17:35, 18 April 2009 (EDT)JesWalHok
:Seems fairly unlikely to be confirmed, as there's no real way to figure out how "old" someone who just spontaneously grew up is with any precision.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Well its apperent that she believes in Santa Clause something a normal 8-year-old would beleive in. So technicaly she is mentaly at age 8. D.J.Sky 4-21-09 6:38

I agree with ... D.J.Sky Is It? I think she is taking advantage of her age just to get a car.--E-Bot April 21 2009.
:I take offense to that...besides, doesn't Prowl prove that Santa was a Transformer, anyway?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that was just a gag the writers came up with. And by the way, he was implying that Santa has clones.--E-Bot April 22 2009

::I hope no-one objects, but I've taken the liberty of removing the "Thirteen-year-old" part of the phrase "''Her body was "aged" so that she appeared to be a '''thirteen-year-old''' teenager''", since her apparent physical age if frankly pretty speculative, both from a logical standpoint regarding her intrinsic literal and mental age (discussed above) and also just because of the stylised character models. To some people she apparently looks 13, to others, she looks 16, etc...
::Since the only canonical statement that I'm aware of is that her dad says "she looks like a teenager now", it seems to me that we probably shouldn't be making any interpretive statement about how old she looks specifically, just that she looks like "a teenager".[[User:AlertSpoiler|AlertSpoiler]] 02:18, 28 November 2010 (EST)

== Female Transformer? ==

Since Sari is a Cybertronian lifeform with (presumably) a spark and circuits, couldn't she be considered a female Transformer now? It could be that her human form is her alt mode, kind of like Blackarachnia and Waspinator's bug modes. Should we add her to the ranks?--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 14:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Yes! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:33, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
*I agree. Sari's basically an Autobot with an organic mode. You can not dispute that, no matter how hard you try.[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 13:01, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

**So...what's the verdict? Do we slap an Autobrand on her article or what?[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 19:33, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::No, she isn't an Autobot. She grew up human and never officially joined the Autobots. She was a [[substitute Autobot]] once though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Isn't that why you guys put an Autobrand on [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper's]] article to begin with? By that logic, Sari should be considered as an Autobot, if going by that reason alone.[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:32, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't she call herself an Autobot in Endgame II? Either way, we call Snarl an Autobot, even though he was only ever in the substitutes, so why can't we call her one as well? Even though she was never given the actual brand, she called herself an Autobot pretty much the entire third season.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't recall her calling herself an Autobot, but I could be wrong. Snarl's toy is an Autobot ''and'' he has an Autobrand on the show, so he is an Autobot. - Starfield (logged off) [[Special:Contributions/69.14.126.15|69.14.126.15]] 18:54, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::The line was "All Autobots, half-bots and almost-bots present and accounted for." She seems to have double-counted herself there (unless you think she was being very rude to at least one from Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Ratchet or Arcee), but that's no reason to think she was calling herself an "Autobot" :) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::I thought "almost-bots" was referring to the protoforms. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Didn't they go back for them? [At the very least, they must have gone back for Lugnut, who we ''see'' get left behind, and possibly Shockwave]. One possible explanation, I suppose, but they certainly weren't visible on the bridge for her to "account" for. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::This is ridiculous. She is absolutely an Autobot. If the Dinobots count as autobots then sari definitely is one!--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 20:59, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The Dinobots have big Autobot sigils on their bodies. Sari does not. She also never refers to herself as an Autobot, nor does anyone else. The closest she's been is a "Replacement Autobot", but that's not a full-fledged Autobot. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:20, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

==Sari's Transformation Noise==

Isn't it ALSO shared with the Headmaster Unit, which was the first human-built transforma-majig I think we saw in Animated continuity? --[[Special:Contributions/82.41.82.198|82.41.82.198]] 05:30, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

:Sari's body is a hybrid, but it's established in Transwarped that she is basically organic. The protoform seems to have adjusted beyond a half and half split [[User:Eire]] 26 May 23.57 (UTC)

::The impression I got was that her body is 100% carbon-based (i.e., organic) - ''but that'' that organic material was mostly arranged as technology to a nominally Cybertronian design, just carbon-based rather than (e.g.) silicon-based. A Beast Machine, basically. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

== Sari's Jetpack ==

Is it just me, or is there a goodly amount of similarity between her scooter/jetpack and the technobot Afterburner? Peach/Cream colorscheme, wheels set out from the body, designed by a supergenius.. (Okay, stretching on that last one) but similarity is there. Not a LOT, but there.

== KP captions ==

Do we really need the KP captions? Is the goal to increase the creepiness factor of ''Animated''? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:25, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:Honestly, the whole KP joke is more than played out. I'm about ready to lump it in with "Bonecrusher hates _____" and "____ superior, _____ inferior" in the "never make these fucking 'jokes' again" category. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:50, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::Agreed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:26, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== '''TF Animated Human Figures''' ==

So I was perusing the web for info on figures and I came to this website: http://www.tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/692/. Apparently Sari, Fanzone, and Isaac are available in Japan but so far not here. I think for collecting's sake they would be cool to have but what I'd really like to see is Omega Supreme. {{unsigned|24.21.50.161|07:35, 22 July 2010 (EDT)}}
:I don't think those are official. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:39, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They definitely aren't — they're made by Impossible Toys. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sari's Weaponry ==

NONE of her regular upgrades (jump boosters, blades, shield, hammer) are sealed away. [http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt/q/1050691993 Source] This needs to be clarified. -- [[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 09:57, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== SG Sari ==
So, uh, I guess Shattered Glass Sari, after a fashion, is canon now: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/397543-transformers-generations-2011-vol-1-a.html] What do we do with her? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
: *scratches head* Note on Sari's page? We don't normally give much credit to out-of-fiction pin-ups/art books, really, do we? Witness something like ''[[Genesis]]'' and the many potential little events or "continuities" within its artwork. Of course, they didn't create new characaters, but... hrmn. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:00, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Some of the images in ''Genesis'' are treated as micro-continuities. I think SG Sari could get her own page. It won't be a big page, but it makes more sense than having her as a big note in a different character's article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:11, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Do we KNOW that's SG Sari? I mean, the guy says it is, but maybe he just means Evil Sari. What I'm saying is Motormaster isn't from Shattered Glass, so why would he be holding someone who was? -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:20, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Well, Wyatt has drawn an image of that character and posted it on his blog as "Shattered Glass Sari", so we "know" its her because of that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:23, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, those posted Derrick arts are how the dude recognized SG Sari as SG Sari. [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2010/10/many-moods-of-sari-sumdac.html] (Though the reason I said "after a fashion" is because we don't know her "real" name.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:44, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh. Well, then. There are certainly characters with pages who have less of an appearance than that. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:41, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Sari's origins ==

On the "Continuity Errors" section these can be somewhat explained. First, Issac could of, like you guys said, picked his nose. Or ear. Second, think back to Beast Wars. Did Tigatron become female just because he scanned a female tiger? No. So, perhaps, in both Primax 984.17 Alpha and Malgus 1207.26 Alpha the protoforms must have preprogramed genders. {{unsigned|184.56.27.61}}
:Besides, whoever said that "Shouldn't she look like Issac Sumdac" on Transwarped Talk page, does Bulkhead have the same color as his scanned alternate mode? Or Primax 984.17 Alpha's version of Optimus Prime, for that matter? {{unsigned|184.56.27.61}}

Talk:Flames of Yesterday

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==That green guy==

On page 14, the Stormtroopers mention a "white and green Autobot with a familiar accent" and his big green friend. Any ideas? I assume "familiar accent" means another UK-only release like the Stormtroopers, but other than that I'm drawing a blank. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 12:28, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:That threw me too when I first read the story, but when I saw that the person who initially made this page put Thunderclash and Landshark in the "cameos" section, after wondering where the heck those two were mentioned in the story I finally put two and two together. (Since Thunderclash is "white and green" and has been portrayed as having a Southern accent, and Landshark qualifies as "big and green".) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Minotron ==
Is it Minotron or Minotoron as on Metalhawk and Dion's pages? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:08, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's Minotoron. --[[Special:Contributions/96.233.189.196|96.233.189.196]] 08:33, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Thunderblast ==
God, where is the Thunderblast page? Somebody might as well add a Yoketron and Halogen from "A Team Effort" as well. {{Unsigned|184.56.27.61}}
:Someone will get to it when someone feels like it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:26, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:Still, we should at least get to Thunderblast. Yoketron and Halogen were imaginary friends, but Thunderblast was a real wome-er,fembot who Swindle dated. Plus, you guys should update the "Around Cybertron" page too. {{unsigned|184.56.27.61}}
:::WE should! Why don't YOU read the guidelines for creating a character page and do it YOUrself? -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 21:01, 27 May 2011 (EDT)
:Still don't understand how to make a new page. God, how do you make a title {{Unsigned|[[Special:Contributions/184.56.27.61|184.56.27.61]] 21:29, 27 May 2011 (EDT)}}

Talk:Sari Sumdac (Animated)

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==Meta-category==
'Tentative' meta-category? (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sandals and such==
I'm debating undoing the "not a Kiss Player" addition, but can't quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I'll leave it to someone else. I'm also tempted to change the picture caption, as I'm pretty sure those aren't sandals. (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.) However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow. If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==Adopted?==
I'm curious... what's the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari's bio stated that she's adopted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Well-liked character?==
I'd really like to debate that she's "well-liked" so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her. So unless we're of a gross minority, I think it's safe to say her appeal is not universal. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I don't hate her, therefore every fan doesn't hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her! I'm just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her. And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my "social circle" and so far it's been nothing but "she's annoying" and "neutral." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thus far, I kinda like her. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
: I personally like how she's the first girl in an American-made series to be '''the''' major human character, and she's a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn't annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn't make me automatically love all the characters she plays. The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari's character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no "omg sekrit POWARZ" to make him more "interesting." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Spike didn't have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there's the Headmaster thing. Also, calling ''Animated'''s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon ''way'' to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe. They were all "human" in the same way. But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime. And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans. In fact, that's WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1's lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art. Anyway, I'm running speedily away from my point. That is, I and every other TF fan I've talked to absolutely despise Sari. Calling her "well liked, more so than usual" on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me. It's fine to call her a "generally liked character" or even just "a popular human character," but using the turn of phrase that's there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.

::::::Hell, at this point I'd even take Kicker. At least his art style doesn't hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already! People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube. People dismissed the game as "kiddie" just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series. Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.

:::::::Just give it a chance. I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80's comic look of G1. Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]? Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat. At least in a cartoon that's somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I've been giving it as much of a chance as I can. And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like). TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it's laughable. I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do. And the "but the movie did it!" excuse doesn't quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay. Oh, and the movie didn't use it EVERY HALF HOUR. 'OHAI, it's a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.' ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don't like her! She is annoying. All others that I have spoken to share this opinion. It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as "well liked, more so than usual." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against. If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we'll most likely change the page. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, that's frustrating. The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki? Lamesauce. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, but we're confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren't cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them. The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.
:::::::::::I'm not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) ''exressing'' the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument. So we have to say "Gee, if ''everyone'' thinks this, do most of us think this?" And if the answer's no, we'll usually revert sweeping statements. It's possible that we might be ''wrong'' and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it's the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all? I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom. Please, feel free to re-read my comments. I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it's unjustifiably overblown in the article. Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views. I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the "Notes" section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That's Jazz. lulz.) I'm actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it's hard when I'm surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well we can't very well quantify "all others you have spoken to," no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the "reasonably well-liked" comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there's probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd quantify it as "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's my opinion of Sari- she's okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she's astonishingly ''non''-annoying. So 'reasonably well liked.'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as "TF:CHINS." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I'm automatically discounted? Wow. I guess I've been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far. It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I'm a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible. I'm not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I'm just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her. Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she's a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT? I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me. And I really don't consider TF:CHINS to be a 'derisive' nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated's art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual" conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The "arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron" folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was ''physically abusive toward the Autobots''. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget Fred's inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼" floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level. Personally, I love Sari. Best human character in a TF series, as far as I'm concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual."

Now from what I've seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I've observed doesn't seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Has ''anyone'' here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts "reasonably well liked, more so than usual"? If people don't like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that's separate from liking her herself. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement. He doesn't like her, and the people he's talked to (before coming here) don't like her. That doesn't make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans. Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in ''their'' observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans. The phrasing "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" doesn't even remotely mean "all the fans think she's great". It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her. As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks. There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari. But she is, on average, *not* hated. That is definitely worthy of note. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this "on average?" It can't be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans. That is all I have been trying to get across here. There's no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans. I find the "well liked, more so than usual" statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes. How about we just say she's "generally popular" or "mostly liked" instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I'd call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki's talk page to justify what's on the wiki! Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me. Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references. Just because the people that hang out on a character's talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion. I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being "generally popular" or "mostly liked!" How horrible of me! I'm corrupting the TF fandom! Jeez. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Dude, you're not kidding when you say you're skilled at stirring up drama! As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you've made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion. Maybe something along the lines of "mostly well-liked" would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, what's really crazy is I'm not even TRYING to stir up drama. At this point I'm convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character. (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I'm new and have a different opinion. I'm getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I say leave it the way it is. We shouldn't change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should. Combobreaker, you say we aren't showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked. Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN'T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, point missed. The way she's referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her. They don't, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're also supposed to find consensus. We think we ''have''. If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe ''you'' should be citing references to support ''your'' point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki. Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else. I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid. Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular. Fine, that's awesome. My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she's despised. In this situation I think it's perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it's going to 11. I'd like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands. Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you really think that "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" is an 11?
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]? I'm sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn't let this one trivia point occupy all your time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said "it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character" and Derik says she is "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's less general than what is there now.
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google "Sari Sumdac" and tell me what the first result says about her. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I'd start with something small. I had no idea I'd start such a mess just by wanting a character's unquantified popularity slightly edited. That's why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn't want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off. Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Don't worry too much about it, dude. Contributions will be judged on their own merits. This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers'a edit; I don't think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute. If they do, they'll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here. I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I'm a little sketchy on the human characters. Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination! It says she is "reasonably well-liked, more so than usual," basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she's the mesiah or something. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Repowers's edit==
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, that's all I wanted. I'm happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not human?==
That's a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think ''something'' from it needs noting, because Tara Strong's interview and the events of "Megatron Rising" make it clear that there's ''SOMETHING'' unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's a reason I put in the whole "counterpoints" thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Things that don't exist==
Seeing how she, legally, doesn't exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don't exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We should blank this whole article. There is no information on a 'Sari Sumdac'. (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works. I imagine we'll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now? I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Work of genius" or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it's best to leave the joke at including her in the category, it's a funny way to end the article without confusing people who haven't been watching Animated. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 04:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==

:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].''

But is she Really?
I know we don't want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I've often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.
:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a Squid-Creature. We're not all that sure right now to be honest....''
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 18:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds pretty good to me. Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the "debate" here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I've done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Personaly, I think the little 'squid creature' thing is kinda funny, and I vote for temproarily adding it to the article. At least until we learn she's really a human/[[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cyborg]] / robotic android/ squid thing/ *master/ gobot-in-disquise/ whatever she ends up being (my vote's for geneticly altered clone). [[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 02:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Incoming spoiler alert==
No, this isn't revealing what Sari actually is. It is a warning about how [[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]] is going to air in Dubai tomorrow, and that it is very likely that the truth about Sari will be revealed then. I strongly suggest that we semi-protect this article to prevent it from becoming too spoilerific (word?) and preserve the dignity of this Wiki. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too bloody right! I've been away for a couple of days and appear to have missed the big furor over the Animated spoilers (which were annoying the chocolate-coated fudge out of me), but I seem to have been lucky enough to avoid anything major thus far, and want to keep it that way! = [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::And though semi-protect would allow others to still edit it, it would stop new and unregistered users, the most likely culprits, from adding things. Theoretically, we might have to keep it semi-protected until A Bridge Too Close actually airs. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:We're starting to get spoilers for other stuff already, and they're big ones. Someone needs to lock this page now, or we are in for a world of reverts. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==
I think we should replace the toppic since A, it isn't the model used in the cartoon, and B, we now have it at the bottom. {{unsigned|96.227.184.235}}
:Please sign your posts. Take a better look; the two pics are different. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry. -Anonymous

== "Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?" ==
From the new piece of Trivia, "In the first part of "Transform And Roll Out!", Sari's father is seen constructing what appears to be a mechanical arm, before noticing Megatron falling from the sky. Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?", I've watched the clip and don't find it very likely. It looks more like an average robotic arm (one that looks similar to another hanging from Isaac's ceiling).

Opinions? ([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 06:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

:Yeah, even aside from the unlikelihood that Isaac was working on Sari at that point in time, that arm is much too big to be Sari's. -- [[User:Greenygal|Greenygal]] 10:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

: I'm not sure about the arm, but in the intro special, they also happened to be working on nanobots. Even going through the whole spiel on fusing human and machine. Guess what Sari appears to be. [[User:Xevon|Xevon]] 06:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
::And we saw how well THAT experiment worked. If he couldn't get down that process after Sari already existed, how could he have managed it to create her?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

:*There might have been a big difference between the technology and resources used to create Sari and the technology and resources that they were planning to use in mass production or for public use. Furthermore, if a lot of alien technology(such as technology that is far more advanced than their current technology) was used to make Sari, it could have become too conspicuous, especially if there was no proper introduction for the technology. This would mean that people such as the military or other corporations might start poking their fingers into Sumdac's source of inspiration. There is also the possibility that Sumdac had plucked spare parts right off Megatron, such as rare metals(especially those not readily found on earth) to make Sari, hence he couldn't make another attempt. Another possibility is that Sari is Sumdac's greatest life work, in whom he was pouring all his resources, skills and time and all his other creations are just scraps, spares and extras that he made so that he could support Sari in both her construction and her development. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:*None of that really touches on whether the arm in TaRO Pt. 1 was Sari's or not, which was the original question here. *While that's some nice mental exercise, it's a lot of far-reaching speculation without much to back it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC) </ol> It will all be speculation until the series itself provides more information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:And specualtion is for messageboards, not this wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== quote ==
Personally I think the "If you think I'm gonna let you geaeheads out of my sight, you're nuts, and I don't mean the kind that come with bolts" quote better than the current one because she said it, and it just suits her personality more, but then that's just my opinion [[User:Chromia|Chromia]] 16:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Transformersanimated.com is not affiliated with Hasbro, Cartoon network, or ''anyone'' official. ==
It is a ''fansite''. It states so directly on the site's footer. What's more, they are a fansite that, like many of them, has far less stringent requirements for inclusion than this wiki. Just as you would not put something from TFW2005, The Allspark, or TFormers.com up here without first checking if they got it from an official source rather than a leak, apply that reasoning to Transformersanimated.com's news. Don't let the domain name fool you.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:59, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:Given Hasbro went after domain names based upon their trademarks i the late 90s and early 2000s, I'm surprised they didn't go after this site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

== New Caption Suggestion for Super-Sari ==
I humbly suggest, for the judgment of the council, that the caption of the picture of "Super-" or "Robo-" Sari be changed from it's current state, "Masterforce!" to the much awesomer (you read that right) "It's Morphin' Time!" After careful study and extensive meditation, I have reached the conclusion that this would be met with more sniggers from any readers. What say you?
--[[User:Keegman|Keegman]] 07:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

As the Joker would say, "If you have to explain the joke, THEN THERE IS NO JOKE!"
[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:30, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

== Sari and fans ==
We're into the third season, and this is just kind of hanging here like a vestigial organ. It's not trivia, it's very speculatey, and now that more of her origin has been revealed it's quite a bit redundant.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:17, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:Now that her origin is (mostly) revealed, the "Things that don't exist" category isn't really funny anymore. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:21, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== Age? ==

Has it been confirmed yet what teenage robo-Sari's age is? I know in Human error pt 1, when Sumdac gave her the scooter, she said, "Thanks dad, but I was hoping for something with four wheels," implying that she is sixteen-ish, but she came across more as a 13-ish year old to me. Anyone have an answer? -[[User:JesWalHok|JesWalHok]] 17:35, 18 April 2009 (EDT)JesWalHok
:Seems fairly unlikely to be confirmed, as there's no real way to figure out how "old" someone who just spontaneously grew up is with any precision.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Well its apperent that she believes in Santa Clause something a normal 8-year-old would beleive in. So technicaly she is mentaly at age 8. D.J.Sky 4-21-09 6:38

I agree with ... D.J.Sky Is It? I think she is taking advantage of her age just to get a car.--E-Bot April 21 2009.
:I take offense to that...besides, doesn't Prowl prove that Santa was a Transformer, anyway?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that was just a gag the writers came up with. And by the way, he was implying that Santa has clones.--E-Bot April 22 2009

::I hope no-one objects, but I've taken the liberty of removing the "Thirteen-year-old" part of the phrase "''Her body was "aged" so that she appeared to be a '''thirteen-year-old''' teenager''", since her apparent physical age if frankly pretty speculative, both from a logical standpoint regarding her intrinsic literal and mental age (discussed above) and also just because of the stylised character models. To some people she apparently looks 13, to others, she looks 16, etc...
::Since the only canonical statement that I'm aware of is that her dad says "she looks like a teenager now", it seems to me that we probably shouldn't be making any interpretive statement about how old she looks specifically, just that she looks like "a teenager".[[User:AlertSpoiler|AlertSpoiler]] 02:18, 28 November 2010 (EST)

== Female Transformer? ==

Since Sari is a Cybertronian lifeform with (presumably) a spark and circuits, couldn't she be considered a female Transformer now? It could be that her human form is her alt mode, kind of like Blackarachnia and Waspinator's bug modes. Should we add her to the ranks?--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 14:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Yes! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:33, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
*I agree. Sari's basically an Autobot with an organic mode. You can not dispute that, no matter how hard you try.[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 13:01, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

**So...what's the verdict? Do we slap an Autobrand on her article or what?[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 19:33, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::No, she isn't an Autobot. She grew up human and never officially joined the Autobots. She was a [[substitute Autobot]] once though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Isn't that why you guys put an Autobrand on [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper's]] article to begin with? By that logic, Sari should be considered as an Autobot, if going by that reason alone.[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:32, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't she call herself an Autobot in Endgame II? Either way, we call Snarl an Autobot, even though he was only ever in the substitutes, so why can't we call her one as well? Even though she was never given the actual brand, she called herself an Autobot pretty much the entire third season.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't recall her calling herself an Autobot, but I could be wrong. Snarl's toy is an Autobot ''and'' he has an Autobrand on the show, so he is an Autobot. - Starfield (logged off) [[Special:Contributions/69.14.126.15|69.14.126.15]] 18:54, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::The line was "All Autobots, half-bots and almost-bots present and accounted for." She seems to have double-counted herself there (unless you think she was being very rude to at least one from Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Ratchet or Arcee), but that's no reason to think she was calling herself an "Autobot" :) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::I thought "almost-bots" was referring to the protoforms. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Didn't they go back for them? [At the very least, they must have gone back for Lugnut, who we ''see'' get left behind, and possibly Shockwave]. One possible explanation, I suppose, but they certainly weren't visible on the bridge for her to "account" for. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::This is ridiculous. She is absolutely an Autobot. If the Dinobots count as autobots then sari definitely is one!--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 20:59, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The Dinobots have big Autobot sigils on their bodies. Sari does not. She also never refers to herself as an Autobot, nor does anyone else. The closest she's been is a "Replacement Autobot", but that's not a full-fledged Autobot. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:20, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

==Sari's Transformation Noise==

Isn't it ALSO shared with the Headmaster Unit, which was the first human-built transforma-majig I think we saw in Animated continuity? --[[Special:Contributions/82.41.82.198|82.41.82.198]] 05:30, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

:Sari's body is a hybrid, but it's established in Transwarped that she is basically organic. The protoform seems to have adjusted beyond a half and half split [[User:Eire]] 26 May 23.57 (UTC)

::The impression I got was that her body is 100% carbon-based (i.e., organic) - ''but that'' that organic material was mostly arranged as technology to a nominally Cybertronian design, just carbon-based rather than (e.g.) silicon-based. A Beast Machine, basically. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

== Sari's Jetpack ==

Is it just me, or is there a goodly amount of similarity between her scooter/jetpack and the technobot Afterburner? Peach/Cream colorscheme, wheels set out from the body, designed by a supergenius.. (Okay, stretching on that last one) but similarity is there. Not a LOT, but there.

== KP captions ==

Do we really need the KP captions? Is the goal to increase the creepiness factor of ''Animated''? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:25, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:Honestly, the whole KP joke is more than played out. I'm about ready to lump it in with "Bonecrusher hates _____" and "____ superior, _____ inferior" in the "never make these fucking 'jokes' again" category. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:50, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::Agreed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:26, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== '''TF Animated Human Figures''' ==

So I was perusing the web for info on figures and I came to this website: http://www.tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/692/. Apparently Sari, Fanzone, and Isaac are available in Japan but so far not here. I think for collecting's sake they would be cool to have but what I'd really like to see is Omega Supreme. {{unsigned|24.21.50.161|07:35, 22 July 2010 (EDT)}}
:I don't think those are official. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:39, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They definitely aren't — they're made by Impossible Toys. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sari's Weaponry ==

NONE of her regular upgrades (jump boosters, blades, shield, hammer) are sealed away. [http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt/q/1050691993 Source] This needs to be clarified. -- [[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 09:57, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== SG Sari ==
So, uh, I guess Shattered Glass Sari, after a fashion, is canon now: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/397543-transformers-generations-2011-vol-1-a.html] What do we do with her? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
: *scratches head* Note on Sari's page? We don't normally give much credit to out-of-fiction pin-ups/art books, really, do we? Witness something like ''[[Genesis]]'' and the many potential little events or "continuities" within its artwork. Of course, they didn't create new characaters, but... hrmn. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:00, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Some of the images in ''Genesis'' are treated as micro-continuities. I think SG Sari could get her own page. It won't be a big page, but it makes more sense than having her as a big note in a different character's article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:11, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Do we KNOW that's SG Sari? I mean, the guy says it is, but maybe he just means Evil Sari. What I'm saying is Motormaster isn't from Shattered Glass, so why would he be holding someone who was? -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:20, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Well, Wyatt has drawn an image of that character and posted it on his blog as "Shattered Glass Sari", so we "know" its her because of that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:23, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, those posted Derrick arts are how the dude recognized SG Sari as SG Sari. [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2010/10/many-moods-of-sari-sumdac.html] (Though the reason I said "after a fashion" is because we don't know her "real" name.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:44, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh. Well, then. There are certainly characters with pages who have less of an appearance than that. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:41, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Sari's origions ==

On the "Continuity Errors" section these can be somewhat explained. First, Issac could of, like you guys said, picked his nose. Or ear. Second, think back to Beast Wars. Did Tigatron become female just because he scanned a female tiger? No. So, perhaps, in both Primax 984.17 Alpha and Malgus 1205.26 Alpha the protoforms must have preprogramed genders.
:Besides, whoever said that "Shouldn't she look like Issac Sumdac" on Transwarped Talk page, does Bulkhead have the same color as his scanned alternate mode? Or Primax 984.17 Alpha's version of Optimus Prime, for that matter?

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==Meta-category==
'Tentative' meta-category? (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sandals and such==
I'm debating undoing the "not a Kiss Player" addition, but can't quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I'll leave it to someone else. I'm also tempted to change the picture caption, as I'm pretty sure those aren't sandals. (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.) However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow. If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==Adopted?==
I'm curious... what's the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari's bio stated that she's adopted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Well-liked character?==
I'd really like to debate that she's "well-liked" so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her. So unless we're of a gross minority, I think it's safe to say her appeal is not universal. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I don't hate her, therefore every fan doesn't hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her! I'm just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her. And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my "social circle" and so far it's been nothing but "she's annoying" and "neutral." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thus far, I kinda like her. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
: I personally like how she's the first girl in an American-made series to be '''the''' major human character, and she's a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn't annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn't make me automatically love all the characters she plays. The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari's character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no "omg sekrit POWARZ" to make him more "interesting." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Spike didn't have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there's the Headmaster thing. Also, calling ''Animated'''s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon ''way'' to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe. They were all "human" in the same way. But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime. And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans. In fact, that's WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1's lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art. Anyway, I'm running speedily away from my point. That is, I and every other TF fan I've talked to absolutely despise Sari. Calling her "well liked, more so than usual" on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me. It's fine to call her a "generally liked character" or even just "a popular human character," but using the turn of phrase that's there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.

::::::Hell, at this point I'd even take Kicker. At least his art style doesn't hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already! People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube. People dismissed the game as "kiddie" just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series. Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.

:::::::Just give it a chance. I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80's comic look of G1. Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]? Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat. At least in a cartoon that's somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I've been giving it as much of a chance as I can. And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like). TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it's laughable. I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do. And the "but the movie did it!" excuse doesn't quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay. Oh, and the movie didn't use it EVERY HALF HOUR. 'OHAI, it's a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.' ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don't like her! She is annoying. All others that I have spoken to share this opinion. It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as "well liked, more so than usual." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against. If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we'll most likely change the page. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, that's frustrating. The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki? Lamesauce. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, but we're confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren't cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them. The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.
:::::::::::I'm not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) ''exressing'' the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument. So we have to say "Gee, if ''everyone'' thinks this, do most of us think this?" And if the answer's no, we'll usually revert sweeping statements. It's possible that we might be ''wrong'' and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it's the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all? I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom. Please, feel free to re-read my comments. I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it's unjustifiably overblown in the article. Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views. I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the "Notes" section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That's Jazz. lulz.) I'm actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it's hard when I'm surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well we can't very well quantify "all others you have spoken to," no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the "reasonably well-liked" comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there's probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd quantify it as "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's my opinion of Sari- she's okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she's astonishingly ''non''-annoying. So 'reasonably well liked.'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as "TF:CHINS." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I'm automatically discounted? Wow. I guess I've been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far. It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I'm a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible. I'm not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I'm just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her. Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she's a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT? I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me. And I really don't consider TF:CHINS to be a 'derisive' nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated's art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual" conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The "arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron" folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was ''physically abusive toward the Autobots''. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget Fred's inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼" floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level. Personally, I love Sari. Best human character in a TF series, as far as I'm concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual."

Now from what I've seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I've observed doesn't seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Has ''anyone'' here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts "reasonably well liked, more so than usual"? If people don't like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that's separate from liking her herself. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement. He doesn't like her, and the people he's talked to (before coming here) don't like her. That doesn't make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans. Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in ''their'' observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans. The phrasing "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" doesn't even remotely mean "all the fans think she's great". It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her. As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks. There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari. But she is, on average, *not* hated. That is definitely worthy of note. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this "on average?" It can't be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans. That is all I have been trying to get across here. There's no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans. I find the "well liked, more so than usual" statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes. How about we just say she's "generally popular" or "mostly liked" instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I'd call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki's talk page to justify what's on the wiki! Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me. Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references. Just because the people that hang out on a character's talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion. I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being "generally popular" or "mostly liked!" How horrible of me! I'm corrupting the TF fandom! Jeez. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Dude, you're not kidding when you say you're skilled at stirring up drama! As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you've made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion. Maybe something along the lines of "mostly well-liked" would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, what's really crazy is I'm not even TRYING to stir up drama. At this point I'm convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character. (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I'm new and have a different opinion. I'm getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I say leave it the way it is. We shouldn't change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should. Combobreaker, you say we aren't showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked. Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN'T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, point missed. The way she's referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her. They don't, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're also supposed to find consensus. We think we ''have''. If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe ''you'' should be citing references to support ''your'' point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki. Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else. I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid. Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular. Fine, that's awesome. My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she's despised. In this situation I think it's perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it's going to 11. I'd like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands. Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you really think that "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" is an 11?
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]? I'm sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn't let this one trivia point occupy all your time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said "it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character" and Derik says she is "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's less general than what is there now.
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google "Sari Sumdac" and tell me what the first result says about her. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I'd start with something small. I had no idea I'd start such a mess just by wanting a character's unquantified popularity slightly edited. That's why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn't want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off. Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Don't worry too much about it, dude. Contributions will be judged on their own merits. This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers'a edit; I don't think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute. If they do, they'll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here. I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I'm a little sketchy on the human characters. Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination! It says she is "reasonably well-liked, more so than usual," basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she's the mesiah or something. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Repowers's edit==
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, that's all I wanted. I'm happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not human?==
That's a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think ''something'' from it needs noting, because Tara Strong's interview and the events of "Megatron Rising" make it clear that there's ''SOMETHING'' unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's a reason I put in the whole "counterpoints" thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Things that don't exist==
Seeing how she, legally, doesn't exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don't exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We should blank this whole article. There is no information on a 'Sari Sumdac'. (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works. I imagine we'll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now? I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Work of genius" or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it's best to leave the joke at including her in the category, it's a funny way to end the article without confusing people who haven't been watching Animated. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 04:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==

:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].''

But is she Really?
I know we don't want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I've often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.
:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a Squid-Creature. We're not all that sure right now to be honest....''
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 18:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds pretty good to me. Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the "debate" here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I've done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Personaly, I think the little 'squid creature' thing is kinda funny, and I vote for temproarily adding it to the article. At least until we learn she's really a human/[[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cyborg]] / robotic android/ squid thing/ *master/ gobot-in-disquise/ whatever she ends up being (my vote's for geneticly altered clone). [[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 02:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Incoming spoiler alert==
No, this isn't revealing what Sari actually is. It is a warning about how [[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]] is going to air in Dubai tomorrow, and that it is very likely that the truth about Sari will be revealed then. I strongly suggest that we semi-protect this article to prevent it from becoming too spoilerific (word?) and preserve the dignity of this Wiki. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too bloody right! I've been away for a couple of days and appear to have missed the big furor over the Animated spoilers (which were annoying the chocolate-coated fudge out of me), but I seem to have been lucky enough to avoid anything major thus far, and want to keep it that way! = [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::And though semi-protect would allow others to still edit it, it would stop new and unregistered users, the most likely culprits, from adding things. Theoretically, we might have to keep it semi-protected until A Bridge Too Close actually airs. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:We're starting to get spoilers for other stuff already, and they're big ones. Someone needs to lock this page now, or we are in for a world of reverts. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==
I think we should replace the toppic since A, it isn't the model used in the cartoon, and B, we now have it at the bottom. {{unsigned|96.227.184.235}}
:Please sign your posts. Take a better look; the two pics are different. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry. -Anonymous

== "Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?" ==
From the new piece of Trivia, "In the first part of "Transform And Roll Out!", Sari's father is seen constructing what appears to be a mechanical arm, before noticing Megatron falling from the sky. Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?", I've watched the clip and don't find it very likely. It looks more like an average robotic arm (one that looks similar to another hanging from Isaac's ceiling).

Opinions? ([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 06:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

:Yeah, even aside from the unlikelihood that Isaac was working on Sari at that point in time, that arm is much too big to be Sari's. -- [[User:Greenygal|Greenygal]] 10:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

: I'm not sure about the arm, but in the intro special, they also happened to be working on nanobots. Even going through the whole spiel on fusing human and machine. Guess what Sari appears to be. [[User:Xevon|Xevon]] 06:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
::And we saw how well THAT experiment worked. If he couldn't get down that process after Sari already existed, how could he have managed it to create her?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

:*There might have been a big difference between the technology and resources used to create Sari and the technology and resources that they were planning to use in mass production or for public use. Furthermore, if a lot of alien technology(such as technology that is far more advanced than their current technology) was used to make Sari, it could have become too conspicuous, especially if there was no proper introduction for the technology. This would mean that people such as the military or other corporations might start poking their fingers into Sumdac's source of inspiration. There is also the possibility that Sumdac had plucked spare parts right off Megatron, such as rare metals(especially those not readily found on earth) to make Sari, hence he couldn't make another attempt. Another possibility is that Sari is Sumdac's greatest life work, in whom he was pouring all his resources, skills and time and all his other creations are just scraps, spares and extras that he made so that he could support Sari in both her construction and her development. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:*None of that really touches on whether the arm in TaRO Pt. 1 was Sari's or not, which was the original question here. *While that's some nice mental exercise, it's a lot of far-reaching speculation without much to back it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC) </ol> It will all be speculation until the series itself provides more information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:And specualtion is for messageboards, not this wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== quote ==
Personally I think the "If you think I'm gonna let you geaeheads out of my sight, you're nuts, and I don't mean the kind that come with bolts" quote better than the current one because she said it, and it just suits her personality more, but then that's just my opinion [[User:Chromia|Chromia]] 16:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Transformersanimated.com is not affiliated with Hasbro, Cartoon network, or ''anyone'' official. ==
It is a ''fansite''. It states so directly on the site's footer. What's more, they are a fansite that, like many of them, has far less stringent requirements for inclusion than this wiki. Just as you would not put something from TFW2005, The Allspark, or TFormers.com up here without first checking if they got it from an official source rather than a leak, apply that reasoning to Transformersanimated.com's news. Don't let the domain name fool you.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:59, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:Given Hasbro went after domain names based upon their trademarks i the late 90s and early 2000s, I'm surprised they didn't go after this site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

== New Caption Suggestion for Super-Sari ==
I humbly suggest, for the judgment of the council, that the caption of the picture of "Super-" or "Robo-" Sari be changed from it's current state, "Masterforce!" to the much awesomer (you read that right) "It's Morphin' Time!" After careful study and extensive meditation, I have reached the conclusion that this would be met with more sniggers from any readers. What say you?
--[[User:Keegman|Keegman]] 07:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

As the Joker would say, "If you have to explain the joke, THEN THERE IS NO JOKE!"
[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:30, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

== Sari and fans ==
We're into the third season, and this is just kind of hanging here like a vestigial organ. It's not trivia, it's very speculatey, and now that more of her origin has been revealed it's quite a bit redundant.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:17, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:Now that her origin is (mostly) revealed, the "Things that don't exist" category isn't really funny anymore. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:21, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== Age? ==

Has it been confirmed yet what teenage robo-Sari's age is? I know in Human error pt 1, when Sumdac gave her the scooter, she said, "Thanks dad, but I was hoping for something with four wheels," implying that she is sixteen-ish, but she came across more as a 13-ish year old to me. Anyone have an answer? -[[User:JesWalHok|JesWalHok]] 17:35, 18 April 2009 (EDT)JesWalHok
:Seems fairly unlikely to be confirmed, as there's no real way to figure out how "old" someone who just spontaneously grew up is with any precision.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Well its apperent that she believes in Santa Clause something a normal 8-year-old would beleive in. So technicaly she is mentaly at age 8. D.J.Sky 4-21-09 6:38

I agree with ... D.J.Sky Is It? I think she is taking advantage of her age just to get a car.--E-Bot April 21 2009.
:I take offense to that...besides, doesn't Prowl prove that Santa was a Transformer, anyway?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that was just a gag the writers came up with. And by the way, he was implying that Santa has clones.--E-Bot April 22 2009

::I hope no-one objects, but I've taken the liberty of removing the "Thirteen-year-old" part of the phrase "''Her body was "aged" so that she appeared to be a '''thirteen-year-old''' teenager''", since her apparent physical age if frankly pretty speculative, both from a logical standpoint regarding her intrinsic literal and mental age (discussed above) and also just because of the stylised character models. To some people she apparently looks 13, to others, she looks 16, etc...
::Since the only canonical statement that I'm aware of is that her dad says "she looks like a teenager now", it seems to me that we probably shouldn't be making any interpretive statement about how old she looks specifically, just that she looks like "a teenager".[[User:AlertSpoiler|AlertSpoiler]] 02:18, 28 November 2010 (EST)

== Female Transformer? ==

Since Sari is a Cybertronian lifeform with (presumably) a spark and circuits, couldn't she be considered a female Transformer now? It could be that her human form is her alt mode, kind of like Blackarachnia and Waspinator's bug modes. Should we add her to the ranks?--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 14:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Yes! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:33, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
*I agree. Sari's basically an Autobot with an organic mode. You can not dispute that, no matter how hard you try.[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 13:01, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

**So...what's the verdict? Do we slap an Autobrand on her article or what?[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 19:33, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::No, she isn't an Autobot. She grew up human and never officially joined the Autobots. She was a [[substitute Autobot]] once though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Isn't that why you guys put an Autobrand on [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper's]] article to begin with? By that logic, Sari should be considered as an Autobot, if going by that reason alone.[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:32, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't she call herself an Autobot in Endgame II? Either way, we call Snarl an Autobot, even though he was only ever in the substitutes, so why can't we call her one as well? Even though she was never given the actual brand, she called herself an Autobot pretty much the entire third season.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't recall her calling herself an Autobot, but I could be wrong. Snarl's toy is an Autobot ''and'' he has an Autobrand on the show, so he is an Autobot. - Starfield (logged off) [[Special:Contributions/69.14.126.15|69.14.126.15]] 18:54, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::The line was "All Autobots, half-bots and almost-bots present and accounted for." She seems to have double-counted herself there (unless you think she was being very rude to at least one from Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Ratchet or Arcee), but that's no reason to think she was calling herself an "Autobot" :) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::I thought "almost-bots" was referring to the protoforms. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Didn't they go back for them? [At the very least, they must have gone back for Lugnut, who we ''see'' get left behind, and possibly Shockwave]. One possible explanation, I suppose, but they certainly weren't visible on the bridge for her to "account" for. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::This is ridiculous. She is absolutely an Autobot. If the Dinobots count as autobots then sari definitely is one!--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 20:59, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The Dinobots have big Autobot sigils on their bodies. Sari does not. She also never refers to herself as an Autobot, nor does anyone else. The closest she's been is a "Replacement Autobot", but that's not a full-fledged Autobot. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:20, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

==Sari's Transformation Noise==

Isn't it ALSO shared with the Headmaster Unit, which was the first human-built transforma-majig I think we saw in Animated continuity? --[[Special:Contributions/82.41.82.198|82.41.82.198]] 05:30, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

:Sari's body is a hybrid, but it's established in Transwarped that she is basically organic. The protoform seems to have adjusted beyond a half and half split [[User:Eire]] 26 May 23.57 (UTC)

::The impression I got was that her body is 100% carbon-based (i.e., organic) - ''but that'' that organic material was mostly arranged as technology to a nominally Cybertronian design, just carbon-based rather than (e.g.) silicon-based. A Beast Machine, basically. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

== Sari's Jetpack ==

Is it just me, or is there a goodly amount of similarity between her scooter/jetpack and the technobot Afterburner? Peach/Cream colorscheme, wheels set out from the body, designed by a supergenius.. (Okay, stretching on that last one) but similarity is there. Not a LOT, but there.

== KP captions ==

Do we really need the KP captions? Is the goal to increase the creepiness factor of ''Animated''? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:25, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:Honestly, the whole KP joke is more than played out. I'm about ready to lump it in with "Bonecrusher hates _____" and "____ superior, _____ inferior" in the "never make these fucking 'jokes' again" category. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:50, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::Agreed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:26, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== '''TF Animated Human Figures''' ==

So I was perusing the web for info on figures and I came to this website: http://www.tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/692/. Apparently Sari, Fanzone, and Isaac are available in Japan but so far not here. I think for collecting's sake they would be cool to have but what I'd really like to see is Omega Supreme. {{unsigned|24.21.50.161|07:35, 22 July 2010 (EDT)}}
:I don't think those are official. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:39, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They definitely aren't — they're made by Impossible Toys. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sari's Weaponry ==

NONE of her regular upgrades (jump boosters, blades, shield, hammer) are sealed away. [http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt/q/1050691993 Source] This needs to be clarified. -- [[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 09:57, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== SG Sari ==
So, uh, I guess Shattered Glass Sari, after a fashion, is canon now: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/397543-transformers-generations-2011-vol-1-a.html] What do we do with her? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
: *scratches head* Note on Sari's page? We don't normally give much credit to out-of-fiction pin-ups/art books, really, do we? Witness something like ''[[Genesis]]'' and the many potential little events or "continuities" within its artwork. Of course, they didn't create new characaters, but... hrmn. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:00, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Some of the images in ''Genesis'' are treated as micro-continuities. I think SG Sari could get her own page. It won't be a big page, but it makes more sense than having her as a big note in a different character's article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:11, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Do we KNOW that's SG Sari? I mean, the guy says it is, but maybe he just means Evil Sari. What I'm saying is Motormaster isn't from Shattered Glass, so why would he be holding someone who was? -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:20, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Well, Wyatt has drawn an image of that character and posted it on his blog as "Shattered Glass Sari", so we "know" its her because of that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:23, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, those posted Derrick arts are how the dude recognized SG Sari as SG Sari. [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2010/10/many-moods-of-sari-sumdac.html] (Though the reason I said "after a fashion" is because we don't know her "real" name.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:44, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh. Well, then. There are certainly characters with pages who have less of an appearance than that. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:41, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Sari's origions ==

On the "Continuity Errors" section these can be somewhat explained. First, Issac could of, like you guys said, picked his nose. Or ear. Second, think back to Beast Wars. Did Tigatron become female just because he scanned a female tiger? No. So, perhaps, in both Primax 984.17 Alpha and Malgus 1205.26 Alpha the protoforms must have preprogramed genders.
:Besides, whoever said that "Shouldn't she look like Issac Sumdac" does Bulkhead have the same color as his scanned alternate mode? Or Primax 984.17 Alpha's version of Optimus Prime, for that matter?

Talk:Shadowzone (episode)

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184.56.27.61: /* Universal Stream Factor */

Talk:Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II

2011-05-28T00:49:29Z

184.56.27.61: /* Gargent Cluster */

You know, I'm reallly trying to remain calm, and it's a bit expected after the first one and everything, but seriously, book in hand, and ''oh my freaking god you guys for reals.'' - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:39, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Is it that cool? Because the first one has already taken the definition of "loaded with Easter eggs, in-jokes and other cool stuff" to previously non-existent levels. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Broke the scale, off the charts, shattered trousers past what Rocherts did with LSotW, and maybe blew our socks off if anything from his reaction. :D All I know is that I'm going to be giggling/squeeing quietly to myself, looking a loon, after I pick them up. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:16, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::Let me put it this way: On page 9, we get [[Octus (Animated)]]. And it's all uphill from there... [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Alignment is now canon ==

You magnificent bastards. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:Hnnh, and here we all [[Talk: Alignment|thought Jim was just joking]]. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:41, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The [[Template:Apocrypha|apocrypha template]] feels unlove. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:44, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It hasn't even been finalized yet! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:08, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Alignment? Canon?
::::Good grief. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:18, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
Details, please? I don't know of any way for Alignment-as-a-whole to become canon other than to be reprinted in its entirety in an official publication. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:In the in-universe introduction, the authors note that they were going to take on Decepticon disguises from "Alignment, the true and accurate account of the future of Primax 984.0 Gamma as chronicled by Simon Furman". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:35, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:: UNRELIABLE NARRATOR --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::The fact remains that the specific story details of Alignment were never approved by Hasbro. Does Alignment become official simply because another official publication says so in such broad terms? [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 07:21, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::You know, that's a good point. I wouldn't think Alignment can become official until it's actually approved as such by Hasbro. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yet another question for the next Hasbro Q&A. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:51, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Isn't Liege Maximo being one of the 13 from Alignment? And "Galvatron II"? Seems like at some point it is pointless to argue against it being in canon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:55, 1 July 2010 (EDT) (double checking my facts caused me to forget to sign)
:::::::Technically, Liege Maximo being one of the 13 was canonically from "Exodus" and "Galvatron II" was from a Japanese exclusive toy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Hasbro approved publication of ''this'' book, and there's absolutely no other sane way to interpret authorial intent, here. The creators of this canonical Transformers book intended to make Alignment canonical. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, it's not like the statement was completely obscured within universal-stream language, either, meaning Hasbro could easily miss it. It's pretty straight-forward. Unfortunately. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Unfortunately? Alignment was awesome. Hell, it's part of my personal canon.
::::::I'll just shut up now before I start rambling. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:03, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I dunno, it all seems kind of silly to me. Because, hey, I have several fanfics (not by me) I wouldn't mind seeing canonized if we can suddenly make official with a single sentence (in a book in a different continuity by a different author, to boot) things that were never approved or officially published by Hasbro. (An author deciding to borrow elements from an unofficial story into his own official one is very different than trying to declare an entire as-is unofficial story as official canon.)
:::::::This seems to me like playing a bit too much more fast and loose with the canon wand than we should be. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:13, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Hasbro ''also'' officially approved and published the Ultimate Guide, in which Simon Furman himself says Alignment is unofficial fanfic. As so often is the case when we get into author-intentism, it is now a contest of which author's intent we validate. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:32, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm much more inclined to go with the intent of the writer of the contested piece proper. Soooooo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:49, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::Later material, by definition, supercedes earlier material, yes? Ergo, previously Hasbro didn't consider it canon (when TUG went to print), but as of 2010 they do. Same as the singularity-god-Unicron thing overriding his G1toon origin, f'rinstance. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:35, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Not unless it's later material in the exact same continuity a la IDW or such where the later writer actually has some "right" to change the work.
::::::::::And things like the Sentinel/Zeta mixup (and there's been implications that "Hail and Farewell" also is an example) show that Hasbro or its appointed editors sometimes approve things they didn't realize the full ramifications of and later backtrack on. Do we have evidence that the current Hasbro folks know what Alignment is, rather than just thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up out of thin air as a cute reference?
::::::::::Unless we do, I'm with Sipher on this one. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:57, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Furman says Alignment is fanfic, but does that mean that he would be against canonizing it? Saying it is fanfic is a statement of fact, it was produced without official approval. But Furman has used concepts from Alignment elsewhere so he is apparently open to the possibility of it coming into continuity. But the final arbiter is Hasbro, and I'm pretty sure your "thinking it was some imaginary book/story Sorenson made up" theory is correct. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::We have never stopped to question whether Hasbro knows or cares about the minutiae in Transformers fiction and works. Why the hell are we starting ''now''? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Because up until now (AFAIK) we've never been faced with declaring a previously unofficial story as official and canon, have we? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:33, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::If it is in-universe, does that mean "the authors" you speak of are [[Bill Forster (Animated)]] and [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)]]? And this document they are talking about is "Alignment (Animated history book)" and this Simon Furman is "Simon Furman (Animated)"? Unless [[Alignment]] crossed dimensions from Quadwal to Malgus or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:50, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::If we're getting that down-to-details, I always had a problem declaring Beta Maxx and Caliburn to be Micromasters based on a magazine cover in an Amimated book. Doesn't that mag cover signify the creation of Beta Maxx (Animated) and Caliburn (Animated)? -- [[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:44, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::They were Micromasters well before then, actually. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Right, they were always Micromasters. Also, that magazine spoken of is a multiversal magazine, so all of the folks mentioned on it were the originals. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:26, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::There ''are'' times I like the way you people think. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::And on the other hand, there are times when I want to punch you people really hard. In the face. Twice. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:30, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Only a punch in the face instead of murder? Either you're slipping or we are, McFeely. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:16, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Do you know how much Cybertronix I've translated tonight? I'm too tired for murder... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:18, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
(Reducing indents for readability.) I'm honestly surprised this is a matter for debate. We have here a genuine Transformers product which says, in the introduction, in nigh-on so many words, that "Alignment" by Simon Furman is now canon for the Marvel Comics universe. I mean, what do we want, a burning bush? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:52, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Primus projecting his voice into our heads. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Actually, McFeely, I'm joining you in wanting to punch people. This tendency to accept as canon statements from people who have no connection whatsoever to what they're retconning since they're neither editors nor official writers in that continuity is getting into irritating fanwank territory. 
Especially when it comes to things like Killzone and Sentinel Major, when you have the people who ''wrote the stories in question still here and present'' and telling you basically "No, sorry, it doesn't work that way". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Season 4: Apocryphal or . . . ? ==

So, Almanac 2 contains an episode-by-episode synopsis of what Animated season 4 would have been. Since this is material included in an official Transformers publication, it obviously has a place in this wiki. I assume, however, that we don't count these events as ''actually having happened'' in the Animated universe? (I mean, an argument can be made that the events "happened", and we're just learning about them in canonical text-blurb form instead of canonical animated episode form . . . ) [[User:JW|JW]] 23:00, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:The events did not happen. Unwritten and unpublished stories are at the same level as unreleased toys. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:13, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::...er, these ''are'' published, though. Actually, I think I have an easy solution, which will have to be backed up by someone who has the book already. Does this part of the book have the "out of universe" hazard border or not?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:38, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It does. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:15, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::::Then that likely settles it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:19, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== What To Do With Bludgeon (Animated)? ==

This book includes concept drawings for Bludgeon (Animated), who could have been a character in Season 4. (Here's a hint: Arrrr!) Since he never actually appeared, he presumably doesn't deserve his own page, but he's kinda cool. Where should he be mentioned? This page, nowhere at all, in our hearts? [[User:JW|JW]] 01:04, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:We have plenty of pages on unreleased characters. See [[:Category:Things that don't exist]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:12, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I assume we also do this with all the other "would've been in Season 4 but Animated got cancelled" stuff? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:14, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:::We could make a Transformers Animated Season 4 page that could include blurbs of all this information, rather than have small individual articles with little information cluttering up the Things that don't exist category. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I agree. As we discussed with the first AA (on things like "M'kraan crystal (Animated)", it is useless to create a unique page that would never contain any more content than the linking and disambiguation pages that led to it in the first place. There should be an aggregated "List of Unused Season 4 Concepts", and possibly even a "List of Minor Characters Mentioned in AA2" (those who are only name-dropped and who get less than one sentence of content). "Overlord (Animated)" is probably right at the threshold of who could ever deserve to have a unique page: we know his faction, have an image, and literally one sentence of story. I think peeps with less than that should all be gang-treated on one page, because they're so slight it would be hard to imagine anybody looking for them on their own. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::Then throw the unused S4 stuff in Things that don't exist. It makes sense and I like the category. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:26, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with Thylacine on the creation of a "Transformers Animated Season 4" page, where we can throw the S4 plot synopses and assorted character concepts. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:11, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Gargent Cluster ==
Now that the Tonka GoBots have their own Universal Stream continuity family indicator, does that make them canon enough to include on this wiki? PLEASE? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:42, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:Not to mention the Xobitor stream. Robotix, man, Ro-freakin'-botix! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:16, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::Robotix is small enough to cover here in one page, alla the Tonka GoBots page. Maybe this could revive the GoBot sister wiki idea. Last I recall it was voted for and then nothing ever happened in constructing it.--[[Special:Contributions/99.111.196.209|99.111.196.209]] 16:19, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::: There's a Quadwal cluster, but that doesn't mean we cover real life. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:07, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::: To be fair, we actually DO cover beings from Quadwal cluster, such as [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill Forster]] who are from Quadwal -3760.925 -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:17, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::We cover them if and when they feature in Transformers media!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:43, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Say, why don't we write up articles for every single Marvel Comics character ever-ever-ever too? I mean, the TFs fought Doctor Doom, and he fought or met or mentioned nearly all the rest. Right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:58, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
: So, just because it's mentioned doesn't mean we give them an page. Would we give "Ben 10" an page just because it was mentioned in Tara Strong's bio.

== Xobitor ==

Is this the first Robotix crossover, or was [[Hector Ramirez (G1)|Hector Ramirez]] in the show or something? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:12, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Annotations ==

[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html WHA-DOOOOSH]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:03, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:I've only read a small fraction of this, but ''MY HEAD HAS EXPLODED'' is my initial reaction.
:Thank you for making my day and taking my mind off the stuff that took place over some edits to the TF3 page. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 18:15, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
::...Oh, man, this is awesome. I have to get this! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:22, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:::They referenced the STATLER BROTHERS!!!!!!!!!!! Oh my god! My hed asplode! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:10, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
Nice! Two minor reference corrections, though. "Bored now" was also said by "Dark Willow" and the company from ''Alien'' is spelled Weyland-Yutani. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:33, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:And I will be sticking my fingers in my ears when it comes to the "English names" of the BWN planets. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:35, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
::I think I'll join you in the "sticking my fingers in my ears", but not because of the BWN planets. No, I'm doing it because of the Cybertronian term for a rhino, which is "Nosoron", which is the Polish name for BW Rhinox. ARGH. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:56, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:"Gizmo" is the name of the robot from Superbook. "Robik" is the "this is totally not Gizmo!" name. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:36, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
Errors and notices in the annotations
* Pgs 80-81 - "The Gargent cluster was discovered by Advenas and Cheetor of the ''TransTech'' universe," - Adventus' name is misspelled and it should say Silverbolt instead of Cheetor.
* Page 81, the answer to 155 DOWN in the crossword is missing.
* Pgs 92-93 - "September 19, 19239" hasn't ''happened'' yet (in A.D./C.E.).
* Pgs 104-105 - "In the upper right are two “seals”" - upper ''left'', actually. Also, you've neglected to mention that the Autobot Security Services symbol is set inside a Powerlinx symbol from the ''Energon'' series, and that the Ancient Autobot symbol in the lower-right corner is set inside an Energon symbol also from the ''Energon'' series.
* Pgs 114-115 - A bit minor , but New Kaon is not written in bold text.
* Pgs 114-115 - In the McColamo description, Epsilon Ariadne is misspelled as "Epsilon Airadne"
* Pgs 114-115 - Regarding Hive, technically the ''Headmasters'' version of this planet is called "[[Hachi no Susei]]" (or just "Susei" for short), it's only "hive" in the Omni dub.
* Pgs 114-115 - Again minor, but it isn't mentioned that the book spells Methuselah as "Methusula". Also, Protos is said to be Primacron's lab, not Methuselah (but then again, the way it's worded can make this debatable).
* Pgs 114-115 - In addition to Gaia's connection to Isaac Asimov's ''Foundation'' series, what about it also being the name of Earth in BWII and Neo (after all, Energoa got put in there too)?
* Pgs 114-115 - Telezart is missing from the list of neutral/unclaimed planets.
* Pg 125 - funny unmentioned tidbit, but "D2rz" kinda sounds like "detours"
* Pg 128 - the book misspells Xaaron as "Xarron"
That's all for now. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:14, 16 January 2011 (EST)

== Nintenduu LVIX ==

Don't have the Almanac myself, so is this the correct spelling? 64 should be LXIV, not LVIX. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:25, 1 August 2010 (EDT)
:It's LXIV in the book. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:50, 1 August 2010 (EDT)

== Title ==

This may be a stupid question, but why isn't the article at "Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II" like on the cover? (And as seen [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/06/allspark-almanac-ii-signing-in-burbank.html here].) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:10, 9 August 2010 (EDT)
:My vote is to change the page title to be consistent with the actual book title. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:48, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
::I agree. Let's be consistent. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:56, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

== Some more planet references ==

Cpt Rufus here when I should be going to bed. So I cannot go all cited references right now.

But here are more planets I spotted. Someone feel free to cut n past and cite if you want, or prove me wrong if I am mistaken. Its why I am posting it here instead of on the wiki proper.
There are a TON of nerd references on this map. I get the feeling almost every single one is even if its an actual astronomical location.

** The 8 planets in the Tiresia union are planets from the Robotech Sentinels series that were mostly only mentioned in the novels. The classifications are correct.
** Yautja is the novel name for the Predator species of fighting Arnold fame.
** Necronom IV is the name of the HR Geiger painting that became the basis for the Alien of fighting Ellen Ripley fame.
** Eberron is the name of a Dungeons & Dragons campaign world.
** Gor is the name of the planet from the misogynistic fetish novel series of the same name.
** Arus and Doom are the main planets in Lion Team Voltron.
** Stroggos is the alien world and race from Quake 2 and 4 as well.
** New Avalon is the capital planet of House Davion in the Battletech franchise.
** SR 388 is the Metroid homeworld from the Nintendo Metroid games.
** Kobol is the apparent birthplace of humanity (kinda) in Battlestar Galactica.
** Fleed is the home planet of Duke Fleed from Go Nagai's UFO Robot Grendizer.
** Mongo may be a reference to Flash Gordon, the home planet of his nemesis Ming the Merciless.
** Ork is either Mork from Ork, the early 80s sitcom starring Robin Williams, or the Orks from Warhammer 40,000 who seem to be the only Orcs who use a K instead.
** Airlandia may be a reference to Hasbro toy property "Air Raiders".
** Crystallium might refer to Remco's "Crystar" toys.
** Melmac is the home planet of the fuzzy cat eating race "Alf" belongs to.
** Jion is another spelling for Zeon, the kind of Nazi-ish antagonists in Mobile Suit Gundam.
** Macron may refer to Macron-1 a Saban import of 2 unrelated anime series that aired in the US alongside G1 Season 3.

Im sure I am right on most of the ones above, but a few are more or less unchecked guesses based on memories and speculation.

And is it wrong I want to run an RPG campaign using the Animated verse and this galaxy map?
:[http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/annotatedalmanac2.html We know.] And nobody cares about your RPG. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:12, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I was impressed anyway! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== The Transformers References section, red links, and consistency ==

Okay, this is bothering me. In the Transformers References section, are we linking to the things from previous Transformers incarnations that all these little shout-outs actually reference, or are we creating new "Whatever (Animated)" pages for all for all of them? Currently, we have a little of both, and the lack of consistency bothers me (as do all the red links for articles that haven't been created yet). Take Sari's Master Blades, for example. The name is obviously a reference to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade from Masterforce]]; do we send the link there, or do we send it to "Master Blades (Animated)"? I personally vote for the former method; this is the Transformers ''References'' section after all, so it makes sense to point to the thing that's being referenced. If we do actually make articles for all these places and things that get mentioned, we can link to them from the appropriate character/episode/whatever main article.

Detour, I'm especially interested in hearing your opinion on this, since I suspect you probably don't agree with me on this point. - [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 02:54, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
: Third option - "Sari's Master Blades are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:17, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::I nominate the third. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:39, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
:::If we'll never ever be able to populate a page with more info than what is already stated on the page that linked to it, I suggest not creating it in the first place--in this case, not creating a separate page for "Master Blades (Animated)" at all. We went through this with Almanac 1, deciding not to create "M'kraan Crystal (Animated)", and recently people have suggested the same thing for the moons of [[Thulsa Doom]]. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:16, 20 August 2010 (EDT)
::::Then it should be "Sari's Master Blades are named as an homage to [[Master Blade (Masterforce)|the Master Blade]] from the [[Masterforce (franchise)|Masterforce franchise]]." That way it is clear that what is in the Almanac is an homage to the original and not the same thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:16, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::Is that not made obvious enough by the fact that a) it's listed in the References section and b) ''Animated'' and ''Masterforce'' aren't even the same continuity ''family'', much less the same continuity? It seems that in the few cases where they ''are'' the same thing (IE the Vector Sigma bits and the various reports on things happening in different universal streams), we could draw attention to the fact, and that the default assumption would be that anything else familiar-looking is an homage. -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 12:16, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::No, I don't think you can assume that sort of thing with the Almanacs. Best to explicitly note it as a homage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:08, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

== Current text for Season 4 ==

Hi there, I'm sorry I didn't create an account here to write this comment but I shall be brief. Someone on another site e-mailed me asking me if I could provide them with information about what was going to happen in the cancelled Season 4 of TFA. I answered in full, using a combination of information from the AllSpark Almanac II, various interviews with Derrick Wyatt I had listened to, and also some 'filling in the gaps' logic. This person then, without my knowledge, copied and pasted my answer onto this page in the Season 4 section. However, as some of it doesn't come from the AAII, isn't it inappropriate for this page? I personally am not too comfortable with someone directly lifing a conversation I assumed was in confidence and puttig it on the wiki. Also, I'd hate to be responsible for any misinformation coming from my 'hunches' being on here. If anyone who uses this site agrees, would they be so kind as to delete it? Thank you.
- Ridikill
:Yes, it is inappropriate for this page if it contains information not from the book. Also it says underneath the edit box "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource." and emails are not public domain. Thanks for letting us know! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:12, 12 December 2010 (EST)

== Which character models should I scan? ==
[[Image:RaptureMarvel79.jpg|thumb]]

I'd really like to contribute to the wiki more than just the occasional link fixing, typo fix and vandalism reverts, so I thought why not take advantage of the fact that I got the Almanacs recently? If I am allowed to scan in character models from this (I'm a little fuzzy on this whole image uploading malarkey), which ones? Besides the obvious ones for characters that don't have pages yet (Chase, Mirage, Wheelie, Pipes and Ramhorn) and the ones who don't have images (Lightbright, Magnificus, Stretch and Volks to my memory), I think Furao, Sedan, Sky Garry, Dai Atlas, Yoketron, Alpha Trion, Red Alert, Brawn, Highbrow, Seaspray, Huffer (maybe), Cosmos and Cyclonus could benefit from this (some more than others). Maybe some headshots from the Cyber-Ninja Corps pages Any thoughts? Particularly on how to scan the ones closer to the middle (if you catch my drift)? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 17:33, 13 January 2011 (EST)
: If you do scan images, make sure to set your scanner to magazine color mode so the images are free of spot color artifacts. I do agree that there are quite a few characters that need images. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:52, 13 January 2011 (EST)
:: ...spot colour artifacts? What are those? [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 18:02, 13 January 2011 (EST)
::: See the pattern of tiny colored dots that make up Rapture's skin tone? If this image were scanned in "magazine mode," that would be a solid color. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:13, 13 January 2011 (EST)
:::: Ah...well, I'm in deep shit. My test scan of Dai Atlas not only has those tiny dots, but the outline is blurry and you can see the text from the previous page behind him. I don't think my scanner ''has'' a magazine colour mode, it just has Document, Photo, and two kinds of ADF things that I have no idea what they are. There goes my attempt at being useful. Although maybe I can create the pages that need to be created and then people with better scanners can do the pictures. Yeah, that's the ticket. [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 18:21, 13 January 2011 (EST)

== Tons more of characters to go! ==

And I mean a lot. Just sayin'. - [[User:CountFrankenBot|CFB]] 07:26, 11 February 2011 (EDT)

==Shorts==

Okay I've read over this part of the book a few times and seen the red links on other pages. What the hell is up with [[Starscream's Fantasy]] and [[Logo (Animated)|Logo]]? I've never seen them on youtube like all the others, they've had red links forever, and yet they still get mentioned in the almanac as if they're exactly the same as the others and nothing's wrong with them. Someone please explain. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 14:18, 3 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Sari Sumdac (Animated)

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==Meta-category==
'Tentative' meta-category? (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sandals and such==
I'm debating undoing the "not a Kiss Player" addition, but can't quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I'll leave it to someone else. I'm also tempted to change the picture caption, as I'm pretty sure those aren't sandals. (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.) However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow. If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==Adopted?==
I'm curious... what's the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari's bio stated that she's adopted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Well-liked character?==
I'd really like to debate that she's "well-liked" so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her. So unless we're of a gross minority, I think it's safe to say her appeal is not universal. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I don't hate her, therefore every fan doesn't hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her! I'm just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her. And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my "social circle" and so far it's been nothing but "she's annoying" and "neutral." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thus far, I kinda like her. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
: I personally like how she's the first girl in an American-made series to be '''the''' major human character, and she's a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn't annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn't make me automatically love all the characters she plays. The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari's character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no "omg sekrit POWARZ" to make him more "interesting." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Spike didn't have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there's the Headmaster thing. Also, calling ''Animated'''s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon ''way'' to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe. They were all "human" in the same way. But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime. And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans. In fact, that's WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1's lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art. Anyway, I'm running speedily away from my point. That is, I and every other TF fan I've talked to absolutely despise Sari. Calling her "well liked, more so than usual" on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me. It's fine to call her a "generally liked character" or even just "a popular human character," but using the turn of phrase that's there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.

::::::Hell, at this point I'd even take Kicker. At least his art style doesn't hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already! People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube. People dismissed the game as "kiddie" just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series. Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.

:::::::Just give it a chance. I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80's comic look of G1. Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]? Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat. At least in a cartoon that's somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I've been giving it as much of a chance as I can. And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like). TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it's laughable. I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do. And the "but the movie did it!" excuse doesn't quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay. Oh, and the movie didn't use it EVERY HALF HOUR. 'OHAI, it's a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.' ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don't like her! She is annoying. All others that I have spoken to share this opinion. It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as "well liked, more so than usual." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against. If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we'll most likely change the page. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, that's frustrating. The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki? Lamesauce. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, but we're confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren't cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them. The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.
:::::::::::I'm not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) ''exressing'' the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument. So we have to say "Gee, if ''everyone'' thinks this, do most of us think this?" And if the answer's no, we'll usually revert sweeping statements. It's possible that we might be ''wrong'' and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it's the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all? I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom. Please, feel free to re-read my comments. I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it's unjustifiably overblown in the article. Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views. I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the "Notes" section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That's Jazz. lulz.) I'm actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it's hard when I'm surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well we can't very well quantify "all others you have spoken to," no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the "reasonably well-liked" comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there's probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd quantify it as "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's my opinion of Sari- she's okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she's astonishingly ''non''-annoying. So 'reasonably well liked.'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as "TF:CHINS." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I'm automatically discounted? Wow. I guess I've been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far. It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I'm a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible. I'm not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I'm just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her. Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she's a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT? I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me. And I really don't consider TF:CHINS to be a 'derisive' nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated's art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual" conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The "arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron" folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was ''physically abusive toward the Autobots''. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget Fred's inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼" floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level. Personally, I love Sari. Best human character in a TF series, as far as I'm concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual."

Now from what I've seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I've observed doesn't seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Has ''anyone'' here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts "reasonably well liked, more so than usual"? If people don't like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that's separate from liking her herself. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement. He doesn't like her, and the people he's talked to (before coming here) don't like her. That doesn't make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans. Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in ''their'' observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans. The phrasing "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" doesn't even remotely mean "all the fans think she's great". It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her. As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks. There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari. But she is, on average, *not* hated. That is definitely worthy of note. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this "on average?" It can't be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans. That is all I have been trying to get across here. There's no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans. I find the "well liked, more so than usual" statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes. How about we just say she's "generally popular" or "mostly liked" instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I'd call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki's talk page to justify what's on the wiki! Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me. Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references. Just because the people that hang out on a character's talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion. I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being "generally popular" or "mostly liked!" How horrible of me! I'm corrupting the TF fandom! Jeez. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Dude, you're not kidding when you say you're skilled at stirring up drama! As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you've made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion. Maybe something along the lines of "mostly well-liked" would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, what's really crazy is I'm not even TRYING to stir up drama. At this point I'm convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character. (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I'm new and have a different opinion. I'm getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I say leave it the way it is. We shouldn't change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should. Combobreaker, you say we aren't showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked. Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN'T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, point missed. The way she's referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her. They don't, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're also supposed to find consensus. We think we ''have''. If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe ''you'' should be citing references to support ''your'' point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki. Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else. I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid. Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular. Fine, that's awesome. My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she's despised. In this situation I think it's perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it's going to 11. I'd like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands. Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you really think that "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" is an 11?
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]? I'm sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn't let this one trivia point occupy all your time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said "it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character" and Derik says she is "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's less general than what is there now.
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google "Sari Sumdac" and tell me what the first result says about her. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I'd start with something small. I had no idea I'd start such a mess just by wanting a character's unquantified popularity slightly edited. That's why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn't want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off. Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Don't worry too much about it, dude. Contributions will be judged on their own merits. This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers'a edit; I don't think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute. If they do, they'll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here. I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I'm a little sketchy on the human characters. Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination! It says she is "reasonably well-liked, more so than usual," basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she's the mesiah or something. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Repowers's edit==
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, that's all I wanted. I'm happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not human?==
That's a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think ''something'' from it needs noting, because Tara Strong's interview and the events of "Megatron Rising" make it clear that there's ''SOMETHING'' unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's a reason I put in the whole "counterpoints" thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Things that don't exist==
Seeing how she, legally, doesn't exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don't exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We should blank this whole article. There is no information on a 'Sari Sumdac'. (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works. I imagine we'll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now? I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Work of genius" or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think it's best to leave the joke at including her in the category, it's a funny way to end the article without confusing people who haven't been watching Animated. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 04:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==

:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].''

But is she Really?
I know we don't want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I've often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.
:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a Squid-Creature. We're not all that sure right now to be honest....''
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 18:10, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sounds pretty good to me. Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the "debate" here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I've done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Personaly, I think the little 'squid creature' thing is kinda funny, and I vote for temproarily adding it to the article. At least until we learn she's really a human/[[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cyborg]] / robotic android/ squid thing/ *master/ gobot-in-disquise/ whatever she ends up being (my vote's for geneticly altered clone). [[User:AutobotFreak643|AutobotFreak643]] 02:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==Incoming spoiler alert==
No, this isn't revealing what Sari actually is. It is a warning about how [[A Bridge Too Close, Part II]] is going to air in Dubai tomorrow, and that it is very likely that the truth about Sari will be revealed then. I strongly suggest that we semi-protect this article to prevent it from becoming too spoilerific (word?) and preserve the dignity of this Wiki. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Too bloody right! I've been away for a couple of days and appear to have missed the big furor over the Animated spoilers (which were annoying the chocolate-coated fudge out of me), but I seem to have been lucky enough to avoid anything major thus far, and want to keep it that way! = [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::And though semi-protect would allow others to still edit it, it would stop new and unregistered users, the most likely culprits, from adding things. Theoretically, we might have to keep it semi-protected until A Bridge Too Close actually airs. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:We're starting to get spoilers for other stuff already, and they're big ones. Someone needs to lock this page now, or we are in for a world of reverts. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:23, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==
I think we should replace the toppic since A, it isn't the model used in the cartoon, and B, we now have it at the bottom. {{unsigned|96.227.184.235}}
:Please sign your posts. Take a better look; the two pics are different. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:19, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry. -Anonymous

== "Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?" ==
From the new piece of Trivia, "In the first part of "Transform And Roll Out!", Sari's father is seen constructing what appears to be a mechanical arm, before noticing Megatron falling from the sky. Perhaps the arm could be Sari's?", I've watched the clip and don't find it very likely. It looks more like an average robotic arm (one that looks similar to another hanging from Isaac's ceiling).

Opinions? ([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 06:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC))

:Yeah, even aside from the unlikelihood that Isaac was working on Sari at that point in time, that arm is much too big to be Sari's. -- [[User:Greenygal|Greenygal]] 10:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

: I'm not sure about the arm, but in the intro special, they also happened to be working on nanobots. Even going through the whole spiel on fusing human and machine. Guess what Sari appears to be. [[User:Xevon|Xevon]] 06:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
::And we saw how well THAT experiment worked. If he couldn't get down that process after Sari already existed, how could he have managed it to create her?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

:*There might have been a big difference between the technology and resources used to create Sari and the technology and resources that they were planning to use in mass production or for public use. Furthermore, if a lot of alien technology(such as technology that is far more advanced than their current technology) was used to make Sari, it could have become too conspicuous, especially if there was no proper introduction for the technology. This would mean that people such as the military or other corporations might start poking their fingers into Sumdac's source of inspiration. There is also the possibility that Sumdac had plucked spare parts right off Megatron, such as rare metals(especially those not readily found on earth) to make Sari, hence he couldn't make another attempt. Another possibility is that Sari is Sumdac's greatest life work, in whom he was pouring all his resources, skills and time and all his other creations are just scraps, spares and extras that he made so that he could support Sari in both her construction and her development. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:*None of that really touches on whether the arm in TaRO Pt. 1 was Sari's or not, which was the original question here. *While that's some nice mental exercise, it's a lot of far-reaching speculation without much to back it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:22, 15 August 2008 (UTC) </ol> It will all be speculation until the series itself provides more information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:124.106.181.0|124.106.181.0]] ([[User talk:124.106.181.0|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/124.106.181.0|contribs]]).

:And specualtion is for messageboards, not this wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== quote ==
Personally I think the "If you think I'm gonna let you geaeheads out of my sight, you're nuts, and I don't mean the kind that come with bolts" quote better than the current one because she said it, and it just suits her personality more, but then that's just my opinion [[User:Chromia|Chromia]] 16:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

== Transformersanimated.com is not affiliated with Hasbro, Cartoon network, or ''anyone'' official. ==
It is a ''fansite''. It states so directly on the site's footer. What's more, they are a fansite that, like many of them, has far less stringent requirements for inclusion than this wiki. Just as you would not put something from TFW2005, The Allspark, or TFormers.com up here without first checking if they got it from an official source rather than a leak, apply that reasoning to Transformersanimated.com's news. Don't let the domain name fool you.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:59, 4 January 2009 (EST)

:Given Hasbro went after domain names based upon their trademarks i the late 90s and early 2000s, I'm surprised they didn't go after this site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

== New Caption Suggestion for Super-Sari ==
I humbly suggest, for the judgment of the council, that the caption of the picture of "Super-" or "Robo-" Sari be changed from it's current state, "Masterforce!" to the much awesomer (you read that right) "It's Morphin' Time!" After careful study and extensive meditation, I have reached the conclusion that this would be met with more sniggers from any readers. What say you?
--[[User:Keegman|Keegman]] 07:02, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

As the Joker would say, "If you have to explain the joke, THEN THERE IS NO JOKE!"
[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:30, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

== Sari and fans ==
We're into the third season, and this is just kind of hanging here like a vestigial organ. It's not trivia, it's very speculatey, and now that more of her origin has been revealed it's quite a bit redundant.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:17, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:Now that her origin is (mostly) revealed, the "Things that don't exist" category isn't really funny anymore. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:21, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== Age? ==

Has it been confirmed yet what teenage robo-Sari's age is? I know in Human error pt 1, when Sumdac gave her the scooter, she said, "Thanks dad, but I was hoping for something with four wheels," implying that she is sixteen-ish, but she came across more as a 13-ish year old to me. Anyone have an answer? -[[User:JesWalHok|JesWalHok]] 17:35, 18 April 2009 (EDT)JesWalHok
:Seems fairly unlikely to be confirmed, as there's no real way to figure out how "old" someone who just spontaneously grew up is with any precision.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Well its apperent that she believes in Santa Clause something a normal 8-year-old would beleive in. So technicaly she is mentaly at age 8. D.J.Sky 4-21-09 6:38

I agree with ... D.J.Sky Is It? I think she is taking advantage of her age just to get a car.--E-Bot April 21 2009.
:I take offense to that...besides, doesn't Prowl prove that Santa was a Transformer, anyway?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 11:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I think that was just a gag the writers came up with. And by the way, he was implying that Santa has clones.--E-Bot April 22 2009

::I hope no-one objects, but I've taken the liberty of removing the "Thirteen-year-old" part of the phrase "''Her body was "aged" so that she appeared to be a '''thirteen-year-old''' teenager''", since her apparent physical age if frankly pretty speculative, both from a logical standpoint regarding her intrinsic literal and mental age (discussed above) and also just because of the stylised character models. To some people she apparently looks 13, to others, she looks 16, etc...
::Since the only canonical statement that I'm aware of is that her dad says "she looks like a teenager now", it seems to me that we probably shouldn't be making any interpretive statement about how old she looks specifically, just that she looks like "a teenager".[[User:AlertSpoiler|AlertSpoiler]] 02:18, 28 November 2010 (EST)

== Female Transformer? ==

Since Sari is a Cybertronian lifeform with (presumably) a spark and circuits, couldn't she be considered a female Transformer now? It could be that her human form is her alt mode, kind of like Blackarachnia and Waspinator's bug modes. Should we add her to the ranks?--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 14:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Yes! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:33, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
*I agree. Sari's basically an Autobot with an organic mode. You can not dispute that, no matter how hard you try.[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 13:01, 17 May 2009 (EDT)

**So...what's the verdict? Do we slap an Autobrand on her article or what?[[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 19:33, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::No, she isn't an Autobot. She grew up human and never officially joined the Autobots. She was a [[substitute Autobot]] once though. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:28, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Isn't that why you guys put an Autobrand on [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper's]] article to begin with? By that logic, Sari should be considered as an Autobot, if going by that reason alone.[[Special:Contributions/200.3.177.134|200.3.177.134]] 11:32, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't she call herself an Autobot in Endgame II? Either way, we call Snarl an Autobot, even though he was only ever in the substitutes, so why can't we call her one as well? Even though she was never given the actual brand, she called herself an Autobot pretty much the entire third season.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::I don't recall her calling herself an Autobot, but I could be wrong. Snarl's toy is an Autobot ''and'' he has an Autobrand on the show, so he is an Autobot. - Starfield (logged off) [[Special:Contributions/69.14.126.15|69.14.126.15]] 18:54, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::The line was "All Autobots, half-bots and almost-bots present and accounted for." She seems to have double-counted herself there (unless you think she was being very rude to at least one from Bumblebee, Bulkhead, Ratchet or Arcee), but that's no reason to think she was calling herself an "Autobot" :) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:17, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::I thought "almost-bots" was referring to the protoforms. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Didn't they go back for them? [At the very least, they must have gone back for Lugnut, who we ''see'' get left behind, and possibly Shockwave]. One possible explanation, I suppose, but they certainly weren't visible on the bridge for her to "account" for. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::This is ridiculous. She is absolutely an Autobot. If the Dinobots count as autobots then sari definitely is one!--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 20:59, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::::::The Dinobots have big Autobot sigils on their bodies. Sari does not. She also never refers to herself as an Autobot, nor does anyone else. The closest she's been is a "Replacement Autobot", but that's not a full-fledged Autobot. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:20, 8 April 2010 (EDT)

==Sari's Transformation Noise==

Isn't it ALSO shared with the Headmaster Unit, which was the first human-built transforma-majig I think we saw in Animated continuity? --[[Special:Contributions/82.41.82.198|82.41.82.198]] 05:30, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

:Sari's body is a hybrid, but it's established in Transwarped that she is basically organic. The protoform seems to have adjusted beyond a half and half split [[User:Eire]] 26 May 23.57 (UTC)

::The impression I got was that her body is 100% carbon-based (i.e., organic) - ''but that'' that organic material was mostly arranged as technology to a nominally Cybertronian design, just carbon-based rather than (e.g.) silicon-based. A Beast Machine, basically. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

== Sari's Jetpack ==

Is it just me, or is there a goodly amount of similarity between her scooter/jetpack and the technobot Afterburner? Peach/Cream colorscheme, wheels set out from the body, designed by a supergenius.. (Okay, stretching on that last one) but similarity is there. Not a LOT, but there.

== KP captions ==

Do we really need the KP captions? Is the goal to increase the creepiness factor of ''Animated''? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 07:25, 20 December 2009 (EST)
:Honestly, the whole KP joke is more than played out. I'm about ready to lump it in with "Bonecrusher hates _____" and "____ superior, _____ inferior" in the "never make these fucking 'jokes' again" category. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:50, 20 December 2009 (EST)
::Agreed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:26, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== '''TF Animated Human Figures''' ==

So I was perusing the web for info on figures and I came to this website: http://www.tfsource.com/products/view/product_id/692/. Apparently Sari, Fanzone, and Isaac are available in Japan but so far not here. I think for collecting's sake they would be cool to have but what I'd really like to see is Omega Supreme. {{unsigned|24.21.50.161|07:35, 22 July 2010 (EDT)}}
:I don't think those are official. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:39, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They definitely aren't — they're made by Impossible Toys. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sari's Weaponry ==

NONE of her regular upgrades (jump boosters, blades, shield, hammer) are sealed away. [http://www.formspring.me/DerrickJWyatt/q/1050691993 Source] This needs to be clarified. -- [[User:Devastator|Devastator]] 09:57, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== SG Sari ==
So, uh, I guess Shattered Glass Sari, after a fashion, is canon now: [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/397543-transformers-generations-2011-vol-1-a.html] What do we do with her? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:52, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
: *scratches head* Note on Sari's page? We don't normally give much credit to out-of-fiction pin-ups/art books, really, do we? Witness something like ''[[Genesis]]'' and the many potential little events or "continuities" within its artwork. Of course, they didn't create new characaters, but... hrmn. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:00, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Some of the images in ''Genesis'' are treated as micro-continuities. I think SG Sari could get her own page. It won't be a big page, but it makes more sense than having her as a big note in a different character's article. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:11, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Do we KNOW that's SG Sari? I mean, the guy says it is, but maybe he just means Evil Sari. What I'm saying is Motormaster isn't from Shattered Glass, so why would he be holding someone who was? -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:20, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Well, Wyatt has drawn an image of that character and posted it on his blog as "Shattered Glass Sari", so we "know" its her because of that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:23, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, those posted Derrick arts are how the dude recognized SG Sari as SG Sari. [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2010/10/many-moods-of-sari-sumdac.html] (Though the reason I said "after a fashion" is because we don't know her "real" name.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:44, 27 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::Oh. Well, then. There are certainly characters with pages who have less of an appearance than that. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:41, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Sari's origions ==

On the "Continuity Errors" section these can be somewhat explained. First, Issac could of, like you guys said, picked his nose. Or ear. Second, think back to Beast Wars. Did Tigatron become female just because he scanned a female tiger? No. So, perhaps, in both Primax 984.17 Alpha and Malgus 1205.26 Alpha the protoforms must have preprogramed genders.

Freeway (G1)

2011-05-28T00:27:39Z

184.56.27.61: /* Marvel Comics continuity */

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Autobot|the Transformers Animated Autobot|Freeway (Animated)}}

:''Freeway is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1Freeway cardart.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Yo momma is so fat, even Unicron would go oh!]]
A cruel and foulmouthed [[Throttlebot]], '''Freeway''' is the Autobots' self-appointed "King of Comedy" and possibly makes himself quite unpopular as a result. No one is immune from his special brand of humor, not even high-ranking officers. He's always on the lookout for even the smallest and most trivial of mistakes; these can be an opening for him to unleash a torrent of pointed, mocking abuse. Freeway is convinced that he's absolutely hilarious. Point out that he's not really all that funny, and he'll do you even worse, insult your heritage, make scandalous suggestions about your progenitor, and claim you have no sense of humor and are, in fact, a wuss. Freeway will make himself laugh so hard that he blows a circuit and shorts himself out.

Freeway can dish it out, but he sure can't take it. Treat him the way he treats others, and Freeway will very quickly become angry, twisted and resentful. Very much a fuming ball of wires.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:Throttlebots-marvel32.jpg|left|200px|thumb|In a rare case of correct coloring, Freeway actually is the blue one.]]
Thanks to a Decepticon [[Titanium-class Destruction Drone]], Freeway and his fellow Throttlebots were captured and brought to the Chief Decepticon Fuel Auditor [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]. An outbreak of [[Scraplet]]s had begun on [[Earth]], and Ratbat ordered them to travel there and destroy all of the infected—or he would destroy the planet itself to prevent the spread of the deadly disease. Given new Earth-style vehicle forms and canisters of corrosive acid, Freeway and the others arrived on Earth and soon found [[Goldbug (G1)|Goldbug]] in the death throes of a Scraplets infection. They attempted to destroy him, but during the skirmish, Goldbug's human friend [[Charley Fong]] discovered a cure for Scraplets, the "rare chemical" [[water]]. With this knowledge, they managed to destroy all the Scraplets with help from [[G.B. Blackrock]]. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Freeway and the Throttlebots continued to travel on Earth with Goldbug and Blaster, but that only made them targets for virtually everyone—the Decepticons, the Autobot faction Goldbug had gone AWOL from, and the humans who hated and feared all Cybertronians. After escaping one of the Combaticons, Goldbug suggested they hide in a used car lot (because that [[Plight of the Bumblebee!|worked so well for him before]]). Astonishingly the owner, [[Big Steve Ludwig (G1)|Big Steve Ludwig]], noticed a giant earthmover dump truck magically appearing on his lot, and soon put two-and-two together after receiving a notice from the local [[Rapid Anti-robot Assault Team|RAAT]] boys. After pouring sugar into the Autobots' gas tanks, he summoned the proper authorities. Freeway and the Throttlebots were carted off and taken prisoner by RAAT's parent organization, [[Intelligence and Information Institute|Triple-I]]. {{storylink|Used Autobots}}

[[Image:Freeway-crushed.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Yo Batch Proto-Intiator so stupid, that when she went on Jepordy with Gnaw, she got -Infinty and Gnaw got 1!]]
Still not recognizing the difference between Autobots and Decepticons, III's bigwigs publicly threatened to execute their prisoners if any more robot attacks took place. Guess what—the Decepticons were willing to call their bluff. After the inevitable raid, [[Forrest Forsythe]] ordered the Autobots crushed into cubes. However, a sympathetic (and borderline competent) agent named [[Walter Barnett]] realized Freeway and his friends were telling the truth about there being two factions of robots, and salvaged their cerebro-circuits before the execution, transferring their brain chips into electronic toy cars. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!}}

Freeway and the Throttlebots remained in Barnett's possession for some time, but were apparently returned to the Autobots at some point behind the scenes. The Throttlebots were reconstructed into new bodies replicating their old ones... only to be destroyed by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Dark Star (issue)|Dark Star}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Danny Mann]] (English), [[Akimitsu Takase]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Freeway seated.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Seriously, guys! That's NOT funny!]]
Freeway and three of the other Throttlebots were part of the force sent by [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] to recover the body of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Freeway was amongst the very first to be infected by the [[Hate Plague]]. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} He was cured when Optimus Prime was resurrected and used the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] to eradicate the Hate Plague. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

While defending [[Autobot City]] on Earth from the Decepticons, Freeway demanded that [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] back off. With a loud cry of "NO!", the [[Horrorcon]] kicked Freeway back into a wall, causing him to lose a rear wheel in the process. Evidently this was not a serious injury, as he was found fighting alongside his fellow Autobots a while later. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

{{-}}
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Hōchū Ōtsuka]] (Japanese)

[[Image:CassetteOperation Skullcruncher Freeway.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Heh heh. Just pullin' your leg, there.]]
When the Decepticons attacked [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in order to take control of [[Vector Sigma]], Freeway and the Throttlebots were among the lines of defense. They fought bravely against the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], but were swiftly defeated. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} They got a chance for a rematch when the Headmasters attacked Cybertron with their [[Madmachine]], and Freeway and his comrades managed to hold the Decepticons at bay until the Madmachine was destroyed. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

The Throttlebots were later called to Earth to scuffle with the Headmasters yet again, but snuck away from battle to destroy [[Metamorpho]], a Decepticon meteorite, hoping to earn some glory in the process. This did not end well, as Metamorpho's metal-warping gravity fields immediately twisted their [[Autobot frigate|ship]] and its crew out of shape and sent them screaming through space. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}} Freeway and the others returned much later to destroy a Decepticon [[death tower]] on Earth, but didn't stand a chance against its guardian, [[Predaking]]. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
{{-}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:SixshotTank SpotlightMetroplex.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Last comic standing.]]
The [[Throttlebot]]s were stationed on the [[Orvus Base]] laboratory orbiting [[Salvvatan VI]], serving as couriers for a top-secret research project. The base was attacked and destroyed by [[Sixshot]]. They escaped in a ship as the only survivors of the attack—with Sixshot in hot pursuit—eventually making their way to [[Salvvatan VIII]].

Freeway and the others discovered supplies and Energon on the planet's surface within a mysterious city complex. Sixshot caught up with them and demanded the information the Throttlebots had taken from Orvus. They scattered, with Sixshot ready and eager to hunt them down. After being flung into the air in vehicle mode, Freeway righted himself, landed and tried to make a stand again Sixshot. The Decepticon simply leaped above Freeway, transformed to tank mode and fell directly on him. Sixshot tortured the pinned Freeway a bit by grinding him with his tank treads before turning his attention to the remaining Throttlebots. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Freeway toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Nice legs]]
*'''Freeway''' (Throttlebot, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-96'''

: Freeway transforms into a Chevrolet Corvette. Like all [[Throttlebot|Throttlebots]], Freeway's primary gimmick is a pull-back motor that sends him zipping forward in either car or robot modes.

: In 1991, Freeway and the other Throttlebots were re-released in the European market as part of the "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" line. For this release, all of the Throttlebots but [[Wide Load]] were [[retool]]ed to have their [[rubsign]] indents removed, the decals replaced with normal factory-applied paper faction sigil decals.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Freeway/freeway.htm More information on Freeway at TFU.info]''
{{--}}
==Notes==
* A working name for the original ''[[Alternators]]'' Ford Mustang toy (which ultimately ended up as [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]]) was "Freeway," according to various early store listings.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Runway''' (ランウェイ ''Ranwei'')
*''French:'' '''Autoroute''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Saterbot'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Freeway Freeway's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

[[Category:Saboteurs]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:Throttlebots]]

Freeway (G1)

2011-05-28T00:27:09Z

184.56.27.61: /* Marvel Comics continuity */

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Autobot|the Transformers Animated Autobot|Freeway (Animated)}}

:''Freeway is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1Freeway cardart.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Yo momma is so fat, even Unicron would go oh!]]
A cruel and foulmouthed [[Throttlebot]], '''Freeway''' is the Autobots' self-appointed "King of Comedy" and possibly makes himself quite unpopular as a result. No one is immune from his special brand of humor, not even high-ranking officers. He's always on the lookout for even the smallest and most trivial of mistakes; these can be an opening for him to unleash a torrent of pointed, mocking abuse. Freeway is convinced that he's absolutely hilarious. Point out that he's not really all that funny, and he'll do you even worse, insult your heritage, make scandalous suggestions about your progenitor, and claim you have no sense of humor and are, in fact, a wuss. Freeway will make himself laugh so hard that he blows a circuit and shorts himself out.

Freeway can dish it out, but he sure can't take it. Treat him the way he treats others, and Freeway will very quickly become angry, twisted and resentful. Very much a fuming ball of wires.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:Throttlebots-marvel32.jpg|left|200px|thumb|In a rare case of correct coloring, Freeway actually is the blue one.]]
Thanks to a Decepticon [[Titanium-class Destruction Drone]], Freeway and his fellow Throttlebots were captured and brought to the Chief Decepticon Fuel Auditor [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]. An outbreak of [[Scraplet]]s had begun on [[Earth]], and Ratbat ordered them to travel there and destroy all of the infected—or he would destroy the planet itself to prevent the spread of the deadly disease. Given new Earth-style vehicle forms and canisters of corrosive acid, Freeway and the others arrived on Earth and soon found [[Goldbug (G1)|Goldbug]] in the death throes of a Scraplets infection. They attempted to destroy him, but during the skirmish, Goldbug's human friend [[Charley Fong]] discovered a cure for Scraplets, the "rare chemical" [[water]]. With this knowledge, they managed to destroy all the Scraplets with help from [[G.B. Blackrock]]. {{storylink|The Cure!}}

Freeway and the Throttlebots continued to travel on Earth with Goldbug and Blaster, but that only made them targets for virtually everyone—the Decepticons, the Autobot faction Goldbug had gone AWOL from, and the humans who hated and feared all Cybertronians. After escaping one of the Combaticons, Goldbug suggested they hide in a used car lot (because that [[Plight of the Bumblebee!|worked so well for him before]]). Astonishingly the owner, [[Big Steve Ludwig (G1)|Big Steve Ludwig]], noticed a giant earthmover dump truck magically appearing on his lot, and soon put two-and-two together after receiving a notice from the local [[Rapid Anti-robot Assault Team|RAAT]] boys. After pouring sugar into the Autobots' gas tanks, he summoned the proper authorities. Freeway and the Throttlebots were carted off and taken prisoner by RAAT's parent organization, [[Intelligence and Information Institute|Triple-I]]. {{storylink|Used Autobots}}

[[Image:Freeway-crushed.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Yo Batch Proto-Intiator so stupid, that when she went on Jepordy with Gnaw, she got -Infinty and gnaw got 1]]
Still not recognizing the difference between Autobots and Decepticons, III's bigwigs publicly threatened to execute their prisoners if any more robot attacks took place. Guess what—the Decepticons were willing to call their bluff. After the inevitable raid, [[Forrest Forsythe]] ordered the Autobots crushed into cubes. However, a sympathetic (and borderline competent) agent named [[Walter Barnett]] realized Freeway and his friends were telling the truth about there being two factions of robots, and salvaged their cerebro-circuits before the execution, transferring their brain chips into electronic toy cars. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!}}

Freeway and the Throttlebots remained in Barnett's possession for some time, but were apparently returned to the Autobots at some point behind the scenes. The Throttlebots were reconstructed into new bodies replicating their old ones... only to be destroyed by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Dark Star (issue)|Dark Star}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Danny Mann]] (English), [[Akimitsu Takase]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Freeway seated.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Seriously, guys! That's NOT funny!]]
Freeway and three of the other Throttlebots were part of the force sent by [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] to recover the body of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Freeway was amongst the very first to be infected by the [[Hate Plague]]. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} He was cured when Optimus Prime was resurrected and used the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] to eradicate the Hate Plague. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

While defending [[Autobot City]] on Earth from the Decepticons, Freeway demanded that [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] back off. With a loud cry of "NO!", the [[Horrorcon]] kicked Freeway back into a wall, causing him to lose a rear wheel in the process. Evidently this was not a serious injury, as he was found fighting alongside his fellow Autobots a while later. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

{{-}}
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Hōchū Ōtsuka]] (Japanese)

[[Image:CassetteOperation Skullcruncher Freeway.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Heh heh. Just pullin' your leg, there.]]
When the Decepticons attacked [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in order to take control of [[Vector Sigma]], Freeway and the Throttlebots were among the lines of defense. They fought bravely against the Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], but were swiftly defeated. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} They got a chance for a rematch when the Headmasters attacked Cybertron with their [[Madmachine]], and Freeway and his comrades managed to hold the Decepticons at bay until the Madmachine was destroyed. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

The Throttlebots were later called to Earth to scuffle with the Headmasters yet again, but snuck away from battle to destroy [[Metamorpho]], a Decepticon meteorite, hoping to earn some glory in the process. This did not end well, as Metamorpho's metal-warping gravity fields immediately twisted their [[Autobot frigate|ship]] and its crew out of shape and sent them screaming through space. {{storylink|Approach of the Demon Meteorite}} Freeway and the others returned much later to destroy a Decepticon [[death tower]] on Earth, but didn't stand a chance against its guardian, [[Predaking]]. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
{{-}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:SixshotTank SpotlightMetroplex.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Last comic standing.]]
The [[Throttlebot]]s were stationed on the [[Orvus Base]] laboratory orbiting [[Salvvatan VI]], serving as couriers for a top-secret research project. The base was attacked and destroyed by [[Sixshot]]. They escaped in a ship as the only survivors of the attack—with Sixshot in hot pursuit—eventually making their way to [[Salvvatan VIII]].

Freeway and the others discovered supplies and Energon on the planet's surface within a mysterious city complex. Sixshot caught up with them and demanded the information the Throttlebots had taken from Orvus. They scattered, with Sixshot ready and eager to hunt them down. After being flung into the air in vehicle mode, Freeway righted himself, landed and tried to make a stand again Sixshot. The Decepticon simply leaped above Freeway, transformed to tank mode and fell directly on him. Sixshot tortured the pinned Freeway a bit by grinding him with his tank treads before turning his attention to the remaining Throttlebots. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Freeway toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Nice legs]]
*'''Freeway''' (Throttlebot, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-96'''

: Freeway transforms into a Chevrolet Corvette. Like all [[Throttlebot|Throttlebots]], Freeway's primary gimmick is a pull-back motor that sends him zipping forward in either car or robot modes.

: In 1991, Freeway and the other Throttlebots were re-released in the European market as part of the "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" line. For this release, all of the Throttlebots but [[Wide Load]] were [[retool]]ed to have their [[rubsign]] indents removed, the decals replaced with normal factory-applied paper faction sigil decals.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Freeway/freeway.htm More information on Freeway at TFU.info]''
{{--}}
==Notes==
* A working name for the original ''[[Alternators]]'' Ford Mustang toy (which ultimately ended up as [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]]) was "Freeway," according to various early store listings.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Runway''' (ランウェイ ''Ranwei'')
*''French:'' '''Autoroute''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Saterbot'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Freeway Freeway's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

[[Category:Saboteurs]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:Throttlebots]]

Talk:Antarctica

2011-05-28T00:22:53Z

184.56.27.61: Penguins

== Penguins ==

Why don't we have a penguin page? We got a Bunny Rabbit page, but those Break get any love for his alternate mode? No, only stampy does. (I like both of them, I'm just annoyed that Stampy is more recognizeable than Break. Corse, Break is a Shellformer and.... nevermind).

Talk:Shadowzone (episode)

2011-05-28T00:16:08Z

184.56.27.61: /* Universal Stream Factor */

Talk:Shadowzone (episode)

2011-05-28T00:15:45Z

184.56.27.61: /* Universal Stream Factor */ new section

Talk:Flames of Yesterday

2011-05-28T00:09:05Z

184.56.27.61:

Trypticon (G1)

2011-05-27T20:35:19Z

184.56.27.61: /* Transformers Caramel */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Trypticon}}
:''Trypticon is a [[Decepticon]] [[City-bot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:TrypticonGenerations1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"After G1, he was cast as the Red Ranger's T-Rex on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers."]]
Enormous in both size and power, '''Trypticon''' is an unstoppable engine of destruction. This might please him greatly... were he not bored by the entire prospect. He cares little for his role as the ultimate Decepticon weapon and finds war to be a waste of effort. He doesn't like his comrades, he absolutely ''hates'' the Autobots, and—though he hides it well—he loathes himself most of all.

Trypticon transforms to a massive artillery platform that can devastate Autobot forces, who often must resort to trickery to defeat him. The only Autobot who can go toe-to-toe with him is [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], and there is a great rivalry between the two cities.

Trypticon is sometimes accompanied by one or more smaller robots, such as the autonomous [[Wipe-Out]] and the drones [[Full-Tilt]] and [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt]].

He hates [[water]] more than any other substance in the universe, mostly because he gets thrown into it a lot.

{{quote|Trypticon cannot be stopped! Nothing can stand in my way!|Trypticon|"[[The Ultimate Weapon]]"}}

{{note|Trypticon's size and personality vary greatly between continuities, though most agree with—or at least do not contradict—the profile-based outline given here. The most notable exceptions are the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], where his size is only 2 to 3 times that of a typical Transformer, and the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Sunbow cartoon]], where his personality is that of a dimwitted, destructive animal.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Garrett]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese), [[Héctor Vieyra]] (Latin American)
[[Image:Ff0d5 trypticon destroys ark.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Brokeback Mountain.]]
In the year 2005, the allied forces of the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]] sought to attack the Autobots on two fronts, besieging them on both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and [[Earth]]. To counter the power of the Autobots' transforming Earth city, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the Decepticons arranged for the construction of a transforming city-robot of their own: Trypticon. Surreptitiously created out of a human city by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], Trypticon sent his former human occupants running for their lives as their city shifted and changed into the giant saurian robot. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:FFOD5 Metroplex Trypticon.JPG|right|225px|thumb|Clash of the Badly-Animated Titans.]]
Trypticon's first mission was to attack [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], but he met resistance in the form of a team of [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]]. Trypticon knocked [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] out of the sky and shrugged off the other Autobots' attacks from below (stepping on [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] in the process) before battling his way through a barrage of cannon fire and leveling Autobot Headquarters. With this task complete, Trypticon turned his attention to [[Autobot City]] and Metroplex, and the giant Autobot could not have been at a worse disadvantage, being as he was without his [[Transformation cog|transforming cog]] and thus unable to transform to robot mode. Thankfully, the timely arrival of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] with the cog allowed Metroplex to transform and gain the upper hand in the battle. Trypticon was seized by the Autobot giant and hurled over the horizon, crashing into the Pacific Ocean. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

While the Autobots believed that Trypticon had been destroyed, the dinosaur Decepticon had, in fact, retreated to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] to recuperate. In 2006, in the midst of his recovery, Trypticon was approached by Decepticon wheeler-dealer [[Octane]], who talked him into relocating with him to the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. There, Octane made a deal with ruler [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]]: In exchange for the Carbombya's high-grade oil, he and Trypticon would guard the country's coasts.

[[Image:Thiefinthenight trypticon steals kremlin.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Tom Clancy's latest novel: "Red Rex Rising."]] The deal soured when Fakkadi discovered how ridiculously energy-consumptive Trypticon was, and things came to a head when the dull-witted dino mistook a passing cruise ship for an invader and fired on it. Octane turned things around by arranging to have Trypticon use his prodigious size and strength to steal famous monuments for Fakkadi from around the world. Initially, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] were suspected of the thefts, but [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] linked the crime back to Trypticon, and the Decepticon was caught in the act stealing the Eiffel Tower. Trypticon was able to beat the Autobots back, and he then attempted to steal the Kremlin, but was ambushed by the waiting Autobot forces and stopped from doing so. With help from Fakkadi, the Autobots tracked the Decepticons back to Carbombya, where Metroplex engaged Trypticon in battle once more and hurled him into the ocean again. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

Trypticon survived his dunking and was relocated to [[Chaar]], where he was the victim of the ghost of deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] when the spirit made a pact with [[Unicron]] to restore his body. In exchange for this boon, the dark god charged Starscream with fulfilling three tasks, beginning with the theft of Metroplex's eyes to replace Unicron's own. One of Metroplex's eyes was destroyed in the attempted theft, necessitating that Starscream and his pawn, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], steal one of Trypticon's instead. Next, Starscream possessed Trypticon's body itself and brought the giant Decepticon to Unicron so that his transforming cog could be transplanted into Unicron's head. The final task was to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron itself, so the planet could become his new body, but as Starscream used Trypticon's possessed body to complete the connections, [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and the [[Battlecharger]]s disabled the city-bot from within, rendering him unable to complete the task. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Ultimateweapon metroplex hefts trypticon.jpg|right|215px|thumb|Shows that you can have sexy mudwrestling ''or'' giant robots, but not sexy, mudwrestling giant robots.]]
Later, after [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stole Metroplex's transforming cog, Galvatron dispatched Trypticon to destroy the defenseless city. Confident of victory, Trypticon decided to have some fun, eating a naval destroyer and menacing the passengers of a train. However, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] flew into Trypticon through his mouth, firing all the while, giving the giant dinosaur [[Furmanism|the worst case of indigestion he'd ever had]]. Trypticon was forced to retreat, and he transformed back into city mode so that human repairmen recruited by the Decepticons(?!) could fix his damaged innards. As it turned out, the "repairmen" were Autobot allies [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and his son [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], who stole Trypticon's own transforming cog, intending to use it on Metroplex. This forced the Decepticons to use Metroplex's transforming cog on Trypticon, but neither cog worked particularly well in either of the two robots, and as they battled, they wound up partially transforming, shifting and stalling at various stages between their modes. At first, Trypticon had the advantage in the battle and threw Metroplex into a lake, but eventually, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] arrived to align the Decepticon cog properly within Metroplex, allowing the Autobot to transform fully. Metroplex regained the initiative, and yet again treated Trypticon to another dunking, hurling him even deeper into the lake, where he sank. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[Image:Calloftheprimitives trypticon vs tornedron.jpg|left|210px|thumb|"Father... pleeease! Heelp meeee!"]]
Trypticon later participated in a battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, during which he and all the other "[[Primitive]]" animal-based Transformers present were telepathically contacted by the being known as the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]]. Trypticon served as a transport that carried the Primitives to the dead world at the center of the universe from which the summons came, but was too large to enter the cavern in which the Oracle resided, and so he stood sentinel outside while the others ventured in. As the Oracle explained that he had summoned them to battle the energy-draining creature known as [[Tornedron]], Trypticon was the first to face off with the parasite, which took the form of a dragon and sucked his energy dry. Trypticon's lifeless husk toppled over on top of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], leading all the other Primitives to believe him destroyed, but the Dinobot leader had, in fact, survived, and was finally the one to defeat Tornedron and restore Trypticon and all the others drained by him. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}
{{--}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the American animated series covered above occur in Japanese continuity, with the primary difference between the two being that the events of season three (set in 2006 in America) are pushed back to 2010 in the Japanese dub. As far as Trypticon is concerned, however, there is one much larger, contradictory fact established by the additional stories told in various Japanese media: In this continuity, Trypticon was actually built in the 1980s, and then ''re''built during the events of "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".}}

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[Image:Trypticon metroplex hologram.jpg|right|180px|thumb|This week on ''Robote''—oh, sorry, wrong anime.]]
In the late 1980s, while the [[Autobot]]s were in the process of constructing Metroplex, the Decepticons were just as busy creating a counter in the form of Trypticon. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] were able to sneak past the Autobots' security and spy on the construction on Metroplex, acquiring the information that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] needed to discover whether or not Metroplex was strong enough to stand up to Trypticon. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Trypticon was completed soon after and was unleashed by the Decepticons on an island utopia that they had conquered. The Autobots were quick to arrive, but Trypticon made short work of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and would have killed him if not for the sudden appearance of Metroplex. An over-eager Trypticon dove head-first at his rival, only to phase right through him and fall off a cliff and into the ocean. As it turned out, it was a hologram created by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and magnified by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #6}}

=====Scramble City=====
[[Image:Trypticon scramblecity alternate design.jpg|left|180px|thumb|UP FROM THE DEPTHS, THIRTY STORIES HIGH! BREATHING FIRE, HIS HEAD IN THE SKY!]]
Upon the Autobots' eventual completion of Metroplex, the city-bot was dispatched on his first mission to aid Superion and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] in battle against their Decepticon foes. The villains were soon defeated, but as the Autobots stood victorious on a cliff overlooking the ocean, an explosion from beneath the waves caught their attention. As they watched, the sea parted to reveal Trypticon's towering form, as Megatron ordered him into battle with Metroplex. The two giant robots stared each other down, preparing to clash for the first time... {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

{{note|...but this battle never happened, as a second installment of ''Scramble City'' was never produced.}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
[[Image:Trypticon and company.jpg|right|220px|thumb|Trypticon's audition for the lead role in ''Jurassic Park'' was foiled when Full-Tilt ran over the cameraman.]]
On a bright and sunny day in the year 2010, the [[Autobot]]s invited a group of [[human]] families to come take a tour of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. They were all very impressed and everything was going great... until Trypticon attacked. Preoccupied with keeping everyone inside him from dying, Metroplex was left to take all of Trypticon's attacks on the chin, including his Dual Plasma Cannons and Dino-Head Attack. With [[Scamper]] quickly taken out by [[Full-Tilt]], it looked as though Metroplex would be felled by a blast from the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt tank]].

Luckily, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] deployed [[Six-Gun]] just in time. Six-Gun took out Full-Tilt and then proceeded to turn the Brunt tank around on Trypticon, blasting the Decepticon with his own drone. The blast destroyed Trypticon's head controls, forcing [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to call a retreat. With the day won, Metroplex returned to city mode. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #3}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
[[Image:Trypticon great war.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Now with iPod docking ports as well.]]
After kidnapping the scientist [[Doctor Dalton]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] forced him to upgrade a number of his Decepticons, including Trypticon. With Dalton's upgrade, Trypticon became able to link up with [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] in base mode, enhancing their power. This new ability spelled trouble for the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], who barely managed to escape their encounter with the upgraded Trypticon and rescue Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

In 2011, as part of his massive assault to retake [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] unleashed Trypticon on Metroplex, the battle thoroughly occupying the [[Earth]] forces of the Autobots, keeping them from coming to Cybertron's defense. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}
{{-}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Trypticon rope bridge.jpg|right|215px|thumb|D'OH!]]
Trypticon continued serving the [[Decepticon]]s into the year 2011, acting under the command of the leader of the Decepticons' Earth-based unit, [[Sixshot]]. However, when the Decepticons renewed hostilities against the Autobots, Trypticon's first foray into battle was not an impressive one, as he menaced Daniel Witwicky and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] amidst the mountains close to Autobot City. The two youths tricked the giant Decepticon into walking onto a rickety rope bridge, which subsequently buckled under his weight and dumped him into a ravine. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

In battle station mode, Trypticon was later rolled into action with Sixshot at the controls. He attacked an oil refinery in order to draw out Metroplex, who was then disabled by the Decepticons' newest weapon, the electromagnetic [[Madmachine]]. Seeking to learn the secret of the Madmachine, [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] later infiltrated Trypticon and discovered that the robot was being controlled from Chaar by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[Image:Trypticon vs headmasters.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Nipple rocket! FIRE!]]
A little later, Trypticon was commandeered by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and Scourge to help them take down a mysterious blackmailer who was extorting energy from countries all around the world. Trypticon arrived in [[Tokyo]] in the midst of a battle between the blackmailer and [[Raiden]], and began attacking Raiden when the Autobot combiner opened fire on him. The Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] soon arrived to occupy Trypticon's attention, forcing Cyclonus and Scourge to bail out of the giant. Everyone wound up dogpiling on the blackmailer, but the joke was on Cyclonus and Scourge, as it turned out it was their own superior officer, Sixshot, carrying out a secret mission from Galvatron. The two Decepticons fled, leaving the badly damaged Trypticon behind. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

Trypticon was recovered and repaired in time to help Sixshot prevent the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s from aiding a team of Autobots imperiled on Mars. When Metroplex attempted to stop the six-changer's interference, Trypticon came stomping onto the scene, headbutted him, and pushed him back with a barrage of laser fire. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} Later, Galvatron rendezvoused with Sixshot at Trypticon before attempting to thwart the Autobots' attempt to lend aid to the troubled planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

When Sixshot mobilized the Decepticons for a series of major attacks across the Earth, Trypticon accompanied him for his approach on Autobot City. When Metroplex chased after Sixshot, Trypticon charged into action and began grappling with Metroplex, freeing up Sixshot to duel, and ultimately kill, Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Not long after, Trypticon attacked Autobot City again when Spike was in the middle of explaining to the Autobots that he had deduced the Decepticons' current plan involving the [[Pacific Ring of Fire]]. Metroplex quickly engaged his perennial foe, but when Sixshot arrived, Metroplex focused his attentions on the six-changer, seeking revenge for the death of Ultra Magnus. Spike attempted to shout a warning to Metroplex as Trypticon jumped him from behind, but it came too late. Metroplex was at the saurian city's mercy until [[Suiken]] joined the fight and helped tear Trypticon away from him. Trypticon was then sent fleeing under a barrage of combined firepower from Metroplex and Suiken. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

=====''Zone''=====
[[Image:TrypticonZone1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Master of subtlety.]]
Years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violen Jiger]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Trypticon was enlisted as his "Saurian General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Now wielding a club and shield and breathing fire, he was also apparently shrunken, as he was shown to be around the same size as the [[Combiner|combiners]] that made up most of the Demon Generals' ranks. The generals were charged with acquiring the two objects needed for Violen Jiger's ultimate goal: the Autobot super-fuel [[Energon Z]], and the enigmatic, life-giving energy source, the [[Zodiac]].

{{note|By the time of ''Zone'', Japanese cartoon continuity had already branched off in two similar but distinct directions a few years beforehand. One branch was depicted in the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' and ''Zone'' animated series, while the other was told through their respective [[manga]] and [[Story page|story pages]] as published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. As such, there are two discreet versions of the ''Zone'' story that both spin out of the cartoon timeline, detailed individually below.}}

======''Zone'' cartoon======
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daisuke Gōri]] (Japanese)

After several of the Demon Generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from the planet [[Micro|Zone]], they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Predaking]] and [[King Poseidon]]. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the Zodiac. Trypticon began tearing through China, smashing the Great Wall and breathing fire on the counterattacking military force.

[[Image:Energonzbeam.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"This campaign sucks. Black dragons spit acid, not fire."]]
A team of Autobot Micromasters soon arrived on the planet to battle the generals at Mount Fuji, and though their attacks had no effect on Trypticon, they struggled on until the [[Powered Master|Powered Masters]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] arrived to take up the fight. Sonic Bomber kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac, and when he re-emerged with the ancient energy source in hand, the furious Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z directly at him. Dai Atlas was knocked off his feet, and Trypticon prepared to deliver another blast, but Sonic Bomber leapt in front of the beam and took the blast to save his commander. With the two Autobots now lying right in front of him, Trypticon readied another Energon Z blast, but just as he unleashed it, Dai Atlas held the Zodiac aloft. When the Energon Z and Zodiac interacted, the Zodiac's true power was unleashed, transforming Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber into powerful "Zone Mode" battle stations. Using the mighty firepower of their new modes, the Powered Masters destroyed Trypticon and the other generals in one colossal blast. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

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======''Zone'' comic and story pages======
[[Image:Starsaber vs trypticon zone.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

Aquatic General [[King Poseidon]] and Saurian General Trypticon were the next to attack, attempting to conquer the oceanic world of [[Wall]]. They bested [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]], but were eventually defeated by the efforts of [[Overload (G1)|Overload]], [[Erector]], [[Missile Bull]] and [[Skywave]] commanding the [[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]], [[Jet Patrol Team]] and [[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]]. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 3}}

After a group of the generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from planet Zone, they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, Predaking, Devastator and King Poseidon. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the second component required for the [[Zodiac]]. Trypticon tore through France before converging on Mount Fuji with the other generals, where they easily batted around the Micromasters that arrived to confront them. When the Powered Masters Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrived, the Micromasters kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac. Dai Atlas soon emerged victorious, and everyone began grappling over the Zodiac, at which point Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z from the capsule in his mouth. Timing things just right, Dai Atlas held up the Zodiac so that the Energon Z beam would hit it, unlocking its true power. Suffused with the power of the Zodiac, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber transformed into powerful new "Zone Mode" battle stations and sent the Decepticons fleeing under a barrage of awesome firepower. {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Zone}}

Trypticon later returned for a rematch with the Powered Masters, engaging them in battle alongside [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. The two heroes were not particularly impressed, and they strove to end the fight in less than eight seconds. True to their word, they beat the snot out of them; Sonic Bomber besting Trypticon with his "Meteor Drop" attack. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:MarvelUS27 DinobotsVsTrypticon.JPG|left|275px|thumb|Probably the least embarrassing explanation for a burning sensation in your gonads.]]
When [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] informed Decepticon Earth commander [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] of his decision to shut down the [[space bridge]] in order to conserve energy, Shockwave petitioned him for one last use of the bridge, that they might send the deadliest Decepticon on Cybertron to attack the Ark and take its energy resources for their own. Ratbat agreed, and dispatched Trypticon into the forests of [[Oregon]], where he was spotted by paleontology student [[Rachel Becker]] as he stomped his way toward the Ark. Preferring to face his enemies head-on rather than ambush them, Trypticon launched a [[sonic-scrambler mine]] at the Ark to draw a small investigative team of Autobots out, then promptly began bombarding them with firepower in his battle station mode. With more sonic-scrambler mines carpeting the cave entrance to the Ark in order to prevent any Autobot reinforcements coming to the aid of the team, the Autobots seemed doomed, until Trypticon's attention was drawn by his minion, [[Wipe-Out]]. Trypticon's flunky had captured Rachel Becker and brought her to Trypticon to be destroyed, and Trypticon transformed back into his saurian mode, intrigued at the prospect of eliminating an organic. Suddenly, Trypticon was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], who had been observing the conflict from afar and sought to protect the human. The other Dinobots soon came stampeding into battle, and Trypticon was able to hold his own against all five of them; indeed, he might have even won the battle, had the miserly Ratbat not contacted him to inform him that he had exceeded his allotted energy expenditure for the mission. The space bridge materialized next to Trypticon, and he broke off the fight, calmly obeying Ratbat's orders to return to Cybertron. The "defeat" of Trypticon promptly led to Grimlock being elected Autobot leader. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

''Much later, when the Autobot mad scientist [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] threatened Cybertron with his [[zombie]] army, only a small band of Autobots, along with the Decepticon [[Flywheels]], stood against him. Ultra Magnus made the questionable decision to allow Flywheels to break off from the group to seek reinforcements, but the Autobots need not have worried: the [[Duocon]] returned with Trypticon, who smashed his way into Flame's underground base and delighted in stomping zombies underfoot. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}''

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Decepticonsdarkages.jpg|rigfht|225px|thumb|It is entirely possible he speaks with a British [[accents|accent]].]]
Trypticon began life as an early Decepticon military project, the prototype iteration of which was put to use in the Decepticons' initial wave of attacks after the death of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] around eight million years ago. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}}

Trypticon himself was created when the prototype was upgraded during the period of time known as the "Dark Ages", between seven-and-a-half and six-and-a-half million years ago. Investigating reports that merely described a "mobile command base," [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] led a team of Autobots to [[Praetorus Wharf]] in search of this mysterious new Decepticon weapon, and they wound up driving ''onto'' the camouflaged structure before they even knew it. Just as they realized their mistake, the base transformed into a towering saurian robot mode and introduced itself as Trypticon, delighted at the prospect of a full-fledged trial run of its/his destructive capabilities. {{storylink|Devastation (Dreamwave)|Devastation}} Prowl's Autobots threw everything they had at Trypticon, but even with the aid of some reinforcements led by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], they proved unable even to slow down the titan. They would surely have been destroyed had Trypticon not been called away to the [[Neutral Territories]] to aid his leader, Shockwave, who had been attacked by the minions of the mysterious [[The Fallen|Fallen]]. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} Trypticon later joined an allied team of Decepticons and Autobots in battling the Fallen's minions in [[Protihex]], where he put his impressive firepower to use trying to blast open the door to the [[Well of All Sparks]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Despite his effectiveness as a killing machine and his delight in the use of his powers in his formative years, Trypticon came to doubt the Decepticon cause and hate his role in it. He thinks that his abilities will eventually merit his taking leadership of the Decepticons, though he accepts this with the same resignation as the rest of his futile existence. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye}}

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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
As part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Trypticon defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] strike force. A massive barrage from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and G.I. Joe's artillery almost felled the giant Decepticon.

Later, a vision of the future witnessed by a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-empowered [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] showed Trypticon fighting alongside [[Iron Klaw]] against [[Sgt. Savage]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
During the war on Cybertron at some point in the past, Trypticon was waiting for the Autobots to advance right into his arms. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] suspected a trap, and ordered his troops to retreat instead. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|All Hail Megatron #13}}

Hundreds of years ago, Trypticon fought [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] alongside Megatron, Optimus Prime, and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} He survived the battle and was part of a major Decepticon counter-offensive on what was left of Cybertron shortly thereafter, led by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

===''Alternity''===
Trypticon was one of several powerful opponents chosen by a higher-dimensional [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] in a "game full of death and suffering", to go against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|avatar]]. {{storylink|To Die Game!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
As [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] searched for the truth behind [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Sixshot]] and Trypticon attacked the planet Earth. They were defeated and all the prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:''

Right when the Autobots had found the drill they were looking for in the Karzite mines, Trypticon gave out a loud roar. Rodimus Prime recognized it, but he was in disbelief about what it meant. Sure enough, Trypticon fell from the sky, stating that the Autobots were too late. The city/dinosaur Depecticon announced that he was going to crush all of the Autobots now that they had nowhere to run. Surprisingly, the Autobots managed to take down Trypticon, who cried out and announced his being hurt. Threatening the Autobots that he would not forget his defeat and warned them that he would crush them some day, Trypticon fled back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
{{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Trypticon''' (Decepticon City, 1986/1987) [[Image:Trypticon_g1_toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't mention the training wheels on the tail—he embarrasses easily.]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 loading ramps, 2 blaster stands, single-barreled blaster, double-barreled blaster, 2 scanners, 2 connectors, large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt, Full-Tilt's electro-disruptor.

:Trypticon transforms from a large grey, teal and purple dinosaur into a city mode, and from there into a mobile battle station. Trypticon shares many similarities with his contemporary and counterpart, Metroplex; he is accompanied by an entourage of smaller robots—the transforming mini-car, Full-Tilt, who forms Trypticon's chest plate, and the tank, Brunt, who is formed from several of his city-mode towers and other pieces—and in city mode, he can link up with the leaders of the 1986 Decepticon [[combiner]] teams, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], when they are in their base forms. Unlike Metroplex's combiner connections, the two leaders don't plug directly into Trypticon, instead linking up to him through two smaller "connector" pieces.

:Trypticon is further distinguished from Metroplex by the inclusion of several electronic gimmicks. Two C-size batteries power the electronics of Trypticon himself, allowing him to walk in dinosaur mode and causing his scanners and blasters to spin in city and battle station mode, respectively. Trypticon's main laser cannon (also part of Brunt) is powered by an AA battery and flashes orange.

:This mold was later [[retool]]ed, [[redeco]]ed, and sold with fewer accessories as ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]].

:Like a fair number of larger Generation 1 toys, Trypticon was never released in the UK.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Trypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''

===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Trypticon_jr_toy.jpg|300px|right|thumb|Mintasaurus]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 4 ramps, laser cannon

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Trypticon shrinks and simplifies the original toy, omitting the electronics, the battle station mode and... the color purple.
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===Classics===
[[Image:Classics Trypticon LOC.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Trypticon not want cuddles! Trypticon want smash Metroplex!]]
*'''Trypticon''' (Legends, 2006)
:The ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' version of Trypticon is a [[redeco]] of [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], transforming into a three-headed robotic dragon. This redeco is awesome and [http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=10656 needs cuddles].

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Grrr]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsTrypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''
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===Device Label===
[[Image:Device Label Trypticon.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Mouseasaurus.]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (2009)

: Takara's ''[[Device Label]]'' Trypticon transforms from a working USB laser mouse into a mechanoid raptor. He shares this mold with ''Device Label'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Device Label|Grimlock]].

: According to early BigBadToyStore solicitations, the mice were originally supposed to depict Generation 1 [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] and ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

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==Merchandise==

===Transformers Gum===
[[Image:Tfgum_trypticon.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Dinosauruer''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt

:A snap-together model kit of Trypticon was available as part of the fifth wave of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' [[candy toy]] series. A much-shrunken version of the original Trypticon toy, the kit transforms into something of a cross between city and battle station modes, and still comes with all the pieces to make Brunt, as well as a non-transforming car-mode Full-Tilt. Moulded from black, red and grey plastic, Trypticon has stickers for detail rather than paint operations, and came with a stick of gum.

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===Transformers Caramel===
[[Image:Trypticon_keshigomu.jpg|right|thumb|300p|Now Selling "Green Slime Godzilla" and "Japanese shrine Trypticon"! Collect them all!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
:A small soft-rubber ''keshigomu'' figurine of Trypticon, similar to the larger [[Decoy]]s, was released as part of Kabaya's line of ''[[Transformers Caramel]]'' candy toys. Like all the figures from the 1986 range, he came [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], and was available in a variety of pearlescent colors including red, yellow, blue and green. As the name of the series suggests, he came with a piece of caramel candy.

===Forms Robo===
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1987)
:Trypticon was also among the ten characters who were rendered as part of the ''[[Forms Robo]]'' line of oversized ''keshigomu'' figures. He came individually packaged in a plastic baggie, and was available in red, yellow, green or blue. Of the various ''Forms Robo'' figures, Trypticon is easily one of the hardest to find, rarely appearing on the secondary market.
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===MyClone===
[[Image:Trypticon_myclone.jpg|right|thumb|All together now: Awwwwwwww!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (MyClone, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''MTF018'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
:The Trypticon [[MyClone]] is the adorablest little killer dinosaur you ever did see. He was released in the third wave of the ''MyClone'' line of Transformers PVC figures, and comes with a hexagonal teal display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.
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==Notes==
[[Image:G1TrypticonHeadCompare.jpg|thumb|200px|"[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" model on top, "[[Call of the Primitives]]" model on the bottom.]]

*Trypticon's original [[Tech Spec]]s give him a very high rank of 9, but he is never portrayed as somebody so far up in the Decepticon power structure.

*For some reason, Trypticon's [[character model]] has no eyes. Or to be more specific, the panels on his faceted head which are intended to be his eyes aren't colored, and are consistently left this way for all of his animated appearances using this model. His [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe]] profile, meanwhile, ''does'' color the eyes, while in "Scramble City", he is animated with an entirely different model that features eyes, and also has the orange panel on his nose closed, as opposed to open and exposing the gun within, as it is rendered in both the cartoon series and Marvel comic.

*A [[wikipedia:triptych|triptych]] is an artifact divided into two hinged, three folding segments. Though obscure, this is an appropriate name for Trypticon, because his tyrannosaur mode ''is'' a triptych, unfolding into three segments when it transforms into city or battle station modes. See, parents, this stuff is educational too!

*''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]'s color scheme is based on Trypticon. His character [[bio]] (and this was when Grimlock was an idiot) had Trypticon's Marvel Generation 1 motto: "Total victory requires total destruction."

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Dinosaurer''' (beast mode, ダイナザウラー ''Dainozaurā''), '''Dinobase''' (city mode, ダイノベース ''Dainobēsu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Triptikon'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bàu-lúng Jīn-gāng''' (Taiwan, 暴龍金剛, "Tyrannosaurus [[Wikipedia:Vajra|Vajra]]"), '''Tiejia Long''' (China, 铁甲龙, "Armor Dino")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Tripticão'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Trypticon Trypticon's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Trypticon (G1)

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:''Trypticon is a [[Decepticon]] [[City-bot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:TrypticonGenerations1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"After G1, he was cast as the Red Ranger's T-Rex on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers."]]
Enormous in both size and power, '''Trypticon''' is an unstoppable engine of destruction. This might please him greatly... were he not bored by the entire prospect. He cares little for his role as the ultimate Decepticon weapon and finds war to be a waste of effort. He doesn't like his comrades, he absolutely ''hates'' the Autobots, and—though he hides it well—he loathes himself most of all.

Trypticon transforms to a massive artillery platform that can devastate Autobot forces, who often must resort to trickery to defeat him. The only Autobot who can go toe-to-toe with him is [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], and there is a great rivalry between the two cities.

Trypticon is sometimes accompanied by one or more smaller robots, such as the autonomous [[Wipe-Out]] and the drones [[Full-Tilt]] and [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt]].

He hates [[water]] more than any other substance in the universe, mostly because he gets thrown into it a lot.

{{quote|Trypticon cannot be stopped! Nothing can stand in my way!|Trypticon|"[[The Ultimate Weapon]]"}}

{{note|Trypticon's size and personality vary greatly between continuities, though most agree with—or at least do not contradict—the profile-based outline given here. The most notable exceptions are the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], where his size is only 2 to 3 times that of a typical Transformer, and the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Sunbow cartoon]], where his personality is that of a dimwitted, destructive animal.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Garrett]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese), [[Héctor Vieyra]] (Latin American)
[[Image:Ff0d5 trypticon destroys ark.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Brokeback Mountain.]]
In the year 2005, the allied forces of the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]] sought to attack the Autobots on two fronts, besieging them on both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and [[Earth]]. To counter the power of the Autobots' transforming Earth city, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the Decepticons arranged for the construction of a transforming city-robot of their own: Trypticon. Surreptitiously created out of a human city by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], Trypticon sent his former human occupants running for their lives as their city shifted and changed into the giant saurian robot. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:FFOD5 Metroplex Trypticon.JPG|right|225px|thumb|Clash of the Badly-Animated Titans.]]
Trypticon's first mission was to attack [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], but he met resistance in the form of a team of [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]]. Trypticon knocked [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] out of the sky and shrugged off the other Autobots' attacks from below (stepping on [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] in the process) before battling his way through a barrage of cannon fire and leveling Autobot Headquarters. With this task complete, Trypticon turned his attention to [[Autobot City]] and Metroplex, and the giant Autobot could not have been at a worse disadvantage, being as he was without his [[Transformation cog|transforming cog]] and thus unable to transform to robot mode. Thankfully, the timely arrival of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] with the cog allowed Metroplex to transform and gain the upper hand in the battle. Trypticon was seized by the Autobot giant and hurled over the horizon, crashing into the Pacific Ocean. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

While the Autobots believed that Trypticon had been destroyed, the dinosaur Decepticon had, in fact, retreated to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] to recuperate. In 2006, in the midst of his recovery, Trypticon was approached by Decepticon wheeler-dealer [[Octane]], who talked him into relocating with him to the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. There, Octane made a deal with ruler [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]]: In exchange for the Carbombya's high-grade oil, he and Trypticon would guard the country's coasts.

[[Image:Thiefinthenight trypticon steals kremlin.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Tom Clancy's latest novel: "Red Rex Rising."]] The deal soured when Fakkadi discovered how ridiculously energy-consumptive Trypticon was, and things came to a head when the dull-witted dino mistook a passing cruise ship for an invader and fired on it. Octane turned things around by arranging to have Trypticon use his prodigious size and strength to steal famous monuments for Fakkadi from around the world. Initially, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] were suspected of the thefts, but [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] linked the crime back to Trypticon, and the Decepticon was caught in the act stealing the Eiffel Tower. Trypticon was able to beat the Autobots back, and he then attempted to steal the Kremlin, but was ambushed by the waiting Autobot forces and stopped from doing so. With help from Fakkadi, the Autobots tracked the Decepticons back to Carbombya, where Metroplex engaged Trypticon in battle once more and hurled him into the ocean again. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

Trypticon survived his dunking and was relocated to [[Chaar]], where he was the victim of the ghost of deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] when the spirit made a pact with [[Unicron]] to restore his body. In exchange for this boon, the dark god charged Starscream with fulfilling three tasks, beginning with the theft of Metroplex's eyes to replace Unicron's own. One of Metroplex's eyes was destroyed in the attempted theft, necessitating that Starscream and his pawn, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], steal one of Trypticon's instead. Next, Starscream possessed Trypticon's body itself and brought the giant Decepticon to Unicron so that his transforming cog could be transplanted into Unicron's head. The final task was to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron itself, so the planet could become his new body, but as Starscream used Trypticon's possessed body to complete the connections, [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and the [[Battlecharger]]s disabled the city-bot from within, rendering him unable to complete the task. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Ultimateweapon metroplex hefts trypticon.jpg|right|215px|thumb|Shows that you can have sexy mudwrestling ''or'' giant robots, but not sexy, mudwrestling giant robots.]]
Later, after [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stole Metroplex's transforming cog, Galvatron dispatched Trypticon to destroy the defenseless city. Confident of victory, Trypticon decided to have some fun, eating a naval destroyer and menacing the passengers of a train. However, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] flew into Trypticon through his mouth, firing all the while, giving the giant dinosaur [[Furmanism|the worst case of indigestion he'd ever had]]. Trypticon was forced to retreat, and he transformed back into city mode so that human repairmen recruited by the Decepticons(?!) could fix his damaged innards. As it turned out, the "repairmen" were Autobot allies [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and his son [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], who stole Trypticon's own transforming cog, intending to use it on Metroplex. This forced the Decepticons to use Metroplex's transforming cog on Trypticon, but neither cog worked particularly well in either of the two robots, and as they battled, they wound up partially transforming, shifting and stalling at various stages between their modes. At first, Trypticon had the advantage in the battle and threw Metroplex into a lake, but eventually, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] arrived to align the Decepticon cog properly within Metroplex, allowing the Autobot to transform fully. Metroplex regained the initiative, and yet again treated Trypticon to another dunking, hurling him even deeper into the lake, where he sank. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[Image:Calloftheprimitives trypticon vs tornedron.jpg|left|210px|thumb|"Father... pleeease! Heelp meeee!"]]
Trypticon later participated in a battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, during which he and all the other "[[Primitive]]" animal-based Transformers present were telepathically contacted by the being known as the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]]. Trypticon served as a transport that carried the Primitives to the dead world at the center of the universe from which the summons came, but was too large to enter the cavern in which the Oracle resided, and so he stood sentinel outside while the others ventured in. As the Oracle explained that he had summoned them to battle the energy-draining creature known as [[Tornedron]], Trypticon was the first to face off with the parasite, which took the form of a dragon and sucked his energy dry. Trypticon's lifeless husk toppled over on top of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], leading all the other Primitives to believe him destroyed, but the Dinobot leader had, in fact, survived, and was finally the one to defeat Tornedron and restore Trypticon and all the others drained by him. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the American animated series covered above occur in Japanese continuity, with the primary difference between the two being that the events of season three (set in 2006 in America) are pushed back to 2010 in the Japanese dub. As far as Trypticon is concerned, however, there is one much larger, contradictory fact established by the additional stories told in various Japanese media: In this continuity, Trypticon was actually built in the 1980s, and then ''re''built during the events of "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".}}

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[Image:Trypticon metroplex hologram.jpg|right|180px|thumb|This week on ''Robote''—oh, sorry, wrong anime.]]
In the late 1980s, while the [[Autobot]]s were in the process of constructing Metroplex, the Decepticons were just as busy creating a counter in the form of Trypticon. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] were able to sneak past the Autobots' security and spy on the construction on Metroplex, acquiring the information that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] needed to discover whether or not Metroplex was strong enough to stand up to Trypticon. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Trypticon was completed soon after and was unleashed by the Decepticons on an island utopia that they had conquered. The Autobots were quick to arrive, but Trypticon made short work of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and would have killed him if not for the sudden appearance of Metroplex. An over-eager Trypticon dove head-first at his rival, only to phase right through him and fall off a cliff and into the ocean. As it turned out, it was a hologram created by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and magnified by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #6}}

=====Scramble City=====
[[Image:Trypticon scramblecity alternate design.jpg|left|180px|thumb|UP FROM THE DEPTHS, THIRTY STORIES HIGH! BREATHING FIRE, HIS HEAD IN THE SKY!]]
Upon the Autobots' eventual completion of Metroplex, the city-bot was dispatched on his first mission to aid Superion and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] in battle against their Decepticon foes. The villains were soon defeated, but as the Autobots stood victorious on a cliff overlooking the ocean, an explosion from beneath the waves caught their attention. As they watched, the sea parted to reveal Trypticon's towering form, as Megatron ordered him into battle with Metroplex. The two giant robots stared each other down, preparing to clash for the first time... {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

{{note|...but this battle never happened, as a second installment of ''Scramble City'' was never produced.}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
[[Image:Trypticon and company.jpg|right|220px|thumb|Trypticon's audition for the lead role in ''Jurassic Park'' was foiled when Full-Tilt ran over the cameraman.]]
On a bright and sunny day in the year 2010, the [[Autobot]]s invited a group of [[human]] families to come take a tour of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. They were all very impressed and everything was going great... until Trypticon attacked. Preoccupied with keeping everyone inside him from dying, Metroplex was left to take all of Trypticon's attacks on the chin, including his Dual Plasma Cannons and Dino-Head Attack. With [[Scamper]] quickly taken out by [[Full-Tilt]], it looked as though Metroplex would be felled by a blast from the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt tank]].

Luckily, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] deployed [[Six-Gun]] just in time. Six-Gun took out Full-Tilt and then proceeded to turn the Brunt tank around on Trypticon, blasting the Decepticon with his own drone. The blast destroyed Trypticon's head controls, forcing [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to call a retreat. With the day won, Metroplex returned to city mode. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #3}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
[[Image:Trypticon great war.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Now with iPod docking ports as well.]]
After kidnapping the scientist [[Doctor Dalton]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] forced him to upgrade a number of his Decepticons, including Trypticon. With Dalton's upgrade, Trypticon became able to link up with [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] in base mode, enhancing their power. This new ability spelled trouble for the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], who barely managed to escape their encounter with the upgraded Trypticon and rescue Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

In 2011, as part of his massive assault to retake [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] unleashed Trypticon on Metroplex, the battle thoroughly occupying the [[Earth]] forces of the Autobots, keeping them from coming to Cybertron's defense. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Trypticon rope bridge.jpg|right|215px|thumb|D'OH!]]
Trypticon continued serving the [[Decepticon]]s into the year 2011, acting under the command of the leader of the Decepticons' Earth-based unit, [[Sixshot]]. However, when the Decepticons renewed hostilities against the Autobots, Trypticon's first foray into battle was not an impressive one, as he menaced Daniel Witwicky and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] amidst the mountains close to Autobot City. The two youths tricked the giant Decepticon into walking onto a rickety rope bridge, which subsequently buckled under his weight and dumped him into a ravine. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

In battle station mode, Trypticon was later rolled into action with Sixshot at the controls. He attacked an oil refinery in order to draw out Metroplex, who was then disabled by the Decepticons' newest weapon, the electromagnetic [[Madmachine]]. Seeking to learn the secret of the Madmachine, [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] later infiltrated Trypticon and discovered that the robot was being controlled from Chaar by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[Image:Trypticon vs headmasters.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Nipple rocket! FIRE!]]
A little later, Trypticon was commandeered by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and Scourge to help them take down a mysterious blackmailer who was extorting energy from countries all around the world. Trypticon arrived in [[Tokyo]] in the midst of a battle between the blackmailer and [[Raiden]], and began attacking Raiden when the Autobot combiner opened fire on him. The Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] soon arrived to occupy Trypticon's attention, forcing Cyclonus and Scourge to bail out of the giant. Everyone wound up dogpiling on the blackmailer, but the joke was on Cyclonus and Scourge, as it turned out it was their own superior officer, Sixshot, carrying out a secret mission from Galvatron. The two Decepticons fled, leaving the badly damaged Trypticon behind. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

Trypticon was recovered and repaired in time to help Sixshot prevent the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s from aiding a team of Autobots imperiled on Mars. When Metroplex attempted to stop the six-changer's interference, Trypticon came stomping onto the scene, headbutted him, and pushed him back with a barrage of laser fire. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} Later, Galvatron rendezvoused with Sixshot at Trypticon before attempting to thwart the Autobots' attempt to lend aid to the troubled planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

When Sixshot mobilized the Decepticons for a series of major attacks across the Earth, Trypticon accompanied him for his approach on Autobot City. When Metroplex chased after Sixshot, Trypticon charged into action and began grappling with Metroplex, freeing up Sixshot to duel, and ultimately kill, Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Not long after, Trypticon attacked Autobot City again when Spike was in the middle of explaining to the Autobots that he had deduced the Decepticons' current plan involving the [[Pacific Ring of Fire]]. Metroplex quickly engaged his perennial foe, but when Sixshot arrived, Metroplex focused his attentions on the six-changer, seeking revenge for the death of Ultra Magnus. Spike attempted to shout a warning to Metroplex as Trypticon jumped him from behind, but it came too late. Metroplex was at the saurian city's mercy until [[Suiken]] joined the fight and helped tear Trypticon away from him. Trypticon was then sent fleeing under a barrage of combined firepower from Metroplex and Suiken. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

=====''Zone''=====
[[Image:TrypticonZone1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Master of subtlety.]]
Years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violen Jiger]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Trypticon was enlisted as his "Saurian General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Now wielding a club and shield and breathing fire, he was also apparently shrunken, as he was shown to be around the same size as the [[Combiner|combiners]] that made up most of the Demon Generals' ranks. The generals were charged with acquiring the two objects needed for Violen Jiger's ultimate goal: the Autobot super-fuel [[Energon Z]], and the enigmatic, life-giving energy source, the [[Zodiac]].

{{note|By the time of ''Zone'', Japanese cartoon continuity had already branched off in two similar but distinct directions a few years beforehand. One branch was depicted in the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' and ''Zone'' animated series, while the other was told through their respective [[manga]] and [[Story page|story pages]] as published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. As such, there are two discreet versions of the ''Zone'' story that both spin out of the cartoon timeline, detailed individually below.}}

======''Zone'' cartoon======
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daisuke Gōri]] (Japanese)

After several of the Demon Generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from the planet [[Micro|Zone]], they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Predaking]] and [[King Poseidon]]. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the Zodiac. Trypticon began tearing through China, smashing the Great Wall and breathing fire on the counterattacking military force.

[[Image:Energonzbeam.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"This campaign sucks. Black dragons spit acid, not fire."]]
A team of Autobot Micromasters soon arrived on the planet to battle the generals at Mount Fuji, and though their attacks had no effect on Trypticon, they struggled on until the [[Powered Master|Powered Masters]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] arrived to take up the fight. Sonic Bomber kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac, and when he re-emerged with the ancient energy source in hand, the furious Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z directly at him. Dai Atlas was knocked off his feet, and Trypticon prepared to deliver another blast, but Sonic Bomber leapt in front of the beam and took the blast to save his commander. With the two Autobots now lying right in front of him, Trypticon readied another Energon Z blast, but just as he unleashed it, Dai Atlas held the Zodiac aloft. When the Energon Z and Zodiac interacted, the Zodiac's true power was unleashed, transforming Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber into powerful "Zone Mode" battle stations. Using the mighty firepower of their new modes, the Powered Masters destroyed Trypticon and the other generals in one colossal blast. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

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======''Zone'' comic and story pages======
[[Image:Starsaber vs trypticon zone.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

Aquatic General [[King Poseidon]] and Saurian General Trypticon were the next to attack, attempting to conquer the oceanic world of [[Wall]]. They bested [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]], but were eventually defeated by the efforts of [[Overload (G1)|Overload]], [[Erector]], [[Missile Bull]] and [[Skywave]] commanding the [[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]], [[Jet Patrol Team]] and [[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]]. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 3}}

After a group of the generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from planet Zone, they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, Predaking, Devastator and King Poseidon. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the second component required for the [[Zodiac]]. Trypticon tore through France before converging on Mount Fuji with the other generals, where they easily batted around the Micromasters that arrived to confront them. When the Powered Masters Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrived, the Micromasters kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac. Dai Atlas soon emerged victorious, and everyone began grappling over the Zodiac, at which point Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z from the capsule in his mouth. Timing things just right, Dai Atlas held up the Zodiac so that the Energon Z beam would hit it, unlocking its true power. Suffused with the power of the Zodiac, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber transformed into powerful new "Zone Mode" battle stations and sent the Decepticons fleeing under a barrage of awesome firepower. {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Zone}}

Trypticon later returned for a rematch with the Powered Masters, engaging them in battle alongside [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. The two heroes were not particularly impressed, and they strove to end the fight in less than eight seconds. True to their word, they beat the snot out of them; Sonic Bomber besting Trypticon with his "Meteor Drop" attack. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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[[Image:MarvelUS27 DinobotsVsTrypticon.JPG|left|275px|thumb|Probably the least embarrassing explanation for a burning sensation in your gonads.]]
When [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] informed Decepticon Earth commander [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] of his decision to shut down the [[space bridge]] in order to conserve energy, Shockwave petitioned him for one last use of the bridge, that they might send the deadliest Decepticon on Cybertron to attack the Ark and take its energy resources for their own. Ratbat agreed, and dispatched Trypticon into the forests of [[Oregon]], where he was spotted by paleontology student [[Rachel Becker]] as he stomped his way toward the Ark. Preferring to face his enemies head-on rather than ambush them, Trypticon launched a [[sonic-scrambler mine]] at the Ark to draw a small investigative team of Autobots out, then promptly began bombarding them with firepower in his battle station mode. With more sonic-scrambler mines carpeting the cave entrance to the Ark in order to prevent any Autobot reinforcements coming to the aid of the team, the Autobots seemed doomed, until Trypticon's attention was drawn by his minion, [[Wipe-Out]]. Trypticon's flunky had captured Rachel Becker and brought her to Trypticon to be destroyed, and Trypticon transformed back into his saurian mode, intrigued at the prospect of eliminating an organic. Suddenly, Trypticon was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], who had been observing the conflict from afar and sought to protect the human. The other Dinobots soon came stampeding into battle, and Trypticon was able to hold his own against all five of them; indeed, he might have even won the battle, had the miserly Ratbat not contacted him to inform him that he had exceeded his allotted energy expenditure for the mission. The space bridge materialized next to Trypticon, and he broke off the fight, calmly obeying Ratbat's orders to return to Cybertron. The "defeat" of Trypticon promptly led to Grimlock being elected Autobot leader. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

''Much later, when the Autobot mad scientist [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] threatened Cybertron with his [[zombie]] army, only a small band of Autobots, along with the Decepticon [[Flywheels]], stood against him. Ultra Magnus made the questionable decision to allow Flywheels to break off from the group to seek reinforcements, but the Autobots need not have worried: the [[Duocon]] returned with Trypticon, who smashed his way into Flame's underground base and delighted in stomping zombies underfoot. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}''

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Decepticonsdarkages.jpg|rigfht|225px|thumb|It is entirely possible he speaks with a British [[accents|accent]].]]
Trypticon began life as an early Decepticon military project, the prototype iteration of which was put to use in the Decepticons' initial wave of attacks after the death of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] around eight million years ago. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}}

Trypticon himself was created when the prototype was upgraded during the period of time known as the "Dark Ages", between seven-and-a-half and six-and-a-half million years ago. Investigating reports that merely described a "mobile command base," [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] led a team of Autobots to [[Praetorus Wharf]] in search of this mysterious new Decepticon weapon, and they wound up driving ''onto'' the camouflaged structure before they even knew it. Just as they realized their mistake, the base transformed into a towering saurian robot mode and introduced itself as Trypticon, delighted at the prospect of a full-fledged trial run of its/his destructive capabilities. {{storylink|Devastation (Dreamwave)|Devastation}} Prowl's Autobots threw everything they had at Trypticon, but even with the aid of some reinforcements led by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], they proved unable even to slow down the titan. They would surely have been destroyed had Trypticon not been called away to the [[Neutral Territories]] to aid his leader, Shockwave, who had been attacked by the minions of the mysterious [[The Fallen|Fallen]]. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} Trypticon later joined an allied team of Decepticons and Autobots in battling the Fallen's minions in [[Protihex]], where he put his impressive firepower to use trying to blast open the door to the [[Well of All Sparks]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Despite his effectiveness as a killing machine and his delight in the use of his powers in his formative years, Trypticon came to doubt the Decepticon cause and hate his role in it. He thinks that his abilities will eventually merit his taking leadership of the Decepticons, though he accepts this with the same resignation as the rest of his futile existence. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye}}

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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
As part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Trypticon defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] strike force. A massive barrage from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and G.I. Joe's artillery almost felled the giant Decepticon.

Later, a vision of the future witnessed by a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-empowered [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] showed Trypticon fighting alongside [[Iron Klaw]] against [[Sgt. Savage]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
During the war on Cybertron at some point in the past, Trypticon was waiting for the Autobots to advance right into his arms. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] suspected a trap, and ordered his troops to retreat instead. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|All Hail Megatron #13}}

Hundreds of years ago, Trypticon fought [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] alongside Megatron, Optimus Prime, and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} He survived the battle and was part of a major Decepticon counter-offensive on what was left of Cybertron shortly thereafter, led by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

===''Alternity''===
Trypticon was one of several powerful opponents chosen by a higher-dimensional [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] in a "game full of death and suffering", to go against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|avatar]]. {{storylink|To Die Game!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
As [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] searched for the truth behind [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Sixshot]] and Trypticon attacked the planet Earth. They were defeated and all the prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:''

Right when the Autobots had found the drill they were looking for in the Karzite mines, Trypticon gave out a loud roar. Rodimus Prime recognized it, but he was in disbelief about what it meant. Sure enough, Trypticon fell from the sky, stating that the Autobots were too late. The city/dinosaur Depecticon announced that he was going to crush all of the Autobots now that they had nowhere to run. Surprisingly, the Autobots managed to take down Trypticon, who cried out and announced his being hurt. Threatening the Autobots that he would not forget his defeat and warned them that he would crush them some day, Trypticon fled back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
{{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Trypticon''' (Decepticon City, 1986/1987) [[Image:Trypticon_g1_toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't mention the training wheels on the tail—he embarrasses easily.]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 loading ramps, 2 blaster stands, single-barreled blaster, double-barreled blaster, 2 scanners, 2 connectors, large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt, Full-Tilt's electro-disruptor.

:Trypticon transforms from a large grey, teal and purple dinosaur into a city mode, and from there into a mobile battle station. Trypticon shares many similarities with his contemporary and counterpart, Metroplex; he is accompanied by an entourage of smaller robots—the transforming mini-car, Full-Tilt, who forms Trypticon's chest plate, and the tank, Brunt, who is formed from several of his city-mode towers and other pieces—and in city mode, he can link up with the leaders of the 1986 Decepticon [[combiner]] teams, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], when they are in their base forms. Unlike Metroplex's combiner connections, the two leaders don't plug directly into Trypticon, instead linking up to him through two smaller "connector" pieces.

:Trypticon is further distinguished from Metroplex by the inclusion of several electronic gimmicks. Two C-size batteries power the electronics of Trypticon himself, allowing him to walk in dinosaur mode and causing his scanners and blasters to spin in city and battle station mode, respectively. Trypticon's main laser cannon (also part of Brunt) is powered by an AA battery and flashes orange.

:This mold was later [[retool]]ed, [[redeco]]ed, and sold with fewer accessories as ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]].

:Like a fair number of larger Generation 1 toys, Trypticon was never released in the UK.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Trypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''

===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Trypticon_jr_toy.jpg|300px|right|thumb|Mintasaurus]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 4 ramps, laser cannon

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Trypticon shrinks and simplifies the original toy, omitting the electronics, the battle station mode and... the color purple.
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===Classics===
[[Image:Classics Trypticon LOC.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Trypticon not want cuddles! Trypticon want smash Metroplex!]]
*'''Trypticon''' (Legends, 2006)
:The ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' version of Trypticon is a [[redeco]] of [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], transforming into a three-headed robotic dragon. This redeco is awesome and [http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=10656 needs cuddles].

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Grrr]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsTrypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''
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===Device Label===
[[Image:Device Label Trypticon.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Mouseasaurus.]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (2009)

: Takara's ''[[Device Label]]'' Trypticon transforms from a working USB laser mouse into a mechanoid raptor. He shares this mold with ''Device Label'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Device Label|Grimlock]].

: According to early BigBadToyStore solicitations, the mice were originally supposed to depict Generation 1 [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] and ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

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==Merchandise==

===Transformers Gum===
[[Image:Tfgum_trypticon.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Dinosauruer''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt

:A snap-together model kit of Trypticon was available as part of the fifth wave of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' [[candy toy]] series. A much-shrunken version of the original Trypticon toy, the kit transforms into something of a cross between city and battle station modes, and still comes with all the pieces to make Brunt, as well as a non-transforming car-mode Full-Tilt. Moulded from black, red and grey plastic, Trypticon has stickers for detail rather than paint operations, and came with a stick of gum.

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===Transformers Caramel===
[[Image:Trypticon_keshigomu.jpg|right|thumb|300p|Now Selling "Green Slime Godzilla and Japanese shrine Trypticon! Collect them all!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
:A small soft-rubber ''keshigomu'' figurine of Trypticon, similar to the larger [[Decoy]]s, was released as part of Kabaya's line of ''[[Transformers Caramel]]'' candy toys. Like all the figures from the 1986 range, he came [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], and was available in a variety of pearlescent colors including red, yellow, blue and green. As the name of the series suggests, he came with a piece of caramel candy.

===Forms Robo===
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1987)
:Trypticon was also among the ten characters who were rendered as part of the ''[[Forms Robo]]'' line of oversized ''keshigomu'' figures. He came individually packaged in a plastic baggie, and was available in red, yellow, green or blue. Of the various ''Forms Robo'' figures, Trypticon is easily one of the hardest to find, rarely appearing on the secondary market.
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===MyClone===
[[Image:Trypticon_myclone.jpg|right|thumb|All together now: Awwwwwwww!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (MyClone, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''MTF018'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
:The Trypticon [[MyClone]] is the adorablest little killer dinosaur you ever did see. He was released in the third wave of the ''MyClone'' line of Transformers PVC figures, and comes with a hexagonal teal display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.
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==Notes==
[[Image:G1TrypticonHeadCompare.jpg|thumb|200px|"[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" model on top, "[[Call of the Primitives]]" model on the bottom.]]

*Trypticon's original [[Tech Spec]]s give him a very high rank of 9, but he is never portrayed as somebody so far up in the Decepticon power structure.

*For some reason, Trypticon's [[character model]] has no eyes. Or to be more specific, the panels on his faceted head which are intended to be his eyes aren't colored, and are consistently left this way for all of his animated appearances using this model. His [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe]] profile, meanwhile, ''does'' color the eyes, while in "Scramble City", he is animated with an entirely different model that features eyes, and also has the orange panel on his nose closed, as opposed to open and exposing the gun within, as it is rendered in both the cartoon series and Marvel comic.

*A [[wikipedia:triptych|triptych]] is an artifact divided into two hinged, three folding segments. Though obscure, this is an appropriate name for Trypticon, because his tyrannosaur mode ''is'' a triptych, unfolding into three segments when it transforms into city or battle station modes. See, parents, this stuff is educational too!

*''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]'s color scheme is based on Trypticon. His character [[bio]] (and this was when Grimlock was an idiot) had Trypticon's Marvel Generation 1 motto: "Total victory requires total destruction."

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Dinosaurer''' (beast mode, ダイナザウラー ''Dainozaurā''), '''Dinobase''' (city mode, ダイノベース ''Dainobēsu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Triptikon'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bàu-lúng Jīn-gāng''' (Taiwan, 暴龍金剛, "Tyrannosaurus [[Wikipedia:Vajra|Vajra]]"), '''Tiejia Long''' (China, 铁甲龙, "Armor Dino")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Tripticão'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Trypticon Trypticon's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Trypticon (G1)

2011-05-27T20:34:08Z

184.56.27.61: /* Transformers Caramel */

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:''Trypticon is a [[Decepticon]] [[City-bot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:TrypticonGenerations1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"After G1, he was cast as the Red Ranger's T-Rex on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers."]]
Enormous in both size and power, '''Trypticon''' is an unstoppable engine of destruction. This might please him greatly... were he not bored by the entire prospect. He cares little for his role as the ultimate Decepticon weapon and finds war to be a waste of effort. He doesn't like his comrades, he absolutely ''hates'' the Autobots, and—though he hides it well—he loathes himself most of all.

Trypticon transforms to a massive artillery platform that can devastate Autobot forces, who often must resort to trickery to defeat him. The only Autobot who can go toe-to-toe with him is [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], and there is a great rivalry between the two cities.

Trypticon is sometimes accompanied by one or more smaller robots, such as the autonomous [[Wipe-Out]] and the drones [[Full-Tilt]] and [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt]].

He hates [[water]] more than any other substance in the universe, mostly because he gets thrown into it a lot.

{{quote|Trypticon cannot be stopped! Nothing can stand in my way!|Trypticon|"[[The Ultimate Weapon]]"}}

{{note|Trypticon's size and personality vary greatly between continuities, though most agree with—or at least do not contradict—the profile-based outline given here. The most notable exceptions are the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], where his size is only 2 to 3 times that of a typical Transformer, and the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Sunbow cartoon]], where his personality is that of a dimwitted, destructive animal.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Garrett]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese), [[Héctor Vieyra]] (Latin American)
[[Image:Ff0d5 trypticon destroys ark.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Brokeback Mountain.]]
In the year 2005, the allied forces of the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]] sought to attack the Autobots on two fronts, besieging them on both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and [[Earth]]. To counter the power of the Autobots' transforming Earth city, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the Decepticons arranged for the construction of a transforming city-robot of their own: Trypticon. Surreptitiously created out of a human city by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], Trypticon sent his former human occupants running for their lives as their city shifted and changed into the giant saurian robot. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:FFOD5 Metroplex Trypticon.JPG|right|225px|thumb|Clash of the Badly-Animated Titans.]]
Trypticon's first mission was to attack [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], but he met resistance in the form of a team of [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]]. Trypticon knocked [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] out of the sky and shrugged off the other Autobots' attacks from below (stepping on [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] in the process) before battling his way through a barrage of cannon fire and leveling Autobot Headquarters. With this task complete, Trypticon turned his attention to [[Autobot City]] and Metroplex, and the giant Autobot could not have been at a worse disadvantage, being as he was without his [[Transformation cog|transforming cog]] and thus unable to transform to robot mode. Thankfully, the timely arrival of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] with the cog allowed Metroplex to transform and gain the upper hand in the battle. Trypticon was seized by the Autobot giant and hurled over the horizon, crashing into the Pacific Ocean. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

While the Autobots believed that Trypticon had been destroyed, the dinosaur Decepticon had, in fact, retreated to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] to recuperate. In 2006, in the midst of his recovery, Trypticon was approached by Decepticon wheeler-dealer [[Octane]], who talked him into relocating with him to the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. There, Octane made a deal with ruler [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]]: In exchange for the Carbombya's high-grade oil, he and Trypticon would guard the country's coasts.

[[Image:Thiefinthenight trypticon steals kremlin.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Tom Clancy's latest novel: "Red Rex Rising."]] The deal soured when Fakkadi discovered how ridiculously energy-consumptive Trypticon was, and things came to a head when the dull-witted dino mistook a passing cruise ship for an invader and fired on it. Octane turned things around by arranging to have Trypticon use his prodigious size and strength to steal famous monuments for Fakkadi from around the world. Initially, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] were suspected of the thefts, but [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] linked the crime back to Trypticon, and the Decepticon was caught in the act stealing the Eiffel Tower. Trypticon was able to beat the Autobots back, and he then attempted to steal the Kremlin, but was ambushed by the waiting Autobot forces and stopped from doing so. With help from Fakkadi, the Autobots tracked the Decepticons back to Carbombya, where Metroplex engaged Trypticon in battle once more and hurled him into the ocean again. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

Trypticon survived his dunking and was relocated to [[Chaar]], where he was the victim of the ghost of deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] when the spirit made a pact with [[Unicron]] to restore his body. In exchange for this boon, the dark god charged Starscream with fulfilling three tasks, beginning with the theft of Metroplex's eyes to replace Unicron's own. One of Metroplex's eyes was destroyed in the attempted theft, necessitating that Starscream and his pawn, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], steal one of Trypticon's instead. Next, Starscream possessed Trypticon's body itself and brought the giant Decepticon to Unicron so that his transforming cog could be transplanted into Unicron's head. The final task was to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron itself, so the planet could become his new body, but as Starscream used Trypticon's possessed body to complete the connections, [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and the [[Battlecharger]]s disabled the city-bot from within, rendering him unable to complete the task. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Ultimateweapon metroplex hefts trypticon.jpg|right|215px|thumb|Shows that you can have sexy mudwrestling ''or'' giant robots, but not sexy, mudwrestling giant robots.]]
Later, after [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stole Metroplex's transforming cog, Galvatron dispatched Trypticon to destroy the defenseless city. Confident of victory, Trypticon decided to have some fun, eating a naval destroyer and menacing the passengers of a train. However, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] flew into Trypticon through his mouth, firing all the while, giving the giant dinosaur [[Furmanism|the worst case of indigestion he'd ever had]]. Trypticon was forced to retreat, and he transformed back into city mode so that human repairmen recruited by the Decepticons(?!) could fix his damaged innards. As it turned out, the "repairmen" were Autobot allies [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and his son [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], who stole Trypticon's own transforming cog, intending to use it on Metroplex. This forced the Decepticons to use Metroplex's transforming cog on Trypticon, but neither cog worked particularly well in either of the two robots, and as they battled, they wound up partially transforming, shifting and stalling at various stages between their modes. At first, Trypticon had the advantage in the battle and threw Metroplex into a lake, but eventually, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] arrived to align the Decepticon cog properly within Metroplex, allowing the Autobot to transform fully. Metroplex regained the initiative, and yet again treated Trypticon to another dunking, hurling him even deeper into the lake, where he sank. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[Image:Calloftheprimitives trypticon vs tornedron.jpg|left|210px|thumb|"Father... pleeease! Heelp meeee!"]]
Trypticon later participated in a battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, during which he and all the other "[[Primitive]]" animal-based Transformers present were telepathically contacted by the being known as the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]]. Trypticon served as a transport that carried the Primitives to the dead world at the center of the universe from which the summons came, but was too large to enter the cavern in which the Oracle resided, and so he stood sentinel outside while the others ventured in. As the Oracle explained that he had summoned them to battle the energy-draining creature known as [[Tornedron]], Trypticon was the first to face off with the parasite, which took the form of a dragon and sucked his energy dry. Trypticon's lifeless husk toppled over on top of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], leading all the other Primitives to believe him destroyed, but the Dinobot leader had, in fact, survived, and was finally the one to defeat Tornedron and restore Trypticon and all the others drained by him. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the American animated series covered above occur in Japanese continuity, with the primary difference between the two being that the events of season three (set in 2006 in America) are pushed back to 2010 in the Japanese dub. As far as Trypticon is concerned, however, there is one much larger, contradictory fact established by the additional stories told in various Japanese media: In this continuity, Trypticon was actually built in the 1980s, and then ''re''built during the events of "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".}}

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[Image:Trypticon metroplex hologram.jpg|right|180px|thumb|This week on ''Robote''—oh, sorry, wrong anime.]]
In the late 1980s, while the [[Autobot]]s were in the process of constructing Metroplex, the Decepticons were just as busy creating a counter in the form of Trypticon. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] were able to sneak past the Autobots' security and spy on the construction on Metroplex, acquiring the information that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] needed to discover whether or not Metroplex was strong enough to stand up to Trypticon. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Trypticon was completed soon after and was unleashed by the Decepticons on an island utopia that they had conquered. The Autobots were quick to arrive, but Trypticon made short work of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and would have killed him if not for the sudden appearance of Metroplex. An over-eager Trypticon dove head-first at his rival, only to phase right through him and fall off a cliff and into the ocean. As it turned out, it was a hologram created by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and magnified by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #6}}

=====Scramble City=====
[[Image:Trypticon scramblecity alternate design.jpg|left|180px|thumb|UP FROM THE DEPTHS, THIRTY STORIES HIGH! BREATHING FIRE, HIS HEAD IN THE SKY!]]
Upon the Autobots' eventual completion of Metroplex, the city-bot was dispatched on his first mission to aid Superion and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] in battle against their Decepticon foes. The villains were soon defeated, but as the Autobots stood victorious on a cliff overlooking the ocean, an explosion from beneath the waves caught their attention. As they watched, the sea parted to reveal Trypticon's towering form, as Megatron ordered him into battle with Metroplex. The two giant robots stared each other down, preparing to clash for the first time... {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

{{note|...but this battle never happened, as a second installment of ''Scramble City'' was never produced.}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
[[Image:Trypticon and company.jpg|right|220px|thumb|Trypticon's audition for the lead role in ''Jurassic Park'' was foiled when Full-Tilt ran over the cameraman.]]
On a bright and sunny day in the year 2010, the [[Autobot]]s invited a group of [[human]] families to come take a tour of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. They were all very impressed and everything was going great... until Trypticon attacked. Preoccupied with keeping everyone inside him from dying, Metroplex was left to take all of Trypticon's attacks on the chin, including his Dual Plasma Cannons and Dino-Head Attack. With [[Scamper]] quickly taken out by [[Full-Tilt]], it looked as though Metroplex would be felled by a blast from the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt tank]].

Luckily, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] deployed [[Six-Gun]] just in time. Six-Gun took out Full-Tilt and then proceeded to turn the Brunt tank around on Trypticon, blasting the Decepticon with his own drone. The blast destroyed Trypticon's head controls, forcing [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to call a retreat. With the day won, Metroplex returned to city mode. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #3}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
[[Image:Trypticon great war.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Now with iPod docking ports as well.]]
After kidnapping the scientist [[Doctor Dalton]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] forced him to upgrade a number of his Decepticons, including Trypticon. With Dalton's upgrade, Trypticon became able to link up with [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] in base mode, enhancing their power. This new ability spelled trouble for the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], who barely managed to escape their encounter with the upgraded Trypticon and rescue Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

In 2011, as part of his massive assault to retake [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] unleashed Trypticon on Metroplex, the battle thoroughly occupying the [[Earth]] forces of the Autobots, keeping them from coming to Cybertron's defense. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Trypticon rope bridge.jpg|right|215px|thumb|D'OH!]]
Trypticon continued serving the [[Decepticon]]s into the year 2011, acting under the command of the leader of the Decepticons' Earth-based unit, [[Sixshot]]. However, when the Decepticons renewed hostilities against the Autobots, Trypticon's first foray into battle was not an impressive one, as he menaced Daniel Witwicky and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] amidst the mountains close to Autobot City. The two youths tricked the giant Decepticon into walking onto a rickety rope bridge, which subsequently buckled under his weight and dumped him into a ravine. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

In battle station mode, Trypticon was later rolled into action with Sixshot at the controls. He attacked an oil refinery in order to draw out Metroplex, who was then disabled by the Decepticons' newest weapon, the electromagnetic [[Madmachine]]. Seeking to learn the secret of the Madmachine, [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] later infiltrated Trypticon and discovered that the robot was being controlled from Chaar by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[Image:Trypticon vs headmasters.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Nipple rocket! FIRE!]]
A little later, Trypticon was commandeered by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and Scourge to help them take down a mysterious blackmailer who was extorting energy from countries all around the world. Trypticon arrived in [[Tokyo]] in the midst of a battle between the blackmailer and [[Raiden]], and began attacking Raiden when the Autobot combiner opened fire on him. The Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] soon arrived to occupy Trypticon's attention, forcing Cyclonus and Scourge to bail out of the giant. Everyone wound up dogpiling on the blackmailer, but the joke was on Cyclonus and Scourge, as it turned out it was their own superior officer, Sixshot, carrying out a secret mission from Galvatron. The two Decepticons fled, leaving the badly damaged Trypticon behind. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

Trypticon was recovered and repaired in time to help Sixshot prevent the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s from aiding a team of Autobots imperiled on Mars. When Metroplex attempted to stop the six-changer's interference, Trypticon came stomping onto the scene, headbutted him, and pushed him back with a barrage of laser fire. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} Later, Galvatron rendezvoused with Sixshot at Trypticon before attempting to thwart the Autobots' attempt to lend aid to the troubled planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

When Sixshot mobilized the Decepticons for a series of major attacks across the Earth, Trypticon accompanied him for his approach on Autobot City. When Metroplex chased after Sixshot, Trypticon charged into action and began grappling with Metroplex, freeing up Sixshot to duel, and ultimately kill, Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Not long after, Trypticon attacked Autobot City again when Spike was in the middle of explaining to the Autobots that he had deduced the Decepticons' current plan involving the [[Pacific Ring of Fire]]. Metroplex quickly engaged his perennial foe, but when Sixshot arrived, Metroplex focused his attentions on the six-changer, seeking revenge for the death of Ultra Magnus. Spike attempted to shout a warning to Metroplex as Trypticon jumped him from behind, but it came too late. Metroplex was at the saurian city's mercy until [[Suiken]] joined the fight and helped tear Trypticon away from him. Trypticon was then sent fleeing under a barrage of combined firepower from Metroplex and Suiken. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

=====''Zone''=====
[[Image:TrypticonZone1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Master of subtlety.]]
Years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violen Jiger]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Trypticon was enlisted as his "Saurian General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Now wielding a club and shield and breathing fire, he was also apparently shrunken, as he was shown to be around the same size as the [[Combiner|combiners]] that made up most of the Demon Generals' ranks. The generals were charged with acquiring the two objects needed for Violen Jiger's ultimate goal: the Autobot super-fuel [[Energon Z]], and the enigmatic, life-giving energy source, the [[Zodiac]].

{{note|By the time of ''Zone'', Japanese cartoon continuity had already branched off in two similar but distinct directions a few years beforehand. One branch was depicted in the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' and ''Zone'' animated series, while the other was told through their respective [[manga]] and [[Story page|story pages]] as published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. As such, there are two discreet versions of the ''Zone'' story that both spin out of the cartoon timeline, detailed individually below.}}

======''Zone'' cartoon======
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daisuke Gōri]] (Japanese)

After several of the Demon Generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from the planet [[Micro|Zone]], they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Predaking]] and [[King Poseidon]]. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the Zodiac. Trypticon began tearing through China, smashing the Great Wall and breathing fire on the counterattacking military force.

[[Image:Energonzbeam.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"This campaign sucks. Black dragons spit acid, not fire."]]
A team of Autobot Micromasters soon arrived on the planet to battle the generals at Mount Fuji, and though their attacks had no effect on Trypticon, they struggled on until the [[Powered Master|Powered Masters]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] arrived to take up the fight. Sonic Bomber kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac, and when he re-emerged with the ancient energy source in hand, the furious Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z directly at him. Dai Atlas was knocked off his feet, and Trypticon prepared to deliver another blast, but Sonic Bomber leapt in front of the beam and took the blast to save his commander. With the two Autobots now lying right in front of him, Trypticon readied another Energon Z blast, but just as he unleashed it, Dai Atlas held the Zodiac aloft. When the Energon Z and Zodiac interacted, the Zodiac's true power was unleashed, transforming Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber into powerful "Zone Mode" battle stations. Using the mighty firepower of their new modes, the Powered Masters destroyed Trypticon and the other generals in one colossal blast. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

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======''Zone'' comic and story pages======
[[Image:Starsaber vs trypticon zone.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

Aquatic General [[King Poseidon]] and Saurian General Trypticon were the next to attack, attempting to conquer the oceanic world of [[Wall]]. They bested [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]], but were eventually defeated by the efforts of [[Overload (G1)|Overload]], [[Erector]], [[Missile Bull]] and [[Skywave]] commanding the [[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]], [[Jet Patrol Team]] and [[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]]. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 3}}

After a group of the generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from planet Zone, they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, Predaking, Devastator and King Poseidon. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the second component required for the [[Zodiac]]. Trypticon tore through France before converging on Mount Fuji with the other generals, where they easily batted around the Micromasters that arrived to confront them. When the Powered Masters Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrived, the Micromasters kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac. Dai Atlas soon emerged victorious, and everyone began grappling over the Zodiac, at which point Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z from the capsule in his mouth. Timing things just right, Dai Atlas held up the Zodiac so that the Energon Z beam would hit it, unlocking its true power. Suffused with the power of the Zodiac, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber transformed into powerful new "Zone Mode" battle stations and sent the Decepticons fleeing under a barrage of awesome firepower. {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Zone}}

Trypticon later returned for a rematch with the Powered Masters, engaging them in battle alongside [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. The two heroes were not particularly impressed, and they strove to end the fight in less than eight seconds. True to their word, they beat the snot out of them; Sonic Bomber besting Trypticon with his "Meteor Drop" attack. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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[[Image:MarvelUS27 DinobotsVsTrypticon.JPG|left|275px|thumb|Probably the least embarrassing explanation for a burning sensation in your gonads.]]
When [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] informed Decepticon Earth commander [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] of his decision to shut down the [[space bridge]] in order to conserve energy, Shockwave petitioned him for one last use of the bridge, that they might send the deadliest Decepticon on Cybertron to attack the Ark and take its energy resources for their own. Ratbat agreed, and dispatched Trypticon into the forests of [[Oregon]], where he was spotted by paleontology student [[Rachel Becker]] as he stomped his way toward the Ark. Preferring to face his enemies head-on rather than ambush them, Trypticon launched a [[sonic-scrambler mine]] at the Ark to draw a small investigative team of Autobots out, then promptly began bombarding them with firepower in his battle station mode. With more sonic-scrambler mines carpeting the cave entrance to the Ark in order to prevent any Autobot reinforcements coming to the aid of the team, the Autobots seemed doomed, until Trypticon's attention was drawn by his minion, [[Wipe-Out]]. Trypticon's flunky had captured Rachel Becker and brought her to Trypticon to be destroyed, and Trypticon transformed back into his saurian mode, intrigued at the prospect of eliminating an organic. Suddenly, Trypticon was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], who had been observing the conflict from afar and sought to protect the human. The other Dinobots soon came stampeding into battle, and Trypticon was able to hold his own against all five of them; indeed, he might have even won the battle, had the miserly Ratbat not contacted him to inform him that he had exceeded his allotted energy expenditure for the mission. The space bridge materialized next to Trypticon, and he broke off the fight, calmly obeying Ratbat's orders to return to Cybertron. The "defeat" of Trypticon promptly led to Grimlock being elected Autobot leader. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

''Much later, when the Autobot mad scientist [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] threatened Cybertron with his [[zombie]] army, only a small band of Autobots, along with the Decepticon [[Flywheels]], stood against him. Ultra Magnus made the questionable decision to allow Flywheels to break off from the group to seek reinforcements, but the Autobots need not have worried: the [[Duocon]] returned with Trypticon, who smashed his way into Flame's underground base and delighted in stomping zombies underfoot. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}''

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Decepticonsdarkages.jpg|rigfht|225px|thumb|It is entirely possible he speaks with a British [[accents|accent]].]]
Trypticon began life as an early Decepticon military project, the prototype iteration of which was put to use in the Decepticons' initial wave of attacks after the death of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] around eight million years ago. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}}

Trypticon himself was created when the prototype was upgraded during the period of time known as the "Dark Ages", between seven-and-a-half and six-and-a-half million years ago. Investigating reports that merely described a "mobile command base," [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] led a team of Autobots to [[Praetorus Wharf]] in search of this mysterious new Decepticon weapon, and they wound up driving ''onto'' the camouflaged structure before they even knew it. Just as they realized their mistake, the base transformed into a towering saurian robot mode and introduced itself as Trypticon, delighted at the prospect of a full-fledged trial run of its/his destructive capabilities. {{storylink|Devastation (Dreamwave)|Devastation}} Prowl's Autobots threw everything they had at Trypticon, but even with the aid of some reinforcements led by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], they proved unable even to slow down the titan. They would surely have been destroyed had Trypticon not been called away to the [[Neutral Territories]] to aid his leader, Shockwave, who had been attacked by the minions of the mysterious [[The Fallen|Fallen]]. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} Trypticon later joined an allied team of Decepticons and Autobots in battling the Fallen's minions in [[Protihex]], where he put his impressive firepower to use trying to blast open the door to the [[Well of All Sparks]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Despite his effectiveness as a killing machine and his delight in the use of his powers in his formative years, Trypticon came to doubt the Decepticon cause and hate his role in it. He thinks that his abilities will eventually merit his taking leadership of the Decepticons, though he accepts this with the same resignation as the rest of his futile existence. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye}}

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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
As part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Trypticon defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] strike force. A massive barrage from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and G.I. Joe's artillery almost felled the giant Decepticon.

Later, a vision of the future witnessed by a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-empowered [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] showed Trypticon fighting alongside [[Iron Klaw]] against [[Sgt. Savage]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
During the war on Cybertron at some point in the past, Trypticon was waiting for the Autobots to advance right into his arms. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] suspected a trap, and ordered his troops to retreat instead. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|All Hail Megatron #13}}

Hundreds of years ago, Trypticon fought [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] alongside Megatron, Optimus Prime, and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} He survived the battle and was part of a major Decepticon counter-offensive on what was left of Cybertron shortly thereafter, led by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

===''Alternity''===
Trypticon was one of several powerful opponents chosen by a higher-dimensional [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] in a "game full of death and suffering", to go against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|avatar]]. {{storylink|To Die Game!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
As [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] searched for the truth behind [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Sixshot]] and Trypticon attacked the planet Earth. They were defeated and all the prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:''

Right when the Autobots had found the drill they were looking for in the Karzite mines, Trypticon gave out a loud roar. Rodimus Prime recognized it, but he was in disbelief about what it meant. Sure enough, Trypticon fell from the sky, stating that the Autobots were too late. The city/dinosaur Depecticon announced that he was going to crush all of the Autobots now that they had nowhere to run. Surprisingly, the Autobots managed to take down Trypticon, who cried out and announced his being hurt. Threatening the Autobots that he would not forget his defeat and warned them that he would crush them some day, Trypticon fled back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
{{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Trypticon''' (Decepticon City, 1986/1987) [[Image:Trypticon_g1_toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't mention the training wheels on the tail—he embarrasses easily.]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 loading ramps, 2 blaster stands, single-barreled blaster, double-barreled blaster, 2 scanners, 2 connectors, large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt, Full-Tilt's electro-disruptor.

:Trypticon transforms from a large grey, teal and purple dinosaur into a city mode, and from there into a mobile battle station. Trypticon shares many similarities with his contemporary and counterpart, Metroplex; he is accompanied by an entourage of smaller robots—the transforming mini-car, Full-Tilt, who forms Trypticon's chest plate, and the tank, Brunt, who is formed from several of his city-mode towers and other pieces—and in city mode, he can link up with the leaders of the 1986 Decepticon [[combiner]] teams, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], when they are in their base forms. Unlike Metroplex's combiner connections, the two leaders don't plug directly into Trypticon, instead linking up to him through two smaller "connector" pieces.

:Trypticon is further distinguished from Metroplex by the inclusion of several electronic gimmicks. Two C-size batteries power the electronics of Trypticon himself, allowing him to walk in dinosaur mode and causing his scanners and blasters to spin in city and battle station mode, respectively. Trypticon's main laser cannon (also part of Brunt) is powered by an AA battery and flashes orange.

:This mold was later [[retool]]ed, [[redeco]]ed, and sold with fewer accessories as ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]].

:Like a fair number of larger Generation 1 toys, Trypticon was never released in the UK.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Trypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''

===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Trypticon_jr_toy.jpg|300px|right|thumb|Mintasaurus]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 4 ramps, laser cannon

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Trypticon shrinks and simplifies the original toy, omitting the electronics, the battle station mode and... the color purple.
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===Classics===
[[Image:Classics Trypticon LOC.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Trypticon not want cuddles! Trypticon want smash Metroplex!]]
*'''Trypticon''' (Legends, 2006)
:The ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' version of Trypticon is a [[redeco]] of [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], transforming into a three-headed robotic dragon. This redeco is awesome and [http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=10656 needs cuddles].

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Grrr]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsTrypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''
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===Device Label===
[[Image:Device Label Trypticon.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Mouseasaurus.]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (2009)

: Takara's ''[[Device Label]]'' Trypticon transforms from a working USB laser mouse into a mechanoid raptor. He shares this mold with ''Device Label'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Device Label|Grimlock]].

: According to early BigBadToyStore solicitations, the mice were originally supposed to depict Generation 1 [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] and ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

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==Merchandise==

===Transformers Gum===
[[Image:Tfgum_trypticon.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Dinosauruer''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt

:A snap-together model kit of Trypticon was available as part of the fifth wave of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' [[candy toy]] series. A much-shrunken version of the original Trypticon toy, the kit transforms into something of a cross between city and battle station modes, and still comes with all the pieces to make Brunt, as well as a non-transforming car-mode Full-Tilt. Moulded from black, red and grey plastic, Trypticon has stickers for detail rather than paint operations, and came with a stick of gum.

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===Transformers Caramel===
[[Image:Trypticon_keshigomu.jpg|right|thumb|300p|Now Selling "Green Slime Godzilla and Japanese shrine Trypticon]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
:A small soft-rubber ''keshigomu'' figurine of Trypticon, similar to the larger [[Decoy]]s, was released as part of Kabaya's line of ''[[Transformers Caramel]]'' candy toys. Like all the figures from the 1986 range, he came [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], and was available in a variety of pearlescent colors including red, yellow, blue and green. As the name of the series suggests, he came with a piece of caramel candy.

===Forms Robo===
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1987)
:Trypticon was also among the ten characters who were rendered as part of the ''[[Forms Robo]]'' line of oversized ''keshigomu'' figures. He came individually packaged in a plastic baggie, and was available in red, yellow, green or blue. Of the various ''Forms Robo'' figures, Trypticon is easily one of the hardest to find, rarely appearing on the secondary market.
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===MyClone===
[[Image:Trypticon_myclone.jpg|right|thumb|All together now: Awwwwwwww!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (MyClone, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''MTF018'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
:The Trypticon [[MyClone]] is the adorablest little killer dinosaur you ever did see. He was released in the third wave of the ''MyClone'' line of Transformers PVC figures, and comes with a hexagonal teal display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.
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==Notes==
[[Image:G1TrypticonHeadCompare.jpg|thumb|200px|"[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" model on top, "[[Call of the Primitives]]" model on the bottom.]]

*Trypticon's original [[Tech Spec]]s give him a very high rank of 9, but he is never portrayed as somebody so far up in the Decepticon power structure.

*For some reason, Trypticon's [[character model]] has no eyes. Or to be more specific, the panels on his faceted head which are intended to be his eyes aren't colored, and are consistently left this way for all of his animated appearances using this model. His [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe]] profile, meanwhile, ''does'' color the eyes, while in "Scramble City", he is animated with an entirely different model that features eyes, and also has the orange panel on his nose closed, as opposed to open and exposing the gun within, as it is rendered in both the cartoon series and Marvel comic.

*A [[wikipedia:triptych|triptych]] is an artifact divided into two hinged, three folding segments. Though obscure, this is an appropriate name for Trypticon, because his tyrannosaur mode ''is'' a triptych, unfolding into three segments when it transforms into city or battle station modes. See, parents, this stuff is educational too!

*''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]'s color scheme is based on Trypticon. His character [[bio]] (and this was when Grimlock was an idiot) had Trypticon's Marvel Generation 1 motto: "Total victory requires total destruction."

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Dinosaurer''' (beast mode, ダイナザウラー ''Dainozaurā''), '''Dinobase''' (city mode, ダイノベース ''Dainobēsu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Triptikon'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bàu-lúng Jīn-gāng''' (Taiwan, 暴龍金剛, "Tyrannosaurus [[Wikipedia:Vajra|Vajra]]"), '''Tiejia Long''' (China, 铁甲龙, "Armor Dino")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Tripticão'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Trypticon Trypticon's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Trypticon (G1)

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:''Trypticon is a [[Decepticon]] [[City-bot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:TrypticonGenerations1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"After G1, he was cast as the Red Ranger's T-Rex on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers."]]
Enormous in both size and power, '''Trypticon''' is an unstoppable engine of destruction. This might please him greatly... were he not bored by the entire prospect. He cares little for his role as the ultimate Decepticon weapon and finds war to be a waste of effort. He doesn't like his comrades, he absolutely ''hates'' the Autobots, and—though he hides it well—he loathes himself most of all.

Trypticon transforms to a massive artillery platform that can devastate Autobot forces, who often must resort to trickery to defeat him. The only Autobot who can go toe-to-toe with him is [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], and there is a great rivalry between the two cities.

Trypticon is sometimes accompanied by one or more smaller robots, such as the autonomous [[Wipe-Out]] and the drones [[Full-Tilt]] and [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt]].

He hates [[water]] more than any other substance in the universe, mostly because he gets thrown into it a lot.

{{quote|Trypticon cannot be stopped! Nothing can stand in my way!|Trypticon|"[[The Ultimate Weapon]]"}}

{{note|Trypticon's size and personality vary greatly between continuities, though most agree with—or at least do not contradict—the profile-based outline given here. The most notable exceptions are the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], where his size is only 2 to 3 times that of a typical Transformer, and the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Sunbow cartoon]], where his personality is that of a dimwitted, destructive animal.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Garrett]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese), [[Héctor Vieyra]] (Latin American)
[[Image:Ff0d5 trypticon destroys ark.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Brokeback Mountain.]]
In the year 2005, the allied forces of the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]] sought to attack the Autobots on two fronts, besieging them on both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and [[Earth]]. To counter the power of the Autobots' transforming Earth city, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the Decepticons arranged for the construction of a transforming city-robot of their own: Trypticon. Surreptitiously created out of a human city by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], Trypticon sent his former human occupants running for their lives as their city shifted and changed into the giant saurian robot. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:FFOD5 Metroplex Trypticon.JPG|right|225px|thumb|Clash of the Badly-Animated Titans.]]
Trypticon's first mission was to attack [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], but he met resistance in the form of a team of [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]]. Trypticon knocked [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] out of the sky and shrugged off the other Autobots' attacks from below (stepping on [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] in the process) before battling his way through a barrage of cannon fire and leveling Autobot Headquarters. With this task complete, Trypticon turned his attention to [[Autobot City]] and Metroplex, and the giant Autobot could not have been at a worse disadvantage, being as he was without his [[Transformation cog|transforming cog]] and thus unable to transform to robot mode. Thankfully, the timely arrival of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] with the cog allowed Metroplex to transform and gain the upper hand in the battle. Trypticon was seized by the Autobot giant and hurled over the horizon, crashing into the Pacific Ocean. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

While the Autobots believed that Trypticon had been destroyed, the dinosaur Decepticon had, in fact, retreated to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] to recuperate. In 2006, in the midst of his recovery, Trypticon was approached by Decepticon wheeler-dealer [[Octane]], who talked him into relocating with him to the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. There, Octane made a deal with ruler [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]]: In exchange for the Carbombya's high-grade oil, he and Trypticon would guard the country's coasts.

[[Image:Thiefinthenight trypticon steals kremlin.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Tom Clancy's latest novel: "Red Rex Rising."]] The deal soured when Fakkadi discovered how ridiculously energy-consumptive Trypticon was, and things came to a head when the dull-witted dino mistook a passing cruise ship for an invader and fired on it. Octane turned things around by arranging to have Trypticon use his prodigious size and strength to steal famous monuments for Fakkadi from around the world. Initially, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] were suspected of the thefts, but [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] linked the crime back to Trypticon, and the Decepticon was caught in the act stealing the Eiffel Tower. Trypticon was able to beat the Autobots back, and he then attempted to steal the Kremlin, but was ambushed by the waiting Autobot forces and stopped from doing so. With help from Fakkadi, the Autobots tracked the Decepticons back to Carbombya, where Metroplex engaged Trypticon in battle once more and hurled him into the ocean again. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

Trypticon survived his dunking and was relocated to [[Chaar]], where he was the victim of the ghost of deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] when the spirit made a pact with [[Unicron]] to restore his body. In exchange for this boon, the dark god charged Starscream with fulfilling three tasks, beginning with the theft of Metroplex's eyes to replace Unicron's own. One of Metroplex's eyes was destroyed in the attempted theft, necessitating that Starscream and his pawn, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], steal one of Trypticon's instead. Next, Starscream possessed Trypticon's body itself and brought the giant Decepticon to Unicron so that his transforming cog could be transplanted into Unicron's head. The final task was to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron itself, so the planet could become his new body, but as Starscream used Trypticon's possessed body to complete the connections, [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and the [[Battlecharger]]s disabled the city-bot from within, rendering him unable to complete the task. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Ultimateweapon metroplex hefts trypticon.jpg|right|215px|thumb|Shows that you can have sexy mudwrestling ''or'' giant robots, but not sexy, mudwrestling giant robots.]]
Later, after [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stole Metroplex's transforming cog, Galvatron dispatched Trypticon to destroy the defenseless city. Confident of victory, Trypticon decided to have some fun, eating a naval destroyer and menacing the passengers of a train. However, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] flew into Trypticon through his mouth, firing all the while, giving the giant dinosaur [[Furmanism|the worst case of indigestion he'd ever had]]. Trypticon was forced to retreat, and he transformed back into city mode so that human repairmen recruited by the Decepticons(?!) could fix his damaged innards. As it turned out, the "repairmen" were Autobot allies [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and his son [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], who stole Trypticon's own transforming cog, intending to use it on Metroplex. This forced the Decepticons to use Metroplex's transforming cog on Trypticon, but neither cog worked particularly well in either of the two robots, and as they battled, they wound up partially transforming, shifting and stalling at various stages between their modes. At first, Trypticon had the advantage in the battle and threw Metroplex into a lake, but eventually, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] arrived to align the Decepticon cog properly within Metroplex, allowing the Autobot to transform fully. Metroplex regained the initiative, and yet again treated Trypticon to another dunking, hurling him even deeper into the lake, where he sank. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[Image:Calloftheprimitives trypticon vs tornedron.jpg|left|210px|thumb|"Father... pleeease! Heelp meeee!"]]
Trypticon later participated in a battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, during which he and all the other "[[Primitive]]" animal-based Transformers present were telepathically contacted by the being known as the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]]. Trypticon served as a transport that carried the Primitives to the dead world at the center of the universe from which the summons came, but was too large to enter the cavern in which the Oracle resided, and so he stood sentinel outside while the others ventured in. As the Oracle explained that he had summoned them to battle the energy-draining creature known as [[Tornedron]], Trypticon was the first to face off with the parasite, which took the form of a dragon and sucked his energy dry. Trypticon's lifeless husk toppled over on top of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], leading all the other Primitives to believe him destroyed, but the Dinobot leader had, in fact, survived, and was finally the one to defeat Tornedron and restore Trypticon and all the others drained by him. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the American animated series covered above occur in Japanese continuity, with the primary difference between the two being that the events of season three (set in 2006 in America) are pushed back to 2010 in the Japanese dub. As far as Trypticon is concerned, however, there is one much larger, contradictory fact established by the additional stories told in various Japanese media: In this continuity, Trypticon was actually built in the 1980s, and then ''re''built during the events of "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".}}

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[Image:Trypticon metroplex hologram.jpg|right|180px|thumb|This week on ''Robote''—oh, sorry, wrong anime.]]
In the late 1980s, while the [[Autobot]]s were in the process of constructing Metroplex, the Decepticons were just as busy creating a counter in the form of Trypticon. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] were able to sneak past the Autobots' security and spy on the construction on Metroplex, acquiring the information that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] needed to discover whether or not Metroplex was strong enough to stand up to Trypticon. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Trypticon was completed soon after and was unleashed by the Decepticons on an island utopia that they had conquered. The Autobots were quick to arrive, but Trypticon made short work of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and would have killed him if not for the sudden appearance of Metroplex. An over-eager Trypticon dove head-first at his rival, only to phase right through him and fall off a cliff and into the ocean. As it turned out, it was a hologram created by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and magnified by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #6}}

=====Scramble City=====
[[Image:Trypticon scramblecity alternate design.jpg|left|180px|thumb|UP FROM THE DEPTHS, THIRTY STORIES HIGH! BREATHING FIRE, HIS HEAD IN THE SKY!]]
Upon the Autobots' eventual completion of Metroplex, the city-bot was dispatched on his first mission to aid Superion and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] in battle against their Decepticon foes. The villains were soon defeated, but as the Autobots stood victorious on a cliff overlooking the ocean, an explosion from beneath the waves caught their attention. As they watched, the sea parted to reveal Trypticon's towering form, as Megatron ordered him into battle with Metroplex. The two giant robots stared each other down, preparing to clash for the first time... {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

{{note|...but this battle never happened, as a second installment of ''Scramble City'' was never produced.}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
[[Image:Trypticon and company.jpg|right|220px|thumb|Trypticon's audition for the lead role in ''Jurassic Park'' was foiled when Full-Tilt ran over the cameraman.]]
On a bright and sunny day in the year 2010, the [[Autobot]]s invited a group of [[human]] families to come take a tour of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. They were all very impressed and everything was going great... until Trypticon attacked. Preoccupied with keeping everyone inside him from dying, Metroplex was left to take all of Trypticon's attacks on the chin, including his Dual Plasma Cannons and Dino-Head Attack. With [[Scamper]] quickly taken out by [[Full-Tilt]], it looked as though Metroplex would be felled by a blast from the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt tank]].

Luckily, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] deployed [[Six-Gun]] just in time. Six-Gun took out Full-Tilt and then proceeded to turn the Brunt tank around on Trypticon, blasting the Decepticon with his own drone. The blast destroyed Trypticon's head controls, forcing [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to call a retreat. With the day won, Metroplex returned to city mode. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #3}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
[[Image:Trypticon great war.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Now with iPod docking ports as well.]]
After kidnapping the scientist [[Doctor Dalton]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] forced him to upgrade a number of his Decepticons, including Trypticon. With Dalton's upgrade, Trypticon became able to link up with [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] in base mode, enhancing their power. This new ability spelled trouble for the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], who barely managed to escape their encounter with the upgraded Trypticon and rescue Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

In 2011, as part of his massive assault to retake [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] unleashed Trypticon on Metroplex, the battle thoroughly occupying the [[Earth]] forces of the Autobots, keeping them from coming to Cybertron's defense. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Trypticon rope bridge.jpg|right|215px|thumb|D'OH!]]
Trypticon continued serving the [[Decepticon]]s into the year 2011, acting under the command of the leader of the Decepticons' Earth-based unit, [[Sixshot]]. However, when the Decepticons renewed hostilities against the Autobots, Trypticon's first foray into battle was not an impressive one, as he menaced Daniel Witwicky and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] amidst the mountains close to Autobot City. The two youths tricked the giant Decepticon into walking onto a rickety rope bridge, which subsequently buckled under his weight and dumped him into a ravine. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

In battle station mode, Trypticon was later rolled into action with Sixshot at the controls. He attacked an oil refinery in order to draw out Metroplex, who was then disabled by the Decepticons' newest weapon, the electromagnetic [[Madmachine]]. Seeking to learn the secret of the Madmachine, [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] later infiltrated Trypticon and discovered that the robot was being controlled from Chaar by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[Image:Trypticon vs headmasters.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Nipple rocket! FIRE!]]
A little later, Trypticon was commandeered by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and Scourge to help them take down a mysterious blackmailer who was extorting energy from countries all around the world. Trypticon arrived in [[Tokyo]] in the midst of a battle between the blackmailer and [[Raiden]], and began attacking Raiden when the Autobot combiner opened fire on him. The Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] soon arrived to occupy Trypticon's attention, forcing Cyclonus and Scourge to bail out of the giant. Everyone wound up dogpiling on the blackmailer, but the joke was on Cyclonus and Scourge, as it turned out it was their own superior officer, Sixshot, carrying out a secret mission from Galvatron. The two Decepticons fled, leaving the badly damaged Trypticon behind. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

Trypticon was recovered and repaired in time to help Sixshot prevent the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s from aiding a team of Autobots imperiled on Mars. When Metroplex attempted to stop the six-changer's interference, Trypticon came stomping onto the scene, headbutted him, and pushed him back with a barrage of laser fire. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} Later, Galvatron rendezvoused with Sixshot at Trypticon before attempting to thwart the Autobots' attempt to lend aid to the troubled planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

When Sixshot mobilized the Decepticons for a series of major attacks across the Earth, Trypticon accompanied him for his approach on Autobot City. When Metroplex chased after Sixshot, Trypticon charged into action and began grappling with Metroplex, freeing up Sixshot to duel, and ultimately kill, Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Not long after, Trypticon attacked Autobot City again when Spike was in the middle of explaining to the Autobots that he had deduced the Decepticons' current plan involving the [[Pacific Ring of Fire]]. Metroplex quickly engaged his perennial foe, but when Sixshot arrived, Metroplex focused his attentions on the six-changer, seeking revenge for the death of Ultra Magnus. Spike attempted to shout a warning to Metroplex as Trypticon jumped him from behind, but it came too late. Metroplex was at the saurian city's mercy until [[Suiken]] joined the fight and helped tear Trypticon away from him. Trypticon was then sent fleeing under a barrage of combined firepower from Metroplex and Suiken. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

=====''Zone''=====
[[Image:TrypticonZone1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Master of subtlety.]]
Years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violen Jiger]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Trypticon was enlisted as his "Saurian General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Now wielding a club and shield and breathing fire, he was also apparently shrunken, as he was shown to be around the same size as the [[Combiner|combiners]] that made up most of the Demon Generals' ranks. The generals were charged with acquiring the two objects needed for Violen Jiger's ultimate goal: the Autobot super-fuel [[Energon Z]], and the enigmatic, life-giving energy source, the [[Zodiac]].

{{note|By the time of ''Zone'', Japanese cartoon continuity had already branched off in two similar but distinct directions a few years beforehand. One branch was depicted in the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' and ''Zone'' animated series, while the other was told through their respective [[manga]] and [[Story page|story pages]] as published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. As such, there are two discreet versions of the ''Zone'' story that both spin out of the cartoon timeline, detailed individually below.}}

======''Zone'' cartoon======
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daisuke Gōri]] (Japanese)

After several of the Demon Generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from the planet [[Micro|Zone]], they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Predaking]] and [[King Poseidon]]. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the Zodiac. Trypticon began tearing through China, smashing the Great Wall and breathing fire on the counterattacking military force.

[[Image:Energonzbeam.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"This campaign sucks. Black dragons spit acid, not fire."]]
A team of Autobot Micromasters soon arrived on the planet to battle the generals at Mount Fuji, and though their attacks had no effect on Trypticon, they struggled on until the [[Powered Master|Powered Masters]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] arrived to take up the fight. Sonic Bomber kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac, and when he re-emerged with the ancient energy source in hand, the furious Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z directly at him. Dai Atlas was knocked off his feet, and Trypticon prepared to deliver another blast, but Sonic Bomber leapt in front of the beam and took the blast to save his commander. With the two Autobots now lying right in front of him, Trypticon readied another Energon Z blast, but just as he unleashed it, Dai Atlas held the Zodiac aloft. When the Energon Z and Zodiac interacted, the Zodiac's true power was unleashed, transforming Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber into powerful "Zone Mode" battle stations. Using the mighty firepower of their new modes, the Powered Masters destroyed Trypticon and the other generals in one colossal blast. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

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======''Zone'' comic and story pages======
[[Image:Starsaber vs trypticon zone.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

Aquatic General [[King Poseidon]] and Saurian General Trypticon were the next to attack, attempting to conquer the oceanic world of [[Wall]]. They bested [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]], but were eventually defeated by the efforts of [[Overload (G1)|Overload]], [[Erector]], [[Missile Bull]] and [[Skywave]] commanding the [[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]], [[Jet Patrol Team]] and [[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]]. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 3}}

After a group of the generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from planet Zone, they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, Predaking, Devastator and King Poseidon. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the second component required for the [[Zodiac]]. Trypticon tore through France before converging on Mount Fuji with the other generals, where they easily batted around the Micromasters that arrived to confront them. When the Powered Masters Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrived, the Micromasters kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac. Dai Atlas soon emerged victorious, and everyone began grappling over the Zodiac, at which point Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z from the capsule in his mouth. Timing things just right, Dai Atlas held up the Zodiac so that the Energon Z beam would hit it, unlocking its true power. Suffused with the power of the Zodiac, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber transformed into powerful new "Zone Mode" battle stations and sent the Decepticons fleeing under a barrage of awesome firepower. {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Zone}}

Trypticon later returned for a rematch with the Powered Masters, engaging them in battle alongside [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. The two heroes were not particularly impressed, and they strove to end the fight in less than eight seconds. True to their word, they beat the snot out of them; Sonic Bomber besting Trypticon with his "Meteor Drop" attack. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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[[Image:MarvelUS27 DinobotsVsTrypticon.JPG|left|275px|thumb|Probably the least embarrassing explanation for a burning sensation in your gonads.]]
When [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] informed Decepticon Earth commander [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] of his decision to shut down the [[space bridge]] in order to conserve energy, Shockwave petitioned him for one last use of the bridge, that they might send the deadliest Decepticon on Cybertron to attack the Ark and take its energy resources for their own. Ratbat agreed, and dispatched Trypticon into the forests of [[Oregon]], where he was spotted by paleontology student [[Rachel Becker]] as he stomped his way toward the Ark. Preferring to face his enemies head-on rather than ambush them, Trypticon launched a [[sonic-scrambler mine]] at the Ark to draw a small investigative team of Autobots out, then promptly began bombarding them with firepower in his battle station mode. With more sonic-scrambler mines carpeting the cave entrance to the Ark in order to prevent any Autobot reinforcements coming to the aid of the team, the Autobots seemed doomed, until Trypticon's attention was drawn by his minion, [[Wipe-Out]]. Trypticon's flunky had captured Rachel Becker and brought her to Trypticon to be destroyed, and Trypticon transformed back into his saurian mode, intrigued at the prospect of eliminating an organic. Suddenly, Trypticon was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], who had been observing the conflict from afar and sought to protect the human. The other Dinobots soon came stampeding into battle, and Trypticon was able to hold his own against all five of them; indeed, he might have even won the battle, had the miserly Ratbat not contacted him to inform him that he had exceeded his allotted energy expenditure for the mission. The space bridge materialized next to Trypticon, and he broke off the fight, calmly obeying Ratbat's orders to return to Cybertron. The "defeat" of Trypticon promptly led to Grimlock being elected Autobot leader. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

''Much later, when the Autobot mad scientist [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] threatened Cybertron with his [[zombie]] army, only a small band of Autobots, along with the Decepticon [[Flywheels]], stood against him. Ultra Magnus made the questionable decision to allow Flywheels to break off from the group to seek reinforcements, but the Autobots need not have worried: the [[Duocon]] returned with Trypticon, who smashed his way into Flame's underground base and delighted in stomping zombies underfoot. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}''

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Decepticonsdarkages.jpg|rigfht|225px|thumb|It is entirely possible he speaks with a British [[accents|accent]].]]
Trypticon began life as an early Decepticon military project, the prototype iteration of which was put to use in the Decepticons' initial wave of attacks after the death of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] around eight million years ago. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}}

Trypticon himself was created when the prototype was upgraded during the period of time known as the "Dark Ages", between seven-and-a-half and six-and-a-half million years ago. Investigating reports that merely described a "mobile command base," [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] led a team of Autobots to [[Praetorus Wharf]] in search of this mysterious new Decepticon weapon, and they wound up driving ''onto'' the camouflaged structure before they even knew it. Just as they realized their mistake, the base transformed into a towering saurian robot mode and introduced itself as Trypticon, delighted at the prospect of a full-fledged trial run of its/his destructive capabilities. {{storylink|Devastation (Dreamwave)|Devastation}} Prowl's Autobots threw everything they had at Trypticon, but even with the aid of some reinforcements led by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], they proved unable even to slow down the titan. They would surely have been destroyed had Trypticon not been called away to the [[Neutral Territories]] to aid his leader, Shockwave, who had been attacked by the minions of the mysterious [[The Fallen|Fallen]]. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} Trypticon later joined an allied team of Decepticons and Autobots in battling the Fallen's minions in [[Protihex]], where he put his impressive firepower to use trying to blast open the door to the [[Well of All Sparks]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Despite his effectiveness as a killing machine and his delight in the use of his powers in his formative years, Trypticon came to doubt the Decepticon cause and hate his role in it. He thinks that his abilities will eventually merit his taking leadership of the Decepticons, though he accepts this with the same resignation as the rest of his futile existence. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye}}

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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
As part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Trypticon defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] strike force. A massive barrage from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and G.I. Joe's artillery almost felled the giant Decepticon.

Later, a vision of the future witnessed by a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-empowered [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] showed Trypticon fighting alongside [[Iron Klaw]] against [[Sgt. Savage]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
During the war on Cybertron at some point in the past, Trypticon was waiting for the Autobots to advance right into his arms. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] suspected a trap, and ordered his troops to retreat instead. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|All Hail Megatron #13}}

Hundreds of years ago, Trypticon fought [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] alongside Megatron, Optimus Prime, and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} He survived the battle and was part of a major Decepticon counter-offensive on what was left of Cybertron shortly thereafter, led by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

===''Alternity''===
Trypticon was one of several powerful opponents chosen by a higher-dimensional [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] in a "game full of death and suffering", to go against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|avatar]]. {{storylink|To Die Game!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
As [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] searched for the truth behind [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Sixshot]] and Trypticon attacked the planet Earth. They were defeated and all the prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:''

Right when the Autobots had found the drill they were looking for in the Karzite mines, Trypticon gave out a loud roar. Rodimus Prime recognized it, but he was in disbelief about what it meant. Sure enough, Trypticon fell from the sky, stating that the Autobots were too late. The city/dinosaur Depecticon announced that he was going to crush all of the Autobots now that they had nowhere to run. Surprisingly, the Autobots managed to take down Trypticon, who cried out and announced his being hurt. Threatening the Autobots that he would not forget his defeat and warned them that he would crush them some day, Trypticon fled back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
{{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Trypticon''' (Decepticon City, 1986/1987) [[Image:Trypticon_g1_toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't mention the training wheels on the tail—he embarrasses easily.]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 loading ramps, 2 blaster stands, single-barreled blaster, double-barreled blaster, 2 scanners, 2 connectors, large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt, Full-Tilt's electro-disruptor.

:Trypticon transforms from a large grey, teal and purple dinosaur into a city mode, and from there into a mobile battle station. Trypticon shares many similarities with his contemporary and counterpart, Metroplex; he is accompanied by an entourage of smaller robots—the transforming mini-car, Full-Tilt, who forms Trypticon's chest plate, and the tank, Brunt, who is formed from several of his city-mode towers and other pieces—and in city mode, he can link up with the leaders of the 1986 Decepticon [[combiner]] teams, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], when they are in their base forms. Unlike Metroplex's combiner connections, the two leaders don't plug directly into Trypticon, instead linking up to him through two smaller "connector" pieces.

:Trypticon is further distinguished from Metroplex by the inclusion of several electronic gimmicks. Two C-size batteries power the electronics of Trypticon himself, allowing him to walk in dinosaur mode and causing his scanners and blasters to spin in city and battle station mode, respectively. Trypticon's main laser cannon (also part of Brunt) is powered by an AA battery and flashes orange.

:This mold was later [[retool]]ed, [[redeco]]ed, and sold with fewer accessories as ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]].

:Like a fair number of larger Generation 1 toys, Trypticon was never released in the UK.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Trypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''

===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Trypticon_jr_toy.jpg|300px|right|thumb|Mintasaurus]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 4 ramps, laser cannon

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Trypticon shrinks and simplifies the original toy, omitting the electronics, the battle station mode and... the color purple.
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===Classics===
[[Image:Classics Trypticon LOC.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Trypticon not want cuddles! Trypticon want smash Metroplex!]]
*'''Trypticon''' (Legends, 2006)
:The ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' version of Trypticon is a [[redeco]] of [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], transforming into a three-headed robotic dragon. This redeco is awesome and [http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=10656 needs cuddles].

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Grrr]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsTrypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''
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===Device Label===
[[Image:Device Label Trypticon.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Mouseasaurus.]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (2009)

: Takara's ''[[Device Label]]'' Trypticon transforms from a working USB laser mouse into a mechanoid raptor. He shares this mold with ''Device Label'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Device Label|Grimlock]].

: According to early BigBadToyStore solicitations, the mice were originally supposed to depict Generation 1 [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] and ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

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==Merchandise==

===Transformers Gum===
[[Image:Tfgum_trypticon.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Dinosauruer''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt

:A snap-together model kit of Trypticon was available as part of the fifth wave of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' [[candy toy]] series. A much-shrunken version of the original Trypticon toy, the kit transforms into something of a cross between city and battle station modes, and still comes with all the pieces to make Brunt, as well as a non-transforming car-mode Full-Tilt. Moulded from black, red and grey plastic, Trypticon has stickers for detail rather than paint operations, and came with a stick of gum.

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===Transformers Caramel===
[[Image:Trypticon_keshigomu.jpg|right|thumb|300p]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
:A small soft-rubber ''keshigomu'' figurine of Trypticon, similar to the larger [[Decoy]]s, was released as part of Kabaya's line of ''[[Transformers Caramel]]'' candy toys. Like all the figures from the 1986 range, he came [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], and was available in a variety of pearlescent colors including red, yellow, blue and green. As the name of the series suggests, he came with a piece of caramel candy.

===Forms Robo===
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1987)
:Trypticon was also among the ten characters who were rendered as part of the ''[[Forms Robo]]'' line of oversized ''keshigomu'' figures. He came individually packaged in a plastic baggie, and was available in red, yellow, green or blue. Of the various ''Forms Robo'' figures, Trypticon is easily one of the hardest to find, rarely appearing on the secondary market.
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===MyClone===
[[Image:Trypticon_myclone.jpg|right|thumb|All together now: Awwwwwwww!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (MyClone, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''MTF018'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
:The Trypticon [[MyClone]] is the adorablest little killer dinosaur you ever did see. He was released in the third wave of the ''MyClone'' line of Transformers PVC figures, and comes with a hexagonal teal display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.
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==Notes==
[[Image:G1TrypticonHeadCompare.jpg|thumb|200px|"[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" model on top, "[[Call of the Primitives]]" model on the bottom.]]

*Trypticon's original [[Tech Spec]]s give him a very high rank of 9, but he is never portrayed as somebody so far up in the Decepticon power structure.

*For some reason, Trypticon's [[character model]] has no eyes. Or to be more specific, the panels on his faceted head which are intended to be his eyes aren't colored, and are consistently left this way for all of his animated appearances using this model. His [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe]] profile, meanwhile, ''does'' color the eyes, while in "Scramble City", he is animated with an entirely different model that features eyes, and also has the orange panel on his nose closed, as opposed to open and exposing the gun within, as it is rendered in both the cartoon series and Marvel comic.

*A [[wikipedia:triptych|triptych]] is an artifact divided into two hinged, three folding segments. Though obscure, this is an appropriate name for Trypticon, because his tyrannosaur mode ''is'' a triptych, unfolding into three segments when it transforms into city or battle station modes. See, parents, this stuff is educational too!

*''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]'s color scheme is based on Trypticon. His character [[bio]] (and this was when Grimlock was an idiot) had Trypticon's Marvel Generation 1 motto: "Total victory requires total destruction."

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Dinosaurer''' (beast mode, ダイナザウラー ''Dainozaurā''), '''Dinobase''' (city mode, ダイノベース ''Dainobēsu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Triptikon'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bàu-lúng Jīn-gāng''' (Taiwan, 暴龍金剛, "Tyrannosaurus [[Wikipedia:Vajra|Vajra]]"), '''Tiejia Long''' (China, 铁甲龙, "Armor Dino")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Tripticão'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Trypticon Trypticon's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Trypticon (G1)

2011-05-27T20:30:04Z

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:''Trypticon is a [[Decepticon]] [[City-bot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:TrypticonGenerations1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"After G1, he was cast as the Red Ranger's T-Rex on Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers."]]
Enormous in both size and power, '''Trypticon''' is an unstoppable engine of destruction. This might please him greatly... were he not bored by the entire prospect. He cares little for his role as the ultimate Decepticon weapon and finds war to be a waste of effort. He doesn't like his comrades, he absolutely ''hates'' the Autobots, and—though he hides it well—he loathes himself most of all.

Trypticon transforms to a massive artillery platform that can devastate Autobot forces, who often must resort to trickery to defeat him. The only Autobot who can go toe-to-toe with him is [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], and there is a great rivalry between the two cities.

Trypticon is sometimes accompanied by one or more smaller robots, such as the autonomous [[Wipe-Out]] and the drones [[Full-Tilt]] and [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt]].

He hates [[water]] more than any other substance in the universe, mostly because he gets thrown into it a lot.

{{quote|Trypticon cannot be stopped! Nothing can stand in my way!|Trypticon|"[[The Ultimate Weapon]]"}}

{{note|Trypticon's size and personality vary greatly between continuities, though most agree with—or at least do not contradict—the profile-based outline given here. The most notable exceptions are the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], where his size is only 2 to 3 times that of a typical Transformer, and the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Sunbow cartoon]], where his personality is that of a dimwitted, destructive animal.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brad Garrett]] (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese), [[Héctor Vieyra]] (Latin American)
[[Image:Ff0d5 trypticon destroys ark.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Brokeback Mountain.]]
In the year 2005, the allied forces of the Decepticons and the [[Quintesson]] sought to attack the Autobots on two fronts, besieging them on both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and [[Earth]]. To counter the power of the Autobots' transforming Earth city, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the Decepticons arranged for the construction of a transforming city-robot of their own: Trypticon. Surreptitiously created out of a human city by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], Trypticon sent his former human occupants running for their lives as their city shifted and changed into the giant saurian robot. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

[[Image:FFOD5 Metroplex Trypticon.JPG|right|225px|thumb|Clash of the Badly-Animated Titans.]]
Trypticon's first mission was to attack [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], but he met resistance in the form of a team of [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]]. Trypticon knocked [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] out of the sky and shrugged off the other Autobots' attacks from below (stepping on [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] in the process) before battling his way through a barrage of cannon fire and leveling Autobot Headquarters. With this task complete, Trypticon turned his attention to [[Autobot City]] and Metroplex, and the giant Autobot could not have been at a worse disadvantage, being as he was without his [[Transformation cog|transforming cog]] and thus unable to transform to robot mode. Thankfully, the timely arrival of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] with the cog allowed Metroplex to transform and gain the upper hand in the battle. Trypticon was seized by the Autobot giant and hurled over the horizon, crashing into the Pacific Ocean. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}

While the Autobots believed that Trypticon had been destroyed, the dinosaur Decepticon had, in fact, retreated to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]] to recuperate. In 2006, in the midst of his recovery, Trypticon was approached by Decepticon wheeler-dealer [[Octane]], who talked him into relocating with him to the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya]]. There, Octane made a deal with ruler [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]]: In exchange for the Carbombya's high-grade oil, he and Trypticon would guard the country's coasts.

[[Image:Thiefinthenight trypticon steals kremlin.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Tom Clancy's latest novel: "Red Rex Rising."]] The deal soured when Fakkadi discovered how ridiculously energy-consumptive Trypticon was, and things came to a head when the dull-witted dino mistook a passing cruise ship for an invader and fired on it. Octane turned things around by arranging to have Trypticon use his prodigious size and strength to steal famous monuments for Fakkadi from around the world. Initially, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] were suspected of the thefts, but [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] linked the crime back to Trypticon, and the Decepticon was caught in the act stealing the Eiffel Tower. Trypticon was able to beat the Autobots back, and he then attempted to steal the Kremlin, but was ambushed by the waiting Autobot forces and stopped from doing so. With help from Fakkadi, the Autobots tracked the Decepticons back to Carbombya, where Metroplex engaged Trypticon in battle once more and hurled him into the ocean again. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}}

Trypticon survived his dunking and was relocated to [[Chaar]], where he was the victim of the ghost of deceased Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] when the spirit made a pact with [[Unicron]] to restore his body. In exchange for this boon, the dark god charged Starscream with fulfilling three tasks, beginning with the theft of Metroplex's eyes to replace Unicron's own. One of Metroplex's eyes was destroyed in the attempted theft, necessitating that Starscream and his pawn, [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], steal one of Trypticon's instead. Next, Starscream possessed Trypticon's body itself and brought the giant Decepticon to Unicron so that his transforming cog could be transplanted into Unicron's head. The final task was to connect Unicron's head to Cybertron itself, so the planet could become his new body, but as Starscream used Trypticon's possessed body to complete the connections, [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and the [[Battlecharger]]s disabled the city-bot from within, rendering him unable to complete the task. {{storylink|Ghost in the Machine}}

[[Image:Ultimateweapon metroplex hefts trypticon.jpg|right|215px|thumb|Shows that you can have sexy mudwrestling ''or'' giant robots, but not sexy, mudwrestling giant robots.]]
Later, after [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] stole Metroplex's transforming cog, Galvatron dispatched Trypticon to destroy the defenseless city. Confident of victory, Trypticon decided to have some fun, eating a naval destroyer and menacing the passengers of a train. However, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] flew into Trypticon through his mouth, firing all the while, giving the giant dinosaur [[Furmanism|the worst case of indigestion he'd ever had]]. Trypticon was forced to retreat, and he transformed back into city mode so that human repairmen recruited by the Decepticons(?!) could fix his damaged innards. As it turned out, the "repairmen" were Autobot allies [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and his son [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], who stole Trypticon's own transforming cog, intending to use it on Metroplex. This forced the Decepticons to use Metroplex's transforming cog on Trypticon, but neither cog worked particularly well in either of the two robots, and as they battled, they wound up partially transforming, shifting and stalling at various stages between their modes. At first, Trypticon had the advantage in the battle and threw Metroplex into a lake, but eventually, [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] arrived to align the Decepticon cog properly within Metroplex, allowing the Autobot to transform fully. Metroplex regained the initiative, and yet again treated Trypticon to another dunking, hurling him even deeper into the lake, where he sank. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[Image:Calloftheprimitives trypticon vs tornedron.jpg|left|210px|thumb|"Father... pleeease! Heelp meeee!"]]
Trypticon later participated in a battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, during which he and all the other "[[Primitive]]" animal-based Transformers present were telepathically contacted by the being known as the [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]]. Trypticon served as a transport that carried the Primitives to the dead world at the center of the universe from which the summons came, but was too large to enter the cavern in which the Oracle resided, and so he stood sentinel outside while the others ventured in. As the Oracle explained that he had summoned them to battle the energy-draining creature known as [[Tornedron]], Trypticon was the first to face off with the parasite, which took the form of a dragon and sucked his energy dry. Trypticon's lifeless husk toppled over on top of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], leading all the other Primitives to believe him destroyed, but the Dinobot leader had, in fact, survived, and was finally the one to defeat Tornedron and restore Trypticon and all the others drained by him. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the American animated series covered above occur in Japanese continuity, with the primary difference between the two being that the events of season three (set in 2006 in America) are pushed back to 2010 in the Japanese dub. As far as Trypticon is concerned, however, there is one much larger, contradictory fact established by the additional stories told in various Japanese media: In this continuity, Trypticon was actually built in the 1980s, and then ''re''built during the events of "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]".}}

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
[[Image:Trypticon metroplex hologram.jpg|right|180px|thumb|This week on ''Robote''—oh, sorry, wrong anime.]]
In the late 1980s, while the [[Autobot]]s were in the process of constructing Metroplex, the Decepticons were just as busy creating a counter in the form of Trypticon. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] were able to sneak past the Autobots' security and spy on the construction on Metroplex, acquiring the information that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] needed to discover whether or not Metroplex was strong enough to stand up to Trypticon. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Trypticon was completed soon after and was unleashed by the Decepticons on an island utopia that they had conquered. The Autobots were quick to arrive, but Trypticon made short work of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] and would have killed him if not for the sudden appearance of Metroplex. An over-eager Trypticon dove head-first at his rival, only to phase right through him and fall off a cliff and into the ocean. As it turned out, it was a hologram created by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and magnified by [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #6}}

=====Scramble City=====
[[Image:Trypticon scramblecity alternate design.jpg|left|180px|thumb|UP FROM THE DEPTHS, THIRTY STORIES HIGH! BREATHING FIRE, HIS HEAD IN THE SKY!]]
Upon the Autobots' eventual completion of Metroplex, the city-bot was dispatched on his first mission to aid Superion and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] in battle against their Decepticon foes. The villains were soon defeated, but as the Autobots stood victorious on a cliff overlooking the ocean, an explosion from beneath the waves caught their attention. As they watched, the sea parted to reveal Trypticon's towering form, as Megatron ordered him into battle with Metroplex. The two giant robots stared each other down, preparing to clash for the first time... {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

{{note|...but this battle never happened, as a second installment of ''Scramble City'' was never produced.}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''=====
[[Image:Trypticon and company.jpg|right|220px|thumb|Trypticon's audition for the lead role in ''Jurassic Park'' was foiled when Full-Tilt ran over the cameraman.]]
On a bright and sunny day in the year 2010, the [[Autobot]]s invited a group of [[human]] families to come take a tour of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. They were all very impressed and everything was going great... until Trypticon attacked. Preoccupied with keeping everyone inside him from dying, Metroplex was left to take all of Trypticon's attacks on the chin, including his Dual Plasma Cannons and Dino-Head Attack. With [[Scamper]] quickly taken out by [[Full-Tilt]], it looked as though Metroplex would be felled by a blast from the [[Brunt (G1)|Brunt tank]].

Luckily, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] deployed [[Six-Gun]] just in time. Six-Gun took out Full-Tilt and then proceeded to turn the Brunt tank around on Trypticon, blasting the Decepticon with his own drone. The blast destroyed Trypticon's head controls, forcing [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to call a retreat. With the day won, Metroplex returned to city mode. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 3|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #3}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
[[Image:Trypticon great war.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Now with iPod docking ports as well.]]
After kidnapping the scientist [[Doctor Dalton]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] forced him to upgrade a number of his Decepticons, including Trypticon. With Dalton's upgrade, Trypticon became able to link up with [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] in base mode, enhancing their power. This new ability spelled trouble for the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], who barely managed to escape their encounter with the upgraded Trypticon and rescue Dalton. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

In 2011, as part of his massive assault to retake [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] unleashed Trypticon on Metroplex, the battle thoroughly occupying the [[Earth]] forces of the Autobots, keeping them from coming to Cybertron's defense. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 3|The Great Transformer War #3}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Trypticon rope bridge.jpg|right|215px|thumb|D'OH!]]
Trypticon continued serving the [[Decepticon]]s into the year 2011, acting under the command of the leader of the Decepticons' Earth-based unit, [[Sixshot]]. However, when the Decepticons renewed hostilities against the Autobots, Trypticon's first foray into battle was not an impressive one, as he menaced Daniel Witwicky and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] amidst the mountains close to Autobot City. The two youths tricked the giant Decepticon into walking onto a rickety rope bridge, which subsequently buckled under his weight and dumped him into a ravine. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

In battle station mode, Trypticon was later rolled into action with Sixshot at the controls. He attacked an oil refinery in order to draw out Metroplex, who was then disabled by the Decepticons' newest weapon, the electromagnetic [[Madmachine]]. Seeking to learn the secret of the Madmachine, [[Blaster (G1)|Twincast]] later infiltrated Trypticon and discovered that the robot was being controlled from Chaar by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]]. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

[[Image:Trypticon vs headmasters.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Nipple rocket! FIRE!]]
A little later, Trypticon was commandeered by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and Scourge to help them take down a mysterious blackmailer who was extorting energy from countries all around the world. Trypticon arrived in [[Tokyo]] in the midst of a battle between the blackmailer and [[Raiden]], and began attacking Raiden when the Autobot combiner opened fire on him. The Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] soon arrived to occupy Trypticon's attention, forcing Cyclonus and Scourge to bail out of the giant. Everyone wound up dogpiling on the blackmailer, but the joke was on Cyclonus and Scourge, as it turned out it was their own superior officer, Sixshot, carrying out a secret mission from Galvatron. The two Decepticons fled, leaving the badly damaged Trypticon behind. {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}

Trypticon was recovered and repaired in time to help Sixshot prevent the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s from aiding a team of Autobots imperiled on Mars. When Metroplex attempted to stop the six-changer's interference, Trypticon came stomping onto the scene, headbutted him, and pushed him back with a barrage of laser fire. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger}} Later, Galvatron rendezvoused with Sixshot at Trypticon before attempting to thwart the Autobots' attempt to lend aid to the troubled planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]]. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

When Sixshot mobilized the Decepticons for a series of major attacks across the Earth, Trypticon accompanied him for his approach on Autobot City. When Metroplex chased after Sixshot, Trypticon charged into action and began grappling with Metroplex, freeing up Sixshot to duel, and ultimately kill, Ultra Magnus. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Not long after, Trypticon attacked Autobot City again when Spike was in the middle of explaining to the Autobots that he had deduced the Decepticons' current plan involving the [[Pacific Ring of Fire]]. Metroplex quickly engaged his perennial foe, but when Sixshot arrived, Metroplex focused his attentions on the six-changer, seeking revenge for the death of Ultra Magnus. Spike attempted to shout a warning to Metroplex as Trypticon jumped him from behind, but it came too late. Metroplex was at the saurian city's mercy until [[Suiken]] joined the fight and helped tear Trypticon away from him. Trypticon was then sent fleeing under a barrage of combined firepower from Metroplex and Suiken. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

=====''Zone''=====
[[Image:TrypticonZone1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Master of subtlety.]]
Years later, after several more Decepticon leaders had come and gone, the faction came under the rulership of the supernatural entity [[Violen Jiger]]. This mysterious creature's first action was to recruit a team of [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] from Decepticon history; Trypticon was enlisted as his "Saurian General" and outfitted with new armor and weaponry to make him even more powerful than before. Now wielding a club and shield and breathing fire, he was also apparently shrunken, as he was shown to be around the same size as the [[Combiner|combiners]] that made up most of the Demon Generals' ranks. The generals were charged with acquiring the two objects needed for Violen Jiger's ultimate goal: the Autobot super-fuel [[Energon Z]], and the enigmatic, life-giving energy source, the [[Zodiac]].

{{note|By the time of ''Zone'', Japanese cartoon continuity had already branched off in two similar but distinct directions a few years beforehand. One branch was depicted in the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' and ''Zone'' animated series, while the other was told through their respective [[manga]] and [[Story page|story pages]] as published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. As such, there are two discreet versions of the ''Zone'' story that both spin out of the cartoon timeline, detailed individually below.}}

======''Zone'' cartoon======
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daisuke Gōri]] (Japanese)

After several of the Demon Generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from the planet [[Micro|Zone]], they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Predaking]] and [[King Poseidon]]. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the Zodiac. Trypticon began tearing through China, smashing the Great Wall and breathing fire on the counterattacking military force.

[[Image:Energonzbeam.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"This campaign sucks. Black dragons spit acid, not fire."]]
A team of Autobot Micromasters soon arrived on the planet to battle the generals at Mount Fuji, and though their attacks had no effect on Trypticon, they struggled on until the [[Powered Master|Powered Masters]] [[Dai Atlas (Zone)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] arrived to take up the fight. Sonic Bomber kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac, and when he re-emerged with the ancient energy source in hand, the furious Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z directly at him. Dai Atlas was knocked off his feet, and Trypticon prepared to deliver another blast, but Sonic Bomber leapt in front of the beam and took the blast to save his commander. With the two Autobots now lying right in front of him, Trypticon readied another Energon Z blast, but just as he unleashed it, Dai Atlas held the Zodiac aloft. When the Energon Z and Zodiac interacted, the Zodiac's true power was unleashed, transforming Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber into powerful "Zone Mode" battle stations. Using the mighty firepower of their new modes, the Powered Masters destroyed Trypticon and the other generals in one colossal blast. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

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======''Zone'' comic and story pages======
[[Image:Starsaber vs trypticon zone.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

Aquatic General [[King Poseidon]] and Saurian General Trypticon were the next to attack, attempting to conquer the oceanic world of [[Wall]]. They bested [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]], but were eventually defeated by the efforts of [[Overload (G1)|Overload]], [[Erector]], [[Missile Bull]] and [[Skywave]] commanding the [[Off Road Patrol|Off Road Patrol Team]], [[Jet Patrol Team]] and [[Race Car Patrol|Race Car Patrol Team]]. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 3}}

After a group of the generals stole the Autobots' Energon Z from planet Zone, they handed it off to a second team consisting of Trypticon, Predaking, Devastator and King Poseidon. The capsule was stored within Trypticon's mouth, and he and his team proceeded to head for Earth to search for the second component required for the [[Zodiac]]. Trypticon tore through France before converging on Mount Fuji with the other generals, where they easily batted around the Micromasters that arrived to confront them. When the Powered Masters Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrived, the Micromasters kept Trypticon busy while Dai Atlas headed underground to search for the Zodiac. Dai Atlas soon emerged victorious, and everyone began grappling over the Zodiac, at which point Trypticon unleashed a beam of Energon Z from the capsule in his mouth. Timing things just right, Dai Atlas held up the Zodiac so that the Energon Z beam would hit it, unlocking its true power. Suffused with the power of the Zodiac, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber transformed into powerful new "Zone Mode" battle stations and sent the Decepticons fleeing under a barrage of awesome firepower. {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Zone}}

Trypticon later returned for a rematch with the Powered Masters, engaging them in battle alongside [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. The two heroes were not particularly impressed, and they strove to end the fight in less than eight seconds. True to their word, they beat the snot out of them; Sonic Bomber besting Trypticon with his "Meteor Drop" attack. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 6}}

The Generals later schooled [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:MarvelUS27 DinobotsVsTrypticon.JPG|left|275px|thumb|Probably the least embarrassing explanation for a burning sensation in your gonads.]]
When [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] informed Decepticon Earth commander [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] of his decision to shut down the [[space bridge]] in order to conserve energy, Shockwave petitioned him for one last use of the bridge, that they might send the deadliest Decepticon on Cybertron to attack the Ark and take its energy resources for their own. Ratbat agreed, and dispatched Trypticon into the forests of [[Oregon]], where he was spotted by paleontology student [[Rachel Becker]] as he stomped his way toward the Ark. Preferring to face his enemies head-on rather than ambush them, Trypticon launched a [[sonic-scrambler mine]] at the Ark to draw a small investigative team of Autobots out, then promptly began bombarding them with firepower in his battle station mode. With more sonic-scrambler mines carpeting the cave entrance to the Ark in order to prevent any Autobot reinforcements coming to the aid of the team, the Autobots seemed doomed, until Trypticon's attention was drawn by his minion, [[Wipe-Out]]. Trypticon's flunky had captured Rachel Becker and brought her to Trypticon to be destroyed, and Trypticon transformed back into his saurian mode, intrigued at the prospect of eliminating an organic. Suddenly, Trypticon was attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], who had been observing the conflict from afar and sought to protect the human. The other Dinobots soon came stampeding into battle, and Trypticon was able to hold his own against all five of them; indeed, he might have even won the battle, had the miserly Ratbat not contacted him to inform him that he had exceeded his allotted energy expenditure for the mission. The space bridge materialized next to Trypticon, and he broke off the fight, calmly obeying Ratbat's orders to return to Cybertron. The "defeat" of Trypticon promptly led to Grimlock being elected Autobot leader. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

''Much later, when the Autobot mad scientist [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] threatened Cybertron with his [[zombie]] army, only a small band of Autobots, along with the Decepticon [[Flywheels]], stood against him. Ultra Magnus made the questionable decision to allow Flywheels to break off from the group to seek reinforcements, but the Autobots need not have worried: the [[Duocon]] returned with Trypticon, who smashed his way into Flame's underground base and delighted in stomping zombies underfoot. {{storylink|Meltdown!}}''

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Decepticonsdarkages.jpg|rigfht|225px|thumb|It is entirely possible he speaks with a British [[accents|accent]].]]
Trypticon began life as an early Decepticon military project, the prototype iteration of which was put to use in the Decepticons' initial wave of attacks after the death of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] around eight million years ago. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}}

Trypticon himself was created when the prototype was upgraded during the period of time known as the "Dark Ages", between seven-and-a-half and six-and-a-half million years ago. Investigating reports that merely described a "mobile command base," [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] led a team of Autobots to [[Praetorus Wharf]] in search of this mysterious new Decepticon weapon, and they wound up driving ''onto'' the camouflaged structure before they even knew it. Just as they realized their mistake, the base transformed into a towering saurian robot mode and introduced itself as Trypticon, delighted at the prospect of a full-fledged trial run of its/his destructive capabilities. {{storylink|Devastation (Dreamwave)|Devastation}} Prowl's Autobots threw everything they had at Trypticon, but even with the aid of some reinforcements led by [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], they proved unable even to slow down the titan. They would surely have been destroyed had Trypticon not been called away to the [[Neutral Territories]] to aid his leader, Shockwave, who had been attacked by the minions of the mysterious [[The Fallen|Fallen]]. {{storylink|Revelation (The Dark Ages)|Revelation}} Trypticon later joined an allied team of Decepticons and Autobots in battling the Fallen's minions in [[Protihex]], where he put his impressive firepower to use trying to blast open the door to the [[Well of All Sparks]]. {{storylink|Conflagration}}

Despite his effectiveness as a killing machine and his delight in the use of his powers in his formative years, Trypticon came to doubt the Decepticon cause and hate his role in it. He thinks that his abilities will eventually merit his taking leadership of the Decepticons, though he accepts this with the same resignation as the rest of his futile existence. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye}}

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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
As part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Trypticon defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] strike force. A massive barrage from [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and G.I. Joe's artillery almost felled the giant Decepticon.

Later, a vision of the future witnessed by a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-empowered [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] showed Trypticon fighting alongside [[Iron Klaw]] against [[Sgt. Savage]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

===IDW comics continuity===
During the war on Cybertron at some point in the past, Trypticon was waiting for the Autobots to advance right into his arms. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] suspected a trap, and ordered his troops to retreat instead. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|All Hail Megatron #13}}

Hundreds of years ago, Trypticon fought [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] alongside Megatron, Optimus Prime, and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} He survived the battle and was part of a major Decepticon counter-offensive on what was left of Cybertron shortly thereafter, led by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

===''Alternity''===
Trypticon was one of several powerful opponents chosen by a higher-dimensional [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] in a "game full of death and suffering", to go against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|avatar]]. {{storylink|To Die Game!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===
As [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] searched for the truth behind [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he battled Trypticon in a game of death and suffering. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Sixshot]] and Trypticon attacked the planet Earth. They were defeated and all the prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:''

Right when the Autobots had found the drill they were looking for in the Karzite mines, Trypticon gave out a loud roar. Rodimus Prime recognized it, but he was in disbelief about what it meant. Sure enough, Trypticon fell from the sky, stating that the Autobots were too late. The city/dinosaur Depecticon announced that he was going to crush all of the Autobots now that they had nowhere to run. Surprisingly, the Autobots managed to take down Trypticon, who cried out and announced his being hurt. Threatening the Autobots that he would not forget his defeat and warned them that he would crush them some day, Trypticon fled back to the Decepticon base. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
{{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Trypticon''' (Decepticon City, 1986/1987) [[Image:Trypticon_g1_toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't mention the training wheels on the tail—he embarrasses easily.]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 loading ramps, 2 blaster stands, single-barreled blaster, double-barreled blaster, 2 scanners, 2 connectors, large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt, Full-Tilt's electro-disruptor.

:Trypticon transforms from a large grey, teal and purple dinosaur into a city mode, and from there into a mobile battle station. Trypticon shares many similarities with his contemporary and counterpart, Metroplex; he is accompanied by an entourage of smaller robots—the transforming mini-car, Full-Tilt, who forms Trypticon's chest plate, and the tank, Brunt, who is formed from several of his city-mode towers and other pieces—and in city mode, he can link up with the leaders of the 1986 Decepticon [[combiner]] teams, [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]], when they are in their base forms. Unlike Metroplex's combiner connections, the two leaders don't plug directly into Trypticon, instead linking up to him through two smaller "connector" pieces.

:Trypticon is further distinguished from Metroplex by the inclusion of several electronic gimmicks. Two C-size batteries power the electronics of Trypticon himself, allowing him to walk in dinosaur mode and causing his scanners and blasters to spin in city and battle station mode, respectively. Trypticon's main laser cannon (also part of Brunt) is powered by an AA battery and flashes orange.

:This mold was later [[retool]]ed, [[redeco]]ed, and sold with fewer accessories as ''[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]].

:Like a fair number of larger Generation 1 toys, Trypticon was never released in the UK.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Trypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''

===Transform Jr===
[[Image:Trypticon_jr_toy.jpg|300px|right|thumb|Mintasaurus]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-63'''
**''Accessories:'' 4 ramps, laser cannon

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Trypticon shrinks and simplifies the original toy, omitting the electronics, the battle station mode and... the color purple.
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===Classics===
[[Image:Classics Trypticon LOC.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Trypticon not want cuddles! Trypticon want smash Metroplex!]]
*'''Trypticon''' (Legends, 2006)
:The ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' version of Trypticon is a [[redeco]] of [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], transforming into a three-headed robotic dragon. This redeco is awesome and [http://www.toynewsi.com/news.php?catid=242&itemid=10656 needs cuddles].

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Grrr]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/ClassicsTrypticon/trypticon.htm More information on Trypticon at TFU.info]''
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===Device Label===
[[Image:Device Label Trypticon.jpg|thumb|300px|right|Mouseasaurus.]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (2009)

: Takara's ''[[Device Label]]'' Trypticon transforms from a working USB laser mouse into a mechanoid raptor. He shares this mold with ''Device Label'' [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Device Label|Grimlock]].

: According to early BigBadToyStore solicitations, the mice were originally supposed to depict Generation 1 [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] and ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

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==Merchandise==

===Transformers Gum===
[[Image:Tfgum_trypticon.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Dinosauruer''' (1986)
**''Accessories:'' Large tower, small tower, 2 tank treads, laser cannon, Full-Tilt

:A snap-together model kit of Trypticon was available as part of the fifth wave of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Gum]]'' [[candy toy]] series. A much-shrunken version of the original Trypticon toy, the kit transforms into something of a cross between city and battle station modes, and still comes with all the pieces to make Brunt, as well as a non-transforming car-mode Full-Tilt. Moulded from black, red and grey plastic, Trypticon has stickers for detail rather than paint operations, and came with a stick of gum.

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===Transformers Caramel===
[[Image:Trypticon_keshigomu.jpg|right|thumb|300px] Now selling "Green Slime Godzilla and Japanese shrine Trypticon! Collect them all!]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1986)
:A small soft-rubber ''keshigomu'' figurine of Trypticon, similar to the larger [[Decoy]]s, was released as part of Kabaya's line of ''[[Transformers Caramel]]'' candy toys. Like all the figures from the 1986 range, he came [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], and was available in a variety of pearlescent colors including red, yellow, blue and green. As the name of the series suggests, he came with a piece of caramel candy.

===Forms Robo===
*'''Dinosaurer''' (1987)
:Trypticon was also among the ten characters who were rendered as part of the ''[[Forms Robo]]'' line of oversized ''keshigomu'' figures. He came individually packaged in a plastic baggie, and was available in red, yellow, green or blue. Of the various ''Forms Robo'' figures, Trypticon is easily one of the hardest to find, rarely appearing on the secondary market.
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===MyClone===
[[Image:Trypticon_myclone.jpg|right|thumb|All together now: Awwwwwwww!]]
*'''Dinosaurer''' (MyClone, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''MTF018'''
**''Accessories:'' Display stand
:The Trypticon [[MyClone]] is the adorablest little killer dinosaur you ever did see. He was released in the third wave of the ''MyClone'' line of Transformers PVC figures, and comes with a hexagonal teal display stand, which can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures. His modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.
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==Notes==
[[Image:G1TrypticonHeadCompare.jpg|thumb|200px|"[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" model on top, "[[Call of the Primitives]]" model on the bottom.]]

*Trypticon's original [[Tech Spec]]s give him a very high rank of 9, but he is never portrayed as somebody so far up in the Decepticon power structure.

*For some reason, Trypticon's [[character model]] has no eyes. Or to be more specific, the panels on his faceted head which are intended to be his eyes aren't colored, and are consistently left this way for all of his animated appearances using this model. His [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|Universe]] profile, meanwhile, ''does'' color the eyes, while in "Scramble City", he is animated with an entirely different model that features eyes, and also has the orange panel on his nose closed, as opposed to open and exposing the gun within, as it is rendered in both the cartoon series and Marvel comic.

*A [[wikipedia:triptych|triptych]] is an artifact divided into two hinged, three folding segments. Though obscure, this is an appropriate name for Trypticon, because his tyrannosaur mode ''is'' a triptych, unfolding into three segments when it transforms into city or battle station modes. See, parents, this stuff is educational too!

*''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]'s color scheme is based on Trypticon. His character [[bio]] (and this was when Grimlock was an idiot) had Trypticon's Marvel Generation 1 motto: "Total victory requires total destruction."

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Dinosaurer''' (beast mode, ダイナザウラー ''Dainozaurā''), '''Dinobase''' (city mode, ダイノベース ''Dainobēsu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Triptikon'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Bàu-lúng Jīn-gāng''' (Taiwan, 暴龍金剛, "Tyrannosaurus [[Wikipedia:Vajra|Vajra]]"), '''Tiejia Long''' (China, 铁甲龙, "Armor Dino")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Tripticão'''

==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Trypticon Trypticon's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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