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[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] has always looked and will always look a lot like [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. There are many [[Starscream (G1)/toys|toys of Starscream]] and where there is a Starscream toy, a Thundercracker toy soon follows.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy_thundercracker.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Decepticon Jet, 1984/1985/1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''24'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear

: Originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Jet Robo Acrobat-Type", Thundercracker transforms into a metallic blue F-15 Eagle fighter jet. His transformation essentially involves removing and reattaching most of his plane parts, though it is possible to do so without removing ''all'' of them, the way the instructions tell you to. As a result of his rather piecemeal design and the fact that neither mode uses all his parts, it can be quite difficult to find an intact original Thundercracker on the secondary market.

:Thundercracker is armed with a pair of missile launchers that mount on his arms in robot mode, and under his wings in jet mode, with a pair of specialized projectiles for each. In jet mode, two short rockets are fitted into the launchers to make them resemble the drop tanks a real F-15 carries, while in robot mode, they are replaced with the long barrels of Thundercracker's incendiary guns. The original ''Diaclone'' version of the mold featured spring-loaded firing mechanisms in these launchers; while this feature was removed for the [[Hasbro]] release of the toy, it was left intact for the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] version, and all subsequent reissues.

:While the earliest releases of Thundercracker were basically identical to its ''Diaclone'' predecessor, some small modifications were soon made to the figure which became the standard for all subsequent reissues of the mold. These included the hollowing out of the inner edges of his wings and the tips of his tail-wings, the lengthening of the pegs on his wings, and the addition of extra clips on the inner sides of his fist-gauntlets, allowing them to grip his arms better but creating a visible slit on them. Like all his 1984 brethren, Thundercracker gained a factory-applied [[rubsign]] in 1985, which was added to the left side of his fuselage.

:Thundercracker ceased to be shipped to toy stores in 1986, but continued to be available as a mail-away item in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" flier packed with most boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $10 and two [[Robot Point|robot points]]. He has been [[Generation 1 reissues|reissue]]d several further times down through the years; this article strives to list each separate release under its own header.

:Thundercracker shares his mold with his simultaneously-released teammates [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]], and was later [[redeco]]ed into [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. This mold was also [[retool]]ed into [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Generation 1 Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Thundercrackeram.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Do not look directly at him, unless you have sunglasses and/or Pepto Bismol handy.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Action Master Exo-suit, 1991)
**''Accessories'': Solo Mission Jet Plane, sonic boom blaster, 2 missiles

: Released only in European and Australasian markets, [[Action Master]] Thundercracker is, once again, a [[redeco]] of Starscream, a non-transforming action figure that combined elements of both the character's cartoon model and toy-form. Like all Action Masters, Thundercracker came with a transformable accessory — in his case, a Solo Mission Jet Plane vehicle that converted into [[Action Master Exo-suit|exo-suit]] battle armor. For whatever reason, Action Master Thundercracker forewent any attempt at rendering the character in his traditional blue and silver color scheme, but instead opted for a fantastically nauseating blend of magenta, purple, blue, gold, and two shades of green that would become the stuff of legend as the ultimate example of the flair this era's European Transformers had for the [[neon|gaudy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Action Master Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Machine Wars===
[[Image:MWThundercracker toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|No, seriously, this guy is Thundercracker.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Basic, 1996)
**''Accessories'': Two-part rifle

: Sharing a mold once again with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]], Thundercracker transforms into a green Dassault Rafale fighter jet with spring-loaded one-step transformation from jet to robot. The two halves of his rifle store in his lower legs. Like all ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' toys, Thundercracker was an [[exclusive]] to Kay-Bee stores and related stores like Toy Liquidators.

: This mold was originally developed for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', but was canceled when that line went under. It is unknown if it was intended to be a new character or a recurring one, though odds are it would have been later [[Redeco|redecoed]] into a recurring character if the former was true.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirge]], ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Skyfire (RID)|Skyfire]], ''[[Robot Masters (franchise)|Robot Masters]]'' [[Wingstun]], and the "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]" version of [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Machine Wars Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Collector's Edition===
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[[Image:G1toy reissue thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (reissue, 2001)
**''ID number:'' '''24'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear
:The original Thundercracker toy was reissued for the first time in 2001 as part of Takara's small "Collector's Edition" series, which made several Generation 1 toys available as convention [[exclusive]]s. Sold in new open-faced packaging with no notable changes from the original figure, Thundercracker was an exclusive at the Japanese science fiction convention "Super Festival 21", available only in a set with Skywarp and limited to 1000 pieces. The pair are often mistakenly identified as [[e-HOBBY]] exclusives.

::*''[http://shmax.com/product_details/1323/24_thundercracker More information on Collector's Edition Thundercracker at Shmax.com]''
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===Commemorative Series===
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[[Image:G1toy commemorative series thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (reissue, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear

:The original Thundercracker toy was made available again as part of Hasbro's line of [[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] reissues in. Released in the third wave of the series, it featured functional missile launchers for the first time on a Hasbro version of the toy, but because the launchers now worked, both sets of missiles had to be lengthened [[for safety reasons]]. His incendiary guns didn't turn out ''too'' bad, but as you can see, the once-small rockets just wound up looking ''stupid''.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/CSThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Commemorative Series Thundercracker TFU.info]''
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===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
[[Image:Smallest transforming thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px|You little Thunder Little Thunder you]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (2004)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, left & right wings, left & right tailfins, landing gear

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' product (dubbed wave "2.5" and available only at CVS stores in Japan), Thundercracker is, of course, a redeco of this line's Starscream. Like all toys in the series, he is a tiny, simplified version of the original Generation 1 toy, transforming into an F-15 fighter jet. As with all previous waves of ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'', these figures were sold [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], with Thundercracker as one of the wave's two rare [[chase figure]]s (the other being a cartoon-colored version of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Combat Deck (G1)|trailer]]).

: The same mold is used by ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Skywarp and Thrust.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Destron/SmallestThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RobotMastersThundercracker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Light blue? Totally neon.]]
* '''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': 2 rifles, 2 missile pods

: ''[[Robot Masters (franchise)|Robot Masters]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] from the same series, a smaller yet more advanced version of the original toy, adding more articulation and reducing the amount of [[Partformer|part-forming]] required. He was available only in a two-pack with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]], which also came with a Decepticon sigil pin and chromed missile pods. This set was the very last product released in the ''Robot Masters'' line, and wasn't even strictly sold in a box from that series; instead, it used an e-Hobby Generation 1 reissue box, with a small "''Robot Masters''" sticker in the corner tab noting its origin from the front.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Robot Masters Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumHeroesWWThundercracker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I don't think I have enough little wings on my shoulders.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Display base

: [[Titanium Series]] Thundercracker is based upon his appearance in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]''. He transforms into a Cybertronian 'tetrajet', as reimagined by [[Don Figueroa]]. As with all 6-inch Titanium Cybertron Heroes, he is constructed mostly of fully painted die-cast metal.

: This mold was redecoed into ''[[War Within (toyline)|War Within]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Starscream]], [[Sunstorm (G1)#Titanium Series|Sunstorm]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Skywarp]], and [[Thrust (G1)#Titanium Series|Thrust]].

: Yes. Thundercracker was here first.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/Tit6Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Titanium Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Timelines===
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[[Image:Classics Thundercracker Toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You want me, but you can't have me!]]
*'''Games of Deception!''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Left & right launchers, 2 missiles

: Much clamored for by fans following the release of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Starscream and Skywarp in order to complete the original Seeker trio, ''Classics'' Thundercracker was eventually released as part of the "Games of Decepticon" boxset exclusive to [[BotCon 2007]], along with [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bugbite]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]], and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], only 1500 of which were produced. He is, naturally, a [[redeco]] of the ''Classics'' Starscream toy, using the slightly modified version of the mold first seen with Skywarp which features shoulders with a decreased slope and a fifth rectangular marking.

: Like the other entries in the ''Classics'' series, Thundercracker is a faithful "modernizing" of his original Generation 1 form, updating his original toy with modern standards of toy engineering, transformation, sculpting detail and articulation. He still transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but has the nose of an [[wikipedia:F-14_Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]] fighter jet, and sports a shade of blue closer to that of his ''[[Diaclone]]'' progenitor. As ever, he is armed with a pair of missile launchers, which can mount under his wings, on his shoulders, or in his fists, and fire spring-loaded projectiles. The large size of the missiles (necessary for safety reasons) restricts his arm movement somewhat in robot mode, as they bump into his wings. Like all ''Classics'' figures, he has a heat-activated rubsign, positioned along his fuselage as on his original toy.

:This mold was redecoed to create Thundercracker's ''[[#henkei|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' and ''[[#generations|Generations]]'' incarnations, as well as ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (franchise)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Henkei! Henkei!|Skywarp]], ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Acid Storm (G1)|Acid Storm]] and Thundercracker's ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Thundercracker (SG)|counterpart]] (the latter figure later being [[repurposing|repurposed]] as Thundercracker himself). The toy has previously been significantly retooled to create ''Classics'' [[Ramjet (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Ramjet]], and that version of the mold was used for Thundercracker's ''Classics'' boxset partners Thrust and Dirge, as well as ''Henkei'' versions of all three, and ''Generations'' versions of the latter two.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/BCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Classics Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:SGtoy-Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|300px|They don't make F-15s like that any more. Or ever.]]
*'''Galvatron''' / '''Thundercracker''' ([[BotCon 2011]] souvenir set)
**''Accessories'': Left & right launchers, 2 missiles
: ''Shattered Glass'' Thundercracker is a redeco of the previous ''Timelines'' Thundercracker figure (itself a redeco of ''Classics'' Starscream, [[#botcon2007|see above]]) in a [[neon|buffet of colors]] as a visual homage to the Generation 1 [[#ActionMaster|''Action Master'' Thundercracker]] action figure. He was available exclusively at BotCon 2011 in an add-on souvenir set with [[Megatron (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Galvatron]], in limited quantities of 1800.

: [[Fun Publications]] originally proposed this redeco for the attendee freebie figure for [[BotCon 2010]], but the mold was being used for ''Generations'' Thrust by Hasbro at the time and thus unavailable, and so [[Slicer|Slice]] was produced instead. In the same way that the Slice figure represented both the Generation 1 Decepticon Action Master and [[Wheeljack (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Wheeljack]], this Thundercracker represents both the original Thundercracker and his ''Shattered Glass'' counterpart, and was intended to come with two separate bio cards to reflect this. The Generation 1 bio was nixed during production, but was later published in [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 42|issue #42]] of the [[Hasbro_Transformers_Collectors'_Club_(magazine)|Official Collectors' Club magazine]], officializing the toy's "dual identity" and securing it a spot on this page.

: This mold was also used for a buttload of other [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]; again, see above, 'cause we're not typing that all out again.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/BCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Shattered Glass Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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===Henkei! Henkei!===
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[[Image:Henkei Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb| You could have had me . . . but even then you might not want me.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missile launchers (left and right), 2 missiles

: ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Thundercracker is a Genbo store exclusive redeco of ''Henkei! Henkei!'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]. He features a metallic flake blue version of his cartoon color scheme, rather than his darker blue Generation 1 toy colour scheme. ''Henkei'' Thundercracker and his fellow [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]] were opened for pre-order on [[May 22]]nd through [[June 20]], and mailed out in September 2008.

:Soon after release, there were numerous complaints from both Japanese and Western collectors about the poor quality control for both Thundercracker and Skywarp. Thundercracker in particular suffered from a widespread issue where his missile launchers did not fit into the holes in his shoulders, due to the holes being too big. Some reported both toys suffering misassembly issues such as having two left or two right thighs.

:Several minor changes were made to this mold for this release. The holes for his missile launchers in his arms were widened, but not the launcher's insertion pegs. The wing's missile launcher insertion points were lengthened and are now curved at the end. The last rectangle on his air intakes, was further modified from the Classics version this time the bottom most rectangle goes completely across the air intake's surface rather than just the center. ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Skywarp and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generation 1 Series|Starscream]] also saw most of these changes.

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===Masterpiece===
[[Image:MP Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hey, at least I'm ''meant'' to be [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|blue]].]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (November 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-7'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "Machine Guns", 2 AIM missile racks, Doctor Arkeville pilot, Megatron Gun clasp, display stand

:A redeco of ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Starscream]], ''Masterpiece'' Thundercracker eschews the cartoon accuracy that the line normally strives for, transforms into a highly-accurate F-15 Eagle while sporting a more stylized robot mode. He comes with all the features and accessories included with the previous release of the mold: flip-up missile racks built into his pectorals, a two-piece display stand that can be configured to display the figure in mid-flight in either jet or robot mode, a miniature [[Doctor Arkeville]] figurine that fits in his cockpit (now cast in blue plastic), a clip to hold the gun-mode Megatron that came with ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime in jet-mode, and an extensive sheet of optional stickers to allow buyers to customize him to their liking. Also like Starscream and Skywarp, Thundercracker features a rotating face with two swappable expressions; a normal, stoic gaze (retooled from Starscream's original one, despite the popular misconception that it is the same) and a new growling glare, replete with bared teeth.

:Some ''Masterpiece'' Thundercrackers feature an assembly error: His left and right pectorals are flipped. This misassembly does not affect transformation at all, and is most noticeable when compared to prior ''Masterpiece'' Seekers. The 2008 pressing of ''Masterpiece'' Skywarp also features this part swap.

:This mold was also used for the ''Masterpiece'' version of [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Skywarp]]. It was also redecoed and retooled to create the eleventh ''Masterpiece'' figure, "[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP11|Starscream Coronation Version]]", which was then redecoed to create [[Sunstorm (G1)#Masterpiece|Sunstorm]].

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===Encore===
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[[Image:G1toy encore skywarp thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (reissue multi-pack, 2008)
**''ID number'' '''11'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear

:Thundercracker's original toy was reissued again as part of TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' series, this time in a two-pack with his erstwhile partner, Skywarp. This release of the figure is cast in a less metallic blue plastic than previous release, and features tamographed wing stripes and Decepticon insignias instead of stickers.

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===Alternity===
[[Image: Alternitytoy_thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Thundercracker Sonic Blue''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''A-04'''

:Thundercracker is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Alternity|Skywarp]], transforming into a licensed 1:32 scale [[wikipedia:Mitsuoka_Orochi|Mitsuoka Orochi]]. Thundercracker replaces Skywarp's purple, flat black, light purple, and metallic gray for metallic blue, glossy black, light blue, and silver. Like the other toys in the line, he features [[die-cast]] metal parts and rubber tires, as well as an opening hood, trunk and doors. This is also currently the only ''Alternity'' mold to feature [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|a fake kibble chest]].

:In car mode, small wings are ''supposed to'' be able to flip out from under Thundercracker's rear wheels, giving him the appearance of a flying car. Unfortunately, this [[gimmick]] suffers from a rather nasty [[design flaw]]: there is simply not enough clearance under the car for the wheels to be able to pass and hinge through, and attempting to do so will result in the plastic reinforcement struts underneath ''deforming the rims and chipping the tires''. His door panels also tend to detach from their [[ball joint]]s ''very easily''.

:This mold was also used to make ''Alternity'' [[Banzai-Tron (G1)#Alternity|Banzai-Tron]], while the original version of it was used by ''Alternity'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Alternity|Starscream]].

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===Generations===
[[Image:Genthundercracker.JPG|right|300px|thumb|You could have me, and you probably want me.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right launchers, 2 missiles

:''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Thundercracker is a third redeco of the ''Classics'' Starscream mold, and the first one to be released to mass retail.
: This version of Thundercracker features a darker blue than the greenish-blue of the BotCon release and the blue of the Henkei! Henkei! release. He also features a new deco layout and different striping from any of the previous versions. In the stock photo provided, he is slightly mis-transformed at the ankles.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Generations Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Generationstoy-LegendsThundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px|As if the guns on his arms weren't enough.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Legends, 2012)
**''Accessories'': 2 guns

:An Asian market-exclusive retool/redeco of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Legends Class]] [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]], this version of Thundercracker features a slightly different deco than the EZ collection figure, omitting the black paint on his shins in favor of giving him full-color [[Decepticon]] [[insignia]]s on his wings and a black painted nosecone. He features newly tooled hands and wings that can hold [[C joint|3mm post]]s, and includes two compatible guns. These weapons are heavily based on his Incendiary Guns, and both feature two posts each, allowing them to mount/be held in different ways.

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*'''Ultimate Gift Set''' (2012)
**''Accessories'': 2 guns

:This release of Thundercracker comes packed with Legends class [[Motormaster (G1)#Ultimategift|Motorbreath]], Deluxe class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Ultimategift|Combat Hero Optimus Prime]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Ultimategift|Autobot Jazz]].

:The Ultimate Gift Set is an online retailer exclusive in the United States, but is available at general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets.

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===Chronicle===
[[Image:Chronicletoy ez thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|300px|You ''used'' to want me, but now I just feel [[#Legends|inadequate]].]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (EZ Collection, 2011)

:''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of ''Transformers'' Legends Class Starscream. He transforms into an F-15 with many fuselage details borrowed from the Masterpiece version. This is the first Seeker mold in many years to attempt an entirely new transformation, with the arms now forming the rear of the jet and the legs folding under the wings. Thundercracker was available only in Japan, and like many Japanese "EZ Collection" toys, is [[blindpacking|blindpacked]].

:Surprisingly, Thundercracker was made available months before Starscream was released in the same line.

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===Transformers (2010)===
* '''Masterpiece Thundercracker''' (August 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Two AIM missile racks, hologram pilot, Megatron gun clasp, display stand

:A redeco of the newer ''Masterpiece'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP11|Starscream]] mold, ''Transformers'' Thundercracker features some extensive retooling to wind the ''Masterpiece'' Seeker design back into Kawamori's original, more Generation 1-accurate look, with most of the robot mode being newly tooled parts, including chunkier legs that now incorporate his tail-fins, [[retool]]ed shoulders and wingtips that no longer curve into one another, a new head (with collapsible head fins), new heel spurs that flip out for added support in robot mode, and re-engineered Incendiary Guns attached to extending armatures that mean they no longer have to be [[Partformer|removed]] for transformation.

:He comes with nearly all the accessories included with the previous Hasbro releases of the mold (with Dr. Arkeville being replaced with the newer hologram pilot figurine). The figure features flip-up missile racks built into his pectorals, as well as the original missile racks (with this defeating the purpose of the armature now used for the arm cannons), a two-piece display stand that can be configured to display the figure in mid-flight in either jet or robot mode, and a clip to hold the gun-mode Megatron that came with ''Masterpiece'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Optimus Prime]] in jet-mode.

:Masterpiece Thundercracker features several whimsical [[tampograph]]s, which include Thundercracker holding [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] in tape deck mode, [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] in camera mode, "'''D-24'''" (Thundercracker's Japanese line designation), and various call outs to Hasbro designers, such as "'''[[Joe Kyde|LTC Joe 'Big Daddy' Kyde]]'''" and "'''[http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sass%20Dragon Cpt. J. 'Dragon' Sass]'''".

:Curiously, the accessories, packaging, and instructions for Masterpiece Thundercracker are all specific to the older version of the mold (prior to the changes for MP-11 Starscream), and the packaging recycles the [[package art]] from ''Generations'' Thundercracker and features no pictures of the actual toy itself. The figure may have been intended for release with the older version of the Masterpiece Seeker mold before changes were made to use the newer version of the mold.

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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
[[Image:Decoy_thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Destron Hero Collection 22''' (multi-pack, 1986)
*'''Mini Mini Collection''' (multi-pack, 1986)

:Thundercracker was among the many characters rendered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of their series of 1.5" ''keshigomu'' figurines. Like all the Decepticons in the series, Thundercracker was molded in soft purple rubber, and featured a number sculpted into his back that was the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]]s, for use in the various games that could be played with the figurines. He is, surprisingly enough, ''not'' identical to either Starscream or Skywarp: the stance of his legs and the position of his Decepticon symbols differ, but he is, of course, most prominently distinguished by his raised right arm.

:Thundercracker was available as part of a 22-piece box set of Decepticon figures, in a peach coloration in several other box sets, including the Decepticon "Mini Mini Collection", and in a wide variety of colours in "gachapon" capsule machines.

*'''Thundercracker''' (1987)
**''Decoy number:'' '''34'''

: The Thundercracker figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number (34, in Thundercracker's case). Like all Decepticon Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]], and was, very early on in the promotion, available in an alternate red coloration that was only packed in with the Throttlebots. Unsurprisingly, this red figurine is much rarer.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Decoy Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[Image:Scf thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (2001)

: A three-inch tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Thundercracker was available as part of the fourth wave of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Super Collection Figure]]'' line, a redeco of the Starscream figure from the same series. Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full color figure and a metallic silver "pewter" version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures. In eight out of every ten cases, the pewter version of Thundercracker came with the left leg of the wave's collectable [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] build-a-figure.

: This mold was redecoed to create Skywarp, Sunstorm and the [[Air Warrior]]s in the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line (see below), and retooled into Dirge, Thrust and Ramjet.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Destron/PewterThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Pewter Super Collection Figure Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Heroes of Cybertron===
[[Image:HOC Thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (2003)

: Released in the second wave of Hasbro's ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line, this version of Thundercracker differs from his ''Super Collection Figure'' incarnation in several ways. Like all the ''Heroes'' figures, he was cast entirely in translucent plastic then painted over, leaving his eyes and the back of his head unpainted to create a [[light-piping]] effect. Moreover, ''Heroes'' Thundercracker features grey pectorals instead of white, black forearms instead of grey (to match his helmet and feet), and a yellow cockpit instead of an orange one. He was sold in individual blister packaging with a profile card.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/HoCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Heroes of Cybertron Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

* '''Thundercracker''' (2003)

: ''Heroes of Cybertron'' Thundercracker was also available in a six-pack with Starscream, Skywarp and three [[Air Warrior]]s. This set was offered by [[3H Productions|3H]] at [[OTFCC 2003]] and elsewhere.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/OTFCCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on 3H's Heroes of Cybertron Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===MyClone===
[[Image:Myclone thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (2003)
**''Accessories:'' Grey display base

:''[[MyClone]]'' Thundercracker—who you won't be surprised to hear is a redeco of ''MyClone'' Starscream—was one of two rare chase figures in the second wave of Takara's line of [[super deformed]] PVC figurines (the other being [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#MyClone|"Lava" Galvatron]]). He comes with a hexagonal grey display stand that can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures, and his modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Titanium-toy RMThundercracker.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Complete with rocket exhaust. Or possibly [[Goo]]. Or possibly oh dear god please let it be rocket exhaust or Goo.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (3" Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand

: A redeco of "Robot Masters" Starscream, Thundercracker is a small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine based on his cartoon [[character model]]. He is sculpted holding a gun in his left hand and stretching out his right arm, while using his feet-jets to fly up.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/TitThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Titanium Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesjazzthundercracker.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Now who's geeky?]]
* '''Jazz Vs Thundercracker''' (2007)

: A redeco of ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Starscream, Thundercracker is a two inch high figure sculpted in a [[super deformed]] style and articulated at the shoulders. He was available in a two-pack with [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]. This mold was later redecoed as Skywarp in the "Decepticon Sneak Attack" set.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/RHThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Robot Heroes Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Palisades===
[[Image:PalisadesThundercracker.jpg|thumb|Thundercracker [[Wikipedia:Jeff Dunham|on a ''stiiick'']].]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Palisades, 2005)

:A [[Palisades Toys|Palisades Direct]]-exclusive redeco of the Starscream statue, Thundercracker is a six inch tall polystone statue with articulated head and arms. He can stand normally or use a stand to take on a "hovering" pose. Thundercracker was limited to 300 pieces, and sculpted by [[3L Creation Group]] from a design by [[George Tremarco]].

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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[Image:DST08_ThundercrackerBust.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Diamond Select, 2008)
:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2008, Thundercracker was first exclusive to the New York Comic Con and later on offered by online retailer Big Bad Toy Store. He was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]] and limited to 400 pieces.

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==External links==
*[http://www.toybin.org/search.php?q=1984+Decepticon+Thundercracker ToyBin Thundercracker Toy Gallery]

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Talk:Megatron (G1)

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193.200.150.82: /* My thoughts on the "glorious" Megatron */ new section

==Split page?==
So... time to split off Meggy's toy section as we did Optimus? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Absolutely. I'd already twice considered bringing the issue up. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 09:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wikipedia Argh==
So, uh, how much of this article is copied from Wikipedia? I am going to cry. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:45, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:A general rule I use for detecting wikipedia-copied info is when the information is ''deadly serious'' or rather blandly generic, or merely not nerdly enough :D . --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:48, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, and when there are little to no links to existing pages on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:::So do we carve out the wikipedianess and start over on those parts, or what? I can only imagine G1 Prime is in the same shape... though I haven't looked. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:26, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

::::It will be alot of work to write up new parts for those pilfiered articles, but does our wiki intend to be the most informative, or the most fun? Also, long article sections (like stuff stolen from wikipedias) tend to be very boring to read. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

::I shall leap in here and point out that the guts of the Wikipedia article (and Prime's, too) was written by me. It's evolved somewhat since then, and I don't remember EXACTLY how much of what was mine is here. I didn't copy it over, but I'm just sayin'. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:53, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Uh, actually, looking back over this, only the Marvel Comics and animated series bits were really me... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

On the changes - Iacon wasn't levelled in There Shall Come A Leader. It was destroyed by Trannis in ''The Middle Years''. Megatron's intent to turn Cybertron into a warworld is referenced on page three of the first issue. And... where do we get that the war only lasted a hundred years before the Ark launch? [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/Annual86_Megatron.jpg This profile] from the '86 annual says a thousand. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 04:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:"As you know, Megatron disappeared after a hundred or so years of war, and was presumed dead." --Xaaron, {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!}} I'll fix the Iacon thing, if it isn't already. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

===Masterpiece Megatron===
The toy sections shouldn't read like reviews, man. Put that sort of thing on your blog, not on the wiki. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:54, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

===Alignment===
Is alignment in-continuity ENOUGH to merit mention? (The e-hobby Magnus stuff seems to tell 'some version' of alignment's events, I'd consider it AS in-continuity as the Last Days of Optimus Prime, whichw as later mentioned.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:05, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I would say neither should be in there. Not endorsed by Hasbro and/or Takara? Not canon. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]]

I think they can be mentioned as long as they are stated as being pseudo-canonical. I certainly think that both of those stories deserve their own articles, for example. "Fanfic" written by Simon Furman is a little different than regular run of the mill fanfic. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Alignment was mentioned in detail in the Ultimate Guide, so one could say it's retroactively canon. Not that I welcome it all that warmly, but... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:51, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

===Galvatron===
In answer to Sipher's question he posed as a comment to his edit, no, I don't think Galvatron should be here. Whether they're the same character or not, Galvatron shows up plenty enough as his own character from the future (and tends to fight/team up/interact with Megatron) to warrant his own entry. Otherwise, a combined Megatron/Galvatron entry is just going to be way too long and confusing as hell. (And, yeah, I am factoring in that Galvatron II will prolly already get his own entry.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

:Probably a good idea. While some characters (Smokescreen/Hoise, Bumblebee/Goldbug) get upgraded/renamed and basicalyl continue in a straight line, Galvatron time-jumps and even fights himself. In MANY continuities, Megatron doesnt' even BECOME Galvatron. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

::Right. Galvatron's riding the fence between Hot Rod/Rodimus, Bumblebee/Goldbug and Dead Guy/Cyclonus, Waspinator/Thrust. Often enough he has no real connection to Megatron at all. And he's appeared enough to fight "himself" or on his own Galvatron-specific terms that it pushes it over the edge to Needs Own Page, in my opinion. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

===Super Megatron===
http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/images~~othergallery~~concept~~generation~~manga-supermegatron.jpg.galleryimage254ba6a.php
I wish this immage wasn't watermarked. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 19:24, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
:Photoshop.
:Anyway, it's blurry t'wards the bottom... is this from Gneerations 2? -[[User:207.224.83.190|207.224.83.190]] 03:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I have a perfectly good picture of Ultra Megatron. I just have nowhere to ''put'' it on his page. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

=== Category: Convention exclusives? ===

Was there really a Megatron toy that was a convention exclusive? This isn't mentioned in the sections for ''any'' of the toys. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 19:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Yes. The original Megatron reissue was redecoed into the black Microchange colors as a BotCon Japan '01 exclusive. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::According to [http://mykooltoyz.tripod.com/blackmegatron.html this], Black Megatron was only available for preorder at BotCon 2000. He was released from eHobby the following year. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

::Uh... Not only was there no BotCon Japan 2001, there was no TF-released black Microchange Megatron. There WAS a "black" version gunmetal chrome and red interior bits (where the Microchange was solid black platics with blue interior bits), but it sure as hell wasn't a BCJ exclusive. Moderately sure that was e-hobby or maybe Toys Dream Project or some one-off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Choro Q G2 Megatron? I dunno. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 00:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

:Hm. That's more merchandise than anything else, but it IS a convention-exclusive piece. Could go either way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Alternators Megatron ==

Wasn't there meant to be a Cadillac Alternators Megatron in the pipeline? Well it's almost certainly been cancelled now, but it still warrants a tiny mention on this page. IMO.

==Space pic==
Couldn't fit this pic in anywhere, and I replaced it with a toy pic anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:57, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Titanium Megs ==

''>The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first G.I. Joe crossover set in World War II.

When was this established? Absent evidence ot the contrary, I assumed he belonged to Divided Front continuity. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron: Origin ==

I'm looking at the issue, and I can't see if it's been confirmed yet that Soundwave's employer is Senator Ratbat. It's ''likely'', but seemingly not confirmed in this issue.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 21:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

:Let's say it's ''extreamly'' likely, as it's just about as strongly implied by the narrative (and by narrative convention) as possible without someone going "Psst, hey kid..." from behind the curtain. I mean we have a clearly manipulative, selfserving Ratbat talking to his off-panel underling who speaks in Soundwave-style about technological advances and about manipulating Megatron, and then later you have Soundwave showing up and "manipulating" Megatron while talking about the offpannel Master who sent him. Pretty definative case narratively speaking. If it's somehow improbably wrong we can change it later (and I'll eat this wiki). ;) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:57, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, I agree that it's probably the case, just that since we're only citing issue 2 it's not quite covered.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 14:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Lines==
Steve-o removed all the "ugly lines" that were marking off various fictional super-sections for clarity. Sipher, I know you were working on a fix for this, which involved making the differences between the header sizes more obvious. Is this finished? Can we implement it please? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

:In re-examining the previous version of the page now that I know Walky liked the lines and thought they clarified things, I still believe they were ugly and didn't really help to make the sections more distinct. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron/Majin Zarak ==

Explain to me again why we need to start up a big talkpage debate to overrule the fanboy ramblings of a single user?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:That depends, which fanboy user are you referring to? I count three involved at this point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, didn't see you'd joined in. Mostly saw PPrime going off on another of his rants.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

==Fusion cannon==

i've been looking around, and the original box art calls megatrons weapon a "particle beam" cannon. TFU copies the box bio except it calls it a fusion cannon. I know tfwiki calls it a fusion cannon, but where does that name come from? i cant find it, and am begining to wonder if its accurate 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 14:40, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:...[[Fusion cannon]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:44, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
––hmm i see thx [[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 14:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==Japanese information==
Why's the page missing all the Japanese-exclusive info? Battlestars, etc. Did it get its own page somewhere? And if so, why isn't there a link to that here? Even the old Wikia page has that stuff. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 04:12, 18 January 2010 (EST)
:Top of the page, "G1 cartoon". The page was starting to get too big, so the Japanese stuff, which is part of the cartoon continuity, was placed on a sub page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:17, 18 January 2010 (EST)
::Thank you, that explains it; I searched the page for the word "Japan" and found nothing. --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 14:42, 18 January 2010 (EST)

==Just a note==
I don't have the resources yet, but the section on IDW comics is severely out of date; last new entry was on AHM #6. That should be updated by now. {{unsigned|Warpspeed Hellscream}}
:Well, it is AHM... I can hardly hold others responsible for lacking either the desire, or the thought, to go and fill out fiction sections related to it. Megatron especially... because nothing he does makes any sense, especially in the book's second half. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:59, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Length ==

Am I the only one who thinks it's time to split off more stuff? Because, seriously, 101kb is massive. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:21, 19 November 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, time for Marvel to spin off. You want a real head hurt? [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] is almost 109kb. And his merchandise has already been split. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:36, 19 November 2010 (EST)
::I think IDW could stand to be split off. It's 22,000+ characters (Marvel is 27,000+) and will constantly grow as long as IDW has the license. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:19, 19 November 2010 (EST)
:::Perhaps we could split off both? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:51, 20 November 2010 (EST)
::::Splitting both now would save us having to split one off later. I would support such a move. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:33, 20 November 2010 (EST)

== My thoughts on the "glorious" Megatron ==

kept my silence when Megatron announced he wanted to rifle, pillage, plunder, and loot. I did nothing when he tried to destroy all tradition, all morality, and the entire democratic system. But his latest fibs are the straw that breaks the camel's back. If you disagree with my claim that he is the grand master of obfuscation and misdirection, then read no further. His dream is to assume total control over society's means of production. Those with membership cards in Megatron's Praetorian Guard will be given whatever they want while the rest of us will be sent away empty-handed. In addition to being entirely unfair, such policies promote suppressing our freedom. Furthermore, it is immature and stupid of him to perpetuate what we all know is a corrupt system. It would be mature and intelligent, however, to focus on what unites rather than divides us, and that's why I say that he is definitely up to something. I don't know exactly what, but Megatron sometimes uses the word "anthropomorphologically" when describing his sentiments. Beware! This is a buzzword designed for emotional response.

When I was a child my clergyman told me, "Megatron has become Death, the destroyer of worlds." If you think about it you'll see his point. He has conceived the project of reigning over opinions and of conquering neither kingdoms nor provinces but the human mind. If this project succeeds then what I call fastidious, obstinate provincials will be free to inculcate the hermeneutics of suspicion in otherwise open-minded people. Even worse, it will be illegal for anyone to say anything about how Megatron gets a lot of perks from the system. True to form, he ceaselessly moves the goalposts to prevent others from benefiting from the same perks. This suggests that Megatron has already begun separating people from their roots and cutting their bonds to their natural communities. I wish I were joking, but I'm not. What's more, Megatron says that he is a martyr for freedom and a victim of militarism. That's a stupid thing to say. It's like saying that anyone who resists him deserves to be crushed.

Although it's easy to sit in the press box and criticize, I've tried explaining to Megatron's confreres that Megatron should stop lying about how genocide, slavery, racism, and the systematic oppression, degradation, and exploitation of most of the world's people are all utterly justified. Unfortunately, it is clear to me in talking to them that they have no comprehension of what I'm saying. I might as well be talking to creatures from Mars. In fact, I'd bet Martians would be more likely to discern that Megatron's maudlin preoccupation with Dadaism, usually sicklied over with such nonsense words as "internationalization", would make sense if a person's honor were determined strictly by his or her ability to give lunatics control of the asylum. As that's not the case, we can conclude only that I can say one thing about Megatron. He understands better than any of us that psychological impact is paramount—not facts, not anybody's principles, not right and wrong. I'm not suggesting that we behave likewise. I'm suggesting only that the world is full of people who trivialize certain events that are particularly special to us all. We don't need any more people like that. What we need are people who are willing to restore the traditions that Megatron has abandoned. We need people who understand that if we let Megatron evade responsibility, all we'll have to look forward to in the future is a public realm devoid of culture and a narrow and routinized professional life untouched by the highest creations of civilization.

The really interesting thing about all this is not that Megatron really dropped a clanger by admitting that he serves as a conduit that carries the élan vital of diabolism. The interesting thing is that if we don't establish a supportive—rather than an intimidating—atmosphere for offering public comment right now, then Megatron's analects will soon start to metastasize until they lower scholastic standards. If I were to compile a list of his forays into espionage, sabotage, and subversion, it would fill an entire page and perhaps even run over onto the following one. Such a list would surely make every sane person who has passed the age of six realize that we are at a crossroads. One road leads into the light of a bright, shining future in which prissy champions of deceit, lies, theft, plunder, and rapine like Megatron are thoroughly absent. The other road leads into the darkness of revanchism. The question, therefore, is: Who's driving the bus? While I don't know the answer to that particular question, I do know that Megatron somehow manages to maintain a straight face when saying that elected national governments are not accountable to their own people. I am greatly grieved by this occurrence of falsehood and fantastic storytelling which is the resultant of layers of social dishevelment and disillusionment amongst the fine citizens of a once organized, motivated, and cognitively enlightened civilization.

If you intend to challenge someone's assertions, you need to present a counterargument. Megatron provides none. He proclaims at every opportunity that he'd never make the pot of antinomianism overboil and scald the whole world. The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks. Whenever Megatron is presented with the statement that he is a hypocrite who preaches morality and virtue while simultaneously encouraging every sort of indiscipline and degeneracy in the name of freedom, he spews out the hackneyed excuse that bad things "just happen" (i.e., they're not caused by Megatron himself). Ironically, such screwball logic is likely to convince even more people that Megatron used to maintain that space aliens are out to lay eggs in our innards or ooze their alien hell-slime all over us. When he realized that no one was falling for that claptrap, he changed his tune to say that his opinions represent the opinions of the majority—or even a plurality. Megatron is doubtlessly a mumpish liar, and shame on anyone who believes him.

Given what we know about Megatron's infernal practices, I'd say that his recent use of antipluralism to deny citizens the ability to draw their own conclusions about the potential for violence that he may be generating is about par for the course. Other than that, Megatron is unable to deal with a world populated by human beings. By somewhat the same token, although I admit it's not an exact parallel, his long-term goals are merely a stalking horse. They mask Megatron's secret intention to manipulate everything and everybody. I recently informed him that his minions persecute the innocent and let the guilty go unpunished. Megatron said he'd "look further into the matter." Well, not too much further. After all, he says that his enemies are aligned with very dark and malevolent fourth-dimensional aliens known as Draconians. Hey, Megatron, how about telling us the truth for once?

Megatron's few successes exhibit no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity. The best example of this, culled from many, would have to be the time Megatron tried to diminish society's inducements to good behavior. A lot of people may end up getting hurt before the final spasm of his rage is played out. In the presence of high heaven and before the civilized world I therefore assert that I don't know which are worse, right-wing tyrants or left-wing tyrants. But I do know that it may not be easy to point out that the emperor has no clothes on, but it can be done. And it needs to be done. And we must always remember that Megatron really shouldn't generate an epidemic of corruption and social unrest. That's just common sense. Of course, the people who appreciate his reinterpretations of historic events are those who eagerly root up common sense, prominently hold it out, and decry it as poison with astonishing alacrity.

What's scary is that support for Megatron's unambitious hariolations is spreading like a prairie fire among the most juvenile drug lords you'll ever see. I don't know why that is, but I do know that every time Megatron gets caught trying to promote the total destruction of individuality in favor of an all-powerful group, he promises he'll never do so again. Subsequently, his habitués always jump in and explain that he really shouldn't be blamed even if he does because, as they suspect, he has a duty to conceal the facts and lie to the rest of us, under oath if necessary, perjuring himself to help disseminate the True Faith of blackguardism. And, more important, by his standards, if you have morals, believe that character counts, and actually raise your own children—let alone teach them to be morally fit—you're definitely an untoward marauder. My standards—and I suspect yours as well—are quite different from Megatron's. For instance, I clearly assert that so far, the response from his camp has been tardy and equivocal. Whatever weight we accord to that fact, we may be confident that one can only speculate how much worse things would be if he were to formulate social policies and action programs based on the most ignominious types of nonrepresentationalism in existence. (Actually, his expedients are simply the result of vested interests striking back at a group whose actions in support of religious freedom, social reform, and government accountability have cut through those vested interests, but that's not important now.)

Megatron yields to the mammalian desire to assert individuality by attracting attention. Unfortunately, for Megatron, "attracting attention" usually implies "gumming up what were once great ideas". At this point in the letter I had planned to tell you that except for a few bright spots, his taradiddles are completely sex-crazed. However, one of my colleagues pointed out that all of Megatron's insults are paralogistic. Hence, I discarded the discourse I had previously prepared and substituted the following discussion in which I argue that he focuses on feelings rather than facts. Sure, Megatron attempts to twist and distort facts to justify his feelings, but that just goes to show that if you looked up "nasty" in the dictionary, you'd probably see his picture.

I promise you, again and again and again, that I will never deprive people of dignity and autonomy. Megatron, on the other hand, is so eager to do exactly that that he's already begun repeating the mistakes of the past. The reason I'm distinguishing my actions from his here is that when you tell Megatron's agents provocateurs that Megatron's schemes are a farraginous amalgam of emotionalism and barbarism, they begin to get fidgety and their eyes begin to wander. They really don't care. They have no interest in hearing that I don't know if he is consciously and purposely evil or merely churlish. I do know, however, that Megatron's chargés d'affaires form a loopy organization devoted to harassment and barratry. Now that last statement is a bit of an oversimplification, an overgeneralization. But it is nevertheless substantially true. I, hardheaded cynic that I am, would like to go on, but I do have to keep this letter short. So I'll wrap it up by saying that Megatron is not above the law.

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The search box essentially fakes case insensitivity. For instance, we have a "[[Revenge of the Fallen]]" redirect, but if you type "revenge of the fallen" into the search box and press enter, the "go" engine won't find it and instead kick the query off to the search engine. That's why I put the redirect at "Transformers dark of the moon" rather than "Transformers Dark of the Moon". I'm not sure if there's anything we can do about the case insensitivity. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:42, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:Uh... okay then. Nothing I had ever seen here indicated that could possibly be a problem, so it not being capitalized simply looked wrong. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:33, 6 March 2011 (EST)

== [[Canada]] ==

When have I ''ever'' been told ''anything'' about not adding people to the list? {{unsigned|TOM}}
:I quote: ''21:55, 27 November 2010 Detour (Talk | contribs) m (10,550 bytes) (Undo revision 527374 by TOM (Talk) We don't need to list everyone from Canada. Cullen gets special mention because he's effing OPTIMUS PRIME.)'' --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:51, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== What up with dang nasty trolls ==

I don't get em

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[[Image:Protoman.jpg|right|171px|thumb|What a cocky son of a......]]

'''Daniel "Protoman" Arseneault''' is staff of the 2nd largest Transformers convention in the world, TFcon[http://www.tfcon.ca].{{fact}} He is known for his "take no crap" personality and insane Transformers knowledge {{fact}}. Him and [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] party to TF Japanese source books. He is also gay for [[Rodimus (disambiguation)|Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime]].

==Transformers Fandom History==

The legendary{{fact}} [[Canada|Canadian]] fan Daniel "Protoman" Arseneault started his humble Transformers beginnings with his first trip to see [[The Transformers: The Movie|some robot movie]] with his next door neighbour back in 1986, it all snowballed from there. There he was introduced to something new and beautiful to him and not to mention coming into contact with a [[Hot Rod (G1)|character]] that would become dear to his [[Spark|heart]] and always brought up when the name "Protoman" is mentioned. As he grew older, he used his money working at BMW as a mechanic and semi-pro racing in Formula Ford and KART to fund his insane lust for all things Transformers. Considered one of the top representatives of the Canadian Transformers fandom, Daniel uses his social jock influence{{fact}} to bring others who normally see the hobby as a "nerdy thing" and brings light to them as if it was some kind of [[Primus|religion]] they were missing out on.

According to the Twitter page of [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], some visual aspects of [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]] from [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)| Transformers Animated]] were based on Daniel, such as the popped collar which is a regular part of his attire.<ref>[http://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/21459535186 "@DerrickJWyatt Epic. Just epic. Now if only we can talk about that popped collar =D" "@Protomanx The popped collar inspired by Protoman?"]</ref>

==Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime==
Daniel "Protoman" really, REALLY likes this character. He has the biggest Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime collection in the world.{{fact}} Rarities like the Rodimus Convoy 2010 Shampoo figure bottle and the 1988 Kabaya Rodimus Convoy Blaster Replica are some of his prized figures (And yeah.... some of that lucky draw stuff). What [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] is to [[David Willis]], Hot Rod is to Protoman..... cept even more extreme.{{fact}} He is constantly watching over and maintaining any of the Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime related wiki entries of any like:

[[Hot Rod (G1)|G1 Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime]] G1 Awesome

[[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|G1 Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime toys and merch]] Spending Awesome

[[Dark Hot Rod|G1 Black Rodimus/Dark Hot Rod]] Evil-Black-Repaint Awesome

[[Rodimus (Energon)|Energon Rodimus]] Unicron Trilogy Awesome

[[Rodimus (Movie)|Movie Rodimus]] Future Movie Awesome

[[Rodimus (SG)|Shattered Glass Rodimus]] Evil Goatee Awesome

[[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Animated Rodimus]] Big Chin Awesome

[[Hot Shot (Prime)|Prime Hot Shot/Rod]] Name Confused Awesome

also

[[Pointblank|G1 Pointblank]] Cause he is bad ass

==Conventions==

Prior to being staff of TFcon[[http://www.tfcon.ca]], Daniel use to compete at the event before deciding to focus on [[Botcon|bigger fish]].

At [[Botcon 2008]], Daniel "Protoman" along with Team Canada got to the semifinals of the Faction Feud Trivia and shut out fellow brother site TFW2005's team [[http://www.tfw2005.com]]. He also taunted the vastly pro-american audience when he took the mic from Alvarez. After the Friday Panel, Protoman privately talked with [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] about insuring Hot Rod / Rodimus Prime get a good faithful representation when he will be used in Animated. Later on [[Jared Wade]] drew up a sketch of Animated Rodimus for him (7 months before it's public debut).

TFcon[[http://www.tfcon.ca]] wise, he is part of the main staff of the convention. Daniel hosts multiple Transformers history and educational panels, is the head judge of any trivia competition and is liasion for any guests that need someone to hang with to balance out the normal convention "crowd".

==Fiction Cameos==

Protoman has ended up in mild homage/cameos in some current TF related fiction by long time co-workers [[Alex Milne]] (art) and [[Josh Perez]] (colors).

[[Defiance issue 2|Transformers Revenge of the Fallen: Defiance #2]] - Page 15, Panel 3. Far right.{{fact}}

[[Drift issue 2|Transformers: Drift #2]] - Page 4, Panel 2. Lone robot on the middle{{fact}}

[[Unofficial conventions|TFcon 2010: Nightbird Origins]] - Page 2, Panel 3. Far right.

==Protoman in the mass media==

Daniel appeared on This Morning Live on July 9th, 2007 which aired live all over the eastern Canada area on Global TV. Protoman talked about Transformers, his collection and how he got so "deep" into the hobby. When pictures of his house and collection were shown. Off-camera News Anchor Mike Lecouteur jaw dropped and later told Protoman about owning [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] as a child.

Protoman was featured in Montreal, Canada's largest newspaper, [[wikipedia: The Gazette (Montreal)|The Gazette]] on July 28th, 2007 in a quarter page article with photo and full interview about his huge collection of Transformers, his life and feelings about the [[Transformers (2007)|new Transformers movie]].

Featured in an extensive interview on G4's [[wikipedia: The Electric Playground|Electric Playground]] on August 3rd 2010, TFcon was the focus and Protoman was the guide for the show. He talked about the conventions history, what helped Transformers endure all those years and what he loves about the fans.[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPhqJNNfEvA]

==External links==
* [http://www.tfcon.ca TFcon, the world's 2nd largest Transformers convention]
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Talk:Dark Scream

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Somebody want to cite a source for this MLP thing? Otherwise, I call bullshit and deletion. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:02, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

:It's a fun observation, and probably nto intentional. Feel free to bullshit away. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm 90+% sure that in some episode, Darkscream complains that he can't even fly, just glide. Thing is, that may have been a fansub of CR... agghh. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 01:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Gildo ==

I know spelling wise that is what it should be, but in my opinion with the past articles of japanese original characters' names. Glide would sound more accurate as his name, rather than Gildo. Hell, it sounds quite close to a very poor spoken version of the hiragana. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 23:59, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
:Glide would be guraido (グライド) not girudo (ギルド). --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:01, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::True, however the japanese language has several different ways of saying the same word, even if it's another language's word. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 12:48, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Well a Google search is quick to reveal that there is no such thing as using "ギルドー" for "glide". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:15, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Heck, the guy above saying "Dark Scream" complaining how he can't fly only glide, would strengthen my argument. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 12:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:I don't see how that proves a point any. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:15, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::Didn't say it proved a point, I said it strengthened it. TFs usually have names attributed to ther peronality or abilities, or lack there of, so a TF who complains he can only Glide not fly. It would make sense that his name is Glide. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 13:56, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Maybe, but his name is still not Glide, it's Gildo (or maybe Gildor?). It's possible it's supposed to be another one of those weird Japanese puns, but his name still isn't Gildo. Besides, TF names in Japan often have nothing to do with abilities or personality. What do the names "Killbison", "Leozack" or "Guiltaur", for example, tell us about the abilities or personalities of those TFs? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 14:22, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::True, true. I'll admit there are names out there from the japanese choices that don't go with that theme. However looking at most of the Car Robots cast, most have names derived from actual words (ex. Mach Alert, Speedbreaker, Indy Heat, etc). Also, I do not know how much experience you have with japanese names from anime. But I have seen a few who don't use the standard hiragana translations for the word. And we all know mistakes happen that don't get caught before being released.
::::Point is I think it should be Glide, maybe it could be considered to put an addition on "Dark Scream"'s page that his japanese name might be Glide, along with the straight translation.[[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 14:45, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Dude, I don't think you get how this works. This is not a "translation" issue. ギ is Gi, ル is ru and ド is do. That's just the end of the story! It's not a question of translating the world "glide" and screwing it up - they've explicitly chosen those syllables. If they wanted it to be "Glide," then it would be a four-character word sounding out "Gu-ra-i-do". And it's not. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Uh, you know that this is Katakana and not Hiragana, right? How ironic.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 14:56, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
Oh I guess you're right mazenoise. Sorry, its been awhile since I was looking into the proper terminology of the language. Thank you for correcting me.
As for McFeely, I realize that's what the characters sound like. But Im not saying it is this site's translation fault, Im saying the japanese creator of the series mucked up on the translation of glide. Sorry, that I did not make my point out correctly. Also, I had some help and found out that Girudo translated into english is actually Guild. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 15:13, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:His name is actually spelled Girudō (ギルドー), which doesn't mean anything. In fact, I'd argue that his Japanese name should be spelled Gildor ([[Jarugar|there is precedent]]). -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:23, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yes, that is how it is spelled phoenetically. But I do believe you are wrong, for it does have a meaning[http://linear.mv.com/cgi-bin/j-e/dosearch?sDict=on&H=PS&L=J&T=girudo&WC=none&FG=w&BG=b&S=26]. 15:40, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Don't think you understood that: his name is Girudō, with a long "o" sound at the end, which is a different word from Girudo and obviously doesn't mean the same thing (it means nothing). -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:45, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::The site doesnt show the difference between long and short vowels. Also I have another site that corraborates the previous one's [http://www.animelab.com/anime.manga/dictionary?word=girudo&type=romaji&search=Normal]. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 15:55, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::[http://www.animelab.com/anime.manga/dictionary?word=%E3%82%AE%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89%E3%83%BC&type=kata&search=Normal Not quite.] You forgot the long vowel. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:36, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Okay, you have proven me wrong on that Detour. However, my resolve that it is the creator's intent to be Glide is steadfast. Actually Mazenoise's comment about it being -or, might mean he was going for Glider. So the translatioin of him not flying but gliding would make a bit more sense that way. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 16:46, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
::::It's still pure straw-grasping because his name is Gildo/Gildor. His name doesn't have to make sense, Gushar's didn't either, and only half of Gelshark's name made sense. To say nothing of Valdigus/Baldigus, Dangar, Dolrailer, Hepter and Greejeeber. The only Car Robots villains whose name made some aspect of sense have been Gas Skunk, Gigatron, Black Convoy and Shuttler. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:00, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Dude? No. If it was "Glider", the Katakana would be グライダー (''Guraidā''). ''Girudō'' (gee-roo-dohh or gee-r-dohh) is not and will never be a recognized transliteration of "Glider". (While we're at it, "Gildor" doesn't work, as that appears to sound like "Gilder". Word-ending "or", "ar", and "er" are all used for /ər/, which is represented in Katakana as ''ā''.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:52, 29 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Okay, Im not doubting everyone's (members of this website) ability to translate katakana and reasoning for how it should be. I do believe that the creator didn't know how to translate it properly though. As a side note, Interrobang and Chris McFeely, in my personal opinion, using the noun dude as a starter to any conversation makes you sound ignorant. But that is my opinion. And don't think I'm calling you dumb because that's not what it means. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 02:20, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Translate ''what''? Japanese use english words '''all the time'''. They may mangle their sentence structure every now and again and again (and again and again and again) but they tend to get the words right, especially when they put em down in katakana, since that's, y'know, based on the ''phonetic pronounciation'' and all. Dude. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:31, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::''Dude.'' And your opinion on what the intention of the name is, despite repeated explanations otherwise, makes you stupid. And that certainly isn't "my personal opinion". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:30, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Hey, dude, even if the creator didn't know how to translate Glide, we're still listing his name as Gildo because that's what his damn name is. (and it doesn't sound right to me to transliterate ō as just o, but OK, I believe it, and it's far from the only inconsistency with romanization) -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 03:48, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
:The fuck? If you want to figure out an English version of a Japanese name go and do that for [[Guiltaur]]. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 03:57, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
My opinion is my opinion, just like there are still people out there that believe the world is flat spite proof. I believe he possibly mucked up. And while in the beginning I was questioning wether it should be changed, Im not now, Mazenoise. Just cause they use english all the time doesnt also mean they use the proper katakana for it, because not everyone does well in English class over there and not everyone is gonna pay someone else to get the right way to say it either. And I think it was uncalled for all 3 of you to use the word "dude" in your comments just because of how I feel. It kinda makes you the aggressor and unwelcoming in a discussion that is meant to be a peaceful voicing of opinions. Sorry if I somehow pissed you off during this discussion.

Dead Metal does have a point, what was going through their heads when they came up with that awesome bot's name. Albeit, do you think it possible to avoid that language on a site that kids also visit, please? [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 11:17, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
:If you don't think it should be changed, then what exactly was your point? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 11:54, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
::For those that require clarification of what I clearly stated above, I will restate in a clear manner. Originally, I believe Gildo should have been changed to Glide. After that, I thought there should be a side note to his name stating it could possibly be Glide or Glidor. Finally, being convinced with logical points, I am not questioning his translated name. I hope this is clear enough to understand. But I will still believe that his name should be Glide or Glidor, but I'm not gonna question you guys anymore. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 12:53, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
:::And we will continue to believe you're stupid. (Because, goddamn, the name is pronounced GEE-ROO-DOHH, which does not fucking sound like "glider", [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%82%A4%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC which is already a fucking word in the Japanese language]. Not even a cursory glance at the letters that make up "glider" would cause you to move the "i" to between the "l" and "g", and then turn a very commonly used schwa sound with a "r" into a long "o". What part of "Katakana has very specific phonology" do you not understand?) You are imagining a failure on the part of the creators because you refuse to admit to your ignorance. Your ignorance in the beginning could have been excused. But, now? No. You're just being willfully stupid and stubborn. And take your prudishness to people who give a shit. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:46, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Then why do you care so much to keep correcting me, instead of leaving me in my ignorance. And getting so heated about it as well, along with kind of acting childish with "needing" to use such language in a ''discussion''. I should know because I usually get heated up in an argument when I try to persuade others to my point of view, but even in this I am not getting so pissed off. You talk about me being stubborn, but what about yourselves in convincing me that I'm wrong on the subject, which I fully realize they hypocracy I am saying. Fine, I'm acting prudish, but ya know acting like a jackass and using such vulgar ways of getting your point across, does not win arguments either. I'm trying to be level-headed and calm and collective about this discussion. And you're probably right, but to me I will remain in seeing the name as a bastardized use of katakana (by creator) to give him the name Glide or Glidor. So long, I will try not to converse with you guys as much as possible, but do not see this as a victory either. Just tired of wasting my time and energy with the.... Sorry, Im not wasting my time to even come up with a proper description for you all. [[Special:Contributions/68.33.114.43|68.33.114.43]] 14:15, 1 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Awwww, aren't you just '''adorable'''! --[[Special:Contributions/193.200.150.82|193.200.150.82]] 14:44, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

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:''The Turbo Racer is an [[Autobot]] [[Action Master]] vehicle from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Turbo Racer art.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A Ferrari Testarossa large enough to carry a [[Jackpot|regular-sized Ferrari Testarossa]] in the trunk. Wheeljack is a genius!]]

The '''Turbo Racer''' is the most versatile ground/air attack vehicle ever constructed. [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] created it and is the vehicle's primary operator. In its car mode it boasts an [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]-injected engine, cooled by liquid nitrogen-cooled, capable of accelerating the craft from 0 to 250 mph in just 3 seconds. It is armed with a rear-mounted cannon able to fire shrapnel and incendiary projectiles, along with Laser-strafer rifle. In jet fighter mode, it also packs a nose mounted proton missile launcher.

==Fiction==
===Commercial animation===
[[Image:Wheeljack turbo racer and sprocket attack cruiser.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]

[[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] used his [[Stratotronic Jet]] to strafe the Turbo Racer, along with [[Sprocket]]'s [[Attack Cruiser]], as it emerged from a tunnel. {{storylink|Commercial|Commercial}}

{{--}}
==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Action Master Wheeljack Turbo Racer Car.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
[[Image:Action Master Wheeljack Turbo Racer Jet.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
*'''Turbo Racer''' ([[Action Master]] Autobot Vehicle, 1990)
*''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: The Turbo Racer is a large red sports car based upon the Ferrari Testarossa that can seat two Action Master figures. The Turbo Racer has an "attack mode" where it transforms into something vaguely resembling an aircraft made from car parts. In this form, another set of foot pegs is revealed behind the top-mounted blaster, enabling a third Action Master figure to ride the vehicle as a gunner.

: It came with the Action Master figure of Wheeljack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on the Turbo Racer at TFU.info]''

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:''The Turbo Racer is an [[Autobot]] [[Action Master]] vehicle from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Turbo Racer art.jpg|right|300px|thumb|A Ferrari Testarossa large enough to carry a regular-sized Ferrari Testarossa in the trunk. Wheeljack is a genius!]]

The '''Turbo Racer''' is the most versatile ground/air attack vehicle ever constructed. [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] created it and is the vehicle's primary operator. In its car mode it boasts an [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]-injected engine, cooled by liquid nitrogen-cooled, capable of accelerating the craft from 0 to 250 mph in just 3 seconds. It is armed with a rear-mounted cannon able to fire shrapnel and incendiary projectiles, along with Laser-strafer rifle. In jet fighter mode, it also packs a nose mounted proton missile launcher.

==Fiction==
===Commercial animation===
[[Image:Wheeljack turbo racer and sprocket attack cruiser.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]

[[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]] used his [[Stratotronic Jet]] to strafe the Turbo Racer, along with [[Sprocket]]'s [[Attack Cruiser]], as it emerged from a tunnel. {{storylink|Commercial|Commercial}}

{{--}}
==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Action Master Wheeljack Turbo Racer Car.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
[[Image:Action Master Wheeljack Turbo Racer Jet.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
*'''Turbo Racer''' ([[Action Master]] Autobot Vehicle, 1990)
*''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: The Turbo Racer is a large red sports car based upon the Ferrari Testarossa that can seat two Action Master figures. The Turbo Racer has an "attack mode" where it transforms into something vaguely resembling an aircraft made from car parts. In this form, another set of foot pegs is revealed behind the top-mounted blaster, enabling a third Action Master figure to ride the vehicle as a gunner.

: It came with the Action Master figure of Wheeljack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on the Turbo Racer at TFU.info]''

[[Category:Action Master vehicles]]
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

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== Many Happy Returns ==

Heeeeey, this is pretty good. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:15, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:It's speedier than the old server, but there's still some wonkiness. For instance, every time I tried editing just this section I got a blank page, but editing the whole page seems to have worked. Also, I keep getting logged out. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:00, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::I can't even log in. What's going on? -- SFH (cannot log in) 18:01, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm thinking there may be some wonkiness related to cookies made before, or even ''during'' the transition. I did get some "session data lost" messages, but after a log out and a log back in, that seems to be resolved.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:06, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::So what exactly do I have to do to be able to log in? -- SFH (desperately trying to log in) 18:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You could try clearing your cache and deleting your cookies and see if that helps. Other than that, I'm not sure what to suggest. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT)--[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:23, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::What are you getting when you try to log in? A blank page? An error message? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::"Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage". Does that help? -- SFH (unable to log in) 19:00, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Welp, I'm on firefox, and I'm logged in, and I'm only editing this section and it's displaying right, so... I'm happy! /:) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:08, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, I tried Firefox, and it's working, but still not on Internet explorer. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:19, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Tried here with IE6. No problems logging in, but when I attempted to log out, I got a "Cannot find server or DNS Error" error. The second logout attempt worked, but then when I went to log in again, I got the same error.
:::::Deleting the tfwiki cookie fixed the problem and I was able to log in. In fact now I'm not having any problem at all logging in and out on IE6. The sidebar on the login pages appears messed up in IE though (tis cutting off in the middle of the navigation menu). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:39, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::What is this "Internet Explorer" you speak of? Is it a 3rd party browser? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:37, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm getting a lot of [http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1395/tfwikierror.png "The requested URL could not be retrieved"] messages, and the occasional blank page or "loss of session data", myself. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 19:47, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I occasionally get the message: ''Sorry! We could not process your edit due to a loss of session data. Please try again. If it still doesn't work, try logging out and logging back in.'' - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:13, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::So do I. And I did delete my tfwiki cookie, but I still get internet explorer cannot display the webpage. This is getting rediculous. -- SFH 20:18, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I have problems logging in, logging out and displaying the lefthand navigation and the user controls on top for the Recent Changes page: [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/NoBars.png] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:36, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::::That happens on other pages too, as it turns out. Like the new Nexus Maximus image, or [[Cryotek (TransTech)]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:41, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Trying to search for (not "Go" to) <tt>splinter</tt> or terms containing it such as <tt>splinter timeline</tt> gives a white screen of death. Also had trouble saving this post due to "a loss of session data". Trying hitting "Show preview" before "Save page" to see if that works...
[And shouldn't this be @ [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2]]? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]]
:Ask and ye shall etc. etc.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:36, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:Searching for "splinter" works for me! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:42, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::Still not working for me, and no number of Shift-F5 or Ctrl-F5 forced refreshes is making it so. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:47, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

So, I'm getting no top or side bars (including the discussion/edit/history part up top), and there's incomplete wikicode showing up at the bottom of this specific page. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:50, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, I'm getting that too - that means the page isn't fully loading, since they're at the bottom of the HTML. I can't get [[Unicron]] to fully load even the text for love nor money, and [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] is even worse. And I'm getting those "loss of session data" messages about a fifth of the time, meaning I have to (re-)preview or show changes, then save. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:34, 26 May 2009 (EDT)
::Unicron works for me, but not Optimus. I'm wondering if these problems are caused not by MediaWiki, but by Squid, which we're using for caching. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:05, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::It definitely IS problems with Squid, not MediaWiki itself; right now I'm really uncertain as to what's causing them. Unfortunately I can't just disable Squid, since the wiki buckles massively under the pressure without it. I'm trying to look into it, it's baffling, because the issues are seemingly at random. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:34, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::[http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/36221 This], while old, may be relevant as it seems to be about blank pages getting stuck in the Squid cache and a workaround. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:41, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::<s>Oh my god, I love you, that ''does'' seem to fix the problem. Thank you so much!</s> Apparently I spoke too soon. I guess this will need more work. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:17, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::I was just able to log in on Internet Explorer just now. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:41, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Which version of IE are you using? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:58, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::IE7. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:06, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

==Bugs still remaining==
I've been doing a lot of behind the scenes work for the past few days. For all the currently remaining bugs logged here, could I have confirmation for every one that's still outstanding, that it hasn't been fixed? Obviously the long pages are still causing issues, but for the others, I need to know if there really is still a major problem, and if so, how I can replicate it. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 16:59, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well, I get a '''lot''' of blank pages, including the login page. The weird part, though, is that when I access the wiki through the web proxy anonymouse.org (like I am right now), the wiki works just fine. No blank pages, no long pages not loading fully, just a wiki that works. Can't log in or use anything involving CAPTCHA, though, but that's because of the use of the proxy, not any of the wiki's problems. --[[Special:Contributions/193.200.150.152|193.200.150.152]] 17:17, 1 June 2009 (EDT) ([[User:Detour|Detour]])
:There's still a problem with the "loss of session data" message, although not as frequent as it was at its' peak, and an edit to [[Jazz (G1)/toys]] still gave me the old page until I Ctrl-F5ed it. The problem with replicating the errors is that most of them are transient and intermittent- they can happen on almost any page, and may or may not happen on any given load, with no obvious reason why it happens one time vs. another. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:33, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

:[[Paradron Medic]] is an example of a page which is currently coming up completely blank for me (on two different computers on different connections). If I log out, it works fine, log back in again, it's blank. Also still getting the "loss of session data" message when trying to save edits like right now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:33, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::I can see both that page and its' edit page while logged in. And got MANY "loss of session data" errors while trying to make this post. So much for "not as frequent"... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:39, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Soundwave (Shattered Glass)]] is now coming up blank for me as well. I have more information this time! The first time I loaded the page, the left-hand column was cut off before the goicon with the error message "Fatal error: Call to a member function children() on a non-object in /var/lib/mediawiki/skins/MonacoBook.php on line 165". When I hit reload, I got a completely blank page which no amount of reloading seems to change. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:59, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

:Internet Explorer 7 is still not working so far as being able to log in to the site goes. I'll add some more information under the bug report re some testing I've just done. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:47, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

We seem to be making little headway here. :( I noticed mentions while googling that a while back Wikia switched their caching software from Squid to [http://varnish.projects.linpro.no/ Varnish] (there's a relevant [http://swik.net/Varnish+MediaWiki configuration file here]) and wondered if it might be worth a try here. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 09:13, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Does "the site was just down for two solid hours" count as a "bug", I wonder... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:47, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:Not just that 2 hours, but it's been on and off for an hour or more at intervals over the past 10 hours. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:42, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::And three more hours in a row after you posted that... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:10, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I got sick and tired of waiting so I logged off. I've been able to make an hour's worth of editing work in 12 hours. That is not acceptable. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:31, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bug reports ==
===Can't edit some pages when logged in===
{{bug
|title=Can't edit some pages when logged in
|color=#fdc689
|name=[[User:Derik|Derik]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=Some pages (or even [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Colonel_Franklin&action=edit&section=0 ''sections'' of pages]) will always come up as '''white screens''' when I attempt to edit them-- but if I log out, they are editable.
*This does not appear browser of cookie-cache thing... the behavior repeats in Firefox, Safari, Opera and Chrome. (Did not bother testing IE.)
*Are ''other'' users able to edit these pages when logged in/out (use the Franklin-section link above to check.) Are the ''same'' pages whitescreening for all users experiencing this problem?
'''Current Workaround:''' Log out as needed. (Not ideal, may create problems for semi-protected pages.) 
'''More elaborate workaround:''' use the "revert" feature on the history page, this gets you into edit mode while bypassing the white-page. (Credit to Rosicrucian.)
|resolution=
}}

:I haven't explored any of these extensively, but I can give my experience of the past few hours, at least. All examples are from when I've been logged in on Firefox. Apologies in advance if this isn't the proper format for responding. Please feel free to rework as necessary.

:My attempt to review just the difference made by Derik's last edit to the [[Transformers Wiki:Community record|Community record]] page generated a white screen. To see the actual change he made, I had to link directly to the article, then its history page, then the "last" link for his edit.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:25, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

:I can no longer duplicate this. Has it been fixed? Also [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] is now loading fully every time... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:24, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

::I ''believe'' I've fixed it. I need to know if anyone can replicate the issue or not. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:37, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

:::This just cropped up again when I tried to edit some images. :( --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:10, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Which images? I need to know what I'm testing with. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:13, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::[[:Image:Moonracer vehicle.jpg]] and [[:Image:Moonracerg1.jpg]] are both currently giving me a blank page when I hit edit. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:29, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm currently having this problem editing talk pages -- [[User:Tupka86]][[Special:Contributions/82.72.66.241|82.72.66.241]] 06:04, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I ran into this again today, after not seeing it for a few days over Botcon. Has anyone else been running into it? (Has it always been here, or is it just appearing again?)
:::::::Obnoxiously, the page in question is now editable for me, but it wasn't 30 minutes ago. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

The sneakiest way I've found around this one is to do a revert, and while doing so paste all the text you're "reverting" back in so that you're not really reverting, then make your edits. It seems to work.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:10, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's even weirder... so there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the edit ''function'', even for that user of that page... just the edit ''mode'' for this user, for this page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:19, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::Like nearly everything we've had lately, it's caching. Squid treats the two of them as requests for different pages, because they're generated by (marginally) different URLs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:59, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::...why are calls to the "edit" page being cached?
:::There are some dynamic pages where I guess you COULD sorta justify caching them... mode=edit is not one of them. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:02, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::::There's a special "Cache-Control" header which MediaWiki is sending and Squid should be honouring to avoid such pages being cached. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:28, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I got a whitepage on [[Dropshot (Universe)]] earlier today. Not editing the page... just trying to view it. I had to log out to view the page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:54, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

===Persistent "loss of session data" error when saving edits.===
{{bug
|title=Persistent "loss of session data" error when saving edits.
|color=#fff799
|name=[[User:Derik|Derik]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description='''Normally''' if you try to save a page and your session has "Done Something Funky" since you began editing it, Mediawiki gives you a preview instead an an edit, and prompts you to re-save again, whereupon the problem has repaired itself. 
'''Now''' it simply gives you Session Error after Session Error-- the page remains impossible to save.
'''Workaround:''' Copy the text of your edit, go back to the page and click 'edit' again. You will now be able to save. (This error seems to hinge on the 'time you began editing' timestamp not re-setting itself if there was a problem.)
|resolution= (Low priority)
}}

:I had a problem like that a few hours ago with editing the [[Ruckus (Shattered Glass)]] page. I was able to open and edit the page, but once I was done and clicked "save", it returned a blank white page, ignoring several attempts to refresh. When I checked the Recent Changes list, though, I saw my edit listed, so I didn't bother to mess with it further.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:25, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::Whitepage with the edit going through would be a slightly different sort of error. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Actually, the easiest workaround for this is to hit "Show preview" or "Show changes", THEN save. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:02, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

This is getting worse. When I was reverting Derik's dicking around there, it was taking five or six attempts to get the page to actually save. (May take the same here. 2...) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:29, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:Same here. I keep getting loss of session data errors even when I click "show preview" and then "save page". --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:00, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

::It happens to me now when using FireFox. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:34, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I am getting very angry about this. I can hardly ever save any edit without a session error coming up. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:20, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

===Some pages not loading fully===
{{bug
|title=Some pages not loading fully
|color=#f26c4f
|name=[[User:abates|abates]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=Large pages ([[Optimus Prime (G1)]], [[Unicron]]) may not load fully, losing the bottom part of the page and the website kibble. The location of the cut-out point varies if the page is reloading, suggesting that Squid isn't caching the partial page and is possibly timing out when trying to retrieve the article.
|resolution=
}}

:Definitely getting this problem. Repeated refreshes of [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]'s page got the browser to cycle through several different cut-off versions of the page, some more complete than others, but none past about halfway through the IDW Comics Continuity section.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 06:25, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

::This does not seem to represent a hard limit-- running action=purge on the OP page kept giving me slightly different 'lengths.'
::Is this caused by the condom on our clownfish? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:08, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I have trouble loading the full 500 changes on the Recent Changes page. Takes several reloads for the entire page to load. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::::This is getting intolerable. Now when I click "edit" at the top pages, half of the time I get a blank white screen. This is especially annoying when I want to edit several sections in an article at once, or I want to edit the top section of an article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:35, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'm with you. I far too often either get blank screens or incomplete page loads. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:17, 31 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm also getting all of these problems a LOT. (using Firefox, FWIW.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:17, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::This is completely unacceptable. Not only are our friends Database Error and Server Not Bloody Working coming to visit, we can't even load the pages properly when the server is working. What the hell? What in the fucking hell? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:16, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

===Problems logging in/browsing while logged in with IE7===
{{bug
|title=Problems logging in/browsing while logged in with IE7
|color=#fff799
|name=[[User:abates|abates]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=In Internet Explorer 7, when loading the login page/after logging in/browsing while logged in, pages would load and display then abruptly switch to a screen saying "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage". Problem appears to be related to Google analytics, as the one time this didn't happen was when a page didn't load fully and was broken off partway through the Google Analytics code. Problem does not seem to occur while logged out however. Purged cache and cookie files, but problem recurred after logging in.
'''Current workaround:''' Use an alternate browser,
|resolution=
}}

:Looks like this is now fixed. I'm not having any problems with the site in IE7 (other than the layout problems which were there before!) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:50, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not fixed for me. I can look at any page on the Wiki...so long as I don't try to log in. Then I get the above error and NONE of the pages will load until I exit out and then re-enter the Wiki. (Xaaron) --[[Special:Contributions/70.185.107.140|70.185.107.140]] 10:40, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

More interesting facts about this bug!
*The problem (trying to load a page in IE7 and getting a "Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage" error) does not start occurring until you do one of the following:
**Access [[Special:Userlogin]]
**Save an edit to a page (while logged out).
*Once you trigger the problem by doing one of those, some pages will load, a few will partially load but stop halfway through the HTML, and many will give the error. Pages in the Special: namespace seem to particularly reliably give the error.
*If you exit out of IE7 and restart it, the problem goes away (until you do one of the triggers above).
*Meanwhile, in IE6, the login page refuses to load fully (as does the logout page). This may well be related to the IE7 problem.

So, something to do with the sessions, but I know not what. Equally, why no other browser has any problem with this is a mystery. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:24, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:In IE6, the above all applies, however instead of getting the "cannot display" error, you get a page which is cut off right after the title. And sometimes it gets into an infinite loop of reloading the page by itself, as though it's infinitely redirecting to the page it's already on. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:25, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::For the IE6 problem, I don't want to get *too* smug, but it's a dead browser, it's chock full of bugs, and even Microsoft is trying their hardest to go back in time and kill it with a shovel. As for IE7, well, here's the real fun part: Try reloading the login page, and then hit the Back button. Somehow, THAT magically gets us back to the proper page, and you *do* see it flicker before dumping to error. Something must be breaking the rendering on IE7, and Browser Holy Wars aside, that IS a showstopping bug. My money's on the Squid cache, so that's where I'm going to start looking. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 10:32, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::What bugs? Before the Wiki moved, I never had ''any'' problems with ''any'' website using IE6. --[[Special:Contributions/193.200.150.82|193.200.150.82]][[User:Detour|Detour]]

===Database Error===
{{bug
|title=Database Error
|color=#fff799
|name=[[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=Some pages are randomly showing as "Database Error"s rather than the pages (with full Wiki skin, plus the page categories. This shows as:<blockquote style="background:#eeefff">Database error ''[as page header, in place of the title]''
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doinsert". MySQL returned error "1213: Deadlock found when trying to get lock; try restarting transaction (localhost)".</blockquote>This ''appears'' to resolve itself for that specific page within a few minutes, but then recurs elsewhere.
'''Current workaround:''' Wait a few minutes, then refresh the page
|resolution=
}}

:Most of the google results for this seem to be for MediaWiki version 1.13.0. I haven't found any talking about it with 1.12.0 which offered a resolution, other than the suggestion of turning on memcached. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:40, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm getting these fucking errors every time I try to make a large edit. What the hell does this server want? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:15, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Please reserve additions to bug reports to actual information, and not swear-laden complaints. This bug doesn't really require any browser/OS info, but *dates and times* are incredibly helpful. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 10:35, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

===Pages not changing after save===
{{bug
|title=Pages not changing after save
|color=#fff799
|name=[[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=I've had several cases now where a page has saved after an edit, but I get the original/unmodified page back on the post-save load. I have to force-reload it to see the edited page
'''Current workaround:''' Shift-F5/Ctrl-F5 the page
|resolution=
}}
:That sounds like a problem with the new caching module to me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:27, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

===Top and side areas don't show up on the Recent Changes page, as well as some others.===
{{bug
|title=Top and side areas don't show up on the Recent Changes page, as well as some others.
|color=#fdc689
|name=[[User:Detour|Detour]]
|date=May 28, 2009
|status=open
|description=I haven't tested this on other browsers, but on IE6 when I go to the Recent Changes page neither the side bar with the GoBox and the Search or the top bar with the user ops and the "Special page" header load. [http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/NoBars.png Here's how it looks.] It was actually working from... around the end of the afternoon/start of the evening. Stopped working again some time past midnight (the same as other recurring problems such as blank pages). On occasion it doesn't show up on other pages, which means I can't use the Edit and Discussion tabs on there.
|resolution=
}}

:Gah! Looks like the IE7 problem and the [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] problem have come back as well! WTF?! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:27, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::Sometimes also happens on Safari. [[User:Tupka86]][[Special:Contributions/82.72.66.241|82.72.66.241]] 06:04, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::This is definitely caused by the page not loading entirely. It cuts off while loading the article/recent changes list, and doesn't even get to the side and top bars. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:50, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

===Database error when saving article===
{{bug
|title=Database error when saving article
|color=#fff799
|name=[[User:abates|abates]]
|date=May 29, 2009
|status=open
|description=I don't know how widespread this problem is, as I've only gotten it while editing [[User_talk:Magnus_Maximus]]. When saving the page, I get:
<blockquote style="background:#eeefff">A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: 
 
(SQL query hidden) 
 
from within function "EmailNotification::actuallyNotifyOnPageChange". MySQL returned error "2006: MySQL server has gone away (localhost)".</blockquote>

After a couple of attempts, I was able to save the edit. Haven't had any problems with any other pages - could be because the page has a watch or something set on it?
|resolution=
}}

:I've encountered this issue quite often myself. I am increasingly turned off from editing this site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:18, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

==Resolved issues==
===Faction icons invisible for me===
{{bug
|title=Faction icons invisible for me
|color=#7cc576
|name=[[User:Starfield|Starfield]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=fixed
|description=Self explanatory
|resolution= '''FIXED'''
}}

:The template is actually rendering correctly, the problem appears to be on the javascript-end. Either the code didn't get ported, or was deactivated while Scout was testing stuff or one of the MW Javascript-functions it depends on changed slightly witht he MegiaWiki version upgrade, and the code now needs tweaking.
:Other Javascript (like the search-suggest) is working. And... KiredTools is '''not'''?
:Did the name of the default skin change when we moved servers? Or maybe it's the post-body error output that's screwing up KiredTools loading... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:28, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::I very distinctly remember that they ''were'' working before. I'll put good money on it being the latter. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:54, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:::''There.'' --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:12, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Awesome. That fixes the other Javascript problems I was having too, they're all running now! -10:04, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

===Error messages in search-suggest===
{{bug
|title=Error messages in search-suggest
|color=#7cc576
|name=[[User:Derik|Derik]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=When typing in the search box, the following error message appears below the suggestions: <tt>'''Fatal error:''' Unknown: Cannot find save handler mm in '''Unknown''' on line '''0'''</tt>
|resolution=Resolved: see below.
}}

==="Line 0" error in ''action=raw'' output===
{{bug
|title="Line 0" error in ''action=raw'' output
|color=#7cc576
|name=[[User:Derik|Derik]]
|date=May 27, 2009
|status=open
|description=When viewing a page's content in RAW mode, the error
<tt>'''Fatal error:''' Unknown: Cannot find save handler mm in '''Unknown''' on line '''0'''</tt> is appended. 
'''Example:''' Content of [[Image_talk:Animated_carerra.jpg]] in [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Image_talk:Animated_carerra.jpg&action=raw&ctype=text/css raw] mode, and in normal [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Image_talk:Animated_carerra.jpg&action=edit edit]mode. 
''(The text of the error is suggestive of caching, which makes me think this might be important.)''
|resolution= '''Fixed.''' Cause...?
}}

:Egads, a google suggests that's a PHP problem [http://www.torrentflux.com/forum/index.php?topic=4053.0] [http://www.phpbuilder.com/board/showthread.php?t=10327521] [http://forums.oscommerce.com/index.php?showtopic=181028&mode=linear] Also I presume this is what's causing the error on the search suggestions, so the two bugs are essentially one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:13, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

:Actually, Derik, that's there on all pages, not just action=raw mode - look at the ''very'' bottom left of any page (you may have to highlight to see it, since it comes out as black text). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:28, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
::It appears at the bottom of the stylesheet/javascript files as well, which I'm sure isn't helping things. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:56, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

:::Fixed ~May 28th. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:58, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::::This does actually still occur in a few places (e.g. if you use [[Special:Export]], the resulting xml file has the error at the bottom) but I haven't seen anywhere where it causes a major problem. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:28, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

Killzone

2009-06-03T22:22:23Z

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{{Factions|decepticon}}
:''Killzone is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]] (via [[Timelines]]).''

[[Image:Killzonedefeated.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Oh? All right, we'll call it a draw.]]
Flee, puny fleshlings! Cower before the might of '''Killzone'''! My hip-mounted cannon will reduce your edifices to ruin, and in vehicle mode I will grind your crops beneath my treads!

Or not.

==Fiction==
===''Classics''===
Killzone's ship crashed into the moderately industrialized but [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]]-rich planet [[Zegris]], leaving him stranded with no apparent hope of aid. Killzone made the best of it, going on a weeklong rampage which devastated half of the planet's second largest continent. In the midst of his assault on the [[Zegrin]] capital, [[Zoruul]], [[Jackpot|two]] [[Hubcap (G1)|Autobots]] fell through a seemingly random interdimensional portal and crushed him just before he could wipe out the Zegrins' high priest [[Yurgeth]].

It is unknown what became of Killzone once the Zegrin had been liberated, but he probably wasn't too happy about it. {{storylink|Gone Too Far}}

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Springer (disambiguation)

2009-06-01T07:42:49Z

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The name '''Springer''' refers to multiple concepts in ''Transformers''.

*'''1929''' — [[Frank Springer]], artist for the [[Marvel Comics]] [[Headmasters (comic)|''Headmasters'' 4-issue miniseries]].

*'''1986''' — [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] the [[Autobot]] [[Triple Changer]] and member of the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] from [[Generation 1]].

*'''2009''' — [[Springer (Animated)|Springer]] the Autobot martial artist from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.

*'''2009''' — [[Springer (ROTF)|Springer]] the Autobot military prop plane from ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.

"Springer" should not be confused with

* [[Hopper]]

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Arcee (SG)

2009-06-01T07:41:56Z

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Rosanna (Animated)

2009-05-31T23:15:50Z

193.200.150.82: Wrong place for the bolding. --Detour, who's in the same predicament as Spengs right now...

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{{disambig2|the animated fembot|the Kiss Players cassette-bot|Rosanna (G1)}}
:''Rosanna is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Animated_rosanna.jpg|right|thumb]]
'''Rosanna''' is a [[Female Transformer]]. That's all we really know about her... so far.
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==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
Rosanna was part of the crowd cheering on the return of [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel "Magnus"]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with a trio of [[Decepticon]] prisoners. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

==Notes==
* Rosanna was revealed along with [[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]] on the cover of ''[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club]]'' [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 26|#26]].
* For an April Fool's image [http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2009/03/april-fools.html posted on his blog], ''Animated'' art director [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] recolored Rosanna's [[character model]] to look like an ''Animated'' version of the [[Rosanna (G1)|original Rosanna]]'s look-a-like, [[Flip Sides]].

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