Talk:Transformers Hall of Fame

2010-08-05T22:35:23Z

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== Characters ==

Just out of curiosity, what do they mean by the "character" [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]]? Or is it more of a "name" than a character to be inducted? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:27, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
:To Hasbro, I think they are all pretty much the same character, just reimaged from time to time. Probably even Primal. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:41, 26 March 2010 (EDT)
::That's what I figured. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:50, 26 March 2010 (EDT)

== Jazz' bio ==

"Before OPTIMUS PRIME became leader of the AUTOBOTS, he was known as Orion Pax and AUTOBOT JAZZ was his closest friend." You ''could'' read that as saying Jazz is Dion. Ow. Brain hurting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:I know that was in jest, but it's still a can of worms we shouldn't open. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 11:04, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I regretted it as soon as that anon tried to add it to the article. Besides, everyone knows Dion is Huffer. ;)--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:16, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::You know, I used to be kinda looking forward to this Hall of Fame thing, even if I was slightly bitter many of my favourites will never make it. Three bios in and only Grimlock's I consider marginally readable. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:37, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

== Faction icon ==

We could use a faction icon for Hall of Fame members. At least the creators. It might be difficult for the characters since they are continuity nonspecific. What should the picture be? Just a star? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:43, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Mistake on Hasbro press release with Japanese designer names? ==

On the wiki, we usually use names and make articles with them in the western style (given name first, family name second). However, on Hasbro's press release they display Hideaki Yoke's name in the Japanese style (surname first, given name second), and then go on to refer to his first name as if it's his surname. Kojin Ohno's name is inconsistently displayed in the western style, but they correctly refer to Ohno as his surname (at least [http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fl20060319x3.html according to this english-language article] uses "Ohno" as his surname). Did Hasbro screw up? Somebody has already listed Kojin Ohno's named in the western style, but linked it in the Japanese style. Finally, while searching for info, it seems most of the internet spells Kojin Ohno's name as "Koujin". Now I don't know what source to trust, unless Kojin Ohno and Koujin Ohno are two different people. Erm, halp, people with actual experience in Japanese. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:Just inconsistent romanization. The [http://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%A4%A7%E9%87%8E%E5%85%89%E4%BB%81+%E3%81%8A%E3%81%86%E3%81%AE%E3%81%93%E3%81%86%E3%81%98%E3%82%93&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a search results] for Ōno-san's name in both kanji and hiragana bear out that the vowel is extended for both his first and last name. So with our adopted standard of using macrons to indicate extended Japanese vowels, we'd write it Kōjin Ōno. And yeah, whoever wrote the Hasbro article also goofed on Yoke-san's name.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:56, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::Okay, I'm confused - in english, without the whole asian naming convention thing, is Kojin is surname or his given name? What about article titles? A lot of the Takara designer articles I created were straight up english interpretations of their names (mainly according to how Sydneyy spelled them in his translated Takara designer interviews on TFW2005). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:30, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Kojin is the given name. Can you list/link to the translated interviews Sydney worked on at TFW? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Sorry, I had a Senior Senility Moment. I've fixed the name order in my previous response here, so as to make it easier reading later on, but for the record, I had it in Asian order and misused Ōno-san's first name as his last name. I hang my head in shame for not taking a second to transpose the names from the way they're written in the search results.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 04:52, 17 May 2010 (EDT)

== Dinobot & Scott McNeil ==

I don't think there was any blunder on Hasbro's part. There was no speaking for any of the other characters. Peter Cullen just accepted his award as himself, the voice actor of Optimus Prime. He was nominted in name. While Scott is a good reason Dinobot won the award, he is not Dinobot. Why should Dinobot get someone to speak as the character when none of the other inductees did? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:41, 2 July 2010 (EDT)
: Exactly. It would have been bad form and something of an upstaging of Cullen, one of the actual inductees, to have McNeil go up to accept an award as a character when none of the other characters received speeches. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

== What incarnations? ==

The Botcon tribute videos, perhaps not inaccurately for the general public and layman TFan, portray the G1, UT, Movie and Animated versions of Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee and Starscream as the same character. Should we add the HOF insignia to [[Optimus Prime (Armada)]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]], [[Optimus Prime (Animated)]], [[Megatron (Animated)]], [[Megatron (Movie)]], [[Starscream (Armada)]], [[Starscream (Movie)]], [[Starscream (Animated)]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)]], and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]]? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:41, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:I thought we had already decided to do so. I know there was a discussion on the community portal a while back. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, that these awards were being considered a blanket award to every version of the character was known as far back as the voting process. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:02, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Understood, but should we add the HOF logo to the aforementioned pages or not? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:11, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't see why not. Surprised they haven't been already. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::The Optimus shelf included his Shattered Glass toy. Should we put the icon on everybody's SG analogues as well? And conspicuously absent were the WFC toys (and thus Prime incarnations) of Megs, OP, and BB--so should we leave those analogues out? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:55, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I can understand that since they're not part of a celebration of a 25-year old legacy. Were the RID characters included the final video of the night or in a display? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:03, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I would expect to include every Optimus Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee, and Starscream ever. That's clearly the intent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:08, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I wouldn't expect it to include BW Megs, but other than that everybody. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:18, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::And probably not [[Dinobot (Transmetal)]], either. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:20, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Why not? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::::They're vastly different characters. I doubt even Hasbro considers the G1 and Beats Wars incarnations of Megatron to be the same character, since they both appeared in the same series. The 2 Dinobots could be argued to be basically the same character, I suppose, especially with Dinobot II's heroic sacrifice and all that. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]]
:::::::::If Hasbro flags Dinobot II as being Dinobot, I don't see why the "other" Dinobot doesn't get to come along for the ride as well, especially since Starscreams can also be pretty different. "Dinobot" is in the Hall of Fame, same as "Bumblebee," "Optimus Prime," "Megatron," and "Starscream." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:57, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I just watched the Hall of Fame videos for Dinobot and Megatron, and the Dinobot video did, indeed, include Dinobot II. The Megatron video, however, did not include Beast Wars Megatron; it only had the G1, Movie and Animated incarnations. Take that as you will. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:09, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Exactly, besides, the ''Beast Wars'' version of the inducted Megatron is [[:Image:G1Megatron MasterBlaster stasislock.jpg|this guy]]. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:30, 5 August 2010 (EDT)
Most importantly... does anybody know the name of the songs for each hall of fame video?

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