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Movie Prequel issue 2

2009-11-09T18:35:16Z

206.253.51.107: /* Items of note */

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|title=
|image=Prime Directives 2a.jpg
|caption=Megatron's first, and last hockey lesson
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[March 21]], [[2007]]
|story=[[Chris Ryall]]
|script by=[[Simon Furman]] and Chris Ryall
|art by=[[Don Figueroa]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]], [[Mark Bristow]]
|letters by=[[Robbie Robbins]]
|edits by=[[Dan Taylor]]
|continuity=[[Movie continuity]]
}}
'''Our world.'''

== Synopsis ==
In his inner monologue, Megatron recounts how he began the war, not to conquer [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], but to possess the [[All Spark]]. Despite Megatron's determination to gain the All Spark, Optimus Prime was just as determined to stop him, eventually jettisoning the All Spark into space and condemning Cybertron to death. Megatron muses that he and Prime are not all that different. Locating the All Spark on [[Earth]], the [[Decepticon]] leader loses contact with it upon reentry. Heading to the north pole, Megatron crashes through the ice. Low on [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] and with his safety buffers exhausted, Megatron goes into stasis.

Millennia later, in 1897, the National Arctic Circle Expedition under [[Archibald Witwicky]] discovers something within the ice. Witwicky is driven blind and insane by what he sees, but his tales attract the interest of a group of spooks, who begin unearthing Witwicky's "Ice Man". Six years later, a Cube is discovered with [[Cybertronian languages|symbols]] similar to those on the Ice Man.

In 2003, the [[Hubble Space Telescope]] tracks an impact on [[Mars]]. [[Sector Seven]], hoping to find raw materials to <s>exploit</s> examine, plans to secure their new visitor.

Bumblebee.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (1)
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
|c2=
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] (2)
* [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] (3)
|c3=
* [[Danco]] (5)
* [[Archibald Witwicky]] (6)
}}

== Errors ==
* Yet another case of galaxy/[[solar system]] confusion, as Megatron claims he traveled across "countless solar spans, through myriad galaxies, nebulae and systems". That's a bit like saying "I've searched the whole city, through myriad planets, states and cities."

== Items of note ==
* [[Sector Seven]]'s headquarters as seen on page 15 features several interesting artifacts, among them what looks like blueprints of a [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]-like flying saucer, a map of Skull Island from the Peter Jackson ''King Kong'' movie and a fragment of a [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]] inside a trophy case.
* A bot matching [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]]'s appearance is seen fighting in the flashback war scenes........ only as a Decepticon. Then again, it may be a Decepticon [[Drone Unit (Movie)|Longarm drone unit]], as there was another one exactly like it standing not far away. But how do we explain the lack of one eye...

===Covers (3)===
—''all by Don Figueroa''

* '''Cover A:''' Megatron in ice
* '''Cover B:''' Decepticon symbol
* '''Cover RI:''' Uncolored sketch of cover A
<gallery>
Image:Prime Directives 2a.jpg|Cover A
Image:Prime Directives 2b.jpg|Decepticons rule!
Image:Prime Directives 2ri.jpg|Cover RI
</gallery>

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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-10-31T17:33:41Z

206.253.51.107: /* Story */

{{Note|'''HEY EVERYONE!''' [[Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|Click here and read this '''BEFORE''' editing]]!}}
{{cleanup|July 2009|This is clearly not up to our standards}}

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The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay. It was developed by [[Krome Studios]], and shares a few developers with the [[Transformers (Melbourne House)|earlier ''Armada''-based game]], Krome having acquired [[Melbourne House]], the company that developed the ''Armada'' game, in 2006. <ref>http://videogames.yahoo.com/news-1325222</ref>. Also, it is known for being panned by critics because of not much transforming, linear levels and repetive gameplay.

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent satellite is just floating around, but a [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[NEST]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

'''Chapter 1: Optimus Invades'''

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a NEST gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the NEST gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

'''Chapter 2: Ironhide vs. Demolishor'''

[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] blows up and smashes his way through numerous Decepticon drones, eventually jumping between walls onto a rooftop and winning a shootout with Decepticon long range warriors. Ironhide jumps off the building onto the street, toppling a tower crane with his light weapon as [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] is under it. This knocks Demolishor into a pit, where he appears to be digging for something. Ironhide takes out Demolishor's top wheel and finally kills the larger Decepticon with three punches to the head.

'''Chapter 3: Pursuit Over Shanghai'''

[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] transforms and calls for assistance, warning that he's found [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]. As he runs through the city streets, several Decepticon soldiers swoop down and open fire. Returning fire, Bumblebee ducks behind a bus, which explodes. As he continues, Bumblebee finds that Sideways is on top of the taller buildings of [[Shanghai|the city]]. Leaping from wall to wall, Bumblebee reaches the top of a tower and dispatches two more Air Warriors. As he continues atop the buildings, Bumblebee blasts any Decepticon in his way and finally reaches Sideways...

'''Chapter 4: Sideways Goes to Ground'''

...who calls [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], asking for a little help. Bumblebee replies that Sideways will need a lot of help, as he is close enough to hear the Decepticon's whining transmission. Sideways transforms into his alternate form and races through Shanghai's busy streets. As he is about to escape from Bumblebee, Sideways is intercepted by a fire truck, which transforms into an Autobot warrior. Transforming into robot form, Sideways returns fire and ends the miserable Autobot's life. As more Autobots intercept Sideways, waves of Decepticons assault the Autobots. Soundwave has sent backup. Inches from Sideways, Bumblebee transforms...and Sideways is carried away by Starscream. Growling, Bumblebee turns to Optimus and apologizes, saying that they got away...
{{stub}}

== Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable|c1=
'''[[Autobot]]s'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''[[Decepticon]]s'''
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
|h2=Nonplayable|c2=
'''Autobots'''
* [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Autobot ranged Warrior]]*
* Autobot ranged Lieutenant
* [[Hot Spot (ROTF)|Autobot ranged Captain]]
* Autobot melee Warrior
* Autobot melee Lieutenant
* [[Blazemaster|Autobot melee Captain]]
'''Decepticons'''
* Decepticon ranged Warrior
* Decepticon ranged Lieutenant
* [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Decepticon ranged Captain]]
* Decepticon melee Warrior
* [[Thrust (ROTF)|Decepticon melee lieutenant]]
* Decepticon melee Captain
}}

*The ranged Warriors look a lot like Breakaway, but they are blue.

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].
* While on the first game, cars (and humans) seemed nearly invincible until you shot them, in this game, if you so much as ''step on'' a car, it ''explodes''.
* Jetfire can beat the ''snot'' out of Decepticons by ''stepping on them''!
===Differences with the Movie===

Krome was clearly writing the game on a different planet than the Movie's script.

* Sideways doesn't die in Shanghai.
* Ironhide, rather than Optimus, kills Demolishor.
* Instead of the forest, Megatron wounds Optimus in the Decepticon base.
* Optimus does not die, but is damaged.
* The Fallen appears to be in total command of the Decepticons even before Megatron revives, as he is the one calling the shots.
* Sam and Mikaela aren't in the game, except for a brief phone conversation with Optimus, and even then, it is only their voices.
* Optimus kills The Fallen by putting him in front of the Star Harvester's beam.
* The battle with Devastator happens in the ''first'' battle. While Optimus, Ironhide, and Bumblebee are cleaning up in Shanghai, Devastator appears out of nowhere and attacks.
* Also, Optimus Prime, rather than a railgun, kills Devastator.
* Instead of looking for the Matrix, The Fallen looks for pieces of the Harvester, saying he already has the Matrix. We...probably don't want to know what that means.
* Instead of being trapped in the Smithsonian, [[Jetfire]] is in the Decepticon base.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersgame.com/ Official website]

Drone Unit (Movie)

2009-10-24T18:20:11Z

206.253.51.107: /* Drone Types */

{{move|Drone (Movie)|Does sound QUITE a bit better}}
[[Image:Tf2007game_longarm-decepticon.jpg|thumb|200px|Three friggin versions of [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], and not one of me?]]
'''Drones''' are a type of non-[[spark]]ed transformer in the [[live-action film series]]

==Drone Types==

[[Image:Scrapper_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|No, I'm not [[Scrapper (ROTF)|that Scrapper!]] Or [[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]].]]
===[[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]] type===

Scrapper is the weakest of the drones, and ironically, the only one with melee weapons. His vehicle mode is a forkilft, and the forks turn into blades, which they use to bash Autobots or Decepticons. The Autobot type is red and has a faceplate and eyes, like all the drones. The Decepticon type is orange with a camera lens. They also have missile launchers built in their arms.
They are also the smallest drones, small enough that, in order to kill them, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] must lean all the way down. They are slightly shorter than Jazz, and even he has little trouble defeating them.
{{-}}
[[Image:Swindle_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|]]
===[[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] type===

Slightly taller than Scrapper and shorter than Dropkick, Swindle units transform into sports cars. They like to hang around Tranquility -- in the daytime they stay by themselves and hide in vehicle mode, waiting to ambush Bumblebee. In the middle of the night, they pair up, obviously because Optimus Prime would cut through one of them like sushi. In fact, he cuts through two of them like two pieces of sushi.
[[Image:Autobotdrone_mixnmatch.jpg|thumb|left|I'm red? Huh?]]
Their main weapon is their arm-mounted missile blaster, although their usual strategy is to pick up the nearest object (even their allies) and throw it at you.
Like all drones, the Autobots have faces, the Decepticons have lenses. The Decepticon drones are crimson red, while the Autobots are bright green.
{{-}}
[[Image:Dropkick_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|I'm not usually silver.]]
===[[Dropkick]] type===

The Dropkick drones are fairly powerful—stronger than [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindles]], but less powerful than [[Payload (Movie)|Class Beta Drones]]. Their usual attacks involve tossing anything nearby at the Autobot (or Decepticon) they are fighting. They transform into pickups.
Powerful as they are, the Dropkicks are easily defeated, especially by the likes of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. [[Springer (G1)|It isn't hard to knock them down, it's getting them to stay down that's hard.]]

{{-}}
[[Image:Dreadwing_head.jpg|thumb|left|Hi.]]
===[[Class Alpha drone unit|Class Alpha]] type===

The Class Alpha Drones are similar to their leader, [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]], in many ways. Their main weapon is shooting fire out of their hands, which can be used to deadly effect. They are definitely some of the most powerful units and can easily defeat even [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. The Autobot versions are blue and only appear to harass Starscream while he is in a military base. They transform into large jets.

A mass of purple Class-Alphas can be seen in an [[Transformers Comic issue 9|alternate reality]].

{{-}}
[[Image:Payload_head.jpg|thumb|right|KABOOM, BABY!]]
===[[Class Beta drone unit|Class Beta]] type===
Class Beta drones are also among the most powerful of all drones. Their only attack is to charge straight at their enemies, ramming their shoulders into their enemy's gut and sending them flying.
[[Image:Titan11_Bonecrusher.jpg|250px|thumb|left|Hi, we're behind [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|the hater]].]]
They transform into SWAT trucks and are usually easy to spot in a crowd. Even Optimus cannot easily defeat them.

During an alternate timeline, there were red ones. They carried rifles.

{{-}}
[[Image:Longarm_head.jpg|thumb|left|He probably doesn't defeat [[Ruination (ROTF)|Ruination]].]]
===[[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] type===
Longarms are slightly weaker than Payload drones, strong enough to defeat Bumblebee, Barricade, or Ironhide, but unable to stop Optimus or Megatron. In robot mode, they are slightly taller than Bumblebee or Ironhide, but much shorter than Optimus.

{{-}}
[[Image:Mixmaster_head.jpg|thumb|right|Like [[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]], I'm not that [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]. But I'm more like my ROTF counterpart than him.]]
===[[Mixmaster (Movie)|Mixmaster]] type===
Mixmaster units could be even more powerful than Payloads, if that is possible. They transform into cement mixers and cannot be stopped once they start moving. The only way to defeat them is to throw something at them, pick them up, and toss them high into the sky.

{{-}}
[[Image:Thundercracker_Titan10.jpg|thumb|left|Yeah...I'm not usually a drone]]
===[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] type===

Little is known about the Thundercracker-type units beyond the fact that they only appear in a few issues of Titan's ''Transformers'' magazine. They appear to be modeled after the Movie Thundercracker toy. However, as Thundercracker has not appeared as a drone since then, it is possible that they only appear in the Titan alternate reality.

{{-}}
[[Image:TwilightsLastGleaming1.JPG|thumb|right|Wait, who am I?]]
===Ground-troop type===

These mystery drones appear similarly to [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], with a strange, greenish color. They wield laser rifles, and serve [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] as ground warriors. Not much else is known about them...

{{-}}
===[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] type===

Though this strange unit may or may not be a drone, it is most likely that he is, as he is seen working under [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] during a raid on France. He is the only one of his kind seen during the attack, but there might be more lurking in the shadows...

He (they?) must not be confused with the [[Starscream (Movie)|actual Starscream]].

==Toys==

[[Image:Movie_Deluxe_Swindle_toy1.jpg|thumb|right]]
*'''Swindle''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dropkick''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Payload''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dreadwing''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Salvage''' (Deluxe, 2008)

*'''Thundercracker''' (Voyager, 2007)

==Trivia==
* Many of the drones do some stupid things during their existence. If fighting Bumblebee in the power plant, they tend to throw power generators, which proceeds to blow up everything -- including them.
* Some of the drones are references to other people. The Autobot Dropkicks are obviously Salvage, Scrappers kind of get a toy in the Revenge of the Fallen line as Dirt Boss, and the Autobot Dreadwings' blue color is used later in the Revenge of the Fallen Wii/PS2 games on the Autobot long-range warriors, which are essentialy blue Breakaways.
==See also==
* [[Class Alpha drone unit]]
* [[Class Beta drone unit]]

[[Category: Live-action film series]]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-10-19T19:23:25Z

206.253.51.107: /* Quotes */

{{Note|'''HEY EVERYONE!''' [[Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|Click here and read this '''BEFORE''' editing]]!}}
{{cleanup|July 2009|This is clearly not up to our standards}}

{{nav-rotf-game}}

The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay. It was developed by [[Krome Studios]], and shares a few developers with the [[Transformers (Melbourne House)|earlier ''Armada''-based game]], Krome having acquired [[Melbourne House]], the company that developed the ''Armada'' game, in 2006. <ref>http://videogames.yahoo.com/news-1325222</ref>

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent satellite is just floating around, but a [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[NEST]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

'''Chapter 1: Optimus invades'''

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a NEST gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the NEST gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

'''Chapter 2: Ironhide vs. Demolishor'''

Ironhide blows up and smashes his way through numerous Decepticon drones, eventually jumping between walls onto a rooftop and winning a shootout with Decepticon long range warriors. A cutscene follows that depicts Ironhide jumping off the building onto the street, toppling a tower crane with his light weapon as Demolishor is under it. This knocks Demolishor into a pit, where he appears to be digging for something. Ironhide takes out Demolishor's top wheel and finally kills the larger Decepticon with three punches to the head.
{{stub}}

== Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable|c1=
'''[[Autobot]]s'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''[[Decepticon]]s'''
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
|h2=Nonplayable|c2=
'''Autobots'''
* [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Autobot ranged Warrior]]*
* Autobot ranged Lieutenant
* [[Hot Spot (ROTF)|Autobot ranged Captain]]
* Autobot melee Warrior
* Autobot melee Lieutenant
* [[Blazemaster|Autobot melee Captain]]
'''Decepticons'''
* Decepticon ranged Warrior
* Decepticon ranged Lieutenant
* [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Decepticon ranged Captain]]
* Decepticon melee Warrior
* [[Thrust (ROTF)|Decepticon melee lieutenant]]
* Decepticon melee Captain
}}

*The ranged Warriors look a lot like Breakaway, but they are blue.

== Quotes ==

:'''Demolishor''': Now initiating massive destruction!
:-How come, whenever a Decepticon is about to blow a bunch of stuff up, does he/she always shout something like this?

:'''Sideways''': Soundwave, I cannot shake this Autobot. A little help here?
:'''Bumblebee''': Try a lot of help. I'm close enough to hear your whining transmission.
:-"Bumblebee, I wasn't talking to you" "Shut up, Sideways"

"There's a giant Echo Romeo tearing things up here and we could use some back up" 
""Echo Romeo"?" 
"Evil Robot" 
"Humans and their code words" 
:-The slang of '''NEST soldier''' causes an unamused '''Ironhide''' to need some explanation from '''Bumblebee'''

:'''Soundwave''': Starscream, enemy aerial defense systems active. Commence termination
:'''Starscream''': Silence, Soundwave! I give the orders here!
:-Starscream lays down the chain of command for Soundwave.

:'''Starscream''': Pathetic humans, prepare for extinction!
:-Again... why?

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].
* While on the first game, cars (and humans) seemed nearly invincible until you shot them, in this game, if you so much as ''step on'' a car, it ''explodes''.
* Jetfire can beat the ''snot'' out of Decepticons by ''stepping on them''!
===Differences with the Movie===

Krome was clearly writing the game on a different planet than the Movie's script.

* Sideways doesn't die in Shanghai.
* Ironhide, rather than Optimus, kills Demolishor.
* Instead of the forest, Megatron wounds Optimus in the Decepticon base.
* Optimus does not die, but is damaged.
* The Fallen appears to be in total command of the Decepticons even before Megatron revives, as he is the one calling the shots.
* Sam and Mikaela aren't in the game, except for a brief phone conversation with Optimus, and even then, it is only their voices.
* Optimus kills The Fallen by putting him in front of the Star Harvester's beam.
* The battle with Devastator happens in the ''first'' battle. While Optimus, Ironhide, and Bumblebee are cleaning up in Shanghai, Devastator appears out of nowhere and attacks.
* Also, Optimus Prime, rather than a railgun, kills Devastator.
* Instead of looking for the Matrix, The Fallen looks for pieces of the Harvester, saying he already has the Matrix. We...probably don't want to know what that means.
* Instead of being trapped in the Smithsonian, [[Jetfire]] is in the Decepticon base.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

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2009-10-18T01:14:29Z

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== Mold reusage list ==

I've been working on a list that lists the most reused molds. Sorted after Toyline and alphabetical order. Now I would like to know if this would be a useful piece of information or if it's uninteresting for the wiki. Check out the current poor and far from finished version [[User:Dead Metal/DMsscrapheap|here]]. Should I continue working on it or stop and erase it.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:09, 29 July 2009 (EDT)
:It's almost worth it just for that picture. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 09:20, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:I think it would be worth it, just have all this info in one place. That and the comedy possibilities. I can see where it could be considered redundant though. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:33, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::Armada: The Air Defense Mini-Con Team, with 10 to 12 different decos (depending on whether you count minor differences between the Hasbro and Takara verisons or not).
::Energon: One of the combiner limbs. Which one depends on whether you count Hasbro/Takara differences or not (some of the tank limbs in particular are considerably different). Also, do the unreleased Movie Target Scouts count?
::Cybertron would be Legends of Cybertron Starscream (8 different versions, with notable differences between the initial Hasbro and Takara releases) and Optimus Prime (7 versions, also with notable Hasbro/Takara differences), with larger toys Deluxe Hot Shot (5 or 6 different versions, minor differences between initial Hasbro and Takara releases), Sideways (not sure on Hasbro/Takara differences here, therefore 5 or 6 different versions), Crosswise (some differences between Hasbro and Takara releases, 6 versions), Scout Clocker (notable Hasbro/Takara differences, 6 versions) and Voyager Leobreaker (5 to 7 different versions depending on Hasbro/Takara differences for Ligerjack/Leobreaker and Dark Ligerjack/Nemesis Breaker).
::Classics winner is Deluxe Starscream (15 different versions, with Hasbro and Takara releases being considerably different in all instances), followed by Voyager Prime (6 or 7 versions depending on whether the unreleased black Takara convention exclusive counts or not).
::Movie... Deluxe "Concept" Camaro Bumblebee, hands down. There's a running change variant for the Hasbro version (not a Hasbro/Takara difference, the later Hasbro version is identical to the Takara release), depending on whether that counts or not, we're talking about nine or 10 distinct versions here (including ROTF Cannon Bumblebee, who features 2007 Bumblebee's legs). Then there's Voyager Prime (7 definitely different versions, with minor but notable differences between Hasbro ROTF Voyager Prime and Takara's convention exclusive "Optimus Prime Revenge Edition". There might also be minor differences between the battle damaged Voyager Prime from the Sam's Club exclusive Prime/Starscream/Arcee three-pack and the Asia-only "Autobot Optimus Prime" single pack.)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 15:13, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:Damn, I'm starting to think I was retarded just to think of starting it, but I think I'll continue working on it and once I think it's near complete I'll "publish" it and let it be updated by others that are more in the know. Danke für die hilfe werd mich reinhaun.:D [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:19, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== Marvel UK issue pages ==

I feel that we need to make a change with how we handle Marvel UK comic issues. The UK comics split most of its stories up over multiple issues, and even reprinted some of the split up in a ''different'' way. This has led the story articles to become bloated with non-story info (covers, letter pages, other comics from the same issue, contests, ads) for multiple issues on a single story page. Also, navigating the UK comic is a pain in the ass, as many issues having two stories (one issue has ''three''!), as well as the reprints.

Here's what I suggest we do:

* '''Make "hub" pages for the individual issues.''' These pages will cover issue-specific things. Those UK cover scans clogging up every Marvel Transformer story? They go here. As does information from that issue's letter pages, ads, TransFormations, and anything else that isn't a part of the actual stories. Also, there will be a list of what each issue contains, mostly the TOC from the issue itself. Non-Transformers backup strips (Machine Man, Action Force) should need nothing more beyond the name of the series and the title of the story unless more info is given in the cover, letters page, TransFormations, Coming Attractions or the like. The TOC will also have links to our story articles.

*'''Leave the story articles mostly unchanged''' The UK comic usually treated the stories like serials (think the early Flash Gotdon films or the original Doctor Who series), so splitting them up makes no sense. Aside from moving the issue-specific stuff to the hub pages, the only changes needed will be removing the story navigation box from the UK-original stories, removal of the UK navigation from the stories written for the US comic, and adding any needed "Reprinted in" links, and putting "Originally printed in" links on the stories written for the UK comic.

Marvel US 33 & 34 (Man of Iron!) and Action Force 24-27 (Ancient Relics!) would be handled in the same way. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:40, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:So you're suggesting that ''any'' issue which contained multiple discontinuous stories get a page for the issue, and a page for both stories? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:37, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:: Not exactly. Marvel UK is a special case because these multiple discontinuous stories are broken up over multiple issues. We would still have one page for Time Wars. I'll put together a sample tommorow. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:51, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
::I have a ''very'' rough example at [[User:FortMax/Sandbox]]. The main reason I feel this needs to be done is because not only does the UK comic non only have multiple stories in each issue, these stories get spread out over multiple issues. For example, [[Time Wars]] was printed over seven issues. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 12:04, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
:::That makes sense... a 'landing page.' I'm tentatively in favor of it... but I'd like to see what others say. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:40, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I think this is a really good idea, because it enables us to show the very different format of the UK comic. Formats, in fact - something I didn't realise till I completed my collection is how ''very'' different the first 30 or so issues are from the rest. More like a robot enthusiast's magazine than a comic, and much more 'British' in feel. Unfortunately I've only got my scanned copies of issues 1-5 to work from at the moment, but I can mock something up to show you what I mean. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 06:25, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I've never been overly happy that a big, "blockbuster-that-changes-everything" story like Target: 2006 or The Legacy of Unicron only gets one issue, whereas, say, the issues leading up to US #75 get a page each. There's examples of serial storytelling and individual-issue focuses (eg, Prime surrendering, or the introduction of the Wreckers) in each. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 09:25, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've done a fair bit across the UK comics lately and I'd be hugely in favour of breaking T:2006 (especially) into its component issues - just because they weren't individually named they get lumped together in one article which I think does a great disservice to the story. I'd compare it to a six-issue series like Devastation which gets six pages labelled issue 1, issue 2 and so forth, so I don't think articles called Target: 2006 issue 1, Target: 2006 issue 2 etc. would necessarily be beyond the pale. I don't know how far I'd want to take it though - splitting up stories like City of Fear or Legion of the Lost seems a bit pointless, more so The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire which wasn't meant to be split in the first place. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:07, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm in favour. I also think that a standard link to the appropriate letters page on transfans.net (similar to the way we do tfu.info for toys) wouldn't go amiss. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:07, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

::::I'm also in favour. This is the approach I took on Joepedia for the weekly Action Force comics where there are similar problems - see [http://gijoe.wikia.com/wiki/Action_Force_%28weekly%29] for how it works on the individual issues. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 07:59, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:If you are taking the navigation off the stories, won't that make it more difficult to click through the UK continuity, from one story to the next one, continuity-wise? Then again, I'm not super familiar with the UK comics, maybe it is so complicated that that feature is basically broken as it is. But if the current story-based nav works I'd like to keep that as well as a issue-to-issue nav. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:39, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Need Disambig Help ==

[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] and [[Landcross (Victory)|Landcross]] need to be moved, but I remember us doing different stuff with the Victory characters, so I didn't know if I should move them to (G1) or (Victory). --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community_Portal/Archive34#Franchise_identifier_consistency|Relevant]] [[Talk:Star Saber (Victory)#.28G1.29_vs._.28Victory.29|discussions]] suggest "Deathsaurus (Victory)", etc. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:16, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::Okie dokie. Thankee! --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:19, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::''*Derik growls*''
::::...you growled, sir? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:59, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Derik likes the G1 parenthetical when applicable. Interrobang hates it with a passion. We are going to put them in Thunderdome.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:44, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Derik thunderously proclaims that the (G1) parenthetical is a reference to the ''umbrella'' franchise that contains all "Generation 1" franchises. If we truly named characters for franchises, we would have "Optimus Prime (The Transformers)." We're not-- ergo we prefer to use the umbrella franchise for disambig when possible, and that should apply to Victory characters as well! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Uh, no. More like it's one of those cases where we have to make an exception because the result caused by following the rule would be ridiculously unhelpful. Otherwise we do in fact disambig by franchise. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:36, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I disagree! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:41, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::With which? You disagree that (The Transformers) is unhelpful despite the [[Talk:Generation 1 (franchise)|conversation on the matter]] (to whit: "Because, having 'The Transformers' be the name of a specific franchise and continuity family would be insanely confusing, when technically 'The Transformers' is the also name of the entire general franchise and continuity family that encompasses everything. Having two different concepts named "Generation 1" is already confusing enough without making it ten times worse."), or you disagree with the fact that we disambiguate by franchise?
:::::::::(The Transformers) is a uselessly ambiguous disambiguation, and it ''is'' a fact that we disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:47, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::But... we don't use the "umbrella franchise" for anything else. We don't do it for the UT. We don't do it for Beast Wars (who some would argue falls under G1). We don't do it for the movies. Why only G1? And "Generation 1" is the name of the franchise, as established by numerous product. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:33, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Bah! Humbug! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Let's make sure we've got our terminology straight. At the very top level, we have the [[Generation 1 continuity family]], which, NOT being a franchise, is never used for parentheticals. Underneath that, we have the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|G1 franchise]], G2, BW, the 2003 ''Universe'', etc. The G1 franchise is synonymous with "The Transformers", so Derik's point above about how we don't say "Optimus Prime (The Transformers)" is nonsensical. Every time we say "(G1)", we ''are'' saying "(The Transformers)". This franchise could be considered an "umbrella franchise" because it contains all the Japanese franchises like ''Headmasters'', ''Victory'', ''Zone'', etc. So does a ''Victory''-exclusive character get a "(G1)" or a "(Victory)"? Both technically count as franchise-of-origin. The only reason I see to get granular about it is to follow the example of the Japanese BW sub-franchises. For example, it would be perfectly valid if [[Skywarp (BWII)]] were "Skywarp (BW)" instead, but for whatever reason, we've decided those sub-franchises deserve their own parentheticals. I favor consistency, but I can't think of any clear logic that demands one outcome or the other. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:19, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::It's the 'for whatever reason' I'm stuck on. I don't think we ever actually ''made'' that decision so much as some contribuitors have simply been pushing that view-- thus the periodic outbreaks of "What? Why the fuck is ''ArticleName'' now at such a retarded location?" followed by block reversions. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:49, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::IIRC, I think that the reasoning was that we ''should'' always be disambiguating by franchise rather than umbrella franchise, so (Victory), (Zone), (BWII) was more correct. Basically, it was a change to make our disambiguating more consistent. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:52, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::I can think of one umbrella franchise we do disambiguate by: the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'']]. With the exception of the "Action Blast" Flash animations, all it does is subsume other franchises, but when a [[Dropshot (Universe)|new]] [[Backstop (Universe)|character]] comes out of it, we use "Universe" as the parenthetical instead of whatever franchise they're from within that. I've [[Talk:Heavy Load (Universe)#Move to "Heavy Load (Classics)"?|argued against this]], but to little avail. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:06, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

==Copyright notice for logos==
I've been spending a fair bit of time lately adding to and updating our collection of [[logos]], but it's occurred to me that of all our thin-ice copyright practices, displaying Hasbro's trademarks is pretty damn questionable. So I checked out how Wikipedia deals with it, and I think we can pare down [[Wikipedia:File:Radioshack-logo.svg|their boilerplate]] into something that fits our typical copyright templates. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:16, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:Logos are something you put out as a metonymic symbol for yourself. Mangling them or presentignt hem badly is bad... but simply ''presenting'' them should be fine.
:Trademark infringement is an entirely different thing than copyright infringement-- it only occurs if we were trying to use their names/logos to represent ourselves. Creating "Genuine opportunity for confusion" between ourselves and Hasbro. We're not using them that way... we're usign them to represent Hasbro, which is entirely proper.
:(It wouldn't hurt to work up a <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki> template for image credit though, that underlines that this is Hasbro's Trademark, not an image they own copyright on.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:37, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've done a [[Template:Logo|first draft]]. Feel free to mangle it so that the language is more sound.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:51, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

== A solution for all this Goldbug/Galvatron/etc. madness ==

Would it be possible to design a template or other standard that allows for an intro-style paragraph in the ''middle'' of a page? So, rather than Fortress Maximus getting a footnote under his intro paragraph about how his Japanese portrayal is totally different, his Japanese fiction section gets its own introductory writeup, maybe complete with its own main pic, with some kind of standard disclaimer that it applies to this particular fictional section only?

This allows us to keep characters who are clearly related in a meta-fictional sense on the same page, while allowing us to acknowledge the vast differences in their characterization and/or backstory. Then we have a ''much'' smaller debate about who should or shouldn't get such a subsection, instead of an unwinnable argument about disambiguations with all the associated link and header messiness. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:02, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:That is a very good idea, I like it a lot. But how would that work, will we need a software update or something? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:06, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::<nowiki>=Section title=</nowiki>
::The single equal sign header currently isn't used. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::That's because a single equal sign header produces an <nowiki><H1></nowiki>, which should only be used once per page per webstandards. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:13, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::From a web-standards standpoint, there's no reason ''not'' to use a H2. I the goal is just to have a horizontal line... um... I bet that can be made to happen, I'm just blanking on how. ;)
::::I'm not opposed to the idea of a 'mini-bio template' (or something) to call out these kind of mini-bios... but I'm also ''wary'' of them, because I fear that they could become a crutch; a "default" approach used whenever there are different portrayals of a character instead of achieving actual consensus.
::::I '''really''' don't want to discuss this until ''after'' we've come to a conclusion on the Bumblebee/Galvatron thing. With the original argument deadlocked, (and seriously, calling for an up-and down vote so early into the discussion was ''not'' helpful) it's now spilling over and opening 'new fronts' to argue on. Any 'wide ranging' layout change we make will stem ''from'' the resolution of that argument. Attempting to begin such a change now, with the problem unresolved is bad policy, pisses everyone off, and ''could be'' (read: is) interpreted as a pressure-move by one side seeking to advance its agenda by presenting a fiat-accompli policy revision to strengthen its position. :D -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::We probably should mention [[Blaster (G1)]] in this mess as well...
:::::I'm honestly not sure how to feel about the whole thing. My inclination would be inherent personality/concept. So if you have character incarnations who have different origins but their personality ends up being the same, they go together. If you have character incarnations with similar origins but who otherwise act very different, they don't go together. And if you have character incarnations who act similarly, but most have a certain origin as a key part of their identity and one incarnation lacks that origin, that one incarnation would still be different.
:::::Of course... that's obviously a pretty darn subjective thing to be trying to decide on, and I'm not sure it'd be ideal. I'm just really not sure how else to handle it in terms of a way that ''would'' be objective. Seeing as how once you get past continuity/franchise divides, all we have to go on is how the individual stories handle things, which usually aren't clear-cut. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:51, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

::::::We've got plenty of evidence that Unicron can create Cyclonus and Scourge out of any robot-- the individual going into the transformation has no bearing on the individual that comes out... it's just a 'stock' body/persona Unicron seems to use a lot.
::::::I suspect that Galvatron is similar. (Though the evidence to support this view is much more circumstantial.) Because the dudes who get turned into Galvatrons tend to be ''alive'' going in (unlike the 'doners' for Cyclonus and Scourge) their personality obviously carries more sway.
::::::I think that treating Galvatron like ''that'' makes a lot of sense without dis-servicing the material... but I'm not sure we can reach an consensus to do so. Can anyone think of any similar instances of a character with wildly different 'incoming' origins? (Orion Pax doesn't quite cut it. We'd need a separate origin where [[T-Spoon]] was rebuilt into Optimus Prime...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:05, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sunbow Dinobots vs Dreamwave Dinobots immediately come to mind. I've been thinking along the lines of your "Unicron's mass-production type" for a while now.... which still leaves both IDW and Henkei Galvs as outliers. But even those two weirdos fulfill basically the same character roles in their respective continuities, and there's no evidence Hearts of Steel Scourge was built by Unicron either and he's still "himself". Honestly I think they should all stay where they are. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:25, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Cartoon Constructicons. Built on Earth? Brainwashed Autobots? Decepticons who've always been around?
:::::::Any rate, I really don't see the point in moving stuff around. People are actually talking about wiki-wide changes to account for maybe that %0.1 of characters that don't fit neat-and-clean into the way things are set up now. As it stands, I'm not exactly sold on the "mini-profile" proposal, I'd have to see an example Sandboxed up before I could get behind such a thing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:44, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Leave it as is. Galvatron is still more or less the same guy - he's a crazy badass killer guy who wants to betray his masters. Goldbug is a fucking nonentity. (On the other hand, is there ANYTHING to suggest that Spotlight: Metroplex doesn't take place in the future and that Bumblebee became Goldbug at some point we haven't encountered yet?) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 19:34, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::There's a note on the inside cover that says it takes place immediately before AHM#1.
:::::::::As for the subsection-intro idea, I like it a lot - it's an idea I've had since I first started reading the wiki, and it applies to WAY more than the "0.1%" of characters that have had actual debates around them. Save the main intro for universally-applicable info, and elaborate on the conflicting details in the subsection-intros. The big issue I see is overall readability - as Siph says, it'll need some sandbox-testing to see if it would actually ''work'' in a practical sense. It could easily make our articles even ''harder'' to parse than they are now. But there's no way to know without trying.
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:50, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Considering that [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s page is already set up like that... really, go look at it—there's ''three'' separate intros already, one at the beginning of the cartoon section, one at the beginning of the Marvel comic section, and one at the beginning of the IDW comic section.
::::::::::We'd maybe have one normal Fiction section with Dreamwave and TF/GI Joe, and then three different H2s with "Cartoon continuity Blaster", "Marvel Continuity Blaster", and "IDW continuity Blaster" each with their own separate H3 Fiction section. If that makes sense? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:22, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::::::Speaking solely in terms of 'the insertion of more time fixing the problem...' Goldbug's 1987 tech-spec says that he possesses the ''mind'' of Bumblebee. ('tis a very odd phrasing.) It also notes that he has become <tt>"More serious, assertive, mature than he was. Realizes what others think of him isn't nearly as important as what he thinks of himself."</tt>
:::::::::Now, I happen to think that "Spotlight: Metroplex" presented Goldbug as joking, passive, naive and deferring to what others think instead of trussing his own judgment. (Caveat: These are subjective judgements, YMMV.) Which would make "Spotlight: Metroplex" Goldbug is simply Goldbug ''prior'' to the state his tech-spec describes. He will ''grow into'' being the more assertive etc etc etc individual the tech-spec describes. It's entirely ''possible'' that at some point in the future Goldbug's mind will be merged with G1 Bumblebee... at which point the character would no longer be in conflict with the tech-spec (but still a distinct character.)
:::::::::Let me stress; I don't think that this is '''likely'''. But I'm reluctant to make sweeping changes aimed at "addressing this completely irresolvable situation" when the situation is (at least potentially) resolvable. And in the scenario above, even if the discontinuity with the tech-spec were ''completely'' resolved... we'd '''still''' need a separate article for the character; addressing who he was prior to the merge— just like the [[:Image:Generic decepticons marvel uk 243.jpg|hapless trooper]] Straxus rebuilt into a clone of Megatron is a distinct character.
:::::::::'''Reiterating:''' I am not saying this is the case, I do not think it should go on his page, etc. I am merely demonstrating that it's ''possible'' to have a scenario where '''even if the problems with the tech-spec were resolved''' this Goldbug would '''still''' need a separate article. '''With that in mind:''' can we ''back away'' from the <tt>"conflict with tech-spec = new character"</tt> argument (because I don't think either side is actually proposing that [[Beast Changer]] be split into a separate article from [[Noble]]) and start looking at at Goldbug's article for what it ''is''; an odd and '''fairly rare''' circumstance which lacks a clear precedent in the form terms of how we treat other articles (Since Galvatron's article has that's been regularly argued about since it was set up... to a conclusion that "this sucks, but no one can agree about how to do it better" I don't think it qualifies as "a clear precedent.") for which open non-acrimonious discussion is required to determine the best treatment.
:::::::::Now, '''*I*''' see no urgent need to make a decision this second. '''I propose''' a 4 day cooling-off period where all parties desist working on the article or pushing their points on talk pages so that everyone can calm down and it can be re-visited with fresh eyes on Monday. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:21, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::We should just plainly present the character as the fiction presents him while taking as little stances on anything as possible. The only way to do that, I think, is to have all Goldbug-related information on the "Goldbug (G1)" page, and just give the information, perhaps linking to Bumblebee in the appropriate fiction sections to prevent duplicate information. Having separate Goldbug pages gets the whole process off on the wrong foot, drawing subtle conclusions before any text is actually written. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:47, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::But that's a ''terrible'' way to present (for example) the Marvel comic, where he goes back and forth between being Bumblebee and Goldbug. To say ''nothing'' of Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:27, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::You know, the more I think of it, the less certain I become about what works the best for the wiki. Think of Optimus Prime (G1). We're mostly pretty happy with his article, right? But then, sometimes he was rebuilt from Optronix, sometimes Orion Pax. To me, that seems like a pretty analogous situation to the whole Goldbug / Bumblebee situation. So, whatever we decide for Goldbug may apply to the cartoon vs dreamwave Optimus Prime. Or not, just kinda thinking out loud. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:54, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::The Keepers Trilogy established that Orion was a friendly nickname for the 'bot known as Optronix.
:::::::::::::Try to keep up with the retcons man! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:25, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Personally, I think Jackpot (I think it was Jackpot, anyway) sandboxed up the best solution I've seen: make a Goldbug (G1) page, with the Marvel and Sunbow sections consisting entirely of "See Bumblebee (G1)" (and maybe a sentence or two on how he became Goldbug). There's no back and forth from Bumblebee to Goldbug for the continuities where they're one and the same, it eliminates the potential mess that would appear if another G1 continuity decided to make a Goldbug that's not Bumblebee, and it pretty neatly resolves the debate over how the intro paragraph should be written. I'm also going to take this opportunity to point out that the intro paragraph for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] says something to the effect of, "this guy is totally different in every continuity." -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 04:40, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Wait for the smoke to clear. We'll decide to do that anyway. The non-Bumblebee Goldbug clearly has his own independent existence, just like [[Hapless trooper]] does, and (IDW) is a terrible diambig.
:::::::::::::::Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to be a crotchety old man and point out that I think people need to '''chill'''. IDW introduced a ''bizarre'' retcon involving Bumblebee the same month they announced a Bumblebee series. Until I'm given reason to think differently, I have to believe who thing is too retarded ''not'' to be related. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::So, why is (IDW) a terrible disambig, Derik? Because some other publisher may use a non-Bumblebee Goldbug later? How is that particularly different from a character from one franchise later turning up in another? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Because in this case it's not a character from another franchise. It would be another version of the same character from the same franchise with the same uncommon interpretation. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 18:11, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

== New Featured Characters Template ==
OK, what's with the new featured characters template? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:38, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:Changes were proposed over at [[Template_talk:Featuredcharacters#Makeover]], sandboxed, revised, various users participated etc. It's been going on for a few days. A 'mature' version of the template evolved, and we announced it would go live; giving users 36 hours to object if theyw anted to. No one did.
:(This is typical. Most of the time only a very tiny audience participates in talk about template revisions until they're rolled out and catch the rest of the users off-guard.)
:It was expected there would be more commentary after it happened. What do you think of the revision? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:27, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::It's not really that different, but I think I preferred the other one. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:59, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::That's my initial reaction too. But I'm not sure if that's just because I was ''used'' to the old one, or if it's actually ''better'' somehow, so I'm giving myself a few days to grow on me before I cast judgement.
:::(IIRC this originally started because the old one needed to be re-coded due to some IE problem... which snowballed into a full-on redesign. So even if we reverted things template would still need changes.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I mostly like it much better, however...
::::The dotted border needs to be a normal border, IMHO.
::::The default "Human" and "Others" sections are now the wrong colors, and I don't think we really want to have to manually swap the code on every single instance of the Template. [[Eye in the Sky|Example]]... you can see how the "Others" has the nice fleshie color, while the "Humans" are the deeper color that doesn't match as nicely visually. Unless you can figure out how to swap the display without having to swap all the code, I think it needs to go back, unfortunately for your alternating. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:04, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Is this like Crayola defining a peach crayon as "flesh" tone? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:52, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>snerk* OK, I deserved that. But more like, when I look at the light beige I think "human" and when I look at the orangey-yellow I think "human suffering from jaundice". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:03, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Hmm... the reason the 3rd and 4th column's colors were swapped was for their density (grayscale) values so that the template would be more readable the low-color-depth e-readers (there are already ~ a million unit out there, and the category is expanding rapidly.) But the loose subject-color correlation we've got going on is useful. I'll take a poke at the template tonight and see if I can't tweak the hues without affecting the density; best of both worlds. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:17, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::While you're at it, see if you can figure out how to fix the fact that the top and bottom borders of the two outside columns are thicker than the same borders of any columns between them.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:58, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Which browser are you using? I only have Firefox 3.5, IE 8, and Chrome 3.0 handy at the moment, but it looks fine in all of those. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:24, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Firefox 3.5.2 on a Mac, FWIW. You can see the problem on this screen shot [[Media:RHeroesNewFCBorderProblem.jpg|here]]. Even allowing for JPG artifacting, the thinner lines at the top and bottom of the Decepticons column should be apparent in the full-res view.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:12, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Can you check [http://www.aldenbates.com/fctest.html this page] and see if the borders are correct? I suspect it's some sort of border-collapse bug. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:23, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::I thought we just sprayed for those things.... Anyway, the test page looks fine, all borders equal.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:50, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== "Murder" Category ==
What is that all about, why is it stuck in flux like "Things that doesn't exist", and why has it magically returned back to its former state after I pressed the "Save page" button? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:Well, I'm not a ''scientist'', but I '''suspect''' it's related to the fact that [[:Category: Murder|both pages in the category]] promise to murder you if you don't understand a key concept described therein.
:I have no idea where your edits went; but they're not listed in history. Maybe it was just a server hiccup? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:03, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

:That's obviously policy related. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

::How can you view that category's history if it doesn't exist? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:50, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::How can you view something that doesn't exist?
:::We used to have a policy page specifically forbidding murder as a form of resolving debates. It got deleted.
:::People are a ''lot'' more civil now. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:34, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we might need that page back.
::::[[Talk:Alpha Trion (SG)|I admit that I may have at one point threatened anyone who dared to say that Alpha Trion was one of the 13 without any plausible evidence to back them up with murder using SG Alpha Trion's sword.]] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:23, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

== Login Timeouts ==

I've noticed recently that I keep getting logged out constantly... did we tweak something lately? (I think I had to log back in a good five times while working on Jackpot's article yesterday...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:50, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

:The system seems fine to me, I haven't got problem like this. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:52, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

:No problems here. Have you tried deleting your site cookies? That was happening to me on another site (a forum) and the problem went away after I deleted the cookies and logged back in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== Software upgrade (and known issues)==
Now that the traffic from ROTF has died down some, is it time we looked at updating the MediaWiki software we're running? The latest version out is 1.51. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
===Interwiki linking===
I was trying to link to this ( [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_Second_Inaugural_Address http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_Second_Inaugural_Address] ) article today... and I realized I couldn't do it.

I can interwiki link to WikiSource... but ''not'' to en.wikisource.org. <nowiki>[[wikipedia:Articlename]]</nowiki> links properly direct to en.wikipedia.com; since we are an english wiki, it [[Wikipedia:Help:Interwiki_linking|assumes we want to]] link to the English wikipedia... but ''no'' such assumption is made for WikiSource (because you could reasonably be assumed to be linking to a non-English source, once supposes.)

In fact I '''can't''' link to the spanish-language version of the [[Wikipedia: Tacitus| Tacitus]] article either; <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:es:Tácito]]</nowiki> takes me to a non-existant article named [[Wikipedia:es:Tácito|Tácito]] on the ''english'' Wikipedia.

It's not a big deal... the need to link to non-english articles is so rare that we can just substitute an external link. but it '''does''' means that we can't link properly to Wikisource '''at all''' because their articles ''require'' the language code to be set.... and we simply can't do that. (We should check back on this problem and see if it fixes itself with the software upgrade.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:04, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:That [[Wikipedia:es:Tácito|es:Tácito]] link does, in fact, take me to "http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tácito"! Once I hit en.wikipedia.org, I get redirected to the Spanish version. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I think that's being handled server-side by Wikipedia's server though. "No article by this name, what could they be searching for? There's a spanish one..." The point is that link format ''should'' take you to the correct sever ''without'' the server itself acting as a catchment for sloppy linking. (And Wikisource doesn't do that, which brings us back full circle.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:35, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Sure, ideally, but from looking at the MediaWiki source, it looks like that's how they intend interwiki links to the Spanish version of Wikipedia to be done. There's nothing stopping us from adding in our own Interwiki prefixes of course! So even if the update doesn't fix the problem, someone with database access can tweak the Interwiki table. I have noted down to suggest [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki this extension], when we get around to installing extensions. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:20, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

===Macron issue===
I've only tested the SQL statement I came up with to fix the macron issue on version 1.12, so ideally that should be done before we upgrade the software. I sent it to McFly a while back, but haven't heard anything more. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:30, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

===SearchSuggest===
The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Search_Suggest SearchSuggest extension] which we're using will be obsolete once we upgrade (it's been replaced by native functionality as of version 1.13 of MediaWiki). I suspect that it'll probably need to be removed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:32, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

== Article "suites" ==

We've got a couple articles that're broken up into chunks because of length. (Mostly toy-sections.) I worry that the broken off bits become "less" somehow.

Enter [[Template:Suite]] which I've roleld out on the [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] article. It throws a quicknav up in the empty space to the right of the continuity note, and snugs it up against the disambig (if present.) The template has an "easy mode" and a "hard mode," but neither mode is ''particularly'' hard. Anyway... I thought this seemed useful. (Besides, Wikia has a proper nav for this sort of thing, and it irked me that we didn't. Theirs, however, occupies the spot where our "Factions" icons go, so...)

Thoughts? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:08, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

:I like it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:44, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::I like the idea! ;-D
::By the way, since we now have [[Template:Suite]], do we still need <nowiki>==Toys== or ==Merchandise==</nowiki> section (which contains nothing) in those page with template:suite? (But section such as "Marvel Comics continuity" should be kept because there are summary in the section.)--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''02:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think... yes? If only because people are so used to seeing them... they're level-2 headers. I don't think it's wise to ''depend'' on people noticing the suite thing at the top of the article.
:::And anyway, we still have a section for Prime in the Marvel comics, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::::I agree. If people miss the suite box and go to to the bottom of the article, looking for Opty's toys, they'll be confused when they don't find the forwarding link. Definitely keep the toy sections. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:43, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Like the faction symbols, I view this as a more of an enhancement of the existing layout than a replacement. (Which is why I was so pleased to be able to sneak it into the 'empty space' to the right of the continuity note... no additional disruption to the layout.)
:::::I wonder if this (or a version of it) might proove useful for sub-franchise pages; e.g. Linking the Marvel Comics series page to the Marvel Comcis timeline page. Replace the [[Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)|game navigation]] we use. (It never quite sat right with me, switching to a different franchise navigation just for the games.)
:::::This isn't... ''there'' yet, but it's a step in the right direction I think. Just like creating the Franchise Navigation ''at all'' was a big step in the right direction in 2007, I think ''this'' (or a solution we evolve once this is in practice and we've got a clearer idea of what we need) could be a step toward that next-level-down interlinking that we're missing.
:::::And frankly, [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Optimus_Prime_%28G1%29 Wikia] had it and we didn't... and that's shameful. This wasn't even on my radar (at least in this specific application) until I noticed Wikia had it. (I happen to ''like'' their highly-visible solution better but; '''1)''' We have faction icons in that space. '''2)''' I think that solution breaks down when you have more than 1 sub-page... and we already have 3.)
:::::Unrelated to all that... the sub-pages are a bit bland to cross-navigate to. Is there any reason '''not''' to put pictures at the top of them? (I'm gonna throw one at the top of the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel Comics section]] as an example.)
:::::Even more meta... how do people feel about an [[Optimus Prime (G1)/weapons]] page? A sort of clearinghouse article to link provide top-level links to Roller, the Combat Deck, his Powermaster partners, our article on the Energon axe and his gun? (Note: I don't think we have an article on his gun... but we ought.) As well any anything else that's "form specific" (and thus really doesn't belong in the suite itself) but still prominent enough to have gotten its own article that's really "about" one aspect of Optimus Prime. ('Weapons' feels better than 'Equipment' for some reason... I don't know.) I'm just throwing the idea out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:18, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::::''If'' that counts, we do have [[Ion blaster|Optimus Prime's gun]]. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:22, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::::::Oh yeah, in fact TX55 set up the Wikia solution (it's identical code to the link on [[Christmas]] to the gallery). Personally I actually find it ''less'' visible than the suite block, partly because of the big three-line sitewide message they have which pushes the page title down. I completely missed the link to the archives on their Community Portal page, so at first glance it appeared as though someone had deleted all the portal chatter from before this April.
::::::Also, I agree completely about putting pictures at the top of the sub-pages. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:58, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::If you were logged in the ad-spam wouldn't be there and it'd display properly in the H1. (The reason we ''don't'' do the factions this same way is because a sufficiently long page title is expected to wrap politely around the icons... and using CSS positioning would actually cause them to just smash on top of one another. It's not a ''big'' deal, but our solution is preferable; iPhones might have zooming full-screens, but the expanding e-reader market can be expected to mangle pages.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:16, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::Definitely like it. And yeah, we should try to have a main pic for sub-pages. (For Prime's cartoon page, I propose his robot mode at the start of that one transformation sequence that got used in like half the episodes.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:41, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:::When I took a look at this last night, I liked the idea but wasn't overly keen on the plainer look. What Derik has up there now however, that's ridiculously full of win. I approve.
:::I also agree both with main pics on the subpages and the weapon/equipment sub-page for Prime. Perhaps the main pic for the weapon/equipment page could be a screen capture of Prime pointing his gun at the "camera"? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 13:25, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

==nofollow for dead links==
I've noticed that some of our external links are to sites that are defunct. I can understand why we'd want to keep the link on, say [[Transform Your Way]], but we'll get dinged in our Search Engine rankings for each dead link. Is there any way we can get the rel="nofollow" tag in there for defunct links?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 04:15, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
:As far as I'm aware, <tt>rel="nofollow"</tt> is already enabled on all external links as a matter of course. It's enabled on the link on that page, for instance, if you look in the HTML source.
:Generally it's the opposite that we have to deal with... disabling the nofollow on links we ''want'' to send Google juice to. There was talk of that for TFU.info, the Universe profiles, and a few other sites, but I don't know if it ever got implemented. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:48, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah, good to know. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:15, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

::It hasn't been implemented - it needs someone with server access to edit the configuration file. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:48, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Scout's taken a whack at it, but the software is Mysteriously Not Cooperating. (I suspect that like similar issues it's just going to wait until we upgrade and see if that fixes it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:53, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, that explains a lot! (I had similar fun trying to set up PHPBBS a while back) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:57, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

== Water gun article==
: Is there an article about the squirting guns of transformer toys? there is an article about a water gun used by Ironhide, but it has nothing to do with the gimick of a transformer squirting water. Should we make an article like the rest of the gimmicks?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 14:32, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::Yes. How about "water weapon"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:48, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:::To make it more easy to look for, could we call it water-gun? or water gun(toy)?I'm not going to start untill i'm sure what to call it.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:05, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::::In the toy bios it is called a variety of things: aquapower, water power, water weapon... what about following the lead of [[sparking gimmick]] and call it "water gimmick" or "water-squirting gimmick". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:14, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'll do my best to make a good article, be gentle on me, i've only made an article once before.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

== Our new resident vandal..... ==

{{main|Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism}}

== Wiki Acting Weird ==

Ok, what's up? I've just had an edit conflict with myself. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:28, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

== Googlejuice - Bad News Everyone ==

[http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=transformers+wiki Current Google]: TFWiki third for transformers wiki, behind two Wikia results

[http://www2.sandbox.google.com/#hl=en&ei=XmaUSry7C43EMI65_SI&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=transformers+wiki&spell=1&fp=7b823cb19394de08 New Google (a.k.a., "Caffeine")]: TFWiki fifth, behind two Wikia results and two Wikipedia results.

So. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:38, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

:Hmm, for me, we've been in "fifth" on google.com since soon after ROTF came out. I assumed it was just cause a bunch of bloggers had been linking to the Wikipedia article (and Google regards "wiki" as a synonym for "Wikipedia") in which case as the posts they made with the links in moved off their front pages, Wikipedia would move down again. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:11, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The sandbox link you gave there is showing us third, San.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:41, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::::The sandbox link doesn't actually work for me now, for some reason. And, re: Abates... now I look, google.com does show as fifth, while google.co.uk shows as third. I didn't realise that .com and .co.uk showed different results for a worldwide search... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::They use a bunch of different databases which all seem to be updated at different rates. I see the one the sandbox version is using has an updated version of our [[Dirk Manus]] article (which annoyingly seems to have dropped out of the database google.com is using). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Content-wise, there's not a lot we can do. We were down a lot during the period when the Great Unwashed were blogging about Transformers and didn't know to link to the ''good'' wiki.
:::SEO is server-side, and no one's seen Scout in weeks. (I'd recommend we pursue the "canonical URL" thing, which search engines are supposed to like.) I'd be happy to take a whack at it... but I don't have FTP access. :p -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:20, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::::'''Note:''' canonical url's have been added to MediaWiki 1.15, the most recent version released in June. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:33, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Another good reason to upgrade! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, another good reason to '''perform a full database backup'''.
::::::Once ''that'' is done and copies saved in at least 3 different locations... ''then'' we can attempt an upgrade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:37, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::::One hopes after the previous incident that that would be taken as read! I'd reiterate my previous query regarding regular backups, but... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:07, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Backups are fine, I'm running a test restore to an alternate machine to confirm that the beloved database is okay. If we're going to run an update, I recommend we bring the wiki back to read-only prior to a nightly backup, do a test restore, make sure said test restore is functional, and then (and only then!) attempt the upgrade on the live server. That would probably take a few hours, and you're working around our job schedules, which makes it a little hard to find us. I'd probably drop the macron fix in at that point as well. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Confirmed. I just restored yesterday's backup to an alternate machine, and the whole thing came up with a working DB, just as we'd like. Huzzah! --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 12:19, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Just as a thought... we've now (I think) cleaned out the Wikia spam from all the ''active'' pages, but obviously the page histories are all still crammed with it. When the upgrade comes, could the filter that was originally ran to clean all that out be run again? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::The filter we originally ran was on the database dump before it was restored, whereas doing an upgrade would be on the live database, so the same technique wouldn't work. I don't know that there'd be much of a benefit to go about working out a way to scrub the spam from the histories — people don't look at them that often and the search engines don't index them.
:::::::::::Also: ''awesome'' news on the backups, McFly! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:03, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

===On upgrading...===
Just checking - whenever we upgrade, the relevant version of MediaWiki allows you to move images in the same way as pages, ja?

I ask because I made a [[User:SanityOrMadness/test2|list of all the Marvel UK cover uploads]] earlier today (NB: #168 and #170 don't appear to have been uploaded in any form, and quite a few others are GIFs, blurry or tiny) for future reference, and there really is no consistently-applied naming schema. ([[:Image:PerchanceToDream.jpg|Some don't]] [[:Image:Desert island risks.jpg|even mention]] [[:Image:BludgeonUK1.jpg|the issue number]] in their names. They ''should'' all be at "Image:MarvelUK-XXX.jpg", which is the most common and consistent with the "Image:MarvelUS-XX.jpg" format for the Marvel US series.) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:13, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

:Yes, newer versions let you move images. That's one piece of functionality I'll be glad to have! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:29, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Also, judging by Wikia, images are in a File: namespace instead of the Image: namespace. Hmm. (Incidentally, if you're in need of a laugh, go to the old wikia and click on "Recent blog posts" in the sidebar. Wow.) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:49, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== So Someone at IDW Reads the Wiki it Seems... ==

Oh, hey, the wiki's back up for me. Er. I guess I'll double-post this for the folks who don't read the Allspark, then:

Someone on the IDW forums pointed this out, and I realized they're right: At the back of All Hail Megatron #14, on the page advertising All Hail Megatron 15, the blue text behind the drawing of Perceptor is taken verbatim from our G1 Perceptor entry. All of it, seriously (I did manage to check before the wiki went poof...) I actually have no idea what to think of that. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:41, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Is that in-line with [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ the CC-BY-SA licence] (or, I suppose, the GDFL depending on when they locked for print), especially the "Attribution" part of that? [I don't have the issue, since I've never bothered with AHM, so I can't check that for what was said/used] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:52, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:It means that All Hail Megatron #14 is now Creative Commons, and anyone can make a copy of it or remix it without fear of legal repressions. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:58, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::'''Edit:''' Oh, it was an ad for the next issue. Just the ad is creative commons then, no biggie. We'll see if anything make it into the issue itself.
::Seriously, this is ''exactly'' why I was suggesting we adopt [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Relicensing#Suggested_direction|a separate license]] with terms for comercial productions that already have the TF license from Hasbro/Takara, to prevent ''exactly'' that sort of legal ambiguity. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:58, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I agree we should have a license that better reflects our legal rights and not-rights... it's just the question of how to legally switch to it without the impossible task of getting permission from every wiki contributor that's the problem. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:55, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I talked about this (how to rollout a second Hasbro-friendly license) a little... somewhere in that long-winded thing I wrote.
::::I've been poking at it for a couple hours... and I think that we'd be ''best'' off invoking the principle of a "customary freehold", an unwritten legal arrangement that's seldom seen anymore (because since the 19th century all contracts have been written down) but which is still recognized to be valid.
::::That would cast us as (try to keep a straight face) untaxed tenant farmers on Hasbro's land. We keep the result of our labor, but our work also benefits Hasbro in that it cultivates their land (promotes their brand.) No contracts were signed, but our mucking about on/with Hasbro's property does not make us outlaws... but some mixture of neighbor, a guest and serf. We incur obligation to our host, and Hasbro incurs obligation to its fans... both of which can be said to be "paid down" by characterizing the kind of fractional diffusion/transmission of intellectual property that takes place between both parties is a 'gift.' (This is distinct from turning a blind eye and pretending it does not exist, because it means that Hasbro actually ''has'' a right to use a small non-specified portion of our labors... we gifted it to them!)
::::''Put more simply'', it makes fans [[Wikipedia:pilot fish|pilot fish]] existing in a mutually beneficial symbiosis with a larger corporate entity.
::::The reason I favor '''this''' solution is because
::::* That's not a license. It's an underlying legal principle that was ''always'' in effect. (In other words, it applies to all past edits.)
::::* I think this actually reflects what fans believe they are doing then they contribute to the wiki, as well as our general belief that we've incurred ''some'' (though not overwhelming) moral obligation to protect our "Landlord"'s interests.
::::* The actual second license '''itself''' would grant limited usage rights in a more explicit manner for all edits made past 11-01-2009 (or whatever), then fall back on customary freehold rights for the remainder... and only when ''that'' is exhausted does Fair use come into play. In short- "we give them explicit permission to use this portion, they had implicit permission to use a portion of the remainder, and they have a legal right to use another portion of ''that'' remainder afterward without our permission." 3 levels of diminishing legal protection that act as "catchment" for Hasbro's use of our content. They would have to '''heroically''' abuse our content-- wholesale reprinting-- to bust all 3.
::::That's pretty much the best of all possible worlds... in that it actually has some ''retroactive'' application to old content, because rather than releasing the content under this principle it recognizes that this principle had always existed, just like Fair Use always exists. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:08, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I voted for that. At least I voted as close to that as possible without knowing a whole lot about the ins-and-outs of licenses and such. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:46, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::It doesn't work that way... those come INTO the cover. They only get infected if they go OUT of it again. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:16, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

===(Edit break)===
Actually, this makes me happy. You know why? Two reasons:
#The text is very definitely from ''our'' version of the article, not Wikia's. There are passages in that promo that we wrote after the split with Wikia.
#The text includes one of our nutball captions: "Like every other tough-guy group walk in the movies..."
This tickles me pink, really.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:09, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:That's awesome, especially the (no doubt unintentional) use of the caption. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:50, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::True, I am glad to know that the IDW folks don't look at Wikia... Does this merit a mention on the issue's page itself, with a link to the current Percy revision? (And maybe a nice, clear scan of the advertisement?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:53, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think it only means the colorist of the graphic reads our Wiki. I believe it's one of the covers of AHM #15, not merely an ad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:59, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::[[:Image:AllHailMegatron15 CoverA.jpg|Yep]]. It's going to be Cover A.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:10, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ah! In that case, I think [[Joana Lafuente]] is the colorist, if I'm remembering my IDW forum posts correctly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:18, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Not surprising she'd throw a little love our way, considering. Personally, that's all I take this as.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:If Hasbro contacts us RE: that cover, can we offer to settle a nickel? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:13, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::No actually, under CC-BY-SA3, no one person or body has the ability to act as legal proxy for all contribuitors. IDW would need to contact every single person who's ever edited the Perceptor article and get them ''all'' to sign off on it. (I'm not kidding, that's actually what the code mandates.) If they fail to do this, the result ''automatically'' becomes CC-BY-SA3.
::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/45915.html ...or we could do this.] (I've been researching you see.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Wait, if AHM14 came out on August the 19th, surely they went to print ''before'' we switched licences? Marvel print in North America, and they still go to print 19 or 20 days before an issue comes out. IDW print further afield (in South Korea, wasn't it?), and even AHM15 may well have gone to print before Aug 1. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:57, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[Oh, and while you're saying the "infection" is small, and limited to the ad/cover... the "infected" cover would/will include the Transformers and IDW logos...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

===A new argument===
Okay, this is a ''little'' specious, but I'm going to throw this out and see what others think...
* Preview art is often pending approval, (particularly covers) and may receive changes prior to the actual hard-copy publication.
* It would be most accurate to say that the work is first licensed (or at least re-licensed) at the time of hard-copy publication.
* The AHM#15 ad then, would be a work unto itself... complete with ad dress.
* The AHM #15 ''cover'', which will remove this ad dress (and possibly re-crop or re-present the base illustration) before adding ''cover dress'' is a new work... ''not'' derived from the AHM#15 ad. (the ad dress was not an earlier state from which the actual cover derived-- both the ad and the cover are branches of a dress-less illustration.)
* As such, at the time of AHM#15's publication, that cover will be licensed under whatever terms we have available... and ''not'' as a derivation of the AHM#15 ad.
I'm a bit wary of this... because it seems to claim that the online previews of the cover with no dress does ''not'' count as a licensed work. Yet such previews often are listed as 'subject to change' and thus are demonstrably not a final product. (In the case of Marvel titles, they can have cover elements completely altered when they realize their penciler traced copyrighted images.) Finally, and perhaps most lamely... the text on the preview isn't legible.

(Uh... FWIW the ad itself appears to be a slight crop-down, and perhaps had its colors re-graded compared to the original preview.)
Basically this hinges on the online preview not having licensed the content from us... defining it as 'an internal work-document' whose use of our content was ''not'' yet licensed under CC-BY-SA... the licensing to take place after final approvals at the time of hardcopy publication.

(This isn't entirely crazy, fair use allows you to make a cull copy of a movie for your personal use, but you'd have to clear the rights to use more than snippets for a comercial product. Graphic designers routinely do mockups of layouts without clearing the fonts or stock photography used... only doing so after the final version is approoved. Who are we to say at what point in the process the licensing occoured? We know only that it must have happened before the end.)

Thoughts? And does anyone know the actual publication date of AHM #15? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:15, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
:Nothing more specific than "September" for the moment. With any luck IDW's newsletter will come out tomorrow so my placeholder can finally get properly sorted. (It used to be that Tipton would have an up-to-date schedule on his blog sidebar, but he seems to have stopped regularly updating it.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:02, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like it's coming out on the 16th. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:23, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:::What a lovely due-date we have! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:30, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

===Preview's out===
Preview, cover text intact: http://www.bzzurkk.com/2009/09/transformers-all-hail-megatron-15-preview/ - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:06, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:Lovely. I have drafted some [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/47225.html notes on a possible license.] Please feel free to review and respond.
:If no fundamental problems arise, I will probably beat my head against a wall tomorrow to flatten this into an actual $%^&* license text (with a forward-compatibility clause in case we discover a problem later) and propose it to the wiki for formal consideration.
:Whether or not anybody but me thinks it's a good idea... remains to be seen. - [[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

== Blinking redirects gone from Show Preview? ==
Was wondering where the triple-underlines and yellow blinking went whenever I hit "Show Preview". I might've missed the memo regarding that. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:19, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:You're right, it's not working for me either. I want that back, it was incredibly useful! :( --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like Derik made a typo when commenting out a bit of code in the stylesheet - there's a stray s after the comment. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:27, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Oops. I shall fix. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:51, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Shouldn't stuff like that be in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] anyway? Once it's tested and working, etc. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:36, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::In theory, but some people hate the blinking so I've held its status as "in development" until people either get used to it or a superior solution emerges. For example, Rosicrucian specifically asked me how to override the blinking a few weeks ago, so I think he's either messing about with different effects or at least ''intends'' to do so. Given that he's done a good chunk of our designwork (I do a lot of the template stuff, but he developed monacobook) there's a reasonable chance he's could come back with a solution everyone likes better, so holding the code as 'in development' for awhile longer is merely prudent.
:::::(If I had admin access I might feel different, but I don't, so going back to try to tweak code once it's in Common.css because you later realize it needs changing is a ''major'' hassle. So I try not to migrate these styles until they seem final and there's nothing on the horizon that seems likely to change 'em.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:00, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah. Maybe just yellow highlight and triple-underline them without the blinking? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:41, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I kinda like the animation as it catches the eye, though Firefox seems to have problems figuring out when you click on a blinking link. I'm thinking maybe if the text stays put and instead it has an animated background, which could be a small animated gif that pulses or something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:54, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Oh, so THAT'S what that was. I was getting incredibly annoyed by that. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:39, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::It's ''supposed'' to be annoying, so you'll be motivated to change the redirect to the proper link to make it go away. (I tried telling that to Rosicrucian when he complained about the blinking, but I don't think I explained it very well...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Oh, why do they have to be back?! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Maybe because they're incredibly useful? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 09:29, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::Where did I put the code I gave Rosicrucian... ah, '''here it is'''. If you truly hate the blinking, add the following to [[Special:Mypage/monacobook.css|your style page]]:
<pre>#wikiPreview a.mw-redirect{
text-decoration: underline;
}</pre>
::::::::::::That will turn blink off. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::DERIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIK!!!!!
:::::::::::::That doesn't work. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:21, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Does so. Shift-refresh to clear your cache. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:11, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I did that, and it still doesn't work. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 01:40, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Curious. You don't happen to be using Monobook as your defauly style instead of Monacobook, do you... ? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:57, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Nope. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:49, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== GoBox Problem ==

Is there something wrong with the GoBoxes? Whenever I go to [[Talk:Bulkhead syndrome]], I get a GoBox that leads to [[Max|this page]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:20, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Go-boxes for a given page will sometimes cache for short periods of time.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:09, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Can the nav-template images be variables?==
For example: The [[:Template:Nav-henkei|''Henkei! Henkei!'' nav-template]] uses the logo from the toy packaging, since that applies to the majority of the pages the template is on. However, the [[Henkei! Henkei! (Comic Bun Bun)|Comic Bun Bun ''Henkei!'' material]]
uses a completely different logo design, and it would be nice to be able to substitute it for just that page. This is one of several times I've wanted to be able to do that, and maybe there's a simple way to designate the image as a replaceable variable, but my markup-fu is weak. Any help is appreciated. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:35, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:<s>The answer seems to be "no"... for some reason, even with a default set in the parameter, the imagemap code refuses to parse the parameter's info.</s>
:<s>You could always just post the entire code of the navigation template manually on that one page with the logo code swapped...</s> --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:22, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:NM, I figured it out. You should be able to do this now:
:<nowiki>{{nav-henkei|logo=(filename)|size=(number)(unit)}}</nowiki>
:It's set up so that if the parameters aren't given, it'll just display the default, so you don't need to change the pages that do use the typical logo. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:36, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Awesooooooooome, thank you. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::No problem. :) Let me know if you need any of the other navs altered, although you should be able to just copy and paste the code and change the defaults... (actually, with my [[User:Jeysie/FranchiseNavs|idea for a code revamp]], I wonder if it might be possible to just have one nav template with all variables...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Hmm, I didn't know you were playing around with franchise-nav revisions. I actually have a grand proposal cooking up in my head for a full breadcrumb-trail nav revamp that would be applicable to basically any non-character/item/place article. The idea being that if you're at, say, an article about a comic issue, there would be a nav in the corner with links to the series, franchise, and continuity family going up in a column. And if you're at a series-article, you would be one step up in that chain, and the nav would have links to all the other series in that franchise (presented in the current style), as well as the vertically-arranged "title" links to the franchise and continuity family. Then if you're at a franchise, you get links to the other franchises in that continuity family, plus the continuity family itself. And, finally, the continuity-family articles themselves would have a nav with links to the other families. It would be a change in functionality to the effect that the cluster of little links would always be lateral, and digging down into more specific topics would require links within the articles themselves. Currently that's the case with most articles, the exception being franchises. But I think it would be incredibly awesome to have that kind of breadcrumb-trail so a reader always knows where he or she is in the multiverse at large. Plus it would help clarify how the hierarchy of families and franchises and series and so on actually works in specific cases, since that's often been a source of confusion and argument.
::::But I figure I should cobble together a working sample of some sort before I formally present the idea, and I think I might need some more markup-fu before that's even possible. Or I could make a facsimile in Flash or something... Anyway, at the very least, I think having the ability to swap out the logo image is actually a step towards making this idea happen. So thanks again!
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:27, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, my current idea was mainly just trying to simplify the existing coding a little, as well as adding some prev/next links to the continuity family section. I think the big problem with breadcrumb links is that people would have to put them in by hand, which would make filling in comic stories even more work than it already is. The "continuity family" section of the comicnav template already tends to be pretty inconsistent sometimes depending on how the person creating the page chooses to link it. (In other words, it's a nice idea, but it'd be too contingent on people filling it in correctly.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:41, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The episode nav template uses standard strings to identify continuities (like "g1toon") and then uses look-up tables to find the proper series page link for this, the proper "human-readable" for that link and even look up how many episodes there are in the series, and create automatic prev/next links as long as you give it an episode number.
:::::::The reason we use strings instead of pagenames is '''1)''' they're shorter, simpler, cleaner, more standardized... '''2)''' it means that if the page moves (or we change our mind on the naming convention) we only have to change it in ''one place'' in the lookup tables, and the link changes on hundreds of pages.
:::::::What I'm saying is... you DON'T need to force users to fill in series/franchise/family. ...just fill in the SERIES. Let the template fill in the rest! (And let you manually override the lookup if you explicitly provide variables, for maximum flexability.)
:::::::But that's not a system you can throw together by trial and error; it needs proper architecture planning or it'll be a godawful mess.
:::::::I guess what I'm saying is... if we really want to rationalize and standardize the major templates on the wiki... we need a serious meta-talk about what that means, in the broadest possible scope. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Well, the problem is... I agree it'd be pretty easy to auto-breadcrumb the TV series. But when you start getting into things like the comics and text stories, you start running into many different miniseries and individual issues, all of which fit into different continuities. I think the continuity family is already enough info for those, provided we make sure they all point to the right ones. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:48, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::That's not exactly a 'problem' as it's conventionally thought of. You could set up auto-fill-ins for the 6 most commons comics-- which would cover 70-80% of everything, but let manual values be set for the rest (or not set) to the level of detail you desire. No solution has to be 100% you know. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:05, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::No, but for stuff like the Marvel Comics it would take just as long to copy and paste in manual info as it would to paste in the new code, after all. So it's the new pages where people would have one more thing to add in that you'd really need to worry about, if it's part of that other 20%. Whereas I agree that new TV series episodes would get to have the benefit of auto-ness.
::::::::::I guess it just seems like a lot of work for little benefit, seeing as how the continuity part of the nav pretty much covers all the context necessary. Not that I don't think it's possible the ep/comicnav could use some overhaul (though what exactly I don't know; they both seem pretty complete to me), just that I don't think breadcrumbs would be an effective expenditure of time. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:43, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

::::::::I'm pretty much in agreement with that last sentiment, which is one of the reasons why I'm not technically proposing my idea yet. It needs a more concrete starting point (like a mock-up design) from which all the discussion and probably argument can branch. I have my own notions about how it could be set up in a way that wouldn't involve as much work or personal discretion as Jeysie suggests, but... well, now's not the time. Maybe later. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:12, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::So what needs revision? The episode templates-- fine. And the comic issues. And the franchise navigation. And a standard breadcrumbing system... but what else? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:17, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::I've noticed on the Marvel wiki that the "writer"/"artist" text in their issue infoboxes links to [[:Category: Writers]]. I'd liek us ot consider adding this. (Also, there's something about the size or spacing of their infoboxes I just ''like''... I think we might want to take a look at 'em when we get around to recoding.)

::::::Derik points out that in such a scenario, the breakcrumb need not be built into (for example) the episode infobox template. The more elegant solutions is something like:
<pre><nowiki> {{episode
|breadcrumb= {{breadcrumb
|continuity_family=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
|franchise=[[Armada (franchise)|]]
|series=[[Armada (cartoon)|cartoon]]
}}
}}</nowiki></pre>
::::::...where you'd be pass the whole breadcrumb template as a parameter to another template. That way if the breadcrumb also has to show up in other templates... there's a standard code, standard styling, etc. Cleaner simpler code, easier to maintain, more universal, easier to work with, less percussive maintenence, etc.
::::::That's not a solution to everything though, because we've got two prev/next/series navs for comics, and some of the Marvel issues could use ''four'' or more. Stacking 4 of those things is retarded, and pointless. We need a more rational means of addressing republished stuff. I went to look up when a certain Marvel UK issue was published the other day and we '''didn't have the information'''. ...because it was published in the US first, and our template only has one "pub date" field. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:52, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

::Sankyuu! Henkei needs a bit more love. :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:59, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

===Jeysie's infobox===
<div style="border:solid 2px #def;float:right;margin:0 1em 1em 1em;text-align:center;width:300px;">
'''Prisoner of War!'''
<div style="margin:1em .25em .5em .25em;">[[Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|frameless|230px]] Is he strong? Listen, [[Bud]], he made Megatron go thud.</div>
{|cellspacing="0" style="margin:.5em 0;text-align:left;width:100%;"
|-
!colspan="2" style="background:#def;margin:0;padding:.5em 0;text-align:center;"|[[Marvel Comics]]
|-
!style="padding:.5em .5em .2em .5em;"|Cover date
|style="padding:.5em .5em .2em .5em;text-align:right;"|January 1985
|-
!style="padding:.2em .5em .5em .5em;"|Street date
|style="padding:.2em .5em .5em .5em;text-align:right;"|[[October 2]], 1984
|-
|colspan="2" style="text-align:center;"|[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
|}
{|style="background:#def;padding:.5em 0;width:100%;"
|-
!style="border:outset 3px #9cf;font-size:125%;padding:0 .2em;"|[[Power Play!|«]]
![[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #3
!style="border:outset 3px #9cf;font-size:125%;padding:0 .2em;"|[[The Last Stand|»]]
|-
!style="border:outset 3px #9cf;font-size:125%;padding:0 .2em;"|[[Power Play!|«]]
![[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #5–6
!style="border:outset 3px #9cf;font-size:125%;padding:0 .2em;"|[[The Last Stand|»]]
|}
{|style="padding:.5em;text-align:right;width:100%;"
|-
!style="text-align:left;"|Writer
|[[Jim Salicrup]]
|-
!style="text-align:left;"|Penciler
|[[Frank Springer]]
|-
!style="text-align:left;"|Inker
|[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Jim Esposito]]
|-
!style="text-align:left;"|Colorist
|[[Nelson Yomtov]]
|-
!style="text-align:left;"|Letterers
|[[Janice Chiang]] & Others
|-
!style="text-align:left;"|Editor
|[[Bob Budiansky]]
|}
</div>
I remember doing this rough tweak idea based on Derik's comment that he liked the Marvel wiki's infobox.

Not very ''much'' of a tweak, admittedly, as I actually like our current setup for the most part. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:46, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:Okay, some things:
:#{{tl|comicstory}} is used for a LOT more than, well, comic stories, to the point that the template name is bad. But unless you want to go and find/change all of those uses (and they're pretty diverse, I don't think you could bot them), it's pretty much impossible to change the broad layout of the template.
:#Moving the back/forward navigation from the top (where it's easily accessible) to a point where it would be ''below the fold'' on netbooks, e-readers and less up to date PCs? Are you seriously suggesting that?!
:Seriously, I don't "get" the ideas behind the layout here at all. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:00, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::They all use pretty much the same setup, actually, if you look at them. I can't think of any usage on text stories and books that is seriously different offhand... they have different credit/info types, yes, but they go visually in the same places. I would probably put things like page count and ISBN in the "publisher" box. 
::And like I said, I was emulating the Marvel wiki infobox, which actually has the navigation at the ''bottom''. But essentially... I wanted to get the title up top, and make a "publisher" section, and a "credits" section... and the navigation made a good visual divider between the last two sections. I agree it's kind of weird, though... I could see moving it back up to the top under the title and just having a thick border in its place between the bottom two sections.
::Like I said, it's pretty minor stuff... I think our infobox is just about perfect as-is, really. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:10, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

:::It's not just stories. The [[Hasbro Q&A]] pages use it. The Collectors' Club Magazine pages use it, along with other non-story content from magazines, etc. What's the "title" in those instances?
:::Moreover, why move the title to the top at all? The title is already written in big letters at the top of the page on a single-story page, or at the top of the section on multi-story pages. Below the cover is a good place for it.
:::And the cover date & street date are hanging in no-man's land here, with no association with any relevant information - it looks like ''Marvel Comics'' had a street date of Oct 2, 1984.- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:37, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::::We'd leave the title off. You know, just like we do for miniseries ''already''? Sheesh, I love it when people complain about something "new" without realizing the wiki already does it.</sarcasm>
::::That said, if we move the navigation back to the top, we could move the title back under the picture again. I guess it just seems to me like it's the "first" bit of info about a book, and you could use your comment as an argument towards leaving out the title bit entirely anyway.
::::I like my publisher idea, though... it separates the meta-info about the book from the credits. And the publisher's name makes the most logical sense to use in a section heading. Like you said, the title's at the top, so I have a hard time thinking anyone's going to think the street date has to do with the publisher's name instead of the issue the article's about. I like to assume basic intelligence on the part of the reader. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:53, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:::Our existing comicstory template is already deficient in presenting multi-part stories: I went to look up when [[Target: 2006]] was published... and discovered it had no date. And why ''should'' it? The article spans several issues, with no single correct date to give!
:::(I happen to think presenting the UK stories in 1 article like this is stupid... but I lost that fight a long time ago, so the template might as well address it well.) -23:44, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Er. What's wrong with just listing all the dates in the date section, or a range of dates? We already do that for Man of Iron, IIRC. I don't see what the big deal is there. It's a date field... no reason it can't have more than one date in it.
::::The only accommodation I might make is adding extra "story 2" credits to make credits for multiple stories a bit tidier, but that's less a major change and more just a tweak. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:53, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

====Counter-proposal====
{{:User:SanityOrMadness/infobox}}
Keeps the basic layout of the current {{tl|comicstory}} (including keeping the '''issue numbers''' rather than the title at the top, which I consider key), but separates the meta-info from the story info (which is headed by the title, as it should be. I would prefer to use separate infoboxen for separate stories on the same page, but you could have separate subsections for separate stories, each headed by the title, if it was thought desirable). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 08:55, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:I definitely agree with San here that the navigation info ''needs'' to be at the top. It's just counter-intuitive otherwise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:15, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::I like the idea of separate credit sections in the same infobox for separate stories in a single issue, with the titles of each story as the header; I was going to suggest that myself. We could always do a "if/then" clause so the extra section only shows up if one of the pertinent parameters is used. (I think stacking entire infoboxes might get a bit too cluttered, plus it's nice to see a whole issue's overview right at the top, but I'm willing to see a mockup if someone thinks that might work better.)
::I find myself wondering if continuity should be in the navigation somehow, as then we could potentially tag it as a separate prev/next series if need be. I know that I was reading the Axiom Nexus text stories, for instance, and there seems to be a lack of a good way to show how some stories relate to each other in terms of reading order when the actual publication order in the franchise it's released under has stuff in between. (The Shattered Glass stories at least had the ready excuse of being stuck under that franchise for the navigation...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:01, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::''I like the idea of separate credit sections in the same infobox for separate stories in a single issue, with the titles of each story as the header; I was going to suggest that myself.''
::::Betcha weren't :p [Seriously, with the title up top out of the way, you couldn't do anything of the sort]
::::Anyhoo, the main reason I'm a bit reluctant to put multiple stories together in such a fashion is that it would seem to divorce the latter stories from the infobox with their credits. If they end up so close together that the infoboxen actually '''stack''' and push the info ''away'' from the story in question, put them together in one infobox by all means. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:39, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Betcha I was. Because hey, you could put the title of the issue at the top (or not, if the issue doesn't actually have a title), and the title of the individual stories in the credit sections. It's funny how that works. :D
:::::And, like I said, if someone can do a mockup of dual infoboxes that doesn't look silly, I could buy it. As it is, I just think it'd be weird basically having two separate pages on one page. I like the idea of the infobox itself being devoted to the comic issue as a whole. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:01, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:::I am uncomfortable with the "dual navigation" system simply because... some of these stories have now been published 3 or '''4''' times. No previous/next for them? They don't get credits or publication dates? What if I '''want''' to know when IDW published an issue of "Prey," how many parts of that story they published (IDW doubled up content from 2 UK issues) or anything else important?
:::We're just tossing aside republishing info because our template doesn't support it. Same problem with the dates being left off multi-part stories... if it's nto clear how to add the information, the information becomes lost. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:40, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Isn't the point of the '"dual-navigation" system' to record '''contemporaneous''' republication? [Marvel US in Marvel UK/Marvel G2 in Fleetway G2/IDW Beast Wars & AHM in Titan TF (...actually we don't currently do that last set, although we should)/etc]. That is, we wouldn't record an IDW "Best of the UK" as such even if it was the first such reprinting, because it was twenty years later?
::::If you try to fit ''four'' sets of data in one poor infobox, it would become unmanageably and unreadably large. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:39, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I don't disagree.
:::::Speaking of... right now our navigation at the top of such boxes is (in theory) publication order... but with a weird mix-in of reading order too.
:::::Should it become one or the other? And which is of primary importance? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:32, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::...Didn't I more or less say that a few comments above? I think maybe we should have both... the main navigation(s) being publication order, then a third "continuity" section with a link to the issue's continuity and the prev/next reflecting proper reading order. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:12, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The thing about THAT idea is that the issue doesn't necessarily reflect the continuity if you want one infobox per page - take the AHM "coda" issues, or the Animated ''Arrival'' issues as examples, since they have multiple stories on one page. There's no one continuity place for those issues, since they're anthologies which take place out of order. You'd have to do the continuity nav at the ''story'' level, rather than the issue level. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:52, 21 September 2009 (EDT)

I've started work on fleshing out changes at {{tl|Comicstory beta}} (relevant: [[Template:Comicstory beta/Example]]), but there's one major bit that I'm not sure how to deal with - Editors. Sometimes, editors work on the story level (to the point you could have separate editorial teams working on the different stories in the same issue, although I'm not aware of any TF examples off the top of my head), but sometimes they work at the issue level, overseeing a load of non-story content in addition to any stories in the issue (the latter's more common in the UK - US comics tend to have a letters page at most for non-story content). And so I'm having trouble placing where the various editorial credits should go - I've bunged them under a separate "Editorial" header temporarily, but I'm not happy with that - I want them under the story, or under the Publication info... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:00, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
{{--}}

===CSS rationalization===
While discussing rewriting our HTML... we should also probably discuss CSS rationalization.

Right now our code has absolutely no regard for what the page looks like printed. (Those messageboxes at the top of pages probably don't need to be there when printed.) Do we want our links to have addresses when printed? For example, I believe CSS could make [[Optimus Prime (G1)|this link]] print like this link ("Optimue Prime (G1)") or like this link ( http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1) ) or like this link ( tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1) ), any of which would be 'friendlier' for printed-out versions.

Of course, if this was applied to excessively [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PotHole PotHole'd] articles, the text it might become almost unreadable. Perhaps smaller or faded text would make tooting my own horn User:Derik less obtrusive when printed. Regardless what's decided for article text, I strongly believe that ''storylinks'' should have the disambig visible when printing. King of the Hill (Armada episode)

Printing, I grant you, is a fairly minor concern. But what about syndication? A few people are beginning to [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/history.asp dynamically syndicate] our content. Botch went to some trouble to remove our messageboxes and various other elements-- he just wanted the guts of the article. If we'd attached standard classes to templates (ones that have '''no CSS''' associated with them as far as TFWiki is concerned) he could have just syndicated the page as-is and hidden those elements with a few lines of CSS! (If nothing else, the storylinks need a class marking them... that seems like something that many would like to hide.)

Live page syndication is clumsy. (And I need to yell at Botch, because IIRC he's doing his in a terrible way, from our server's perspective.) But if we ''encourage'' it, it's another tool in our promotional quiver! (There was a PHP script I was working on the other month that actually has some ''fairly good'' TFWiki-specific syndication. If that was polished and made easy to use, it could have some legs.)

Soto-voice snark aside-- we really need classed like ''.noPrint'' and ''.printOnly.'' And when we redo our episode/issue infoboxes... the tables should be tested to they print nicely, '''and''' we should publish the CSS people can use to turn various 'bits off. (Or a 'general guide to site CSS', if only for our OWN use.)

How about this...? We've been moving a LOT of our code out of HTML and into CSS. One of the effects of this is that simply syndicating [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Package_art&action=render the "rendered" page]... a lot of the HTML layouts are gobbeltygook. Should we have a consideration for syndicators who don't include our CSS file? Maybe templates we know are unlikely to be wanted can be flagged with a ''.noSyndicate'' class, making it easy to hide them? Or we should have a Syndicate.css file that includes the bare-minimum CSS code for templates to lay out right? Should ''some'' templates (<nowiki>{{quote}}</nowiki>, for instance) be rewritten so that they will render in a readable (if not ideal) fashion even if no css is included? Is there a "scale" these questions all fall on... a sort of "how important is this element to the content of the page?" spectum, where at the low end we don't care and tell people to hide it, at the middle we provide identifying tags so they can be hidden, or a truncated CSS file so they render nice, and at the high end we write the HTML so the element will always be readable even without CSS to make it pretty? (That last one means code that's less contextual. Where do our priorities lie?)

These are philosophical issues. None are especially high priority, but the "cost" of addressing them is relatively tiny, so if we're doing some thorough redesigning... it'd be a good idea.

Some elements we have (like main pages) sometimes get quite "big" (laid out in a fashion that accepts a minimum of 500+ pixels wide.) Is it worth adding a ''.bigElement'' class or a ''.mobile'' class so that those elements can have code written in a mobile device CSS file that reduces their size? Is this even a concern for new mobile devices, which scale easily? How to Kindles handle them? Do e-readers support javascript? What about tablets and wireless internet devices?

More and more, content on the internet is going to be viewed by something other than what we normally think of as a "web browser," and because web-''developers'' spend all their time in web browsers they often neglect these outlets. We do not have to bend over backward to accommodate these technologies... if problems do arise, they will probably be the 90/10 sort; 90% of the solution/benefit can be accomplished with just 10% of the effort. '''Example:''' When [http://tformers.com a certain news site] rolled out their home page redesign several years ago, it mis-rendered on some versions of Safari-- pushing the story content below the left navigation bar. In short... the page appeared '''blank'''. This problem remained unfixed for almost a year-- it was caused by the nav rendering just ''one'' pixel too wide, pushing a floated layout down. This remained unfixed for almost a year. I'm sure that this bug only affected maybe 1% of site visitors. But after a year of blank pages... that 1% also probably '''stopped visiting'''. 1% over the course of a year is a ''lot'' of lost pageviews, it's like having your site be down for 3 days.

Anyway... that's my rant. There's no solutions there... just ideas/concerns/meta.

If other people are interested in discussing this sort of thing... may I suggest we create a dumping ground at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Quantum Cycle Upgrade]] where we can gather thoughts/issues about long-term infrastructure upgrades? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

:Picking up on just one thing for now:
::''Those messageboxes at the top of pages probably don't need to be there when printed''
:Thing about that is that they DO contain information you might want when printed that isn't contained elsewhere on a page (the writer of a story, for instance).
:I could certainly see a certain degree of stripping down the messageboxen for printing as a good idea (take a look at http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=End_of_the_Road!_(US)&printable=yes - it's not even just the {{tl|comicstory}} [which has become a bad name for that template as its' uses have multiplied...] box - the {{tl|featuredcharacters}} box further down could do with being stripped for print. And I'm not sure the {{tl|disambig2}} needs to be visible at all.), but I'm not sure about hiding them by default. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::I agree about stripping those kinds of things down... but when I said "messageboxes" I meant things like "picsneeded"; those have an ''enormous'' footprint, and they print. Their ''entire purpose'' is to alert editors of page deficiencies.... but people reading print-outs aren't editing those the pages, it's pointless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:32, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah. I wasn't thinking of those, just {{tl|comicstory}} and {{tl|episode}}. Yeah, removing {{tl|picsneeded}} and its ilk would make sense. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:20, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

== "(Marvel Comics)" or "(Marvel comic)" ==

*[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)]] (Jackpot moved it in June on the basis of "Consistency with how we treat other parenthetical comic-company names, such as "(Dreamwave comic)" instead of "(Dreamwave Productions)")
*[[Generation 2 (Marvel Comics)]] (Interrobang ''just got the (Marvel comic) redirect deleted'' on one of his rampages)
*[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] (appears to have always been here)
*[[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)]]

Would it be too much to suggest that we '''pick one and stick with it'''? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 08:43, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, not to mention Marvel UK's [[Collected Comics (Marvel)]], nor the characters [[Decepticon medic (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Jose (Marvel Comics)]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 08:54, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::[[Talk:The Transformers (Marvel comic)#(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)|The last discussion]] kind of stalled on the question of whether or not to have "Comics"/"comic" at all. Technically speaking, "(Marvel)" does the job. Before, I was favoring "(Marvel comic)", but I think now I'm leaning towards just "(Marvel)" because seriously, parentheticals should be as short as possible. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 09:24, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[Marvel Productions]] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:27, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Considering that Marvel Productions was apparently a child company of Marvel Comics, I don't see that as a problem. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:19, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Marvel Productions (now defunct) relates to the '''cartoon'''. Marvel Comics (obviously) relates to the comics. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Considering that any Marvel Comics-specific concept or character is either going to have the Comicnav template or some form of "Marvel Comics continuity" on the page... I ''still'' don't see a problem. Anything that comes from the cartoon is going to be just (G1) or say "cartoon continuity" since Sunbow is always the main company known for cartoon stuff. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:09, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

:"Rampages"? Really, now. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::I hereby dub thee a "Deckchair Rampage"! Hurrah, we now hast a term by which to call it! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:43, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

== Talk page "dead link" removal ==

Can I ask what is behind the mass removal of "dead links" on talk pages? Does having "dead links" on talk pages mess something up? I'm just curious. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for one thing, dead links that are not meant to link pages do somewhat pollute the "Wanted pages" index. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:45, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Oh. I'm surprised talk page links show up on "wanted pages." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:58, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

== Images for deletion ==

[[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] has marked a pile of unused images for deletion. Some of them, I suspect, are unused because of the Bookworm crash, like the pictures of Lipoles. I've made a start on some of them, but if anyone wants to pitch in and fix up some of the images we should keep, be my guest! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:59, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:True, part of them are, um, "victims"(sort of) of the Bookworm crash, such as [[:Image:Convoy BT.jpg]] and several others. I think those pictures should be hold and got checked/salvage for a while before being deleted. I've check the [[:Category:To be deleted]], but I can only recognize a few. People can check their watch list or Category:To be deleted to help ID those pictures they(users) know where they(pictures) belong to. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:26, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:I've noticed that several of them aren't "unused" per se--they're not used as images anywhere, but they're still wikilinked to. For example, [[:Image:Fat guard.JPG]] says "There are no pages that link to this file", but if you check "What links here", you'll see that [[Capture the Cube]] does in fact link to it. So before anyone deletes any images, I suggest checking if anything is wikilinking to them first. --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 08:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, I noticed a while back that the section under the image that lists pages which link to it only includes pages where the image is actually embedded. Plus some images are used in the site skin or CSS files, like the logos [[User:Derik|Derik]] set up to appear after links to certain sites. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:30, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Are we intending to resurrect the community-nav template? The images used on it were among those tagged for deletion... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:11, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:I'll take that as a no. And down to 150 pictures now. Again, if anyone wants to take a look through [[:Category:To be deleted]] in case anything they recognise where the images are supposed to go, please do! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:16, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

Down to 76 images. Most of those left were uploaded during the crash period, so any information about where they were intended to go is lost. Some of them, like Mugheads.jpg, are from lost talk pages. Some, like Tflive_logo_stacked.jpg, might be still useful for something. The two covers for The Ark II probably should be on the appropriate page. Some, like Mort-icons.png and Tf gf 002 back.jpg, I don't have the foggiest what they were intended for... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:23, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Wikicode problems ==

I've noticed that a "=" (equals sign) in a URL linked as a source in a quote tag results in the entire source section not being displayed in the article. Example:
{{quote|I told them that I would literally commit suicide if they made an action figure of me. I will kill myself.|Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}
I fiddled around with the URL and nailed the source of the problem down to the "=". Is this problem common knowledge?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:15, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
: Been toying around my userpage.
: Check it out:
: <pre><nowiki>{{factions|former|decepticon}}</nowiki></pre>
: "former" (or whatever you write) is shown.
: <pre><nowiki>{{factions|=former|decepticon}}</nowiki></pre>
: "=" renders the text invisible.

: seems like "=" affects templates.

: hah. funny. -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 10:55, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

: '''EDIT:''' I'm so dumb... "=" is one of parameters used in templates. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template] -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 11:03, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

::Is there any way to solve that problem? "=" appears in quite a few URLs.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:26, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

:::As Silver surmised, it's down to the equals being a template parameter.
:::Your options are:
:::#Escape the "=" as &#61; - [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International]
:::#Feed it through a URL shortener like TinyURL or bit.ly - [http://tinyurl.com/p36l6q Entertainment News International]
i.e.:
{{quote|I told them that I would literally commit suicide if they made an action figure of me. I will kill myself.|Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}
:::- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:36, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Just add a "2=" to the code: <nowiki>{{quote|Blahblah|2=Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}</nowiki>
{{quote|Blahblah|2=Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}
::::[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:37, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== "Murder" Category II ==

For some reason, it automatically deletes itself when I try to create it.

Weird. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:I'm pretty shore it's not supposed to be created, just like the things that don't exist category. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 06:38, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::The Things that don't exist doesn't automatically delete itself. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:19, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I know but those two categories are not to be created it's part of the joke. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:29, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== Sourcing statements ==

I've recently dealt with a bunch of articles where statements were either entirely unsourced, or just broadly attributed to a source without more specific details (such as, just naming a magazine without stating the volume, issue number, date, page number etc., or not linking the online article/interview). I've spent quite some time tracking down the sources and then fixed the statements to better reflect ''what is actually said in those sources''. Basically, someone read a magazine interview and then added some trivia bits from memory, that kind of thing.

Should we have a more rigid mandate that statements should credit sources? I'm not talking Wikipedia-esque anal-retentive "author name, title of article, date of publication, date of accessing" details and sources for general knowledge stuff such as "Devastator has a Supreme Class toy in the ROTF toyline". But anything that is definitely based on a single source should better be followed by a footnote. Especially since a lot of these unsourced statements eventually turn out to be urban myths.

Should we make this a mandate, and if yes, how should we enforce it?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:25, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:It [[Help:Citing sources|already is a mandate]], [[Help:Style guide#Cite sources|technically speaking]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:34, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
::That's more of a style guide rather than an actual rule, though. My thought is something similar to what (at least the German version of) Wikipedia does: When you click "submit", you're shown a warning that asks you to make sure you have sourced your statements. It's not too obtrusive (clicking "submit" a second time will submit your text anyway), but it does drive home the point.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 15:19, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Our style guides ''are'' rules, pretty much. And that one at least is definitely a specific policy. If we had to mandate every single rule we had before every edit, the Submit screen would have a sea of text. The best we can do is try to encourage newbies to actually read our Help and Policy pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:26, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== This Day in Transformers History ==
We should try to turn the This Day in Transformers History into an exportable module, like our Go-Boxes. It'll help our SEO by encouraging links back to us as well as give us another source of dynamically-generated deep links to help users discover our content. We have info for all 366 days, we should exploit it. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:46, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:Speaking of history, today is the 25th anniversary of the premiere of the G1 cartoon right? Want to mention that anywhere? --[[User:SuzyP|SuzyP]] 18:35, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

== Boxes gone from disambig templates? ==

I noticed the disambiguation templates don't seem to have those gray boxes behind them anymore. Is this intentional? Because it's confusing. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 08:16, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:Derik shifted the CSS styling into the stylesheet. Your browser probably had the old stylesheet cached, but a shift-reload should fix it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:20, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, it did actually. Thanks! -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 08:29, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

And they (well, the ones Derik hit anyway) sprouted a thick grey left border in the transition because...? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:34, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:I forget the reason. Rest assured that it did make sense though!
:Main advantage of switching the disambig boxes to CSS: When you have multiple in a row, they stack prettier without a double-outline between them. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:47, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:::''I forget the reason. Rest assured that it did make sense though!''
::If that's not a Derikism, it deserves to be. (And is the main reason why I'm scared of changing to external CSS rather than inline CSS - you having the keys to the styles virtually unfettered, since those admins who could either override or yank the emopanda CSS mostly either don't know how or are absent much of the time)
::So now we have disambig templates that are unique amongst messageboxen in a particularly... nondescript way. Different enough to be irritating, not different enough to serve any real purpose. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:09, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Eh? Oh, I thought I changed it back. (I remembered why they had a border on the left... I was testing something and decided it didn't work, I didn't realize it was still on.)
:::In theory Scout was going to make some changes last week to move us out of the existing CSS situation with much less living in my dev file... but she seems to have forgotten... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:24, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::::What was she planning to do? I can have a crack at it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:29, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Move a bunch of stuff to [[MediaWiki:common.css]], I expect.
:::::(Note the difference between Common.css [all skins, including the ones no-one uses like Simple and MySkin], Monacobook.css [Monacobook only] and Monobook.css [Monobook only]. Scout [[User_talk:Suki_Brits#.22Fixed.22_Monobook|forgot about Monobook]] the last time common.css was edited. Incidentally, where did she ultimately put those changes? They ain't in the empty Monacobook.css.) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:44, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::I have a suspicion that the plan may be to create a new user class with rights to edit css files here (in which case I don't have the necessary access rights to do so)... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:59, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::That was the one. :) Either she forgot, or she tried and it didn't work. I'll bug her when I remember. (It's not like it's pressing... it's been needing doing for some time so it can wait a bit longer.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:33, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::And to answer the css question, the changes are in [http://tfwiki.net/w2/skins/monacobook/tt1.css this file] which isn't editable through the Mediawiki interface. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:03, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"Scout, I have 3 requests."
:::::::"No, no, yes if I don't have to do any work."
:::::::-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:51, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

== Guess what..... ==

I've just decided to check our statistics for no apparent reason, and we have 9,588 "legitimate content pages", whatever that means. So then I randomly decided to check out the Wikia page (which, by the way, has had the same Featured Article for God-knows-how-long), and guess what?

7,209 pages. We're beating them out by 2,349 pages, which is quite a lot. Who thinks we can hit 10,000 soon? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:15, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:No problem. ...though it's about quality, not quantity. ;) -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 15:24, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::I can tell you the quality of their articles as well.
::Nonexistent. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:29, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh, you're too harsh. Anyways, I know this wiki's the best 'cause I checked all TF wikis before I've decided to join... -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 15:45, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I can personally testify, we ''delete'' articles that aren't up to snuff and don't look like they're going to be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:36, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:Now I'm interest in knowing how many articles the original wiki had back before the big split. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 15:57, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::Somewhere around [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Arriving#A_spirit_of_healthy_competition|6890 or so]]. I should note that our current total is artificially inflated by about 75 due to the "ghost" pages causing the macron issue, so our total's nearer 9513 or so. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:36, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::@Silvery: I'm not being that harsh. Here's some examples. And I know, this will give them slightly more traffic.
:::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Soundwave_(Movie) Their ROTF Soundwave page.]
:::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/All_Hail_Megatron Their All Hail Megatron page. Count the red links.] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:53, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
::::You're too harsh in a "hit 'em when they're down" sense. It's called "irony". :P -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 04:11, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I get a bit of personal pride whenever I compare our Shattered Glass section to theirs. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:11, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I weep whenever i read the Animated articles...Sentinel Prime's page is the best example.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:00, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::I just removed an ''{ongoing}'' tag from their Animated Perceptor's page. What the hell? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:08, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Also, for some reason, someone back there REALLY liked deleting my stuff. They liked it so much in fact, that my contributions page has been wiped clean. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:23, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Also, Monaco now screws up page layouts when you move mainpics to where they're meant to be! (That's what it does on another wiki I happen to be an admin on, anyway.) Woo-freakin'-hoo. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:37, 23 September 2009 (EDT)
:[[Image:What was wikia thinking.PNG|300px|thumb|Wikia, ''seriously?'']]
:Look at the image, and be confused as to why anyone would want to see the ads? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:36, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
::That option was actually put in due to user feedback. It's so they can view pages with the ads still in place and modify the layout to not look like ass.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:17, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I just checked their Shattered Glass (comic) page, and hell, they've not even added Soundwave, Rumble, Long Haul...I also feel a bit of pride since I uploaded the images and started writing most of those :) --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 20:00, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
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== Reading Order ==
When the wiki began in 2006, reading order was a clear and obvious thing. It was straight publication order-- and even if broken up into minis like Dreamwave did, they followwed a logical "volume" order.

...IDW is nowwhere near that clean. Characters literally leave one aeries, appear in another, bunches of stories are interwoven. I think we should consider creating an IDW "reading order" page, simply because reading order is not the same as publication order, is not the same as chronological order. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:41, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
:[[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/IDW-G1 recommended reading order]] :3 --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== OK.....weird. ==

Did someone *looks at Derik* break the block log, or is it meant to only show blocks up to March this year? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:14, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:Also, how didn't I get an edit conflict when Jimsorenson and I were trying to delete the same duplicate section at the same time?
:Derik, please don't break the wiki. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:16, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
::Think back to what happened in March.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:23, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Oh yeah.
:::STUPID BOOKWORM! *scream is heard across the world* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:27, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, not everything is Derik's fault. On the other hand, many awesome improvements to the site ''are''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:56, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::I may have been reading a bit too much Community Portal Archives recently. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:23, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Derik breaking things is generally content, template, or presentational related-- despite all the joking, I have only ever broken the core of the site itself once. (And even then, it was for less than 10 minutes, Siph was nice enough to delete the page that was giving the site's database epileptic fits.)
::::::I'm actually rather ''proud'' of that one-- insofar that it was ''supposed'' to be completely impossible, but I somehow managed to do it! (This was back on Bookworm, I suspect their server bog-down issues contributed to making my impossible feat happen.)
::::::When I break stuff it tends to be more localized or cosmetic. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:46, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Speaking of local/cosmetic issues, the automatic archive listing on this page does not appear to want to display archive 39.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:48, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::The one that doesn't exist yet?
::::::::Also, [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive29#So.2C_Derik_broke_the_site.|This]] is incredibly funny. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:04, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Oh, it most definitely exists. Click on archive 38, then use the archive navigation at the top to go to the next archive. 39 is already populated.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:09, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Vote to move that page to "Things that don't exist". --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:19, 22 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::That might be because the nav you're referring to isn't automatic. Just the ones in the individual archives. - {{unsigned|Derik| - who thought there actually were five lights in that TNG ep :p}} 16:03, 22 September 2009 (EDT)

== Something I just came up with..... ==

Because I absolutely loathe our current ''<nowiki>{{caption bastard}}</nowiki>'' tag, I came up with this.

{{messagebox
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|header=Your humour escapes me, Starscream.
|message_text=If you haven't contributed anything, we'd really rather you didn't simply change jokes or add new ones without adding actual content. This also holds true for removing captions whole-hog or replacing them with "information" that really isn't.
Write an episode summary, check out the Most Wanted Pages list or the Stubs list.

For further information, see: [[Project:Caption]].

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--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:03, 24 September 2009 (EDT)

Tough. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:51, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
:You're pretty obsessed with caption edits.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:57, 24 September 2009 (EDT)
::I was very bored that day. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 01:50, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

{{messagebox
|justification=center
|header=Your humour escapes me, Starscream.
|message_text=If you haven't contributed anything, we'd really rather you didn't simply change jokes or add new ones without adding actual content. This also holds true for removing captions whole-hog or replacing them with "information" that really isn't.
Write an episode summary, check out the [[Special:Wantedpages|Most Wanted Pages]] list or the [[:Category:Stub|Stubs]] list. 
:''For further information, see: [[Project:Caption]].''
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:Just a minor layout change. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 09:35, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
::Well it definitely looks better now. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:39, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

== Keep an Eagle Eye (ROTF) ==

I notice that the first DVD-rips of ROTF have begun to drop-- 3 weeks before the movie is out on DVD. Be wary of a flurry of new screencaps appearing. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:20, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== TF Wiki link forum signatures = spam = loss of google ranking? ==

Somebody on a Macross forum reported that posting links to their website via forum signatures counted as spam, which took a major hit in their site's google ranking, and it was the same for Digg linking. Since I'm not that net savvy, I'm waiting for the guy to provide more info about this, but we should probably discuss it here anyway: To our more tech and net-experienced members - does linking to our wiki via our forum signatures (as suggested and encouraged by our staff during the move last year) actually count as spam in Google's eyes and hurt our search ranking? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 27 September 2009 (EDT)
:No. The worst that Google would do would be to ignore the links for the purposes of ranking. If Google ''did'' demote sites based on forum signatures, people would start putting links to their competitor's sites in their signatures. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:23, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

== WTF? ==

Why does [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive11|Archive 11]] even exist? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:35, 1 October 2009 (EDT)

== Obscure BW comic, anyone? ==

Alright for the past while now, I've been looking up and adding in obscure Beast Wars products. I remembered both the Mutating Card Game and both Jigsaw Puzzles, and I've already taken note to add those in. But one piece of memorabilia that has still eluded me is a really old comic... My memory's a bit fuzzy on this one, and I can't quite recall if it was a seperate mini-comic from the two-pack of "Optimus vs. Megatron!" or if the scenes I'm remembering are part of that comic as well.
The only scenes I recall from said comic are the opening, where a pre-earth mode Cheetor peeks through some vegetation to reveal a (very small) crystal. The subsequent dialog explained that they had to take on beast modes to overcome the toxic radiation of the crystal (much like the tv show).
Anyone has any similar recollection? Or if anyone has scans of the "Optimus vs. Megatron!" mini-comic to clear up wether or not it is a scene from that comic that I'm remembering, I'd appreciate it. In any case, I hope I'm not going crazy and remembering a comic that doesn't exist, because as far as I can tell, it's not listed on the Beast Wars comics page. Thanks --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:23, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

:It's not the "Optimus Primal Vs. Megatron!" comic, that one starts with Primal(in beast mode) flying in the sky, and then Cheetor running in the dark with a glow in his eyes. Unless you mistake the sparkle in his eyes for a crystal, it's not the same comic.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:41, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

== Categories for modes? ==

I've been trying to find out which transformer one of my old toys is, and I'd hoped I could compare it against each of the transformers with an aeroplane mode - but I couldn't find such a list. So I wondered whether it would be a good idea to have categories for the transformers' modes, so I could go to [[:Category:Aeroplanes]] and look it up like that. Good idea? I'm not volunteering to do the legwork :-) [[Special:Contributions/86.7.22.40|86.7.22.40]] 06:50, 5 October 2009 (EDT)
:[http://tfu.info/ID/index.htm This external link] might help. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:56, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

== "Notes" ==
When did we start changing all the "Trivia" subheaders to "Notes"? ...And why even bother?--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 20:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Someone stated that they hated the header "Trivia" as it made the info seem inconsequential when sometimes it was actually useful/relevant, and those of us who thought they had a point started going along with that thought. (Although much to my annoyance I don't recall off-hand who said it or where, other than I think maybe it was on one of the Shattered Glass articles.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:34, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::It becomes irritating to me since "Notes" was solely confined to the comics and media articles and "Trivia" was confined to character and toy pages, so now we've got a bunch of random character pages with a "Notes" section (Hot Rod character page, for instance) and others with a "Trivia" section (Hot Rod toy page, for instance) for no particular reason. It looks sloppy and I have no idea whether I should be trying to track down and reset the headings to one or the other or if I'll get warned for it.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 23:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::"Someone" was probably me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:16, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, you're our resident cruft inquisition!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:18, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

:::I think some page's contents in the Trivia sections is, um, mixed up with notes (relevant but can't be put in other section) and trivia (a little irrelevant BUT notable) things. So, maybe page like this would still need a trivia section, that is, separate their Trivia section into Trivia and Notes section. Of course, that may involve subjective view of the users who edit the page.--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:19, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::So are we going to decide on some form of consistent change or just use the two words randomly?--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 02:31, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've been changing pages to "Notes" as I work them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:34, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It'd also be a fairly easy bot request.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:38, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Easy as long as you have a full list of the pages on the wiki. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:39, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It's not as simple as it might appear - we have [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|episode pages]] with Notes sections with Trivia subsections, so the bot would have to take that into account (and a blanket change of #Trivia anchors wouldn't be possible because some will be legitimately pointing to those Trivia sections). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:56, 7 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::In the case of the bot request I made, I specifically said to replace <nowiki>==Trivia==</nowiki> with <nowiki>==Notes==</nowiki>. The pages you reference have <nowiki>===Trivia===</nowiki>, which should be possible to exclude in a search.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:54, 7 October 2009 (EDT)

== Preventing direct image linking ==

As we know, the wiki costs a fair bit to run and early on in our post Bookworm crash server move, it used more bandwidth than our bosses calculated, so the last thing we need is people going around directly linking images off of our server for forums or even their blogs or whatever (The [[Mountain Dew Robot]]s logo was one of our most popular articles... because some idiot linked the image to his website). Is there any way for us to prevent this? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:54, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and no.
:Yes in the sense that it's pretty easy to create an .htaccess file that redirects hotlinks in some way.
:No in the sense that it might break the GoBoxes, if there isn't some way to make it so that the rewrite rules allow just the GoBox images to be hotlinked. Hrm. Although I think the GoBoxes are all PNGs, and we have very few PNGs as normal images, so it might not be ''that'' big a workaround problem. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:40, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
::Well, all the gobox images are in their own folder anyway, so it's simple enough to exclude them. This is probably a REALLY good idea; somebody give me a suitable (and tiny) replacement image and I'll try to make it so. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 08:45, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Depends on what you had in mind. You could either go the route of just making a one pixel GIF (i.e. smallest image possible), or maybe use our logo with "no hotlinking permitted" written on it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:01, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Goatse. Or the nearest TF equivalent of "ridiculous shock image." [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 10:00, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Anything from Kiss Players, then. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:09, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::...can we still let me inline images on my blog? Can we make exceptions? Because sometimes I do that, because it's technically me paying for the bandwidth anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:17, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Whitelisting domains is easy. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:36, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::::I'm not extremely savvy with that kind of stuff (most of my knowledge coming from archived talkpages on this wiki), so I have no idea whether it's possible.
:::::::What ''is'' a goatse, anyway? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:24, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::You don't want to know if you don't already. Trust me. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:36, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Sorry I asked.
:::::::::*remembers the vandal that came in and messed with some talk pages* --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:39, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::''"Or the nearest TF equivalent"'' - Something like [[:Image:Tftm1986e.jpg|this]], you mean? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 10:50, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Something more like [[:Image:LegionRape1.jpg|this]] would be "the nearest TF equivalent", surely. [Or, potentially even more disturbing, [[:Image:AtariScream.jpg|this]].] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:07, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Even Kiss Players is only about a 3 on the shock meter compared to Goatse. An image of Pat Lee might be appropriate... I suggest sticking to something small anyway, otherwise the bandwidth problem is still there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:41, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::How about [[:Image:Siestacron.gif|this]] with something like "You have found The Void." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:52, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I vote for Pat Lee. That's awesome. BANDWIDTH SUPERSTAR! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 18:06, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
Well, the GoBoxes are fairly bandwidth-light, right? What if we did a variation on them, with the leeched image replaced with a notice that the image was leeched, and encouraging them to go to TFWiki.net to learn about Transformers?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:57, 11 October 2009 (EDT)
:I stand by my Kiss Players suggestion. That or the image of dead Prime from TFTM with a tagline at the bottom saying "This image is dead due to hotlinking." --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 01:37, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::Rosicrucian has the right idea. We make it work for us, rather than just 'punish' the people doing it. We don't try to shock or dismay, just state that hotlinking is bad (m'kay?) and that tfwiki.net is the place to learn about Transformers. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

== GoBots on this wiki ==

This idea is getting some traction over on the Tonka GoBots page, so I thought I'd replicate the discussion here. It's certainly a big enough change that it should get broad exposure. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

A note should be said in the [GoBots] [[Tonka GoBots|article]] about canon. What is canon? I'm guessing it is like G.I. Joe: the whole universe is canon, but only the bits that appear in Transformers fiction is {{SITENAME}}-noteworthy. Or is it like crossovers such as Star Wars: only the bits that appear in Transformers fiction are canon. Or (I don't think so) does Hasbro's purchase of them retroactively drag everything in, cartoon and all, as a "continuity family"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that the GoBots should be covered here IN FULL.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
::It is indeed like G.I. Joe or Death's Head, where the only stories that count for the purposes of our wiki are the ones that include Transformers.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure I agree. The Gobots cartoon has effectively been subsumed, in whole, into the Transformers mythos. This is a fundamentally different case than Death's Head, who left the Transformers multiverse explicitly, or G.I. Joe, which has implicitly diverged. Due to the legalities surrounding GoBots, the only licensed future stories set in the Gobots multiverse will be Transformers stories. We could certainly choose to catalog the 65 episodes and one movie of Gobots as effectively another Transformers continuity family, which it basically is. I'm not sure what the downside would be to that, other than it'll take a while for it to be up to the wiki's usual standards. I'd be happy enough to go through and start with character pages and episode guides though. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:10, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I, uh, I'm not sure that really fits the TF Wiki's "mission statement." I mean, this is a Transformers wiki. We shouldn't start making ourselves cover entire other properties just because there was a crossover. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::As much as I'd fap to the idea of having full-blown GoBots coverage on this wiki, I'd just like to get straight how ''deep'' we'd go with the coverage. Would we cover just the cartoon? Would we also cover the Robo Machine comics published in the UK? Would we do articles for each character along with complete toy write ups? Just curious. I wouldn't mind slogging through the cartoons myself, or maybe even calling dibs on the Rock Lords movie, but I'd just like to know exactly ''how much'' GoBots we'd be willing to cover.
::::And just to throw it out there for reference, [http://counter-x.net/gobots/ Counter-X] is probably our best source for GoBots research on the entire interwebs. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:31, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Also, would we be able to cover the toys, or just the fiction? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:47, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::I think that we'd only cover the part of GoBots that are canon for Transformers. That'd be the cartoon, basically. IMO, the toys (as something owned by Bandai) are outside of that purview. Things like Machine-Robo and associated fiction have not been brought into the Transformers canon and pretty much cannot be officially, legally, brought in. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Machine-Robo etc would probably fall under the same classification as Diaclone and Microchange, ie general mention but little detail. I am confused by your statement that "the toys (as something owned by Bandai) are outside of that purview." Taking that statement at face value the original Jetfire, Roadbuster and Whirl toys shouldn't be here either. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Not at all. Those toys were all released as Transformers. Other Takatoku and Bandai toys wouldn't be fair game, and aren't. The reason that the GoBots CARTOON can be on this wiki is that it was effectively bought by Hasbro when they acquired Tonka, and then integrated into the Transformers universe by licensed stories like Withered Hope. There has been no comparable action regarding GoBot toys. They were licensed to Tonka by Bandai. That license has long since expired. Hasbro has no claim on those toys, and there has never been any attempt to integrate the toys into the Transformers multiverse. At least, that's the way I see it. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:32, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Okay, now I understand your point. For the other side, it seems to me that the toys are the source for the cartoon; if one is fair game for this wiki so is the other. Since this site is not part of Hasbro, the licensing is irrelevant. That is, while Hasbro can't use the toys; we (as archivists) are free to use them. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:19, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
If we can do it up to our usual standards, I'm for it. I just think it's a ''metric assload'' of material to be adding.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:00, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:Hey, we've all got ''plenty'' of time. What's one more metric assload? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:06, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::I welcome the challenge. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I could definitely help out. (Dibs on swooping in and taking care of any spelling or punctuation mistakes.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm a little indecisive - the entire point of Withered Hope, etc. was that the GoBots exist OUTSIDE of the TF universe. While a given number of GoBots have since moved in, until further notice, it's unclear how many GoBots actually have integrated into the larger TF milieu. Now, if someone from Hasbro said, even in passing, that the GoBots stories are now considered part of the TF multiverse, I'd be all for it. Maybe it's something to think about for BC or the next Q&A. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 12:45, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::A while back there was a discussion where it was said that nothing that was once canon can be ''removed'' from canon later on, even by Hasbro. Is the reverse also true, can a block of fiction be retroactively ''added'' to canon that wasn't canon at the time? I'm thinking not really. I'm thinking only the glimpses of the GoBots universe in TF fiction belong. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:14, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::They're not really reciprocal arguments. Imagine this scenario: Hasbro kills off G2 and is soured on Transformers. They let their new acquisition, Kenner, start their own brand of Transforming robots, called Beast Wars, and they don't use the Transformers name in conjunction with it at all. No mention of Cybertron. No character named Megatron - call him T-Wrecks. It'd effectively be a completely different toyline and cartoon, not 'canon' for Transformers. The whole first season happens, more or less as we saw but without Starscream or the few mentions of past continuity. It's a big hit, so Hasbro decides to add the Transformers logo to the Beast Wars packaging. Then the second season starts up, and lo and behold, they make a big plot point out of The Ark, and the Predacons being descended from Decepticons. They would have changed the status of the S1 stories from non-canon to canon for Transformers.
::::::Now imagine that it wasn't until Beast Machines that this transition happened. Different logo, different writers, but a continuity of characters and ideas. It'd STILL retroactively pull all of the Beast Wars into Transformers canon. So, sure, stories can be retroactively made canon. Hell, what about this scenario - [[Alignment]] is republished by IDW, under the Transformers banner. Boom - non-canon becomes canon, just like that.
::::::It's possible, is all I'm saying. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's totally feasible, I'm just not sure it's actually HAPPENED with the GoBots material yet. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 13:41, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah, my thought too. I don't really have a problem per se with the idea, it's just that I don't think GoBots ''is'' officially Transformers canon as a whole; just some individual characters that have shown up. Kind of like how various Marvel characters have been shown to be a part of canon, but we don't go and then write up the entire universe they hail from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::But... but... when I was a kid GoBots were decidedly ''not'' Transformers. Back in the '80's that was kind of a big deal. Not a logical argument, I know. If Alignment were published as a Transformers story, sure it would be canon. If the GoBots cartoon were published as a Transformers story it would be canon. The Beast Wars example is interesting. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:49, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

Yeah. Honestly, I don't know about this... at least, not ''now''. There's still a lot of TF stuff that needs deeper exploration and suchlike, including Club materials. I'd think a focus on those things before we delve deep into GoBots' non-TF-direct stuff would be in order. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:I share this thought. I think if people have enough time to be writing up a bunch of GoBot stuff, surely it's better spent (for now, at least) on writing up the TF stuff we already know we need? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::There is no need to have articles here for Defendor, Destroyer, Tank, Fytor, Hans-Cuff, Jeeper Creeper, Wrexx, Pincer, Pumper, Vamp, Creepy, and probably 99.1% of all other GoBot characters and story events. We have the e-Hobby team, Withered Hope, the various Crashers and Cy-Kills and a few other circa-Dreamwave easter eggs, because they actually ''existed'' in some form in the TF multiverse. Trying to add in every other character that never did anything and doesn't matter just because we can would be about as fruitful and necessary as adding in every other G.I.Joe character ever that also never appeared here. That Eskimo Quinn dude could always use another write-up, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:51, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Im free, I'll do the GoBots. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 21:14, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

Optimus Prime (Animated)

2009-09-21T22:47:47Z

206.253.51.107: /* Animated */

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:''Optimus Prime is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:OptimusPrimeAnimated.JPG|right|thumb|300px|"Freedom... [[Megatron (BW)|Yeesss]]..."]]

A washout from the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]], '''Optimus Prime''' was reassigned to [[space bridge]] repair duty under the supervision of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]. He is a relatively naive and idealistic young leader, prone to long-winded "inspirational" speeches who leads a small and inexperienced Autobot [[space bridge]] maintenance team. Recently, his crew has landed on [[Earth]], adopted jobs as semi-official superheroes and currently live in an abandoned Sumdac Systems warehouse.

Despite his humble "Bot Next Door" persona, he performs his job with a dedicated seriousness. He transforms into a red truck cab that can be fitted with many kinds of "[[trailer]]" attachments (most notably one that makes him look like a fire engine) and wields a kick-ass, rocket-propelled, extendable battle axe, as well as multiple arm mounted modifications, including grappler cables, fire extinguishers and bola-whip throwers. Despite his formidable abilities and skills, not everyone thought so highly of the young Prime. [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] sneers at Optimus's lowly repair job, and [[Supreme Commander]] [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] once held the young officer in low regard. More than anything, Prime wanted to be a hero. He's had the speeches, he had the moves...but what was he missing? Maybe [[Stan Bush|The Touch]]?

But since coming to Earth, Optimus has learned the truth about heroism. It's not about glory and destiny, it's about doing the right thing and going to your limit and beyond. Ratchet, for all his cynicism, knows that Prime is a hero, and after seeing him in action, Ultra Magnus himself admitted that Optimus has excellent leadership skills.

{{Quote|So, this is what it feels like to be a hero...|Optimus upon his death|"[[Transform and Roll Out]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[David Kaye]] (English), [[Bernd Vollbrecht]] (German), [[Krzysztof Korzeniowski]] (Polish)

''During his training days at the [[Autobot Academy]], Optimus impressed Ultra Magnus with his performance in a computer simulated battle against [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. Although Optimus "died" in the battle, causing his boisterous pal Sentinel to make a crack at his expense, Magnus pointed out that Optimus had just scored higher on the test than anyone in Academy history, and let Optimus know he had great hopes for him.'' {{storylink|The Arrival issue 5#Survival Skills|Survival Skills}}

[[Image:Alongcameaspiderthreefriends.jpg|left|250px|thumb|"Whoa-oh! Surprise hug from Mr. Freaky-Big!"]]

A thousand stellar cycles ago, Optimus and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]] accompanied Sentinel on an unpermitted mission to [[Archa Seven|a forbidden organic planet]] in search of a lost [[Decepticon]] ship rumored to be carrying a huge payload of [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] [[energon cube|cubes]]. The mission was declared a wash when the trio discovered that the planet was infested with giant spiders, but the trio found that their retreat was not an easy one. Separated from Sentinel in the chaos of a spider attack, Optimus and Elita found the Decepticon ship and its coveted energon cubes, only to be surrounded by another swarm of spiders. Optimus had Elita download his grappler abilities so that they could bring a giant stalactite down on the creatures, causing the energon cubes to explode in the process. As they attempt to swing their way to safety, however, Elita's download timed out and she plummeted back down into the heart of the conflagration, just as Sentinel arrived to bear witness. Knowing that to go after her would mean death, Optimus held Sentinel back from pursuing Elita and forcibly dragged him back to the surface just before they were caught in the explosion. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

Sentinel never forgave Optimus for making him leave Elita behind, and bore a grudge against him for the next thousand years, constantly belittling him and sniping at him. When the failed mission came to the attention of Ultra Magnus, the two were brought to a military tribunal. Sentinel gladly placed the blame for Elita-1's death at Optimus' feet, and gallantly, Optimus took the fall for leading the mission. He was discharged from the Academy, never to join the Elite Guard. Luckily for Optimus, Magnus thought that maybe the bot he once had such high hopes for still had some potential, and gave him the rank of "Prime" and his own ship...a rusted out junker filled with the incompetent young bots [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], plus a crotchety old medic, [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]].

During one of their routine [[Space Bridge]] terminal repair missions, Optimus Prime's crew stumbled upon a bot named [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] who was trying to complete his [[Cyber-Ninja]] training. Unfortunately, an [[energon cube]] explosion destroyed his ship, so Optimus offered Prowl a place on his crew. The would-be cyber-ninja expressed frustration at the constant curveballs life had thrown at him thus far, and Optimus noted that he could easily relate to that sentiment.
{{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

[[Image:Ani crew.JPG|left|thumb|300px|Call me Captainimus Prime!]]

Fifty years ago, Prime and his crew came across the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] while repairing a space bridge and brought the artifact aboard their ship. During transport, they were discovered by the [[Decepticon]]s, and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] came after them. He proved too strong to take head on (in spite of [[Starscream (Animated)|his subordinate]] planting a bomb on his chassis), but when [[Teletran-1]] neared [[Earth]], Prime knocked Megatron overboard. The Autobots stayed in stasis for the next 50 years until they were accidentally awakened by an apparent intruder. Optimus and the Autobots took on Earth vehicles as alternate modes in an attempt to assimilate with what they believed to be the local dominant culture. Prime and his team were able to dispatch a bio-mechanical insectoid that was attacking Detroit. They were hailed as heroes for it.

[[Image:Sariprime.jpg|right|120px|thumb|Insert what where?!]]

Over the next several weeks, the Autobots got to learn human culture and customs, doing their best to prevent disasters and save lives. Eventually, Starscream came for the AllSpark, and Optimus found that the schemer could pack quite a punch. The Autobot officer was still able to keep Starscream from getting the artifact, though at the cost of his life. However, he was quickly revived by [[Sari Sumdac]] and her AllSpark-influenced [[AllSpark Key|key]]. Later, the Autobots helped rebuild parts of Detroit that were destroyed in their battle with Starscream. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

Unfortunately for Optimus, he had gained a reputation outside of Earth's atmosphere—not as a hero, but as the slayer of Megatron. The Decepticon [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] placed a large bounty on his head, and pretty soon, [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] came to collect. He captured Prime and stole his axe and grapplers. Fortunately, Ratchet saved him, finally getting the old bot to open up more. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

[[Image:TFA ep9 Optimus and Blackarachnia rooftop.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Optimus Prime is all left feet, but that's still not as many as Blackarachnia.]]

During the Autobots' first [[Halloween]] on Earth, the Decepticon [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] ambushed [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] and kidnapped Sari. When Optimus Prime tried to fight Blackarachnia, she dodged all his moves, as she had trained with him. Prime was shocked to learn that Blackarachnia was his old Autobot Academy classmate Elita-1, who hadn't died but been mutated while fighting off the giant arachnids those many years ago. Blackarachnia tried to use Sari's AllSpark key to remove the organic aspects from her biology, but the key began to drain the life from everything organic around and nearly killed Blackarachnia herself. Prime removed the key, saving Blackarachnia and the organics. Still calling her Elita, Prime tried to convince her to return to the Autobots so they could try and help her. She repaid that kindness by injecting him with venom and telling him that she would never trust him again. Prime was left to reflect on the friend he'd failed not once, but twice. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

When Decepticon energy signals were detected near the city, the Autobots quickly realized that their options were limited. Bulkhead mentioned that the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]] might help, forcing [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] to reveal how the two moved them to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Prime's reaction was...displeased, to say the least. Ranting that all he had to command were insubordinate malfunctions, Prime also concluded that the Key was no longer safe with Sari, and he ordered Ratchet to take it from her. As Sari ran off crying, Bumblebee mouthed off that their situation was an indication that Prime was unfit for command.

[[Image:Megatron Rising Optimus rant.JPG|right|170px|thumb|[[wikipedia:Red_Forman|Dumbasses]]!]]

Heading to Dinobot Island, Prime did not get off to a good start with [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]], mostly because Grimlock considered him lunch. After Prowl smoothed things over, Prime tried to convince them to help the Autobots fight the Decepticons, but Grimlock was uninterested. Receiving word from Ratchet that the Key had been stolen, Prime ordered Ratchet to guard the AllSpark while the Autobots headed back for the mainland. Prime himself also began to wonder if he was fit for command, seeing as all his decisions had blown up in his face. When Bumblebee contacted the Autobots to inform them that Starscream was at [[Sumdac Tower]], he refused Prime's order to hold back and went to attack the Decepticon on his own. Prime dryly noted that the day just kept getting better and better.

Then everything pretty much went to Hell when Megatron burst out of Sumdac Tower, to the shock and horror of just about everyone. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

Quickly regaining their composure, the Autobots attacked. Megatron beat the [[Slag (slang)|slag]] out of them. Though Optimus fared slightly better, Megatron still brought him down fairly quickly. They were only able to escape when Megatron punished Starscream for his betrayal. Taking refuge within Sumdac Tower, [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] explained his role in Megatron's revival and helped repair the Autobots with residual key energy. After Bumblebee called Prime to answer for his earlier assessment of them, Prime admitted he was wrong and asked them for forgiveness. When Ratchet and Sari showed up with Teletran-1, the Autobots took flight, hoping to lure the Decepticons away from Earth to prevent human casualties. Unfortunately, the Decepticons shot down the vessel and caused it to crash on Dinobot Island.

[[Image:Megatron Rising Optimus Megatron Key shove.JPG|left|200px|thumb|"Now, light our darkest hour!"]]

As the Autobots took on the Decepticons, Optimus faced down Megatron, which went as well as the first time. When Megatron got into the Autobots' ship, he took the AllSpark and placed the powerful artifact within him, using it as a weapon against Prime. However, Megatron had dropped the key, and Sari threw it to Prime. The Autobot officer used the key to send a surge of energy through the AllSpark, causing it to disperse while still in Megatron. With the threat passed, Prime apologized to Sari and returned the key, saying it was too important to be trusted with an Autobot. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

After the battle with the Decepticons, the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] arrived to take the AllSpark back to Cybertron. Optimus explained that the AllSpark had been dispersed and that the Decepticons had been defeated. Sentinel Prime accused Optimus of lying and took every chance he could to belittle his former friend, but [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] decided to investigate their claims. Optimus took them to Dinobot Island, but the Autobots did not make a good impression on the Dinobots. Before they could investigate, they received a message from Ratchet, saying that [[police drone]]s had gone haywire at a Sumdac Systems manufacturing plant. Optimus managed to get Sari inside and shut off the assembly line, but the key was stuck in the console. Before Optimus could help, Sentinel pushed him aside and promised to see Optimus charged for high treason. Tired of Sentinel's slag, Optimus finally stuck up for himself and told Sentinel where to shove it, destroying the console the key was stuck in and revealing an AllSpark fragment. Ultra Magnus accepted the shard as proof of Optimus Prime's claims. Though Sentinel still refused to believe him, Magnus said that Optimus Prime displayed many qualities that Sentinel himself could use. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

[[Image:Returnofheadmaster optimuslaughs.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Ha ''Ha!'' [[Decapitation]].]]

When Sentinel and Optimus were at a press conference with [[Augustus Edsel|Mayor Edsel]], they received a call about a Decepticon sighting in old Detroit. After Sentinel mangled the roads en route, he told Optimus to split up and search on his own. Hours later, Optimus received a communication to from Sentinel to dismiss the police and come to Sentinel's location alone—and not to laugh when he got there. What Optimus found was Sentinel Prime's severed head, with his [[Structure|body]] having been stolen by the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]]. He promised to help Sentinel find his body without letting Ultra Magnus or the other Autobots know, but not before taking a moment or two to enjoy the situation.

Heading for Sumdac Tower, Optimus confronted [[Porter C. Powell]], who denied knowing where Masterson was and told him the Autobots were no longer welcome at the facility. Optimus left, but immediately tapped in on Powell and Masterson's phone conversation, letting Optimus track Masterson to the docks. After encountering mini-Headmasters in the form of [[Tutor Bot]] and [[Sparkplug (robot dog)|Sparkplug]], Optimus was able to get aboard the ship before it sailed away. Finding the Headmaster with Sentinel Prime's body, Optimus Prime proceeded to beat the living slag out of his attacker, much to Sentinel's discomfort. Finally defeating the mad scientist, Optimus reattached Sentinel's head to his body, but Masterson walked away due to legal technicalities. When Ultra Magnus asked them about it the next day, Optimus covered for Sentinel, saying that Sentinel had volunteered to use himself as bait to capture Masterson, and Magnus praised their bravery. In an awkward moment, Sentinel thanked Optimus for all he'd done, and the two shook hands amicably. {{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}}

[[Image:Sentinel vs Optimus%2C with Jazz in the middle.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Jay Leno VS. Bruce Campbell, Battle of [[chin]]s.]]

When word of Decepticon attacks came after learning that Megatron was still alive, Ultra Magnus decided that Optimus and his Autobots would be needed elsewhere repairing damaged space bridges. The Elite Guard also wanted Optimus to...leave out that whole destruction of the AllSpark and Megatron's survival thing for the time being. When they detected an AllSpark shard energy signature in a human train, the Elite Guard went to retrieve it. Detecting Starscream, Optimus realized it was a trap and was forced to place stasis cuffs on Sentinel Prime to leave the Elite Guard's ship. Meeting up with his crew, he helped them remove the shard and save the humans. Magnus and Sentinel, who by now had broken out of his cuffs, were about to rip Optimus a new one for insubordination, assault, and the lack of evidence over the Decepticons—at which point Starscream's body crashed mere meters away from them, having been offlined by Megatron (again). When Starscream knocked out Ultra Magnus, Optimus took command (much to Sentinel's displeasure). He managed to place the stasis-cuffs on Starscream, and Ultra Magnus decided that Optimus Prime and his team would be allowed to stay on Earth, locate the remaining AllSpark shards, and arrest the remaining Decepticons. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

Later on, when Bulkhead brought [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] back to Autobot headquarters, Optimus was not impressed with their antics and demanded that they leave. Optimus warned Bulkhead that the duo were not worth spending time with and that they were not capable of learning the ways of an Autobot. After the Constructicons were 'persuaded' by Megatron that their talents would be better utilized in the Decepticon ranks, Prime was furious and despite Bulkhead's insistence that they were his friends, Optimus questioned that they didn't know any better.

Unfortunately, he was proved right when Mixmaster and Scrapper showed up and demanded that they hand over the AllSpark fragments, to which Prime naturally refused. A struggle ensued (in which Ratchet and Bumblebee insisted Prime was 'their dipstick') and Mixmaster held Bumblebee hostage and demands the AllSpark. Prime tried to stall for time and Bulkhead handed over the fragments, to Prime's dismay. Bulkhead then 'had one for the road' and his scheme came to light. With the fragments retrieved, Optimus consoled a distraught Bulkhead and assured him that as long as the Constructicons (now having lost their memory due to the explosion caused by the tainted oil) were not wearing Decepticon badges, they still had a choice. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

[[Image:Animated Black Friday Prime Meltdown.jpg|right|175px|thumb|At the end of this day, one shall stand, one shall melt.]]

After learning that the Dinobots helped Meltdown escape, Prime took Prowl and Bumblebee to investigate Dinobot Island. There, he learned that Blackarachnia was manipulating the Dinobots, and had struck a deal with Meltdown to remove her organic half. However, Meltdown needed a genetic modifier. Blackarachnia, having poisoned Prowl and Bumblebee with her venom, told Prime to help Grimlock get the modifier in exchange for the antivenom that would save his Autobots. Though Prime tried to convince Grimlock of Blackarachnia's evil intentions, Grimlock would hear none of it. Returning to the mainland, Prime revoked his "protector of humanity" title long enough for Grimlock to "convince" [[Porter C. Powell]] to tell them where the modifier was. When Powell realized it was valuable, Prime was tempted to let Grimlock finish him off, but decided the Autobots didn't have time. Returning to Dinobot Island, Meltdown turned the tables on them, revealing that he planned to remove Blackarachnia's organic half, and sicced [[Fusion creature|his experiments]] on Prime and Grimlock. With the other Dinobots help, they sent the mutants packing. Prime then removed the modifier before Meltdown could finish his experiments, and exposure to the modifier caused Meltdown to break apart. Blackarachnia urged Optimus to come closer, but Grimlock's jealousy caused him to attack, allowing Blackarachnia to flee. When Prime went to Prowl and Bumblebee, he found the anti-venom, and saved their sparks. Although Powell tried to have Prime arrested, Fanzone refused to do anything about it. Because she left the anti-venom, however, Optimus Prime was hopeful that somewhere beneath the anger and betrayal of Blackarachnia, there was still something left of Elita-1. {{storylink|Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday}}

When Bulkhead was kidnapped by Megatron, Bumblebee brought home [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]], an Elite Guard intelligence agent who had been assigned to monitor the Decepticons and investigate Optimus Prime's crew (good odds on [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|the one]] who gave Blurr his orders). When Blurr revealed where the Decepticons were, and that they were building a space bridge with Isaac Sumdac's help, Prime ordered Ratchet and Sari to get the ship back online, while he and the others went to rescue Bulkhead and stop the Decepticons. Before he left, he admitted that he wasn't sure if Professor Sumdac was willingly cooperating with the Decepticons, but promised Sari that he would bring him home alive. Heading to the mines, they were ambushed by Blitzwing and Lugnut, who were incapacitated by Blurr. Reaching the control room, the Autobots were incapaciated by the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]]. Fortunately, the Decepticons were too busy with the sudden arrival of Starscream and [[Starscream clone|his clones]] to immediately kill them. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Managing to free himself, Optimus found himself in the odd position of fighting side by side with Megatron. But the battle went against the Autobots, with Blurr and a pair of clones sucked into the space bridge and the other Autobots incapacitated. In typical Decepticon fashion, Megatron used Prime as a human shield against the clones. After the battle, Megatron decided to use Prime as a test to see if the space bridge worked, where Prime would eliminated by [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] if it did. Fortunately, Prowl managed to get free from his stasis cuffs and shatter Optimus Prime's, allowing him to grapple Megatron. However, the power cut out, forcing Megatron to use the severed head of Starscream to further power the bridge, causing an overload. Prime managed to slap stasis cuffs on Megatron, taking him into the bridge, but the Autobots were nearly sucked in when [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] arrived and sacrificed himself to save them. As the bridge self-destructed, the Autobots managed to escape before the mountain came down on top of them. Though mourning the losses of Omega and Blurr, Megatron's plot was foiled, and the Autobots could breathe a collective sigh of relief.

Sighs of relief which turned to gasps of shock and horror when Sari noticed that the skin of her arm had been torn...revealing robotic circuitry underneath! {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

Leaving the mine, Optimus carried Sari and Isaac with him as the Professor explained what he knew of Sari's origins: years ago, Sumdac found a body of liquid metal, which he touched, and Sari emerged. Remembering all too well the horror story of human manufacturing, Optimus pointed out several flaws in Isaac's story. Optimus provided the necessary muscle to prevent Porter C. Powell and Henry Masterson from trying anything funny when Isaac returned to Sumdac Tower and fired the two, and was on hand to witness Sari activated some sort of weapons system to eject them. Horrified, Sari decided she was better off with her "fellow machines", and Optimus promised to keep her safe until she was ready to talk. Realizing that she wasn't going to talk, Optimus tricked Sari into going to [[Burger Bot]], alerting Sumdac that they were heading there. Unfortunately, the Headmaster had found his Headmaster unit and Starscream's body, and attacked the trio. After a short battle, Optimus tricked Masterson into transforming, saying that a "n00b" like him couldn't do it. The attack managed to reconcile Isaac and Sari, and Optimus took them home, where Prowl revealed his theory that Sari was a protoform merged with Sumdac's DNA.

Later, Ratchet turned up with an unconscious Bulkhead and claims of a missing Bumblebee. Bulkhead theorized that Bumblebee had activated the [[plasmadynamic thruster]], sending him across the universe, and used a [[recall beacon generator]] to bring him home. Unfortunately, Bumblebee was swallowed by a [[rock creature|rock-like alien]]. As the Autobots tried to figure out how to stop the creature without harming Bumblebee, Sari used the Key to upgrade herself into a more powerful mech. She defeated the monster, but overloaded and was unable to control her movements, seriously injuring Bumblebee. The Autobots were able to remove the Key, only to discover Sari kept going and the Key had been drained. Ratchet was forced to deactivate Sari with his EMP generator.

Returning to the plant, Optimus informed Isaac of Sari's condition, deciding that this family was done keeping secrets from each other. Unfortunately, Megatron arrived, commanding Omega Supreme. Optimus and the others led Megatron out of the city, where he and Prowl boarded Omega, removing Megatron's influence. Unfortunately, Starscream took over Omega Supreme, and decided to conquer Cybertron. Optimus latched aboard the departing vessel, and shoved the plasmadynamic thruster into Omega, sending him warping across the galaxy randomly, ending the threats of Megatron and Starscream for a while. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

After reprimanding Bumblebee for playing video games while on monitor duty, Optimus led the Autobots out on a search mission when they detected a Cybertronian energy signature. While Optimus was away, he received an emergency call from Bumblebee, revealing that Wasp was at the plant. By the time the Autobots returned, Wasp had switched places with Bumblebee. Unable to convince his teammates of the ruse, Bumblebee fled, and just as Optimus and his remaining Autobots gave chase, Sentinel Prime and Jazz cut them off. Sentinel was unwilling to listen to Optimus's claims that Wasp was innocent and Longarm Prime was the real traitor, and he took off for Wasp. Optimus had their group split up to try and find Wasp first, ordering Ratchet to come with him while Bulkhead and Prowl went to check another section of the city. While searching, Optimus and Ratchet discovered two Cybertronian fliers and assumed they were Decepticons. Only after fighting with the pair did they learn that [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] and [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] were Elite Guard members who had been upgraded with flight protocols duplicated from Starscream.

As Optimus, Ratchet, and Jazz watched Sentinel flail about on the wet roads, still ignoring pleas to warn Cybertron about Longarm, Optimus asked how Jazz was able to stand the obnoxious Prime, and was surprised to learn that the Elite Guard ninja ignored "only half" of what Sentinel said. When the jet twins reported to Sentinel that Bulkhead and Prowl were working with Wasp, Sentinel ordered all of Optimus's crew arrested, despite Optimus putting it as simply as possible: Wasp wasn't a double agent, so Bulkhead and Prowl couldn't be his fellow double agents. Once they reached the others, Optimus had to deal with Sentinel's insistence on arresting them all to let Ultra Magnus sort them out, despite Prowl and Bulkhead now believing that Wasp and Bumblebee had switched places. Overruling Sentinel's demands, Optimus had everyone return to the plant, as that's where Wasp had to be if 'Bee's story was true. By the time they returned, Wasp had read up on Bumblebee's files and so was able to relate a number of 'Bee's adventures to prove he was the real deal. When Bulkhead had Bumblebee and Wasp play ''[[Ninja Gladiator]]'' to see who the real one was, Prime had no better suggestion. Wasp choked and escaped, and Jazz finally realized that Optimus had been telling the truth about Longarm being a double agent. An oblivious Sentinel asked why they hadn't told him this in the first place, and Optimus sighed in exasperation. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

With the Elite Guard remaining on Earth, the Autobots began a search for the rest of Megatron's Decepticons. During one search, Optimus saw an unfamiliar shadow with a strange helmet. Following it, Optimus, Prowl, and Jazz discovered Sentinel Prime had captured [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] without making a sound. Despite his notorious ego, Sentinel refused to elaborate on the capture, and even bolted the clone's mouth shut when he started to talk. Returning to the Elite Guard ship, Optimus discovered that Sentinel had also captured Blitzwing and Swindle, as well, and was equally vague on the details. After helping Prowl investigate the mysterious helmeted figure, Optimus returned to the ship where he, Jazz, and Prowl were shocked to discover that Sentinel had captured Lugnut. Now convinced that Sentinel was lying to them, Optimus and the others eventually followed him to [[Tigatron Stadium]], where they discovered a stasis-cuffed Sentinel, the [[Ramjet (Animated)|Liar Starscream]], Lockdown (wearing the mysterious helmet), and that Sentinel had been having Lockdown capture the Decepticons in exchange for parts of the Elite Guard ship. After a battle, the clone was captured, but Lockdown escaped. Returning to the Elite Guard ship, the Autobots made contact with Cybertron, learning that Shockwave had attacked Ultra Magnus and stolen the [[Magnus Hammer]] in the process. Optimus decided not to inform Cybertron Command of Sentinel's misconduct, but instead gave Prowl all the credit for the captures. Sentinel expressed annoyance that he didn't get any credit for the captures, and Optimus told his former friend that when the smoke cleared, there would be a reckoning between the two Primes. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

[[Image:PredaconsRising-BASentinelOptimus.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Hail hail, the gang's all here!]]

However, Sentinel remained on Earth, convinced that Wasp knew something about the attack on Ultra Magnus. Efforts to locate Wasp were hampered by Sentinel's refusal to recognize Optimus's authority on Earth, claiming he was the ''primer'' Prime. However, things came to a head when the Dinobot Swoop captured Wasp and took him to Dinobot Island. Realizing that Blackarachnia might be involved, Optimus tried to warn Sentinel about her, but he refused to listen, as usual. Reaching the island, Optimus found Blackarachnia draining Sentinel of his powers, and offered himself in Sentinel's place. Blackarachnia didn't care; as far as she was concerned, she had every right to slag them both for abandoning her. She also revealed that she had made Wasp into the technorganic Waspinator in the hopes that if she could change him back, she could change back into Elita-1. However, Waspinator heard this, and tried to attack Blackarachnia. Reaching critical mass, Blackarachnia wrapped herself and Waspinator into a cocoon to contain the transwarp explosion. The Autobots were barely able to avoid the blast radius, which appeared to destroy most of Dinobot Island. Optimus concluded that Blackarachnia sacrificed herself to save them, but Sentinel thought that she sacrificed Waspinator to escape. Although Sentinel did not press the issue, Optimus could see that he was deeply hurt by what he had experienced.

A short time later, the Elite Guard were preparing to leave, and Optimus Prime's crew were seeing them off. Optimus actually defended Sentinel when the twins poked fun at him, saying that for all his flaws, Sentinel was a good bot at spark. Sentinel later came out to talk to Optimus privately, and Optimus apologized, both for not telling Sentinel about Elita's survival, and for not letting Sentinel go back to try and rescue her. In turn, Sentinel apologized for coming up with the idea to go to the planet, but admitted that the time was past for apologies. Optimus ended the conversation on a lighter note, saying that Cybertron needed a leader, and for better or worse, Sentinel Prime was that leader. Sentinel agreed, and the two Primes finally appeared to bury the hatchet. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

Optimus Prime's mood soon soured as the [[Christmas]] season rolled in, and the latest must-have product from Porter C. Powell was advertised all over the city—the all-singing, all-dancing [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]! After following a lone Soundwave and almost getting decapitated by a train, he decided he was obsessing over nothing and rejoined the other Autobots for some [[oilnog]]... not realizing it had been spiked by another Soundwave, forcing Optimus and the others into taking an early [[Stasis lock|stasis nap]].

[[Image:TFAni Human Error Part 1 Optimus Human.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Worst. Hangover. ''Ever!'']]

As Optimus woke up the next morning, he discovered, to his horror, that he and the others had inexplicably become human. Despite his hopes, Ratchet could find no rational explanation for their transformation. Deciding the best course of action was to head to Sumdac Tower, the Auto''men'' set off into the city. A quick stop at the Burger Bot turned to them fleeing from an attacking Decepticon armada, followed by Optimus and Prowl saving a woman and [[Gary|her son]] from a burning building, to (badly) fighting off an attacking Starscream and finally—perhaps worst of all—having to take public transportation to Sumdac Tower. However, no sooner had they arrived at their destination then they witnessed the tower blasted to ruins... by a Megatron-controlled Cybertron!

But just as the Autobots seemed on the brink of destruction, Optimus came to a realization—none of what they had experienced was real, but a virtual reality simulation! They took out the Decepticons together with superhuman feats, Optimus destroying Megatron himself with a well aimed axe into his cannon. As the dust settled and the Decepticons disappeared, they "imagined" themselves into their real forms once again. But as soon as they had made the transformation, a giant Soundwave scooped them up into the sky, blasting them all with energy.

In the real world, Optimus and his crew were all prisoners of the real Soundwave in the basement of the Autobot hideout, as part of the sonic warrior's plan to reprogram them into being Decepticons. As their captor started to accelerate the reprogramming, Optimus opened his eyes to reveal them glowing red... {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}

[[Image:PrimeReadyToRock.jpg|thumb|left|200px| "I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!"]]

A wire from an attack Sari had made on Soundwave disrupted the connection, but after a failed escape attempt by Prowl, Soundwave reverted all the Autobots to their human forms and used his toy replica drones scattered around Detroit to begin hypnotising the human population.

Looking for a way to interface with Soundwave to escape and locating it in the form of his vehicle mode, Optimus gave the order to pursue the Decepticon utilizing the conveniently placed vehicles on which their own alternate modes were based. Unfortunately, Optimus didn't know how to drive extremely well. He still was able to pursue Soundwave, albeit with the fire hose out of control.

When Optimus and his group finally cornered Soundwave, it was revealed to be a trap: Hundreds of Soundwave's vehicle modes surrounded the Automen, and when the Autobots attempted to escape, their vehicles' seat belts wrapped around them as Soundwave began to reprogram them again.

Controlling the reprogrammed Autobots like puppets, Soundwave used them in a battle with Sari and the [[Substitute Autobot]]s, whom at first they soundly defeated. When Sari ordered the Substitute Autobots to attack all the Autobots at once, however, Soundwave began having trouble multitasking, until he decided to use just Optimus against them. Optimus soundly defeated the Substitute Autobots again and was about to kill Sari when the freed Prowl used his shuriken to blast Ratbat out of Soundwave's hands, liberating the rest of the Autobots. Optimus then grabbed Laserbeak, forced him into guitar mode, and engaged in a brief (''epic'') Battle of the Bands scenario before using Laserbeak to slice Soundwave and Ratbat in half, destroying the Decepticon's control over the citizens of Detroit. He and Sari then exchanged mutual new appreciation of each other's daily difficulties, Sari better understanding the stresses of command, Optimus now realizing the rigors of being human. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

[[Image:TFAni Decepticon Air Swindle Optimus Hand.jpg|thumb||180px|right|"GIVE ME YOUR FACE!"]]
Optimus later congratulated Professor Sumdac and Bulkhead for completing a space bridge terminal in record time, and he was amazed when Sari single-handedly and expertly recalibrated the transwarp sequencers. However, he soon received a message from Sentinel Prime, who had accidentally freed several Decepticon prisoners on the Elite Guard ship, which decrypted to "Broken Lance", the coded distress call Sentinel used to use in their Academy days. Using the space bridge terminal to get to the ship, Optimus promptly emerged from Swindle's chest, having arrived in the pocket dimension which Swindle used to hold all his stock. Taking an elevator to the ship's energon storage chamber, Optimus slightly destabilized some energon cubes by perforating them with his axe, then put them in the elevator car and sliced the cables, so it exploded near the bottom just as the Decepticons pried open the doors. Slightly charred from the backblast, Optimus entered one of the service ducts and worked his way back to the brig area, grumbling as he did so.

Soon after, Prime freed his fellow Autobots and told Jazz to rewire the decontamination unit on the bridge as a freezing chamber to trap the Decepticons. At the same time, taking a cue from Sentinel's coded transmission, he made his Autobot symbol blink in [[Cybertronian optical code|Cybertronian Optical Code]] to tell Jazz that the decontamination chamber would be the only part of the bridge ''not'' to get frozen. After convincing the Elite Guard to surrender to the Decepticons (but not before using Sentinel as a slingshot against Lugnut), he endured Blitzwing locking them in the decontamination chamber and gloating all the while—until Blitzwing pressed the button and all the Decepticons on the bridge were frozen. Sentinel offered Optimus the Elite Guard spot that would be left when Sentinel became Magnus, but Prime declined, saying that he still had plenty to do on Earth. Optimus then returned to Earth on the Elite Guard's ship, and he and Sentinel traded salutes before they went their separate ways.
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[[Image:EndGamePart1-Autobotscantfly.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Optimus cannot fly!! What is [[To sell toys|happening?]]]]
When Bulkhead detected Omega Supreme on the Moon, Ratchet tried to convince Optimus to use the [[Magnus Hammer]] against Megatron to rescue Omega and Arcee. Optimus felt unworthy due to his discharge from the [[Autobot Academy]] and ban from the Elite Guard, and instead requested that Ratchet build him a modification to [[#Wingblade|let him fly]]. As part of a counter to Ratchet's protest that "Autobots don't fly", Prowl volunteered his boosters to use as a basis for Optimus's mods. When Ratchet ran into trouble on the jetpack, Sari used her Allspark powers to find the problem, and Ratchet soon had an attachable winged jetpack for Optimus to test out. Optimus loved the new ability to fly, shouting "Yessssss!" as he slipped the surly bonds of Earth, but he was shot down by [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]. With a jetpack that didn't even give him an advantage over a Starscream clone, and with Megatron's [[Lugnut Supreme]]s fast approaching, Optimus decided he no longer had a choice and picked up the Magnus Hammer, ready to stand up in this [[darkest hour]]. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

Though hesitant about taking to the air given his previous performance, Optimus took to the skies with Prowl to drive the Lugnut Supremes away from Sumdac Tower while Ratchet, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Sari went to the Moon to sever Megatron's access to Omega Supreme. After a little trouble, Optimus was able to use the Magnus Hammer to cause a tornado that threw the clones to Dinobot Island, damaging one and rendering the other two unable to fly. However, they were still online and resumed their march to Sumdac Tower. Optimus instructed Prowl and Jazz to enter the clones and remove their AllSpark fragments while he himself fought Megatron. Unfortunately, when Omega was severed from the clones, it activated their hidden function as ''Starscream'' clones, complete with bombs capable of destroying everything within one hundred square miles. Omega returned in time to destroy one clone, and Prowl and Jazz used processor-over-matter to assemble stray AllSpark fragments and power a shield strong enough to contain the remaining clone. Meanwhile, Optimus and Megatron continued to duke it out, eventually being encased in the shield with the third clone. As the final clone's bomb began to detonate, a flash of light removed Optimus from the blast. He was found minutes later by the Autobots, and they were triumphant until they saw the price of victory: Prowl had merged his spark with the AllSpark fragments to save them all. As Optimus ran toward his fallen comrade, Megatron appeared and blasted the Autobot captain. Ratchet tossed the Magnus Hammer to Optimus, who beat the Decepticon leader down. Megatron goaded Optimus to finish it, but Optimus instead destroyed Megatron's fusion cannon, saying that killing him would be too easy. Instead, Optimus Prime and his crew, along with Sari and Omega Supreme, returned to Cybertron with Megatron, Shockwave, and Lugnut as prisoners, before cheering crowds (and a not-so-cheery Sentinel Prime) who hailed them as heroes. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===Toy bios===
Optimus Prime prefers to fight fairly and in the open. At the same time, he knows bad guys ''don't'', so he utilizes his "night mode" to sneak up on them without being seen. Good lesson, there. {{storylink|#BumperBattlerNightwatch|Nightwatch Optimus Prime}}

===Titan Magazines===
[[Image:SPROK%21.JPG|left|200px|thumb|No Country for Old Toys.]]
Optimus was swiftly overpowered by Starscream and his [[Starscream clone|army of clones]], as were all the Autobots. The Dinobots arrived to save the day in return for lodgings during a rainy spell, leaving Optimus to desperately ask Ratchet for the weather forecast ''every day''. (The forecast being rain, rain, rain...) {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17#Dino-MIGHT!|Dino-MIGHT!}}

Later, Detroit was hit by severe earthquakes and Optimus led the Autobots in a rescue operation, himself holding up a collapsing bridge all by himself. These earthquakes turned out to be the work of the supervillain [[Quake-Maker]]. Optimus fought him but was easily beaten up—but forget Optimus, because the ''awesome'' Elite Guard operative [[Afterburn]] arrived, swiftly taking control of the Autobots and taking the villain down. Optimus was left a bit upset that Afterburn was so much better than him. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 1|Burnout}}

He appears to have been so upset that he didn't bother turning up afterwards, letting Afterburn dominate things. Prime's big contribution was to give everyone the day off. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3|Crossroads!}}

Later on, he ran afoul of the angry and impressively-moustached General Macadam, who was throwing a fit over Swoop buzzing a [[United States Air Force|USAF jet]]. Optimus gave the Dinobot a grilling over this... realising too late that Swoop, having been booted from Dinobot Island, had come for a job. Later on, Prime got ''very'' amused when Macadam angrily asked for help stopping the hijacked [[Wraith-X]], and had Bumblebee bring in Swoop for it.

There was no time to celebrate though, as ''Megatron'' assaulted their headquaters! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Divebomb}} It turned out Afterburn, who Megatron slaughtered, was a Decepticon infiltrator and a sparkless drone one at that, and he'd given their location away! Optimus and the gang held off a full Decepticon assault. In the aftermath, Optimus tried to boost Bumblebee's spirits by telling him he'd been a true hero in fighting Megatron, and that Afterburn hadn't been a ''real'' Transformer so his death was no biggie. It was quite dodgy how easily Optimus wrote the guy off, to be frank... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

Optimus would go on to watch the race at [[Crazy Coyote Canyon]] to find the "King of Speed", and told Bulkhead he could join in if he wanted. He probably regretted this when Bulkhead won and Prime had to carry him in a victor's lap... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|The Race}}

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==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:TFAnimated Deluxe CybertronPrime toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay. I sleep all night and I work all day."]]
*'''CYBERTRON Mode Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Ion-axe

:Based on his pre-[[Earth]] Cybertronian look, the first version of ''Animated'' Optimus Prime transforms into a half-track Cybertronic truck loosely based on the [http://www.fleetwatch.co.za/magazines/Feb2005/78-WW-Feb05.htm Mitsubishi Fuso Hybrid concept truck] with some heavy sci-fi influences. As a half-track, instead of rear wheels, he has molded, caterpillar-linked tracks with smaller wheels inside for rolling along smooth surfaces. The hitch assembly becomes his axe, which can be wielded with one blade (for the rocket-boosted look) or have the single blade split to form a double-bladed axe. The truck roof can be mounted on his left arm as a shield or spread apart and attached to the axe to become giant energon blades.

:Prime's axe weapon is stored by partially folding the axe at the grey hinge near the handle peg, then placing the handle peg in a hole on the back of the cab (actually his two fists' holes, thus helping them hold it in position) with the blade facing down and a grey peg facing up, acting as a "fifth wheel" (known as a trailer hitch among fans), should one find a suitable trailer to attach onto it. The peg also resembles the rocket thruster on the back of Prime's axe in robot mode. The figure's superb range of articulation and long axe-handle actually allow Optimus to wield his weapon two-handed. This is sheer awesomeness.

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[[Image:TFAnimated Deluxe BattleBegins Prime toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|[http://youtube.com/watch?v=OHxyZaZlaOs And he "axed" him for help...]]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs. Megatron: The Battle Begins''' (Entertainment Pack, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Ion-Axe

:The Deluxe-class Earth Mode Optimus Prime has a very similar engineering design to the Deluxe-class Cybertron Mode Optimus Prime figure. He has a battle-damaged deco and comes with a Deluxe-class Cybertron Mode Megatron figure as well as a DVD featuring the first episode of ''Transformers Animated''. He has a distinctively more "[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]" look than other ''Animated'' Primes, given the addition of smokestacks (a detail absent from the animation model) and a lack of black beneath the silver stripes. Like deluxe Megatron, he features a punching/axe slashing gimmick, where twisting his spring-loaded waist will make it snap back for a "robot punch." There are actually 4 wheels on his legs, so that the tires are always on the outside. Unfortunately, he can't skate on them like in the show. His axe (which is the most show-accurate out of all of his toys) stores in his aft section. As with Cybertron Mode Optimus, this figure even has enough articulation to hold his long-handled axe two-handed and raise it over his head for a massive chop. ''Brilliant.''

:If you want to be pedantic about it, the battle implied by the battle-pack pairing is technically a timeline impossibility, insofar as it depicts Earth Mode Optimus versus Cybertron Mode Megatron. It is also [[Scale|scaled]] incorrectly, as Megatron was shown as being notably larger than Optimus in ''[[Transform and Roll Out]]''

: This toy was later re-released without changes in a [[#2packBlackarachnia|2-pack with Blackarachnia]].

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[[Image:TFAnimated Activators EarthPrime toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Domo-arigato, mister roboto!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Activators, 2008)

: Part of the second wave of [[Activators]], this toy is a smaller-scale Optimus Prime with a push-button, spring-loaded [[autotransformation]] from vehicle to robot mode. He has no axe accessory. Aww...

*'''Armor Up Optimus Prime''' (Activators, 2009/10)

: A redeco of Activators Optimus, this Optimus is an homage to Star Convoy.
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[[Image:TFAnimated Voyager EarthOptimusPrime toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hey, whatever happened to that [[mouthplate]]?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Ion Axe/backpack, water cannon

:Part of the second wave of Voyager class toys, this Optimus transforms into a futuristic Earth-mode fire truck (well, the front half of one, at least). His rear portion includes a giant extinguisher cannon, which can become a hand weapon and [[Water-squirting gimmick|really squirts water]]. His trailer also transforms into a giant, very non-[[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] double-bladed ion axe. These weapons can store on his back, giving the appearance of wings and a jet pack. Like his deluxe-class toys, Prime can also hold his axe two-handed, albeit not as easily achieved compared to the deluxe versions. The toy features a mouthplate which can slide up to cover his face or retract down below. He also has an [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]] feature: Pressing a button on his...butt...flips down and rotates his...crotch...into the proper position for robot mode. Please, Hasbro, no more features in those areas.

:Voyager Optimus is the most [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] of the various ''Animated'' Optimuses (apart from his weapons, although his fist-holes are the same size as the Deluxe versions, so he can "borrow" their more accurate axes), and certainly the most [[Scale|scale-accurate]] when displayed alongside other figures that only exist in one primary [[size class]] like [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] or [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]. The original release of this toy was notable amongst ''Animated'' figures for its lack of a faction symbol in either mode; later waves of the figure, however, have included a silver-on-white Autobot sigil on the robot mode's left shoulder to more closely reflect the animation model's detailing.

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*'''Wingblade Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2010?)
**''Accessories'': 'Wingblade' jetpack, Magnus Hammer

: Wingblade Optimus Prime is a [[Retool|retool]] of Deluxe ''The Battle Begins'' Two-pack Optimus Prime in much the same style as Hydrodive Bumblebee and Samurai Prowl. This retool is designed to represent Optimus as he appeared in Endgame Part I and II, and as such has his Jetpack, and instead of the character's signature axe, a slightly scaled down version of the Magnus hammer. In vehicle mode the Wingblade jetpack folds down to become Optimus' firetruck trailer, but it is currently unknown how the hammer is stored. One can guess that it stores the same way as the two Deluxe Optimus' axes do—in between his legs. His Wingblade jetpack and Magnus Hammer are compatible with the original Voyager Class toy in robot mode, but obviously the vehicles are distinctly different shapes.

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[[Image:TFAnimated RolloutCommand OptimusPrime toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Be sociable, have a [[Pepsi Convoy|Pepsi]]!]]
*'''Roll-Out Command Optimus Prime''' (Supreme, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Ultra-Axe

:This super-sized Prime figure is sculpted around one major gimmick: Rolling the toy forward in vehicle mode causes the cab to spin around, slowly unfolding into the robot mode torso. The legs are subsequently transformed manually, completing the robot mode. Pressing the Autobot [[insignia]] between Prime's windows and the lights on his roof both activate assorted electronic effects, including red LEDs in his lightbar, yellow LEDs in his headlights and eyes, and sound effects including engine revving noises, a siren, and four speech clips featuring the voice of David Kaye. In robot mode, Prime's (non-retractable) [[mouthplate]] jiggles up and down in time with his speech.

:Prime is armed with a particularly cartoon-accurate axe, which can be held in either hand, but which specifically interacts with his right one. Placing the axe in his fist and pressing the button on the back of his hand triggers the axe's pop-out translucent blades and rocket jet. Pushing down on the tab built into the back of his right shoulder extends the arm out fully, and releasing it lets Prime swing his axe down, accompanied by an electronic slashing noise. The left arm has a similar effect, except pushing the tab thrusts his arm forward in a punch, with accompanying sound effect.

:While Prime's legs have a high range of articulation like most ''Animated'' toys, his torso is heavily beholden to its gimmicks and features no effective articulation whatsoever; the only manipulable part of his body above his waist that isn't part of a gimmick is his right elbow.

:Many (all?) copies of this figure have the moving mouthplate default to the "down" position when not moving, rather than "up" or "at rest" as the box photography would indicate. This leads to the unfortunate impression that Optimus is either always mid-sentence...or a slack-jawed yokel.

:This mold was used to make the first prize of the [[Hasbro UK exclusive limited Edition Handmade Samples]].

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[[Image:BumperBattlers OptimusPrime toy.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]
*'''Bumper Battlers Optimus Prime''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)

:Like all Bumper Battlers is a simple one-step Transformer aimed at younger kids. He transforms by pushing the front bumper of his truck mode, which flips up a robot torso and upper thighs. Yup, that's right—if you smash him into a wall or other toys he will transform. Good luck finding a loose, mint version of this toy when you're on your nostalgia trip 10 years from now.

:In robot mode he actually has some limited articulation in his wrists, and his neck. Plus he's holding an adorable little axe in one hand.

:The toy has a sound chip that can be activated in either mode. It has two massive strings of phrases, battle sounds and voice effects, actived by either pressing his Autobot insignia or pressing his bumper (which also transforms him). Some phrases are recombined for more variation.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (McDonald's Happy Meal toys, 2008)

:A simple version of Optimus Prime with a very simple transformation sequence. You transform him by pulling down the legs, pulling out the arms from his back and flipping up the head. Rather unusual amongst the ''Animated'' McDonald's toys, which typically have one show-accurate mode and one non-show-accurate mode, Optimus manages to pull off both modes with reasonable show-accuracy. He too is deprived of an axe, as is generally the case with McDonald's toys lacking accessories.

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*'''Stealth Lockdown''' (Animated 3-pack, 2008)

: A ''Universe'' Legends-class Optimus Prime came packaged with this version of [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], as well as a Legends [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]].

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*'''Nightwatch Optimus Prime''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)

[[Image:Ani-toy BumperBattlers NightwatchPrime.JPG|right|250px|thumb|Able to enter the Gloom at will.]]
:A redeco of the original Bumper Battlers toy in dark purple and black with [[Neon|lime green]] windows and accents. The sound effects are new, and seemingly utilize an actor who is not David Kaye.

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*'''The Revenge of Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe 2-pack, 2008)

: This two-pack features an unchanged Battle Damaged Deluxe Optimus, from the ''Battle Begins'' two-pack, and an unchanged Deluxe [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]].

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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Universe2008-toy LegendsAniPrime.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends, 2008)

: Part of the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'' series]], this [[Legends Class|Legends-class]] version of Optimus is a simple version of the larger Earth-mode Optimus design. He is part of the third wave of Legends-class figures. He joins Activator Optimus and McOptimus in the axeless Primes club.

: This toy can also be found as part of the ''Animated'' [[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]] three-pack with Legends [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], and as part of a ''Universe'' three-pack with Legends Bumblebee and Legends [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]].
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==Merchandise==
===Animated===
[[Image:Ani-toy OptimusBattleBlaster.JPG|right|250px|thumb|]]
*'''Optimus Prime Battle Blaster''' (2008)

: This toy is a simple fire truck which transforms into a thing with a nominal resemblance to a gun and can be fitted around one's hand.

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==Notes==
* The twin cylinder-shaped protrusions connected to Optimus's small antennae are inspired by the head design of the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 movie]] rendition of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], as opposed to the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|traditional]] single cylinder.

* Optimus Prime features design elements from two different incarnations of [[Optimus Primal]]. The "skin" color of his face (and to a lesser extent, the presence of a retractable faceplate) is taken from Primal's first [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] body, while the way his lips are drawn is inspired by Primal's [[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]] body. [[Derrick Wyatt]] thought since Prime is more of an inexperienced leader, he wanted to infuse some elements from Primal's design, who had a similar role in his series. <ref>[http://community.livejournal.com/tf_animated/271043.html#cutid1 Derrick Wyatt Q&A at the tf_animated livejournal community]</ref>

* Optimus was killed off after only [[Transform and Roll Out|one episode]] (three if you want to get technical) ''and'' revived 1 minute and 15 seconds later. That's gotta be [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|a new record]].

* At the end of "Transform and Roll Out", Prime's spark is contained in the same place ordinarily reserved for the [[Matrix (disambiguation)|Matrix]] in other continuities.

* Despite nominally being a fire truck, Prime's alt mode features a detachable cab that can mount a number of different trailers, such as [[Headmaster (episode)|a lookalike of Generation 1 Optimus's trailer]] and a [[The Elite Guard|dump truck]]. Presumably, this would make his alt mode not a fire truck, but a semi-truck ''outfitted'' as a fire truck. Score one for the old fans!

* Like his Generation 1 counterpart, this Optimus's trailer almost invariably disappears COMPLETELY when he transforms, assuming it's there to begin with. This even happens when it isn't his trailer, such as in "[[Garbage In, Garbage Out]]". Even Prime himself is just as confused as to where it goes, as evidenced by "[[Career Day]]" [[Subspace]] shunting? [[Unicron Singularity]]? Or...something more?

* Optimus Prime's bio on his Happy Meal toy at McDonald's says he is a '''FIRE TRUCK CAB'''.

* According to the packaging call-outs for Cybertron Mode, DVD two-pack and Voyager Optimus Prime, his weapon is an "Ion-Axe" (or "Ion Axe"). However, on Roll Out Command Optimus Prime, Optimus's weapon is an "Ultra-Axe". The ''[[AllSpark Almanac]]'' labels it a [[Solitarium]] weapon.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/CybModeOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm Optimus Prime at TFU.info]

==References==
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NEST

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:''NEST is a military organization in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film series]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

[[Image:NEST insignia.png|right|300px|]]

Following the disbanding of [[Sector Seven]], '''NEST''' was set up under [[William Lennox]] to create a combined [[United States military|United States Military]]/[[Autobot]] defense force against [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]. Though originally an [[United States of America|American]]-Autobot military alliance, it soon expanded to include armed forces from the [[United Kingdom]] and other nations.

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
[[Image:Alliance3_NEST_rollout.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Hey, that's my line!]]

Approximately one month after the events in [[Mission City]], Sector Seven inadvertently reactivated the [[Decepticon]] [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and simultaneously attracted the attention of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and the subsequent battle leveled Sector Seven's [[Nevada]] bunker, costing dozens of lives. [[John Keller|Secretary of Defense Keller]] immediately terminated the clandestine group's operations upon learning of the incident.

In the aftermath, Captain Lennox tried to convince his dubious and hostile superiors at the [[Pentagon]] that the Autobots were indeed trustworthy and would be a valuable asset. His superiors impressed upon him that in order for the military to provide full disclosure, the Autobots must cooperate fully, and that the unit was Lennox's responsibility now. After the burial-at-sea of [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Lennox agreed that for the protection of their mutual homeworld, they must trust each other and work together as a single team. Sometime later, the newly formed NEST command commenced training at the military base on [[Diego Garcia]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

NEST had a baptism of fire against the [[Decepticon]] scouts [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Jolt (Movie)|Dead End]] in [[San Francisco]]: the mission was successful although Lennox was criticized for allowing the Autobots to transform on the Golden Gate Bridge. NEST expanded to a multinational force and began taking on Decepticon agents across [[Earth]]: [[Fracture]] and [[Overcast (Movie)|Overcast]] were destroyed in Europe, while [[Dropkick]] and [[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]] were defeated in [[Florida]]. NEST's victories were tempered with the ultimate sacrifice, such as when [[Salani]] died battling [[Jetstorm (Movie)|Jetstorm]]. When [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] redeployed back to the 'States as [[Sam Witwicky]]'s guardian, NEST received a much-needed boost in Transformers ranks when [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] came to Earth. This joy was short-lived, however: the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had been sighted in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}
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===''The Veiled Threat'' prequel novel===
{{Note|The events of ''The Veiled Threat'' take place during [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Alliance (comic)|Alliance]]'' comic. Yes, Swindle and Deadend are alive.}}
As [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was spotted in [[Zambia]], gaining control over local rebel groups by using his internal synthesizers to create [[gold]] coins, NEST was deployed to the Zambezi River to battle [[Dropkick]], [[Macerator]], and [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]. [[Beachbreak]] was killed by Starscream while helping Optimus Prime not fall to his death at Victoria Falls. Starscream's Decepticons attempted to destroy a series of dams, but Prime killed Macerator, while Payload was drowned when the humans entered the dam and opened the flood gates.

Epps, Russian scientist [[Petr Andronov]], [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] and [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knockout]] went to [[Peru]], while Lennox, [[Kaminari Ishihara]], Prime, Ironhide, and [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]] arrived in the Western [[Australia]]n Outback. Epps' team fought off [[Ruination (ROTF)|Ruination]] and [[Blademaster]], while Lennox's group encountered [[Kickback (ROTF)|Kickback]], [[Tread]] and [[Trample]]. Before dying, Kickback revealed he was part of a Decepticon faction not under Starscream's command, which were trying to gather enough energy to revive Megatron.

At Diego Garcia, [[crab spy|a small crab]] Decepticon infiltrated the base and hacked into the NEST computers before sneaking back into the sea. Despite the break-in, the NEST team continues their usual business, hunting [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Jolt (Movie)|Deadend]] in [[Italy|Rome]]. Unexpectedly, Starscream challenged Prime to single combat inside the Coliseum. There, Prime fell through a trap door to a subway tunnel extension and into a strong set of restraints arranged by Italian criminal [[Bruno Carrera]] - who was promised rule of Europe once Starscream conquered Earth - where he was attacked by [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]. The humans rescued Prime though, and Barricade and Starscream fled. {{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

[[Image:Titan3_NESTedwardsairbase.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Where were we in the film? We were... redecorating. Yes.]]

NEST have a secret base in a hanger at Edwards Air Force Base, [[California]], which both monitors for Decepticons and possesses a rapid-reaction strike team for missions on US soil. Ironhide was the commanding officer there, with [[Sergeant Dundee]] as the strike team's leader. At least five people monitor and handle the computer side of things, and like the Diego Garcia base, they work on a raised platform on wheels. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}} Another base, labelled as forward operations, exists in [[United Kingdom|Scotland's]] Orkney Islands, overseen by [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]. It contains a training facility for Autobots, but does not appear heavily staffed. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.4|New Tricks}}

The California NEST team went to [[Las Vegas]] to intercept and capture [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]. They came close, disabling with with electrified cables and almost anchoring him to the ground, only for [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] to muck it up. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

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===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
NEST arrived in Shanghai with a cover story provided by the Chinese government that they were cleaning up a toxic spill in the industrial area. In reality, the Autobot-human military alliance was hunting the sixth group of Decepticon infiltrators detected in the past eight months, with the hopes of cleanly taking out the enemy without members of the public witnessing the secret war. Unfortunately, the Decepticons, Demolishor and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]], wrecked a significant portion of Shanghai before they were defeated by Sideswipe and Optimus Prime. Returning to their base at Diego Garcia, Lennox and Optimus met [[Theodore Galloway]], who was appointed their new Director by the [[President of the United States]], and held a video conference with General [[Morshower]]. Galloway noted President [[Barack Obama|Obama]]'s serious concerns at the destruction during the Shanghai battle, and voiced his opinion that the Decepticons only remained because the Autobots did. Optimus said that if the Autobots were asked to leave, they would do so, but asked Galloway to pass on a message to the President: what if the Autobots leave, and the humans are wrong?

Little did they know, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] was listening in on their conversation, overhearing details such as [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s location in the [[Laurentian Abyss]], and the last [[All Spark]] fragment in storage at Diego Garcia. [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] was deployed to steal the fragment, which [[Scalpel]] used to revive their leader. The reborn Megatron went after [[Sam Witwicky]], and Optimus Prime died protecting him. Following Optimus' death, the Decepticons arrived in greater numbers during bolder attacks under the leadership of Megatron's master, [[The Fallen]], and Galloway ordered the termination of NEST and that the Autobots retreat to Diego Garcia.

But [[Seymour Simmons]] contacted Lennox, revealing he had travelled to [[Egypt]] with Sam to unravel the Decepticons' plot, and that they should bring Optimus Prime's body, as the boy had a plan to resurrect him. During their supposed flight to Diego Garcia, Lennox had the pilots divert to Egypt and then fake engine trouble so Galloway would be forced to parachute off the plane, so they could land outside the [[pyramid]]s instead. Soundwave blocked off NEST's radio signals to the [[United States military]], but Simmons was able to use a radio from a [[Jordan]]ian helicopter to request backup from the nearby [[United States Navy#U.S.S. John C. Stennis (CVN-74)|U.S.S. ''John C. Stennis''<nowiki>'</nowiki> battle group]]. On the ground, NEST fought a desperate struggle to hold off the Decepticons, until Sam arrived with the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which he used to resurrect Optimus Prime. With the Autobot leader functioning again, NEST watched as he combined with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] and subsequently defeated The Fallen. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}
{{-}}

==Known members==
===Humans===
*Technical/Master Sergeant [[Robert Epps]] ([[United States Air Force]])
*Captain/Major [[William Lennox]] ([[United States Army|United States Army Rangers]])
*[[Burke]]
*[[Salani]]
*[[Kaminari Ishihara]] — Cyberneticist
*[[Petr Andronov]] — "AI genius"
*General [[Marks]]
*SASF Agent [[Graham]]
*[[Sergeant Dundee]]
*All those who complete the NEST missions [http://www.LGNEST.com ]

===Autobots===
{{collist|3|
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]]
*[[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]]
*[[Beachbreak]]
*[[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]]
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
*[[Mudflap (ROTF) |Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF) |Skids]]
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]
*[[Jolt (ROTF) |Jolt]]
*[[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]
*[[Stratosphere]]
*[[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]]
*[[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]]
}}

==Trivia==
*What NEST stands for is not mentioned on screen. Depending on who you ask, it means:
**'''Networked Elements: Supporters and Transformers''' ''{{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}''
**'''Nonbiological Extraterrestrial Species Treaty''' ''{{storylink|The Last Prime}}''
**'''Nonbiological Extraterrestrial Species Team''' [http://www.lgnest.com/ LG promotional tie-in website]

* NEST troopers appeared on Cover B of the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' prequel comic "[[Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2]]" , but were nowhere to be seen in the story inside. This is because most of the covers illustrated by ''Revenge'' concept artist [[Josh Nizzi]] were meant to allude to scenes or situations in the actual ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie itself.

* The native population of [[Diego Garcia]] were [[Wikipedia:Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia|''expelled'']] from the island to make way for the joint [[United Kingdom]]/United States military bases. The Autobots are led by Optimus Prime, who believes freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Err...

* There is a real US Government agency known as NEST. [[Wikipedia:Nuclear_Emergency_Support_Team|The Nuclear Emergency Support Team]]. Of course, it could just be a cover for joint operations with alien robots...

* The ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toyline's [[pricepoint|Voyager class]] Ironhide toy features a different NEST symbol on his alt-mode doors; a white Autobot symbol wearing a red beret set within a United Nations-styled logo, with 'special program' written underneath. Meanwhile, Scout class [[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]] features a NEST symbol with the Autobot sigil and a downward pointing broadsword (from a NEST special forces patch) replacing the cow's skull. [[Fast Action Battler]] Ironhide has the same sword symbol as Dune Runner.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Nest}}
[[Category:Human organizations]]
[[Category:NEST| ]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

NEST

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:''NEST is a military organization in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film series]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

[[Image:NEST insignia.png|right|300px|]]

Following the disbanding of [[Sector Seven]], '''NEST''' was set up under [[William Lennox]] to create a combined [[United States military|United States Military]]/[[Autobot]] defense force against [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]. Though originally an [[United States of America|American]]-Autobot military alliance, it soon expanded to include armed forces from the [[United Kingdom]] and other nations.

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
[[Image:Alliance3_NEST_rollout.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Hey, that's my line!]]

Approximately one month after the events in [[Mission City]], Sector Seven inadvertently reactivated the [[Decepticon]] [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and simultaneously attracted the attention of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and the subsequent battle leveled Sector Seven's [[Nevada]] bunker, costing dozens of lives. [[John Keller|Secretary of Defense Keller]] immediately terminated the clandestine group's operations upon learning of the incident.

In the aftermath, Captain Lennox tried to convince his dubious and hostile superiors at the [[Pentagon]] that the Autobots were indeed trustworthy and would be a valuable asset. His superiors impressed upon him that in order for the military to provide full disclosure, the Autobots must cooperate fully, and that the unit was Lennox's responsibility now. After the burial-at-sea of [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Lennox agreed that for the protection of their mutual homeworld, they must trust each other and work together as a single team. Sometime later, the newly formed NEST command commenced training at the military base on [[Diego Garcia]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

NEST had a baptism of fire against the [[Decepticon]] scouts [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Jolt (Movie)|Dead End]] in [[San Francisco]]: the mission was successful although Lennox was criticized for allowing the Autobots to transform on the Golden Gate Bridge. NEST expanded to a multinational force and began taking on Decepticon agents across [[Earth]]: [[Fracture]] and [[Overcast (Movie)|Overcast]] were destroyed in Europe, while [[Dropkick]] and [[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]] were defeated in [[Florida]]. NEST's victories were tempered with the ultimate sacrifice, such as when [[Salani]] died battling [[Jetstorm (Movie)|Jetstorm]]. When [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] redeployed back to the 'States as [[Sam Witwicky]]'s guardian, NEST received a much-needed boost in Transformers ranks when [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] came to Earth. This joy was short-lived, however: the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had been sighted in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}
{{-}}

===''The Veiled Threat'' prequel novel===
{{Note|The events of ''The Veiled Threat'' take place during [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[Alliance (comic)|Alliance]]'' comic. Yes, Swindle and Deadend are alive.}}
As [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was spotted in [[Zambia]], gaining control over local rebel groups by using his internal synthesizers to create [[gold]] coins, NEST was deployed to the Zambezi River to battle [[Dropkick]], [[Macerator]], and [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]]. [[Beachbreak]] was killed by Starscream while helping Optimus Prime not fall to his death at Victoria Falls. Starscream's Decepticons attempted to destroy a series of dams, but Prime killed Macerator, while Payload was drowned when the humans entered the dam and opened the flood gates.

Epps, Russian scientist [[Petr Andronov]], [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] and [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knockout]] went to [[Peru]], while Lennox, [[Kaminari Ishihara]], Prime, Ironhide, and [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]] arrived in the Western [[Australia]]n Outback. Epps' team fought off [[Ruination (ROTF)|Ruination]] and [[Blademaster]], while Lennox's group encountered [[Kickback (ROTF)|Kickback]], [[Tread]] and [[Trample]]. Before dying, Kickback revealed he was part of a Decepticon faction not under Starscream's command, which were trying to gather enough energy to revive Megatron.

At Diego Garcia, [[crab spy|a small crab]] Decepticon infiltrated the base and hacked into the NEST computers before sneaking back into the sea. Despite the break-in, the NEST team continues their usual business, hunting [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Jolt (Movie)|Deadend]] in [[Italy|Rome]]. Unexpectedly, Starscream challenged Prime to single combat inside the Coliseum. There, Prime fell through a trap door to a subway tunnel extension and into a strong set of restraints arranged by Italian criminal [[Bruno Carrera]] - who was promised rule of Europe once Starscream conquered Earth - where he was attacked by [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]. The humans rescued Prime though, and Barricade and Starscream fled. {{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

[[Image:Titan3_NESTedwardsairbase.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Where were we in the film? We were... redecorating. Yes.]]

NEST have a secret base in a hanger at Edwards Air Force Base, [[California]], which both monitors for Decepticons and possesses a rapid-reaction strike team for missions on US soil. Ironhide was the commanding officer there, with [[Sergeant Dundee]] as the strike team's leader. At least five people monitor and handle the computer side of things, and like the Diego Garcia base, they work on a raised platform on wheels. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}} Another base, labelled as forward operations, exists in [[United Kingdom|Scotland's]] Orkney Islands, overseen by [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]. It contains a training facility for Autobots, but does not appear heavily staffed. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.4|New Tricks}}

The California NEST team went to [[Las Vegas]] to intercept and capture [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]. They came close, disabling with with electrified cables and almost anchoring him to the ground, only for [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] to muck it up. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.3|Learning Curve}}

{{-}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
NEST arrived in Shanghai with a cover story provided by the Chinese government that they were cleaning up a toxic spill in the industrial area. In reality, the Autobot-human military alliance was hunting the sixth group of Decepticon infiltrators detected in the past eight months, with the hopes of cleanly taking out the enemy without members of the public witnessing the secret war. Unfortunately, the Decepticons, Demolishor and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]], wrecked a significant portion of Shanghai before they were defeated by Sideswipe and Optimus Prime. Returning to their base at Diego Garcia, Lennox and Optimus met [[Theodore Galloway]], who was appointed their new Director by the [[President of the United States]], and held a video conference with General [[Morshower]]. Galloway noted President [[Barack Obama|Obama]]'s serious concerns at the destruction during the Shanghai battle, and voiced his opinion that the Decepticons only remained because the Autobots did. Optimus said that if the Autobots were asked to leave, they would do so, but asked Galloway to pass on a message to the President: what if the Autobots leave, and the humans are wrong?

Little did they know, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] was listening in on their conversation, overhearing details such as [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s location in the [[Laurentian Abyss]], and the last [[All Spark]] fragment in storage at Diego Garcia. [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] was deployed to steal the fragment, which [[Scalpel]] used to revive their leader. The reborn Megatron went after [[Sam Witwicky]], and Optimus Prime died protecting him. Following Optimus' death, the Decepticons arrived in greater numbers during bolder attacks under the leadership of Megatron's master, [[The Fallen]], and Galloway ordered the termination of NEST and that the Autobots retreat to Diego Garcia.

But [[Seymour Simmons]] contacted Lennox, revealing he had travelled to [[Egypt]] with Sam to unravel the Decepticons' plot, and that they should bring Optimus Prime's body, as the boy had a plan to resurrect him. During their supposed flight to Diego Garcia, Lennox had the pilots divert to Egypt and then fake engine trouble so Galloway would be forced to parachute off the plane, so they could land outside the [[pyramid]]s instead. Soundwave blocked off NEST's radio signals to the [[United States military]], but Simmons was able to use a radio from a [[Jordan]]ian helicopter to request backup from the nearby [[United States Navy#U.S.S. John C. Stennis (CVN-74)|U.S.S. ''John C. Stennis''<nowiki>'</nowiki> battle group]]. On the ground, NEST fought a desperate struggle to hold off the Decepticons, until Sam arrived with the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which he used to resurrect Optimus Prime. With the Autobot leader functioning again, NEST watched as he combined with [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] and subsequently defeated The Fallen. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}
{{-}}

==Known members==
===Humans===
*Technical/Master Sergeant [[Robert Epps]] ([[United States Air Force]])
*Captain/Major [[William Lennox]] ([[United States Army|United States Army Rangers]])
*[[Burke]]
*[[Salani]]
*[[Kaminari Ishihara]] — Cyberneticist
*[[Petr Andronov]] — "AI genius"
*General [[Marks]]
*SASF Agent [[Graham]]
*[[Sergeant Dundee]]
*All those who complete the NEST missions [http://www.LGNEST.com ]

===Autobots===
{{collist|3|
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]]
*[[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]]
*[[Beachbreak]]
*[[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]]
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
*[[Mudflap (ROTF) |Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF) |Skids]]
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]
*[[Jolt (ROTF) |Jolt]]
*[[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]
*[[Stratosphere]]
*[[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]]
*[[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]]
}}

==Trivia==
*What NEST stands for is not mentioned on screen. Depending on who you ask, it means:
**'''Networked Elements: Supporters and Transformers''' ''{{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}''
**'''Nonbiological Extraterrestrial Species Treaty''' ''{{storylink|The Last Prime}}''
**'''Nonbiological Extraterrestrial Species Team''' [http://www.lgnest.com/ LG promotional tie-in website]

* NEST troopers appeared on Cover B of the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' prequel comic "[[Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2]]" , but were nowhere to be seen in the story inside. This is because most of the covers illustrated by ''Revenge'' concept artist [[Josh Nizzi]] were meant to allude to scenes or situations in the actual ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie itself.

* The native population of [[Diego Garcia]] were [[Wikipedia:Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia|''expelled'']] from the island to make way for the joint [[United Kingdom]]/United States military bases. The Autobots are led by Optimus Prime, who believes freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Err...

* There is a real US Government agency known as NEST. [[Wikipedia:Nuclear_Emergency_Support_Team|The Nuclear Emergency Support Team]]. Of course, it could just be a cover for joint operations with alien robots...

* The ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toyline's [[pricepoint|Voyager class]] Ironhide toy features a different NEST symbol on his alt-mode doors; a white Autobot symbol wearing a red beret set within a United Nations-styled logo, with 'special program' written underneath. Meanwhile, Scout class [[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]] features a NEST symbol with the Autobot sigil and a downward pointing broadsword (from a NEST special forces patch) replacing the cow's skull.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Nest}}
[[Category:Human organizations]]
[[Category:NEST| ]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Landmine (Movie)

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{{disambig3|Landmine}}
:''Landmine is both an [[Autobot]] and a series of [[drones]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Alliance2_LM1_Landmines.jpg|thumb|400px|Their mission: Disassemble Number Five]]

'''Landmine''' was brought to life by the [[All Spark]] during the [[Autobot]]s' final battle with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] in [[Mission City]]. Though Landmine finds time to log in training sessions with his mentor, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], he prefers to act as an undercover agent with the [[human]]s of [[Sector Seven]].<ref>At the time that this biography was published, Sector Seven was terminated at the end of the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' 2007 movie]], it was unknown at the time when these adventures might have taken place.</ref>

The '''L.M.-1''' series of drones were manufactured by Sector Seven with information supplied by [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]]. Three of the drones became [[Allspark Mutation]]s when they came in contact with energy from an AllSpark fragment.

==Fiction==
===Transformers (2007) movie===
[[Image:S7 buggy 52 smush.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Despite surviving the [[Starscream (Movie)|schemer]], the guy with the [[Brawl (Movie)|identity crisis]] did him in.]]
[[Robert Epps]] and [[William Lennox]] commandeered [[Sector Seven]] assault buggy #52 for their trip to [[Mission City]]. When they left the buggy, it was taken over by an unknown [[Sector Seven]] driver. Buggy #52 seems to have survived Starscream's initial attack, but was damaged while fighting [[Devastator (Movie)|Devastator]], and the driver injured. [[William Lennox|Lennox]] ordered his men to evac the injured driver as [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] bought the retreating humans time against [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|''Transformers''}}

{{note|Through unknown circumstances (but probably [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]]'s fault) Buggy #52 was exposed to [[All Spark]] energy.}}
{{-}}

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
Four months before the events of Mission City, Sector Seven recovered the Decepticon [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and reactivated him. Though at first the Decepticon was hostile, [[Agent Salazar]] was able to come to an agreement with the being and exchange information. One of the fruits of these exchanges was the development of Sector Seven's L.M.-1 series of [[drones]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 2}}

In response to the threat of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] at the [[Hoover Dam]], Salazar unveiled, the L.M.-1. At first it appeared to be just an armored buggy, but Starscream's curiosity was piqued when the vehicle began to transform and reveal limbs. Unfortunately the display was less than impressive as the process halted in mechanical failure {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Two}} Sector Seven retrieved L.M.-1 and took him back to a covert [[Nevada]] base, where they also held [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] and [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]]. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 3|The Reign of Starscream Issue Number Three}}

While awaiting for the Autobots to arrive to begin escorting the Decepticon remains, [[Professor Vine]] and [[Seymour Simmons]] reminisced about how Salazar's dealings with Wreckage and the creation of the L.M.-1s. As the group prepared to dump the Decepticon remains, Vine wondered if L.M.-1's mechanical failure had anything to do with Wreckage's earlier rampage and forced shut-down. Before long, the Decepticon was brought back online by the one remaining fragment of the [[All Spark]]. However, the shard also seemed to bring three L.M.-1 units online, who came to the defense of the humans. Wreckage promptly slagged them. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2}}

==Toys==
===''Transformers'' (2007)===
[[Image:Movie_Landmine_toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Jeeper Creepers, where'd you get those peepers?]]
*'''Landmine''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MA-19'''
**''Accessories'': Auto-grenade launcher, AllSpark cube (Japanese release only)

: As part of the "[[AllSpark Power]]" portion of the movie line, Landmine transforms into a [[Sector Seven]] assault buggy of the type seen in the [[Transformers (2007)|movie]]. As Landmine's fiction places him as a hidden agent within Sector 7's motor pool, he has several S7 markings over his chassis. The rear of the vehicle sports an identification number of G2G-534. He features spring-loaded shock absorbers on all of his vehicle-mode wheels, plus a roof-mounted cannon on an articulated arm.

: Landmine features two [[Automorph]] gimmicks. The first is a spring-loaded front end, retracting his front wheels into his chest during transformation. The second is a sliding panel on each of his shins that retracts when the tail light/knee caps are moved into place.

: In robot mode, his grenade launcher can be back-mounted to make an over-shoulder cannon, or held in his hand. He also has wheels on the soles of his feet, which let him roll in robot mode... in theory, at least, since his heel-wheels rub against his legs, keeping them from spinning freely.

: Like all Japanese "AllSpark Power" toys, the [[Takara]] version of Landmine comes with a small Allspark cube accessory that's not included with the [[Hasbro]] version. Landmine himself has a slightly different base plastic color and rubber tires.

:Landmine was later redecoed into ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''' [[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]].
{{-}}

==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====R.P.M.s - Robot Powered Machines====
=====Battle Series=====
*'''Landmine vs Rampage''' (R.P.M. Mini-Vehicle, 2009)
**''Number:'' '''06 of 08'''

: Number six in a series of eight [[Robot Powered Machines]] [[Mini-Vehicle]] versus packs, Landmine is packaged with the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]. It's a non-transformable Hot Wheels-like car, with his robot mode sculpted and painted onto the underside of him.

{{comingsoontoy}}

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==Trivia==
[[Image:S7 buggy 52.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Cameos aren't much of a resume, but it's a living.]]
* Landmine's vehicle form is directly based on a specific Sector Seven assault buggy seen in the [[Transformers (2007)|movie]]. This makes him the only newly created mold from the movie toyline for a character who's not part of the movie cast that is a faithful recreation of the vehicle the toy is based on, without any major artistic liberties taken to circumvent licensing fees, such as [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]] or [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]].

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Movie characters]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Sector Seven]]
[[Category:Allspark Mutations]]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

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{{Note|'''HEY EVERYONE!''' [[Talk:Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|Click here and read this '''BEFORE''' editing]]!}}
{{cleanup|July 2009|This is clearly not up to our standards}}

{{nav-rotf-game}}

The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay. It was developed by [[Krome Studios]], and shares a few developers with the [[Transformers (Melbourne House)|earlier ''Armada''-based game]], Krome having acquired [[Melbourne House]], the company that developed the ''Armada'' game, in 2006. <ref>http://videogames.yahoo.com/news-1325222</ref>

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent satellite is just floating around, but a [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[NEST]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

'''Chapter 1: Optimus invades'''

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a NEST gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the NEST gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

'''Chapter 2: Ironhide vs. Demolishor'''

Ironhide blows up and smashes his way through numerous Decepticon drones, eventually jumping between walls onto a rooftop and winning a shootout with Decepticon long range warriors. A cutscene follows that depicts Ironhide jumping off the building onto the street, toppling a tower crane with his light weapon as Demolishor is under it. This knocks Demolishor into a pit, where he appears to be digging for something. Ironhide takes out Demolishor's top wheel and finally kills the larger Decepticon with three punches to the head.
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== Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable|c1=
'''[[Autobot]]s'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''[[Decepticon]]s'''
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
|h2=Nonplayable|c2=
'''Autobots'''
* [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Autobot ranged Warrior]]*
* Autobot ranged Lieutenant
* [[Hot Spot (ROTF)|Autobot ranged Captain]]
* Autobot melee Warrior
* Autobot melee Lieutenant
* [[Blazemaster (ROTF)|Autobot melee Captain]]
'''Decepticons'''
* Decepticon ranged Warrior
* Decepticon ranged Lieutenant
* [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Decepticon ranged Captain]]
* [[Thrust (ROTF)|Decepticon melee Warrior]]
* Decepticon melee Lieutenant
* Decepticon melee Captain
}}

*The ranged Warriors look a lot like Breakaway, but they are blue.

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].
* While on the first game, cars (and humans) seemed nearly invincible until you shot them, in this game, if you so much as ''step on'' a car, it ''explodes''.
* Jetfire can beat the ''snot'' out of Decepticons by ''stepping on them''!
===Differences with the Movie===

Krome was clearly writing the game on a different planet than the Movie's script.

* Devastator is killed near the beginning, in Shanghai, and by Optimus.
* Sideways doesn't die in Shanghai.
* Ironhide, rather than Optimus, kills Demolishor.
* Instead of the forest, Megatron wounds Optimus in the Decepticon base.
* Optimus don't die, but is damaged.
* The Fallen appears to be in total command of the Decepticons even before Megatron revives, as he is the one calling the shots.
* Sam and Mikaela aren't in the game, except for a brief phone conversation with Optimus, and even then, it is only their voices.
* Optimus kills The Fallen by putting him in front of the Star Harvester's beam.
* The battle with Devastator happens in the ''first'' battle. While Optimus, Ironhide, and Bumblebee are cleaning up in Shanghai, Devastator appears out of nowhere and attacks.
* Also, Optimus Prime, rather than a railgun, kills Devastator.
* Instead of looking for the Matrix, The Fallen looks for pieces of the Harvester, saying he already has the Matrix. We...probably don't want to know what that means.
* Instead of being trapped in the Smithsonian, [[Jetfire]] is in the Decepticon base.
==References==
{{Reflist}}

Thrust (Movie)

2009-09-21T15:28:30Z

206.253.51.107:

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Thrust}}
:''Thrust is a Decepticon in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

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'''Thrust''', otherwise know as '''melee Decepticon lieutenant''', is in charge of the lighter long-range Decepticons. He was first seen battling [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] above [[Shanghai]].

== Fiction ==
===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
{{note|The following events occur in the Star Screams letters page.}}

Thrust and Starscream are old colleagues in the [[Seeker (Movie)|Seekers]] and Starscream would like to reunite with him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|#9's Star Screams}}

==Games==
====''Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game (PS2/Wii)====

As Optimus Prime jumpped out of a large cargo plane, Thrust (or another lieutenant like him) fought Optimus, only to be blown to pieces. More of them later assaulted [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] in the Decepticon base. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)|Revenge of the Fallen: The Game (Wii/PS2)}}

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==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Thrust promo.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I am adorable and I will kill you!]]
*'''Thrust''' (Deluxe, 2009)

:Thrust is a [[retool]] and [[redeco]] of ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]], transforming into an approximation of an [[Wikipedia:F-35 Lightning II|F-35 Lightning II/Joint Strike Fighter]].
{{charstubtoys}}

[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Seekers]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]

Starscream (episode)

2009-09-20T19:18:19Z

206.253.51.107:

{{disambig3|Starscream}}

{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=29
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=30
|title="Starscream"
|japanese=野望の王邪心全開
|romaji=Yabō no Ō Jashin Zenkai
|translation=The King of Treachery—Evil Completely Unleashed
|image=Cyb_ep29_super_screamer.jpg
|caption=
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Hiro Masaki]]
|director=[[Naotaka Hayashi]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]]
|airdate=[[July 30]], 2005 (Japanese) [[March 25]], 2006 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The [[Reign of Starscream|reign of Starscream]] is begun!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:Cyb ep29 dogfight.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

While the kids and [[Mini-Con]]s at the [[Autobot]] base help the [[Cybertron Defense Team]] navigate the treacherous temporal warps created by the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] as they travel along the [[space bridge]] to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the battle between the Autobots and [[Decepticon]]s is still raging on [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]'s island base in the South Pacific. As [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and newcomer Autobot [[Wing Saber]] continue to dogfight, [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] try to help their respective comrades, and wind up battling eachother; [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] engage in a little sea-to-air warfare, both turning their missiles on [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] when he gets in their way; and [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] corner [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], only for the diminutive Decepticon to leap out of the way at the last second, causing them to collide. Feeling very pleased with himself, Ransack happens upon [[Lugnutz]], who has decided to take a break from the battle, dubbing it "too heavy". Ransack takes a leaf out of his book and sits down next to him.

Inside the island's volcano, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]] continue their descent, with [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] and [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] close behind. [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] attempts to trigger another of his traps, firing blasts of electricity at the approaching Autobots, but Vector Prime is ready for him this time, and uses a [[dimension gate]] to redirect the current, striking Scourge with it instead. The group reaches the bottom of the caldera where Sideways is waiting for them, and a battle quickly breaks out, but the Autobots are unable to score a hit on Sideways thanks to his frantic warping around. To overcome this, Vector Prime surreptitiously plants [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] on Sideways's back, and tracks his signal, allowing him to predict where Sideways will next appear. Optimus and Leobreaker fuse into Savage Claw Mode and strike Sideways down as soon as he rematerializes, at which point Scourge savagely enters the fray! He challenges Optimus Prime, but proves no match for the power of the Savage Claw.

[[Image:C29 synchro-control.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Simultaneously, the Cybertron Defense Team's journey gets doubly perilous as they hit a particularly rough stretch of space bridge, and come under bombardment from asteroids. With the enhanced firepower of their new modes, the team can easily blow the space-rocks to dust, but [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] gets a nasty surprise when one destroyed asteroid spews out a glob of goo that splatters over his windscreen and blinds him. To navigate the bridge safely, Hot Shot gives manual control of his systems over to Coby, who controls him remotely from [[Earth]] using a [[synchro-control]]. With [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] and [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] keeping the asteroids clear, Coby steers Hot Shot safely until the goo clears up and the Autobot can resume control.

[[Image:Cyb_ep29_staredown.jpg|left|thumb|220px]]

Back on the island, Evac, Wing Saber and Crosswise continue to battle Megatron, while Landmine confronts Mudflap, trying to talk his old friend out of his current course of action. When Megatron tries to break off the fight and make it to the volcano, Mudflap disappoints Landmine by coming to the Decepticon leader's aid, knocking the pursuing Evac out of the sky.

Within the volcano, Sideways returns to the side of Starscream, who continues to absorb the power of [[Primus]]'s [[spark]] through the [[Omega Lock]], and warns him of Megatron's approach. Starscream is undeterred, and Sideways decides to cut his losses and escape, but just as he departs, the Omega Lock erupts with power. All the Transformers within the volcano are forced to quickly exit as the mountain begins to erupt... but no-one expects to see, rising out of the flame, lava and ash... a gargantuan Starscream, transformed into a skyscraper-sized giant by the power of Primus! From the flames, Starscream produces a huge crown, which he places upon his head, declaring that his reign as ruler of the universe has now begun. Megatron, however, is unimpressed, and the two stare eachother down, surging with so much [[energon (Energon)|energon]] power that their battle threatens to tear the Earth in half. Realizing this, Scourge leads the Decepticons in an attack on Starscream that proves ineffectual, convincing Megatron that he must take matters into his own hands. The land-based Autobots all join forces to stop Megatron from advancing, while the flying Autobots push Starscream back, in an effort to keep the two Decepticons' terrifying energon auras from colliding.

[[Image: Cyb_ep29_giant_punch.jpg|right|thumb|220px]]

Watching everything from the Autobot base, the kids suddenly realize that Vector Prime is nowhere to be seen, having warped inside the volcano to recover the Omega Lock. They contact the elderly Autobot and discover that he has been pinned by falling rubble, unable to warp his way out, and so they communicate with the other Autobots to get someone to rescue him. Wing Saber steps up to the task and frees Vector Prime, but no sooner has Vector Prime stood upright than the pair come under attack by Thunderblast. Wing Saber's [[Cyber Key]] power is enough to do away with the flighty female, and the two Autobots escape the volcano with the Omega Lock in hand.

Back with the Cybertron Defense Team, the situation is getting worse as the space bridge is deteriorates around them. Just then, finally, Cybertron itself comes into view... but the team are horrified to see the planet is infested by metal-eating [[Scrapmetal (type)|Scrapmetal]]! The Autobot trio bounds into action, opening fire on the huge swarm of insectoid Transformers, but the odds are several million to three, and not looking good! The kids let Optimus Prime know of the Cybertron Defense Team's plight, but even as the Autobot leader hears the news, Starscream's massive fist comes soaring through the air, and smashes him into the ground...!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Six-Speed]] (4)
*[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (5)
*[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (6)
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (7)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (8)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (9)
*[[Wing Saber]] (10)
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (13)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (14)
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (18)
*[[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] (19)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (21)
*[[Vector Prime]] (22)
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (25)
*[[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]] (26)
*[[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (29)
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] (12)
*[[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] (15)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (16)
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (17)
*[[Lugnutz]] (20)
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] (23)
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (27)
*[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] (28)

|c3=
*[[Bud Hansen]] (1)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (2)
*[[Lori]] (3)

|c4=
*[[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (24)
*Hundreds of [[Scrapmetal (type)|Scrapmetal]]
}}

==Quotes==
"Hahahaha...." 
"What are you laughing at?!" 
"I'm laughing at a coward, a gutless wonder, a wimp—who I trained to be a warrior. But you could never cut it, Starscream. No matter how big you become, you're still the same pathetic wannabe! Oh yes...you're the king alright. The king of fools!" 
"Ever notice how much noise an insect makes, buzzing and clacking, until you crush it underfoot? That's what you are Megatron—a bug with a big mouth!" 
"We'll see—when I knock that crown off your head!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Starscream''' upon Starscream's "coronation".

"A girl has to choose the right accessories...like this rocket launcher that doubles as an ''even bigger'' rocket launcher! Don't you just love it?"
:—'''Thunderblast''' detects the logical fallacy of her toy's gimmick and rolls with it.

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
*In ''Galaxy Force'', the journey to Cybertron is a treacherous one because the planet is inside the black hole. ''Cybertron'' changed this plot point at the very beginning of the series, establishing that the black hole is merely ''near'' Cybertron, so this episode inserts mention of temporal warps and such surrounding the planet as an explanation for why the journey is so dangerous.
*Just before Starscream emerges from the volcano, ''Galaxy Force'' has Wing Saber react with shock to the sight of Optimus Prime merged with Leobreaker, and then express an interest in the idea of a combination when Evac explains the story behind it. ''Cybertron'' changes this to Wing Saber and Evac deciding to get down to ground-level and back Optimus up, removing the reference for a very pertinent reason that will become apparent in the next episode: namely, in ''Cybertron'', Wing Saber and Optimus have already combined in the past.
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_magic_glowy_auras.jpg|right|thumb]]
*When Jolt starts freaking out after Starscream emerges, in ''Galaxy Force'', he's distressed by Starscream's power, while in ''Cybertron'', he fears for their ability to get the Omega Lock back from him and Cybertron's fate if they don't.
*As Megatron and Starscream face off, they perform a baffling action that has been briefly glimsped in the past, but which will recur with increasing frequency from here on in: to represent characters summoning up their strength, in the ultimate example of [[Burning Justice]], they suddenly start glowing without explanation. Here and forevermore, ''Galaxy Force'' treats this as completely normal; ''Cybertron'' attempts to explain it by having an amazed Optimus note that they are surging with energon, which threatens to ignite.
*Just before the Cybertron Defense Team arrive at Cybertron, ''Galaxy Force'' just has them bemoaning their situation. In ''Cybertron'', they are quipping about who has blasted the most asteroids.
{{--}}
===Animation and/or technical glitches===
[[Image:Cyb_ep29_scale_nightmare.jpg|right|thumb]]
*Thunderblast's voice is ''crazy'' over-amplified in this episode.
*When Scourge emerges from the volcano and says "What's this?" he is speaking with the deeper, growling voice of his dragon mode, when he's actually in robot mode.
*Thundercracker is positively ''gargantuan'' when carrying the Decepticons on his back.

===Transformers references===
* Starscream's [[crown]] is, of course, identical to the one briefly worn by [[Starscream (G1)|the original Starscream]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. This Starscream manages to wear it for a lot longer!

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Snow Cat (Universe)

2009-09-06T21:43:48Z

206.253.51.107:

{{factions|minicon|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Snow Cat}}

:''Snow Cat is a [[Decepticon]]-allied [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] (via the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 Univese line]]).''

[[Image:Snow Cat Universe 2008 toy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Should have been Autobot Tigatron!]]

'''Snow Cat''' is a member of the [[Ground Surveillance Team]].

==Toys==
===Universe (2008)===
====Armada Series====
*'''Mini-Con 10-Pack''' (Multi-pack, 2009)
: Snow Cat is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Snarl (Classics)|Snarl]], transforming into a robotic white tiger. He has a (non-firing) blaster hidden in his beast-mode mouth.

: He was only available as part of a Mini-Con 10-pack with [[Windrazor (Universe)|Windrazor]], [[Ransack (Universe 2008)|Ransack]], [[Stockade (Universe 2008)|Stockade]], [[Overcharge (Universe)|Overcharge]], [[Sky Shadow (Universe)|Sky Shadow]], [[Scavenger (Universe 2008)|Scavenger]], [[Longview (Universe)|Longview]], [[Treadshot (Universe 2008)|Treadshot]], and [[Crosshairs (Universe)|Crosshairs]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Apexus]] and ''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]].

[[Category:Armada characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category: Universe (2008)]]

Decapitation

2009-09-03T20:31:28Z

206.253.51.107: /* He was still alive in The Veiled Threat.*/

{{stub}}
{{cleanup|July 2009}}
[[Image:Movie Bonecrusher dies.jpg|thumb|right|300px|This article only exists to please [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|him]].]]
'''Decapitation''' is a means of defeating an opponent by which his head is removed. Depending on the continuity, this may lead to [[death]].

[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ''loves'' it while [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] hates it.

{{quote|Give me your FACE!|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] revels in his favorite tactic|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
[[Image:NewOrder-OptimusPrimehead.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Time to face facts.]]
{{quote|It's all a matter of how you remove your head. You see, even I - unh, there it goes - can take my head off. It's all a matter of how you do it. There's a whole set of mental commands that disconnect nerve endings and the like. If you just rip it off, fuel lines, neural connections and other vital bits are severed, as in the case of Cyclonus. Nine times out of ten it's fatal.|[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] on decapitation.}}

{{quote|Well, it's quite simple really: the 'stupid female' (!) in question kindly restored Cloudburst's head to its rightful place, i.e. on top of his shoulders. Cyclonus wasn't lucky enough to have somebody around to do the same.|Dreadwind contradicting his previous statement.}}
After defeating the Autobots, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] removed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s head from his body for the purpose of accessing the [[Creation Matrix]]. {{storylink|The New Order}} Prime's head remained conscious and able to communicate with [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. {{storylink|The Worse of Two Evils!}} When he was finished with Prime's head, he disposed of a fake Optimus Prime as part of a ruse to trick the Autobots. The Autobots did indeed find the head and install it back on Prime's body. The fake head took control of Optimus's body and immediately started attacking the Autobots. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:CityofSteel Prime head.JPG|thumb|left|150px|Heading into the realms of disbelief.]]
Optimus Prime was decapitated by [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] as part of his disassembly after falling into [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s trap. This did not prevent him from being able to have partial control over his body parts. {{storylink|City of Steel}}

[[Cybertonium]] depletion caused [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]'s head to fall off, though he still had full control over the rest of his body. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}
{{-}}
====IDW comics continuity====
[[Image:Devastation6 Runamuckdies.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Where knocking your block off has a rather more literal meaning than first intended.]]
[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] was decapitated by the Whirling [[Reaper]]. His head remained alive, fully conscious and still able to speak, until another Reaper smashed it with a very large boulder.
{{--}}

====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[Image:Power Surge Megatron down.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Can you believe that this is ''the only'' decapitation like screenshot we have from Beast Wars?!]]
Decapitation is notably non-fatal for the Beast Warriors. [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]'s head frequently comes off, [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] got his head knocked off in an explosion, {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} and when [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] accidentally slammed into each other, they swapped heads. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}

===Live-action film series continuity===
[[Image:Barricade-comicsadaptation-death.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Your face? GIVE ME YOUR WHOLE FREAKING HEAD!]]
[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] rather ruthlessly decapitated [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]].

[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] was decapitated ... by [[Mikaela Banes|a chick!]] ... but his head lived on, taking a cell-phone [[alternate mode]] of its own. Frenzy is able to do this because he has a special, decentralized, modular nervous system. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] was decapitated by Optimus Prime, apparently killing him. {{storylink|Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four|Movie Adaptation #4}}

{{note|Barricade's decapitation was not shown in the film and later comics [[retcon]] him as surviving with his head still on his shoulders.}}

===Animated continuity===
[[Image:TFA Headmaster headbutt.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Glad to see you've got some headspace to deal with this issue (had enough of the puns yet?)]]
The [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] uses his [[Headmaster unit]] to cut off the heads of [[Transformer]]s so that he can take control over their bodies. Yet this does not kill his victims.

Two stand out examples of surviving decapitation are worth noting. The first is the example of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], who was decapitated during an uncontrolled re-entry into Earth's atmosphere. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} He was sent into stasis lock as a result, but was reactivated fifty years latter thanks to [[Sari Sumdac]]'s [[AllSpark Key]], which had been powered with the energies of the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

The other major example is [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], but this is atypical. Starscream's survival was because of an AllSpark fragment embedded in his head, meaning he could survive any normally spark threatening injury as long as the shard was in his head. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

==Trivia==
*In the [[Live-action film series|movie continuity]], [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy's]] decentralized nervous system allows him to not only survive decapitation, but to continue remain active as a mere head, even taking on a new alternate mode. In any event, the remains of his head were later seen in a display case.

[[Category:Tactics]]

Tactician

2009-08-26T17:09:07Z

206.253.51.107: /* Dubbing/continuity errors */

{{picsneeded}}

{{episode|
|series=Armada
|series2=Micron Legend
|ep=25
|prev=Chase (episode)
|next=Linkup
|title=Tactician
|japanese=軍師 (ちえもの) - tactician
|romaji=Gunshi [Chiemono]
|translation=Strategist (Wise Person)
|image=
|caption=
|production code=TF: A-25
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Shōji Tonoike]]
|director=[[Satoru Kusuda]], [[Masayuki Motsumoto]]
|animation studio=[[Actas]]
|airdate=[[January 28]], 2003 (UK) [[January 30]], 2003 (US) [[June 27|27 June]] 2003 (Japan)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''A new figure emerges, throwing the balance of power among the Decepticons out of whack.'''

==Synopsis==
A space shuttle is cruising through space when it encounters a bizarre flying object. Unable to hail the object, the crew brace as the object scans their shuttle. The object then flies off, revealing itself to be a look-alike for said shuttle.

[[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] then attempts to discuss the incident with the other kids, but no one aside from [[Alexis]] appears to take him seriously.

The scene shifts to the moon, where an invisible figure is shown descending upon the Decepticon base. He saunters on into the facility, opening up a door. Inside the room are several [[Mini-Cons]], who the figure notes as having been locked away. One of them, [[Inferno (Armada)|Inferno]], bravely walks forward and is chosen as the personal Mini-Con of this invisible figure. The rest, who were earlier shown trembling, are left in the room when the figure leaves them and the door is closed.

[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] is next seen flying over a battle between the Autobots and the Decepticons. The kids ask where [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] is, and are relieved to see that he’s on the battlefield. Specifically, the kids are relieved that Sideways cannot hack into their system again, and [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] informs them that he put a new firewall into place so that another incident can’t happen again.

Laserbeak then spots a Mini-Con crystal embedded in the side of the canyon where the battle is taking place, and so [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] volunteers to retrieve it. [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] orders [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] to intercept, but Cyclonus is shot down by [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]]. The battle soon degenerates into a brawl, with Megatron forming the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] using the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]] as a counter. Overhead, the same invisible figure notes how poorly the Decepticons are fighting and questions why Megatron is only using the Saber at half strength. Scavenger and Laserbeak note that someone else is on the battlefield, but as they’ve already retrieved the crystal and Megatron has ordered a retreat they seem to pay it no further heed.

Back on the moon, Megatron is about to take the Decepticons to task for their recent failure when Cyclonus and [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] start in on each other. Their fight is interrupted by a mysterious voice berating all of them for their failure. Demolishor sees Inferno in the back of the room and charges towards him, but he is tripped up by the invisible figure. The figure continues to berate the Decepticons, and then apologizes to Megatron for his late arrival. The figure then reveals himself to be [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], who Megatron refers to as his “dear, dear friend” and welcomes to Earth.

Later on, a furious Demolishor punches a wall out of anger over his being humiliated. Demolishor expresses his anger towards Thrust, only to have Cyclonus and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] point out that Thrust is a master of mimicry who has never been defeated in combat. Demolishor comments about seeing how good Thrust is by making him go up against the Autobots. Sideways then looks around the room, but says that it was nothing when Starscream asks what Sideways is doing. The scene ends with a shot of a cloaked Thrust walking out of the room.

Back on Earth, [[Rad White|Rad]], Alexis, and [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] cheer over the new arrival—the Mini-Con [[Prowl (Armada)|Prowl]]. Prowl is greeted by the [[Street Action Mini-Con Team]], with [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] apparently volunteering to show him around. [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]], Smokescreen, and [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] celebrate their new victory, but soon get into a spat with Red Alert and Smokescreen, who advocate caution. They are interrupted by Optimus, who is told that nothing is going on.

On the moon, Starscream is practicing while Demolishor and Cyclonus watch. They banter a little bit about how Thrust is their new secret weapon, then note that Sideways has gone missing again; it is speculated that he may be taking a nap. Instead, Sideways is then shown driving off in motorcycle mode while Thrust watches.

Thrust is then seen in Megatron’s throne room, discussing matters with Megatron. Thrust notes that Starscream is suited for second-in-command status, but is otherwise not impressed with Megatron’s soldiers. Thrust offers to go into battle with Megatron’s soldiers in order to observe them, but with the stipulation that he be allowed to possess the Star Saber. Megatron initially refuses, but a beam of light shining into the throne room allows Thrust a chance to talk Megatron into it through the use of metaphor.

The Decepticons, save for Sideways, are then assembled in the throne room. Megatron informs them that Thrust will lead the next mission, with Starscream as his second. Demolishor protests on the basis that Megatron told him that he was the second in command, and Cyclonus adds to it that they don’t know what the plan is. Demolishor and Cyclonus protest further when told to simply follow orders, but Megatron will have none of it.

At the Autobot base, a Mini-Con alarm goes off. Red Alert is told to stay back, while the rest of the Autobots warp to the site.

At the site of the alarm, Cyclonus flies up to the others and notes that he destroyed the transmitter. Thrust orders Starscream to stand by with the Mini-Cons, and tells Megatron to hold onto the Star Saber for the time being.

The Autobots arrive at a gully; Optimus gives them marching orders and they all enter. Starscream radios back to Thrust that the Autobots are falling for the trap, and Thrust orders him not to attack just yet. Thrust then takes off with the Air Defense Team, telling Megatron to wait there.

As the Autobots enter the gully, they are attacked from the air. This drives them further into the gully, where they are ambushed by Demolishor and Sideways. Smokescreen takes cover behind the Skyboom Shield, while the others duck behind some rocks. Thrust, Starscream, and the Mini-Cons attack from above, with Thrust giving the order to focus on Smokescreen. Cyclonus joins in with Sideways and Demolishor, resulting in Optimus ordering the others to try and break through. Just as Optimus blows past the three Decepticons, however, he is stopped by Megatron. Scavenger sees that Optimus needs help and rushes to take over the Skyboom Shield from Smokescreen, only to have all of the Decepticons aside from Megatron start to concentrate their fire; Scavenger, Smokescreen, and the Shield are now pinned in place.

Megatron pulls out the Star Saber and tries to use it against Optimus. Optimus transforms into truck mode (minus his trailer) and races backwards into a clearing. Megatron follows Optimus, and berates him for his choice: he’s now even further away from the others. Optimus tries to fight Megatron, but Megatron overpowers Optimus and prepares to deliver the killing blow.

The kids, watching it on the monitor, start to panic. However, Red Alert sees a bright flash of light and tells them to keep calm.

That flash of light promptly shoots down the [[Air Military Mini-Con Team]] before revealing itself to be an armed space shuttle. It starts to dogfight with Starscream, and then both transform into robot mode; the shuttle identifies himself as [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], second in command of the Autobots. Jetfire then promptly shoots Starscream down before strafing the gully. This allows the other Autobots to move forward, blasting Sideways, Demolishor, and Cyclonus before jumping Megatron. Seeing that he is now outnumbered, Megatron orders everyone to retreat. Thrust protests the order, but after getting shot by Jetfire he also falls back.

Jetfire and the other Autobots share a moment as they finally meet back up. A voice over by Rad talks about how despite this being a quiet moment, the war was about to heat up and Jetfire would play an important role.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (2)
*[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] (19)
*[[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] (20)
*[[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] (21)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (22)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (23)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (29)
*[[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] (31)

|c2=
*[[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] (8)
*[[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (24)
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (25)
*[[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (26)
*[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] (27)
*[[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (28)

|c3=
*[[Alexis]] (3)
*[[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] (4)
*[[Carlos Lopez]] (5)
*[[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] (6)
*[[Rad White]] (7)

'''Guests'''
*Shuttle Astronauts (1)

|h4=[[Mini-Cons]]|c4=
*[[Terradive (Armada)|Terradive]] (9)
*[[Gunbarrel (Armada)|Gunbarrel]] (10)
*[[Thunderwing (Armada)|Thunderwing]] (11)
*[[Knock Out (Armada)|Knock Out]] (12)
*[[Sonar (Armada)|Sonar]] (13)
*[[Oval]] (14)
*[[Spiral]] (15)
*[[Backtrack (Armada)|Backtrack]] (16)
*[[Inferno (Armada)|Inferno]] (17)
*[[Fetch]] (18)
*[[Jetstorm (Armada)|Jetstorm]] (30)
*[[Runway]] (31)
*[[Liftor]] (32)
*[[Prowl (Armada)|Prowl]] (33)
*[[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (34)
*[[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (35)
*[[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (36)
}}

==Quotes==

"And if he does, we'll pound 'im!" 
"Pound 'im good!"
:—'''Billy''' and '''Fred''' on what they'll do to Sideways if he tries to hack them again.

"Oh, great, time to get shot at again. Why couldn't I have just been a normal 'bot working in a factory?"
:—'''Starscream'''

"I'm quite sure your plans are impeccable, Thrust, but my main concern is that my men aren't capable of following them."
:—'''Megatron''' has no faith in his troops.

"You better watch out, you better not cry, cause you're gonna get blasted!"
:—'''Cyclonus''' massacres the classics.

==Notes==
===Animation errors===
*When Starscream is firing on Optimus Prime, his lower legs are erroneously colored completely white; this clip is shown on the DVD’s episode preview.

*Prowl is erroneously colored entirely in green.

*When Optimus is shown fleeing from Megatron, the overhead shot of the clearing makes it look like Optimus is a box truck instead of just a normal semi.

*During the battle in the clearing, Optimus is shown as only being as tall as Megatron’s waist; just a few seconds earlier he stood as high as Megatron’s chest.

*When Smokescreen flips his crane into cannon mode to shoot Cyclonus, the end disappears as it swings into position.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*During the fight sequence in the canyon, Starscream comments that he doesn’t want to get shot at again; this seeming throw-away line will actually set the stage for what happens in the upcoming episodes.

*The screen is black for several seconds when the Mini-Con alarm first sounds, then goes to a shot of Rad, Carlos, and Alexis running down a hallway.

*Sideways' break-in occurred in "[[Chase (episode)|Chase]]", the previous episode.

*The furigana in the Japanese episode "ちえもの" could be read as "知恵者", although technically the kanji would be pronounced as "''chie'''sha'''''".

===Dubbing/continuity errors===
*One of the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team]] Mini-Cons is shown in the same room as the Air Military Mini-Cons and Inferno; this is a continuity error, as they were all revealed to be on Earth with Megatron. Though it could be just another example of model reuse.

*Knock Out is also seen in the Mini-Con closet, though he'd previously defected to the Autobots in "[[Vow]]". Again, this could just be a model reuse.

*The English dub has Optimus ordering Smokescreen to take point, with Hot Shot and Blurr staying together while Optimus and Scavenger take the lead. But when they actually enter the gully, it’s Hot Shot who has point; Smokescreen is in the rear, and the rest are in the middle.

*Cyclonus suddenly appears in helicopter mode alongside Sideways and Demolishor at the ambush point; no explanation is given of where he comes from. The shot where he first appears also shows something resembling a transmitter located beneath where he is hovering; this transmitter was absent in the shot of Sideways and Demolishor springing the ambush, and isn’t shown when Optimus tries to break through.

*Since when are the Autobots allowed to shoot down Mini-Cons, because Hot Shot sure does. In fact, he shoots down ''three''!

[[Category:Armada episodes]]

Drone Unit (Movie)

2009-08-15T20:39:07Z

206.253.51.107: /* Toys */

{{move|Drone (Movie)|Does sound QUITE a bit better}}
[[Image:Tf2007game_longarm-decepticon.jpg|thumb|200px|Three friggin versions of [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], and not one of me?]]
'''Drones''' are a type of non-[[spark]]ed transformer in the [[live-action film series]]

==Drone Types==

[[Image:Scrapper_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|No, I'm not [[Scrapper (ROTF)|that Scrapper!]] Or [[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]].]]
===[[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]] type===

Scrapper is the weakest of the drones, and ironically, the only one with melee weapons. His vehicle mode is a forkilft, and the forks turn into blades, which they use to bash Autobots or Decepticons. The Autobot type is red and has a faceplate and eyes, like all the drones. The Decepticon type is orange with a camera lens. They also have missile launchers built in their arms.
They are also the smallest drones, small enough that, in order to kill them, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] must lean all the way down. They are slightly shorter than Jazz, and even he has little trouble defeating them.

[[Image:Swindle_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|]]
===[[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] type===

Slightly taller than Scrapper and shorter than Dropkick, Swindle units transform into sports cars. They like to hang around Tranquility -- in the daytime they stay by themselves and hide in vehicle mode, waiting to ambush Bumblebee. In the middle of the night, they pair up, obviously because Optimus Prime would cut through one of them like sushi. In fact, he cuts through two of them like two pieces of sushi.
[[Image:Autobotdrone_mixnmatch.jpg|thumb|left|I'm red? Huh?]]
Their main weapon is their arm-mounted missile blaster, although their usual strategy is to pick up the nearest object (even their allies) and throw it at you.
Like all drones, the Autobots have faces, the Decepticons have lenses. The Decepticon drones are crimson red, while the Autobots are bright green.

[[Image:Dropkick_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|I'm not usually silver.]]
===[[Dropkick]] type===

The Dropkick drones are fairly powerfuld drones ---- stronger than [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindles]], but less powerful that [[Payload (Movie)|Class Beta Drones]]. Their usual attacks are tossing anything nearby at the Autobot (or Decepticon) they are fighting. They transform into pickups.
Powerful as they are, the Dropkicks are easily defeated, especially by the likes of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. [[Springer (G1)|It isn't hard to knock them down, it is getting them to stay down that's hard.]]

[[Image:Dreadwing_head.jpg|thumb|right|Hi.]]
===[[Class Alpha drone unit|Class Alpha]] type===

The Class Alpha Drones are similar to their leader, [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]], in many ways. Their main weapon is shooting fire out of their hands, which can be used to deadly effect. They are easily some of the most powerful units, and can easily defeat even [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. The Autobot versions are blue, and only appear to harass Starscream while he is in a military base. They transform into large jets.

[[Image:Payload_head.jpg|thumb|right|KABOOM, BABY!]]
===[[Class Beta drone unit|Class Beta]] type===
Class Beta drones are easily some of the most powerful of all drones. Their only attack is to charge straight at their enemies, ramming their shoulders into their enemy's gut and sending them flying.
[[Image:Payloads_Titan24.JPG|thumb|left|There are lots of me. Prime's in trouble.]]
They transform into SWAT Trucks, and are usually easy to spot in a crowd. Even Optimus cannot easily defeat them.

[[Image:Longarm_head.jpg|thumb|right|He probably doesn't defeat [[Ruination (ROTF)|Ruination]].]]
===[[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] type===
Longarms are slightly weaker than Payload drones, strong enough to defeat Bumblebee, Barricade, or Ironhide, but unable to stop Optimus or Megatron. In robot mode, they are slightly taller than Bumblebee or Ironhide, but much shorter than Optimus.

[[Image:Mixmaster_head.jpg|thumb|right|Like [[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]], I'm not that [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]. But I'm more like my ROTF counterpart than him.]]
===[[Mixmaster (Movie)|Mixmaster]] type===
Mixmaster units could be even more powerful than Payload, if that is possible. They transform into cement mixers, and cannot be stopped once they start moving. The only way to defeat them is to throw something at them, pick them up, and toss them high into the sky.

[[Image:Thundercracker_Titan10.jpg|thumb|right|Yeah...I'm not usually a drone]]
===[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] type===

We don't know much about the Thundercracker-type units, except for the fact that they only appear in a few issues of Titan Transformers. They appear to be modeled after the Movie Thundercracker toy. However, as Thundercracker has not appeared as a drone since then, it is possible that they only appear in the Titan alternate reality.

==Toys==

[[Image:Movie_Deluxe_Swindle_toy1.jpg|thumb|right]]
*'''Swindle''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dropkick''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Payload''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dreadwing''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Salvage''' (Deluxe, 2008)

*'''Thundercracker''' (Voyager, 2007)

==Trivia==
* Many of the drones do some stupid things during their existence. If fighting Bumblebee in the power plant, they tend to throw power generators, which proceeds to blow up everything -- including them.
* Some of the drones are references to other people. The Autobot Dropkicks are obviously Salvage, Scrappers kind of get a toy in the Revenge of the Fallen line as Dirt Boss, and the Autobot Dreadwings' blue color is used later in the Revenge of the Fallen Wii/PS2 games on the Autobot long-range warriors, which are essentialy blue Breakaways.
==See also==
* [[Class Alpha drone unit]]
* [[Class Beta drone unit]]

[[Category: Live-action film series]]

Drone Unit (Movie)

2009-08-15T20:38:16Z

206.253.51.107: /* Drone Types */

{{move|Drone (Movie)|Does sound QUITE a bit better}}
[[Image:Tf2007game_longarm-decepticon.jpg|thumb|200px|Three friggin versions of [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], and not one of me?]]
'''Drones''' are a type of non-[[spark]]ed transformer in the [[live-action film series]]

==Drone Types==

[[Image:Scrapper_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|No, I'm not [[Scrapper (ROTF)|that Scrapper!]] Or [[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]].]]
===[[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]] type===

Scrapper is the weakest of the drones, and ironically, the only one with melee weapons. His vehicle mode is a forkilft, and the forks turn into blades, which they use to bash Autobots or Decepticons. The Autobot type is red and has a faceplate and eyes, like all the drones. The Decepticon type is orange with a camera lens. They also have missile launchers built in their arms.
They are also the smallest drones, small enough that, in order to kill them, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] must lean all the way down. They are slightly shorter than Jazz, and even he has little trouble defeating them.

[[Image:Swindle_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|]]
===[[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] type===

Slightly taller than Scrapper and shorter than Dropkick, Swindle units transform into sports cars. They like to hang around Tranquility -- in the daytime they stay by themselves and hide in vehicle mode, waiting to ambush Bumblebee. In the middle of the night, they pair up, obviously because Optimus Prime would cut through one of them like sushi. In fact, he cuts through two of them like two pieces of sushi.
[[Image:Autobotdrone_mixnmatch.jpg|thumb|left|I'm red? Huh?]]
Their main weapon is their arm-mounted missile blaster, although their usual strategy is to pick up the nearest object (even their allies) and throw it at you.
Like all drones, the Autobots have faces, the Decepticons have lenses. The Decepticon drones are crimson red, while the Autobots are bright green.

[[Image:Dropkick_head.jpg|thumb|150px|right|I'm not usually silver.]]
===[[Dropkick]] type===

The Dropkick drones are fairly powerfuld drones ---- stronger than [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindles]], but less powerful that [[Payload (Movie)|Class Beta Drones]]. Their usual attacks are tossing anything nearby at the Autobot (or Decepticon) they are fighting. They transform into pickups.
Powerful as they are, the Dropkicks are easily defeated, especially by the likes of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. [[Springer (G1)|It isn't hard to knock them down, it is getting them to stay down that's hard.]]

[[Image:Dreadwing_head.jpg|thumb|right|Hi.]]
===[[Class Alpha drone unit|Class Alpha]] type===

The Class Alpha Drones are similar to their leader, [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]], in many ways. Their main weapon is shooting fire out of their hands, which can be used to deadly effect. They are easily some of the most powerful units, and can easily defeat even [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. The Autobot versions are blue, and only appear to harass Starscream while he is in a military base. They transform into large jets.

[[Image:Payload_head.jpg|thumb|right|KABOOM, BABY!]]
===[[Class Beta drone unit|Class Beta]] type===
Class Beta drones are easily some of the most powerful of all drones. Their only attack is to charge straight at their enemies, ramming their shoulders into their enemy's gut and sending them flying.
[[Image:Payloads_Titan24.JPG|thumb|left|There are lots of me. Prime's in trouble.]]
They transform into SWAT Trucks, and are usually easy to spot in a crowd. Even Optimus cannot easily defeat them.

[[Image:Longarm_head.jpg|thumb|right|He probably doesn't defeat [[Ruination (ROTF)|Ruination]].]]
===[[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] type===
Longarms are slightly weaker than Payload drones, strong enough to defeat Bumblebee, Barricade, or Ironhide, but unable to stop Optimus or Megatron. In robot mode, they are slightly taller than Bumblebee or Ironhide, but much shorter than Optimus.

[[Image:Mixmaster_head.jpg|thumb|right|Like [[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]], I'm not that [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]. But I'm more like my ROTF counterpart than him.]]
===[[Mixmaster (Movie)|Mixmaster]] type===
Mixmaster units could be even more powerful than Payload, if that is possible. They transform into cement mixers, and cannot be stopped once they start moving. The only way to defeat them is to throw something at them, pick them up, and toss them high into the sky.

[[Image:Thundercracker_Titan10.jpg|thumb|right|Yeah...I'm not usually a drone]]
===[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] type===

We don't know much about the Thundercracker-type units, except for the fact that they only appear in a few issues of Titan Transformers. They appear to be modeled after the Movie Thundercracker toy. However, as Thundercracker has not appeared as a drone since then, it is possible that they only appear in the Titan alternate reality.

==Toys==

[[Image:Movie_Deluxe_Swindle_toy1.jpg|thumb|right]]
*'''Swindle''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dropkick''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Payload''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dreadwing''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Salvage''' (Deluxe, 2008)

==Trivia==
* Many of the drones do some stupid things during their existence. If fighting Bumblebee in the power plant, they tend to throw power generators, which proceeds to blow up everything -- including them.
* Some of the drones are references to other people. The Autobot Dropkicks are obviously Salvage, Scrappers kind of get a toy in the Revenge of the Fallen line as Dirt Boss, and the Autobot Dreadwings' blue color is used later in the Revenge of the Fallen Wii/PS2 games on the Autobot long-range warriors, which are essentialy blue Breakaways.
==See also==
* [[Class Alpha drone unit]]
* [[Class Beta drone unit]]

[[Category: Live-action film series]]

Drone Unit (Movie)

2009-08-15T20:13:39Z

206.253.51.107: /* Dropkick type */

Talk:Street Action Mini-Con Team

2009-08-08T02:59:11Z

206.253.51.107:

Who is this disambig'd against? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:It looks like it was originally going to be disambiguated with "Street Action Mini-Con Team (Universe)", but the Universe release just turned out to be the Armada guys again? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:05, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

::That makesene--t ne point we had Tankor as a seperate article, then we decided not. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:07, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''Universe'' Street Action Mini-Cons are evil dudes, and they have their own pages ([[Grindor (Universe)]], [[Perceptor (Universe)]], etc.). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:13, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::In fact, I'd say they're SG versons!--[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 22:59, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

Alliance

2009-07-25T23:49:03Z

206.253.51.107: /* Animation and/or technical glitches.*/ It's just in shadow.

{{disambig2|the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] episode|the [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] series|Alliance (comic)}}

{{episode|
|series=Armada
|series2=Micron Legend
|ep=49
|prev=Cramp
|next=Union
|title=Alliance
|japanese=覚醒 (ゆにくろん) - alliance
|romaji=Kakusei [Unicron]
|translation=Awakening
|image=Alliance.JPG
|caption=
|production code=TF: A-49
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Isao Shizuya]]
|director=[[Masayuki Motsumoto]]
|animation studio=[[Actas]]
|airdate=[[September 30]], 2003 (UK) [[December 9]], 2003 (US) [[December 5|5 December]] 2003 (Japan)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''Starscream's sacrifice spurs the Autobots and the Decepticons to join forces. However, Unicron awakens.'''

==Detailed Synopsis==
[[Image:Sshot-arm-494-remains.jpg|left|175px|thumb|You failed, your highness. I'm a Jedi, like my father before me...yeah...]]
Demolishor is astonished to hear about the truce between the two armies and asks if Galvatron is functioning. Cyclonus is disgusted that they're doing this simply because the traitorous [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] asked that they do it, but then suggests that they simply use the idea of a truce to ambush the Autobots. At that point, Galvatron makes Cyclonus respect his authority with the usual amount of physical punishment. Galvatron is upset at how poorly things have turned out, but Starscream's sacrifice has convinced him: they're going to ally with the Autobots...for now. Afterwards, all bets are off.

[[Image:Sshot-arm-491-ships.jpg|right|175px|thumb|Not all Autobot spaceships know how to swim.]]
Inside of Unicron, Thrust and Sideways plan their inevitable victory and conquest of the universe. The power of the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] allows Unicron to shed the remains of his moon-disguise shell. The dark god hovers over [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], sucking up parts of the terrain. Both armies evacuate the surface, assisted by the [[Mini-Con]] swarm.

[[Image:Sshot-arm-492-decepts.jpg|left|175px|thumb|Galvatron...Emperor Palpatine...What's the difference?]]
In a ceremonial procedure, Galvatron and his men meet for a handshake to seal the truce. The leaders shake hands, and Perceptor also grabs on as his way of representing the allegiance of the Mini-Cons. The kids observe this, astonished that it's actually happening. Alexis begins to tear up and when Carlos asks her if she's all right, she says she was just remembering Starscream and how he would have loved to see this happening for himself. Forming a single front, the [[Armada (franchise)|armada]] heads towards Unicron. The first volley of fire does no damage against their enemy. Two larger ships perform reconnaissance and are blasted, so a team of Hot Shot, Side Swipe, Demolishor, and Cyclonus (and some others) are sent in, based on a [[Star Wars|vaguely familiar]] theory that smaller ships will elude Unicron's detection. On Unicron's surface, Cyclonus and the generics fly away to break stuff, and Demolishor leaves to avoid Hot Shot, leaving the two Autobots by themselves.

[[Image:Sshot-arm-492-redshirts.jpg|right|175px|thumb|Balls of DOOOOM!!!!]]
Unicron's geography shifts and folds, disturbing his visitors and causing Demolishor to lose Blackout. From the base, Galvatron suggests another attack, which Optimus makes sure won't harm the recon crew, who have their hands full fighting against swarms of [[Dead End Drone|Dead End Drones]]. Demolishor saves Cyclonus from falling into a fissure, while the Autobots assist their begrudging allies. Demolishor saves Side Swipe from falling into another fissure, and Hot Shot thanks the Decepticon by re-uniting Demolishor with Blackout—a tender moment. Optimus and Galvatron arrive to bring the group home.

From a distance, the armada witnesses Unicron complete his transformation into robot mode, ready to devour the planet.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] (17)
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] (18)
* [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] (19)
* [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Hoist]] (20)
* [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] (27)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (28)
* [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (29)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (31)

|c2=
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (2)
* [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] (3)
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (4)
* [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] (5)
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (6)

|c3=
* [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] (9)
* [[Rad White|Rad]] (13)
* [[Alexis]] (14)
* [[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] (15)
* [[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] (16)

|h4=[[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]]|c4=
* [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (10)
* [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] (11)
* [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (12)
* [[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]] (21)
* [[Inferno (Armada)|Inferno]] (22)
* [[Gunbarrel (Armada)|Gunbarrel]] (23)
* [[Terradive (Armada)|Terradive]] (24)
* [[Thunderwing (Armada)|Thunderwing]] (25)
* [[Drill Bit (Armada)|Drill Bit]] (26)
* [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]] (30)
* [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]] (32)

|h5=Other|c5=
* [[Unicron]] (1)
* [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] (7)
* [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] (8)
* [[Dead End Drone|Dead End Drones]] (33)
}}

==Quotes==
"Right now, all I can think about is the comrade we lost. Sure, he challenged my authority in a failed coup attempt, and even though Starscream was a traitor, he never lost sight of his oath to the Decepticons. He was a true soldier, unlike most of ''you''!"
:—'''Galvatron''' defends Starscream's memory from the jibes of the other Decepticons.

'''Billy:''' "I don't like this, Fred." 
'''Fred:''' "And I wish I went to the bathroom!" 
'''Rad:''' "You know, guys, I'd never thought I'd see this happen. The two of them shaking hands, just standing here in front of the Decepticons. Watching this is like some kind of weird dream." 
'''Carlos:''' "Hey, are you all right, Alexis?" 
'''Alexis:''' "Yeah, I was just thinking about Starscream. You know, he sure would have loved to see all this happen between them. After all, it was kind of his last request." 
'''Rad:''' "Well, I got a feeling he knows."
:—The kids compare reactions on the Autobot/Decepticon truce.

'''Demolishor:''' "I'm only doing this because I'm following Galvatron's orders." 
'''Cyclonus:''' "Ha! I can't believe I'm fighting for harmony! What a load of bunk! I'm a lean, mean, fighting machine! Hahahaha!" 
'''Side Swipe:''' "I gotta work with this guy? I'm not so sure about this."
:—The truce gets off to a shaky start.

"Tidal Wave..." 
"Uh...nice meetin' ya."
:—'''Tidal Wave''' and '''Jetfire''' shaking hands.

"I can't believe I just saved Prime!"
:—An incredulous '''Galvatron''' after he destroys a cannon targeted at Optimus Prime.

==Other Notes==
*This is one of the most inconsistently animated episodes of the series. While the majority of the episode is of below-par in animation quality, several "showcase" sequences, such as Hot Shot helping Hoist board the ''Axalon'', and Unicron's very detailed transformation sequence, are very well drawn and animated.

===Animation and/or technical glitches===
* Several Mini-Cons are standing in the hangar bay of Megatron's flagship after the Decepticons run inside to escape from Unicron's gravitational pull, and they are the size of normal Transformers.

* The [[Race Mini-Con Team|Race Team]] Mini-Con Mirage appears among the Mini-Cons there, but he should be with Thrust inside Unicron by now, as the traitorous Decepticon had stolen the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]] several episodes earlier.

*Several of the Mini-Cons protecting the ''Axalon'' and the Autobot fleet during the lift-off from Cybertron use ''Generation 1'' character models instead of Mini-Con character models.

*The four generic Decepticons on the mission to Unicron change colour depending on the shot.

*When Jet Optimus attacks the Dead End drones surrounding Hot Shot and Demolishor's recon team, the laser blast comes from in front of the first drone destroyed, rather than behind (the direction from which Prime is coming).

===Continuity errors===
* Cyclonus is in danger of falling into a hole, having apparently forgotten that ''he can fly'', which he was doing ''moments before''. It's possible that he's just that stupid, but not likely.

===Transformers references===
* Several parts of Unicron's transformation sequence are clearly a visual homage to his transformation in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original ''Transformers'' movie]].

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Various cameos appear in the hand-shaking scene, including [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and a palette-swapped [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] of the [[Stunticon|Stunticons]].

* The generic Decepticons sent to Unicron to assist the named characters have ''Generation 1'' character models in radically different color schemes (such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]]). They totally [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_%28character%29 all died.]

*Assuming the episode was entirely in real-time, Unicron's transformation took close to seven minutes.

* Yes, the combined army of Autobots, Decepticons, and Mini-Cons is what the "Armada" in the title of the series stands for.

[[Category:Armada episodes]]

Drone Unit (Movie)

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Drone Unit (Movie)

2009-07-19T17:31:28Z

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[[Image:Tf2007game_longarm-decepticon.jpg|thumb|250px|Three friggin versions of [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], and not one of me?]]
'''Drones''' are a type of non-[[spark]]ed transformer in the [[live-action film series]]

==Drone Types==

===[[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]] type===

[[Image:Scrapper_head.jpg|thumb|right]]

Scrapper is the weakest of the drones, and ironically, the only one with melee weapons. His vehicle mode is a forkilft, and the forks turn into blades, which they use to bash Autobots or Decepticons. The Autobot type is red and has a faceplate and eyes, like all the drones. The Decepticon type is orange with a camera lens. They also have missile launchers built in their arms.
They are also the smallest drones, small enough that, in order to kill them, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] must lean all the way down. They are slightly shorter than Jazz, and even he has little trouble defeating them.

===[[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] type===

[[Image:Swindle_head.jpg|thumb|right|]]

Slightly taller than Scrapper and shorter than Dropkick, Swindle units transform into sports cars. They like to hang around Tranquility -- in the daytime they stay by themselves and hide in vehicle mode, waiting to ambush Bumblebee. In the middle of the night, they pair up, obviously because Optimus Prime would cut through one of them like sushi. In fact, he cuts through two of them like two pieces of sushi. Their main weapon is their arm-mounted missile blaster, although their usual strategy is to pick up the nearest object (even their allies) and throw it at you.
Like all drones, the Autobots have faces, the Decepticons have lenses. The Decepticon drones are crimson red, while the Autobots are bright green.

===[[Dropkick]] type===

[[Image:Dropkick_head.jpg|thumb|right|]]

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==Toys==

*'''Swindle''' (Deluxe, 2007)

[[Image:Movie_Deluxe_Swindle_toy1.jpg|thumb|right]]

*'''Dropkick''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Payload''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Dreadwing''' (Deluxe, 2007)

*'''Salvage''' (Deluxe, 2008)

==Trivia==
* Many of the drones do some stupid things during their existence. If fighting Bumblebee in the power plant, they tend to throw power generators, which proceeds to blow up everything -- including them.
* Some of the drones are references to other people. The Autobot Dropkicks are obviously Salvage, Scrappers kind of get a toy in the Revenge of the Fallen line as Dirt Boss, and the Autobot Dreadwings' blue color is used later in the Revenge of the Fallen Wii/PS2 games on the Autobot long-range warriors, which are essentialy blue Breakaways.
==See also==
* [[Class Alpha drone unit]]
* [[Class Beta drone unit]]

[[Category: Live-action film series]]

Seeker Sniper

2009-07-18T04:25:36Z

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:''Seeker Sniper is a mass-produced [[Decepticon]] bodyform from the [[Battle for the Allspark v2]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

Seeker Snipers are Decepticon jets colored like [[Skywarp (ROTF)|some Decepticon]].

[[Image:Seeker Sniper.JPG|thumb|right|300px|Let's hope they're braver than [[Skywarp (Animated)|the last mass-produced, purple and black seeker.]]]]
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==Fiction==

===Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: the Game (PS3/X-Box 360)===

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===Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: the Game (PS2/Wii)===

In the Revenge of the Fallen Wii game, Seekers appear as silver Decepticon planes. In this game, they are called Decepticon Long-Range Warriors. Their arm blasters fire red balls of plasma, similar to their Autobot counterparts' blue balls.

When Optimus dropped into Shanghai (literally), Long-Range Warriors were the first to fight back. Obviously, it ended quite disastrously, with Optimus shooting a ton of them, and cutting the last three in half at the waist. They later attacked Ironhide, who was attacking Demolishor, and Bumblebee, who was chasing Sideways.

More of them stayed in the Decepticon base and guarded Bumblebee's cell, but [[Jetfire (ROTF)|a traitor]] set the Autobot free. They assailed Bumblebee the whole time he was working his way through the base.

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[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Mass-produced Transformers]]
[[Category:Seekers]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Video game-only characters]]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-18T04:16:12Z

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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-18T04:15:01Z

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Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-18T04:10:39Z

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Maximum Dinobots issue 2

2009-07-08T15:18:31Z

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{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Maximum Dinobots|''The Transformers: Maximum Dinobots'']] #2
|prev=Maximum Dinobots issue 1
|next=Maximum Dinobots issue 3
|image=MaximumDinobots 2b.jpg
|caption=It is now believed ''Triceratops'' saw more action against other members of its kind than against ''T. rex''. Slag clearly disagrees.
|publisher=IDW Publishing
|date=[[January 7]], [[2009]]
|coverdate=January 2009
|written by=[[Simon Furman]]
|art by=[[Nick Roche]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|edits by=[[Denton J. Tipton]]
|continuity=[[IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline#Maximum Dinobots|Maximum Dinobots]]
}}
'''Hot Rod joins Grimlock in finding out just how much worse it can get.'''

== Synopsis ==
A badly battered Hot Rod is hurled against a wall by Scorponok, who gloats that he is merely playing with the young warrior as he wants him alive to witness his plan unfold. After crippling Hot Rod, Scorponok has his clones take him to an observation room showing him the situation in [[Fallon]]. The police have opened fire on Grimlock but all they've done is enrage him. After demolishing the immediate area, Grimlock calls out to Scorponok, letting him know he's fully aware of exactly what's going on. Transforming he tells Scorponok to [[Robert Epps|bring it]]! Scorponok muses, reminding himself of the mind lurking beneath Grimlock's bestial nature. After a brief bit of explanation to Hot Rod, Scorponok sits back to enjoy the show as the Dynobots are released onto the field.

Near [[Nashville]], Sunstreaker is flooring it, heading for [[Dallas]]. Hunter thinks they should head for Fallon instead, but Sunstreaker points out that by retrieving his head, they disable the Headmasters, which makes everything else just collateral damage.

Grimlock is ready for a fight. What he isn't ready for is the Dynobots bursting through some nearby buildings. Scorponok loosens his hold on them slightly to let a bit of their savage nature shine through, as Grimlock realizes they are no longer in control of their own actions. Meanwhile, police are prevented from calling in help thanks to [[Skywatch]]'s blockade. Agent Red is updated on the fight, including the drop in the efficiency of the neural net. Understanding that something more is going on, he boards a chopper, ready to do something he should have done the moment they lost Grimlock.

Back in Fallon, Grimlock is trying to get through to his team as they slam him into a nearby building. Breaking free, he quickly takes out Snarl, Sludge and Swoop, but when he tries to get to Slag, he is blasted straight into a petrol station, which promptly explodes, knocking all five Dynobots flying. As the police check to make sure everyone is evacuated, Scorponok revels in the destruction, to Hot Rod's disappointment. Scorponok however, thinks it is a ploy to get him to tell all, a wasted one as he meant to anyway. He plans to place the blame on Skywatch, while using the Dynobots to take out Grimlock, and then using the Headmasters to take out the Dynobots. His team will be regarded as heroes, he will get government contracts in order to protect against aliens, and from there on, there's no stopping him.

In [[New Zealand]], a ship touches down near the ''[[Skyfire (ship)|Skyfire]]''. The [[Monsterbot|occupants]] are looking for Grimlock, and intend to track him down.

Scorponok is intrigued by Grimlock's admittance of guilt and reduces his hold on the Dynobots enough for their personalities to surface. Meanwhile, Grimlock has recovered from the blast and detects a human caught in the fire. Transforming, he grudgingly goes to help, when Slag and company, now transformed, reappear and demand the truth. Grimlock tells them of his endgame move, but says it was something any of them would have done—Dynobots may be down, but never out. Slag agrees but says that by going behind their backs, Grimlock assured they ceased to be a team. Grimlock points out that Slag usually went out of his way to stress they were never a real team, that they followed no one's rules or conventions but their own, and that what Grimlock had done had been "them", all over. He proceeds to rip the rail car diner with the human trapped inside from the ground and takes it to safety. Amused, Scorponok sends in his Headmasters.

At [[Salt Lake City]], Agent Red decides to have a heart to heart with the last of the Eureka Six: Shockwave!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (1)
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (4)
* [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (5)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (6)
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (8)
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (9)
* [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (10)
* [[Repugnus (G1)|Repugnus]] (12)
* [[Doublecross]] (13)
* [[Grotusque]] (14)

|c2=
* [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (2)
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (15)
|c3=
* [[Hunter O'Nion]] (7)
* [[Joshua Red]] (11)
|c4=
* [[Sunstreaker clone]]s (3)
}}

==Quotes==
"It's easy to forget that behind Grimlock's angry white noise lurks a brain. '''He understands'''. 
"Which is more than '''I''' can say. What '''is''' the Machination? 
"It is the culmination of a plan conceived long ago and far away. On a planet called [[Nebulos]], if you're interested." 
"I'm not." 
"Hn."
:—'''Scorponok''' gets cruelly denied the chance to Bad Guy Monologue by '''Hot Rod'''

"Tell me something. If all hell's about to break loose in Fallon, why are we headed to '''Dallas'''? Shouldn't we be '''doing''' something about these Dinobots?" 
"It's Dynobots. D-Y-" 
"Dinobots. Like dinosaurs. You see that, right? Work with me here, Sunstreaker."
:—'''Hunter''' and '''Sunstreaker''' discuss the finer points of helping the audience keep all of the alternate spellings straight

"Remember when we first hit on the idea of the Dynobots, you and I? You said there's only one rule: there ''are'' no rules! No conventions, no precedents, no company line. What [[Spotlight: Shockwave|I ''did'']], in the final analysis, was so completely and utterly "us"." 
:—'''Grimlock''' justifies orbit-nuking his mates

"Now if you'll ''excuse'' me, I feel curiously ''obligated'' to put this lackluster lifeform out of harm's way." 
:—'''Grimlock''', not quite feeling like himself.

== Errors ==
* A Fallon resident on Furman's blog has said that the real town looks nothing like it does here. But he also encourages Furman to smash the town up more because it's a "craphole", so never mind! <ref>http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2009/01/08/max-load/#comment-4062 "WeeklyHero": "...but being a citizen of Fallon, NV, I gotta say it looks nothing liek ''[sic]'' the comic does. Which is a shame because I’d rather have the big parks there. So destroy the town, I’m glad to see it get the recognition that craphole deserves."</ref>
* Grimlock and Slag met in a brig during the war... while being team-mates years before in illegal gladiatorial matches. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

== Items of note ==
* The Dinobots' more realistic dinosaur forms, and the resulting look of their robot modes, is a deliberate attempt by Nick Roche to give them a [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]] aesthetic.<ref>http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5196&start=237#117726 Nick Roche: "Back when they reformatted themselves for Earth combat in Spotlight: Shockwave, the script that Simon left on my doorsteo ''[sic]'' (aflame, and smeared in what I hope was animal excrement) said to reimagine the Dinobots as if they were Beast Wars characters. So rather than just apply this aesthetic to their alt-modes, I utilised it across the board, and gave them robot modes that were less G1, and more Beast Era."</ref>
* Based on Joshua Red's dialogue, Shockwave has been online for some time...
* Hunter's conversation with Sunstreaker about the spelling of "Dinobots" (quoted above) would make no sense spoken aloud. Perhaps their mental link accounts for this, but that would mean that Hunter spells his words as he says them. He ''is'' a strange guy.
:*Or maybe Dynobots is said 'Deenobots'.
::*Something similar happened in the first issue of the original comic. Sparkplug says 'Auto-bots', and then Bumblebee corrects him that it is 'Autobot'.
* This issue was delayed in many markets, finally arriving on February 25, a week ''after'' issue 3.

===Covers (3)===
* '''Cover A:''' The Dynobots walking away from a dejected-looking Grimlock, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Josh Burcham]]
* '''Cover B:''' Grimlock fighting with Slag, by [[Marcelo Matere]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]]
* '''Cover RI:''' Inks-only and text-free version of cover A
<gallery>
Image:Maximum_Dinobots_2a.jpg|Me, Grimlock am lonely
Image:MaximumDinobots_2b.jpg|Slag warms Grimlock's heart
Image:MaximumDinobots 2ri.jpg|RI cover
</gallery>

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* ''Angel: Smile Time''
* ''Classic G.I. Joe'' Volume One
* ''Ghost Whisperer: The Muse''
* ''Angora Napkin''
* ''Star Trek: Countdown''
* ''[[Alliance issue 1|Transformers: Alliance #1]]''
* ''[[Defiance issue 1|Transformers: Defiance #1]]'' (back cover)

==References==
{{Reflist|2}}

==External Links==
* [http://gs100.photobucket.com/groups/m26/GU5E99BGYG/ Nick Roche's gallery of the inks-only pages]

[[Category:IDW Generation 1 issues]]

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-04T21:47:20Z

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{{cleanup|July 2009|This is clearly not up to our standards}}

The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay.

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[ Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent sattelite is just floating around, but an [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[N.E.S.T.]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

'''Chapter 1: Optimus invades'''

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a N.E.S.T. gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the N.E.S.T. gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

'''Chapter 2: Ironhide vs. Demolishor'''

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== Featured Characters==

===Playable Autobots===

*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]

===Playable Decepticons===

*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]

===Enemies===

'''Autobots'''

* Autobot ranged Warrior
* Autobot ranged Lieutenant
* Autobot ranged Captain
* Autobot melee Warrior
* Autobot melee Lieutenant
* Autobot melee Captain

'''Decepticons'''

* Decepticon ranged Warrior
* Decepticon ranged Lieutenant
* Decepticon ranged Captain
* Decepticon melee Warrior
* Decepticon melee Lieutenant
* Decepticon melee Captain

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].
* While on the first game, cars (and humans) seemed nearly invincible until you shot them, in this game, if you so much as ''step on'' a car, it ''explodes''.
===Differences with the Movie===

Krome was clearly writing the game on a different planet than the Movie's script.

* Devastator is killed near the beginning, in Shanghai, and by Optimus.
* Sideways doesn't die in Shanghai.
* Ironhide, rather than Optimus, kills Demolishor.
* Instead of the forest, Megatron wounds Optimus in the Decepticon base.
* The Fallen appears to be in total command of the Decepticons even before Megatron revives, as he is the one calling the shots.
* Sam and Mikaela ''aren't even in the game!''

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-04T21:20:19Z

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I'll get started on this tomorrow, since that's when I'm getting the game --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 00:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:Why in the bloody hell is this article under Wii when it also covers the PS2 version? And why the hell are our staff asleep at the wheel? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:16, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
::The PS2 and Wii versions are basically the same thing, except you wave the remote around in the Wii one, so there's no reason to have a separate article for them. This should be renamed to something like Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (PS2/Wii) though. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:07, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
:::WRONG!!! Graphics are different. Playable characters are different. You don't even TRANSFORM over half of the time! This is ''not''. The same. Game. In fact, it is more similar to the [[Transformers Animated: The Game]] than the X-Box 360 and other console versions! Remember how Bumblebee can bounce from wall to wall on Animated? It happens here. Does that happen on the 360 version? NO. Another notable thing is that on this ''you don't climb walls the same way you do on the 360 game''. You don't even really climb walls. Just bounce. Remember, this game was developed by Krome, not...the other guys whose names slip my mind. My point is...DO NOT MERGE. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 17:09, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Psst. Calm down. He was saying that the PS2 and Wii games are the same thing as ''each other'', not the same thing as the 360 and PS3 game. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:13, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Sorry.--[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 17:20, 4 July 2009 (EDT)
I've been skimming the game guide- and it looks like this thing has a completely different enemy set than the 360/PS3 one.

Fortunately, it looks like one of the unlockable achievements is pictures or rotatable models of all the bad guys. Yay! so if anyone planing the game can, er... snap those? It'd be awesome. (Also I'm curious about the nature o the artifact Megatron steals in Russia.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:18, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-04T21:16:56Z

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{{cleanup|July 2009|This is clearly not up to our standards}}

The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay.

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[ Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent sattelite is just floating around, but an [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[N.E.S.T.]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

'''Chapter 1: Optimus invades'''

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a N.E.S.T. gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the N.E.S.T. gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

'''Chapter 2: Ironhide vs. Demolishor'''

{{stub}}

== Featured Characters==

{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable Characters|c1=
'''Autobots'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''Decepticons'''
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
}}

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].
* While on the first game, cars (and humans) seemed nearly invincible until you shot them, in this game, if you so much as ''step on'' a car, it ''explodes''.
===Differences with the Movie===

Krome was clearly writing the game on a different planet than the Movie's script.

* Devastator is killed near the beginning, in Shanghai, and by Optimus.
* Sideways doesn't die in Shanghai.
* Ironhide, rather than Optimus, kills Demolishor.
* Instead of the forest, Megatron wounds Optimus in the Decepticon base.
* The Fallen appears to be in total command of the Decepticons even before Megatron revives, as he is the one calling the shots.
* Sam and Mikaela ''aren't even in the game!''

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-04T21:11:11Z

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{{merge|Revenge of the Fallen The Game (console)|Aren't the PS2 and Wii consoles?}}

{{cleanup|July 2009|This is clearly not up to our standards}}

The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay.

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[ Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent sattelite is just floating around, but an [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[N.E.S.T.]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

'''Chapter 1: Optimus invades'''

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a N.E.S.T. gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the N.E.S.T. gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

'''Chapter 2: Ironhide vs. Demolishor'''

{{stub}}

== Featured Characters==

{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable Characters|c1=
'''Autobots'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''Decepticons'''
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
}}

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-04T21:09:42Z

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Robot Powered Machines

2009-07-04T15:27:02Z

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{{disambigr|Mini-Vehicle|small G1 Autobots|Mini Vehicle}}
{{disambigr|Battle Charger|the auto-transforming duo of G1 Decepticons|Battlecharger}}

'''Robot Powered Machines''', or "'''R.P.M.'''"s, are a multifaceted line of nonstandard action toys within the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toyline. It includes a few different sublines that accomplish different things, but all of them are biased heavily towards the vehicle mode.

==Radio Controlled==
[[Image:ROTF RPMradiocontrol OptimusPrime.jpg|right|200px|thumb|]]
Each Radio Controlled R.P.M. comes with a vehicle and a handheld RC controller with dual joysticks.
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
{{-}}
==Battle Chargers==
[[Image:ROTFSideswipe BattleChargers 2009.jpg|right|100px|thumb|The funny part? This almost looks better than the original [[Battlechargers]].]]
Each Battle Charger is a superdeformed vehicle that, when pulled back, will dash forward. This will cause the roof of the vehicle to flip up, revealing a robot mode.
*Bumblebee
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
*Optimus Prime
*Stealth Bumblebee
{{-}}

==Mini-Vehicles==
[[Image:ROTFtoy-SkidsRPM.jpg|right|175px|thumb|]]
[[Image:ROTF RPM Devastator Showdown Playset.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This thing will also kick the crap out of your [[Spy Changers]].]]
Each Mini-Vehicle is a Hot Wheels-styled car with a sculpted image of the robot mode on the bottom of the vehicle. They come in single packs or versus sets, and the packaging has a window in the back so customers can see the robot mode. Also available is a track playset compatible with Mini-Vehicles, featuring [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]].

===Battle Series===
*01 of 08: Bumblebee vs [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*02 of 08: [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] vs [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]
*03 of 08: Optimus Prime vs [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*04 of 08: [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] vs [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]
*05 of 08: [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]] (black redeco) vs [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*06 of 08: [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]] vs [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
*07 of 08: [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (NEST redeco) vs. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*08 of 08: [[Rollbar (ROTF)|Rollbar]] vs. [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]

===Combat Series===
*01 of 04: Autobot Ratchet
*02 of 04: Megatron
*03 of 04: Ironhide
*04 of 04: [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]

===Speed Series===
*01 of 04: [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
*02 of 04: Bumblebee (2009 Camaro with standard head)
*03 of 04: [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
*04 of 04: Sideswipe

===Commander Series===
*01 of 04: Optimus Prime
*02 of 04: Bumblebee (Concept Camaro with battle mask)
*03 of 04: Barricade
*04 of 04: [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]

===Track Set===
*'''Devastator Showdown'''
:Includes Autobot Skids Mini-Vehicle

[[Category:Toys]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Thrust (Movie)

2009-07-04T04:54:47Z

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''Thrust is a Decepticon in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] continuity''

Thrust, otherwise know as '''long-range Decepticon lieutenants''', is in charge of the lighter long-range Decepticons. He was first seen battling [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] above Shanghai.

== Fiction ==

===Revenge of the Fallen: the game===

As Optimus fell out of a large cargo plane, Thrust (or another lieutenant like him) fought Optimus, only to be blown to pieces. More of them later assaulted [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] in the Decepticon base.

== Trivia ==

* Why do we call him Thrust? He is a reddish plane, and has a [[Conehead]], which is obviously a referrence to the [[Thrust (G1)|original Thrust]].

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-04T04:45:54Z

206.253.51.107: New page: The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay. == Story == With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]...

The Revenge of the Fallen Wii and PS2 games are considerably different than the X-Box 360 and PS3 versions, even using different gameplay.

== Story ==

With [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] destroyed, [[ Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots have begun fighting off the remaining Decepticons. However, Starscream and [[The Fallen|his master]] are not going down without a fight...

In space, an innocent sattelite is just floating around, but an [[Soundwave (ROTF)|mysterious, alien satellite]] docks with it. Quickly, Soundwave locates a [[N.E.S.T.]] convoy, and orders [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] and [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] to intercept. Sideways steals the convoy's cargo, while Demolishor causes destruction.

Meanwhile, the Decepticons have taken control of a N.E.S.T. gun and are firing at planes. Two Autobot fighter jets go down, but before the [[Stratosphere|large transport plane]] explodes, Optimus Prime leaps out. As he falls toward Shanghai, Decepticon [[Seeker Sniper|Long-range warriors]] intercept. While Optimus is firing at them with his [[Ion blaster|light weapons]], the N.E.S.T. gun continues firing at ''him''. And on top of all that, ground based Decepticons are firing huge missiles. When Prime defeats the warriors, a [[Thrust (ROTF)|Long-range lieutenant]] takes him on. When he defeats the lieutenant, three more warriors come at him. He cuts one in half, and quickly dispatches of the other two. He then lands and orders the Autobots to report. Bumblebee is chasing Sideways, and Ironhide is on Demolishor's tail.

{{stub}}

== Featured Characters==

{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable Characters|c1=
'''Autobots'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''Decepticons'''
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
}}

== Notes ==

* You are unable to transform in robot missions, but able to transform in driving missions, and can [[Bumblebee (Animated)|jump from wall to wall]]. [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Sounds kind of familiar]].

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)

2009-07-02T14:57:18Z

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{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Revenge of the Fallen (books)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' book series]]
|prev=The Veiled Threat
|title=''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''
|image=TF2009 Revengeofthefallen novelization.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[Del Rey Books]]
|date=[[May 19]], [[2009]]
|writer=[[Alan Dean Foster]]
|continuity=[[Movie continuity]]
}}

== Vital statistics ==
*ISBN 0345515935
*ISBN 978-0-345-51593-3
*'''Pagecount:''' 336

==Synopsis==

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] (2)
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] (3)
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] (4)
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (7)
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] (8)
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] (11)
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (24)
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] (45)
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] (47)
|c2=
*[[The Fallen]] (1)
*[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolisher]] (9)
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] (10)
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheels]] (25)
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] (27)
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] (29)
*[[Alice]] (33)
*[[Marble bot|Marble bots]] (34)
*[[Scalpel|The Doctor]] (35)
*Unidentified [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s (36–40)
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] (41)
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] (43)
*[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] (44)
*[[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]] (48)
*Unidentified Decepticons (51–64)
*[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] (66)
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] (67)
|c3=
*[[William Lennox]] (5)
*[[Robert Epps]] (6)
*[[Sam Witwicky]] (12)
*[[Ron Witwicky]] (13)
*[[Judy Witwicky]] (14)
*[[Mikaela Banes]] (15)
*[[Theodore Galloway|Director Galloway]] (26)
*[[Admiral Morshower]] (28)
*[[Leo Spitz]] (30)
*[[Sharsky]] (31)
*[[Fassbinder]] (32)
*[[Professor Colan]] (42)
*[[Seymour Simmons]] (46)
*[[Sarah Lennox]] (49)
*[[Monique Epps]] (50)
*[[General Fassad]] (65)
|c4=
*[[Appliancebot]]s (16–23)
*[[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]] (68–?)
}}

==Quotes==

==Errors==

==Items of note==
*Devastator is formed from a green hauler, a [[Long Haul (ROTF)|dump truck]], a [[Scrapper (ROTF)|front loader]], a [[Hightower (ROTF)|construction crane]], and three other unidentified Constructions.
*The appliances in the Witwicky kitchen that are brought to life include a cappuccino maker, a [[Ejector|toaster]], a garbage disposal, a [[Wire Tap V20|cell phone]], a microwave, a blender, and an electric mixer. They are called "appliancebots."
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] (here unnamed) chases after Sam and Mikaela by bouncing like a pogo-stick.
*In [[Defiance issue 4]], The Fallen claimed he would be imprisoned in his sarcophagus until the star harvester is rediscovered. This is apparently literally true. It seems the act of finding the harvester somehow freed him from prison.

===Differences with the movie===
*In the film, six Primes killed themselves to create the [[Tomb of the Primes]]. Here, 11 Primes have already been killed by The Fallen, and the 12th creates the tomb from their bodies, only killing himself to seal it up.

==External links==
*[http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345515933 Product page at Del Rey Online]
*[http://www.randomhouse.com/delrey/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345515933&view=excerpt Chapter 1 preview at Del Rey Online]

[[Category: Novels]]
[[Category: Revenge of the Fallen]]

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)

2009-07-02T04:50:11Z

206.253.51.107: New page: I'll get started on this tomorrow, since that's when I'm getting the game --~~~~

I'll get started on this tomorrow, since that's when I'm getting the game --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 00:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Revenge of the Fallen (video games)

2009-07-02T04:49:34Z

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{{nav-rotf}}

[[Image:TransformersTheGame wallpaper 06.jpg|thumb|right|350px|]]
'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Game''''' is a series of computer and video-game console games published by [[Activision]] in conjunction with the [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|2009 motion picture]].

==Versions==
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (console)|PS3, XBox 360]]
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Wii)|Wii, PS2]]
:Note that the Wii and PS2 versions are very different from 360 and PS3 versions, especially the graphics.
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (DS Autobots)|Nintendo DS Autobot]]
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (DS Decepticons)|Nintendo DS Decepticon]]
* [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (PSP)|PSP]]

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Playable Characters|c1=
'''[[Autobot]]s'''
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
* [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]
'''[[Decepticon]]s'''
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
|h2=[[Drones]]|c2=
'''Autobots'''
* [[Protectobot (ROTF)|Protectobots]]
{{collist|3|
:* [[Streetwise (ROTF)|Streetwise]]
:* [[Blazemaster|Blades]]
:* [[Hot Spot (ROTF)|Hot Spot]]
}}
* [[Aerialbot (ROTF)|Aerialbots]]
{{collist|3|
:* [[Skydive (ROTF)|Skydive]]
}}

* [[Omnibot (ROTF)|Omnibots]]
{{collist|3|
:* [[Omnibot Leader]]
:* [[Omnibot Warrior]]
}}
'''Decepticons'''
* [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticons]]
{{collist|3|
:* [[Swindle (ROTF)|Swindle]]
:* [[Vortex (ROTF)|Vortex]]
:* [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]]
}}
* [[Seeker (Movie)|Seekers]]
{{collist|3|
:* [[Dirge (ROTF)|Dirge]]
:* [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]]
}}

|h3=Other Characters|c3=
'''Autobots'''
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
'''Decepticons'''
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]
* [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]
* [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]
* [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
'''[[Human]]s'''
* [[Sam Witwicky]]
* [[Mikaela Banes]]
* [[Theodore Galloway|Director Galloway]]
* [[William Lennox|Major Lennox]]
* [[Robert Epps|Sergeant Epps]]
}}

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersgame.com Official website for Transformers: The Game]

[[Category:Video games]]

Constructicon (ROTF)

2009-06-28T01:49:50Z

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{{disambig3|Constructicon}}
{{faction|decepticon}}

[[Image:Constructicons-RiseoftheDecepticons.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Our kidneys for this image without the seam! (and in color)]]

The '''Constructicons''' are a group of Decepticons that take the form of various construction vehicles. Unlike previous continuities, it seems as if some but not all Constructicons are [[combiner]]s.

{{chapters
|title=Constructicons
|center=false|align=left|style=2
|content=<div class="list-header">Shovel-crane:</div>
*[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]
*[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]{{dag|green}}

 <div class="list-header">Truss crane:</div>
*[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]{{dag|black}}

 <div class="list-header">Dump truck:</div>
*[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]{{dag|black}}

 <div class="list-header">Cement truck:</div>
*[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]

 <div class="list-header">Articulated dump truck:</div>
*[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]{{dag|black}}

 <div class="list-header">Pogo bulldozer:</div>
*[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]{{dag|black}}

 <div class="list-header">Front loader:</div>
*[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]{{dag|black}}

 <div class="list-header">Bulldozer:</div>
*[[Kickback (ROTF)|Kickback]]

 <div class="list-header">Excavator:</div>
*[[Trample]]
*[[Tread]]

 <div class="list-header">Mine clearer:</div>
*[[Constructicon Scout]]

 {{dag|black}}"Orthodox" Devastator units
 {{dag|green}}Form Devastator in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' film
}}

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
[[Image:Defiance4_Constructicons.jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]

In the distant past, the [[All Spark]] Cube created [[Thirteen original Transformers|a race]] of powerful, trans-dimensional beings as the first inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The Cube gave these beings mighty powers, as well as terraforming their world, but it was not limitless, and gradually became depleted. The first beings learned that the All Spark's power could be replenished by harvesting the energy of stars, but they were unable to locate new stars to suit their purposes, despite their amazing ability to travel between dimensions. Once again, the Cube came to the rescue, creating a race of workers, who had the ability to change their shape.

The "builder" workers were among the very first of these new beings, who would construct a [[Solar Harvester|harvester]] when a suitable sun had been found. Once built, the device would drain the energy of these stars, thus replenishing the All Spark. {{Storylink|Defiance issue 4}} It is assumed that at some point during the civil war on Cybertron, the builders sided with [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], the new protege of their only surviving ancient master, [[The Fallen]]. In Megatron's Decepticon army, they became known as the Constructicons.

Many thousands of years later, the [[United States military|United States Military]] passed on information of Demolishor's presence in [[Shanghai]], [[China]] to Major [[William Lennox]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. They ordered the [[NEST]] team to prepare to move out to deal with the threat. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4}}

===''Revenge of The Fallen'' (movie)===
{{comingsoon}}

==Games==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Game===
[[Image:Concept rotfgame-big trouble in big china.jpg|thumb]]
The Constructicons battle Optimus Prime in Shanghai.
{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen The Game}}

{{comingsoon}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
{{Comingsoontoy}}

[[Category:Combiner teams]]
[[Category:Constructicons| (ROTF)]]
[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Engineers]]

Talk:Transformers (Titan Magazine)

2009-06-10T18:05:34Z

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== Publishing dates, or rather the lack of them ==

How come these Titan magazine articles lack publishing dates that our other comic issues have? Without them, I can't determine what came out first (thus determining the order of placement in fiction sections). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:06, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:Exact publication dates (well, official ones, some places get them a few days earlier) have been added for each issue except #1 (cos, er, I can't remember that one). --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 13:45, 22 May 2009 (GMT)

== ROTF ==

I can't wait to read the synopsis for these ones! If anyone bought a copy, could you post the synopsis for the first issue as soon as possible? Do they continue where the Movie 1 comics left off, or do they start a new story altogether? I need to know. Please, post synopsis soon! --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 14:05, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Scrapper (ROTF)

2009-06-08T19:22:53Z

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{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Scrapper}}

:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Scrapper''' transforms into a front load shovel. He forms the right arm of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]].

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' (movie)===
{{comingsoon}}
{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class toys====
*'''Decepticon Scrapper''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''D5'''
{{Comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

====Supreme Class toys====
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)

{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

==Trivia==
* It appears that the [[Constructicon Scout]] from [[Battle for the Allspark v2]] is based off of Scrapper's appearance, including the claw arms.

[[Category:Constructicons]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]

Superion (ROTF)

2009-05-30T20:19:15Z

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{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Superion}}
:''Superion is a [[Autobot]] from the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[Continuity family]].''

'''Superion''' is the combined form of the [[Aerialbot (ROTF)|Aerialbots]]:

*[[Silverbolt (ROTF)|Silverbolt]]
*[[Air Raid (Movie)|Air Raid]]
*[[Fireflight (ROTF)|Fireflight]]
*[[Skydive (Movie)|Skydive]]
*[[Airazor (ROTF)|Airazor]]

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[Image:Universe2008 Superion.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]
*'''Superion''' (Multi-pack, 2009)

: ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Superion is a redeco of ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Air Team]]/[[Superion Maximus]] combiner.

:This mold was previously sold as ''[[Universe (2008)|Universe]]'' [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] with no changes.

{{charstub}}

[[Category:Aerialbots]]
[[Category:Combined forms]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)

2009-05-29T17:57:50Z

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== Desert Tracker Ratchet ==

Are we sure that's the Hasbro name for the Voyager? Takara also calls the EZ Collection toy that, whereas Hasbro call their Legends version simply "Autobot Ratchet". Likewise, Takara slaps "Autobot" in front of Breakaway and Knock Out and "Decepticon" in front of Rampage, none of whom need those modifiers in the Hasbro version.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:33, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

== Links ==

Is it just me or would it make more sense for links from this toyline page to take you to the toy in question? While generally it makes sense for a link to take you to the character; the focus of this page is the toys, so it would seem that those are what people want to see when they click on the links. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:03, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

== Walmart links ==

FYI: Walmart.com took down all those nice links. Oops. Also, were Ramjet and Skywarp officially announced? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:46, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
: I wish you hadn't put all those damn links in our pages to begin with! I removed what I could yesterday, but now the ones that remain are apparently dead. Listing when and where a toy was first "announced" is not a necessary thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:35, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::OK. I was blindly following someone's lead. I was just hoping they still count as officially announced even though it has been taken down. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:44, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I was the one who initially put all those citation links up, on the off-chance somebody would be all "HEY WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS IS OFFICIAL? BLARGH BLARGH" before I uploaded the official pics, because several of the new molds were first seen some time ago via leaks. Shows what I get for being thorough. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:13, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== Human Alliance ==

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but has hasbro actually confirmed the third human alliance set?
The fact that it was added by an unregistered user sent alarm bells ringing, and I'm certain I'd have heard about it if it were true.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 11:19, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:As I recall, Skids with Mikeala were listed on Amazon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:24, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

== Legends Devastator ==

Shouldn't we list this under the Japanese version for the time being? A Hasbro version hasn't been announced yet to my knowledge.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:28, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

== Whirl and Bludgeon ==

Aren't they Walmart exclusives? --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 13:57, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)

2009-05-18T13:58:15Z

206.253.51.107: /* Human Alliance */

{{nav-rotf}}

These are the officially announced toys for the 2009 live-action film ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]].''

==Toyline==
===Action figures "main line"===
====Legends class====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Springer (ROTF)|Autobot Springer]]
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

=====Constructicon Devastator=====
'''[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] seven pack, contains:'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
* [[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]
* [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
* [[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]<ref name="SCVNGR"/>
* [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
}}

{{comingsoontoy}}

====Scout class====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]]
* [[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]]
* [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]]
* [[Rollbar (ROTF)|Rollbar]]
* [[Ransack (ROTF)|Ransack]]
* [[Depth Charge (ROTF)|Depth Charge]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

====Deluxe class====
'''Preview wave'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]
}}
'''Wave 1'''
* [[Breakaway (ROTF)|Breakaway]]
* [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]

'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]
* [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Autobot Wheelie]]
* [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]]
* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]
* [[Blaze Master (ROTF)|Blaze Master]]
* [[Brawl (Movie)|Deep Desert Brawl]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (retool)
* [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]]
* [[Barricade (Movie)|Interrogator Barricade]]
* [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
* [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
* [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]] And [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
* [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]]
* [[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

{{note|The initial press release from Hasbro[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair09/] reveals that there will be at least 24 characters in the Deluxe range.}}

====Voyager class====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]]<ref name="SCVNGR">It is currently unclear what relationship, if any, Demolishor has to Scavenger. Official packaging photos for Demolishor's Voyager class toy clearly show his name to be Demolishor, yet a component in the Constructicon Devastator toy set that has an identical vehicle mode to Demolishor has "SCVNGR" [[tampograph]]ed on the side of the vehicle and the official image files from Hasbro for the toy component are named "scavenger". On April 1st, 2009, screen writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] added to the confusion by referring to Demolishor as a separate character from the other Constructicons, and that Devastator is made up of seven Constructicons, including Scavenger (but not Demolishor) and a new character named Overload.([http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm Various characters revealed on USA Today.com. April 1, 2009.])</ref>
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Desert Tracker Ratchet]]
* [[Stratosphere]] (with [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] mini-figure)
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
* [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
* [[The Fallen#Revenge of the Fallen 2| The Fallen]]
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
}}
{{note|The initial press release from Hasbro[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair09/] reveals that there will be at least 11 characters in the Voyager range.}}

{{comingsoontoy}}

====Human Alliance====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] / [[Sam Witwicky]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] / [[Robert Epps]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]] / [[Mikaela Banes]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

{{note|The initial press release from Hasbro[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair09/] reveals that there will be at least 3 characters in the Human Alliance range.}}

====Leader class====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

{{note|The initial press release from Hasbro[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair09/] reveals that there will be at least 3 characters in the Leader range.}}

====Ultimate Bumblebee====
'''Future waves'''

* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]

{{comingsoontoy}}

====Constructicon Devastator====
[[Image:ROTF Devastator combiner toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|PREPARE FOR <s>DEVASTATION</s> DISAPPOINTMENT]]
'''[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] six pack, contains:'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
* [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
* [[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]<ref name="SCVNGR"/>
* [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
}}

{{comingsoontoy}}

===Fast Transformers Fun===
====Battle Chargers====
'''Future Waves'''
{{collist|3|
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

====Gravity Bots====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

====Fast Action Battlers====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Pulse Blast Bumblebee]]
* [[Jolt (ROTF)|Electro Whip Jolt]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Double Blade Optimus Prime]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Cannon Blast Megatron]]
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Devastation Blast Long Haul]]
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Photon Missile Jetfire]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Beam Blast Autobot Ratchet]]
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Magna Missile Sidesways]]
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Grapple Grip Mudflap]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Missile Blast Skids]]
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Missile Assault Grindor]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Sand Attack Bumblebee]]
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
=====Radio controlled=====
{{collist|3|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
}}
=====Battle Series=====
{{collist|2|
*01 — [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] ('70s Camaro) vs [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*02 — [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] vs [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]
*03 — [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] vs [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*04 — [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] vs [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]
*05 — ??
*06 — [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]] vs [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
}}
=====Combat Series=====
[[Image:ROTF RPMs Ratchet.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Oh, THERE'S where I left my robot mode!]]
{{collist|2|
*01 — [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]
*02 — ??
*03 — [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*04 — [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
}}
=====Commander Series=====
{{collist|2|
*01 — [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*02 — [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
}}
=====Track Set=====
* [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator Showdown]] playset with [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]

=====Speed Series=====
{{collist|3|
*01 {{m-}} [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
*02 {{m-}} [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

===Role play===
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] Plasma Cannon

{{comingsoontoy}}

* Bumblebee Voice Mixer Helmet

{{comingsoontoy}}

===Plain Transformers Fun===
====Mr Potato Head Transformers====
* [[Bumble Spud]]

{{comingsoontoy}}

====Power Bots====
{{collist|2|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
}}
====Mega Power Bots====
{{collist|3|
* [[Devastator (ROTF)|Constructicon Devastator]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Jetpowered Optimus Prime]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

====Robot Heroes====
'''Wave 1'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] & [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] & [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] & [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
* [[Springer (ROTF)|Autobot Springer]] & [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] & [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]] & [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
}}
====Future waves====
* "Battle for the Allspark" Multipack
{{collist|3|
:* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] ([[alternate mode]])
:* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] (alternate mode)
:* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] (alternate mode)
:* [[Sam Witwicky]]
:* [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]
:* [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
:* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]
}}
{{collist|3|
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (alternate mode) & ?
* ? & [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

===Collector===
====Robot Replicas====
'''Future waves'''
{{collist|3|
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

====Target-exclusives====
'''[[Superion (ROTF)|Superion]]''' five pack, contains:

{{collist|3|
*[[Silverbolt (ROTF)|Silverbolt]]
*[[Airazor (ROTF)|Airazor]]
*[[Air Raid (Movie)|Air Raid]]
*[[Fireflight (ROTF)|Fireflight]]
*[[Skydive (Movie)|Skydive]]}}

{{comingsoontoy}}

'''[[Bruticus Maximus (ROTF)|Bruticus Maximus]]''' five pack, contains:

{{collist|3|
*[[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]]
* ?
* ?
* ?
* ?}}

{{comingsoontoy}}

====Wal-Mart exclusives====

* [[Skywarp (ROTF)|Skywarp]]
* [[Ramjet (Movie)|Ramjet]]

{{comingsoontoy}}

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Talk:Dirge (Animated)

2009-05-16T21:25:31Z

206.253.51.107: /* US release */

==US release==

"Part of the fifth wave of Activators along with Cliffjumper, both bots saw regular release in European markets, but as of this writing(Apr-17-09), have received hardly any US release." 
Are you sure? I live in Philadelphia and saw them at K-mart a few months back. I don't think my area would've been the only one. {{unsigned|98.235.18.165}}
: K-mart, huh? Well, you're probably one of the very very few who've ever seen any! I had to get mine shipped from New Zealand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:12, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I saw two of each at my Wal-Mart. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 17:25, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Endgame, Part I

2009-05-16T18:26:56Z

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== Body templates ==

Omega Supreme and Lugnut seem to clearly have the same bodyform, and it seems impossible that Lugnut was ever an Autobot. Could somebody tweet Wyatt and ask him if Omega was built based on Lugnut?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:05, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
* It's probably just a co-incidence. Personally, I don't find the two much similar-structure wise. [[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 09:13, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:They don't have the same bodyform! What are you talking about? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:19, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::Obviously not at the same size, but look at them - same hands, both have shoulder wings, lobe-head with no neck, same kind of legs, vent-shoulders...Omega's pretty much an upsized-version of Lugnut. Hell, even though I knew they were building Dark Sentinels, they looked exactly like giant Lugnut's until they did the visor face.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:25, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:::[[Image:No.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:32, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::::And those seriously don't look at all similar to you? Huh.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 09:39, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::In the same way that Oil Slick and Prowl are similar, yes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:44, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::They're both massive guys. That's all. Contrary to your original assertion, they don't have the same hands. They don't have the same lobe-head with no neck (Omega Supreme HAS A NECK), they don't have the same legs, and they don't have the same shoulders. The only thing that you said was true is that they both have shoulder wings. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:51, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
I don't see it with Lugnut and Omega. I just don't see how it's even possible. No Offense.[[User:TransformerChick|TransformerChick]] 09:41, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
::I guess I was just seeing things then. Sorry if I annoyed anyone.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 10:03, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:::For "Lugnut Supreme", though - that Tweet seemed more like Wyatt playing around with the guy wanting a Supreme-class Lugnut/Omega redeco, instead of giving an official name. Did anyone else get that vibe?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 13:58, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Adding Information==

When would be an acceptable time to start adding information on this page? [[User:New Era Outlaw|New Era Outlaw]] 09:14, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
:As soon as you have seen the episode?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:16, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Optimus' jetpack==

Don't you think this is the new 'Wingblade Optimus Prime' Voyager? I do. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 14:26, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday

2009-05-10T22:13:23Z

206.253.51.107:

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Movie (books)|''Transformers'' book series]]
|prev=
|next=Transformers (novel)
|title=''Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday''
|image=TF2007_GhostsofYesterday.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[Del Ray Books]]
|date=[[March 27|March 27]], 2007
|writer=[[Alan Dean Foster]]
|continuity=[[Movie continuity]]
}}

'''In 1969, shortly after the ''Apollo 11'' moon landing, the clandestine organization known as Sector Seven tests their first Ice Man-derived spacecraft with disastrous consequences.'''

== Vital statistics ==
*ISBN 978-0-345-49798-7
*'''Story concept:''' [[David Cian]]
*'''Pagecount:''' 286

==Synopsis==
{{stub}}

As ''Apollo 11'' launches into space, all eyes are on it. Almost all eyes, anyway. In the Arctic Circle, [[Sector Seven]] is preparing to launch their own ship, the ''[[Ghost 1]]''. As the ''Ghost's'' crew launch into space, some S7 workers -- including Thomas Kinnear -- are worried.

The Captain of ''Ghost 1'', [[Samuel Walker]], silently worries about the mission. He knows that he has to return to earth, but he's not sure that he'll make it. He gives his crew a speech, and they rocket towards the sun. As they are about to slingshot towards Jupiter, they are sucked into a wormhole, and they all lose conciousness.

Meanwhile, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] are above a strange planet. All of a sudden, ''Ghost 1'' comes out of the wormhole. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] notes that the ''Ghost'' is based off of a [[Decepticon]] design.

==Feactured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
|c2=
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
|c3=
*[[Phil Nolan]]
*[[Samuel Walker]]
*[[Thomas Kinnear]]
}}

== Quotes ==

'''Blackout''': "If Megatron has allied himself with these life-forms, you're going to get your Spark handed to you. Painfully."

- Blackout reminds Starscream about how ruthless Megatron is.
== Trivia ==
*The novel was originally announced as being written by David Cian but after turning in a (self-admittedly<ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=17231 Brief Note about Ghosts of Yesterday]</ref> rushed) first draft he was replaced by Alan Dean Foster who then rewrote the novel to an unknown extent. Foster is the lone name on the binding, while Cian receives a story credit inside.

*The book as published only marginally resembles Cian's description of the one he was writing, and features a much more defined scope and focus.<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/people/interviews/view.php?interview_id=32 Talking Transformers Movie Novels with Alan Dean Foster]</ref>

*Much of the plot takes place on a planet reminiscent of the setting of [[Wikipedia:Dune (novel)|''Dune'']]; desert environment, pillars with glyphs carved into them, sandworms, etc.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Stub]]
[[Category:Novels]]
[[Category:Movie]]

Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday

2009-05-10T21:39:17Z

206.253.51.107: /* Synopsis */

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[Movie (books)|''Transformers'' book series]]
|prev=
|next=Transformers (novel)
|title=''Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday''
|image=TF2007_GhostsofYesterday.jpg
|caption=
|publisher=[[Del Ray Books]]
|date=[[March 27|March 27]], 2007
|writer=[[Alan Dean Foster]]
|continuity=[[Movie continuity]]
}}

'''In 1969, shortly after the ''Apollo 11'' moon landing, the clandestine organization known as Sector Seven tests their first Ice Man-derived spacecraft with disastrous consequences.'''

== Vital statistics ==
*ISBN 978-0-345-49798-7
*'''Story concept:''' [[David Cian]]
*'''Pagecount:''' 286

==Synopsis==
{{stub}}

As ''Apollo 11'' launches into space, all eyes are on it. Almost all eyes, anyway. In the Arctic Circle, [[Sector Seven]] is preparing to launch their own ship, the ''[[Ghost 1]]''. As the ''Ghost's'' crew launch into space, some S7 workers -- including Thomas Kinnear -- are worried.

The Captain of ''Ghost 1'', [[Samuel Walker]], silently worries about the mission. He knows that he has to return to earth, but he's not sure that he'll make it. He gives his crew a speech, and they rocket towards the sun. As they are about to slingshot towards Jupiter, they are sucked into a wormhole, and they all lose conciousness.

Meanwhile, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Ark (Movie)|Ark]] are above a strange planet. All of a sudden, ''Ghost 1'' comes out of the wormhole. [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] notes that the ''Ghost'' is based off of a [[Decepticon]] design.

==Feactured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
|c2=
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
|c3=
*[[Phil Nolan]]
*[[Samuel Walker]]
*[[Thomas Kinnear]]
}}

== Trivia ==
*The novel was originally announced as being written by David Cian but after turning in a (self-admittedly<ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=17231 Brief Note about Ghosts of Yesterday]</ref> rushed) first draft he was replaced by Alan Dean Foster who then rewrote the novel to an unknown extent. Foster is the lone name on the binding, while Cian receives a story credit inside.

*The book as published only marginally resembles Cian's description of the one he was writing, and features a much more defined scope and focus.<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/people/interviews/view.php?interview_id=32 Talking Transformers Movie Novels with Alan Dean Foster]</ref>

*Much of the plot takes place on a planet reminiscent of the setting of [[Wikipedia:Dune (novel)|''Dune'']]; desert environment, pillars with glyphs carved into them, sandworms, etc.

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Scorponok (Movie)

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:''Scorponok is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Movie Scorponok Procterrender1.jpg|right|350px|thumb|This is his first major role since Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: The Movie as Scorpitron. This role he likes better because he doesn't get blown up.]]

'''Scorponok''' is a small [[Transformer]] with a symbiotic connection to [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]. His main drives are to hunt, destroy, and hunt some more, and nobody knows if he's truly barely sentient or is actually a cunning opponent getting friend & foe alike to underestimate him. Just as Blackout would often be found looming powerful and silent by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], Scorponok is always near Blackout, except in those times he has been sent to kill.

Since he can tunnel underground with frightening speed, he's incredibly good at ambushing. His favorite pastime is playing Hide and Seek with unsuspecting players, be they robotic or organic. He prefers to be hider ''and'' seeker. On Cybertron, he was deliberately left behind on battlefields so he could use his chameleon mesh armour plating to blend in perfectly with the background, then ambush any Autobot patrols that would arrive. Thanks to this, Megatron gave him more autonomy than other Decepticons would get, as he admired Scorponok's genocidal zeal.

He may retreat, but he'll come back. He kills Autobots. He never gives up. <ref>Character Profile: Scorponok in [[Transformers #9]] (Titan)</ref>

:''Chinese name (Taiwan):'' '''Wēn-yì''' (瘟疫, "Plague")

== Fiction ==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie prequel comics===
Scorponok and Blackout, who ordinarily never leave [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s side, were dispatched to join [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s forces elsewhere on Cybertron while Megatron closed in on the [[All Spark]]. After the group realized that both the All Spark and Megatron had left Cybertron, Blackout ended an argument with Starscream over what to do next by deploying the fearsome Scorponok. {{storylink|Planetfall|Planetfall}}

Soon after the Decepticons launched a battlecruiser to pursue [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s starship, they were unwittingly led into a trap and crippled by mines. Also damaged was Starscream's forward scout [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]], who was rescued by Scorponok. The Decepticons limped back to Cybertron in humiliation. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 1|The Reign of Starscream issue 1}}

[[Image:HoorayScorponok.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Adorably bloodthirsty.]]
After repairs were made to their ship, they followed the energy signature of the All Spark to [[Mars]], then to [[Earth]], where Scorponok adorably helped out in the massacre of a United States military installation in [[Afghanistan]]. {{storylink|Planetfall|Planetfall}}

{{note|IDW's comics thus far have the only two fictional depictions of Scorponok's robot mode (which was designed for the toy) and show that he has always had a scorpion beast mode, meaning it was not a form he assumed once on Earth. His beast mode is just alien enough to work, but you can explain his name yourself.}}
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===''Ghosts of Yesterday'' prequel novel===
Scorponok helped Blackout fight [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and later sabotaged the ''Ark''. [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] trashed Scorponok for this act. He was saved by Blackout, who was still recovering from a massive beating by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. What a pal. {{storylink|Ghosts of Yesterday|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

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===''Transformers'' (2007) movie===
[[Image:Movie Blackout Scorponok eject1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Oh, slag, I forgot the Bungee cord!]]
During Blackout's attack on the [[United States Military|US]] [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]], the Decepticon helicopter dispatched Scorponok to seek out and destroy an escaped unit under the command of [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]].

[[Image:Movie Scorponok attack.jpg|right|200px|thumb|No one buries Scorponok in the sand and leaves him to the tide!]]

The next morning, as the surviving soldiers discussed the attack, Scorponok observed their conversation from a distance while hidden in the sand. Targeting Lennox for elimination, Scorponok followed the unit as they made their way to [[Mahfouz|the human boy's]] village. Choosing his moment to strike just as the men stopped on the outskirts of the settlement, his attack was foiled when [[Robert Epps|Sergeant Epps]] saw the metal scorpion tail pointed at Lennox's back and shouted a warning. (Well, it wasn't so much a warning as it was a very, very panicked "''WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!''" followed by gunfire, but hey, it counts.) The other soldiers joined in the firefight as Scorponok dove under the sand to confuse them before impaling [[Donnelly|Sgt. Donnelly]] and dragging him below.

[[Image:Movie Scorponok leapsout.jpg|left|150px|thumb|HUUUGZ!!!]]

Driving the soldiers into the village, Scorponok fired a barrage of missiles, which destroyed the ruins that the village had grown around and critically injured [[Jorge Figueroa|Figueroa]]. Unfortunately for Scorponok, Lennox's distress call to the [[Pentagon]] had gotten through, and an MQ-1 Predator drone relayed images of the Decepticon to astonished US military commanders. They immediately sent two [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|A-10 Thunderbolt IIs]] to attack Scorponok, to little effect, then followed up with an AC-130 Spectre gunship, which damaged Scorponok enough for him to dive back into the sand and escape, leaving his broken tail behind.

[[Image:Scorponok hurt.JPG|right|150px|thumb|I'm not having fun any more.]]

Scorponok's tail was transported back to the States. Lennox, Epps, and several other soldiers examined it en route, which led to the discovery that the only damage the armor didn't either shrug off or quickly heal was the "6000-degree magnesium burn" of a sabot round. Armed with this knowledge, the humans knew they now had a weapon that could hurt the invaders. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' comics===
{{note|The following event is unique to the Titan Magazines continuity.}}
[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and a team of US Special Forces went looking for Scorponok. (Captain Lennox was originally meant to oversee this mission but was reassigned.) Hunting his hunters, Scorponok attacked Ironhide and took control of his motor functions, having him rampage through the humans. Luckily, one of them was able to sever the connection with a shot, and Ironhide smashed the Decepticon to pieces. {{storylink|Scorpion Sting|Scorpion Sting}}

{{note|The following events occur in an alternate timeline/continuity where Megatron won the battle of Mission City.}}
[[Image:SkyblastVersusScorponok.jpg|left|260px|thumb|"DIE, empty space next to Autobot! DIE!"]]

Scorponok spied on a team of Moon-based Autobot reinforcements {{storylink|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1}} and later helped [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] battle them. {{storylink|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 3|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 3}}
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===Toy bios===

Scorponok actually ''led'' the hunt for the AllSpark during the absence of Megatron, and this gave him a taste of command. He happily started using Megatron's own style of super-brutality to keep the troops in line, and looked forward to bumping off his leader and taking full command of the Decepticons. {{storylink|#Deluxe Class toys|Desert Attack}}

The disastrous failure on Earth evidently cocked ''that'' up, as poor Scorpy was left behind by the other Decetpicons in the [[Middle East]]. His attempt at remaining out of sight have failed, and he is constantly being pursued by Bumblebee. {{storylink|#Legends Class toys|Legends Scorponok}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
He's back! {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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==Games==
==="Flight of the Bumblebee" online game===
Scorponok was one of a group of Decepticons who trapped Bumblebee in a canyon. He stood around on a rocky butte, walking back and forth and waiting for Bumblebee to drive up to him. When the Autobot dropped in, Scorponok immediately opened fire, blasting Bumblebee continuously. Unfortunately, Bumblebee had the idea to shoot back, blasting him right out of the picture with just one shot. {{storylink|Flight of the Bumblebee|Flight of the Bumblebee}}

===Transformers: The Game===
[[Image:Scorponok 2007game babygotback.jpg|right|120px|thumb|Coolest. Backpack. Ever.]]
After Blackout scrapped the military base in Qatar, Scorponok was sent to destroy five mobile communications vehicles, succeeding in his task. Scorponok went and did his own thing while Blackout searched the databanks for information on Megatron and the All Spark, but reunited with Blackout in time for their escape.

After arriving in [[Mission City]], Scorponok fought through a horde of [[Energon drone|Energon drones]] to secure the All Spark. Sam Witwicky nearly handed Scorponok the All Spark, but Ironhide punted Scorponok. That made Blackout very mad... {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game (console)}}
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==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Voyager Class Blackout companions====
[[Image:MiniScorponok.jpg|right|144px|thumb|I'm just an accessory.]]
*'''Blackout''' (Voyager Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MD-01'''

: Blackout comes packed with a small silver figurine of Scorponok, who himself features a spring-loaded tail. He is usually stored in a cage on the rear of Blackout's helicopter mode. (Note: The spring in the figurine's tail is oriented not to spring the tail forward, but to help propel the figure out of the cage so that it lands right-side up.)

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* '''Blackout Ver. 4500X''' (Lawson exclusive Voyager Class, Japan 2007)

:This Voyager Class Blackout repaint, exclusive to the Japanese convenience store chain Lawson with the purchase of the movie DVD, came with a redeco of the small Scorponok figurine that came with the regular Voyager Class Blackout, in metallic colors that better match the Deluxe Class Scorponok toy (and the movie CG design, of course).

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[[Image:Mov2007-toy PremiumScorponok.JPG|right|162px|thumb|I'm just a Premium accessory. But face it, I got better colours.]]
* '''Blackout''' ("Premium Series" Voyager Class, USA 2008)

:This redeco of the Voyager Class Blackout toy appears to be based on the same plastic color layout and paint mask as the Japanese Lawson exclusive "Version 4500X" redeco of Voyager Blackout, down to the improved paint on the Scorponok mini-figure. As a matter of fact, both toys might turn out to be outright ''identical'', packaging aside.

:Unlike some of the early "Premium Series" toys, Blackout was available as a mass release.

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====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:Movie Legends Bumblebee Scorponok toys.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Ironically, more robot-like than the deluxe-sized one.]]
*'''Bumblebee vs. Scorponok''' (Legends Allspark Battles two-pack, 2008)

: Legends Scorponok is the smallest transforming figure of ''Movie'' Scorponok yet. He features a better-proportioned robot mode and better articulation for the legs than the Deluxe Class version. In fact, he's one of the best articulated Legends-sized toys to date. Even his claw hands are able to rotate. He does bear a resemblance to a [[Scorponok (BW)|previous version]], though. The only version of the mold released thus far comes packed with a slightly redecoed Legends Class [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. Face it, ''he'' should've come with Voyager Blackout.

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Move DeluxeScorponok toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Ever notice [[Scorponok (disambiguation) |every Scorponok]] has the same transformation? Claws into claws, legs from the main body, tail sits behind, hoping to be ignored...]]
*'''Scorponok''' (Deluxe Class, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MD-04'''

: Scorponok is a robotic scorpion. His body is covered in military warning and command designation markings, suggesting he forms part of a larger military vehicle ([[Blackout (Movie)|hint, hint]]). Two wheels on the bottom of his beast mode, when pushed along a flat, smooth surface, rotate gears that cause the turbines in his body and the pincers on his arms to spin. His tail features a spring-loaded, yet non-launching stinger that extends when a latch is released.

: In beast mode, Scorponok can combine with the underside of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout's]] helicopter mode to exploit the larger Decepticon's own gear gimmick system. A geared shaft linked to Blackout's rotor mechanism connects to a geared peg on Scorponok's back. Thus, pressing the button on Blackout's tail not only rotates his blades, but also rotates Scorponok's pincers and the turbines in his body. (This can also be done with [[Evac (Movie)|Evac]] due to him being a retool of Blackout.) This gimmick can also be activated (more easily) by rotating the geared wheels on Scorponok's undercarriage instead.

: Deluxe Scorponok can transform into what might be ''charitably'' called a robot mode, but was most likely added as an afterthought to the design for added play value (and possibly so Hasbro could actually justify selling the toy as a "Transformer" by itself). The later Legends Class toy features a considerably better-executed bipedal robot mode. In any case, this robot mode never appears in the movie, but does appear briefly in the second Target-sponsored [[Planetfall|Movie Prequel comic]] and in [[The Reign of Starscream issue 1]].

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[[Image:Movie DecepticonDesertAttack 2pack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Ignoring the vast difference in scale between Scorponok's two figures while linked to Blackout takes some imagination.]]
*'''Decepticon Desert Attack''' (Toys'R'Us exclusive two-pack, 2007)

: This package, based on their first appearance in the film, features an unchanged Voyager Blackout packaged with an unchanged Deluxe Scorponok, which was exclusively available at Toys "R" Us stores. Since Voyager Blackout was gang-molded with the miniature Scorponok figure the single release came with, this means that the set contains ''two'' Scorponok toys in different sizes.

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*'''Ultimate Bumblebee Bonus Value pack''' (Wal*Mart exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

:A Wal*Mart-exclusive special pack of [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Ultimate Bumblebee]] with Deluxe Class [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]] and Scorponok as bonus figures. None of the three toys are changed from their respective original releases.

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[[Image:Movie ScreenBattles DesertAttack.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Scorponok now comes with little people to kill.]]
*'''Desert Attack''' (Screen Battles, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SB-03'''

:This pack features a minor [[redeco]] of Deluxe Class Scorponok sporting "sand" paint applications on his body. The pack also comes with non-posable figurines of [[Epps|Sergeant Epps]], [[Jorge Figueroa]] and [[Donnelly|Sergeant Donnelly]]. They are packaged in a special window box featuring a diorama depicting the battle at [[Mahfouz]]'s village.

:According to details listed in an official checklist on Hasbro's website<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=Collectors/Checklist Hasbro Transformers Collectors Checklist]</ref>, this pack was originally supposed to include "4 soldiers". Apparently budget ultimately only allowed for three. The fourth one was most probably supposed to be [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]], who was included with the Screen Battles "Capture of [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]" set instead, colored as a [[Sector Seven]] soldier.

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===Attacktix===
[[Image:Attacktix-MovMegsScorp.jpg|right|150px|thumb|I am going to KILL Yukon Cornelius.]]
*'''Battle Masters Megatron and Scorponok''' (Battle Master set, 200?)

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===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Deluxe Class Toys====
*'''Scorponok''' (2009)
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==Merchandise==
===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Rhscorpprime.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Ripped straight from that scene they didn't appear together in.]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Scorponok''' (2007)

:Scorponok is naturally sculpted in his beast mode for his Robot Heroes release. Cast in gray plastic, he has gold and black paint apps for color. His head is quirked to the side, and his pedipalps are bent into a ''possible'' standard-issue smile. He is articulated only at the pincers' shoulder joints, but his tail and legs are made of soft enough plastic to wiggle about. (The tail is much too short to sting anything other than his own back.)

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==Notes==
* In the film, Scorponok is a silent hunter-killer sent by Blackout. This has caused some conflicting depictions in the fiction and toy bios of Scorponok's level of intelligence. Some present him as being barely alive and merely an animalistic drone, and this is a commonly excepted view. After all, [[Ratbat (G1)#Trivia|non-humanoid Transformers aren't important or noteworthy]]. Another bio, by contrast, describes him as having ''leadership'' ambitions, and his Titan Magazines profile implies strongly that he fakes being a bestial drone to give him a psychological edge.
[[Image:Movie Scorponok headprop.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Now I'm the Headmaster!]]
* Real physical props of Scorponok's head and tail were made by ILM's crew for certain scenes, most notably Lennox and Epps's examination of the tail leftovers on the plane. The head prop was used in the close-up of Scorponok stalking the SOCCENT survivors.<ref>[http://www.benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/PROJPAGE_Trans_08.html Ben Procter's portfolio, depicting CGI models and life-sized props for Scorponok]</ref>

* According to writer [[Roberto Orci]] on the official Transformers Movie board, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] was originally going to appear in the movie (back when Blackout was still supposed to be [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]])<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage was replaced by Scorponok at the official movie boards]</ref>, but was later changed to Scorponok when the setting of the opening scene was changed from jungle to desert.<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage would have appeared in a different terrain at the official movie boards]</ref> This would make Scorponok's scorpion form the ''robot mode'' (in the same fashion Ravage's panther mode was the robot mode), whereas his "alternate mode" is actually a part of Blackout's engine.

[[Image:Geturboshaftengine.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The Turboshaft engine that film Scorponok transforms from. You can almost see the bits of Donnelly.]]
* Exactly ''which'' parts of Blackout turn into Scorponok is a little unclear. The center of his body appears to be made of a [[wikipedia:General_Electric_T64|General Electric T64]] turboshaft engine; his transformation/separation sequence in the movie shows that his forearms are made up of part of the side exhausts, and therefore ''also'' consist of parts of T64 engines. How this is possible, considering an MH-53 Pave Low only features ''two'' T64 engines, is up to anyone's guess.

* Meanwhile, the various markings found on the CGI model's design, the life-sized props and Hasbro's Deluxe toy are taken from all kinds of places on Blackout's helicopter mode, most prominently the cockpit and the tail.<ref>[http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/mh53jreferencefr_1.htm Detail close-up photos of a real MH-53 Pave Low]</ref> Some of those markings can also be found on props used for the scene which features the [[United States Navy|US Navy]] dumping the Decepticons' remains into the ocean.<ref>[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2006/10/pics-from-uss-shoup-of-transformer.html Behind the scenes photos taken aboard the [[Wikipedia:USS Shoup (DDG-86)|''U.S.S. Shoup'']], depicting props from the movie used for the scene which features the US Navy dumping the Decepticons' remains into the ocean]</ref> Considering Blackout didn't appear to be missing any integral parts of his alternate mode in the movie's final act, it seems that either Scorponok reattached himself to Blackout after he escaped the US Air Force's counterattack in Qatar (and was therefore part of Blackout during the final battle), or Blackout somehow magically regrew the parts that were previously made up by Scorponok.

* In the feature "From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack" on the movie's bonus DVD, production designer [[Jeff Mann]] suggested that Scorponok was "birthed" from Blackout, thus suggesting that he might be more of an autonomous extension of Blackout himself, similar to [[Roller]]. Screenwriter Roberto Orci later confirmed that as far as he was concerned, Scorponok was something between a symbiont and a "drone", rather than a fully fledged character.<ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showpost.php?p=1159482&postcount=9822 Orci confirming his view of Scorponok]</ref> The [[Ghosts of Yesterday]] novel would go on to unambiguously identify him as a symbiont.

* A leaked early draft of the script<ref>Details from an early script draft [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2213120&postcount=297 summed up here], [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2214148&postcount=303 confirmed as authentic by Roberto Orci here].</ref> spells his name "Skorponok". That spelling is also used by [[Alan Dean Foster]]'s [[Transformers (novel)|novelization]] of the movie and in the menus for the movie's bonus DVD (most notably the featurette named "From Script to Sand: The Skorponok Desert Attack"). Hasbro themselves used the [[Scorponok (G1)|traditional]] [[Scorponok (BW)|spelling]] "[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]]" for their toys, even though a wallpaper on Hasbro's website spells the name "Scorponock".<ref name="hasbrodemolishor">[http://www.hasbro.com/objects/content/wallpaper.cfm?img=wp_transformers651_1280.jpg&brand_id=496&lang_id=1 Wallpaper at Hasbro's website calling Brawl/Devastator "Demolisher".]</ref> Meanwhile, in interviews, Michael Bay constantly refers to him as "Scorponox", and a preorder listing for the movie score even uses the spelling "Skorpinok".<ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Steve-Jablonsky/dp/B000VFGQHK Amazon.com preorder for the movie score]</ref> Come on, people! It's not like his name's Mxyzptlk. (Even though misspelling Scorponok's name is not quite [[Scorpinok|unprecedented]].)

* Speaking of real, the famous shot of Scorponok leaping from the sand in pursuit a trio of soldiers, the shot used in a lot of the promos? Scorponok is the ''only'' element of CGI in that shot. The sand-explosion behind the soldiers is real, caused by carefully timed explosives placed under the dunes, which certainly must have encouraged the actors to run like hell—the looks of fear on their faces are 100% genuine. The overwhelming majority of explosions, flying cars, and broken buildings in the movie are similarly real effects, not CGI.

* Scorponok is the only Transformer in the movie whose name is not spoken or stated in any way. Well, arguably [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] fits in that category too...

* In [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm an interview] for [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]] Roberto Orci stated that the Decepticon beasts didn't speak because it would be "strange," for audiences to hear Scorponok's English accent.

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/Scorponok/scorponok.htm Scorponok at TFU.info]

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==WHA'PPEN?==

So...what on Earth has happened to the TFWiki? Also, for some reason the old Wikia seems to have gained all of the articles that are now missing from here. (Such as the Season 3 animated stuff)
:Seems to me that we've reverted to a June 2008 version of the database which could be really bad news. Some of my articles [[Macabre]] for example are at the old site but not here, which would make sense since I wrote it in September 2008 before we moved here. I don't even have a login here anymore - Emvee :( [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:31, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like our brain-damaged friend is back again.
:::There's some more info on the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1155749 wiki thread in the Allspark forums]. Looks like an upgrade handled very very sloppily. I'm hoping once they restore the old database it'll overwrite the changes made in the interim, seeing as how our favorite Idiot Vandal With No Life is on a rampage. (Sigh.) Wiping out his stupid crap in one go would be priceless. (This is Jeysie, BTW.) --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 19:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Thank Primus. I was worried someone had hacked in and deleted the database. The thought of 6 months work lost filled me with dread. --abates 19:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ditto. Dread all round here too. Good to know it's in hand. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::You know... assuming it does get overwritten so we don't have to worry about undoing it, watching our pet vandal complain about how the wiki malfunctioning prevents him from vandalizing properly is one of the most morbidly hilarious things I've seen in a while. -Jeysie --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Don't I know it, I was just having a laugh at that with the other half :) --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, there are some benefits about this. On the one hand, people don't have to worry about being spoiled about TransWarped. On the other, we get to see Assaulthead self-destruct in rage as he can't vandalize the wiki. However, there is one concern: What if they can't retrieve the lost information? -- (SFH) [[Special:Contributions/67.164.210.225|67.164.210.225]] 20:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm assuming that Bookworm made a database backup before he started work. Should be fairly simple to upload it again. Which means this conversation never happened. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've decided I don't want to think about what happens if he didn't. (Realistically about all we could do is a crapload of trawling through Google's cache, but even then we'd pretty much be seriously hosed.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:18, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I didn't spot this thread until right after emailing Suki and Walky (one knows the code well, the other is right by the servers) about the situation (though I figure they already know), as I thought it might have been Assaulthead showing a heretofore hidden hacking genius. (Hey, if Bulkhead can be a space bridge genius...) I hope to heck we don't lose all those months of work. Someone really needs to work on that update process... --Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 20:21, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::It would be a real pain if all that work was lost. I hope it's not. How long would it take to get everything back up again? --Tribor

Guys, stop worrying and check out the community portal talk page. That's been restored and its last post was only a couple of days ago. Unless that's the ''only'' page on the enitire wiki that was backed-up, the most that could maybe have been lost is a couple of days' worth. (Okay, as soon as I wrote this, that page got fucked up, too.) The main thing to think about is first-time visitors seeing the site like this. - Magnus Maximus
:I just find it sad that the only person who can log in (with multiple usernames, it seems) is the guy with the (so imaginative) gift for profanity. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:49, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::That's only because he keeps making new accounts every time he shows up, since we keep blocking the old ones.--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/72.48.68.223|72.48.68.223]] 00:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

What worries me, is... why is the database even that far back? Even if we somehow lost everything, we should at least be stuck in how the wiki looked when we first arrived, but we've been rolled almost three months before that. (The last edits in the histories all seem to be mid-June 2008, but didn't we move here in mid-September 2008?) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:02, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, but IIRC we moved in with an older backup and ended up losing a little bit of stuff? -hx [[Special:Contributions/24.30.97.198|24.30.97.198]] 21:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Only a few weeks at most, though, IIRC, not three months' worth. (Not that it really matters if we did lose everything, it just makes me even more worried that this backup/upgrade wasn't done right.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:24, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I just don't uderstand why there wasn't a working failsafe in case something like this happened. I mean come on have you ever heard of an SD card or floppy disk? --E-Bot
Somebody set up us the bomb. --Interrobang 21:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Straight up! I agree, it dosesn't make any sense Dawg. Yo but you know i'm still concerned if something like this could happen again, and if the damage could much more worse than it is now. --The Man 21:19, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::There had been discussion for several months about creating a proper back-up system.
::::No one really thought it was important. *eyeroll* -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 23:00, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::I had a look at the page for exporting the database a week or so ago but couldn't work out how to make it give me any data. I kinda wish I'd stuck at it now. Oh well, I'm just hanging out for some sort of official word on what's happening now... --abates 23:09, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Who are we gonna get the offical word from? Admin? I've only been able to track two. This is what really gets me though, I've put more work into this wiki in the past four months than any other time. But I'm kinda doubting that this entire thing was Assualthead, even though his fancy with profanity is some kind of wonderment. I hate worrying because it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:25, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Walky just [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/481400.html blogged] on the matter.
::::::It looks like our host decided to spontaneously upgrade our software without warning or asking us first, forgot to make a database backup while doing so, things got corrupted and now he's slapped in the database we had during transition just to get things working while he digs through the backup archives to find the most up-to-date regular update.
::::::(I am not relaxing until this update is in-hand. That's the kind of flim-flam answer I usually associate with "oops it's all gone" unless I'm informed somethign is going to happen AHEAD of time.) -Derik
:::::::OK, I have [http://www.aldenbates.com/allpages.txt here] a list of all content pages on the Wiki from roughly 4 days ago. I am thinking of writing something to request and save the Google cache of every damn one of them tonight. Actually converting them to Wiki format and restoring them is another matter. --abates 00:34, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Google Cache is passable - I tried a few links that I was able to access and they were about at least a week to three weeks off. --lonegamer78 [[Special:Contributions/76.95.138.16|76.95.138.16]] 00:44, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::If you can automate such a thing, I'd say go for it, Abates, just in case. The TV Tropes folks saved their own wiki from a crash with Google's cache, so while it'll be a crapton of work, it'll still be way better than starting over after losing 9 months of work. And if it turns out we didn't need it because Idiot Server guy gets things running again, well... just a little time wasted, then. --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:21, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Hrm, as I more or less expected, Google throttled me. I'm not sure of a better way to get the cache pages though. :/ --abates 02:26, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

The not-entirely-ultrahorrific news is that the Google cache of every page I've tested for is from March 9th. So at least there IS a record of really everything we've done here; we've only "lost" TransWarped and one or two comic issues.

But for fuck's sake we have to get this nailed down SOON.

First question: is it possible for Google to make a cache of the current lobotomized pages? How long will they rely on their March 9th cache of, say, Kup, before they make a new image of it based on the piece of shit Bookworm reverted us to? Can we ask them to STOP updating?

And does this current incarnation of TFWiki still have the quarter-million implanted redirects to Wikia in it? 'Cos if it does, fuck, we're better off pulling the plug on the site altogether and only putting it back when it's presentable. '''Thylacine 2000''' --[[Special:Contributions/74.73.131.210|74.73.131.210]] 11:03, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:Agreed. There is absolutely no reason for the site to be up right now. We're begging Google to overwrite their old cache. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/161.203.16.1|161.203.16.1]] 11:39, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

===Another thing comin'===
Okay, people, look here. I don't know jack from shit about databases and backups and servers and whatnot, but what I do know is this:

''This is a fucking catastrophe.''

In the very best possible scenario, we've had a site that's been down all freakin' day. That's if we're very, very lucky, apparently. This is also a site that goes down every single night at 1:10am central time, and stays down from several minutes up to an hour. Every. Single. Night. Like clockwork. This is a known issue and in 6 months, nothing has been done about it.

That's if we're lucky. If we're ''not'' lucky, and I'm seeing no reason to think we are, then we've lost ''eight months of work'', all thanks to some bizarre software update that... does what? Was it even necessary? Was something broken here? Was that whole thing where the site appeared to be working, was that just me hallucinating?

Furthermore, if this required taking down the whole site, ''why on god's green earth was a full backup not made immediately beforehand???''

Daily outages for 6 months, lost backups, no backups before software updates, and a site that's now rudderless. We were supposed to make a clean, sharp, snazzy break from Wikia, show that we'd be better off on our own and didn't need them. At the moment, we instead look like ''idiots'' who can't hack it.

We HAVE advertising money, yes? It is time to find a ''professional'' site host, and PAY THEM for their services so we can in turn get reliable hosting. The free charity hosting thing was very nice, but it seems we've gotten what we paid for. -- repowers, not freakin' signed in.

: Yeah, seriously, what was the server guy ''thinking''? The way this should have been done:
#Ask us first.
#Give at least a week's scheduled warning once we gave permission. (I mean... premiere of the first big TF info in a while kind of is a ''really'' bad time to be doing this sort of thing...)
#Put the wiki in locked-down Maintenance Mode.
#Backup the wiki.
#Upgrade.
#Test it out.
#Unlock the wiki.

:...I'm with you, there's gotta be some webhost we can pay that's better than this silliness. (I'd recommend Dreamhost, but admittedly, while they're more reliable than these folks, I still wouldn't offer it up for more than simple hobby sites.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.222.241|72.79.222.241]] 23:51, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

:Yeah, this was the ''one reservation'' I had against ditching Wikia - that entrusting our work to some random host would be riskier than a company that does nothing ''but'' wikis. Every time I mentioned it, I was either patted on the head or ignored. Maybe NOW the danger will be taken more seriously. - Jackpot [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 00:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::In all fairness, this wasn't "some random host." This would be "the guy Walky pays to host Blank Label, where his livelihood resides." --Rosicrucian --[[Special:Contributions/67.232.209.132|67.232.209.132]] 01:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::Not just Walky, but all the other people on BLC. Near as I can tell, this kind of thing has ''never happened'' with the BLC servers before. '''M Sipher'''--[[Special:Contributions/75.177.130.173|75.177.130.173]] 05:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::And the problem is that Wikia was unreliable too, in entirely different ways. If we'd stayed with them the wiki might be up... but they'd also be randomly breaking things by upgrading without our permission, and screwing around with our content. Personally, I wish we simply had a webhost where we were allowed to do our own backups/upgrades... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:21, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, we had no real reason to suspect this would happen. Walkypedia has been on this same server, with the same hosting and same maintenance guy for years (albeit it's not a wiki of anywhere near this scale). Bookworm had, previously, seemed to have his act together. We just have to hope that he gets it back up, and that he's properly chastised by this.--Rosicrucian, [[Special:Contributions/67.232.209.132|67.232.209.132]] 01:24, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::It's just that... personally, I'm dismayed we were trusting an "outside" IT person to maintain our site anyway. I had thought Suki and Derik were handling things. I mean, If I'm going to host something on my own webspace from a webhost, I'm of the "Take my money, give me webspace, keep the space online, and let me handle the rest" mentality. Or at the very least, not do anything to my site unless I authorize it and I'm there watching... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

I beleve that we must do everything in our power to restore the wiki post-hast. Otherwise we will fall behind so far it may set us back weeks even months just to get caught up again. And if I might add that if anyone copied any of the articales we can use that information help fix the problem. I know it sounds complcated but we have to try. To me this not just a wiki it stands for everything Transfomers are. --D.J.Sky 03:35 15 March (2009)
:Ruined FOREVER, you mean? - Magnus Maximus 04:39, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Aw, jesus, I was ''really'' hoping that when I woke up, this would all have been a dream or something. - - McFeely [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 06:27, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:That's exactly what I was hoping McFreely, but sadly it wasn't. I was hoping the site would be back up by now and we'd have four days of work to recreate, but no, it's still down. I mean ''come on'', the half-ass guys over at the wikia have almost everything we've put up in the past four days (not to our quality but still). I don't know guys... I hope it'll be back up by the time I get home from work tonight and might pull an all nighter trying to do what I can.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 10:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

::It's really a bad nightmare. Oww... I have same feeling with Chris. --(TX55) [[Special:Contributions/61.229.26.192|61.229.26.192]] 11:42, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

===Damage control===
Figured there should be a link here to the discussion Rob started on how to go about fixing all of this: [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central]] - '''Jackpot''' [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 13:52, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF countdown==
I can't remember, but was our ROTF countdown thing automated or did somebody have to manually change the number of days left? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:04, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
:<nowiki>*blink*</nowiki> Yeah, it used to be a countdown in wikicode. *yoinks the countdown back onto the page from the history and feels sheepish for not noticing it got overwritten* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:15, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
::Thank you kindly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
:::It's showing 101 days again, which is where it was stuck after the crash. --[[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:00, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::OOps, shall fix. Thanks for the heads up! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:19, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

== Derik's revamp. ==

Looked and worked awesome when you showed me the sample, even better now that it's in proper layout. Kudos, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:00, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not sure what else was done, but the image banner at the top looks all huge and pixelated now in Firefox on my iMac. This may or may not stem from the revamp.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::It looks mostly spiffilicious, but there's something off on the Continuities/Categories paddings, as the longer titles (External Properties, Full Series Info, and About Continuities) wrap into double lines for me, where they didn't before. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Doesn't happen for me at 1024, haven't tried it at other resolutions. I did notice that the "Full Series Info" anchor link on the Continuities box is now broken.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I've had a chance to look at it on the PC at home, and the banner image looks fine there. The Continuities & Categories titles look fine to me, no line wrapping. Go figure. The anchor link for Full Series Info is indeed messed up, though.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:22, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Mrr, maybe it's my font size. I don't know why it's suddenly weird, though, it was fine before.
:::::As for the "Full Series Info", that, and "anyone can edit" and "add to!" in the disambig were all in-page anchor links to various feature boxes' IDs. If Derik changed or forgot to add the IDs on the feature boxes, either that needs to be fixed, or the links need to be fixed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

They have ID's-- but not names. (I think 1 or two of the ID's might've changed, I didn't think they were used.) Are you referring to anchors, or...? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:Yup, anchors. The link in question goes to Main_Page#series for example.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:52, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::The anchors work-- they're set using the id= in the main page text. I apparently changed the "#editing" anchor to "#editing-tips" to make it consistent with the rest of the ID's used on the page. I didn't realize anything actually ''used'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:12, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::And yet, I click on that link, and it's no-go.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:17, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah. ''Now'' it works. Go figure.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

I like the ''idea'' of the autosizing banner, but as mentioned previously, it looks really pixel-y and...well, bad. (Never mind that the Decepticon banner has some sort of smudge in the middle of the "K".) I'm looking at it in IE7 at a resolution of 1280x1024, meaning the banner image itself shows up at 1007 pixels wide. But it looks really junky until I shrink the window down so that the image is below 800 pixels. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 16:43, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

== Server Slowdown? ==

Still getting some major lag at various times, and not just at the "standard" time of midnight Central Time or so. For at least a couple of hours this afternoon, the wiki was taking too long to respond, delivering server time-out errors, or else generating a blank page. Frankly, until I was able to see it properly again just now, I was worried we had a repeat performance on our hands. I believe Suki/Scout said she was making regular back-ups, which is good. Is this periodic bog-down going to be SOP until/unless we move again, or is Bookworm gonna do something about it?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:I noticed that there were zero edits from 13:45–18:56 this afternoon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:42, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::Yep, the site was pretty much unreachable for about 5 hours there, along with Blank Label Comics' site. I was beginning to wonder if the server had died completely.
::The favicon seems to have stopped working for me too, though I can't work out why. The image is still there... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Five ''hours''? Yeesh. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:49, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::And no one who knows why has shown up here to explain or communicated the reason to anyone who posts here yet. Lovely. Favicon's still working for me, at least.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:54, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::I called Bookworm in the middle of it to get him to kick the server in the nuts, but I only got his voicemail. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:14, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Peachy. My confidence is soaring now. Well, at least we know someone here has tried to get his attention.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

==Been Out for a While==

I figured this would be the best place to do this. First and formost, I'd like to apologize to everyone on the Wiki for not helping in probably our biggest time of need. I have been unable to have internet access for the past few weeks, because the damn hospital wouldn't let me have a computer (and maybe only being able to use one arm on a laptop is pretty damn hard), which means I have been unable to update or edit anything. Hell, today was the first time I was on my Facebook or Myspace for weeks, have finally caught up on Lil'formers and ShortPacked as well.

Anyways, let me explain about these ramblings. Two or three days after the crash--on my way to work--I had some fucking dumbass in a riced Toyota run a red light and T-bone the side of my truck in my door and messed me up pretty good (he fucked himself up as bad as his car) and put me in the hospital. I was pretty damn lucky though, dislocated my shoulder and elbow, factured my forearm and wrist, broke three of my fingers; all on my left arm (and I'm a lefty), cracked four ribs and bruised them too, fractured my tibia and broke my ankle. My right side was farely untouched but still got bruised, oh, and my seatbelt cut into my neck (I've had worse cuts and scars before). This is all probably a bit too much but I figured I needed to explain why I haven't been on here until after everything was fixed.

I do have a few questions now though. 1) I can't log in under my name so do I have to set up a new one? 2) Was everything completely blanked when it came to users (i.e. Page Watch, Contribs., etc.) or can we retrieve that? I guess that's all the questions I can think of right now. Any responses, obviously write on the talk page, or hit me on my IP address Talk Page.--'''AWT88'''--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:10, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:Wow, that sucks. I'm glad to hear you're recovering though!
:And no, the user accounts were completely scragged. You'll have to re-register. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:10, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF==

Shouldn't the newest thing be the Veiled Threat instead of Defiance #4? --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 09:26, 10 May 2009 (EDT)