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207.224.69.82: New page: {{cal-date|7|4}} * '''1776:''' A bunch of boring stuff happened a couple hundred years ago. * '''1986:''' ''The Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' episod...

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* '''1776:''' A bunch of boring stuff happened a couple hundred years ago.
* '''1986:''' ''[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|The Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]'' episode "[[Prime Target|The Target is Convoy]]" premieres in Japan.
* '''1989:''' The ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' episode "[[Rescue Jean!!]]" premieres in Japan.
* '''2003:''' The ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Micron Legend]]'' episode "[[Linkup|合身 (りんくあっぷ) - link up]]" premieres in Japan.
* '''2007:''' [[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]] sets the record for biggest July 4th gross ($29 million).
* '''2012:''' Tentative date set for [[Transformers 3]].

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central

2009-03-17T10:08:01Z

207.224.69.82: /* Synchronize watches! */

Additional discussion on this situation can be found on these Allspark.com threads:
* [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=56439 "TFWiki Problems, Any idea what's going on?"]
* [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&st=400&p=1155749&#entry1155749 "Major Wiki Work, A thread for additions to Transformers wikis."]

==Hey hey, what can I do==
I think at this point we must begin formulating plans based on the assumption that the site is a total loss. This means damage control first, then restoration, then prevention.

Assuming no good news comes through, it seems to me we need to take the following steps. Bein' that I'm not a tech guy, there may be more options than what I'm seeing, but here's what I figure we gotta do:

#take down the bulk of the site's pages so Google's cache will not overwrite them
#figure out a system to make Derik and Abates' caches of Google-archived pages accessible to editors as they come in (Derik mentioned it'll take over a week to get a complete set off Google.)
#if possible, automate the stripping of HTML tags and other non-Wiki goop from those pages before anyone tries to edit them, including Wikia links.
#find a way to divvy up a restoration workload among our 50 or so regular editors.
#find a new server. We would be idiots to remain here.

I still hope most of this will be unnecessary, but at this point, I'm losing faith. -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 12:08, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
: Spoke with Bookworm several times this morning. He still has a few more computers to search for backups, but, well, at this point I'm going to assume the worst. He is going to try to at least get our user database working. He wasn't aware that was a problem until I let him know. I think Scout is trying to get all the pages downloaded from Google Caching. I've grabbed a few of my own, but she's got, like, thousands of pages so far.
: As for getting a new server... anybody got any ideas? Hell if I know. Frankly, don't listen to me anyway on that. --Walky

::Take everything down immediately. The longer the site stays up as-is, the greater the risk of contaminating Google's March 9th cache and the more linkbacks we send to Wikia. Then we either beg Google for a mass infodump, or.... 50 editors grab 160 pages each. EDIT: or Scout gets them! Thanks, Scout; good to see at least the words "silver lining" in print, even if I don't see the actual thing itself yet.... '''Thylacine 2000'''--[[Special:Contributions/74.73.131.210|74.73.131.210]] 12:17, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::If we take everything down, what are we going to edit back together? WHEN are we going to edit everything back together? Taking it down just delays our ability to fix it. --Walky
::::If we've got our copy of the cache, then site shutdown isn't nearly as important. The main concern is that we'd lose the Google cache. Looking like retards... well, we'll just have to take our lumps there. (I guess we could set permissions for content pages to only logged-in users? Dunno.) -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 12:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Even if it doesn't overwrite the cache, I see no reason to have the site up given the state that it's in. I say take it down until the head-honchos figure out how to clean up this mess. '''(Undecided)''' [[Special:Contributions/67.185.148.107|67.185.148.107]] 16:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::'''Dudes'''. I noticed our front page's google cache has been updated to our current broken wiki page. So it's already begun. That's just great. --'''FFN'''

==I am a dumb, stupid man==
Just to get that out of the way. Should have told BK to back off on the database upgrade as soon as I saw his original email, and maybe we shouldn't have been here on this server to begin with. It was my call, after all. I'll do my best to make it up to you. Especially TOOG and McFeely, who did so many pages. When I remembered Google caches stuff at like 7 in the morning and started downloading pages whole-hog, theirs was the work I went after first. BEFORE HOT SHOT. That is how bad I feel. Nobody should have to watch through Energon twice. Or, uh, once. This is a terrible, horrible thing, brought on partially by my own incompetence and unassertiveness. Other people shouldn't have to learn my needed life lessons with me. --Walky

==What we've actually lost==
Okay, I've been trying to assess and give a realistic account of the information we appear to be missing. It's hampered by the lack of a search option, meaing I've been having to hit the random button until I've gotten to a page I can link to, and I may be missing something things, but I believe that we have lost the following sections:
*The work McFeely did on [[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]].
*[[Revelation]]
*[[All Hail Megatron]]
*[[The Reign of Starscream]]
*[[Maximum Dinobots]]
*[[Alliance]]
*[[Defiance]]
*[[Universe (2008)]]
*[[Revenge of the Fallen]] updates.
*Abates screen captures on [[Beast Wars]], [[Beast Machines]], and [[Generation 1]].
*Updated screen captures for [[Transformers Animated]] season 1 and 2.
*Last but not least, all we know of [[Transformers Animated]] season 3.

If I missed anything that stands out, please let me know. If all I've done is seriously depress you, then...I don't really know how to respond to that. -- SFH 13:49, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:I'm not sure how worthwhile this is. I could add that we've lost almost everything related to the S.T.A.R.S. continuity (including the meta-page with that name), but seriously, we could keep listing pages forever. Not to mention that probably a huge majority of the existing pages have lost a lot of updates. I don't think there's anything we rank-and-file editors can do until either Walky appears brandishing a "routine backup" or Scout et al. get the Google cache sorted out and implemented. At THAT point, maybe taking stock would be a good idea, but until then, let's just go outside and get some fresh air. Toss a Frisbee around. Call up an old friend. - '''Jackpot''' [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 14:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

::Yeah, we need a systemic, all-encompassing, computer-generated list of every page, since pretty much every page has probably been edited since the split. (though for the record, my list includes 15-20 Energon eps and 20-30 rewritten subgroup pages.) Said list needs a checklist option or something. I dunno. I had this written more coherently before the save page thing crashed. Whee, are we having fun yet? -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 14:28, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I still have all those screen captures, so I can reupload them if necessary. Of course, the images are actually still on the server, but the out-of-date database doesn't know they're there. I grabbed a complete set of Beast Machines episode articles and a near-complete set of RID episode articles from various caches last night. Unfortunately the software I wrote for doing the same only grabbed 53 articles before it was throttled. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::We lost all the Titan collections that Emvee and I did. They weren't cached yet, but oddly the main Titan page had a cached version with the links I made to the individual pages. Wierd. This loss hits me really hard since I didn't start editing until this winter and '''everything''' I've contributed is now potentially gone. Since the tfwiki is one of the few joys I've had lately, it makes me feel a bit useless now. --Bluestreak7 [[Special:Contributions/98.213.132.186|98.213.132.186]] 15:03, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::''Of course, the images are actually still on the server, but the out-of-date database doesn't know they're there.''
::If that's the case, then perhaps they can be reinstated when/if Bookworm compiles a list of files on the server that are newer than a given date.--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 15:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
That'd be Rob's work on Energon, not mine. I've lost around half the Victory cartoon, and ''every single fucking Japanese character article I ever did that's not Shuta.'' I thought we were only back to post-move September status, but we've actually regressed to June. - '''McFeely''' [[Special:Contributions/81.158.171.149|81.158.171.149]] 15:17, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I just saved as many of the Masterforce character articles as I could from Yahoo and MSN's cache (Google throttled me again) --[[Special:Contributions/203.97.2.142|203.97.2.142]] 16:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

In the event that we can't find a more recent backup (and at this point, if server dude can find one from even as recently as January, I'd be overjoyed), do we at least still have the original dump we exported in September which doesn't have all the wikia links at the bottom? --[[Special:Contributions/203.97.2.142|203.97.2.142]] 16:11, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Henkei's articles - toys, pack-in manga, and Comic Bun Bun are lost as well. Typing "henkei" in the search redirects back to the old Classics (2006) with it's last mod date May 2008. Cache helps a bit though. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 00:26, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

== Anything the rank and file could do? ==

OK, so there's obviously alot of scrambling going on from all who can to recover all the massive chunks of what's been lost, my question: is it at all helpful for the rank and file occasional contributor to be doing any editting at this point? I mean, I'm sure there are a bunch of us who would be willing to edit and add here and there to fix up what small bits and pages we can. Or would such small additions and peicemeal fixes just get in the way of the eventual large scale repairs? --[[Special:Contributions/71.235.138.121|71.235.138.121]] 14:59, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:We really don't know yet. It depends on what Derik and Scout come back with. I can't imagine there's any harm in restoring pages by hand (it could presumably get lost in whatever mass upgrades we end up doing... or not. I have no idea.) Mostly, just sit tight for the moment. When we get a system figured out, we'll ring the bells to summon the fire brigade. -- '''repowers''' [[Special:Contributions/99.140.167.2|99.140.167.2]] 15:25, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Pick a page. Stick <nowiki>{{bookworm}}</nowiki> at the top, it'll give you a link to that page's google cache. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:33, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

I've been wiping out those Wikia credits at the bottom of each page. Is this helpful, or should I stop? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:04, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

== How do I properly add info to an article's "recover" page? ==

I've done the bookworm tag on some articles and saved the google cache to my harddrive... question is, how do I post this data to the articles' /recover sections? Just copy'n'paste the text, or go nab the source code? Detour --[[Special:Contributions/70.26.248.28|70.26.248.28]] 18:22, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I expect source code would be more useful. It will preserve the formatting, and someone can probably write a script to convert it back to wiki code. Plus, if I'm wrong, it's trivial to convert the source code to text, whereas you can't really go the other way. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/69.139.147.179|69.139.147.179]] 19:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:I do both, one after the other.
:The first is easier to re-format, but you'll often need to be able tog et the links out of the source code. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Automated Cache Recovery ==
Will this program I happened upon help any? [http://warrick.cs.odu.edu/warrick.html Warrick]. It's supposed to be something that can automate getting websites from various web caches. I put a job in their queue, but if someone who has web stuff (it needs Perl 5 installed) set up on their comp can run the program themselves right now, that would help. Or is that the sort of thing Derik and Suki are already doing? (Basically, I'd like to help, but I don't even know what "phase" we're on...) --[[Special:Contributions/96.240.212.69|96.240.212.69]] 18:59, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:It's being run. It'll take some time, and e3ven then... that's just grabbing a copy of the google cache before it vanishes.
:(Personally I'm banking on a localized reversal of [[The Fallen|the second law of thermodynamics]].) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:01, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::Well, if we're in the midst of saving the Google cache, than what we should do is... 1. Get a copy of as many cached pages as we can. 2. run them all through some sort of preprocessor 3. get a list of editors willing to help, give them each a chunk of the processed pages, and tell them to go to town reposting them. There's no sense in having people running around doing things piecemeal instead of being systematic about it.
::Which is why I was wondering if there was some sort of system already for having people grab cache pages, rather than just doing it randomly. I've been using [http://miscfile.alienharmony.com/transformers/allpages.htm this page] based on Abates' list to grab cache links for the Main namespace, and I have the first 400 links opened so far. Maybe if everyone took so many pages? (Although I have the advantage that I can force change my IP every time I run into Google's annoying throttle wall.)
::Also, I was thinking that we might consider just simply making a fresh install of the wiki software with an empty database, then simply recreating everything, if we're going to have to repost everything by hand anyway... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/96.233.179.58|96.233.179.58]] 20:48, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Make that the first 500, which I'm going to work on saving now. Do our various editors want to post here and lay a claim on a set of numbers on the list and work on opening and saving them? (They link straight to the cache page.) Not all of the links converted cleanly, but it's probably easier to just manually fix them as you go instead of me trying to spend time manually cleaning and reposting the list. I figure, once we know we've got the Main namespace pages saved, we can then work on trying to figure out the other namespaces. (Template and Help at the very least.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.239|72.79.218.239]] 21:06, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Restoring account status ==

Is it better to recreate an account, possibly messing up the caches for one's User Contributions, Talk Page, etc., so uploading images and such is possible? Or should we just sit tight a bit longer on that aspect until more restoration is done?--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 19:24, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:Re-create. -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 20:02, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::Feh. Okay, done.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:13, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

== Pages "recovered" list ==

In the however likely case we are not able to get a full set of backups from Bookworm, we should probably keep a list of pages somewhere that have been at least partially recovered via Derik's bookworm template and google's cache or other caches. This way any rank-n-file editor who wants to help out can just look at the list to see what's been done so they can go save other pages. Another way is to get that listing of all the pages and have users check them off when they've been partially recovered. Thoughts? --Bluestreak7 [[Special:Contributions/98.213.132.186|98.213.132.186]] 19:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:Well, here's a list of all pages that need to be ''recovered'' from the Main namespace: http://miscfile.alienharmony.com/transformers/allpages.htm with links straight to the cache pages. I've opened the first 500 links so far, and am half done with saving them, then I'll work on the next 500. Anyone else want to pitch in, lay claim to a range of numbers to save, and get on it? (Note: Not all of the links coverted over right, though most of them did. If you get an error, just fix any goofs in the link and try again. And keep a list of any pages where, even after checking the link was correct, it just didn't have a cache to save.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/96.240.208.203|96.240.208.203]] 21:48, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:I've written a Perl script to convert the HTML back to Wiki markup. It's not perfect, and I need to test it on more cache files, but it's faster than reformatting by hand. It could be provided as an online tool, maybe. --abates not signed in [[Special:Contributions/203.97.2.142|203.97.2.142]] 22:00, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::Okay, I'm starting on the 7000s. I'll see how far I can get before I need to get to bed. I'm still holding on to hope that all this cache work is for nothing, but not expecting it. [[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 22:28, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::I'll start the 6500s. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT) I got up to 6600 before it stopped me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::I'll at least be doing up to the first 1000 myself. And, I've found that if you have any way to change your IP, that will reset Google's throttle stop. (People who have rotating IPs can likely do this simply by disconnecting/reconnecting.) I also went and fixed all the broken links that didn't convert right, so feel free to refresh my list for the latest version. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:50, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::I have a feeling we shouldn't worry about the early ones. Both Derik and Scout have automated scripts for this, and I'm sure that's where they started. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:54, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'll try and do from 6000 to 6499, then. I've also got a bunch of other pages saved already, mostly G1 character pages. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:56, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, in my epic suckitude coupled with having other engagements I need to get finished... I've only made it to 6050... maybe someone can pick up my slack? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:54, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Starting with 6601. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/69.139.147.179|69.139.147.179]] 23:06, 16 March 2009 (EDT) Ended at 6710. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/69.139.147.179|69.139.147.179]] 23:55, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Do we have a simple, automated way to grab this stuff? '''Chip'''
:Not automated, but, efficiencied:
#Open list in a new Opera window.
#Open up the "Links" panel.
#Select 50 links and "Open in Background tab"
#Select another 50 links after those load, and again "Open in Background tab"
#Drag the list tab to the taskbar to create a new window
#Reset my modem (to get a new IP)
#Repeat these steps until I have 5 windows (100 pages each) open, then go through each window saving everything as HTML.
--[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:06, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
::If you're using Firefox, you can also use an add-on called "Snap Links" to open multiple links at a time. With it installed you just hold down your right mouse button to drag a selection box over all the links you want to open. - Magnus Maximus 03:24, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

===Status Report===
====Main Article Namespace====
Jeysie: 
Working on: 6400-6499 
Completed: 1-1000, 6900-7000, 7140-8292 
Unrecoverable: <s>1984 media</s>, 2008 media, Akari Hibino, All Fall Down (disambiguation), Alpha Trion (disambiguation), April 6, April 16, April 19, Autofire, Automatic timer, <s>Banjo-Ginga</s>, <s>Bat-Rob</s>, <s>Binbo-gami</s>, <s>Break Is a Predacon?</s>, <s>The Autobot Warrior, Sixknight?!</s>, The Big Book of Coloring Fun, <s>The Final Battle (RID)</s>, The New Battle Begins!, The Smashing Pumpkins, <s>The Strongest Tag Team?</s>, The Treacherous Attack of the Decepticons, The Victory Warriors Enter!!, Thundercracker (Shattered Glass), Tight Shot

<s>Super Ginrai Gets Blown Away in the Desert!</s>, <s>Susan K. Williams</s>, Swarm (G2), Tlaloc, Toaster bot, Tow-Line (Energon), Transcendent: Part 4, Transformers Comic issue 19, TransWarped (Part Two), TransWarped (Part Three), Trevor Hutchison, Trust (Cybertron), Tsutomu Kashiwakura, Ultra Magnus (Universe Spy Changer), Vector, Where Is Thy Sting?, Wyatt's Roadsideaganza

Detour 
Working on: 
Completed: 6000-6050 
Unrecoverable: <s>Ryo- Naito-</s>, <s>Ryo-ichi Tanaka</s>, <s>Ryo-ka Yuzuki</s>

ItsWalky 
Working on: 
Completed: 6500-6600 
Unrecoverable: Small Foot, Sojourner's Passage

Chip 
Working on: 
Completed: 6601-6710 
Unrecoverable: Spark (episode)

Bluestreak7 
Working on: 
Completed: 6711-6791, 7000-7140 
Unrecoverable: Staff Sergeant Tracy, <s>Takuro- Kitagawa</s>, <s>Teiyu- Ichiryu-sai</s>, <s>Tessho-Genda</s>, Team Ironhide, Tech-Spec Manual, Tentakil (disambiguation), Terrorcon (disambiguation)

abates 
Working on: 1201-1300 
Completed: 1001-1200, 1500-1800 
Unrecoverable: Crown, Cybertron Redux

Magnus Maximus 
Working on: 
Completed: 6792-6899 
Unrecoverable: Studio 4˚C

====="Unrecoverable" pages=====
Those are actually recoverable. They're just searched for with the wrong characters, since whatever program we're using isn't equipped to handle odd characters like macrons. I'll be working on them. (Interrobang) [[Special:Contributions/69.23.135.79|69.23.135.79]] 00:53, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
:Also, if pages are absent from the Google cache, try Yahoo or MSN. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:31, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

::I think I've gotten all of the macrons, circumflexes, accents, et al. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:58, 17 March 2009 (EDT)
:::Unrecoverable: Kazuhiko Gōdo, Yukiyoshi Ōhashi?

=====Finish Summary=====
1-1000 Jeysie 
1001-1200 abates 
1201-1300 abates (in progress) 
1201-1499 '''Needed''' 
1500-1800 abates 
1801-5999 '''Needed''' 
6000-6050 Detour 
6051-6399 '''Needed''' 
6400-6499 Jeysie (in progress) 
6500-6600 ItsWalky 
6601-6710 Chip 
6711-6791 Bluestreak7 
6792-6899 Magnus Maximus 
6900-7000 Jeysie 
7000-7140 Bluestreak7 
7140-8292 Jeysie

====Template Namespace====

Jeysie - Saved: Everything on [http://miscfile.alienharmony.com/transformers/templates.htm this list] formed by doing a search for "<nowiki>site:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Template:</nowiki>" on Google. (Dunno how much good it'll do, considering, but I wager it's better than nothing.)

== Synchronize watches! ==

Hey techy type folks, I know y'all are busy right now, but there's a few things that need to happen so we aren't wasting people's effort and good will:

* We need a site-wide page-top banner with a short note on what's happened and quick links to the relevant threads, pages, instructions on restoring pages, etc. Also maybe an update on things as required.
* We need to coordinate Google cache pulling, if it isn't happening already behind the scenes. So far it sounds like Scout, Jeysie, Derik, Abates, and maybe some others have been pulling stuff en masse. It suck if like, everyone was pulling the same stuff and missing the same other stuff.
* The cache pull results need to be pooled into one big conglomerated mess somewhere. And auto-stripping/formatting, but y'all already know that.
* We need a temporary tag/template that can be slapped on top of a page when it's restored. Just a small text note would be adequate.

Sorry if I'm nagging and/or telling you stuff you already know, but everyone's efforts seem kind of random at the moment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:49, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, agreed. Like I said above, I'd prefer to:
#Have everyone right now just work on saving the Google cache before it changes. This is really the important thing right now, IMHO... we can't recover pages unless we have something to recover ''from''.
#''Then'' we can work on divving up the cached pages, sending them through a processor, and having people repost their batch of page code on the pages themselves (or on a clean install, would be my preference), doing any necessary manual cleanup as they go along.
:The current state of people sort of saving and restoring random individual pages on "recover" subpages isn't really all that helpful, IMHO. The wiki's going to look ugly for a while regardless; better to just be patient on making stuff look good and just tackle this in a somewhat organized fashion instead. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:10, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::This lack of coordination and general secrecy is hurting efforts. Since I requested help, people on TFW2005 have offered to help out, including people from beyond the board, but they're all asking me what they are supposed to do with their saved browser cache pages/google cache pages. I've been telling them to sit tight until *somebody* tells the people on the wiki what to do. Hopefully, something will be salvaged and this effort won't be needed... but what do I know? I have no idea what the status of things are beyond this page. I do have one suggestion - if and when we get things back to some form of normalcy, we better post a thank you message on the front page for all of those people who offered us help and/or best wishes. --FFN
:::Ask Scout. I think she's trying to organize something. (8000+ pages is kinda a logistical nightmare.) -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 06:08, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

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<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c2/GB-TheAgenda3.jpg</url> <name>The Agenda (Part III)</name> <alt>"The Agenda" (Part III)</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/55/GB-Airazor.jpg</url> <name>Airazor (BW)</name> <alt>Beast Wars Airazor</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/65/GB-AirRaidMovie.jpg</url> <name>Air Raid (Movie)</name> <alt>movieverse Air Raid</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/53/GB-PatLeesig.jpg</url> <name>Alex Milne</name> <alt>"Pat Lee"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/df/GB-Alignment.jpg</url> <name>Alignment</name> <alt>"Alignment"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3c/GB-Along_Came_a_Spider.jpg</url> <name>Along Came a Spider</name> <alt>"Along Came a Spider"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1b/GB-Amaou.jpg</url> <name>Hitoshizuku Amaō</name> <alt>Hitoshizuku Amaou</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5e/GB-AndrewWildman.jpg</url> <name>Andrew Wildman</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/bd/GB-AnimationError.jpg</url> <name>Animation error</name> <alt>animation errors</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2e/GB-AngryArcher.jpg</url> <name>Angry Archer</name> <alt>the Angry Archer</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/35/GB-Antagony.jpg</url> <name>Antagony</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5f/GB-apelinq.jpg</url> <name>Apelinq</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d4/GB-ArceeMovie.jpg</url> <name>Arcee (Movie)</name> <alt>movieverse Arcee</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2b/GB-ArkG1.jpg</url> <name>Ark (G1)</name> <alt>the Generation 1 Ark</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8b/GB-Army-building.jpg</url> <name>Army-building</name> <alt>army-building</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b3/GB-AutobootCamp.jpg</url> <name>Autoboot Camp</name> <alt>"Autoboot Camp"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/63/GB-AutobotSpike.jpg</url> <name>Autobot Spike</name> <alt>"Autobot Spike"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c7/GB-BackstopCyb.jpg</url> <name>Backstop (Cybertron)</name> <alt>Cybertron Backstop</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1f/GB-BallJoint.jpg</url> <name>Ball joint</name> <alt>ball joints</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/75/GB-BarricadeMovie.jpg</url> <name>Barricade (Movie)</name> <alt>movieverse Barricade</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/23/GB-BeachcomberG1.jpg</url> <name>Beachcomber (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Beachcomber</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/98/GB-Beastformer.jpg</url> <name>Beastformer</name> <alt>the Beastformers</alt> </item>

<item> <url> http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4e/GB-BeastWarsP2.jpg</url> <name>Beast Wars (Part 2)</name> <alt>"Beast Wars" (Part 2)</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fa/GB-BeforetheStorm.jpg</url> <name>Before the Storm</name> <alt>"Before the Storm"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e2/GB-Black_Sunshine.jpg</url> <name>Black Sunshine</name> <alt>"Black Sunshine"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d3/GB-BlackZarak.jpg</url> <name>Scorponok (G1)</name> <alt>BlackZarak</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d8/GB-BladesG1.jpg</url> <name>Blades</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/10/GB-Blaze.jpg</url> <name>Blaze</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/df/GB-BloodontheTracks.jpg</url> <name>Blood on the Tracks</name> <alt>"Blood on the Tracks"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/cd/GB-BludgeonG1.jpg</url> <name>Bludgeon (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Bludgeon</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/de/GB-Boltax.jpg</url> <name>Boltax</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/89/GB-Botanica.jpg</url> <name>Botanica</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4b/GB-BruticusMaximus.jpg</url> <name>Bruticus Maximus</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7c/GB-Bulkhead.jpg</url> <name>Bulkhead (Animated)</name> <alt>Animated Bulkhead</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/46/GB-BulkheadEnergon.jpg </url> <name>Bulkhead (Energon)</name> <alt>Energon Bulkhead</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/34/GB-BumblebeeAni.jpg</url> <name>Bumblebee (Animated)</name> <alt>Animated Bumblebee</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2a/GB-Bumper.jpg</url> <name>Bumper (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Bumper</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d9/GB-Bumper2.jpg</url> <name>Bumper (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Bumper</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f8/GB-TheBurdenHardestToBear.jpg</url> <name>The Burden Hardest to Bear</name> <alt>"The Burden Hardest to Bear"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/27/GB-CarnageInC-Minor.jpg</url> <name>Carnage in C-Minor</name> <alt>"Carnage in C-Minor"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/6d/GB-CatSCAN.jpg</url> <name>CatSCAN</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/06/GB-Chameleon.jpg</url> <name>Chameleon</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f8/GB-ChaosG1.jpg</url> <name>Chaos (alien)</name> <alt>Chaos</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/64/GB-CheetorBW.jpg</url> <name>Cheetor (BW)</name> <alt>Beast Wars Cheetor</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/de/GB-CircuitBreaker.jpg</url> <name>Circuit Breaker</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4a/GB-CliffjumperG1.jpg</url> <name>Cliffjumper (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Cliffjumper</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/73/GB-ClubCon.jpg</url> <name>Club Con</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/21/GB-CobraCommander.jpg</url> <name>Cobra Commander</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c2/GB-ComingoftheFuzors2.jpg</url> <name>Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)</name> <alt>"Coming of the Fuzors" (Part 2)</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/95/GB-CommandUnit.jpg</url> <name>Command Unit</name> <alt>Command Units</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c8/GB-commercialbumper.jpg</url> <name>commercial bumper</name> <alt>commercial bumpers</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/ac/GB-CosmosG1.jpg</url> <name>Cosmos (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Cosmos</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c8/GB-CoP.jpg</url> <name>Covenant of Primus</name> <alt>the Covenant of Primus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a0/GB-CrosscutDecep.jpg</url> <name>Crosscut (Decepticon)</name> <alt>Decepticon Crosscut</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/73/GB-Cryotek.jpg</url> <name>Cryotek (RID)</name> <alt>Cryotek</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e5/GB-CybDefenseTeam.jpg</url> <name>Cybertron Defense Team</name> <alt>the Cybertron Defense Team</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/93/GB-Cybertronix.jpg</url> <name>Cybertronix</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5a/GB-CyclonusG1.jpg</url> <name>Cyclonus (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Cyclonus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f8/GB-Dancitron.jpg</url> <name>Dancitron</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/63/GB-DanReed.jpg</url> <name>Dan Reed</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/58/GB-DarkAwakening.jpg</url> <name>Dark Awakening</name> <alt>"Dark Awakening"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8d/GB-DavidWise.jpg</url> <name>David Wise</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/ee/GB-Dead-Universe.jpg</url> <name>Dead Universe</name> <alt>the Dead Universe</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5a/GB-DeathsHeadG1.jpg</url> <name>Death%27s Head</name> <alt>Death's Head</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/da/GB_deathsaurus.jpg</url> <name>Deathsaurus</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/0a/GB-DecepticonPatrol.jpg</url> <name>Decepticon Patrol</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/52/GB-Deceptor.jpg</url> <name>Deceptor</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/be/GB-DinobotsStrikeBack.jpg</url> <name>Dinobots Strike Back</name> <alt>"Dinobots Strike Back"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/dc/GB-DirgeG1.jpg</url> <name>Dirge (G1)</name> <alt>Dirge</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d0/GB-DivebombMovie.jpg</url> <name>Divebomb (Movie)</name> <alt>movieverse Divebomb</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3c/GB-DiverBWII.jpg</url> <name>Diver (BWII)</name> <alt>Beast Wars II Diver</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1b/GB-Finkleberg.jpg</url> <name>Donny Finkleberg</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/78/GB-DrArkeville.jpg</url> <name>Doctor Arkeville</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/68/GB-ArmadaIssue9.jpg</url> <name>Dreamwave Armada issue 9</name> <alt>Dreamwave's Armada #9</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/30/GB-DryRun.jpg</url> <name>Dry Run!</name> <alt>"Dry Run!"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/72/GB-DuelFightGBC.jpg</url> <name>Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors%27 Strongest Decisive Battle</name> <alt>Duel Fight Transformers</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f6/GB-Dull_Surprise.jpg</url> <name>Dull surprise</name> <alt>dull surprise</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c8/GB-CliffjumperG1a.jpg</url> <name>Earl Norem</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/95/GB-G1ElitaOne.jpg</url> <name>Elita One</name> <alt>Generation 1 Elita One</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8e/GB-Energon.jpg</url> <name>Energon (G1)</name> <alt>energon</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/af/GB-Energoncartoon.jpg</url> <name>Energon (cartoon)</name> <alt>the Energon cartoon</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/ff/GB-EntertheNightbird.jpg</url> <name>Enter the Nightbird</name> <alt>"Enter the Nightbird"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a8/GB-Facial_hair.jpg</url> <name>Facial hair</name> <alt>Transformers facial hair</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f8/GB-Falcia.jpg</url> <name>Falcia</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a5/GB-ThefallenG1.jpg</url> <name>The Fallen</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a8/GB-Fang.jpg</url> <name>Fang</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a2/GB-FireintheSky.jpg</url> <name>Fire in the Sky</name> <alt>"Fire in the Sky"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fa/GB-FireOnTheMountain.jpg</url> <name>Fire on the Mountain</name> <alt>"Fire on the Mountain"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/ee/GB-Fishtest.jpg</url> <name>The Fish Test</name> <alt>"The Fish Test"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/48/GB-FixerBug.jpg</url> <name>Fixer Bug</name> <alt>Fixer Bugs</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8d/GB-FlameUKcomic.jpg</url> <name>Flame (UK comic)</name> <alt>Flame</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/91/GB-Flashbox.jpg</url> <name>Flashbox</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/96/GB-FlattopUK.jpg</url> <name>Flattop (Autobot)</name> <alt>Autobot Flattop</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f1/GB-Flying_Island.jpg</url> <name>Flying island</name> <alt>the Vok's flying island</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c0/GB-Fred.jpg</url> <name>Fred (Armada)</name> <alt>Fred</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/6e/GB-Furmanism.jpg</url> <name>Furmanism</name> <alt>"Furmanisms"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b4/GB-GasSkunk.jpg</url> <name>Gas Skunk</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/50/GB-Gas_station.jpg</url> <name>Gas station</name> <alt>the Micromaster gas station</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/38/GB-GB.jpg</url> <name>G.B. Blackrock</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/94/GB-Generation2.jpg</url> <name>Generation 2 (franchise)</name> <alt>Transformers: Generation 2</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/65/GB-Generations.jpg</url> <name>Transformers Generations</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7e/GB-Generics.jpg</url> <name>Generic</name> <alt>"generic" Transformer designs</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1f/GB-GirlWhoLovedPowerglide.jpg</url> <name>The Girl Who Loved Powerglide</name> <alt>"The Girl Who Loved Powerglide"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/23/GB-Gnaw.jpg</url> <name>Gnaw</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/39/GB-G1GoBots.jpg</url> <name>GoBots (G1)</name> <alt>the GoBots</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fc/GB-Golden_disk.jpg </url> <name>Golden Disk (disambiguation)</name> <alt>the Golden Disks</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/11/GB-GoldenLagoon.jpg</url> <name>The Golden Lagoon</name> <alt>"The Golden Lagoon"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/18/GB-goo.jpg </url> <name>Goo</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/32/GB-GrimlocksNewBrain.jpg</url> <name>Grimlock%27s New Brain</name> <alt>"Grimlock's New Brain"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/39/GB-GrappleG1.jpg</url> <name>Grapple (G1)</name> <alt>Grapple</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/42/GB-Grizzly1.jpg</url> <name>Grizzly-1</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/23/GB-Hacksaw.jpg</url> <name>Hacksaw</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/47/GB-HanSolo.jpg</url> <name>Han Solo</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/33/GB-HatePlague.jpg</url> <name>Hate Plague</name> <alt>the Hate Plague</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f5/GB-Headmasters_(comic).jpg</url> <name>Headmasters (comic)</name> <alt>the Headmasters comic</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/6e/GB-HHR.jpg</url> <name>HHR</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b6/GB-Holomatter.jpg</url> <name>Holomatter</name> <alt>holomatter</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/37/GB-Hunter-O%27Nion.jpg</url> <name>Hunter O%27Nion</name> <alt>Hunter O'Nion</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/37/GB-ImprosonedInferno.jpg</url> <name>Improsoned Inferno</name> <alt>"Improsoned Inferno" (sic)</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/99/GB-Infiltration-Protocol.jpg</url> <name>Infiltration protocol</name> <alt>the infiltration protocol</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8a/GB-IrwinSpoon.jpg</url> <name>Irwin Spoon</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/35/GB-Jaam.jpg</url> <name>JaAm</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/6b/GB-Japanese_themes.jpg </url> <name>Japanese themes</name> <alt>Japanese theme songs</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f1/GB-JazzMovie.jpg</url> <name>Jazz (Movie)</name> <alt>movieverse Jazz</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1d/GB-JohnHenry.jpg</url> <name>John Henry</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c6/GB-KellyRID.jpg</url> <name>Kelly</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/9e/GB-Key_to_Vector_Sigma.jpg</url> <name>Key to Vector Sigma</name> <alt>the Key to Vector Sigma</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2c/GB-KickbackG1.jpg</url> <name>Hearts of Steel</name> <alt>Hearts of Steel</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/6e/GB-KickerJones.jpg</url> <name>Kicker</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/ef/GB-Kremzeek.jpg</url> <name>Kremzeek</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/63/GB-Lady_Jaye.jpg</url> <name>Lady Jaye</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8b/GB-Ladybird.jpg</url> <name>Ladybird Books</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7a/GB-Leader1Armada.jpg</url> <name>Leader-1 (Armada)</name> <alt>Armada Leader-1</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b4/GB-LegacyofUnicron.jpg</url> <name>The Legacy of Unicron!</name> <alt>"The Legacy of Unicron!"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a8/GB-Lennox.jpg</url> <name>William Lennox</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a6/GB-ukletters.jpg</url> <name>Letters page (Marvel UK)</name> <alt>the Marvel UK letters page</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/02/GB-Lipole.jpg</url> <name>Lipole</name> <name>lipoles</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/0d/GB-Lori.jpg</url> <name>Lori</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/12/GB-M9-2HarpoonGun.jpg</url> <name>M9-2 Harpoon Gun</name> <alt>the M9-2 Harpoon Gun</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b3/GB-Machination.jpg</url> <name>Machination</name> <alt>the Machination</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/35/GB-Magnificence.jpg</url> <name>Magnificence</name> <alt>the Magnificence</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/77/GB-Malignus.jpg</url> <name>Malignus</name> <alt>the Malignus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/0a/GB-MarissaFairborne.jpg</url> <name>Marissa Faireborn</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f5/GB-MartyIsenberg.jpg</url> <name>Marty Isenberg</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a6/GB-MatrixCannon.jpg</url> <name>Matrix Cannon</name> <alt>the Matrix Cannon</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/eb/GB-Max.jpg</url> <name>Max</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a8/GB-Mecannibals.jpg</url> <name>Mecannibal</name> <alt>the Mecannibals</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/15/GB-Megabolt.jpg</url> <name>Megabolt</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5c/GB-MegatronAnimated.jpg</url> <name>Megatron (Animated)</name> <alt>Animated Megatron</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e4/GB-MegatronBW.jpg</url> <name>Megatron (BW)</name> <alt>Beast Wars Megatron</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d1/GB-GigatronCR.jpg</url> <name>Megatron (RID)</name> <alt>Robots in Disguise Megatron</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fd/GB-MeltdownAni.jpg</url> <name>Meltdown (Animated)</name> <alt>Animated Meltdown</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/79/GB-Metallikato.jpg</url> <name>Metallikato</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/59/GB-Mindset.jpg</url> <name>Mindset</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/84/GB-Minerva.jpg</url> <name>Minerva</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/71/GB-Mirror.jpg</url> <name>Mirror</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/ca/GB-MixmasterAni.jpg</url> <name>Mixmaster (Animated)</name> <alt>Animated Mixmaster</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/83/GB-Monstructor.jpg</url> <name>Monstructor</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5a/GB-Multilingual.jpg</url> <name>multilingual packaging</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/74/GB-Nebulos.jpg</url> <name>Nebulos</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7e/GB-NekomimiAandB.jpg</url> <name>Nekomimi A and Nekomimi B</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8a/GB-NemesisPrimeIDW.jpg</url> <name>Nova Prime</name> <alt>Nova/Nemesis Prime</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/ff/GB-Neon.jpg</url> <name>Neon</name> <alt>neon! Ow</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c2/GB-NightbeatG1.jpg</url> <name>Nightbeat (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Nightbeat</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/42/GB-NightbeatArmada.jpg</url> <name>Nightbeat (Armada)</name> <alt>Armada Nightbeat</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/bd/GB-NightscreamClassics.jpg</url> <name>Nightscream (Classics)</name> <alt>Classics Nightscream</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a4/GB-O.jpg</url> <name>"O"</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/34/GB-Oparts.jpg</url> <name>O-Part</name> <alt>the O-Parts</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d4/GB-ontheedgeofextinction.jpg</url> <name>On the Edge of Extinction!</name> <alt>"On the Edge of Extinction!"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/19/GB-OptimusMinor.jpg</url> <name>Optimus Minor</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/99/GB-G1prime.jpg</url> <name>Optimus Prime (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Optimus Prime</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/86/GB-RiDPrime.jpg</url> <name>Optimus Prime (RID)</name> <alt>Robots in Disguise Optimus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/94/GB-Orbital-Jump.jpg</url> <name>Orbital jump</name> <alt>orbital jumps</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4d/GB-MegatronBW1.jpg</url> <name>Other Victories</name> <alt>"Other Victories"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/36/GB-OtherVoices1.jpg</url> <name>Other Voices, Part 1</name> <alt>"Other Voices" Part 1</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/af/GB-Outback.jpg</url> <name>Outback</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/38/GB-PepsiConvoy.jpg</url> <name>Pepsi Convoy</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/38/GB-photodegradation.jpg</url> <name>Photodegradation</name> <alt>photodegradation</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/01/GB-PickUpBatRobo.jpg</url> <name>Pick-Up (Bat-Robô)</name> <alt>Bat-Robo Pick-Up</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/cc/GB-Plastic.jpg</url> <name>Plastic</name> <alt>plastic</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/cf/GB-PoisonBite.jpg</url> <name>Poison Bite</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/cc/GB-Power_Plans.jpg</url> <name>Power Plans</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/9e/GB-Pretender.jpg</url> <name>Pretender</name> <alt>the Pretenders</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c2/GB-Primus.jpg</url> <name>Primus</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/60/GB-ProfessorPrincess.jpg</url> <name>Professor Princess</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/15/GB-prototype.jpg</url> <name>Prototype</name> <alt>prototypes</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/90/GB-PsychoOrb.jpg</url> <name>Psycho-Orb</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/37/GB-Quintesson.jpg </url> <name>Quintesson</name> <alt>the Quintessons</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a7/GB-Raindance.jpg</url> <name>Raindance</name> </item>

<item> <url> http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e3/GB-RampageBW.jpg</url> <name>Rampage (BW)</name> <alt>Beast Wars Rampage</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/ab/GB-RamulusBW.jpg</url> <name>Ramulus</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3f/GB-Rangefinder.jpg</url> <name>Rangefinder</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/69/GB-RansackG2.jpg</url> <name>Ransack (G2)</name> <alt>Generation 2 Ransack</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7d/GB-Raoul.jpg</url> <name>Raoul</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b5/GB-RatbatG1.jpg</url> <name>Ratbat (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Ratbat</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/87/GB-RatchetG1.jpg</url> <name>Ratchet (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Ratchet</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/0c/GB-Rattrap.jpg</url> <name>Rattrap</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/02/GB-Razorbeast.jpg</url> <name>Razorbeast</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a4/GB-RazorclawTFU.jpg</url> <name>Razorclaw (Universe)</name> <alt>Universe Razorclaw</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3f/GB-RecipeforDisaster.jpg</url> <name>Recipe for Disaster</name> <alt>"Recipe for Disaster"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/30/GB-RedHot.jpg</url> <name>Red Hot</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/09/GB-ReggieSimmons.jpg</url> <name>Reggie Simmons</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/94/GB-RenoWilson.jpg</url> <name>Reno Wilson</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b8/GB-Reproduction.jpg</url> <name>Reproduction</name> <alt>Transformers reproduction</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/0e/GB-Return_of_the_Headmaster.jpg</url> <name>The Return of the Headmaster</name> <alt>"The Return of the Headmaster"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/16/GB-RickAstley.jpg</url> <name>Rick Astley</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/84/GB-Stepper.jpg</url> <name>Ricochet (G1 Autobot)</name> <alt>Targetmaster Ricochet</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3b/GB-RoadblockGIJoe.jpg</url> <name>Roadblock (G.I. Joe)</name> <alt>G.I. Joe's Roadblock</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b3/GB-RodimusShattered.jpg</url> <name>Rodimus (Shattered Glass)</name> <alt>Shattered Glass Rodimus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3a/GB-G1RodimusPrime.jpg</url> <name>Hot Rod</name> <alt>Generation 1 Rodimus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/85/GB-Rorza.jpg</url> <name>Rorza, the Rocket-cycle Racer from Rigel III</name> <alt>Rorza the Rocket-cycle Racer</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/df/GB-Rosanna.jpg</url> <name>Rosanna</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/3d/GB-RotateBlade.jpg</url> <name>Rotate blade</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/8d/GB-Roulette.jpg</url> <name>Roulette</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/ff/GB-RubberduckyBW.jpg</url> <name>Rubber Ducky</name> <alt>the Rubber Ducky</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b6/GB-Ruination.jpg</url> <name>Ruination</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/ec/GB-SaltManZ.jpg</url> <name>Salt-Man Z</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c3/GB-Sari.jpg</url> <name>Sari Sumdac</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/65/GB-Scale.jpg</url> <name>Scale</name> <alt>scale (or lack of)</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2b/GB-ScavengerBM.jpg</url> <name>Scavenger (BM)</name> <alt>Beast Machines Scavenger</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/c/c2/GB-ScowlG1.jpg</url> <name>Scowl</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d5/GB-Scraplet.jpg</url> <name>Scraplet</name> <alt>scraplets</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7b/GB-Scrounge.jpg</url> <name>Scrounge</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/22/GB-Scylla.jpg</url> <name>Scylla</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/52/GB-SectorSeven.jpg</url> <name>Sector Seven</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/25/GB-SeekerGroup.jpg</url> <name>Seeker</name> <alt>the Seekers</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b3/GB-Servo.jpg</url> <name>Servo</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/52/GB-shatteredglass.jpg</url> <name>Shattered Glass</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/15/GB-Shatterpoint.jpg</url> <name>Shatterpoint</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fa/GB-Shellformer.jpg</url> <name>Shellformer</name> <alt>shellformers</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/7d/GB-shelfwarmer.jpg</url> <name>Shelfwarmer</name> <alt>shelfwarmers</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2f/GB-ShockblastEnergon.jpg </url> <name>Shockblast (Energon)</name> <alt>Shockblast</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e5/GB-Shockwave.jpg</url> <name>Shockwave (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Shockwave</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e4/GB-SignalFlareEn.jpg</url> <name>Signal Flare (Energon)</name> <alt>Energon Signal Flare</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/99/GB-SilverboltBW.jpg</url> <name>Silverbolt (BW)</name> <alt>Beast Wars Silverbolt</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b5/GB-SimonBelmondo.jpg</url> <name>Simon Belmondo</name> <alt>Simon Belmont</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/af/GB-furman.jpg</url> <name>Simon Furman</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/90/GB-SkidsG1.jpg</url> <name>Skids (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Skids</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b8/GB-SkybyteRID.jpg</url> <name>Sky-Byte</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/bf/GB-SkyLynxG1.jpg</url> <name>Sky Lynx (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Sky Lynx</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/6/60/GB-SkywarpBW2.jpg</url> <name>Skywarp (BWII)</name> <alt>Beast Wars II Skywarp</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/ab/GB-SmokescreenG2.jpg</url> <name>Smokescreen (G2)</name> <alt>Generation 2 Smokescreen</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/0d/GB-Space_Bridge.jpg</url> <name>Space bridge</name> <alt>space bridges</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/90/GB-SpaceMini-ConTeam.jpg</url> <name>Space Mini-Con Team</name> <alt>the Space Mini-Con Team</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e8/GB-Spaceshot.jpg</url> <name>Spaceshot</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f1/GB-Springer.jpg</url> <name>Springer</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/ad/GB-StarscreamMovie.jpg</url> <name>Starscream (Movie)</name> <alt>movieverse Starscream</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/01/GB-StarUpper.jpg</url> <name>Star Upper</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1b/GB-StellaHolley.jpg</url> <name>Stella Holley</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/1a/GB-StickerAdventures.jpg</url> <name>Sticker Adventures</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/bd/GB-Stratotronic_Jet.jpg</url> <name>Stratotronic Jet</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4b/GB-Sunstreaker.jpg</url> <name>Sunstreaker</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/ab/GB-TAI.jpg</url> <name>T-AI</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/8/83/GB-TapoutG1.jpg</url> <name>Tap-Out</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/f0/GB-TaraStrong.jpg</url> <name>Tara Strong</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e7/GB-Target2006.jpg</url> <name>Target: 2006</name> <alt>"Target: 2006"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/0/08/GB-Teletraan_15.gif</url> <name>Teletraan 15</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/5/5d/GB-thingsthatdontexist.jpg</url> <name>Category:Things_that_don%27t_exist</name> <alt>things that don't exist</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/9/9d/GB-ThunderblastDecep.jpg</url> <name>Thunderblast (Decepticon)</name> <alt>Decepticon Thunderblast</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/18/GB-G1Thunderwing.jpg</url> <name>Thunderwing (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Thunderwing</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/ab/GB-TigatronBW.jpg</url> <name>Tigatron</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/21/GB-TommyKennedy.jpg</url> <name>Tommy Kennedy</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/df/GB-TorquerifleG1.jpg</url> <name>Torque rifle</name> <alt>the torque rifle</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/ed/GB-toy.jpg</url> <name>Toy</name> <alt>toys</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/71/GB-ToySwapping.JPG</url> <name>Toy swapping</name> <alt>toy swapping</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4f/GB-TransformersUniverseActionBlast1Part1.jpg</url> <name>Action Blast 1 Part 1</name> <alt>Universe Action Blast 1</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/32/GB-AGoBoxOfYourOwn.jpg</url> <name>Transformers_Wiki:A_GoBox_of_your_own!</name> <alt>a GoBox of your own</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e1/GB-Bulkhead_hat.jpg</url> <name>Transformer clothing</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a4/GB-PDTF.jpg</url> <name>Transformer PD Type</name> <alt>"Transformer PD Type"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/33/GB-TranswarpCruiser.jpg</url> <name>Transwarp cruiser</name> <alt>the Transwarp Cruiser</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/f/fd/GB-TurboBatRobo.jpg</url> <name>Turbo</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d7/GB-Ultra-Energon.jpg</url> <name>Ultra-Energon</name> <alt>Ore-13</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/3/38/GB-UltraMagnusEn.jpg</url> <name>Ultra Magnus (Energon)</name> <alt>Energon Ultra Magnus</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/eb/GB-Unicron.jpg</url> <name>Unicron#G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers</name> <alt>Unicron</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/de/GB-unicronsingularity.jpg</url> <name>Unicron Singularity</name> <alt>the Unicron Singularity</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a3/GB-UnreleasedToys.jpg</url> <name>Unreleased toy</name> <alt>unreleased toys</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/df/GB-VVH.jpg</url> <name>Variable Voltage Harness</name> <alt>the variable voltage harness</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/b6/GB-Vehicon.jpg</url> <name>Vehicon (BM)</name> <alt>the Vehicons</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/a/a6/GB-Verity-Carlo.jpg</url> <name>Verity Carlo</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/2/2c/GB-Void.jpg</url> <name>Void</name> <alt>the void</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/b/bc/GB-Waspinator.jpg</url> <name>Waspinator</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/43/GB-Web_World.jpg</url> <name>Webworld</name> <alt>"Webworld"</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/4/4b/GB-Wheelie.jpg</url> <name>Wheelie</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/e/e7/GB-Windcharger.jpg</url> <name>Windcharger (G1)</name> <alt>Generation 1 Windcharger</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/7/74/GB-Wiretap.jpg</url> <name>Wire Tap V20</name> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/d/d6/GB-WolfangPred.jpg</url> <name>Wolfang (BWTS)</name> <alt>Predacon Wolfang</alt> </item>

<item> <url>http://tfwiki.net/w2/images2/1/16/GB-WreckGarAni.jpg</url> <name>Wreck-Gar (Animated)</name> <alt>Animated Wreck-Gar</alt> </item>

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central

2009-03-17T00:02:05Z

207.224.69.82: /* Restoring account status */

Talk:Main Page

2009-03-16T03:29:57Z

207.224.69.82: /* What happen? */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

__TOC__

Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

==What happen?==

So...what on Earth has happened to the TFWiki? Also, for some reason the old Wikia seems to have gained all of the articles that are now missing from here. (Such as the Season 3 animated stuff)
:Seems to me that we've reverted to a June 2008 version of the database which could be really bad news. Some of my articles [[Macabre]] for example are at the old site but not here, which would make sense since I wrote it in September 2008 before we moved here. I don't even have a login here anymore - Emvee :( [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:31, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like our brain-damaged friend is back again.
:::There's some more info on the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1155749 wiki thread in the Allspark forums]. Looks like an upgrade handled very very sloppily. I'm hoping once they restore the old database it'll overwrite the changes made in the interim, seeing as how our favorite Idiot Vandal With No Life is on a rampage. (Sigh.) Wiping out his stupid crap in one go would be priceless. (This is Jeysie, BTW.) --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 19:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Thank Primus. I was worried someone had hacked in and deleted the database. The thought of 6 months work lost filled me with dread. --abates 19:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ditto. Dread all round here too. Good to know it's in hand. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::You know... assuming it does get overwritten so we don't have to worry about undoing it, watching our pet vandal complain about how the wiki malfunctioning prevents him from vandalizing properly is one of the most morbidly hilarious things I've seen in a while. -Jeysie --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Don't I know it, I was just having a laugh at that with the other half :) --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, there are some benefits about this. On the one hand, people don't have to worry about being spoiled about TransWarped. On the other, we get to see Assaulthead self-destruct in rage as he can't vandalize the wiki. However, there is one concern: What if they can't retrieve the lost information? -- (SFH) [[Special:Contributions/67.164.210.225|67.164.210.225]] 20:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm assuming that Bookworm made a database backup before he started work. Should be fairly simple to upload it again. Which means this conversation never happened. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've decided I don't want to think about what happens if he didn't. (Realistically about all we could do is a crapload of trawling through Google's cache, but even then we'd pretty much be seriously hosed.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:18, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I didn't spot this thread until right after emailing Suki and Walky (one knows the code well, the other is right by the servers) about the situation (though I figure they already know), as I thought it might have been Assaulthead showing a heretofore hidden hacking genius. (Hey, if Bulkhead can be a space bridge genius...) I hope to heck we don't lose all those months of work. Someone really needs to work on that update process... --Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 20:21, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::It would be a real pain if all that work was lost. I hope it's not. How long would it take to get everything back up again? --Tribor

Guys, stop worrying and check out the community portal talk page. That's been restored and its last post was only a couple of days ago. Unless that's the ''only'' page on the enitire wiki that was backed-up, the most that could maybe have been lost is a couple of days' worth. (Okay, as soon as I wrote this, that page got fucked up, too.) The main thing to think about is first-time visitors seeing the site like this. - Magnus Maximus
:I just find it sad that the only person who can log in (with multiple usernames, it seems) is the guy with the (so imaginative) gift for profanity. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:49, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

What worries me, is... why is the database even that far back? Even if we somehow lost everything, we should at least be stuck in how the wiki looked when we first arrived, but we've been rolled almost three months before that. (The last edits in the histories all seem to be mid-June 2008, but didn't we move here in mid-September 2008?) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:02, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, but IIRC we moved in with an older backup and ended up losing a little bit of stuff? -hx [[Special:Contributions/24.30.97.198|24.30.97.198]] 21:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Only a few weeks at most, though, IIRC, not three months' worth. (Not that it really matters if we did lose everything, it just makes me even more worried that this backup/upgrade wasn't done right.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:24, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I just don't uderstand why there wasn't a working failsafe in case something like this happened. I mean come on have you ever heard of an SD card or floppy disk? --E-Bot
Somebody set up us the bomb. --Interrobang 21:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Straight up! I agree, it dosesn't make any sense Dawg. Yo but you know i'm still concerned if something like this could happen again, and if the damage could much more worse than it is now. --The Man 21:19, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::There had been discussion for several months about creating a proper back-up system.
::::No one really thought it was important. *eyeroll* -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 23:00, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::I had a look at the page for exporting the database a week or so ago but couldn't work out how to make it give me any data. I kinda wish I'd stuck at it now. Oh well, I'm just hanging out for some sort of official word on what's happening now... --abates 23:09, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Who are we gonna get the offical word from? Admin? I've only been able to track two. This is what really gets me though, I've put more work into this wiki in the past four months than any other time. But I'm kinda doubting that this entire thing was Assualthead, even though his fancy with profanity is some kind of wonderment. I hate worrying because it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:25, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Walky just [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/481400.html blogged] on the matter.
::::::It looks like our host decided to spontaneously upgrade our software without warning or asking us first, forgot to make a database backup while doing so, things got corrupted and now he's slapped in the database we had during transition just to get things working while he digs through the backup archives to find the most up-to-date regular update.
::::::(I am not relaxing until this update is in-hand. That's the kind of flim-flam answer I usually associate with "oops it's all gone" unless I'm informed somethign is going to happen AHEAD of time.) -Derik

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since we're one of the largest, highest-traffic wikis on Wikia, I don't think the people who object to "the funny" are a significant enough constituency to force us to change.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not everyone likes peanut butter! Therefore they should stop making peanut butter. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Should we have info boxes==
{{Transformers character|
name =Blitzwing
|image =blitzwing-animated.jpg
|caption =
|affiliation =Decepticon
|subgroup =Voyagers [[Triple Changer]]
|function =Berserker
|partner =
|motto =''"Whoooo, I'm freaking out!"'' <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing Character bios for Transformers Animated characters]</ref>
|alternatemodes = Dual-Barreled Assault Tank/Fighter Jet
|series =[[Transformers: Animated]]
|engvoice = [[Bumper Robinson]]
|japanvoice =
}}

It is to include some detail like this for example

:It was decided against long ago for many logistical nightmare reasons, the primary ones being that so many characters have very different bodies, affiliations, functions, mottos, jump continuities... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It would be a nightmare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I see. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 09:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:What is Optimsu Prime (G1)'s altmode? He's has close to 50. Even if 50% of them are trucks... the other 25 aren't. Character abilities, weapons and allegiance have shifted over ltierally millions of years, as have their bodies, catchphrases, names- and even genders.
:We've taken a serious look at character boxes at least 3 times, and every proposal, no matter comprehensive, it's easy to find a character for which the box simply... ''breaks'', being unable to accommodate the diversity of experience the character has had.
:Character boxes are a good idea, they provide a quick thumbnail overview of a character's history... but we don't want thumbnail overviews, we want in-depth infromation. If you wanted a thumbnail overview, go to Wikipedia, which deletes and trims articles containing 'unnecessarily in-depth information.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Main Page

2009-03-16T03:00:30Z

207.224.69.82: /* What happen? */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive3|Archive3]]

==What happen?==

So...what on Earth has happened to the TFWiki? Also, for some reason the old Wikia seems to have gained all of the articles that are now missing from here. (Such as the Season 3 animated stuff)
:Seems to me that we've reverted to a June 2008 version of the database which could be really bad news. Some of my articles [[Macabre]] for example are at the old site but not here, which would make sense since I wrote it in September 2008 before we moved here. I don't even have a login here anymore - Emvee :( [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:31, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like our brain-damaged friend is back again.
:::There's some more info on the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1155749 wiki thread in the Allspark forums]. Looks like an upgrade handled very very sloppily. I'm hoping once they restore the old database it'll overwrite the changes made in the interim, seeing as how our favorite Idiot Vandal With No Life is on a rampage. (Sigh.) Wiping out his stupid crap in one go would be priceless. (This is Jeysie, BTW.) --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 19:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Thank Primus. I was worried someone had hacked in and deleted the database. The thought of 6 months work lost filled me with dread. --abates 19:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ditto. Dread all round here too. Good to know it's in hand. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::You know... assuming it does get overwritten so we don't have to worry about undoing it, watching our pet vandal complain about how the wiki malfunctioning prevents him from vandalizing properly is one of the most morbidly hilarious things I've seen in a while. -Jeysie --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Don't I know it, I was just having a laugh at that with the other half :) --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, there are some benefits about this. On the one hand, people don't have to worry about being spoiled about TransWarped. On the other, we get to see Assaulthead self-destruct in rage as he can't vandalize the wiki. However, there is one concern: What if they can't retrieve the lost information? -- (SFH) [[Special:Contributions/67.164.210.225|67.164.210.225]] 20:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm assuming that Bookworm made a database backup before he started work. Should be fairly simple to upload it again. Which means this conversation never happened. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've decided I don't want to think about what happens if he didn't. (Realistically about all we could do is a crapload of trawling through Google's cache, but even then we'd pretty much be seriously hosed.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:18, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I didn't spot this thread until right after emailing Suki and Walky (one knows the code well, the other is right by the servers) about the situation (though I figure they already know), as I thought it might have been Assaulthead showing a heretofore hidden hacking genius. (Hey, if Bulkhead can be a space bridge genius...) I hope to heck we don't lose all those months of work. Someone really needs to work on that update process... --Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 20:21, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::It would be a real pain if all that work was lost. I hope it's not. How long would it take to get everything back up again? --Tribor

Guys, stop worrying and check out the community portal talk page. That's been restored and its last post was only a couple of days ago. Unless that's the ''only'' page on the enitire wiki that was backed-up, the most that could maybe have been lost is a couple of days' worth. (Okay, as soon as I wrote this, that page got fucked up, too.) The main thing to think about is first-time visitors seeing the site like this. - Magnus Maximus
:I just find it sad that the only person who can log in (with multiple usernames, it seems) is the guy with the (so imaginative) gift for profanity. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:49, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

What worries me, is... why is the database even that far back? Even if we somehow lost everything, we should at least be stuck in how the wiki looked when we first arrived, but we've been rolled almost three months before that. (The last edits in the histories all seem to be mid-June 2008, but didn't we move here in mid-September 2008?) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:02, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, but IIRC we moved in with an older backup and ended up losing a little bit of stuff? -hx [[Special:Contributions/24.30.97.198|24.30.97.198]] 21:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Only a few weeks at most, though, IIRC, not three months' worth. (Not that it really matters if we did lose everything, it just makes me even more worried that this backup/upgrade wasn't done right.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:24, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I just don't uderstand why there wasn't a working failsafe in case something like this happened. I mean come on have you ever heard of an SD card or floppy disk? --E-Bot
Somebody set up us the bomb. --Interrobang 21:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Straight up! I agree, it dosesn't make any sense Dawg. Yo but you know i'm still concerned if something like this could happen again, and if the damage could much more worse than it is now. --The Man 21:19, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::There had been discussion for several months about creating a proper back-up system.
::::No one really thought it was important. *eyeroll* -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 23:00, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We try to when we can, but usually that involves a big push to improve the given article to featured article standards.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: If someone was just going through the Wikia wikis they might assume that this wiki is a bit quiet. What about just chosing some of the bigger articles every now and again? The larger ones tend to the most highly polished, researched and moderated articles. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:20, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the big articles need work because alot of the stuff in them was written in 2006 before we established standards. For instance, G1 Ratchet's article was featured last year I believe, but it was really unevenly written in terms of quality. I mean, for some reason half of the article eschewed storylinks in favour of references. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:We probably should set up some ground rules on what makes a featured article. Right now, it's pretty much what ever Walky wants. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:34, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
Thunderwing, Nice. --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in disguise]]

Out of curiosity, how often does it change, or is it just on a whim? [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 14:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Funny ==
I think we should remove the funny nes on the page, If it stays, It will sound like a child has being messing up this place and Other people will think it doesn't make sense. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 09:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:You're going to find yourself in the minority regarding this opinion.--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 13:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, Ranger, people are more likely to think this wiki "doesn't make sense" if it's edited by people who can't spell, conjugate, or use capital letters correctly. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:37, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Who made this again. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 19:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:If that's a question, I don't understand it. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

But we should Make the images Info not funny, Transformers is ment to be serious, not funny. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:47, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Bullshit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Transformers be [[Bee in the City|'''''serious business''''']] yo. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:Sir, your erudite argument has at last shown me the light. I have been in error all this time, and you have turned the glare of knowledge against the darkness of my ignorance. Verily, we must all change our ways, and treat the stories about outer space robots that turn into cars as Serious Business. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

But it is unencyclopediac. It looks like a two year old vandalism. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 11:33, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for sharing your viewpoint, but, you are very much in the minority. If you object that strongly, start your own Transformers wiki and make it boring. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:: Or just read the transformers entries on wikipedia. I'm also guessing most people don't like it when you call our writing "like a two year old vandalism". [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 03:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Face it! Not Everyone likes funny wikis. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:25, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Since we're one of the largest, highest-traffic wikis on Wikia, I don't think the people who object to "the funny" are a significant enough constituency to force us to change.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:27, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not everyone likes peanut butter! Therefore they should stop making peanut butter. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
So, uh, what happened to the ability to type something into the text box, click "search," and not have it take me directly to a page, but give me a list of pages the term appears in instead? There is no search button on the front page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:For as long as I've used the wiki, the Search function has only done that for me if what I've typed didn't match the title of any article exactly. As for the front page, I still see the Search box. I don't know if it makes a difference, but I'm using the Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:12, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::That doesn't match my experiences. I could type in "Megatron," click Search, and then it'd give me a list of pages that mention "Megatron" in the body of the text. It was very useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:54, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::On the topic of the Monaco skin, can we get some admin feedback on the Monaco skin discussion, please? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::To be sure, yes, that would be useful. As it is, now you'd have to type something like "Megatron's" or "Megatron" and another word to get similar results. And yeah, I've seen notices for the admins from [[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] asking for feedback and wondered when that was going to be resolved.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:Regarding the search box - typing something into the box and hitting "enter," or clicking "go," is the option that takes you directly to the page with the title you've typed. Typing something into the box and actually clicking the button marked "search" is the option that brings up a list of stuff containing the term, and that's the button we appear to have lost here (although on my screen at least, it's coming and going intermittently, but that's probably a browser cache thing). I've not got the Monaco skin on, but regarding that, I rather like it, and I'd like to see it implimented. There's something very "bare bones" about our set up here, and of course, I know that we kinda have that as a show of "not taking everything too seriously," but I'd personally like to see the Monaco skin in use. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:30, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same function is in the "Advanced Search" link. Am I the only one who sees it or something? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Cripes, I can't insert a comment before three more jump in before me. No, there's definitely no Search button visible in the Monaco skin as I'm using it, just an arrow with a magnifying glass icon in it (the equivalent of the "Go" button, obviously). I see the "Advanced search" link too, but it doesn't offer quite the same function, in that it doesn't default to the "all text occurrences" option. Rather, you have to choose settings to get that. Not a terrible extra step, but still...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I see the advanced search link. I also ''REALLY LIKE'' the new 'random page image link' above the search box. Who do I have to thank for that? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I put it in, but it was Siph's idea. Breaking the "Search" button under non-Monaco themes was also my doing, I'm afraid; I was a little zealous with putting in a more useful search and it didn't quite work. It should be back in a day or two. I somehow totally missed any discussion on Monaco coming up; I'll get to commenting on that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Primarily Wookieepedia for the idea, Blitz for the implementation, and I suppose me for harraunging her about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::A random page on search function is really a good idea because that would make us know about more characters. By the way, I think there still need a normal ''search button'' in the original place . :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Then I thank you guys for it. '''IF''' we switch to Monaco, is there any way to do a similar function with that skin? I think the function is very helpful for newcomers to the wiki (and Transformers in general) for they don't have to look through lists of names or randomly search for things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think it'd be too hard. If we ''do'' switch to Monaco, there'd need to be some changes done to the search box anyway, since under that, there's no "search" button. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
: Is there a way to make the search image load earlier? Right now it's the very last thing to load; even the flash ads come up earlier. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:: The short answer is no, unfortunately. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:56, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Why does the bar show pictures of random characters, but when you go to their pages they have no visual representation? [[User:90.198.228.42|90.198.228.42]] 20:28, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because... I don't know really. I don't know why the powers-at-be chose to create these little search pictures for characters that have no pictures. One would think if they had a reasonably sized image to create the search button picture, they could have uploaded the full size image for the page itself. And/or create searchbox pic-links for characters that DO have decent visual representation AND largely completed articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
==Familial relationships==

Should we put something up, relating to the idea of siblings or such[[User:GWolfv2]]
:See [[Relatives]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Redesigning the front page ==

Now that the Monaco skin is the default, and Toughpigs is around to help us out, I suggest we figure out a way to redesign the front page so it isn't just a columns of text. Is there any reasonable way for us to have the franchises in the By Series (or anywhere else, really) represented by the franchise logos? The logos can be as recognisable as the names alone, and given we're getting more and more visitors every day, it would be helpful to make the place more visually pleasing and more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's still a [[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2#Logos_for_.27By_series.27_column|bad idea]]. The logos were never designed to look good together, and some (like the 2007 movie) are anti-informative. If you can present a design that somehow makes it work, please do. But I don't see how the new skin changes the basic problems. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::I tend to think the Main Page and its columns of text are just fine as is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Also, wouldn't it perhaps be best to wait a few days for everyone to get home from BotCon before starting a discussion on more major changes like this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Didn't stop Toughpigs redesigning the whole Wiki... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Toughpigs has been touting the switch to Monaco for quite some time, and he only finally got the nod from an admin just before BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Just wanted to say I love the new look.

===Ad bar issues with Monaco?===
I don't know if it's just me, but trying to load the Wiki in Firefox results in it loading everything up to the adserver stuff, and then Firefox proceeds to hang the fuck up, completely use up all available memory, and force me to kill it through Task Manager. It's kind of a pain in the ass.(I'm using explorer right now) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:22, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:I've had no troubles with Firefox 2, nor Firefox 3 beta 5.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Improvement Drive ==
I have no idea how long the "Improvement Drive" column has been there, but it's a great idea, content-wise. However, IMO the links it contains should really be a permanent part of the Help/Start Here column. It's the kind of thing I was talking about [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 a while ago]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:56, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Giving this a bump. Input, anyone? Anyone? If nobody protests, I'd like to merge the contents of the "Improvement drive" section with the "Start here" section. Perhaps a blurb on a more specialized improvement drive -- say, our long-dormant BW improvement drive -- could take the place of the current one. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this one last bump. If nobody objects, I'm making the changes. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:One of the reasons the Improvement Drive was disbanded on Wookieepedia was because we instead formed projects such as "Tales of the Jedi project" "The New Essential Chronology project". This allowed us to focus on groups of articles which were in need of updating instead of simply one article. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I fully support a "Project" initiative. (Cough cough prose stories cough.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I can definitely live with that - it looks like one of the new users is actually working on RiD stuff, which is an area that I've felt could use more coverage - it's not my area of knowledge, tho. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. I know a lot about the fiction in GENERAL, but when it comes to what happened in what specific episodes and issues? Not so much. Toys are more my forte... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:49, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It doesn't help that most of us would need to import the DVDs to write about the fiction. I've been thinking of doing that, but I've already bought a couple of hundred dollars worth of TF DVDs I don't really need soley for writing and screen capping articles for the wiki, which upon reflection is a little insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see [[User:Repowers/Sandbox]] for a test page. Feel free to tweak and/or comment. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:I weaked the disclaimer, added a countdown to TF2 clock (the page de-caches a couple times a day, so it should remain accurate without having to re-edit, I did a sandbox text to verify) and I got rid of the clickable Animated logo, sicne that template still isn't working right and I haven't figured out how to make it work right.
:Re:Improvement Drive... How about we have a 'goals' list for the month? Like, 20 or 30 articles we want to get up to snuff, chosen for balance. A lot of piddling pages, a few episodes or comics no one's gonna get around to on their own, and one or two major character pages. We can track 'em at the end of the month and see how successful we were. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:47, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giving this a bump.
::About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== Main "Transformers Animated" image ==

It really ought to be clickable. Unfortunately, [[:Template:Click]] currently doesn't actually let you center an image-- it probably needs to be rewritten at some point. Unless someone else volunteers, this is mostly just a reminder to myself. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Someone just did that and now the link messes up the main page by covering the links to "Comics", "Generation 1", "(toyline/cartoon/comic)", "Generation 2", and "Help contents". Ugh, it was better off the way it was before. Besides, there was a link to the Animated franchise below the giant logo. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:27, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::What poor excuse for a browser are you using? The TFA logo is ''above'' all that stuff. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The image is, but the link is stretching down over the ones below it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm using Firefox, and the link ends WAY before that. I have no troubles whatsoever. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Sabrblade, to repeat- "What browser are you using?" -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 01:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Internet Explorer 7 is my browser on this particular computer (I use at least three different ones). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:31, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well ''there's'' your problem. IE doesn't follow correct HTML protocol, and each version has a different way of not following it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Just realized I'm having the same problem, using Firefox. The link to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] from the image is like, bleeding down or something, covering up some of the links below it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Well, is there any other browser besides Internet Explorer and Firefox that doesn't have the problem? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:31, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I just went and had a look at [[:Template:Click]] and tried a few things, but it's beyond me. Can we not just do it in html? It would be a hell of a lot simpler...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, with the "no TF:A Dubai spoilers" text written by Chris McFeely, the image no longer covers the G1 and G2 links. It still bleeds down, but only over the link-free text. So until that text gets erased, the image bleeding isn't much of a problem (but it will be again once that text is gone).[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:02, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still covers them for me, and I'm using the latest Firefox. I'm going to edit this until someone can come up with a better solution - removing the Dubai text will just make it bleed lower down the page, surely... [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If any one isn't getting the problem [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error.jpg here is what it looks like] to me. It's the blue highlighted box. [http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h278/Undecided_tmn/Mainpage_error_IE-1.jpg Here is what it looks like in Internet Explorer]. Screen resolution is 1280x1024. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 22:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:I replaced it with an imagemap so it links directly to [[Transformers Animated (franchise)]]. Given that the same image is at the top of that page, I don't think we need the main page to link to the Image page if the only way of doing so messes up the rest of the page. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:50, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Imagemap is working on wikia now? Yay! IIRC it wasn't 18 months ago when you originally took a stab at <nowiki>{{click}}</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Just to check, can imagemap be set to pave part of the image link to the Image page, or is Click the only thing that can do that. (You'd think a template specificly created for use on the Wikia wiki wouldn't have these issues) --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:14, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wikipedia has a template like this that puts a little blue 'i' in the corner of an image- you click on that to get info about it. In this case it's moot-- a single click takes you to the TFA page that lets you access the image info. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

=="TF dates"?==
Something else Wookiepedia does on its frontpage we... might want to look at stealing... Putting up a "__/__/__: _____ was released" history box. I dunno. It would only be for like comic books, DVDs, TV episodes, street-release-date toys, etc. Though I dunno if TF really has enough... stuff to do that with. I dunno. Idle thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:On paper, that's a cool idea. In execution, yeah, I don't think there's quite enough stuff to do it with. We know original episode air dates, and roughly know the street dates of the various comic issues, but we generally have no idea when various and sundry toys hit shelves before, what, '94? If we had enough stuff that there was something to put up at least twice a week (as a "This Week in TF History" thing) I'd say go for it. I guess we could stretch it and add birth dates of TF professionals and that sort of thing, but even then, we're a little sparse, I'd imagine. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Front page weirdness==
When clicking on the link for the Generation 1 (comic) or Generation 2 (comic) on the front page, I get taken to Animated (franchise)...but looking at the code the links appear to be correct, else I'd edit them. I've tried refreshing several times but the link is still wrong...anyone else seeing this? [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] aha, just seen the discussion above about the link "bleeding down"...that would explain it [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==Search==
The current search bar only has a "Go" button,we can't look for articles by using keywords now. How are we supposed to look for things we don't know the name of now?[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:54, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't there a "Search" button right next to the "Go" button? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think there is a search button on the new skin but if you log in and set the wiki back to monobook in your preferences then you'll have a search button [[User:Donutter|Donut]] 21:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
: Are we talking Monaco skin, the one with the little arrow with the magnifying glass in it at the very top-left? Or the Monobook skin? I just put "thunder" in the former, clicked the arrow, and boom (ha ha), search results. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:23, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::But "Thunder" isn't the name of an article. If it were, it would just give you the article without any other search results, even if you clicked on the magnifying-glass arrow. I can't tell if that's what the anthropomorphic IP address above was asking, but I do know I dislike the reduced functionality of Monaco's search box. As far as I can tell, typing a word and hitting Enter is the same as clicking the arrow. You CAN still search for all occurrences of a word by going to the "Search" link underneath the sidebar. But that's annoying for the need to go to a whole 'nother page. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 04:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind,i figured it out now. Just type "Search:" and then the keywoard before pressing enter. for example,to search for Optimus Prime without annoyingly being redirected,type Search:Optimus Prime .[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:33, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
==Disambig pages==

I've seen three formats. The general, more common one like the Screamer one, the Prime style one and the BB one. Shouldn't we just stick with the one?[[User:GWolfv2]] 21.34 May 23rd
:The Prime page has to be like it is because there are so many things with "Prime" in their name that they need to be split. And why would we have a disambuig page for [[BB]]? If you're talking about Bumblebee, I don't think that page should be like that. Pictures do not help when the differences between one character's different bodies is about the same as the difference between his body and one belonging to another guy with the same name. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:00, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

==Prime Image==
Should an image Animated Prime be added to the front page? maybe replace Movie Prime in the picture if it needs to be a particular size? i think it should be updated to reflect the most modern incarnation of the character [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:34, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Problem is, the front page's image is all from Takara's World Of Transformers page. We tried to add AniPrime in there but he didn't fit one bit, so until something better comes along, I do believe this image is going to stay as is. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:47, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Universe 2008==
I think you should ad a Universe 2008 link in the "by Series" section.
[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I got it. I didn't know I could edit the main page.[[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Irony ==

:In a wiki about transformers their alt modes aren't even mentioned ANYWHERE! I find this odd... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 21:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::There's two articles on popular vehicle and animal modes, transformation article etc. You can't list alt with every character when some don't stick with the one [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.11 June 4th
:::You can find the altmodes for characters, usually, on the Toys section of their articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 11:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::psst- subst has to be lowercase. Also- too many colons. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:24, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Just as an example, G1 Optimus is often a semi-cab, but he's also officially transformed into...
* Cybertronic Mobile artillery (Marvel comics, pre-Earth)
* Sportscar (G2)
* Organic bat (super-early BW)
* Cybertronic truck-thing (War Within)
* HISS tank (Devil's Due G.I. Joe)
* Cybertronic pickup (e-hobby Orion Pax toy)
* Some kind of prehistoric animal (Hearts of Steel)
Plus, there was a canceled dump truck Optimus in G2, and plans to make him into a train for Hearts of Steel as well. I don't remember what he turned into for DW's Joe crossover. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Psst- I come from another wikia so it thought I had a sig. And to M Sipher thank you. I still think that should be somewhere in the artical. Maybe under Forms... {{SUBST::User:Crystal lucario/Sig}} 23:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Y'know, it just recently occurred to me that when we scan characters' profile art, we should probably include more than their robot mode. For instance, it seemed like [[:Image:Primal_FPUnivBio.jpg|this pic]] was served by including the gorilla mode because it emphasized the fact that it wasn't his original beast form. Then I uploaded [[:Image:SoundwaveCyb_FPbio.jpg|this image]] and included the jet because it was a particularly well-drawn alt mode. And now that I've done that... I'm going to make a point of including alt-modes whenever I can. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:To save on space (tall images are the BANE of the wiki), I placed the smaller images (such as the alt mode) over part of the large images in a picture, such as [[:Image:G1Bomb-Burst_MTMTE1.jpg|what I did for Bomb Burst]]. Of course, I also mostly did it so the uploaded pics would look similar to the original Pretender boxart arrangement (shell behind, robot in the middle, vehicle in the foreground).
:Little Iron's Soundwave looks GREAT, btw. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

== 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' countdown ==
There's 381 days (as of June 9th, 2008) until 'TF2:ROTF' comes out and already there's a countdown box? I know it's too late to remove it, but don't you think it's a ''little'' too soon to put one up? It's like this one 'Garfield' comic strip that was printed on December 26th with Garfield shutting off his alarm clock and declaring "365 days until Christmas!". Well, atleast the box isn't counting down the hours, minutes, and seconds. -[[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:I started counting down the days in my head as soon as I learned the release date. I think it's all in good fun, no reason to remove it. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 01:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Since no one said anything... ==

The last discussion of a 'goals' list for the month... somewhere... petered out, so I just threw some on the front page. (Mostly nonexistant wanted articles.) They have a 'star' rating to show how complete they are which you can easily edit. Hopefully we can get these to 5 stars by the end of June! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Stubbed two of them already, hopefully with enough info that people can pick up easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:As I said above -
:About the list of "ways to help"... thing is, those up-front lists should be geared toward attracting new editors -- new editors who by definition aren't going to know all the million little persnickety formatting things you have to know to set up a new page. Stuff like "fill in a stub" or "add storylinks" is a lot less intimidating, and a lot easier to slide into, than "here, make this page from scratch." I think an expanded list, akin to what's on my sample sandbox, should be near the top of the page, rather than a bunch of red links. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I would be for that. I wanted a lost of articles that needed to be brought to completion that were already clocked in. I just didn't know which to pick! Sub some out!
::I just-- I like the list because it gives a visible sense of progress (at the end of the month) on articles that no one would be inclined to work on on their own. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

==Should we have info boxes==
{{Transformers character|
name =Blitzwing
|image =blitzwing-animated.jpg
|caption =
|affiliation =Decepticon
|subgroup =Voyagers [[Triple Changer]]
|function =Berserker
|partner =
|motto =''"Whoooo, I'm freaking out!"'' <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=blitzwing Character bios for Transformers Animated characters]</ref>
|alternatemodes = Dual-Barreled Assault Tank/Fighter Jet
|series =[[Transformers: Animated]]
|engvoice = [[Bumper Robinson]]
|japanvoice =
}}

It is to include some detail like this for example

:It was decided against long ago for many logistical nightmare reasons, the primary ones being that so many characters have very different bodies, affiliations, functions, mottos, jump continuities... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:It would be a nightmare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmmmmm, I see. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 09:26, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
:What is Optimsu Prime (G1)'s altmode? He's has close to 50. Even if 50% of them are trucks... the other 25 aren't. Character abilities, weapons and allegiance have shifted over ltierally millions of years, as have their bodies, catchphrases, names- and even genders.
:We've taken a serious look at character boxes at least 3 times, and every proposal, no matter comprehensive, it's easy to find a character for which the box simply... ''breaks'', being unable to accommodate the diversity of experience the character has had.
:Character boxes are a good idea, they provide a quick thumbnail overview of a character's history... but we don't want thumbnail overviews, we want in-depth infromation. If you wanted a thumbnail overview, go to Wikipedia, which deletes and trims articles containing 'unnecessarily in-depth information.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:43, 14 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>