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To Mega Therion

2011-02-25T15:46:54Z

207.38.151.73: Fixed infobox link so that it links directly to the Alternity mainpage instead of being a forward.

{{comicstory
|seriesissue=''[[Alternity (franchise)|Transformers: Alternity]]''
|title="To Mega Therion"
|prev=From Here to Alternity
|next=Arch-Nemesis!
|image=Alternity megatron auto avatars.jpg
|caption=Behold the power of the hyper-scowl!
|published in=June 2009
|packaged with=[[Megatron (G1)/toys#Alternity|Megatron Blade Sliver]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Alternity|Megatron Premium LeMans Blue]]
|art=[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]
|story=[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]
}}

'''Megatron reveals his ultimate plan to take on the Alternity!'''

==Synopsis==
Now joined by [[Convoy Corps|countless other iterations of himself]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] fights to protect the [[Earth]] from the Beast of Time, [[Hytherion]]. Neither he nor his other selves are aware of the lurking form of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s battleship waiting nearby in [[transwarp]] space. Watching the [[Alternity (species)|Alternity]] battle the creature, the [[Decepticon]] warlord reflects on the course of events that had brought him to this point.

A native of the same universe that birthed the Alternity, Megatron had fallen into [[stasis lock]] during the conflicts which led to the [[Timaeus Project]]. As a result, he was in a disabled state during the discovery of [[Alternium]], and when he was eventually revived, the Decepticons were far behind the technological curve, dwarfed by the hyper-dimensional beings many of the [[Autobot]]s had now become. Galled by the prospect of domination by the Autobots, Megatron retreated and set out on a journey which spanned several universes, researching the Alternity and meeting with alternate versions of himself who shared his ambitions. Eventually he learned of Hytherion, and his plan took shape.

Bringing his scheme to fruition, Megatron activates the [[chaotizer]] device within his battleship, which overwrites the higher functions of Hytherion with his own, enslaving the beast. To the forces of the Alternity planetside, it at first appears that the Origin Eater has been killed, but soon two cars nearby lurch to life and transform to robotic forms. Megatron reveals that luring Hytherion to Earth has all been a ruse to gain power equal to that of his hated enemies. He issues his challenge to the Alternity, stating that he will see the galaxy burn, in infinite variation, forever...

==Featured characters==
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|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]
|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
|c4=
*[[Hytherion]]
}}

==Notes==

*The Megatron featured in this story is the Megatron native to the ''[[Alternators|Binaltech]]'' universe, who was last seen in the 2007 story chapter, "[[Kill Switch]]". In that story, he was sent offline when Mirage pulled the [[Quintesson]] [[large switch|killswitch]]; the events following his reawakening some time later are covered in a flashback in this ''Alternity'' chapter.

*"To Mega Therion" and "Master Therion" are titles assumed by Aleister Crowley, according to Wikipedia's [[wikipedia:Therion|Therion disambiguation page]]. However, Crowley's own entry does not list these titles. "Therion" is Greek for "beast" while "mega" is "great", referencing to the [[wikipedia:To Mega Therion|Book of Revelations]]. Megatron's Timaeus Drive refers to one of the characters in Plato's dialogue [[wikipedia:Timaeus (dialogue)|Timaeus]], on the nature of reality.

==Reference==
*[[To Mega Therion/src|Full text translation]]

[[Category: Alternity pack-in fiction]]

From Here to Alternity

2011-02-25T15:46:28Z

207.38.151.73: Fixed infobox link so that it links directly to the Alternity mainpage instead of being a forward.

{{comicstory
|seriesissue=''[[Alternity (franchise)|Transformers: Alternity]]''
|title="From Here to Alternity"
|prev=Unfinished Business, Part 4
|next=To Mega Therion
|image=Alternity convoy boxart.jpg
|caption=
|published in= January 2009
|packaged with= [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Alternity|Convoy Vibrant Red]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Alternity|Convoy Ultimate Silver]]
|story=[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]
}}

'''Optimus Prime is inducted into the Alternity to face a dire threat.'''

==Synopsis==
In [[universal stream]] of Primax 109.0 Beta in the year 2009, the [[Autobot]] forces are investigating a mystery: the appearance of large marks akin to the claws of a gargantuan beast on the most remote planets of [[Earth]]'s solar system. Following the marks' appearance, a mysterious ring of light materializes in the skies above [[Vancouver]], [[Washington]], and the Autobots, led by [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]], arrive on the scene. As they watch, the ring resolves into a shape like a race track, with a silver sports car traveling along it. Optimus Prime commands the Autobots to stand down, revealing that this strange visitor is, in fact, another [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|Optimus Prime]] from a parallel dimension.

Prime reveals this other-dimensional incarnation of himself visited this world once before, two years prior, to deliver a warning: In 2009, their eternal enemy, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|Megatron]], would summon the monstrous "beast of time," [[Hytherion]], to this world. The only thing that would be able to stop the power of Hytherion would be the [[Alternity (franchise)|Alternity]], an incredible race of hyperdimensional beings to which the parallel Optimus belonged. This world's Prime agreed that when the threat of Hytherion appeared, he would join the Alternity and take up the fight.

Now that promised time has come. A portal opens at the heart of the "racetrack", and from it, a vibrant red body emerges. Prime fuses with the body and is absorbed into the Alternity, being reformatted into a form resembling the silver frame of the parallel Prime. His perceptions expanded beyond mere three-dimensional space, Prime looks to the heavens, where the terrifying image of Hytherion's fangs covering the sky is now visible to him!

==Featured characters==
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*[[Optimus Prime (G1)#Alternity|Optimus Prime]] of Primax 109.0 Beta (1)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|Optimus Prime]] of Primax 903.0 Beta (2)
|c2=
|c4=
*[[Hytherion]] (3)
}}

==Notes==

*Although this story takes place in a separate timeline (or [[universal stream]], to use the in-story parlance), much of the backstory for the ''Alternity'' franchise originates with the later stages of the ''[[Alternators|Binaltech]]'' storyline. The existence of the Alternity was first revealed in the 2007 story chapter "[[Binal Time]]"; the substance of their being, [[Alternium]], was introduced in 2008's "Unfinished Business," parts [[Unfinished Business, Part 3|three]] and [[Unfinished Business, Part 4|four]], which also introduced the racetrack-like teleportation system seen in this story, the [[Timaeus drive]]. Only with the release of "From Here to Alternity" did we truly learn what the Alternity was. Subsequent ''Alternity'' chapters would later draw further connections between the world seen in this storyline and the Binaltech universe.

*The other-dimensional Optimus Prime who appears in this story is the Optimus Prime from the ''Binaltech'' universe, which is to say, a divergent version of the incarnation of the character from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].

*"From Here to Alternity" is the first piece of fiction outside of the stories associated with the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] to use the universal stream classification system created by [[Greg Sepelak]] and [[Trent Troop]] for the stories they have produced for the club.

*The title of this story is a reference to the 1953 James Jones novel, "[[Wikipedia:From Here to Eternity (novel)|From Here to Eternity]]"

==Reference==
*[[From Here to Alternity/src|Full text translation]]

[[Category: Alternity pack-in fiction]]

Talk:Lugnut Supreme

2011-02-11T22:57:00Z

207.38.151.73: /* Lugnuts Supreme, not Lugnut Supremes. */

They are only ever called "Omega Supremes" in the show. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:16, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:#They are NEVER called "Omega Supremes". Variations on "Omega Supreme clones" at some points, but "Omega Supreme" is always reserved for [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|the big guy]]. It's never used as a generic term.
:#Endgame, Part II; c. 20:20. Bumblebee: "The Starscream Supremes are history!" - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:38, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::The model sheets identify them as Lugnut Supreme, and I have reason to believe that a future Almanac may refer to them as such as well. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:46, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:: Bumblebee only calls them Starscream Supremes when Starscream's backup programming takes over. On the subject of the term "Starscream Supremes", have we got a ''Cybertron'' reference here? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:32, 10 September 2009 (EDT)

== Lugnuts Supreme, not Lugnut Supremes. ==

It's like "Attorneys General"; the noun (Lugnut or Attorney) is plural, and "supreme/general" is the adjective. Both Supreme and General have identical singular/plural forms. Requesting permission to rewrite page to fix mistake?
: AllSpark Almanac II uses "Lugnuts Supreme," so that's the official pluralization. Normally I'd agree, even in regards to the counter suggestion of "Omegas Supreme" being the plural of "Omega Supreme." Not for the G1 character, when it's just a first and last name, but definitely for Animated, where you can have all sorts of Supremes with different names applied, where "Supreme" works more like a rank or title. But, again, this isn't how the name is pluralized in official sources. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:56, 11 February 2011 (EST)
Well, thanks for being so surprisingly prompt. I changed it on the page for Endgame pt2 because I thought that the page was in error. you can revert that. I wasn't going to change the character page without consensus, though.
:If you weren't willing to change the main article, then why did you bother changing one page? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:00, 11 February 2011 (EST)
I thought that the article (on ENdgame Part 2) had gotten it wrong and that "Lugnuts Supreme" was the accepted spelling on the wiki already. I acted rash, but with only good intentions. [[Special:Contributions/207.38.151.73|207.38.151.73]] 17:57, 11 February 2011 (EST)

Talk:Lugnut Supreme

2011-02-11T06:58:43Z

207.38.151.73: /* Lugnuts Supreme, not Lugnut Supremes. */

Talk:Lugnut Supreme

2011-02-11T06:47:57Z

207.38.151.73: /* Lugnuts Supreme, not Lugnut Supremes. */ new section

Endgame, Part II

2011-02-11T06:44:10Z

207.38.151.73: /* Featured characters */ quick grammatical change. It's "Lugnuts Supreme", like "Attorneys General", not "Lugnut Supremes".

{{disambig2|the ''Animated'' episode|the ''Beast Machines'' episode|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall}}

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|series2=AniJapan
|image=TFA-Endgame-MissionActuallyAccomplished.jpg
|caption=Mission: ACCOMPLISHED!
|ep=42
|ep2=39
|prev2=Endgame, Part I
|title="Endgame, Part II"
|airdate=[[May 23]], [[2009]]
|written by=[[Marsha Griffin]]
|directed by=[[Kalvin Lee]] [[Yoshio Frank Chatani]]
|animation studio=[[Mook]]
}}
'''The Autobots fight to defend Detroit from Megatron and his clones of Omega Supreme.'''

==Synopsis==
Outside the plant, the [[Autobot]]s observe the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s hovering above Detroit. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] wonders what they are, and [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] assumes that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] repurposed [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s [[cloning]] technology to make clones of [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Aboard the main Lugnut Supreme, Megatron decides to start the field test with [[Sumdac Tower]]. [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] pontificates on the greatness of Megatron rather than getting it done, leading the annoyed Decepticon leader to ask [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] if he can control the clones directly yet. However, Shockwave is still working on finding the necessary security patches from [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]'s memory banks, and tells Megatron in an amused tone that he'll have to filter all orders for the clones through Lugnut.

In Detroit, the Lugnuts turn and open fire on Sumdac Tower. Fortunately, the force field goes up and protects the building. Unfortunately, it will only last for so long. Ratchet says that they need to launch an aerial assault with the [[Magnus Hammer]], but [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] is a little unsure. [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] then reinforces his leader's faltering confidence by promising to accompany him. Sari then offers to join them, and cuts off Optimus's "No, Sari—" with a rant about how she's always being told it's "too dangerous" for her to help, leaving her embarrassed when Prime says he was going to tell her to help protect the humans. He orders the others to help Sari in this, while he and Prowl take to the skies. Megatron initially assumes that the figure bearing the Magnus Hammer is [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] himself, and is quite relieved when he sees it's only Optimus. The two airborne Autobots manage to avoid the missiles sent in their direction, but Prime's opening shot with the Magnus Hammer misses the Lugnuts. Ratchet says that he's receiving Omega's signal from the moon, and suggests they transwarp to the moon and sever Megatron's connection. Optimus approves, and orders him to take Bumblebee and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] with him. Prowl says that they need to bring the Lugnuts down all at once, and Optimus uses the Magnus Hammer to cause a tornado which sends the Lugnuts crashing toward [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Megatron, livid, tells Lugnut to abort the field test, but Lugnut is forced to inform him that Prime's attack managed to damage the one Megatron was in and disable the flight mechanisms of the other two. Furious, Megatron tells him to have the clones destroy everything except Megatron himself, then leaves his clone and assumes his [[alternate mode|flight mode]], intending to take a more direct role.

At Sumdac Tower, Ratchet fires up the space bridge, ready to take Bumblebee and Bulkhead to retrieve Arcee and Omega Supreme. [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] decides to go with them, telling [[Isaac Sumdac]] that she needs to go. Transforming to her full robot mode, she jumps through the portal with the Autobots. On the moon, Starscream reassembles himself and immediately takes off for Earth, saying he has a surprise for Megatron. The Autobots transwarp in mere moments after he leaves, as Sari is momentarily stunned just by being on the Moon, while the Autobots are more surprised by the lack of [[Decepticon]]s around. Over by Omega Supreme, Ratchet sees Arcee and runs to her. Unfortunately, she's reverted to her fugue Teacher Bot state. Worse, she's bait: Shockwave fires at them, barely missing them. Bumblebee and Bulkhead take on Shockwave, while Ratchet and Sari take Arcee inside Omega Supreme. Both bots are taken down, but Bulkhead manages to recover and charge Shockwave, knocking off his cannon. Shockwave briefly assumes his Longarm form and pleads for mercy, but Bulkhead destroys his cannon with his wrecking ball. Inside Omega Supreme, Ratchet discovers the damage to Arcee's processor is quite extensive, and any attempts to repair her could take her offline. Sari scans the malfunctioning intelbot and gives Ratchet instructions on how to use his EMP generator to restore her memory from her internal backups.

Over Detroit, Prime orders Prowl to break off from their fight with Megatron, find Jazz and try to slow the clones down. As he grapples with the Decepticon leader, he snaps and loudly declares his name after being patronisingly called "Autobot" by Megatron yet again.

In Omega Supreme, Ratchet manages to bring Arcee fully online, her memory back at the time it was when [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] captured them. Ratchet promises that they'll catch up in time, but right now they need her [[activation code]]s to retake control of Omega Supreme. Bumblebee and Bulkhead enter and say they've found something Sari needs to see.

Back on Earth, on the ground, Prowl and Jazz try to get inside the Lugnut Supremes, but their armor is too strong to cut through, and Jazz radios Prime with news of their failure. Optimus tells them that the only thing powerful enough to shield the city is the AllSpark, but it's scattered everywhere. In return, flushed by his recent success in reconstituting a fragment, Prowl theorizes that they can use [[processor-over-matter]] to make the AllSpark whole again. Prime is doubtful, but Prowl is adamant, and flies his fellow ninjabot to Sumdac Tower.

As Ratchet and Arcee make their way to Omega Supreme's head, Sari is brought before the protoforms, and—believing this to be where she came from—gets a moment of closure from the experience. Outside, Ratchet uses his magnets to keep Arcee above Omega's face and the fembot uploads the codes, severing Lugnut's control over him. Omega Supreme ejects the massive Decepticon and heads for Earth once Sari and all the Autobots are aboard, with the three remaining protoforms.

On Earth, with Lugnut no longer guiding them, the clones briefly shut down... then reactivate with Starscream's face. The treacherous Decepticon tells Megatron that he planted bombs in the clones, aiming to destroy him and everything within a hundred-mile radius. Unable to remove the bombs inside, Megatron decides to instead destroy Optimus Prime, using the Autobot captain's name for the very first time. At Sumdac Tower, the force field fails much to Isaac Sumdac's distress, and Prowl and Jazz direct him to the building's bomb shelter, before they begin using processor-over-matter to collecting AllSpark fragments. Starscream arrives to observe the death of Megatron, but his AllSpark fragment suddenly begins pulling him toward the AllSpark being formed by Jazz and Prowl. Starscream panics and tries to destroy the two ninja-bots, but his AllSpark fragment is pulled from his head, and Starscream falls to the street, dead.

[[Image:EndgamePart2-Prowlsmiles.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Code of Hero|The rest...is silence.]]]]
Omega Supreme arrives and begins fighting the two clones. He is able to defeat one and disarm its bomb, but the other knocks him aside and forces him back to ship mode. At Sumdac Tower, Jazz says that they don't have enough Spark to shield the city, but neither he nor Prowl can pull in any more AllSpark fragments. Prowl recognizes that there is one other way to make the AllSpark chunk powerful enough, and levitates towards it. Jazz recognizes what he intends to do, and screams that they can find another way, but Prowl merely turns to give him a reassuring smile. Suddenly, the AllSpark releases a surge of energy, and Prowl falls back to the ground. Jazz catches his body, but it is too late: Prowl is dead. A field soon forms around the remaining clone, but Megatron and Optimus Prime are trapped within it. Megatron gloats that he will take Optimus with him, but a figure of light in Prowl's image removes Optimus from the force field. Megatron roars in anger as the clone detonates, and everything goes white...

Waking up, Optimus sees his fellow bots around him. They declare that they won, and begin to celebrate... until Jazz comes carrying Prowl's shell, revealing that the ninja-bot merged his spark with the AllSpark to give them it the necessary energy. Optimus moves toward his fallen comrade, but is instead knocked backwards by a purple blast. Megatron still functions! Ratchet uses his magnets to throw the Magnus Hammer to Optimus. In a rage, Optimus beats Megatron down. Lying helpless, Megatron urges Optimus to finish him, and Optimus brings the Magnus Hammer down...on Megatron's fusion cannon. Optimus says that killing Megatron is the easy way out, and the Decepticon leader doesn't deserve that. Instead, he places [[stasis cuffs]] on him.

[[Image:TFA-Endgame-PanAcrossEveryone.jpg|thumb|240px|We shall not forget them. Nor fail to reward that which is given. Courage with love, valour with honour, evil... with vengeance.]]
On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Autobots return is hailed by a cheering crowd (except for [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who glowers), with Optimus carrying the Magnus Hammer, the large piece of the AllSpark around his neck, and Ratchet, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Jazz bearing Prowl's body. In addition, they bring with them the three rescued protoforms, and Megatron, Lugnut, and Shockwave as prisoners. Finally, to top it off, Omega Supreme transforms from ship mode, and this sends the crowd into another round of cheering, hailing Optimus Prime and his crew as the heroes they have proven themselves to be.

[['Til all are one]].
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (9)
*[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] (11)
*[[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] (13)
*[[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]] (18)
*[[Searchlight (Animated)|Searchlight]] (19)
*[[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] (20)
*[[Cosmos (Animated)|Cosmos]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (Animated)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Furão]] (23)
*[[Sedan (Animated)|Sedan]] (24)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (25)
*[[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]] (26)
*[[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]] (27)
*[[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]] (28)
*[[Sky Garry (Animated)|Sky Garry]] (29)
*[[Dai Atlas (Animated)|Dai Atlas]] (30)
*[[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] (31)
*[[Mainframe (Animated)|Mainframe]] (32)
|c2=
*Three [[Lugnut Supreme|Lugnuts Stupreme]] (1–3)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] (12)
*[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave/Longarm Prime]] (14)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (17)

|c3=
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (16)
|c4=
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (15)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Megatron''': Lugnut, let's begin this field test with Sumdac Tower. I want to see my former prison crumble to the ground. 
'''Lugnut''': As you command, oh great and glorious Megatron! Your genius exceeds all others! And I am but your humble and obedient servant! Furthermore— 
'''Megatron''': Shockwave! Is there anyway to bypass this endless pontificating and command these clones directly? 
'''Shockwave''': Still working on the data patch, my liege. Until then, you'll just have to relay all. Orders. Through. Lugnut.
:—Megatron desperately seeks to cut out the middleman, while Shockwave demonstrates how to smirk without a face.

'''Sari''': I'm going too! I have a jetpack. 
'''Optimus''': No, Sari, it's— 
'''Sari''': Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's "too dangerous", I know. It's '''always''' "too dangerous"! 
'''Optimus''': I was ''going'' to say, "It's more important for you to protect your father and your fellow organics." 
'''Sari''': Oh. Right. Sorry.
:—Sari isn't used to being treated as an equal.

'''Megatron''': Lugnut, this field test has been a complete failure! Order the other clones back to the Moon immediately! 
'''Lugnut''': Forgive me, oh Great One, but their flight capabilities are disabled. 
'''Megatron''': Then destroy the Autobots. Destroy the city. Destroy anything that's not '''me'''!
:—Megatron may have finally gone off the deep-end. And it shows, too.

"''Get away'' from my weapons of mass destruction." 
:—'''Megatron''', apparently about to send '''Optimus Prime''' to bed without his supper.

'''Shockwave:''' ''(changes to Longarm)'' G-guys...buddies...you...wouldn't want to take out your old platoon mate Longarm, would you? 
'''Bumblebee:''' No...of course we wouldn't. 
'''Bulkhead:''' Oh, not in a million stellar cycles, pal. 
(smashes Shockwave's arm cannon)
:—Not all Autobots are that gullible, '''Shockwave'''. Thanks for playing, though.

'''Ratchet:''' Those Deceptiscums fried her processor trying to remove the activation code...but if I tried to rewire her circuitry, it could take her offline for good. 
'''Sari:''' ''(touches Arcee on the knee)'' You need to recalibrate your EMP generator into a data recovery tool. Then you can salvage Arcee's secondary memory storage from her hard drive, bypassing her corrupted input/output systems. 
'''Ratchet:''' I suppose us...machines just told you that? 
'''Sari:''' Pretty much.
:—In case you didn't get that, Sari has just solved in five seconds what Cybertron's [[Perceptor (Animated)|greatest]] [[Wheeljack (Animated)|minds]] couldn't for millions of years. Wait. '''''WHAT?!'''''

"You're a persistent little Autobot." 
"My name is OPTIMUS PRIME!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Optimus Prime'''

''(After Omega Supreme boots Lugnut out of himself, the Lugnut Supreme clones cease functioning)'' 
"Lugnut? '''Attack!''' '''Your glorious leader commands you!'''" 
:—Lugnut's key praise is so endearing, it even has '''Megatron''' saying it out loud...at the worst possible time.

"If I cannot save my clones, at least I'll have the satisfaction of destroying you, '''Optimus Prime'''." 
"So, you ''can'' remember my name!"
:—Took you long enough, '''Megatron'''.

"What are you waiting for, Autobot? Finish me." ''(Optimus raises the Magnus Hammer and smashes Megatron's cannon)'' 
"That would be the easy way out, Megatron. ''You'' don't ''deserve'' it."
:-'''Optimus''' finally gives '''Megatron''' exactly what he deserves.

==Notes==

===Animation or technical errors===
* When Omega Supreme runs towards one of the Lugnut Supremes, the clone has a [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|purple Autobot symbol]] on its midsection as it gets up.

* Megatron's helicopter cockpit kibble (usually seen behind his head on his back) briefly vanishes for a second as he kicks Optimus Prime towards the AllSpark-powered force field.

* Just as Bulkhead punches Shockwave, for a split second, Shockwave's colors are those of his Autobot counterpart, Longarm (with the noticeable teal coloring on his chassis).

* Prowl's ghost appears with his armour on, but when it reaches out to save Optimus, the armour has vanished.

* When [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] makes one last attempt to destroy [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], his right shoulder guard is drawn rather small. As he's knocked down to Earth and insists Optimus finishes him, it reverts back to its proper size.

[[Image:AutobotGroupShotEndgamePartII.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Blink and you'll miss it.]]

* Quite a number of animation errors can be seen immediately after Optimus Prime stasis cuffs Megatron (right before a kneeling Omega Supreme gets up.) The Magnus Hammer has disappeared, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl's]] body is drawn like a boxy black mannequin in [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]]'s arms with very little detail, Jazz himself (as well as Bulkhead) are missing their Autobot insignias, [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] appears rather tiny compared to the other Autobots, and Sari appears to be either hovering off of the ground or standing on [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]'s foot. Oh, and [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] is missing from the shot as well. Dandy.

*When Optimus Prime first disembarks from Omega Supreme at the end of the episode, he is shown to be almost as tall as Megatron and Lugnut, who, by all rights, should be towering over him in height. They are drawn at their proper scale once they stand before the cheering crowd, though.

*When the Autobots hold up [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s coffin before the cheering crowd (as seen in the picture on this page), Prowl's body is drawn rather short. If one compared the height of his body to [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] at his left, Bumblebee would actually be a head taller.

*After Bulkhead knocks over Shockwave and he converts into Longarm, Shockwave's cannon is on the ground behind Longarm, yet when we see Longarm from the back he has the crane piece attached to his back. Whoops.

* The [[Magnus Hammer]]'s handle again changes length from shot to shot.

===Continuity errors===
*Due to the incomplete activation code, the Lugnut Supremes only worked when Lugnut consciously directed them from Omega Supreme. Yet after Omega tossed him out, not only did Starscream take them over, they continued to function autonomously after he was dead.

===Transformers references===

[[Image:TFA Prime with Matrix.jpg|right|150px|thumb|This is awesome and you love it.]]

*At the very end, Optimus Prime is shown with the large piece of AllSpark which Jazz and Prowl pulled together, in a container strongly resembling the [[Matrix of Leadership]]—and he's [[The Transformers: The Movie|wearing it on a chain around his neck]].

*Even at this late stage, a new face still appears in the crowd scene on Cybertron: [[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]]. [[Dai Atlas (Animated)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sky Garry (Animated)|Sky Garry]] make their first in-person appearances (though Dai Atlas only appears from behind), and the unnamed, orange female robot, whose arm could ''juuuuuust'' be seen poking in from offscreen back in "[[Decepticon Air]]", also gets to appear in full. The crowd also includes a ''crazy'' amount of miscolored-slash-[[generic]] robots, including such gems as a [[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]]-colored robot wearing the [[65356-9292-346]] body type, a blue-and-green Sky Garry and a yellow [[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]].

* Yoketron's dying words in "[[Five Servos of Doom]]" (where he tells Prowl that he will understand when his time comes) finally come to pass.

===Foreign dubbing===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''La bataille finale 2/2'''" ("The Final Battle 2/2")
:*''Original airdate:'' ???

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''最終決戦！メガトロンを制圧せよ'''" (''Saishū Kessen! Megatron wo Seiatsu-seyo'', "The Final Decisive Battle! Suppress Megatron")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 25|25 December]] [[2010]]

* Megatron delivers the warning
* To celebrate this being the last episode to air in Japan, the Japanese dubbing cast sang the [[Japanese themes|opening]] "[[Transformers Evo.|TRANSFORMERS EVO.]]" over [[JAM Project]]'s [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQA3QUO-eY original track].
* For the [[Otoboto family]] segment, "Santa" delivers several toys: Optimus Light & Sound to [[Tatsuya Otoboto|Tatsuya]], Megatron Light & Sound to [[Yūka Otoboto|Yūka]], and [[United (toyline)|United]] [[Optimus Prime (Prime)#Generations|Optimus]] to [[Hiroyuki Otoboto|Hiroyuki]]. After some bantering, "Santa" reveals himself to be actually [[Udo]]! He later gets conned into drinking a suspiciously-looking green health drink and reacts badly to it comically. The segment closes with a photo of the family and Udo holding flower bouquets - in Japan, it's tradition to give flower bouquets to major staff and cast members after a production is wrapped up, be it a movie, TV series, or a music video.
* Optimus thanks the audience for watching and promises that they'll meet again one day.

===Real-world references===
*Ratchet refers to the Lugnut Supremes as "[[bootleg|knockoffs]]".

===Trivia===
*Shockwave transforms into a ''purple'' Longarm. Maybe he was just confused or [[To sell toys|something]].
*Jazz states that they can't find all the AllSpark fragments; at the very least, this makes sense because [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], and [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]] aren't on Earth anymore. There is no indication that any other Earthbound characters animated by AllSpark fragments were defragmented and killed like Starscream, and they don't seem to be kept alive the same way he is. At [[BotCon 2009]], the writers revealed that they had intended to show Wreck-Gar and at least one of the Constructicons to confirm their survival, but that this scene was cut for time.
*This is the first episode since "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]" to feature Prime's faceplate.
*Shockwave claimed in "[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]" that using Omega Supreme's original activation codes on him once more would wipe his memories, morals and personality, allowing a new mentor-con to turn him into a model Decepticon—a fact which Ratchet and [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] apparently both agreed was true. Since Arcee uses the codes on Omega in this episode, did this cause a reset to factory settings? If not, why not? Could it perhaps have something to do with that patch they were talking about?
*There seems to be a scene missing involving Lugnut - when Omega Supreme discards him onto the lunar surface and flies to Earth, he is neither captured nor incapacitated, and it's been shown repeatedly that Decepticons (including Starscream in this episode and Lugnut himself in "[[Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found]]") are capable of making ''at least'' the Moon-Earth trip under their own power, where [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] has apparently evaded detection for the whole of S3. His off-screen capture is therefore noteworthy.
*Arcee didn't join the other Autobots on their victory/funeral parade at the end.
*It is revealed during the events of this episode, that while in her robot mode, Sari doesn't need an external oxygen supply.
*As of this episode, there's a lot of remaining uncaptured Decepticons!
**Thundercracker and Skywarp are still floating out somewhere in space.
**[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and a bleeding, shattered [[Wasp|Waspinator]] are still in that mysterious jungle, precise whereabouts (and even ''when''abouts) unknown.
**[[Laserbeak (Animated)|Laserbeak]] fled the scene with the sentient part of [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] in "[[Human Error, Part II]]".
**[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]]'s whereabouts are presumably still known to the Autobots; he may have returned to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] with [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] after "Human Error".
**[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] leaves for parts unknown in "[[Decepticon Air]]". Although he did mention something about retiring to an island on [[Nebulos]] (where the [[energon (fuel)|energon]] is as smooth as a [[protoform]]'s bottom).
**[[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], [[Team Chaar]] and any unseen Decepticons all remain at large.
**There are a lot more Decepticons at large and on the loose than the main cast, as shown in [[Dispatches]], where a large group of unamed [[Generic]] Decepticons are present at Megatron's funeral as Blitzwing rambles on like a madman.
*Several other plot points have yet to have been resolved by the end of this episode:
**Sari's origin has yet to be completely explained. It still hasn't been revealed how or why a protoform showed up on Earth years ago, or why it looked so different compared to other protoforms seen during the course of the series. Since it has been shown that all the protoforms Lockdown stole were blanks, it's unlikely she came from that batch.
**[[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] was last shown apparently reconstituting himself at the end of "[[Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday]]", and has not been seen since.
**Wreck-Gar and all three Dinobots are not present at the end of the episode, and presumably are still on Earth. Although it could be speculated that they stayed there by choice, one must wonder what kind of measures that Optimus and company took to prevent said bots from any more disastrous encounters with the populace of Earth.
**[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] was last seen being repaired, but his fate isn't revealed in-show. The Allspark Almanac confirms he died.
** [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] was last seen crushed into a cube and tossed into an incinerator. We don't see him get incinerated, though we also don't see any evidence he survived being cubified.
*[[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] was originally intended to have a small role in this episode, in which she would resurrect Starscream after the Autobots left Earth. This scene was ultimately cut for time.
*This is the final episode to feature Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Prowl and every other character in the series. We remind you so we may see you weep...we hate to cry alone. But... there is hope. IDW might continue the series in comic form. Join us as we get down on our hands and knees and beg IDW to do this for us.

==Home video releases==
This episode has yet to be released on home video.

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Optimus Primal (BW)/toys

2011-01-24T20:58:32Z

207.38.151.73: /* Beast Machines */ Fixed the monkey vs robot caption gag while retaining the replacement joke in the maintext.

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[[Image:Optimus_Primal_toys.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Monkey see, Monkey f**k you up!]]
'''[[Optimus Primal]]''' has had a barrel full of toys. None of them [[Optimus Minor|monkeys]]!

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BWtoy-Primalbat.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Cheetor. ''Cheetor.'' I'm Batman.]]
* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron!''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:The first Optimus Primal was a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removable from under its wings for use as weaponry in robot mode. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:Whether this toy can be considered the Optimus Primal character is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Optimus Primal as a separate entity from Optimus Prime, the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series's [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting micro-continuities.

:The ''[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' has asserted that, in [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)|IDW's version of the ''Beast Wars'' continuity]], Primal's bat form was suggested by the ''Axalon'''s computer as a potential alt-mode, but he rejected it in favour of the more powerful gorilla without ever actually reformatting into it. Thus, this [[micro-continuity]] posits bat-mode Primal as an essentially theoretical alt-form that never actually came to be.

:This mold was also used to make the [[#CDROM|Optimus Prime-recolored Convobat]] (who may or may not be a separate character to either Prime or Primal), and [[Onyx Primal]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimalBat/optimusprimal.htm More information on Optimus Primal (bat) at tfu.info]''

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[[Image:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Yes, missiles come out of his butt.]]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic one, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in his fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barreled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of his back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or bend in and out at the elbow, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. This gimmick was shown to be an effort to simulate a gorilla beating its chest while Optimus was in beast mode, but could also be used in robot mode, making him swing his weapons wildly before himself. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"[[mutant head]]" could be deployed over his robot head.

:[[Image:Prizeprimals.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Brass monkeys.]]

:Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. The missiles for the Takara version are thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Optimus Primal and [[Beast Wars Telemocha]] DX Convoy, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''Tele-V Magazine'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''Tele-V'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), and blue-fur (a ''Comics Bom Bom'' design-contest prize, only five awarded).
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Optimus Primal (gorilla) at tfu.info]''

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* '''Special Convoy Real Gray Type''' (Ultra, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
:In January of 1998{{fact}}, Takara released a redeco of the Ultra Optimus Primal toy as '''Special Convoy Real Gray Type''' (スペシャルコンボイ — リアルグレータイプ), changing the black to dark gray and the blue to metallic blue, although the packaging was the same as the original release save for a sticker on the front of the box. According to the sticker, this limited figure was meant to celebrate the "20,000,000 Unit Breakthrough Commemoration"—apparently commemorating ''20 million'' units of Beast Wars toys sold. Whether this was supposed to represent 20 million worldwide or just in Japan is unclear.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Special Convoy Real Gray Type at tfu.info (scroll down)]''

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* '''Special Convoy Skeleton Type''' (Ultra, 1998?)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
: A Toys 'R' Us retail [[exclusive]] redeco of the Ultra figure, '''Special Convoy Skeleton Type''' (スペシャルコンボイ — スケルトンタイプ) was colorless-clear and black with silver paint detailing. The packaging was the same as the general release except for a sticker on the front of the box.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/ClearConvoy/clearconvoy.htm More information on Special Convoy Skeleton Type at tfu.info]''

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[[Image:BW-toy OptimusPrimalCDROM.jpg|right|300px|thumb|From Nightwing to Flame<strike>bird</strike>bat.]]
*'''Convobat vs Megaligator''' (multipack)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
: Available only in a special CD-ROM two-pack with a [[Megatron (BW)/toys|purple redeco of "Megalligator"]], this version of Optimus Primal (maybe) retains its previous gimmickry. his back features a silver Maximal [[faction symbol]] plus "C-ROM", as in "Cybertron", get it? Huh? And Megatron has the "D-ROM"? See what they did there?

: Just what character this toy represents is up for debate. The toy's [[bio]] claims he used to turn into a tractor-trailer (indicating [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]), but considering the timeframe of when they were written and the whole lack of a stance on who Primal "was" before the show and bla bla bla... it's just easier to file this under the same iffiness as the original toy bios set on modern [[Earth]] and leave it at that.

: This mold was also used to make [[Onyx Primal]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/ConvoyBat/convoybat.htm More information on Convobat at TFU.info]''

* '''Burning Convoy''' (Ultra)
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
:[[Spontaneous recoloration|Clear-red]] redeco of Primal, with gold "flame" markings also included. Was released as a limited edition figure to promote the ''Beast Wars Special'' movie alongside the Flash Lio Convoy toy.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/BurningConvoy/burningconvoy.htm More information on Burning Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BWMicroversetoy-Primal.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Seamunky?]]
*'''Orcanoch''' (MicroVerse, 1997)
: Part of the short-lived ''[[MicroVerse]]'' toyline (from before [[Hasbro|Hasbro's]] acquisition of rival Galoob and their micro-toy empire), [[Orcanoch]] transforms into a Maximal base. It came with tiny, non-transforming versions of Optimus Primal and [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]. These figures were designed to sit in the various mini-vehicles and control modules of the MicroVerse playsets.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Maximal/Orcanoch/orcanoch.htm More information on Orcanoch (including Optimus Primal figure) at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BWtoy-PrimalTM.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Check out those abs!]]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (Mega Transmetal, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, two clubs/missiles
: [[Transmetal]] Optimus Primal is a mechanical gorilla that transforms into a partially organic robot. Like all Transmetals, it featured chromed plastic and a third vehicle-inspired mode. In Primal's case, his gorilla mode could transform into a gorilla on a hoverboard. Two maces were stored on his back and could double as missiles for his hip-holstered blaster.

: [[Takara|Takara's]] version of the toy exchanged the brown plastic for translucent maroon, he also featured additional paint on his waist and different eye color among other changes. The figure was also available in a set with Transmetal Megatron.

: This mold was used to make [[Apelinq]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Transmetal Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BWtoy-OpOp.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It's really about two modes, not four, if you're honest.]]
* '''Optimal Optimus''' (Super Transmetal, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-47'''
**''Accessories:'' One gun, four missiles, six break-away armor plates
: Transmetal Optimal Optimus was the first toy in the Super size class, featuring electronics and four transformations: robot, ape, jet, and armored transport. When a back section of the cannon module was pulled, the eyes and shoulder-mounted missile launchers lit up and the launchers fired. It came with four missiles, two of which stored on its legs. Its forearms featured blast-away armor plates that could also be pegged to its upper arms.

:Optimal Optimus's on-package [[bio]] states that he has Cybertronian "air guardian" technology and twin scramjet modules. [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s function was Air Guardian, and his Tech Specs said he had these same scramjet modules.

: This mold was used to make [[Primal Prime]], and was the model for [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s (non-toy) "Optimal" body, seen in "[[Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future]]".

: The Japanese version featured a more yellow shade of orange, different painted details, and notably black tires instead of purple.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/OptimalOptimus/optimaloptimus.htm More information on Optimal Optimus at TFU.info]''

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===Beast Machines===
[[Image:BM-toy OpPrimalDx.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Monkey hate the robot.]]
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Deluxe, 2000)
**''Accessories'': Energy shuriken
: The first ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' Optimus Primal is a dark bronze and translucent blue technorganic gorilla that transforms into a technorganic robot. His right robot-mode arm is spring-loaded to throw the shuriken that stores in his left leg (the ape mode's left shoulder). Like all ''Beast Machines'' toys, he has a hidden "[[spark crystal]]" that displays his faction allegiance; Primal's is in his chest, revealed with the spring-loaded "flexing" motion that also moves his beast-mode face up for snarling while posing. His robot-mode head also features a changing expression via sliding brow/skullcap.

:Official [[Hasbro]] stock photography of this toy shows a differently-molded shuriken, lacking the "energy flame" effect.

:He is the exact opposite of show-accurate.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Beast Machines Optimus Primal (Deluxe) at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BMtoy-PrimalMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Robot hate the monkey.]]
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Happy Meal toy, 2000)
: McDonald's ''Beast Machines'' Optimus Primal is an incredibly simple toy that transforms from a technorganic robot to technorganic ape. Its sculpted detail is based directly that of the television show's model for Primal. It uses translucent plastic for the body, and, like the other McDonald's ''Beast Machines'' toys, there's a sculpted spark crystal on the toy's surface; on Optimus Primal, it is placed on the stomach. Additionally, there are two organic flaps on the toy's back, and in robot mode, nobody's entirely sure exactly what to do with them. Are they rotated all the way down to make his booster jets? Are they rotated out to the sides to make the backs of his shoulder pads? Are they rotated back to where they go in gorilla mode, once you get his heads swapped? We may never know.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/McOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Beast Machines Optimus Primal (McDonald's) at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BMtoy-PrimalMega.jpg|right|300px|thumb|They will fight eternally!]]
*'''Blast Punch Optimus Primal''' (Mega, 2001)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''BR-01'''
**''Accessories'': Missile
:One of the last toys released in the ''Beast Machines'' line (under the "Battle for the Spark" rebranding), "Blast Punch" Optimus Primal transforms into a technorganic gorilla more like the show model, though with a considerably brighter color scheme. His main [[gimmick]] is his left arm, which contains a hidden missile launcher.Pushing down on his shoulder armor "winds" the mechanism in his gauntlet. Pushing the spark crystal on his bicep spins his gauntlet around, simultaneously triggering the spring-loaded missile launcher and activating his spring-loaded ramming "blast punch" action, extending his fist forward nearly a full inch. He also has hidden jet thrusters under a panel on his back. In beast mode, a small button on the top of his head pushes his upper face up in a "snarling" action.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BlastPunchOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Blast Punch Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

*'''Optimus Primal''' (Jollibee Kids Meal, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Pen Keeper
: Optimus Primal was available as one of three figures in a Jollibee promotion. The toy is a greatly simplified version of his ''Beast Machines'' Deluxe toy.

===Robots in Disguise===
[[Image:RIDtoy-Suprimal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Monkey versus robot!]]
* '''Air Attack Optimus Primal''' (Supreme, 2002)
:Intended for release in the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toyline, Air Attack Optimus Primal was eventually released as a Toys "R" Us exclusive as part of the ''Robots in Disguise'' toyline. Positively oozing light-and-sound gimmicks in both modes, Optimus Primal does ''all'' sorts'a crazy crap, all of which is first activated by pressing his chest plate. Doing so "turns on" his electronics with a metallic shrieking noise, and the toy proceeds to hum constantly while the chest glows with a red LED. The electronics will eventually "turn off" if the toy is left idle, but you don't want to do that! You want to push his head (in either mode), which activates glowing lights in his eyes and actual speech samples of [[Garry Chalk]] from the ''Beast Machines'' cartoon (making Primal the first English-speaking ''Transformers'' toy to have speech clips performed by his actual cartoon voice actor). On top of that, the toy also features a pressure-launching disc-shooter in its robot-mode stomach (accompanied by blasting sound effect), and a geared right arm with a spring-loaded punch action (and suitably pained electronic grunt). The ''big'' feature—the one that gives the toy its name—is his jetpack, which pops out (with translucent blue jet flames trailing behind) at the push of a button. This puts the toy into "flight mode", and it constantly produces the sound of whooshing jets, which then rises and falls depending on how the figure is held. Tilt him upwards, and the pitch rises as he ascends! Tilt him down, and ''zoom!''

:Also, he has a butt on his head.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Maximal/SupremeOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Air Attack Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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===Universe===
[[Image:Universe2003toy-Primal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Kinda looks like Don Rickles, don't you think?]]
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
:A redeco of the original Ultra Class Optimus Primal mold, with a color scheme that reflects the "infected" look several other toys were sporting in this line, reflecting the events taking place in-fiction. He retains all weapons and gimmicks of the previous releases of this mold, but with a reworked system for his arm mechanism, making his crazy arm swinging much more controlled.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Universe Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RMtoy-Primal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|There he is, my littler guy.]]
*'''Beast Convoy''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-11'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, sword connector, missile launcher, missile

:Primarily based upon the original Ultra-class Optimus Primal figure, ''Robot Masters'' Beast Convoy uses a new, a more [[show accuracy|show accurate]] mold, while using the original Ultra-class toy's color scheme.

:The mouthplate featured an engraved mouth, although it is painted silver like the rest of the face, and lacks the Mutant Head from the original figure.

:Both forearms contain small, non-firing cannons in them (and thus a skull mace is not included), which can be revealed by flipping up the panels on his arms. Similarly, the missile launchers from the Ultra-class version of the toy have been replaced by non-firing cannons based more closely on the ones from the TV show.

:Beast Convoy features new, open-palmed hands, thus preventing him from holding both of his swords in the same hand, but a small connector-piece is included to connect the swords together, allowing Beast Convoy to hold the lower sword with the upper sword connected.

:Like [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Beast Megatron]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|G1 Convoy]], Beast Convoy comes with a generic, blue plastic missile launcher which can fit in his palm.

:This figure was later recolored as [[Robot Masters]] Burning Beast Convoy, Beast Convoy Limited Black Version, and later [[Beast Wars Telemocha]] Convoy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/BeastConvoy/beastconvoy.htm More information on Beast Convoy at TFU.info]''

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* '''Burning Beast Convoy''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-21'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:A recolor of ''Beast Convoy'', this toy uses the "Burning Convoy" color scheme from the ''Beast Wars II'' movie from where he partnered with Lio Convoy, turning them into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy respectively.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/BurningConvoy/burningconvoy.htm More information on Burning Beast Convoy at TFU.info]''

*'''Beast Convoy Limited Black Version''' (2005)
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, sword connector, missile launcher, missile, Boost Hammer

: Available only via mail order through ''Hobby Japan'' magazine, the "Limited Black Version" of Beast Megatron is just that: a straight [[black repaint]] of the Beast Convoy toy. He comes with all his original accessories, appropriately redecoed, as well as a gold-chromed version of the "Boost Hammer" [[Solitarium]] weapon that came with [[Wrecker Hook (RM)|Wrecker Hook]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/HHBeastConvoy/beastconvoy.htm More information on Beast Convoy Limited Black Version at TFU.info]''

===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwx.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Surf monkey/ that funky monkey'']]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (2006)
**''Accessories:'' Surfboard, assault blade, missile, Jungle Planet Key
: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary (BWX) Optimus Primal is a new toy design based loosely on his original ultra ape action figure and pulling some elements from other figures, including a transformation very similar to the Playskool Go-Bot [[Gorillabot]], which itself was a nod to Optimus Primal's Beast Machines form. Similar to his Transmetal form, BWX Optimus Primal also comes with a hoverboard that fires a missile when a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted.

:[[Image:PrimalXsword.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Opposable thumbs!]]

: The board also features a spring-loaded extending "assault blade" (or "ass lt blade" as the directions call it). Though it is not intended to be removed, the blade can be popped off and held in Primal's hand thanks to his posable thumbs.

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet (Cybertron)|Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key without a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it.

:This mold was [[Redeco|redecoed]] and released as ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. The sculpt for both BWX leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer|Aaron Archer's]] statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on 10th Anniversary Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''
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* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Toys "R" Us, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
:Identical to the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' set as detailed below, but in new packaging with a DVD of the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Possession]]".
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/TRUOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Optimus Primal (Toys "R" Us Exclusive) at TFU.info]''

===Beast Wars Reborn===
[[Image:BWReborntoy-Primal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The eighth Optimus of the world... PRIMAL!]]
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail

:[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwrebornheads.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Staring contest—go!]]

: This release is a [[retool]] of the original 1996 Ultra toy, with new beast and robot heads, plus a new robot chest piece sculpted to match the television series's portrayal. The color scheme was also altered to be show-accurate, changing the black to dark gray, much of the light gray to medium gray with hints of bronze, primary red to crimson, and blue to a more dull steel blue. All of the toy's previous [[gimmick]]s are retained with the sole exception of the "mutant head."

:This figure came packaged with a similarly-remolded [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and a [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]] CD-ROM that contains control art for a number of ''Beast Wars'' toys.

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===Generation 2===
[[Image:G2toy_laser_optimus_prime.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Argh TFwiki headache.]]
* '''Battle Convoy''' (Reissue, 2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, sword, 5 discs, 3 air power missiles, ripple rocket launcher, 10 rockets

: In 1993, Laser [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was a new-mold ''[[Generation 2]]'' toy that transformed into mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX, pulling a grey and black fuel tank trailer. On the sides of the trailer is a humourous sticker depicting Laser Optimus Prime using a flamethrower to burn down a forest, with the words "Optimus Prime Octane" over the image.

:In robot mode, like Combat Hero Prime, the bottom of the truck became his familiar windowed chest based upon the original Optimus Prime toy. His main gimmick was light up LED headlights, and a [[lightpipe]] in the bottom of his right fist, illuminated by an LED in his right forearm, that would illuminate his clear sword or his double-barreled rifle if they were used in that hand. All three LEDs were activated simultaneously by pressing the sunroof-like depression on the roof of the truck.

:The trailer unfolds to form a battle station bristling with many firing weapons. Primarily, it can fire an air-powered missile launcher, a ripple rocket launcher with 5 missiles that can be launched individually (this turret can also be mounted in Laser Prime's hand) and a 'disc launcher', that fired several blue plastic discs adorned with the ''Generation 2'' Autobot sigil. This disc launcher is the only weapon that can be used in vehicle mode.

:This mold was redecoed in 2000 as ''[[Car Robots]]'' [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]], and slightly retooled as Scourge. After Scourge, the next use of this mold was planned to be [[Toxitron]], which ended up being canceled. The slightly retooled version of this mold was released in 2006 in Japan as reissue Battle Convoy, which was the name of this toy during the Japanese ''Generation 2''. The reissue used the ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' modified tooling, with a slightly modified deco using silver vacuum-metalized plastic on his chest and trailer sides along with additional paint applications and G2 symbols. The mold was also redecoed to create a new G2 version of Ultra Magnus as an [[E-Hobby]] exclusive (unusual in that the character was killed in the course of Japan's G1 fiction).

:Within the ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' text story, the reissued Laser Prime toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as a temporary form for Optimus Primal.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Laser Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-PrimalDoFP.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Trukk munky?]]
* '''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Boxset, BotCon 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, Maximal [[Golden Disk]] key
:A [[redeco]] and [[retool]] of ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]], ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' Optimus Primal transforms into a three-wheeled Cybertronic race car with huge turbine thrusters. These thrusters each contain a spring-loaded missile launcher,and can be swung forward in both vehicle and robot mode by plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into his key-jack. This also activates electronic sound effects. He has a new head that replicates Optimus Primal's first [[character model]].

:Available only in a multi pack with the ''Axalon'' versions of [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], and [[Rattrap]], as well as the ''[[Darksyde]]'' version of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].
:Some consider this toy somewhat of an injoke, because when fans initially saw pics of Crumplezone, they criticised it for looking like a monkey.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/BCOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Axalon Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''
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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumSeries-Primal3inch.jpg|right|150px|thumb|This Primal wasn't built—it was ''poured!'']]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (3" Robot Master figurine, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand
:This 3-inch die-cast and plastic figurine of Optimus Primal features him in his ''Beast Wars'' season 1 appearance, with swords drawn in an action pose. He came with an [[Autobot]] figure stand, weirdly enough.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/TitOptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Titanium Series Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Titanium Optimal Optimus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ready? And... Faceplant!]]
* '''Optimal Optimus''' (6" Transformable figure, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand with nameplate
:For undetermined reasons, this incarnation of Optimal Optimus does not include the beast mode. This does have precedent in the fiction: When [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] built a copy of that body for himself at the end of ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', his version didn't have a beast mode either.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Maximal/TitOptimalOptimus/optimusprimal.htm More information on Titanium Series Optimal Optimus at TFU.info]''
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===Binaltech===
[[Image:BTBlackConvoy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|There! He's a trukk! Ya happy now?]]
* '''Black Convoy''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-17'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/blaster

: Black Convoy is the first ''Binaltech'' release since [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] in early 2006, and was available exclusively in Japan at the winter Wonder Festival in 2007. His plastic colours are different from Nemesis Prime's, with grey plastic replacing the black on his shins, waist, shoulders and forearms. In addition, Nemesis Prime's windows are tinted red, but Black Convoy's windows are completely clear. His paint deco is based upon ''Kiss Players'' Convoy's, arranged in the same patterns but using teal, and he has vacuum-metallized wheels and front grill. The paint deco on his head is meant to evoke that of Car Robots [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]]. Perhaps the most important differences are that he has die-cast metal parts, and most of his truck body panels are coated in gloss black paint.

: Perhaps due to cost-cutting, this toy was released in the large bubble-on-a-tray packaging also used in the ''Alternators'' line. However, he came with no character or packaging art.

: The ''[[Alternity (franchise)|Alternity]]'' fiction [[Repurposing|repurposes]] this figure as a new body for Optimus Primal, based on how Primal's disembodied spark had previously taken possession of Nemesis' body earlier in the ''[[Story of Binaltech|Binaltech]]'' story.
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===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===
[[Image:BWTelemocha Convoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Anyone else feel like we're going in circles?]]
*'''Convoy''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:''[[Beast Wars Telemocha]]'' Convoy is an extensive redeco of the ''Robot Masters'' Beast Convoy figure in a similar style to the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' retool of the Ultra-class figure.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/Convoy/convoy.htm More information on Telemocha Convoy at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:BWTelemochaDXPrimal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Seriously, we're getting dizzy!]]
*'''DX Convoy''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-SP'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
:An extensive show-accurate redeco of the original Ultra-class Optimus Primal mold ''without'' the recently remolded head and chestplate. Oh [[TakaraTomy]], you so crazy.

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==Merchandise==
*'''Beast Wars Transformers Slide Puzzle''' (1996)
:Released to advertise Beast War's airing in Japan, a small, hand-held slide-puzzle depicting Optimus Primal in robot mode, brandishing a sword, one arm cannon deployed, and looking very dynamic.
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[[Image:Optimusprimalmutatingcard.jpg|thumb|300px|right]]
* '''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)
:Optimus Primal was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
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* '''Beast Wars Transformers Sneakers''' (1997)
: A pair of red, black and white sneakers, with the Beast Wars logo printed on the sole, a photo of Primal's beast mode head on the toe, and the name "OPTIMUS PRIMAL" repeated around the shoe's lateral.

===Kabaya gum kits===
====Beast Wars====
* '''Convoy''' (1997)
: A nontransformable figurine of bat-body Primal, sculpted in a sword-wielding action pose across a blue base. Figure is painted.

* '''Convoy''' (candy toy, 1997)

: A tiny plastic Convoy figurine in his gorilla body and molded onto an irregularly-shaped stand was released by Kabaya. Labeled toy 1 of 6, the other characters in his wave were Dinobot, Rattrap, Megatron, Cheetor, and Rhinox. As always, terrible candy is included.

* '''Convoy''' (1997, Standard Kit)
: A tiny, simple black and purple transformable kit based on the original gorilla toy. It came with two purple swords and some gum.

====Beast Wars Metals====
* '''Transmetal Convoy''' (1999, Standard Kit)
: Another small transformable figure was based on his first Transmetal body. It was multicolored and also came with gum.

* '''Transmetal Convoy''' (1999, Standard Kit)
: A second, but non-transformable figure of Transmetal Optimus Primal was made in clear plastic, blue, and gray. Gum!

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===Metal Monument===
[[Image:Metalmonumentconvoy.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Hungh!]]
* '''Metal Monument Convoy''' (TAKARA, 1999)

: As the name suggests, the product is a [[die-cast]] statue of Optimus Primal. The head is convertible/removable in order to change the normal one with the battle mask/mutant head. The [[box art]] and the design of the product are both done by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]].

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===3D Battle-Card Game===
*'''Optimus Primal''' (2007)
[[Image:3DBattleCard-OptimusPrimal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|All your favorite 3D action!]]
: A 52-point "rare" character in the [[3D Battle-Card Game|3D Battle-Card Game's]] "Energon Wars" expansion, Optimus Primal "transforms" into a black ape. He uses the same parts layout as [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]], [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]] and [[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]], although the figure's beast mode is assembled differently. Optimus Primal is nominally the leader of the Autobots in the set. The surface of the figure uses images of the original Ultra ape toy.

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===Robot Heroes===
====Beast Wars series====
[[Image:Robotheroestarantulasprimal.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Primal mocks Tarantulas's inability to display jazz hands.]]
*'''Optimus Primal''' / '''Predacon Tarantulas''' (2008)
: Part of the second wave of ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]], this PVC figurine of Optimus Primal's original gorilla body has articulation in the shoulders and neck. He was available only in a "Beast Wars Series" two-pack with [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] (amusingly enough, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] he also came with in the ''[[MicroVerse]]'' [[Orcanoch]] playset).
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Maximal/RHOprimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on Robot Heroes Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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====Beast Machines series====
[[Image:Robot_heroes_primal_jetstorm.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The next Bio-Force Ape? Only time will tell.]]
*'''Optimus Primal vs. Jetstorm''' (2009)
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==Notes==
* The design of Optimus Primal's bat form is an [[homage]] to [[wikia:c:Batman:Batman (Bruce Wayne)|Batman]], an action figure license also held at the time by [[Kenner]].<ref>Page 78, Toy database section in ''[[Beast Wars Universe]]''</ref>

* Primal's gorilla mode, paired against [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s t-rex mode, was inspired by the showdown in ''[[King Kong (movie)|''King Kong'']]''.

* According to the control art of Optimus Primal's toy, his chest originally seemed to be a kind of launcher instead of being an homage to the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].<ref>Page 50, Toy database section in ''[[Beast Wars Universe]]''</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Beast Machines Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]
[[Category:Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]
[[category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]
[[Category:Contest prizes]]
[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Fast food exclusives]]
[[Category:Mail order exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Robot Masters Autobots]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Titanium Series]]
[[Category:Toys "R" Us exclusives]]
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User talk:Detour

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207.38.151.73: /* Ahem */

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changing of the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Why are you reverting everything? ==

Why the fuck are you reverting every single edit you see? Is that the only thing you can do? Is is your sole mission to not contribute, but revert everyone else who tries to? Sure, you could just change the singe byte of offending material, BUT NO, YOU HAVE TO REVERT THE WHOLE GODDAMN EDIT. You've been doing this for as long as I've been observing. Also, you've been up my ass about everything the whole time I've been here. Haven't you been blocked before for this kind of thing? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:01, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:Detour spends a lot of time on the wiki so he often sees poor/vandalistic edits before other editor do. Usually his reversions have been supported by the majority of editors, when he goes over the line Walky puts him in his place. My question is, why are you so sensitive? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
::If you've been up my ass too, you would see that this is the first time I've exploded over seomthing like this. I have been putting up with shit like this since I started editing here. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know, just looking over your previous edits you seemed rather upset about things on the [[Twitcher F451]], [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], [[Starscream (BWII)]] and [[Shelfwarmer]] pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:52, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
* WHY ARE YOU REVERTING EVERUTHING???????????????--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 10:15, 7 November 2010 (EST)

== Dalek ==

For your information, there is incorrect information on that page, that must be changed. The Daleks were never first called "Mark 3 travel machines" that is wrong. The were first called Daleks. The machine the ride in was first a Mark 1 Travel Machines, then a Mark 2 Travel Machine, and finally a Mark 3 Travel Machine. It was Davros who called the machine they ride in Mark 3 Travel Machine, but the creatures are called Daleks, and they were first called Kaleds before being mutated into Daleks. I don't know were the hell you got that from but they are also not cyborgs. They are creatures inside tanks basically. I was correcting that. Get your facts right before delete something I did. Trust me, I know more about the Daleks then you. Thus, my user name is LORD DALEK. That is why I am constantly changing that page. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:40, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:Except all that is irrelevant to what was said about Daleks within ''Transformers fiction'', which is what this Wiki is about. And I know plenty about Daleks. Don't assume you're some sort of lone Doctor Who fan on this wiki.--[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:42, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Fine, I will stop editing the part that is in the comic, BUT THE INFORMATION IN THE NOTES IS WRONG!!! And I also did not say anything about being "a lone Doctor Who fan" I just was saying you undid my edit that was correcting incorrect statements. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:52, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
: That thing Detour linked to when he reverted you sure seems to think you're wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::I found two sources that go against what LordDalek is claiming. One is a general science fiction Wiki and the other is the TARDIS Index File, the Doctor Who Wiki (which we link Doctor Who-related articles to). --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::ARGG! I have proof that what you said was wrong. Look, you right, they weren't called Daleks, nor they were Mark 3 Travel Machines. They were called merely mutants. Read this:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros|His solution is to remove all emotions pertaining to weakness, a category in which he groups such emotions as compassion, mercy and kindness, and place the mutants in tank-like "Mark III travel machines" partly based on the design of his wheelchair. He later names these creatures Daleks, an anagram of Kaleds.][[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:07, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::: Yyyyeah. You seem to be quoting the fictional history at us, while we're talking about the actual behind-the-scenes history of the characters. The comment you removed will stay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Actually, from a behind-the-scenes standpoint the name Dalek came first. But Who fiction-wise, it was established in a later serial (Genesis of the Daleks, the Daleks's origin story) that the original name of a Dalek was a Mark III Travel Machine. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_of_the_Daleks "At that moment, Davros enters the laboratory, and demonstrates his new "Mark III travel machine", which he later dubs as a "Dalek"."]. If you want the note to focus less on fiction and more on production, I can always tweak it. But it's still a factual note one way or another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:25, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
Better yet, read this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants|For the most part a Dalek is simply a Dalek.Notable exceptions usually refer to rank, such as "Emperor" and "Supreme Dalek", although in Genesis of the Daleks Davros refers to the newly created Dalek casing as a "Mark 3 Travel Machine".] For the last bloody time, Mark 3 Travel Machines refers to the CASING not the actual creature.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:14, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Listen ItsWalky, when the Daleks first appeared in 1963 THEY WERE CALLED DALEKS. Davros is part of the fictional history, and the real creator of the Daleks was Terry Nation, and he called them Daleks. There. I now have fictional and behind the scenes evidence. The comment must be removed.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:29, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why would you ''ever'' want to err on the side of ''removing'' information rather than clarifying it? When is less information better?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:15, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== This place is worse than Nazi Germany ==

SIEG HEIL, DON'T FUCK WITH THE LITTLE TRANSFORMER WIKIPEDIA. WE ONLY LIKE SOME POINTLESS ADDITIONS, NOT A LOT.

Fucking hypocrites. You included, Spanish twit.--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 18:13, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Please mind your language. And this kind of tantrum-throwing won't exactly have people joining your side in the argument. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:18, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Fanmodes ==

I got the impression, per the "Fan-configurations of toys" discussion in the community portal, that we ''don't'' avoid fan modes, that brief mention of such is okay. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:58, 19 November 2010 (EST)

== Koiter brothers ==

Thanks for catching that spelling error I missed on their names! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:36, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Grimstone ==

Grimstone's drones' Mini-Con compatibilities are '''not''' mentionned on their own page.

== Ahem ==

Why did you revert my talk page edit regarding the doctor who connection on Talk:Death's Head?
NVM I see, I screwed it up.

User talk:Detour

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Talk:Death's Head (G1)

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Good call re: "freelance peacekeeping agent"--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Although they are appropriately in the "Apocrypha" section, should Death's Heads 2 and 3 even be here?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 04:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

No, they shouldn't be. I have made an appropriate modification. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

== Freelance peacekeeping agents Cat ==

While funny, the "Freelance peacekeeping agents" category only has one article. I would vote for moving DH into "Bounty hunters". [[User:JW|JW]] 15:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
: I'm sure Death's Head would vote against that. And then kill you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, is there some kind of wiki trick we can use to bounce "Freelance Peacekeeping Agents" to "Bounty Hunters"? Aside from a simple redirect? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 17:04, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the cat being a subcat of Bounty Hunters makes that joke quite nicely.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:::If there's a way to include an article in a category without the category link showing up in the article we could simply make category: freelance peacekeeping agents a redirect. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:00, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::::A part of me does indeed want to keep the joke, but when we start suborning basic wiki functionality to support a very minor joke, I have to wonder if it's worth it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Death's Head 3.0 ==
The implication in Death's Head 3.0 is that it's showing the origin of the original Death's Head (and I think Furman confirmed as much when talking about the book at the Bristol Comic Expo a few years back). Should that not reflected either in the bio or the trivia? [[User:Danja|Danja]] 12:33, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:I thought he confirmed that they were connected "somehow." The nature of the conenction isn't clear, especially since we know Death's Head's origin. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:10, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
::I think, and this is going on hazy memories of a few years ago, the implication was that DH 3.0 would gradually upgrade himself into the Death's Head we know, hence the addition of the tusks at the end. Furman said he wanted DH to be using his trademark speech pattern at the end, but was overruled by Marvel, yes? [[User:Danja|Danja]] 04:04, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Indeed.
:::Incidentally, I'm curious about the use of (G1) as the parenthetical. I suppose it's mostly out of some idea of consistency, but the character is ''owned and in active use'' by Marvel (Death's Head proper will be showing up in Marvel's new SWORD series, and DH2 had a cameo in the last issue of Captain Britain). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:21, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, but he showed up in a Generation One continuity, meaning in Transformers, he's a G1. Also, I would say any info not pertaining to his Transformers run should be left out or just in a short trivia point [[USer:Eire]] 19.31 Aug 23 09(UTC)
::::It begs the question... if Spider-man had appeared in the Armada comic (same logic as Avengers/Transformers) would we have split him between Spider-man (G1) and Spider-man (Armada)?
:::::Considering that [[Spider-Man]] contains both G1 and ''Crossovers'' info, I don't think so. It appears that we deal with non-TF characters using somewhat different rules. (For what it's worth, if we ever DID have to disambiguate Spider-Man, I would be loathe to use "(G1)"... That seems to be stretching the concept of "franchise of origin" pretty far. Death's Head doesn't bug me as much because his franchise of origin really ''is'' G1, earlier-one-pager-for-Marvel's-copyright-purposes be damned. Circuit Breaker, too, was very much made in and for G1, despite the legal ramifications of the ''Secret Wars'' thing.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:10, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Well yes, I'd tend to agree. It was a bit of a spurious question, since it really hinges on how far we want to push our ignorance of non-TF material. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:21, 29 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::IMHO the question outside knowledge is actually irrelevant in this case. Due to the nature of the TF multiverse, the same Spider-Man couldn't be in both universes unless it was stated in the story that he'd dimension-hopped. So we would indeed have to make two separate articles for him. And... well, what disambigs would we use if not (G1) and (Armada)? Using, say, (Marvel Comics) and (Dreamwave) would be even ''weirder'' from a "knowing outside stuff" standpoint, IMHO. And I'm having trouble figuring out what other pair of two disambigs would be accurate enough to use. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:34, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

== SWORD ==

So, this week our freelance peacekeeping friend made his triumphant return to comics.

Worth a footnote mention or not?

:There WAS possibly an oblique reference to Transformers in it. That being that Death's Head is once again Transformer-sized...--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 21:37, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== Go! ==

I don't know if you would consider it overkill or not, but shouldn't his quick-link thing be "GO?" instead?[[Special:Contributions/67.175.13.87|67.175.13.87]] 23:04, 25 November 2009 (EST)

== Images with no descriptions or copyright ==

Whomever uploaded all of the images on this page better come back and fix the descriptions, as they've been broken since March. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:28, 23 December 2009 (EST)

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