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Talk:Micromaster

2009-09-27T09:52:54Z

212.10.154.35: /* Micro Transformers */

Does anyone have a scan (or a trsanscript) of the card-blurb Micromaster origin involvign the Pretenders?

(Or has Derik finally lost his mind, and is remembering things that never existed?)

Did the American 1989 Boxback art feature the Micromasters? Botch'a archive lacks it.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Will the Universe Micromasters go here too? --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 04:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

::I thought so too - I was just starting with what I knew. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 04:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

== Geez ==

Geez, there are a lot of these guys . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 13:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:''Finally,'' all the frickin' Micromasters have a page. Now I need to go through and tidy up any mistakes . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 00:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese Micromasters ==

We don't list the Japanese Micromasters here. We probably should. (Even though they're the same toys as the American ones, they are separate characters, with different allegiances, personalities, and such.) Or, we can ditch the list entirely, and replace it with categories. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Micro Transformers ==

Fixed the trivia point as the name "Micro Transformers" ''was'' used for the packaging of the first Patrols. Which makes it an early name variant rather than a mere "working name".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Um, I may be very much mistaken, but weren't the Micromaster toys sold as 'Microtransforemrs' in Japan? Which is a idea distinct from Micromasters? (Japanese microtransformers aren't micro, at least in Victory ,they're almost as tall as Laster Bracer etc.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
::Speaking of the Micro Transformers logo: How does the logo on the GiG packaging differ from the US/Euro packaging? All initial Patrols had the Micro Transformers logo, and later GiG Micro releases featured the standard 1989+ Transformers logo... That trivia information about them using it all the way is not valid, to my knowledge... --[[Special:Contributions/212.10.154.35|212.10.154.35]] 05:52, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

== Same character or not? ==
Should the Japanese characters be seen as distinct from their Western counterparts or not? Some article treat them as such, some not, thus on the one hand leading to separate articles for the same toy and on the other hand to some articles simply stating that the Japanese ones are "bumbling and precocious".

Pro Separation:
* Some do not only have distinct personalities, but also distinct names, like [[Pīpō]] and [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]].
* Especially those who are Autobots in the West and Decepticons in Japan can hardly be treated as different incarnations of the same character.
* The introductory section should be written continuity-neutral. This is not always the case due to the totally distinct characterizations. And, for example in the case of [[Oiler]] and others, it is not really right to state that they are members of the Metro Squad, because, well, in Japanese continuities they aren't. But on the other side many Micromasters are non-fiction characters in the West, so where else to put it if not in the introductory section?

Contra Separation:
* There's not really much to write about all the Japanese Micromasters beside their "precocious and bumbling" stuff.

Ah, yeah, and is it "precocious" or "precious"? The latter doesn't really make any sense (or?), but can be found way more often. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 20:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:"Precious" is correct, and in this context means "cute to the point of being a little annoying".
:The Micromasters who were Decepticons in the US and Autobots in Japan should have separate pages. They're different characters.
:Those who did not change allegiance should be treated as the same character who happens to be very different in two different continuities, and should be handled like on [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s page, with an explanatory note.
:All of this is just my opinion, of course. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, I can totally live with that. But I guess the guys with two names should also be treated as separate characters (Fixit/Pipo, Seawatch/Boater etc.) even though they didn't switch sides? And is there no one else out there who cares enough 'bout the Micros to drop a comment here? :) --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 21:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::To be fair, many Transformers have different names in English and Japanese (Optimus Prime/Convoy, Blaster/Broadcast, Metroplex/Metroflex) - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yah, it's an odd fact of Transformers that a character with a different name and personality in Japan is still "the same guy" as the American version. So, no, I don't think different names should mean it's a different character. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Speak of that, it reminds me Landmine/Lander things. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Micromaster

2009-09-27T09:52:39Z

212.10.154.35: /* Micro Transformers */

Does anyone have a scan (or a trsanscript) of the card-blurb Micromaster origin involvign the Pretenders?

(Or has Derik finally lost his mind, and is remembering things that never existed?)

Did the American 1989 Boxback art feature the Micromasters? Botch'a archive lacks it.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Will the Universe Micromasters go here too? --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 04:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

::I thought so too - I was just starting with what I knew. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 04:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

== Geez ==

Geez, there are a lot of these guys . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 13:43, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
:''Finally,'' all the frickin' Micromasters have a page. Now I need to go through and tidy up any mistakes . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 00:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese Micromasters ==

We don't list the Japanese Micromasters here. We probably should. (Even though they're the same toys as the American ones, they are separate characters, with different allegiances, personalities, and such.) Or, we can ditch the list entirely, and replace it with categories. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Micro Transformers ==

Fixed the trivia point as the name "Micro Transformers" ''was'' used for the packaging of the first Patrols. Which makes it an early name variant rather than a mere "working name".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:09, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Um, I may be very much mistaken, but weren't the Micromaster toys sold as 'Microtransforemrs' in Japan? Which is a idea distinct from Micromasters? (Japanese microtransformers aren't micro, at least in Victory ,they're almost as tall as Laster Bracer etc.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:14, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Speaking of the Micro Transformers logo: How does the logo on the GiG packaging differ from the US/Euro packaging? All initial Patrols had the Micro Transformers logo, and later GiG Micro releases featured the standard 1989+ Transformers logo... That trivia information about them using it all the way is not valid, to my knowledge... --[[Special:Contributions/212.10.154.35|212.10.154.35]] 05:52, 27 September 2009 (EDT)

== Same character or not? ==
Should the Japanese characters be seen as distinct from their Western counterparts or not? Some article treat them as such, some not, thus on the one hand leading to separate articles for the same toy and on the other hand to some articles simply stating that the Japanese ones are "bumbling and precocious".

Pro Separation:
* Some do not only have distinct personalities, but also distinct names, like [[Pīpō]] and [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]].
* Especially those who are Autobots in the West and Decepticons in Japan can hardly be treated as different incarnations of the same character.
* The introductory section should be written continuity-neutral. This is not always the case due to the totally distinct characterizations. And, for example in the case of [[Oiler]] and others, it is not really right to state that they are members of the Metro Squad, because, well, in Japanese continuities they aren't. But on the other side many Micromasters are non-fiction characters in the West, so where else to put it if not in the introductory section?

Contra Separation:
* There's not really much to write about all the Japanese Micromasters beside their "precocious and bumbling" stuff.

Ah, yeah, and is it "precocious" or "precious"? The latter doesn't really make any sense (or?), but can be found way more often. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 20:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:"Precious" is correct, and in this context means "cute to the point of being a little annoying".
:The Micromasters who were Decepticons in the US and Autobots in Japan should have separate pages. They're different characters.
:Those who did not change allegiance should be treated as the same character who happens to be very different in two different continuities, and should be handled like on [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s page, with an explanatory note.
:All of this is just my opinion, of course. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, I can totally live with that. But I guess the guys with two names should also be treated as separate characters (Fixit/Pipo, Seawatch/Boater etc.) even though they didn't switch sides? And is there no one else out there who cares enough 'bout the Micros to drop a comment here? :) --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 21:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::To be fair, many Transformers have different names in English and Japanese (Optimus Prime/Convoy, Blaster/Broadcast, Metroplex/Metroflex) - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yah, it's an odd fact of Transformers that a character with a different name and personality in Japan is still "the same guy" as the American version. So, no, I don't think different names should mean it's a different character. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Speak of that, it reminds me Landmine/Lander things. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)