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Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-05T17:50:01Z

213.202.130.69: /* Continuity errors */

{{episodenav|animated|16|season=1|prev=Megatron Rising - Part I|next=The Elite Guard}}

'''The Autobots are decimated by the Decepticon invasion, but still must rally to prevent the All Spark from falling into their clutches. '''

==Summary==

==Stats==

*'''Written by: Marty Isenberg'''
*'''Directed by:'''
*'''Original airdate:''' April 5, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (5)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (12)

|}

==Quotes==

"Decepticons, transform and rise up!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' has his own version of [[roll out]].

"Oh dear, this is all my fault!" 
"What? It's not like you built Megatron in your lab or anything." 
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' and '''Issac Sumdac''' have an awkward moment.

"If we go down, we go down fighting. And I can't think of a better band of Autobots I'd be prouder to fight along side." 
"Not even the Cybertron Elite Guard? Because I sure wouldn't mind having them here now." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' prepares to [[Furmanism|fight and die]] while '''Bumblebee''' would rather fight and live.

"I trust you are comfortable in your chair!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' to '''Isaac Sumdac'''. The choice of furniture was destined to come back to haunt him.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* At the beginning of the series, years were measured as solar cycles to Transformers, but Megatron refers to years as stellar cycles.
* Megatron said that Prowl slashed off his arm, wile he actually lost it due to Starscream who planted a bomb on Megatron's back. Prowl ''did'', however, slash a part off that remained after the explosion.

===Animation errors===
*When Ratchet catches Sari after Blackarachnia drops her, his right arm is intact. In the next scene, it's gone again.

* When Blitzwing changes faces after Megatron coldcocks Starscream, his face rotates vertically, not horizontally as it usually does.

===Transformers references===
*The manner in which the [[Ark (Animated)|Ark]] sticks out of the rock is reminescent to the [[Ark (G1)|original Ark]].

===Real-world references===
*Ref

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*The intro has a number of new sound effects added in.

*Despite the fact the Ark crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and co are nowhere to be seen. [[Slag (slang)|''Slag!!!!'']]

{{epstub}}
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Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-05T17:34:38Z

213.202.130.69: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

{{episodenav|animated|16|season=1|prev=Megatron Rising - Part I|next=The Elite Guard}}

'''The Autobots are decimated by the Decepticon invasion, but still must rally to prevent the All Spark from falling into their clutches. '''

==Summary==

==Stats==

*'''Written by: Marty Isenberg'''
*'''Directed by:'''
*'''Original airdate:''' April 5, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (5)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (12)

|}

==Quotes==

"Decepticons, transform and rise up!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' has his own version of [[roll out]].

"If we go down, we go down fighting. And I can't think of a better band of Autobots I'd be prouder to fight along side." 
"Not even the Cybertron Elite Guard? Because I sure wouldn't mind having them here now." 
:{{m-}}'''Optimus Prime''' prepares to [[Furmanism|fight and die]] while '''Bumblebee''' would rather fight and live.

"I trust you are comfortable in your chair!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' to '''Isaac Sumdac'''. The choice of furniture was destined to come back to haunt him.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* At the beginning of the series, years were measured as solar cycles to Transformers, but Megatron refers to years as stellar cycles.

===Animation Errors===
*When Ratchet catches Sari after Blackarachnia drops her, his right arm is intact. In the next scene, it's gone again.

* When Blitzwing changes faces after Megatron coldcocks Starscream, his face rotates vertically, not horizontally as it usually does.
===Transformers references===
*The manner in which the [[Ark (Animated)|Ark]] sticks out of the rock is reminescent to the [[Ark (G1)|original Ark]].

===Real-world references===
*Ref

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*The intro has a number of new sound effects added in.

*Despite the fact the Ark crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and co are nowhere to be seen. [[Slag (slang)|''Slag!!!!'']]

{{epstub}}
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Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-05T17:27:08Z

213.202.130.69: /* Other notes */

{{episodenav|animated|16|season=1|prev=Megatron Rising - Part I|next=The Elite Guard}}

'''The Autobots are decimated by the Decepticon invasion, but still must rally to prevent the All Spark from falling into their clutches. '''

==Summary==

==Stats==

*'''Written by: Marty Isenberg'''
*'''Directed by:'''
*'''Original airdate:''' April 5, 2008

===Featured characters===


(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (5)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (12)

|}

==Quotes==

"Decepticons, transform and rise up!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' has his own version of [[roll out]].

"I trust you are comfortable in your chair!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' to '''Sumdac'''. The choice of furniture was destined to come back to haunt him.

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* At the beginning of the series, years were measured as solar cycles to Transformers, but Megatron refers to years as stellar cycles.

===Animation Errors===
*When Ratchet catches Sari after Blackarachnia drops her, his right arm is intact. In the next scene, it's gone again.

* When Blitzwing changes faces after Megatron coldcocks Starscream, his face rotates vertically, not horizontally as it usually does.
===Transformers references===
*The manner in which the [[Ark (Animated)|Ark]] sticks out of the rock is reminescent to the [[Ark (G1)|original Ark]].

===Real-world references===
*Ref

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*Despite the fact the Ark crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and co are nowhere to be seen. [[Slag (slang)|''Slag!!!!'']]

{{epstub}}
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Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-05T17:26:22Z

213.202.130.69: /* Quotes */

{{episodenav|animated|16|season=1|prev=Megatron Rising - Part I|next=The Elite Guard}}

'''The Autobots are decimated by the Decepticon invasion, but still must rally to prevent the All Spark from falling into their clutches. '''

==Summary==

==Stats==

*'''Written by: Marty Isenberg'''
*'''Directed by:'''
*'''Original airdate:''' April 5, 2008

===Featured characters===


(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (10)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (4)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (5)
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (7)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (12)

|}

==Quotes==

"Decepticons, transform and rise up!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' has his own version of [[roll out]].

"I trust you are comfortable in your chair!" 
:{{m-}}'''Megatron''' to '''Sumdac'''. The choice of furniture was destined to come back to haunt him.

==Other notes==
*Note

===Continuity errors===
* At the beginning of the series, years were measured as solar cycles to Transformers, but Megatron refers to years as stellar cycles.

===Animation Errors===
*When Ratchet catches Sari after Blackarachnia drops her, his right arm is intact. In the next scene, it's gone again.

* When Blitzwing changes faces after Megatron coldcocks Starscream, his face rotates vertically, not horizontally as it usually does.
===Transformers references===
*The manner in which the [[Ark (Animated)|Ark]] sticks out of the rock is reminescent to the [[Ark (G1)|original Ark]].

===Real-world references===
*Ref

===Miscellaneous trivia===
*Despite the fact the Ark crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] and co are nowhere to be seen. [[Slag (slang)|''Slag!!!!'']]

{{epstub}}
[[Category:Animated episodes]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-05T16:55:22Z

213.202.130.69: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

Megatron Rising - Part 2

2008-04-05T16:54:42Z

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Talk:Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)

2008-04-05T16:11:14Z

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==Character list==

Should we add one, now that Roddy's been confirmed, (complete with twisty tache)

==Separate Continuity?==
So Siph brought it up and Steve-o and I talked about it for a bit... Anyway, how are we going to treat the characters from BotCon 2008? From what we know about the set, it's clearly just G1-but-evil, so I don't think it's different enough to pass off as a separate continuity family. On the other hand, it'd be cleaner to give them their own pages. Meanwhile, pages like Optimus Prime's are long enough that even his fiction sections need to begin being split off anyway.

What I think we should do, at the moment, is treat Mirror Optimus Prime as a split from G1 Prime's page. As.... [[Optimus Prime (G1 mirror)]], maybe? Also, uh, create some [[Optimus Prime (G1 cartoon)]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1 Marvel)]] pages and the like. Akin to Wikipedia, Optimus Prime's main page should have abbreviated versions of these sections which link to the full versions on separate pages. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not so sure I'm up for splitting the pages around. True, some like Optimus and Megatron are quite large, but some of them are also ''quite'' small. I just don't think that we should split up just because a page is getting large. We've discussed that kinda idea at Wookieepedia before, and we concluded that it would just be easier to keep it all at one page. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm also against splitting up large pages of main characters, since keeping it all in one page would help readers get the full history of the character (well as much as we've written) from the various continuities. Easier for editing too, if one doesn't need to keep track of two different fictional versions of the same character on two different pages (three if you also have to add a summerised version on the main Optimus Prime (G1) page).
::As for Mirror Prime... how about we just call him Optimus Prime (Mirror)? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Technically, he shouldn't be a new page, so long as he's clearly a G1 Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps giving them [[Timelines]] parentheticals would be valid?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Look who all's in the set... Prime, Jazz, Bumblebee, Grimlock and Starscream. Aren't all those pages already hideously long? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
And oh yeah. I'm against splitting up the Fiction sections. Toys into their own, yes. But I'm leery of splitting up Fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:So in ten years, when Optimus Prime's page is three times as long, that'll be okay? That sounds a little ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:'''About fiction sections:''' What Walky and I discussed perhaps hasn't been clearly explained here: We're not saying to take the fiction section out entirely like we did with "toys". The idea is that in the case of very long articles (like Prime's), we can take, say, the cartoon subsection, create a new article out of it, and in its spot on the main Prime page just have a summary of the high points with a note "see this other article for all the details". (Of course, his cartoon subsection right now isn't especially complete anyway. He appears in nearly every episode of Seasons 1-2 but most of those events aren't mentioned.) Important stuff in the main article, excruciating detail in a separate article. Perhaps it's not quite time for that yet, but eventually it will be. Like Walky says, G1 Prime's fiction section is just going to get longer and longer.
:'''About Shattered Glass guys:''' If we treat them as distinct characters with their own pages, I think "Shattered Glass" is the appropriate parenthetical. Definitely not "mirror" since that word doesn't seem to be in the description of the set. There should definitely be linking between the Shattered and normal articles, though. Perhaps even with the normal guys having a Timeslines: Shattered Glass subsection that says "see this other article for his evil counterpart".
:--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm...I suppose that's okay, if we keep the main highlights in the main article. But I also agree that now is not the time. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Then when? Optimus Prime's page, even sans toys, is already twice as long than is recommended. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::Considering that we treat Universe Obsidian, Tankor, and Inferno as distinct characters with their own pages despite just being alternate timeline variations, then clearly the Shattered Glass guys should get their own articles. "Shattered Glass" would be my choice of parenthetical as well. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Frankly, I've been against splitting those dudes up for some time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::I vote for these dudes getting their own pages. If they're "mirror" versions, they have completely different personalities and hence would need completely new profile writeups as well as fiction sections. If you wanna compare Tankor and Obsidian, they were basically the same dudes; they'd just made different choices along the line. This doesn't seem to be the case for the Shattered Glass guys. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, PacifistPrime here.

I just thought I'd chip in with my two cents, since I created these first ''Shattered Glass'' articles last night. I think we should keep the articles for these characters separate, at least for now. Although yes, obviously, it does '''''appear''''' to be the case that ''Shattered Glass'' is just "Mirror G1" (as it were), we don't actually '''''know''''' that yet. I mean, to be fair, I think some of us are gettng ahead of ourselves here. Until we know otherwise for sure, I'm of the opinion that we should treat these as separate characters (just like the alternate universe [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)|Optimus Prime from the ''Armada'' comic]]. I mean, if ''he'' gets his own page, then I think these guys should.

And I certainly think "Shattered Glass" is the preferable paranthetical, since there is (as yet) no other official term like "mirror" being used in relation to the set. Furthermore, it fits with our general naming convention of using the title of the character's native franchise/continuity, e.g. [[Thrust (Armada)]], [[Tankor (BM)]], [[Grimlock (Animated)]] etc..

Cheers,
--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:Hey, PP, could you sign your posts with four tildes, so we can see what time you made the post? It helps for keeping track of discussions.
:On-topic, we're staring at the fundamental problem of how "different" a continuity needs to be, to no longer be G1. The most inclusive definition seems to be, "If all the robot characters have the same names and approximate roles as characters from the G1 toyline, it's a G1 continuity. Unless it's the Movie." Time period is irrelevant, human characters are irrelevant, when and how the robots came to Earth is irrelevant, altmodes are irrelevant, the origin of the TF species is irrelevant . . . et cetera.
:But, if want to include Shattered Glass as a G1 continuity, we need to drop "approximate role". Unless "who's the good guy and who's the bad guy" is not considered to be part of "role". [[User:JW|JW]] 21:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, you gotta remember that part of the reason for the continuity family splits here on the Wiki is simple bookkeeping and convenience. The Movie has a big G1 influence; it could also be considered a ground-up reinvention; but either way, it heralded an unprecedented avalanche of new toys, characters and fiction. That alone was a good reason to separate it. By contrast, I don't think Shattered Glass will go much further than a story or two, some bios, and a small set of toys. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:::''"part of the reason for the continuity family splits here on the Wiki is simple bookkeeping and convenience"''
:::Granted. However, part of our current problem is that a lot of little things have added up to become a big thing. If OP (G1) was just the Marvel comic and the original cartoon, he'd be more manageable, but a bajillion little G1-ish bits have been added on to him. We can keep adding little bits on to him, or we can say that some of them are different enough to warrant a new page. The universe in which he's a murderous fiend fits that bill.
:::(Our criteria can't sensibly be ''size,'' after all.) [[User:JW|JW]] 22:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh, yeah, I'm all for giving the ''characters'' their own pages -- they share names and bodies, but they have new personalities. But it sounded like some people are wondering if SG should be a whole different continuity family, which IMO is overkill -- I think it can easily fit under the G1 umbrella. I might have just misunderstood what someone was saying, too. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Based on what is known so far about the set/story, I have the following positions:
#Shattered Glass should be placed under the G1 umbrella. Yes, Prime is now evil, but he's still the leader, etc.. His role isn't ''that'' different.
#Each Shattered Glass character should have their own character page, with links back and forth to their "regular" character. Despite thinking of Shattered Glass as being G1, I think that the character differences ''in concert with'' bookkeeping/convenience factors make splitting the best option. I don't want my Bumblebee fiction section to be full of all this stuff about "normal" Bumblebees and then in the middle there's this random evil Bumblebee who has no fictional connections to all the surrounding material.
--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
: I suppose that works. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:Steve-o, I'm curious as to what you mean by "fictional connection". I mean, is the fictional connection between OP (IDW) and OP (Marvel) stronger than the fictional connection between OP (Marvel) and OP (Shattered Glass)?
:(Of course, all this essentially gets back to the problem that OP (Marvel) and OP (Sunbow) are from two different universes, but were represented by the same toy(s), and came into being at the same time, so they're "the same guy". I can't find a way of disagreeing with that which doesn't lead to more problems than it solves. Like, those G1 toys who didn't appear in fiction {{m-}} are they from the Marvel universe, the Sunbow universe, or somewhere else entirely? Bleh!) [[User:JW|JW]] 17:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::"Connection" isn't really the right word, but it was the best I could come up with at the time. "Similarity", maybe? I mean, the Bumblebee fiction would read like...
::{{quote|'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe.}}
::And that's just not a sensible page. Makes way more sense to split him out.
::--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Heya, PacifistPrime here again. I agree that the characters should have separate pages (I mean, if [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)]] gets a page, then ''surely''...!), but I'm unclear about the designation of the overall continuity/universe. Are we simply talking about category tags here, or something else? From a metafictional, rather than organisational, point of view I've always preferred (somewhat controversially) to have a more conservative view of G1 than the "everything but the movie" approach favoured here. In my view, broad issues of toy-accurate altmodes and basic storyline-premise/character mythology are pretty important, which is why I've always argued that the IDWverse and the MovieVerse are each different enough to all prior versions of G1 (even if they're not ''equally'' dissimilar) that they should '''both''' be considered to fall within ''or'' without the G1 continuity family. And, in developments since I originally aired this opinion, I'd say the same now goes for ''Transformers Animated'', which is also evidently a deeply G1-ish universe.

Indeed, now that we've got Animated in the mix, I'd argue that it's become even ''less'' defensible that the IDWverse is being categorised here as part of G1 when these other two aren't. Although it takes some cues from the MovieVerse, granted, I think it's a pretty hard sell to deem Animated as being ''all that much more'' radically different from G1 than the IDWverse, given that both use almost exclusively G1 characters with non-G1-toy accurate designs and drastically different basic storyline premises, human characters and background mythos. Apart from a debatable organisational imperative to avoid splitting articles, I increasingly fail to see a reasonable rational for lumping IDW in with G1 when Animated and Movie are not.

But I digress. As far as ''Shattered Glass'' ' category is concerned, I think it should be regarded as a separate [[continuity]] but probably not belonging to a separate [[continuity family]], ''at least until we know more''.

Also, aren't we jumping the gun a bit with the Timelines categorisation? Sure, it's extremely probable that it'll get that designation, but shouldn't we wait until this is official?

Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 07:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

==Bring in the funny==
Since this is all about evil twins, I submit that the article is in desperate need of a joke about how they will mainly be identified by their goatees. Anyone else?

(Clearly, however, it would have to be written so that its status as a '''joke''' is clear, lest anyone be misled) [[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 01:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Just remember that Omega Trion would have no facial hair, unlike his good universe counterpart. --[[User:Blue Spider|Blue Spider]] 05:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== The comic ==

...oh God, there's comic preview pages on the Botcon site.

The whole thing is drawn to look like a G2 homage. Linestyle, coloring, ''everything''.

It even has a ''huge'' sprinkling of Furmanisms.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:Is this supposed to be April Fools? I'm not seeing anything on the Botcon page. All I see is a drawing of a robotic hand on the TF Club main page. They say the comic previews will go up on the 3rd. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind, found em. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-comic-preview-and-more-guests-announced-this-week-164541/] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Not linked on the main site, but ''hosted'' there. These brought tears to my eyes. They're just made of ''100% pure win''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is unmitigated awesome. I love it. They've even got the Double Pretender spider in the background on the second page, wot? The good versions of the evil Botcon characters are pure hilarity.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Is that... is that Shattered Glass Cicadacon? Dude!
::::Edit: No... no, wait, I'm an idiot. Still bucket-loads of awesome, though - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh lordy, they're trying to kill the Wiki.

:::::We've got:
:::::*[[Astrotrain (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Astro-Hook (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Astro-Line (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Astro-Sinker (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Bug Bite (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Buzzclaw (Shattered Glass)]] or [[Dirge (Shattered Glass)]] (or [[Dirge (Shattered Glass Insecticon)]])
:::::*[[Buzzsaw (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Deathsaurus (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Dirge (Shattered Glass)]] (or [[Dirge (Shattered Glass Seeker)]]) or [[Thrust (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Overbite (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Seawing (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Snaptrap (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Tentakil (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Thundercracker (Timelines)]]

:::::If they use both Dirges, I will kill somebody. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::To keep things from cluttering up the wiki, I'd suggest a general [[Mayhem Suppression Squad]] page for those guys, seeing as they're only in one panel. Point out that they're Good-Alternate-Universe-Doppelgangers of their 'real' versions, link to said 'real' versions from there and call it a day. [[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 19:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Seems to be the most sensible approach. Should have a sizable trivia section explaining that every one of these was a convention exclusive.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The whole "I, Grimlock, wot?" thing transcends cool into sublime. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh my christ. They actually made this universe hilariously awesome. Way to fucking go, Savage & Co. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:If you ask me, this makes ''all'' the difference. All the goofiness of the concept of this universe, all the silly looks of the figures, all of this is vindicated in this moment with this the most sublime of convention comics. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for the Diamond edition of this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::...well crud. It was just Sipher pulling one over on us. It could have been beautiful. I want blood, Sipher! Blooooood!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I KNEW it was too well-written to be a Botcon comic! --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 17:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])
I dub this "Shattered Expectations"... though I don't think we're DONE with this goofyass take at all. At least, not if we have any say about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:...So, horribly-dashed expectations of awesomeness aside, how Official are the April Fools' Pages? Does Shattered Glass Jazz get a "Shattered Expectations" sub-heading along the lines of the Marvel Comics Continuity/Animated Continuity divide where it says "He was totally G2ishly Evil Mr. T"? [[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 18:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think we ought to do exactly that. Jazz talking like Mr. T is too much fun to go unchronicled.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Depending on how utterly shit the finished comic is, I hereby present the possibility of forgoing "Shattered Expectations" (which could mean something ''better'' than what you expected) and using "Shattered Hopes" (which means "Man, this is shit"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:These definately need to be in there. Especially since Fun Pub now plans to go back to them at some point since the fandom that they thought would hate it actually loved these better than just about everything else they've ever done. :) Not sure the best way to tag them though.[[User:71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 19:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what's Wiki policy on images from Shattered Expectations? Except for the APRIL FOOL'S! page, they aren't actually officially hosted anywhere public, even though they were intentionally uploaded and kept incredibly-obviously-easily-discovered-secret with the intention of having someone figuring out how to incredibly-obviously easily discover and share them.{{unsigned|Omnibus}}
:Good question. Sipher, can we consider these to be officially released material (and thus fair game for comic panels)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it should be all good. I mean, it was MEANT to be spread... like your mom. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to go ahead and ask if anyone want's to put up what the preview pages (posted '''today''') on the fiction, or just leave it with the joke Fun Pub pulled over on us? I'm running tight on time right now and if no one has seen the 3 pages, it depicts the real Cliffjumper, going through some kinda rift on Earth and ending up on a Cybertron that is all kinds of backwards for him. Not to mention that Hot Rod looks awesome in Decepticon colors ''and'' a freaking goatte. Just wanna throw this out there because I'm not the best when it comes to writing some of this stuff. Whadda think?[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:...if Hot Rod with a Spock-style Van Dyke is the bagged exclusive for the convention, I may have to sell my blood to be able to afford him.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Spotlight: Ramjet

2008-04-04T22:13:31Z

213.202.130.69: /* Notes */

[[Image:Spotlight_Ramjet_a.jpg|thumb|right|200px|I'm a sexy beast!]]
{{comicnav | Spotlight (comics)| 10 | seriesname=''The Transformers: Spotlight''| prev=Spotlight: Optimus Prime | next=Spotlight: Blaster}}
'''Ramjet schemes to overthrow Megatron. Who knew the guy had it in him?'''

==Synopsis==
Skywarp diverts from his mission to meet with Ramjet in mid-flight. While speeding across the skies, Ramjet and Skywarp discuss the failings of Megatron and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Ramjet boasts that he has the smarts to overthrow Megatron, and tries to enlist Skywarp. Skywarp gives him 24 hours to come up with a good plan, reminding him of the old Cybertronian saying, "Always bet on the leader." Ramjet checks in with his Mini-Constructicons, who inform him that the Universal Cybertronic Tracker will be ready in 18 hours. Ramjet next contacts his Pentagon-employed [[facsimile]] Harrison (who, due to inferior construction, appears dimwitted) and tells him to be prepared to deliver missile codes. Ramjet will use the missiles to devastate the United States.

As Megatron and his Decepticons begin their war in [[Brasnya]] (as seen in [[Escalation issue 4|''Escalation,'' issue 4]]), Ramjet flies to the European Union Alternative Energy Research Center and drops fliers for an unspecified contest. A money symbol on the flier is actually a spy device which jumps off the paper and attaches itself to the computers of the Center's employees. Ramjet believes that someone at the Center will eventually develop a useful Energon substitute. Megatron, meanwhile delivers to [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] the beating of his life (as seen in [[Escalation issue 5|''Escalation,'' issue 5]]).

Ramjet later returns to his Mini-Constructicons, and they have his device ready. When two of them ask for a taste of his power once he overthrows Megatron, Ramjet destroys them for their insolence. Harrison meets with Ramjet and delivers the codes, but his face is melting off due to his inferior creation. Ramjet boasts of his plans to his liquefying lackey, which include tracking all Cybertronians, acquiring his Energon substitute, blowing up the U.S., enslaving the [[Decepticon]]s and humans of [[Earth]], and using a superstring [[space bridge]] to dominate the galaxy.

Unfortunately for Ramjet, Megatron arrives and beats him mercilessly, ripping out his spark. He scatters Ramjet's parts at Ramjet's base, Harrison's office at the Pentagon, and the Energy Research Center, indicating that he knew about Ramjet's plans in detail. Megatron keeps Ramjet's head as a trophy and an object lesson for his other troops. Skywarp echoes his earlier statement, "Always bet on the leader."

==Credits==
'''Script:''' [[Stuart Moore]] 
'''Art:''' [[Robby Musso]] 
'''Colors:''' [[Josh Burcham]] 
'''Lettering:''' [[Chris Mowry]] 
'''Editors:''' [[Chris Ryall]] and [[Andrew Steven Harris]] 
* ''Originally published:'' November 7, 2007
* ''Continuity:'' [[IDW continuity]]

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (1)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (2)
* [[Mini-Constructicon]]s (3)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (4)
| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |

* [[Harrison]] (5)
|}

== Errors ==
* On page 17, in the first speech bubble, the sentence is unfinished.

==Notes==
* This issue takes place after the ''[[New Avengers / Transformers]]'' miniseries, and is written by the same author.
* This is the second ''[[Spotlight (comics)|Spotlight]]'' not written by [[Simon Furman]].
* The timeframe of the issue corresponds with the events in the ''[[Escalation]]'' series.
* Apparently, IDW Transformers can fart (page 7). In general terms, this is [[Humanizing#Flatulence|not a new development]].
* As Harrison collapses to the ground, it can also be seen that his car is wrecked and smoking. This is not adequately explained, though some possibilities are that A) it was, like Harrison, constructed with inferior facsimile technology (why not use a regular car?), B) it was destroyed by Megatron as he snuck up on Ramjet (why?), or C) it's just general symbolism for how everything around Ramjet was about to turn to crap. Or D) Harrison is a brainless shell barely able to go "guh" and driving means he crashes a lot.
* IDW's first mention of a space bridge is in this issue.
* Following the story are two pages of sketches by [[Robby Musso]].
* This is the only ''Spotlight'' issue that does not appear to be part of a larger storyline. While other ''Spotlights'' have answered questions raised in previous issues, brought up mysteries that created new questions, or introduced future plot developments, this one seems to be relatively self-contained. The only references to the rest of the storyline exist merely for chronological placement. However, Simon Furman mentioned on his blog that Ramjet may show up again. It's also possible that some of Ramjet's plans may be co-opted by Megatron.

===Covers (3)===
[[Image:Spotlight_Ramjet_b.jpg|thumb|right|200px|And he would have gotten away with it if it weren't for Megatron's head hovering behind him the whole time.]]
* '''Cover A:''' Ramjet, robot and alternate modes by [[Robby Musso]] and [[Kieran Oats]] (colors)
* '''Cover B:''' Ramjet, Megatron and Skywarp by [[Guido Guidi]] and [[Josh Burcham]] (colors)
* '''Cover RI:''' Cover A, uncolored sketch

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