User talk:DrSpengler

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=="Call 1-800-doctorb. The B is for Bargain!"==
''Voice actor:'' [[Maurice LaMarche]]

There wasn't a "." in "DrSpengler" so it wouldn't technically qualify as a proper "Dr." abbreviation. Just me keeping myname the way it's been for 7 years. ;(

But it's okay.

This isn't gonna change the name I use to log in, is it? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:58, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm doesn't look like it will. Alright, no big deal. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 01:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

He he he... I'm making mischief! (You can move it back if you like.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Monzo's thingy==
I realize these Japanese entries are basically stubs at this point, Speng, but you may want to copy the base code out of a pre-existing profile and use that... like, the first instance of a name in a profile is always bolded, the divisions for Fiction and Toy, etc. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Um==
Image:Scrash.jpg - ...what? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Christ, I didn't think anybody was EVER gonna notice that. Oh, and that's an advertisement at a pizza joint here in Springfield that's been boggling the minds of pizza-lovers since the late 80's. I'm sure if the guys at TV Magazine ever got around to drawing Scrash they would've made him a little black girl. Almost positive, in fact.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Images==
Hey, Spengler, I wouldn't give a shit if I couldn't see Derik freaking out over it in Recent changes, but be sure to add <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki> to all of the images owned by Takara and Hasbro you upload and the specific company and date (the last part I'm not so sure about, but whatever), like on [[:Image:PredakingTVMag1.jpg]]. Thanks. Thumbs up to your manga edits. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:32, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:It doesnt' actually bother me that much. I was bad at it when I first started too. (the wiki still has a bunch of un-credited images from it's early days before we cracked down on adding copyright info, we fix 'em as we see 'em)

:Spengler just had a LOT, so I fixed what I could find. I think I hit about 80% of 'em, and I'm willing to call it a day.

:Go forth and sin no more my son. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Not a problem. I was used to uploading pics in the regular Wikipedia, which had a drop-down bar on the uploading screen which allowed you to select specific copyright options. So when I found no such thing on this wiki I figured "Oh, guess it doesn't matter?" But yeah, not a problem. I'll start adjusting all my pics from now on. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 06:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

: Thank you! o^.^o -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, just went through my entire "User Contributions" list and added the copyright info to every single picture I've posted on this wiki, so we should be square. Thanks for getting so many of em for me.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 07:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

==Notes==
:Ah, Speng? You don't have to add a series title after a profile's name if the name has never been used by another character. That's why people move some of the pages you make, like Predaking, Tigerhawk, etc - there aren't any other guys with those names, so the tagging is redundant.

:Also, the point of the italics at the opening section... it's supposed to be a one-sentence thing about what continuity they're in (like "so-and-so is a (faction) during the (whatever)"). The descrptive part after that (where the name gets bolded) is not italicized.

:When all else fails, default to [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Sunstreaker Sunstreaker] or [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Hot_Rod Hot Rod] for formatting - they're our formatting example boys.

:(And, er... this is just a personal point of view, but we don't require ''everything'' to be jokey/sarcastic. Feel free to be informative without mirth.)

:I apologize if I'm being blunt about this, but I felt the points worth mentioning. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

*No prob. It's taking me longer to get the hang of this than I tought. The (BWG1OCUC) crap is half me not thinking about it/half me thinking there was someone in another story with the same name. I'll hold back on those more often.

And the jokes, well, I'm just naturally a jokey kinda guy and one of the things Sipher stressed to me in the PM he sent requesting my help was "Just make em funny". If I've gone past the territoy of "funny" and into "obnoxious" I'll give it a rest, no sweat. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:52, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm faintly apalled that someoen other than me recognized lyrics to a rap song that onyl appeared ont he B-side of a movie soundtrack from the late 80's. -20:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

*I'm one of the four people on the planet who actually owned a copy of the Ghostbusters II soundtrack. You are in an exclusive club, Mister! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

:Then I'm probably the only person to reques this song on the radio, only to learn at a tender age that they only play singles. (This is probably a precursor to my only listenign to alternative radio that plays b-side tracks today, actually.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Seiyu==
I'm happy someone else is interested in seiyu. Most of the Transformers actors were listed individually in the [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4813010946/ Transformers: Generations] book. Some of the Laserdiscs and DVD sets also had cast info. Although sometimes some info condradicts other sources. The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4861760364/ First Series Complete] lists many of The Rebirth dub actors (which I haven't been putting in here for the most part, so not to confuse people). The [http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4902314282/ Micron Legend Year Book] lists virtually ''every'' character and voice from the series.

As for dubs of American movies, you might try [http://www.tora-2.com/index.html tora-2.com]. I got a few hits for the [http://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%83S%81%5B%83X%83g%83o%83X%83%5E%81%5B%83Y&hl=ja&btnG=Google+%8C%9F%8D%F5&domains=tora-2.com&sitesearch=tora-2.com DVD version of Ghostbusters] there.

If you want, I could try posting my giant (Japanese language) seiyu list on one of our talk pages or something. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 03:34, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:...Speng is going voice actors? Sweet. 'cuz I dont' think I'll ever get back to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa this].

:(The link at the bottom also contaisn goodness) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:29, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh hey, you read Japanese, dont' you Speng? Which way am I supposed to read Doug's list relative to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/598c878dfd2f833c/9d29f063307b01fa?lnk=st&q=&rnum=2#9d29f063307b01fa these pages?]
The way I'm doing it now makes Rhinox a pretty girl, and that doesn't seem right somehow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

==Matrices==
Hey, Speng? Did you see [[Talk:Matrix_of_Leadership#Fire_Convoy|this discussion]] we had on Japanese Matrices? Given that both Lio Convoy and Fire Convoy specifically had an "Energon Matrix", I'm wondering if that's what Primal and Big Convoy were also supposed to have... I don't have any good Neo-specific books, though, and Big Convoy's instructions only call his device a "Matrix" (with no qualifiers). I DO have a book that's basically Cine-Manga of the BW2nd movie... maybe that would specify what Primal's is.

(Also, I continue to doubt the existence of the "Hyper Convoy" thing beyond it being something Star Upper once called himself.)

What do you think about all this? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, the name "Leadership Matrix" never really sat well with me, as it was just sorta "made-up" as a means to differentiate it from the Matrix of Leadership. I wouldn't object to Leadership Matrix being changed to "Energon Matrix", since that's the name that's most commonly seen.

As for Hyper Convoy, that I really know little on, as I haven't had the pleasure of reading the Neo manga. I wrote the article-itself based on what I was told happened in the Neo manga. I honestly don't recall a single use of the term in any of the BW animation, though my memory of some of that show is a bit sketchy. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 02:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

==BWII Ships==
The Predacon ship in Beast Wars II has the incredibly unfortunate title of "Galvaburg II" - as in Hindenburg, one assumes. Which really makes one wonder what happened to the "Galvaburg I", and why Galvatron would decide to use that name ''again''.

The Maximal ship is the "Yukikaze", which I think literally means "snow wind" - however, since the name is rendered in katakana and not kanji, it doesn't get translated for the article title (a la Majin Zarak not being Demon Zarak). --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

== Speakin' of translating Manga ==

I've got a BW2 roleplaying book that has a bunch of BW2 omake (and a short left-to-right manga) in it. woulds you be interested in translating? (I've become more interested in documenting the omake since learning that FMA integrated a bunch of the manga's omake in the anime-- they may be AU-- but they're still cannon.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:36, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:...a ...roleplaying... book? Like a sourcebook for a system or like a gamebook or what? I'm totally interested in this, as a retired RPG fag. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

If the kanji has furigana, and it's big-enough for me to see, then sure, I can give it a go. You can e-mail me the scans (or put em on photobucket, whichever). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 04:44, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

:If this is what I think it is, it's not a role-playing book in the sense of being an RPG stats book, but rather the book about ''how to play with your toys'' that I bought at BotCon. Like, "LioConvoy is captured under the desk! Pick a Cybertron with high stats to defeat Starscream and BB (assuming you own them)!" --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

*Good gravy... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
::Japanese kids aren't expected to be very creative, I guess. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

....Wow. I kind of want a copy of it EVEN MORE now. That sounds in-fucking SANE. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

==Nemesis==
Hey, Speng. Just watched a boatload of BW2nd clips on youtube, and I noticed that... Galvatron's Nemesis appears to devour both Jupiter and Saturn. Sucked 'em up like a vaccuum cleaner. I don't have any context for when these events happened, but they definitely seem worthy of adding to the Nemesis's fiction section. Do you know where the info would go? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

*I believe it happened at the point where the Nemesis was looming menacingly over everyone's heads, figuratively, as Galvatron had summoned it to Gaia. It took, like, a thousand episodes to freaking GET THERE. But yeah, that IS significant. heck, there's even a screencap of the thing sucking Saturn at the [[Nemesis (BWII)]] article. I'll add it into the summary. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

==PD Type and G2 Manga Brat==

Hey speng, what were [http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/japanese/superdeformed.php?dgallery_show=deformed/SDComicTrans01.jpg these] packed in with? Theyr'e (c) 1990, which is why I asks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looking at my copy of Generations it would appear to be "gum pack toys". Tiny super deformed toys bearing the likeness of the PD Type comic characters came in tiny packs with gum, the manga and a character bio "interview". I did a quick article on it here: [[Transformer PD Type]]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

And here's an archive of the comics online (untranslated, of course): [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/etc/pdtf/pdtf_index.htm Kabay]. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

:You are cool, and punctual.
:What's [http://www.emopanda.com/JP.rar this kid's] name? I want to give him a page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

*Looks like his name is "Junpei". No last name that I could find. "The Earth is in Danger" is actually next on my list to translate. Now that I've scanned over it more thoroughly looking for that punk's name, maybe I'll get to work on it this week... --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 05:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

==I'ma Questionin' Yer Thinkin'==
What's your source for the trivia over on [[Cosmos]]' Japanese name? I know it's from somewhere given that you put it in, I just want to know where.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

:If Nevermore said it, I'd take his word for it considering how meticulously he researches... everything. So the article's probably fine.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::Doug Dlin also has said so as well. There is also a Kinnikuman/Ultimate Muscle UFO character called '''The Adams''' (Ski Adams in the U.S.) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinnikuman_Nisei_characters].

==Capitalisation Question==
Hey man, thanks for the punctuation clean-up on my new [[Scale]] article; much appreciated. Just one question though, is it actually a rule that one has to decap all the Unicron "He"s and "Him"s? It is the appropriate usage for a god, after all... Let me know, ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

*Hmm I think you might have me confused with someone else. I don't recall doing that. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== Translatin' request ==

[[Talk:Beast Wars Neo (manga)|here]] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Insert formula here

==Primitives?==

Do we need to tag all of those characters as such? It's pretty continuity-specific, which bugs me though maybe also applies to some existing tags. But it also is a really arbitrary descriptor. The "Primitives" in COTP were basically just the TFs with animal altmodes, and as such this category would include only those Transformers who existed at the time AND were included in the episode. This makes for quite a few characters who SHOULD fit in the category but arbitrarily won't, and even more so makes for a category that... basically means nothing.

Are we also going to make "Cars", "Trucks", "Helicoptors", and "Tanks" categories? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:The difference here is that "Primitives" is a specifically-named group. Also, I believe all the Transformers Spengler put in the category actually do belong there, unlike the person who originally made the page and threw in characters from UT and BW. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 05:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What he said. "Primitives" doesn't apply to every animal Transformer, but just the ones that were summoned by the Oracle in "COTP". --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, like I said, then, that's a category that only applies to one very specific storyline in one particular continuity. Do we need a category like that? Is there a precedent; some other category that's similar that's been done already? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:As I said on Category talk:Primitives the first time around, I think making a category for the primitives is unnecessary. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Title Translations Por Favor ==
<nowiki>
[[Beast Wars 2 Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Neo Guidebook]],
[[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers Guidebook]],
[[Masterforce Guidebook]]</nowiki>

I'd like a more 'proper' title on these guys if you could (especially sicne I own another MAsterforce guidebook) feel free to move the page if you can come up with one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

==About the Metros images==

I dunno your level of Photoshoppery, but would it be possible for you to cut the "main" images of the guys from their backgrounds onto solid white? I would, but I'm in the middle of another art project and really shouldn't even be letting myself get as distracted with wikiwork as I am now. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:08, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not particularly good, but I'll try my hand at one of em. Hopefully I won't make it look any worse. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I did [[Metrotank]], but ugh, I'm not very good at this. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== source for Japanese G2 instruction manga images ==

Where did you get the images of the manga printed on the G2 instructions? If you still have the unedited ones as well as the actual instructions I'd like to host them on my site.

Also, do you know how to get in contact with Rik Ruff? he's the only one I know who ever had Car Robots instruction scans. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

== Foreign titles ==

Per your post on my talk page, I have ceased my deletions. I thought I was following the example set on the Revenge of the Fallen talk page. There Walky, had stated that foreign titles shouldn't be listed if they were simply a direct translation. I thought that was the consensus and was simply trying to catch examples that had fallen through the cracks. Apparently I was wrong, and I apologize for acting prematurely. Perhaps it is time to examine this policy. I will, of course, follow any decision made. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:30, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That's fine. We've been discussing it in a thread over at the Allspark forums and a few good points have been brought up. For instance, if we remove all the Japanese titles that translate to being the same as the English one, but leave the Japanese titles for episodes where they translate differently, we'll end up looking like we have an incomplete record of foreign episode titles, rather than just omitting ones that aren't different enough. We could try and adjust things, like moving foreign titles down from the top of each article and into their own section, or perhaps something else. It's a decision that's not quite so cut and dry, certainly. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::If I may be pardoned for butting in, I'd say a good rule of thumb for this English-centric wiki would be that foreign-language titles should always included for completeness when the original title isn't in English, as this technically makes the English translation the foreign title. When the original language for the title is English, foreign titles can be omitted if they are essentially straight translations.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:19, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::But what Speng was saying-- that means you don't know if the title was omitted because it's never been translated, or simply because it's the same. Simple absence makes it impossible to know if this represents "work to be done" or "work already done." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::What about adding a list of languages that the episode has appeared in with the different titles noted there? For example if an episode had appeared in French, Russian, and Japanese the sentence might read "Translated into French, Russian (Title Unknown), and Japanese (Different Title). A footnote would indicate that the French title was a direct, literal translation. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Personally, I just think it's "neat" info to have on the wiki. Even if "Krieg der Dinobots" directly translates into "War of the Dinobots", I like the idea of having the foreign spelling available for reference just for the sake of having such information. It's even nicer in Japanese, since we get to have the Japanese characters present for reference. I wouldn't mind compromising with an "International titles/names" section down with the notes, if having the redundant titles up at the top of the page bugs people. I just don't like the idea of losing information, even if its trivial. I don't want to lose "Krieg der Dinobots" even if it means "War of the Dinobots". So far as Germany is concerned, the title is "Krieg der Dinobots", not "War of the Dinobots". I can't think of any other place that would keep such a comprehensive list of foreign spellings of names and titles, and it gives us one more thing to flaunt. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:37, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I don't see how it even IS information. If the title in a foreign language is simply a direct translation, then effectively it is the SAME title. The spelling in that other language is irrelevant, and (to me) uninteresting. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:30, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It would BE info for those that are interested in the linguistics of things. I'm with Spengs on keeping the info, not just for posterity's sake, but for completion of the Wiki. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:57, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Thank you==
You, sir, are a [[Primus|God]] among men for translating the [[Binaltech Asterisk (online comic)|Binaltech Asterisk]] stuff for [[Blaster (G1)|Broadblast]] and updating his article. I've been trying to get that stuff translated for two years. I'd like to award you 5 [[Robot Point]]s in recognition of your achievements.
[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 14:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:Just figured I oughta get that info documented before it disappears from the internet and we lose it forever ala Rise of the Chevy Autobots text stories. But glad you enjoyed em! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

==Beast Wars II and Neo logos==
Think either you or the others could dig up clean logos of both series so we can put them into their navigation templates? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 02:44, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

:Depends on how big you want em, I suppose. There's a BWII one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_2.gif Here] and a BWNeo one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_neo.gif Here] (and a BWReturns one [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/info/profiles_beast_wars_returns.gif Here]), but they're only 120x65, which is kinda small. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:33, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

::Ay... Any scans of magazine articles or books with their logos? Heck, even the VHS covers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:12, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, I suppose you could always use the intro screencaps from Bigbot, but you'd have to chop the watermark off the bottom ([http://bigbot.com/beast_wars_2/pictures/cartoon_tv_show/Transformers_BeastWars_2.jpg BWII], [http://www.bigbot.com/beast_wars_neo/bwneo.jpg BWNeo]). Given their quality, you might be better off just making your own screencap from a You Tube video, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:34, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

==Kanji?==
Hey, Speng. Do you have the original Japanese name for [[Energy Planet X]]? Just for completeness. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:29, 9 November 2009 (EST)
:Here ya go: エネルギー惑星X (enerugii wakusei X). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:31, 9 November 2009 (EST)
::Thanks. I wasn't sure if they were using English words or Kanji. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:37, 9 November 2009 (EST)

==BWR dates==
Have we got a broadcast schedule for the Beast Wars Returns episodes? Any of them? The DVD release? If you don't feel like dealing with the calendar, I'll do it, just throw me the info. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:31, 18 December 2009 (EST)
:Jim just hit me up with the same question a few minutes ago. I checked Japanese Wikipedia and another Japanese Beast Wars info site, [http://www.ne.jp/asahi/transformer/dinobase/e_index.htm DinoBASE], and they both only gave me the month and year the series began airing on TAKARAND and Cartoon Network Japan, but no proper airdate listings. It's possible that the Japanese DVDs may include the information in liner notes or what have you, but you'll have to hook up with someone who owns them (Buster Darkwings at the Allspark does, I believe). But I dunno if those DVDs actually ''have'' that info. Sorry. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:37, 18 December 2009 (EST)
::If you sift through the lists there are some dates given for each episode [http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html here] (just progress the month/year to get to the rest), but I'm not sure how accurate they are. --[[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 08:38, 19 December 2009 (EST)
:::Many thanks. I went through each month, matched the titles with the ones here to make sure the Japanese episode order was the same as the Western one and posted all the airdates on Sipher's talk page. The month listings matched up with when I know the show premiered in Japan and the airdates were consistent with each other, so the site's listings look legit to me. Thanks again! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:20, 19 December 2009 (EST)

== Zone catalogues ==

A question for you, my good man. [http://tfarchive.com/comics/gallery.php?g2_itemId=14997 This page here] has something about Deathsaurus on it. I wonder, could you give it a bit of an ol' translate to confirm a suspicion I have - that ''this'' might have been the source of the comment in the [[Generation_1_cartoon_timeline_(Japan)|Kiss Players timeline]] that Deathy came back to life after ''Victory''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:27, 1 February 2010 (EST)

:Sure thing. It might have to wait until I get home from work so I can use a program to zoom in on the itty bitty text, though. I vaguely recall that it was just a recap of Victory, leading into Zone, but now I'm not entirely certain. I'll let you know tonight. '''--Spengs (at work, can't log in)'''

Alright. Holy crap. This is it, McFeely! I totally glossed over the page as nothing but a recap of Victory when it was a completely original story AND the one mentioned in the Kiss Player timeline (how freakin obscure can you get?). While the word "resurrected" isn't used, Deathsaurus is indeed referred to as the "Dark Emperor" ("Ankokutaitei"). And while Energon Z is not mentioned specifically, Deathsaurus DOES lead an attack on the Micro Zone which, presumably, contained Energon Z as it did in the Zone OVA.

Here are my complete translations of the page:

1. "Darkness Emperor Deathsaurus lead his underlings in an offensive against the Micro Zone." 

2. "Terrible! Emergency dispatch! Go, Micro Transformer Team!" 

3. "At this rate, the Micro Zone will be destroyed!" 

4. "Micro Transformers and Destrons have an incredible battle. But the Micro Transformers put forth a tremendous effort and the Destrons are driven away." 

5. "The Micro Transformer Team earns a tremendous victory. After this, the combined power of everyone in the Micro Zone continue to defend! You can do it!" 

:Oh-ho yes! The team of McFeely and Spengler is unstoppable! *dramatic pose* - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:36, 2 February 2010 (EST)

== Fast Action Beast Wars! ==

Time for another McFeely-Spengler double-headed crazy Japanese mystery solver! [http://snakas.web.infoseek.co.jp/07movie/fab_optimus.html Here's an article about Fast Action Battlers Prime] at Autobase Aichi, which includes information about what the heck ''Beast Wars'' has to do with all of this. The section of text which follows the large collection of images of Prime seems to explain what the deal was (something to do with the BW Telemocha series, I think), and then there's a section further down about the back of the package that seems to say a little more about it. We can crack this! And by "we", I do mean "you". :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:54, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:Well, it's the next best thing to having the action Japanese packaging to investigate. But to be fair, who the Hell would want to import some FABs from Japan just to get the box? There's a lotta text there, so this may take me a bit, but I'll endeavor to see if there's anything good in there. The section "日本での展開" (Development in Japan) seems to have all the Beast Wars info in it. Let's see if there's anything good...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:22, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::Didn't take me as long as I thought, though you might be disappointed in hearing that there isn't really any "fiction" to go with this, at least not of any real substance.
Apparently, beginning with the Telemocha release of TM-11 Tigatron, they decided to cross-promote the Beast Wars Telemocha series with the FAB series, in print ads and on toy packaging. It sounds like this was done to give the toys some additional play value and to encourage kids, hungry for the Movie toys, to pick up those weird animal Transformers from ten years ago that they'd never heard of. The "fiction" was just a single packaging blurb, reproduced (or perhaps summarized) in the last sentence of that paragraph. It reads: "The story is that on the stage of the Beast Wars (Planet Energoa), a mysterious army of vehicles (Movie characters) have crossed from beyond space-time and attacked, beginning a battle between animals and vehicles."
So yeah, no "text stories" or anything like that. Just a packaging blurb to get kids who were crazy for the Movie to look into some repaints of ten year-old toys. We can probably take that bit off the front page's "wishlist", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:42, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::Curious. So do you render 競演 as "cross-promotion", then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:48, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::Wha? "Kyouen"? The part about the contest? No...that's not the part I was talking about, so much. The article says that the two series shared various advertising in catalogs and such, and a magazine contest, but I didn't see anything describing lengthy text stories which is what we're looking for. The storyline as the article describes it is the same as it was described in the KP Timeline and nothing new. "Cross promotion" was my word for it, not a translation, but isn't that what this is? Telemocha and the FAB lines promoting one another by crossing over? If there's anything about deeper fiction in there that I missed, by all means, let me know since you're more fluent than I am. But I don't think I misinterpreted it that badly...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:59, 25 February 2010 (EST)

It might be lame, but it's another win for the Spengler-McFeely team. :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:07, 25 February 2010 (EST)

:::::I wasn't asking if there was any lengthy text; I visited the page myself and figured out much the same thing you did. The only term used that puzzled me was 競演, which my dictionary sources render as "recital contest". This doesn't make any sense to me, and I couldn't find any alternate interpretations right off before you posted your response. Your use of "cross-promote" seemed to match the same point in context where the original uses 競演, though it seems I misinterpreted you on that point. (If anyone here has the DVD that came with TM-11 Tigatron, maybe they can describe the segment with the BW and FAB characters interacting (or post it to YouTube or something), since that's also supposed to be 競演, and we can get a better idea of what the term means in this context.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:09, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::''Ohhhhhh.'' I wasn't sure what you were getting at for some reason so I kinda got all worried that I might have catastrophically misinterpreted something. ''Phew''. I got that as "recital contest", too, but interpretted it as just being a part of a contest in a print magazine. The bit about the TM-11 Tigatron DVD seemed to just point toward the toys cohabiting a diorama in an advertisement, though if there's anything cool in there aside from toys standing around together, I would also like to see it. Storywise, though, I don't think there was anything more to the crossover aside from some pakaging and catalog background, though. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:13, 25 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Sorry, guess I picked my words poorly.
:::::::''just being a part of a contest in a print magazine''
:::::::I considered that, but I couldn't resolve that interpretation with the fact that there's a diorama story of a recital contest (or whatever it is) included on that DVD.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:06, 25 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLIYvk76sNc This] is all I could find on YouTube. I'd check my TM-12 or TM-13 DVDs for anything more but they're in another town. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:55, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::As for "recital contest", [[Wikipedia:Discography_of_the_Devil_May_Cry_series#Devil May Cry 4 Original Soundtrack|Wikipedia]] translates it as "play opposite". Take that as you will. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:00, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::I have every TM release except the Ultra 2-pack and TM-13 Motorarm, and am more than willing to post any recordings from them that you might need. Since it looks like you need TM-11 and 12, I'll go ahead and do those for now.--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:21, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hey, that'd be great. I'm hoping that there's more to it than the video Interro posted, which was just two separate commercials for FABs and the Telemocha toys. I didn't notice any "diorama" to speak of, so I'm hoping there's more. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:25, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::There is indeed more to it. There is a diorama, though I'm not sure I would describe it as a recital. Anyway here are the two videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiWA291oYn0 TM11] [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzBCVv-bXIE TM12]
:::They're currently set to private non-YouTube user so you should be able to see it as long as you're one of the first 25 to click the link. Which there's no reason you shouldn't be. But if there is an issue with seeing the video, let me know. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Hmmm, I must not have been one of the first 25. I tried viewing it while logged in and logged out of my You Tube account, and both times it wouldn't let me see it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:18, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Whoops. My fault, I didn't have it set-up right. Needed to check the "Limited URL" check box and get the special link. Try [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=PiWA291oYn0&sharing_token=E-xWvrcpHagjzkYLdkqp5w] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=TzBCVv-bXIE&sharing_token=efwutVSJFsou9kOQSrDNMA] --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:43, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Hmmm. I'm getting "invalid secret token", now. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 19:30, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::Ok, neglected to save the changes to the videos. I updated the links in my last edit and confirmed that they work. Sorry for the inconvience. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 19:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::And this is why the wiki community is awesome. It's all a learning experience! Seems like Motorarm's DVD would have covered the final FABs (Megatron and Brawl)... Hmm, I would say there's merit enough here to describe some of the content of these little staged fights in the respective characters' sections. "Tigatron once totally shot Starscream in the face, because God told him to." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 26 February 2010 (EST)
Okay, that's cooler than the other side of the pillow. Nice to see that there actually IS some meat to this crossover. Not much, more like a single slice of bologna, but the fact that its more than a sentence is comforting. I'll add some of the specifics to the individual characters' fiction sections, even if it just boils down to "Tigatron shot Starscream in the face before Optimus Primal and Optimus Prime double-teamed him". Thank you, Tigerpaw! This is the sort of obscure holy grail stuff the Wiki thrives on! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:12, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:Almost seems to me like they could be under a header of their own on the Movie character pages. "Toy bios" seems wrong, since it's... not in the bios. "Beast Wars Telemocha Series storyline" or "shorts" or something (and use that title for the BW character pages too). Because very little of this actually seems to ''involve'' the FAB toyline... it's just a blurb there, but there's actual shorts over in Telemocha... "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers crossover"...? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:24, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::Hmmm, point taken. What should the storylink go to? The Japanese timeline as we have it now? The FAB article? The Telemocha article? Storylinks to BOTH the FAB and the Telemocha article? I am vexed. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:28, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::As for section titles, each of these videos begins with the title "Diorama Story", so maybe we should go with "Beast Wars Telemocha/Fast Action Battlers Diorama Story"...? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:29, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::Maybe we ought to just make an article about that and use that as the story link! That would probably merit investigating the precise content of the other DVDs to see if they have "Diorama Stories" on them, even if they don't have the movie characters in them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:31, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::If nobody else does: I've got all of the DVDs (except for Tigatron and the Ultras). I just don't have access to them till next weekend. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:36, 26 February 2010 (EST)
::::::That's fine, I think I can contain myself until then. I don't own any of the DVDs, myself, so if someone who does could make a "skeleton article" for them, I can flesh them out with the diorama story portions (as they're made available to me). Not much meat to these things, so one article with fiction segments detailing each diorama battle should be appropriate. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:39, 26 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::I can look into this tomorrow/later today. I can also get more of the videos uploaded, if there are more. Since Interrobang has all but Tigatron and I have all but Motorarm, we just need to find a source for the two pack. If all else fails, I do plan to pick it up eventually. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:58, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::Ditto. I can get the two now if anybody can point me in the direction of a store that sells both. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:19, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::By the way, Tigerpaw, it's not a two-pack. That's the ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' one. That one has the remolded heads and their own CD. The ''Telemocha'' Ultras are sold separately, having more show-accurate colors but the molds' original heads. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:21, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Ah, thanks for correction Interrobang. I forgot those were separate. I've put up a rough skeleton which Mr. McFeely speedy deliveried to [[Beast Wars Telemocha Diorama Story]]. I based the episode order on the disc/case numbers but I don't know if that's the correct way to do it. The numbering of the discs/cases doesn't follow that of the figures, the discs that come with the Ultras have two numbers on them, and numbers 16-19 are skipped entirely. I've put both the disc number and figure ID number in the titles for the YouTube videos: [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YHZsjq-ulZk&sharing_token=b2YUF4Rj91ZFCGnfFrJ82g TM1], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=RM8M2PsqggI&sharing_token=cEdj4-2J1XKqrpEDDqFM2A TM2], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=IGxfvP-I6p0&sharing_token=_WOV62896tW0dpFFX898pg TM3], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=4aab9RqCHjU&sharing_token=VoZRUWo71wezjlgdNxPx8A TM4], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=sI0kBYAierw&sharing_token=FbPzwWEBbhEmrHDXcuuvYA TM5], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=CLekVHeuavo&sharing_token=9BW7U3JH1nXNXAjQV0EAMA TM6], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=Ge82snpIbLU&sharing_token=p_xvr-WxyyRy7B94kSBZIQ TM7], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=LDqrdggv7mQ&sharing_token=5O7dFKYo_lu09peLv7-3-g TM8], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=gPHuJW5BuAg&sharing_token=5_8JEkBYhmQNusJjfAwimA TM9], [http://www.youtube.com/watch_private?v=YMCIk-vYfaA&sharing_token=9Wsi6FzbF6FpGsHr2eZzlQ TM10]. The previous two have had their titles updated. The disc numbers for Ultra Convoy are 1 and 15, Ultra Megatron are 13 and 14 and Motorarm is 21. I've upped the video compression this go-round so I could upload the videos faster. If it's too much, I can upload better versions. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:27, 27 February 2010 (EST)
Come to think of it, I think figure ID might be the right way to do it, because you end up with 5 episodes in between the ones involving the FABs the other way. Going to go change that. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Yeah, I was just casting my eye over it and was going to say the same thing. The little two-man fights showcased in each of these come in pairs reflected by the order of release as well. The numbers on the disc seem very random! Probably worth mentioning in a note.
:(this is awesome)
: - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:40, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::Alright, you guys rock! I'll get to work on gleaming the "story" from these things, though I fear it won't be more than "one time Gimlet joined the Predacons and became Tigatron's rival for five minutes and then everything went back to normal". But we love this shit, anyway. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:42, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Oh, hey, I just got it - the numbers on the discs are the numbers of the actual BW cartoon episodes that are on them (per the Japanese broadcast order, rather than the American one). That's why there are two numbers on the discs with the Ultra figures. Probably means there aren't two Diorama Stories on those ones. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:32, 28 February 2010 (EST)

Okay, I've filled out the [[Beast Wars Diorama Story]] article up through Gimlet's chapter. If you guys ever get the last three chapters, just post the video links here and I'll write them up. Thanks! --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 14:18, 4 March 2010 (EST)
:Up high, my man. - [[Special:Contributions/217.43.232.221|217.43.232.221]] 14:56, 4 March 2010 (EST)

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