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2007-05-25T06:31:27Z

220.239.53.31: /* Help please! */

OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== CSS change 2 ===
Adding the the requested [[Template:Merge]], the actual ''text'' of the template is subject tt change, but the CSS is finalized for the requested image.

Can you please replace everything in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */''' with the contents of the discussion page: [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]? (For the future, is it easier to do this in parts like this, or should I put the entire modified monobook css in the discussion page for a simple cut-and-paste?)

This also includes a general-purpose 'tt1_nowrap' class, since Steve-o was looking for a way to do that a month or so back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 3===
NN. Think this is the ''last'' of the requested templates. Could you please replace the parts between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

I'd put in links but- seriously, look up one paragraph. ;-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 4===
Replace between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

Spoiler template ''someone'' suggested aeons ago, tough less obtrusive than the others. (I really hope this is the last one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.

:''Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked?'' You were blocked for intentionally, blatantly defying the consensus of a protracted discussion which you instigated and in which you were the only person advocating your position. It was extremely un-gentlemanly, and moderately pissy. Based on what you've written in the last couple days, I can accept that you were just "lashing out" and didn't really expect your comments to stay in the articles, but personally I still consider that to be disrespectful. You shouldn't make an edit which you know/expect will be reverted. I thought the 3-month duration on your block was excessive (and it's now been reduced), but I don't think being blocked in the first place, temporarily, is beyond reason for something like that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other users, including the admin who banned you in the first place, have already weighed in on ''why'' you were banned. I was not responsible for doing it, so frankly, anything further I have to say on the subject would just be repeating the same. I think it's perfectly clear as it is.

I was going to post something about how I'd stick up for you if you actually gave me good reason to, but as it is, the terms of your ban have been changed to something shorter. As it is, you're back in a week. If I were you, I'd sit back and ask myself if it's ''really'' worth fighting over that.

So there's your second chance. If you come back in a week and respect what your fellow editors have told you not to do, you'll be fine. And if there really ''is'' something unfair, I'll listen and advocate for you. But I would keep in mind that you're on thin ice as it is, and playing this victim crap isn't going to help you out much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:He was whiny about it too. It's not like his approach was "seriously guys, this seems excessive and can I talk about it and demonstrate that your impression of my maturity was incorrect," it was really more "Noo! this is so ''unfair''! Why me? You all suck and I shouldn't be held accountable for my actions b'cause I knew someone else was going to clean up my slop!"
:It's probably ''fortunate'' that the original penalty was (accidentally?) excessive-- because opening the floor for a reassessment of penalties based on conduct you do not dispute and then acting like a ''whiny bitch'' practically '''begs''' for an admin to make it ''longer.''
:<small>(Why yes, i was arguing in his favor earlier! I like to cause trouble like that.)</small> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, great: so now I'm a "''whiny bitch''" who's playing "''victim crap''", apparently.

::Charming! My goodness me, you people really are a hostile bunch aren't you?

::So, let me get this straight; [[User:FFN|FFN]] can rag on my ass every other week simply because he disagrees with me, but If I DARE to protest that I have been unreasonably treated over a sarcastic misdemeanor, then I'm a goddamn deviant leper, right? Unbelieveable...

::Okay, YES, I did a bad thing. I admit it was uncalled for, defying the consensus of, oh, about five people? Given the wide, nay EXTENSIVE use of sarcasm and fecetious comments all over this wiki I honestly didn't think it would be such a damn big deal. But okay, whatever. It was wrong, fair enough. MY BAD. All I have done since is POLITELY protest my treatment over this matter and all I've got in return is mockery, name-calling and outright hostility. I mean, seriously...! Talk about disproportionate reactions at every turn.

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::Sir, I would hardly call your behavior at this point "polite". I thought Suki's comment was a little much at this point because the matter had been resolved. I asked her to say something because you'd asked, but I didn't know what all she had to say.

:::Regardless, though, please cease the hostilities? Play the better man and ignore what may be said to you at this point. In only a week you'll be able to edit and work again, and then you can prove your worth that way. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, so now I'M the one being hostile? How do you figure? Have I called anyone names like "whiny bitch"? No, that would be YOU guys. Have I accused other people of being "pissy" and "throwing feces"? Nup, that'd be you lot too.

::::But of course, if I have the sheer audacity to stand up for myself, well that just can't possibly be polite, I take it...

::::What a terrible, terrible person I must be. Next time I'll know to just shut up and take the abuse gratefully, since that's obviously all you folks will tolerate. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::"[[Wikipedia:Martyr complex|Mew mew mew mew mew mew mew!]]"
::::: '''Not once''' have you apologized for or even acknowledged that you should be held culpable for defacing an article. You remand restitution while sneering that you should not have been punished in the first place. You throw a '''tantrum''' when someone, such as myself, tells you "Gee, while it may be true your punishment was excessive, you're acting like a whiny brat which makes me have no sympathy for you." I'm not calling for you to be re-banned- I'm pointing out a defect in your behavior I '''really''' wish you would fix in the future.
::::: Are you sure you don't want to change your user name to PassiveAgressivePrime?
::::: I don't really care what your original offense was, because you're being a colossal asshole right here, right now. ''It's a bad idea to go around pissing people off while appealing a punishment''. Just- in general. I started out basically on your side and you have none-too-gradually dis-endeared yourself of me.
::::: Please amend your stricken holier-than-thou attitude in the future. It's '''really''' annoying, and it's not at all conducive to an actual discussion of what you did or didn't do and what punishment is appropriate. It makes me want to shut you up by squashing you.
::::: And '''I'm''' the unhealthily detached one. I can't ''imagine'' what it makes someone who thinks with his woman-parts like Walky want to do. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how I'm apparently the "colossal asshole" when it's you guys who are actually doing all the insult-hurling and name-calling. I haven't made one personal comment in this whole affair. Funny, that...

Oh, and for ther record, I HAVE apologised. More than once, actually. Get your facts straight, please.

But "PassiveAgressivePrime" is GOLD, by the way. I'd definitely declare that a genius call if it weren't such a laughable assertion.

Anyway, I've got much better things to do that take this abuse any longer. Think what you will.

Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2007-05-21T03:49:50Z

220.239.53.31: typo

OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:ItsWalky

2007-05-21T03:46:52Z

220.239.53.31: /* Please remove (or at least justify) block */

--I'm deeply sorry

==Something I Noticed==

I see that when new users come in - I did this too - one of the first things they start to do is edit out the silly captions and some of the humor from the Wiki. This is mostly stemming from the transition from Wikipedia and other Wikis to Teletraan-1, since most others have strict no-humor. Is there a way to put up some sort of banner in the "Help Contents" guide, that explains, look, we're silly here sometimes?

And, um, that guy below is just funny as hell. [[User:Mirai Gen|Mirai Gen]] 19:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== I thought it was vandalism ==

Just that I read the article and thought it was vandalism from the way it was written. So I accidently reverted it to the old one, which had more of something that seemed like vanderism. Then I realize I am not in wikipeida, but in Transformers wiki. I clicked on a link from Tformers.com and since the two sites look so damn similar, yeah......That explains the humor and why I had to make an account here. Sorry, but I am wishy washy at the moment since I have a term paper due soon and haven't gotten any sleep. Sorry. LOL--[[User:Doomzaber|Doomzaber]] 03:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Just kind of curious ==

Is there a limit to your knowledge of Transformers lore, or is it as infinite as the cosmos?

Because damn, do you know a lot.

==You are now an Admin==

Hello ItsWalky, I've made you and Suki Brits admins for this wiki. Thanks for offering to help out! Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please see [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - you two will be fine for now, but more may be needed in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

My liege *kneels*--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 13:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Nice April Fools lol [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 14:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

...RUN, HE'S GONE MAD WITH POWER!

I know Bodycount was being antagonistic about his changes (not just on the Nemesis Prime entry), but I think blocking him for 2 weeks may have been excessive. We should try to settle editorial conflicts through compromise, like they do at Wikipedia, by rewriting the article to express both points of view and the reasoning behind those views. On the other hand, I
have no idea who he is, aside from a vague feeling that he's an Allsparker. You may be more familiar with his habits than I. Maybe he's likely to just be disruptive. But from what I have seen just here at this site, I think the block was premature. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

MAD WITH POWER!

I Knew BC at Tfans, he was a bit antaganistic to the rabid GeeWuners, but he's a great kitbasher. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 05:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Bodycount's been banned repeatedly from the Allspark, and from several other boards, as well. He's a textbook troll, and we're better off without him. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 05:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== There's an issue with the "Recent Changes" page ==

Up at the top of the "recent changes" page where it says "below are the last X chaned in the last Y days as of DATE", for some reason the "DATE" says "$3". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pssy, Walky! You need a http:// on the botcon link on your blog. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== The Agenda: Part 1 ==

:Hahaha, the guy whose fault it is I'm here was right behind me, messing with my first edits. How's that for irony? :)
:(I love Shortpacked.) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== Episode Template Comments ==

Hi ItsWalky. Thanks loads for your feedback. Sorry about the date thing. As for the loss of data between the two templates, reordering each of the groups for order of appearance shouldn't be too difficult, just means watching the episode carefully again (unfortunately, when I did the lists of characters for my own TF site, I didn't consider having them in order of appearance and thus alphabetized them right away). With regards to the difference between major and minor characters, I'm not sure I would quite know where to draw the line on who's what in every TF episode. To me, it would seem to depend if the character was regular, is he major or minor for the whole series, season, or just the episode, or if the character was a guest, I could see it likely being just the episode. Perhaps if I knew what guidline Teletraan-1 was using to determine Major/Minor status, I could think of a way to incorporate it into my template. Thanks again for your feedback. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 00:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. Just to let you know I've incorporated order of appearance into my test template if you wanted to check it out: [[User:Telet093/The Master Builder]]. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 23:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
==Cartoon==
Hi - sorry for the home page edit, I was trying to figure out if I added the word "cartoon" at the top of the page, would google figure out that your site is not about power control and liquid transformers :-) [http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]
:Google's not gonna figger it out, no, not until they distinguish between the two in their databases. Believe me, every TF site with google ads has the same problem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== A Question on Mini-Con Entries ==
As I'm hitting the "random page" button, I seem to come up with a Mini-Con page for this or that Mini-Con most of the time. Is there any reason every Mini-Con has its own page? Could they be consolidated on to their respective team pages? This may be a community issue, but I figured an editor the best place to start.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: All the ones in Armada and Cybertron, at least, have their own bios and personalities, so that should be enough for a page. I think, in principle, every toyed character should have its own page, whether it be a Nebulan, Mini-Con, Deployer, or what have you. I tend to only use the "Related characters" subsection for fiction-only humans and the like. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

==Question Time Again==
Would it be possible to consolidate the pages such as [[quartex]] and [[cycle]] and whatever else is floating about into just a single "Cybertronian Units of Time" page of some sort? I had no idea a "quartex" existed until I randomly hit the [[Conductors]] page, for instance, but having them all in one place might be helpful, or possibly to rename the page into "Measurements of time" and split off [[Megamile]]?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
: I don't see why we can't have both. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alot of images seem to be missing ==

many of the images have dissipered, such as the ones on [[neon]]. the image files themselves cive a "can't find on server" error. any idea WTF is up? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Probably just a temporary glitch. Wikia has a lot of them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sources==
How does one go about making reference to a patent and a catalog in a footnote on here?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
: Replacing -s with HTML arrow-thingies:
::-ref-[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]-/ref-
::And then create a "Footnotes" subheading at the bottom of the page, under which you type:
::-references/-
::That will automatically create a footnote there.
:See [[Ratchet (G1)]] for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
==Lyrian==
Are you seeing the Lyrian.jpg image on her entry? Because I still am not. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, correction: I ''am'' seeing it when I use Internet Explorer, but not when I use Mozilla Firefox. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think you need to refresh the page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sorry?==
Dude, the Seeker cateogry expressely said it was for G1 characters, and it wasn't until now that you decided that the Armada guys counted. Maximals was in Beast Era category, so I just made it more specific. Same for Vehicons. I'm sorry for pissing you off, but you're effectively blaming me for not being psychic. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== Images fitting ==

I have a wide screen resolution (1280x800), and often times images that are on the same side will start to stack up if there aren't enough lines of text between them, kind of like this:

:img | _______
_______| | img

That's what was happening with the Airazor pics. Would it be better to add in come blank lines? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
: Well, in Airazor's case, we just had to fill in more summary. She was missing some key episodes, which filled in more text between the two images. On other pages, I dunno, it's a problem with the system, which we'll have to work out, 'cuz I think all images are gonna hafta be lefted if there's storylinks over there. Otherwise it's a mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== COMPLETE GO-BOTS POWER?!!! ==

Walky, I '''''must''''' have this thing! For [http://chawks.brinkster.net/gb my Go-Bots site]!

PLEEEASE?

{wipes up drool}
: Steve-o's got first dibs, and he'll have it up on his TF coloring book archive whenever he gets the time. I've just now shared the harddrive folder with all the stuff in it so he has access to it, after all these years. I'm slow. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

::Saw the scans. That's awesome! It's really too bad it never got made. And y'know, I think a Go-Bots cover done in the "DW house style" could actually look super-cools. May I have permission to upload the scans to my site? (I always like to ask.) --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 20:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

==Bureaucrat==
Hi David. Since the original founder of this wiki has been inactive since June 2005, I've made you a bureaucrat here in case there are any trusted community members who need to be made into admins. See [[Wikia:Help:User access levels]] for help with this. I liked your recent [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20070101.html comic] mentioning the wiki. Perhaps you should link to the wiki as well to encourage more transformers fans to join in. [[w:User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pretender Grimlock ==

In case you didn't know, Reprolabels makes Pretender Grimlock stickers. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
: Oooh. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== About the delete of the IDW megatron Pic ==

The image illustrate megatron in his IDW form (as well as his alt mode), and it as been (at least) released on the official site. Isn't it all an image need to be. The text here, isn't the important part and is still readable anyway. Here just to prove it's not "stolen" or anything: http://www.idwpublishing.com/newreleases.shtml --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 14:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
: I know it's not stolen. We can probably manage to wait one more day until the actual issue comes out and we can have something of useable size to scan. The image, at the size it was, was useless. (Also, we should avoid having full pages up, unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise it's not exactly fair use.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== And the Lord said "DUDE". And it was groovy. ==

For the record, and I know this counts for almost nothing, Willis is the reason I'm here. Yeah, I love wikis, I love Transformers, and I (rather inexplicably) adore the Jumpstarters, but I wouldn't know about Teletraan 1 if not for the blog on Shortpacked!.

So, yeah. That's all I gotta say for now... rawkon, Walkyboy. \m/

:I hate you. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

::What the slag is Shortpacked, and who in the Pit is this Willis? --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:::You aren't serious, are you? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pie ==
What exactly is the great importance of Pie? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:As the ratio of the circumfrence to the radius of a sphere, it underpins the structure of our universe.
:Of course, some people argue that because no perfect circle exists in out quasi-raster universe, pi is actually nothing that a unique mathematical phenomena, of no consequence ot the real world.
:(These people are communists.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== disambuig question ==

When a character shares a name with an episode, do both pages get a series tag, or just the episode? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Are we talking about Chase? He's the only one that wouldn't get a (G1) otherwise, that I can think of... I would tentatively say that having the TF be [[Chase]] and the episode be [[Chase (Armada episode)]] would be fine. Of course, we might need a disambig page to encompass [[Chip Chase]], I dunno. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hey Walky, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS that you can see at [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]

It's Wikipedia's pretty able classes. Wikia (buizarely) comes with ''no'' table classes. We dont' use tables much here, but should we want to, we'd want them to look like this. (And this is the class all the wikipedia-how-to-create-a-table tutorials tell you to use.) The code is unaltered from Wikipedia, so it won't conflict with anything.

Appreciate it if you could port it over for me.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
: Where do I put it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry, I forgot you hadn't done this before.
::Please append the requested change from the CSS discussion area [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]] to the end of the actual CSS file [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], which you can edit but I cannot.
::The lack of these table styles is moderately more pressing than it was when I originally requested them, since we now have an article that actually uses tables -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== online update ==

When you talk about online updates, maybe a direct link should be required (if it's official and everyhing and stuf...).

:... for what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe I have I have missunderstood, but when he talk about "online update", he talk about material that have been put on official sites or something, and therefore, for completition sake, a link to it would be appropriate. If I have get it wrong, or if those sites require payment to be accessible, then forget what I say...
:::It is indeed pay content for the Fan Club. A direct link would not work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Alright.

== Scale question ==
Hi there, this is PacifistPrime, the originator of the new [[Scale]] article. Thanks very much for your contributions. Just one question though; you've changed some of the estimated "real world" heights for characters like Prime and Bumblebee, stating that they "have been calculated". I don't mean to disagree with you ''per se'' (although I must admit your figures do instinctively strike me as unlikely, but that's just my guestimate), but I was wondering if you could please source those figures. Not so much in the article itself (believe me, I'm very sick of the bluenoses over at Wikipedia always being on peoples' case about that), but rather just for my own personal interest. I've actually wanted for some time now to set up a project that would use the toys and specs for the real vehicles to calculate how big most of the pre-Movie G1s would be. But if someone has already done this, I'd love to know their results, and I'd be particularly interested in their method. Can you give me some directions? Please respond in my own talk page, if you don't mind. Hope to hear from you, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source LV once figured it out using real vehicle lengths and stuff.]
:Also, a trend in the article seems to be overunderestimating the size of the Transformers in the cartoon, for example, saying that Optimus Prime would "only" be 20 feet tall, versus the giant size you believe he is. We've got lots of model sheets available to us that show that Optimus Prime was drawn to be 15-ish feet, or 3 Spikes tall. Now, the comic tended to draw the Transformers much, much larger than that, but in the cartoon, they were kinda dinky, though that's of course not incredibly consistent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== ''The Enemy Within Part 2'' ==

I'm wanting to start writing an article for ''The Enemy Within'', but there is one slight problem. My scans of the issue (saved from Seibertron and TCA before the comic scans were taken down) are missing pages 9 and 10 (the last two color pages) from part 2, and from what I've been able to dig up from the Wayback Machine, the scans used on the various sites never had those two pages (or a few from ''The Man Of Iron'' UK printing, and page 8 from UK #6). I'm not sure if this is kosher, but any idea where I might be able to "acquire" those two pages? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
: Gimme an email address. I may have them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::fortressmaximus05 (at) verizon.net --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Blog not wiki ==
Hey man, that's totally fair enough; realise I was on a bit of a rave there about Masterpiece Megs. Still, you didn't have to be impolite about it. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]. P.S. I wouldn't be caught dead writing a blog. Got much better things to do with my time. Like edit this wiki. ;-)
:Me again. I seem to stuff up on your watch pretty regularly, huh? Sorry about the E.J.Su cover thing; I honestly thought that WAS him for some reason. So much so, in fact, that I was wondering myself why the style seemed a little inconsistent with his other work...! Do you know who ''did'' do it? I expect was it the same dude who did the "Uncle Prime" recruitment poster. Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:: I had already immediately edited the file to note the name of the artist. It's right there, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== one more Dinobot question ==

I'm wanting to try the part swap you did with your BWX Dinobots, but have one problem. Is there a way to remove the upper half of the molds upper arms without messing up the pegs and holes? Years ago, I removed those parts from my FoxKids Dinobot, but after re-assembling him, the arms would often pop off while rotating the shoulder swivel. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The bicep piece, you mean? I haven't had any trouble with it. I just yanked it out of its socket, unscrewed it from the elbow, swapped, and voila. Worked same as before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Just Sayin' Hi ==

Ok, this is embarassing.

I've been on the TFWiki a while now, and on a lot of discussion pages I've posted on, you're the first or second person to answer a question or comment on my post.

I also read Shortpacked and didn't know you were... well, you.

It was seemingly at random I clicked on your link to see your page and, lo and behold, you're the reason for so much joy and pain, the grand well of Transformers knowledge, the de facto LEGENDARY user who knows how many punctuation marks are in the title of seemingly random comics... from EUROPE.

I simply want to say that it's an honor for me to be able to collaborate with you on this project. Transformers has always been a big part of my childhood, and now my adulthood. I'm starting up the UniCronicles (see my page for more details) and yours, along with several other webcomics I read, have inspired me. I thank you for Shortpacked, your contribution to Teletraan I, and, of course, for making fun of that ditzy purple skank. I mean, am I the only one who noticed she was like 3 million years the senior of most of the ''Cybertron'' cast? Granny's got her freak on.

Anyway, keep making teh funniez. I'll keep reading them. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

: Allow me to translate - SLURRRRRRP SLURP SLURP SLURP SLURRRRRRRRRRP mmm SLURRP SLURP SLURP please not in my hair SLURP SLURP SLURP [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::You know, normally I try to keep things clean, organized, and polite, especially when it comes to something like this. But just this once, I'm going to say it. Fuck all y'all. I don't give a flying rat's ass about what you think about me, so go fornicate yourself with a barbed iron rod. Just because I admire one man's work doesn't mean I'm some mindless suck up, and you would let Aaron Archer assfuck you (no lube). [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::: It's okay. Nobody ever listens to Hooper. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh well. So then. Thoughts on Alternators Ravage (Jaguar XK-9)? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::Allow me to translate - SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE PLEASE HEY LOOK WACKY HOOP LOOK LOOK HEY LOOK MEEE SO LONELY --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:::If somebody kills his lonely, can we get a necromancer?--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:And Hoop's comment was ''so'' unfair. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Transformers Chess Set ==

Do you know anything about the upcoming Tranformers Chess set? All I know is that Autobots are gold, and Decepticons are silver. And what should we do about an article? Just call it "Chess" or "Transformers Chess"? Plus, can anyone confirm whether or not Bumblebee is the pawn for the Autobot side? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
: Well, there's going to be two sets, one that's really expensive and in color and featuring show-accurate G1 dudes -- and the one you speak of, which is movie-related. Do we know what they say on the box, yet? I suppose we could have one article at [[Chess set]] or something that talks about all kinds of TF chess sets. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Unless there's something that really makes the sets remarkable or stand out as deserving individual mention, I move for one article about all Transformers versions of Chess, with a note about [[fulstasis]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think just [[Chess]] is a better title than [[Chess set]]. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Please remove (or at least justify) block ==
Um,
Excuse me, but... what the heck? (Block ID #49)

Why on earth have you blocked me? VANDALISM? Are you kidding?!?

Is this about the two snarky little comments spilled over from the Movie-G1-IDW categorisation micro-debate? i.e., the ones that were already deleated from the Movie pages well over a week ago and are thus no longer an issue at all? Have you seriously blocked me over that? Good lord...

Okay, maybe those TWO very SMALL comments were SLIGHTLY out of order, but to call it
vandalism...! This isn't Wikipedia, mate. If you wanna start policing sarcastic
comments and POV material then you've got a loooong task ahead of you on this
site, don't you think? Blocking me for those comments hardly seems rational.

That you wanted to delete them? Fine. But to BLOCK me for it? C'mon; get real.

I am a comparatively new user, but one in good standing who has contributed several articles and is polite in all discussions at every turn, far more so than some other users here that I've observed. I've noticed that on more than one occasion you have had somewhat grumpy reactions to things I have to say, so I'm more than a little suspicious that this block isn't some kind of vindictive action on your part, as you seemingly have some kind of problem with me, although I can't imagine on what basis.

This block is clearly absurd, and not at all in the spirit of fun and good
humour I've come to love about this site. I don't see how you can reasonably justify this action, and I am also complaining about this to your fellow adminstrator.

Yours indignantly, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: For your information, I banned you right BEFORE I deleted your vandalism. It wasn't a week-later thing, no. And, yes, if you're going to end a long Talk Page discussion in which you were overwhelmingly outvoted by editing '''the articles themselves''' with retaliatory comments, then, yes, that's vandalism. Certainly, if that's going to be the nature of your contributions here, then you don't belong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

::With all due respect this is a massive overraction. I'm prepared to apologise to anyone you want me to, but you seem to be attributing all kinds of deviant, troublemaking behaviour to me that is simply NOT truthfully accurate. Don't take my word for it: please look at my history of contribution and discussion with other users. I've always been scrupulously polite and have never gotten into an edit war with anyone.

::So, Okay, yes, if you really want me to say it: I DID A BAD THING. I'm sorry. Don't you guys have some kind of strike system? To permanently ban me over this small piece of sarcasm really seems excessive, don't you think?

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2007-05-21T03:39:14Z

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OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have allread tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2007-05-21T01:15:05Z

220.239.53.31: /* Help please! */

User talk:ItsWalky

2007-05-20T23:56:53Z

220.239.53.31:

--I'm deeply sorry

==Something I Noticed==

I see that when new users come in - I did this too - one of the first things they start to do is edit out the silly captions and some of the humor from the Wiki. This is mostly stemming from the transition from Wikipedia and other Wikis to Teletraan-1, since most others have strict no-humor. Is there a way to put up some sort of banner in the "Help Contents" guide, that explains, look, we're silly here sometimes?

And, um, that guy below is just funny as hell. [[User:Mirai Gen|Mirai Gen]] 19:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== I thought it was vandalism ==

Just that I read the article and thought it was vandalism from the way it was written. So I accidently reverted it to the old one, which had more of something that seemed like vanderism. Then I realize I am not in wikipeida, but in Transformers wiki. I clicked on a link from Tformers.com and since the two sites look so damn similar, yeah......That explains the humor and why I had to make an account here. Sorry, but I am wishy washy at the moment since I have a term paper due soon and haven't gotten any sleep. Sorry. LOL--[[User:Doomzaber|Doomzaber]] 03:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Just kind of curious ==

Is there a limit to your knowledge of Transformers lore, or is it as infinite as the cosmos?

Because damn, do you know a lot.

==You are now an Admin==

Hello ItsWalky, I've made you and Suki Brits admins for this wiki. Thanks for offering to help out! Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please see [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - you two will be fine for now, but more may be needed in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

My liege *kneels*--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 13:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Nice April Fools lol [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 14:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

...RUN, HE'S GONE MAD WITH POWER!

I know Bodycount was being antagonistic about his changes (not just on the Nemesis Prime entry), but I think blocking him for 2 weeks may have been excessive. We should try to settle editorial conflicts through compromise, like they do at Wikipedia, by rewriting the article to express both points of view and the reasoning behind those views. On the other hand, I
have no idea who he is, aside from a vague feeling that he's an Allsparker. You may be more familiar with his habits than I. Maybe he's likely to just be disruptive. But from what I have seen just here at this site, I think the block was premature. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

MAD WITH POWER!

I Knew BC at Tfans, he was a bit antaganistic to the rabid GeeWuners, but he's a great kitbasher. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 05:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Bodycount's been banned repeatedly from the Allspark, and from several other boards, as well. He's a textbook troll, and we're better off without him. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 05:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== There's an issue with the "Recent Changes" page ==

Up at the top of the "recent changes" page where it says "below are the last X chaned in the last Y days as of DATE", for some reason the "DATE" says "$3". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pssy, Walky! You need a http:// on the botcon link on your blog. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== The Agenda: Part 1 ==

:Hahaha, the guy whose fault it is I'm here was right behind me, messing with my first edits. How's that for irony? :)
:(I love Shortpacked.) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== Episode Template Comments ==

Hi ItsWalky. Thanks loads for your feedback. Sorry about the date thing. As for the loss of data between the two templates, reordering each of the groups for order of appearance shouldn't be too difficult, just means watching the episode carefully again (unfortunately, when I did the lists of characters for my own TF site, I didn't consider having them in order of appearance and thus alphabetized them right away). With regards to the difference between major and minor characters, I'm not sure I would quite know where to draw the line on who's what in every TF episode. To me, it would seem to depend if the character was regular, is he major or minor for the whole series, season, or just the episode, or if the character was a guest, I could see it likely being just the episode. Perhaps if I knew what guidline Teletraan-1 was using to determine Major/Minor status, I could think of a way to incorporate it into my template. Thanks again for your feedback. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 00:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. Just to let you know I've incorporated order of appearance into my test template if you wanted to check it out: [[User:Telet093/The Master Builder]]. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 23:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
==Cartoon==
Hi - sorry for the home page edit, I was trying to figure out if I added the word "cartoon" at the top of the page, would google figure out that your site is not about power control and liquid transformers :-) [http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]
:Google's not gonna figger it out, no, not until they distinguish between the two in their databases. Believe me, every TF site with google ads has the same problem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== A Question on Mini-Con Entries ==
As I'm hitting the "random page" button, I seem to come up with a Mini-Con page for this or that Mini-Con most of the time. Is there any reason every Mini-Con has its own page? Could they be consolidated on to their respective team pages? This may be a community issue, but I figured an editor the best place to start.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: All the ones in Armada and Cybertron, at least, have their own bios and personalities, so that should be enough for a page. I think, in principle, every toyed character should have its own page, whether it be a Nebulan, Mini-Con, Deployer, or what have you. I tend to only use the "Related characters" subsection for fiction-only humans and the like. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

==Question Time Again==
Would it be possible to consolidate the pages such as [[quartex]] and [[cycle]] and whatever else is floating about into just a single "Cybertronian Units of Time" page of some sort? I had no idea a "quartex" existed until I randomly hit the [[Conductors]] page, for instance, but having them all in one place might be helpful, or possibly to rename the page into "Measurements of time" and split off [[Megamile]]?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
: I don't see why we can't have both. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alot of images seem to be missing ==

many of the images have dissipered, such as the ones on [[neon]]. the image files themselves cive a "can't find on server" error. any idea WTF is up? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Probably just a temporary glitch. Wikia has a lot of them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sources==
How does one go about making reference to a patent and a catalog in a footnote on here?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
: Replacing -s with HTML arrow-thingies:
::-ref-[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]-/ref-
::And then create a "Footnotes" subheading at the bottom of the page, under which you type:
::-references/-
::That will automatically create a footnote there.
:See [[Ratchet (G1)]] for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
==Lyrian==
Are you seeing the Lyrian.jpg image on her entry? Because I still am not. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, correction: I ''am'' seeing it when I use Internet Explorer, but not when I use Mozilla Firefox. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think you need to refresh the page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sorry?==
Dude, the Seeker cateogry expressely said it was for G1 characters, and it wasn't until now that you decided that the Armada guys counted. Maximals was in Beast Era category, so I just made it more specific. Same for Vehicons. I'm sorry for pissing you off, but you're effectively blaming me for not being psychic. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== Images fitting ==

I have a wide screen resolution (1280x800), and often times images that are on the same side will start to stack up if there aren't enough lines of text between them, kind of like this:

:img | _______
_______| | img

That's what was happening with the Airazor pics. Would it be better to add in come blank lines? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
: Well, in Airazor's case, we just had to fill in more summary. She was missing some key episodes, which filled in more text between the two images. On other pages, I dunno, it's a problem with the system, which we'll have to work out, 'cuz I think all images are gonna hafta be lefted if there's storylinks over there. Otherwise it's a mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== COMPLETE GO-BOTS POWER?!!! ==

Walky, I '''''must''''' have this thing! For [http://chawks.brinkster.net/gb my Go-Bots site]!

PLEEEASE?

{wipes up drool}
: Steve-o's got first dibs, and he'll have it up on his TF coloring book archive whenever he gets the time. I've just now shared the harddrive folder with all the stuff in it so he has access to it, after all these years. I'm slow. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

::Saw the scans. That's awesome! It's really too bad it never got made. And y'know, I think a Go-Bots cover done in the "DW house style" could actually look super-cools. May I have permission to upload the scans to my site? (I always like to ask.) --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 20:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

==Bureaucrat==
Hi David. Since the original founder of this wiki has been inactive since June 2005, I've made you a bureaucrat here in case there are any trusted community members who need to be made into admins. See [[Wikia:Help:User access levels]] for help with this. I liked your recent [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20070101.html comic] mentioning the wiki. Perhaps you should link to the wiki as well to encourage more transformers fans to join in. [[w:User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pretender Grimlock ==

In case you didn't know, Reprolabels makes Pretender Grimlock stickers. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
: Oooh. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== About the delete of the IDW megatron Pic ==

The image illustrate megatron in his IDW form (as well as his alt mode), and it as been (at least) released on the official site. Isn't it all an image need to be. The text here, isn't the important part and is still readable anyway. Here just to prove it's not "stolen" or anything: http://www.idwpublishing.com/newreleases.shtml --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 14:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
: I know it's not stolen. We can probably manage to wait one more day until the actual issue comes out and we can have something of useable size to scan. The image, at the size it was, was useless. (Also, we should avoid having full pages up, unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise it's not exactly fair use.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== And the Lord said "DUDE". And it was groovy. ==

For the record, and I know this counts for almost nothing, Willis is the reason I'm here. Yeah, I love wikis, I love Transformers, and I (rather inexplicably) adore the Jumpstarters, but I wouldn't know about Teletraan 1 if not for the blog on Shortpacked!.

So, yeah. That's all I gotta say for now... rawkon, Walkyboy. \m/

:I hate you. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

::What the slag is Shortpacked, and who in the Pit is this Willis? --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:::You aren't serious, are you? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pie ==
What exactly is the great importance of Pie? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:As the ratio of the circumfrence to the radius of a sphere, it underpins the structure of our universe.
:Of course, some people argue that because no perfect circle exists in out quasi-raster universe, pi is actually nothing that a unique mathematical phenomena, of no consequence ot the real world.
:(These people are communists.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== disambuig question ==

When a character shares a name with an episode, do both pages get a series tag, or just the episode? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Are we talking about Chase? He's the only one that wouldn't get a (G1) otherwise, that I can think of... I would tentatively say that having the TF be [[Chase]] and the episode be [[Chase (Armada episode)]] would be fine. Of course, we might need a disambig page to encompass [[Chip Chase]], I dunno. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hey Walky, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS that you can see at [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]

It's Wikipedia's pretty able classes. Wikia (buizarely) comes with ''no'' table classes. We dont' use tables much here, but should we want to, we'd want them to look like this. (And this is the class all the wikipedia-how-to-create-a-table tutorials tell you to use.) The code is unaltered from Wikipedia, so it won't conflict with anything.

Appreciate it if you could port it over for me.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
: Where do I put it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry, I forgot you hadn't done this before.
::Please append the requested change from the CSS discussion area [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]] to the end of the actual CSS file [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], which you can edit but I cannot.
::The lack of these table styles is moderately more pressing than it was when I originally requested them, since we now have an article that actually uses tables -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== online update ==

When you talk about online updates, maybe a direct link should be required (if it's official and everyhing and stuf...).

:... for what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe I have I have missunderstood, but when he talk about "online update", he talk about material that have been put on official sites or something, and therefore, for completition sake, a link to it would be appropriate. If I have get it wrong, or if those sites require payment to be accessible, then forget what I say...
:::It is indeed pay content for the Fan Club. A direct link would not work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Alright.

== Scale question ==
Hi there, this is PacifistPrime, the originator of the new [[Scale]] article. Thanks very much for your contributions. Just one question though; you've changed some of the estimated "real world" heights for characters like Prime and Bumblebee, stating that they "have been calculated". I don't mean to disagree with you ''per se'' (although I must admit your figures do instinctively strike me as unlikely, but that's just my guestimate), but I was wondering if you could please source those figures. Not so much in the article itself (believe me, I'm very sick of the bluenoses over at Wikipedia always being on peoples' case about that), but rather just for my own personal interest. I've actually wanted for some time now to set up a project that would use the toys and specs for the real vehicles to calculate how big most of the pre-Movie G1s would be. But if someone has already done this, I'd love to know their results, and I'd be particularly interested in their method. Can you give me some directions? Please respond in my own talk page, if you don't mind. Hope to hear from you, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source LV once figured it out using real vehicle lengths and stuff.]
:Also, a trend in the article seems to be overunderestimating the size of the Transformers in the cartoon, for example, saying that Optimus Prime would "only" be 20 feet tall, versus the giant size you believe he is. We've got lots of model sheets available to us that show that Optimus Prime was drawn to be 15-ish feet, or 3 Spikes tall. Now, the comic tended to draw the Transformers much, much larger than that, but in the cartoon, they were kinda dinky, though that's of course not incredibly consistent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== ''The Enemy Within Part 2'' ==

I'm wanting to start writing an article for ''The Enemy Within'', but there is one slight problem. My scans of the issue (saved from Seibertron and TCA before the comic scans were taken down) are missing pages 9 and 10 (the last two color pages) from part 2, and from what I've been able to dig up from the Wayback Machine, the scans used on the various sites never had those two pages (or a few from ''The Man Of Iron'' UK printing, and page 8 from UK #6). I'm not sure if this is kosher, but any idea where I might be able to "acquire" those two pages? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
: Gimme an email address. I may have them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::fortressmaximus05 (at) verizon.net --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Blog not wiki ==
Hey man, that's totally fair enough; realise I was on a bit of a rave there about Masterpiece Megs. Still, you didn't have to be impolite about it. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]. P.S. I wouldn't be caught dead writing a blog. Got much better things to do with my time. Like edit this wiki. ;-)
:Me again. I seem to stuff up on your watch pretty regularly, huh? Sorry about the E.J.Su cover thing; I honestly thought that WAS him for some reason. So much so, in fact, that I was wondering myself why the style seemed a little inconsistent with his other work...! Do you know who ''did'' do it? I expect was it the same dude who did the "Uncle Prime" recruitment poster. Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:: I had already immediately edited the file to note the name of the artist. It's right there, man. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== one more Dinobot question ==

I'm wanting to try the part swap you did with your BWX Dinobots, but have one problem. Is there a way to remove the upper half of the molds upper arms without messing up the pegs and holes? Years ago, I removed those parts from my FoxKids Dinobot, but after re-assembling him, the arms would often pop off while rotating the shoulder swivel. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:09, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

The bicep piece, you mean? I haven't had any trouble with it. I just yanked it out of its socket, unscrewed it from the elbow, swapped, and voila. Worked same as before. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Just Sayin' Hi ==

Ok, this is embarassing.

I've been on the TFWiki a while now, and on a lot of discussion pages I've posted on, you're the first or second person to answer a question or comment on my post.

I also read Shortpacked and didn't know you were... well, you.

It was seemingly at random I clicked on your link to see your page and, lo and behold, you're the reason for so much joy and pain, the grand well of Transformers knowledge, the de facto LEGENDARY user who knows how many punctuation marks are in the title of seemingly random comics... from EUROPE.

I simply want to say that it's an honor for me to be able to collaborate with you on this project. Transformers has always been a big part of my childhood, and now my adulthood. I'm starting up the UniCronicles (see my page for more details) and yours, along with several other webcomics I read, have inspired me. I thank you for Shortpacked, your contribution to Teletraan I, and, of course, for making fun of that ditzy purple skank. I mean, am I the only one who noticed she was like 3 million years the senior of most of the ''Cybertron'' cast? Granny's got her freak on.

Anyway, keep making teh funniez. I'll keep reading them. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

: Allow me to translate - SLURRRRRRP SLURP SLURP SLURP SLURRRRRRRRRRP mmm SLURRP SLURP SLURP please not in my hair SLURP SLURP SLURP [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
::You know, normally I try to keep things clean, organized, and polite, especially when it comes to something like this. But just this once, I'm going to say it. Fuck all y'all. I don't give a flying rat's ass about what you think about me, so go fornicate yourself with a barbed iron rod. Just because I admire one man's work doesn't mean I'm some mindless suck up, and you would let Aaron Archer assfuck you (no lube). [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
::: It's okay. Nobody ever listens to Hooper. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh well. So then. Thoughts on Alternators Ravage (Jaguar XK-9)? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::Allow me to translate - SOMEONE PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEEEE PLEASE HEY LOOK WACKY HOOP LOOK LOOK HEY LOOK MEEE SO LONELY --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:46, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

:::If somebody kills his lonely, can we get a necromancer?--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:And Hoop's comment was ''so'' unfair. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

== Transformers Chess Set ==

Do you know anything about the upcoming Tranformers Chess set? All I know is that Autobots are gold, and Decepticons are silver. And what should we do about an article? Just call it "Chess" or "Transformers Chess"? Plus, can anyone confirm whether or not Bumblebee is the pawn for the Autobot side? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:57, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
: Well, there's going to be two sets, one that's really expensive and in color and featuring show-accurate G1 dudes -- and the one you speak of, which is movie-related. Do we know what they say on the box, yet? I suppose we could have one article at [[Chess set]] or something that talks about all kinds of TF chess sets. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:38, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Unless there's something that really makes the sets remarkable or stand out as deserving individual mention, I move for one article about all Transformers versions of Chess, with a note about [[fulstasis]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think just [[Chess]] is a better title than [[Chess set]]. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Please remove (or at least justify) block ==
Um,
Excuse me, but... what the heck? (Block ID #49)

Why on earth have you blocked me? VANDALISM? Are you kidding?!?

Is this about the two snarky little comments spilled over from the Movie-G1-IDW categorisation micro-debate? i.e., the ones that were already deleated from the Movie pages well over a week ago and are thus no longer an issue at all? Have you seriously blocked me over that? Good lord...

Okay, maybe those TWO very SMALL comments were SLIGHTLY out of order, but to call it
vandalism...! This isn't Wikipedia, mate. If you wanna start policing sarcastic
comments and POV material then you've got a loooong task ahead of you on this
site, don't you think? Blocking me for those comments hardly seems rational.

That you wanted to delete them? Fine. But to BLOCK me for it? C'mon; get real.

I am a comparatively new user, but one in good standing who has contributed several articles and is polite in all discussions at every turn, far more so than some other users here that I've observed. I've noticed that on more than one occasion you have had somewhat grumpy reactions to things I have to say, so I'm more than a little suspicious that this block isn't some kind of vindictive action on your part, as you seemingly have some kind of problem with me, although I can't imagine on what basis.

This block is clearly absurd, and not at all in the spirit of fun and good
humour I've come to love about this site. I don't see how you can reasonably justify this action, and I am also complaining about this to your fellow adminstrator.

Yours indignantly, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Megatrong1.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Baby, you know I don't mean to hurt you.]]

'''Megatron''' is (sometimes) the founder of the Decepticon uprising, and their most well-known and feared leader. As a young, charismatic leader forged in battle and the heritage of war, he began to believe in a grand purpose for his race -- it is the Transformers' glorious destiny to rule. He feels great contempt for other Transformers who, he feels, betray their proud heritage by demanding peace and cooperation with weaker life forms. It is the destiny of the Decepticons to bring order to the universe through conquest, though in the millions of years since coining this purpose it remains to be seen how much of his mission statement is altruistic... and how much of it is mere words built to fuel warriors to further his desire for personal power.

Megatron will attempt almost anything to achieve his goals, but his schemes are rarely in any way subtle. This is perhaps due to his arrogance, but his pride is not so strong as to dissuade him from abandoning a battle he is losing. Some would question his sanity, though these few are mostly now dead by his hands.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
''(Note: Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.)''

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelarmy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|No, not fascist at all.]]

Four million years ago, ''rising from his beginnings as a gladiator for the city-state of [[Tarn]],'' Megatron and the Decepticons developed the ability of transformation, using it to begin the war against the Autobots, who fought back by mimicking the technology. Megatron declared his intent to transform [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into a "cosmic dreadnought" to conquer the universe. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)|The Transformers}} ''However, he would only get as far as building massive engines deep beneath the planet's surface. {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!, Part 1}}''

Megatron also vowed to possess the planet's superdatabase, the [[Underbase]], for himself, so he followed a young Optimus Prime on his quest into the [[Temple of Knowledge]], where he destroyed the temple's curator, [[Boltax]]. In order to keep the Underbase out of Megatron's hands, Optimus Prime destroyed the temple and launched the Underbase into space. {{storylink|The Flames of Boltax!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1earlymarvel.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Check out my awesome preproduction model!]]

''After the death of [[Sentinel Prime]], Megatron's troops poised themselves around the Autobot capital city of [[Iacon]], slowly disintegrating its defenses. [[Emirate Xaaron]] chose [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], a warrior, to take the [[Council of Autobot Elders]]' place as leader of the Autobot forces. Optimus Prime and Megatron's armies then met in battle, and Megatron's forces were defeated - with help from an exploding bridge. {{storylink|And There Shall Come... A Leader!}}''

In time, the war grew so fierce that Cybertron itself was shaken from its orbit, and set adrift in the cosmos. Eventually, over a thousand years after Megatron's war had begun <ref>The length of the war is given as "over a thousand years" in [[The Transformers (comic issue)|Marvel Comics #1]], but it's said to be just a hundred years in Marvel UK's [[Legion of the Lost, Part 1]].</ref>, the planet fell into the path of an asteroid cluster in the Sol system that threatened to destroy it, and so Optimus Prime led a contingent of his troops in the Ark to reduce the asteroids to rubble, saving Cybertron. The plan was a success, but immediately afterwards, Megatron and his troops attacked, forcing Optimus Prime to crash the Ark into prehistoric Earth.

Four million years later, in 1984, the Transformers were reawakened, and Megatron immediately set about trying to locate a source of fuel for the Decepticons. Unable to ingest common Earth gasoline, the Decepticons kidnapped [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] and forced him to develop a conversion process. Megatron soon found his Decepticons and his base of operations under seige by the Autobot [[Gears]] and a strange superpowered human named [[Spider-Man]]. The pair escaped with Sparkplug, but not before he had managed to convert Earth fuel into usable energy.{{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelblackhole.jpg|thumb|left|150px|My god. He's full of stars.]]

''After an argument with Megatron, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] left their headquarters and set about on a plan to position himself above Megatron in the eyes of his comrades. [[Ravage]], sent by Megatron to spy on Starscream, was discovered overhearing Starscream's treachery, and so Starscream tried to eliminate the elusive jaguar. This enraged Megatron, who punished Starscream by having him duel the Autobot [[Brawn]]. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}} Soon, Megatron and the full fury of the Decepticons under his command, sieged the Ark itself, but his attack was stopped short by a malfunctioning [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system. Captured with Optimus Prime in a stasis field, Auntie's fatal intentions towards them prompted Megatron to activate his rarely-used ability to tap into the power of a black hole. This proved unnecessary after [[Ravage]] and [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] saved them, so Megatron moved to use his cosmic power on Prime - until Windcharger magnetically launched him out of the Ark and into the stratosphere. {{storylink|Raiders of the Lost Ark}}''

While Sparkplug was kidnapped, this had only afforded him the chance to poison their fuel, and the Decepticons were forcibly deactivated at the end of a climactic fight between the two factions. The Autobots were not saved, however, as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] suddenly arrived and defeated the Autobots with a single blast. He brought the Decepticons back online to serve him - including Megatron. Chafing under his command, Megatron battled Shockwave, but was soundly defeated.

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelhumiliation.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Get used to this, Megatron.]]

This forced Megatron him into an alliance with [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], who located and reactivated the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had defeated Shockwave in the past. However, Ratchet loosed them on Megatron, and was willing to sacrifice himself to knock Megatron off a cliff. While Ratchet survived, Megatron disappeared for some time.

Soon, however, Megatron re-emerged, trapped in pistol mode, his higher brain functions disconnected. Used as a weapon by wannabe gangster, [[Joey Slick]], Megatron eventually restored himself, and was impressed enough with Slick for standing up to him that he allowed him to live. But at this point, Megatron was desperately low on fuel, and attacked a coal mine, attempting to locate some, when he eventually completely ran out, and froze in place. He was soon located by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who brought him back online, and they subsequently entered into an alliance with the human [[Donny Finkleberg]], who used the alias of "Robot-Master" to con humankind into thinking the Transformers worked for him.

Shockwave and Megatron entered into a period of shared leadership, but when a two-pronged attack by the Autobots saw Megatron defeated by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], and Shockwave allowing the Autobots to capture the secrets of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], Megatron was able to spin the situation and reclaim his leadership.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltarget2006.jpg|left|thumb|250px|SPOILERS!]]

''A mysterious Decepticon called [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], along with his henchmen [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], entered the Decepticon camp and claimed he was the future Decepticon leader from the year 2006. Megatron found this preposterous, but though he tried to destroy the alleged imposter, he and Soundwave were buried under rubble by the powerful newcomers. Megatron was retrieved from the rubble by [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and he and the Autobots forged an uneasy alliance against Galvatron. This was still not enough, as Galvatron (who was revealed to be Megatron himself from the future) easily disposed of all of them, and was only deterred when he was tricked into believing he had travelled back in time to a past that would not become his own future. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

''Megatron summoned the [[Predacon]]s to Earth with the intention of having them hunt down Optimus Prime, but Shockwave used the opportunity to try and remove Megatron from the picture. After trailing Prime through a forest and bringing him to his knees, the Predacons turned on Megatron, blindsiding him, stealing his fusion cannon, and absconding. When Megatron came to, he continued hunting Prime, but when the Autobot leader attacked him, he summoned the [[space bridge]] in hopes of escaping to Cybertron, only for Prime to be transported with him. On Cybertron, Megatron established contact with local Decepticon commander Lord [[Straxus]], whose body had been destroyed by [[Blaster]], leaving him a head floating in a jar.''

''Straxus soon came to consider the irrational Megatron a liability and sought to dispose of him by transplating his mind into Megatron's body, giving him mobility again while trapping Megatron in his remains. Megatron resisted the transfer, however, and the process went awry, leaving both Straxus and Megatron's minds trapped in Megatron's body together. Outwardly, Megatron seemed to become more and more unstable as the two personalities inside him battled for control; when attacked by Prime and [[Ultra Magnus]], he even proved desperate enough to use his anti-matter manipulation powers, nearly destroying the entire Decepticon complex, until [[Ratbat]] activated the space bridge and sent him back to Earth. Straxus's consciousness fled Megatron's body, and Megatron himself was left with no memory of the whole affair.''

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltooclever.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yes, you're very smart. Shut up.]]

In order to attain possession of a new energy-generating device, the hydrothermacline, Megatron battled Optimus Prime in a video game duel, using a cheat code to continue the fight after he had lost. Prime defeated him again, but at the expense of some of the game's characters, and ruled himself the loser because he would not have committed such an act in real life. Prime was destroyed, and Megatron's elation soon turned into paranoia, as he had not killed Prime with his own hands, and believed he could still be alive. Bringing the Predacons ''back'' to Earth, Shockwave had them pose as Autobots and attack Megatron in another attempt to remove his threat, but the plan failed when the deranged Megatron defeated even [[Predaking]]. Believing (correctly, as it would turn out) that Prime's mind could have been preserved on computer disk, Megatron descended into outright insanity, and boarded the space bridge, vowing to go where Prime could not follow - right before he blew it up with his fusion cannon, apparently killing himself.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltwomegatrons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|buggabuggaWHA?]]

''Megatron's absence allowed a contingency plan arranged by Lord Straxus to be put into motion. In the event that his attempt to seize Megatron's body failed, Straxus had had a clone of Megatron created, complete with a copy of his brain patterns, into which his consciousness retreated following the previous debacle. Straxus lay dormant within the clone, which was activated following Megatron's seeming demise, and sent to Earth, to the sewers beneath [[London]]. There, the clone - believing itself to be the genuine article - battled the Autobots, [[G.I. Joe|Action Force]], and the mechanoid [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]], and wound up submerged in the Thames river.''

''Some time later, it was salvaged by Shockwave, who brainwashed it and unleashed it on [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], a recreated future version of Megatron who had traveled back in time from the year 2006 and posed a threat to Shockwave's leadership. The clone Megatron, however, saw a possible partner in Galvatron, and the two teamed up to battle Autobots and Decepticons from both present and future in the apocalyptic [[Time Wars]]. Subsequently, the clone returned to Cybertron, where it defeated the ruling Decepticon Triumvirate, but was then confronted with the ''real'' Megatron - ''the Spacebridge explosion had deposited him in the Dead End region of Cybertron, where he had wandered, with no recollection of who he was, until he had saved [[Blackjack|a Decepticon]] from Autobots and regained his memories.'' The clone Megatron subsequently destroyed itself to prevent Straxus, buried inside its mind, from taking over.''

[[Image:Megs_ratch.jpg|right|thumb|200px|As you can tell, the Marvel Comics weren't very good to Megatron.]]

While Megatron's [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]] created a diversion which pitted Optimus Prime's forces against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s, Megatron sent his [[Micromaster]] [[Sports Car Patrol]] to capture Ratchet from the Ark, bringing him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Threatening Ratchet with the destruction of the Ark and all of his patients aboard, Megatron forced him to recreate Starscream as a [[Pretender]]. Ratchet did so, but also restored [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in the same manner, thwarting his scheme, and also bringing the explosives on board the Ark through a [[trans-time dimensional portal]] into Megatron's base. When Megatron then attempted to flee through the portal, Ratchet tackled him as the Decepticon's base exploded around them, apparently killing them both. {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

Soon after, however, Autobot detective [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] discovered that the explosion had actually blown them through the portal, and he dispatched a probe to pull them back from the gaps between reality. However, when they rematerialised, it was revealed that the explosion had fused the two enemies together, into a hideous, twisted mockery of a being, which ran rampant through the Ark. The half that was Ratchet begged Optimus Prime to kill them, but Prime could not, and had the [[Micromaster]] [[Fixit]] separate their bodies. Unfortunately, Fixit could not separate their minds, as they were bonded at a molecular level; one could not survive without the other.

Their separated bodies lay in the Ark's medbay until Grimlock pumped them full of [[Nucleon]], though the revitalizing effect took some time to help Ratchet and Megatron come to. Megatron awoke to find [[Galvatron II]], another version of him from the future, wandering the halls of the Ark as it returned to Earth. Galvatron II, driven to insanity, initially tried to kill Megatron to purge the memory of him that haunted his mind. Megatron was in no state to comprehend what was going on around him, and began interpreting Galvatron II's blows as coming from Ratchet.

Though Galvatron II and Megatron eventually came to terms with each other while beating up Shockwave (he and Starscream had stolen the ship), vowing to join forces and take over the galaxy, Ratchet doomed them all by igniting the Ark's engines and spiralling the Autobot spacecraft into the Earth below. Megatron was presumed dead among the remains that constituted the crash site in northern [[Canada]]. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}}

=====Earthforce=====
''In an offshoot of the Marvel timeline following the restoration of the Autobots aboard the Ark with Nucleon, but before... uh ... ''(okay, see [[Earthforce]] for continuity notes, it's pretty complicated...)''

[[Image:Megs_earthforce.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The real culprit behind global warming.]]

''Somewhere in the [[Arizona]] desert, Megatron and the [[Constructicon]]s built a rocket that would launch into Earth's atmosphere and detonate, converting the atmosphere into [[energon]]. He was interrupted by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and though Megatron insisted they were too late to stop the rocket, {{storylink|Starting Over!}} Prowl rode the rocket into the atmosphere, and was able to destroy the satellite the rocket carried before it released its gas canisters. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Now that [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s [[Earthforce]] had installed itself to counter Megatron and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s Decepticons on Earth, the two leaders decided to hold a [[Bad Guy's Ball]] to foster unity. This event was sabotaged by the Earthforce, and once again, Megatron and Shockwave's respective groups were at each other's throats. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}}''

'''''(Note: The following three sections all split off from the end of the Generation 1 comic, but in three different, irreconcileable directions.)'''''

===="Another Time And Place" text story====
[[Image:Megatrong1anothertime.jpg|right|thumb|50px|Yuk!]]

Trapped in nontransforming Action Master bodies, Grimlock and the Dinobots snuck a shuttle to [[Hydrus Four]], where rumor had it a new, less destructive brand of [[Nucleon]] had been developed. However, the allegedly defeated Decepticons were waiting for just such a trip, and followed the Dinobots to the planet's surface, where they were ambushed and captured. Grimlock woke up to hear endless chants of "Megatron! Megatron! Megatron!" as technicians had strung up the late Decepticon leader's body, culled from his supposed doom on Earth, for repairs. Bludgeon would revive him, revive their fallen, and then the war would begin anew.

But Bludgeon wouldn't get the chance. The cavalry arrived, and Optimus Prime's Autobots quickly quelled the Decepticons' would-be resurgance. As Bludgeon was taken apart to pieces by a vicious repair spider, a partially-restored Megatron, a visual monstrocity, lunged half-alive at Grimlock and Optimus Prime. With a double-teamed punch, Megatron's undead corpse was easily defeated. The war was truly over. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}

====Generation 2====
[[Image:Megatrong2cobra.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Green with evil!]]

Although thought dead for a year or two, Megatron had actually survived the Ark crash (though his mental link with Ratchet was forgotten), and had quietly worked to repair it, concealing it beneath the ground. From there, Megatron tracked a signal, mistakenly believing it was another Transformer, but instead he found the shape-shifting castle of the terrorist organisation, [[Cobra]]. He entered into a bargain with its leaderder, [[Cobra Commander]], offering him the technology of the Ark in exchange for the new weapons his organization was developing. Reconstructed into a new tank body with a powerful rail gun, Megatron defeated a squad of Autobots sent to stop him, and then turned on Cobra, capturing the scientist who had developed his gun, [[Dr. Biggles-Jones|Doctor Biggles-Jones]] and escaping in the Ark.

Both [[Skydive (G1)|Skydive]] and [[Spike Witwicky]] had snuck on board, and following a clearly one-sided battle with Spike's [[Headmaster]] partner, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], Megatron was seemingly killed again when Fortress Maximus threw himself into the Ark's power core, destroying it once and for all. But Megatron (and a repaired Starscream) rejoined the Decepticons on Earth to challenge the current Decepticon leader, Bludgeon. Bludgeon was deposed, fatally, though Megatron continued many of the Pretender's ongoing projects, such as calling the attentions of Optimus Prime to Earth by indiscriminately rampaging across it. When Prime finally showed up, Megatron's old foe at first attempted to talk and join forces against the new threat of [[Jhiaxus]] and his [[Advanced-Decepticon]]s, but Megatron ignored him, ripped the [[Creation Matrix]] from his chest, and left to infuse a new generation of warriors with life. But after securing the galvanizing additive known as [[Rheanium]], his forces were bested by Jhiaxus.

[[Image:megatrong2idiot.jpg|thumb|300px|Megatron's getting a little too self-aware.]]

Megatron himself was humbled brutally in battle against Jhiaxus, so he entered into an alliance with the Autobots to "put their house in order." Conversely, they were betrayed by Starscream, who joined forces with Jhiaxus' troops, alerted Jhiaxus to the location of the Autobot/Decepticon camp on Earth, and then again betrayed both sides by using the opportunity to steal the Creation Matrix and Megatron's [[War World]]. Starscream, using the powers of the Matrix, fused himself with the War World, which gave Megatron and Optimus Prime great difficulty as they fought their way through its shifting insides. Ultimately, Starscream relinquished the Creation Matrix to Optimus Prime when it was discovered that the artifact was making him nice, allowing Megatron to load a ship with canisters of [[Rheanium]] gas and head back to Earth, where the [[Swarm]] was beginning its attack. Megatron arrived just in time to coat the remaining Transformers with the gas, which protected them from the Swarm long enough for Optimus Prime to defeat the Swarm with the Matrix. The Swarm departed, changed into a force for good, leaving both Autobot and Decepticon seemingly united for good.
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====Fun Publications ''Classics'' comics====

''(Note: The Classics comic takes place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a new timeline that does not include the events of the G2 mini.)''

[[Image:Megatronclassicscrossingover.jpg|left|thumb|175px|How's THIS for child safety!]]

Fifteen years had passed since Megatron supposedly died along with Shockwave, Starscream, and Ratchet when the Ark crashed violently into the Yukon. The defeated Decepticon army scattered, and the Autobots were able to return to a peaceful Cybertron.

Inexplicably, Megatron returned (in a new body) and once again stalked the Earth, rallying the remaining Decepticons to him. Eventually, Megatron, roaming free, stumbled across [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] and [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], who had travelled from [[Unicron Trilogy|their universe]] in a fantastic energon/forcefield explosion, but his evil intentions for them were interrupted by human-piloted [[Armored Robot Hunters]] and subsequently a small team of Autobots led by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}}
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===Animated continuity===

====Generation 1 cartoon====

:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Seizō Katō]] (Japan)<br>

[[Image:G1Megatron-LD.jpg|left|thumb|Megatron has no nostrils.]]

Following a war between the Decepticons and the other robot race, the [[Autobot|Autobots]], the Decepticons were defeated by the Autobots' invention of transformation, which allowed them the advantage of stealth. The Autobot victory in the war began the [[Golden Age of Cybertron]], but a viper lurked within this paradise. Eventually, Decepticons too developed transformation, leading to the creation of Megatron by the [[Constructicon]]s. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4|FFOD, Part 4}}

Gathering a small number of troops together, Megatron made a small strike on an outer city, killing the current Autobot leader. Megatron used a device called the [[Robosmasher]] to permanently reprogram Autobots and Decepticons into servitude of his cause, thus swelling the Decepticon ranks into a proper army. Among the robots forced into servitude were the Constructicons. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

However, these events were not made public knowledge, and young robots like the naive [[Orion Pax (G1)|Orion Pax]] still looked up to Megatron and his followers because of their new robot-mode flight powers. However, Pax soon learned the error of his ways when Megatron duped him into allowing him access to [[Energon]] warehouses, and Megatron fatally injured him in a scuffle. However, the ancient Autobot, [[Alpha Trion]], reconstructed Pax into a battle hardy configuration - now, he was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], leader of the Autobots and Megatron's sworn opponent as the civil war erupted again. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

[[Image:G1Megatron-Flail.jpg|right|thumb|Megatron and his energy flail/mace/morning star/thingamajig.]]

Eventually, the war drained Cybertron of most of its energy, necessitating that both factions seek out new worlds and new sources of power. Megatron and his elite forces pursued the Autobots' craft, (referred to as the [[Ark|The Ark]] in Beast Wars, following the ship's name from the G1 Marvel Comics) in their star cruiser (referred to as the [[Nemesis]] in Beast Wars) and attacked and boarded the craft, causing it to crash on a prehistoric planet, entombing all on the ship in emergency stasis as it crashed into a dormant volcano. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1|MTMTE, Part 1}}

Four million years later, a volcanic eruption reactivated the Transformers and the war began again on the energy-rich world they found themselves on; Earth. After their first series of battles, the Autobots believed Megatron and the Decepticons destroyed when their new space cruiser crashed into the [[Pacific Ocean]], but in reality they survived and reconstructed the cruiser to serve as a sub-oceanic staging base and bunker. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2|MTMTE, Part 2}}

Megatron re-established contact with Cybertron, and began construction of an intergalactic transport system called a "space bridge," although the early tests nearly resulted in his destruction when he was sucked into the portal and teleported to Cybertron. The technology was eventually stabilised, however, and used in a grand scheme to transport Cybertron through space into Earth's orbit, where the natural disasters its gravity wreaked created tremendous energy that Megatron and the Decepticons gathered. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}}

The Earth was saved, however, when Megatron's stockpiles of energy were detonated by the Autobots, the explosion forcing Cybertron out of orbit. Again, however, Megatron was able to cheat death, and was forced to team up with Optimus Prime in order to stop the machinations of his treacherous lieutenant, [[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction}}

In his next scheme, Megatron absorbed all the separate powers of the other Decepticons into himself, and challenged Optimus Prime to one-on-one combat. With the added abilities of all his minions, Megatron easily defeated Prime in the battle, but when his deception was revealed, he and his followers were defeated in a group attack. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

Over the following years, Megatron's schemes to obtain Earth's energies continued. His assorted plans included various attempts to harness the power of Earth's core, thefts of several unstable energy devices from human scientists, the draining of energy from a time-lost prehistoric island, and partnership with a human politician that allowed him to force the Autobots off of Earth, and actually allowed him to conquer [[Central City (G1)|Central City]] among [[Giant Purple Griffin|many]], many others. {{storylink|The Core}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} {{storylink|Aerial Assualt}}

====Transformers the Movie (1986)====

Eventually, however, Megatron turned his attention away from Earth, and succeeded in completely conquering Cybertron by the Earth year 2005. Learning the Autobots were preparing a strike against the planet, Megatron and the Decepticons intercepted the shuttle sent to Earth to acquire energy to power the raid, and unleashed a mighty assault on [[Autobot City]]. In the course of the conflict, word was sent to Optimus Prime, who arrived the following morning after the slaughter and confronted Megatron in another one-on-one struggle. Megatron appeared beaten, but spying a discarded pistol, stalled for time by pleading for mercy as he attempted to reach it. The young Autobot Hot Rod then intervened, tackling Megatron, but amazingly, one of the most powerful Decepticon was too much for him, seizing him and using him as shield as he grabbed the pistol and opened fire on Prime. Funny that. The wounds were fatal and sent Prime to the grave - but not before he delivered his own final blow to Megatron, seriously damaging him and forcing the Decepticons to flee.

On the return trip to Cybertron, it became necessary to jettison excess mass, or the Decepticons would be unable to reach the planet. The wounded Decepticons were voted out, and set adrift in space, including Megatron. But this was not to be the end for the great slag-maker, as the world-devourer, [[Unicron]], found him and recreated him into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

====Fight! Super Robot Life Transformers manga (Japan-only)====

Between the second season and ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Movie]]'', Megatron shifted the focus of his energy plundering schemes to the energy-rich [[Japan]]. His many schemes, including attacking with the [[Seeker]]s and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and turning himself into the [[Super Megatron Gun]], were thwarted by the Autobots and their new human ally, [[Kenji]]. His one major success, however, was sending [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector]] to steal secrets from [[Scramble City]] which he used to build [[Trypticon]].

====Scramble City OVA (Japan-only)====

Hoping to thwart the construction of [[Scramble City]], Megatron sent his entire army of [[combiner]]s to the city's secret location (which had been discovered by [[Ratbat]]). The Autobots struggled to fight off Megatron's combiner army until [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] activated Scramble City and sent in [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], who fought the Decepticons off. Megatron then revealed his trumpcard: Trypticon.

====The Transformer manga (Japan-only)====

After the events of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and ''[[Five Faces of Darkness]]'', Galvatron attempted to destroy the Autobots with a legion of Megatron clones dubbed [[Megatron Military|"The Megatron Military"]]. Each clone was equipped with its own unique fusion cannon and were capable of combining the blasts into an intense attack. As a unified force, the Megatron Military crushed [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. Their victory was assured until Rodimus managed to deduce that the Megatron Military was being controlled by Galvatron. As it turned out, Galvatron was actually disguised as one of the Megatron clones. Once Rodimus defeated Galvatron, all the Megatron clones lost power and were easily vanquished.

====''Robot Masters'' (Japan)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Jirō Saitō]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Rmrebirthmegatron.JPG|thumb|HAH! I fooled you for all of five seconds!]]

In the exclusive Japanese toyline, ''[[Transformers: Robot Masters]],'' whose story began in the timeline of the G1 animated series, but branched off at some point in the twenty-year interim between seasons 2 and 3, Megatron was lost in an undisclosed accident, leaving his time-displaced ''Beast Wars'' descendant to take his place as Decepticon leader (the toyline applied the qualifying titles of "G1 Megatron" and "Beast Megatron" to the characters to distinguish them). As events progressed, it was revealed that G1 Megatron's consciousness took possession of the body of a "Convoy" (an Autobot leader) known as [[Reverse Convoy]], leader of the planet [[Vehicon_(planet)|Vehicon]], via an inter-dimensional uplink to a black hole, and then used it to pose as an ally to the Autobots, only to betray them by revealing himself as the aptly-named "Rebirth Megatron."

====Battlestars: Return of Convoy'' (Japan-only)====
[[Image:Supermeg.jpg|left|thumb|Super Megatron transforms into a "spaceship"]]

''(Note: With his transformation into Galvatron, Megatron departed from the animated continuity, until five years later, in the Japanese-exclusive storyline, ''Battlestars: The Return of Convoy'', which, although not animated itself (told instead through one chapter of [[manga]] and several [[story page]]s), continues the tale of the cartoon universe.)''

In the previous Japanese-exclusive animated series, ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'', Galvatron had been apparently destroyed when he was buried on an iceberg. In the ''Return of Convoy'' storyline, a new evil force named [[Dark Nova]] recovered Galvatron's body, and restored him to life as '''Super Megatron''', pitting him against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Battlestars: Return of Convoy (Japan-only)|Star Convoy]] (the reborn Optimus Prime) and his Autobots. Super Megatron didn't fare too well against his old adversary and was swiftly defeated. Dark Nova then upgraded him into '''Ultra Megatron''' who had a similar success rate.

For the final battle, Dark Nova merged with the remains of Ultra Megatron and formed the massive [[Dark Nova|Star Giant]]. Star Giant was virtually invincible from the outside, so Star Convoy, [[Grandus]] and [[Sky Garry]] traveled inside his body and began tearing up the joint. As soon as they'd inflicted enough damage, the trio escaped just as Star Giant detonated, leaving only his head some-what intact. Fortunately for Megatron, his body was stored within the head, allowing him to survive the explosion.

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====Generation 2 manga (Japan-only)====

[[Image:JapG2Meg.jpg|right|250px|thumb|He hasn't lost his nack for monologuing in his old age]]

After [[Battlestars]], Megatron recovered from the Star Giant incident and returned to his original body. Appearing to have discarded his evil ways, he joined with Optimus Prime to form the [[Cybertron Alliance]] and ushered in the Second Generation of Transformers. However, after human soldiers killed one of his dearest comrades, he adopted a new body and began the war anew.

Megatron coordinated an onslaught of attacks which mortally wounded Optimus Prime (who had adopted a new missile trailer mode to counter Megatron). Megatron then delivered the fatal blow, personally, and believed his enemy dead. Killing Optimus Prime wasn't so easy, as the [[spark|sparks]] of the previous Autobot Supreme Commanders within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] used the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] to transform Optimus into Battle Convoy. The fight raged on for a while until Prime managed to drive the Decepticon forces to retreat into outer space.

=====Generation 2: "The Earth is in Danger!"=====

''(Note: this manga special is '''not''' in continuity with the Japanese G2 story pages and minicomics.)''

In the year 199X, the Decepticons had learned of a powerful new energy source known as [[forestonite]] which just happened to be located (surprise surprise) on [[Earth]]. Megatron sent his trio of [[Cyberjet]]s to Earth first to draw out the enemy Autobots. The Cyberjets made quick work of [[Electro]] but were soon halted by the appearance of Optimus Prime.

Megatron then entered the fray and fired his Black Hole Burn attack from his fusion cannon, narrowly missing Optimus Prime but vaporizing [[Hooligan]] in the process. Prime fought fiercely but Megatron began to take the upper-hand in battle.

However, Prime was encouraged to keep fighting by the cheers of a human boy named [[Junpei]]. Megatron, surprised at Prime's resiliance, attempted to finish his foe off with his Tornado Axe attack. Prime countered with his Double Wheel-Torque Mega-Ton, which trumped Megatron's attack and injured the Decepticon badly. Megatron teleported back to his ship and left Earth's atmosphere, vowing to return.

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===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books continuity===
:''Voice actor: Earl Hammond(?)''

In ''[[When Continents Collide]]'', Megatron calls Soundwave a "blundering tape-filled idiot." This is notable because it is hilarious. Also, Megatron totally sounds like "Mumm-Ra" from ''Thundercats''. This version of Megatron also has an odd obsession with drills, mole machines, and other burrowing devices, as he uses them frequently in his plans for energy gathering and conquest.

===Marvel Books Big Looker Storybook continuity===

[[Image:KidsCliff1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|MTV pimps Megatron's ride.]]

In ''[[The Great Car Rally]]'', a bunch of humans set up a race for charity. The victor would received a year's supply of oil and gasoline. Well, the Decepticons desperately wanted that bounty, so rather than just steal it, they decided to sneak into the race. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] was one of the Autobots driving in the rally and was unaware that the scary black Cadillac was actually being driven by Megatron! Megatron dogged Cliffjumper for quite a while but ended up losing to the Minibot. Cliffjumper won the race and everybody smiled, even Optimus Prime

Frighteningly.
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Megatrong1gladiator.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Gladiators can afford extra paint applications.]]

Young Megatron was a gladiatorial combatant in the depths of [[Cybertron_(planet)|Cybertron]]’s underworld. As victory upon victory mounted, he began to realize that the games were nothing more than an elaborate conspiracy by the [[Council of Ancients]] to divert the attentions of the masses from the dangerous truth of Cybertron’s history. When Megatron began to show interest in Cybertron's buried past through exploration and research, the Council of Ancients attempted to have him assassinated - a plan that only resulted in stirring up even more discontent among Cybertronians, allowing Megatron to begin recruiting for the Decepticon movement.

First his "inner circle," then many of the gladiators, and then finally disgruntled civilians answered his call to action. The Decepticons were born. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

[[Image:Fledglingcause.jpg|left|thumb|350px|Megatron is so grass-roots.]]

Megatron's forces began a civil war of Autobot against Decepticon in order to mask his reactivation of the ancient planetary engines buried beneath Cybertron’s surface. As a result, Cybertron would be transformed into a massive warworld that would cut a swathe of destruction through the galaxy. This plan failed. During a conflict with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron's lieutenant [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] activated the planet mechaforming process too soon, resulting in the destruction of the machinery.

Roughly 7.4 million years BCE, Megatron and Optimus Prime disappeared in an early test of the then-unstable [[Space Bridge]] matter-transport system. Spending an undisclosed time on the planet [[Quintessa]], Megatron returned with an overwhelming army of lifeless [[Air Warrior|seeker clones]], quickly subjugating Cybertron. ''(This story was never finished due to the closure of Dreamwave, though the seekers and presumably Megatron as well were eventually defeated.)''

Four million years BCE, Cybertron was threatened by a massive approaching asteroid, so Optimus Prime led a contingent of Autobots aboard the [[Ark]] to blow the rock to fragments, which were transported away by an orbital Space Bridge network. When this task was completed, Megatron chose this moment to strike, attacking the Ark with his troops. Crippled, the craft flew through one of the Space Bridge portals, and was transported to prehistoric Earth, where it crashed, entombing the occupants in stasis for four million years.

The Autobots and Decepticons were reactivated in 1984, but specific details of the battles were unrecorded until 1999, when a Autobot/Human military alliance succeeded in capturing and deactivating the Decepticons. However, the [[Ark II]] spaceship carrying them back to Cybertron exploded shortly after liftoff, and the Transformers were believed destroyed. In actuality, they had been scattered back to Earth, where they lay in [[stasis lock]] across the globe for three years. This slumber was brought to an end when [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]] (aka Lazarus), a rogue military scientist who had devised a method of controlling Transformers, salvaged many of the fallen Cybertronians and reprogrammed them as mass killing machines, which he then attempted to sell on the black market. Megatron was first to break free of the human's control, overriding the new programming and capturing Lazarus during an auction. Megatron forced Lazarus to watch as he unleashed a technorganic virus designed to transform all of Earth into a new Cybertron. It also served to lure Optimus Prime and the Autobots, also now reactivated, to his location. Megatron, tired of the war, continuously asked Prime to join him. After his first failed attempt, Megatron unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on [[San Francisco]], ensuing in mass slaughter, in an attempt to show Prime the humans were not worth fighting for. However, the selfless sacrifice of several firemen restored Prime's faith in humanity and allowed him and the Autobots to beat back Megatron.

Several months later. Megatron was subliminally summoned to a remote area in Alaska along with the other Earthbound Transformers. There they battled until Megatron's former second-in-command, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], arrived and revealed that in their absence the war on Cybertron had ended. He arrested Megatron, Prime, and their troops as war criminals. Megatron, weakened by battle, was quickly defeated by Shockwave and loaded aboard his shuttle for return to Cybertron, only to have Starscream seize the opportunity by jettisoning him into space on the return trip. Megatron used the time floating in space to contemplate his existence and the Decepticon goal. Realizing that he had wasted millennia in his feud with Prime, Megatron resolved to once again conquer Cybertron as a means of enhancing the Transformer race and strengthening it from outside threats. It seemed as through he would not live to accomplish this goal, however, as death closed in on him... only for him to be retrieved by the [[Junkion]] [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. Wreck-Gar took Megatron to the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and repaired and re-armed him, as well as digging up and reactivating a number of seeker clones that had wound up there after being dumped through space bridge portals. Megatron returned the favor by stabbing him in the back with an energy dagger.

Traveling to the Planet [[Beest]], Megatron defeated the exiled Decepticon warlords, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], and rebuilt them into the mightiest of all combiners, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], to serve as his ace in the hole in his quest to reclaim leadership of the Decepticons. Moving in stealth on Cybertron, Megatron defeated Shockwave, severing his laser arm and forcing him into servitude. He then returned to Earth to collect the remaining Decepticons under Starscream's command, and to teach Starscream a lesson long in coming.

''While it was alluded that Megatron had a grand goal in mind that also included the subjugation of the [[Quintessons]], the remainder of the story has yet to be told due to the closure of Dreamwave. However it has been stated by representatives of IDW publishing, the current holders of the Transformer comic license, that once Dreamwave has exited bankruptcy court, they intend to finish the story.''

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=== IDW comics continuity ===
[[Image:Megatrong1idwpreearth.jpg|left|thumb|150px|700 years ago, his helmet was black, but now it's gray. The difference time makes, huh?]]

The war between Megatron's Decepticons and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots was so great that it created an impending energy crisis and threatened the stability of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] left Cybertron, secretly pursuing alternate energy sources, Megatron asked [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to investigate his files. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}

Later, a Decepticon scientist, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], came to Megatron with a revolutionary, controversial plan to stave off this energy death by encasing themselves in "symbiotic carapaces," or shells created from living tissue. When Megatron dismissed him angrily and cut him down, Thunderwing did not abandon his research and instead experimented on himself. As a result, this made Thunderwing so powerful that Megatron had to join forces with Optimus Prime to stop him. This battle on [[Thunderhead Pass]] accelerated the apocalyse destined to befall Cybertron, leaving it an uninhabitable, radioactive husk and forcing both armies to continue their war on other worlds.

[[Image:Megatrong1idwgunbody.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I ''also'' wonder.]]

Seven hundred years later, in current times, it was discovered that Bludgeon had, as a result of digging through Shockwave's files, resurrected Thunderwing's dangerous project. Megatron ordered [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]], in a ship orbiting Cybertron, to obliterate the planet if absolutely necessary. However, Optimus Prime and the [[Wreckers]] were able to thwart both Bludgeon and a reanimated Thunderwing, and so destruction of the planet was averted. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

Megatron, meanwhile, was on Earth, investigating Starscream's infiltration team. He discovered that Starscream had stumbled across [[Ore-13]], an incredible energy source which had been [[Spotlight: Shockwave|mysteriously seeded there]], and that the Air Commander was planning to use it to usurp Megatron's command. After seriously damaging the hesitantly rebellious [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Blitzwing]], Megatron faced a super-powered Starscream. Though the Ore-13 made Starscream a formidable adversary, Megatron was still more deadly than he, and Starscream was destroyed; whether he can be restored is still unknown. {{storylink|Infiltration}}

Megatron took stock of Starscream's progress on Earth, in light of the discovery of Ore-13, repaired Skywarp and Blitzwing, and made Starscream's former troops aware, in no uncertain terms, that any further insurrections would be met with deadly force. But instead of leaving Earth in the hands of a new commander, Megatron stayed to guide into the second stage of the Decepticons' plans, wishing to try out his new Earth-inspired handgun [[altmode]]. {{storylink|Escalation}}

He then uses Ore-13's power for fancy [[size changing|mass-displacement technology]] and turns into a pistol [[Scale|for use in human hands]], proclaiming himself to be the most powerful living weapon in the universe. Or maybe he just wants to be held.
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===''Beast Wars''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Garry Chalk]] (US)

The original Megatron made three appearances (four if you count the scene removed from "Nemesis") in the Beast Wars TV series. He first appeared in a flashback in "The Agenda" inscribing a message on the [[Golden Disk]]. His second apperence, also from "Agenda", was in the message itself. The third apperence, in "Master Blaster", Megatron was shown offline in the [[Ark]] as [[Megatron (BW)]] takes his spark. A fourth apperence, which showed [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] returning the Decepticon leader's spark to his body, was removed because of time constraints but was included as an easter egg in [[Kid Rhino|Rhino's]] Beast Wars Season 3 box set.

Also, in Hasbro/Kenner's original plans, Beast Wars Megatron (Basic and Ultra forms) was supposed to be Generation 1 Megatron in a new body, which is supported by the tech specs.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Megatron''' (Decepticon Leader, 1984, 2001, 2002)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''16'''
[[Image:G1Megatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|This photo needs an orange cap or someone might shoot the wiki.]]

: Megatron was released in 1984 as part of the first year of the ''Transformers'' line in the United States. It transformed into a Walther P-38 pistol, as seen in the popular 1960s spy television series ''The Man from U.N.C.L.E.'', with attachments. It was originally released in [[Takara]]'s [[Microman]] toyline as "MC13 Gun Robo - P38 U.N.C.L.E." The Japanese release didn't come with the attachments. While the American release was chrome and red, the Japanese release was flat grey and blue (one of the Microman decos for the standard P-38).

: In 1986, Megatron was made available as a mail-away item (since he was theoretically no longer shipping to retail shelves) in the [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]] flier packed in with boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $21.50 and five [[robot points]].

: The flat grey and blue deco Megatron was also used in the Japanese VS-X giftset with Optimus Prime.

:It was again released in grey and blue with Starscream in the Good-Bye Megatron set. This time, it came with his fusion cannon.

:In 2001, Megatron was reissued in Japan, and came with all of the American and Japanese accessories. A black redeco (the other standard P-38 Microman deco) was released the same year as a BotCon Japan exclusive.

:Megatron was again reissued in 2002 in Takara's Transformer Collection series. This release was identical to the previous reissue, but came with the mace used in the episode "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]", a sheet of Decepticon stickers, and a Decepticon mouse pad.

*'''Galvatron''' (Decepticon City Commander, 1986)
:''See [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]''

*'''Megatron (Action Master)''' (1990)
[[Image:AMMegatron_toy.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Megatron, now with purple.]]

:Megatron returned as an ''[[Action Master]]'' in 1990, and as with most ''Action Master'' figures, he could not transform. His sculpt was based heavily upon the Megatron's animation model design. He came packaged with the [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]], a large tank vehicle whose hull could transform into a base/gun emplacement, with the turret forming a flight pod.

===Generation 2===
*'''Megatron''' (1992)
[[Image:G2Megatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|G2 Megatron is always ready for tank combat in one of Earth's many green and purple jungles.]]

: Owing to the inability of Hasbro to re-release the original Megatron because that toy was a pistol, ''Generation 2'' Megatron was released in 1992 as a large green M1A1 Abrams main battle tank. His main gimmick was a 'lock and load' cannon that can load most of his projectile ammunition, and then fire them one at a time. This was accompanied by electronic sounds (including engine, laser and cannon sound effects) and [http://www.supload.com/sound_confirm.php?get=894768596.wav a voice chip].

: In robot mode, Megatron is by the standards of the time, a very large robot, towering over all ''Generation 2'' incarnations of Optimus Prime. He legs were immobile, but he had upper shoulder rotation and elbow joints. His left arm, when raised, activates a laser sound. Pressing down on his head activates his battlecry '''"Megatron Attack!"'''. His main cannon still functions in this mode.

*'''Hero Megatron''' (1995)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-2'''
[[Image:R_heromegatron016.jpg|right|thumb|90px|By this point, the purple had almost completely taken over his body.]]

:Megatron was released again the following year as "Hero" Megatron: a smaller, but similarly styled tank based off the M1 Abrams. This Megatron was purple and came with a bellows that fired an air-propelled missile.

: Hero Megatron was designed with articulation in mind, so he was loaded with ball joints and multiple swivel joints, giving him far greater movement compared to his original ''Generation 2'' toy.

: This toy was released in Europe, sans the "MEGATRON RULES" sticker, as [[Archforce]].
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*'''Megatron''' (Go-Bot, 1995)

: Megatron was released in a third form, "Go-Bot" Megatron. This was a minor repaint of the previously released [[Blowout (G2)|Blowout]] mold, substituting silver for transparent gray plastic.

: In Japan, his hood was tampographed with a stylised T, with the Transformers logo set within.

*Unreleased
:In addition to these, Megatron had a few unreleased toys in the G2 line. The first was the Megatron ATB (with Starscream), a recolor of the [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] mold. The Beast Wars II [[BB]] and [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]] used the same deco, but had diffrent stickers. A second toy was a recolor of the Hero mold in a grey deco with black camoflauge stripes. The third toy was the flip changer used in 1997 as [[Machine Wars]] Megatron and [[Megaplex (MW)]].

===Machine Wars===
* '''Megatron''' (1997)
[[Image:MWMegatron_toy.jpg|right|thumb|And that's why Thundercracker turned green.]]

: This toy was redecoed from an unreleased Generation 2 flipchanger Megatron.
: Oddly, all on-package art and pictures show Megatron as a grey jet with [[Megaplex]] as the blue jet, the opposite of the actual toys. Like most other toys in the line, the boxart was recycled from an earlier figure, in this case from the [[Predator]] [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]].

===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
*'''Megatron''' (2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF 07'''
[[Image:STFMegatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|Not 20th Anniversary [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] gun.]]

: ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Megatron was released in 2004, coming with only his fusion cannon. Its other attachments were planed to be released, but were scrapped as the line was eventually cancelled. He is a simplified version of his original toy, yet retains most of his articulation.

: A VS-X homage set was also released the same year, packed with a ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Optimus Prime figure.

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===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RMReverseConvoy_toy.jpg|right|thumb|My Convoy counterpart is nearby. Real nearby.]]
* '''Reverse Convoy (Rebirth Megatron)''' (Deluxe, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-24'''
: A [[retool]] of the Generation 2 Hero Megatron, Reverse Convoy features an all-new cannon, a new Convoy head (where Megatron's head used to be), and a new Megatron head that flips out from behind the cannon. The cannon fires a [[missile]] when the barrel is pulled back. The back of the cannon also detaches and can form a hand-held weapon.

:The original version of this mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Bludgeon (RID)|Bludgeon]].
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===Titanium===
*'''Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
[[Image:TitaniumGIJoeHeroesMegatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|THE BOX OF DOOM.]]

:The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first ''G.I. Joe'' crossover set in World War II. Since that Megatron's gun form was nonviable as a toy, a "tweaked-out" German Maus tank alternate mode was designed. The backstory of the Megatron from the crossover, including references to Cobra, was retained on the package, make it the first US figure ever produced as part of a ''G.I. Joe / TransFormers'' crossover.

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*'''War Within Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
[[Image:Megatrontitaniumtww.jpg|right|thumb|THE... NAP OF DOOM?]]

:A new Megatron Titanium based on his War Within design was shown at [[Botcon 2006]], and will be released in spring of 2007. Like the original comic book design, his robot mode will have a removeable arm cannon and shield, but unlike the original comic book design, his robot mode will transform into his robot mode at a different angle.

===Classics===
*'''Megatron''' (Voyager, 2006)
[[Image:Megatronclassicstoy.jpg|left|thumb|100px|Paint me black and give me to a kid, ASAP.]]

:This Megatron is a "fusion blaster" based loosely on the original Megatron toy and inspired by the Nerf N-Strike Maverick blaster. Its scope/arm cannon houses a working crosshairs and its trigger includes clicking action. In order to pass modern safety regulations (both the government's and Hasbro's), its blaster mode includes lots of purple and green, plus bright orange on both the tip of the "barrel" and the scope.

:Although some official Hasbro photographs, including those appearing on the toy's packaging, show the gun mode's trigger and other small parts as being orange, those parts were gray in later stock photography and the final release.

:In these above mentioned early promotional photographs, Megatron also had noticeably different "eyebrow" paint applications that matched those of the original Megatron toy. These were two small black triangles on a gray plastic forehead. The final release has the placement of the black reversed, with two small gray triangles and a black forehead, sometimes referred to as Megatron's "unibrow" by fans.

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[[Image:MegatronUltimateBattle.jpg|right|thumb|His arm can be either a cannon or a ... ski? A ''spinning'' ski!]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle''' (Deluxe versus set, 2006)

: The Megatron included in this two-pack is a tank inspired by the first Megatron toy from ''Generation 2''. Instead of a right hand, its arm ends in a blade with "spinning dervish action." He comes packaged with Optimus Prime and a "[[The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD.

:Many (all?) units of this figure come with Megatron's splayed feet assembled backwards, a fact which is not immediately apparent as the "heel" half of his feet are actually larger than the "toe" half (this is the opposite of most splay-footed transformers), and the situation is not helped by the promotional (exhibit A to your right) and box-art photography displaying an identically misassembled figure. However, examination of the instructions and any attempt to transform Megatron into tank mode immediately demonstrate the mistake, which is easily corrected by unscrewing the halves of his lower legs and reversing the foot pieces.

===Masterpiece===
[[Image:MasterpieceMegsBox.jpg|thumb|right|You will pay dearly for this...]]
*'''Megatron''' (2007)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-5'''

: Scaled to the same height as 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece Convoy, Masterpiece Megatron is designed to make a figure closely resembling Megatron's fairly non-[[Show-accuracy|toy-accurate]] original animation model actually able to transform into a realistic (if oversized) Walther P-38 altmode. Something which, on paper, should be impossible. This results in an ''incredibly'' complex transformation, likely making it one of the most elaborate ''Transformers'' toys to date.

[[Image:MasterpieceMegsBigAssCannon.jpg|thumb|left|Dude, I don't even need to ''fire'' this thing. I could, like, totally just bash you to death with it...]]

: Similar to Masterpiece Starscream, Megatron contains virtually zero die-cast, the only metal components being his feet and some structural rods (and not even as many as you'd expect). Combined with the fact that most of his parts are very thin in order to accommodate the intricacy of the transformation, this results in a comparatively light toy for its size.

: Megatron has the least articulation of the Masterpiece line, lacking the ability to pivot out at the shoulder by more than a small angle, and his head also cannot look upwards. The figure is completely incapable of rotating its arms sideways at the elbowes. Also, due to the fact that the fusion cannon is very large (being [[scale|scaled]] for a realistic gun mode sight), it butts into the gun mode barrel behind his right shoulder whenever his arm is raised at any angle other than sraight ahead.

: Accessories include Megatron's purple energy flail from ''[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]'', the lightsaber (referred to by Takara as an "energy dagger" for obvious legal reasons) used in his duel against Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Transformers: The Movie]]'', as well as the discarded laser pistol with which he subsequently kills him. Also included is a tiny translucent [[Kremzeek]] figure. His fusion cannon also contains a powerful red LED which casts a short-range spotlight when a button is pressed.

[[image:HLJplug.jpg|right|thumb|If you transformed into a gun, wouldn't plugging your barrel be the equivalent of castration?]]

: Due to updated realistic toy gun laws, a debate arose surrounding the Masterpiece Megatron toy. Many fans thought the toy would prove difficult to import into the United States. These fears lead to some online importers to modified the toys to comply with customs laws. Although initially believed that this would involve permanently painting both the sight and gunbarrel tips blaze orange or gluing on a large plug, final versions have been comparatively discreet. Manufactured by the individual importers, some retailers have elected to attach a rounded red plug into the barrel with "adhesive" (permanent?), while others have used a flat-tipped yellow plug that was apparently only temporarily secured with double-sided tape. Still other retailers chose not to modify the toys at all.

: Additionally, Australians have also had to deal with strict gun and gun replica laws. While some collectors have managed to recieve their Megatrons without incident, Australian Customs and the Federal Police have seized mass shipments and individual packages of the toy sent by certain online retailers, as they now classify ''Masterpiece'' Megatron as a gun replica.

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==Trivia==
[[Image:P-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Microman Megatron's concept model. Back then, he was a little less happy to see you.]]

[[Image:Earlymegatron.jpg|right|thumb|120px|The [[fusion cannon]]'s got that handle because... well, we're not sure.]]

* Early in the ''Transformers'' series preproduction, Megatron's look was based not on the toy, but on concept art for an unproduced prototype version. This early version, sporting a different, black head, a very different scope/fusion cannon, and the gun's barrel on his back, managed to make its way into not only early commercial animation and licensed material, but into the art of the early Marvel Comics. Though the model was altered before the animated series was produced, elements from the first model were perpetuated such as the back-mounted barrel in both the comic and the cartoon. The Marvel Comics continued to color Megatron's helmet black (well, blue) until the end of its run.

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* [[Bob Budiansky]] suggested the name "Megatron," but [[Hasbro]] initially rejected it, claiming that "mega" conjured images of nuclear bombs. Budiansky reminded them that the name was supposed to sound evil, because he's the leader of the badguys. Hasbro responded, "Oh, right," and then approved the name. <ref>[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/bbudiansky_2.php ASM: A Little Q&A with... Bob Budiansky]</ref>

* It seems no-one could get Megatron's box art right in Japan. His standard release used edited boxart from the standard Microchange P-38 toy's black deco, recolored to Megatron's US toy color scheme with shiny 'chrome' and red on his legs and arms instead of the Japanese toy's flat grey and blue. The VS-X art replaced the red with blue, but kept the 'chrome'. The art on the 'Goodbye Megatron' set used edited US boxart (which in turn was the Microchange P-38 UNCLE art with an added sigil) that replaced the red with blue, yet this toy used red plastic.

[[Image:Skywarpatron.jpg|left|thumb|150px|[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] really DID need close supervision.]]
* In a possible fit of madness, a triple changer was proposed that would switch between [[Skywarp]] (possibly mistaken for Starscream), Megatron, and Skywarp's jet mode.

[[Image:Megalvatron.jpg|right|thumb|150px|This toy IS a time paradox.]]
* In a slightly more sane attempt, another triple changer was proposed which would switch between Megatron, a very awkward [[Galvatron]], and a Walther P-38 handgun with added futuristic silencer and laser sight.

* According to [[Don Figueroa]], the mysterious clip on the back of 6" Titanium War Within Megatron was meant to carry the sword Megatron was depicted as using in the War Within. As in the comics, it would presumably have resembled the sword packaged with various versions of G1 Megatron. It may have been omitted due to cost concerns.

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==Footnotes==
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==External links==
* [http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Megatron Megatron's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Megatron (G1)

2007-04-27T12:42:01Z

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:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Megatrong1.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Baby, you know I don't mean to hurt you.]]

'''Megatron''' is (sometimes) the founder of the Decepticon uprising, and their most well-known and feared leader. As a young, charismatic leader forged in battle and the heritage of war, he began to believe in a grand purpose for his race -- it is the Transformers' glorious destiny to rule. He feels great contempt for other Transformers who, he feels, betray their proud heritage by demanding peace and cooperation with weaker life forms. It is the destiny of the Decepticons to bring order to the universe through conquest, though in the millions of years since coining this purpose it remains to be seen how much of his mission statement is altruistic... and how much of it is mere words built to fuel warriors to further his desire for personal power.

Megatron will attempt almost anything to achieve his goals, but his schemes are rarely in any way subtle. This is perhaps due to his arrogance, but his pride is not so strong as to dissuade him from abandoning a battle he is losing. Some would question his sanity, though these few are mostly now dead by his hands.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
''(Note: Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.)''

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelarmy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|No, not fascist at all.]]

Four million years ago, ''rising from his beginnings as a gladiator for the city-state of [[Tarn]],'' Megatron and the Decepticons developed the ability of transformation, using it to begin the war against the Autobots, who fought back by mimicking the technology. Megatron declared his intent to transform [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into a "cosmic dreadnought" to conquer the universe. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)|The Transformers}} ''However, he would only get as far as building massive engines deep beneath the planet's surface. {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!, Part 1}}''

Megatron also vowed to possess the planet's superdatabase, the [[Underbase]], for himself, so he followed a young Optimus Prime on his quest into the [[Temple of Knowledge]], where he destroyed the temple's curator, [[Boltax]]. In order to keep the Underbase out of Megatron's hands, Optimus Prime destroyed the temple and launched the Underbase into space. {{storylink|The Flames of Boltax!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1earlymarvel.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Check out my awesome preproduction model!]]

''After the death of [[Sentinel Prime]], Megatron's troops poised themselves around the Autobot capital city of [[Iacon]], slowly disintegrating its defenses. [[Emirate Xaaron]] chose [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], a warrior, to take the [[Council of Autobot Elders]]' place as leader of the Autobot forces. Optimus Prime and Megatron's armies then met in battle, and Megatron's forces were defeated - with help from an exploding bridge. {{storylink|And There Shall Come... A Leader!}}''

In time, the war grew so fierce that Cybertron itself was shaken from its orbit, and set adrift in the cosmos. Eventually, over a thousand years after Megatron's war had begun <ref>The length of the war is given as "over a thousand years" in [[The Transformers (comic issue)|Marvel Comics #1]], but it's said to be just a hundred years in Marvel UK's [[Legion of the Lost, Part 1]].</ref>, the planet fell into the path of an asteroid cluster in the Sol system that threatened to destroy it, and so Optimus Prime led a contingent of his troops in the Ark to reduce the asteroids to rubble, saving Cybertron. The plan was a success, but immediately afterwards, Megatron and his troops attacked, forcing Optimus Prime to crash the Ark into prehistoric Earth.

Four million years later, in 1984, the Transformers were reawakened, and Megatron immediately set about trying to locate a source of fuel for the Decepticons. Unable to ingest common Earth gasoline, the Decepticons kidnapped [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] and forced him to develop a conversion process. Megatron soon found his Decepticons and his base of operations under seige by the Autobot [[Gears]] and a strange superpowered human named [[Spider-Man]]. The pair escaped with Sparkplug, but not before he had managed to convert Earth fuel into usable energy.{{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelblackhole.jpg|thumb|left|150px|My god. He's full of stars.]]

''After an argument with Megatron, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] left their headquarters and set about on a plan to position himself above Megatron in the eyes of his comrades. [[Ravage]], sent by Megatron to spy on Starscream, was discovered overhearing Starscream's treachery, and so Starscream tried to eliminate the elusive jaguar. This enraged Megatron, who punished Starscream by having him duel the Autobot [[Brawn]]. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}} Soon, Megatron and the full fury of the Decepticons under his command, sieged the Ark itself, but his attack was stopped short by a malfunctioning [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system. Captured with Optimus Prime in a stasis field, Auntie's fatal intentions towards them prompted Megatron to activate his rarely-used ability to tap into the power of a black hole. This proved unnecessary after [[Ravage]] and [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] saved them, so Megatron moved to use his cosmic power on Prime - until Windcharger magnetically launched him out of the Ark and into the stratosphere. {{storylink|Raiders of the Lost Ark}}''

While Sparkplug was kidnapped, this had only afforded him the chance to poison their fuel, and the Decepticons were forcibly deactivated at the end of a climactic fight between the two factions. The Autobots were not saved, however, as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] suddenly arrived and defeated the Autobots with a single blast. He brought the Decepticons back online to serve him - including Megatron. Chafing under his command, Megatron battled Shockwave, but was soundly defeated.

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelhumiliation.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Get used to this, Megatron.]]

This forced Megatron him into an alliance with [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], who located and reactivated the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had defeated Shockwave in the past. However, Ratchet loosed them on Megatron, and was willing to sacrifice himself to knock Megatron off a cliff. While Ratchet survived, Megatron disappeared for some time.

Soon, however, Megatron re-emerged, trapped in pistol mode, his higher brain functions disconnected. Used as a weapon by wannabe gangster, [[Joey Slick]], Megatron eventually restored himself, and was impressed enough with Slick for standing up to him that he allowed him to live. But at this point, Megatron was desperately low on fuel, and attacked a coal mine, attempting to locate some, when he eventually completely ran out, and froze in place. He was soon located by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who brought him back online, and they subsequently entered into an alliance with the human [[Donny Finkleberg]], who used the alias of "Robot-Master" to con humankind into thinking the Transformers worked for him.

Shockwave and Megatron entered into a period of shared leadership, but when a two-pronged attack by the Autobots saw Megatron defeated by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], and Shockwave allowing the Autobots to capture the secrets of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], Megatron was able to spin the situation and reclaim his leadership.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltarget2006.jpg|left|thumb|250px|SPOILERS!]]

''A mysterious Decepticon called [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], along with his henchmen [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], entered the Decepticon camp and claimed he was the future Decepticon leader from the year 2006. Megatron found this preposterous, but though he tried to destroy the alleged imposter, he and Soundwave were buried under rubble by the powerful newcomers. Megatron was retrieved from the rubble by [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and he and the Autobots forged an uneasy alliance against Galvatron. This was still not enough, as Galvatron (who was revealed to be Megatron himself from the future) easily disposed of all of them, and was only deterred when he was tricked into believing he had travelled back in time to a past that would not become his own future. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

''Megatron summoned the [[Predacon]]s to Earth with the intention of having them hunt down Optimus Prime, but Shockwave used the opportunity to try and remove Megatron from the picture. After trailing Prime through a forest and bringing him to his knees, the Predacons turned on Megatron, blindsiding him, stealing his fusion cannon, and absconding. When Megatron came to, he continued hunting Prime, but when the Autobot leader attacked him, he summoned the [[space bridge]] in hopes of escaping to Cybertron, only for Prime to be transported with him. On Cybertron, Megatron established contact with local Decepticon commander Lord [[Straxus]], whose body had been destroyed by [[Blaster]], leaving him a head floating in a jar.''

''Straxus soon came to consider the irrational Megatron a liability and sought to dispose of him by transplating his mind into Megatron's body, giving him mobility again while trapping Megatron in his remains. Megatron resisted the transfer, however, and the process went awry, leaving both Straxus and Megatron's minds trapped in Megatron's body together. Outwardly, Megatron seemed to become more and more unstable as the two personalities inside him battled for control; when attacked by Prime and [[Ultra Magnus]], he even proved desperate enough to use his anti-matter manipulation powers, nearly destroying the entire Decepticon complex, until [[Ratbat]] activated the space bridge and sent him back to Earth. Straxus's consciousness fled Megatron's body, and Megatron himself was left with no memory of the whole affair.''

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltooclever.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yes, you're very smart. Shut up.]]

In order to attain possession of a new energy-generating device, the hydrothermacline, Megatron battled Optimus Prime in a video game duel, using a cheat code to continue the fight after he had lost. Prime defeated him again, but at the expense of some of the game's characters, and ruled himself the loser because he would not have committed such an act in real life. Prime was destroyed, and Megatron's elation soon turned into paranoia, as he had not killed Prime with his own hands, and believed he could still be alive. Bringing the Predacons ''back'' to Earth, Shockwave had them pose as Autobots and attack Megatron in another attempt to remove his threat, but the plan failed when the deranged Megatron defeated even [[Predaking]]. Believing (correctly, as it would turn out) that Prime's mind could have been preserved on computer disk, Megatron descended into outright insanity, and boarded the space bridge, vowing to go where Prime could not follow - right before he blew it up with his fusion cannon, apparently killing himself.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltwomegatrons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|buggabuggaWHA?]]

''Megatron's absence allowed a contingency plan arranged by Lord Straxus to be put into motion. In the event that his attempt to seize Megatron's body failed, Straxus had had a clone of Megatron created, complete with a copy of his brain patterns, into which his consciousness retreated following the previous debacle. Straxus lay dormant within the clone, which was activated following Megatron's seeming demise, and sent to Earth, to the sewers beneath [[London]]. There, the clone - believing itself to be the genuine article - battled the Autobots, [[G.I. Joe|Action Force]], and the mechanoid [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]], and wound up submerged in the Thames river.''

''Some time later, it was salvaged by Shockwave, who brainwashed it and unleashed it on [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], a recreated future version of Megatron who had traveled back in time from the year 2006 and posed a threat to Shockwave's leadership. The clone Megatron, however, saw a possible partner in Galvatron, and the two teamed up to battle Autobots and Decepticons from both present and future in the apocalyptic [[Time Wars]]. Subsequently, the clone returned to Cybertron, where it defeated the ruling Decepticon Triumvirate, but was then confronted with the ''real'' Megatron - ''the Spacebridge explosion had deposited him in the Dead End region of Cybertron, where he had wandered, with no recollection of who he was, until he had saved [[Blackjack|a Decepticon]] from Autobots and regained his memories.'' The clone Megatron subsequently destroyed itself to prevent Straxus, buried inside its mind, from taking over.''

[[Image:Megs_ratch.jpg|right|thumb|200px|As you can tell, the Marvel Comics weren't very good to Megatron.]]

While Megatron's [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]] created a diversion which pitted Optimus Prime's forces against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s, Megatron sent his [[Micromaster]] [[Sports Car Patrol]] to capture Ratchet from the Ark, bringing him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Threatening Ratchet with the destruction of the Ark and all of his patients aboard, Megatron forced him to recreate Starscream as a [[Pretender]]. Ratchet did so, but also restored [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in the same manner, thwarting his scheme, and also bringing the explosives on board the Ark through a [[trans-time dimensional portal]] into Megatron's base. When Megatron then attempted to flee through the portal, Ratchet tackled him as the Decepticon's base exploded around them, apparently killing them both. {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

Soon after, however, Autobot detective [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] discovered that the explosion had actually blown them through the portal, and he dispatched a probe to pull them back from the gaps between reality. However, when they rematerialised, it was revealed that the explosion had fused the two enemies together, into a hideous, twisted mockery of a being, which ran rampant through the Ark. The half that was Ratchet begged Optimus Prime to kill them, but Prime could not, and had the [[Micromaster]] [[Fixit]] separate their bodies. Unfortunately, Fixit could not separate their minds, as they were bonded at a molecular level; one could not survive without the other.

Their separated bodies lay in the Ark's medbay until Grimlock pumped them full of [[Nucleon]], though the revitalizing effect took some time to help Ratchet and Megatron come to. Megatron awoke to find [[Galvatron II]], another version of him from the future, wandering the halls of the Ark as it returned to Earth. Galvatron II, driven to insanity, initially tried to kill Megatron to purge the memory of him that haunted his mind. Megatron was in no state to comprehend what was going on around him, and began interpreting Galvatron II's blows as coming from Ratchet.

Though Galvatron II and Megatron eventually came to terms with each other while beating up Shockwave (he and Starscream had stolen the ship), vowing to join forces and take over the galaxy, Ratchet doomed them all by igniting the Ark's engines and spiralling the Autobot spacecraft into the Earth below. Megatron was presumed dead among the remains that constituted the crash site in northern [[Canada]]. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}}

=====Earthforce=====
''In an offshoot of the Marvel timeline following the restoration of the Autobots aboard the Ark with Nucleon, but before... uh ... ''(okay, see [[Earthforce]] for continuity notes, it's pretty complicated...)''

[[Image:Megs_earthforce.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The real culprit behind global warming.]]

''Somewhere in the [[Arizona]] desert, Megatron and the [[Constructicon]]s built a rocket that would launch into Earth's atmosphere and detonate, converting the atmosphere into [[energon]]. He was interrupted by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and though Megatron insisted they were too late to stop the rocket, {{storylink|Starting Over!}} Prowl rode the rocket into the atmosphere, and was able to destroy the satellite the rocket carried before it released its gas canisters. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Now that [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s [[Earthforce]] had installed itself to counter Megatron and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s Decepticons on Earth, the two leaders decided to hold a [[Bad Guy's Ball]] to foster unity. This event was sabotaged by the Earthforce, and once again, Megatron and Shockwave's respective groups were at each other's throats. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}}''

'''''(Note: The following three sections all split off from the end of the Generation 1 comic, but in three different, irreconcileable directions.)'''''

===="Another Time And Place" text story====
[[Image:Megatrong1anothertime.jpg|right|thumb|50px|Yuk!]]

Trapped in nontransforming Action Master bodies, Grimlock and the Dinobots snuck a shuttle to [[Hydrus Four]], where rumor had it a new, less destructive brand of [[Nucleon]] had been developed. However, the allegedly defeated Decepticons were waiting for just such a trip, and followed the Dinobots to the planet's surface, where they were ambushed and captured. Grimlock woke up to hear endless chants of "Megatron! Megatron! Megatron!" as technicians had strung up the late Decepticon leader's body, culled from his supposed doom on Earth, for repairs. Bludgeon would revive him, revive their fallen, and then the war would begin anew.

But Bludgeon wouldn't get the chance. The cavalry arrived, and Optimus Prime's Autobots quickly quelled the Decepticons' would-be resurgance. As Bludgeon was taken apart to pieces by a vicious repair spider, a partially-restored Megatron, a visual monstrocity, lunged half-alive at Grimlock and Optimus Prime. With a double-teamed punch, Megatron's undead corpse was easily defeated. The war was truly over. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}

====Generation 2====
[[Image:Megatrong2cobra.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Green with evil!]]

Although thought dead for a year or two, Megatron had actually survived the Ark crash (though his mental link with Ratchet was forgotten), and had quietly worked to repair it, concealing it beneath the ground. From there, Megatron tracked a signal, mistakenly believing it was another Transformer, but instead he found the shape-shifting castle of the terrorist organisation, [[Cobra]]. He entered into a bargain with its leaderder, [[Cobra Commander]], offering him the technology of the Ark in exchange for the new weapons his organization was developing. Reconstructed into a new tank body with a powerful rail gun, Megatron defeated a squad of Autobots sent to stop him, and then turned on Cobra, capturing the scientist who had developed his gun, [[Dr. Biggles-Jones|Doctor Biggles-Jones]] and escaping in the Ark.

Both [[Skydive (G1)|Skydive]] and [[Spike Witwicky]] had snuck on board, and following a clearly one-sided battle with Spike's [[Headmaster]] partner, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], Megatron was seemingly killed again when Fortress Maximus threw himself into the Ark's power core, destroying it once and for all. But Megatron (and a repaired Starscream) rejoined the Decepticons on Earth to challenge the current Decepticon leader, Bludgeon. Bludgeon was deposed, fatally, though Megatron continued many of the Pretender's ongoing projects, such as calling the attentions of Optimus Prime to Earth by indiscriminately rampaging across it. When Prime finally showed up, Megatron's old foe at first attempted to talk and join forces against the new threat of [[Jhiaxus]] and his [[Advanced-Decepticon]]s, but Megatron ignored him, ripped the [[Creation Matrix]] from his chest, and left to infuse a new generation of warriors with life. But after securing the galvanizing additive known as [[Rheanium]], his forces were bested by Jhiaxus.

[[Image:megatrong2idiot.jpg|thumb|300px|Megatron's getting a little too self-aware.]]

Megatron himself was humbled brutally in battle against Jhiaxus, so he entered into an alliance with the Autobots to "put their house in order." Conversely, they were betrayed by Starscream, who joined forces with Jhiaxus' troops, alerted Jhiaxus to the location of the Autobot/Decepticon camp on Earth, and then again betrayed both sides by using the opportunity to steal the Creation Matrix and Megatron's [[War World]]. Starscream, using the powers of the Matrix, fused himself with the War World, which gave Megatron and Optimus Prime great difficulty as they fought their way through its shifting insides. Ultimately, Starscream relinquished the Creation Matrix to Optimus Prime when it was discovered that the artifact was making him nice, allowing Megatron to load a ship with canisters of [[Rheanium]] gas and head back to Earth, where the [[Swarm]] was beginning its attack. Megatron arrived just in time to coat the remaining Transformers with the gas, which protected them from the Swarm long enough for Optimus Prime to defeat the Swarm with the Matrix. The Swarm departed, changed into a force for good, leaving both Autobot and Decepticon seemingly united for good.
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====Fun Publications ''Classics'' comics====

''(Note: The Classics comic takes place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a new timeline that does not include the events of the G2 mini.)''

[[Image:Megatronclassicscrossingover.jpg|left|thumb|175px|How's THIS for child safety!]]

Fifteen years had passed since Megatron supposedly died along with Shockwave, Starscream, and Ratchet when the Ark crashed violently into the Yukon. The defeated Decepticon army scattered, and the Autobots were able to return to a peaceful Cybertron.

Inexplicably, Megatron returned (in a new body) and once again stalked the Earth, rallying the remaining Decepticons to him. Eventually, Megatron, roaming free, stumbled across [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] and [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], who had travelled from [[Unicron Trilogy|their universe]] in a fantastic energon/forcefield explosion, but his evil intentions for them were interrupted by human-piloted [[Armored Robot Hunters]] and subsequently a small team of Autobots led by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}}
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===Animated continuity===

====Generation 1 cartoon====

:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Seizō Katō]] (Japan)<br>

[[Image:G1Megatron-LD.jpg|left|thumb|Megatron has no nostrils.]]

Following a war between the Decepticons and the other robot race, the [[Autobot|Autobots]], the Decepticons were defeated by the Autobots' invention of transformation, which allowed them the advantage of stealth. The Autobot victory in the war began the [[Golden Age of Cybertron]], but a viper lurked within this paradise. Eventually, Decepticons too developed transformation, leading to the creation of Megatron by the [[Constructicon]]s. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4|FFOD, Part 4}}

Gathering a small number of troops together, Megatron made a small strike on an outer city, killing the current Autobot leader. Megatron used a device called the [[Robosmasher]] to permanently reprogram Autobots and Decepticons into servitude of his cause, thus swelling the Decepticon ranks into a proper army. Among the robots forced into servitude were the Constructicons. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

However, these events were not made public knowledge, and young robots like the naive [[Orion Pax (G1)|Orion Pax]] still looked up to Megatron and his followers because of their new robot-mode flight powers. However, Pax soon learned the error of his ways when Megatron duped him into allowing him access to [[Energon]] warehouses, and Megatron fatally injured him in a scuffle. However, the ancient Autobot, [[Alpha Trion]], reconstructed Pax into a battle hardy configuration - now, he was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], leader of the Autobots and Megatron's sworn opponent as the civil war erupted again. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

[[Image:G1Megatron-Flail.jpg|right|thumb|Megatron and his energy flail/mace/morning star/thingamajig.]]

Eventually, the war drained Cybertron of most of its energy, necessitating that both factions seek out new worlds and new sources of power. Megatron and his elite forces pursued the Autobots' craft, (referred to as the [[Ark|The Ark]] in Beast Wars, following the ship's name from the G1 Marvel Comics) in their star cruiser (referred to as the [[Nemesis]] in Beast Wars) and attacked and boarded the craft, causing it to crash on a prehistoric planet, entombing all on the ship in emergency stasis as it crashed into a dormant volcano. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1|MTMTE, Part 1}}

Four million years later, a volcanic eruption reactivated the Transformers and the war began again on the energy-rich world they found themselves on; Earth. After their first series of battles, the Autobots believed Megatron and the Decepticons destroyed when their new space cruiser crashed into the [[Pacific Ocean]], but in reality they survived and reconstructed the cruiser to serve as a sub-oceanic staging base and bunker. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2|MTMTE, Part 2}}

Megatron re-established contact with Cybertron, and began construction of an intergalactic transport system called a "space bridge," although the early tests nearly resulted in his destruction when he was sucked into the portal and teleported to Cybertron. The technology was eventually stabilised, however, and used in a grand scheme to transport Cybertron through space into Earth's orbit, where the natural disasters its gravity wreaked created tremendous energy that Megatron and the Decepticons gathered. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}}

The Earth was saved, however, when Megatron's stockpiles of energy were detonated by the Autobots, the explosion forcing Cybertron out of orbit. Again, however, Megatron was able to cheat death, and was forced to team up with Optimus Prime in order to stop the machinations of his treacherous lieutenant, [[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction}}

In his next scheme, Megatron absorbed all the separate powers of the other Decepticons into himself, and challenged Optimus Prime to one-on-one combat. With the added abilities of all his minions, Megatron easily defeated Prime in the battle, but when his deception was revealed, he and his followers were defeated in a group attack. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

Over the following years, Megatron's schemes to obtain Earth's energies continued. His assorted plans included various attempts to harness the power of Earth's core, thefts of several unstable energy devices from human scientists, the draining of energy from a time-lost prehistoric island, and partnership with a human politician that allowed him to force the Autobots off of Earth, and actually allowed him to conquer [[Central City (G1)|Central City]] among [[Giant Purple Griffin|many]], many others. {{storylink|The Core}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} {{storylink|Aerial Assualt}}

====Transformers the Movie (1986)====

Eventually, however, Megatron turned his attention away from Earth, and succeeded in completely conquering Cybertron by the Earth year 2005. Learning the Autobots were preparing a strike against the planet, Megatron and the Decepticons intercepted the shuttle sent to Earth to acquire energy to power the raid, and unleashed a mighty assault on [[Autobot City]]. In the course of the conflict, word was sent to Optimus Prime, who arrived the following morning after the slaughter and confronted Megatron in another one-on-one struggle. Megatron appeared beaten, but spying a discarded pistol, stalled for time by pleading for mercy as he attempted to reach it. The young Autobot Hot Rod then intervened, tackling Megatron, but amazingly, one of the most powerful Decepticon was too much for him, seizing him and using him as shield as he grabbed the pistol and opened fire on Prime. Funny that. The wounds were fatal and sent Prime to the grave - but not before he delivered his own final blow to Megatron, seriously damaging him and forcing the Decepticons to flee.

On the return trip to Cybertron, it became necessary to jettison excess mass, or the Decepticons would be unable to reach the planet. The wounded Decepticons were voted out, and set adrift in space, including Megatron. But this was not to be the end for the great slag-maker, as the world-devourer, [[Unicron]], found him and recreated him into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

====Fight! Super Robot Life Transformers manga (Japan-only)====

Between the second season and ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Movie]]'', Megatron shifted the focus of his energy plundering schemes to the energy-rich [[Japan]]. His many schemes, including attacking with the [[Seeker]]s and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and turning himself into the [[Super Megatron Gun]], were thwarted by the Autobots and their new human ally, [[Kenji]]. His one major success, however, was sending [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector]] to steal secrets from [[Scramble City]] which he used to build [[Trypticon]].

====Scramble City OVA (Japan-only)====

Hoping to thwart the construction of [[Scramble City]], Megatron sent his entire army of [[combiner]]s to the city's secret location (which had been discovered by [[Ratbat]]). The Autobots struggled to fight off Megatron's combiner army until [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] activated Scramble City and sent in [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], who fought the Decepticons off. Megatron then revealed his trumpcard: Trypticon.

====The Transformer manga (Japan-only)====

After the events of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and ''[[Five Faces of Darkness]]'', Galvatron attempted to destroy the Autobots with a legion of Megatron clones dubbed [[Megatron Military|"The Megatron Military"]]. Each clone was equipped with its own unique fusion cannon and were capable of combining the blasts into an intense attack. As a unified force, the Megatron Military crushed [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. Their victory was assured until Rodimus managed to deduce that the Megatron Military was being controlled by Galvatron. As it turned out, Galvatron was actually disguised as one of the Megatron clones. Once Rodimus defeated Galvatron, all the Megatron clones lost power and were easily vanquished.

====''Robot Masters'' (Japan)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Jirō Saitō]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Rmrebirthmegatron.JPG|thumb|HAH! I fooled you for all of five seconds!]]

In the exclusive Japanese toyline, ''[[Transformers: Robot Masters]],'' whose story began in the timeline of the G1 animated series, but branched off at some point in the twenty-year interim between seasons 2 and 3, Megatron was lost in an undisclosed accident, leaving his time-displaced ''Beast Wars'' descendant to take his place as Decepticon leader (the toyline applied the qualifying titles of "G1 Megatron" and "Beast Megatron" to the characters to distinguish them). As events progressed, it was revealed that G1 Megatron's consciousness took possession of the body of a "Convoy" (an Autobot leader) known as [[Reverse Convoy]], leader of the planet [[Vehicon_(planet)|Vehicon]], via an inter-dimensional uplink to a black hole, and then used it to pose as an ally to the Autobots, only to betray them by revealing himself as the aptly-named "Rebirth Megatron."

====Battlestars: Return of Convoy'' (Japan-only)====
[[Image:Supermeg.jpg|left|thumb|Super Megatron transforms into a "spaceship"]]

''(Note: With his transformation into Galvatron, Megatron departed from the animated continuity, until five years later, in the Japanese-exclusive storyline, ''Battlestars: The Return of Convoy'', which, although not animated itself (told instead through one chapter of [[manga]] and several [[story page]]s), continues the tale of the cartoon universe.)''

In the previous Japanese-exclusive animated series, ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'', Galvatron had been apparently destroyed when he was buried on an iceberg. In the ''Return of Convoy'' storyline, a new evil force named [[Dark Nova]] recovered Galvatron's body, and restored him to life as '''Super Megatron''', pitting him against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Battlestars: Return of Convoy (Japan-only)|Star Convoy]] (the reborn Optimus Prime) and his Autobots. Super Megatron didn't fare too well against his old adversary and was swiftly defeated. Dark Nova then upgraded him into '''Ultra Megatron''' who had a similar success rate.

For the final battle, Dark Nova merged with the remains of Ultra Megatron and formed the massive [[Dark Nova|Star Giant]]. Star Giant was virtually invincible from the outside, so Star Convoy, [[Grandus]] and [[Sky Garry]] traveled inside his body and began tearing up the joint. As soon as they'd inflicted enough damage, the trio escaped just as Star Giant detonated, leaving only his head some-what intact. Fortunately for Megatron, his body was stored within the head, allowing him to survive the explosion.

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====Generation 2 manga (Japan-only)====

[[Image:JapG2Meg.jpg|right|250px|thumb|He hasn't lost his nack for monologuing in his old age]]

After [[Battlestars]], Megatron recovered from the Star Giant incident and returned to his original body. Appearing to have discarded his evil ways, he joined with Optimus Prime to form the [[Cybertron Alliance]] and ushered in the Second Generation of Transformers. However, after human soldiers killed one of his dearest comrades, he adopted a new body and began the war anew.

Megatron coordinated an onslaught of attacks which mortally wounded Optimus Prime (who had adopted a new missile trailer mode to counter Megatron). Megatron then delivered the fatal blow, personally, and believed his enemy dead. Killing Optimus Prime wasn't so easy, as the [[spark|sparks]] of the previous Autobot Supreme Commanders within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] used the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] to transform Optimus into Battle Convoy. The fight raged on for a while until Prime managed to drive the Decepticon forces to retreat into outer space.

=====Generation 2: "The Earth is in Danger!"=====

''(Note: this manga special is '''not''' in continuity with the Japanese G2 story pages and minicomics.)''

In the year 199X, the Decepticons had learned of a powerful new energy source known as [[forestonite]] which just happened to be located (surprise surprise) on [[Earth]]. Megatron sent his trio of [[Cyberjet]]s to Earth first to draw out the enemy Autobots. The Cyberjets made quick work of [[Electro]] but were soon halted by the appearance of Optimus Prime.

Megatron then entered the fray and fired his Black Hole Burn attack from his fusion cannon, narrowly missing Optimus Prime but vaporizing [[Hooligan]] in the process. Prime fought fiercely but Megatron began to take the upper-hand in battle.

However, Prime was encouraged to keep fighting by the cheers of a human boy named [[Junpei]]. Megatron, surprised at Prime's resiliance, attempted to finish his foe off with his Tornado Axe attack. Prime countered with his Double Wheel-Torque Mega-Ton, which trumped Megatron's attack and injured the Decepticon badly. Megatron teleported back to his ship and left Earth's atmosphere, vowing to return.

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===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books continuity===
:''Voice actor: Earl Hammond(?)''

In ''[[When Continents Collide]]'', Megatron calls Soundwave a "blundering tape-filled idiot." This is notable because it is hilarious. Also, Megatron totally sounds like "Mumm-Ra" from ''Thundercats''. This version of Megatron also has an odd obsession with drills, mole machines, and other burrowing devices, as he uses them frequently in his plans for energy gathering and conquest.

===Marvel Books Big Looker Storybook continuity===

[[Image:KidsCliff1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|MTV pimps Megatron's ride.]]

In ''[[The Great Car Rally]]'', a bunch of humans set up a race for charity. The victor would received a year's supply of oil and gasoline. Well, the Decepticons desperately wanted that bounty, so rather than just steal it, they decided to sneak into the race. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] was one of the Autobots driving in the rally and was unaware that the scary black Cadillac was actually being driven by Megatron! Megatron dogged Cliffjumper for quite a while but ended up losing to the Minibot. Cliffjumper won the race and everybody smiled, even Optimus Prime

Frighteningly.
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Megatrong1gladiator.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Gladiators can afford extra paint applications.]]

Young Megatron was a gladiatorial combatant in the depths of [[Cybertron_(planet)|Cybertron]]’s underworld. As victory upon victory mounted, he began to realize that the games were nothing more than an elaborate conspiracy by the [[Council of Ancients]] to divert the attentions of the masses from the dangerous truth of Cybertron’s history. When Megatron began to show interest in Cybertron's buried past through exploration and research, the Council of Ancients attempted to have him assassinated - a plan that only resulted in stirring up even more discontent among Cybertronians, allowing Megatron to begin recruiting for the Decepticon movement.

First his "inner circle," then many of the gladiators, and then finally disgruntled civilians answered his call to action. The Decepticons were born. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

[[Image:Fledglingcause.jpg|left|thumb|350px|Megatron is so grass-roots.]]

Megatron's forces began a civil war of Autobot against Decepticon in order to mask his reactivation of the ancient planetary engines buried beneath Cybertron’s surface. As a result, Cybertron would be transformed into a massive warworld that would cut a swathe of destruction through the galaxy. This plan failed. During a conflict with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron's lieutenant [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] activated the planet mechaforming process too soon, resulting in the destruction of the machinery.

Roughly 7.4 million years BCE, Megatron and Optimus Prime disappeared in an early test of the then-unstable [[Space Bridge]] matter-transport system. Spending an undisclosed time on the planet [[Quintessa]], Megatron returned with an overwhelming army of lifeless [[Air Warrior|seeker clones]], quickly subjugating Cybertron. ''(This story was never finished due to the closure of Dreamwave, though the seekers and presumably Megatron as well were eventually defeated.)''

Four million years BCE, Cybertron was threatened by a massive approaching asteroid, so Optimus Prime led a contingent of Autobots aboard the [[Ark]] to blow the rock to fragments, which were transported away by an orbital Space Bridge network. When this task was completed, Megatron chose this moment to strike, attacking the Ark with his troops. Crippled, the craft flew through one of the Space Bridge portals, and was transported to prehistoric Earth, where it crashed, entombing the occupants in stasis for four million years.

The Autobots and Decepticons were reactivated in 1984, but specific details of the battles were unrecorded until 1999, when a Autobot/Human military alliance succeeded in capturing and deactivating the Decepticons. However, the [[Ark II]] spaceship carrying them back to Cybertron exploded shortly after liftoff, and the Transformers were believed destroyed. In actuality, they had been scattered back to Earth, where they lay in [[stasis lock]] across the globe for three years. This slumber was brought to an end when [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]] (aka Lazarus), a rogue military scientist who had devised a method of controlling Transformers, salvaged many of the fallen Cybertronians and reprogrammed them as mass killing machines, which he then attempted to sell on the black market. Megatron was first to break free of the human's control, overriding the new programming and capturing Lazarus during an auction. Megatron forced Lazarus to watch as he unleashed a technorganic virus designed to transform all of Earth into a new Cybertron. It also served to lure Optimus Prime and the Autobots, also now reactivated, to his location. Megatron, tired of the war, continuously asked Prime to join him. After his first failed attempt, Megatron unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on [[San Francisco]], ensuing in mass slaughter, in an attempt to show Prime the humans were not worth fighting for. However, the selfless sacrifice of several firemen restored Prime's faith in humanity and allowed him and the Autobots to beat back Megatron.

Several months later. Megatron was subliminally summoned to a remote area in Alaska along with the other Earthbound Transformers. There they battled until Megatron's former second-in-command, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], arrived and revealed that in their absence the war on Cybertron had ended. He arrested Megatron, Prime, and their troops as war criminals. Megatron, weakened by battle, was quickly defeated by Shockwave and loaded aboard his shuttle for return to Cybertron, only to have Starscream seize the opportunity by jettisoning him into space on the return trip. Megatron used the time floating in space to contemplate his existence and the Decepticon goal. Realizing that he had wasted millennia in his feud with Prime, Megatron resolved to once again conquer Cybertron as a means of enhancing the Transformer race and strengthening it from outside threats. It seemed as through he would not live to accomplish this goal, however, as death closed in on him... only for him to be retrieved by the [[Junkion]] [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. Wreck-Gar took Megatron to the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and repaired and re-armed him, as well as digging up and reactivating a number of seeker clones that had wound up there after being dumped through space bridge portals. Megatron returned the favor by stabbing him in the back with an energy dagger.

Traveling to the Planet [[Beest]], Megatron defeated the exiled Decepticon warlords, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], and rebuilt them into the mightiest of all combiners, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], to serve as his ace in the hole in his quest to reclaim leadership of the Decepticons. Moving in stealth on Cybertron, Megatron defeated Shockwave, severing his laser arm and forcing him into servitude. He then returned to Earth to collect the remaining Decepticons under Starscream's command, and to teach Starscream a lesson long in coming.

''While it was alluded that Megatron had a grand goal in mind that also included the subjugation of the [[Quintessons]], the remainder of the story has yet to be told due to the closure of Dreamwave. However it has been stated by representatives of IDW publishing, the current holders of the Transformer comic license, that once Dreamwave has exited bankruptcy court, they intend to finish the story.''

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=== IDW comics continuity ===
[[Image:Megatrong1idwpreearth.jpg|left|thumb|150px|700 years ago, his helmet was black, but now it's gray. The difference time makes, huh?]]

The war between Megatron's Decepticons and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots was so great that it created an impending energy crisis and threatened the stability of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] left Cybertron, secretly pursuing alternate energy sources, Megatron asked [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to investigate his files. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}

Later, a Decepticon scientist, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], came to Megatron with a revolutionary, controversial plan to stave off this energy death by encasing themselves in "symbiotic carapaces," or shells created from living tissue. When Megatron dismissed him angrily and cut him down, Thunderwing did not abandon his research and instead experimented on himself. As a result, this made Thunderwing so powerful that Megatron had to join forces with Optimus Prime to stop him. This battle on [[Thunderhead Pass]] accelerated the apocalyse destined to befall Cybertron, leaving it an uninhabitable, radioactive husk and forcing both armies to continue their war on other worlds.

[[Image:Megatrong1idwgunbody.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I ''also'' wonder.]]

Seven hundred years later, in current times, it was discovered that Bludgeon had, as a result of digging through Shockwave's files, resurrected Thunderwing's dangerous project. Megatron ordered [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]], in a ship orbiting Cybertron, to obliterate the planet if absolutely necessary. However, Optimus Prime and the [[Wreckers]] were able to thwart both Bludgeon and a reanimated Thunderwing, and so destruction of the planet was averted. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

Megatron, meanwhile, was on Earth, investigating Starscream's infiltration team. He discovered that Starscream had stumbled across [[Ore-13]], an incredible energy source which had been [[Spotlight: Shockwave|mysteriously seeded there]], and that the Air Commander was planning to use it to usurp Megatron's command. After seriously damaging the hesitantly rebellious [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Blitzwing]], Megatron faced a super-powered Starscream. Though the Ore-13 made Starscream a formidable adversary, Megatron was still more deadly than he, and Starscream was destroyed; whether he can be restored is still unknown. {{storylink|Infiltration}}

Megatron took stock of Starscream's progress on Earth, in light of the discovery of Ore-13, repaired Skywarp and Blitzwing, and made Starscream's former troops aware, in no uncertain terms, that any further insurrections would be met with deadly force. But instead of leaving Earth in the hands of a new commander, Megatron stayed to guide into the second stage of the Decepticons' plans, wishing to try out his new Earth-inspired handgun [[altmode]]. {{storylink|Escalation}}

He then uses Ore-13's power for fancy [[size changing|mass-displacement technology]] and turns into a pistol [[Scale|for use in human hands]], proclaiming himself to be the most powerful living weapon in the universe. Or maybe he just wants to be held.
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===''Beast Wars''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Garry Chalk]] (US)

The original Megatron made three appearances (four if you count the scene removed from "Nemesis") in the Beast Wars TV series. He first appeared in a flashback in "The Agenda" inscribing a message on the [[Golden Disk]]. His second apperence, also from "Agenda", was in the message itself. The third apperence, in "Master Blaster", Megatron was shown offline in the [[Ark]] as [[Megatron (BW)]] takes his spark. A fourth apperence, which showed [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] returning the Decepticon leader's spark to his body, was removed because of time constraints but was included as an easter egg in [[Kid Rhino|Rhino's]] Beast Wars Season 3 box set.

Also, in Hasbro/Kenner's original plans, Beast Wars Megatron (Basic and Ultra forms) was supposed to be Generation 1 Megatron in a new body, which is supported by the tech specs.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Megatron''' (Decepticon Leader, 1984, 2001, 2002)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''16'''
[[Image:G1Megatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|This photo needs an orange cap or someone might shoot the wiki.]]

: Megatron was released in 1984 as part of the first year of the ''Transformers'' line in the United States. It transformed into a Walther P-38 pistol, as seen in the popular 1960s spy television series ''The Man from U.N.C.L.E.'', with attachments. It was originally released in [[Takara]]'s [[Microman]] toyline as "MC13 Gun Robo - P38 U.N.C.L.E." The Japanese release didn't come with the attachments. While the American release was chrome and red, the Japanese release was flat grey and blue (one of the Microman decos for the standard P-38).

: In 1986, Megatron was made available as a mail-away item (since he was theoretically no longer shipping to retail shelves) in the [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]] flier packed in with boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $21.50 and five [[robot points]].

: The flat grey and blue deco Megatron was also used in the Japanese VS-X giftset with Optimus Prime.

:It was again released in grey and blue with Starscream in the Good-Bye Megatron set. This time, it came with his fusion cannon.

:In 2001, Megatron was reissued in Japan, and came with all of the American and Japanese accessories. A black redeco (the other standard P-38 Microman deco) was released the same year as a BotCon Japan exclusive.

:Megatron was again reissued in 2002 in Takara's Transformer Collection series. This release was identical to the previous reissue, but came with the mace used in the episode "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]", a sheet of Decepticon stickers, and a Decepticon mouse pad.

*'''Galvatron''' (Decepticon City Commander, 1986)
:''See [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]''

*'''Megatron (Action Master)''' (1990)
[[Image:AMMegatron_toy.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Megatron, now with purple.]]

:Megatron returned as an ''[[Action Master]]'' in 1990, and as with most ''Action Master'' figures, he could not transform. His sculpt was based heavily upon the Megatron's animation model design. He came packaged with the [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]], a large tank vehicle whose hull could transform into a base/gun emplacement, with the turret forming a flight pod.

===Generation 2===
*'''Megatron''' (1992)
[[Image:G2Megatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|G2 Megatron is always ready for tank combat in one of Earth's many green and purple jungles.]]

: Owing to the inability of Hasbro to re-release the original Megatron because that toy was a pistol, ''Generation 2'' Megatron was released in 1992 as a large green M1A1 Abrams main battle tank. His main gimmick was a 'lock and load' cannon that can load most of his projectile ammunition, and then fire them one at a time. This was accompanied by electronic sounds (including engine, laser and cannon sound effects) and [http://www.supload.com/sound_confirm.php?get=894768596.wav a voice chip].

: In robot mode, Megatron is by the standards of the time, a very large robot, towering over all ''Generation 2'' incarnations of Optimus Prime. He legs were immobile, but he had upper shoulder rotation and elbow joints. His left arm, when raised, activates a laser sound. Pressing down on his head activates his battlecry '''"Megatron Attack!"'''. His main cannon still functions in this mode.

*'''Hero Megatron''' (1995)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-2'''
[[Image:R_heromegatron016.jpg|right|thumb|90px|By this point, the purple had almost completely taken over his body.]]

:Megatron was released again the following year as "Hero" Megatron: a smaller, but similarly styled tank based off the M1 Abrams. This Megatron was purple and came with a bellows that fired an air-propelled missile.

: Hero Megatron was designed with articulation in mind, so he was loaded with ball joints and multiple swivel joints, giving him far greater movement compared to his original ''Generation 2'' toy.

: This toy was released in Europe, sans the "MEGATRON RULES" sticker, as [[Archforce]].
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*'''Megatron''' (Go-Bot, 1995)

: Megatron was released in a third form, "Go-Bot" Megatron. This was a minor repaint of the previously released [[Blowout (G2)|Blowout]] mold, substituting silver for transparent gray plastic.

: In Japan, his hood was tampographed with a stylised T, with the Transformers logo set within.

*Unreleased
:In addition to these, Megatron had a few unreleased toys in the G2 line. The first was the Megatron ATB (with Starscream), a recolor of the [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] mold. The Beast Wars II [[BB]] and [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]] used the same deco, but had diffrent stickers. A second toy was a recolor of the Hero mold in a grey deco with black camoflauge stripes. The third toy was the flip changer used in 1997 as [[Machine Wars]] Megatron and [[Megaplex (MW)]].

===Machine Wars===
* '''Megatron''' (1997)
[[Image:MWMegatron_toy.jpg|right|thumb|And that's why Thundercracker turned green.]]

: This toy was redecoed from an unreleased Generation 2 flipchanger Megatron.
: Oddly, all on-package art and pictures show Megatron as a grey jet with [[Megaplex]] as the blue jet, the opposite of the actual toys. Like most other toys in the line, the boxart was recycled from an earlier figure, in this case from the [[Predator]] [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]].

===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
*'''Megatron''' (2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF 07'''
[[Image:STFMegatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|Not 20th Anniversary [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] gun.]]

: ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Megatron was released in 2004, coming with only his fusion cannon. Its other attachments were planed to be released, but were scrapped as the line was eventually cancelled. He is a simplified version of his original toy, yet retains most of his articulation.

: A VS-X homage set was also released the same year, packed with a ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Optimus Prime figure.

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===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RMReverseConvoy_toy.jpg|right|thumb|My Convoy counterpart is nearby. Real nearby.]]
* '''Reverse Convoy (Rebirth Megatron)''' (Deluxe, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-24'''
: A [[retool]] of the Generation 2 Hero Megatron, Reverse Convoy features an all-new cannon, a new Convoy head (where Megatron's head used to be), and a new Megatron head that flips out from behind the cannon. The cannon fires a [[missile]] when the barrel is pulled back. The back of the cannon also detaches and can form a hand-held weapon.

:The original version of this mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Bludgeon (RID)|Bludgeon]].
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===Titanium===
*'''Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
[[Image:TitaniumGIJoeHeroesMegatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|THE BOX OF DOOM.]]

:The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first ''G.I. Joe'' crossover set in World War II. Since that Megatron's gun form was nonviable as a toy, a "tweaked-out" German Maus tank alternate mode was designed. The backstory of the Megatron from the crossover, including references to Cobra, was retained on the package, make it the first US figure ever produced as part of a ''G.I. Joe / TransFormers'' crossover.

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*'''War Within Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
[[Image:Megatrontitaniumtww.jpg|right|thumb|THE... NAP OF DOOM?]]

:A new Megatron Titanium based on his War Within design was shown at [[Botcon 2006]], and will be released in spring of 2007. Like the original comic book design, his robot mode will have a removeable arm cannon and shield, but unlike the original comic book design, his robot mode will transform into his robot mode at a different angle.

===Classics===
*'''Megatron''' (Voyager, 2006)
[[Image:Megatronclassicstoy.jpg|left|thumb|100px|Paint me black and give me to a kid, ASAP.]]

:This Megatron is a "fusion blaster" based loosely on the original Megatron toy and inspired by the Nerf N-Strike Maverick blaster. Its scope/arm cannon houses a working crosshairs and its trigger includes clicking action. In order to pass modern safety regulations (both the government's and Hasbro's), its blaster mode includes lots of purple and green, plus bright orange on both the tip of the "barrel" and the scope.

:Although some official Hasbro photographs, including those appearing on the toy's packaging, show the gun mode's trigger and other small parts as being orange, those parts were gray in later stock photography and the final release.

:In these above mentioned early promotional photographs, Megatron also had noticeably different "eyebrow" paint applications that matched those of the original Megatron toy. These were two small black triangles on a gray plastic forehead. The final release has the placement of the black reversed, with two small gray triangles and a black forehead, sometimes referred to as Megatron's "unibrow" by fans.

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[[Image:MegatronUltimateBattle.jpg|right|thumb|His arm can be either a cannon or a ... ski? A ''spinning'' ski!]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle''' (Deluxe versus set, 2006)

: The Megatron included in this two-pack is a tank inspired by the first Megatron toy from ''Generation 2''. Instead of a right hand, its arm ends in a blade with "spinning dervish action." He comes packaged with Optimus Prime and a "[[The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD.

:Many (all?) units of this figure come with Megatron's splayed feet assembled backwards, a fact which is not immediately apparent as the "heel" half of his feet are actually larger than the "toe" half (this is the opposite of most splay-footed transformers), and the situation is not helped by the promotional (exhibit A to your right) and box-art photography displaying an identically misassembled figure. However, examination of the instructions and any attempt to transform Megatron into tank mode immediately demonstrate the mistake, which is easily corrected by unscrewing the halves of his lower legs and reversing the foot pieces.

===Masterpiece===
[[Image:MasterpieceMegsBox.jpg|thumb|right|You will pay dearly for this...]]
*'''Megatron''' (2007)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-5'''

: Scaled to the same height as 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece Convoy, Masterpiece Megatron is designed to make a figure closely resembling Megatron's fairly non-[[Show-accuracy|toy-accurate]] original animation model actually able to transform into a realistic (if oversized) Walther P-38 altmode. Something which, on paper, should be impossible. This results in an ''incredibly'' complex transformation, likely making it one of the most elaborate ''Transformers'' toys to date.

[[Image:MasterpieceMegsBigAssCannon.jpg|thumb|left|Dude, I don't even need to ''fire'' this thing. I could, like, totally just bash you to death with it...]]

: Similar to Masterpiece Starscream, Megatron contains virtually zero die-cast, the only metal components being his feet and some structural rods (and not even as many as you'd expect). Combined with the fact that most of his parts are very thin in order to accommodate the intricacy of the transformation, this results in a comparatively light toy for its size.

: Megatron has the least articulation of the Masterpiece line, lacking the ability to pivot out at the shoulder by more than a small angle, and his head also cannot look upwards. The figure is completely incapable of rotating its arms sideways at the elbowes. Also, due to the fact that the fusion cannon is large (being [[scale|scaled]] for a realistic gun mode sight), it butts into the gun mode barrel behind his right shoulder whenever his arm is raised other than sraight ahead.

: Accessories include Megatron's purple energy flail from ''[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]'', the lightsaber (referred to by Takara as an "energy dagger" for obvious legal reasons) used in his duel against Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Transformers: The Movie]]'', as well as the discarded laser pistol with which he subsequently kills him. Also included is a tiny translucent [[Kremzeek]] figure. His fusion cannon also contains a powerful red LED which casts a short-range spotlight when a button is pressed.

[[image:HLJplug.jpg|right|thumb|If you transformed into a gun, wouldn't plugging your barrel be the equivalent of castration?]]

: Due to updated realistic toy gun laws, a debate arose surrounding the Masterpiece Megatron toy. Many fans thought the toy would prove difficult to import into the United States. These fears lead to some online importers to modified the toys to comply with customs laws. Although initially believed that this would involve permanently painting both the sight and gunbarrel tips blaze orange or gluing on a large plug, final versions have been comparatively discreet. Manufactured by the individual importers, some retailers have elected to attach a rounded red plug into the barrel with "adhesive" (permanent?), while others have used a flat-tipped yellow plug that was apparently only temporarily secured with double-sided tape. Still other retailers chose not to modify the toys at all.

: Additionally, Australians have also had to deal with strict gun and gun replica laws. While some collectors have managed to recieve their Megatrons without incident, Australian Customs and the Federal Police have seized mass shipments and individual packages of the toy sent by certain online retailers, as they now classify ''Masterpiece'' Megatron as a gun replica.

===Merchandise===

==Trivia==
[[Image:P-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Microman Megatron's concept model. Back then, he was a little less happy to see you.]]

[[Image:Earlymegatron.jpg|right|thumb|120px|The [[fusion cannon]]'s got that handle because... well, we're not sure.]]

* Early in the ''Transformers'' series preproduction, Megatron's look was based not on the toy, but on concept art for an unproduced prototype version. This early version, sporting a different, black head, a very different scope/fusion cannon, and the gun's barrel on his back, managed to make its way into not only early commercial animation and licensed material, but into the art of the early Marvel Comics. Though the model was altered before the animated series was produced, elements from the first model were perpetuated such as the back-mounted barrel in both the comic and the cartoon. The Marvel Comics continued to color Megatron's helmet black (well, blue) until the end of its run.

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* [[Bob Budiansky]] suggested the name "Megatron," but [[Hasbro]] initially rejected it, claiming that "mega" conjured images of nuclear bombs. Budiansky reminded them that the name was supposed to sound evil, because he's the leader of the badguys. Hasbro responded, "Oh, right," and then approved the name. <ref>[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/bbudiansky_2.php ASM: A Little Q&A with... Bob Budiansky]</ref>

* It seems no-one could get Megatron's box art right in Japan. His standard release used edited boxart from the standard Microchange P-38 toy's black deco, recolored to Megatron's US toy color scheme with shiny 'chrome' and red on his legs and arms instead of the Japanese toy's flat grey and blue. The VS-X art replaced the red with blue, but kept the 'chrome'. The art on the 'Goodbye Megatron' set used edited US boxart (which in turn was the Microchange P-38 UNCLE art with an added sigil) that replaced the red with blue, yet this toy used red plastic.

[[Image:Skywarpatron.jpg|left|thumb|150px|[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] really DID need close supervision.]]
* In a possible fit of madness, a triple changer was proposed that would switch between [[Skywarp]] (possibly mistaken for Starscream), Megatron, and Skywarp's jet mode.

[[Image:Megalvatron.jpg|right|thumb|150px|This toy IS a time paradox.]]
* In a slightly more sane attempt, another triple changer was proposed which would switch between Megatron, a very awkward [[Galvatron]], and a Walther P-38 handgun with added futuristic silencer and laser sight.

* According to [[Don Figueroa]], the mysterious clip on the back of 6" Titanium War Within Megatron was meant to carry the sword Megatron was depicted as using in the War Within. As in the comics, it would presumably have resembled the sword packaged with various versions of G1 Megatron. It may have been omitted due to cost concerns.

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==Footnotes==
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==External links==
* [http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Megatron Megatron's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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User talk:Suki Brits

2007-04-27T06:37:49Z

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User talk:Steve-o

2007-04-27T06:35:18Z

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My fellow bad guys - I, '''David Willis''', your leader, will speak now about my, '''David Willis'''', plan. My villainous, villainous plan. Question the plan at your peril!......Uh, any questions? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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:Hi Steve-o. The disapearing history certainly is a strange one. It's one for the technical types, so I've passed it on to JasonR. He's going to have a look and see if he can fix it. He can see the problem, so hopefully he'll be able to cure it. -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 19:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Did I ever send you a set of 4 TF Audio adventures that lacked book-equivilants?

I know it's been asked before- but I'm not clear on the answer. Do we have a spoiler template? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, such as a template that would HIDE the following spoilers. Other wikis have 'em. Are you telling me we're nto as good as the Thundercats Wiki, which doesn't want people to know Wileycub grew up to work for Mum-Ra? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
::We don't, but if you know how to make one, go ahead. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Bah. I was thinking about a highlight-spoiler-- which is eminently possible. But I looked it up on Wikipedia first. It notes that such a function is 'undesitrable,' because soem web-browsers highlight different, meanign the text is nto visible even if highlightd.

Bastard Browser Wars. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

This is the person who was "editing out all the little jokes that happen to have mild curses in them".
I thought this wiki was intended to be "kid-friendly", being a Transformers wiki. Apparently, I was wrong. I will stop doing that now.
Again, I am sorry.

==Quickswitch==
I'm guessing that Techspec info & mottos are not OK or is it? That's why I didn't put them in there. As to copy-pastes, I did the entries for both Wikipedia & this one on Super-God Masterforce. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 00:27, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

==Downshift move==

Ah, alrighty then. Guess I should've taken a look at the Portal first. Thanks! - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 22:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Episode Template comments ==

Thank you for your comments, Steve-o. At your suggestion, I have eliminated the word "tagline" as well as the date links. Sorry about that by the way; I also started using Memory Alpha (the Star Trek wiki) and they used the calendar template for airdates of shows and birthdays of performers and crew and other miscellaneous things. But if the consensus has already been reached that it's not necessary here, I'm fine with that and will not use any date links. Thanks for your feedback. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 00:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

==Spotlight titles==
See [[Talk:Spotlight (comics)]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

== Various and sundry ==

On your to-do list...
* Template:Shenanigans - Vanilla display-only messagebox that does just what it looks like, functional equivalent to a disputed-content notice template on wikia
* Template:Fact - [citationneeded] template, direct off wikipedia. (Actually, a bit simpler, wikipedia had an option for cats or something I stripped out.)
* Category:Cleanup by month - Cleanup tags by month. The first sub-section of this page (giving an at-a-glance summary) can be auto updated by a script - the same one used for this purpose on en.wikipedia.org with a few tweaks on the pattern-recognition to accommodate wikia's different grammar. The script logs in as me, so I put in some safeties to keep it from running more than once a day, and a kill-switch in case of malfunction. (I should probably give the code for that to Walky...) It's overkill for this wiki- but a nice extra.

(I'm contemplating whether the cleanup cat might more useful as a ''needs-improvement'' cat, since that's likely to receive use on this wiki...)

The one wrinkle likely to confuse you is the the use of: {{#if}} in the templates, a boolean [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ParserFunctions parser function] that lets the template do things only if certain variables are set. (And thus allows for a neater layout.)

Hope this is useful. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

==re: Quotes==

Actually I just put them in there to color up the pages, but some were pretty boring. Maybe I'll try and find some more apposite ones. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 23:12, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

==Interlanguage links==
Hi Steve. The edit by HardStuff you reverted on the [[Main Page]] was actually a useful edit. He was adding an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Interlanguage links|Interlanguage link]] which is a link that points to the same article on another language version of the same wiki. In this case, the link was pointing to the new [http://hu.transformers.wikia.com Hungarian Transformers Wikia]. The link appears in the left sidebar in the "other languages" section and is the easiest way for people to find this content in their own language. If you look at Wikipedia, you'll see this is used on many articles to link to the same topic in a different language. [[w:User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 18:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

==Central Discussion Area==
Thanks for that. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:ItsWalky

2007-04-13T14:06:19Z

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--I'm deeply sorry

==Something I Noticed==

I see that when new users come in - I did this too - one of the first things they start to do is edit out the silly captions and some of the humor from the Wiki. This is mostly stemming from the transition from Wikipedia and other Wikis to Teletraan-1, since most others have strict no-humor. Is there a way to put up some sort of banner in the "Help Contents" guide, that explains, look, we're silly here sometimes?

And, um, that guy below is just funny as hell. [[User:Mirai Gen|Mirai Gen]] 19:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

==Things to say to you==
[[Image:Ttoc.GIF|right|thumb|We approve this message.]]

Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.
: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

== I thought it was vandalism ==

Just that I read the article and thought it was vandalism from the way it was written. So I accidently reverted it to the old one, which had more of something that seemed like vanderism. Then I realize I am not in wikipeida, but in Transformers wiki. I clicked on a link from Tformers.com and since the two sites look so damn similar, yeah......That explains the humor and why I had to make an account here. Sorry, but I am wishy washy at the moment since I have a term paper due soon and haven't gotten any sleep. Sorry. LOL--[[User:Doomzaber|Doomzaber]] 03:14, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Just kind of curious ==

Is there a limit to your knowledge of Transformers lore, or is it as infinite as the cosmos?

Because damn, do you know a lot.

==You are now an Admin==

Hello ItsWalky, I've made you and Suki Brits admins for this wiki. Thanks for offering to help out! Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please see [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - you two will be fine for now, but more may be needed in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

My liege *kneels*--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 13:45, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Nice April Fools lol [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 14:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

...RUN, HE'S GONE MAD WITH POWER!

I know Bodycount was being antagonistic about his changes (not just on the Nemesis Prime entry), but I think blocking him for 2 weeks may have been excessive. We should try to settle editorial conflicts through compromise, like they do at Wikipedia, by rewriting the article to express both points of view and the reasoning behind those views. On the other hand, I
have no idea who he is, aside from a vague feeling that he's an Allsparker. You may be more familiar with his habits than I. Maybe he's likely to just be disruptive. But from what I have seen just here at this site, I think the block was premature. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:42, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

MAD WITH POWER!

I Knew BC at Tfans, he was a bit antaganistic to the rabid GeeWuners, but he's a great kitbasher. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 05:01, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Bodycount's been banned repeatedly from the Allspark, and from several other boards, as well. He's a textbook troll, and we're better off without him. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 05:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== There's an issue with the "Recent Changes" page ==

Up at the top of the "recent changes" page where it says "below are the last X chaned in the last Y days as of DATE", for some reason the "DATE" says "$3". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 14:51, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Pssy, Walky! You need a http:// on the botcon link on your blog. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

== The Agenda: Part 1 ==

:Hahaha, the guy whose fault it is I'm here was right behind me, messing with my first edits. How's that for irony? :)
:(I love Shortpacked.) - [[User:Doogles|Doogles]] 21:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

== Episode Template Comments ==

Hi ItsWalky. Thanks loads for your feedback. Sorry about the date thing. As for the loss of data between the two templates, reordering each of the groups for order of appearance shouldn't be too difficult, just means watching the episode carefully again (unfortunately, when I did the lists of characters for my own TF site, I didn't consider having them in order of appearance and thus alphabetized them right away). With regards to the difference between major and minor characters, I'm not sure I would quite know where to draw the line on who's what in every TF episode. To me, it would seem to depend if the character was regular, is he major or minor for the whole series, season, or just the episode, or if the character was a guest, I could see it likely being just the episode. Perhaps if I knew what guidline Teletraan-1 was using to determine Major/Minor status, I could think of a way to incorporate it into my template. Thanks again for your feedback. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 00:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello again. Just to let you know I've incorporated order of appearance into my test template if you wanted to check it out: [[User:Telet093/The Master Builder]]. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 23:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
==Cartoon==
Hi - sorry for the home page edit, I was trying to figure out if I added the word "cartoon" at the top of the page, would google figure out that your site is not about power control and liquid transformers :-) [http://wikia.com/wiki/User:Gil Gil]
:Google's not gonna figger it out, no, not until they distinguish between the two in their databases. Believe me, every TF site with google ads has the same problem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== A Question on Mini-Con Entries ==
As I'm hitting the "random page" button, I seem to come up with a Mini-Con page for this or that Mini-Con most of the time. Is there any reason every Mini-Con has its own page? Could they be consolidated on to their respective team pages? This may be a community issue, but I figured an editor the best place to start.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:43, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
: All the ones in Armada and Cybertron, at least, have their own bios and personalities, so that should be enough for a page. I think, in principle, every toyed character should have its own page, whether it be a Nebulan, Mini-Con, Deployer, or what have you. I tend to only use the "Related characters" subsection for fiction-only humans and the like. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

==Question Time Again==
Would it be possible to consolidate the pages such as [[quartex]] and [[cycle]] and whatever else is floating about into just a single "Cybertronian Units of Time" page of some sort? I had no idea a "quartex" existed until I randomly hit the [[Conductors]] page, for instance, but having them all in one place might be helpful, or possibly to rename the page into "Measurements of time" and split off [[Megamile]]?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
: I don't see why we can't have both. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

== Alot of images seem to be missing ==

many of the images have dissipered, such as the ones on [[neon]]. the image files themselves cive a "can't find on server" error. any idea WTF is up? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:42, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
:Probably just a temporary glitch. Wikia has a lot of them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sources==
How does one go about making reference to a patent and a catalog in a footnote on here?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 18:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
: Replacing -s with HTML arrow-thingies:
::-ref-[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]-/ref-
::And then create a "Footnotes" subheading at the bottom of the page, under which you type:
::-references/-
::That will automatically create a footnote there.
:See [[Ratchet (G1)]] for an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
==Lyrian==
Are you seeing the Lyrian.jpg image on her entry? Because I still am not. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, correction: I ''am'' seeing it when I use Internet Explorer, but not when I use Mozilla Firefox. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 22:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
:I think you need to refresh the page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

==Sorry?==
Dude, the Seeker cateogry expressely said it was for G1 characters, and it wasn't until now that you decided that the Armada guys counted. Maximals was in Beast Era category, so I just made it more specific. Same for Vehicons. I'm sorry for pissing you off, but you're effectively blaming me for not being psychic. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== Images fitting ==

I have a wide screen resolution (1280x800), and often times images that are on the same side will start to stack up if there aren't enough lines of text between them, kind of like this:

:img | _______
_______| | img

That's what was happening with the Airazor pics. Would it be better to add in come blank lines? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:18, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
: Well, in Airazor's case, we just had to fill in more summary. She was missing some key episodes, which filled in more text between the two images. On other pages, I dunno, it's a problem with the system, which we'll have to work out, 'cuz I think all images are gonna hafta be lefted if there's storylinks over there. Otherwise it's a mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

== COMPLETE GO-BOTS POWER?!!! ==

Walky, I '''''must''''' have this thing! For [http://chawks.brinkster.net/gb my Go-Bots site]!

PLEEEASE?

{wipes up drool}
: Steve-o's got first dibs, and he'll have it up on his TF coloring book archive whenever he gets the time. I've just now shared the harddrive folder with all the stuff in it so he has access to it, after all these years. I'm slow. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

::Saw the scans. That's awesome! It's really too bad it never got made. And y'know, I think a Go-Bots cover done in the "DW house style" could actually look super-cools. May I have permission to upload the scans to my site? (I always like to ask.) --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 20:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

==Bureaucrat==
Hi David. Since the original founder of this wiki has been inactive since June 2005, I've made you a bureaucrat here in case there are any trusted community members who need to be made into admins. See [[Wikia:Help:User access levels]] for help with this. I liked your recent [http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20070101.html comic] mentioning the wiki. Perhaps you should link to the wiki as well to encourage more transformers fans to join in. [[w:User:Angela|Angela]] <sup>[[User talk:Angela|talk]]</sup> 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pretender Grimlock ==

In case you didn't know, Reprolabels makes Pretender Grimlock stickers. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
: Oooh. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== About the delete of the IDW megatron Pic ==

The image illustrate megatron in his IDW form (as well as his alt mode), and it as been (at least) released on the official site. Isn't it all an image need to be. The text here, isn't the important part and is still readable anyway. Here just to prove it's not "stolen" or anything: http://www.idwpublishing.com/newreleases.shtml --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 14:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
: I know it's not stolen. We can probably manage to wait one more day until the actual issue comes out and we can have something of useable size to scan. The image, at the size it was, was useless. (Also, we should avoid having full pages up, unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise it's not exactly fair use.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== And the Lord said "DUDE". And it was groovy. ==

For the record, and I know this counts for almost nothing, Willis is the reason I'm here. Yeah, I love wikis, I love Transformers, and I (rather inexplicably) adore the Jumpstarters, but I wouldn't know about Teletraan 1 if not for the blog on Shortpacked!.

So, yeah. That's all I gotta say for now... rawkon, Walkyboy. \m/

:I hate you. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

::What the slag is Shortpacked, and who in the Pit is this Willis? --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 17:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
:::You aren't serious, are you? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pie ==
What exactly is the great importance of Pie? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
:As the ratio of the circumfrence to the radius of a sphere, it underpins the structure of our universe.
:Of course, some people argue that because no perfect circle exists in out quasi-raster universe, pi is actually nothing that a unique mathematical phenomena, of no consequence ot the real world.
:(These people are communists.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

== disambuig question ==

When a character shares a name with an episode, do both pages get a series tag, or just the episode? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Are we talking about Chase? He's the only one that wouldn't get a (G1) otherwise, that I can think of... I would tentatively say that having the TF be [[Chase]] and the episode be [[Chase (Armada episode)]] would be fine. Of course, we might need a disambig page to encompass [[Chip Chase]], I dunno. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hey Walky, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS that you can see at [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]

It's Wikipedia's pretty able classes. Wikia (buizarely) comes with ''no'' table classes. We dont' use tables much here, but should we want to, we'd want them to look like this. (And this is the class all the wikipedia-how-to-create-a-table tutorials tell you to use.) The code is unaltered from Wikipedia, so it won't conflict with anything.

Appreciate it if you could port it over for me.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:31, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
: Where do I put it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry, I forgot you hadn't done this before.
::Please append the requested change from the CSS discussion area [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]] to the end of the actual CSS file [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], which you can edit but I cannot.
::The lack of these table styles is moderately more pressing than it was when I originally requested them, since we now have an article that actually uses tables -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

== online update ==

When you talk about online updates, maybe a direct link should be required (if it's official and everyhing and stuf...).

:... for what? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:33, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe I have I have missunderstood, but when he talk about "online update", he talk about material that have been put on official sites or something, and therefore, for completition sake, a link to it would be appropriate. If I have get it wrong, or if those sites require payment to be accessible, then forget what I say...
:::It is indeed pay content for the Fan Club. A direct link would not work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Alright.

== Scale question ==
Hi there, this is PacifistPrime, the originator of the new [[Scale]] article. Thanks very much for your contributions. Just one question though; you've changed some of the estimated "real world" heights for characters like Prime and Bumblebee, stating that they "have been calculated". I don't mean to disagree with you ''per se'' (although I must admit your figures do instinctively strike me as unlikely, but that's just my guestimate), but I was wondering if you could please source those figures. Not so much in the article itself (believe me, I'm very sick of the bluenoses over at Wikipedia always being on peoples' case about that), but rather just for my own personal interest. I've actually wanted for some time now to set up a project that would use the toys and specs for the real vehicles to calculate how big most of the pre-Movie G1s would be. But if someone has already done this, I'd love to know their results, and I'd be particularly interested in their method. Can you give me some directions? Please respond in my own talk page, if you don't mind. Hope to hear from you, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source LV once figured it out using real vehicle lengths and stuff.]
:Also, a trend in the article seems to be overunderestimating the size of the Transformers in the cartoon, for example, saying that Optimus Prime would "only" be 20 feet tall, versus the giant size you believe he is. We've got lots of model sheets available to us that show that Optimus Prime was drawn to be 15-ish feet, or 3 Spikes tall. Now, the comic tended to draw the Transformers much, much larger than that, but in the cartoon, they were kinda dinky, though that's of course not incredibly consistent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:39, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== ''The Enemy Within Part 2'' ==

I'm wanting to start writing an article for ''The Enemy Within'', but there is one slight problem. My scans of the issue (saved from Seibertron and TCA before the comic scans were taken down) are missing pages 9 and 10 (the last two color pages) from part 2, and from what I've been able to dig up from the Wayback Machine, the scans used on the various sites never had those two pages (or a few from ''The Man Of Iron'' UK printing, and page 8 from UK #6). I'm not sure if this is kosher, but any idea where I might be able to "acquire" those two pages? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:07, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
: Gimme an email address. I may have them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:48, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
::fortressmaximus05 (at) verizon.net --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:06, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Blog not wiki ==
Hey man, that's totally fair enough; realise I was on a bit of a rave there about Masterpiece Megs. Still, you didn't have to be impolite about it. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]. P.S. I wouldn't be caught dead writing a blog. Got much better things to do with my time. Like edit this wiki. ;-)
:Me again. I seem to stuff up on your watch pretty regularly, huh? Sorry about the E.J.Su cover thing; I honestly thought that WAS him for some reason. So much so, in fact, that I was wondering myself why the style seemed a little inconsistent with his other work...! Do you know who ''did'' do it? I expect was it the same dude who did the "Uncle Prime" recruitment poster. Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!

2007-04-12T23:17:02Z

220.239.53.31: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

[[Image:ZonePoster1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hallelujah! It's raining Transformers!]]
'''''Zone''''' is an OVA (Original Video Animation) released in Japan in July 1990. A direct sequel to the previous animated series, ''[[Victory (television series)|Victory]]'', it was the final animated installment of Japan's original Generation 1 series.

==Detailed synopsis==

The demonic [[Violen Jygar]] gathers together the [[Decepticon]]s [[Devastator]], [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], [[Trypticon]], [[Predaking]], [[Abominus]], [[King Poseidon]], [[Overlord]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] as his [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] and charges them with obtaining the [[Zodiac]], the enigmatic energy force responsible for the creation of the universe. In search of this great power, the Generals attack and devastate the planet [[Feminia]], drawing the attention of the Autobots, who arrive to save the planet's populace. Supreme Commander [[Victory Saber]] saves the life on a young boy named [[Kain]], but is unable to escape the planet's destruction himself and is left missing in action when Feminia explodes.

Kain and his pet [[Emusa]] are brought to [[Zone (planet)|Planet Zone]], the fortified defence base of the Autobot [[Micromaster]]s, where [[Moonradar]] and [[Rabbicrater]] give him the low-down on its history. Having been founded by the [[Powered Master]]s, early Transformer pioneers of space, Zone is powered by the new energy source, [[Energon Z]] - but unfortunately, it just so happens that this is also on Violen Jygar's list of acquisitions, and Overlord, Menasor, Bruticus and Abominus attack the planet and steal it. Moonradar leads the [[Super Car Patrol Team]] and the [[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]] in pursuit of the villains, but their way is barred by BlackZarak, who impedes their progress with an energy net. The [[Jet Patrol Team]] free their companions, and [[Sunrunner]] tracks the Generals with his radar, discovering that the other half of the group is heading for Earth.

Back on Zone, as the [[Rescue Patrol Team]] cleans up, the Powered Masters [[Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] return from their search for Victory Saber, bringing the wounded commander back safely. The two Powered Masters immediately set out for Earth, where Devastator, King Poseidon, Trypticon and Predaking are already wreaking havoc. The Micromasters, meanwhile, have already arrived on the planet, just in time to save a young boy named [[Akira]], who... ''befriends''... Kain as the Micromasters do the best they can to hold off the Generals. In the nick of time, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrive, and the battle goes underground as Devastator and Dai Atlas race to find the Zodiac, buried in a cavern beneath the Earth's surface. As Devastator is dispatched by a river of lava, King Poseidon attempts to escape with the Zodiac, but is stopped by Sonic Bomber, and tosses it to his fellow Generals. Dai Atlas, however, is able to snatch it from the grasp, and calls upon its power to unlock "Zone Mode" - a new transformation for him and Sonic Bomber that allows them to convert to heavily-armed base modes that dispense with King Poseidon and Trypticon. Attempting to flee, Predaking is cleaved in two by Dai Atlas's Zone Sword Cutter attack.

Back on Zone, the injured Victory Saber appoints Dai Atlas as the new Supreme Commander of the Autobots, to serve while he is unable.

==Stats==

'''Original release date:''' 21 July 1990

'''Written by:''' [[Masumi Kaneda]]?

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)

{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Victory Saber]] (6)
*[[Galaxy Shuttle]] (7)
*[[Holi]] (8)
*[[Pipo]] (9)
*[[Fire]] (10)
*[[Boater]] (11)
*[[Moonradar]] (17)
*[[Rabbicrater]] (18)
*[[Starcloud]] (20)
*[[Windrim]] (21)
*[[Gunlift]] (22)
*[[Whisper (Autobot)|Whisper]] (23)
*[[Nightflight (Autobot)|Nightflight]] (24)
*[[Sidetrack]] (25)
*[[Powerbomb]] (26)
*[[Gingham]] (27)
*[[Black Heat]] (28)
*[[Sunrunner]] (29)
*[[Dai Atlas]] (31)
*[[Sonic Bomber]] (32)
*[[Spin Change]] (33)
*[[Glorian]] (34)
*[[Road Handler]] (35)
*[[Deadhour]] (37)
*[[Road Hugger (Autobot)|Road Hugger]] (38)
*[[Road Caesar]] (39)
*[[Grand Maximus]] (40)
*[[Landcross]] (41)
*[[Metalhawk]] (42)
*[[Lander]] (43)
*[[Lightfoot]] (44)
*[[Ranger]] (45)
*[[Road King]] (46)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Overlord]] (3)
*[[Abominus]] (4)
*[[Menasor]] (5)
*[[Violen Jygar]] (12)
*[[Devastator]] (13)
*[[Trypticon]] (14)
*[[Predaking]] (15)
*[[King Poseidon]] (16)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (19)
*[[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] (30)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Kain]] (1)
*[[Akira]] (36)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Emusa]] (2)
|}

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===

*The Shuttle Base from ''Victory'' reappears as the core of the Zone Base. It is, of course, the rocket base belonging to the Micromaster [[Countdown]], or if you prefer, his Japanese counterpart, Moonradar.
*The Micromaster Bases belonging to [[Airwave]], [[Greasepit]], [[Hothouse]] and [[Ironworks]] all appear as part of the Zone Base, but their Micromaster owners do not. In Japan, the bases are known simply as "Airport Base," "Gasoline Base," "Fire Base" and "Build Base," respectively.

===Real-world references===

===Miscellaneous trivia===

*This is the only episode of ''Zone'' in existence. Although rumors have always circulated that as many as five could have been completed, only this first episode was released, and serves as the final animated installment of the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon. The storyline of ''Zone'' would be continued through [[TV Magazine]] [[story page]]s; as the story progressed, the massive Decepticon [[Metrotitan]] attacked Earth, and Violen Jygar was able to obtain the Zodiac, leading to a climactic battle between him and the Powered Masters - now including [[Roadfire]] - on the newly-discovered tenth planet of Earth's solar system. Separating into three giant insects, Violen Jygar was beaten back, but then revealed his true form as a flaming mass of Decepticon spirits, only to be destroyed by the Zodiac-empowered [[Big Powered]]. With his death, the tenth planet became a paradise where Autobots, Decepticons and humans could all live in peace.
*The ''Zone'' VHS came packaged with the exclusive figure, Rabbicrater.
*Four complete Micromaster teams appear in this episode - the Rescue Team, the Battle Team, the Jet Team and the Super Car Team. The latter two are redecos of the [[Air Strike Patrol]] and the [[Sports Car Patrol]], who were Decepticons in the West.
*Only three members of the [[Race Car Patrol]] appear in this episode, in cameos from behind, nonetheless. The missing member is [[Wheelrun]], who can briefly be spotted in the opening sequence
*So... yeah. Kain and Akira are pretty gay. Aside from both being very effeminate in design, the two boys share scenes in which they fall over on top of each other and blush like crazy, and in which Akira presents Kain with flowers. Then, the whole closing sequence is about them running through a field of [[wikipedia: Shōjo|shojo bubbles]] and watching the sunrise together. Quite why Takara caved into such a ghastly anime cliche after having stayed away from anything even ''close'' to this in Transformers before, we may never know - but it ''could'' have something to do with Masumi Kaneda's desire to have Kain and Akira become something akin to [[wikipedia:miko|miko]] at the story's conclusion.

[[Category:Media]]
[[Category: Zone]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!

2007-04-12T23:15:24Z

220.239.53.31:

[[Image:ZonePoster1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hallelujah! It's raining Transformers!]]
'''''Zone''''' is an OVA (Original Video Animation) released in Japan in July 1990. A direct sequel to the previous animated series, ''[[Victory (television series)|Victory]]'', it was the final animated installment of Japan's original Generation 1 series.

==Detailed synopsis==

The demonic [[Violen Jygar]] gathers together the [[Decepticon]]s [[Devastator]], [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]], [[Trypticon]], [[Predaking]], [[Abominus]], [[King Poseidon]], [[Overlord]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] as his [[Nine Great Demon Generals]] and charges them with obtaining the [[Zodiac]], the enigmatic energy force responsible for the creation of the universe. In search of this great power, the Generals attack and devastate the planet [[Feminia]], drawing the attention of the Autobots, who arrive to save the planet's populace. Supreme Commander [[Victory Saber]] saves the life on a young boy named [[Kain]], but is unable to escape the planet's destruction himself and is left missing in action when Feminia explodes.

Kain and his pet [[Emusa]] are brought to [[Zone (planet)|Planet Zone]], the fortified defence base of the Autobot [[Micromaster]]s, where [[Moonradar]] and [[Rabbicrater]] give him the low-down on its history. Having been founded by the [[Powered Master]]s, early Transformer pioneers of space, Zone is powered by the new energy source, [[Energon Z]] - but unfortunately, it just so happens that this is also on Violen Jygar's list of acquisitions, and Overlord, Menasor, Bruticus and Abominus attack the planet and steal it. Moonradar leads the [[Super Car Patrol Team]] and the [[Battle Patrol|Battle Patrol Team]] in pursuit of the villains, but their way is barred by BlackZarak, who impedes their progress with an energy net. The [[Jet Patrol Team]] free their companions, and [[Sunrunner]] tracks the Generals with his radar, discovering that the other half of the group is heading for Earth.

Back on Zone, as the [[Rescue Patrol Team]] cleans up, the Powered Masters [[Dai Atlas]] and [[Sonic Bomber]] return from their search for Victory Saber, bringing the wounded commander back safely. The two Powered Masters immediately set out for Earth, where Devastator, King Poseidon, Trypticon and Predaking are already wreaking havoc. The Micromasters, meanwhile, have already arrived on the planet, just in time to save a young boy named [[Akira]], who... ''befriends''... Kain as the Micromasters do the best they can to hold off the Generals. In the nick of time, Dai Atlas and Sonic Bomber arrive, and the battle goes underground as Devastator and Dai Atlas race to find the Zodiac, buried in a cavern beneath the Earth's surface. As Devastator is dispatched by a river of lava, King Poseidon attempts to escape with the Zodiac, but is stopped by Sonic Bomber, and tosses it to his fellow Generals. Dai Atlas, however, is able to snatch it from the grasp, and calls upon its power to unlock "Zone Mode" - a new transformation for him and Sonic Bomber that allows them to convert to heavily-armed base modes that dispense with King Poseidon and Trypticon. Attempting to flee, Predaking is cleaved in two by Dai Atlas's Zone Sword Cutter attack.

Back on Zone, the injured Victory Saber appoints Dai Atlas as the new Supreme Commander of the Autobots, to serve while he is unable.

==Stats==

'''Original release date:''' 21 July 1990

'''Written by:''' [[Masumi Kaneda]]?

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)

{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobots]]
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticons]]
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human|Humans]]
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Victory Saber]] (6)
*[[Galaxy Shuttle]] (7)
*[[Holi]] (8)
*[[Pipo]] (9)
*[[Fire]] (10)
*[[Boater]] (11)
*[[Moonradar]] (17)
*[[Rabbicrater]] (18)
*[[Starcloud]] (20)
*[[Windrim]] (21)
*[[Gunlift]] (22)
*[[Whisper (Autobot)|Whisper]] (23)
*[[Nightflight (Autobot)|Nightflight]] (24)
*[[Sidetrack]] (25)
*[[Powerbomb]] (26)
*[[Gingham]] (27)
*[[Black Heat]] (28)
*[[Sunrunner]] (29)
*[[Dai Atlas]] (31)
*[[Sonic Bomber]] (32)
*[[Spin Change]] (33)
*[[Glorian]] (34)
*[[Road Handler]] (35)
*[[Deadhour]] (37)
*[[Road Hugger (Autobot)|Road Hugger]] (38)
*[[Road Caesar]] (39)
*[[Grand Maximus]] (40)
*[[Landcross]] (41)
*[[Metalhawk]] (42)
*[[Lander]] (43)
*[[Lightfoot]] (44)
*[[Ranger]] (45)
*[[Road King]] (46)

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*[[Overlord]] (3)
*[[Abominus]] (4)
*[[Menasor]] (5)
*[[Violen Jygar]] (12)
*[[Devastator]] (13)
*[[Trypticon]] (14)
*[[Predaking]] (15)
*[[King Poseidon]] (16)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (19)
*[[Scorponok (G1)|BlackZarak]] (30)

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*[[Kain]] (1)
*[[Akira]] (36)

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*[[Emusa]] (2)
|}

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===

*The Shuttle Base from ''Victory'' reappears as the core of the Zone Base. It is, of course, the rocket base belonging to the Micromaster [[Countdown]], or if you prefer, his Japanese counterpart, Moonradar.
*The Micromaster Bases belonging to [[Airwave]], [[Greasepit]], [[Hothouse]] and [[Ironworks]] all appear as part of the Zone Base, but their Micromaster owners do not. In Japan, the bases are known simply as "Airport Base," "Gasoline Base," "Fire Base" and "Build Base," respectively.

===Real-world references===

===Miscellaneous trivia===

*This is the only episode of ''Zone'' in existence. Although rumors have always circulated that as many as five could have been completed, only this first episode was released, and serves as the final animated installment of the Generation 1 cartoon. The storyline of ''Zone'' would be continued through [[TV Magazine]] [[story page]]s; as the story progressed, the massive Decepticon [[Metrotitan]] attacked Earth, and Violen Jygar was able to obtain the Zodiac, leading to a climactic battle between him and the Powered Masters - now including [[Roadfire]] - on the newly-discovered tenth planet of Earth's solar system. Separating into three giant insects, Violen Jygar was beaten back, but then revealed his true form as a flaming mass of Decepticon spirits, only to be destroyed by the Zodiac-empowered [[Big Powered]]. With his death, the tenth planet became a paradise where Autobots, Decepticons and humans could all live in peace.
*The ''Zone'' VHS came packaged with the exclusive figure, Rabbicrater.
*Four complete Micromaster teams appear in this episode - the Rescue Team, the Battle Team, the Jet Team and the Super Car Team. The latter two are redecos of the [[Air Strike Patrol]] and the [[Sports Car Patrol]], who were Decepticons in the West.
*Only three members of the [[Race Car Patrol]] appear in this episode, in cameos from behind, nonetheless. The missing member is [[Wheelrun]], who can briefly be spotted in the opening sequence
*So... yeah. Kain and Akira are pretty gay. Aside from both being very effeminate in design, the two boys share scenes in which they fall over on top of each other and blush like crazy, and in which Akira presents Kain with flowers. Then, the whole closing sequence is about them running through a field of [[wikipedia: Shōjo|shojo bubbles]] and watching the sunrise together. Quite why Takara caved into such a ghastly anime cliche after having stayed away from anything even ''close'' to this in Transformers before, we may never know - but it ''could'' have something to do with Masumi Kaneda's desire to have Kain and Akira become something akin to [[wikipedia:miko|miko]] at the story's conclusion.

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User talk:Crockalley

2007-04-10T21:58:07Z

220.239.53.31:

You are my newest hero. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:20, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
:Why would that be, my friend? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 11:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, you mean Moon? It was nothing. :) --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 11:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen you spell it wrong a few times, but I'm not sure if you're being ironic or not. You do know it's spelled "grammar," right? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:Um, I do now? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

==RE: Robot Masters - DVD version: ONE sigil on each shoulder; NOT retooled.)==
When one writes almost the entire toy article by oneself in one day, one will invariably get some details wrong. There was no need for you to imply 'You were WRONG!' in your edit summary. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

:Chill out. There was no harshness meant in my edit summary. I used caps to stress what was changed, not to imply wrongness. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

::Sorry, I was unduly harsh to you and I apologise --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

== Masterpiece Megs importation issue ==
:Interesting. I really couldn't say whether the U.S. importation difficulty is merely percieved or not. They certainly go on about it a lot on tfw2005.com. I suppose we'll just have to wait for a user consensus on that point. Also, I just wanted to let you know I've reverted that edit; no offence but I disagree with you: I really think that the "impossible on paper" comment is an adequately noteworthy point, as the way animated Megs transforms ''is'' impossible without shape-morphing, as the kibble factor and detail-approximation on this figure proves (to say nothing of watching the cartoon in slow-mo). I also definitely think it's noteworthy what an INCREDIBLY complex transformation the toy has. Wouldn't you agree it must be the most elaborate transformation in a TF toy to date? I've removed the word "fiddly" (which wasn't actually mine anyway), if that makes any difference.
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User talk:PacifistPrime

2007-04-10T21:56:39Z

220.239.53.31: /* MP Megatron */

I have to be a bit of a nerd about capitalization. Even though it's the title of an article, common nouns like "fiction" and "scale" are not capitalized within a sentence. Only [[Wikipedia:Proper noun|proper nouns]] are capitalized, like names, places, and organizations. This includes words in article titles and section headings. For example, an article title would be "Size changing", not "Size Changing". And if it's not at the beginning of a sentence, it's just "size changing". Just a nit-pick on my part. Thanks! :) --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
:Cool, no probs. I'll try to do better in future. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Image uploads==
Hi, in the future, when you upload images, can you include info about what it is, where it came from, who made it and possibly who owns it if possible? Also, fairuse tags have {{ }} surrounding them so the script appears. Same goes for hastak, which is used when the picture belongs to Hasbro or Takara (such as stock photos of toys, packaging art), and comicinterior, used for comic scans. Thanks --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

=='Safeword'==
Even though the caption has been changed now, I should point out that it is rather uncool in my opinion to wiki link the meaning of safeword, given how sexual it is in nature. While this isn't exactly a family-friendly wiki, younger fans and kids do sometimes visit, so please keep this in mind. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
: I actually didn't change it - some other dude did. As for unilaterally changing captions, it happens all the time, even if you wrote most of the article and uploaded most of the pics yourself. I don't mind myself as I leave captions blank in my pics for others to fill in. Anyway, I didn't mind your caption, I took exception to linking it to the meaning, and in my opinion, if a joke is going to go over somebody's head (in this case the meaning of the term), let it :) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Yeah, you're probably right about that. I'll change it back without the link. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==MP Megatron==
Figures Direct (an aussie toy shop) has said that the police and customs have advised them that customs will be on the lookout for Megatron and will most likely seize the toys. Sellers need to apply for a firearms replica license or something to get them in. This was also confirmed by a mate of mine who runs Transfigure Toys. So I'm concerned about how customs react to individuals getting them from Asia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:20, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
: Well, what can I say? I got mine (two of them, in fact: one for my buddy) from HobbyLinkJapan (scum) with no troubles. Customs didn't even open it. Maybe I was just lucky, but I suspect that those toyshops only got that response from the fuzz because they asked in the first place. In fact, they may very well have tipped them off and made it harder for everyone else to import them now. Who knows? Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
::Well, I got mine, and I live in the US. No modification. So it seems we're even. Are there any actual difficulties in getting the toy into the US, or are all these difficulties merely perceived? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:58, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Interesting. I really couldn't say whether the U.S. importation difficulty is percieved or not. They certainly go on about it a lot on tfw2005.com. I suppose we'll just have to wait for a user consensus on that point. Also, I just wanted to let you know I've reverted that edit; no offence but I disagree with you: I really think that the "impossible on paper" comment is an adequately noteworthy point, as the way animated Megs transforms ''is'' impossible without shape-morphing, as the kibble factor and detail-approximation on this figure proves (to say nothing of watching the cartoon in slow-mo). I also definitely think it's noteworthy what an INCREDIBLY complex transformation the toy has. Wouldn't you agree it must be the most elaborate transformation in a TF toy to date? I've removed the word "fiddly" (which wasn't actually mine anyway), if that makes any difference.
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Transformers Generations (guidebook)

2007-04-10T06:16:14Z

220.239.53.31: Adding info about Primus Lucky Draw toy contest.

[[Image:TakaraTransformersGenerationsCoverDeluxe.jpg|thumb|right|300px|All the G1 Autobot leaders. Well, from the Japanese animated continuity anyway. So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view...]]
Published a few years ago, ''Transformers: Generations'' is a Japanese-exclusive book featuring a wealth of information on [[Generation 1]] and [[Generation 2]], including product photos of all Transformers toys released in Japan, Europe and the U.S. during the original releases of these generations. Unfortunately, the book is ''entirely'' in Japanese...

== Content ==
The main selling point is the book's exhaustive photography of the entire G1 and G2 toylines. Including not only all U.S. Releases (which were mostly all also released in Japan), the guide includes all Japanese-exclusive toys from Japanese-only lines such as ''[[Masterforce|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory]]'' and ''[[Zone]]''.

In fact, the book is somewhat U.S. centric, despite being created for the Japanese market. Product lines are listed by year and present U.S. assortments with Japanese exclusive characters in separate "Japan" sections by year. The only english text in the book are character names and designated function titles, subtitled below the Japanese heading. European-exlusive releases are also features in similarly separate "EU" sections, by year.

Were it not entirely in Japanese, this book would surely be the definitive toy guide to pre-[[Beast Era]] toys. Even so, it's a contender, being far more exhaustive (albeit less detail-oriented) than the next best English-language equivalent, Antartic Press' ''[[Cybertronian: The Unofficial Transformers Recognition Guide]]''.

The Second half of the book includes a gallery of what appears to be Japanese-market promotional art, possibly from sources such as ''[[TV Magazine]]'', as well as an extensive collection of toy concept designs. These include some fascinating glimpses of characters who went in different directions (such as [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] with a fire-truck altmode), more elaborate concepts for the [[Pretender]]s, early design prototypes for characters such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Fortress Maximus]], and sundry other concepts that never came to be. This includes non-toy characters such as [[Battlestars: The Return of Convoy|''Battlestars'']]'[[Megatron (G1)|Super Megatron]] and [[Dark Nova]].

Following this are character model sheets from the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]], including the Japanese-exclusive anime series ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'', ''[[Masterforce|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory]]'' and the OAV ''[[Zone]]''. And what appears to be some designs for manga such as [[Battlestars: The Return of Convoy|''Battlestars'']].

Finally, the book includes several black and white-only pages of mostly text (Japanese, of course) about topics such as [[Beastformers|Battle Beasts]], The ''[[TV Magazine]]'' manga, The U.S. Comics of G1 and G2, and apparently some stuff about the original designers. Apparently.

== Editions ==
There is apparently a vanilla version of this book in addition to the Deluxe version (pictured). The difference between the two editions is unknown and all of the preceeding information refers to the Deluxe version.

== Primus Contest ==
Unbeknownst to most English-language fans, the first official [[Primus]] toy was ''not'' the Supereme-class figure that debuted in the [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron''/''Galaxy Force'']] line. It was a limited (to one?) gold-chrome vac-metallised reissue of the G1 [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] mould. Dubbed "Primus" and doubtlessly taking its lead from the god's rather Rodimus-esque astral form shown in [[Primal Scream|U.S. ''Transformers'' #61 "Primal Scream"]]. This "Lucky Draw" toy was apparently a contest prize offered in (at least the Deluxe edition of) ''Generations''. Apparently.

== Trivia ==
*There were a lot more G1 Transformers than you ever owned as a kid.
*There were a lot more G1 Transformers than you even ''knew existed'' as a kid.
*Understanding Japanese would be very useful for English-speaking Transfans, even if it would invite a whole world of pain...

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Primus

2007-04-10T06:05:34Z

220.239.53.31: info + link.

[[Image:PrimusG1.jpg|300px|thumb|That's MISTER God to you.]]

'''Primus''' is [[Unicron]]'s sibling, and the creator god of the Transformers. His body is the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Each Transformers' [[spark]] is a small piece of Primus' essence.

==In the beginning==

[[Image:Primusoriginal.jpg|thumb|left|"No, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is ''[[RIBFIR|blue]]''!"]]

Before the dawn of time, Order and Chaos existed within an extradimensional entity known as the [[One]]. He created twin astral beings to reign over the cosmos: Primus and Unicron. Their nature differed, as Primus' lifeforce (aka the [[Allspark (dimension)|Allspark]]) was a ''multiversal singularity''; existing across all Transformers realities at once ''(See Animated and IDW continuity sections below for possiple exceptions to this)'', whereas Unicron existed in only one dimension at a time but could travel relatively freely between them. Primus was the Lord of Light and Order, and Unicron, the Lord of Darkness and Chaos. Unicron sought to devour everything that exists and become one with [[The Void]] at the end of all things.

In combat, Primus was no match for Unicron. But Primus did manage to trap both his and Unicron's essences inside metallic planetoids. Over time, they learned to shape these prisons. Primus became the mechanical planet of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Knowing that his ancient enemy still lived, Primus created the [[13 original Transformers]] from the material of the newly created planet. To the very first of these 13, named [[Prima]], Primus bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], containing his essence. These Transformers would, in time, grow strong in number, knowledge, and power, and be able to defeat Unicron.

==War of the balance==

The first conflict between Primus and Unicron occurred shortly after the creation of the first 13 Transformers. One of the original 13, who would ever afterwards be known as The [[Fallen]], betrayed Primus and became an acolyte of Unicron. Many of the first 13 were destroyed in this great battle before Unicron and Primus were sucked into a [[black hole]] and sealed away in a extra-dimensional limbo.

The two brothers shared a mental link. So long as Primus hid himself in slumber, so did Unicron also sleep. Their war ended, for a time, in stalemate.

[[Image:Primalscream.jpg|right|thumb|KHHHHHAAAAANNNNN!]]

Eventually, in one version of Generation 1 continuity [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]], and [[Bumblebee]] found themselves transported to the center of [[Cybertron_(planet)|Cybertron]]. In a battle with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Pretender]]s, a laser blast ricocheted off Grimlock and struck the essence of the sleeping Primus, causing a multiverse-shaking Primal Scream that woke Unicron and alerted him to Primus' location.

The battle between Primus and Unicron began anew. Though Unicron would sometimes be defeated, this is always temporary, and there is a whole multiverse of realities to consume. When Unicron is destroyed in one reality, he will respawn in another, ready to eat again. Primus will always be waiting, hoping to incapacitate Unicron and preserve existence.

It has been suggested that both of them are, in fact, necessary for the multiverse to exist in stability.

==The evolution of the Primus/Unicron myth ==

The Primus/Unicron backstory has evolved and been rewritten a good number of times since it first originated in the Marvel Comics. The version above is the current iteration, which has slowly solidified across a wide swath of media beginning around the time of [[Armada]]) Before the Primus/Unicron mythos reached its present form it went through several distinct versions in the Marvel G1 Comics and elsewhere.

===Unicron's story===

The first time we ever heard the Primus/Unicron backstory it in the UK comic continuity, from Unicron himself. After his destruction during the events of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', his head floated through space and crashed on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]]. There, he enslaved the inhabitants to recreate his old body from their world. When the bount-um... freelance peacekeeping agent [[Death's Head]] challenged him on the astral plane, Unicron shared the story of his origin thusly:

At the dawn of the universe, when Unicron was a primal force of evil, the only one who could stand against him and his [[Dark Armies]] was Primus, Lord of the [[Light Gods]]. (Note the plural.) Primus and his fellow Light Gods stood against Unicron and his Dark Armies. Events then played out roughly as described above. ''(The role of the other Light Gods and Unicron's armies would diminish with each retelling of the story, until the current version where they are alone and have a unique origin. Only one of the other Light Gods was ever named: the [[Chronarchitect]].)''

===The Keeper's story===

The second time the story was told was in the US book by the [[Keeper]], an ancient mechanoid who guarded Primus's head at the center of Cybertron. This telling mentions that their battle was towards the end of the era of Gods and that Primus and Unicron were the last of their respective pantheons. But Primus had to defeat Unicron before he could take his place with the other gods in the "[[Omniversal Matrix]]".

===Primus' story===

The third time the story was told was by Primus when he gathered all his children together to prepare for Unicron's coming. Here we learn for the first time that Unicron predated the current universe. Unicron had destroyed the previous universe and then slept peacefully, alone with the void. But he had not been thorough enough and some bits of the "old realms" survived. They reacted and caused The Big Bang. The sentient core of this new universe recognized the threat of Unicron and so created Primus to be his counterpart
and guardian of the new creation.

===DK's story===
[[Image:WarWithinPrimus.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Our God is an AWESOME God. In a totally 80's meaning of "awesome."]]

The first modern retelling of their origin in the DK [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] (which tended to focus on the then current Dreamwave continuity) added a new twist with "The One" a self-contained being of balanced Order and Chaos. He was curious and so created Unicron to explore the new-born Universe for him. Then he sub-divided Unicron and created Primus out of him. As Primus achieved consciousness he realized Unicron had become corrupted and was now a force for Chaos. Primus thus took on the role of champion of Order and creation to balance things and protect existence from Unicron.

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==Marvel Comics continuity==

[[Image:Emirate_prmus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Form blazing god!]]

Unicron is first seen in the comic adaptation of ''The Transformers: The Movie''. The Marvel US comic basically left the adaptation alone as something that might or might not happen but was in the distant future (at the time) and so basically out of continuity. The Marvel UK version of the comic however seized on the Movie era and its characters as something it could focus on without worry of contradicting events in the US stories it reprinted.

Target 2006 was the first of these UK exclusive stories. It is not until the later "Legacy of Unicron" storyline however that we first hear of and see Primus.

''(Of particular note is that the story clearly intends for Primus to have died after his battle with Unicron in the US book. Unfortunately the current retcon disallows that, as Primus must live in all realities or the multiverse collapses. One must assume that Prime was wrong about Primus' status and the god was only "mostly dead", perhaps gone offline as in the Cybertron cartoon until the Last Autobot somehow revived him. Though that is only speculation, there is some evidence in the continuity itself to support Primus not having died after all. The Matrix is the life-force of Primus and it is shown to still be existing and functioning fine in the G2 Marvel Comics series that follows his supposed death.)''

== Animated continuity ==

Primus did not exist in the Generation 1 cartoon. There, Cybertron's oldest revealed status was as a factory world of the [[Quintesson]]s who invented the Transformers, and Unicron was a product of the strange sad little alien [[Primacron]].

This causes some trouble with the later retcon that Primus is a "multiversal singularity" and part of all Transformers universes, though [[Wreckers #3]] did attempt to retcon the Primus mythology into the Quintesson-creation backstory of the original cartoon.

==Beast Era==

===''Beast Wars''/''Beast Machines''===

Primus' name was often invoked in prayer or in righteous anger by the Beast Warriors.

The [[Covenant of Primus]], a prophetical set of data tracks, were on board both the [[Ark]] and the [[Nemesis]] when they crashed 4 million years ago on prehistoric Earth. [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] himself took his name from these tracks (as did, presumably, the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]), and the scriptures foretold the events which completed the [[Beast Wars]].

After the Beast Wars, Megatron intended to incorporate Primus' essence, the [[Allspark (dimension)|Allspark]], into his own being and become godlike by stealing every [[Spark]] of every Transformer on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Ultimately, this was merely one step of the [[Oracle]]'s plan to reformat Cybertron into a [[technorganic]] paradise. After Megatron and Optimus Primal were plunged into the planet's core, the planet was reborn and the abducted Sparks were returned to new technorganic bodies.

====''Tales of the Beast Wars'' comics====

Back at the dawn of the Universe, before he put into effect his grand plan, Primus did a test run to make sure it would work. He transformed a small moon into a planet and there created twelve transforming, robotic beings based on the Zodiac of future Earth. (He was a forward thinking God and had the [[Chronarchitect]] on his side.) The [[Covenant]] of Primus as they were called, were given the duty of watching over their younger cousins the Transformers, ensuring that Primus' plan followed its intended path, and preparing for the [[Omega Point]], a prophesied final battle with Unicron in which they were to take part.

===''Universe''===

[[Image:TFUPrimus.jpg|left|thumbnail|[[Alpha Trion| Alpha]], Rita's escaped! Recruit a team of teenagers with attitude!]]
When [[Unicron]] began gathering Transformers from the multiverse, forcing them to fight, and harvesting the [[Spark]]s of the losers, this presented a huge threat to Primus and the [[Allspark (dimension)|Allspark]]. Transformers' Sparks are pieces of Primus' essence, so each devoured soul weakened him.

Primus and [[Alpha Trion]] called back from the Allspark the now-legendary Maximal ship commander and [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s savior, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], to rescue the possessed, battling captives from the Pit of Unicron -- and to lead a team of multiversal warriors to put a stop to his soul-stealing scheme before it could cause the Allspark to collapse.

Primus allowed Optimus Primal to choose any Transformer who ever existed -- living or dead -- for his army. This required considerable amounts of Primus' power, so Primal was told to choose sparingly. Primal chose his departed former troops [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and [[Depth Charge]].

==Unicron Trilogy==

===Energon===
'''Voice actor:''' ''[[Ron Halder]] (US), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japan)''
[[Image:Primus_eng.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Primus mistakes Kicker for a Japanese schoolgirl.]]

The creation God of the Transformers made his character debut in the Unicron Trilogy during the ''Energon'' series. Although Primus was very vague and kept mysterious in the Energon series, his purpose would be further explored in the ''Cybertron'' series.

Primus is the living core of Cybertron and the creator of all Transformers, as well as the originator of the precious and ancient fuel, Energon. After the first era, stories of Unicron, Primus, and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] were regarded as myth and legend, until after the Unicron Battles of 2010. With Cybertron left in a disastrous state, it would require large amounts of Energon to repair it fully. Involved in this task was the Earth Federated Government, operating secretly with the Cybertronians. A child of one of the Earth scientists, [[Kicker Jones]], would be the one to awaken the ancient God, Primus, within Cybertron's core, while fleeing Optimus Prime in fear.

Primus' first act was to empower this child with the gift of finding energon throughout the universe. Primus would also create the sparks of combination which would allow his Autobots to double in strength by having one Autobot link to another, diverting his energy supply into his partner's weapons and processing systems through a system of Powerlinking top to bottom, much like Optimus and Jetfire's combination from Transformers Armada.

Primus would go on to advise Optimus Prime on his actions in order to prepare for the future, including the Terrorcon invasion, the return of Megatron, and the next battle with Unicron. Although vague at times, Primus often offered enough information in order for his children to avoid destruction in battle. Primus was often very weak due to the damage done to the planet's surface, and spent most of his time in a mode of stasis to preserve his energy and keep Cybertron's energy grid online.

Primus would continue to advise his creations until Unicron, being controlled by Megatron, would once again menace Cybertron and the other planets in the Planet Q system. Most of the Autobot army were critically wounded, prompting the sleeping Primus to awaken and fuse their armor. Unicron was eventually defeated, but Megatron survived. After Megatron used the hidden super energon pool to upgrade himself into Galvatron, all seemed nearly lost until Galvatron was once again possessed by Unicron. In the final battle, Primus awoke to carry the super energon through space and collide it with Unicron's spark, creating a newborn sun, ending the Energon story. Unfortunately, this would not last, as the sun would soon collapse, leading to the black hole that threatens the universe in the Transformers Cybertron series.

It is unknown if the act of creating the sun in the ''Energon'' series completely exhausted Primus, as the fiction connecting the stories remains vague. The club comic seems to portray the idea that Primus continued to exist, but was offlined by Nemesis Prime's attack. Although this is a plausible idea, the structure of Primus and Cybertron, having an Alpha Trion and Vector Sigma is based on Generation One, and was not present in the previous ''Energon'' animated series.

:''('''Note:''' Early ''Super-Link'' [http://web.archive.org/web/20041207164548/www.tfpulp.com/archive/energonprod/energonprod.html pre-production notes] go into the specifics of Primus's creation. Although it is not particularly in-line with the Western multiversal origin of the character involving the [[One]], they present Primus as an entity consisting purely of energon. Energon, the notes state, is the product of the "genetic material" of the sun interacting with planetary bodies - this, then, appears to be a very literal interpretation of Primus's role as a "light god," presenting him as an actual product of the light of the sun.)''

===Cybertron===
'''Voice actor:''' ''? (US), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japan)''

[[Image:Map-Primus.jpg|left|thumbnail|300px|If Unicron is Galactus, does that mean that Primus is Ego, The Living Planet?]]

Primus' plot to bury [[Unicron]]'s essence in the center of a newborn star failed. The star collapsed into a black hole which threatened not only [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the universe, but the multiverse as well. Only four [[Cyber Planet Key]]s, hidden on planets throughout the galaxy, combined with the [[Omega Lock]], could awaken Primus and allow him to destroy the black hole.

After Megatron is seemingly defeated, the Autobots bring the Omega Lock along with the Cyber Planet Keys from [[Velocitron]] the [[Jungle Planet]] and [[Earth]] to the restoration chamber. Upon inserting the three keys into the Omega Lock, the room shakes and the Omega Lock is pushed from its receptical into the ceiling, causing a chain reaction that makes it look as though the planet itself is falling apart. As the Autobots evacuated, they began to realize what was occurring - Cybertron was transforming.

[[Image:Primus Cybertrony.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Prickly.]]

As the [[Scale|massive continental plates]] of Cybertron split and shifted, exposing an arsenal of weapons, as well as recognisably humanoid robotic appendages, [[Vector Prime]] intoned an almost-religious verse: ''"He who fought Unicron at the dawn of Time. He who created the Matrix of Leadership. He who brought life to Cybertron, Velocitron and all the other Transformer worlds in the cosmos. Yes, there can be no other. This, is Primus."'' {{Storylink|Cybertron (Cybertron episode)|Cybertron}}

Primus communicates directly through the [[Mini-Con]] [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]], telling the Autobots that the black hole is no ordinary singularity. Primus gives the assembled an image of two forces, one good, one evil, that have been in existance for all time, but the evil force has vanished. Primus says that the destruction of Unicron left the balance of good and evil severely ''un''balanced, whch distorted space and time, and formed the black hole. Vector Prime explains to the kids that Unicron and Primus are balancing forces, and one cannot exist without the other, which [[Coby Hansen|Coby]] illustrates to [[Bud Hansen|Bud]] with a coin.

Primus says that only he can close the black hole, but his [[spark]] must be fully restored first, by obtaining all four Cyber Planet Keys and puttng them in the Omega Lock.... but the Autobots only have three Keys so far.

[[Image:Starscream_Vs_Primus.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Mother...]]

After Primus reveals the location of the fourth Planet Key, an Allspark-fueled [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] attacks Primus, intent on retrieving the Omega Lock. Primus manages to defend himself and easily defeat Starscream. {{Storylink|Balance}}

====Fun Publications ''Cybertron'' comic====

During the events of Transformers: Cybertron, the black hole created by Unicron's passing posed unique problems. Primus and Unicron -- representing Order and Chaos, respectively -- together forged a delicate balance in the multiverse. With one or the other missing, the balance would be upset, spiraling all that exists into an unknown doom.

In addition, the black hole was positioned very close to Cybertron itself, making Primus, despite Unicron's apparent demise, the most vulnerable he had ever been. Cybertron was the linchpin, the astral center of the entire multiverse, itself another singularity. Unicron's heralds [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] arrived on Cybertron to unleash the [[Dead Matrix]] on Primus' essence. For the first time ever, Unicron, who is normally limited to threatening Primus one reality at a time, would be able to weaken Primus across all timelines -- and the black hole's proximity would end their cosmic feud forever.

== IDW Continuity ==
[[Simon Furman]] has also stated that he may specifically exclude Primus and Unicron from the IDW comic universe as well, which might be seen as retconning out the previous retcon and rendering Primus as being once again a feature of only "some" Transformer continuities.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Primus''' (2004)
:The first Primus figure was a "Lucky Draw" toy in Japan, a recolored metallic [[Rodimus Prime]] that was given away as a contest prize from a collector book. Which was ''[[Transformers: Generations]]'', apparently.

===Cybertron===
*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-00'''

[[Image:Cybertron_Primus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.]]

:Cybertron Primus is the first toy representation of Transformers' Creator as their home planet of Cybertron. In planet mode, he is considerably more detailed than [[Unicron]] from the ''Armada'' line, with visible cities, including [[Iacon]] based upon its appearance in the DK Books ''Transformers Ultimate Guide'', and Kaon as seen in [[The War Within]]. On the 'bottom' of the planet mode there are four hard rubber legs, molded to be shaped like towers, allowing Primus to be displayed in planet mode, yet not require a flat base as Unicron did.

:Primus's transformation is unusual, in many ways similar to a [[Powermaster]], in that he requires the owner to insert his accompanying Omega Lock accessory into several special ports around the planet, then manipulate them to unlock his parts and transform him. When the Omega Lock is initially inserted and pushed, a transforming sound is heard. When it is inserted into his chest and pushed up to reveal his head, his eyes glow red and a laser-type sound effect is heard.

:In robot mode, Primus resembles both the [[Beast Wars Neo]] Unicron prototype as well as [[Don Figueroa]]'s Primus concept. He is bristling with weaponry, including two shoulder-mounted cannons that can fire missiles, two forearm blasters that raise and extend when a Cyber Planet Key is inserted, and several banks of gattling cannons, lasers and missile launchers in his shins and legs revealed by the Omega Lock.

:Primus also has a third mode, an intergalacticic world-ship. It is basically done by half-way transforming the figure, leaving the head down and the legs backward.

:Primus comes with two accessories, the aformentioned battery-operated Omega Lock that lights up red when inserted into any of the four Omega Lock ports, and a special silver Cybertron-Planet Cyber Planet Key. Any four Cyber Planet Keys can be inserted into the four key slots at the base of the Omega Lock, though doing this does not activate any feature.

:There are 9 Mini-Con [[hard point]]s on the Primus figure, including two on the claws on his legs. In respect of the Transformers storyline, this is highly unusual, since [[Unicron]] created the Mini-Cons (or the Gigantions, depending on how ''Cybertron'' is interpretted). Either way, they did not exist when he did, and the only real reason he could have them is the engineers attempting to revive a dead [[gimmick]].

:In North America, limited early-run versions of Cybertron Primus came packaged with a "battle damaged" Unicron head based upon his Armada appearance. It is still available on the Hasbro website as of March 29, 2007.

:A later version, exclusive to Wal-Mart as a [[Black Friday]] 2006 special, included four Mini-Cons; [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]], [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], and [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]].

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Optimus Primal (BW)

2007-04-09T06:21:43Z

220.239.53.31: /* Beast Wars */

{{Template:Disambig3|Optimus}}

:''Optimus Primal is a [[Maximal]] and an [[Autobot]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Optimusprimalbw.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Next one of you says "[[trukk not munky]]" gets it in the FACE.]]

Young and untested, '''Optimus Primal''' was a mere captain of an exploration ship when he and his crew were diverted off-course to pursue a stolen Predacon ship. The rest, they say, is (literally) history.

Though he does have a penchant for stuffy speeches, Optimus Primal is much more down-to-earth than his legendary [[Optimus Prime (G1)|namesake]]. He is committed to the Maximal codes of honor and moral judgment, but he does view them with some irreverence, and is not above finding loopholes or administering unorthodox solutions if necessary. ("Sometimes, crazy works," he says.) He is eternally loyal to his friends and respectful to his enemies. He is brave and selfless in battle. However, he is so committed to helping others that he can withdraw into a deep depression when he feels he has let them down. This is the only time he is self-absorbed.

Optimus Primal is extraordinary for not only being able to distinguish himself despite living in the shadow of Optimus Prime, but for perhaps even surpassing him. It is possible Optimus Primal is the greatest Cybertronian hero who has ever lived.

''European-market name:'' '''Blackjack''' <br>
''Japanese name:'' '''(Beast) Convoy'''

==Fiction==

===Optimus Primal VS Megatron pack-in comic===

Under the eerie shadows of a full moon Optimus Primal, a gigantic bat, [[Cheetor]], a swift-stalking cheetah, and [[Razorbeast]], a fearsome wild boar, hunt purposely through the depths of a jungle. Soon Optimus detects the thermal emissions and fusion activity from a building, which mean they've found their target. His motion sensors register what appears to be a harmless [[Earth]] creature below.

Before Optimus realizes his mistake the alligator lashes out with as smashing swipe of its tail, knocking Optimus into the swampy waters. The beast transformers and [[Megatron]] towers above him. The building ahead is the Predacon's genetics lab and he'll never let Optimus reach the secrets inside. He orders his troops to attack and everyone transforms to robot mode. The gigantic insects Tarrantulas and Waspinator engage Razorbeast and Cheetor respectively while Optimus and Megatron face off.

Optimus brags that the Maximal ''"[[bio-genetic morphing process]] has allowed us to create the perfect fusion of organic musculature and Transformers technology!"'' Megatron responds that his side did all that too, so nan-neh, but used the DNA of Earth's most vicious predators. When Optimus notes that the Maximals seem to be getting the upper hand, Megatron immediately detonates the lab and escapes, vowing to return with new forms and new plans when the Maximals least expect it. The Beast Wars have just begun!

''('''Note:''' This comic, along with the techspec bios of the first wave of Beast Wars toys, predate the development of the Beast Wars cartoon and its backstory. Instead they seem to present the characters as a direct continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict, with Optimus Primal actually being a new form of Optimus Prime and Megatron being his Generation 1 counterpart, and their battles taking place on present day, [[human]]-inhabited Earth, rather than in the distant past. Once the cartoon launched, the toyline adjusted itself to match that continuity instead, relegating this one to a semi-apocrypal [[micro-continuity]].) ''

===American animated continuity===
====''Timelines: Dawn of Future's Past''====
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwtimelines.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Pre-fur Optimus Primal, Maximal nobody.]]

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====''Beast Wars''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Gary Chalk]] (US), [[Takehito Koyasu]] (Japan)

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws1robot.jpg|left|thumb|Don't need no stinkin' shadows.]]

Optimus Primal was the captain of the exploration ship [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] when his crew got word that the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] criminal [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had stolen the [[Golden Disk]] and a [[Darkside|ship]] with [[transwarp]] capabilities. Primal's was the closest vessel that also possessed a transwarp drive, so the ''Axalon'' was sent to engage them. Primal followed the Predacons through a transwarp portal and appeared above a mysterious planet, but both ships were damaged in the ensuing space battle, and before both ships crashed into the planet's surface below, Primal ordered that the [[stasis pod]]s carrying the rest of his crew to be ejected into orbit.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws1ape.jpg|100px|right|thumb|This ape's for you. He's comin' atcha.]]

The planet was rich with [[energon]] -- so much so that prolonged exposure would short out their bodies, so the Maximals and Predacons were forced to take organic forms from the local creatures. Primal took the form of a silverback gorilla. Estranged from his comrades, the Predacon [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] challenged Primal to a duel soon after their arrival, seeking command of the Maximals so he could, in turn, defeat Megatron. Primal won both the duel and Dinobot's respect, and Dinobot joined their ranks.

Both sides entrenched themselves on their new world and the "Beast Wars" began. Strange unnatural sites and artifacts were discovered, leading Primal and the others to believe that aliens had seeded the primitive planet with experiments and traps. One such trap, the [[Standing Stones]], ensnared Primal's body for a short time, during which the Maximals scrambled to ascertain their chain of command. In his absence, the Maximals squabbled and fought over leadership, until finally his core consciousness was able to speak to them and name [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] as his replacement. Primal's body was subsequently retrieved from the Standing Stones, and he resumed command.

When [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] discovered evidence of the [[Vok]]'s imminent arrival, Megatron called a truce, which Primal reluctantly agreed to. While investigating a newly-created Vok installation, Primal was tortured and captured by the aliens, who spoke to him (in the form of [[Unicron]]) and told him of their plans to 'sterilize' the planet. Barely escaping the Vok base, Primal returned to the Axalon to find it overrun by [[Tarantulas]] and [[Blackarachnia]], who had turned a space stasis pod into an escape ship, in order to flee the doomed planet. As the planet's second moon was converted into a [[Planet Buster]], Primal took the ship to do battle with the superweapon, against the objections of his crew. Primal planned to detonate the ship's [[transwarp cell]] when in range of the weapon, after ejecting to safety. The plan worked - with the exception of the 'ejecting' part. Megatron remotely seized control of the vessel, overriding Primal's ejection commands. The Predacon commander taunted Primal as he futilely beat his fists against the pod, until the detonation obliterated the pod, the Planet Buster, and Primal, reducing them all to so much space junk.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws2robot.jpg|left|thumb|Transmetal Rippedimus Primal]]

Primal's [[Spark]] journeyed to the [[Allspark (dimension)|Matrix]], where it was soon recovered by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and placed in a [[blank]] [[protoform]], which became his new [[Transmetal]] body. Primal now transformed into a mechanical gorilla with a gorilla-on-a-hoverboard third mode.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws2ape.jpg|100px|right|thumb|This ape's for you. He wants to love you.]]
Later on, Primal was captured and imprisoned in [[Metal Hunter|yet another Vok base]], this one controlled by his archnemesis Megatron. During a daring rescue attempt by the Maximals and Tarantulas, Optimus engaged in a furious battle with Megatron, destroying both the Metal Hunter and the alien disc. The Maximals then suffered a number of setbacks, including the death of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], the destruction of [[Transmutate]], and Megatron's acquisition of the deadly [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]]. However, the Maximals were soon greeted with good news; the realization that the [[transwarp wavefront]] created by the destruction of the Planet Buster would lead Cybertron to them, in order to mount a rescue operation. Help arrived soon enough, but in the unexpected form of the rebuilt [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], who had come to arrest Megatron for his crimes against the [[Pax Cybertronia]]. In the midst of this, Primal was forced to chastize new recruit [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] for his dangerous relationship with Blackarachnia. Primal assisted Ravage in arresting Megatron, but was soon betrayed by the ex-[[Decepticon]], allowing Megatron to escape and reach the [[Ark]], in an attempt to assassinate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]].

[[Image:Opop05.jpg|200px|left|thumb|Heart Burn, heart burn!!!!!.]]
Primal was forced to take the great Autobot's Spark inside himself to keep it protected. This caused his body to grow larger and stronger, gaining ground and air vehicle modes along with his previous gorilla form. This new "Optimal Optimus" successfully protected Prime's spark until it could be returned to his repaired body, saving history and the future from destruction.

[[Image:Opop04.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Tally Me Banana!!.]]
With the location of the Ark revealed, and Megatron now desperate to end the war at any cost, Primal was forced to move his Maximals into the volcano where the Ark's hull lay. This new, defensive war was much more difficult to fight, and disadvantaged the Maximals severely. With the loss of their defense system, [[Sentinel]], the awkward and violent maturation of Cheetor, proto-humans to guard, and the introduction of the previously treacherous and morally ambiguous Blackarachnia into their ranks, Optimus Primal had more than his share of problems to deal with.

The tide was finally turned when the Vok resurrected and combined [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Tigatron]] into the mighty [[Tigerhawk]], who obliterated the Predacon base. In the end, Primal's forces defeated Megatron's, and with the captured Predacon leader strapped to the roof of a borrowed Autobot shuttle, the Beast Warriors at last headed home.

====Beast Machines====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Gary Chalk]] (US), [[Takehito Koyasu]] (Japan)

Optimus Primal suddenly finds himself alone on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], back in his original organic gorilla body, unfamiliar with how he arrived there, and pursued by an army of tank drones. A supernatural force lead him to [[Rattrap]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Blackarachnia]], and though all four appeared to be succumbing to the effects of a deadly virus that keept them from transforming into their robot modes, he was able to lead them to the legendary [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]]. The Oracle reformated them into new [[technorganic]] forms that were immune to the virus.

Eventually, Primal and his allies learned that Megatron broke free durring their Transwarp flight home and so arrived on Cybertron before them. Megatron conquered the planet and laid a trap for Primal's crew and any other Transformers returning to Cybertron.

During the events that followed, Optimus Primal came to be much more in touch with his spiritual side than he ever was before, due to an almost mystical connection to the Oracle. This granted him visions and intuitions, guiding him to complete its designs. Though he had some trouble at first comprehending just what the Oracle wanted and how to go about it, he was, in the end, successful. Optimus Primal sacrificed his life, plunging with Megatron into the heart of Cybertron and innitiating the reformating that returned the deactivated population to life and gave birth to the new technorganic Cybertron.

====''Robots in Disguise''====
When a spirit guide was needed to counsel the [[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] of a past, alternate reality, Optimus Primal rose to the task.

====''Universe''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Garry Chalk]] (US, script reading)
His sacrifice to end Megatron's evil and restore Cybertron was not the final battle for Optimus Primal. When the machinations of [[Unicron]] led to a new conflict, with Transformers abducted from across the multiverse forced to fight for Unicron's benefit, [[Vector Sigma]] and [[Alpha Trion]] chose Optimus Primal to lead the [[Children of Primus]] against this threat. Primal was returned to life, and chose his old comrades [[Depth Charge]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] to return as well and aid him. (Returning Primal to life, however, also resulted in the resurrection of his old foe Megatron.)

====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|right|thumb|It's 11pm -- do you know where your Beast Wars cast is?]]

[[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] recalled the end of the ''[[Universe]]'' conflict, where Optimus Primal led an assault on the [[Minions of Unicron]]. But due to [[Unicron]]'s sudden instability, Primal was victorious, and was able to escape back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with his troops and rescue a number of Unicron-corrupted innocents.

''('''Note''': Unknown to Primal, Unicron's dispersion was caused by the [[Unicron Singularity|Grand Black Hole]] in an alternate timeline.)''

===Japanese animated continuity===

====''Beast Wars II''====
[[Image:Burningconvoy.jpg|thumb|left|All these compliments are making me blush.]]
=====Movie=====
Optimus Primal was summoned across time by [[Lio Junior]] to help [[Leo Prime]] destroy [[Majin Zarak]]. Optimus Primal became '''Burning Convoy''' by joining the power of his matrix with Leo Prime's.

After Majin Zarak's destruction, Optimus Primal returned to ancient [[Earth]].

''('''Note''': The events of the ''Beast Wars II'' movie, especially Optimus Primal having an [[Energon Matrix]], did not occur in American continuity. It's not clear when during the Beast Wars Optimus Primal was taken.)''

=====Manga=====

When Leo Prime goes nuts and grows to giant proportions, wreaking havok across the landscape, Optimus Primal is summoned across time by the power of the Matrix to heal him.

====''Robot Masters''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Yuto Kazama]] (Japan)

Optimus Primal chased Megatron in yet another time warp into the Generation 1 era. There, he met and joined forces with the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Together, their special attack was a massive energon tornado called Double Convoy Tornado. The Double Convoy Tornado would come to be countered by [[Megatron (BW)|Beast Megatron]]'s and [[Megatron (G1)|Rebirth Megatron]]'s Double Megatron Tornado, but emerge victorious with the addition of Leo Prime's Lio Typhoon Arrow, creating Triple Convoy Tornado Link attack.

He also had a temporary virus-induced Black Body form.

''('''Note''': Since both were known as simply "Convoy" in their respective Japanese series, Optimus Prime was designated "G1 Convoy" while Optimus Primal was designated "Beast Convoy".)''

===''Beast Wars Metals'' manga continuity===

Optimus Primal, who was killed while destroying the Vok Planet Buster, is resurrected as a sparkless monster using a voodoo ceremony. Rhinox rescues Primal's spark from Transwarp Space and restores him to his body.

Later, he eats Optimus Prime's spark.

''The Metals Manga takes Primal's manic action hero side to the next level. He once put a bomb in his mouth and tricked the cannibalistic [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] into eating his head. "I have a spare," he says casually, transforming to beast mode.''

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-6'''

:The first Optimus Primal was a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removeable from under its wings for use as weaponry in robot mode. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:Whether this toy can be considered the Optimus Primal character is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Optimus Primal as a separate entity from Optimus Prime, the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series' [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting [[Micro-Continuities|micro-continuities]].

:This mould was also used to make Convobat (who may or may not be a separate character), and [[Onyx Primal]].

* '''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''

[[Image:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Yes, missiles come out of his butt.]]

: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic transformation, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in its fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barrelled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of its back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or swing, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"mutant head" could be deployed over its robot head.

[[Image:prizeprimals.jpg|100px|thumb|right|Brass monkeys.]]

: Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. In January of 1998, the re-did many of the toys with a few alterations; for Optimus, they changed the black to dark gray and the blue to metallic blue. The missiles for the Takara version are also thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Universe]]'' Optimus Primal, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''Tele-V Magazine'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''Tele-V'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), blue-fur (a ''Comics Bom Bom'' design-contest prize, only five awarded), and colorless-clear with silver paint details (Toys 'R' Us retail [[exclusive]]).

*'''Convobat vs Megaligator'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
:This figure is a red [[redeco]] of Primal's first bat form, and was sold with a purple redeco of Gator Megatron.

*'''Orcanoch''' ([[Microverse]], 1997)
: Part of the Microverse toyline, this orca transforms into a Maximal base. It came with tiny, non-transforming versions of Optimus Primal and Tarantulas.

* '''Optimus Primal''' (Mega Transmetal, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-40'''

: [[Transmetal]] Optimus Primal is a mechanical gorilla that transforms into a partially organic robot. Like all Transmetals, it featured chromed plastic and a third vehicle-inspired mode -- in Primal's case, its gorilla mode could transform into a gorilla on a hoverboard. Two maces stored on his back, which could double as missiles for its hip-holstered blaster.

: [[Takara]]'s version of the toy exchanged the brown plastic for translucent maroon, and was also available in a set with Transmetal Megatron.

: This mold was used to make [[Apelinq]].

* '''Optimal Optimus''' (Super Transmetal, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-47'''

: Transmetal Optimal Optimus was the first toy in the Super size class, featuring electronics and four transformations -- robot, ape, jet, and armored transport. When a back section of the cannon module was pulled, its eyes and shoulder-mounted missile launchers lit up and fired. It came with four missiles, two of which stored on its legs. Its forearms featured blast-away armor plates that could also be pegged to its upper arms.

:Optimal Optimus's techspecs states that he has Cybertronian "air guardian" technology and twin scramjet modules. [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s function was Air Guardian, and his techspecs said he had these same scramjet modules.

: This mold was used to make [[Primal Prime]].

===Beast Wars II===
* '''Burning Convoy'''

===Beast Machines===
* '''Optimus Primal''' (Deluxe, 2000)
: The first Beast Machines Optimus Primal was a dark bronze and translucent blue technorganic gorilla that transformed into a technorganic robot. Its arm was springloaded to throw the shuriken that stored in its shoulder. Like all ''Beast Machines'' toys, it had a hidden "spark crystal" that displayed his faction allegiance.
* '''Blast Punch Optimus Primal''' (Mega, 2001)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-01'''

===Robots in Disguise===
* '''Air Attack Optimus Primal''' (Supreme, 2002)
Intended for release in the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toyline, this delayed figure is by far the most show-accurate version of BM Optimus. Unfortunately, being a supreme-class toy he is grossly, indeed ''uselessly'' out of [[scale]] with his fellow Maximal figures. Or pretty much anyone for that matter. Still he looks swank, and he talks! With [[Gary Chalk]]'s voice!!!

===Universe===
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 2003)

===Robot Masters===
*'''Beast Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-11'''

*'''Beast Convoy Limited Black Version'''

: Available only via mail order through ''Hobby Japan'' magazine

* '''Burning Beast Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-21'''
:This toy referrs to the ''Beast Wars II'' movie form where he partnered Leo Prime, turning them into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy respectively.

===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwx.jpg|left|thumb|125px|''Surf monkey/ that funky monkey'']]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (2006)

: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary (BWX) Optimus Primal is a new toy design based loosely on his original ultra ape action figure. It comes with a hoverboard that fires a missile when a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted. The board also features a spring-loaded extending "assault blade" (or "ass lt blade" as the directions call it). Though it is not ''intended'' to be removed, the blade can be popped off and held in Primal's hand thanks to his posable thumbs.

[[Image:PrimalXsword.jpg|100px|thumb|Opposable thumbs!]]

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed and released as [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. It's worth noting that the scuplt for both BW10 leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Toys "R" Us, 2006)
:Identical to the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' set as detailed below, but in new packaging with a DVD of the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Possession]]."

===Beast Wars Reborn===
[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwrebornheads.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Staring contest -- go!]]
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''

[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwreborn.jpg|left|thumb|100px|The eighth Optimus of the world... PRIMAL!]]

: This release is a [[retool]] of the original 1996 Ultra toy, with new heads and robot chest sculpted to match the television series' portrayal. The color scheme was also altered to be show-accurate, changing the black to dark gray, much of the light gray to medium gray with hints of bronze, primary red to crimson, and blue to a more dull steel blue. This figure came packaged with a similarly-remolded [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and a [[Golden Disk]] CD-ROM that contains control art for a number of ''Beast Wars'' toys.

===Titanium Series===
* '''Optimus Primal''' (3" Robot Master figurine)
Features Primal in his Beast Wars Season 1 appearance, with swords drawn in an action pose.

* '''Optimal Optimus''' (6" Transformable figure)

For undetirmined reasons, this incarnation of Optimal Optimus does not include the Beast Mode. Some fans have identified it more as a representative of [[Megatron]] from the final episodes of [[Beast Machines]] than as Optimus Primal.

===Timelines===
* '''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Boxset, BotCon 2006)

===Merchandise===

==Trivia==
* Primal's gorilla mode, paired against [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s t-rex mode, was inspired by the showdown in [[wikipedia:King Kong|King Kong]]. 
* According to a guide book published in conjunction with the ''Beast Wars II'' theatrical film, Optimus Primal's original body had the following technical specifications. The veracity of these numbers in relation to anything actually featuring Primal, of course, is questionable.

:Height: 2.8m (9.19 feet).
:Weight: 2 tons.
:Running Speed: 60km (37.28 mph, beast mode), 50km (31.07 mph, robot mode).
:Airspeed: Mach 7.
:Maximum Power Output: 1,000,000 horsepower.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm Optimus Primal at TFU.info]

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Optimus Primal (BW)

2007-04-09T06:12:14Z

220.239.53.31: /* Optimus Primal VS Megatron pack-in comic */

{{Template:Disambig3|Optimus}}

:''Optimus Primal is a [[Maximal]] and an [[Autobot]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Optimusprimalbw.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Next one of you says "[[trukk not munky]]" gets it in the FACE.]]

Young and untested, '''Optimus Primal''' was a mere captain of an exploration ship when he and his crew were diverted off-course to pursue a stolen Predacon ship. The rest, they say, is (literally) history.

Though he does have a penchant for stuffy speeches, Optimus Primal is much more down-to-earth than his legendary [[Optimus Prime (G1)|namesake]]. He is committed to the Maximal codes of honor and moral judgment, but he does view them with some irreverence, and is not above finding loopholes or administering unorthodox solutions if necessary. ("Sometimes, crazy works," he says.) He is eternally loyal to his friends and respectful to his enemies. He is brave and selfless in battle. However, he is so committed to helping others that he can withdraw into a deep depression when he feels he has let them down. This is the only time he is self-absorbed.

Optimus Primal is extraordinary for not only being able to distinguish himself despite living in the shadow of Optimus Prime, but for perhaps even surpassing him. It is possible Optimus Primal is the greatest Cybertronian hero who has ever lived.

''European-market name:'' '''Blackjack''' <br>
''Japanese name:'' '''(Beast) Convoy'''

==Fiction==

===Optimus Primal VS Megatron pack-in comic===

Under the eerie shadows of a full moon Optimus Primal, a gigantic bat, [[Cheetor]], a swift-stalking cheetah, and [[Razorbeast]], a fearsome wild boar, hunt purposely through the depths of a jungle. Soon Optimus detects the thermal emissions and fusion activity from a building, which mean they've found their target. His motion sensors register what appears to be a harmless [[Earth]] creature below.

Before Optimus realizes his mistake the alligator lashes out with as smashing swipe of its tail, knocking Optimus into the swampy waters. The beast transformers and [[Megatron]] towers above him. The building ahead is the Predacon's genetics lab and he'll never let Optimus reach the secrets inside. He orders his troops to attack and everyone transforms to robot mode. The gigantic insects Tarrantulas and Waspinator engage Razorbeast and Cheetor respectively while Optimus and Megatron face off.

Optimus brags that the Maximal ''"[[bio-genetic morphing process]] has allowed us to create the perfect fusion of organic musculature and Transformers technology!"'' Megatron responds that his side did all that too, so nan-neh, but used the DNA of Earth's most vicious predators. When Optimus notes that the Maximals seem to be getting the upper hand, Megatron immediately detonates the lab and escapes, vowing to return with new forms and new plans when the Maximals least expect it. The Beast Wars have just begun!

''('''Note:''' This comic, along with the techspec bios of the first wave of Beast Wars toys, predate the development of the Beast Wars cartoon and its backstory. Instead they seem to present the characters as a direct continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict, with Optimus Primal actually being a new form of Optimus Prime and Megatron being his Generation 1 counterpart, and their battles taking place on present day, [[human]]-inhabited Earth, rather than in the distant past. Once the cartoon launched, the toyline adjusted itself to match that continuity instead, relegating this one to a semi-apocrypal [[micro-continuity]].) ''

===American animated continuity===
====''Timelines: Dawn of Future's Past''====
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwtimelines.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Pre-fur Optimus Primal, Maximal nobody.]]

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====''Beast Wars''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Gary Chalk]] (US), [[Takehito Koyasu]] (Japan)

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws1robot.jpg|left|thumb|Don't need no stinkin' shadows.]]

Optimus Primal was the captain of the exploration ship [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] when his crew got word that the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] criminal [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had stolen the [[Golden Disk]] and a [[Darkside|ship]] with [[transwarp]] capabilities. Primal's was the closest vessel that also possessed a transwarp drive, so the ''Axalon'' was sent to engage them. Primal followed the Predacons through a transwarp portal and appeared above a mysterious planet, but both ships were damaged in the ensuing space battle, and before both ships crashed into the planet's surface below, Primal ordered that the [[stasis pod]]s carrying the rest of his crew to be ejected into orbit.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws1ape.jpg|100px|right|thumb|This ape's for you. He's comin' atcha.]]

The planet was rich with [[energon]] -- so much so that prolonged exposure would short out their bodies, so the Maximals and Predacons were forced to take organic forms from the local creatures. Primal took the form of a silverback gorilla. Estranged from his comrades, the Predacon [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] challenged Primal to a duel soon after their arrival, seeking command of the Maximals so he could, in turn, defeat Megatron. Primal won both the duel and Dinobot's respect, and Dinobot joined their ranks.

Both sides entrenched themselves on their new world and the "Beast Wars" began. Strange unnatural sites and artifacts were discovered, leading Primal and the others to believe that aliens had seeded the primitive planet with experiments and traps. One such trap, the [[Standing Stones]], ensnared Primal's body for a short time, during which the Maximals scrambled to ascertain their chain of command. In his absence, the Maximals squabbled and fought over leadership, until finally his core consciousness was able to speak to them and name [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] as his replacement. Primal's body was subsequently retrieved from the Standing Stones, and he resumed command.

When [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] discovered evidence of the [[Vok]]'s imminent arrival, Megatron called a truce, which Primal reluctantly agreed to. While investigating a newly-created Vok installation, Primal was tortured and captured by the aliens, who spoke to him (in the form of [[Unicron]]) and told him of their plans to 'sterilize' the planet. Barely escaping the Vok base, Primal returned to the Axalon to find it overrun by [[Tarantulas]] and [[Blackarachnia]], who had turned a space stasis pod into an escape ship, in order to flee the doomed planet. As the planet's second moon was converted into a [[Planet Buster]], Primal took the ship to do battle with the superweapon, against the objections of his crew. Primal planned to detonate the ship's [[transwarp cell]] when in range of the weapon, after ejecting to safety. The plan worked - with the exception of the 'ejecting' part. Megatron remotely seized control of the vessel, overriding Primal's ejection commands. The Predacon commander taunted Primal as he futilely beat his fists against the pod, until the detonation obliterated the pod, the Planet Buster, and Primal, reducing them all to so much space junk.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws2robot.jpg|left|thumb|Transmetal Rippedimus Primal]]

Primal's [[Spark]] journeyed to the [[Allspark (dimension)|Matrix]], where it was soon recovered by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and placed in a [[blank]] [[protoform]], which became his new [[Transmetal]] body. Primal now transformed into a mechanical gorilla with a gorilla-on-a-hoverboard third mode.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws2ape.jpg|100px|right|thumb|This ape's for you. He wants to love you.]]
Later on, Primal was captured and imprisoned in [[Metal Hunter|yet another Vok base]], this one controlled by his archnemesis Megatron. During a daring rescue attempt by the Maximals and Tarantulas, Optimus engaged in a furious battle with Megatron, destroying both the Metal Hunter and the alien disc. The Maximals then suffered a number of setbacks, including the death of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], the destruction of [[Transmutate]], and Megatron's acquisition of the deadly [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]]. However, the Maximals were soon greeted with good news; the realization that the [[transwarp wavefront]] created by the destruction of the Planet Buster would lead Cybertron to them, in order to mount a rescue operation. Help arrived soon enough, but in the unexpected form of the rebuilt [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], who had come to arrest Megatron for his crimes against the [[Pax Cybertronia]]. In the midst of this, Primal was forced to chastize new recruit [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] for his dangerous relationship with Blackarachnia. Primal assisted Ravage in arresting Megatron, but was soon betrayed by the ex-[[Decepticon]], allowing Megatron to escape and reach the [[Ark]], in an attempt to assassinate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]].

[[Image:Opop05.jpg|200px|left|thumb|Heart Burn, heart burn!!!!!.]]
Primal was forced to take the great Autobot's Spark inside himself to keep it protected. This caused his body to grow larger and stronger, gaining ground and air vehicle modes along with his previous gorilla form. This new "Optimal Optimus" successfully protected Prime's spark until it could be returned to his repaired body, saving history and the future from destruction.

[[Image:Opop04.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Tally Me Banana!!.]]
With the location of the Ark revealed, and Megatron now desperate to end the war at any cost, Primal was forced to move his Maximals into the volcano where the Ark's hull lay. This new, defensive war was much more difficult to fight, and disadvantaged the Maximals severely. With the loss of their defense system, [[Sentinel]], the awkward and violent maturation of Cheetor, proto-humans to guard, and the introduction of the previously treacherous and morally ambiguous Blackarachnia into their ranks, Optimus Primal had more than his share of problems to deal with.

The tide was finally turned when the Vok resurrected and combined [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Tigatron]] into the mighty [[Tigerhawk]], who obliterated the Predacon base. In the end, Primal's forces defeated Megatron's, and with the captured Predacon leader strapped to the roof of a borrowed Autobot shuttle, the Beast Warriors at last headed home.

====Beast Machines====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Gary Chalk]] (US), [[Takehito Koyasu]] (Japan)

Optimus Primal suddenly finds himself alone on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], back in his original organic gorilla body, unfamiliar with how he arrived there, and pursued by an army of tank drones. A supernatural force lead him to [[Rattrap]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Blackarachnia]], and though all four appeared to be succumbing to the effects of a deadly virus that keept them from transforming into their robot modes, he was able to lead them to the legendary [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]]. The Oracle reformated them into new [[technorganic]] forms that were immune to the virus.

Eventually, Primal and his allies learned that Megatron broke free durring their Transwarp flight home and so arrived on Cybertron before them. Megatron conquered the planet and laid a trap for Primal's crew and any other Transformers returning to Cybertron.

During the events that followed, Optimus Primal came to be much more in touch with his spiritual side than he ever was before, due to an almost mystical connection to the Oracle. This granted him visions and intuitions, guiding him to complete its designs. Though he had some trouble at first comprehending just what the Oracle wanted and how to go about it, he was, in the end, successful. Optimus Primal sacrificed his life, plunging with Megatron into the heart of Cybertron and innitiating the reformating that returned the deactivated population to life and gave birth to the new technorganic Cybertron.

====''Robots in Disguise''====
When a spirit guide was needed to counsel the [[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] of a past, alternate reality, Optimus Primal rose to the task.

====''Universe''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Garry Chalk]] (US, script reading)
His sacrifice to end Megatron's evil and restore Cybertron was not the final battle for Optimus Primal. When the machinations of [[Unicron]] led to a new conflict, with Transformers abducted from across the multiverse forced to fight for Unicron's benefit, [[Vector Sigma]] and [[Alpha Trion]] chose Optimus Primal to lead the [[Children of Primus]] against this threat. Primal was returned to life, and chose his old comrades [[Depth Charge]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] to return as well and aid him. (Returning Primal to life, however, also resulted in the resurrection of his old foe Megatron.)

====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|right|thumb|It's 11pm -- do you know where your Beast Wars cast is?]]

[[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] recalled the end of the ''[[Universe]]'' conflict, where Optimus Primal led an assault on the [[Minions of Unicron]]. But due to [[Unicron]]'s sudden instability, Primal was victorious, and was able to escape back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with his troops and rescue a number of Unicron-corrupted innocents.

''('''Note''': Unknown to Primal, Unicron's dispersion was caused by the [[Unicron Singularity|Grand Black Hole]] in an alternate timeline.)''

===Japanese animated continuity===

====''Beast Wars II''====
[[Image:Burningconvoy.jpg|thumb|left|All these compliments are making me blush.]]
=====Movie=====
Optimus Primal was summoned across time by [[Lio Junior]] to help [[Leo Prime]] destroy [[Majin Zarak]]. Optimus Primal became '''Burning Convoy''' by joining the power of his matrix with Leo Prime's.

After Majin Zarak's destruction, Optimus Primal returned to ancient [[Earth]].

''('''Note''': The events of the ''Beast Wars II'' movie, especially Optimus Primal having an [[Energon Matrix]], did not occur in American continuity. It's not clear when during the Beast Wars Optimus Primal was taken.)''

=====Manga=====

When Leo Prime goes nuts and grows to giant proportions, wreaking havok across the landscape, Optimus Primal is summoned across time by the power of the Matrix to heal him.

====''Robot Masters''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Yuto Kazama]] (Japan)

Optimus Primal chased Megatron in yet another time warp into the Generation 1 era. There, he met and joined forces with the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Together, their special attack was a massive energon tornado called Double Convoy Tornado. The Double Convoy Tornado would come to be countered by [[Megatron (BW)|Beast Megatron]]'s and [[Megatron (G1)|Rebirth Megatron]]'s Double Megatron Tornado, but emerge victorious with the addition of Leo Prime's Lio Typhoon Arrow, creating Triple Convoy Tornado Link attack.

He also had a temporary virus-induced Black Body form.

''('''Note''': Since both were known as simply "Convoy" in their respective Japanese series, Optimus Prime was designated "G1 Convoy" while Optimus Primal was designated "Beast Convoy".)''

===''Beast Wars Metals'' manga continuity===

Optimus Primal, who was killed while destroying the Vok Planet Buster, is resurrected as a sparkless monster using a voodoo ceremony. Rhinox rescues Primal's spark from Transwarp Space and restores him to his body.

Later, he eats Optimus Prime's spark.

''The Metals Manga takes Primal's manic action hero side to the next level. He once put a bomb in his mouth and tricked the cannibalistic [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] into eating his head. "I have a spare," he says casually, transforming to beast mode.''

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-6'''

:The first Optimus Primal was a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removeable from under its wings for use as weaponry in robot mode. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:Whether this toy can be considered the Optimus Primal character is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Optimus Primal as a separate entity from Optimus Prime, the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series' [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting [[Micro-Continuities|micro-continuities]].

:This mold was also used to make [[Onyx Primal]].

* '''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''

[[Image:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Yes, missiles come out of his butt.]]

: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic transformation, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in its fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barrelled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of its back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or swing, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"mutant head" could be deployed over its robot head.

[[Image:prizeprimals.jpg|100px|thumb|right|Brass monkeys.]]

: Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. In January of 1998, the re-did many of the toys with a few alterations; for Optimus, they changed the black to dark gray and the blue to metallic blue. The missiles for the Takara version are also thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Universe]]'' Optimus Primal, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''Tele-V Magazine'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''Tele-V'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), blue-fur (a ''Comics Bom Bom'' design-contest prize, only five awarded), and colorless-clear with silver paint details (Toys 'R' Us retail [[exclusive]]).

*'''Convobat vs Megaligator'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
:This figure is a red [[redeco]] of Primal's first bat form, and was sold with a purple redeco of Gator Megatron.

*'''Orcanoch''' ([[Microverse]], 1997)
: Part of the Microverse toyline, this orca transforms into a Maximal base. It came with tiny, non-transforming versions of Optimus Primal and Tarantulas.

* '''Optimus Primal''' (Mega Transmetal, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-40'''

: [[Transmetal]] Optimus Primal is a mechanical gorilla that transforms into a partially organic robot. Like all Transmetals, it featured chromed plastic and a third vehicle-inspired mode -- in Primal's case, its gorilla mode could transform into a gorilla on a hoverboard. Two maces stored on his back, which could double as missiles for its hip-holstered blaster.

: [[Takara]]'s version of the toy exchanged the brown plastic for translucent maroon, and was also available in a set with Transmetal Megatron.

: This mold was used to make [[Apelinq]].

* '''Optimal Optimus''' (Super Transmetal, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-47'''

: Transmetal Optimal Optimus was the first toy in the Super size class, featuring electronics and four transformations -- robot, ape, jet, and armored transport. When a back section of the cannon module was pulled, its eyes and shoulder-mounted missile launchers lit up and fired. It came with four missiles, two of which stored on its legs. Its forearms featured blast-away armor plates that could also be pegged to its upper arms.

:Optimal Optimus's techspecs states that he has Cybertronian "air guardian" technology and twin scramjet modules. [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s function was Air Guardian, and his techspecs said he had these same scramjet modules.

: This mold was used to make [[Primal Prime]].

===Beast Wars II===
* '''Burning Convoy'''

===Beast Machines===
* '''Optimus Primal''' (Deluxe, 2000)
: The first Beast Machines Optimus Primal was a dark bronze and translucent blue technorganic gorilla that transformed into a technorganic robot. Its arm was springloaded to throw the shuriken that stored in its shoulder. Like all ''Beast Machines'' toys, it had a hidden "spark crystal" that displayed his faction allegiance.
* '''Blast Punch Optimus Primal''' (Mega, 2001)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-01'''

===Robots in Disguise===
* '''Air Attack Optimus Primal''' (Supreme, 2002)
Intended for release in the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' toyline, this delayed figure is by far the most show-accurate version of BM Optimus. Unfortunately, being a supreme-class toy he is grossly, indeed ''uselessly'' out of [[scale]] with his fellow Maximal figures. Or pretty much anyone for that matter. Still he looks swank, and he talks! With [[Gary Chalk]]'s voice!!!

===Universe===
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 2003)

===Robot Masters===
*'''Beast Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-11'''

*'''Beast Convoy Limited Black Version'''

: Available only via mail order through ''Hobby Japan'' magazine

* '''Burning Beast Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-21'''
:This toy referrs to the ''Beast Wars II'' movie form where he partnered Leo Prime, turning them into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy respectively.

===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwx.jpg|left|thumb|125px|''Surf monkey/ that funky monkey'']]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (2006)

: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary (BWX) Optimus Primal is a new toy design based loosely on his original ultra ape action figure. It comes with a hoverboard that fires a missile when a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted. The board also features a spring-loaded extending "assault blade" (or "ass lt blade" as the directions call it). Though it is not ''intended'' to be removed, the blade can be popped off and held in Primal's hand thanks to his posable thumbs.

[[Image:PrimalXsword.jpg|100px|thumb|Opposable thumbs!]]

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed and released as [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. It's worth noting that the scuplt for both BW10 leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Toys "R" Us, 2006)
:Identical to the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' set as detailed below, but in new packaging with a DVD of the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Possession]]."

===Beast Wars Reborn===
[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwrebornheads.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Staring contest -- go!]]
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''

[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwreborn.jpg|left|thumb|100px|The eighth Optimus of the world... PRIMAL!]]

: This release is a [[retool]] of the original 1996 Ultra toy, with new heads and robot chest sculpted to match the television series' portrayal. The color scheme was also altered to be show-accurate, changing the black to dark gray, much of the light gray to medium gray with hints of bronze, primary red to crimson, and blue to a more dull steel blue. This figure came packaged with a similarly-remolded [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and a [[Golden Disk]] CD-ROM that contains control art for a number of ''Beast Wars'' toys.

===Titanium Series===
* '''Optimus Primal''' (3" Robot Master figurine)
Features Primal in his Beast Wars Season 1 appearance, with swords drawn in an action pose.

* '''Optimal Optimus''' (6" Transformable figure)

For undetirmined reasons, this incarnation of Optimal Optimus does not include the Beast Mode. Some fans have identified it more as a representative of [[Megatron]] from the final episodes of [[Beast Machines]] than as Optimus Primal.

===Timelines===
* '''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Boxset, BotCon 2006)

===Merchandise===

==Trivia==
* Primal's gorilla mode, paired against [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s t-rex mode, was inspired by the showdown in [[wikipedia:King Kong|King Kong]]. 
* According to a guide book published in conjunction with the ''Beast Wars II'' theatrical film, Optimus Primal's original body had the following technical specifications. The veracity of these numbers in relation to anything actually featuring Primal, of course, is questionable.

:Height: 2.8m (9.19 feet).
:Weight: 2 tons.
:Running Speed: 60km (37.28 mph, beast mode), 50km (31.07 mph, robot mode).
:Airspeed: Mach 7.
:Maximum Power Output: 1,000,000 horsepower.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm Optimus Primal at TFU.info]

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Transmetal

2007-04-04T08:05:50Z

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[[Image:Transmetal.JPG|thumb|182px|"Hey, I'm, uh, gorgeous!"]]
A '''Transmetal''' is a (generally) [[Vok]] related enhanced form of a [[Beast Wars]] era Transformer, featuring a "mutated superstructure".

==Normal Transmetal==
In beast mode, the Transmetals seemed almost, if not entirely, mechanical, much like the animal Transformers of the previous [[Generation 1]] franchise. However, as part of a partial "inversion", many of their robot modes bore organic elements, such as [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s furry chest. Transmetals also typically featured a third "mobility" mode. While not full vehicular modes, these half-modes gave aspects of a vehicle to the existing beast forms. Examples included Rattrap as a wheeled rat and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] as a jet-powered inline skating enthusiast.

===''Beast Wars'' animated series===
The Transmetals were created as a result of transformers being bathed in a [[quantum surge]] after the destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]]. All the Beast warriors who were not "born" from a [[protoform]] on Earth or shielded in a [[CR Chamber]] were altered. (Why Earth-"born" Transformers were immune to the surge's effects is unknown.)

The affected characters were Megatron, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Rattrap]], and [[Cheetor]]. [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] were in the middle of their mutation when they fell into lava pits beneath the ''[[Darkside]]'' and perished. [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]], and [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] also eventually became Transmetals as a result of the surge.

Most Transmetals had additional weapons and seemingly enhanced power levels. They were immune to many [[Vok]] weapons, and may even be immune to the effects of [[energon]] radiation.

This last point had little bearing on the plot, since most of the energon deposits on [[Earth]]'s surface had been destroyed by the Planet Buster cannon. However, in Tangled Web, Tarantulas is standing beneath an energon cache, completely unaffected. Meanwhile, in The Agenda, the non-Transmetal Inferno suffers energon overload while attempting to kill Optimus Primal and Cheetor. So immunity to the radiation may be a permanent effect of the Transmetal body.

According to [[Ben Yee]], the Transmetals were originally conceived of by ''Beast Wars'' writers as "absorbing" energon radiation and then needing to later discharge that energy, typically as weapon energy.<ref>Ben Yee's "Bad Spark" review, http://www.bwtf.com/bw/tvshow/episodes/seasontwo/badspark/</ref> However, the only time this was hinted at in the series was during "[[Bad Spark]]", when Cheetor "farts" a little energon cloud.

The [[Fuzor]]s [[Silverbolt (BW) (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] and [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], like the Transmetals, were shown to be immune to Vok technology, seemingly possessing qualities of Transmetals.

===Toys===
In addition to the characters mentioned above, Transmetal toys were also produced for [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], and technically [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (the [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]] toy was initially intended to be his TM form, and was so in Japan and the UK.) None of these appeared on the show.

Scorponok, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], though also not Transmetal in the show, were given their own Transmetal toys as Happy Meal pack-ins from McDonald's. [[Claw Jaw]] and [[Spittor]] were redecoed and sold as Transmetals in European markets with a VHS tape.

Initial Transmetal toys were not designed with guns, only melee weapons, contrary to the requirements of the animated series (kinda the opposite of the situation with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and co.'s toys vs. their comic book depictions). As a result, [[Mainframe]] was forced to come up with creative solutions to give these characters ranged weapons without diminishing the newly increased [[Show-accuracy|toy accuracy]] of the show. Thus, [[Tarantulas]]' handheld buzzsaw functioned like a gun and the green markings on his shoulders were depicted as machine-gun ports, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s pincer/whip/flail/"whiplash cutlass" thing (read: he's holding his damn tail) gained the ability to stiffen and fire like a cannon, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s hideous hands were capable of firing energy blasts, although only when placed together and thus temporarily making the halves of his beast-mode head whole, with the zaps emenating from its mouth.

Even more elaborate was the functional reconceptualisation of [[Optimus Primal]]'s toy, whose hoverboard thruster/mace launcher was used as a laser pistol. Not content with this rather puny-looking firearm, some clever cove at Mainframe noticed that his shoulder-pad and mace-stowing bracket thing can be flipped over his head (a function of his tranformation) and improperly positioned in such a way that the long handles of his dual maces point outwards like gun barrels and, with the shoulder-pads positioned over his outsreched fists like trigger-guards, the whole device is reimagined as something resembling two gattling guns mounted on a steadicam harness.

The only exception to these exotic reimaginings was [[Rattrap]], who used his tail/whip/spear as intended but also retained his pre-transmetal gun (albeit with a redeco to suit his new colour scheme) despite the fact that the toy did not.

As an odd point of comparision, the later Transmetal (although never realy identified as such) [[Optimal Optimus]] ''was'' packaged with a rifle, which he never used in the show.

==Transmetal 2==
[[Image:Dinobot2-postcard.jpg|right|thumb|Pose!]]
Near the end of the series, a new breed, known as '''Transmetal 2'''s appeared. These new forms blurred the line between the mechanical and the organic even further, with equal parts of both appearing in both modes in an asymmetrical patchwork like jumble. This often resulted in somewhat monstrous looking designs.

===''Beast Wars'' animated series===
Within the context of the television series, the idea of a Transmetal 2 was somewhat vague. Only Cheetor, [[Dinobot 2]], and Blackarachnia were definitely meant to be Transmetals 2. Each of them was altered by an enigmatic piece of Vok technology known as the "[[Transmetal Driver]]" which appeared early in season three. The exact origin and nature of the Driver is unknown.

Optimus Primal and Megatron also received new bodies in season three, in the same fashion as each other, but only Megatron's toy was labeled as a Transmetal 2. (Optimal Optimus was a normal Transmetal.) It is unclear whether, within the story of the cartoon, these bodies were meant to be similar to the bodies granted by the TM Driver. Both of their new bodies were the result of temporarily merging their [[spark]]s with the sparks of their ''[[Generation 1]]''-era counterparts, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|G1 Megatron]].

[[Tigerhawk (BW)|Tigerhawk]]'s toy was also labeled as Transmetal 2. His in-show origin involved both the fusing of two sparks, those of [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], and Vok technology.

The new forms for all of these characters, whether produced by the Transmetal Driver or by spark fusion, were portrayed as substantially more powerful than normal Transmetals.

===Toys===
According to their toy packages and bios, the Transmetals 2 were all the results of Megatron's cloning experiments. This roughly aligned with the beginning of the cartoon story, as the first Transmetal 2, Dinobot 2, was created by Megatron. This cloning experiment angle also helped to explain the presence of [[Optimus Minor]].

Unlike Transmetals, most Transmetals 2 did not have a third mode. Only the largest Transmetal 2 toys, Tigerhawk and Megatron, were designed to have more than two modes, but Megatron's was never featured in the TV show and Tigerhawk's was dropped entirely even from the toy. Neither vehicle mode was especially well-implemented.

Early on in the release of TM2 toys, the packaging used a Roman numeral "II", but a running change in the packaging was made to the Arabic number "2".

== IDW ''Beast Wars'' comic ==

In the IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics, a new group of Predacons traveled back to the Beast Wars era (taking place in the third season of the program around the episode "Changing of the Guard") and activated the remainder of the [[stasis pod]]s ejected from the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''. The Transformers who emerged from these pods included normal beast-form Transformers, Transmetals, and Transmetals 2.

All the Beast Wars characters/toys not featured in the original cartoon (barring a few that traveled back with [[Magmatron (BW)|Magmatron]]) were given this same origin regardless of their "Transmetal" status. It was not explained why their states differed, nor why their situation differed from the non-Transmetal Earth-"born" Transformers in the show.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category: Subgroups]]
[[Category: Transmetals| ]]
[[Category: Transmetals 2| ]]
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Shortpacking

2007-04-03T09:16:27Z

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A toy is said to be '''shortpacked''' when it is shipped in signifigantly lower numbers than the rest of its release wave.

A toy that is shortpacked is typically harder to find than other toys from the same assortment, since there are fewer of it produced. This rarity also makes it attractive to scalpers. If a shortpacked toy is also a highly desirable one to fans and/or collectors (for instance, if it represents a popular character who is rarely produced as a toy), then it can become ''extremely'' difficult to obtain.

Sometimes, toys which are shortpacked in one wave are released in greater numbers in a later wave.

Which tends to really piss off the collectors who bought from the scalpers, and delight those who didn't.
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Transmetal

2007-03-29T09:29:15Z

220.239.53.31: /* Toys */

[[Image:Transmetal.JPG|thumb|182px|"Hey, I'm, uh, gorgeous!"]]
A '''Transmetal''' is a (generally) [[Vok]] related enhanced form of a [[Beast Wars]] era Transformer, featuring a "mutated superstructure".

==Normal Transmetal==
In beast mode, the Transmetals seemed almost, if not entirely, mechanical, much like the animal Transformers of the previous [[Generation 1]] franchise. However, as part of a partial "inversion", many of their robot modes bore organic elements, such as [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s furry chest. Transmetals also typically featured a third "mobility" mode. While not full vehicular modes, these half-modes gave aspects of a vehicle to the existing beast forms. Examples included Rattrap as a wheeled rat and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] as a jet-powered inline skating enthusiast.

===''Beast Wars'' animated series===
The Transmetals were created as a result of transformers being bathed in a [[quantum surge]] after the destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]]. All the Beast warriors who were not "born" from a [[protoform]] on Earth or shielded in a [[CR Chamber]] were altered. (Why Earth-"born" Transformers were immune to the surge's effects is unknown.)

The affected characters were Megatron, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Rattrap]], and [[Cheetor]]. [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] were in the middle of their mutation when they fell into lava pits beneath the ''[[Darkside]]'' and perished. [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]], and [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] also eventually became Transmetals as a result of the surge.

Most Transmetals had additional weapons and seemingly enhanced power levels. They were immune to many [[Vok]] weapons, and may even be immune to the effects of [[energon]] radiation.

This last point had little bearing on the plot, since most of the energon deposits on [[Earth]]'s surface had been destroyed by the Planet Buster cannon. However, in Tangled Web, Tarantulas is standing beneath an energon cache, completely unaffected. Meanwhile, in The Agenda, the non-Transmetal Inferno suffers energon overload while attempting to kill Optimus Primal and Cheetor. So immunity to the radiation may be a permanent effect of the Transmetal body.

According to [[Ben Yee]], the Transmetals were originally conceived of by ''Beast Wars'' writers as "absorbing" energon radiation and then needing to later discharge that energy, typically as weapon energy.<ref>Ben Yee's "Bad Spark" review, http://www.bwtf.com/bw/tvshow/episodes/seasontwo/badspark/</ref> However, the only time this was hinted at in the series was during "[[Bad Spark]]", when Cheetor "farts" a little energon cloud.

The [[Fuzor]]s [[Silverbolt (BW) (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] and [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], like the Transmetals, were shown to be immune to Vok technology, seemingly possessing qualities of Transmetals.

===Toys===
In addition to the characters mentioned above, Transmetal toys were also produced for [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], and technically [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (the [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]] toy was initially intended to be his TM form, and was so in Japan and the UK.) None of these appeared on the show.

Scorponok, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], though also not Transmetal in the show, were given their own Transmetal toys as Happy Meal pack-ins from McDonald's. [[Claw Jaw]] and [[Spittor]] were redecoed and sold as Transmetals in European markets with a VHS tape.

Initial Transmetal toys were not designed with guns, only melee weapons, contrary to the requirements of the animated series (kinda the opposite of the situation with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and co.'s toys). As a result, [[Mainframe]] was forced to come up with creative solutions to give these characters ranged weapons without diminishing the [[Show-accuracy|toy accuracy]] of the show. Thus, [[Tarantulas]]' handheld buzzsaw functioned like a gun and the green markings on his shoulders were depicted as machine-gun ports, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s pincer/whip/flail/cutlass thing (read: he's holding his damn tail) gained the ability to stiffen and fire like a cannon, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s hideous hands were capable of firing energy blasts, although only when placed together and temporarily making the halves of his beast-mode head whole, with the zaps emenating from its mouth. The only exception was [[Rattrap]], who retained his pre-transmetal gun (albeit with a redeco to suit his new colour scheme) despite the fact that the toy did not.

As an odd point of comparision, the later Transmetal (although never realy identified as such) [[Optimal Optimus]] ''was'' packaged with a rifle, which he never used in the show.

==Transmetal 2==
[[Image:Dinobot2-postcard.jpg|right|thumb|Pose!]]
Near the end of the series, a new breed, known as '''Transmetal 2'''s appeared. These new forms blurred the line between the mechanical and the organic even further, with equal parts of both appearing in both modes in an asymmetrical patchwork like jumble. This often resulted in somewhat monstrous looking designs.

===''Beast Wars'' animated series===
Within the context of the television series, the idea of a Transmetal 2 was somewhat vague. Only Cheetor, [[Dinobot 2]], and Blackarachnia were definitely meant to be Transmetals 2. Each of them was altered by an enigmatic piece of Vok technology known as the "[[Transmetal Driver]]" which appeared early in season three. The exact origin and nature of the Driver is unknown.

Optimus Primal and Megatron also received new bodies in season three, in the same fashion as each other, but only Megatron's toy was labeled as a Transmetal 2. (Optimal Optimus was a normal Transmetal.) It is unclear whether, within the story of the cartoon, these bodies were meant to be similar to the bodies granted by the TM Driver. Both of their new bodies were the result of temporarily merging their [[spark]]s with the sparks of their ''[[Generation 1]]''-era counterparts, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|G1 Megatron]].

[[Tigerhawk (BW)|Tigerhawk]]'s toy was also labeled as Transmetal 2. His in-show origin involved both the fusing of two sparks, those of [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], and Vok technology.

The new forms for all of these characters, whether produced by the Transmetal Driver or by spark fusion, were portrayed as substantially more powerful than normal Transmetals.

===Toys===
According to their toy packages and bios, the Transmetals 2 were all the results of Megatron's cloning experiments. This roughly aligned with the beginning of the cartoon story, as the first Transmetal 2, Dinobot 2, was created by Megatron. This cloning experiment angle also helped to explain the presence of [[Optimus Minor]].

Unlike Transmetals, most Transmetals 2 did not have a third mode. Only the largest Transmetal 2 toys, Tigerhawk and Megatron, were designed to have more than two modes, but Megatron's was never featured in the TV show and Tigerhawk's was dropped entirely even from the toy. Neither vehicle mode was especially well-implemented.

Early on in the release of TM2 toys, the packaging used a Roman numeral "II", but a running change in the packaging was made to the Arabic number "2".

== IDW ''Beast Wars'' comic ==

In the IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics, a new group of Predacons traveled back to the Beast Wars era (taking place in the third season of the program around the episode "Changing of the Guard") and activated the remainder of the [[stasis pod]]s ejected from the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''. The Transformers who emerged from these pods included normal beast-form Transformers, Transmetals, and Transmetals 2.

All the Beast Wars characters/toys not featured in the original cartoon (barring a few that traveled back with [[Magmatron (BW)|Magmatron]]) were given this same origin regardless of their "Transmetal" status. It was not explained why their states differed, nor why their situation differed from the non-Transmetal Earth-"born" Transformers in the show.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category: Subgroups]]
[[Category: Transmetals| ]]
[[Category: Transmetals 2| ]]
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Scale

2007-03-28T04:52:17Z

220.239.53.31: /* Show scale vs. toy scale */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as ''[[Microman]]'' toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then...

Neither, for that matter, are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], despite also coming from the ''[[Diaclone]]'' line. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team the [[Trainbot]]s who, as the name implies, have train engine altmodes, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the original ''Diaclone'' releases.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from an Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami. You heard right; origami Transformers. Yup.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car model, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are proportionally too small for a Freightliner truck, while similarly his rear section onto which a trailer would be hitched is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: a character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 25-30 feet tall, at best. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 10-15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes
[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|200px|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar height (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the very large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==
[[Image:RattrapLOVEScheetor.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I'm tellin' ya, ''all'' da rats in Brooklyn are dis big!]]
In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex,'' possibly closer to a [[Wikipedia: Nanotyrannus|Nanotyrannus]].

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

Of course, in ''Japan'', tiny Beast Warriors wouldn't be able to have ''Awesome Robot Battles'', so in Japanese fiction Beast Warriors are the same size as G1 Transformers, despite how this ''contradicts everything ever anywhere +1''. This fact causes problems when Optimus Primal and [[Leo Prime]] are the same size in the [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Beast Wars II movie]].

Similarly, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup.

It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]], but let us not kid ourselves. It's ''Japan.''

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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2007-03-28T04:51:11Z

220.239.53.31: /* Scale within fictions */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as ''[[Microman]]'' toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then...

Neither, for that matter, are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], despite also coming from the ''[[Diaclone]]'' line. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team the [[Trainbot]]s who, as the name implies, have train engine altmodes, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the original ''Diaclone'' releases.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from an Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami. You heard right; origami Transformers. Yup.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car model, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are proportionally too small for a Freightliner truck, while similarly his rear section onto which a trailer would be hitched is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: a character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 25-30 feet tall, at best. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 10-15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes
[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|200px|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the very large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==
[[Image:RattrapLOVEScheetor.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I'm tellin' ya, ''all'' da rats in Brooklyn are dis big!]]
In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex,'' possibly closer to a [[Wikipedia: Nanotyrannus|Nanotyrannus]].

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

Of course, in ''Japan'', tiny Beast Warriors wouldn't be able to have ''Awesome Robot Battles'', so in Japanese fiction Beast Warriors are the same size as G1 Transformers, despite how this ''contradicts everything ever anywhere +1''. This fact causes problems when Optimus Primal and [[Leo Prime]] are the same size in the [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Beast Wars II movie]].

Similarly, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup.

It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]], but let us not kid ourselves. It's ''Japan.''

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Scale

2007-03-28T04:44:34Z

220.239.53.31: /* Scale within toylines */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as ''[[Microman]]'' toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then...

Neither, for that matter, are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], despite also coming from the ''[[Diaclone]]'' line. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team the [[Trainbot]]s who, as the name implies, have train engine altmodes, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the original ''Diaclone'' releases.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from an Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami. You heard right; origami Transformers. Yup.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real car model, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are proportionally too small for a Freightliner truck, while similarly his rear section onto which a trailer would be hitched is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 30 feet tall. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes ([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the very large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==
[[Image:RattrapLOVEScheetor.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I'm tellin' ya, ''all'' da rats in Brooklyn are dis big!]]
In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex,'' possibly closer to a [[Wikipedia: Nanotyrannus|Nanotyrannus]].

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

Of course, in ''Japan'', tiny Beast Warriors wouldn't be able to have ''Awesome Robot Battles'', so in Japanese fiction Beast Warriors are the same size as G1 Transformers, despite how this ''contradicts everything ever anywhere +1''. This fact causes problems when Optimus Primal and [[Leo Prime]] are the same size in the [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Beast Wars II movie]].

Similarly, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup.

It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]], but let us not kid ourselves. It's ''Japan.''

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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2007-03-28T04:38:10Z

220.239.53.31: /* Scale within toylines */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as ''[[Microman]]'' toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then...

Neither, for that matter, are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], despite also coming from the ''[[Diaclone]]'' line. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team the [[Trainbot]]s who, as the name implies, have train engine altmodes, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the original ''Diaclone'' releases.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from a Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real type of car, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are not the right size, while his rear part is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 30 feet tall. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes ([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the very large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==
[[Image:RattrapLOVEScheetor.jpg|thumb|250px|right|I'm tellin' ya, ''all'' da rats in Brooklyn are dis big!]]
In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex,'' possibly closer to a [[Wikipedia: Nanotyrannus|Nanotyrannus]].

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

Of course, in ''Japan'', tiny Beast Warriors wouldn't be able to have ''Awesome Robot Battles'', so in Japanese fiction Beast Warriors are the same size as G1 Transformers, despite how this ''contradicts everything ever anywhere +1''. This fact causes problems when Optimus Primal and [[Leo Prime]] are the same size in the [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Beast Wars II movie]].

Similarly, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup.

It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]], but let us not kid ourselves. It's ''Japan.''

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Beast Wars (Part 1)

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'''Writers:''' [[Bob Forward]]

'''Summary:''' The Maximal and Predacon forces crash land on a mysterious, primitive world.

'''Major Characters (in order of appearance):''' [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]

'''Minor Characters (in order of appearance):''' Characters

'''Original Air Date:''' September 16, 1996

==Summary==
The first thing seen is the [[Axalon]] and the unnamed [[Darksyde]] ships falling out of a warp portal. [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] orders the Darksyde to open fire, easily shunting the Maximal ship towards the planet. [[Optimus Primal]], as the ship tumbled, made two orders - eject all [[stasis pod]]s into orbit, and fire upon the Predacon ship. The Darksyde was blasted enough to knock it also to the nearby planet.

On the (then unknown) prehistoric Earth, both sides found that the massive [[Energon]] readings were off the scale, and required alternate 'beast modes' to be able to survive outside of the ship. All of the crewmates picked new forms based on the most powerful creatures of the planet, and (apparently/logically) renamed themselves accordingly. On the Maximal ship, [[Rattrap]], [[Cheetor]], and [[Rhinox]] were born. Optimus Primal took the form of a gorilla.

The Predacons, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], [[Waspinator]], [[Tarantulus]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrosaur]], and [[Scorponok (BW)|Skorponok]] began to explore. Dinobot, reading the [[Golden Disk]], called Megatron a fool for landing on this planet, and challenged him for the leadership of the Predacons. Megatron deceived him and had Skorponok blast him.

The Maximals did the same, and Cheetor, eager to show off his new speed, took off after a team of cheetahs. Primal called him back, but the energon interfered with their communicators. Cheetor, on his own, ran into Waspinator, and the two engaged. Seeing the explosions of weaponry, the two respective teams ran to assist their comrades.

An explosion knocked Cheetor over, and rubble pinned him down. Primal ordered Rattrap to help him. Rattrap plainly told him to "kiss his skinplate." Primal rushed to help Cheetor, and was wounded in the process, injuring one of his Prime Jets. As the Maximals retreated, Primal lectured Rattrap on his rebellion.

On the retreat, the Maximals encountered the lone Dinobot. He challenged Primal to the death for leadership of the Maximals...

==Notes==
-Before they gain their beast modes, the Maximals and Predacons are shown mostly in shadow. This is probably to save the animators the trouble of coming up with entirely different models for each character. However, if you pay close attention, there are some marked differences to the facial areas shown, and rattraps' arms are slightly different.

-The Japanese version of the episode, titled "Enter the Super Robot Lifeform Transformers", has a slightly alternate opening. The episode begins with scrolling letters across an outerspace backdrop, "Star Wars"-style, which explain the basics of the Transformers history (Cybertron, factions, energy plundering, etc).

===Technical/Animation Glitches===
*Minimal to none

===Continuity Errors===
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===Transformers References===
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===Real-World References===
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==External Links==
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Scale

2007-03-27T02:10:36Z

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[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as [[Microman]] toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then... and neither are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], who are also ''Diaclone'' items. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team, the [[Trainbot]]s, who -as the name implies- become train engines, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the ''Diaclone'' items.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from a Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real type of car, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are not the right size, while his rear part is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 30 feet tall. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes ([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the very large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==

In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who have been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who (to take the former example) is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex''.

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

Of course, in ''Japan'', tiny Beast Warriors wouldn't be able to have ''Awesome Robot Battles'', so in Japanese fiction Beast Warriors are the same size as G1 Transformers, despite how this ''contradicts everything ever anywhere +1''. This fact causes problems when Optimus Primal and [[Leo Prime]] are the same size in the [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Beast Wars II movie]].

Similarly, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup.

It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]], but let us not kid ourselves. It's ''Japan.''

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Scale

2007-03-27T01:55:28Z

220.239.53.31: /* Citybots */

[[Image:OptimusSnakeEyes.jpg|right|thumb|300px|And the truck's ''how'' big...?]]
'''Scale''' in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.

Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[Wikipedia:fanwank|fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Scale within toylines ==
As is generally well known, the early [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as [[Microman]] toys, scale issue arise. While ''Diaclone'' figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the ''New Microman'' line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

[[Image:DiacloneScale.jpg|left|thumb|400px|That little guy --who comes from the same toyline as all those vehicles-- is supposed to be a normal-sized human. Yyyeah.]]

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then... and neither are the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], who are also ''Diaclone'' items. Even ''more'' out-of-scale are the other ''Diaclone''-born combiner team, the [[Trainbot]]s, who -as the name implies- become train engines, considerably larger than cars and most construction equipment, yet their toys are among the smallest of the ''Diaclone'' items.

Even toys specifically designed to interact with each other often suffer from this problem. The [[Combaticon]]s, for instance, are wildly out of scale to each other--[[Blast Off]]'s space shuttle mode should be the largest by far, and [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] should be significantly smaller than the others. Among the aforementioned Constructicons, [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]], like most dumptrucks in ''Transformers'', is actually one of those gigantic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Liebherr_t282_1.jpg "earth-mover" mining trucks], which would make him significantly bigger than his teammates.

Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Speaking of Blitzwing, [[Triple Changer|Triple-Changers]] create a whole new set of problems. [[Octane]] transforms from a roughly 60-foot tanker truck into a 200-foot plus jumbo jet. [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from a Earth jet into an entire ''aircraft carrier'', presumably sized to carry quite a few Earth jets. More recent series, such as [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'', suggest that this is possible due to a variety of sliding panels, essentially making the transformations akin to incredibly elaborate origami.

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passengers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real type of car, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

One last interesting case, related to the aforementioned Triple Changer difficulty, is when the toy is not in scale ''with itself''. For example, 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime has wheels which are not the right size, while his rear part is much too thick. These out-of-proportion vehicle parts were necessary to give to his robot mode better robot proportions.

== Scale within fictions ==
[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|left|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

Scale issues abound within fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the way Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be about 30 feet tall. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 15 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favors emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|right|thumb|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]

It is worth noting that the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]] has taken great pains to avoid size-changing and out-of-scale issues among characters with Earth-based alternate modes. This is sometimes reflected in the choice of vehicle ([[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] is a long-nosed truck cab in order to offer more mass to make a taller robot mode out of) or the design of their robot modes ([[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s robot mode is nearly as wide as it is tall, with shorter, digitigrade-style legs so the massive jet-former won't end up twice as tall as Optimus). Though in the case of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], his huge alternate mode simply results in a huge, hulking, towering robot mode.

=== Combiner scale ===
[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of mere cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. Logically, this can only be accounted for by serious [[size changing|size-change-o-rama]] and yet, again, no clear depiction of this process actually taking place is ever shown in the case of combiners.

[[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.
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== Show scale vs. toy scale ==

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[Minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Image:ShrinkingHeavy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|I lost thirty tons, thanks to the Jump-Cut! Thank you, Jump-Cut!]]

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Metroplex]] and the other citizens of [[Gigantion]] are depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas the toys are merely among the normal boxed size-classes. (Although, the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.) Within the animation, though, this causes problems with their Mini-Con partners, who are depicted as human-sized in robot mode by themselves, but when directly interacting with their larger partners, retain their size in relation to the toy... meaning some temporarily-gigantic Mini-Cons!

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== Pretender scale ==

The G1 concept of [[Pretender|Pretenders]] had some interesting scale issues. In the [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|original comic]] the pretenders appeared fairly literally as their toy counterparts; normal-sized robots inside humanoid shells. The logical result of this was that the [[Autobot]] Pretenders were depicted as giant-sized humans. Which ain't much of a disguise. By comparison, the [[Decepticon]]s merely look like garden-variety giant Saban monsters.

Although the [[Generation 1 (television series)|original American cartoon]] did not feature any [[Pretender|Pretenders]], the Japanese-only continuity did, in their series ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders were not shells so much as ill-defined wholistic transformations which involved [[size changing]], allowing the large Autobots to achieve human size and convincingly pass themselves off as such. The Decepticons, by comparison chose to retain their gigantic proportions when in Pretender-mode.

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave's]] ''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile book included a description of their continuity's take on the Pretender concept. Something of a fusion of the above two, it described a physical shell that utilizes [[size changing|shrinking]] technology to achieve the ''[[Masterforce (television series)|Masterfore]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other bipedal lifeform of choice). Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that such Pretender technology would/could later lead to the development of the synthetic faux-organic beast-mode tech of the [[Beast Era]].

== Mini-Con scale ==
The [[Mini-Con]]s of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] are small robots who stand approximately the same height as a human. However, they almost all transform into vehicles (of either Earth or Cybertronian design) which are clearly modeled to include cockpits etc. for carrying passengers, and yet they are obviously too small to accommodate humans (the only exceptions being [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]], [[Sureshock]] and [[High Wire]], who become small one-man vehicles... well, ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] Grindor doesn't). Who then these smaller-than-human passengers could possibly be is something of a mystery.

In the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]] retain their slightly-larger-than-human robot modes, but their alternate modes are large enough to contain a human passenger.

== Citybots ==
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the very large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even ''begins'' to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left).

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

== Planets ==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather [http://www.starwars.com/databank/location/coruscant/index.html Coruscant]-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognizably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:UnicronEatsGalvyMmmm.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Mmmm... grape flavored.]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

The depiction of Unicron's scale in ''[[Armada]]'' was (very debatably) a slight improvement, at least in as much as the concept of physical interaction (or much bodily movement for that matter) with such tiny beings was not even attempted, preferring instead to communicate with normal Transformers by possessing [[Sideways|another body]] in their own scale. Nevertheless, shots featuring [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] standing on his neck region are still ''farcically'' out of scale.

== ''Beast Era'' scale ==

In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

=== Real world scale ===
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only characters who has been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species are [[Tigatron]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurus rex''.

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of protohumans. Considering human ancestors really were smaller than modern humans, this scale issue is not as extreme as it may appear, but the point deserves addressing.

=== Scale relative to G1 ===
[[Image:Beastwarriors scale.jpg|thumb|left|Beast Megatron's size vs. Optimus Prime in America... and Japan. ''*sigh*'']]

[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

Of course, in ''Japan'', tiny Beast Warriors wouldn't be able to have ''Awesome Robot Battles'', so in Japanese fiction Beast Warriors are the same size as G1 Transformers, despite how this ''contradicts everything ever anywhere +1''. This fact causes problems when Optimus Primal and [[Leo Prime]] are the same size in the [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Beast Wars II movie]].

Similarly, the Japanese line ''[[Robot Masters]]'' depicted G1 and BW characters like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Optimus Primal]] as being exactly the same size. Yup.

It's vaguely possible that passage through the [[Blasty Zone]] may somehow [[Wikipedia:Boom tube#Later Additions to the Concept|account for this discrepancy]], but let us not kid ourselves. It's ''Japan.''

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=== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ===
[[Image:Beastwarsmaxgroup.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Pick the Ultra-class figure.]]

The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is marginally the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

==External links==
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/6db411e03e75a342?dmode=source Estimated "real-life" heights for several Transformers, derived from the size of their alt-modes, archived from alt.toys.transformers on groups.google.com]

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Legion (KP)

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:''The Legion are [[Transformers]] from the [[Kiss Players]] series.''

[[Image:LegionRape1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Yummy yummy yummy I've got love in my tummy and it tastes like loving you! (It's just like Venom's tongue. Really. Not at all like a big, veiny cock. No, not in the least.)]]

The '''Legion''' are a new species of [[Transformers]] created when the [[Unicron]]-enhanced cells of the [[Decepticon]] leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] were spread throughout [[Earth|Earth's]] atmosphere in the year 2005. Fusing with various creatures and vehicles and wearing the face of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], the vicious Legion army has converged on the city of [[Tokyo]], the site of Galvatron's catastrophic impact.

They appear to have fluid-filled organic components and enjoy the taste of sweet, sweet [[Kiss Player]] flesh. They're kind of horrible.

==Fiction==
===Kiss Player===
Following a presumably Legion-related subway attack in Japan, a lone Legion member came upon a bleakly despairing [[Atari Hitotonari]] and offered to end her suffering by killing her. Cornering the panicked girl, it was about to make good on its offer when the Ne-04 [[Autrooper]] interfered. When the Autrooper disgorged the unconscious Kiss Player [[Shao-Shao Li]], Atari merged with it and quickly beheaded the Legion, seemingly terminating it.

Shao later awoke to find herself a prisoner in one of several tubes containing very alive and hungry Legion heads in the basement of [[Earth Defense Command]] headquarters. It appears that the E.D.C. has been conducting human experimentation on captured Legion units for an unknown purpose.

Another Legion that attacked [[Marissa Faireborn]] at sea was described by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] as a [[ParasiTech]] fusion between an octopus and a shipwreck. As ParasiTech fusions are also used by the Autroopers of the [[Earth Defense Command]], it may be that there is a connection between the two. A SINISTER one.

[[Image:Ypsilanti tower.JPG|left|thumb|200px|Legion's tongue and the Ypsilanti water tower...coincidence, or EDC conspiracy?]]

Less than six months after joining the E.D.C., Atari ate an omelette (which she had prepared) that contained a miniaturized Legion. The surprisingly communicative and wacky intestinal invader was engaged and defeated by Atari's shrunken Autrooper and dissolved in the girl's digestive acids. There was, astoundingly, nothing psychosexual about the encounter beyond this.

A group of 23 Legions attacked the recently reconstructed Tokyo Bay Bridge, but were defeated by the combined efforts of [[Hot Rod]] and Shao-Shao, though not before repeatedly attempting to molest Shao with their tentacles.

Recently, a black-haired girl with black clothes and a pained appearance has been observed in Legion company. Though her body heat did not show up on Hot Rod's thermograph, it is possible that she is the first identified Kiss Player for the Legion army.

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==Trivia==
* The first Legion seen in the ''Kiss Players'' manga is based on the ''Alternators'' [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]/[[Decepticharge]] mold, with a [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]-esque head and odd triplicate headlights. This appears to be a common, though not universal, body type for the group.

*Let's just be honest: the Legion's prehensile tongues are ''explicity'' phallic. There, it's been said.

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Silverbolt (Fuzor)

2007-03-26T02:29:22Z

220.239.53.31: /* Beast Machines */

{{disambig3|Silverbolt}}

:''Silverbolt is a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Silverboltfuzor.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Strong, sleek, swift and stupid.]]

"Pure, strong, and fast," '''Silverbolt''''s sense of right and wrong is so overdeveloped his fellow Maximals wonder if his programming has a glitch. He speaks in platitudes that speak to chivalry, justice, and cheesy heroic ideals, and he has been known to give speeches that make even [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] roll his optics. His conviction is both his strength and his weakness. He sees the world in black and white, and not just because his beast mode is partly canine.

The only gray area for Silverbolt is [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]. His fierce love for the "evil" Predacon causes him to question his preconceived notions of right and wrong. He was very proud of his ability to convert Blackarachnia to the Maximals, and, though most of the them are skeptical, he has nothing but faith in her.

==Fiction==
===Beast Wars===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japan)

The explosion caused by the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] sent all stasis pods crashing to Earth. Some pods' scanners were fried, and the result was the Fuzors, one of whom was Silverbolt.

Megatron recruited Silverbolt, but he felt so out of place being treacherous and cruel that he soon joined the Maximals. Sometime afterward, he battled [[Blackarachnia]] when [[Tarantulas]] was building his secret base. She was somewhat surprised by his complete refusal to strike her simply because she was a female.

Silverbolt, by nature, was loyal and just...and had some of the corniest lines known to Transformers. Rattrap especially spent alot of his time pointedly ignoring Silverbolt's lines of honor and virtue, and even Blackarachnia - whom he would form a romantic relationship with - rolled her eyes at his speeches. He even had his own personal fanfare, which played when he did anything knightly or struck a pose.

Soon, Silverbolt found himself reluctantly sneaking off to aide Blackarachnia in constructing a small airship out of the fallen Stasis Pod. When it was complete, she ran off at first word of the [[Ark]] being discovered, Silverbolt in tow. He pleaded with her to join the Maximals, and - even after shooting him in the thigh - refused to leave until she did.

When Megatron arrived, Silverbolt was the playing card to convince Blackarachnia to open the doors to the Ark and allow him inside. Soon after, When [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] was injured enough to cause the time storm, Blackarachnia used Silverbolt to put everything right, and defected to the Maximals soon after.

Most of the time thereafter, Silverbolt stayed by Blackarachnia's side, more than happy that the subterfuge was over. He was extremely pleased when Blackarachnia was converted fully into a Maximal (and a Transmetal 2, as well).

===Beast Machines===
:'''Voice Actor:''' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japan)

When the Maximals found themselves back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] running for their lives from armies of [[Vehicon]] drones, their memories of their past had been tampered with. Even [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blacharachnia]] could not remember Silverbolt fully until she hacked into the memory backup on their ship.

[[Image:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|left|thumb|Sadly, this was the coolest Silverbolt would get in Beast Machines.]]

Blackarachnia began to suspect that Silverbolt's [[spark]] may be inside one of the Vehicon Generals. At first, she erroneously thought it was inside [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], but after a mishap with some technorganic goop, Silverbolt's spark was proven to be inside [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]. For a precious few moments, Silverbolt's consciousness was completely awoken within Jetstorm's body, reverting to his old personality, until the goop was absorbed completely and Jetstorm's [[shell program]] reasserted itself.

Obsessed with bringing Silverbolt back, she hounded Jetstorm, demanding he remember their shared love and return to the Maximals. Needless to say, Jetstorm was annoyed by this. But when [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] created a gizmo that would help them transfer the stolen Transformer sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia stole it. Leading Jetstorm into the planet's organic core, she attached the gizmo to his back and trapped the Vehicon in a pool of the technorganic goop with her webs. After much screaming, reformatting, and brilliant light, Silverbolt was reborn as a condor, having scanned skeletal remains inside the cavern in the process.

[[Image:Silverboltbm.jpg|right|thumb|The Worlds Deadliest Peacock!]]

Counter to Blackarachnia's expectations, Silverbolt was not pleased. Gone was the Maximal who exemplified honor and chivalry, replaced with only a desire for retribution and vengeance. "I was a fool back then," he frowns, "I ''believed'' in things." Distraught, Blackarachnia managed to convince him to come along with her to help rescue [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from inside [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s Big Floating Head, but Silverbolt did not accompany her for their friends -- he was not interested in them. He went to confront Megatron.

Megatron, seeing that his General had been reformatted into a Maximal, tried to seduce Silverbolt back to his side. Silverbolt was told he was a creature of honor who fought for just causes, and that Megatron gave Silverbolt not only a just cause (the technological purity of Cybertron), but also the power and strength to fight for that cause. Blackarachnia countered at every point, pleading with Silverbolt to remember their love and friendship. Silverbolt was not even paying attention to her, and finally answers Megatron bitterly: "You gave me ''nothing''." Silverbolt, with nearly insane fury, let loose a volley of feather bombs, disrupting Megatron from within. Cheetor and Primal were rescued, and Silverbolt was dragged away from the battle.

Slightly calmed, Silverbolt was later approached by Blackarachnia. He confided in her the real reason for his anger. It was not what Megatron had done to him, but that he was freed from his code of honor and he ''enjoyed'' the experience. He did not trust himself any longer. This did not deter Blackarachnia. She believed, no matter what, that Silverbolt had goodness in his heart.

===Universe===
[[Image:Silverbolt_tfu.jpg|thumb|left|Angsty Redux]]

One year after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s Great Reformatting, five great Autobot heroes ([[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker]], [[Trailbreaker]], [[Shadow Striker]], and [[Roulette]]) returned home to a peaceful planet. Amidst a media blitz and celebration, Silverbolt, [[Blackarachnia]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Rattrap]] were among the Maximals to greet them.

However, what appeared to be celebratory fireworks struck Silverbolt and Blackarachnia and also the five Autobots. They were transported to the firey [[Pit]] deep within [[Unicron]], where all but Trailbreaker were rebuilt painfully into new bodies. Silverbolt was piece-by-piece reassembled into a version of his original [[Fuzor]] form.

Seeing an arena up ahead, the seven moved towards it, only to be attacked by a swarm of shape-shifting lava-like creatures. Silverbolt and the others were overwhelmed and taken into the arena (or, the [[Cauldron]]), where they were caged along with a multitude of Transformers kidnapped from across the multiverse.

During this time Blacharachnia was corrupted by Unicron to become one of his warriors. Silverbolt vowed to bring her back to the light again as she has done for him.

When the whole place went to pot after the formation of the [[Unicron Singularity]], Sliverbolt escaped with the rest of the prisoners, taking Blacharachnia with him. Presumably they returned to their own time and universe.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe Fuzor, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-41'''

: Part of the first wave of [[Fuzor]]s, Silverbolt transforms into a wolf with the wings, fore-legs and tail of an eagle. In either mode, pulling his tail activates a spring-loaded "wing flap" gimmick. Moving the wings far enough forward triggers their built-in spring-loaded missile launchers. Silverbolt's missiles are also designed to be held in his hands like clubs.

: For his Japanese release as part of ''Beast Wars Metals'', Silverbolt's silver was made much much brighter.

: This mold was used to make [[BotCon 1999]]'s [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]].

===Beast Machines===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2000/2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-10'''

: ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt now transforms into kind of a condor, dropping his wolf-bits. His wings have a snap-together feature, and the entire wing assembly detaches to form a hand-held shield-blade for robot mode. It is [[Scale|woefully out of scale]] with the other Maximals, making [[Blackarachnia]] look like she has a midget fetish...

: In 2005, the toy was [[redeco]]ed for the [[Takara]] ''[[Beast Wars Returns]]'' series in a much more show-like purple color scheme. He was only available at Toys "R" Us stores.

===Universe===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe, 2003)

: A purple redeco of the original Fuzor toy, Silverbolt once agan transforms into a wolf/eagle fusion.

==Trivia==
*In the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, Silverbolt was not portrayed as a stereotypical "Knight in shining armor" as he was in the West. Instead, his unique character quirk was that he was ''psychotically polite'' and always happy no matter what. He ended nearly every sentence in a loud, stressed '''"desu!"''' which made every sentence of his needlessly over-polite.

* Silverbolt's line in Beast Wars ("I think my name is... Silverbolt") mimics the original [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s first line.

* Many fans have taken to giving the ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt toy a "griffon" alt-mode rather than the official "condor" mode.

* According to various [[Hasbro]] representatives, ''Universe'' Silverbolt's colors (and those of pretty much the entire first wave of ''Universe'' product) were done by Hasbro employess from outside the ''Transformers'' team.

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm Silverbolt at TFU.info]

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Silverbolt (Fuzor)

2007-03-26T02:26:17Z

220.239.53.31: /* Beast Wars */

{{disambig3|Silverbolt}}

:''Silverbolt is a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Silverboltfuzor.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Strong, sleek, swift and stupid.]]

"Pure, strong, and fast," '''Silverbolt''''s sense of right and wrong is so overdeveloped his fellow Maximals wonder if his programming has a glitch. He speaks in platitudes that speak to chivalry, justice, and cheesy heroic ideals, and he has been known to give speeches that make even [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] roll his optics. His conviction is both his strength and his weakness. He sees the world in black and white, and not just because his beast mode is partly canine.

The only gray area for Silverbolt is [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]. His fierce love for the "evil" Predacon causes him to question his preconceived notions of right and wrong. He was very proud of his ability to convert Blackarachnia to the Maximals, and, though most of the them are skeptical, he has nothing but faith in her.

==Fiction==
===Beast Wars===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japan)

The explosion caused by the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] sent all stasis pods crashing to Earth. Some pods' scanners were fried, and the result was the Fuzors, one of whom was Silverbolt.

Megatron recruited Silverbolt, but he felt so out of place being treacherous and cruel that he soon joined the Maximals. Sometime afterward, he battled [[Blackarachnia]] when [[Tarantulas]] was building his secret base. She was somewhat surprised by his complete refusal to strike her simply because she was a female.

Silverbolt, by nature, was loyal and just...and had some of the corniest lines known to Transformers. Rattrap especially spent alot of his time pointedly ignoring Silverbolt's lines of honor and virtue, and even Blackarachnia - whom he would form a romantic relationship with - rolled her eyes at his speeches. He even had his own personal fanfare, which played when he did anything knightly or struck a pose.

Soon, Silverbolt found himself reluctantly sneaking off to aide Blackarachnia in constructing a small airship out of the fallen Stasis Pod. When it was complete, she ran off at first word of the [[Ark]] being discovered, Silverbolt in tow. He pleaded with her to join the Maximals, and - even after shooting him in the thigh - refused to leave until she did.

When Megatron arrived, Silverbolt was the playing card to convince Blackarachnia to open the doors to the Ark and allow him inside. Soon after, When [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] was injured enough to cause the time storm, Blackarachnia used Silverbolt to put everything right, and defected to the Maximals soon after.

Most of the time thereafter, Silverbolt stayed by Blackarachnia's side, more than happy that the subterfuge was over. He was extremely pleased when Blackarachnia was converted fully into a Maximal (and a Transmetal 2, as well).

===Beast Machines===
:'''Voice Actor:''' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japan)

When the Maximals found themselves back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] running for their lives from armies of [[Vehicon]] drones, their memories of their past had been tampered with. Even [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blacharachnia]] could not remember Silverbolt fully until she hacked into the memory backup on their ship.

[[Image:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|left|thumb|Sadly, this was the coolest Silverbolt would get in Beast Machines.]]

Blackarachnia began to suspect that Silverbolt's [[spark]] may be inside one of the Vehicon Generals. At first, she erroneously thought it was inside [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], but after a mishap with some technorganic goop, Silverbolt's spark was proven to be inside [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]. For a precious few moments, Silverbolt's consciousness was completely awoken within Jetstorm's body, reverting to his old personality, until the goop was absorbed completely and Jetstorm's [[shell program]] reasserted itself.

Obsessed with bringing Silverbolt back, she hounded Jetstorm, demanding he remember their shared love and return to the Maximals. Needless to say, Jetstorm was annoyed by this. But when [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] created a gizmo that would help them transfer the stolen Transformer sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia stole it. Leading Jetstorm into the planet's organic core, she attached the gizmo to his back and trapped the Vehicon in a pool of the technorganic goop with her webs. After much screaming, reformatting, and brilliant light, Silverbolt was reborn as a condor, having scanned skeletal remains inside the cavern in the process.

[[Image:Silverboltbm.jpg|right|thumb|The Worlds Deadliest Peacock!]]

Counter to Blackarachnia's expectations, Silverbolt was not pleased. Gone was the Maximal who exemplified honor and chivalry, replaced with only a desire for retribution and vengeance. "I was a fool back then," he frowns, "I ''believed'' in things." Distraught, Blackarachnia managed to convince him to come along with her to help rescue [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from inside [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s Big Floating Head, but Silverbolt did not accompany her for their friends -- he was not interested in them. He went to confront Megatron.

Megatron, seeing that his General had been reformatted into a Maximal, tried to seduce Silverbolt back to his side. Silverbolt was told he was a creature of honor who fought for just causes, and that Megatron gave Silverbolt not only a just cause (the technological purity of Cybertron), but also the power and strength to fight for that cause. Blackarachnia countered at every point, pleading with Silverbolt to remember their love and friendship. Silverbolt was not even paying attention to her, and finally answers Megatron bitterly: "You gave me ''nothing''." Silverbolt, with nearly insane fury, let loose a volley of feather bombs, disrupting Megatron from within. Cheetor and Primal were rescued, and Silverbolt was dragged away from the battle.

Slightly calmed, Silverbolt was later approached by Blackarachnia. He confided in her the real reason for his anger. It was not what Megatron had done to him, but that he was freed from his code of honor and he ''enjoyed'' the experience. He did not trust himself any longer. This did not deter Blackarachnia. She believed, no matter what, that Silverbolt had goodness in his heart.

===Universe===
[[Image:Silverbolt_tfu.jpg|thumb|left|Angsty Redux]]

One year after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s Great Reformatting, five great Autobot heroes ([[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker]], [[Trailbreaker]], [[Shadow Striker]], and [[Roulette]]) returned home to a peaceful planet. Amidst a media blitz and celebration, Silverbolt, [[Blackarachnia]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Rattrap]] were among the Maximals to greet them.

However, what appeared to be celebratory fireworks struck Silverbolt and Blackarachnia and also the five Autobots. They were transported to the firey [[Pit]] deep within [[Unicron]], where all but Trailbreaker were rebuilt painfully into new bodies. Silverbolt was piece-by-piece reassembled into a version of his original [[Fuzor]] form.

Seeing an arena up ahead, the seven moved towards it, only to be attacked by a swarm of shape-shifting lava-like creatures. Silverbolt and the others were overwhelmed and taken into the arena (or, the [[Cauldron]]), where they were caged along with a multitude of Transformers kidnapped from across the multiverse.

During this time Blacharachnia was corrupted by Unicron to become one of his warriors. Silverbolt vowed to bring her back to the light again as she has done for him.

When the whole place went to pot after the formation of the [[Unicron Singularity]], Sliverbolt escaped with the rest of the prisoners, taking Blacharachnia with him. Presumably they returned to their own time and universe.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe Fuzor, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-41'''

: Part of the first wave of [[Fuzor]]s, Silverbolt transforms into a wolf with the wings, fore-legs and tail of an eagle. In either mode, pulling his tail activates a spring-loaded "wing flap" gimmick. Moving the wings far enough forward triggers their built-in spring-loaded missile launchers. Silverbolt's missiles are also designed to be held in his hands like clubs.

: For his Japanese release as part of ''Beast Wars Metals'', Silverbolt's silver was made much much brighter.

: This mold was used to make [[BotCon 1999]]'s [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]].

===Beast Machines===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2000/2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-10'''

: ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt now transforms into kind of a condor, dropping his wolf-bits. His wings have a snap-together feature, and the entire wing assembly detaches to form a hand-held shield-blade for robot mode. It is woefully out of [[scale]] with the other Maximals, making [[Blackarachnia]] look like she has a midget fetish...

: In 2005, the toy was [[redeco]]ed for the [[Takara]] ''[[Beast Wars Returns]]'' series in a much more show-like purple color scheme. He was only available at Toys "R" Us stores.

===Universe===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe, 2003)

: A purple redeco of the original Fuzor toy, Silverbolt once agan transforms into a wolf/eagle fusion.

==Trivia==
*In the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, Silverbolt was not portrayed as a stereotypical "Knight in shining armor" as he was in the West. Instead, his unique character quirk was that he was ''psychotically polite'' and always happy no matter what. He ended nearly every sentence in a loud, stressed '''"desu!"''' which made every sentence of his needlessly over-polite.

* Silverbolt's line in Beast Wars ("I think my name is... Silverbolt") mimics the original [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s first line.

* Many fans have taken to giving the ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt toy a "griffon" alt-mode rather than the official "condor" mode.

* According to various [[Hasbro]] representatives, ''Universe'' Silverbolt's colors (and those of pretty much the entire first wave of ''Universe'' product) were done by Hasbro employess from outside the ''Transformers'' team.

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm Silverbolt at TFU.info]

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Silverbolt (G1)

2007-03-26T02:19:58Z

220.239.53.31:

{{disambig3|Silverbolt}}

:''Silverbolt is an [[Autobot]] and an [[Aerialbot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1_Silverbolt_cartoon.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Nice lips.]]

'''Silverbolt's''' character is defined by his extreme fear of heights and by his refusal to bow to it. He constantly struggles to project the image of a brave, determined soldier to hide his fear from others. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] named him leader of the Aerialbots in the hopes that worring about them would give him something else to focus on besides his own phobia. This has proven true and, not surprisingly, the mature, responsible Silverbolt makes an excellent commander.

He can combine with his fellow Aerialbots to form the torso of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. He is also one of the most egregiously [[Scale|out of scale]] G1 characters, both as a toy and in all of his depictions in fiction.

==Fiction==
===Animated Continuity===
[[Image:G1Silverbolt_Key1.jpg|left|thumb|150px|"Goodbye cruel world!"]]
Silverbolt was constructed out of a low-flying cargo transport vessel, which was modified to resemble an Earthen jet. He was later given life by [[Vector Sigma]], along with the other Aerialbots, then returned to [[Earth]] with the Autobots via [[Omega Supreme]]. It was soon discovered that Silverbolt had a crippling weakness: an intense fear of heights, due to his low-altitude origins. Conversely, he was the only Aerialbot who wasn't a complete jerk. Because of this, Optimus made him commander of the Aerialbots, reasoning that it would give him something to worry about other than his acrophobia. He proved worthy of this role when he persuaded his mutinous team mates to help the Autobots protect humanity, by showing them how [[Sparkplug_Witwicky|Sparkplug]] was able to disregard his fatigue at will due to his concern for [[Omega_Supreme_(G1)|Omega Supreme's]] well-being, something robots cannot do.

As the combined forces of the Autobots and Aerialbots sent the Decepticons into retreat, Silverbolt bravely went after [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and destroyed the Key to Vector Sigma, despite his great fear of heights. As he fell, he was saved at the last moment by [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]], who was impressed by his courage. {{Storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

===Marvel Comics===

The Aerialbots were created when [[Bumblebee]] filmed [[Devastator]]'s combining sequence. Using the Autobot Matrix of Leadership, Optimus Prime gave the Aerialbots life. The leader, Silverbolt's alternate mode is that of a human transport airplane. After given life and during testing, Prime ordered them to stop the Decepticon assault on the Hoover Dam.

The fight went well, but [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] used his super-sonic ability to bring out a Transformer's deepest fear, it warped Silverbolt's fear of heights (ironic for an Aerialbot) and forced him to land. The Aerialbots prevailed the fight, however, and as the Decepticons fled, Silverbolt combined them all to form [[Superion]], trying to stop the drill from absorbing all of the Hoover Dam's electricity.

Superion's reflex was to strike out and kill the human who held [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in his Gun Form, but Silverbolt stepped in and prevented him from doing so. He forced the Aerialbots to disassemble. The human fired Megatron's gun at the drill, winning the day for the Autobots.

Nonetheless, Silverbolt's mind was wiped along with his fellow Aerialbots shortly afterwards, due to Optimus Prime's dissatisfaction with the mission.

Later, when [[Skids]] was transporting the human [[Donny Finkleberg]] home, Silverbolt and the Aerialbots were sent to do battle with the [[Stunticon]]s. Both combiners fused, creating [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and Superion. [[Josie Beller]], known as Circut Breaker, fired upon Superion, however, crippling him heavily and leaving Menasor the victor.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Silverbolt''' (1986)
:''Japanese ID number'': '''C-50'''
[[Image:G1_Silverbolt_toy.jpg|right|thumb|155px|"Oh [[Primus|God]], I'm in the middle of a white cloud!" *faints*]]

:Silverbolt transforms into a Concorde jet liner and can serve a launcher/base for the other Aerialbots. A particular weakness of Silverbolt's design is the way both his legs are connected to his hips by a long pin going through several very small (and weak) plastic hinges that are put under stress as the immediate joint underneath this assembly is a swivel used during transformation. His Japanese release has a spring powered launcher mechanism that was removed from his Hasbro releases, leaving only a piece that flopped around uselessly on his chest.

:He was available both alone and in a gift set with his teammates.

===Generation 2===
*'''Silverbolt''' (1994)

:For the [[Generation 2]] toy line, Silverbolt's toy was [[redeco]]ed in blue and red, and his wings were [[retool]]ed to hold a new pair of spring-loaded missile launchers (reused from the Generation 2 versions of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]).

{{-}}

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm Silverbolt at TFU.info]

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Unicron

2007-03-23T11:45:32Z

220.239.53.31: link

[[Image:Unicronwiki.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Not Galactus, we swear.]]

'''Unicron''' is the eternal arch-enemy of his twin brother [[Primus]]. He is known as the Dark God, the Chaos Bringer, the Planet Eater, and he is dedicated to consuming the multiverse. His goal is to bring an end to the annoying creation boasting independence around him, and find peace by becoming the living center of a swirling, infinite torrent of nothingness at the end of all things.

To undertake this seemingly overwhelming task, Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself. <ref>Titanium Series 3" Unicron profile</ref> Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an everchanging, evolving map of the multiverse.<ref>Profile, Transformers Fan Club newsletter, Aug/Sept 06</ref>

The only thing that he fears is Primus' essence, contained inside the [[Matrix of Leadership]].

Frequently, Unicron will make deals with lesser beings, giving them vast new powers in exchange for their servitude. These minions are sometimes stripped entirely of their free will, but others follow him willingly. No matter their intent, Unicron's plans ultimately call for their consumption as well.

==In the beginning==

[[Image:Unicron_original.jpg|thumb|left|Unicron's original body.]]

Before the dawn of time, Order and Chaos existed within an extradimensional entity known as the [[One]]. He created twin astral beings to reign over the cosmos: Primus and Unicron. Their nature differed, as Primus' lifeforce (aka the [[Allspark (dimension)|Allspark]]) was a ''multiversal singularity''; existing across all Transformers realities at once (see note below), whereas Unicron existed in only one dimension at a time but could travel relatively freely between them. Primus was the Lord of Light and Order, and Unicron, the Lord of Darkness and Chaos. Unicron sought to devour everything that exists and become one with [[The Void]] at the end of all things.

In combat, Primus was no match for Unicron. But Primus did manage to trap both his and Unicron's essences inside metallic planetoids. Over time, they learned to shape these prisons. Unicron formed his into [[Scale|a planet]] able to not only devour all in its path, but also capable of Transforming into a likeness of his old self. Primus, meanwhile became the mechanical planet of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Knowing that his ancient enemy still lived, Primus created the [[13 original Transformers]] from the material of the newly created planet. To the very first of these 13, named [[Prima]], Primus bestowed the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], containing his essence. These Transformers would, in time, grow strong in number, knowledge, and power, and be able to defeat Unicron.

==War of the balance==

The first conflict between Primus and Unicron occurred shortly after the creation of the first 13 Transformers. One of the original 13, who would ever afterwards be known as the [[Fallen]], betrayed Primus and became an acolyte of Unicron. Many of the first 13 were destroyed in this great battle before Unicron and the Fallen were sucked into a [[black hole]] and sealed away in a extra-dimensional limbo.

The two brothers shared a mental link. So long as Primus hid himself in slumber, so did Unicron also sleep. Their war ended, for a time, in stalemate.

[[Image:Primalscream.jpg|right|thumb|KHAAAAAN!]]

Eventually, in one version of Generation 1 continuity [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]], and [[Bumblebee]] found themselves transported to the center of [[Cybertron_(planet)|Cybertron]]. In a battle with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Pretender]]s, a laser blast ricocheted off Grimlock and struck the essence of the sleeping Primus, causing a multiverse-shaking Primal Scream that woke Unicron and alerted him to Primus' location.

The battle between Primus and Unicron began anew. Though Unicron would sometimes be defeated, this is always temporary, and there is a whole multiverse of realities to consume. When Unicron is destroyed in one reality, he will travel to another, ready to eat again. Primus will always be waiting, hoping to incapacitate Unicron and preserve existence.

It has been suggested that both of them are, in fact, necessary for the multiverse to exist in stability.

==The Evolution of the Primus/Unicron Myth ==

The Primus/Unicron backstory has evolved and been rewritten a good number of times since it first originated in the Marvel Comics. The version above is the current iteration, which has slowly solidified across a wide swath of media beginning around the time of [[Armada]]. Before the Primus/Unicron mythos reached its present form it went through several distinct versions in the Marvel G1 Comics and elsewhere.

===Unicron's Story===
The first time we ever heard the Primus/Unicron backstory it in the UK comic continuity, from Unicron himself. After his destruction during the events of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', his head floated through space and crashed on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junk]]. There, he enslaved the inhabitants to recreate his old body from their world. When the bount-um... freelance peacekeeping agent [[Death's Head]] challenged him on the astral plane, Unicron shared the story of his origin thusly:

At the dawn of the universe, when Unicron was a primal force of evil, the only one who could stand against him and his [[Dark Armies]] was Primus, Lord of the [[Light Gods]]. (Note the plural.) Primus and his fellow Light Gods stood against Unicron and his Dark Armies. Events then played out roughly as described above.

''(The role of the other Light Gods and Unicron's armies would diminish with each retelling of the story, until the current version where they are alone and have a unique origin. Only one of the other Light Gods was ever named: the [[Chronarchitect]].)''

===The Keeper's Story===
The second time the story was told was in the US book by the [[Keeper]], an ancient mechanoid who guarded Primus's head at the center of Cybertron. This telling mentions that their battle was towards the end of the era of Gods and that Primus and Unicron were the last of their respective pantheons. But Primus had to defeat Unicron before he could take his place with the other gods in the "[[Omniversal Matrix]]".

===Primus' Story===
The third time the story was told was by Primus when he gathered all his children together to prepare for Unicron's coming. Here we learn for the first time that Unicron predated the current universe. Unicron had destroyed the previous universe and then slept peacefully, alone with the void. But he had not been thorough enough and some bits of the "old realms" survived. They reacted and caused The Big Bang. The sentient core of this new universe recognized the threat of Unicron and so created Primus to be his counterpart and guardian of the new creation.

===DK's Story===
The first modern retelling of their origin in the DK Transformers: Ultimate Guide (which tended to focus on the then current Dreamwave continuity) added a new twist with "The One" a self-contained being of balanced Order and Chaos. He was curious and so created Unicron to explore the new-born Universe for him. Then he sub-divided Unicron and created Primus out of him. As Primus achieved consciousness he realized Unicron had become corrupted and was now a force for Chaos. Primus thus took on the role of champion of Order and creation to balance things and protect existence from Unicron.

''(Primus did not exist in the Generation 1 cartoon. There, Cybertron's oldest revealed status was as a factory world of the [[Quintesson]]s who invented the Transformers, and Unicron was a product of the strange, sad little alien [[Primacron]]. This causes some trouble with the later retcon that Primus is a "multiversal singularity" and part of all Transformers universes, though [[Wreckers #3]] did attempt to retcon the Primus mythology into the Quintesson-creation backstory of the original cartoon. [[Simon Furman]] has also stated that he may specifically exclude Primus and Unicron from the IDW comic universe as well, which might be seen as retconning out the previous retcon and rendering Primus as being once again a feature of only "some" Transformer continuities.)''

==Fiction==

===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics====
''(Note: The recent Primus/Unicron mythology push in the Fun Publications ''Cybertron'' comics places the Marvel Comics story first chronologically among Unicron's history of appearances.)''

After the Primal Scream, Unicron headed directly towards Cybertron. He created three [[Heralds]] to send ahead of him and prepare the Transformers for his arrival: [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]]. He also borrowed a version of Galvatron from another dimension's future in which he was successful in devouring Cybertron.

[[Image:Acolyte_of_unicron.jpg|thumb|100px|right|A Unicron cultist with mask. Or a cosplayer. Same thing.]]

Unicron placed a mental command in some Transformers, generating a cult of Autobots and Decepticons. His worshipers gathered to attack the leader of the two united factions, which had gathered on Cybertron when they sensed Unicron drawing near. Their assassination attempt was defeated with the help of Galvatron, Unicron's wayward herald.

Unicron was so unimaginably large that the sight of him froze both Transformer factions into inaction. Unicron, disappointed that victory was this simple, tore apart the planet's surface. It was only the actions of the kidnapped Galvatron that snapped the Transformers out of their collective terror. Even the united Transformers were unable to hold Unicron off. After being fazed by the [[Neo-Knights|Neo-Knight]] [[Rapture]] and temporarily shorted out by [[Circuit Breaker]], it was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] who flew towards Unicron and opened the Matrix. The life contained inside caused Unicron to explode. ''(That Circuit Breaker could affect Unicron at all suggests that despite the Dark God's nature and history, his body (at least this one) is ultimately 'standard' technology, albeit of a very powerful nature.)''

''In the timeline of [[Earth-120185]], rather than attack Cybertron in 1990, Unicron made his appearance in 2006, in events similar to ''The Transformers: The Movie''. Destroyed by the power of the Matrix, his head crash-landed on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], where he used mind control to force the native [[Junkion]]s to build him a new body out of the planet of Junk. At the beginning of 2008, he pulled [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Death's Head]] into his thrall and used them to re-ignite the stalemated Cybertronian war in order to keep the Autobots distracted from his activities. Ultimately, however, he was defeated by Death's Head and the Autobots. His head was destroyed, and his mind was sealed within the Matrix. In 2010, he reached out from within the Matrix and took control of [[Rodimus Prime]]'s body, only to be stopped when [[Kup]] ripped the talisman out of his chest, but later still, in 2020, he repeated the trick and succeeded in transforming Rodimus's body into a copy of his own before being forced back. In the far future of 2356, Unicron's essence still resides within the Matrix, steadily withering the struggling body of Rodimus.''

''In at least [[Rhythms of Darkness|one further tangential timeline]], Unicron actually succeeded in consuming Cybertron in 2006 and allowed Galvatron to rule [[Earth]].''

====The Transformers: The Movie====
:''Voice actor:'' ''[[Orson Welles]] (US), [[Mizuho Suzuki]] (Japan)''

[[Image:Unicronplanet.jpg|right|thumb|I see you down there]]

In his first documented appearance, Unicron was known as a giant Transformer which devoured everything in his path. After the Battle of Autobot City, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and several heavily damaged Decepticons (the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] as well as [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]) were dumped in space. Unicron reformatted Megatron into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and out of the damaged Decepticons, he created [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], and Scourge's [[Sweeps]]. He ordered them to destroy the Matrix.

Galvatron returned with the Matrix, but intended to use it to make Unicron his slave. Unicron ate him. Having already eaten two of Cybertron's [[Moonbase One|moons]], Unicron attacked Cybertron. [[Shockwave]] and the rest of the Decepticons, at the time in control of Cybertron, fought back, but this had little effect. Unicron swallowed many spaceships, and one, which contained the young Autobot [[Hot Rod]] and his comrades, crashed through Unicron's eye. Hot Rod and Galvatron battled deep inside Unicron. Ultimately, Hot Rod was able to retake the Matrix, change into Rodimus Prime, defeat Galvatron, and use the Matrix to destroy Unicron. Unicron's body exploded, though its head remained somewhat intact and orbited Cybertron.

====Generation 1 animated series====
:''Voice actor:'' ''[[Roger C. Carmel]] (US)'', ''[[Toshirō Ishii]] (Japan)''

[[Image:Primacron.jpg|right|thumb|Primacron, the one responsible for Unicron's construction. Thanks so much, Primacon.]]

Unicron had no explained origin in the movie, but later, in the third season episode "[[Call of the Primitives]]", his history in the animated continuity was revealed; Unicron was created near the beginning of time by an ancient genius called [[Primacron]], to destroy the universe for him to remake in his own image. But Unicron decided that he would be the one to rule the universe, not Primacron, and rebelled against his creator, voyaging out into the vast expanse of space.

[[Image:Unicron_head_orbit.jpg|left|thumb|Do NOT mess with the [[Big Floating Head]]!]]
His destruction in the movie was not the last the Transformers saw of Unicron; the ghost of Starscream reactivated his severed head and entered into a bargain with Unicron, performing three labours in exchange for the restoration of his body. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and Scourge gathered for Unicron [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s eyes (breaking one and replacing it with one from [[Trypticon]]) and Trypticon's [[Transformation Cog]], and then connected his head to Cybertron, which would become Unicron's new body. Starscream demanded that Unicron restore his body so that he could complete the connection; but once Unicron had done so, Starscream double-crossed him and refused to finish the job. Unicron's head was subsequently blown off into space by an explosion instigated by the Autobots.

Later, when searching for a new supply of anti-electrons, the Decepticons ventured to Unicron's head, where Cyclonus and Scourge accidentally awoke the slumbering demi-god. At the same time, Grimlock, who had gained super-intelligence through an infusion of anti-electrons, had constructed the [[Technobot]]s from pieces of Unicron's head, and one of their number, [[Strafe]], severed enough of Unicron's neural connections to shut him back down.

Unlike the comics portrayal, Unicron is shown to be a large transforming machine and not a godlike being.

===Beast era===
====Omega Point====
[[Image:Unicrons_dark_essence.jpg|thumb|left|''Beast Wars'' Megatron and time-traveler/[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] repaint [[Windrazor]] fight above the Dark Essence.]]
Following his destruction in 2006, Unicron's severed lifeforce was displaced in time to Earth's distant past, prior to the Beast Wars. It rested in the pit caused by its own impact, quiescent for many millennia, until found by a Predacon known as the Hunter around the Machine Era.

Taking the name [[Shokaract]], he used this Dark Essence to conquer, ruling over an apocalyptic 32nd Century future.

Due to severe time-travel mischief, the events leading up to Shokaracts's timeline were averted when the Dark Essence fled Earth from the Beast Wars.

====Dark Essence====
[[Image:Matrix_of_conquest.jpg|thumb|right|The Evil Galactic Starfish of Conquest served as a container for Unicron’s power.]]

The Dark Essence possessed only rudimentary intelligence, lacking the full force of Unicron's personality. It appears Unicron's Spark remained with his severed head (which has a back-up spark chamber) in 2005, while his power was displaced in time.

Is it unclear if this displacement was accidental, or represents an attempt by Unicron to preserve his power.

Shokaract contained the Dark Essence within a [[Matrix of Conquest]] from which he drew his powers. This is very similar to the relationship between Primus and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], where The Matrix holds the majority of his power, leaving Primus himself weak. The Matrix of Conquest appears to be unique to Shokaract's timeline branch, and would not exist outside of it.

====Beast Wars II and Neo====
'''Voice actor:''' ''[[Tetsuo Komura]] (Japan)''
[[Image:BWNeo Unicron.JPG|thumb|left|Unicron's show apearance in ''Beast Wars Neo''.]]

After the events of ''The Transformers: The Movie'', Unicron's lifeforce (the green energy seen exploding from his body) raced across time and space until it landed on the distant world of [[Gaia]], riddling itself into the planet's surface. His lifeforce caused many strange phenomenon all over the planet, and was eventually dubbed [[Angolmois]] energy.

It proved to be a powerful energy source, leaving [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] to attempt to harvest the energy for himself. Using his massive spacecraft, the [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], he sucked all the the Angolmois energy out of the planet and into the craft. However, after the interference of [[Leo Prime]] and [[Lio Junior]], all the Angolmois energy was sealed into capsules and ejected them from the Nemesis as it self-destructed.

[[Big Convoy]] and [[Magmatron]] then raced to collect the angolmois capsules, as their energy effects were wreaking havoc on planets all over the galaxy. They eventually collected all the capsules only to find themselves attacked by the mysterious and freakish [[Blentron]]s. The Blentrons proved nearly invincible, and stole the capsules from each team. They released the Angolmois energy and allowed it to possess Galvatron's dead body. Unicron was reborn once more.

Unicron then absorbed the last remaining ounce of stray Angolmois energy, the Blentrons, and left to settle his score with Cybertron. The [[Maximal Elder]], [[Great Convoy]], attempted to hold Unicron off with the entire Maximal armada, but Unicron's fiery serpent mode proved too much and he effortlessly destroyed the armada and Great Convoy along with it. Unicron then possessed [[Vector Sigma]], the mother computer of [[Cybertron]], effectively possessing the planet. He then morphed the planet into his new body, fulfilling the goal he originally attempted back in 2006 (or 2010, since this is Japanese continuity).

Unicron briefly exited Vector Sigma to deal with the last remaining Cybertronian resistance. Big Convoy, his Maximal new recruits, Leo Prime and Magmatron all fought side-by-side against Unicron, but all they managed to do was stall him. Big Convoy then powered up his Big Cannon with his own [[Energon Matrix|Matrix]], transforming it into the Matrix Buster. Big Convoy shot Unicron with the weapon, the powerful blast seemingly destroying the Chaos Bringer. Unicron's spirit was then evicted from Vector Sigma, returning Cybertron to normal.

====Universe====

[[Image:UnicronDeathstarII.jpg|thumb|right|Unicron's ruined body in ''Transformers: Universe''. You can't take the Wreckers anywhere.]]
After being defeated by the [[Wreckers]], Unicron floated in ruin. Using what energies he had left, he called Transformers from various corners of the multiverse inside him to do battle. He feasted upon the sparks of the losers, growing ever more powerful. Primus countered this by calling his own army from the multiverse, led by [[Optimus Primal]]. Primal was able to set free the captives inside Unicron and begin a new war between the [[Minions of Unicron]] and the [[Children of Primus]].

''(This war was ended abruptly when, during the final battle, Unicron disappeared from their reality underneath them, sucked away into the [[Unicron Singularity]] in another timestream. See [[#Cybertron|Cybertron]].)''

===Unicron Trilogy===
The [[Unicron Trilogy]], the series of Transformers franchises that includes [[Armada|Armada]], [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]], and [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]], was so named by Hasbro designer [[Aaron Archer]] because of Unicron's importance in each story.

====Dreamwave Comics continuity====

[[Image:Unicronarmada.jpg|thumb|left|Armada Unicron grasps at... nothing.]]

=====Armada=====

Unicron sent forth heralds to prepare the Armadaverse for his arrival after having devoured the Cybertron of a previously unseen dimension. His heralds included versions of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], and [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]].

He also sent the Autobots the near-death [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)|Optimus Prime]] of that other dimension as a forewarning.

Unicron was ultimately defeated by [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Jet Optimus]], the combined form of the Armadaverse's Optimus Prime and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], who were infused with extra Mini-Con power. However, he had managed to kidnap [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]], [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]], [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]] and [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]], and would see them forged into new heralds in the interim.

=====Energon=====

[[Alpha Quintesson]] and the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s try to revive Unicron.

''(Note: Due to the sudden demise of [[Dreamwave]], the results of this attempt remain unknown. Presumably, since you are alive and reading this, Unicron did not go on to consume the Omniverse.)''

====Animated continuity====
=====Armada=====
:''Voice Actor:'' ''[[Mark Acheson]] (US), [[Katsumi Chō]] (Japan)''

Disguised as Cybertron's moon, Unicron created the race of small robots known as the [[Mini-Cons]] to increase the ferocity of the Autobot/Decepticon war. When conflict exists, Unicron can feed off the energies released.

When the Mini-Cons found their way to Earth, they were followed by the Autobots and Decepticons. Unicron dispatched his minion [[Sideways]], a mysterious agent that served as the vessel for Unicron's spark in this reality, to carry on his work. Sideways escalated the conflict by manipulating control of the three Mini-Cons weapons; the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], the [[Skyboom]] shield and the [[Requiem Blaster]]. These weapons were the three keys that were needed to awaken Unicron.

[[Image:ArmadaUnicron02.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The Power Cosmic gives you wrinkles.]]

As Unicron turned on Cybertron, the Mini-Cons broke free of his control and deactivated him, but when [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] then began his final battle with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], the hatred and ferocity of the fight awoke Unicron once more.

To end the circle of hate that gave Unicron life, Galvatron allowed himself to be consumed by the monster, and in a brilliant flash of light, Unicron apparently ceased to exist.

=====Energon=====
:''Voice Actor:'' ''[[David Kaye]], [[Mark Acheson]](US), ??? (Japan)''

[[Image:Energon Unicron.jpg|thumb|left|Unicron sported awesome colors during ''Energon''.]]
Unbeknownst to the Autobot heroes, Unicron's body had fallen into a state of decay. Operating at low, almost undetectable energy levels, Unicron was rotting away in what was called the "Graveyard of the Universe". A spark from the past would be enough to change all of this. Alpha-Q, a Terrorcon-related alien being from a far away world, Planet Q, would awaken within the dying giant and discover that Unicron's cells had the ability to restore life, just as it did to create the mini-cons eons before.

Alpha-Q, having had his own homeworld detonated and consumed by Unicron in the past, sought to restore Unicron enough to manipulate his body into restoring the world and galaxy that he lost. Alpha-Q used the cells to restore himself to a suit of armor, as well as create Sparkless drones of his former race to carry out his deed: collect energon. As energon was collected, Unicron grew stronger.

However, Megatron's corpse and spark remained within Unicron, and he slowly siphoned off some of the gathered Energon, allowing him to be reborn in his own new body. Alpha Q jettisoned Unicron's head and escaped in it, while Megatron took over Unicron's body, and continued to gather Energon in order to rebuild Unicron to use as his ultimate weapon. As the climax of this plan neared, a joint attack by Alpha Q, the Autobots and their human allies saw all of Earth's Energon channeled into Unicron's head, which Alpha Q then rammed into Unicron's body.

The positively-charged Energon of Earth reacted with the negatively-charged Energon running through Unicron, tearing open a fissure in reality leading to a new area of space where planets Unicron consumed were recreated, and sustained through the Energon radiated from Unicron's head, which had now become a glowing red sun.

[[Image:Unicron_eats_blizzard.jpg|right|thumb|Unicron should stop eating so many Blizzards.]]

Unicron's body, damaged once more, lay in the dark reaches near the fissure, and the Decepticons began to raid Alpha Q's new planets for the Energon necessary to revive Unicron again. This time, they succeeded, and Megatron directed Unicron's body to retrieve his head, extinguishing the Energon Sun and killing Alpha Q in the process. But the power of Unicron proved too much for Megatron to control, as Unicron began to take over Megatron's body. In the ensuing battle between Unicron and the super-powered Optimus Supreme, Unicron's body was successfully destroyed.

But unbeknownst to anyone, he lived on in two forms: his miniscule Spark, and his consciousness, which lay buried in Megatron's mind. With quiet, subconscious nudging, Unicron led Megatron to a massive reservoir of "[[Super Energon]]" beneath Cybertron's surface, which transformed him into Galvatron upon his first exposure.

After a series of failed battles, Galvatron proceeded to expose himself to the Super Energon once again, and this time grew to a gigantic height. Unicron seized control of his body again for a new vessel and set out to rejoin with his Spark, but a Primus-empowered Optimus Supreme engaged him in battle once more, and drew all of Unicron's consciousness out of Galvatron and sealed it within his own Spark.

Enraged, Galvatron prepared to destroy Unicron's Spark, but it merged with him, enlarging him again, leading to another battle with Optimus Supreme, this time bolstered by the combined energy of all his troops' Sparks. Meanwhile, Primus merged with the Super Energon, creating a foundling sun which arrived at the site of the battle. Taking control of his body for a brief moment, Galvatron made the decision to plunge himself into the infant sun to rid himself of Unicron's posession. The super energon mass, having now recieved Unicron's spark, ignited into a powerful red sun which gave new life to Alpha Q's worlds.

=====Cybertron=====

[[Image:Unicroncybertron.jpg|thumb|left|The Planet-Eater's back, and you're gonna be in trouble...]]

Primus' plan to trap Unicron in the heart of a new sun failed, and instead resulted in a [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] (or Unicron Singularity) that threatened the multiverse. His heralds [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] travelled to Cybertron to unleash the [[Dead Matrix]] upon Primus' vulnerable essence.

Vector Prime was able to defeat Ramjet and send him into the black hole in which Unicron was trapped, while [[Sentinel Maximus]] with the help of [[Omega Prime]] was able to stop Nemesis Prime from unleashing the power of the [[Dead Matrix]] on Primus. However, [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] and [[Laserbeak (Cybertron)|Laserbeak]] were able to retrieve the Dead Matrix, and they brought it to Unicron Singularity's Event Horizon. With some adjustments, the Dead Matrix was able to extract Unicron's spark from the black hole, looking much the way it did when it took over Galvatron at the end of Energon, and, after the lifeforce consumed the planet [[Yst]], the Dark God exploded from the remains reborn.

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==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:Unicrontoyarmada.jpg|right|thumb|200px|And the fandom rejoiced (and complained).]]

*'''Unicron with Mini-Con Dead End''' (Supreme, 2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MX-00'''

: Unicron from the [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'' toyline]] is an orange and transparent purple Supreme-size toy that transforms into a planet. It features many Mini-Con [[Powerlinx]] plugs on the planet's rings, and "chomping" jaws activated by moving the mandibles. The packed-in Mini-Con [[Dead End (Armada)|Dead End]] in moon-mode plugs into a specially-shaped socket on Unicron's planet form, just above his gaping maw. Powerlinx plugs on his sides activate the triple spring-loaded missile launchers, which end up on his robot mode legs. In robot mode, he has hidden compartments for Mini-Cons in his robot-mode legs and abdomen. One Powerlinx plug on the back of the robot mode activates blinking eye lights and a cannon that bursts from the chest and shoots a missile. A button on the top of the head also activates the blinking eye lights. Pushing his right hand back slightly into the cuff causes it to light up.

: This toy is notable for being the first "modern" Transformers release in the main line at the $50-price point. Due to his success, other releases like ''Energon'' [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] came into being.

: The [[Takara]] release of Unicron uses a slightly more transparent plastic than the [[Hasbro]] version.

: This mold was used to make the [[Unicron of Light|Mini-Con doppelganger of Unicron]].

===Energon===
[[Image:Energon_Unicron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|This is worth more to somebody outside of Japan if it was bought inside Japan.]]

*'''Unicron''' (Supreme, 2004)

: Unicron's ''Armada'' toy was [[redeco]]ed for the [[Energon (toyline)|''Energon'' toyline]], sporting black and transparent orange, with "Energon damage" patterns, representing his shattered and damaged form. All of the gimmicks from the previous version are intact in this one.

: The ''Energon'' packaging shipped with either the orange ''Armada'' Unicron or the black ''Energon'' Unicron inside in early shipments.

*'''Unicron''' (Fast Food Premium, 2004)
[[Image:Happymeal_Unicron.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Unicron will make an unhappy meal of ''you''.]]

: Availble in one of two differnt European-market McDonald's Happy Meal promotions, this Unicron toy is based on ''Energon'' Unicron, being primarily black. It is very small, and the transformation consists of simply opening the planet mode to reveal the robot.

: When his Energon cube is clicked into position, and his button pressed, his body lights up.

===Cybertron===
[[Image:Cybertron_Unicron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|180px|ZERG RUSH KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE]]

*'''Unicron''' (Deluxe, 2006)

: Unicron in the [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' line]] is a Deluxe-class toy that transforms into a futuristic tank. In robot mode he sports a battle-damaged appearance, with his head featuring a skull-like design mimicking the Unicron head that comes with Cybertron Primus. In both tank and robot modes, he features a main cannon with spring-loaded missile launcher, plus plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into his back end upons up a port on his front (which bears a striking similarity to his planet maw) that reveals a (non-firing) triple-barreled cannon. His side-spikes in tank mode can be removed to become hand-weapons in robot mode.

: He comes with a [[Planet X]]-style Cyber Planet Key, with the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "'''dgt3'''" on the back.

*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)

[[Image:Unicornhead.jpg|left|thumb|100px|right|And you thought YOU had a bad day...]]

: Certain shipments of ''Cybertron''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Cybertron [[Primus]] toy had a pack-in Unicron head. The head is based on ''Armada'' Unicron's and half of the face stripped away to reveal a robotic "skull". To provide the impression of locomotion, tentacles were added to the base of the head.

: The packaging for this variation of Primus was specifically changed with a callout for the Unicron head. this was supposed to originally be the first version of the Primus toy shipped, and only for a limited time, but both versions ended up shipping simultaneously, leading to some hunting to get the packed-in Uniskull.

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Titanium_RM_Unicron.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Tinycron]]

*'''Unicron''' (Robot Master, 2006)

: Unicron in the ''[[Titanium Series]]'' line is a 3-inch tall figurine made partially of [[die-cast]] metal, with movable arms. One hand holds what seems to be a moon (or he's going bowling). He comes with a [[Decepticon]] stand as well.

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===Unproduced Unicron toys===
[[Image:Neocron.jpg|right|thumb|In crazy, backwards universe, we should've gotten this rather than ''Armada'' Unicron.]]

* Generation 1 Hasbro
:An unproduced toy for Unicron was to have been released in [[Generation 1]]. It was a blue and yellow robot about one foot tall and was able to transform into a planet. It was to have come with a voice chip, and a "planet microphone" to allow owners to speak through the toy. It is very fat. It was only shown on display at [[BotCon 1996]].

* Generation 1 Takara
: Takara was to release a toy similiar to Hasbro's attempt, but it was green and yellow, possessing different paint applications and molding. It also was to come with a base that set up a "planetary system" with Unicron and a moon.

* ''Beast Wars Neo''
: Takara tried again to produce a Unicron toy, only going as far as the resin stage. It was said to be around the size of [[Optimus Primal]], and had several gimmicks, such as a laughing face when the horns were squeezed, and a claw and a drill that were stored in the planet "shell" in robot mode. One hardcopy was shown at the Tokyo Toy Fair.

==Merchandise==
===Hard Hero===
* '''Unicron''' (BotCon 2002)
[[Image:HHUnicron_statue.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Weighs almost as much as the real thing]]

:It was a huge-ass cold-cast porcelain statue based upon the cartoon design of Unicron.

:It was originally a [[BotCon 2002]] [[exclusive]].

===Art Asylum===
* '''Unicron Movie Statue''' (Diamond Select, 2007)
[[Image:AAUnicron_statue.jpg|left|thumb|160px|Oh, I see how this works. You say "Behind you!" and I turn around, and while I'm staring at nothing you run away. Well I'm not falling for it!]]

:It's not out yet!

:This statue of Unicron stands 8 ½” tall and is limited to 1,986 pieces (as in 1986, the year the original Transformers movie was released). It also features a smaller statue of Hot Rod standing upon the centerpiece holding the Matrix aloft. Oddly enough, Hot Rod is in his toy colours.

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==Trivia==
[[Image:Model-TheEntity.jpg|thumb|100px|right|Eastercron.]]

* In early preproduction for ''The Transformers: The Movie'', Unicron was referred to as the '''Entity'''.

* A model sheet from later in the movie's preproduction revealed that, at one point, the ''planet'' Unicron would turn into the ''robot'' '''Ingestor'''. This idea was, obviously, dropped before the film's release.
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Unicron/Unicron/unicron.htm Unicron on TFU.info]
* [http://www.transformersontheshelf.com/UnicronPage Unicron (toy) History]
*[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/pages/transformers-reviews/gallery/766/micron+legend/Green+Unicron+%28Lucky+Draw%29.html Photo gallery and review of Green Lucky Draw Unicron]
*[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/pages/transformers-reviews/gallery/799/toys/Unicron+%28Inflateable%29.html Inflatable Unicron store display gallery]

==References and footnotes==
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Pretender

2007-03-23T08:07:45Z

220.239.53.31: /* Known Pretender Types */

:''"'''Pretenders''' hide the Transformers inside."''

Disguise has always been a key component of Transformer operations on other worlds. Pretenders attempt to take this concept to the next level. Pretenders are Transformers fitted with special external armor shells that can disguise their very nature as robots. Rather than hiding themselves as the machinery or vehicles of a world, Pretender Shells can allow a robot to take on the appearance of a native lifeform itself.

On top of their exploration and infiltration uses the shells can also function as powerful battle armor, aid in self-repair, and even function independently of their robot as a second combatant mentally controled by their "wearer." The major drawback of the technology is that the core robot will feel whatever pain is inflicted on the shell, sometimes even more strongly than pain inflicted on the robot itself.

The most common style of Pretender is an inner robot with a single humanoid shell (usually resembling a monster for [[Decepticon]]s or a [[human]] in battle armor for [[Autobot]]s).

==Fiction==

===Marvel Comics continuity===

''(The disguise aspect of Pretender shells emphasized by the toy promotion was established in the comic book, but as the Pretenders in this continuity remained giant-sized in these shells they were odd and rather dubious disguises at best and only really functioned well in that aspect in one story involving [[Femax]]. When [[Simon Furman]] took over the book he instead emphasized the shell's capabilities as advanced super power-boosting armor.)''

Pretender technology was created by [[Lord Zarak]] to help his troops operate semi-annonymously on an Earth that had become (partially due to his influence with the [[Z Foundation]]) openly and publically hostile towards giant alien robots. The idea was that giant organic-looking alien monsters would somehow attract less attention.

''(Despite Scorponok and Zarak's claims, there is evidence to suggest that Pretender technology was around before this point. It is possible that Scorponok only developed the technology to quickly apply Pretender shells in that particular way, or that he was unaware of developments before that point. Or that it's simply a mistake.)''

This technology was stolen by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (at the time reduced to a computerized personality) and replicated by the Autobots. The Autobots fashioned their shells after humans, with the stated rationalization that the Decepticons were rather unobservant and wouldn't notice that these humans were many stories tall. He was right.

===Masterforce cartoon===

''(The cancellation of the American Transformers cartoon series had not deterred Japan - in 1987, they produced their first exclusive Transformers series, Transformers: Headmasters, and did the same for 1988 with Transformers: Super-God Masterforce, starring, among others, the Pretenders.)''

Eight thousand years ago, a starship containing the Autobot Pretenders [[Metalhawk]], [[Lander]], [[Diver (Masterforce)|Diver]] and [[Phoenix]] pursued the Decepticon Pretenders [[Blood]], [[Dauros]] and [[Gilmer]] to neolithic-era [[Earth]], where they crashed. Using their Pretender abilities, the Autobots adopted the form of humans.

''(Rather than explicitly using the toy's external shells like in the American fiction, Japanese Pretenders made the most of the intended "disguise" aspect of the gimmick and actually transformed the very structure of their bodies into an organic equivalent, shrinking down to normal human size to hide in plain sight among burgeoning humanity.)''

The Decepticon Pretenders, on the other hand, adopted the forms of monstrous creatures, becoming feared as demons by early man. After many battles, the Autobots succeeded in defeating their enemies and sealing them away - Blood in the pyramids of Egypt, Gilmer in the ruins of [[Atlantis]], and Dauros beneath the Nazca Lines in Peru - for thousands of years.

Liberated in the near future by the mysterious Decepticon "god", [[Devil Z]], the three Pretenders entered his service, and immediately began to draw the Autobot Pretenders out of hiding, before turning their attention to a series of plans to acquire energy and to disrupt one of the three Chokon Powers on Earth. After a string of failures, Devil Z supplanted them with his more powerful Godmaster minions, and although they would often participate in missions, their standing was downgraded and their regularity of appearance on the battlefield diminished. Eventually, they generally only served to supply comic relief, and departed Earth with the other surviving Decepticons when Devil Z was destroyed.

Along the way, the Autobots had been joined by [[Grand Maximus]], who was not only a Pretender but a [[Headmaster]].

===Dreamwave continuity===
Pretender technology was originally developed as a form of additional body armour. Pretender shells can enhance their wearer’s physical strength and resistance to damage. More advanced shell designs could shrink down to human size and enable their wearer to blend into Earth society unnoticed.

It is possible that the Pretender technology was later adapted to develop the [[Maximal]] and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] beast modes.

===IDW continuity===

In its most gruesome variation, Pretender technology was the invention of the Decepticon [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], and used living tissue painfully culled from live (quite possibly unwilling) subjects to create a powerful symbiotic, living carapace. The goal of this technology was to allow Transformers to survive an impending environmental collapse on their home planet, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Even [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] rejected the concept as unnatural and repulsive. Both cases where the technology was implemented ended in disaster as the melding of the robot's mind with the shell was improperly aligned or hastily executed. Subject one, Thunderwing, became unfathomably powerful but totally insane and destructive. Subject two, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], tried to rush the process and ended up comatose inside his new shell. It is unknown if research will continue further (but it seems rather unlikely given the moral issues and planetary-level threat posed by Thunderwing).

==Known Pretender Types==

'''Pretenders'''
: (The default. Single robot with a single humanoid shell.)

*[[Blood]]
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]
*[[Bomb-Burst]]
*[[Bugly]]
*[[Bumblebee]]
*[[Cloudburst]]
*[[Dauros]]
*[[Diver (Masterforce)|Diver]]
*[[Doubleheader]]
*[[Finback]]
*[[Gilmer]]
*[[Grand Maximus|Grand]]
*[[Grimlock]]
*[[Groundbreaker]]
*[[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]]
*[[Jazz]]
*[[Lander]]
*[[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]]
*[[Longtooth]]
*[[Metalhawk]]
*[[Octopunch]]
*[[Phoenix]]
*[[Pincher]]
*[[Skullgrin]]
*[[Sky High (Pretender)|Sky High]]
*[[Splashdown]]
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]
*[[Stranglehold]]
*[[Submarauder]]
*[[Waverider]]

'''Pretender Beasts'''
: (Pretenders with quadropedal Earth animal-based shells.)

*[[Carnivac]]
*[[Catilla]]
*[[Chainclaw]]
*[[Snarler]]

'''Pretender Vehicles'''
: (Pretenders whose shells are vehicles that transform into combat decks for their inner robots.)

*[[Gunrunner]]
*[[Roadgrabber]]

'''Mega Pretenders'''
: (Both the inner robot and the humanoid shell transform and can combine their alternate modes into a larger vehicle.)

*[[Crossblades]]
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
*[[Vroom]]

'''Ultra Pretenders'''
: (The ultimate. Double Pretenders whose outermost shell is a large vehicle that can transform into a combat deck for their inner robots. This contains another secondary humanoid Pretender shell that is itself able to transform into a vehicle, and that can be piloted by its inner robot. ''Both suffer from [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]]''}

*[[Roadblock (G1)|Roadblock]]
*[[Skyhammer]]

'''Pretender Monsters'''
: (Smaller pretenders with rubbery monster shells. Their inner robots can combine to form [[Monstructor]].)

*[[Birdbrain]]
*[[Bristleback]]
*[[Icepick]]
*[[Scowl]]
*[[Slog]]
*[[Wildfly]]

'''[[Crossformers]]'''
: (Japanese counterpart to the US Mega Pretenders, the shells were remolded to be less organic.)

*[[Black Shadow]]
*[[Blue Baccus]]

'''[[Dinoforce]]'''
: (Possess cyborg dinosaur "Transalts". Can combine to form [[Dinoking]].)

*[[Doryu]]
*[[Gairyu]]
*[[Goryu]]
*[[Kakuryu]]
*[[Rairyu]]
*[[Yokuryu]]

'''Double Pretenders (unproduced)'''
: (Prototypes for "Double Pretenders," two small robots in one shell, that splits into top and bottom at the waist, were designed but never put in production. Mercifully.)

*unnamed ape duo.
*unnamed spider-bandito duo.

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Scale

2007-03-23T06:25:20Z

220.239.53.31:

Scale in the ''Transformers'' multiverse is, to put not too fine a point on it, screwed.
[[Image:TransformersMovieCarsAndPlane.jpg|right|550px|thumb|Starscream is such a total... fatty.]]
Virtually no generation, era, franchise, fiction, toyline or other incarnation of ''Transformers'' has presented scale in a consistent, logical or easily-believable fashion. Most fans would agree that one needs to either ignore it or accept it, lest they be tempted to actually explain away these problems and in the process undoubtedly [[fanwank]] themselves into oblivion.

However, this does not mean that the chronic scale problems of ''Transformers'' do not merit description.

== Types of scale problems ==
=== Scale within toylines ===
As it generally well known, the [[Generation 1 (toyline)|Generation 1 toyline]], especially the entire pre-[[Transformers: The Movie|Movie]] lines, were created from repackaged and [[redeco]]ed toys from several different Japanese transforming toylines. The crucial point being that they came from ''different'' toylines. All characters (well, virtually all; see below) ''should'' be in correct scale to each other as they all are supposed to represent real-world altmodes that can pass for correctly-scaled vehicles etc. However, since the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toys were not designed to be part of the same line as [[Microman]] toys, scale issue arise. While Diaclone figures such as [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] are more-or-less in correct scale to each other, many of the [[Mini Vehicle]]s from the Microman line are clearly far too small by comparison. Even aside from the deformed [[penny-racer]] style proportions, even a comparatively small car such as a [[Bumblebee (G1)|Volkswagen]] is disproportionately tiny when compared to a [[Jazz (G1)|Porsche]] that should be in the same scale. The disparity becomes all the more obvious with other [[minibot]]s such as [[Warpath]] and [[Seaspray]] whose [[altmode]]s would suggest that they should be many times their actual size.

Another glaring scale problem comes in the form of the [[Seeker]]s, who turn into F-15 Eagles which, in real life, are 63.8 ft (19.44 m) long. Clearly not in scale with the Autobot cars then...
[[Image:DreamwaveCover6.jpg|left|250px|thumb|...since when is a sedan 9 stories tall?]]
Other scale problems come from characters who transform into the same (or very similar) altforms but whose toys are very different sizes. For example [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] transforms into and F-15 Eagle, but his toy is half the size of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s. In reality they should be an identical size (in fact, [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], transforming into a Concorde passenger jet should in fact be one of the largest G1 Transformers with an Earth altmode). The same can be said for [[Breakdown]], who, having a Lamborghini Countach altmode, should be in scale with [[Sunstreaker]]. This also goes for the other [[Stunticon]]s and all the Special Teams/[[Scramble City]]-type combiners with Earth-based altmodes, whose toys are all out of scale to earlier waves. By the same token, Warpath should be roughly the same size as [[Blitzwing]].

Also, from an in-universe logic perspective, the characters with role-play altmodes such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], [[Perceptor]] or [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Armada Laserbeak]] are scaled to be human(well, kid)-scale. Although [[size changing]] is obviously not possible for real toys (or at least, that's what [[Takara]] ''wants'' us to think...), this human-scaling makes in some cases for inordinately large robot modes, e.g. [[Blaster]].

Most post-[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|Movie]] G1 characters (and, for that mater, most post-G1 ''lines'') are difficult to accurately scale, as they generally transform into "futuristic" or "Cybertonian" vehicles for which there are no real-world specifications, or indeed don't transform into vehicles at all. Therefore the scale of characters such as [[Hot Rod]] or [[Leobreaker]] are fairly arbitrary and can at best be estimated by their relative size to more scale-friendly characters within the same fictions, although most animation is highly inconsistent in this regard (see below). Nevertheless, if one presumes that most vehicle altmodes are intended to house human passangers, comparisons of toys such as [[Chromedome]] and [[Lightspeed (Technobot)|Lightspeed]] suggest a scale disparity similar to other combiners.

There has only been one notable exception to all of this; the ''[[Alternators]]'' toyline, where every item is a 1:24-scale representation of a real type of car, and thus remain in perfect scale with each other.

=== Scale within shows ===
Scale issues abound within cartoon fictions, especially the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]]. A lot can be attributed to animation errors, or even "lazy animation". [[Size changing]] is rarely depicted on screen outside of characters such as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], but is rather implied (or, one could argue in many cases, inferred) in the following method: character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow (in the was Megatron is usually seen to perceptibly shrink in-shot), one infers that it is more likely that Astrotrain has expanded rather than all his confederates have individually shrunk. The same goes for [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other "transport" characters.

Some scale problems appear to be arbitrary, for example Optimus Prime (and, indeed, most Transformers in general) is routinely shown as being throughly gargantuan, equal to several stories in hight and capable of cradling humans in the palm of one hand. In reality, Prime would probably be less than 20 feet tall. Conversely, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] is sometimes shown as being only a few feet taller than an average human, where in reality he would be around 10 feet tall. And those pesky [[Seeker]]s remain a walking scale problem; in reality they would be amongst the largest Transformers of all and would ''tower'' over their Autobot adversaries, whereas the animation generally depicts character such as [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] as being approximately the same height.

[[Combiner]] characters are often depicted as far larger than the sum of their parts. Characters such as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] are frequently shown being as tall as large buildings, sometimes even the size of small skyscrapers. When one thinks that their individual limbs are comprised of cars and construction vehicles, this becomes patently absurd. [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], however, actually ''would'' be fairly massive, if one considers the much larger real-world size of his component parts.

[[Image:TeenyCliff.jpg|right|thumb|Cliffjumper is one ****ing tiny car. Or Hound is a ****ing huge Jeep.]]

In most cases, the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] adopts approximations of the toy scale (with all its inherent problems) when depicting the characters in robot modes; Prime, Megatron and Soundwave are generally animated at the same height, Seekers and Autobot cars slightly shorter (although not ''as'' much shorter and unevenly so as the actual toys are), and [[Minibot]]s are given a smaller stature again. However, these depictions were ''far'' from consistent.

Some fans interpret these discrepancies to also be the result of [[size changing]], but this is debatable. If virtually all characters used mass-shifting (or whatever) to gain or drop just a few feet for no apparent reason (other than to make the animation more plausible), the technology would seem pointlessly mundane. Furthermore there is no strong evidence in the series to indicate that size changing truly is so widespread as opposed to the animation having a particular style to it that favours emphasizing the hugeness of the Cybertronians.

=== Show scale vs. toy scale ===

Some characters have great discrepancies between their cartoon scale and their toy scale. "Giant" characters such as [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] are, even aside from any [[size changing]] for transport purposes, clearly not in the same scale in toy form as they are depicted on screen. [[Mini-Cassettes|Cassette characters]] such as [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s toys are roughly the same height as most [[minibot]]s, while in the show they are usually portrayed as human-sized (which is odd, considering that Soundwave is capable of expanding to massive size).

[[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] are usually shown to be of a fairly similar hight (although Magnus is much bulkier), whereas there is a considerable difference between the size of their toys. By the same token, Rodimus is always depicted as being an equal stature to his opposing leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], whereas the toy Galvatron is instead the same size as Magnus.

[[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Cybertron Metroplex]] is depicted as gargantuan in animation, whereas his toy is merely Leader-Class (although the Japanese [[Galaxy Force]] release, dubbed "Megalo Convoy", included an exclusive [[redeco]] of the [[Heroes of Cybertron]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|(Cybertron) Optimus Prime]] to indicate the "correct" scale.

=== Citybots ===
[[Image:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Okay, if you were ever ''this'' big in the cartoon, THEN we might be able to call you a city.]]

The characters [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], [[Trypticon]], [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] each have altmodes which are described as a "city". However, the scale at which they could plausibly house enough humans, ''let alone'' Transformers to be in any way reasonably defined as a "city" would suggest a robot-mode scale that would make [[Hojoni|Godzilla]] look like a gecko. No fiction to date, not even the ''very'' large depictions in the Japanese ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'' cartoon, even begins to approximate the size that a true "citybot" would logically become. In reality, the grossly-undersized depiction of [[Unicron]] (see below) would probably be closer to the scale of an actual transformed city. Which is ironic, as in Season 3 of the [[Generation 1 (television series)|G1 cartoon]] Unicron requires citybot eyes to replace his own shattered ones. That's right, citybot eyes fit a ''planet''bot. Explain that one...

Rare examples which even suggest such a realistic city scale include occasional Japanese promotional art (e.g. see left). A popular non-official source which also depicts citybots in "true" scale is the 13th installment of Matt Moylan's [[LilFormers]].

Furthermore, there is virtually no way to reconcile the "city" altmodes of the actual toys with any believable use of the term. Using windows as even a vague scale, they would hardly qualify as a city ''block''. The cartoon episode ''[[Thief in the Night]]'' makes some headway in explaining this via an establishing shot that shows Metroplex to be only a small smaller sub-section of the "actual" Autobot City, although this was not repeated.

Although little fiction to date has significantly featured the Headmaster leaders fulfilling their "city" roles, they have in the Japanese-exclusive cartoons been employed in their tertiary modes as massive starships capable of transporting and housing many normal-sized transformers. Conversely, the Marvel [[Generation 1 (comic)|G1 comic]] depicted Fort Max and Scorpy as merely "large-standard" size characters, of an equal height to Powermaster Optimus Prime and, in some UK issues, even the same as Rodimus Prime (to be fair, Powermaster Prime was often drawn "undersized" in the comics).

=== Planets ===
Scale when it comes to planets is almost so fraught it's actively painful. The logic problems of describing citybots as "cities" is a thousand times worse if [[Unicron]] is supposed to have a planet-sized altmode, and that Cybertron is in turn supposed to be in scale with him. Although different fictions have compared both [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]/[[Primus]] and Unicron to drastically different Sol-system planets, the fact remains that they are supposed to be ''planets'', and yet across most fictions they are shown in such insane scale-relation to characters that it would suggest they are barely the size of a very, very small moon (or a space station).

[[Image:Unicronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|I'm ''how'' big?!]]

To start with, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself was depicted throughout G1 as having buildings visible from space. Although this was clearly intended to make it immediately obvious that the planet was entirely technological in nature, it actually makes no sense whatsoever, as such structures would have to be the size of small continents to actually be visible from such a distance. If the buildings were in fact supposed to be Transformers-scale skyscrapers (or even 2000 A.D. style mega-bocks), Cybertron would therefore be barely a fraction the size of Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. By comparison, the rather Coruscant-like orbit-views of Cybertron in the ''[[Beast Machines (television series)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon may be less distinctive or recognisably "Cybertronian", but are ''far'' more believable.

[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|right|thumb|Those are some pretty effin' big buildings...]]

Unicron, however, is a much more extreme problem. If one presumes that no obvious [[size changing]] occurs during his transformation (and really, why would he want to become ''smaller''?), he would be so massive that any shot that features even a ''part'' of his body, let alone the whole thing, would be of such a scale that no normal Transformer, however massive, would even be visible in the same frame. His depiction in the ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' in which he directly interacts with normal-sized Cybertronian characters is blatantly absurd (regardless of how totally phat it looks). Shots such as the [[Dinobot]]s fleeing his grasping hand, a starship penetrating his eye or ''especially'' picking up Galvatron between his thumb and forefinger before swallowing him (or, similarly in the comic, impaling [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] on his fingernail before crunching him between his teeth) bend any concept of plausible scale beyond breaking point. If Unicron is the size of a planet, his hands would be the size of continents. This would make Galvatron the size of Great Britain.

There is no possible explanation for any of this. Just go with it.

=== ''Beast Era'' scale ===

In the ''[[Beast Era]]'' scale is not such a large issue, although it certainly does crop up in less obvious (depending on your point of view) ways.

==== Real world scale ====
Although the Beast Warriors all seem to exist quite happily in their own relative scale, their scale in relation to the real-world animals they have adopted as [[altmode]]s is more problematic. While the "giant insect" characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] are obviously not in real world scale, when considered carefully virtually none of the characters actually are. The only character who has been clearly depicted interacting with real members of his adopted species is [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], who is seen attempting to interact with other cheetahs in ''[[Beast Wars, Part 1]]'', who react in fright. Cheetor was shown here to be in the same scale as real cheetahs, which effectively makes him the measuring stick for all other characters. [[Rattrap]] is therefore obviously a monstrously huge rat, about the size of a large dog, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] is a rather small rhinoceros, and [[Optimus Primal]] is probably a roughly normal-sized gorilla. However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is therefore an positively dwarfish specimen of a ''Tyrannosaurs Rex''.

In their few interactions with (adult) protohumans, the Cybertronian characters seem between twice and three times the average height of humans. This does not entirely make sense if one considers that a cheetah (essentially) standing on its hind legs would not be much different in hight to a modern man. Whether this is to imply that protohumans in the BW universe were much smaller than modern-day humans (or real neanderthals for that matter), or that prehistoric cheetahs were much larger than modern cheetahs is a matter of personal taste. Or you could just say Mainframe stuffed up a little.

==== Scale relative to G1 ====
[[Size changing]] appears to be a thing of the past by the Beast Era, as the majority of the Cybertronian race seems to have considerably downgraded in size, apparently due to the [[Maximal Upgrade]] Program (although this is of course a backwards rationalization, since the show's basic premise requires the characters to transform into (vaguely) normal-sized animals, compared to the G1 characters transforming into large vehicles etc.). When entering the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], the Beast Warriors are very small compared to the dormant G1 characters, especially [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They are roughly the size humans should be (but usually weren't) depicted in relation to these characters.

==== Toy scale vs. cartoon scale ====
The first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' figures were not made in the same relative scale to each other as depicted in the cartoon, although from Season 2 onwards the scales (and general toy-accuracy) of the cartoon became much more consistent with the toys.

For example, of the Season 1 Maximal crew, [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Cheetor, [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and Rhinox are all from the same deluxe [[size class]], while [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and Rattrap are considerably smaller basics. Optimus Primal, an ultra, stands at virtually twice the size of the deluxes. In the show, Dinobot is the tallest, followed by Rhinox and a slightly shorter Optimus Primal, shorter again is Tigatron, while shorter still is Cheetor (despite being an identical mold) and Airazor, while Rattrap is the shortest, but by no means to such a degree as his toy would suggest.

The ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''' toyline was far worse in terms of scale discrepancies with its cartoon, with the tallest character [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] becoming the shortest ([[micro-continuity|show-featured]]) Maximal toy, and similarly the massive [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] was reduced to a tiny basic-class (well, in Japan anyway, but the Tank Drones that his BWR toy was redecoed from were supposed to be the same size anyway). And, sadly, the most show-accurate toy in the line (well, ''sorta'' in the line...) "Air Attack [[Optimus Primal]]" was rendered as an enormous supreme figure, completely incompatible with the other toys.

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Micro-continuity

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[[Image:Decepticonhideout.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Well, Galvatron fears concrete in ''this'' continuity anyway.]]

Multiple Transformers media create multiple continuities within individual franchises, the most famous being the cartoon and Marvel comics which contributed similar but irreconcilably different versions of [[Generation 1|G1]]. However, while the most prominent continuity variations are generally well known, there exist many "micro-continuities", small continuities which are either slightly or totally incompatible with the major Fictions.

The extent to which any individual micro-continuities should be regarded as a valid alternate continuity(/timeline/dimension etc.) or mere apocrypha is a matter of individual fans' taste and the domain of [[personal canon|personal (multiversal) canon]].

Types of Micro-Continuities include:

== Limited Fictions ==
Stories told either a small number of works of Fiction that share an apparent single continuity, such as the [[Ladybird Books]], or even a single isolated work, such as the ''[[Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals]]'' video game.

Although often small and insignificant in the wider scheme of things, such tales often contain iteresting or unique takes on certain characters or situations, for example providing actual stories in which [[Ultra Magnus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] spent a prolonged period as opposing leaders, a staus quo clearly designed to be utilised as indicated by much of the lead-up to the movie and post-movie product advertising but which was ultimately never realised in the major fictions.

== Implied continuities ==
While not consistently represented by Fictions, some percieved micro-continuities arise as the result of discrepancies between the toylines and their accompanying main Fictions. In G1 this was mainly limited to cases where individual toy characters' appearances vary drastically from the cartoon (and, by extension, most other media) such as [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], but can also include discrepancies in tech specs such as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] being described as merely "Decepticon City Commander" and is implied to indeed possess a lower rank than unspecified superiors (to say nothing of the fact that him being the reformatted [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] is not even alluded to).

More Striking examples occur in ''[[Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines]]''.

=== Toylines vs. shows ===
Unlike G1, the [[Beast Era]] did not draw on multiple major Fictions (at least originally), leading to a fairly unified canon. However, due to the fact that both shows produced by [[Mainframe]] were early, pioneering examples of fully-CG animated series, they were limited in the number of characters that could be included, resulting in both series possessing much tighter casts than all other Transformers Fictions. Unique amongst the many Transformers franchises, The two Beast Era shows did not feature the encyclopaedic inclusion of every availiable toy as a character in its Fiction, a fact which some fans feel was a major contributing factor to the percieved higher quality of the characterisation and overall writing of these series. At any rate, ''[[Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines]]'' feature only a limited proportion of the overall number of characters created, and furthermore the tight continuity and respecitive premises of the shows leave little room for their inclusion in the canon even in an "off camera" capacity (although see below in "When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity?"). An additional problem in ''[[Beast Wars]]'' is that several characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Rhinox]] were featured as Transmetal toys while in the cartoon they did not recieve these upgrades, thus creating a further discrepancy.

How then to account for the large number of (non)existant toy characters? It is absurd to dismiss them completely, and thus there are a few viewpoints.
One can either presuppose that the toyline ''itself'' implies a micro-continuity in which the full number of toy characters coexisted, or one could attempt to reconcile these characters with a definitely-extant micro-continuity; that of the pre-cartoon series one tech-specs and minicomic.

==== The "G1 Beast Wars" ====
Tech Specs for the first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' indicated that the Beast Wars took place in modern-day Earth and that [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] were in fact just G1 [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in the latest in their long series of reformatted bodies. This storyline actually did exist in one installment of a Limited Fiction, a comic which was included with the Bat Optimus and Alligator Megatron 2-pack.

Although later Tech Specs were changed to reflect the cartoon (although this did not solve the Transmetals discrepancy), one can easily use these first-series materials to infer a micro-continuity existing that features a bat-mode Optimus Prime(al) leading troops that include the likes of both [[Rattrap]] and [[Armordillo]] against an alligator-mode Megatron and his minions such as [[Tarantulas]] and [[Iguanus]], duking it out for the fate of modern, urban Earth. Whether one presumes that Optimus and Megatron subsequently "upgraded" to their gorilla and T-Rex modes, or if one can then include later waves of non-show characters and even non-show transmetalisations is open to debate.

==== Crawling with Maximals ====
By the same token, the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines toyline]]'' contained many toy-only characters, both [[Maximal]], [[Vehicon]] and other groups who were again fairly incompatable with the tighly-plotted continuity of the cartoon that presents the dominant canon. A similar "implied continuity" can be posulated that would include these extra characters in an alternate version of events that supported a larger cast.

== When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? ==
There are some Fictions which have attempted to retroactively explain the presence (or rather absence) of the non-show characters in both ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''. [[3H Productions|3H]]'s ''[[Universe (comic)|Wreckers]]'' comics and associated projects attempted to fill out much of the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' gaps in an arguably workable fashion, while more recently [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] tackled virtually every toy-only ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' character in ''[[Beast Wars]]'': ''[[The Gathering]]''. However, these two Fictions present contradictory information, and neither have (as yet) provided expansive storylines. Should these be considered major Fictions or mere micro-continuities themselves?

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Optimus Primal (BW)

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:''Optimus Primal is a [[Maximal]] and an [[Autobot]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.''

[[Image:Optimusprimalbw.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Next one of you says "[[trukk not munky]]" gets it in the FACE.]]

Young and untested, '''Optimus Primal''' was a mere captain of an exploration ship when he and his crew were diverted off-course to pursue a stolen Predacon ship. The rest, they say, is (literally) history.

Though he does have a penchant for stuffy speeches, Optimus Primal is much more down-to-earth than his legendary [[Optimus Prime (G1)|namesake]]. He is committed to the Maximal codes of honor and moral judgment, but he does view them with some irreverence, and is not above finding loopholes or administering unorthodox solutions if necessary. ("Sometimes, crazy works," he says.) He is eternally loyal to his friends and respectful to his enemies. He is brave and selfless in battle. However, he is so committed to helping others that he can withdraw into a deep depression when he feels he has let them down. This is the only time he is self-absorbed.

Optimus Primal is extraordinary for not only being able to distinguish himself despite living in the shadow of Optimus Prime, but for perhaps even surpassing him. It is possible Optimus Primal is the greatest Cybertronian hero who has ever lived.

''European-market name:'' '''Blackjack''' <br>
''Japanese name:'' '''(Beast) Convoy'''

==Fiction==

===Optimus Primal VS Megatron pack-in comic===

Under the eerie shadows of a full moon Optimus Primal, a gigantic bat, [[Cheetor]], a swift-stalking cheetah, and [[Razorbeast]], a fearsome wild boar, hunt purposely through the depths of a jungle. Soon Optimus detects the thermal emissions and fusion activity from a building, which mean they've found their target. His motion sensors register what appears to be a harmless [[Earth]] creature below.

Before Optimus realizes his mistake the alligator lashes out with as smashing swipe of its tail, knocking Optimus into the swampy waters. The beast transformers and [[Megatron]] towers above him. The building ahead is the Predacon's genetics lab and he'll never let Optimus reach the secrets inside. He orders his troops to attack and everyone transforms to robot mode. The gigantic insects Tarrantulas and Waspinator engage Razorbeast and Cheetor respectively while Optimus and Megatron face off.

Optimus brags that the Maximal ''"[[bio-genetic morphing process]] has allowed us to create the perfect fusion of organic musculature and Transformers technology!"'' Megatron responds that his side did all that too, so nan-neh, but used the DNA of Earth's most vicious predators. When Optimus notes that the Maximals seem to be getting the upper hand, Megatron immediately detonates the lab and escapes, vowing to return with new forms and new plans when the Maximals least expect it. The Beast Wars have just begun!

''('''Note:''' This comic, along with the techspec bios of the first wave of Beast Wars toys, predate the development of the Beast Wars cartoon and its backstory. Instead they seem to present the characters as a direct continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict, with Optimus Primal actually being a new form of Optimus Prime and Megatron being his Generation 1 counterpart, and their battles taking place on present day, [[human]]-inhabited Earth, rather than in the distant past. Once the cartoon launched, the toyline adjusted itself to match that continuity instead.) ''

===American animated continuity===
====''Timelines: Dawn of Future's Past''====
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwtimelines.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Pre-fur Optimus Primal, Maximal nobody.]]

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====''Beast Wars''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Gary Chalk]] (US), [[Takehito Koyasu]] (Japan)

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws1robot.jpg|left|thumb|Don't need no stinkin' shadows.]]

Optimus Primal was the captain of the exploration ship [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] when his crew got word that the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] criminal [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had stolen the [[Golden Disk]] and a [[Darkside|ship]] with [[transwarp]] capabilities. Primal's was the closest vessel that also possessed a transwarp drive, so the ''Axalon'' was sent to engage them. Primal followed the Predacons through a transwarp portal and appeared above a mysterious planet, but both ships were damaged in the ensuing space battle, and before both ships crashed into the planet's surface below, Primal ordered that the [[stasis pod]]s carrying the rest of his crew to be ejected into orbit.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws1ape.jpg|100px|right|thumb|This ape's for you. He's comin' atcha.]]

The planet was rich with [[energon]] -- so much so that prolonged exposure would short out their bodies, so the Maximals and Predacons were forced to take organic forms from the local creatures. Primal took the form of a silverback gorilla. Estranged from his comrades, the Predacon [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] challenged Primal to a duel soon after their arrival, seeking command of the Maximals so he could, in turn, defeat Megatron. Primal won both the duel and Dinobot's respect, and Dinobot joined their ranks.

Both sides entrenched themselves on their new world and the "Beast Wars" began. Strange unnatural sites and artifacts were discovered, leading Primal and the others to believe that aliens had seeded the primitive planet with experiments and traps. One such trap, the [[Standing Stones]], ensnared Primal's body for a short time, during which the Maximals scrambled to ascertain their chain of command. In his absence, the Maximals squabbled and fought over leadership, until finally his core consciousness was able to speak to them and name [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] as his replacement. Primal's body was subsequently retrieved from the Standing Stones, and he resumed command.

When [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] discovered evidence of the [[Vok]]'s imminent arrival, Megatron called a truce, which Primal reluctantly agreed to. While investigating a newly-created Vok installation, Primal was tortured and captured by the aliens, who spoke to him (in the form of [[Unicron]]) and told him of their plans to 'sterilize' the planet. Barely escaping the Vok base, Primal returned to the Axalon to find it overrun by [[Tarantulas]] and [[Blackarachnia]], who had turned a space stasis pod into an escape ship, in order to flee the doomed planet. As the planet's second moon was converted into a [[Planet Buster]], Primal took the ship to do battle with the superweapon, against the objections of his crew. Primal planned to detonate the ship's [[transwarp cell]] when in range of the weapon, after ejecting to safety. The plan worked - with the exception of the 'ejecting' part. Megatron remotely seized control of the vessel, overriding Primal's ejection commands. The Predacon commander taunted Primal as he futilely beat his fists against the pod, until the detonation obliterated the pod, the Planet Buster, and Primal, reducing them all to so much space junk.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws2robot.jpg|left|thumb|Transmetal Rippedimus Primal]]

Primal's [[Spark]] journeyed to the [[Allspark (dimension)|Matrix]], where it was soon recovered by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and placed in a [[blank]] [[protoform]], which became his new [[Transmetal]] body. Primal now transformed into a mechanical gorilla with a gorilla-on-a-hoverboard third mode.

[[Image:Optimusprimalbws2ape.jpg|100px|right|thumb|This ape's for you. He wants to love you.]]
Later on, Primal was captured and imprisoned in [[Metal Hunter|yet another Vok base]], this one controlled by his archnemesis Megatron. During a daring rescue attempt by the Maximals and Tarantulas, Optimus engaged in a furious battle with Megatron, destroying both the Metal Hunter and the alien disc. The Maximals then suffered a number of setbacks, including the death of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], the destruction of [[Transmutate]], and Megatron's acquisition of the deadly [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]]. However, the Maximals were soon greeted with good news; the realization that the [[transwarp wavefront]] created by the destruction of the Planet Buster would lead Cybertron to them, in order to mount a rescue operation. Help arrived soon enough, but in the unexpected form of the rebuilt [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], who had come to arrest Megatron for his crimes against the [[Pax Cybertronia]]. In the midst of this, Primal was forced to chastize new recruit [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] for his dangerous relationship with Blackarachnia. Primal assisted Ravage in arresting Megatron, but was soon betrayed by the ex-[[Decepticon]], allowing Megatron to escape and reach the [[Ark]], in an attempt to assassinate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]].

[[Image:Opop05.jpg|200px|left|thumb|Heart Burn, heart burn!!!!!.]]
Primal was forced to take the great Autobot's Spark inside himself to keep it protected. This caused his body to grow larger and stronger, gaining ground and air vehicle modes along with his previous gorilla form. This new "Optimal Optimus" successfully protected Prime's spark until it could be returned to his repaired body, saving history and the future from destruction.

[[Image:Opop04.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Tally Me Banana!!.]]
With the location of the Ark revealed, and Megatron now desperate to end the war at any cost, Primal was forced to move his Maximals into the volcano where the Ark's hull lay. This new, defensive war was much more difficult to fight, and disadvantaged the Maximals severely. With the loss of their defense system, [[Sentinel]], the awkward and violent maturation of Cheetor, proto-humans to guard, and the introduction of the previously treacherous and morally ambiguous Blackarachnia into their ranks, Optimus Primal had more than his share of problems to deal with.

The tide was finally turned when the Vok resurrected and combined [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Tigatron]] into the mighty [[Tigerhawk]], who obliterated the Predacon base. In the end, Primal's forces defeated Megatron's, and with the captured Predacon leader strapped to the roof of a borrowed Autobot shuttle, the Beast Warriors at last headed home.

====Beast Machines====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Gary Chalk]] (US), [[Takehito Koyasu]] (Japan)

Optimus Primal suddenly finds himself alone on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], back in his original organic gorilla body, unfamiliar with how he arrived there, and pursued by an army of tank drones. A supernatural force lead him to [[Rattrap]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Blackarachnia]], and though all four appeared to be succumbing to the effects of a deadly virus that keept them from transforming into their robot modes, he was able to lead them to the legendary [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]]. The Oracle reformated them into new [[technorganic]] forms that were immune to the virus.

Eventually, Primal and his allies learned that Megatron broke free durring their Transwarp flight home and so arrived on Cybertron before them. Megatron conquered the planet and laid a trap for Primal's crew and any other Transformers returning to Cybertron.

During the events that followed, Optimus Primal came to be much more in touch with his spiritual side than he ever was before, due to an almost mystical connection to the Oracle. This granted him visions and intuitions, guiding him to complete its designs. Though he had some trouble at first comprehending just what the Oracle wanted and how to go about it, he was, in the end, successful. Optimus Primal sacrificed his life, plunging with Megatron into the heart of Cybertron and innitiating the reformating that returned the deactivated population to life and gave birth to the new technorganic Cybertron.

====''Robots in Disguise''====
When a spirit guide was needed to counsel the [[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] of a past, alternate reality, Optimus Primal rose to the task.

====''Universe''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Garry Chalk]] (US, script reading)
His sacrifice to end Megatron's evil and restore Cybertron was not the final battle for Optimus Primal. When the machinations of [[Unicron]] led to a new conflict, with Transformers abducted from across the multiverse forced to fight for Unicron's benefit, [[Vector Sigma]] and [[Alpha Trion]] chose Optimus Primal to lead the [[Children of Primus]] against this threat. Primal was returned to life, and chose his old comrades [[Depth Charge]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] to return as well and aid him. (Returning Primal to life, however, also resulted in the resurrection of his old foe Megatron.)

====''Cybertron'' comic====
[[Image:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|right|thumb|It's 11pm -- do you know where your Beast Wars cast is?]]

[[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] recalled the end of the ''[[Universe]]'' conflict, where Optimus Primal led an assault on the [[Minions of Unicron]]. But due to [[Unicron]]'s sudden instability, Primal was victorious, and was able to escape back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with his troops and rescue a number of Unicron-corrupted innocents.

''('''Note''': Unknown to Primal, Unicron's dispersion was caused by the [[Unicron Singularity|Grand Black Hole]] in an alternate timeline.)''

===Japanese animated continuity===

====''Beast Wars II''====
[[Image:Burningconvoy.jpg|thumb|left|All these compliments are making me blush.]]
=====Movie=====
Optimus Primal was summoned across time by [[Lio Junior]] to help [[Leo Prime]] destroy [[Majin Zarak]]. Optimus Primal became '''Burning Convoy''' by joining the power of his matrix with Leo Prime's.

After Majin Zarak's destruction, Optimus Primal returned to ancient [[Earth]].

''('''Note''': The events of the ''Beast Wars II'' movie, especially Optimus Primal having an [[Energon Matrix]], did not occur in American continuity. It's not clear when during the Beast Wars Optimus Primal was taken.)''

=====Manga=====

When Leo Prime goes nuts and grows to giant proportions, wreaking havok across the landscape, Optimus Primal is summoned across time by the power of the Matrix to heal him.

====''Robot Masters''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Yuto Kazama]] (Japan)

Optimus Primal chased Megatron in yet another time warp into the Generation 1 era. There, he met and joined forces with the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Together, their special attack was a massive energon tornado called Double Convoy Tornado. The Double Convoy Tornado would come to be countered by [[Megatron (BW)|Beast Megatron]]'s and [[Megatron (G1)|Rebirth Megatron]]'s Double Megatron Tornado, but emerge victorious with the addition of Leo Prime's Lio Typhoon Arrow, creating Triple Convoy Tornado Link attack.

He also had a temporary virus-induced Black Body form.

''('''Note''': Since both were known as simply "Convoy" in their respective Japanese series, Optimus Prime was designated "G1 Convoy" while Optimus Primal was designated "Beast Convoy".)''

===''Beast Wars Metals'' manga continuity===

Optimus Primal, who was killed while destroying the Vok Planet Buster, is resurrected as a sparkless monster using a voodoo ceremony. Rhinox rescues Primal's spark from Transwarp Space and restores him to his body.

Later, he eats Optimus Prime's spark.

''The Metals Manga takes Primal's manic action hero side to the next level. He once put a bomb in his mouth and tricked the cannibalistic [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] into eating his head. "I have a spare," he says casually, transforming to beast mode.''

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-6'''

:The first Optimus Primal was a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removeable from under its wings for use as weaponry in robot mode. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:Whether this toy can be considered the Optimus Primal character is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Optimus Primal as a separate entity from Optimus Prime, the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series' [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting [[Micro-Continuities|micro-continuities]].

:This mold was also used to make [[Onyx Primal]].

* '''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''

[[Image:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Yes, missiles come out of his butt.]]

: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic transformation, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in its fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barrelled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of its back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or swing, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"mutant head" could be deployed over its robot head.

[[Image:prizeprimals.jpg|100px|thumb|right|Brass monkeys.]]

: Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. In January of 1998, the re-did many of the toys with a few alterations; for Optimus, they changed the black to dark gray and the blue to metallic blue. The missiles for the Takara version are also thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Universe]]'' Optimus Primal, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''Tele-V Magazine'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''Tele-V'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), blue-fur (a ''Comics Bom Bom'' design-contest prize, only five awarded), and colorless-clear with silver paint details (Toys 'R' Us retail [[exclusive]]).

*'''Convobat vs Megaligator'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
:This figure is a red [[redeco]] of Primal's first bat form, and was sold with a purple redeco of Gator Megatron.

*'''Orcanoch''' ([[Microverse]], 1997)
: Part of the Microverse toyline, this orca transforms into a Maximal base. It came with tiny, non-transforming versions of Optimus Primal and Tarantulas.

* '''Optimus Primal''' (Mega Transmetal, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-40'''

: [[Transmetal]] Optimus Primal is a mechanical gorilla that transforms into a partially organic robot. Like all Transmetals, it featured chromed plastic and a third vehicle-inspired mode -- in Primal's case, its gorilla mode could transform into a gorilla on a hoverboard. Two maces stored on his back, which could double as missiles for its hip-holstered blaster.

: [[Takara]]'s version of the toy exchanged the brown plastic for translucent maroon, and was also available in a set with Transmetal Megatron.

: This mold was used to make [[Apelinq]].

* '''Optimal Optimus''' (Super Transmetal, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-47'''

: Transmetal Optimal Optimus was the first toy in the Super size class, featuring electronics and four transformations -- robot, ape, jet, and armored transport. When a back section of the cannon module was pulled, its eyes and shoulder-mounted missile launchers lit up and fired. It came with four missiles, two of which stored on its legs. Its forearms featured blast-away armor plates that could also be pegged to its upper arms.

:Optimal Optimus's techspecs states that he has Cybertronian "air guardian" technology and twin scramjet modules. [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]'s function was Air Guardian, and his techspecs said he had these same scramjet modules.

: This mold was used to make [[Primal Prime]].

===Beast Wars II===
* '''Burning Convoy'''

===Beast Machines===
* '''Optimus Primal''' (Deluxe, 2000)
: The first Beast Machines Optimus Primal was a dark bronze and translucent blue technorganic gorilla that transformed into a technorganic robot. Its arm was springloaded to throw the shuriken that stored in its shoulder. Like all ''Beast Machines'' toys, it had a hidden "spark crystal" that displayed his faction allegiance.
* '''Blast Punch Optimus Primal''' (Mega, 2001)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-01'''

===Robots in Disguise===
* '''Air Attack Optimus Primal''' (Supreme, 2002)

===Universe===
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 2003)

===Robot Masters===
*'''Beast Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-11'''

*'''Beast Convoy Limited Black Version'''

: Available only via mail order through ''Hobby Japan'' magazine

* '''Burning Beast Convoy'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-21'''
:This toy referrs to the ''Beast Wars II'' movie form where he partnered Leo Prime, turning them into Burning Convoy and Flash Lio Convoy respectively.

===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:Optimusprimalbwx.jpg|left|thumb|125px|''Surf monkey/ that funky monkey'']]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (2006)

: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary (BWX) Optimus Primal is a new toy design based loosely on his original ultra ape action figure. It comes with a hoverboard that fires a missile when a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted. The board also features a spring-loaded extending "assault blade" (or "ass lt blade" as the directions call it). Though it is not ''intended'' to be removed, the blade can be popped off and held in Primal's hand thanks to his posable thumbs.

[[Image:PrimalXsword.jpg|100px|thumb|Opposable thumbs!]]

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed and released as [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. It's worth noting that the scuplt for both BW10 leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron''' (Toys "R" Us, 2006)
:Identical to the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' set as detailed below, but in new packaging with a DVD of the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Possession]]."

===Beast Wars Reborn===
[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwrebornheads.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Staring contest -- go!]]
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''

[[Image:Optimusprimaltoybwreborn.jpg|left|thumb|100px|The eighth Optimus of the world... PRIMAL!]]

: This release is a [[retool]] of the original 1996 Ultra toy, with new heads and robot chest sculpted to match the television series' portrayal. The color scheme was also altered to be show-accurate, changing the black to dark gray, much of the light gray to medium gray with hints of bronze, primary red to crimson, and blue to a more dull steel blue. This figure came packaged with a similarly-remolded [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] and a [[Golden Disk]] CD-ROM that contains control art for a number of ''Beast Wars'' toys.

===Titanium Series===
* '''Optimus Primal''' (3" Robot Master figurine)
Features Primal in his Beast Wars Season 1 appearance, with swords drawn in an action pose.

* '''Optimal Optimus''' (6" Transformable figure)

For undetirmined reasons, this incarnation of Optimal Optimus does not include the Beast Mode. Some fans have identified it more as a representative of [[Megatron]] from the final episodes of [[Beast Machines]] than as Optimus Primal.

===Timelines===
* '''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Boxset, BotCon 2006)

===Merchandise===

==Trivia==
* Primal's gorilla mode, paired against [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s t-rex mode, was inspired by the showdown in [[wikipedia:King Kong|King Kong]]. 
* According to a guide book published in conjunction with the ''Beast Wars II'' theatrical film, Optimus Primal's original body had the following technical specifications. The veracity of these numbers in relation to anything actually featuring Primal, of course, is questionable.

:Height: 2.8m (9.19 feet).
:Weight: 2 tons.
:Running Speed: 60km (37.28 mph, beast mode), 50km (31.07 mph, robot mode).
:Airspeed: Mach 7.
:Maximum Power Output: 1,000,000 horsepower.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm Optimus Primal at TFU.info]

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Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)

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'''''Beast Wars''''' is a Transformers franchise that began in 1996. Although Transformers had previously been through one rebranding in the form of [[Generation 2]], that change was largely superficial. With the change to ''Beast Wars'', the Transformers brand experienced its first complete reinvention. For the previous 12 years, Transformers had been robots who transformed into various machines, but in ''Beast Wars'' the robots transformed into animals -- and not merely robotic animals like the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], but realistic, "fleshy" animals.

The announcement of this change sent waves of outrage through Transformers fandom, which had only recently become well connected through the Internet, allowing much more rapid dissemination of news and discussion than in the days of paper newsletters.

Behind the scenes, the change in direction was related to organizational changes within [[Hasbro]]. Hasbro had recently bought out their rival toy manufacturer, [[Kenner]], and transferred their boys toylines from the Hasbro headquarters in Rhode Island to Kenner's Cincinnati, Ohio offices. Kenner was asked to revitalize the brand with new ideas, and that is exactly what they did.

The ''Beast Wars'' franchise featured the following primary components:
*[[Beast Wars (toyline)|A toyline]]
*[[Beast Wars (television series)|A cartoon series]]

The bios for the initial group of toys and the comic packed with the basic Optimus Primal VS Megatron two-pack seemed to establish the line as a continuation of the previous Autobot/Decepticon conflict on present day Earth, with Primal and Megatron representing merely new forms of the original Prime and Megatron. However, when the Beast Wars cartoon established an alternate storyline, setting the characters as distant decendants of the Bots and Cons engaged in a new war while lost in the distant past, the early toyline set-up was quickly abandoned and largely forgotten, but remains an intriguing [[Micro-Continuities|micro-continuity]].

The hugely successful cartoon was produced in Canada by Mainframe Entertainment, but also achieved wide popularity in Japan. Unwilling to wait for Mainframe to finish the second and third seasons of the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon, the Japanese produced two stand-in cartoon series, as well as accompanying toy lines:
*[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]
*[[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]

[[Dreamwave Productions]] had plans for a Beast Wars comic book series, but the company declared bankruptcy in 2004, before the first issue was released. Another Beast Wars comic book, [[The Gathering]], was published by [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] in 2006. And as of this writing, IDW is planning another miniseries and a group of guidebooks.

Despite initial misgivings by most longterm Transformers fans, ''Beast Wars'' has come to be widely appreciated for the quality of its toys and fiction. It is not at all unusual for a longterm fan, even one who has been with Transformers since its start in 1984, to consider BW to be their favorite Transformers franchise, a situation which would have been nearly unthinkable when the line premiered.

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Micro-continuity

2007-03-21T14:45:14Z

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[[Image:Decepticonhideout.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Well, Galvatron fears concrete in ''this'' continuity anyway.]]

Multiple Transformers media create multiple continuities within individual francises, the most famous being the cartoon and Marvel comics which contributed similar but irreconcilably different versions of [[Generation 1|G1]]. However, while the most prominent continuity variations are generally well known, there exist many "micro-continuities", small continuities which are either slightly or totally incompatible with the major Fictions.

The extent to which any individual micro-continuities should be regarded as a valid alternate continuity(/timeline/dimension etc.) or mere apocrypha is a matter of individual fans' taste and the domain of (multiversal) [[personal canon]].

Types of Micro-Continuities include:

== Limited Fictions ==
Stories told either a small number of works of Fiction that share an apparent single continuity, such as the [[Ladybird Books]], or even a single isolated work, such as the ''[[Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals]]'' video game.

Although often small and insignificant in the wider scheme of things, such tales often contain iteresting or unique takes on certain characters or situations, for example providing actual stories in which [[Ultra Magnus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] spent a prolonged period as opposing leaders, a staus quo clearly designed to be utilised as indicated by much of the lead-up to the movie and post-movie product advertising but which was ultimately never realised in the major fictions.

== Implied continuities ==
While not consistently represented by Fictions, some percieved micro-continuities arise as the result of discrepancies between the toylines and their accompanying main Fictions. In G1 this was mainly limited to cases where individual toy characters' appearances vary drastically from the cartoon (and, by extension, most other media) such as [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], but can also include discrepancies in tech specs such as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] being described as merely "Decepticon City Commander" and is implied to indeed possess a lower rank than unspecified superiors (to say nothing of the fact that him being the reformatted [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] is not even alluded to).

More Striking examples occur in ''[[Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines]]''.

=== Toylines vs. shows ===
Unlike G1, the [[Beast Era]] did not draw on multiple major Fictions (at least originally), leading to a fairly unified canon. However, due to the fact that both shows produced by [[Mainframe]] were early, pioneering examples of fully-CG animated series, they were limited in the number of characters that could be included, resulting in both series possessing much tighter casts than all other Transformers Fictions. Unique amongst the many Transformers franchises, The two Beast Era shows did not feature the encyclopaedic inclusion of every availiable toy as a character in its Fiction, a fact which some fans feel was a major contributing factor to the percieved higher quality of the characterisation and overall writing of these series. At any rate, ''[[Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines]]'' feature only a limited proportion of the overall number of characters created, and furthermore the tight continuity and respecitive premises of the shows leave little room for their inclusion in the canon even in an "off camera" capacity (although see below in "When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity?"). An additional problem in ''[[Beast Wars]]'' is that several characters such as [[Waspinator]] and [[Rhinox]] were featured as Transmetal toys while in the cartoon they did not recieve these upgrades, thus creating a further discrepancy.

How then to account for the large number of (non)existant toy characters? It is absurd to dismiss them completely, and thus there are a few viewpoints.
One can either presuppose that the toyline ''itself'' implies a micro-continuity in which the full number of toy characters coexisted, or one could attempt to reconcile these characters with a definitely-extant micro-continuity; that of the pre-cartoon series one tech-specs and minicomic.

==== The "G1 Beast Wars" ====
Tech Specs for the first waves of ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' indicated that the Beast Wars took place in modern-day Earth and that [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] were in fact just G1 [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in the latest in their long series of reformatted bodies. This storyline actually did exist in one installment of a Limited Fiction, a comic which was included with the Bat Optimus and Alligator Megatron 2-pack.

Although later Tech Specs were changed to reflect the cartoon (although this did not solve the Transmetals discrepancy), one can easily use these first-series materials to infer a micro-continuity existing that features a bat-mode Optimus Prime(al) leading troops that include the likes of both [[Rattrap]] and [[Armordillo]] against an alligator-mode Megatron and his minions such as [[Tarantulas]] and [[Iguanus]], duking it out for the fate of modern, urban Earth. Whether one presumes that Optimus and Megatron subsequently "upgraded" to their gorilla and T-Rex modes, or if one can then include later waves of non-show characters and even non-show transmetalisations is open to debate.

==== Crawling with Maximals ====
By the same token, the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines toyline]]'' contained many toy-only characters, both [[Maximal]], [[Vehicon]] and other groups who were again fairly incompatable with the tighly-plotted continuity of the cartoon that presents the dominant canon. A similar "implied continuity" can be posulated that would include these extra characters in an alternate version of events that supported a larger cast.

== When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? ==
There are some Fictions which have attempted to retroactively explain the presence (or rather absence) of the non-show characters in both ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]''. [[3H Productions|3H]]'s ''[[Universe (comic)|Wreckers]]'' comics and associated projects attempted to fill out much of the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' gaps in an arguably workable fashion, while more recently [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] tackled virtually every toy-only ''[[Beast Wars (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' character in ''[[Beast Wars]]'': ''[[The Gathering]]''. However, these two Fictions present contradictory information, and neither have (as yet) provided expansive storylines. Should these be considered major Fictions or mere micro-continuities themselves?

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User:PacifistPrime

2007-03-21T02:45:58Z

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Hi everyone!
I'm PacifistPrime, (from that you can probably guess who's my favourite 'bot, and my preferred interpretation of his character) a long-time, moderately hardcore Australian transfan, but not one who's ever really been involved in online discussion groups or fora. I'm old enough to have been into G1 when they were originally around, although I probably started a bit younger than some of you (I was born in 1981, but bear in mind that toys & the show hung around for quite a while here in Oz.)

Primarily a fan of G1 (toys, cartoon, comics, ladybird books... everything!) and ''Beast Wars'', although I also like ''Beast Machines'' and have a perverse soft spot for the ''Armada'' toyline, but definitely not the anime. In fact, my tastes are fairly hostile to most of the Japanese-originated Fictions, especially their unavoidably atrocious dubs, glacial plotting and overall "silliness". Not that that's stopped me from buying ''Headmasters'', ''Masterforce'' and ''Victory'' on DVD (twice), but that has more to do with me being a completist than actually enjoying it (as of this writing, it's taken me about 4 years to get through the first two series. Pure, unadulterated masochism...)

Japanese ''toys'' however are another story. Star Convoy a-go-go!

I'm not a Movie-basher... yet. I'm no fan of Bay and I dislike the designs both aesthetically and as poor adaptations, but I also had realistic expectations that they were never going to do true G1 (although I can't fathom why it couldn't have at least ''resembled'' it). I'll reserved judgement on the film itself until I see it.

I've been reading this wiki for about 6 months or more now and I love it! I like the fact that it has a sense of humour and isn't utterly anal-retentive like Wikipedia or Wookieepeidia (don't get me started...!). Although many of the users obviously have depths of knowledge greater than myself, I hope I still have some stuff of value to contribute.

My first two new articles I'm about to create ([[Scale]] and [[Micro-Continuities]]) will be very rough and in desperate need of improvement, so I invite people to contribute enthusiastically, especially in terms of images. If you find any of my views/interpretations contentious, please bring them up in the discussion pages.

Thanks!
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. PacifistPrime's flagratly opinionated list of flagrant optinions:

1] The [[Dreamwave]] era was a visual treat but most of the writing left me cold, even including the elsewhere-sainted [[Simon Furman|Furman]].
Oh, and [[Pat Lee]] can lick my chrome bearings.

2] I like the notion of Megatron founding the Decepticon movement, and I also like the idea that Optimus Prime is just the latest of a string of wartime Primes. However, I ''dis''like the resulting implication that Megs is in any way significantly older or more experienced than Prime. This is a paradox.

3] [[Derek Yangir]] is the most criminally-underrated TF artist since [[Geoff Senior]]. [[Generation 2|TFG2]]'s second issue has one of the top five TF covers ''ever''.

4] The Cybertronians being created by [[Quintessons]] as consumer goods is bullshit. However, I like Quints and yet without this they serve little purpose to the mythos. This is a paradox. (The "servants of Unicron" and Dreamwave attempts at reconcilliation don't work to well either)

5] If the G1-influenced movie is going to be considered part of a separate continuity family, then so should the IDW stuff. It's certainly more discontinuous from the original cartoon or comic than any other intermediate incarnation of G1. Plus it doesn't really even calim to ''be'' G1.

6] Time paradoxes are great, but the [[Covenant of Primus]] gives me a headache. And the idea that BW Megatron ''isn't'' named after G1 Megatron after all is weak sauce, sorry.

7] Internecine conflict within the Decepticon ranks is a must, so big-ups to the Marvel comic for having a fequent changeover of leaders. However, thumbs ''down'' for constantly making Megs everyone's beyotch. And pathetically paranoid.

8] People who try to argue that Galvatron is an entirely separate psychological entity from Megatron are grossly delusional. Altered personality; yes (to a degree). Different "person"; no.

9] I really dislike any language in Fiction which suggests that the Decepticons and Autobots are different "races" or "species" of Cybertronian, and I ''especially'' dislike Furman's assertion in ''[[Alignment]]'' (thankfully as-yet not revisited and, strictly speaking, non-canon anyway) that the Decepticons are all descended from the [[Leige Maximo]] and thus "born bad". Either of these notions is upalatably deterministic and injects suggestions of a race war, rather than a ''civil'' war in which individuals took sides for personal, philosophical or political reasons. It also doesn't gel very well with the notion that the Decepticons were a movement founded by Megs, nor the fact that some of the G1 characters reference their civilian lives ''before'' the war and their subsequent reasons for joining either side.

10] Rattrap is a shining golden god.

P.P.S. PacifistPrime's Big Heinous Theory (which, naturally, someone else may have also thought of too, but I've personally never heard it expressed anywere else).

Although I recognise it as ''totally'' unsupported by any ficti- ...well, okay, ''anything''; I have a particular theory which I like to quietly include in my own [[personal canon]], even though I wouldn't try to force anyone else into adopting my view. Essentially, although Optimus Primal and BW Megatron are ''not'' the same "people" as Optimus Prime and G1 Megatron, I like to think that are, in fact, the unknowing reincarnations of their G1 Ancestors. Following the argument that all [[spark]]s that ever were or ever will be come from the [[Allspark]]/[[Matrix|Creation Matrix]], experience a life outside it and then return, there is nothing to suggest that each spark only gets one trip. However it is generally accepted that upon returning to the Matrix the spark's accumulated life experience gets disseminated amongst all other sparks and thus the individual spark "loses its memory" before it comes back out for its next life.

However, as spark is essentially a soul, and thus although a new life's experiences will generate a different personality to some extent, the core "nature" of that spark would remain the same (nature vs. nuture, I know, I know). So, since there is no indication that either the G1 Prime or Megs are still alive (or likely to be resurrected yet again) by the time of the [[Beast Era]], it is perfectly plausible that their sparks could have been brought back as part of the "natural" cycle, ignorant of their pasts but possibly sub-sub-subconsciously influencing each character's affinities for their respective "ancestors" that manifests in having similar apperances and choosing the same names, not realising that they ''were'', in fact, their own former selves. Kind of like getting reincarnated as your own great-great-grandson.

This view is entirely compatible with the Fiction, as its unknown/unconsious nature doesn't actually affect the characters, but merely adds what I feel is a richer level of mythic subtext, the idea that Prime/al and Megs are destined to keep battling across eternity (and the multiverse, but that's another issue), not just through reformattings and resurrections, but even through reincarnation.

It's, like, deep.

This also provides another interpretation of Primal and Grapeface's "mutations" into their Transfmetal 2 bodies. Rather than simply the result of holding ''any'' two sparks in one body (or, as some have suggested, a particularly "powerful" second spark), which seems arguably unlikely given that the proceedure seemed capable of being done at the drop of a hat and yet the results were so unpredicted, it could be considered instead that the power-up mutation is the result of having two temporally-displaced copies of the ''same'' spark cohabiting a body. Sci-Fi is full of vague notions that time travellers can't/shouldn't interact with their past selves or wierd bad shit will happen. What if something similar were the case here, and by unknowingly taking their own sparks from an earlier point in history into their bodies, the conflicting yet identical energy resonances (insert technobabble of choice here) of two "temporally cloned" copies of a single spark could have, in effect, created a kind of internal time-storm thingy, the powerful energies of which mutated their superstructures?
...Yeah, well, it works for me!

P.P.P.S. If anyone's interested in knowing...
I'm a [[completist]] (of sorts) collector of Primes/Convoys and Megatron/Galvatron. I have a complete collection of every different transforming toy (i.e. each different moulding or retool) from Hasbro or Takara's main product lines. I don't buy every possible redeco, although I do try to get ones that have a basis in Fiction, e.g. Powerlinx (Armada) Optimus, Galvatron G (Galaxy Force). I've also collected "Prime-like" and "Megs-Like" characters like [[Ginrai]], [[Optimus Minor]], [[Lio Junior]], Scourge/[[Nemesis Prime]] (but not all [[Black repaint]]s automaticaly), BWII Galvatron, [[Magmatron]].

I don't distinguish between original releases and official reissues, mostly because I'm not rich enough to have that luxury. However, [[Star Convoy]] and Powermaster Prime are the only examples where I don't have the original anyway.

Although they don't strictly fit into my "must-have" definition, I've started to include transforming toys of Prime & Megs that aren't in "proper" lines, like McDonald's and Choro-Q figs, as well as non-transforming toys from the main-lines like the Action Masters and BW playset micro-figs. In a decidedly non-completist sideline, I also collect non-transforming "merchandise" Primes and Megses like Mega SCF, Revoltech, Kabaya etc.

I also tend to buy most versions of [[Starscream]] (and the [[Seeker]]s), Hot Rod/Shot/Rodimus (I view [[Hot Shot]] as basically 70% [[Hot Rod]][, 30% [[Bumblebee]]), [[Soundwave]] and [[Grimlock]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Blackarachnia (BW)

2007-03-20T23:08:19Z

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:''Blackarachnia is a [[Predacon]], [[Maximal]], and a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Beast Era]] [[continuity family]]. She gets around, huh?''

[[Image:Blackarachniabw.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Hot, poisonous, and deadly. Rowr!]]

A sultry femme fatale, '''Blackarachnia''' is smart, sexy, and dangerous. She's got eight legs, and she knows how to use them. Of the several rebellious Predacons under [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s command, she's one of the very few who can, on occasion, outguile him. Always looking out for Number One, Blackarachnia values her independence and freedom above all else. She would rather be deactivated than be a slave.

Blackarchnia's greatest weakness, other than her overconfidence, is her feelings for the Maximal [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]. Something about his heroic demeanor and the kindness he shows her makes her uneasy. She hasn't experienced unconditional love before, and it scares her, though she'll never admit it.

:''Spanish name: '''Araña Negra''' ''<br>
:''Japanese name: '''Blackwidow''' ''<br>
:''French-Canadian names: '''Mygale''', '''La Veuve Noire''' ''

==Fiction==
===Animated Continuity===
====''Beast Wars''====
[[Image:TM2 Blackarachnia.jpg|left|thumb|Calender Bot]]
'''Voice Actress:''' [[Venus Terzo]] (US), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japan)

Blackarachnia was born from one of the [[Maximal]] fallen [[Stasis pod]]s. [[Tarantulus]], watching a black widow fight and devour another spider, was inspired. [[Megatron (BW)]], observing the slim and attractive Blackarachnia transform and strike a few poses, suggested that he had "ulterior motives behind her beast form selection." But, she was a Predacon, and that was what was important.

Blackarachnia made herself reknowned among the ranks of both the Maximals and Predacons as a severe headache to Megatron. When Tarantulus found out about the [[Vok]], he tried to craft a stasis pod escape ship for himself, and she was there to forge a partnership {{storylink|Spider's Game}}. When [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] and Blackarachnia journeyed to the island, she was there to shove him out of the way and take control of the island herself, only defeated by [[Tigatron]] {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}}. When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] took control of [[Waspinator]]'s body, she was right next to him when he betrayed Megatron, betraying Starscream ''back'' {{storylink|Possession}}. When Tarantulus forced her to investigate Megatron's [[Golden Disk]] backups, she waited until Tarantulus was occupied to download and encrypt the recoverable information. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors, Part 2}}

When the Vok were moments away from returning, Tarantulus and Blackarachnia both again teamed up in an attempt to flee the dying planet. Megatron, already aware of the next move, used their deceptive tendancies against them, and acted unaware of their treachary. As they built their escape ship, he installed his own variant on the design, making it unescapable once sealed and in space. Though it did not destroy either of them, the result was even better; [[Optimus Primal]]. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}} Blackarachnia's wits saved her, as she convinced Megatron that he would need soldiers, which gave him reason to spare her life. {{storylink|Aftermath}}

When an energon blast sent her and Silverbolt into the middle of the dense jungles, they were forced to work together. Blackarachnia, though attracted to him, was endlessly frustrated by his seemingly idiotic chivalry and need to treat her special. Megatron, listening in to their commlink chatter, was disgusted by the obvious romance going on. Blackarachnia, though she held it under a firm charade of bitter irritation, rather liked the treatment and affection. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}

Megatron sent Waspinator to the location of the Ark. Blackarachnia, realizing what it meant, abandoned her post and went instead. Silverbolt followed her, and stubbornly refused to leave her alone. Exhausted and in a hurry, she conceded and told him to dig. The two broke through the mountainside, just as Megatron - having broke free from [[Ravage]], arrived. Megatron knew Blackarachnia had the codes to the Golden Disk that would allow them to get by the Ark's security systems, and he threatened to vape Silverbolt. Bitterly, she agreed to his demands.

Blackarachnia used the Ark's security system to cover Megatron's back, not sure of what he was planning. Once he fired upon [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], history began to change, wiping out all Maximals...which included herself. Not willing to die for Megatron, she activated [[Teletraan-1]]'s security nets to force Megatron off the ship. With Silverbolt's help, they got the dying Autobot leader under life support and begun the repairs. The Maximals, recognizing what she had done, reluctantly allowed her to join their ranks. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}}

Later, Blackarachnia took the [[Transmetal driver]] and attempted to use it on herself. Silverbolt, not realizing what she was planning, bailed her out of the contraption. Like every good girlfriend, she began to chew him out, but was cut off as an energy surge made her lose control of her circuts. A security system Tarantulus installed had been triggered by her tampering with her core, and the only way to fix it was to cut the Predacon [[shell program]] loose. Reluctantly, she agreed. An attack on the Maximal base disrupted the attempt, and she was deactivated.

Distraught, Silverbolt took off to avenge her death. He easily subdued Tarantulus, and was moments away from executing him when [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] attacked him. Blackarachnia, with her new and improved Transmetal 2 body, easily fought him off and rescued Silverbolt. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}

====''Beast Machines''====
'''Voice Actress:''' [[Venus Terzo]] (US), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japan)

In Beast Machines, Blackarachnia was distraught and confused - she was locked out of her robot mode, back in her original body, all of her allies were gone, Silverbolt had vanished, and she was being attacked by what looked like Cybertronian guards.

She had a relatively easy time adapting to her new technorganic form, but she was still frustrated by the loss of Silverbolt. When [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] saved her life, having strange recollections of doing so before, her mind was set - he was Silverbolt, mutated and made evil by Megatron.

Using some of the organic fluid from the Cybertronian core, she trapped Thrust in some of her webs and forced his inner personality out, begging for Silverbolt to answer. The reply was not quite what she was looking for.

[[Waspinator|"Doggie-bot not home!"]]

When [[Jetstorm]] attacked, he also was caught up in some of her organic goo, and his true personality came out, sweeping Blackarachnia in his arms. Silverbolt returned, but just for a moment. The goo vanished, and their Vehicon minds returned.

Later, Blackarachina managed to force Jetstorm into a large pool of the organic goo, and his body began to change. Scanning a nearby vulture skeleton, he awoke in a new body.

Blackarachnia was startled by the change in him. Instead of the lovable chivalrous knight in shining armor, he was a brittle, haunted bot, tormented by the images of the evil deeds he did, and did by choice. Though he gave up on himself, she never did, urging Silverbolt to forgive his past.

===Comics Continuity===

===3H Tales of the Beast Wars Comics===

===3H Universe Comic===

[[Image:TFU Blackarachnia vs Rattrap.jpg|left|thumb|Awww, did I do that? Whoopsie.]]
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===Beast Wars Metals Manga===

[[Image:Blackarach24.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Keeping something OUT of her crotch, for once.]]

''(Note: Although it picks up after the first season, the Beast Wars Metals manga is '''not''' in-continuity with the TV series.)''

Blackarachnia appeared through-out the Beast Wars Metals manga as a Predacon warrior, much as she did in the TV series. Unlike most characters, however, her design underwent the smallest change. While most characters got re-designs for laughs, the only change in Blackarachnia would appear that she's a bit smaller and "cuter".

===Transformers Legends Anthology===

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==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 1995)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-8'''

: Blackarachnia's original toy was a [[redeco]] of the [[Tarantulas]] mold, transforming into a rather generic-looking organic spider. It features a removable spring-loaded launcher hidden in its beast-mode abdomen; it nominally fires the "grappling hook" attached to its abdomen, but its front four beast-mode legs could also be removed and used as missiles. It's colour-scheme has virtually zero show-accuracy, a fact that will be remedied by a redeco in the 2007 Japanese re-release.

*'''Blackarachnia''' (Happy Meal Transmetal, 1997)

: Part of the second McDonalds ''Beast Wars'' Happy Meal pack-in, Blackarachnia's "[[Transmetal]]" form rather resembles some sort of dust mite more than a spider and the robot mode appears to have fallen out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down.

*'''Blackarachnia''' (Transmetal 2, 1999)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-48'''

: The Transmetal 2 version of Blackarachnia transforms into a large organic/mechincal monstrous spider, featuring a grappling hook, switching [[Faction symbols|faction symbols]], and a spin-kick action feature. This toy was initially hard to find at retail, as one of the toy's features, a piece of removable chest armor (no, really), was altered slightly, delaying later shipments.

: This mold was used to make the [[BotCon 2000]] [[exclusive]] [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]].

===Beast Machines===
*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 2000)

: An early toy in the ''Beast Machines'' line, Blackarachnia transforms into a [[technorganic]] spider. In spider mode, squeezing its pedipalps together raised its central fangs; they were spring-loaded to release and lower, respectively.

: This mold was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].

*'''Blackarchnia''' (Happy Meal, 2000)
: Happy Meal Balckrachnia is a super-simplified version of her retail toy, with a coloration much closer to the [[Mainframe (company)|Mainframe]] CGI model.

*'''Blackwidow''' (Deluxe, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-04'''

: Part of the Japanese Toys 'R' Us [[exclusive]] ''Beast Wars Returns'' series, this toy is a redeco of the orignial ''Beast Machines'' Blackarachnia in a more show-like maroon coloration.

===Universe===
*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 2003)

: For ''[[Universe]]'', Blackarachnia returned as a [[Decepticon]], and as a redeco of the original ''Beast Machines'' figure.

: This mold was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].

===Unreleased===

[[Image:blackwidowwildrider.jpg|right|thumb|Honda wouldn't appreciate their car being hot, poisonous, and deadly.]]

: In 2004, a group of test-shots made their way onto ebay, among them a [[redeco]] of the original ''Beast Wars'' Tarantulas/Blackarachnia mold in black with silver spider-legs and salmon-colored robot parts. Later, Hasbro's official website checklist featured listings for two "Halloween Horrorcon Value Packs" that were to be Wal*Mart [[exclusive]]s... which also likely explains why they were cancelled. (Wal*Mart had taken a good half-dozen exclusives and released them more-or-less simultaneously, leading to a huge glut. A lot of other ''Transformers'' exclusives were cancelled during the ''Universe'' era.) One of the sets was "[[Leatherhide]] Vs. Blackarachnia"... and thus, the mystery spider was confirmed, as the other test-shots in that group lined up with the name listings given in the sets.

: In 2005, the mold used for ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Decepticharge]] was presented as an upcoming release for the Japanese ''Binaltech'' line. Though a bio and story chapter was written to accomodate it into the ''Binaltech'' fiction, it was ultimately dropped when the toy was put on indefinite haitus due to low line sales. A single Photoshoped promotional image was released of the item. It has not been revealed as to how the story would have dealt with this time-displaced character addition, and is unliekly to, as ''Binaltech'' author [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] is unlikely to reveal confidential work-for-hire pieces, since he still works for Takara.

==Trivia==
[[Image:BL2.jpg|125px|left|thumb|Metal.]]
*Blackarachnia's original Beast Wars card art has her wearing a spike-studded collar. Dirty girl. Dirty, dirty girl.
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm Blackarachnia at TFU.info]

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Ravage (G1)

2007-03-18T13:53:59Z

220.239.53.31: /* Beast Wars */

{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Decepticon|the Energon Terrorcon|Battle Ravage (Energon)}}

:''Ravage is a [[Decepticon]] and [[Predacon]] in the [[Generation 1]] and [[Beast Era]] [[continuity family|continuity families]]. He is a chronic time-traveler.''

[[Image:Ravageboxart.jpg|right|thumb|350px|This is [[Ravage#Trivia|every comic book panel]] Ravage has ever been in. Well, okay, sometimes they rotate him a bit.]]

No Decepticon has a stronger loyalty to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] than '''Ravage'''. Ravage believes unwaveringly in the Decepticon cause, and Megatron embodies that cause. To serve Megatron, Ravage has become the most efficient and deadly war machine under his command. He hides himself in the shadows, waiting for the perfect moment to strike with grim accuracy. His name is synonymous with stealth. His survivors are few.

Ravage's only weakness is bright light, which can temporarily blind him. Perhaps his absolute loyalty to Megatron can blind him as well.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Jaguar'''<br>
:''Italian name:'' '''Jena'''<br>
:''Swedish name:'' '''Hunden'''

==Fiction==
According to the UK book [[Dinobot War]], Ravage's cassette tape mode is disguised as the soundtrack to ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cats_(musical) Cats].''

===Marvel Comics continuity===
''(Note: Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.)''

[[Image:Ravage_uk258.png|left|thumb|100px|The smirking Ravage was a chatty catty in the Marvel comics.]]

''Ravage was loyal bodyguard for the Overlords, the Autobots that once ruled all of Cybertron, for Generations. He witnessed as their planet-wide rule crumbled into a loose collection of feuding city-states.''

''During the Vos-Tarn war, Ravage, his partner [[Nightstalker]], Megatron and Optimus Prime.''

''While escorting the last Overlord, an enfeebled mechanoid who required constant re-energization to survive, out of the city of Tarn during the Vos-Tarn war, they were pinned down. Though the Overlord was near death, Ravage refused to give the Overlord any of his energy, instead allying himself with Megatron, whom he believed would be the future ruler of Cybertron.''

''As for Nightstalker, he blew himself up in order to take out the forces that pinned them down, proving just how gullibly loyal Autobots could be. Ironic how Ravage would make that same sacrifice for ''his'' leader millions of years later.''

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===Animated continuity===
Voice Actor: [[Frank Welker]] (US) [[Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese speech)
[[Image:Ravageg1.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Ravage reveals his slef (sic) to humans.]]

One of the original team of Decepticons that accompanied [[Megatron]] on the attack of the ''[[Ark]]'' spacecraft, Ravage was reformatted by [[Teletraan-1]] as an audiocassette to better blend in for operations based on Earth. Ravage served loyally as a Decepticon spy. He was one of the first Transformers to have been encountered by a human, as workers investigating a destroyed power station fell afoul of Ravage who pounced upon them and frightened them away.

Shortly thereafter, Ravage accompanied Soundwave on an infiltration mission to gather data from Teletraan 1. Though Soundwave was discovered, Ravage was captured in an energy net and held captive. The Decepticon spy figured into a disinformation plot hatched by the Autobots, who purposely leaked the presence of a rocket fuel depository in the outlying desert. In truth, there was no rocket base -- Autobot [[Hound]] projected a holographic illusion in the hopes of luring the Decepticons into a trap. The Autobots allowed Ravage to escape and report back to Megatron, who easily saw through the ruse.

===''Timelines: Dawn of Future's Past''===
Although he never shows up in the comic, he is mentioned as being recruited along with fellow [[Mini-Cassette]]s [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] by the Predacon [[Divebomb]], but for some reason left them soon afterwards to become an operative for the Tripredacus Council.

===Beast Wars===

====Toy Bio====
*'''Shadow Panther'''
:He looks like a Maximal, but he is really a Predacon. His thirst for the hunt can only be satiated by attacking many Maximals. Keep an eye on the darkness, for that is where Shadow Panther lives.

*''' ''Metals'' Jaguar'''
:The process of becoming a Predacon has cost Ravage some of his early Decepticon memories. His ability to become invisible is called Reflect Shade. His orders are to rid the planet [[Earth#Beast Wars|Energois]] of Transformers.

*'''Tripredacus Agent'''
:This lone assassin may look like a Maximal, but his irradiated spark is that of a Predacon. He was saved (and presumably rebuilt into a Transmetal 2) by the Vok. He can hide his energy signature, thanks to his unusual spark. In his history as a Predacon, he has adopted many names to better suit his covert line of work. His weapon is a low-radiation proton bomb launcher. As he loves the dark, the light is his weakness.

====''Beast Wars''====
'''Voice Actor:''' [[Lee Tockar]] (US), [[Toshiyuki Morikawa]] (Japan)
[[Image:BWRavage_introduction.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"I will ask you only once more... Where are moose and squirrel?"]]

Ravage is one of the few Decepticon warriors who was granted amnesty at the end of the Great War and reformatted into a Predacon. He was sent by the [[Tripredacus Council]] to capture [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], clean up any messes he might have made, and deal with the rest of the beast warriors. Ravage made the trip to prehistoric Earth in a specially modified stealth [[Transwarp Cruiser]]. He successfully contacted the [[Maximal]]s and allied with them to capture Megatron. Due to the stealth capabilities of his ship, and the fact that [[Tarantulas]] was also an agent of the council, Ravage and the Maximals easily captured Megatron and imprisoned him. {{Storylink|The Agenda, Part 1}}

Megatron, however, had one more card to play. He knew that Ravage wasn't going to let any of the Beast warriors live, and also knew he had the one thing that would turn Ravage to his side. Using a fragment from the [[Golden Disk]], Megatron played Ravage the message on it from the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Ravage, still driven by loyalty to ''his'' Megatron, joined the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] and turned on the Maximals. {{Storylink|The Agenda, Part 2}}

His latest treachery was short lived. During the assault on the [[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]], [[Rattrap]] infiltrated his ship and caused an explosion that destroyed the vessel and Ravage himself. His head, seemingly all that remained of him, was knocked into the water below the Axalon by one of Tarantulas' [[spider-drone]]s. {{Storylink|The Agenda, Part 3}}
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====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
[[Image:Ravage Teansmetal2.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Make up your MIND, will you?]]

Magmatron recovered Ravage's heavily-damaged torso, which still contained his spark. He then inserted the spark into a blank [[protoform]], and Ravage was reborn. In his Transmetal 2 body, he and his fellow Predacons, under the command of Magmatron, sought out [[Razorbeast]]'s band of Maximals. Viewing from a safe distance, Ravage ordered his soldiers to engage. Additional Maximal forced arrived, however, and Ravage's forces were defeated. Ravage retreated into the wilderness. {{storylink|The Gathering}}

(''Despite being a continuity that borrows heavily from other G1 continuities, where it is suggested that Ravage is completely loyal to Megatron, before attempting to revive Ravage, Magmatron suggests that Ravage's most important loyalty is to Ravage himself. This could simply be Magmatron's opinion, however, and is not necessarily indicative of Ravage's true loyalties.''

''Ravage never uses his robot mode in this story. Instead, he stands up on his hind legs in beast mode.'')

====''Primeval Dawn'' comics====
An undead [[Vok]]-infested [[Tarantulas]] revived Ravage (in his Tripredacus Agent TM2 body) to help boost his forces. The remnants of Ravage's previous body were recycled by the Vok to re-create [[Tigatron]]. {{storylink|Universe (comic)|Primeval Dawn}}

===''Binaltech''===
Ravage's part in the Binaltech storyline is a bit more complicated than past incarnations. Several years prior to the line's continuity, government-run [[Intelligence and Information Institute]] (or Triple I) unearths a msyterious black box during an archaeological dig. After years of probing, the container, dubbed "Schrödinger's Box" by the group's scientists, was revealed to be the flight recorder of Predacon Ravage's stealth ship, containing a copy of the feline's personality and memory engrams. When the scientists found a way to communicate with this personality, it offered them its knowledge of future events in exchange for a new body. Triple-I agreed, and used a fake Binaltech project to provide their part of the bargain. However, to truly bring the new Ravage to life, Triple-I stole the present-day Ravage - who had been somehow captured by the [[Earth Defense Command]] and stasis-locked into his cassette mode - and implanted him into the new Ravage, thereby 'fusing' the old and new Ravages into one.

This new Ravage, however, had no intention of fulfilling his end of the bargain and, after eliminating his benefactors and learning to his shock that history did ''not'' change in his faction's favor, decided to rectify his mistake. First on his agenda was his former commander, Megatron; stealing an Autobot shuttle, he located and repaired the [[Kronosphere]] and - during a decisive battle between Megatron's and Optimus Prime's forces that would have normally ended with the Autobots being forced off of Cybertron and into their moon bases - turned the weapon on his own faction, trapping Megatron and his crew in a space-time rift. This alteration in the timeline served two purposes: first, it would give the Autobots the chance to retake Cybertron, which would then lead to them having to face off against the oncoming [[Unicron]] alone, severely weakening them in the process. The second, and more important, purpose was to keep Megatron alive and in good health, thus preventing him from becoming the insane [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], and allowing him to lead the Decepticons to victory over the battle-weary Autobots. Ravage also reformatted [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] into a new Binaltech body of his own, so he could lead the remaining Decepticons in Megatron's absence, and secretly drailed many of the Autobots' supply missions, further weakening them for their battle with the Chaos Bringer.

Unfortunately for him, the Autobot named [[Overdrive]] became aware of Ravage's meddling in history, thanks to his acute sensitivity of the timestream, and - with the help of [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] - captured the wayward Decepticon and forced a confession out of him. Ravage, however, was not without a trump card, revealing that his alterations ''may'' prevent the deaths of many of the Autobots destined to die in the normal timeline (which, as a distinction between the two, was dubbed 'Prime Time' by Wheeljack, Ravage's altered timeline being called 'Ravage Time'), though in the grand scheme of things, only Optimus could not be considered expendable, as he contained the one thing that could bring down Unicron (the [[Autobot]] [[Matrix of Leadership]]). By the time of his capture, however, Unicron had already been sighted on a collision course with Cybertron and, despite the temptation of preventing future deaths among his ranks, Optimus decided Ravage's plans to be too dangerous to allow to come to fruitition. To that end, he ropes [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] into helping him fly to Unicron in a preemptive strike against the monstrous threat, while the other Autobots (left in the command of [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]), were to initiate "Operation: Distant Thunder", which involved sending a copy of Wheeljack's memories of what Ravage confessed to them, back in time to a point prior to the Decepticon panther's meddling, via the energies located on [[Dinobot Island]]. If "Operation: Distant Thunder" worked as planned, Ravage's plans would be foiled, and any tremors in the timeline he caused would be smoothed over by "Project Body Shop" (aka, the Binaltech project). However, just as Skids gives the signal to transmit the memory engrams, the Autobot base is rocked by an entire fleet of Decepticons. It is unknown as of now if "Operation: Distant Thunder" succeeded or not, or what Ravage's fate will be.

===''Beast Wars Metals'' manga===

''(Note: although it picks up after the first season, the Beast Wars Metals manga is '''not''' in-continuity with the television series.)''

In the ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga, Metals Jaguar was portrayed as G1 Jaguar's homicidal son, with Jaguar taking the design of the Happy Meal Panther toy.

===Kids Stuff Read-Along book===
Ravage immediately recognized what a hydro electric station was, a method of generating power used on Cybertron "way way back in the mists of time," when Transformers were not much more advanced in science than humans are now.

This suggests that Ravage is among the oldest of the Decepticons (even Megatron only feigned familiarity with this form of technology), or that he's a serious student of ancient energy generation techniques.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Ravage / Rumble''' (Caesstte, 1984/1998/1986/1987)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''19''', '''D-59''', '''D-104'''
[[Image:G1Ravage_toy.jpg|left|thumb|Behold... the world's skinniest jaguar.]]

: The first Ravage toy transforms from a robotic jaguar (or whatever) into a microcassette. In cassette mode, he can fit into the tape compartments fo the [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster]] toys. For his [[Hasbro]] release, he was sold on a card along with [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] in 1984-1986, and as an individual with an extra clear-plastic tape-case by [[Takara]] from 1985-1987.

: This mold was later used to make [[Glit]] and [[Howlback]].

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*'''Soundblaster''' (Transformers Collection, 2005)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''18'''

[[Image:G1Jaguar(reissue).jpg|right|thumb|A light breeze is enough to defeat him.]]

: The [[Transformers Collection]] [[reissue]] of Soundblaster (the rebuilt form of Soundwave from the Japanese [[Headmasters (franchise)|Headmasters series]]) came with bonus "Cassettrons" Jaguar (Ravage) and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]. Both came with their own extra tape-cases, and small stickers depicting the 'weak points' of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortess Maximus]].

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*'''Soundwave''' (Decepticon, 2007)

: Hasbro's reissue of Soundwave is a [[redeco]] of the Transformers Collection Soundblaster, coming with the double-tape door and both Ravage and Buzzsaw as pack-ins.

===Beast Wars===
* '''Shadow Panther''' (Deluxe, 1996)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-7'''

[[Image:ShadowPanther_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Fuzzy kitty!]]

: This toy is a [[redeco]] of the original [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] toy in black, silver, and yellow, transforming into a generic big feline. His tail/flanks separate to form a non-firing blaster, while his underbelly forms a water-shooting "gut gun" that can be used in either mode.

: Much later, this toy was offered through Hasbro's online collector service under the name "'''Tripredacus Agent'''", with an online bio indicating he was the same character as Ravage (then called "Tripredacus Agent" due to [[trademark]] isuues).

: This mold was also used to make [[Tigatron]], and was planned to be used for the cancelled ''[[Universe]]'' toy [[Nightprowler]].

* '''Jaguar''' (Deluxe 1999)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''X-9'''
[[Image:JaguarX9_toy.jpg|left|thumb|Metal kitty!]]

: ''Beast Wars Metals'' Jaguar is a heavy [[retool]]ing of [[Transmetal]] Cheetor, just as Ravage's CG model in the show is an altered Transmetal Cheetor. He transforms into a robotic big cat, with flip-out thrusters for a third "flight" mode. His forearms each have a spring-loaded flip out pistol stub, which can be extended with add-on barrels that clip to his rear legs in beast mode. his tail also can detach to forma whip-weapon, but he doesn't hold it very well.

: Unfortunately he does not still transform into a cassette tape that plays wicket '80s electric guitar, like he does in ''The Agenda''. This probably has something to do with Takara's sad inability to perfect viable mass-shifting technology for incorporation into their toys. At least, that's what they ''want'' us to think...

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* '''Tripredacus Agent''' (Deluxe, 2001)
[[Image:TripredacusAgent_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Mutant kitty!]]

: This Wal-Mart [[exclusive]] is a redeco of --wait, can you guess?-- Transmetal 2 Cheetor, in black, silver, and gold, transforming into a monstrous techno-organic (but not [[technorganic]]) big cat. He has a spring-loaded missile launcher on his cat-mode back that can be removed and used as a hand-held weapon, plus his tail detaches to forma hand-held flail. His left forearm has a flip-up blaster-shield (of dubious usefulness), while flipping up a panel on his right-rear leg reveals his [[spark crystal]].

===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
* '''Soundwave''' (2003)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF 05'''
[[Image:STFRavage.jpg|left|thumb|So tiny... So CUTE!]]

: The ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' version of Soundwave comes with a ''teeeeeny'' version of Ravage, which does actually transform into a microcassette that fits in the tape-case door. Smallest Ravage may very well be the actual smallest functioning ''Transformers'' toy made.

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===Alternators===
* '''Battle Ravage''' (2004)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-11'''
[[Image:AlternatorsRavage(Corvette).jpg|right|thumb|He brakes for Meow Mix.]]

: A retooling of ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Tracks]], "Battle" Ravage transforms into a 1:24-scale licensed replica of the Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Convertible, with opening doors, hood, trunk, plus a "realistic" driver/passenger compartment. Each robot-mode forearm contains slide-out (non-firing) double blasters.

: This mold was also used to make ''Alternators'' [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]].

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*'''Ravage''' (Alternator, 2007)
[[Image:Alternatorsravagejaguar.jpg|left|thumb|100px|The Kittymobile.]]

: The second version of ''Alternators'' Ravage transforms into a 1:24-scale licensed Jaguar XK (appropriately enough), with all the normal bells and whistles inherant in the line (opening doors, seats, etc). This is a toy of many "firsts"... not only is he the first ''Alternators'' character with two distinctly-different toys, he's the first Decepticon Alternator with a original mold (well, alongside [[Rumble]], but still), ''and'' the first ''Alternators'' character to have a non-humanoid "robot" mode, as his non-car form is now a quadrupedal big cat.

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==Merchandise==
*'''Ravage Decoy'''
: ''Decoy ID number:'' '''49'''

: Coming packaged at random on carded ''Transformers'' toys during 1986, this is a soft-rubber version of Ravage in his jaguar mode. He --like all Decepticon [[Decoy]]s-- was available in both purple and red, with the red version being considerably rarer. These are not erasers!

==Trivia==
* Ravage's original packaging art is by far the most-copied depiction of any Transformer. It was, of course, adapted for his ''[[Transformers Universe (Marvel Comics)|Transformers Universe]]'' profile [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ravage], but was also used (twice) in 1985's "back-of-the-box" battle scene [http://www.botchthecrab.com/galleryImage.asp?gallery=7&image=33], was copied in licensed coloring books and storybooks, and the pose also showed up repeatedly in the Marvel Comics. In "[[Time Wars, Part 2]]" (Marvel UK #200), artist [[Robin Smith]] copied the art multiple times across several subsequent panels. Yikes.

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ravage Ravage Transformers Universe profile]
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Ravage/ravage.htm Ravage at TFU.info]

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Galvatron (BW)

2007-03-15T03:11:01Z

220.239.53.31: /* Trivia */

{{disambig3|Galvatron}}

:''Galvatron is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Emperor of Destruction]] during the [[Beast Wars]] era of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:BW2Galvatron01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Evil in pink.]]

The Predacon New Emperor of Destruction, '''Galvatron''' journeyed to Planet [[Gaia]] in search of a powerful energy source. He is a strong and cunning warrior, though a little on the crazy and suicidal side. His younger brother, [[Megastorm]], secretly desires to overthrow his brother and take his place as Emperor. Galvatron is well-aware of this, however, and lets it slide out of love for his li'l bro.

He is incapable of not grimacing like a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle, even during one of his narcolepsy attacks, unless it is... The Final Battle.

==Fiction==
====Beast Wars II catalog====
[[Image:MegatronGalvatronBW1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"It's 'light salmon', NOT PINK!"]]

On planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] once disagreed with Galvatron over opinions on galactic conquest, and engaged him in battle over it. At the time, Megatron momentarily let his guard down, and was defeated by Galvatron!

Later, Megatron noted that while Galvatron was ambitious, he cared for his underlings - and although he he was loathe to admit it, he acknowledged that Galvatron probably had all the regal bearing of a new [[Emperor of Destruction]].

In the seventh month of the Space Year 1999, Galvatron's plans would bloom...

===Beast Wars II cartoon===
'''Voice Actor:''' ''[[Tetsuo Komura]]'' (Japan)

While battling [[Leo Prime]] in space, Galvatron and his Predacon forces went through transwarp space and arrived on the planet [[Gaia]]. The [[Angolmois]] energy riddled throughout the planet proved to be a powerful energy source which Galvatron desired to possess. Galvatron downloaded a drill-mode and a dragon-mode from information stored in a computer which was left behind by the planet's extinct inhabitants. The new transformation modes proved powerful but left Galvatron with an awful side-effect; without warning he'd slip into Angolmois energy-induced comas.

When he wasn't sleeping, Galvatron fought Leo Prime and his Maximals on numerous occassions. At the same time, he fought off ambitious Predacons such as the treacherous [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]], [[BB]] and even his own little brother, [[Megastorm]], the Duke of Destruction.

[[Image:GalvatronBW1.jpg|right|thumb|Yo ho yo ho a pirate's life for meeeee!]]

He also briefly gained control of the legendary "God of Destruction" [[Majin Zarak]], although this would be only temporary.

Galvatron eventually set his final plan into motion, summoning his battleship, the "artificial planet" [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], into Gaia's orbit. The ship then proceeded to suck all the Angolmois energy out of the planet and stored it within. The Maximals followed Galvatron and his Predacons to the Nemesis to stop him. Leo Prime and [[Lio Junior]] merged into the Great Green Lion and narrowly defeated Galvatron in battle, thwarting his plans by ejecting the Angolmois energy from the Nemesis in capsules.

Defeated but not willing to surrender, Galvatron activated his [[Galva-Matrix]], which set off a self-destruction sequence in the Nemesis. The explosion killed Galvatron, sent the Predacons drifting helplessly through outer space and trapped all the Maximals within a wormhole.

===Beast Wars II manga===

===Beast Wars Neo cartoon===
After stealing all the Angolmois capsules from [[Magmatron]] and [[Big Convoy]], the [[Blentron|Blentrons]] released the energy into the corpse of Galvatron. Galvatron's body then served as the vessel of the reborn [[Unicron]].

==Toys==
===Beast Wars II===
*'''Galvatron''' (Ultra, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-16'''

==Trivia==
*According to the first Beast Wars II catalog, Galvatron's battles with Leo Prime took place at roughly the same time as [[Optimus Primal]]'s battles with [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], possibly indicating that the original Beast Wars crew also originated from "Space Year 1999". However, this seems highly inconsistent with even the notoriously vauge progress of the G1-to-Beast Era timeline.

*For unknown reasons, while Galvatron's toy was purple in color (similar to [[Galvatron (G1)|his namesake]]'s animation model), he was primarily colored pink in the Beast Wars II and Neo animation.

==External Links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1998/Destron/Galvatron/galvatron.htm Galvatron at TFU.info]

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Megatron (G1)

2007-03-08T04:31:06Z

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:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Megatrong1.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Baby, you know I don't mean to hurt you.]]

'''Megatron''' is (sometimes) the founder of the Decepticon uprising, and their most well-known and feared leader. As a young, charismatic leader forged in battle and the heritage of war, he began to believe in a grand purpose for his race -- it is the Transformers' glorious destiny to rule. He feels great contempt for other Transformers who, he feels, betray their proud heritage by demanding peace and cooperation with weaker life forms. It is the destiny of the Decepticons to bring order to the universe through conquest, though in the millions of years since coining this purpose it remains to be seen how much of his mission statement is altruistic... and how much of it is mere words built to fuel warriors to further his desire for personal power.

Megatron will attempt almost anything to achieve his goals, but his schemes are rarely in any way subtle. This is perhaps due to his arrogance, but his pride is not so strong as to dissuade him from abandoning a battle he is losing. Some would question his sanity, though these few are mostly now dead by his hands.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
''(Note: Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.)''
[[Image:Megatrong1marvelarmy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|No, not fascist at all.]]
Four million years ago, ''rising from his beginnings as a gladiator for the city-state of [[Tarn]],'' Megatron and the Decepticons developed the ability of transformation, using it to begin the war against the Autobots, who fought back by mimicking the technology. Megatron declared his intent to transform [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into a "cosmic dreadnought" to conquer the universe. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)|The Transformers}} ''However, he would only get as far as building massive engines deep beneath the planet's surface. {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!, Part 1}}''

Megatron also vowed to possess the planet's superdatabase, the [[Underbase]], for himself, so he followed a young Optimus Prime on his quest into the [[Temple of Knowledge]], where he destroyed the temple's curator, [[Boltax]]. In order to keep the Underbase out of Megatron's hands, Optimus Prime destroyed the temple and launched the Underbase into space. {{storylink|The Flames of Boltax!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1earlymarvel.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Check out my awesome preproduction model!]] ''After the death of [[Sentinel Prime]], Megatron's troops poised themselves around the Autobot capital city of [[Iacon]], slowly disintegrating its defenses. [[Emirate Xaaron]] chose [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], a warrior, to take the [[Council of Autobot Elders]]' place as leader of the Autobot forces. Optimus Prime and Megatron's armies then met in battle, and Megatron's forces were defeated - with help from an exploding bridge. {{storylink|And There Shall Come... A Leader!}}''

In time, the war grew so fierce that Cybertron itself was shaken from its orbit, and set adrift in the cosmos. Eventually, over a thousand years after Megatron's war had begun <ref>The length of the war is given as "over a thousand years" in [[The Transformers (comic issue)|Marvel Comics #1]], but it's said to be just a hundred years in Marvel UK's [[Legion of the Lost, Part 1]].</ref>, the planet fell into the path of an asteroid cluster in the Sol system that threatened to destroy it, and so Optimus Prime led a contingent of his troops in the Ark to reduce the asteroids to rubble, saving Cybertron. The plan was a success, but immediately afterwards, Megatron and his troops attacked, forcing Optimus Prime to crash the Ark into prehistoric Earth.

Four million years later, in 1984, the Transformers were reawakened, and Megatron immediately set about trying to locate a source of fuel for the Decepticons. Unable to ingest common Earth gasoline, the Decepticons kidnapped [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] and forced him to develop a conversion process. Megatron soon found his Decepticons and his base of operations under seige by the Autobot [[Gears]] and a strange superpowered human named [[Spider-Man]]. The pair escaped with Sparkplug, but not before he had managed to convert Earth fuel into usable energy.{{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelblackhole.jpg|thumb|left|150px|My god. He's full of stars.]]

''After an argument with Megatron, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] left their headquarters and set about on a plan to position himself above Megatron in the eyes of his comrades. [[Ravage]], sent by Megatron to spy on Starscream, was discovered overhearing Starscream's treachery, and so Starscream tried to eliminate the elusive jaguar. This enraged Megatron, who punished Starscream by having him duel the Autobot [[Brawn]]. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}} Soon, Megatron and the full fury of the Decepticons under his command, sieged the Ark itself, but his attack was stopped short by a malfunctioning [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system. Captured with Optimus Prime in a stasis field, Auntie's fatal intentions towards them prompted Megatron to activate his rarely-used ability to tap into the power of a black hole. This proved unnecessary after [[Ravage]] and [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] saved them, so Megatron moved to use his cosmic power on Prime - until Windcharger magnetically launched him out of the Ark and into the stratosphere. {{storylink|Raiders of the Lost Ark}}''

While Sparkplug was kidnapped, this had only afforded him the chance to poison their fuel, and the Decepticons were forcibly deactivated at the end of a climactic fight between the two factions. The Autobots were not saved, however, as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] suddenly arrived and defeated the Autobots with a single blast. He brought the Decepticons back online to serve him - including Megatron. Chafing under his command, Megatron battled Shockwave, but was soundly defeated.

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelhumiliation.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Get used to this, Megatron.]]This forced Megatron him into an alliance with [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], who located and reactivated the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had defeated Shockwave in the past. However, Ratchet loosed them on Megatron, and was willing to sacrifice himself to knock Megatron off a cliff. While Ratchet survived, Megatron disappeared for some time.

Soon, however, Megatron re-emerged, trapped in pistol mode, his higher brain functions disconnected. Used as a weapon by wannabe gangster, [[Joey Slick]], Megatron eventually restored himself, and was impressed enough with Slick for standing up to him that he allowed him to live. But at this point, Megatron was desperately low on fuel, and attacked a coal mine, attempting to locate some, when he eventually completely ran out, and froze in place. He was soon located by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who brought him back online, and they subsequently entered into an alliance with the human [[Donny Finkleberg]], who used the alias of "Robot-Master" to con humankind into thinking the Transformers worked for him.

Shockwave and Megatron entered into a period of shared leadership, but when a two-pronged attack by the Autobots saw Megatron defeated by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], and Shockwave allowing the Autobots to capture the secrets of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], Megatron was able to spin the situation and reclaim his leadership.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltarget2006.jpg|left|thumb|250px|SPOILERS!]]
''A mysterious Decepticon called [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], along with his henchmen [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], entered the Decepticon camp and claimed he was the future Decepticon leader from the year 2006. Megatron found this preposterous, but though he tried to destroy the alleged imposter, he and Soundwave were buried under rubble by the powerful newcomers. Megatron was retrieved from the rubble by [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and he and the Autobots forged an uneasy alliance against Galvatron. This was still not enough, as Galvatron (who was revealed to be Megatron himself from the future) easily disposed of all of them, and was only deterred when he was tricked into believing he had travelled back in time to a past that would not become his own future. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

''Megatron summoned the [[Predacon]]s to Earth with the intention of having them hunt down Optimus Prime, but Shockwave used the opportunity to try and remove Megatron from the picture. After trailing Prime through a forest and bringing him to his knees, the Predacons turned on Megatron, blindsiding him, stealing his fusion cannon, and absconding. When Megatron came to, he continued hunting Prime, but when the Autobot leader attacked him, he summoned the [[space bridge]] in hopes of escaping to Cybertron, only for Prime to be transported with him. On Cybertron, Megatron established contact with local Decepticon commander Lord [[Straxus]], whose body had been destroyed by [[Blaster]], leaving him a head floating in a jar.''

''Straxus soon came to consider the irrational Megatron a liability and sought to dispose of him by transplating his mind into Megatron's body, giving him mobility again while trapping Megatron in his remains. Megatron resisted the transfer, however, and the process went awry, leaving both Straxus and Megatron's minds trapped in Megatron's body together. Outwardly, Megatron seemed to become more and more unstable as the two personalities inside him battled for control; when attacked by Prime and [[Ultra Magnus]], he even proved desperate enough to use his anti-matter manipulation powers, nearly destroying the entire Decepticon complex, until [[Ratbat]] activated the space bridge and sent him back to Earth. Straxus's consciousness fled Megatron's body, and Megatron himself was left with no memory of the whole affair.''

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltooclever.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yes, you're very smart. Shut up.]]
In order to attain possession of a new energy-generating device, the hydrothermacline, Megatron battled Optimus Prime in a video game duel, using a cheat code to continue the fight after he had lost. Prime defeated him again, but at the expense of some of the game's characters, and ruled himself the loser because he would not have committed such an act in real life. Prime was destroyed, and Megatron's elation soon turned into paranoia, as he had not killed Prime with his own hands, and believed he could still be alive. Bringing the Predacons ''back'' to Earth, Shockwave had them pose as Autobots and attack Megatron in another attempt to remove his threat, but the plan failed when the deranged Megatron defeated even [[Predaking]]. Believing (correctly, as it would turn out) that Prime's mind could have been preserved on computer disk, Megatron descended into outright insanity, and boarded the space bridge, vowing to go where Prime could not follow - right before he blew it up with his fusion cannon, apparently killing himself.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltwomegatrons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|buggabuggaWHA?]]''Megatron's absence allowed a contingency plan arranged by Lord Straxus to be put into motion. In the event that his attempt to seize Megatron's body failed, Straxus had had a clone of Megatron created, complete with a copy of his brain patterns, into which his consciousness retreated following the previous debacle. Straxus lay dormant within the clone, which was activated following Megatron's seeming demise, and sent to Earth, to the sewers beneath [[London]]. There, the clone - believing itself to be the genuine article - battled the Autobots, [[G.I. Joe|Action Force]], and the mechanoid [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]], and wound up submerged in the Thames river.''

''Some time later, it was salvaged by Shockwave, who brainwashed it and unleashed it on [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], a recreated future version of Megatron who had traveled back in time from the year 2006 and posed a threat to Shockwave's leadership. The clone Megatron, however, saw a possible partner in Galvatron, and the two teamed up to battle Autobots and Decepticons from both present and future in the apocalyptic [[Time Wars]]. Subsequently, the clone returned to Cybertron, where it defeated the ruling Decepticon Triumvirate, but was then confronted with the ''real'' Megatron - ''the Spacebridge explosion had deposited him in the Dead End region of Cybertron, where he had wandered, with no recollection of who he was, until he had saved [[Blackjack|a Decepticon]] from Autobots and regained his memories.'' The clone Megatron subsequently destroyed itself to prevent Straxus, buried inside its mind, from taking over.''

[[Image:Megs_ratch.jpg|right|thumb|200px|As you can tell, the Marvel Comics weren't very good to Megatron.]]
While Megatron's [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]] created a diversion which pitted Optimus Prime's forces against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s, Megatron sent his [[Micromaster]] [[Sports Car Patrol]] to capture Ratchet from the Ark, bringing him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Threatening Ratchet with the destruction of the Ark and all of his patients aboard, Megatron forced him to recreate Starscream as a [[Pretender]]. Ratchet did so, but also restored [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in the same manner, thwarting his scheme, and also bringing the explosives on board the Ark through a [[trans-time dimensional portal]] into Megatron's base. When Megatron then attempted to flee through the portal, Ratchet tackled him as the Decepticon's base exploded around them, apparently killing them both. {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

Soon after, however, Autobot detective [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] discovered that the explosion had actually blown them through the portal, and he dispatched a probe to pull them back from the gaps between reality. However, when they rematerialised, it was revealed that the explosion had fused the two enemies together, into a hideous, twisted mockery of a being, which ran rampant through the Ark. The half that was Ratchet begged Optimus Prime to kill them, but Prime could not, and had the [[Micromaster]] [[Fixit]] separate their bodies. Unfortunately, Fixit could not separate their minds, as they were bonded at a molecular level; one could not survive without the other.

Their separated bodies lay in the Ark's medbay until Grimlock pumped them full of [[Nucleon]], though the revitalizing effect took some time to help Ratchet and Megatron come to. Megatron awoke to find [[Galvatron II]], another version of him from the future, wandering the halls of the Ark as it returned to Earth. Galvatron II, driven to insanity, initially tried to kill Megatron to purge the memory of him that haunted his mind. Megatron was in no state to comprehend what was going on around him, and began interpreting Galvatron II's blows as coming from Ratchet.

Though Galvatron II and Megatron eventually came to terms with each other while beating up Shockwave (he and Starscream had stolen the ship), vowing to join forces and take over the galaxy, Ratchet doomed them all by igniting the Ark's engines and spiralling the Autobot spacecraft into the Earth below. Megatron was presumed dead among the remains that constituted the crash site in northern [[Canada]]. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}}

=====Earthforce=====
''In an offshoot of the Marvel timeline following the restoration of the Autobots aboard the Ark with Nucleon, but before... uh ... ''(okay, see [[Earthforce]] for continuity notes, it's pretty complicated...)''
[[Image:Megs_earthforce.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The real culprit behind global warming]]

''Somewhere in the [[Arizona]] desert, Megatron and the [[Constructicon]]s built a rocket that would launch into Earth's atmosphere and detonate, converting the atmosphere into [[energon]]. He was interrupted by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and though Megatron insisted they were too late to stop the rocket, {{storylink|Starting Over!}} Prowl rode the rocket into the atmosphere, and was able to destroy the satellite the rocket carried before it released its gas canisters. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Now that [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s [[Earthforce]] had installed itself to counter Megatron and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s Decepticons on Earth, the two leaders decided to hold a [[Bad Guy's Ball]] to foster unity. This event was sabotaged by the Earthforce, and once again, Megatron and Shockwave's respective groups were at each other's throats. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}}''

'''''(Note: The following three sections all split off from the end of the Generation 1 comic, but in three different, irreconcileable directions.)'''''

===="Another Time And Place" text story====
[[Image:Megatrong1anothertime.jpg|right|thumb|50px|Ew.]]
Trapped in nontransforming Action Master bodies, Grimlock and the Dinobots snuck a shuttle to [[Hydrus Four]], where rumor had it a new, less destructive brand of [[Nucleon]] had been developed. However, the allegedly defeated Decepticons were waiting for just such a trip, and followed the Dinobots to the planet's surface, where they were ambushed and captured. Grimlock woke up to hear endless chants of "Megatron! Megatron! Megatron!" as technicians had strung up the late Decepticon leader's body, culled from his supposed doom on Earth, for repairs. Bludgeon would revive him, revive their fallen, and then the war would begin anew.

But Bludgeon wouldn't get the chance. The cavalry arrived, and Optimus Prime's Autobots quickly quelled the Decepticons' would-be resurgance. As Bludgeon was taken apart to pieces by a vicious repair spider, a partially-restored Megatron, a visual monstrocity, lunged half-alive at Grimlock and Optimus Prime. With a double-teamed punch, Megatron's undead corpse was easily defeated. The war was truly over. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}

====Generation 2====
[[Image:Megatrong2cobra.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Green with evil!]]
Although thought dead for a year or two, Megatron had actually survived the Ark crash (though his mental link with Ratchet was forgotten), and had quietly worked to repair it, concealing it beneath the ground. From there, Megatron tracked a signal, mistakenly believing it was another Transformer, but instead he found the shape-shifting castle of the terrorist organisation, [[Cobra]]. He entered into a bargain with its leaderder, [[Cobra Commander]], offering him the technology of the Ark in exchange for the new weapons his organization was developing. Reconstructed into a new tank body with a powerful rail gun, Megatron defeated a squad of Autobots sent to stop him, and then turned on Cobra, capturing the scientist who had developed his gun, [[Dr. Biggles-Jones|Doctor Biggles-Jones]] and escaping in the Ark.

Both [[Skydive (G1)|Skydive]] and [[Spike Witwicky]] had snuck on board, and following a clearly one-sided battle with Spike's [[Headmaster]] partner, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], Megatron was seemingly killed again when Fortress Maximus threw himself into the Ark's power core, destroying it once and for all. But Megatron (and a repaired Starscream) rejoined the Decepticons on Earth to challenge the current Decepticon leader, Bludgeon. Bludgeon was deposed, fatally, though Megatron continued many of the Pretender's ongoing projects, such as calling the attentions of Optimus Prime to Earth by indiscriminately rampaging across it. When Prime finally showed up, Megatron's old foe at first attempted to talk and join forces against the new threat of [[Jhiaxus]] and his [[Advanced-Decepticon]]s, but Megatron ignored him, ripped the [[Creation Matrix]] from his chest, and left to infuse a new generation of warriors with life. But after securing the galvanizing additive known as [[Rheanium]], his forces were bested by Jhiaxus.

[[Image:megatrong2idiot.jpg|thumb|300px|Megatron's getting a little too self-aware.]]Megatron himself was humbled brutally in battle against Jhiaxus, so he entered into an alliance with the Autobots to "put their house in order." Conversely, they were betrayed by Starscream, who joined forces with Jhiaxus' troops, alerted Jhiaxus to the location of the Autobot/Decepticon camp on Earth, and then again betrayed both sides by using the opportunity to steal the Creation Matrix and Megatron's [[War World]]. Starscream, using the powers of the Matrix, fused himself with the War World, which gave Megatron and Optimus Prime great difficulty as they fought their way through its shifting insides. Ultimately, Starscream relinquished the Creation Matrix to Optimus Prime when it was discovered that the artifact was making him nice, allowing Megatron to load a ship with canisters of [[Rheanium]] gas and head back to Earth, where the [[Swarm]] was beginning its attack. Megatron arrived just in time to coat the remaining Transformers with the gas, which protected them from the Swarm long enough for Optimus Prime to defeat the Swarm with the Matrix. The Swarm departed, changed into a force for good, leaving both Autobot and Decepticon seemingly united for good.
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====Fun Publications ''Classics'' comics====

''(Note: The Classics comic takes place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a new timeline that does not include the events of the G2 mini.)''

[[Image:Megatronclassicscrossingover.jpg|left|thumb|175px|This can't be the Marvel Comics -- his helmet isn't black!]]
Fifteen years had passed since Megatron supposedly died along with Shockwave, Starscream, and Ratchet when the Ark crashed violently into the Yukon. The defeated Decepticon army scattered, and the Autobots were able to return to a peaceful Cybertron.

Inexplicably, Megatron returned (in a new body) and once again stalked the Earth, rallying the remaining Decepticons to him. Eventually, Megatron, roaming free, stumbled across [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] and [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], who had travelled from [[Unicron Trilogy|their universe]] in a fantastic energon/forcefield explosion, but his evil intentions for them were interrupted by human-piloted [[Armored Robot Hunters]] and subsequently a small team of Autobots led by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}}
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===Animated continuity===

====Generation 1 cartoon====

:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Seizō Katō]] (Japan)<br>

[[Image:G1Megatron-LD.jpg|left|thumb|Megatron has no nostrils.]]
Following a war between the Decepticons and the other robot race, the [[Autobot|Autobots]], the Decepticons were defeated by the Autobots' invention of transformation, which allowed them the advantage of stealth. The Autobot victory in the war began the [[Golden Age of Cybertron]], but a viper lurked within this paradise. Eventually, Decepticons too developed transformation, leading to the creation of Megatron by the [[Constructicon]]s. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4|FFOD, Part 4}}

Gathering a small number of troops together, Megatron made a small strike on an outer city, killing the current Autobot leader. However, this event was not made public knowledge, and young robots like the naive [[Orion Pax (G1)|Orion Pax]] still looked up to Megatron and his followers because of their new robot-mode flight powers. However, Pax soon learned the error of his ways when Megatron duped him into allowing him access to [[Energon]] warehouses, and Megatron fatally injured him in a scuffle. However, the ancient Autobot, [[Alpha Trion]], reconstructed Pax into a battle hardy configuration - now, he was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], leader of the Autobots and Megatron's sworn opponent as the civil war erupted again. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

[[Image:G1Megatron-Flail.jpg|right|thumb|Megatron and his energy flail/mace/morning star/thingamajig.]]
Eventually, the war drained Cybertron of most of its energy, necessitating that both factions seek out new worlds and new sources of power. Megatron and his elite forces pursued the Autobots' craft, (referred to as the [[Ark|The Ark]] in Beast Wars, following the ship's name from the G1 Marvel Comics) in their star cruiser (referred to as the [[Nemesis]] in Beast Wars) and attacked and boarded the craft, causing it to crash on a prehistoric planet, entombing all on the ship in emergency stasis as it crashed into a dormant volcano. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1|MTMTE, Part 1}}

Four million years later, a volcanic eruption reactivated the Transformers and the war began again on the energy-rich world they found themselves on; Earth. After their first series of battles, the Autobots believed Megatron and the Decepticons destroyed when their new space cruiser crashed into the [[Pacific Ocean]], but in reality they survived and reconstructed the cruiser to serve as a sub-oceanic staging base and bunker. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2|MTMTE, Part 2}}

Megatron re-established contact with Cybertron, and began construction of an intergalactic transport system called a "space bridge," although the early tests nearly resulted in his destruction when he was sucked into the portal and teleported to Cybertron. The technology was eventually stabilised, however, and used in a grand scheme to transport Cybertron through space into Earth's orbit, where the natural disasters its gravity wreaked created tremendous energy that Megatron and the Decepticons gathered. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}}

The Earth was saved, however, when Megatron's stockpiles of energy were detonated by the Autobots, the explosion forcing Cybertron out of orbit. Again, however, Megatron was able to cheat death, and was forced to team up with Optimus Prime in order to stop the machinations of his treacherous lieutenant, [[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction}}

In his next scheme, Megatron absorbed all the separate powers of the other Decepticons into himself, and challenged Optimus Prime to one-on-one combat. With the added abilities of all his minions, Megatron easily defeated Prime in the battle, but when his deception was revealed, he and his followers were defeated in a group attack. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

Over the following years, Megatron's schemes to obtain Earth's energies continued. His assorted plans included various attempts to harness the power of Earth's core, thefts of several unstable energy devices from human scientists, the draining of energy from a time-lost prehistoric island, and partnership with a human politician that allowed him to force the Autobots off of Earth, and actually allowed him to conquer [[Central City (G1)|Central City]] among [[Giant Purple Griffin|many]], many others. {{storylink|The Core}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} {{storylink|Aerial Assualt}}

====Transformers the Movie (1986)====

Eventually, however, Megatron turned his attention away from Earth, and succeeded in completely conquering Cybertron by the Earth year 2005. Learning the Autobots were preparing a strike against the planet, Megatron and the Decepticons intercepted the shuttle sent to Earth to acquire energy to power the raid, and unleashed a mighty assault on [[Autobot City]]. In the course of the conflict, word was sent to Optimus Prime, who arrived the following morning after the slaughter and confronted Megatron in another one-on-one struggle. Megatron appeared beaten, but spying a discarded pistol, stalled for time by pleading for mercy as he attempted to reach it. The young Autobot Hot Rod then intervened, tackling Megatron, but the Decepticon was too powerful for him, seizing him and using him as shield as he grabbed the pistol and opened fire on Prime. The wounds were fatal and sent Prime to the grave - but not before he delivered his own final blow to Megatron, seriously damaging him and forcing the Decepticons to flee.

On the return trip to Cybertron, it became necessary to jettison excess mass, or the Decepticons would be unable to reach the planet. The wounded Decepticons were voted out, and set adrift in space, including Megatron. But this was not to be the end for the great slag-maker, as the world-devourer, [[Unicron]], found him and recreated him into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

====Fight! Super Robot Life Transformers manga (Japan-only)====

Between the second season and ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Movie]]'', Megatron shifted the focus of his energy plundering schemes to the energy-rich [[Japan]]. His many schemes, including attacking with the [[Seeker]]s and [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and turning himself into the [[Super Megatron Gun]], were thwarted by the Autobots and their new human ally, [[Kenji]]. His one major success, however, was sending [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and [[Reflector]] to steal secrets from [[Scramble City]] which he used to build [[Trypticon]].

====Scramble City OVA (Japan-only)====

Hoping to thwart the construction of [[Scramble City]], Megatron sent his entire army of [[combiner]]s to the city's secret location (which had been discovered by [[Ratbat]]). The Autobots struggled to fight off Megatron's combiner army until [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] activated Scramble City and sent in [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], who fought the Decepticons off. Megatron then revealed his trumpcard: Trypticon.

====The Transformer manga (Japan-only)====

After the events of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and ''[[Five Faces of Darkness]]'', Galvatron attempted to destroy the Autobots with a legion of Megatron clones dubbed [[Megatron Military|"The Megatron Military"]]. Each clone was equipped with its own unique fusion cannon and were capable of combining the blasts into an intense attack. As a unified force, the Megatron Military crushed [[Rodimus Prime (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. Their victory was assured until Rodimus managed to deduce that the Megatron Military was being controlled by Galvatron. As it turned out, Galvatron was actually disguised as one of the Megatron clones. Once Rodimus defeated Galvatron, all the Megatron clones lost power and were easily vanquished.

====''Robot Masters'' (Japan)====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Jirō Saitō]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Rmrebirthmegatron.JPG|thumb|HAH! I fooled you for all of five seconds!]]
In the exclusive Japanese toyline, ''[[Transformers: Robot Masters]],'' whose story began in the timeline of the G1 animated series, but branched off at some point in the twenty-year interim between seasons 2 and 3, Megatron was lost in an undisclosed accident, leaving his time-displaced ''Beast Wars'' descendant to take his place as Decepticon leader (the toyline applied the qualifying titles of "G1 Megatron" and "Beast Megatron" to the characters to distinguish them). As events progressed, it was revealed that G1 Megatron's consciousness took possession of the body of a "Convoy" (an Autobot leader) known as [[Reverse Convoy]], leader of the planet [[Vehicon_(planet)|Vehicon]], via an inter-dimensional uplink to a black hole, and then used it to pose as an ally to the Autobots, only to betray them by revealing himself as the aptly-named "Rebirth Megatron."

====Battlestars: Return of Convoy'' (Japan-only)====
[[Image:Supermeg.jpg|left|thumb|Super Megatron transforms into a "spaceship"]]
''(Note: With his transformation into Galvatron, Megatron departed from the animated continuity, until five years later, in the Japanese-exclusive storyline, ''Battlestars: The Return of Convoy'', which, although not animated itself (told instead through one chapter of [[manga]] and several [[story page]]s), continues the tale of the cartoon universe.)''

In the previous Japanese-exclusive animated series, ''[[Headmasters (television series)|Headmasters]]'', Galvatron had been apparently destroyed when he was buried on an iceberg. In the ''Return of Convoy'' storyline, a new evil force named [[Dark Nova]] recovered Galvatron's body, and restored him to life as '''Super Megatron''', pitting him against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Battlestars: Return of Convoy (Japan-only)|Star Convoy]] (the reborn Optimus Prime) and his Autobots. Super Megatron didn't fare too well against his old adversary and was swiftly defeated. Dark Nova then upgraded him into '''Ultra Megatron''' who had a similar success rate.

For the final battle, Dark Nova merged with the remains of Ultra Megatron and formed the massive [[Dark Nova|Star Giant]]. Star Giant was virtually invincible from the outside, so Star Convoy, [[Grandus]] and [[Sky Garry]] traveled inside his body and began tearing up the joint. As soon as they'd inflicted enough damage, the trio escaped just as Star Giant detonated, leaving only his head some-what intact. Fortunately for Megatron, his body was stored within the head, allowing him to survive the explosion.

====Generation 2 manga (Japan-only)====

[[Image:JapG2Meg.jpg|right|250px|thumb|He hasn't lost his nack for monologuing in his old age]]

After [[Battlestars]], Megatron recovered from the Star Giant incident and returned to his original body. Appearing to have discarded his evil ways, he joined with Optimus Prime to form the [[Cybertron Alliance]] and ushered in the Second Generation of Transformers. However, after human soldiers killed one of his dearest comrades, he adopted a new body and began the war anew.

Megatron coordinated an onslaught of attacks which mortally wounded Optimus Prime (who had adopted a new missile trailer mode to counter Megatron). Megatron then delivered the fatal blow, personally, and believed his enemy dead. Killing Optimus Prime wasn't so easy, as the [[spark|sparks]] of the previous Autobot Supreme Commanders within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] used the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] to transform Optimus into Battle Convoy. The fight raged on for a while until Prime managed to drive the Decepticon forces to retreat into outer space.

=====Generation 2: "The Earth is in Danger!"=====

''(Note: this manga special is '''not''' in continuity with the Japanese G2 story pages and minicomics.)''

In the year 199X, the Decepticons had learned of a powerful new energy source known as [[forestonite]] which just happened to be located (surprise surprise) on [[Earth]]. Megatron sent his trio of [[Cyberjet]]s to Earth first to draw out the enemy Autobots. The Cyberjets made quick work of [[Electro]] but were soon halted by the appearance of Optimus Prime.

Megatron then entered the fray and fired his Black Hole Burn attack from his fusion cannon, narrowly missing Optimus Prime but vaporizing [[Hooligan]] in the process. Prime fought fiercely but Megatron began to take the upper-hand in battle.

However, Prime was encouraged to keep fighting by the cheers of a human boy named [[Junpei]]. Megatron, surprised at Prime's resiliance, attempted to finish his foe off with his Tornado Axe attack. Prime countered with his Double Wheel-Torque Mega-Ton, which trumped Megatron's attack and injured the Decepticon badly. Megatron teleported back to his ship and left Earth's atmosphere, vowing to return.

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===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books continuity===
:''Voice actor: Earl Hammond(?)''

In ''[[When Continents Collide]]'', Megatron calls Soundwave a "blundering tape-filled idiot." This is notable because it is hilarious. Also, Megatron totally sounds like "Mumm-Ra" from ''Thundercats''. This version of Megatron also has an odd obsession with drills, mole machines, and other burrowing devices, as he uses them frequently in his plans for energy gathering and conquest.

===Marvel Books Big Looker Storybook continuity===

[[Image:KidsCliff1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|MTV pimps Megatron's ride.]]

In ''[[The Great Car Rally]]'', a bunch of humans set up a race for charity. The victor would received a year's supply of oil and gasoline. Well, the Decepticons desperately wanted that bounty, so rather than just steal it, they decided to sneak into the race. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] was one of the Autobots driving in the rally and was unaware that the scary black Cadillac was actually being driven by Megatron! Megatron dogged Cliffjumper for quite a while but ended up losing to the Minibot. Cliffjumper won the race and everybody smiled, even Optimus Prime

Frighteningly.
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Megatrong1gladiator.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Gladiators can afford extra paint applications.]]
Young Megatron was a gladiatorial combatant in the depths of [[Cybertron_(planet)|Cybertron]]’s underworld. As victory upon victory mounted, he began to realize that the games were nothing more than an elaborate conspiracy by the [[Council of Ancients]] to divert the attentions of the masses from the dangerous truth of Cybertron’s history. When Megatron began to show interest in Cybertron's buried past through exploration and research, the Council of Ancients attempted to have him assassinated - a plan that only resulted in stirring up even more discontent among Cybertronians, allowing Megatron to begin recruiting for the Decepticon movement. [[Image:Fledglingcause.jpg|left|thumb|350px|Megatron is so grass-roots.]]First his "inner circle," then many of the gladiators, and then finally disgruntled civilians answered his call to action. The Decepticons were born. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

Megatron's forces began a civil war of Autobot against Decepticon in order to mask his reactivation of the ancient planetary engines buried beneath Cybertron’s surface. As a result, Cybertron would be transformed into a massive warworld that would cut a swathe of destruction through the galaxy. This plan failed. During a conflict with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron's lieutenant [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] activated the planet mechaforming process too soon, resulting in the destruction of the machinery.

Roughly 7.4 million years BCE, Megatron and Optimus Prime disappeared in an early test of the then-unstable [[Space Bridge]] matter-transport system. Spending an undisclosed time on the planet [[Quintessa]], Megatron returned with an overwhelming army of lifeless [[Air Warrior|seeker clones]], quickly subjugating Cybertron. ''(This story was never finished due to the closure of Dreamwave, though the seekers and presumably Megatron as well were eventually defeated.)''

Four million years BCE, Cybertron was threatened by a massive approaching asteroid, so Optimus Prime led a contingent of Autobots aboard the [[Ark]] to blow the rock to fragments, which were transported away by an orbital Space Bridge network. When this task was completed, Megatron chose this moment to strike, attacking the Ark with his troops. Crippled, the craft flew through one of the Space Bridge portals, and was transported to prehistoric Earth, where it crashed, entombing the occupants in stasis for four million years.

The Autobots and Decepticons were reactivated in 1984, but specific details of the battles were unrecorded until 1999, when a Autobot/Human military alliance succeeded in capturing and deactivating the Decepticons. However, the [[Ark II]] spaceship carrying them back to Cybertron exploded shortly after liftoff, and the Transformers were believed destroyed. In actuality, they had been scattered back to Earth, where they lay in [[stasis lock]] across the globe for three years. This slumber was brought to an end when [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]] (aka Lazarus), a rogue military scientist who had devised a method of controlling Transformers, salvaged many of the fallen Cybertronians and reprogrammed them as mass killing machines, which he then attempted to sell on the black market. Megatron was first to break free of the human's control, overriding the new programming and capturing Lazarus during an auction. Megatron forced Lazarus to watch as he unleashed a technorganic virus designed to transform all of Earth into a new Cybertron. It also served to lure Optimus Prime and the Autobots, also now reactivated, to his location. Megatron, tired of the war, continuously asked Prime to join him. After his first failed attempt, Megatron unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on [[San Francisco]], ensuing in mass slaughter, in an attempt to show Prime the humans were not worth fighting for. However, the selfless sacrifice of several firemen restored Prime's faith in humanity and allowed him and the Autobots to beat back Megatron.

Several months later. Megatron was subliminally summoned to a remote area in Alaska along with the other Earthbound Transformers. There they battled until Megatron's former second-in-command, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], arrived and revealed that in their absence the war on Cybertron had ended. He arrested Megatron, Prime, and their troops as war criminals. Megatron, weakened by battle, was quickly defeated by Shockwave and loaded aboard his shuttle for return to Cybertron, only to have Starscream seize the opportunity by jettisoning him into space on the return trip. Megatron used the time floating in space to contemplate his existence and the Decepticon goal. Realizing that he had wasted millennia in his feud with Prime, Megatron resolved to once again conquer Cybertron as a means of enhancing the Transformer race and strengthening it from outside threats. It seemed as through he would not live to accomplish this goal, however, as death closed in on him... only for him to be retrieved by the [[Junkion]] [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. Wreck-Gar took Megatron to the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and repaired and re-armed him, as well as digging up and reactivating a number of seeker clones that had wound up there after being dumped through space bridge portals. Megatron returned the favor by stabbing him in the back with an energy dagger.

Traveling to the Planet [[Beest]], Megatron defeated the exiled Decepticon warlords, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], and rebuilt them into the mightiest of all combiners, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], to serve as his ace in the hole in his quest to reclaim leadership of the Decepticons. Moving in stealth on Cybertron, Megatron defeated Shockwave, severing his laser arm and forcing him into servitude. He then returned to Earth to collect the remaining Decepticons under Starscream's command, and to teach Starscream a lesson long in coming.

''While it was alluded that Megatron had a grand goal in mind that also included the subjugation of the [[Quintessons]], the remainder of the story has yet to be told due to the closure of Dreamwave. However it has been stated by representatives of IDW publishing, the current holders of the Transformer comic license, that once Dreamwave has exited bankruptcy court, they intend to finish the story.''

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=== IDW comics continuity ===
[[Image:Megatrong1idwpreearth.jpg|left|thumb|150px|700 years ago, his helmet was black, but now it's gray. The difference time makes, huh?]]The war between Megatron's Decepticons and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots was so great that it created an impending energy crisis and threatened the stability of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] left Cybertron, secretly pursuing alternate energy sources, Megatron asked [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to investigate his files. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}

Later, a Decepticon scientist, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], came to Megatron with a revolutionary, controversial plan to stave off this energy death by encasing themselves in "symbiotic carapaces," or shells created from living tissue. When Megatron dismissed him angrily and cut him down, Thunderwing did not abandon his research and instead experimented on himself. As a result, this made Thunderwing so powerful that Megatron had to join forces with Optimus Prime to stop him. This battle on [[Thunderhead Pass]] accelerated the apocalyse destined to befall Cybertron, leaving it an uninhabitable, radioactive husk and forcing both armies to continue their war on other worlds.

[[Image:Megatrong1idwgunbody.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I ''also'' wonder.]]Seven hundred years later, in current times, it was discovered that Bludgeon had, as a result of digging through Shockwave's files, resurrected Thunderwing's dangerous project. Megatron ordered [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]], in a ship orbiting Cybertron, to obliterate the planet if necessary. However, Optimus Prime and the [[Wreckers]] were able to thwart both Bludgeon and a reanimated Thunderwing, and so destruction of the planet wasn't necessary. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

Megatron, meanwhile, was on Earth, investigating Starscream's infiltration team. He discovered that Starscream had stumbled across [[Ore-13]], an incredible energy source which had been [[Spotlight: Shockwave|mysteriously seeded there]], and that the Air Commander was planning to use it to usurp Megatron's command. After seriously damaging the hesitantly rebellious [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Blitzwing]], Megatron faced a super-powered Starscream. Though the Ore-13 made Starscream a formidable adversary, Megatron was still more deadly than he, and Starscream was destroyed; whether he can be restored is still unknown. {{storylink|Infiltration}}

Megatron took stock of Starscream's progress on Earth, in light of the discovery of Ore-13, repaired Skywarp and Blitzwing, and made Starscream's former troops aware, in no uncertain terms, that any further insurrections would be met with deadly force. But instead of leaving Earth in the hands of a new commander, Megatron stayed to guide into the second stage of the Decepticons' plans, wishing to try out his new Earth-inspired handgun [[altmode]]. {{storylink|Escalation}}

He then uses Ore-13's power for fancy mass-displacement technology and turns into a pistol for use in human hands, proclaiming himself to be the most powerful living weapon in the universe. Or maybe he just wants to be held.
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===''Beast Wars''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Garry Chalk]] (US)

The original Megatron made three appearances (four if you count the scene removed from "Nemesis") in the Beast Wars TV series. He first appeared in a flashback in "The Agenda" inscribing a message on the [[Golden Disk]]. His second apperence, also from "Agenda", was in the message itself. The third apperence, in "Master Blaster", Megatron was shown offline in the [[Ark]] as [[Megatron (BW)]] takes his spark. A fourth apperence, which showed [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] returning the Decepticon leader's spark to his body, was removed because of time constraints but was included as an easter egg in [[Kid Rhino|Rhino's]] Beast Wars Season 3 box set.

Also, in Hasbro/Kenner's original plans, Beast Wars Megatron (Basic and Ultra forms) was supposed to be Generation 1 Megatron in a new body, which is supported by the tech specs.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Megatron''' (Decepticon Leader, 1984, 2001, 2002)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''16'''
[[Image:G1Megatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|This photo needs an orange cap or someone might shoot the wiki.]]

: Megatron was released in 1984 as part of the first year of the ''Transformers'' line in the United States. It transformed into a Walther P-38 pistol, as seen in the popular 1960s spy television series ''The Man from U.N.C.L.E.'', with attachments. It was originally released in [[Takara]]'s [[Microman]] toyline as "MC13 Gun Robo - P38 U.N.C.L.E." The Japanese release didn't come with the attachments. While the American release was chrome and red, the Japanese release was flat grey and blue (one of the Microman decos for the standard P-38).

: The flat grey and blue deco Megatron was also used in the Japanese VS-X giftset with Optimus Prime.

:It was again released in grey and blue with Starscream in the Good-Bye Megatron set. This time, it came with his fusion cannon.

:In 2001, Megatron was reissued in Japan, and came with all of the American and Japanese accessories. A black redeco (the other standard P-38 Microman deco) was released the same year as a BotCon Japan exclusive.

:Megatron was again reissued in 2002 in Takara's Transformer Collection series. This release was identical to the previous reissue, but came with the mace used in the episode "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]", a sheet of Decepticon stickers, and a Decepticon mouse pad.

*'''Galvatron''' (Decepticon City Commander, 1986)
:''See [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]''

*'''Megatron (Action Master)''' (1990)
[[Image:AMMegatron_toy.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Megatron, now with purple.]]

:Megatron returned as an ''[[Action Master]]'' in 1990. came packaged with the [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]], a large tank vehicle whose hull could transform into a base/gun emplacement, with the turret forming a flight pod.

===Generation 2===
*'''Megatron''' (1992)
[[Image:G2Megatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|G2 Megatron is always ready for tank combat in one of Earth's many green and purple jungles.]]

: Owing to the inability of Hasbro to re-release the original Megatron because that toy was a pistol, ''Generation 2'' Megatron was released in 1992 as a large green M1A1 Abrams main battle tank. His main gimmick was a 'lock and load' cannon that can load most of his projectile ammunition, and then fire them one at a time. This was accompanied by electronic sounds (including engine, laser and cannon sound effects) and [http://www.supload.com/sound_confirm.php?get=894768596.wav a voice chip].

: In robot mode, Megatron is by the standards of the time, a very large robot, towering over all ''Generation 2'' incarnations of Optimus Prime. He legs were immobile, but he had upper shoulder rotation and elbow joints. His left arm, when raised, activates a laser sound. Pressing down on his head activates his battlecry '''"Megatron Attack!"'''. His main cannon still functions in this mode.

*'''Hero Megatron''' (1995)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-2'''
[[Image:R_heromegatron016.jpg|right|thumb|90px|By this point, the purple had almost completely taken over his body.]]

:Megatron was released again the following year as "Hero" Megatron: a smaller, but similarly styled tank based off the M1 Abrams. This Megatron was purple and came with a bellows that fired an air-propelled missile.

: Hero Megatron was designed with articulation in mind, so he was loaded with ball joints and multiple swivel joints, giving him far greater movement compared to his original ''Generation 2'' toy.

: This toy was released in Europe, sans the "MEGATRON RULES" sticker, as [[Archforce]].
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*'''Megatron''' (Go-Bot, 1995)

: Megatron was released in a third form, "Go-Bot" Megatron. This was a minor repaint of the previously released [[Blowout (G2)|Blowout]] mold, substituting silver for transparent gray plastic.

: In Japan, his hood was tampographed with a stylised T, with the Transformers logo set within.

*Unreleased
:In addition to these, Megatron had a few unreleased toys in the G2 line. The first was the Megatron ATB (with Starscream), a recolor of the [[Dreadwing (G2)|Dreadwing]] mold. The Beast Wars II [[BB]] and [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]] used the same deco, but had diffrent stickers. A second toy was a recolor of the Hero mold in a grey deco with black camoflauge stripes. The third toy was the flip changer used in 1997 as [[Machine Wars]] Megatron and [[Megaplex (MW)]].

===Machine Wars===
* '''Megatron''' (1997)
[[Image:MWMegatron_toy.jpg|right|thumb|And that's why Thundercracker turned green.]]

: This toy was redecoed from an unreleased Generation 2 flipchanger Megatron.
: Oddly, all on-package art and pictures show Megatron as a grey jet with [[Megaplex]] as the blue jet, the opposite of the actual toys. Like most other toys in the line, the boxart was recycled from an earlier figure, in this case from the [[Predator]] [[Falcon (G1)|Falcon]].

===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
*'''Megatron''' (2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF 07'''
[[Image:STFMegatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|Not 20th Anniversary [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] gun.]]

: ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Megatron was released in 2004, coming with only his fusion cannon. Its other attachments were planed to be released, but were scrapped as the line was eventually cancelled. He is a simplified version of his original toy, yet retains most of his articulation.

: A VS-X homage set was also released the same year, packed with a ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Optimus Prime figure.

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===Robot Masters===
* '''Reverse Convoy (Rebirth Megatron)''' (Deluxe, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-24'''
[[Image:RMReverseConvoy_toy.jpg|right|thumb|My Convoy counterpart is nearby. Real nearby.]]

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===Titanium===
*'''Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
[[Image:TitaniumGIJoeHeroesMegatron_toy.jpg|left|thumb|THE BOX OF DOOM.]]

:The Titanium Megatron toy was inspired by Dreamwave's first ''G.I. Joe'' crossover set in World War II. Since that Megatron's gun form was nonviable as a toy, a "tweaked-out" German Maus tank alternate mode was designed. The backstory of the Megatron from the crossover, including references to Cobra, was retained on the package, make it the first US figure ever produced as part of a ''G.I. Joe / TransFormers'' crossover.

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*'''War Within Megatron''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
[[Image:Megatrontitaniumtww.jpg|right|thumb|THE... NAP OF DOOM?]]
:A new Megatron Titanium based on his War Within design was shown at [[Botcon 2006]], and will be released in spring of 2007. Like the original comic book design, his robot mode will have a removeable arm cannon and shield, but unlike the original comic book design, his robot mode will transform into his robot mode at a different angle.

===Classics===
*'''Megatron''' (Voyager, 2006)
[[Image:Megatronclassicstoy.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Paint me black and give me to a kid, ASAP.]]

:This Megatron is a "fusion blaster" based loosely on the original Megatron toy and inspired by the Nerf N-Strike Maverick blaster. Its scope/arm cannon houses a working crosshairs and its trigger includes clicking action. In order to pass modern safety regulations (both the government's and Hasbro's), its blaster mode includes lots of purple and green, plus bright orange on both the tip of the "barrel" and the scope.

:Although some official Hasbro photographs, including those appearing on the toy's packaging, show the gun mode's trigger and other small parts as being orange, those parts were gray in later stock photography and the final release.

:In these above mentioned early promotional photographs, Megatron also had noticeably different "eyebrow" paint applications that matched those of the original Megatron toy. These were two small black triangles on a gray plastic forehead. The final release has the placement of the black reversed, with two small gray triangles and a black forehead, sometimes referred to as Megatron's "unibrow" by fans.

*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle''' (Deluxe versus set, 2006)
: The Megatron included in this two-pack is a tank inspired by the first Megatron toy from ''Generation 2''. Instead of a right hand, its arm ends in a blade with "spinning dervish action." He comes packaged with Optimus Prime and a "[[The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD.

:Many (all?) units of this figure come with Megatron's splayed feet assembled backwards, a fact which is not immediately apparent as the "heel" half of his feet are actually larger than the "toe" half (this is the opposite of most splay-footed transformers), and the situation is not helped by the box-art photography displaying an identically misassembled figure. However, examination of the instructions and any attempt to transform Megatron into tank mode immediately demonstrate the mistake, which is easily corrected by unscrewing the halves of his lower legs and reversing the foot pieces.

===Masterpiece===
*'''Megatron''' (2007)

===Merchandise===

==Trivia==
[[Image:P-Megatron.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Microman Megatron's concept art. Back then, he was a little less happy to see you.]][[Image:Earlymegatron.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The [[fusion cannon]]'s got that handle because... well, we're not sure.]]
* Early in the ''Transformers'' series preproduction, Megatron's look was based not on the toy, but on concept art for an unproduced prototype version. This early version, sporting a different, black head, a very different scope/fusion cannon, and the gun's barrel on his back, managed to make its way into not only early commercial animation and licensed material, but into the art of the early Marvel Comics. Though the model was altered before the animated series was produced, elements from the first model were perpetuated such as the back-mounted barrel in both the comic and the cartoon. The Marvel Comics continued to color Megatron's helmet black (well, blue) until the end of its run.

* [[Bob Budiansky]] suggested the name "Megatron," but [[Hasbro]] initially rejected it, claiming that "mega" conjured images of nuclear bombs. Budiansky reminded them that the name was supposed to sound evil, because he's the leader of the badguys. Hasbro responded, "Oh, right," and then approved the name. <ref>[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/bbudiansky_2.php ASM: A Little Q&A with... Bob Budiansky]</ref>
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* It seems no-one could get Megatron's box art right in Japan. His standard release used edited boxart from the standard Microchange P-38 toy's black deco, recolored to Megatron's US toy color scheme with shiny 'chrome' and red on his legs and arms instead of the Japanese toy's flat grey and blue. The VS-X art replaced the red with blue, but kept the 'chrome'. The art on the 'Goodbye Megatron' set used edited US boxart (which in turn was the Microchange P-38 UNCLE art with an added sigil) that replaced the red with blue, yet this toy used red plastic.

==Footnotes==
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==External links==
* [http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Megatron Megatron's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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The Transformers: Infiltration

2007-03-05T11:47:04Z

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''Transformers: Infiltration'' is a "re-boot" of [[Generation 1]] continuity, bringing the invasion of Earth by the [[Autobot|Autobots]] and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] into the modern mid-2000s day and placing the "Robots in Disguise" concept firmly in the forefront of its narrative.

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The most immediate shift from original continuity is the nature of the Transformers' presence on Earth. No ancient starship crash, no robots awakening from a million-year slumber; the Autobots and Decepticons have arrived on Earth recently and on purpose, operating undercover for at least four years. The story is told through the eyes of four main characters: [[Verity Carlo]], a young drifter; [[Hunter O'Nion]], a conspiracy theorist; [[Jimmy Pink]], mechanic and Verity's net-friend; and [[Ratchet (G1)#IDW_Comics_continuity|Ratchet]], a medic who puts his conscience over his mission.

The series quickly and consistently establishes a strong cold-war, cloak-and-dagger theme, where secrecy and rules of espionage are as important as, perhaps more than, vanquishing the enemy. [[Thundercracker_(G1)#IDW_Comics_continuity|Thundercracker]] and the [[Battlecharger|Battlechargers]] attack the humans and Ratchet to retrieve data on [[SM-40|a palmtop PC]] that might reveal their existence; Ratchet is arrested by [[Prowl_(G1)#IDW_Comics|Prowl]] for breaking cover to rescue the humans; both Autobot and Decepticon operations are small cells instead of full-fledged armies. We also discover that there is a third faction at work: A secret human organisation known only as the [[Machination]] appears to be aware of the Transformers' presence on Earth and has its own plans, as yet unknown, for the robots. Finally, it becomes evident to the Autobots that the Decepticon operation is up to something unusual, and their new human allies may have a part in unravelling the mystery.

The series has taken an interesting and rather unique approach to the standard ''Transformers'' story: introducing only a few new characters with each issue. This enables each issue to focus on a small selection of leads (Ratchet, the humans and later [[Bumblebee_(G1)|Bumblebee]]) without overwhelming them and gives each issue space to explore their characters.

== New alternate modes ==

Most of the Transformers seen in ''Infiltration'' feature alternate forms updated to the modern day:

* Ratchet: Ambulance (modernised - make and model?)
* [[Runamuck_(G1)#IDW_Generation_1_Comics|Runamuck]]: Sports car (make and model?)
* [[Runabout_(G1)#IDW_Generation_1_Comics|Runabout]]: Sports car (make and model?)
* Thundercracker: F-22 ''Raptor''
* Prowl: Nissan 350Z police car
* [[Sunstreaker#IDW_Generation_1_Comics|Sunstreaker]]: Lamborghini Diablo
* [[Ironhide_%28G1%29#IDW_Comics_continuity|Ironhide]]: Van (modernised - make and model?)
* [[Jazz]]: Porsche (Which model?)
* [[Skywarp_%28G1%29#IDW_Generation_1_Comics|Skywarp]]: F-22 ''Raptor''
* [[Starscream_%28G1%29#IDW_Comics_continuity|Starscream]]: F-22 ''Raptor''

The only confirmed exceptions to this are Bumblebee and [[Wheeljack_%28G1%29#IDW_Generation_1_Comics|Wheeljack]], who retain their original G1 alternate forms (although Bumblebee, unlike Wheeljack, posesses a new transformation scheme, making for a different looking robot mode to G1); [[Blitzwing#IDW_Comics|Blitzwing]], [[Astrotrain_%28G1%29#IDW_Comics|Astrotrain]] and [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)#IDW_Comics_continuity|Optimus Prime]] may also be exceptions.

Based on his appearance, [[Megatron_(G1)|Megatron's]] alternate form is obviously not a pistol or any other form of sidearm; the presence of at least two, possibly four track bogies on his primary form suggests some sort of self-propelled cannon (a near-identical apperance in the first issue of ''[[Stormbringer_(comics)|Stormbringer]]'' suggests that he has yet to select an Earth-based alternate form). As of the end of the ''Infiltration'' series, we have yet to see Megatron in alternate form.

== New technology ==

Updated for the modern day is the concept of dummy drivers introduced in the G1 Marvel Comics continuity. Instead of poorly-articulated mannequins, the new drivers are sophisticated projections created by a technology called [[holomatter]]. Generators for holomatter are built into each of the Autobot contingent on Earth; the absence of a pilot in Thundercracker's cockpit in Issue #0, the layout of Runabout's alternate form passenger compartment (without human seating) in Issue #1 and the gold tinted windows of both Battlechargers all suggest that the Decepticons do not employ a similar system.

Issue #6 introduces that (at least) the Decepticons possess some form of teleportation technology, which Megatron is seen using when he travels to Starscream's Oregon command bunker. Bumblebee refers to Megatron's appearance as an "[[orbital bounce]]", suggesting that the technology is satellite- or ship-based.

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Skywarp (G1)

2007-03-05T09:18:09Z

220.239.53.31: /* IDW comics continuity */

{{disambig3|Skywarp}}
:''Skywarp is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Skywarp1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Skywarp, Decepticon Stair-Pusher-Downer]]

Teleportation is a dangerous tool in the hands of a capable adversary. Thankfully for the [[Autobot]]s, '''Skywarp''' is the Decepticon who possesses that ability. Skywarp's not so bright, so without supervision he's worthless as a warrior. He mostly uses his teleportation power for immature pranks on both friend and foe. He takes a charmingly puerile angle at thuggery, so his pranks are well-received amongst his Decepticon peers (excepting the victim, of course).

Because, come on, a surprise push down a staircase is hilarious.

''French-Canadian name: '''Fraudeur'''<br>
''Italian name: '''Corvo'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
''(Note: Events from the UK comics are marked in italics.)''
[[Image:Skywarpthundercrackerintroduction.jpg|left|thumb|200px|You can tell Skywarp apart from Thundercracker in the Marvel Comics by, uh.... let us get back to you on that.]]
Skywarp was one of Megatron's troops who attacked the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] during its mission to clear a path for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] through an asteroid field. He was deactivated when it crashed on [[Earth]], and he lay dormant for four million years. When he and his fellow Decepticons awoke, Skywarp was given a new [[altmode]], that of an Earth jet. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)}} He aided the Decepticons in their building of their new base constructed of parts from [[Harrison Nuclear Power Plant]] and joined in their attack on [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s auto repair shop. After the successful abduction of Sparkplug Witwicky, Skywarp, [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] defended their base from [[Autobot]]s, though [[Gears]] and [[Spider-Man]] were able to sneak through and rescue Sparkplug. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

''When Starscream fired upon his teammate [[Ravage]] for eavesdropping on his plot to overthrow Megatron, Skywarp and the other Decepticons sought deadly revenge on the Decepticon Air Commander. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!, part 2}} Though Starscream escaped, the Decepticons soon regrouped to attack the Ark, but their battle was ended prematurely when [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system, magnetized the walls, immobilizing both factions. {{storylink|Raiders of the Lost Ark}} Skywarp also traveled with the Decepticons to the [[United Kingdom]], where he and his teammates attempted to learn about a mysterious Autobot rescue ship buried under a castle. An initial attack on the Autobots left Skywarp seriously wounded by a bomb from [[Bluestreak]]. {{storylink|Man of Iron: Part 3}}

Though Sparkplug Witwicky was able to devise a way for the Decepticons to convert Earth fuel into a usable substance, he also poisoned the result, so Skywarp and his fellow Decepticons were immobilized at the climax of their would-be final battle with the Autobots. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} The Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took command of the Decepticons and the Ark shortly thereafter, and nursed Skywarp and his comrades back to full health. Skywarp may have helped Shockwave attempt to capture and brainwash [[Bumblebee]] into a Decepticon, or it may have been Thundercracker without red stripes. It's hard to tell. {{storylink|Plight of the Bumblebee!}}
[[Image:Skywarpgoofyteleportation.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Upon close inspection, Skywarp's teleportation power is merely a goofy loop-de-loop.]]
He served the Decepticon cause up until he was deactivated while battling [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and placed in prison stasis at Autobot headquarters.

''When [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] traveled back from the year 2006 to build a super weapon to destroy [[Unicron]], Skywarp was a key player in the defeat of the mad Decepticon. Sorta.''

''The Autobots took Skywarp out of stasis, painted him to look like [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and sent him stumbling toward Galvatron with a tape-recorder of Starscream's voice on his back. Galvatron, still sore about Starscream tossing him out of [[Astrotrain]] during his Megatron days, shot and presumably killed Skywarp. Galvatron then realized that if he killed Starscream in the past then there's no way he could have killed Starscream in the future. Believing he was in an alternate past and thus nothing he did there would effect his personal timeline, Galvatron hurried back to his proper time. Way to take one for the team, Skywarp. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

During a massive battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, Skywarp and the other Decepticons held in stasis aboard the Ark were liberated by the [[Constructicon]]s and subsequently brought back on-line. {{storylink|Totalled!}} During the first Decepticon Civil War, Skywarp battled with [[Ratbat]]'s Decepticons against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons. Skywarp surprised [[Bugly]] with his teleportation powers and blasted him, temporarily stunning him. However, Bugly successfully returned fire, striking where he guessed Skywarp would next teleport. {{storylink|Cold War!}} Skywarp was repaired in time to face an [[Underbase]]-powered Starscream in [[Tokyo]], but both he and Thundercracker were destroyed by their former flying partner. {{storylink|Dark Star!}}

===Animated continuity===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japan)
[[Image:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|thumb|Cybertron alt-mode (left). And now, young Skywalker, you will die.]]
Skywarp was one of the elite Decepticons that accompanied Megatron in infiltrating the ''[[Ark]]'' four million years ago. After crash-landing on Earth, the Decepticons and [[Autobots]] laid dormant for four million years, until volcanic activity stirred them into consciousness. Skywarp was the first of the Ark's Transformers to be reformatted and awakened by [[Teletraan-1]]. Now an F-15 fighter jet, Skywarp next dragged [[Megatron]]'s body into the reformatting rays of the Ark's computer.

Since the Decepticons were so badly short-staffed during their early days on Earth, Skywarp was usually involved in whatever crazy plot for universal domination Megatron was hatching. This included attacks on an off-shore oil rig, [[Sherman Dam]] and the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma|ruby crystal mines of Burma]]. When the Decepticons escaped the Burma operation with a cache of energon cubes, Skywarp requested permission from Megatron to teleport in order to scare off Autobot pursuers. Teleporting behind the strangely-airborne duo of [[Ironhide]] and [[Bluestreak]], Skywarp pasted the ornery old Autobot with a heat-seeking missile, knocking him out of the sky that he probably shouldn't have been able to fly around in.

Skywarp continued to serve the Decepticons for many more years, never really doing anything notable. He was first to fall victim to an invention developed by [[Wheeljack]] that allowed Teletraan-1 to briefly take control of his body. [[Chip Chase]], a human ally of the Autobots, planted the device on Skywarp's ankle in the thick of battle. Skywarp's teleportation power did come in use when he was needed to sneak up on the Autobots (who were all in vehicle mode) and zap them with the [[transfixatron]].

In 2005, Skywarp was badly injured during the battle of [[Autobot City]]. Though he escaped with the rest of his comrades aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], he was tossed out into space with other badly damaged Decepticons part way to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so that the rest would be able to make it home. Skywarp's body was gathered by [[Unicron]] and, among others, used to make [[Galvatron]]'s new warriors. Skywarp arguably became either [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] or the identical lone [[Armada (G1)|"Armada"]] warrior who was never seen again.

===''Universe: The Wreckers''===
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Looks like [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who is Cyclonus?|Cyclonus was Bombshell]]. Neener neener.]]After the Decepticons lost the Great War, and [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon]]s claimed [[Cybertron (planet)|the planet]], [[Megatron (BW)|another Megatron]] subjugated nearly every Transformer alive with a transformation-lock virus and an army of [[Vehicon]]s. Skywarp was one of the handful of Transformers who had slipped through Megatron's fingers, and eventually he and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] joined up with the legendary strike team, the [[Wreckers]]. Given a mission by the [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]], the Wreckers fought through an army of Vehicons to steal an Autobot shuttle in order to get off-planet. {{storylink|Departure}}

''(Note: Though no reason is stated in-story as to how or why or when Skywarp got this new body between the Great War and the [[Beast Era]], ''Wreckers'' plotter [[Glen Hallit]] noted that Skywarp's body was based on a mass-production bodytype of its day, similar to ''Generation 1''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Seeker]]s.)''

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

===IDW comics continuity===
Skywarp is part of a Decepticon infiltration unit that has operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, working to destabilize Earth's governing organizations and create global anarchy.<ref>[[Infiltration, Part 3]]</ref> His alternate form is an [[wikipedia:F-22 Raptor|F-22 Raptor]] fighter jet.

[[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]] assigned him and [[Blitzwing]] to destroy all traces of the [[Nebraska]] operation, but, after demolishing the abandoned Nebraska command bunker, he is severely damaged by Megatron who, unfortunately for Skywarp had been inside at the time. <ref>[[Infiltration, Part 5]]</ref> This Megatron is apparently not one to hold grudges and he soon has Skywarp repaired and functioning again, under the understanding that there will be no further second chances.<ref>[[Escalation, Part 1]]</ref>

It would appear that Skywarp has the ability to teleport others in addition to himself in this continuity, as he and Astrotrain appear to both fly out of one of his warps during a battle.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Skywarp''' (Decepticon Jet, 1984/1985/2001/2003)
[[Image:Redeco.jpg|left|thumb|Skywarp is the redeco on the left. He's mostly black... not that this was a cheap or lazy decision.]]
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''23'''

: ''(Note: For some reason, the stats on Skywarp's, Starscream's and Thundercracker's tech specs were switched around. Skywarp was given Starscream's numbers, which explains his high intelligence and rank.)''

: The only 1984 [[Seeker]] with a deco not used previously in [[Takara]]'s ''[[Diaclone]]'' line, Skywarp transforms into an [[wikipedia:F-15 Eagle|F-15 Eagle]] fighter jet, sharing his mold with his teammates [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]. Many parts need to be removed completely for transformation from robot to jet and back, which nowadays is considered a major drawback of the toy. It is rare to find it complete, as neither mode can hold all the pieces required. There are a few minor mold variations of this toy (common for the first two years of ''Transformers'', really), the most immediately noticeable being that early versions did not have visible "clip-tabs" on the inner face of the gauntlets.

: In 2001, Skywarp was given a short-run reissue by Takara as a convention-[[exclusive]] item, bundled together with Thundercracker as "[[Collector's Edition]]" Set C. The toy would later be more extensively released in 2003 as part of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Commemorative Series]] series IV, though due to US [[for safety reasons|toy-safety regulations]], his missiles were made extra-long.

: This mold was redecoed into [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] and retooled to make [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]].

===Machine Wars===
* '''Skywarp''' (Basic, 1997)
[[Image:MWSkywarp.jpg|right|thumb|150px|After his near-fatal encounter with the Invert Colors function.]]

: Sharing a mold once again with Thundercracker, Skywarp transforms into a white [[wikipedia:Rafale|Dassault Rafale]] fighter jet with spring-loaded one-step transformation from jet to robot. The two halves of his rifle store in his lower legs. Like all ''Machine Wars'' toys, Thundercracker was an [[exclusive]] to Kay-Bee stores and related stores like Toy Liquidators.

: This mold is also used by ''[[Beast Wars II]]'' [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirge]], ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Skyfire (RID)|Skyfire]], and ''[[Robot Masters]]'' [[Wing Stun]]''.

===Universe===
* '''Skywarp''' (Deluxe, 2003)
[[Image:UniverseSkywarp_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Like [[Mirage (BM)|Mirage]] except he can fly.]]

:''Universe'' Skywarp is a redeco of ''[[Beast Machines]]'' [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] in his G1 colours. He transforms into a Cybertronic fighter jet, armed with two projectile launchers that can fire orange energon bolts.

: His [[Spark]] crystal has a Decepticon sigil tampographed on top of it.

{{-}}

===Smallest Transformers===
* '''Skywarp''' (2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF X-1'''

: [[Smallest Transforming Transformers|Smallest Transformers]] Skywarp was a very small-scale simplification of the original G1 Seeker toy, retaining most of its functionality and accessories, except for his long null-rays. Skywarp was one of two [[chase figure]]s from the first wave of the line.

: This mold was redecoed from Starscream, then re-redecoed into Thundercracker, and finally retooled to make Thrust.

===Robot Masters===
* '''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
[[Image:RMSkywarp_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Now with the proper articulation for down-stair-pushing.]]

: ''[[Robot Masters]]'' Skywarp is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from the same series, a smaller yet more advanced version of the original toy, adding more articulation and reducing the amount of [[part-forming]] required. He was available only in a two-pack with Thundercracker, which also came with a Decepticon sigil pin. This set was the very last product released in the ''Robot Masters'' line, and wasn't even strictly sold in a box from that series; instead, it used a modified [[e-Hobby]] ''Generation 1'' reissue box, with only a small corner tab noting its ''Robot Masters'' origin from the front.

===Classics===
* '''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
[[Image:Classics_Skywarp_toy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Skywarp only wears the finest Decepticon fingerless-gloves.]]

: ''[[Classics_(2006)|Classics]]'' Skywarp is a redeco of the ''Classics'' Starscream mold, transforming into an F-15 Eagle fighter jet, though with a canopy like that of an [[wikipedia:F-14 Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]]. He comes with a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers that can be mounted on his biceps or used as hand-held weapons in robot mode and attach under his wings in vehicle mode. As with most ''Classics'' toys, he also features a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]]. He was only available as part of a Target stores [[exclusive]] two-pack with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. The set's price was $19.99, despite including both a Voyager-class and Deluxe-class mold in it, which for regular separate releases would be approximately $30 worth of toys.

{{-}}

==Merchandise==

==Trivia==
[[Image:LiveActionJazz-Skywarp01.jpg|right|thumb|200px|I bet he spiked the punch.]]

*A commercial for Transformers reflective iron-on patches advertised the "Prizes in Disguise" competition. When the iron-on patch was used, it was possible to instead find an instant win ticket for a Transformers voice changer (of the [[Enemy]] variety) - or to have a party with "life size" Transformers! Among the "life size" Transformers shown were [[Jazz]] and Skywarp. In all likeliness, you did not party with them.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Skywarp/skywarp.htm Skywarp at TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Skywarp Skywarp's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

== Footnotes ==
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[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Machine Wars characters]]
[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
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Skywarp (G1)

2007-03-05T09:10:25Z

220.239.53.31: /* Animated continuity */

{{disambig3|Skywarp}}
:''Skywarp is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Skywarp1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Skywarp, Decepticon Stair-Pusher-Downer]]

Teleportation is a dangerous tool in the hands of a capable adversary. Thankfully for the [[Autobot]]s, '''Skywarp''' is the Decepticon who possesses that ability. Skywarp's not so bright, so without supervision he's worthless as a warrior. He mostly uses his teleportation power for immature pranks on both friend and foe. He takes a charmingly puerile angle at thuggery, so his pranks are well-received amongst his Decepticon peers (excepting the victim, of course).

Because, come on, a surprise push down a staircase is hilarious.

''French-Canadian name: '''Fraudeur'''<br>
''Italian name: '''Corvo'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
''(Note: Events from the UK comics are marked in italics.)''
[[Image:Skywarpthundercrackerintroduction.jpg|left|thumb|200px|You can tell Skywarp apart from Thundercracker in the Marvel Comics by, uh.... let us get back to you on that.]]
Skywarp was one of Megatron's troops who attacked the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] during its mission to clear a path for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] through an asteroid field. He was deactivated when it crashed on [[Earth]], and he lay dormant for four million years. When he and his fellow Decepticons awoke, Skywarp was given a new [[altmode]], that of an Earth jet. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)}} He aided the Decepticons in their building of their new base constructed of parts from [[Harrison Nuclear Power Plant]] and joined in their attack on [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s auto repair shop. After the successful abduction of Sparkplug Witwicky, Skywarp, [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] defended their base from [[Autobot]]s, though [[Gears]] and [[Spider-Man]] were able to sneak through and rescue Sparkplug. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

''When Starscream fired upon his teammate [[Ravage]] for eavesdropping on his plot to overthrow Megatron, Skywarp and the other Decepticons sought deadly revenge on the Decepticon Air Commander. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!, part 2}} Though Starscream escaped, the Decepticons soon regrouped to attack the Ark, but their battle was ended prematurely when [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system, magnetized the walls, immobilizing both factions. {{storylink|Raiders of the Lost Ark}} Skywarp also traveled with the Decepticons to the [[United Kingdom]], where he and his teammates attempted to learn about a mysterious Autobot rescue ship buried under a castle. An initial attack on the Autobots left Skywarp seriously wounded by a bomb from [[Bluestreak]]. {{storylink|Man of Iron: Part 3}}

Though Sparkplug Witwicky was able to devise a way for the Decepticons to convert Earth fuel into a usable substance, he also poisoned the result, so Skywarp and his fellow Decepticons were immobilized at the climax of their would-be final battle with the Autobots. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} The Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took command of the Decepticons and the Ark shortly thereafter, and nursed Skywarp and his comrades back to full health. Skywarp may have helped Shockwave attempt to capture and brainwash [[Bumblebee]] into a Decepticon, or it may have been Thundercracker without red stripes. It's hard to tell. {{storylink|Plight of the Bumblebee!}}
[[Image:Skywarpgoofyteleportation.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Upon close inspection, Skywarp's teleportation power is merely a goofy loop-de-loop.]]
He served the Decepticon cause up until he was deactivated while battling [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and placed in prison stasis at Autobot headquarters.

''When [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] traveled back from the year 2006 to build a super weapon to destroy [[Unicron]], Skywarp was a key player in the defeat of the mad Decepticon. Sorta.''

''The Autobots took Skywarp out of stasis, painted him to look like [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and sent him stumbling toward Galvatron with a tape-recorder of Starscream's voice on his back. Galvatron, still sore about Starscream tossing him out of [[Astrotrain]] during his Megatron days, shot and presumably killed Skywarp. Galvatron then realized that if he killed Starscream in the past then there's no way he could have killed Starscream in the future. Believing he was in an alternate past and thus nothing he did there would effect his personal timeline, Galvatron hurried back to his proper time. Way to take one for the team, Skywarp. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

During a massive battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, Skywarp and the other Decepticons held in stasis aboard the Ark were liberated by the [[Constructicon]]s and subsequently brought back on-line. {{storylink|Totalled!}} During the first Decepticon Civil War, Skywarp battled with [[Ratbat]]'s Decepticons against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons. Skywarp surprised [[Bugly]] with his teleportation powers and blasted him, temporarily stunning him. However, Bugly successfully returned fire, striking where he guessed Skywarp would next teleport. {{storylink|Cold War!}} Skywarp was repaired in time to face an [[Underbase]]-powered Starscream in [[Tokyo]], but both he and Thundercracker were destroyed by their former flying partner. {{storylink|Dark Star!}}

===Animated continuity===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japan)
[[Image:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|thumb|Cybertron alt-mode (left). And now, young Skywalker, you will die.]]
Skywarp was one of the elite Decepticons that accompanied Megatron in infiltrating the ''[[Ark]]'' four million years ago. After crash-landing on Earth, the Decepticons and [[Autobots]] laid dormant for four million years, until volcanic activity stirred them into consciousness. Skywarp was the first of the Ark's Transformers to be reformatted and awakened by [[Teletraan-1]]. Now an F-15 fighter jet, Skywarp next dragged [[Megatron]]'s body into the reformatting rays of the Ark's computer.

Since the Decepticons were so badly short-staffed during their early days on Earth, Skywarp was usually involved in whatever crazy plot for universal domination Megatron was hatching. This included attacks on an off-shore oil rig, [[Sherman Dam]] and the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma|ruby crystal mines of Burma]]. When the Decepticons escaped the Burma operation with a cache of energon cubes, Skywarp requested permission from Megatron to teleport in order to scare off Autobot pursuers. Teleporting behind the strangely-airborne duo of [[Ironhide]] and [[Bluestreak]], Skywarp pasted the ornery old Autobot with a heat-seeking missile, knocking him out of the sky that he probably shouldn't have been able to fly around in.

Skywarp continued to serve the Decepticons for many more years, never really doing anything notable. He was first to fall victim to an invention developed by [[Wheeljack]] that allowed Teletraan-1 to briefly take control of his body. [[Chip Chase]], a human ally of the Autobots, planted the device on Skywarp's ankle in the thick of battle. Skywarp's teleportation power did come in use when he was needed to sneak up on the Autobots (who were all in vehicle mode) and zap them with the [[transfixatron]].

In 2005, Skywarp was badly injured during the battle of [[Autobot City]]. Though he escaped with the rest of his comrades aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], he was tossed out into space with other badly damaged Decepticons part way to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so that the rest would be able to make it home. Skywarp's body was gathered by [[Unicron]] and, among others, used to make [[Galvatron]]'s new warriors. Skywarp arguably became either [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] or the identical lone [[Armada (G1)|"Armada"]] warrior who was never seen again.

===''Universe: The Wreckers''===
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Looks like [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who is Cyclonus?|Cyclonus was Bombshell]]. Neener neener.]]After the Decepticons lost the Great War, and [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon]]s claimed [[Cybertron (planet)|the planet]], [[Megatron (BW)|another Megatron]] subjugated nearly every Transformer alive with a transformation-lock virus and an army of [[Vehicon]]s. Skywarp was one of the handful of Transformers who had slipped through Megatron's fingers, and eventually he and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] joined up with the legendary strike team, the [[Wreckers]]. Given a mission by the [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]], the Wreckers fought through an army of Vehicons to steal an Autobot shuttle in order to get off-planet. {{storylink|Departure}}

''(Note: Though no reason is stated in-story as to how or why or when Skywarp got this new body between the Great War and the [[Beast Era]], ''Wreckers'' plotter [[Glen Hallit]] noted that Skywarp's body was based on a mass-production bodytype of its day, similar to ''Generation 1''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Seeker]]s.)''

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

===IDW comics continuity===
Skywarp is part of a Decepticon infiltration unit that has operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, working to destabilize Earth's governing organizations and create global anarchy.<ref>[[Infiltration, Part 3]]</ref> His alternate form is an [[wikipedia:F-22 Raptor|F-22 Raptor]] fighter jet.

[[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]] assigned him and [[Blitzwing]] to destroy all traces of the [[Nebraska]] operation, but, after demolishing the abandoned Nebraska command bunker, he is severely damaged by Megatron who, unfortunately for Skywarp had been inside at the time. <ref>[[Infiltration, Part 5]]</ref> This Megatron is apparently not one to hold grudges and he soon has Skywarp repaired and functioning again, under the understanding that there will be no further second chances.<ref>[[Escalation, Part 1]]</ref>

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Skywarp''' (Decepticon Jet, 1984/1985/2001/2003)
[[Image:Redeco.jpg|left|thumb|Skywarp is the redeco on the left. He's mostly black... not that this was a cheap or lazy decision.]]
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''23'''

: ''(Note: For some reason, the stats on Skywarp's, Starscream's and Thundercracker's tech specs were switched around. Skywarp was given Starscream's numbers, which explains his high intelligence and rank.)''

: The only 1984 [[Seeker]] with a deco not used previously in [[Takara]]'s ''[[Diaclone]]'' line, Skywarp transforms into an [[wikipedia:F-15 Eagle|F-15 Eagle]] fighter jet, sharing his mold with his teammates [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]. Many parts need to be removed completely for transformation from robot to jet and back, which nowadays is considered a major drawback of the toy. It is rare to find it complete, as neither mode can hold all the pieces required. There are a few minor mold variations of this toy (common for the first two years of ''Transformers'', really), the most immediately noticeable being that early versions did not have visible "clip-tabs" on the inner face of the gauntlets.

: In 2001, Skywarp was given a short-run reissue by Takara as a convention-[[exclusive]] item, bundled together with Thundercracker as "[[Collector's Edition]]" Set C. The toy would later be more extensively released in 2003 as part of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Commemorative Series]] series IV, though due to US [[for safety reasons|toy-safety regulations]], his missiles were made extra-long.

: This mold was redecoed into [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] and retooled to make [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]].

===Machine Wars===
* '''Skywarp''' (Basic, 1997)
[[Image:MWSkywarp.jpg|right|thumb|150px|After his near-fatal encounter with the Invert Colors function.]]

: Sharing a mold once again with Thundercracker, Skywarp transforms into a white [[wikipedia:Rafale|Dassault Rafale]] fighter jet with spring-loaded one-step transformation from jet to robot. The two halves of his rifle store in his lower legs. Like all ''Machine Wars'' toys, Thundercracker was an [[exclusive]] to Kay-Bee stores and related stores like Toy Liquidators.

: This mold is also used by ''[[Beast Wars II]]'' [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirge]], ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Skyfire (RID)|Skyfire]], and ''[[Robot Masters]]'' [[Wing Stun]]''.

===Universe===
* '''Skywarp''' (Deluxe, 2003)
[[Image:UniverseSkywarp_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Like [[Mirage (BM)|Mirage]] except he can fly.]]

:''Universe'' Skywarp is a redeco of ''[[Beast Machines]]'' [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] in his G1 colours. He transforms into a Cybertronic fighter jet, armed with two projectile launchers that can fire orange energon bolts.

: His [[Spark]] crystal has a Decepticon sigil tampographed on top of it.

{{-}}

===Smallest Transformers===
* '''Skywarp''' (2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF X-1'''

: [[Smallest Transforming Transformers|Smallest Transformers]] Skywarp was a very small-scale simplification of the original G1 Seeker toy, retaining most of its functionality and accessories, except for his long null-rays. Skywarp was one of two [[chase figure]]s from the first wave of the line.

: This mold was redecoed from Starscream, then re-redecoed into Thundercracker, and finally retooled to make Thrust.

===Robot Masters===
* '''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
[[Image:RMSkywarp_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Now with the proper articulation for down-stair-pushing.]]

: ''[[Robot Masters]]'' Skywarp is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from the same series, a smaller yet more advanced version of the original toy, adding more articulation and reducing the amount of [[part-forming]] required. He was available only in a two-pack with Thundercracker, which also came with a Decepticon sigil pin. This set was the very last product released in the ''Robot Masters'' line, and wasn't even strictly sold in a box from that series; instead, it used a modified [[e-Hobby]] ''Generation 1'' reissue box, with only a small corner tab noting its ''Robot Masters'' origin from the front.

===Classics===
* '''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
[[Image:Classics_Skywarp_toy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Skywarp only wears the finest Decepticon fingerless-gloves.]]

: ''[[Classics_(2006)|Classics]]'' Skywarp is a redeco of the ''Classics'' Starscream mold, transforming into an F-15 Eagle fighter jet, though with a canopy like that of an [[wikipedia:F-14 Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]]. He comes with a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers that can be mounted on his biceps or used as hand-held weapons in robot mode and attach under his wings in vehicle mode. As with most ''Classics'' toys, he also features a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]]. He was only available as part of a Target stores [[exclusive]] two-pack with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. The set's price was $19.99, despite including both a Voyager-class and Deluxe-class mold in it, which for regular separate releases would be approximately $30 worth of toys.

{{-}}

==Merchandise==

==Trivia==
[[Image:LiveActionJazz-Skywarp01.jpg|right|thumb|200px|I bet he spiked the punch.]]

*A commercial for Transformers reflective iron-on patches advertised the "Prizes in Disguise" competition. When the iron-on patch was used, it was possible to instead find an instant win ticket for a Transformers voice changer (of the [[Enemy]] variety) - or to have a party with "life size" Transformers! Among the "life size" Transformers shown were [[Jazz]] and Skywarp. In all likeliness, you did not party with them.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Skywarp/skywarp.htm Skywarp at TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Skywarp Skywarp's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

== Footnotes ==
<references />

{{stub}}

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[[Category: Classics]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Machine Wars characters]]
[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
[[Category: Seekers]]
[[Category: Universe characters]]
[[Category: Wreckers]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Skywarp (G1)

2007-03-05T09:06:45Z

220.239.53.31: /* Animated continuity */

{{disambig3|Skywarp}}
:''Skywarp is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Skywarp1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Skywarp, Decepticon Stair-Pusher-Downer]]

Teleportation is a dangerous tool in the hands of a capable adversary. Thankfully for the [[Autobot]]s, '''Skywarp''' is the Decepticon who possesses that ability. Skywarp's not so bright, so without supervision he's worthless as a warrior. He mostly uses his teleportation power for immature pranks on both friend and foe. He takes a charmingly puerile angle at thuggery, so his pranks are well-received amongst his Decepticon peers (excepting the victim, of course).

Because, come on, a surprise push down a staircase is hilarious.

''French-Canadian name: '''Fraudeur'''<br>
''Italian name: '''Corvo'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
''(Note: Events from the UK comics are marked in italics.)''
[[Image:Skywarpthundercrackerintroduction.jpg|left|thumb|200px|You can tell Skywarp apart from Thundercracker in the Marvel Comics by, uh.... let us get back to you on that.]]
Skywarp was one of Megatron's troops who attacked the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] during its mission to clear a path for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] through an asteroid field. He was deactivated when it crashed on [[Earth]], and he lay dormant for four million years. When he and his fellow Decepticons awoke, Skywarp was given a new [[altmode]], that of an Earth jet. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)}} He aided the Decepticons in their building of their new base constructed of parts from [[Harrison Nuclear Power Plant]] and joined in their attack on [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s auto repair shop. After the successful abduction of Sparkplug Witwicky, Skywarp, [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] defended their base from [[Autobot]]s, though [[Gears]] and [[Spider-Man]] were able to sneak through and rescue Sparkplug. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

''When Starscream fired upon his teammate [[Ravage]] for eavesdropping on his plot to overthrow Megatron, Skywarp and the other Decepticons sought deadly revenge on the Decepticon Air Commander. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!, part 2}} Though Starscream escaped, the Decepticons soon regrouped to attack the Ark, but their battle was ended prematurely when [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system, magnetized the walls, immobilizing both factions. {{storylink|Raiders of the Lost Ark}} Skywarp also traveled with the Decepticons to the [[United Kingdom]], where he and his teammates attempted to learn about a mysterious Autobot rescue ship buried under a castle. An initial attack on the Autobots left Skywarp seriously wounded by a bomb from [[Bluestreak]]. {{storylink|Man of Iron: Part 3}}

Though Sparkplug Witwicky was able to devise a way for the Decepticons to convert Earth fuel into a usable substance, he also poisoned the result, so Skywarp and his fellow Decepticons were immobilized at the climax of their would-be final battle with the Autobots. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} The Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took command of the Decepticons and the Ark shortly thereafter, and nursed Skywarp and his comrades back to full health. Skywarp may have helped Shockwave attempt to capture and brainwash [[Bumblebee]] into a Decepticon, or it may have been Thundercracker without red stripes. It's hard to tell. {{storylink|Plight of the Bumblebee!}}
[[Image:Skywarpgoofyteleportation.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Upon close inspection, Skywarp's teleportation power is merely a goofy loop-de-loop.]]
He served the Decepticon cause up until he was deactivated while battling [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and placed in prison stasis at Autobot headquarters.

''When [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] traveled back from the year 2006 to build a super weapon to destroy [[Unicron]], Skywarp was a key player in the defeat of the mad Decepticon. Sorta.''

''The Autobots took Skywarp out of stasis, painted him to look like [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and sent him stumbling toward Galvatron with a tape-recorder of Starscream's voice on his back. Galvatron, still sore about Starscream tossing him out of [[Astrotrain]] during his Megatron days, shot and presumably killed Skywarp. Galvatron then realized that if he killed Starscream in the past then there's no way he could have killed Starscream in the future. Believing he was in an alternate past and thus nothing he did there would effect his personal timeline, Galvatron hurried back to his proper time. Way to take one for the team, Skywarp. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

During a massive battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, Skywarp and the other Decepticons held in stasis aboard the Ark were liberated by the [[Constructicon]]s and subsequently brought back on-line. {{storylink|Totalled!}} During the first Decepticon Civil War, Skywarp battled with [[Ratbat]]'s Decepticons against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons. Skywarp surprised [[Bugly]] with his teleportation powers and blasted him, temporarily stunning him. However, Bugly successfully returned fire, striking where he guessed Skywarp would next teleport. {{storylink|Cold War!}} Skywarp was repaired in time to face an [[Underbase]]-powered Starscream in [[Tokyo]], but both he and Thundercracker were destroyed by their former flying partner. {{storylink|Dark Star!}}

===Animated continuity===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (US), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japan)
[[Image:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|thumb|Cybertron alt-mode (left). And now, young Skywalker, you will die.]]
Skywarp was one of the elite Decepticons that accompanied Megatron in infiltrating the ''[[Ark]]'' four million years ago. After crash-landing on Earth, the Decepticons and [[Autobots]] laid dormant for four million years, until volcanic activity stirred them into consciousness. Skywarp was the first of the Ark's Transformers to be reformatted and awakened by [[Teletraan-1]]. Now an F-15 fighter jet, Skywarp next dragged [[Megatron]]'s body into the reformatting rays of the Ark's computer.

Since the Decepticons were so badly short-staffed during their early days on Earth, Skywarp was usually involved in whatever crazy plot for universal domination Megatron was hatching. This included attacks on an off-shore oil rig, [[Sherman Dam]] and the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma|ruby crystal mines of Burma]]. When the Decepticons escaped the Burma operation with a cache of energon cubes, Skywarp requested permission from Megatron to teleport in order to scare off Autobot pursuers. Teleporting behind the strangely-airborne duo of [[Ironhide]] and [[Bluestreak]], Skywarp pasted the ornery old Autobot with a heat-seeking missile, knocking him out of the sky that he probably shouldn't have been able to fly around in.

Skywarp continued to serve the Decepticons for many more years, never really doing anything notable. He was first to fall victim to an invention developed by [[Wheeljack]] that allowed Teletraan-1 to briefly take control of his body. [[Chip Chase]], a human ally of the Autobots, planted the device on Skywarp's ankle in the thick of battle. Skywarp's teleportation power did come in use when he was needed to sneak up on the Autobots (who were all in vehicle mode) and zap them with the [[transfixatron]].

In 2005, Skywarp was badly injured during the battle of [[Autobot City]]. Though he escaped with the rest of his comrades aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], he was tossed out into space with other badly damaged Decepticons part way to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so that the rest would be able to make it home. Skywarp's body was gathered by [[Unicron]] and, among others, used to make [[Galvatron]]'s new warriors. Skywarp arguably became the lone [[Armada (G1)|"Armada"]] warrior who was never seen again.

===''Universe: The Wreckers''===
[[Image:Wreckersskywarpcyclonus.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Looks like [[Cyclonus (G1)#Who is Cyclonus?|Cyclonus was Bombshell]]. Neener neener.]]After the Decepticons lost the Great War, and [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon]]s claimed [[Cybertron (planet)|the planet]], [[Megatron (BW)|another Megatron]] subjugated nearly every Transformer alive with a transformation-lock virus and an army of [[Vehicon]]s. Skywarp was one of the handful of Transformers who had slipped through Megatron's fingers, and eventually he and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] joined up with the legendary strike team, the [[Wreckers]]. Given a mission by the [[Vector Sigma|Oracle]], the Wreckers fought through an army of Vehicons to steal an Autobot shuttle in order to get off-planet. {{storylink|Departure}}

''(Note: Though no reason is stated in-story as to how or why or when Skywarp got this new body between the Great War and the [[Beast Era]], ''Wreckers'' plotter [[Glen Hallit]] noted that Skywarp's body was based on a mass-production bodytype of its day, similar to ''Generation 1''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Seeker]]s.)''

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

===IDW comics continuity===
Skywarp is part of a Decepticon infiltration unit that has operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, working to destabilize Earth's governing organizations and create global anarchy.<ref>[[Infiltration, Part 3]]</ref> His alternate form is an [[wikipedia:F-22 Raptor|F-22 Raptor]] fighter jet.

[[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]] assigned him and [[Blitzwing]] to destroy all traces of the [[Nebraska]] operation, but, after demolishing the abandoned Nebraska command bunker, he is severely damaged by Megatron who, unfortunately for Skywarp had been inside at the time. <ref>[[Infiltration, Part 5]]</ref> This Megatron is apparently not one to hold grudges and he soon has Skywarp repaired and functioning again, under the understanding that there will be no further second chances.<ref>[[Escalation, Part 1]]</ref>

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Skywarp''' (Decepticon Jet, 1984/1985/2001/2003)
[[Image:Redeco.jpg|left|thumb|Skywarp is the redeco on the left. He's mostly black... not that this was a cheap or lazy decision.]]
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''23'''

: ''(Note: For some reason, the stats on Skywarp's, Starscream's and Thundercracker's tech specs were switched around. Skywarp was given Starscream's numbers, which explains his high intelligence and rank.)''

: The only 1984 [[Seeker]] with a deco not used previously in [[Takara]]'s ''[[Diaclone]]'' line, Skywarp transforms into an [[wikipedia:F-15 Eagle|F-15 Eagle]] fighter jet, sharing his mold with his teammates [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]]. Many parts need to be removed completely for transformation from robot to jet and back, which nowadays is considered a major drawback of the toy. It is rare to find it complete, as neither mode can hold all the pieces required. There are a few minor mold variations of this toy (common for the first two years of ''Transformers'', really), the most immediately noticeable being that early versions did not have visible "clip-tabs" on the inner face of the gauntlets.

: In 2001, Skywarp was given a short-run reissue by Takara as a convention-[[exclusive]] item, bundled together with Thundercracker as "[[Collector's Edition]]" Set C. The toy would later be more extensively released in 2003 as part of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Commemorative Series]] series IV, though due to US [[for safety reasons|toy-safety regulations]], his missiles were made extra-long.

: This mold was redecoed into [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] and retooled to make [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]].

===Machine Wars===
* '''Skywarp''' (Basic, 1997)
[[Image:MWSkywarp.jpg|right|thumb|150px|After his near-fatal encounter with the Invert Colors function.]]

: Sharing a mold once again with Thundercracker, Skywarp transforms into a white [[wikipedia:Rafale|Dassault Rafale]] fighter jet with spring-loaded one-step transformation from jet to robot. The two halves of his rifle store in his lower legs. Like all ''Machine Wars'' toys, Thundercracker was an [[exclusive]] to Kay-Bee stores and related stores like Toy Liquidators.

: This mold is also used by ''[[Beast Wars II]]'' [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirge]], ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Skyfire (RID)|Skyfire]], and ''[[Robot Masters]]'' [[Wing Stun]]''.

===Universe===
* '''Skywarp''' (Deluxe, 2003)
[[Image:UniverseSkywarp_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Like [[Mirage (BM)|Mirage]] except he can fly.]]

:''Universe'' Skywarp is a redeco of ''[[Beast Machines]]'' [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] in his G1 colours. He transforms into a Cybertronic fighter jet, armed with two projectile launchers that can fire orange energon bolts.

: His [[Spark]] crystal has a Decepticon sigil tampographed on top of it.

{{-}}

===Smallest Transformers===
* '''Skywarp''' (2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF X-1'''

: [[Smallest Transforming Transformers|Smallest Transformers]] Skywarp was a very small-scale simplification of the original G1 Seeker toy, retaining most of its functionality and accessories, except for his long null-rays. Skywarp was one of two [[chase figure]]s from the first wave of the line.

: This mold was redecoed from Starscream, then re-redecoed into Thundercracker, and finally retooled to make Thrust.

===Robot Masters===
* '''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
[[Image:RMSkywarp_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Now with the proper articulation for down-stair-pushing.]]

: ''[[Robot Masters]]'' Skywarp is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from the same series, a smaller yet more advanced version of the original toy, adding more articulation and reducing the amount of [[part-forming]] required. He was available only in a two-pack with Thundercracker, which also came with a Decepticon sigil pin. This set was the very last product released in the ''Robot Masters'' line, and wasn't even strictly sold in a box from that series; instead, it used a modified [[e-Hobby]] ''Generation 1'' reissue box, with only a small corner tab noting its ''Robot Masters'' origin from the front.

===Classics===
* '''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
[[Image:Classics_Skywarp_toy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Skywarp only wears the finest Decepticon fingerless-gloves.]]

: ''[[Classics_(2006)|Classics]]'' Skywarp is a redeco of the ''Classics'' Starscream mold, transforming into an F-15 Eagle fighter jet, though with a canopy like that of an [[wikipedia:F-14 Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]]. He comes with a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers that can be mounted on his biceps or used as hand-held weapons in robot mode and attach under his wings in vehicle mode. As with most ''Classics'' toys, he also features a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]]. He was only available as part of a Target stores [[exclusive]] two-pack with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. The set's price was $19.99, despite including both a Voyager-class and Deluxe-class mold in it, which for regular separate releases would be approximately $30 worth of toys.

{{-}}

==Merchandise==

==Trivia==
[[Image:LiveActionJazz-Skywarp01.jpg|right|thumb|200px|I bet he spiked the punch.]]

*A commercial for Transformers reflective iron-on patches advertised the "Prizes in Disguise" competition. When the iron-on patch was used, it was possible to instead find an instant win ticket for a Transformers voice changer (of the [[Enemy]] variety) - or to have a party with "life size" Transformers! Among the "life size" Transformers shown were [[Jazz]] and Skywarp. In all likeliness, you did not party with them.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Skywarp/skywarp.htm Skywarp at TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Skywarp Skywarp's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

== Footnotes ==
<references />

{{stub}}

[[Category: Beast Machines characters]]
[[Category: Classics]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Machine Wars characters]]
[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
[[Category: Seekers]]
[[Category: Universe characters]]
[[Category: Wreckers]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>