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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Atlantis,_Arise!&amp;diff=614022</id>
		<title>Talk:Atlantis, Arise!</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-29T04:34:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.102.11.3: /* Continuity errors */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Seriously?  We&#039;re repeating the episode navigation because the episodes had a different &#039;&#039;&#039;order&#039;&#039;&#039; in Japan? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.123.161|75.168.123.161]] 02:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Some episodes didn&#039;t air during the original Japanese run, as well. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::There was talk of combining the two nav boxes into a single box for the sake of neatness, but I don&#039;t recall where it left off. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::As I recall, if left off with me blubbering in a heap begging someone who actually knew how to do it to please please please DO IT. Effective! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So if the navbox gets changed, does that mean there will be summaries of the 3 Japan-exclusive clip shows? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.123.161|75.168.123.161]] 10:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well, we&#039;ll need someone to have actually SEEN them before they can be totally filled in, but the articles [[Generation 1 (cartoon)#Japanese release|already exist]] in an unfinished form. Their existence is a large part of the reason for the secondary Japanese nav box. It&#039;s the same principle as the additional UK comic stories, and the secondary nav box we give those. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Soundwave is drawn with a totally transparent tape door as Starscream has him unscramble Nergill&#039;s second message. It appears to be a deliberate choice to show the cassette mechanism within, but it conflicts with the usual white coloration of his chest panel.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Is this really an error? I thought his tape door was always considered transparent but just colored white as if light was gleaming off it like on Prine&#039;s windows. What does anyone else think?&lt;br /&gt;
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::It is colored that way, for that exact reason.  So coloring it differently constitutes an inconsistency, and therefore an error. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:36, 14 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== What Starscream was doing to Wheeljack ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It seemed pretty clear to me what was going on: Starscream was draining power from Wheeljack to give himself enough of an energy boost to negate the dysfunction ray&#039;s effect. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:28, 16 March 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It seemed pretty clear to me that he wandered over, opened a hatch on Wheeljack&#039;s chest, and tried to insert some wires.  &#039;&#039;What&#039;&#039; the intended effect of this is not stated.  &amp;quot;Trying to fix himself&amp;quot; is a likely guess, certainly, but still a guess.  (For context, as a kid, I thought he was just trying to mess up Wheeljack further, particularly based on Bumblebee&#039;s next line.)  Like I wrote, it&#039;s simply not explained. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:50, 16 March 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continuity errors ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I have issue with virtually ALL the continuity errors listed.  Let&#039;s not try to hard to find them when there aren&#039;t any.&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s not an error that Megatron calls them vultures.  For one thing, just because Microchange called them condors, doesn&#039;t mean they are in the TF universe.  More importantly, though, condors ARE a kind of Vulture.  It&#039;s no different than calling Ravage a cat instead of a jaguar.&lt;br /&gt;
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Spike: better animation might have served to show he&#039;s using a radio.  Not really a continuity error.  And if anything, super human strength and endurance is right in line with this show&#039;s continuity.  When have they been shown to NOT be?&lt;br /&gt;
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If Nergill&#039;s mouth is moving, then it&#039;s certainly an animation error, not continuity.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bumblebee&#039;s a robot.  How is it an error that he can calculate a trajectory very quickly?  Scourge predicted the planet Galvatron was thrown to with a lot less information, and we aren&#039;t calling that an error.&lt;br /&gt;
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Conquest might have simply not been shown on screen.  Where&#039;s the error, exactly?&lt;br /&gt;
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We don&#039;t know WHAT they&#039;re breathing in their city.  Maybe there&#039;s an additive in the air?&lt;br /&gt;
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So having an incomplete force field presents a continuity issue?  The Autobots can make force fields... does the lack of a permanent one around their entire base mean there&#039;s a continuity error?&lt;br /&gt;
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If it&#039;s an ommission, and not an error, why list the Starscream/Wheeljack incident here?&lt;br /&gt;
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Wheeljack saying something vague and uninformative... okay, but how&#039;s this a continuity error exactly?&lt;br /&gt;
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How they show a forcefield being destroyed is: A) Not any more wrong then the thousands of other animation conventions being used (cartoons are not meant to be a hundred percent true to life) and B) not an error with the continuity of this episode or series.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Dinobots are beinf shown to be strong enough to break through this dome, which was thought to be invincible.  The unsinkable Titanic sank in RL... does that mean RL has a continuity error?&lt;br /&gt;
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The point about Starscream may be the only real error here.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah, maybe the dysfunction ray works that way.  I&#039;ve never used one myself.&lt;br /&gt;
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Yep.  Fire can exist under water.  Water can sometimes ignite fires, depending on the chemicals involved.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.102.11.3</name></author>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Atlantis,_Arise!&amp;diff=614019</id>
		<title>Talk:Atlantis, Arise!</title>
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		<updated>2011-07-29T04:12:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.102.11.3: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Seriously?  We&#039;re repeating the episode navigation because the episodes had a different &#039;&#039;&#039;order&#039;&#039;&#039; in Japan? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.123.161|75.168.123.161]] 02:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Some episodes didn&#039;t air during the original Japanese run, as well. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::There was talk of combining the two nav boxes into a single box for the sake of neatness, but I don&#039;t recall where it left off. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::As I recall, if left off with me blubbering in a heap begging someone who actually knew how to do it to please please please DO IT. Effective! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So if the navbox gets changed, does that mean there will be summaries of the 3 Japan-exclusive clip shows? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.123.161|75.168.123.161]] 10:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Well, we&#039;ll need someone to have actually SEEN them before they can be totally filled in, but the articles [[Generation 1 (cartoon)#Japanese release|already exist]] in an unfinished form. Their existence is a large part of the reason for the secondary Japanese nav box. It&#039;s the same principle as the additional UK comic stories, and the secondary nav box we give those. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Soundwave is drawn with a totally transparent tape door as Starscream has him unscramble Nergill&#039;s second message. It appears to be a deliberate choice to show the cassette mechanism within, but it conflicts with the usual white coloration of his chest panel.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Is this really an error? I thought his tape door was always considered transparent but just colored white as if light was gleaming off it like on Prine&#039;s windows. What does anyone else think?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::It is colored that way, for that exact reason.  So coloring it differently constitutes an inconsistency, and therefore an error. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:36, 14 December 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== What Starscream was doing to Wheeljack ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It seemed pretty clear to me what was going on: Starscream was draining power from Wheeljack to give himself enough of an energy boost to negate the dysfunction ray&#039;s effect. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:28, 16 March 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:It seemed pretty clear to me that he wandered over, opened a hatch on Wheeljack&#039;s chest, and tried to insert some wires.  &#039;&#039;What&#039;&#039; the intended effect of this is not stated.  &amp;quot;Trying to fix himself&amp;quot; is a likely guess, certainly, but still a guess.  (For context, as a kid, I thought he was just trying to mess up Wheeljack further, particularly based on Bumblebee&#039;s next line.)  Like I wrote, it&#039;s simply not explained. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:50, 16 March 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Continuity errors ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It&#039;s not an error that Megatron calls them vultures.  For one thing, just because Microchange called them condors, doesn&#039;t mean they are in the TF universe.  More importantly, though, condors ARE a kind of Vulture.  It&#039;s no different than calling Ravage a cat instead of a jaguar.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>24.102.11.3</name></author>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Nosecone_(G1)&amp;diff=562476</id>
		<title>Talk:Nosecone (G1)</title>
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		<updated>2011-03-07T02:15:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.102.11.3: /* trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;I think the caption under the last photo is completely asinine.  It would be funny if there had ever been a suggestion that Transformers of this era were supposed to be in disguise, but they weren&#039;t.  First off all, the entire theme of this team is &amp;quot;futuristic&amp;quot;, so come on... let&#039;s not make fun of them for getting it right.  Let&#039;s not forget he was created by a T-Rex.  &lt;br /&gt;
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== trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is the trivia an inside joke or something? Or is it an old fandom joke I&#039;ve managed to not hear until now? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I reiterate: please explain the trivia. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:05, 22 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I believe it&#039;s a reference to Nosecone&#039;s ubiquity in Transformers collections-- &amp;quot;9 out of 10 TF lots on e-bay have a Nosecone&amp;quot; etc.  He was interesting-looking and cheap enough to be widely purchased, but boring enough (as a character) that no one formed attachments to him, so he just kinda wanders around loose... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I wish i lived in the US and magicaly have a Nosecone apear in my sofa.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:32, 26 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Spaceshot</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-08T05:43:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.102.11.3: New page: Possible reasons why Dreamwave got the names wrong:   The Hasbro Tech Specs from 1990 always listed the combiner pilots in order of front/back.  For instance, read the Tech Spec Bio for th...&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Possible reasons why Dreamwave got the names wrong: &lt;br /&gt;
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The Hasbro Tech Specs from 1990 always listed the combiner pilots in order of front/back.  For instance, read the Tech Spec Bio for the Rocket Transport, and it mentions Retro and Surge in that order because Retro was the front of the vehicle.  The exeption being Spaceshot and Blackout.  They&#039;re listed in reverse order.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the instructions show the jet facing right in the &amp;quot;set includes&amp;quot; panel, and the text below says &amp;quot;Blackout and Spaceshot&amp;quot;.  Someone might take that to mean Blackout is the back, since that&#039;s the side the word &amp;quot;Blackout&amp;quot; is under.  The panels for Retro/Surge, Pipeline/Gusher and Cementhead/Terror Tread have the vehicles facing left, avoiding this confusion, and Full-Barrel/Overflow have their names clearly shown in the very next panel.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Grit&amp;diff=534655</id>
		<title>Grit</title>
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		<updated>2010-12-15T01:03:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;24.102.11.3: /* Generation 1 */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{factions|decepticon}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{disambig2|the Decepticon Micromaster|his Japanese Autobot counterpart|Grit (ROC)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Grit is a [[Decepticon]] [[Micromaster]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Grit-G1-Boxart.jpg|right|250px|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Grit&#039;&#039;&#039; only believes two things are inevitable: the destruction of all things physical, and the permanence of the Decepticon Empire.  While he loves construction as much as his teammates on the [[Constructor Squad]], what he truly works toward is building that empire.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]]&#039;&#039; #3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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His [[combiner]] partner is [[Knockout (G1)|Knockout]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;French-Canadian name&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;Gravier&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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__TOC__&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Generation 1===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:G1-ROC-toy Grit.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Constructor Squad&#039;&#039;&#039; (Micromaster Combiner Squad, 1990)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Grit transforms into a wheeled truck that is intended to be the front half of a purple backhoe truck, which he forms with his combiner partner [[Knockout (G1)|Knockout]]. Possessing molded-in rear windows, he is one of the few Combiner Micromasters that  forms a convincing vehicle on his own, looking like a sort of armored truck.  He can, of course, be connected to any other [[Micromaster Combiner]] or [[Micromaster Combiner Transport|Combiner Transport]] to make a new vehicle.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Grit was only available in a six-pack with his squad mates Knockout, [[Excavator (G1)|Excavator]], [[Hammer (G1)|Hammer]], [[Sledge (G1)|Sledge]] and [[Stonecruncher (G1)|Stonecruncher]].&lt;br /&gt;
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: This toy was sold without changes in Japan as the [[Autobot]] [[Grit (ROC)|Grit]]. This mold was also used to make [[Pipeline]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://tfu.info/1990/Decepticon/Grit/grit.htm More information on Grit at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* In [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]]&#039;&#039; encyclopedia, Grit is depicted flipped left-to-right.  (His combiner pin is on the wrong side.)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Footnotes==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Combiners]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Micromasters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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