Talk:Pat Lee

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Kudos on the disambiguation gag. :D --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

it says he's a Canadian artists, wouldn't the slang abbreviation "Can artist" be more effective? btw that quote was found by me I am great--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 02:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I missed that business. What's the full story with Alex Milne? --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 02:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:[http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2581] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, shouldn't we have this LITG article "External links"ed from both Pat & Alex's pages? -- M Sipher

At TFcon 2007, Alex vented his heavy distaste for Pat Lee, even so much so that if they ever met again..... he then trailed off at that point (it was during the artist panel), not a happy camper thanks to the "SUPASTAR!" [[User:ProtomanXRED|ProtomanXRED]]
==Cartoon before toys?==

Can anyone confirm the "He believes that the Transformers cartoon was so amazing that it was only a matter of time before the toys were made" line? It was added by an anonymous user, so I'm tempted to delete it, but I ''want'' it to be true. So... reference? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:I... want to say it was a pre-DW-gets-the-license interview. We should most ''definitely'' source it on this page once we track it down. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::There's discussion of it on ATT from March 2001, but not an actual link to the interview. Definitely makes reference to the "cartoons first, matter-of-time" quote. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/search?group=alt.toys.transformers&q=Pat+Lee+matter+of+time+toys --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Which really shows the reason why Dreamwave continuity was as animation-centric as it was.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== "serfdom" ==

I've seen on a few pages when Pat Lee is mentionned the term "serfdom" is inserted... what does it mean, exactly? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:In this context, his notion that people should keep working for him merely on the ''promise'' that someday he'll pay them. Maybe.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 19:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

== Kudos ==

1000% more informative now, Nevermore. Damned good job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hell, I'd nominate this for a featured article now. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

==Pictures==
I think we need more pictures in this article, if only to break up the text abit. How about funny photos of Lee or particularly shoddy Transformers art (assuming he drew it)? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, maybe a few of Transformers with the gigantic feet? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 14:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I added in the extremely short-bus robot that was his design for the [[Fallen]] before Wildman cleaned it up.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think the number of images is okay right now... I wouldn't want to see more than 2-3 put in at this point. It would start getting cluttered. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

==Andy Wildman==
What's the source for the altering of his art? We've, like, seen his pencils. They don't look any different. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
: I think he meant that Wildman made the Fallen look better than Lee's original concept. I can agree with that statement. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, but Walky is instead asking about the allegation that the inkers changed Wildman's art in The Dark Ages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::: would this be an appropriate reference? [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-108053.html] --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: I don't see anything that makes a good case. There's some questions asked that state the alteration as a given, and when Matt Moylan is pressed about it, he doesn't recall such a thing. I think this is just a run-away rumor based on Wildman choosing to draw his TF hands like Figueroa's. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::::: Had to remove the reference again. The interview linked said that Andrew Wildman was surprised at how "dark" the "finishing" was, but he's just talking about the coloring work. The scans of his pencils are hard to find these days, so it's not as easy to support my statements from two years ago, but his pencils were unaltered. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 25 April 2009 (EDT)
::::: I should add that the source of this rumor came from people startled at how Wildman's art looked, not realizing his art just looks like that when it's not inked by Baskerville. All his subsequent Transformers pencilwork looks basically just like his Dark Ages work. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:04, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

==Quotable==
Okay, I don't know if it was a mistake or a joke, but the "they much oftener succeed thrugh failures" quote isn't actually Pat Lee's originally. A google search turned up several attributions to Samuel Smiles. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==Recent activities section?==
In light of recent pictures of Lee drawing on somebody's apartment wall, should we do some kind of 'Pat Lee's recent activities' section? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'd say not. It's fan-art. Why do we need to mention it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::Because it's funny? Besides, in presenting the case against Pat Lee, we make do mention of things that happened after he was done with Tranformers. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia trolling==
We have two sections mentioning his wikipedia trolling (or somebody doing it for him. Which one should we keep? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== New sources ==

I just thought it might be interesting to rework this article, considering the number of new sources that have popped up in regards to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pat_Lee&diff=prev&oldid=215782387 "NPOV"] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pat_Lee#Cleaned_up B.S.] going on over at Wikipedia. We've got sources from Don, Guido, Milne, Patyk, Raiz... I think we should put em to good use on Pat's article and on Dreamwave's as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:32, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'd certainly support this. We are an appropriate venue, and the tone of the article already shows we're not pulling any punches.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::As the person who dug up those sources for the Wikipedia article, now seeing them all dismissed as "unreliable", I'm totally in favor of this notion. I'm willing to help out in any way I can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Always funny that Wikipedia can wax loquacious on, say, ''Naruto'' but anything even remotely controversial gets neutered down to the stub level.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::90% of the articles on Wikipedia falls into one of two categories: a) Unmoderated ones that are horribly long and contain laods of false bullshit, and b) overmoderated ones that trim down anything to a stub-class article because some all-high-and-mighty admin is on a "THE RRRRULES!" trip.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:34, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, updated. As the author of the (now deleted) section at Wikipedia, I gave myself permission to directly copy some of its content into this article. I also added a lot of other shit. Does anyone still have a link to the Adny Wildman pencils for War Within vol. 2?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:18, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Returning to Canada ==

From Pat's Alivenotdead blog:
{{quote|I will be heading back to Toronto middle of next month to hang out with family }}
Which authorities should be notified? And any idea how to notify them? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

:Given its ''Canada'', there are only the Mounties. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:23, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Notify of ''what''? That a citizen of their country is returning from Hong Kong?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:44, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Something about creditors who're owed money, I think.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Have those creators taken legal action against Pat Lee? Is there currently an arrest warrant on his name?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::No idea. This is entirely someone-said-that-someone-said, far as I know. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:17, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== possible source on not paying ==

I seem to recall someone from IDW mentioning that they cannot reprint some Dreamwave issues because the creators were not paid. Does anyone remember something like that, and if so, where from? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Of course that'd still be entirely unsuitable for Wikipedia unless a newspaper were to report that IDW did indeed say this at a convention or a messgae board, and even then out would be the evil conglomerative Dreamwave (with Roger Lee sharing the blame) responsible, not Pat himself.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 23:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== "Pat Lee once set a hill on fire"? ==

I followed the link, but I still don't get it. Was something removed? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 17:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Evidently. I've never been able to hang around long enough at his old site to try and fix the link, though. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.angelfire.com/pa/infrarred/infrarred4.html Check here], "Most hated memory: When I started a hill on fire."... Yeah. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Another source to take advantage of ==

[http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/796425.html#cutid1 Despises: Backstabbers]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:43, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:Despises backstabbers is hilarious, but his parting words are hilariously quote-worthy! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:41, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

== Latest status ==

Although still linked from his Alive Not Dead and Twitter and whatnot accounts, [http://www.patleeproductions.com/ Pat Lee Productions] appears to be dead. Meanwhile, Pat is now working as a "director" at [http://deepskypictures.net/ DeepSky Pictures].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:43, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== Aaaand loads of biographical/trivia info: ==

[http://www.alivenotdead.com/patlee/How-to-draw-Transformers-Wizard-Magazine-profile-678562.html] Geez.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:52, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, I already yanked a quote from the Pat Lee Sez section of that article. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:54, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
::I recall an interview with - I dunno; Simon? Don? Guido? Joe Ng? Patyk & McDonough? - where Pat nd the other Dreamwave folks were described as heavy smokers. Does anyone know where I can find said interview?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:21, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== Roger selling Pat's artwork on ebay for ridiculous prices ==

Is this noteworthy info? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 10:41, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

==Patimus Prime==
Amazon lists him in paranthesis as a name for Pat Lee. I'm not kidding. If no one finds it, I'll link ya, but I just felt it worth...mentioning. I facepalmed and lol'd a little myself.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

==Alex's own comments on Pat Lee's Transformers Art==
http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=7556&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150
"i never touched any of his transformers work, so i think most of you should give it a rest now. if you must comment on how i did a lot of the work for him, then make sure your facts are straight. it was only for the last 3 and half issues of Cyberforce. the only other stuff i worked on of his was MK Spider Man, and a few pages of Superman/Batman. and those were just backgrounds. i never touched anything of his that was transformers.

as for drawing tf's like him, i don't really see it. but if thats what you see who am i to argue that. i personally think i draw straighter bots then him, and i don't draw prime with boobs, but if thats what you see." Nuff said.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== Explosion Picture ==

I don't quite get how the explosion picture is "Chillingly Prophetic". Could someone please explain?--[[Special:Contributions/24.161.127.166|24.161.127.166]] 20:14, 27 December 2010 (EST)

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