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Talk:Quintesson

2012-08-07T21:30:55Z

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I feel like there needs to be a "Quintesson (faction)" page in addition to a page discussing their race and their 120 body types. (I exaggerate... but not by much.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:I can get behind that, sort of. Well, I'd leave this as the Faction and then do a "Types of Quintessons" page or something similar. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:07, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I think "types of quints" would probably make more sense just as a sub section here, so I started it as so, feel free to delete or move it if others feel otherwise. '''Question:''' The two pics I uploaded are refered to in the TFU entry as Guard and Gatekeepr, but I've seen them named elsewhere as Baliff and Executioner, but with no official source listed for thos tittles. Does anyone know if those are deffinately official and where they're from, off hand? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:IIRC, the baliff designation comes from the 'The Ultimate Guide style' additions someone was making last year. Baliff isn't from the original TFU, and it's not from MtMtE, and I'm pretty sure it's not from TUG. So unless it's from, like, the original movie script of Dery's character models... it's probably not official. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:50, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::Also, I think you're in denial about the number of types of Quintessons there are. I'm pretty sure there's at least ten... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:54, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, I'm sure there are a ton more that I listed, I just did the immediately obvious ones to start. Yeah, Deary must have given them a TON of quint designs or just went back to the well almost every time the show called for quints, as there are a TON of variations. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:02, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I think "bailiff" and "executioner" were my doing. More suitable names for the types based on what they actually did in the movie, I thought. Didn't realise they'd, uh, sunk in like that. - (Chris McFeely, here, who can't seem to stay logged in for more than a page.)
:::McFeely! Just the man I wanted to pin to the wall!
:::Quint ships, quint body types... the original scripts... refered to how? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Holy thingie! IDW's new "The Ark" book uses my "Bailiff," "Executioner" and "Inquisitor" terms. Clearly someone was checking up on the Quints on Wikipedia... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm torn between irritation- and elation that we'll have something official to call them.
::::At least they didn't steal from Wikipedia to canonize something ''wrong''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I'm particularly happy to see that it's resulted in their using the ''right'' names for the Quintessons' faces, instead of the Ultimate Guide ones. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::And these are?
::::::And on the original subject... I'm really wary of splitting this page with a "types of Quintessons" other page. It seems... like an utterly unnecessary link-jump. "Types of Quints" would, I think, be best served as we have it now... and under each type, make sure to link to the named examples of said types, like Ghyrik and Sevax. Preferably in list form, methinks. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::As mentioned in the article, they're the Faces of Death (skull-face, duh), Bitterness (fat-faced, turban-headed face), Doubt (spiky "old woman" face), Laughter (moustachioed starfish-head) and Rage (screaming, red-crested one). These were names given to the faces in a Comics Bom-Bom article (if memory serves?) based on the descriptions given for each of the faces in the script, which were, specifically, "smiling, angry, grimacing and suspicious." ''Not'' "War, Wrath, Judgement and Wisdom." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, both face-name sets are official... and something we REALLY ought to have illustrated cleanly on this page. Have the full-on view of the face on the left, then the two type-names bullet-pointed to the right ...
* Bitterness (Character model)
* Wisdom (Ultimate Guide)
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::Mmn. I'd probably substitute the latter term for "Stupid made-up name Simon Furman pulled out of his butt because he didn't do enough research," but there we are. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:I'd actually reccomend sticking the Ultimate Guide names in a trivia note. They're so much... ''squishier'' than the Bon-bon terms. They don't ''mean'' anything. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:04, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yes. That. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd recommend not. Personal feelings aside, the UG names are far more visible and ARE official. This contradiction of sources is frankly better addressed right up front rather than shuffling it off to the side. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Unfortunately, I have to agree with Siph. Oh if only Furman didn't suck... --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

::::UG names, with Bom-Bom explanations of their meanings? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::...''no'', just list them both, as illustrated above, because they are both official names for the faces. Simple, clean, free of playing favorites, and not pointlessly confusing the issue. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::: I'm with Siph here. Both names are equally official. Judgement calls over wich are more evocative comes down to personal taste. Equal weight for both works best. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Faction symbol ==

I am a big supporter of our humorous picture captions, so I'm surprised to be posting this, but I think the main one here *might* actually be a detriment. When the subject of a picture is obvious, which is most cases, the humerous captions are great, but the Quintesson faction symbol used for the main pic here is really pretty obscure. I can easily imagine someone comming across this page and not knowing what the heck that image is or where it comes from. Some sort of explanitory caption for that image would be rather useful I think. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
: Besides, Nyeh comes BEFORE the He-Man! Duhhh! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

==Japanese Names==
Acourding to some guy's translation of the Generations and First Series Complete books, most the Quintesson types have different names than what the scripts/marvel/wherever those names are from.

"Quintessa Kuintessa (Presented in anime/manga, no toys
(except Sharktron))
GENERATIONS DESIGNATION KANA (TRANSLATION)
FIRST SERIES COMPLETE DESIG. KANA (TRANSLATION)
(DESCRIPTION)

Quintessa Seijin ''seijin ("Quintessan")
Five Face Type [FIVE FACE]taipu
(This is the five-faced kind seen in the movie, and many episodes.)

Quintessa Baishinin ''baishinin (Quintessa "Juror")
Saibankan Type Saibankan Taipu ("Juror" Type)
(This is the single-faced long-headed kind seen in the movie and some episodes.)

-- --
Shoutan Type Shoutan Taipu ("Merchant" Type)
(This is the single-faced long-headed kind seen in one episode.)
::What sets these two apart again? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:46, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
-- --
Kagakusha Type Kagakusha Taipu ("Scientist" Type)
(This is the single-faced bulbous-headed kind seen in some episodes.)

-- --
??? ???
(This is the three-faced kind seen in one episode.)

-- --
Mara Ar-Uta Mara•Aruta
(This is the single-faced "wizard" kind seen in one episode.)

Quintessa no Monban ''nomonban (Quintessa's "Gate Watcher")
-- --
(This is the bi-pedal floating executioner kind seen in the movie and some episodes.)

Quintessa no Rouban ''norouban (Quintessa's "Jailer")
Eihei Eihei ("Guard")
(This is the bi-pedal spear-weilding non-floating kind seen in the movie and some episodes.)

== Primus and the Quintessons sittin' in a tree... ==

The Primus article mentions in passing that the Universe comics attempted to retcon together the Primus origin/multiversal necessity and the Quintesson origin from the toon. I never got those books so I wondering if someone could fill in the details under the "Universe" entry here?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:I could take a stab at it when I get back on Tuesday.... but if you want to do it before than I'd be happy to run cleanup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::If I had the books I'd be typing already. ;) I take it you're heading to Botcon? Me too. If so, hope to see you there.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:44, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Nah, up north for my Birthday with my family!
:::Lousy timing isn't it? I could have completely rearranged the wiki while David was gone...-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Ah well, I suppose the Qunits will have to wait. I mean it's not Botcon, but being born is something to celebrate too I guess. ;P Have fun and Happy early B-day--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:22, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Quintessons as an Allegory for Toy Executives? ==

I just realized something after listening to my prof go on about allegories (extended metaphors used throughout an entire text). Maybe the Quintessons were a metaphorical way for the fiction writers to describe Hasbro and Takara executives.

Some similarities I've noticed include that both created the Transformers and both kill off various Transformers for reasons that may or may not make any sense in context with the rest of the fiction (the Quints in their weird sense of "justice", the execs To Sell Toys). Both also see Transformers as consumer goods (with the Quints killing off the Mutants in IDW's Beast Wars: The Gathering because they are "unmarketable products") and have no qualms about destroying characters, factions, storylines, etc. in pursuit of the allmighty dollar (or galactic credit, or whatever the hell Quints use).

Anyone else notice this trend, or is this just the rantings of a coffee-deprived English major? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 14:29, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

:Probably the later, but an interesting idea nonetheless. At one point after a gender-focused anthropology class I thought it quite "interesting" that the Decepticons tended to favor long phalic canon weapons, while the autobots icon was spherical womb-like and life giving. Try explaining that observation and not coming off odd.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:35, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Zac... 'Matrix' ''means'' 'womb/mother,' the word dates from ancient Egypt.
::Also I think that the Quints as Hasbro execs it a valid reading... but I think it rests almost entirely in aspects added to the fiction post-1987. In their original conception they are roman emperors (TF:TM) and unchecked, untemptered capitalism (Season 3.) The recurring riff about Quints not understanding complex emotions appears to be a specific attack on the 'Greed is Good' decade (80's,) arguing that the Quints have in effect become slaves to their own greed- eternally playing catch-up to try and recoup/make good their losses. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I hate to admit this, but I've only seen TF:TM once, and I've never seen any Season 3 eps. But hey, Quintessons as general social criticism works just as well as direct allegories. The same basic message is put across -- Transformers are more than just toys to be sold. Good point Derik. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::::The Quint and Junkion sections of TF:TM are right out of Jonathan Swift, so... yeah. -Derik 05:06, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== The other race? ==

While I was reading [[Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Generation_One]] I noticed something, the female Autobots work for the Quintessons, now I remember that in the Quintessson part of the MTMTE profile book 8 from Dreamwave a text mentions that there are rumours of the Quintessons having another secrete group of warriors on Quintessa besides the Sharkticons and Allicons. Could it be that that was a bit of foreshadowing to the Fembot arc and actually meant the Female Autobots?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:19, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
:That was exactly it, yes. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:22, 21 September 2009 (EDT)
::Really awesome, and it only took a couple of years for me to figure that out myself I'm a god damn genius! [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:00, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

== Judge faces ==

Is there a reason some of the names are in bold and some are not? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:25, 13 November 2009 (EST)
::Okay, I unbolded (is that even a real term?) the second names on all of the Judge faces. I THINK that was the original intent of the bold/not bold text. If I was wrong, please let me know. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:14, 21 November 2009 (EST)

== 'Absolute cowards' ==

id like to dispute this line in the opening paragraph. the quintessons are extremely pragmatic and incapable of fighting, so if they are in danger they retreat but they showed little to no fear in most circumstances, and when they did is was equal or less than youd expect of most characters in their situation. in five faces of darkness when one fell into the sharkticon tank the others stated that he was to die as well, in response the doomed quint not only is utterly calm, and even praised their decision to let him die. so, do you think this line should stay? {{unsigned|Decay|19:39, November 15, 2010 (EST)}}
:That is a very good observation. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:52, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Organic or Mechanical ==
Since there's currently been some editing on the subject, I figured I would point out that Wreckers Finale Part 2 mentions Quintessons having both "technological and organic locomotion". This would suggest that even if their origin was wholy mechanical as [[The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)]] states, that they have since become cyborgs. - [[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 16:58, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

== Toys? ==

Where there ever any Quintesson toys? I'm talking about ones from G1, not Alpha Q.

Talk:Cheetor (BW)

2012-05-10T14:42:42Z

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Should 1-2-3 Transformers Cheetor go here, or in his own section? - [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:06, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Contrary to what TFU.info insinuates, I'm pretty sure Go-Go-Gobots is its own continuity, and so they shouldn't be counted as bodies for G1 Mirage, BW Cheetor, and the like. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

== Stat blocks ==

Mr. 1337Intellect guy? We totally cannot have stat blocks on these pages that ignore every appearance of these characters outside of Beast Wars, and stat blocks for EVERY body the characters have had would go on for several pages at three columns wide in some cases. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 19:31, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
:One thing I like about this- it adds a place for body-specific weapons/abilities. There's some merit in that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:38, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese version ==

I went and removed the statements that the Japanese release of the original Cheetor toy was more show-accurate than both the original US release and the BWX toy, as at tfu.info, the only difference I could tell between the US green-eye and the 2nd Japanese release was that the J 2.0 had red eyes and a gold-painted forehead hexagon, where the US (and J 1.0) had green (or gold) robot eyes and a blue forehead hexagon, which ends up more-or-less of a tie show-accuracy wise, with the FoxKids! and BWX toys losing out for their blue forearms and feet. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== Transtech = Same character? ==

Someone already added the section here but I get the impression Tt Cheetor (and the other Transtech guys are going to be new alt-reality characters needing new pages. Other folks agree?

Um, no. Transtech picks up ''directly'' after Beast Machines (and Universe now), and all the characters (except a few) are either returning G1 characters or the same Maximals from the Beast Era. To me, cataloguing Cheetor as a Transtech character would be like catagorizing Beast Machines Cheetor as a different guy "because he looks different". Savvy? [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 22:12, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::It's been outright stated by the writers of the Transcendent comic that Transtech no longer takes place after Beast Machines as may have been originally intended, and is now being treated its own continuity. It was a fandom topic of debate for at least a month. ''Someone's'' not savvy, certainly! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:No, he's a different guy because he's from a different reality than the BM/BW reality. Transtech Cheetor is apparently a native of an ancient continuity and ranking security official of a multiveral hub-city. There's NO indication this Cheetor has any connection to the BW/BM one, and Wiki policy says he should get his own seperate page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:32, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

:Where did you get that from? [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 22:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::The people who write the comic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:42, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
: Transtech has a comic? (BTW, I'm sorry about what I said up there. All that I knew about TT came from some concept art.) [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 15:30, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
: Another thought- Could TT Cheetor and Silverbolt be alternate-universe-incarnations of the BW/BM characters? (Which kind of makes sense, because the Axiom Nexus is the "hub" of the multiverse.) After all, TT Cheetor and DOFP Cheetor's car modes look awfully similar.[[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 15:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::For the love of God, man. http://www.transformersclub.com You never get to call anyone else unsavvy again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:39, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
: You are certainly right about that. I apologize for all the crap I barfed up. [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Beast Machines too long==
The Beast Machines section seems to have been changed to a VERY length character analysis. It's really not consistent with the rest of the Wiki or even the rest of this article

==Radical surgical intervention==
This is probably the most major character to have needed the most severe rework / rewrite for the longest period of time on this wiki. Beast Wars isn't even done, and all of Beast Machines is some sort of English Lit essay that is in the wrong style, nearly impenetrable, and if you even read it it doesn't actually convey what Cheetor DOES. I asked the essay author at least 8 months ago to please try to correct it and he hasn't. So I'm cutting it ALL, since I think leaving it up here can give the false impression that this article is a lot more "done" than it really is. If people really want to read through and pick out the events of each episodes as part of a rewrite they can certainly look at the history page, but honestly I think the best bet is just a start from scratch.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 11:26, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Thylacine--I'm very sorry I didn't do the edit of that section. I was preparing to cut it down when the bookwork deal hit the site and the Cheetor page rolled back--I actually assumed that the Beast Machines section had been cut permanently by the roll-back. I would be happy to redo what I have, as I still have the original, though I have to protest that I most certainly did not post it 8 months ago. In fact, I put it here only a few weeks before the bookwork fiasco. I'm sorry it didn't meet the standards of the site; I'm used to another kind of writing, I'm afraid. The Beast Wars section is also rather piecemeal, and I actually find it easier to talk some about his transformation as a character instead of tracing every one of his mundane actions in canon (he's in just about every episode, after all). I might also add that some review of his relationship to other characters and some analysis is not to be feared, though I'm sorry you found it impenetrable. I will also note for the record that I am a she.--[[User:Aubretia|Aubretia]] 2:36, 25 June 2009 (PST)

:I love each and every one of you who rebuilt and rewrote this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:29, 30 November 2009 (EST)

== Kid Appeal Characters ==

Why are kid appeal characters ALWAYS yellow? You've got Bumblebee, Cheetor, Hot Shot... I thought it just merited pointing out.

Talk:Grimlock's New Brain

2012-05-10T03:01:28Z

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== Rodimus/Hot Rod "blooper"? ==

Well, there's a conflict of opinion, so let's discuss.

Rodimus Prime never turned back into Hot Rod without removing the Matrix from his chest. The last time Rodimus Prime lost control of his transformation, he turned into the Winnebaggo as always. It looks to me more like Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime's character models got switched by mistake at some point. Gauthier is still using his Rodimus voice rather than his Hot Rod voice. He reverts back to his Rodimus model inexplicably as the Technobots fight the Terrorcons. Doesn't make any sense, it reeks of blooper, in my opinion. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

:But he's *not* using his Rodimus voice - he's speaking with the different, higher-pitched "younger" voice he traditionally uses for Hot Rod when he says: "It's happening again! Perceptor!" [http://youtube.com/watch?v=h6a_iBJDt_0&mode=related&search= Youtube link] I don't disagree that it's completely nonsensical, or anything, but it really looks like it was intentional, like the anti-electrons affected his body and turned him back into Hot Rod for some reason. - Chris McFeely (not signed in)

::Fair enough. Really seemed like a blooper to me, though. Thanks for correcting me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Was at work when I added that previous response, so when I was struck with the idea to check the original script, I couldn't, but I'm home now and I've had a look, and indeed, the line I quoted is, in fact, credited to "Hot Rod," rather than Rodimus. I guess the anti-electrons made him lose his connection to the Matrix, maybe? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Sound Effect ==

I noticed while watching this episode recently that Perceptor's 'Electro-map' sounds like a ''tri-corder'' from ''Star Trek: The Original Series. ''[[User:Femmes Rule!|Femmes Rule!]] 17:07, 12 December 2011 (EST)

== Creating Transformers ==

Is it me, or is it ridiculously easy to create Cybertronian life in the original cartoon? I mean, first you've got the Dinobots created on Earth by Wheeljack and Spike; later (depending upon how you chose to look at things), Megatron creates the Constructions, or, following the same vein, the Constructions create Megatron. And then the Technobots get built in like twenty seconds by Grimlock, which has to be some kind of speed record. I know all this silliness happend before the concept of the spark was introduced, but it does make it seem kinda... cheap, right?