Talk:Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)

2008-05-11T15:27:08Z

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I think Cybertron should be defined as its own continuity Seperate from the Armada/Energon Story, Outside of the Comic and Toy Package references the Cartoon has far too many Historical Diferences, like the folowing:

-The first Episode Optimus talks as if they will be the first Autobots on Earth and must remain hidden from the population (by the time of Energon Tranformers were puplic knowledge on Earth)

-Minicons come from Giant Planet, as opposed to Unicron himself

-When Leobreaker and Optimus first Link-up they all act as if this is unheard of, this was later ignored when Wingsaber and Optimus talked about a Accidental Power Linking they previously shared. (Power Linking for Optimus was a Minor Part of Armada, and a Major part for all Autobots in Energon)

- Their Earth Allies from Armada/Energon (Rad, Carlos, Alexis, Kicker and the rest of the Jones Family) are not seen or mentioned at all

:It should be noted that at no point during the Energon cartoon is the existance of Transformers demonstrated to be public knowledge. Every human they're seen with is working for the Earth Federation's energon projects. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

* Rad, Carlos, Alexis, and Kicker ARE seen in the final episode of Cybertron, in scenes added to the American version.
* In the Fan Club Cybertron comic, Vector Prime explains that the [[Unicron Singularity]] is causing memory glitches in the Autobots as time and space is distorted.
* Armada and Energon have lots of continuity contradictions, too. Oh, and let's not even get into the continuity/origin contradictions in the G1 cartoon from season to season.
* Hasbro says they're the same story. 'Nuff said.
--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Nuff said indeed. The one thing that irritates me more than GEEWUNISM are the fans who are so obsessed that they think it is their right to control what Transformers can and cannot do. Like it or not, it belongs to Hasbro and if they say that Optimus Prime was a truck driver stuck in a time warp that got fused with his delivery vehicle, then it happened. You can't just say what did or did not happen because you happen to dislike the direction. I would have MUCH preferred that Cybertron have been handled more closely as a sequel, but I openly accept Fun Publication's explanations for the continuity errors.
--[[User:Bodycount|Bodycount]]
::::Oooooh. I can see it now. Transformers, starring Turbo Teen! (ducks and runs)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

:The major problem with these continuity errors is because of the change over from the japanese Galaxy Force to the american Cybertron. In all events its best thinking of Galaxy force and cybertron as another alternate universe (despite them trying to merge them with a few added images as mentioned further up in this discussion). (Menchicutlets)-- 15:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Lousy Effort ==

Who is not even putting up a very good effort on these Armada, Energon and Cybertron sections? {unsigned|69.234.144.73}}
:We're trying to get them done eventually, thank you very much, but it takes a long time to watch, rewatch and then write a decent episode summary article, and given the quality of the series in question, I don't think many people have the inclination to write them. If you want them filled out, how about helping us by contributing yourself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Considering HIS "contributions" in that area consisted of nothing more than super-shitty barely-English one-paragraph pages? I'd rather he DIDN'T. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Which is why I asked you guys if he should have been given a 'time out' given his repeated disregard for our rules and standards. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
"Lousy effort" seems like a pretty good descriptor of your additions thus far! Half-English half-paragraphs, no formatting? Thanks! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:Lousy effort seems like a good descriptor from Armada-Cyb, which I think is the root cause for tha apathy towards them.
:I haven't even WATCHED half of the UT, and I have little desire to. Inflicting 30 hours of truly awful television on myself out of a feeling of obligation had yet to win out, despite my own completionist tendencies towards fiction. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

== Only one editing? ==

Why you made me the only one editing? You think I'm the expert and elite on this? Thats why YOU MADE ME DO ALL YOUR WORK?!!! I'm not the expert at Transformers, you are not me. {{unsigned|69.234.144.73}}

:You're right, we're sorry. Because of your effort, we'll triple your pay. ''Wait a minute.''
:To be honest, Cybertron is still fairly fresh in everybody's mind, so there's no real demand for this information quite yet, but at the same time it's not fresh and hot as the movie, which because it's essentially the most prominent aspect of Transformers right now, has a huge demand for info.
:On this wiki, everything, ''like, everything'' gets added eventually. But I, personally, have trouble adding details on episodes when the DVDs aren't out yet.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

:Nobody's making you do anything. You might as well as why no-one making Beast Wars episode articles. You going to do those too, just because no-one else is? Cause that's the only reason they're not being made - no-one's gotten around to doing them yet. And a big part of that is that a lot of us find the Unicron Trilogy a ''tremendous'' slog to get through, and just aren't enthusiastic enough about it to do stuff on the wiki that deals with it. This isn't supposed to ''be'' "work," y'know. It's for fun, and if you're not going to have ''fun'' doing it, well... don't. Like everything else on the wiki, it'll be made when someone decides that they want to do it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

::We'll see Armada finished before Energon or Cybertron, because DVDs are available and the episodes were widely distributed back in the day. I don't even have a copy of Fallen or the other early episodes of Cybertron, just the Galaxy Force originals (which of course creates a problem as Cyb and GF don't jive with one another, so I can't simply use them as proxies). I'm certainly not going to go out and buy the few available Cybertron DVDs just to do recaps. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

May I suggest watching Youtube to know all Armada, Energon and Cybertron episodes?([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 01:29, 20 October 2007 (UTC))

==Pain count and such==
I am highly amused by the mockery the Energon episodes are getting, but I wonder what could we do for the Cybertron episodes? Should there be a Lost in translation section, even though we know both Cyb and GF are different for a reason? There are conversations that are different that have no bearing on Takara/Gonzo's decision to make it a new continuity.

How about the pain count? How many times Prime resorts to Super Mode as the first and only resort in battle? :) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:38, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well, what ''causes you pain''? What makes you want to pull you hair out every time it happens? Cybertron has an unbelievable amount of stock footage, but I don't recall any of the painfully repetitive dialog that Energon and Armada had. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I recommed we start with counting every instance of "Cyber key power!" in an episode, as I did for [[Space]].<br>
Part of the problem is that ''Cybertron'' is in fact better, so there's less pain, and there's certainly less instances of the same pain over and over. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

::Even though I hate the stock footage (particularly that episode where they padded it out by showing the Sonic Convoy sequence ''twice''), I think the bit where Prime's faceplate slides up during Supermode looks very cool. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I can't argue with that. Even as I'm sitting there A) feeling robbed of time 'cause I'm watching the same thing over and over, and B) feeling grossly manipulated into buying the toys, I'm ''still'' going, "Ooo, shiny!" I guess the 12-year-old in me is still alive and kickin'. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::::That and obsessive-compulsive disorders. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

==Autobots and Earth==
I'm not sure what the basis of this line is: ''The Autobots act as though they've never been to Earth before and have no familiarity with its culture, despite having spent ten years there in places like Ocean City.'' I don't recall any instances of the Autobots who are known to have actually been on Earth before acting like this. Landmine certainly does, but I don't think he ever set foot on Earth during Energon, did he? He certainly didn't spend ten years there. Were there instances of Optimus, Hot Shot, Red Alert, or Jetfire expressing a lack of familiarity with Earth? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:Jetfire, IIRC, is among the Autobots who require a crash course in Earth culture from the humans. Nobody understands traffic laws, or the notion of disguise. I think there's more, but it's been a year or more since I watched the show. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:04, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's also been a while for me to, but as far as I recall it was just the civilian refugees who needed to be taught about traffic laws and such. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I watched only one episode of Cybertron from start to finish, and I distinctly remember Optimus Prime having to learn traffic laws. Of course, I can't remember what I had for breakfast this morning, so anything I remember should be taken with a grain of salt. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:30, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Okay, just rewatched the first 3 episodes. In [[Hidden]], the Autobots (Jetfire and Prime specifically) are totally reliant upon the 3 kids to teach all the civilians traffic laws and find ordinary-looking disguises for them. Prime says to Jetfire "we couldn't do this without them." So.... what happened to the dozens or hundreds of humans living in Ocean City? They couldn't call up a few of them? There's definitely an incongruity there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh, there's clearly been an unexplained changed in the status of the Autobots on Earth. For some reason, they have to be in hiding and keep their presence secret now instead of working with the Earth Federation. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:01, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::The Unicron Singularity did it. I love that thing, it explains away every plot hole in every fiction ever made. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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