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Endgame, Part II

2011-09-02T22:49:11Z

63.203.180.99: I don't think that's an appropriate ending, since it never gets mentioned in the show.

{{disambig2|the ''Animated'' episode|the ''Beast Machines'' episode|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall}}

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|series2=AniJapan
|image=TFA-Endgame-MissionActuallyAccomplished.jpg
|caption=Mission: ACCOMPLISHED!
|ep=42
|ep2=39
|next=The Stunti-Con Job
|prev2=Endgame, Part I
|title="Endgame, Part II"
|airdate=[[May 23]], [[2009]]
|written by=[[Marsha Griffin]]
|directed by=[[Kalvin Lee]] [[Yoshio Frank Chatani]]
|animation studio=[[Mook]]
|continuity=[[Animated cartoon continuity]]}}

'''The Autobots fight to defend Detroit from Megatron and his clones of Omega Supreme.'''

==Synopsis==
Outside the plant, the [[Autobot]]s observe the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s hovering above Detroit. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] wonders what they are, and [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] assumes that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] repurposed [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]'s [[cloning]] technology to make clones of [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Aboard the main Lugnut Supreme, Megatron decides to start the field test with [[Sumdac Tower]]. [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] pontificates on the greatness of Megatron rather than getting it done, leading the annoyed Decepticon leader to ask [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] if he can control the clones directly yet. However, Shockwave is still working on finding the necessary security patches from [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]'s memory banks, and tells Megatron in an amused tone that he'll have to filter all orders for the clones through Lugnut.

In Detroit, the Lugnuts turn and open fire on Sumdac Tower. Fortunately, the force field goes up and protects the building. Unfortunately, it will only last for so long. Ratchet says that they need to launch an aerial assault with the [[Magnus Hammer]], but [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] is a little unsure. [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] then reinforces his leader's faltering confidence by promising to accompany him. Sari then offers to join them, and cuts off Optimus's "No, Sari—" with a rant about how she's always being told it's "too dangerous" for her to help, leaving her embarrassed when Prime says he was going to tell her to help protect the humans. He orders the others to help Sari in this, while he and Prowl take to the skies. Megatron initially assumes that the figure bearing the Magnus Hammer is [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] himself, and is quite relieved when he sees it's only Optimus. The two airborne Autobots manage to avoid the missiles sent in their direction, but Prime's opening shot with the Magnus Hammer misses the Lugnuts. Ratchet says that he's receiving Omega's signal from the moon, and suggests they transwarp to the moon and sever Megatron's connection. Optimus approves, and orders him to take Bumblebee and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] with him. Prowl says that they need to bring the Lugnuts down all at once, and Optimus uses the Magnus Hammer to cause a tornado which sends the Lugnuts crashing toward [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Megatron, livid, tells Lugnut to abort the field test, but Lugnut is forced to inform him that Prime's attack managed to damage the one Megatron was in and disable the flight mechanisms of the other two. Furious, Megatron tells him to have the clones destroy everything except Megatron himself, then leaves his clone and assumes his [[alternate mode|flight mode]], intending to take a more direct role.

At Sumdac Tower, Ratchet fires up the space bridge, ready to take Bumblebee and Bulkhead to retrieve Arcee and Omega Supreme. [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] decides to go with them, telling [[Isaac Sumdac]] that she needs to go. Transforming to her full robot mode, she jumps through the portal with the Autobots. On the moon, Starscream reassembles himself and immediately takes off for Earth, saying he has a surprise for Megatron. The Autobots transwarp in mere moments after he leaves, as Sari is momentarily stunned just by being on the Moon, while the Autobots are more surprised by the lack of [[Decepticon]]s around. Over by Omega Supreme, Ratchet sees Arcee and runs to her. Unfortunately, she's reverted to her fugue Teacher Bot state. Worse, she's bait: Shockwave fires at them, barely missing them. Bumblebee and Bulkhead take on Shockwave, while Ratchet and Sari take Arcee inside Omega Supreme. Both bots are taken down, but Bulkhead manages to recover and charge Shockwave, knocking off his cannon. Shockwave briefly assumes his Longarm form and pleads for mercy, but Bulkhead destroys his cannon with his wrecking ball. Inside Omega Supreme, Ratchet discovers the damage to Arcee's processor is quite extensive, and any attempts to repair her could take her offline. Sari scans the malfunctioning intelbot and gives Ratchet instructions on how to use his EMP generator to restore her memory from her internal backups.

Over Detroit, Prime orders Prowl to break off from their fight with Megatron, find Jazz and try to slow the clones down. As he grapples with the Decepticon leader, he snaps and loudly declares his name after being patronisingly called "Autobot" by Megatron yet again.

In Omega Supreme, Ratchet manages to bring Arcee fully online, her memory back at the time it was when [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] captured them. Ratchet promises that they'll catch up in time, but right now they need her [[activation code]]s to retake control of Omega Supreme. Bumblebee and Bulkhead enter and say they've found something Sari needs to see.

Back on Earth, on the ground, Prowl and Jazz try to get inside the Lugnut Supremes, but their armor is too strong to cut through, and Jazz radios Prime with news of their failure. Optimus tells them that the only thing powerful enough to shield the city is the AllSpark, but it's scattered everywhere. In return, flushed by his recent success in reconstituting a fragment, Prowl theorizes that they can use [[processor-over-matter]] to make the AllSpark whole again. Prime is doubtful, but Prowl is adamant, and flies his fellow ninjabot to Sumdac Tower.

As Ratchet and Arcee make their way to Omega Supreme's head, Sari is brought before the protoforms, and—believing this to be where she came from—gets a moment of closure from the experience. Outside, Ratchet uses his magnets to keep Arcee above Omega's face and the fembot uploads the codes, severing Lugnut's control over him. Omega Supreme ejects the massive Decepticon and heads for Earth once Sari and all the Autobots are aboard, with the three remaining protoforms.

On Earth, with Lugnut no longer guiding them, the clones briefly shut down... then reactivate with Starscream's face. The treacherous Decepticon tells Megatron that he planted bombs in the clones, aiming to destroy him and everything within a hundred-mile radius. Unable to remove the bombs inside, Megatron decides to instead destroy Optimus Prime, using the Autobot captain's name for the very first time. At Sumdac Tower, the force field fails much to Isaac Sumdac's distress, and Prowl and Jazz direct him to the building's bomb shelter, before they begin using processor-over-matter to collecting AllSpark fragments. Starscream arrives to observe the death of Megatron, but his AllSpark fragment suddenly begins pulling him toward the AllSpark being formed by Jazz and Prowl. Starscream panics and tries to destroy the two ninja-bots, but his AllSpark fragment is pulled from his head, and Starscream falls to the street, dead.

[[Image:EndgamePart2-Prowlsmiles.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Code of Hero|The rest...is silence.]]]]
Omega Supreme arrives and begins fighting the two clones. He is able to defeat one and disarm its bomb, but the other knocks him aside and forces him back to ship mode. At Sumdac Tower, Jazz says that they don't have enough Spark to shield the city, but neither he nor Prowl can pull in any more AllSpark fragments. Prowl recognizes that there is one other way to make the AllSpark chunk powerful enough, and levitates towards it. Jazz recognizes what he intends to do, and screams that they can find another way, but Prowl merely turns to give him a reassuring smile. Suddenly, the AllSpark releases a surge of energy, and Prowl falls back to the ground. Jazz catches his body, but it is too late: Prowl is dead. A field soon forms around the remaining clone, but Megatron and Optimus Prime are trapped within it. Megatron gloats that he will take Optimus with him, but a figure of light in Prowl's image removes Optimus from the force field. Megatron roars in anger as the clone detonates, and everything goes white...

Waking up, Optimus sees his fellow bots around him. They declare that they won, and begin to celebrate... until Jazz comes carrying Prowl's shell, revealing that the ninja-bot merged his spark with the AllSpark to give them it the necessary energy. Optimus moves toward his fallen comrade, but is instead knocked backwards by a purple blast. Megatron still functions! Ratchet uses his magnets to throw the Magnus Hammer to Optimus. In a rage, Optimus beats Megatron down. Lying helpless, Megatron urges Optimus to finish him, and Optimus brings the Magnus Hammer down...on Megatron's fusion cannon. Optimus says that killing Megatron is the easy way out, and the Decepticon leader doesn't deserve that. Instead, he places [[stasis cuffs]] on him.

[[Image:TFA-Endgame-PanAcrossEveryone.jpg|thumb|240px|We shall not forget them. Nor fail to reward that which is given. Courage with love, valour with honour, evil... with vengeance.]]
On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Autobots return is hailed by a cheering crowd (except for [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who glowers), with Optimus carrying the Magnus Hammer, [[AllSpark Matrix|the large piece of the AllSpark around his neck]], and Ratchet, Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Jazz bearing Prowl's body. In addition, they bring with them the three rescued protoforms, and Megatron, Lugnut, and Shockwave as prisoners. Finally, to top it off, Omega Supreme transforms from ship mode, and this sends the crowd into another round of cheering, hailing Optimus Prime and his crew as the heroes they have proven themselves to be.

{{--}}

==Featured characters==
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|c1=
*[[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (9)
*[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] (11)
*[[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] (13)
*[[Carrera (Animated)|Carrera]] (18)
*[[Searchlight (Animated)|Searchlight]] (19)
*[[Seaspray (Animated)|Seaspray]] (20)
*[[Cosmos (Animated)|Cosmos]] (21)
*[[Powerglide (Animated)|Powerglide]] (22)
*[[Furão]] (23)
*[[Sedan (Animated)|Sedan]] (24)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (25)
*[[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]] (26)
*[[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]] (27)
*[[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]] (28)
*[[Sky Garry (Animated)|Sky Garry]] (29)
*[[Dai Atlas (Animated)|Dai Atlas]] (30)
*[[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] (31)
*[[Mainframe (Animated)|Mainframe]] (32)
|c2=
*Three [[Lugnut Supreme]]s (1–3)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] (12)
*[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave/Longarm Prime]] (14)
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] (17)

|c3=
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (16)
|c4=
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (15)
}}

==Quotes==
"Shockwave! Is there anyway to bypass this endless pontificating and command these clones directly?" 
"Still working on the data patch, my liege. Until then, you'll just have to relay all. Orders. Through. Lugnut."
:—'''Megatron''' desperately seeks to cut out the middleman, while '''Shockwave''' demonstrates how to smirk without a face.

'''Sari''': I'm going too! I have a jetpack. 
'''Optimus''': No, Sari, it's— 
'''Sari''': Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's "too dangerous", I know. It's '''always''' "too dangerous"! 
'''Optimus''': I was ''going'' to say, "It's more important for you to protect your father and your fellow organics." 
'''Sari''': Oh. Right. Sorry.
:—Sari isn't used to being treated as an equal.

"''Get away'' from my weapons of mass destruction."
:—'''Megatron''', apparently about to send Optimus Prime to bed without his supper.

"You're a persistent little Autobot." 
"My name is OPTIMUS PRIME!"
:—'''Megatron''' and '''Optimus Prime'''

"If I cannot save my clones, at least I'll have the satisfaction of destroying you, '''Optimus Prime'''." 
"So, you ''can'' remember my name!"
:—Took you long enough, '''Megatron'''.

"What are you waiting for, Autobot? Finish me." ''(Optimus raises the Magnus Hammer and smashes Megatron's cannon)'' 
"That would be the easy way out, Megatron. ''You'' don't ''deserve'' it."
:—'''Optimus''' finally gives '''Megatron''' exactly what he deserves.

==Notes==

===Animation or technical errors===
* When Omega Supreme runs towards one of the Lugnut Supremes, the clone has a [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|purple Autobot symbol]] on its midsection as it gets up.

* Megatron's helicopter cockpit kibble (usually seen behind his head on his back) briefly vanishes for a second as he kicks Optimus Prime towards the AllSpark-powered force field.

* Just as Bulkhead punches Shockwave, for a split second, Shockwave's colors are those of his Autobot counterpart, Longarm (with the noticeable teal coloring on his chassis).

* Prowl's ghost appears with his armour on, but when it reaches out to save Optimus, the armour has vanished.

* When [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] makes one last attempt to destroy [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], his right shoulder guard is drawn rather small. As he's knocked down to Earth and insists Optimus finishes him, it reverts back to its proper size.

[[Image:AutobotGroupShotEndgamePartII.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Blink and you'll miss it.]]

* Quite a number of animation errors can be seen immediately after Optimus Prime stasis cuffs Megatron (right before a kneeling Omega Supreme gets up.) The Magnus Hammer has disappeared, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl's]] body is drawn like a boxy black mannequin in [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]]'s arms with very little detail, Jazz himself (as well as Bulkhead) are missing their Autobot insignias, [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] appears rather tiny compared to the other Autobots, and Sari appears to be either hovering off of the ground or standing on [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]'s foot. Oh, and [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] is missing from the shot as well. Dandy.

*When Optimus Prime first disembarks from Omega Supreme at the end of the episode, he is shown to be almost as tall as Megatron and Lugnut, who, by all rights, should be towering over him in height. They are drawn at their proper scale once they stand before the cheering crowd, though.

*When the Autobots hold up [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s coffin before the cheering crowd (as seen in the picture on this page), Prowl's body is drawn rather short. If one compared the height of his body to [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] at his left, Bumblebee would actually be a head taller.

*After Bulkhead knocks over Shockwave and he converts into Longarm, Shockwave's cannon is on the ground behind Longarm, yet when we see Longarm from the back he has the crane piece attached to his back. Whoops.

* The [[Magnus Hammer]]'s handle again changes length from shot to shot.

===Continuity errors===
*Due to the incomplete activation code, the Lugnut Supremes only worked when Lugnut consciously directed them from Omega Supreme. Yet after Omega tossed him out, not only did Starscream take them over, they continued to function autonomously after he was dead.

===Transformers references===

[[Image:TFA Prime with Matrix.jpg|right|150px|thumb|This is awesome and you love it.]]

*At the very end, Optimus Prime is shown with the large piece of AllSpark which Jazz and Prowl pulled together, in a container strongly resembling the [[Matrix of Leadership]]—and he's [[The Transformers: The Movie|wearing it on a chain around his neck]].

*Even at this late stage, a new face still appears in the crowd scene on Cybertron: [[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]]. [[Dai Atlas (Animated)|Dai Atlas]] and [[Sky Garry (Animated)|Sky Garry]] make their first in-person appearances (though Dai Atlas only appears from behind), and the unnamed, orange female robot, whose arm could ''juuuuuust'' be seen poking in from offscreen back in "[[Decepticon Air]]", also gets to appear in full. The crowd also includes a ''crazy'' amount of miscolored-slash-[[generic]] robots, including such gems as a [[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]]-colored robot wearing the [[65356-9292-346]] body type, a blue-and-green Sky Garry and a yellow [[Warpath (Animated)|Warpath]].

* Yoketron's dying words in "[[Five Servos of Doom]]" (where he tells Prowl that he will understand when his time comes) finally come to pass.

===Foreign dubbing===
'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''La bataille finale 2/2'''" ("The Final Battle 2/2")
:*''Original airdate:'' ???

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Saishū Kessen! Megatron wo Seiatsu-seyo'''" (最終決戦! メガトロンを制圧せよ, "The Final Decisive Battle! Suppress Megatron")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[December 25|25 December]] [[2010]]

::* Megatron delivers the warning
::* To celebrate this being the last episode to air in Japan, the Japanese dubbing cast sang the [[Japanese themes|opening]] "[[Transformers Evo.|TRANSFORMERS EVO.]]" over [[JAM Project]]'s [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueQA3QUO-eY original track].
::* For the [[Otoboto family]] segment, "[[Santa Claus]]" delivers several toys: Optimus Light & Sound to [[Tatsuya Otoboto|Tatsuya]], Megatron Light & Sound to [[Yūka Otoboto|Yūka]], and [[United (toyline)|United]] [[Optimus Prime (Prime)#Generations|Optimus]] to [[Hiroyuki Otoboto|Hiroyuki]]. After some bantering, "Santa" reveals himself to be actually [[Udo]]! He later gets conned into drinking a suspiciously-looking green health drink and reacts badly to it comically. The segment closes with a photo of the family and Udo holding flower bouquets—in Japan, it's tradition to give flower bouquets to major staff and cast members after a production is wrapped up, be it a movie, TV series, or a music video.
::* Optimus thanks the audience for watching and promises that they'll meet again one day.

===Real-world references===
*Ratchet refers to the Lugnut Supremes as "[[bootleg|knockoffs]]".

===Trivia===
*Shockwave transforms into a ''purple'' Longarm. Maybe he was just confused or [[To sell toys|something]].
*Jazz states that they can't find all the AllSpark fragments; at the very least, this makes sense because [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], and [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]] aren't on Earth anymore. There is no indication that any other Earthbound characters animated by AllSpark fragments were defragmented and killed like Starscream, and they don't seem to be kept alive the same way he is. At [[BotCon 2009]], the writers revealed that they had intended to show Wreck-Gar and at least one of the Constructicons to confirm their survival, but that this scene was cut for time.
*This is the first episode since "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]" to feature Prime's faceplate.
*Shockwave claimed in "[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]" that using Omega Supreme's original activation codes on him once more would wipe his memories, morals and personality, allowing a new mentor-con to turn him into a model Decepticon—a fact which Ratchet and [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] apparently both agreed was true. Since Arcee uses the codes on Omega in this episode, did this cause a reset to factory settings? If not, why not? Could it perhaps have something to do with that patch they were talking about?
*There seems to be a scene missing involving Lugnut - when Omega Supreme discards him onto the lunar surface and flies to Earth, he is neither captured nor incapacitated, and it's been shown repeatedly that Decepticons (including Starscream in this episode and Lugnut himself in "[[Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found]]") are capable of making ''at least'' the Moon-Earth trip under their own power, where [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] has apparently evaded detection for the whole of S3. His off-screen capture is therefore noteworthy.
*Arcee didn't join the other Autobots on their victory/funeral parade at the end.
*It is revealed during the events of this episode, that while in her robot mode, Sari doesn't need an external oxygen supply.
*As of this episode, there's a lot of remaining uncaptured Decepticons!
**Thundercracker and Skywarp are still floating out somewhere in space.
**[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and a bleeding, shattered [[Wasp|Waspinator]] are still in that mysterious jungle, precise whereabouts (and even ''when''abouts) unknown.
**[[Laserbeak (Animated)|Laserbeak]] fled the scene with the sentient part of [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] in "[[Human Error, Part II]]".
**[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]]'s whereabouts are presumably still known to the Autobots; he may have returned to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] with [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] after "Human Error".
**[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] leaves for parts unknown in "[[Decepticon Air]]". Although he did mention something about retiring to an island on [[Nebulos]] (where the [[energon (fuel)|energon]] is as smooth as a [[protoform]]'s bottom).
**[[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], [[Team Chaar]] and any unseen Decepticons all remain at large.
**There are a lot more Decepticons at large and on the loose than the main cast, as shown in [[Dispatches]], where a large group of unamed [[Generic]] Decepticons are present at Megatron's funeral as Blitzwing rambles on like a madman.
*Several other plot points have yet to have been resolved by the end of this episode:
**Sari's origin has yet to be completely explained. It still hasn't been revealed how or why a protoform showed up on Earth years ago, or why it looked so different compared to other protoforms seen during the course of the series. Since it has been shown that all the protoforms Lockdown stole were blanks, it's unlikely she came from that batch.
**[[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] was last shown apparently reconstituting himself at the end of "[[Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday]]", and has not been seen since.
**Wreck-Gar and all three Dinobots are not present at the end of the episode, and presumably are still on Earth. Although it could be speculated that they stayed there by choice, one must wonder what kind of measures that Optimus and company took to prevent said bots from any more disastrous encounters with the populace of Earth.
**[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] was last seen being repaired, but his fate isn't revealed in-show. The Allspark Almanac confirms he died.
** [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] was last seen crushed into a cube and tossed into an incinerator. We don't see him get incinerated, though we also don't see any evidence he survived being cubified.
*[[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] was originally intended to have a small role in this episode, in which she would resurrect Starscream after the Autobots left Earth. This scene was ultimately cut for time.
*This is the final episode to feature Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Prowl and every other character in the series. We remind you so we may see you weep...we hate to cry alone. But... there is hope. IDW might continue the series in comic form. Join us as we get down on our hands and knees and beg IDW to do this for us.
*Jazz carries the body of the dead Prowl and shows it to Optimus, this isn't the first time this has happened, [[Jazz (Movie)|except that the other time it happened it wasn't like this]]

==Home video releases==
This episode has yet to be released on home video.

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

User talk:Derik

2011-07-27T20:05:27Z

63.203.180.99:

=Archive=
My complete user talk history (including archived years) is viewable at: [[User talk:Derik/Archive]].
=[[User_Talk:Derik/2006|2006]] (Archived)=
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* Walky: "Storylinks shouldn't float!"
* Continuity range box (proposal)
* Explicit continuity drilldown (proposal)
* Passive-aggressive edit memos are not good communication
* [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] own the the G2 annual, but hasn't scanned it.
* Derik confirms he's [http://www.grnrngr.com/essay1.html this guy].
}}

=[[User_Talk:Derik/2007|2007]] (Archived)=
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* [[User:Rotty]] demands I be banned because i voted for a different wikia in a poll for a weekly feature.
* Don't post spoielrs from novels
*[[User:Crockalley]] calls my userpic 'the cutest catboy he's ever seen.'
* Screed at people in a series of edit memos is impolite.
*[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:EDC_Zodiac.jpg Autotrooper divisions]
* Derik should remember that is it not other users jobs to fix his opinionated edits.
* Descriptive filenames are better.
}}
=[[User_Talk:Derik/2008|2008]] (Archived)=
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*Don't put templates in categories
*Mosaics are not canon
*Undermining the Wikia adblock.
*''Archive is incomplete due to the [[Project:Bookworm Crash|Bookworm Crash]].''
}}

=2009=

==Post restoration Wikia link clean up==
I recall you telling us last year about something you did that would remove all 250,000-odd links that wikia inserted into every page and every revision of every page. Would you be able to do the same again after we've restored our articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:00, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
:I made alterations to the ''import'' script, so they never even ''got'' to our database. They're ''in'' now, they need to be edited out one by one.
:...I'll look at maybe setting up an edit script. 27,000+ individual edits in history. JOY. :p
::Oh, for God's Sake :( So it needs to be done manually? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:30, 18 March 2009 (EDT)
:::After I saw this (there's really no way to get them out the history?), I looked to see if [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AutoWikiBrowser]] could be used to start zapping the Wikia links - no dice, apparently http://tfwiki.net/w2/api.php is out-of-line with http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php and [[wikipedia:Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/User_manual|it needs to be the same]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:59, 18 March 2009 (EDT)

Uhhh... I don't have a webcomic. And my name's not Tim.

:Don't think too hard about it. I've been calling one of our admins Doug for a year and he never bothered to correct me. (His name is Alan... I think.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:42, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

== The Franchise Navigation Templates ==

I figure that as long as I'm going through everything, I might as well update all the templates to the new look, right?

Question, though: Did I assume right that the plain links above the navigation templates are supposed to be links to the continuity families? (Like, it says "Generation 1" above the Generation 1 template, and "Live action film series" above the 2K7 and ROTF ones.) That stumped me a little when I got to the Headmasters template. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:34, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
:They are inconsistent.
:The nav above the 2007 movie (pre-crash) should be "ready," in terms of HTML. IIRC The CSS for the new design was recovered. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:01, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I already updated the 2K7, ROTF, and G1 navs based on the cache files that used those templates. I just figured that I might as well update the other franchise headers to use the same format while I was at it (I hate pink, what can I say?) but was stumped over how to translate that one bit of the new template. That line in the G1 and movie templates ends up being readable as a continuity family link, so I was wondering if you meant it that way, so I know how to adapt it to other franchises. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:43, 24 March 2009 (EDT)

== A FYI ==

http://www.emopanda.com/cleanupbot/ - linked from [[:Category:Cleanup by month]] - needs to be updated to fix ''our'' cleanup count, rather than The Other Place's. [Plus, I suspect it may overwrite the category on the page, so please make sure it leaves it in [[:Category:Wiki cleanup]]. Although I half more than half a mind to just move the subcats from C:CbM to C:WC and save a redundant layer...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think it actually updates their account either, it hadn't worked since the Monaco upgrade.
:Hrm... you did just give me an idea though!

And a question: Is it safe to put <nowiki>{{speedy}}</nowiki> on the twelve month templates at the start of [[:Category:Real-world_events_by_day]]? They don't APPEAR to be used, but I'd like to double-check that [[Template:Cal-date]] doesn't use them in any way first. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:Nope! They're used for navigation! Clicking on a month in the date nav brings you to the 12-month calendar, because [[July]] redirect to [[Calendar]]. But clicking the "NEXT-MONTH" button takes you to [[Template:August]], which is ''just'' the month of August, unlike [[August]], which is the full 366 day calendar.
:The idea being... if you click next-month, you're looking for a near-ish date. And if you click on the month itself, you're looking to navigate within the full year. Separating the two display options out with templates actually does (or at least ''should'') make quickly navigating dates much easier, more "natural" to how people are likely to search dates. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:42, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
::Well, could you do something to stop them appearing on [[Special:Unusedtemplates]], if they're actually necessary, then?
::It seems a hellava bodge to be using a template as, in effect, a page - can't you just change the links from (e.g.) <nowiki>[[July]] to [[Calendar|July]]</nowiki> and put the "Templates" in the namespace where they belong? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:::I'll look into it. Part of the reason it's set up like this is simply-- this is the way ti was set up before the crash. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Admittedly I was thinking before the crash that if the Month links on the day pages are getting redirected to the calendar, they should, well, just actually link directly to the calendar. And the months should be actual pages, yes.
::::In fact, is it possible to have noinclude on a regular page? Because then we could have each of the months be a proper regular page with all of the day pages transcluded into it in noinclude tags, then have that page be transcluded where it needs to be in order to show just the calendar part.
::::(Um. When we have time to actually work on this sort of thing, I mean.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:32, 27 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::This thing you describe is possible... I will think about it, it'd require some re-jiggering, and at least 320 edits. (Every day's page would have to have its code changed.)
:::::Tell you what though-- I ''do'' know a way to get the month templates off the Unused templates page! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Since you worked pretty hard on figuring out [[Staff Sergeant Tracy]]'s name , [[Talk:United States Air Force|help me with this]] :) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:33, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== Bot request ==

I have a Deceptitran request. Could links to "Revelation (comic issue)" please move to "Revelation (War and Peace)" and "Revelation (Dreamwave issue)" to "Revelation (The Dark Ages)"? Thanks! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:23, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

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== The LongArm of the bot... ==

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Cybertron_Elite_Guard&diff=271888&oldid=267284

Huh? Even besides the fact that it [[Talk:Shockwave (Animated)#Capital A|seems to have been decided]] that the TransWarped credit was an aberration and the page has been reverted to small-a mode... wouldn't it have made more sense to change the link to [[Shockwave (Animated)]] in the first place? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:11, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
:The bot is automated to detect moves and change links accordingly. Since somebody moved [[Longarm Prime|Longarm Prime]] to [[Longarm Prime|LongArm Prime]] (despite the fact that it was a redirect), the bot acted accordingly. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:43, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::No, I add them manually. (I have it scrap the move log for recent moves and choose which ones to add to the queue.)
::I just assumed someone knew what they were doign when they moved LongArm. Not correct? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:56, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

== In search of a less stupid cleanup tag. ==

A quandary. I'd ''like'' to make the cleanup tag template automatically datestamp if you neglect to specify one, via currentmonthname and currentyear variables, so it ends up in the proper category. However... if I subst those in the template itself, it will be forever April 2009. If I leave them variables, the date the tag was applied will not be preserved. Thoughts?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:05, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:This thing you say... I do not believe it is possible. The problem is that {{currentday}} will always be updated when the page re-caches. You need the page editor to either enter <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki> or a <nowiki>subst:</nowiki> command for this sort of "expansion" to happen.
:The only solution I've ever thought of would be to have an off-site 'bot monitor pages in a category "Pages with undated..." and make edits to those pages, adding the dates to the templates. The results wouldn't be perfect, but they'd be more-or-less right.
:But that seems like a LOT of work for the result. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think I may have found the trick:
:::''A less versatile method for multilevel substitution is with a pair of includeonly tags: they can be used to prevent substitution on the page itself, while not having any effect when transcluding the page. Substitution is prevented by having the template call inside these tags. Substitution is also prevented by having one or both tags anywhere in the template call except inside a parameter definition. Thus the tag(s) can be before, inside, or after "subst:", or inside or after the template name. The positions of the two tags only influence the rendering of the template page itself. If the closing tag is put immediately after the opening tag the full wikitext is rendered, e.g.
::::<nowiki>{{<includeonly></includeonly>subst:tc}}</nowiki> is shown as {{<includeonly></includeonly>subst:tc}}''
:::[[wikipedia:Help:Substitution#Includeonly]]
::Plausible?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:21, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I've read this documentation before, and it makes my head hurt.
:::How does that help us? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:27, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::::On further examination, it doesn't unless the template containing those includeonly tags is ''also'' substituted. Which leaves us no closer. Drat. I shall delve deeper into the nature of transclusion and substitution and pray I don't inadvertently become a cultist of Azathoth.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::The problem is you want to substitute on the page itself-- you want a 'flattened' date. So that means the editor needs to put in the "subst:." (Or more simply, a <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>,) it can't be optionally assigned by the template if non-present, because that would require the template reaching 'up' into the page it's included on to make changes to the base text. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
We could, I suppose, create something to the effect of <nowiki>{{lazycleanuptag}}</nowiki> which forces substitution and only outputs <nowiki>{{cleanup|{{subst:currentmonthname}} {{subst:currentyear}}|}}</nowiki> ...but that seems like going 'round Robin Hood's barn to get there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:And of course misses the point entirely of plunking a date tag in when people forget to do so, the original point of this exercise. It is for the most part ''admitting defeat''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:36, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::See, I didn't think that was how that worked. See if you can make that work, with exactly that substitution. If it does we at least have a starting point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It does work. In that if I use the includeonly trick on the subst bits in that, and ''also'' subst the shell template itself, said template would then leave in the article text <nowiki>{{cleanup|April 2009}}</nowiki>, being a multi-level substitution as described in the mediawiki help. But, as I said above, it ''only'' works if the template using the includeonly trick is also substituted. The date variables get rendered flat, and the lazy cleanup template also gets reduced to standard wiki text, but any templates it calls aren't substituted, and thus still render as genuine transclusions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:50, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
::::The problem with that approach being that [[wikipedia:Help:Substitution#Forced_substitution|forced substitution]] is pretty much nonexistent, beyond a simple nag message.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:56, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

==Bot request for image tagging==
I've noticed that all of the images that haven't had their descriptions restored have the text "Importing image file" instead. Can we have Deceptitran replace all instances of that phrase in the image namespace with <nowiki>"{{bookworm|5}}"</nowiki>? I think that'll make that part of the recovery process go much quicker. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:09, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
:Link me an example file! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:00, 24 April 2009 (EDT)
::[[:Image:Stargatebattles_starscream_and_his_ghost.jpg|Perfect example]]. Oh, and I was thinking about it, and it's probably best to replace the phrase with <nowiki>"{{bookworm|5|Description and copyright info}}"</nowiki> just to make sure it's clear. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

==BW Neo Models ==
So, I'm looking for future projects, and BW II / BW Neo seem like likely candidates. A while back, while we were debating, you posted scans of Deadend http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/deadend_model.jpg that showed several angles. Do you still have access to that book, and would you be willing/able to make some high quality scans? Also, does the book cover the secondary characters like Survive, Bazooka, Bump, Hydra, Sharp Edge. Randy and Sharp Edge? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:05, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

*[[Beast Wars II Encyclopedia|Beast Wars II Guidebook]]
**Big Convoy (full++)
**Longstickupass (full)
**Break (full)
**Stampy (full)
**Chorada (full)
**Heinrad (full)
**Mach Kick (full)
**Lockbuster (full)
**Randy (full-ish)
**Bump (full)
**Sharpedge (full)
**Survive (full)
**True One (fron + transformation)
**High Council (single shot)
**Magmatron ('''front and magamasaur only''', toy control art for other modes)
**Guildart (full)
**Saberback (full)
**Dead End (full)
**Sling (full)
**Archadis (robot front/back only, toy control art for beast mode)
**Hydra (single shot of robot mode only)
**Hardheaded old fart (full)
**Crazybolt (single shot of robot mode only)
**Bazooka ('''control art for all modes, no character models''')
**Vector Sigma (concept sketch)
**Yukikaze (3 views)
**Fuzzy seal things from episode 3 (front on both characters)
**Yukikaze Shuttle (multiple angles)
**Concept art of CR-chambers
**Hideos Spider Monster from episode 9 (partial model set)
**Star Upper (robot + beast, same model seen on his article now-- I colored it for that.)
**NAVI unit (3 angles + claw detail)
**Killerpunch (illo of his arm shooting only-- no proper models)
*[[Beast Wars Theatrical Special Film Book|Beast Wars II Movie Guidebook]]
**Lio Convoy (full)
**Apache (full)
**Tasmania Kid (full)
**Bighorn (full)
**Scuba/Ikard (full)
**Diver (full)
**Insectrons (Full set, but partially obscured. I have their colroed character models in another book to recover detail from...)
**Tripledacus (front only + head detail)
**Jointrons ('''low''' resolution, front and beast only)
**Artemis (several angles)
**Moon (rabbit only)
**Galbatron (full+)
**Megastrom (full)
**Starscream (full)
**BBB (full)
**Dirge (full)
**Thrust (full)
**Autorollers x4 (front, back, + 1 isometric vehicle view)
*[[Beast Wars Neo Big Encyclopaedia]] (despite the name, it is small-format)
**Majin Zarak (monster/aircraft)
**Lio Convoy (full)
**Apache (full)
**Tasmania Kid (full)
**Bighorn (full)
**Diver (full)
**Scuba/Ikard (full)
**Taco Tank (full-- with that name you'd think it belonged to the Jointrons...)
**LioJr.Skywarp/Santon/Magnaboss (full)
**Galbatron (full)
**Gigastrom (full)
**Hellscream (full)
**MaxB (full)
**Dirgegun (full)
**Thrustol (full)
**Optimus Primal (full)
**Majin Zarak (full)

That's what I have for BW-era character models...

'''Major stuff missing:''' Killerpunch, all the Seacons (I have the colored models though-- you can see them on their pages on the wiki.) Some 'sets' are less-than-complete, but might be filled out if you were able to pull lineart back out of the color models. (I have several guidebooks that include colored models-- usually partially obscured by text but potentially useful.)

I am looking for:
* BWII Manga v 2
* Car Robots encyclopedia (whatever its name is-- there was a mini-guidebook published for car that included a bunch of character models. I didn't buy it when I had the chance, which I've eternally regretted.)

...that's probably a more complete answer than you expected. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

The [[Beast Wars II Super Encyclopedia]] has ''colored'' models for all the pre-angolmois guys, including the missing Seacons. (front angles in both modes only)

The Beast Wars Neo Guidebook of Fuckwin has colored models of ''everyone''. Front angles only again.

Both of these would require some work-- even assuming it's possible to extract lineart from them, they're partially obscured by text and boxes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:56, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

:... aaaaand that is why you kick SO much ass! It looks like between the art I've already got and these guide books, there is VERY little that's missing. Thankfully, I've got Killerpunch (one of the few ancillary characters from Neo I do have). It looks like, assuming you're willing to make some scans / bring some books to Botcon for me to scan, you fill in pretty much all the gaps that I've got. Generally, I CAN extract lineart from color models when necessary, but it isn't my first choice. Looks like I'd be interested in:
::Lockbuster (full)
::Randy (full-ish)
::Bump (full)
::Sharpedge (full)
::Survive (full)
::Hydra (single shot of robot mode only)
::True One (fron + transformation)
::Vector Sigma (concept sketch)
::Fuzzy seal things from episode 3 (front on both characters)
::Concept art of CR-chambers
::Hideos Spider Monster from episode 9 (partial model set)
::Star Upper (robot + beast, same model seen on his article now-- I colored it for that.)
::Gigastrom (full)
::Optimus Primal (full)
::Majin Zarak (full)
:Plus, from [[Beast Wars II Super Encyclopedia]], colored Seacons. From Beast Wars Neo Guidebook of Fuckwin, colored Hydra and Bazooka. That would give full model sets for nearly everyone. Poor Hydra (he's so lonely) and Bazooka may be the only ones who wind up with just fronts. Ironic, since they'll be more work than the others.

:Do you have my email address? Cheers! --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:38, 2 May 2009 (EDT)
::Actually, I could use better shots of Guiledart's dinosaur mode too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:24, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ads tot he list.
:::Do you need these toot-sweet, or can it take a few days? (Just determines how much cleanup work I do.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:24, 3 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Ideally I'd get it before Botcon. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:21, 3 May 2009 (EDT)

== The New Merge Template ==

...*dies laughing* Is all. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:20, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

== Template:Source ==

Trying to get it to match our new copyright tags, and have been mostly successful. Two problems. Trying to flatten out the if statements has met with less than perfect results, and the H2 tag there has forced me to use a bit of a kludge to prevent the TOC from being rendered IN the template. Hoping to get it in the same nice canary yellow and orange color scheme the original box you made for original sources used. Could you have a gander at it?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:28, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

== Revenge of the Fallen books. ==

I can't say as I really think [[Talk:I Am Optimus Prime (Robot Heroes)|this]] is one.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:40, 19 May 2009 (EDT)

== mfghrthr54tjtyj6t7kj67k5 ==

Seriously, stop bunging a Merge with Spotlight: Sixshot template on random pages, along with the other drunken stuff you've been doing tonight like the "Quatuar" page. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:24, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
:I'm practicing for my drunken rampage during Botcon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:36, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

== Earthforce/US timeline ==

:''Note: this is not speculation, the UK Letters page confirm the US timeline is a result o the Timestorm.''
Which issue? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:18, 28 May 2009 (EDT)
:I lost my notes on the UK Letters Page when my laptop was stolen-- ask Jim Sorrenson, he's researched the letters pages more recently than I. They say it at least twice. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== Bot work ==
Task: Scour the Wiki for all the myriard variant spellings of "Toys"R"Us", change them all to Toys"R"Us (no reversed "R", no spaces, standard quotation marks), make the first mention a Wiki link. Leave the [[Toys"R"Us]] page itself alone, especially the introductory paragraph.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:41, 10 June 2009 (EDT)

Can your bot handle creating links as well as changing them? I was thinking it'd be nice to go through and link up all dates that aren't linked already. Would promote the date pages and make it easier to catch everything that belongs on each date page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:54, 12 June 2009 (EDT)
:There is a concern that blindly linking to anything that looks like a date will cause more trouble than it solves. What if the text is part of a text link? For example, in disambigs, it's quite common to say ''in <nowiki>[[Transformers (2007)|the 2007 movie]]</nowiki> portion of the...''
:There is no simple way to prevent it from making a mess of those. :( -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:58, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
::Not the years, the months and days. Like "January 1", "May 15", "August 8", etc. I guess those could show up in links too, but I think it'd be a much rarer occurrance. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:08, 13 June 2009 (EDT)
::...potentially. I'll look into it if Scout ever fixes the pagelisting utility I use to generate a master list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:06, 14 June 2009 (EDT)

==Bot Request ==
I was trying to manually swap out [[Beast (planet)|Beest]] with [[Beast (planet) | Beast]] but the wiki delays have got me down. Any chance you can bot it? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:10, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
:Sure. When did the spelling change though? I thought Dreamwave's spelling ruled. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:13, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
::Actually, we may well have gotten them all. Spelling change was by (small) consensus, based on Metrodome and The Ark using the traditional spelling.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:23, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I'm not really sure why we moved it either. We have a name that doesn't require a parenthetical, which was used in English-language media. It can rightly be considered the English name of the planet. I don't know what moving it to a name that needs a parenthetical gains us.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:24, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Avoiding a disambiguation parenthetical shouldn't be a reason for deciding the name of an article-- it leads to stupidity like "All Spark."
::::But yeah... I get Jim's point of "two English-language sources for Beast," but they're both out-fiction sources that're just aping the Japanese name. (Quality of sources vs. quantity, I guess.) I prefer Dreamwave's spelling both because it has primacy and because it's less dumb (I'm not fond of Japan's dead-literal names) without really being a 'renaming.' The fact it removes the need for disambiguation is a plus, but not an active factor.
::::And it's worth pointing out that "Beast (G1)" isn't a very good parenthetical for the Dinobot combiner when Beest has appeared in Dreamwave's Transformers Generation 1 comics.
::::I don't actually care enough to ''contribute'' to that debate, but feel cree to carbon-copy my comments if they seem helpful. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:16, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Void==
Seriously, how do you undo that transparency? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:42, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
:<tt>Opacity:.5;</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 19 July 2009 (EDT)
::I have no idea where that setting is or how you're changing it without it registering in the History, but I do appreciate that you've changed it back. Thank you. (As the one who came up with the gag of the page in the first place, I'm a little defensive of it.) - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It's not on the page-- it's in the sitewide CSS. I have a [http://emopanda.com/tmp/tfwiki_tmp_global.css rapid-development CSS file] loaded off ''my'' web-space as an include in TFWiki's <tt>common.css</tt> file. The ideas is that since only admins can edit <tt>common.css</tt> and since I do a fair amount of our template work... I have a file that can be easily edited, so you can make 50-60 changes while testing/developing template code.
:::In ''theory'' you could do this by yourself and then tell people to edit their personal .css file so they could see the changes... but in ''practice'' the result is that only 5 people would ever bother, even for major proposed changes-- and twice that number would look at a proposed template and say "it looks messed up" because they were lacking the .css for 'em.
:::(When Rosh and Jessye were developing styles for Monacobook and the main page, we just threw their code into the temp file so everyone could see it and respond easily.)
:::If something's ''really'' wild and out there, it can be tested using [[User:Derik/kired_tools|Kired Tools]], and is only visible to users who've installed the tools... but KT came later-- and anyway for 90% of stuff the rapid-development file is better-suited.
:::The idea is that ''eventually'' CSS changes, once they're completely solid, will migrate to the central common.css file. In practice... some of this code has been there for more than a year-- but I don't think I've gone more than 3 days ''without'' making some sort of edit to the file-- either for a new template or to accommodate a minor template tweak someone else wanted. The "button" code for example (used for the previous/next buttons) has been tweaked slightly with every new template that uses it. (Eventually I'll probably gut it and we'll get a generalized version made which can migrate to <tt>common.css</tt>.)
:::Oh-- and to answer your question re: the void specifically... you can set styles for ''specific pages''. The Void was an extreme example. A much simpler one: our main page doesn't display the redundant "Main Page" title which was competing with the acctual ''site title'' (TFWiki.net) in the visual hierarchy.
:::So yeah... that's basically it. If you require quick CSS changes or a test you can bug me. I, in turn, have to be careful and play nice with the demi-godlike power entrusted in me, or I have it taken away. (I've been warned a couple times about the limits of what I should and shouldn't do.) Net-net, everyone benefits and TFWiki.net has some of the nicer-looking templates out there.
:::...this is long. I hope it answers your questions. The seedy underbelly of TFWiki.net developers, with off-site archives and changes that don't show up in history! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:20, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::::Oh and before I forgety-- I suggest installing [http://getfirebug.com/ Firebug]. It's awesome-- and it woudl have todl you right away 'where' the code that was baffling you on the void page was coming from. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:28, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

== Bot Oddities ==

I've noticed during the SG switch that sometimes, while fixing one link, the bot will at the same time revert a previously changed link ''back'' for some reason. Check out [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Talk%3AMain_Page&diff=345155&oldid=345142 this diff], for instance. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:The two edits were made to the same page 4 seconds apart. Probably one was made by the 1-a-minute crontab script and the other was made by the speed-editor (which runs in-browser) and they tripped over one another's feet. (I'll turn off the 1-a-minute editor. The in-browser speed editor should force all the edits to execute in sequence instead of parallel.)
:You say 'sometimes,' have you seen it anywhere else? Normally that would only happen once in a blue moon. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::Well, sometimes right now, at least, due to the huge volume of link changes we're running. If you go to the Recent Changes page and show the bot edits, and skim down through it, you can see various instances on a number of pages where the size difference is (0) instead of a negative multiple of 13, meaning it fixed one link but reverted another. (Or there's 2 edits, but the size diff is only -13, etc.)
::Here's just [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Shattered_Glass_%28issue%29&action=history one page as an example], you can see the instances where the size doesn't change, and they seem to match up to the quirky reverts. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:56, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::...great, I'm running up against caching lag then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:28, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::I think when I'm done I'll just re-up all the moved pages "Move all the links again." Only this time instead of 1,400 links, it'll find maybe 30 loose ones.
:::::Ultimately if I re-architectured the 'bot to do ''all'' the pending relinks on a given page instead of making multiple edits the problem would go away. I looked at making such a change this afternoon, but the code changes involved were too complicated. :p -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:31, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Faction Icons==
Derik, per [[Template_talk:Factions]], trying to swap out the Armada Unicron symbol for the Blendtron Unicron symbol ... how would I do that? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:43, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:That's done on [[template:factions/icons]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:46, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::I can't figure out how, just from that link. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:26, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Mazenoise got it. Once the cache refreshes, the pages should reflect this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:28, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Thanks. (Sorry for your real estate, Derik.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:54, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Eh, no problem. I point out that [[User:Derik/kired tools|Kired Tools]] adds as 'purge' button @ the top of an article after the 'watch' button, which enables you to force a page to re-cache with a single click. (''Quite'' useful when making changes to templates... you don't have to wait for them to re-cache to see how the result looks.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:05, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

== Template numeracy ==

Just curious, is there a simple way to perform operations on a numeric template variable?

That is, if the template has a variable ''x'', can the template be made to spit out x+1 and x-1? And, taking it a stage further, can it be made to spit these out as a fixed number of digits (that is, if x=5, can it be made to spit out x+1 as 06 and x-1 as 04 without any further intervention?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:29, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

<nowiki>{{#pad: {{#expr: 1 + 2}} |4|0}}</nowiki> ''<!-- Pad to 4 characters using "0" the result of the expression
* [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:ParserFunctions Relevant link with more info.] (This and other useful links can be found in the last section of my userpage. You want anything called "functions." )-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:44, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

::Thanks, I managed to figure out the rest from that :) [It was just to have autogenerated back/forward links on the Marvel cover templates, given that I didn't want to edit 97 pages by hand again and I hadn't been able to figure it out originally. There's still a slight question of styling, but meh, it'll do now] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:13, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

==Sun Raid==
I posted the audio of Sun Raid on my Yahoo Video page. It was among the requests. Credit to Retro Robot Radio and positive feedback would be appreciated. [http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5920762/15412501] [[Special:Contributions/69.14.142.90|69.14.142.90]] 17:32, 7 September 2009 (EDT

:What a piece of work are you, 
:how noble in reason, 
:how infinite in faculties, 
:in form and moving how express and admirable, 
:in action how like an angel, 
:in apprehension how like a god! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:07, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Thanks, I just meant give it 5 stars in the Yahoo Video ratings and maybe say "thanks for posting this" in the user comments on that page. I'd been searching for Sun Raid for ages. I think I just need the audio for Decepticon Hostage now. [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 16:58, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

==I guess this is a job for the bot==
Transfans.net relocated to transfans.co.uk lately, there's a thread about it here: http://transfans.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=112756 - we have a bunch of links to their scans of the UK comic letters pages, so we'll need to sort them before the redirects go away. Cheers, [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:07, 15 September 2009 (EDT)

== Navmenu Work in Progress ==
[[User:Jeysie/Navmenu]]

Sorry I'm taking so long on it, but I can only wrestle with IE for so long before I want to start kicking things, and my cat doesn't deserve that.

(And yeah, I know the design is ugly... that's not my strong point. I figure once the functionality's done, the design can be tweaked.)

(...wait, why did I name this "navmenu"? It's not a freaking navmenu. Oh well, whatev.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:09, 25 September 2009 (EDT)

:Uh, why include {{tl|HMcover}}, {{tl|MarvelUScover}} and {{tl|MarvelG2cover}}? They're all done - there's only 4, 80 and 13 (respectively) of each and they're all uploaded in the right places (unlike the Marvel UK covers, where 91 covers need moved for naming errors [[:Image:Desert island risks.jpg|large]] and [[:Image:MarvelUK-319.JPG|small]]. Also, someone needs to figure out the UK copyright situation on them enough to write {{tl|MarvelUKcover}} and {{tl|MarvelUKinterior}}.). Even if you wanted to upload a new version, you wouldn't need to insert those templates all over again.
:[And I can't tell, since I don't have the JS plugins/etc - does the code just spurt out stuff like <nowiki>{{MarvelUSinterior}}</nowiki>, or does it include the variables? And if this is for file ''uploading'', why {{tl|badimage}} and the replacedimage template?) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:34, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
::Because I just grabbed every single template in the Image Templates category. I don't actually know if all of those templates are useful or not, I was just interested in the core functionality of the thing. Since the HTML code is just a simple list, those folks who do know what is and isn't useful can easily remove (or add) stuff as needed.
::And, right now all it does is insert the basic template code itself sans variables, using the same wiki code that the Edit Tools bit uses. Derik will have to add back in the JS, as I don't know jack about JS. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:43, 25 September 2009 (EDT)
It spurts out the same code test that is displayed. If we convert the template to javascript (which, to be fair, can be done AFTER the design) we can re-rig it so that it spits out the template WITH all the variables listed and ready to be filled in to make it easier to use. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:23, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:Re: your Internet Explorer questions... do they perhaps relate to IE not properly registering mouseover events on objects other than A's? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:48, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
::No, IE7 can handle that (at least, it can in the test case... I'm hoping that the wiki's DOCTYPE and whatnot won't screw with it somehow), and there's a relatively easy tweak known as "behaviors" that can duplicate the functionality in IE6. It's more just IE being irritating in how it handles general display compared to FF and Opera, especially when you're fooling around with <tt>position:absolute</tt>. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:52, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
:::<nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> IE's stupidity has mostly gone unconscious for me-- I've spent a decade dealing with it. Most of the time I code on Firefox now, and go back and fix any display issues... but that only works because I automatically avoid the types of conflicts that cause IE's worst problems, so no fundamental re-coding it needed, just tweaks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:56, 26 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I usually try to avoid the more problematic stuff too, but there's no getting around using position when doing CSS menus. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:00, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

== Note to self... ==

As of {{now|15:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)}} there are 34,321 pages and 3,229 reirects on the wiki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

==Another bot request==

Is it somehow possible to have Deceptitran add [[:Category:Images by Nelson Yomtov]] to every Marvel US image? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 06:38, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:Hmmm... do they all share a common category? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::Well, there's [[:Category:Marvel US interior images]], which would make this a lot simpler than I thought. The only thing remaining after that would be to hunt down all those images that don't have the {{tl|MarvelUSinterior}} template on them.. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 07:30, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Working on it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:21, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:::er- you realize that we have 2,283 images on the wiki with NO description other than "Importing Image File"? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:25, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Could you ''post'' that list somewhere, by any chance? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:21, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'm running some DB queries on my own server now related to it. (I also want to catch all the images whose description is ""; a totally blank page.)
:::::Once ''that's'' in place, ''then'' I'm going to re-code the 'bot (it's currently broken) into something more robust which can better handle our needs (Deceptitran 1.0 would stubbornly refuse to fix some links, wouldn't fix the in-template pagelinks we use, etc.) and use it to flag all the problem images.
:::::You know-- in between doing 6 ''other'' things, like working out a proposal for a total re-think on infobox layout, and a template for ad-hoc category tagging articles related to maintenance projects, writing a generic content-syndication script... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:13, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Would it be easy enough to make the bot just go through changing "Importing Image File" (and the blank pages) to {{tl|Bookworm}} for now? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 15:23, 27 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::That's essentially what I've got planned, yes.

== Trolls ==

I read your essay on trolls a while back, and I thought it was one of the most concise and clear explanations of troll behavior in a wiki setting that I've seen. If it's okay with you, I'd like to present it as an unofficial essay on the wiki's I work on (obviously crediting you). So
#Is that fine with you?
#Could you provide a link to the original essay, both for crediting and because I'm stupid and can't find it.

Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:17, 7 November 2009 (EST)
:Sure, is it the "agree to disagree is not collaborate understanding" rant around Soundwave's profile you're looking for? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:21, 11 November 2009 (EST)
::Oh man, I just realized I never replied to this. I apologize for my rudeness; yes, it was the one about Soundwave's profile.[[Special:Contributions/68.58.56.172|68.58.56.172]] 01:11, 9 December 2010 (EST)

== Year subpages ==

As I've been filling out the year pages, I've noticed that very few of the "subpages" for the year pages have been filled out. And those that have been filled out, don't seem to contain any information that isn't already found on the main year pages. What was the intent of those pages? As is, they seem redundant. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:16, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:Trash 'em! We've struggled to figure out what to do with the "year" pages. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:00, 21 November 2009 (EST)
::Ok. You're only saying to trash the subpages, I hope? I think the year pages are still valuable as lists of what was released that year. And by the by, have you seen what I did with [[1985]] or [[1986]] yet? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:59, 21 November 2009 (EST)
:::Yeah, there was this sort of vague idea that the year pages ought to be highly structured... but it just hasn't worked out in practice (no one does the work) to the year pages have languished. If they're finally turning ''into'' something then by all means feel free to trash those early experiments and impose the '''working''' structure. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:55, 21 November 2009 (EST)

== Suite template ==

I made a minor tweak to the suite template, which I've currently got at [[User:Abates/suitetest]]. The reason for it is because the suite template as it's currently engineered seems to generate bogus entries in the WantedPages list for "Optimus Prime (G1)/Merchandise/suite" and so on. As you're the resident template guru, I thought I'd better check with you before storming ahead and implementing it, in case there was some drawback I hadn't thought of with regards to the way I've done it. The only problem I can think of offhand is if it's used on an article with a / in it, for instance if we had "Transformers/G.I. Joe/Gallery". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:57, 9 December 2009 (EST)

==Bot request - redirects cat==
;Disregard.
<s>Now that you've got D'tran back up and working, could you possibly ask him to add any and all redirect pages into Category:Redirects to stop them clogging up [[Special:Uncategorizedpages]], please? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 04:05, 11 December 2009 (EST)</s>
:I'm confused - I don't see any redirects in the Uncategorized Pages list! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:31, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::You know what? You're right. I must be thinking of something else, but I can't think what it is. Ignore me. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 04:43, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I probably SHOULD do that with all the recursive redirect templates though... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:18, 29 December 2009 (EST)

== Rounded corners stuff ==
Thought I'd mention the little thing that the next version of Opera will support the <tt>border-radius</tt> property (since IIRC we just have FF & Safari's proprietary rounded border properties). IE still sucks, of course. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:13, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:Ayep, Opera 10.5 definitely has rounded border support. I added tweaks of all of the border-radius things I could find to [[User:Jeysie/monacobook.css|my personal CSS]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:15, 8 March 2010 (EST)

=2010=

==PSX Transmetals==
Hey, Derik. The Playstation version of the Transmetals fighting game won't emulate on my machine. Would you be able to get shots of the player 2 color schemes for the various characters in it, like you did Windrazor? (Is there really only one secondary color scheme per character in the PS version? The N64 game went crazy with 'em. I still need to finish screenshotting those...) -- [[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 08:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)

:[http://emopanda.com/tmp/transmetals/ This] is a page I was working on in 2003 documenting the Tranemetals game which I never got finished. You can download [http://emopanda.com/tmp/transmetals/transmetals.rar a rar of the whole directory here], which includes full-res TGA's of my master screenshots (well, most of 'em. It's kinda a mish-mash.)
:Have at thee! You're free to use anything there! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:23, 26 January 2010 (EST)

== Question ==

I don't suppose you know if there's a way to reskin a particular page, and only that page? I'm trying to do that on another wiki. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:58, 15 February 2010 (EST)
:Every page on a wiki has a unique class associated witht he base <BODY> element based on its name. For the main page, this class is "page-Main_Page"
:So to hide the page title on the main page (which would otherwise supurfulously read "Main Page," and our analytics indicated were causing users to think they were not truly at the siteroot) we use the following css:
<pre>.page-Main_Page .firstHeading {
display:none;
}</pre>

I hope that's helpful! You cna find the class-identifier from a page by viewing the source or (easier IMO) using the Firebug extension. (But if you're not a developer, the Firebug extension may be confusing.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 15 February 2010 (EST)

:Sorry, but that makes no sense. You see, I'm trying to do something similar to what you were trying to do with [[Shattered Glass (franchise)]] at one point. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:48, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:: <tt>.page-Shattered_Glass_franchise</tt>.
::It's a css class that is assigned to the document root dynamically by the mediawiki software which reflects the name of the page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:52, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::Right.
:::Sorry, but I'm kinda stuck with the Monaco skin right now, and this stubbornly refuses to work. The closest I ever got was accidentally turning all the text on the target page white. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:37, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::Have you tried hitting it? Try hitting it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:51, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::::Assuming you're working with your personal styles page...
:::::Many default mediawiki styles are flagged with the "do not override" debug-code. This is terrible practice, but they did it, not us. Many others are id-prefixed (which gives them precedence.) This is '''good''' practice. Both are annoying.
:::::Try something like <tt>.page-Shattered_Glass_franchise #content h1.firstHeading</tt> (where .firstHeading is whatever class you're trying to affect. More specific rules has precedence, so adding the tag to the class may help too.) If it's still un-cooperative you can use the debug code in the rule. <tt>background-color:pink !important;</tt>.
:::::This, incidentally, is why I use Firebug; it shows you what rules are overriding what. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:43, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::::Actually, I'm working with the main .css file (One of the perks of being an <s>almighty god</s> admin.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:58, 16 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::By "main" I assume you mean common.css, not the skin base file. (IIRC the skin file requires FTP access to change.)
:::::::What are you trying to do? Maybe I can help. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:10, 16 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::I'm actually stuck with Wikia, so I'm working with MediaWiki:monaco.css.
::::::::Anyway, I'm (pretty much) running a wiki about a text-based RPG on a forum you have most likely never heard of before, and we just introduced a mirrorverse.
::::::::I'm trying to change the skin's colours (which are maroon-ish and grey, if that helps), to light blue and slightly darker gray, thus giving an "inverted colours" appearance" on that page and that page only. If it's possible to reverse the link colours too (blue links are red, red links are blue), that would be nice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:57, 17 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::shift-refresh to clear your cache if you're not seeing the colors.
<pre>.page-User_talk_Derik #content{
background-color:#cccccc !important;
}

.page-User_talk_Derik #content a.new{
color:#5A3696 !important;
}

.page-User_talk_Derik #content a{
color:#CC2200 !important;
}</pre>

:::::::::The basic principle involved should be clear enough. Let me know when you've seen this so I can remove it from TT1's master CSS file. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:28, 18 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::::I have it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:02, 19 February 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::And, quite annoyingly, it is still not working. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:25, 19 February 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Install the [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843 firebug plugin]. Use it to highlight the affected element. It will show you which CSS rules apply to that element, and which are overriding each other. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:27, 20 February 2010 (EST)

==GoBot Wiki spam==
FYI: Your user page and a couple of others on [http://gbwiki.covertutopia.com/wiki/Main_Page GoBots wiki] has been spammed. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:38, 15 February 2010 (EST)

== Your userpage ==

When did this wiki get horribly fused with the wiki where I actually ''am'' an admin and have access to the site css? :)

(No, really. Fix that when you get around to it.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:30, 20 February 2010 (EST)

== Bot Request ==

:We need to nuke all the sub-categories in Category:Functions named "foo specialist". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 12:46, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== common_tmp.css versus the css on emopanda ==

Hey! [[User:Derik/Common tmp.css]] and tfwiki_tmp_global.css on emopanda are both included in common.css at the moment. I would have simply removed one as mostly they're duplicates of each other, but it looks like you'd added stuff (e.g. the feed icons) to your emopanda copy which isn't in common_tmp.css. Should I move the new styling into common_tmp.css and remove the emopanda file from common.css? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 11 March 2010 (EST)

== emopanda malware warning. ==

I'm getting a malware warning off emopanda when I load the site in chrome (I had to remove the call to the css file on there from common.css). The warning I got linked to [http://safebrowsing.clients.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://emopanda.com/&client=googlechrome&hl=en-US this page] so you can check it out. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:38, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
:...odd. I wonder if my host got infected? I haven't touched a thing on the site. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:28, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== Request for info ==

Hey there, I'm Dr Ishmael, an admin at GuildWiki. We are currently in the planning stages of leaving Wikia, and you were mentioned as a good resource to contact for advice on the technical details of this process.

Specifically, it was mentioned that when TFwiki moved, you initially had a form of cross-site authentication in place so that Wikia users could re-register their usernames here with the same password. I was wondering if you could give me any specifics on how that was implemented (I've written similar code before in Perl, so I'm familiar with the idea), or even if you still had the code lying around that you could send me.

If you have any additional advice about this or any other aspect of moving a wiki, we would certainly appreciate the help. Feel free to [[Special:Emailuser/Dr ishmael|email me]] directly or [[Wikia:c:guildwars:User:Dr ishmael|contact me at GuildWiki]]. Thanks! [[User:Dr ishmael|Dr ishmael]] 13:35, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

: A friendly anon posted at GuildWiki to direct me to your LJ posts about the move. I think they cover everything I had questions about so far. However, Wikia is now using a fancy AJAX-based login page (Special:Signup) and I don't know if Special:UserLogin still functions or not (going to the URL just redirects to Special:Signup, but it might still accept POST requests). If I run into any problems adapting the code for the new login page, I may be back with more questions. [[User:Dr ishmael|Dr ishmael]] 15:28, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
::Good luck! It's kinda cool to see other people telling Wikia where they can shove it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:03, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

:::I'm a bureaucrat at the Might and Magic Wiki which is also in the process of telling Wikia where "it" belongs and moving elsewhere. Love the new interface here and its strong resemblance to Monaco: I wanted to ask whether it would be considered a violation of any laws/goodwill if we shamelessly copy it as a template (and if so, whether we could inquire about related technical help around here during the transfer)? Thanks! --[[User:Dubiel|Dubiel]] 18:15, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

=2011=

== Monaco-book skin ==

Hi! I am User:KrytenKoro at kingdomhearts.wikia.com, and we recently moved to khwiki.net . We are trying to install monaco, but our host said that wikia's version is too buggy to use, so we wanted to use tfwiki's monaco-book as an alternative. From what I can tell, you worked on that skin some, and I was hoping that you could help our host ([http://khwiki.net/User_talk:porplemontage here]) get that installed. If there's anything I can do to help, please don't hesitate to ask, and if I'm bugging the wrong person, I apologize. Thanks! [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:KrytenKoro KrytenKoro]14:23, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:You want to ask [[User:Rosicrucian]] about that.
:(I imagine we're fine with it-- we internally refer to our skin as "Monacobook" because it's a deliberate hybrid.) But Ros is the guy who did all the heavy lifting putting the skin together, so you'd want to ask him for guidance. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 10 February 2011 (EST)
::Our skin took kind of a weird path to get here. The stuff that went into it ''started'' as me futzing around with reskinning Monaco, then when it became obvious that too much of Monaco was tied into weird Wikia specific stuff, I shifted to reskinning Monobook. The thing to realize about coming up with mediawiki skins is that really all it takes is some basic knowledge of CSS and enough spare time to throw up a working file in your userspace and bang away at it until you get something you like. Really, I haven't ''radically'' changed anything in Monobook, and CSS files are pretty human-readable on purpose. I mean seriously, I think maybe the most "different" thing we did was applying patterns to the various header bars and finding a way to substitute graphics in the place of the sidebar header text. If you mean just straight-up "how to install skins in MediaWiki" there is actually [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Skins/From_Meta a very good tutorial] on that already in the MediaWiki documentation. As I don't think I did anything too special with our skin, I personally don't have much qualms if you appropriate the basic structure and make it your own. Just familiarize yourself with what a CSS file looks like, and bear in mind the stuff I did is going to point rather obviously to assets on this server, so your own reskinned version will of course have to substitute new graphics and their respective paths in.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:00, 10 February 2011 (EST)
:::Thanks![[Special:Contributions/12.53.10.226|12.53.10.226]] 18:49, 17 February 2011 (EST)
::::I feel kind of stupid for asking this, but where is your actual monacobook code?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 15:10, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://tfwiki.net//w2/skins/monacobook/tt1.css Here].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)

== Template:Disbox? ==

Hey, Derik, is Template:Disbox actually in use for anything? I'm trying to clean up Uncategorized Templates. [[User:JW|JW]] 09:55, 13 February 2011 (EST)
:It's a legacy of a proposed change to how the disambig pages were done.
:Feel free to trash it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:28, 13 February 2011 (EST)

==Camera==
Love you Derik. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 19:37, 19 July 2011 (EDT)

== Robot Masters online comic ==

Would you happen to have the last three chapters of it? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:01, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:I don't know how the chapters break... I have 26 pages, does that help?
:[http://www.megaupload.com/?d=R05AMS85 Here's everything I have from Robotmasters.]
:(I think I'm gonna limit myself to talk pages for awhile.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:32, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
::26 should be the right number (two pages per chapter). Thank you! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:04, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

Anti-sound

2011-07-15T00:38:50Z

63.203.180.99:

:''Anti-sound is technology from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
'''Anti-sound''' is a sound wave used to cancel or nullify other sounds.
[[Image:Cminor soundwave white noise.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
The [[Eurythman|citizens]] of [[Eurythma]] used anti-sound to cancel out the [[Harmony|destructive melody]] stolen from them by [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]. {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}}

==Notes==
* In the real world, anti-sound devices (called active noise control speakers) are used in areas where undesirable sounds originate (such as traffic). The concept was introduced in [[Arthur C. Clarke|Arthur C. Clarke's]] 1957 short story "Silence Please". Clarke intended it as a humorously improbable device — with dire consequences for the inventor.

==External links==
* [[Wikipedia:Active noise control|Active noise control at Wikipedia]]

[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]

Frankenstein's assistant

2011-07-14T23:44:39Z

63.203.180.99: /* Notes */

{{noname-designation}}
[[Image:G1e17-igor.jpg|thumb|250px|Yeth, marthter!]]
:''Frankenstein's assistant is a character in a movie from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

'''Frankenstein's assistant''' is a fictional hunchback who works as a laboratory assistant in a castle and snorts a lot.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Bell]] (English)

[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], his mind temporarily in the shell of the jury-rigged [[Autobot X]], watched a movie via a television signal routed through [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]]. The movie featured the mad Dr. [[Frankenstein]] trying to create life from dead tissue in defiance of the sage advice from his lab assistant, whom he clearly held in contempt. Upon the creature's animation and subsequent fit of rage, Frankenstein's assistant indicated to the doctor that his own earlier warnings had been appropriate and the results of the experiment were unsatisfactory. {{storylink|Autobot Spike}}

==Notes==
* This character is based on the hunchbacked lab assistant played by [[wikipedia: Dwight Frye|Dwight Frye]] in the [[wikipedia:Frankenstein (1931 film)|1931 version of ''Frankenstein'']], whose name was Fritz. Later versions of the same character archetype would be popularly named "Igor". In fact, we'd be willing to lay odds that the only reason he ''wasn't'' called Igor in the script to "Autobot Spike" is because [[Donald F. Glut|Don Glut]] is pretty dang savvy about this sort of thing, having written a huge number of novels and non-fiction books about Frankenstein.
* [[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]] would go on to feature a malformed Decepticon named [[Igor]].

==External link==
*[[wikipedia:Igor (fictional character)|Igors in general]] at Wikipedia

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Batman

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'''Batman''' wears a winged suit which he can use to cover himself, and he talks in a low, whispering voice. Apparently, he is best known for saying "I'm Batman."

==Fiction==
===Titan Magazine letters page===
[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] is a Batman fan because of the amount of weapons in his car. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.2}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' novel===
[[Zimmerman]], while preparing to wing suit into [[Chicago]], wrapped his suit's stretched cloth around himself, pretending to be Batman. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (novel)|Dark of the Moon}}

==Notes==
* We cannot canonically support any notion that Batman might have something to do with [[Superman]] or the [[Joker]]. To suggest such a link would be [[personal canon|irresponsible]] of us.
* [[Sam Witwicky]] remarks that shining a spotlight of a truck on a cloud would be an impractical method for contacting [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] in the [[Dark of the Moon (novel)|Dark of the Moon novel]].
* The color scheme and double life of [[Ratbat (SG)|Shattered Glass Ratbat]] is based on Batman. His secret identity color scheme, likewise, is based on Bruce Wayne's brown and mustard outfit from ''Batman: The Animated Series''.
* [[Searchlight (Animated)|''Animated'' Searchlight]]'s personality is based on Batman, specifically [[Frank Miller]]'s extreme grim-n-gritty take on the character.

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:Batman|Batman]] at Wikipedia

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Greg Sepelak

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[[Image:GregSepelak.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Nobody can withstand his death-ray eyes!]]
'''Greg "[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]" Sepelak''' is long-time fan and current artist and writer for various [[Transformers brand|Transformers]] ventures, primarily for [[Fun Publications]]. So far, he has not beaten anyone to death with a crowbar.

That we know of.

He tends to partner with [[Trent Troop]] on virtually everything he does for Fun Publications, and vice-versa.

==Writer==
* All [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[Micro-Sized]] Mini-Con Profiles bios, print and online
* [[Buzzbomb]] and [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirge]] online bios
* [[BradyGames]] strategy guide for ''[[Transformers The Game]]'' (with [[Thomas Hindmarch]] for the [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Nintendo DS games]] walkthrough)
* "[[The New World]]" [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] online-exclusive illustrated text story, with [[Trent Troop]]
* "[[Wreckers: Finale Part II]]" online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Gone Too Far]]" 1-page comic preview and online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Shattered Expectations]]" 3-page comic with Trent Troop
* "[[Force of Habit]]" online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass]]" dialogue punchup with Trent Troop (sensing a pattern?)
* "[[Bee in the City]]" [[BotCon 2008]] live script reading, with Trent Troop
* "[[Withered Hope]]" 1-page comic preview and online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[I, Lowtech]]" 1-page comic preview and online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Dungeons & Dinobots]]" online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Do Over]]" online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[The Desert Heat!]]" 2-page online comic, with Trent Troop
* "[[Eye in the Sky]]" online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Blitzwing Bop]]" online-exclusive illustrated text story, with Trent Troop
* "[[Generation 2: Redux]]" [[BotCon 2010]] comic with Trent Troop
* "[[Moving Violations]]" Precursor to the [[BotCon 2011]] comic with Trent Troop

==Artist==
===Micro-Sized Mini-Con Profiles (Fan Club magazine)===
{{collist|3|
*[[Dirt Rocket]]
*[[Grindor (Classics)]]
*[[Heavy Load (Cybertron)|Heavy Load]]
*[[Longarm (Cybertron)]]
*[[Nightcruz (Energon)|Nightcruz]]
*[[Oil Slick (Classics)|Oil Slick]]
*[[Deepdive]] colors
*[[Nightscream (Energon)]] colors}}

===Micro-Sized Mini-Con Profiles On-Line!===
{{collist|3|
*[[Aftershock (Armada)|Aftershock]]
*[[Astro-Hook]]
*[[Astro-Line]]
*[[Astro-Sinker]]
*[[Barnstorm]]
*[[Flashbang]]
*[[Hydroplane]]
*[[Jackknife]]
*[[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]]
*[[Maverick]]
*[[Road Rebel]] (shading by T.Troop)
*[[Rockslide]]
*[[Solar Flare]]
*[[Skull Buster]]
*[[Starcatcher]]
*[[Vorpal Saber]]
*[[Breakage]] colors
*[[Heavy Metal (Energon)|Heavy Metal]] colors
*[[Kickback (Armada)|Kickback]] colors
*[[Kickflip]] colors
*[[Mudbath]] colors}}

===[[BotCon 2007]] card art===
{{collist|3|
* [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bugbite]] pencils & inks
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] pencils & inks
* [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] pencils & inks
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] pencils & inks
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] pencils & inks
* [[Weirdwolf]] pencils & inks}}

:(Colors for the cards were done by [[Chris Appel]].)

===[[BotCon 2008]] card art===
{{collist|3|
* [[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]] pencils & inks
* [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] pencils & inks
* [[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]] pencils & inks
* [[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]] pencils & inks
* [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] pencils & inks
* [[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]] pencils & inks
* [[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]] pencils & inks
* [[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]] pencils & inks}}

:(Colors for the cards were done by [[Josh Perez]].)

===[[BotCon 2009]] card art===
* [[Leozack]] pencils, inks & colors

===Other===
* [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]] bio card art (w/ effects by Trent Troop)
* "[[The New World]]": Penciling and inking for "[[Games of Deception]]" Diamond edition illustrations (colors by [[David Willis]]), pencils/inks/colors for online story illustrations.
* "[[Shattered Expectations]]" pencils & inks (w/ colors by Trent Troop)
* [[Cop-Tur (Timelines)|Cop-Tur]] bio art

==Notes==
* Except for a hiatus in 2002, Greg Sepelak has spear-headed the [[MSTF]] comedy event at official Transformers conventions, both [[BotCon]] and [[The Official Transformers Collectors Convention|OTFCC]], totaling eleven years overall.
* Enjoys [["Weird Al" Yankovic]], long walks on the beach, your mom.
* He is not Xiphos.

==External links==
*[http://msipher.deviantart.com/ Greg Sepelak's DeviantArt page]
*[http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/simak/109/ King Weasel Productions, long-neglected official site]

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IDW Publishing

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[[Image:Idw_logo.png|right|75px|Idw logo.png]]
'''Idea and Design Works, LLC''' currently owns the [[Transformers brand|Transformers]] [[Comics|comic book]] license as of May [[2005]], following the financial collapse of the previous license holder, [[Dreamwave Productions]], at the tail-end of 2004.

IDW's flagship storyline is a [[IDW timeline|rebooted Generation 1 continuity]], which started out being written by longtime Transformers scribe [[Simon Furman]] and told through a succession of mini-series and one-shot [[Spotlight (comics)|''Spotlight''s]], before finally producing a monthly comic in [[2009]]. IDW has also been authorized to re-release trade paperbacks published by [[Dreamwave Productions]], such as the ''[[War and Peace]]'' mini-series and ''[[The War Within]]'' and ''[[War Within: The Dark Ages|The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''. In May 2008, IDW's relationship with [[Hasbro]] proved to be quite healthy indeed as they snapped up the ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' comic book license as well.

IDW mocks your nerdy belief that writers and editors should be able to remember things that happened in previous issues.

==Series published==
=== G1 rebooted ===
Initial ideas for IDW's Transformer line included a ''Crisis on Infinite Earths''-style story crossing over with the new [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline]], starting ongoings in both G1 and ''Cybertron'' continuity. The G1 cast would suffer Cybertron's destruction and learn [[Unicron]]'s death had destabilized the entire [[omniverse]], forcing them to try and assemble an artifact called the 'Decepticon Matrix' in order to ''resurrect'' Unicron. This would parallel with the ''Cybertron'' plot, in which the Autobots seek out the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s to revive [[Primus]], and [[Vector Prime]] would have appeared as a guide in both series. It seems that series would then have come together with the concurrent ''Cybertron'' comic as Transformers from across the [[multiverse]] were brought together for a final, epic clash.<ref>Pitch printed in ''[[The Best of Simon Furman]]''</ref>

This was considered too confusing for new readers, however, and dropped for a [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|continuity reboot of ''Generation 1'']]. Furman mostly oversaw this, creating a more sophisticated universe around the familiar characters and tropes: Marvel Comics' ''Ultimate'' line was the inspiration, and Furman deliberately borrowed the more leisurely pacing of Ultimate Marvel. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSyBtqe67uk Moonbase 2m AA2010 interview]</ref>

Instead of an ongoing civil war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] which spills over to [[Earth]] by accident, Furman presented us with an interstellar war between the [[Autobot|Autobots]] and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]], a war of Codes of Interplanetary Conflict and alt-form-and-dagger covert operations, with [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] the prize and whole planets at stake. A surprising development on Earth heats up the war and turns our planet from just another proxy battleground into the ultimate prize.

This slow, measured storyline was eventually abandoned in an attempt to bring in more casual fans with a more G1 Cartoon-inspired revamp in ''All Hail Megatron''. This failed to have the desired effect both in terms of sales and fan-response, so ''another'' revamp was attempted with the start of ''The Transformers'' ongoing series. It has met with sharp fan criticism as well. ''(sigh)''

The general order of publications to date is as follows:

* ''[[Infiltration]]'' ([[2005]]–06) Establishes the presence of the Transformers on modern-day Earth and re-establishes the theme of "robots in disguise" as central to the new continuity; a seven-issue story arc (issues #0 to #6).
* ''[[Spotlight (comics)|Spotlight]]'' ([[2006]]–present) Series of one-shot stories focusing on a single Transformer per issue; this series has no fixed publication format and is ongoing. It went on hiatus after "[[Spotlight: Metroplex]]" while the new ongoing series was getting established, but has since returned, although at a greatly reduced pace.
* ''[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]'' (2006) A four-issue miniseries tie-in to ''Infiltration'', establishing Cybertron's current situation in the re-boot and focusing squarely on the Transformers.
* ''[[Escalation (IDW)|Escalation]]'' (2006–07) Sequel to ''Infiltration''; a six-issue story arc detailing a conflict with the Decepticons in [[Brasnya]] and the abduction of [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Hunter O'Nion]].
* ''[[New Avengers / Transformers|New Avengers/Transformers]]'' ([[2007]]) A collaboration between [[Marvel Comics]] and IDW featuring the first ever crossover between the Transformers and New [[Avengers]]. Though it has minimal effects on the overall universe, it was specifically designed to fit into continuity between ''Infiltration'' and ''Escalation''.
* ''[[Megatron Origin]]'' (2007) A four-issue story arc detailing the events surrounding [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s rise to power and the founding of the Decepticon faction.
* ''[[Devastation (IDW)|Devastation]]'' (2007–08) Sequel to ''Escalation''; a six-issue story arc following up on what happened to Sunstreaker, as well as the Decepticons' battle with the [[Reaper]]s and seeds are planted for the upcoming [[Dead Universe]] arc.
* ''[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]'' ([[2008]]) Sequel to ''Devastation''; composed of 4 ''Spotlight''s; [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], [[Doubledealer]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]]. This series wraps up the events of the Dead Universe.
{{note|The sequel to ''Revelation'' at one point was to be titled '''Expansion''', but it was canceled in favor of ''All Hail Megatron''. However, Furman stated that some of the ideas from the series may pop up in other series.}}
* ''[[All Hail Megatron]]'' (2008–[[2009]]) A twelve-issue maxi-series, extended to sixteen to include the ''All Hail Megatron Coda'' series. It chronicles the aftermath of the defeat of the Autobots and the Decepticon conquest of Earth. The publication schedule overlaps with ''Revelation'' and ''Maximum Dinobots''. Issues 13–16 each consist of two 11-page stories that help strengthen the flaws in ''All Hail Megatron'' and tie into the ongoing series.
* ''[[Maximum Dinobots]]'' (2008–2009) A five-issue which takes place chronologically between ''Revelation'' and ''All Hail Megatron'' (which it was published concurrently with). The series wraps up Furman's story arcs with the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]], Sunstreaker, the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], [[Skywatch]] and the [[Machination]].
* ''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' (2009–present) An ongoing series which began in November 2009 [http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/guide.php?s=ongoing]. The series is penned by [[Mike Costa]] with art on the first arc by [[Don Figueroa]]. Different artists have contributed as well.
* ''[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]]'' (2009–[[2010]]) A four-issue miniseries chronicling Bumblebee's journey on Earth after the events of ''All Hail Megatron'', focusing on the conflicts and decisions 'Bee makes (sort of like a ''Spotlight''). It began in December 2009, written by [[Zander Cannon]] with art by [[Chee Yang Ong]] (the team that worked on the second story of [[All Hail Megatron issue 16|''All Hail Megatron'' #16]]).
* ''[[Last Stand of the Wreckers]]'' (2010) A five-issue miniseries which began in January 2010, written by [[Nick Roche]] and [[James Roberts]] and drawn by Roche with colors by [[Josh Burcham]]. It chronicles the antics of the [[Wrecker]]s in deep space after ''AHM''.
* ''[[The Transformers: Ironhide]]'' (2010) A four-issue miniseries covering Ironhide, with story by Mike Costa and art by [[Casey Coller]]. It was published from May through August, 2010.
* ''[[The Transformers: Drift]]'' (2010) A four-issue miniseries that chronicles [[Drift (G1)|Drift]]'s origins as the Decepticon Deadlock to becoming an Autobot. It's written by Shane McCarthy, with art by Alex Milne and colors by Josh Perez. It was released bi-weekly in September, 2010.
* ''[[Infestation (IDW)|The Transformers: Infestation]]'' (2011) A two-issue story set within the larger ''Infestation'', a cross-over in which zombies invade multiple IDW properties. In addition to ''Transformers'', ''[[Star Trek]]'', ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' and ''Ghostbusters'' are all invaded by the cross-dimensional zombies. The Transformers segment involves the Autobots teaming up with Galvatron's crew to stop the menace. It is written by [[Dan Abnett]] and [[Andy Lanning]], with art by Nick Roche and colors by Joana Lafuente sh Perez. The entire series is released weekly over 10 weeks, starting in February, 2011.
* ''[[The Transformers: Heart of Darkness]]'' (2011) A four-issue miniseries featuring Galvatron and crew, following the events in ''Infestation''. It's written by Abnett and Lanning, with art by [[Ulises Farinas]]. To be released March thru June, 2011.

====See also====
* [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
* [[IDW timeline]]

===''Beast Wars''===
Taking place within the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon universe, this line eschews the previous [[3H Productions]] fan club comics that previously continued the show's story to strike out in a new direction, focusing mainly on the non-show toy characters.

* ''[[The Gathering|Beast Wars: The Gathering]]'' (2006) A four-issue mini-series marking the 10th anniversary of the ''Beast Wars'' franchise.
* ''[[The Ascending|Beast Wars: The Ascending]]'' (2007–08) A four-issue sequel to ''The Gathering'' that began publication in October 2007.
* The ''[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' (2007) profile series of the Beast Era.
====See also====
* [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)]]

===''Evolutions''===
Intended to be a series of [[wikipedia:Elseworlds|Elseworlds]]-like stories that exist in their own separate continuities, each taking different takes on Transformers. Only one has so-far been produced. (Reportedly, Hasbro has asked IDW to hold back on ''Evolutions'' as to not confuse customers looking for merchandise based on the 2007 film.){{fact}} [[Chris Ryall]] stated that with the Movie and ''Animated'' series, it is unlikely we will see any more of these series.<ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=3845&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30 Post by Chris Ryall at IDW's forums]</ref>

* ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' (2006) Places the G1 Transformers in the American West during the Industrial Revolution.

===Live-action film series===
* ''[[Movie Prequel|Transformers: Movie Prequel]]'' (2007) A four-part series detailing the lead-up to the [[Transformers (2007)|2007 ''Transformers'' movie]].
* "[[Planetfall (Movie)|Planetfall]]" and "[[Interlude]]" (2007) [[Target]] [[exclusive]] prequel comics for the 2007 film.
* ''[[Movie Adaptation|Transformers: Movie Adaptation]]'' (2007) A four-part comic adaptation of the film, released weekly in June 2007.
* ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]'' (2008) IDW's official sequel to the 2007 film, continuing where the ''Movie Adaptation'' left off. It began in May 2008.
* ''[[Saga of the Allspark]]'' (2008) Reprinting the [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|UK Movie comics]] from Titan Magazine.
* ''[[Destiny|Transformers: Destiny]]'' (2008–2009) The 2-miniseries prequel to ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''.
** ''[[Alliance (comic)|Transformers: Alliance]]'' (2008-2009) A 4-issue prequel to ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''.
** ''[[Defiance|Transformers: Defiance]]'' (2008–2009) A 4-issue prequel to ''Revenge of the Fallen''.
* ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]'' (2009) A four-part comic adaptation of the film, released weekly in May and June 2009.
* ''[[Tales of the Fallen]]'' (2009–2010) A series of spotlights for six ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' characters.
* ''[[Nefarious|Transformers: Nefarious]]'' (2010) A 6-issue sequel to ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.
* ''[[Transformers: Sector 7]]'' (2010-2011) A 5-issue series telling the history of Sector 7. The first prequel to ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''
* ''[[Foundation|Transformers: Foundation]]'' (2011) A 4-issue series telling the history of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] on Cybertron. Second prequel to ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon''.
* ''[[Rising Storm|Transformers: Rising Storm]]'' (2011) A 4-issue series. Third prequel to ''Transformers: Dark of the Moon''.
* ''[[Dark of the Moon (comic series)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'' (2011) A four-part comic adaptation of the film that will be released in July 2011.

===''Transformers Animated''===
* ''[[Transformers Animated (IDW Publishing)|Transformers Animated]]'' (2008) — An ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]'' cartoon adaptation series with screenshots from the series.
* ''[[The Arrival|Transformers Animated: The Arrival]]'' (2008) — A six-issue mini-series set in the same continuity as the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]'' cartoon.
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]'' (2009) — Covers ''The Arrival'' and seasons 1 and 2 of the cartoon.
* ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' (2010) — Covers season 3 of the cartoon and other information.

===Reprint series===
* ''[[Generations (comic reprints)|Generations]]'' — Reprints old [[Marvel Comics]] issues, specifically ones that did not feature Marvel-owned characters such as [[Circuit Breaker]].
* ''[[Target: 2006|Target 2006]]'' (2007)
* ''[[Transformers: Magazine]] (2007)'' — Reprints three comics per issue from the Marvel, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]], and IDW runs.
* ''[[Best of UK: Dinobots]]'' (2007)
* ''[[Best of UK: Space Pirates]]'' (2008)
* ''[[Best of UK: Time Wars]]'' (2008)
* ''[[Classic Transformers]]'' (2008) — Collects old [[Marvel Comics]] issues in trade paperback format, starting with [[The Transformers (issue)|Transformers #1]] and summarizing those featuring Marvel-owned characters such as [[Spider-Man]] and [[Circuit Breaker]] (until Volume 5, by which point the Marvel-owned characters are allowed).
* ''[[Best of UK: City of Fear]]'' (2009)
* ''[[Best of UK: Prey]]'' (2009)

===Others===
* ''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' (2006) A four-issue adaptation of the original ''Transformers'' film, 1986's ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''; marks the film's 20th anniversary and new DVD release.
* ''[[The Best of Simon Furman]]'' (2007)
* ''[[The Best of Don Figueroa]]'' (2007)
* ''[[The Art of IDW's Transformers]]'' (2007)
* ''[[Premiere Collection#Volume 1|The Transformers: The Premiere Collection, Volume 1]]'' (2007)
* ''[[Greatest Battles of Optimus Prime and Megatron]]'' (2007)
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark]]'' (2007) — A Complete Compendium Of Transformers Animation Models
* ''[[Balancing Act]]'' (2007)
* ''[[Transformers: The Ark II]]'' (2008) — A Compendium of Japanese Character Designs
* ''[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]]'' (2009)
* ''[[Robot Heroes (comic)|Robot Heroes]]'' (2009) — A comic based around the [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] toyline.
* ''[[Premiere Collection#Volume 2|The Transformers: The Premiere Collection, Volume 2]]'' (2009)
* ''[[Transformers: The Complete Ark]]'' (2009) — Combines the first and second volumes.
* ''[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]]'' (2009) — A book theoretically chronicling the history of the Transformers Universe.
* ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'' — A partial adaptation of the novel ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]''.
* ''[[Transformers: Prime (comic)|Transformers: Prime]]'' (2010) — Prequel to the television series.
* ''[[Best of Optimus Prime]]'' (2010)
* ''[[Best of Megatron]]'' (2010)
* ''[[Best of Grimlock]]'' (2010)
* ''[[Best of Starscream]]'' (2010)
* ''[[The IDW Collection Volume 1]]'' (2010)
* ''[[The IDW Collection Volume 2]]'' (2010)
* ''[[The IDW Collection Volume 3]]'' (2011)
* ''[[The IDW Collection Volume 4]]'' (2011)

==Editorial policies==
[[Image:IDWBumblebeeDesignvsStyle.jpg|thumb|250px|right|One of these changes is an in-story plot point. The rest is artistic license. Can you tell which is which?]]
IDW has a somewhat unconventional editorial policy, at least as far as their ''Transformers'' titles are concerned: Whereas other companies such as [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] or DC often tend to dictate writers their stories, IDW takes the opposite approach and gives its writers pretty much free rein, regardless of whether it contradicts previous stories or even makes little sense by itself. What's worse, whereas [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] had enforced a rigid "house style", IDW actively encourages artists to use their own style... which appears to extend to Transformers characters' ''designs'' and even ''[[alternate mode]]s''.
*Regarding ''[[All Hail Megatron]]'', [[Simon Furman]], who had been the head writer of the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] up to that point, confirmed that that there had been no collaboration or communication between himself and ''All Hail Megatron'' writer [[Shane McCarthy]], and it was up to then IDW editor [[Denton J. Tipton]] to sort out the continuity.<ref name="furmanahm">[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032 Simon Furman November Q&A]</ref> The results were questionable, and AHM later required a four-issue "Coda" intended to sort out apparent inconsistencies and answer open questions.
*Editor [[Andy Schmidt]] wrote ''[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology|Continuum]]'', the self-declared "Definitive Chronology" of the IDW Generation 1 continuity up to that point, which was chock-full of inaccuracies, blatant omissions and even ''chronological errors within the issue itself''. Schmidt revealed in an interview<ref name="tformersint">[http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=12679 TFormers interview with Andy Schmidt]</ref> that all of these changes were ''intentional'', in order to ''simplify'' things, because he had hoped to attract new, younger readers he didn't want to "confuse" or confront with concepts unfamiliar to them. To his credit, Schmidt formally admitted to the poor quality of ''Continuum'' five months after it had been released.<ref name="schmidtapologizes">[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=175715& Continuum "apology"]</ref>
*As of ''[[All Hail Megatron]]'', recurring characters in the Generation 1 stories started getting redesigned. Depending on which artist was on a comic, several characters repeatedly alternated between Cybertronian alternate modes, [[E. J. Su|E. J. Su's]] modernized robot mode designs, entirely new designs, and almost slavish rehashes of the ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1]]'' [[character model|animation models]]. At the IDW forums, artist [[Guido Guidi]] stated that, regarding his work on the [[The Transformers (IDW)|ongoing series]] that followed AHM, he had been ''specifically'' asked to ''ignore the designs Don Figueroa had used in previous issues'' and "do [his] own thing", which resulted in him having to re-draw almost half of issue 9 from scratch.<ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=192461#192461 Guido post in which he says that IDW asked him to not bother with Dons designs, and to redraw half of the issue he already made using his own preference in design.]</ref>
*Artist [[Alex Milne]] deliberately drew two background [[generic]]s that were killed as cannon fodder in ''[[The Transformers: Drift|Drift]]'' [[Drift issue 2|issue 2]] to resemble established characters from other [[franchise]]s. He ''specifically'' elaborated on this, stating that he had included them at the suggestion of a friend because they were two of the favorite characters of [[David Willis]], an outspoken critic of Milne's art.<ref name="milnewillis">[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=8525&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=288 Post by Alex Milne on IDW's forum]</ref> In response to this, then editor Denton J. Tipton stated that Milne had no control over which characters live or die, and that these were just generics and this was only an issue because of the "fascination with '[[canon]].'"<ref name="dentonmilne">[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=205076#205076 Post by Denton Tipton on IDW's forum]</ref>

==External links==
*[http://www.idwpublishing.com/ IDW Publishing]
*[http://www.tfarchive.com/comics/idw/guide.php?s=ongoing TF Archive's guide to the Ongoing ''Transformers'' comic]

==Footnotes==
<references />
[[Category:Comics]]
[[Category:Companies]]
[[Category:IDW| ]]

Leonard Nimoy

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[[Image:LeonardNimoy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Bilbo! ''Bilbo!'' Bilbo Baggins - bravest little hobbit of them all!]]
'''Leonard Nimoy''' (born [[March 26]], [[1931]]) is an American actor and director. He provided the voice of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

Oh, and apparently he also played [[Spock|an alien]] on [[Star Trek|some old sci-fi show]], alongside fellow ''Transformers'' voice actor [[George Takei]].

==Roles==
===''The Transformers: The Movie''===
*[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon''===
*[[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]

==Notes==
*Nimoy is married to Susan Bay who is first cousin to director [[Michael Bay]], and apparently it was due to their considerable donations to [[Griffith Observatory]] that Michael was allowed to film parts of ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]'' there.<ref>According to Michael Bay on the ''Transformers'' DVD commentary.</ref>
*Nimoy guest-starred in several episodes of ''Fringe'', which was created, executive-produced and written by [[Alex Kurtzman]] and [[Roberto Orci]].
*According to Orci, he was at one point considered for the role of [[The Fallen]] in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''.<ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showpost.php?p=1335851&postcount=1 Roberto Orci - Leonard Nimoy, Frank Welker in the running for the role of voicing...] post on the Don Murphy Message Board</ref> Nimoy himself was waiting to be in ''Transformers'' once more since his role in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the '86 movie]]. This is what happens when you don't ask the people you're hiring if they actually ''want'' to be in the movie.
*That alien he played (over a span of 45 years)? It was the inspiration for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]].<ref>[http://rustingcarcass.yuku.com/topic/954/t/Bob-Budiansky.html Rusting Carcass interview] with [[Bob Budiansky]]</ref>
*On March 31, 2011, Entertainment Weekly's website announced that Mr. Nimoy will be the voice for Sentinel Prime in ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]''! <ref>[http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/03/31/leonard-nimoy-transformers-dark-of-the-moon Entertainment Weekly announces Leonard Nimoy's Involvement]</ref>

==References==
<references />

==External Links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000559/ Leonard Nimoy at the Internet Movie Database]
*[http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Leonard_Nimoy Leonard Nimoy at Memory Alpha, the Star Trek Wiki]

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Star Trek

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:''Star Trek is a television program from the [[Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

'''''Star Trek''''' is a [[human]] [[television]] series, enjoyed by [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]].

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
While rolling around [[Sam Witwicky|Sam's]] apartment, Wheelie was mildly interested to see an episode of ''Star Trek'' playing on television. At least, he was until he realized that he'd already seen the episode. It was the one where [[Spock]] goes nuts. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' novelization===
When Wheelie realized that he had already seen the particular episode playing, he suggested a plotline he'd like to see: the ''[[Enterprise]]'' revealed as a Decepticon, with the nacelles becoming cannons. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (novel)}}

==Notes==
* ''Star Trek'' is a classic Science Fiction franchise, spanning more than four decades and featuring numerous television shows and movies.
** Several well-known actors from ''Star Trek'' have played prominent roles in Transformers, including [[Leonard Nimoy]], [[George Takei]], and [[Jeffrey Combs]]

==External links==
* The official [http://www.startrek.com/ ''Star Trek'' website]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek ''Star Trek'' on Wikipedia]

[[Category:Generation 1]]
[[Category:Television programs]]

Star Trek

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:''Star Trek is a television program from the [[Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

'''''Star Trek''''' is a [[human]] [[television]] series, enjoyed by [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]].

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
While rolling around [[Sam Witwicky|Sam's]] apartment, Wheelie was mildly interested to see an episode of ''Star Trek'' playing on television. At least, he was until he realized that he'd already seen the episode. It was the one where [[Spock]] goes nuts. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' novelization===
When Wheelie realized that he had already seen the particular episode playing, he suggested a plotline he'd like to see: the ''[[Enterprise]]'' revealed as a Decepticon, with the nacelles becoming cannons. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (novel)}}

==Notes==
* ''Star Trek'' is a classic Science Fiction franchise, spanning more than four decades and featuring numerous television shows and movies.
** Several well-known actors from ''Star Trek'' have played prominent roles in Transformers, including [[Leonard Nimoy]], [[George Takei]], and [[Jeffrey Combs]]
* A clip from

==External links==
* The official [http://www.startrek.com/ ''Star Trek'' website]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek ''Star Trek'' on Wikipedia]

[[Category:Generation 1]]
[[Category:Television programs]]

Star Trek

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:''Star Trek is a television program from the [[Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

'''''Star Trek''''' is a [[human]] [[television]] series, enjoyed by [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]].

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
While rolling around [[Sam Witwicky|Sam's]] apartment, Wheelie was mildly interested to see an episode of ''Star Trek'' playing on television. At least, he was until he realized that he'd already seen the episode. It was the one where [[Spock]] goes nuts. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' novelization===
When Wheelie realized that he had already seen the particular episode playing, he suggested a plotline he'd like to see: the ''[[Enterprise]]'' revealed as a Decepticon, with the nacelles becoming cannons. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (novel)}}

==Notes==
* ''Star Trek'' is a classic Science Fiction franchise, spanning more than four decades and featuring numerous television shows and movies.
** Several well-known actors from ''Star Trek'' have played prominent roles in Transformers, including [[Leonard Nimoy]], [[George Takei]], and [[Jeffrey Combs]]
* A clip from

==External links==
* The official [http://www.startrek.com/ ''Star Trek'' website]]
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek ''Star Trek'' on Wikipedia]]

[[Category:Generation 1]]
[[Category:Television programs]]

Spock

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{{disambig2|the guy who is definitely Spock|the actor who may<ref>''[http://www.amazon.com/I-Am-Spock-Leonard-Nimoy/dp/0786861827/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1310053685&sr=8-3 I Am Spock]''</ref> or may not<ref>''[http://www.amazon.com/Am-Not-Spock-Leonard-Nimoy/dp/1568496915/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1310053685&sr=8-1 I Am Not Spock]''</ref> also be Spock|Leonard Nimoy}}
{{mainpic}}

'''Spock''' is a character from a television series called [[Star Trek]]. One episode involves his failing mental health.

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] identified a program he was watching as "the one where Spock goes nuts". {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}

==Notes==
* [[Leonard Nimoy]] portrayed Spock on ''Star Trek''.
* Wheelie's line is the first of three references to Spock in ''Dark of the Moon'', referencing Nimoy's presence among the cast as the voice of [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]. The second is Sentinel's own line, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Finally, Bumblebee plays a voice clip of Spock saying "I will always be your friend", from ''Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan''.
*Spock was involved in the crossover event, ''[[Infestation (IDW)|Infestation]]''. As he did not interact with the ''Transformers'' universe in that event, his actions are not detailed here.
*Spock's logical character was the inspiration for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]].<ref>[http://rustingcarcass.yuku.com/topic/954/t/Bob-Budiansky.html Rusting Carcass interview] with [[Bob Budiansky]]</ref>

==References==
<references />

==External links==
* [[Wikipedia:Spock|Spock]] at Wikipedia

[[Category:Aliens]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon characters]]
[[Category:Earth culture]]
[[Category:External properties]]

Simmons (disambiguation)

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The name '''Simmons''' refers to several different ''Transformers'' characters.

*'''2004''' — [[Captain Simmons]], the British military officer from "[[Two for the Price of One]]".

*'''2006''' — [[Lindy Simmons]], the television reporter from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] continuity.

*'''2007''' — [[Walter Simmons]], the head of [[Sector Seven]] from the [[Movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]].

*'''2007''' — [[Seymour Simmons]], the government agent and sandwich maker from the [[Movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]].

*'''2007''' — [[Reggie Simmons]], Seymour's counterpart in the [[Sector Seven (game)|Sector Seven ARG]].

*'''2009''' — [[William Simmons]], alternatively known as '''Felix Simmons''', Walter Simmons's grandson.

*'''2009''' — [[Anne Fischer|Anne Simmons]], formerly known as '''Anne Fischer''' and alternatively known as '''Tova Simmons''', wife of Felix and mother of Seymour.

*'''2010''' — [[Margaret Simmons]], daughter of Walter Simmons. Mother of William Simmons.

*'''2010''' — [[Clara Simmons]], wife of Walter Simmons. Mother of Margaret Simmons.

{{disambig}}

Universal stream

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{{disambig3|Universal}}
The Transformers [[multiverse]] consists of at least 15,962,782 cataloged '''universal streams''' (1,176,325 of which have "come to termination"), according to the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]] Cybertronians' exhaustive records.<ref>This information, and most of the bulk of the article, comes from the text story "[[Withered Hope]]".</ref> There are at least 59,927,225 realities that the TransTech Cybertronians have yet to catalog.<ref>In "[[Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4|Worlds Collide, Part 4]]", the Autobots scanned 75,890,007 realities in addition to their own before locating [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], adrift in the multiverse.</ref> [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]] claims that there are fifteen quadrillion concurrent realities.<ref>"[[Games of Deception]]"</ref>

==Deciphering the terminology==
Each universal stream's name consists of three parts, beginning with a noun which refers to the continuity family of origin, a number that indicates the "real world" date of creation, and a Greek letter that denotes the form of media. For example, "Primax 984.0 Gamma" refers to the Generation 1 Marvel Comics continuity, with "Primax" referring to the Generation 1 continuity family, "984.0" indicating a publication date of September 1984 (with "0" indicating an unknown day of publication), and "Gamma" denoting a comic book series.

List of known continuity family indicators:

* '''Aurex'''—the [[Unicron Trilogy]] continuity family.<ref>Mentioned in "[[I, Lowtech]]" as the origin cluster of the [[Omnicon]]s.</ref>
* '''Gargent'''—the [[Tonka GoBots]] continuity family.<ref name="almanacII"/>
* '''Malgus'''—the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' continuity family.<ref>Mentioned in "[[Withered Hope]]", but confirmed as ''Animated'' in "[[Bee in the City]]" and ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''.</ref>
* '''Nexus'''—the cluster where the ''[[TransTech]]'' world of [[Axiom Nexus]] resides.<ref name="almanacII"/>
* '''Primax'''—the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] continuity family.
* '''Quadwal'''—the "real world".<ref>''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''. "Quadwal" is a pun on the term "[[wikipedia:fourth wall|fourth wall]]", the barrier between fiction and reality which is "broken" when characters in a work of fiction acknowledge either the audience or their fictional nature.</ref>
* '''Tyran'''—the [[live-action film series|live-action movie]] continuity family.
* '''Viron'''—the ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' continuity family.<ref name="almanacII">''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''</ref>
* '''Xobitor'''—the, uh, ''[[Robotix]]'' family.<ref name="almanacII"/>
* '''Yayayarst'''—the ''[[Go-Bots (toyline)|Go-Go-Go-Bots]]'' continuity family.<ref name="almanacII"/>

Supplied by writers [[Greg Sepelak]] and [[Trent Troop]], a list of Greek letters and the media to which they refer:

* '''Alpha'''—animated series
* '''Beta'''—tech spec/toy/pack-in comic only ("box")
* '''Gamma'''—comic book series
* '''Delta'''—motion picture/live action
* '''Epsilon'''—club/convention fiction
* '''Zeta'''—text stories, storybooks and other prose works (printed)
* '''Eta'''—radio/audiocentric universes, books on tape
* '''Theta'''—live performance/spoken word
* '''Iota'''—Internet-only information (not involved with club/convention)
* '''Kappa'''—games (video and otherwise)

Using this information, we could, in theory, determine the names of yet-unnamed universes on our own. For example, the ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon continuity would be Viron 901.8 Alpha.

==Officially-designated universal streams==
These are the many officially-named universal streams and the [[continuity family]] or individual [[Continuity|continuities]] they refer to:

*Aurex—the [[Unicron Trilogy|Unicron Trilogy continuity family]]
**Aurex 103.10 Alpha—the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Micron Densetsu]]'' cartoon.<ref name=todiegame>"[[To Die Game!]]"</ref>
**Aurex 603.0 Kappa—''[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within|The Energon Within]]'' video game.<ref name=almanacII/>
**Aurex 802.23 Alpha—the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' cartoon.<ref name=almanacII/>

*Gargent—the [[Tonka GoBots]] continuity family
**Gargent -1084.22 Alpha—an evil ''GoBots'' mirror universe from the cartoon episode "Transfer Point".<ref name=almanacII/>
**Gargent 984.08 Alpha—the ''Challenge of the GoBots'' cartoon.<ref name=almanacII/>

* Malgus—the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|''Animated'' continuity family]]
**Malgus 1207.26 Alpha—the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']] cartoon continuity.<ref name=almanac>''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]''</ref>

* Primax—the [[Generation 1 continuity family]]:
** Primax -408.24 Epsilon—if one breaches "the dimensional barrier between the Positive Polarity Universes" and the Negative, one can reach the [[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] universe.<ref>[[Aquarius (SG)|SG Aquarius]]' bio</ref>
** Primax 095.0 Beta—the universal stream that's home to ''[[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' [[Bulletbike (G2)|Bullet Bike]]'s [[Tech Spec]] bio.<ref name="ilowtech">"[[I, Lowtech]]"</ref>
** Primax 109.0 Beta—the original home of ''[[Alternity (franchise)|Alternity]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Convoy Vibrant Red]].<ref>[[From Here to Alternity]]</ref>
** Primax 207.0 Epsilon—the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' continuity, a [[splinter timeline]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics US continuity]] continuity.<ref name="witheredhope">"[[Withered Hope]]"</ref>
** Primax 388.0 Gamma—Japanese Generation 1 [[manga]] continuity, which branches off from cartoon continuity with the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (manga)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' manga.<ref name=almanacII/>
** Primax 406.3 Eta—the [[Kiss Players (radio drama)|''Kiss Players'' radio drama]].<ref name=todiegame/>
** Primax 698.20 Theta—the world of "[[Visitations]]".<ref name=almanacII/>
** Primax 703.02 Gamma—the world of the [[Devil's Due Press]]'s [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers continuity]]. <ref name=almanacII/>
** Primax 787.3 Alpha—the Japanese [[The Headmasters (cartoon)|''The Headmasters'' cartoon]] continuity.<ref name="ilowtech"/>
** Primax 903.0 Beta—the [[Alternators|''Binaltech'']] continuity.<ref>"[[To Mega Therion]]"</ref>
** Primax 905.0 Beta—the ''[[Binaltech Asterisk]]'' continuity.<ref>"[[The World Is Flat!]]"</ref>
** Primax 984.0 Gamma—the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comics US continuity]].<ref name="witheredhope"/>
** Primax 984.17 Alpha—the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon continuity]].<ref name=almanacII/>
**Primax 1087.90 Alpha—the ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' episode "[[Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger]]".<ref name=almanacII/>
** Primax 1291.0 Zeta—the "[[Another Time and Place]]" text story continuity, a dead-end splinter thread of the Marvel Comics continuity.<ref name="witheredhope"/>
** Primax 1286:3 Kappa—The ''[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy|Mystery of Convoy]]'' game.<ref name=todiegame/>

* Quadwal—a [[Transformers timeline|strangely divergent]] continuity family.
** Quadwal -3760.925 Theta—the world in which [[Jim Sorenson (Animated)|Jim Sorenson]] and [[Bill Forster (Animated)|Bill Forster]] were recruited to write the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|AllSpark Almanac]]''.<ref name=almanac/><ref>The origin date of September 25, -3760 is also a reference; September 25, 3760 BC is the first day of the [[wikipedia:Hebrew calendar|Hebrew calendar]] That answers THAT question.</ref>

* Tyran—the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] continuity family
** Tyran 407.01 Beta—the world of the movie toyline's [[Tech Spec]]s.<ref name=todiegame/>
** Tyran 707.04 Delta—the [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'' film]].<ref name="witheredhope"/>

* Viron—the ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' continuity family
** Viron 403.0 Beta—home stream to [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] and [[Smokejumper]]. <ref name=almanacII/>

* Xobitor—the ''[[Robotix]]'' continuity family
** Xobitor 286.0 Gamma—the ''Robotix'' comic.<ref name=almanacII/>
** Xobitor 1085.06 Alpha—the ''Robotix'' cartoon.<ref name=almanacII/>

* Yayayarst—the [[Go-Bots (toyline)|Playskool Go-Bots]] continuity family
**Yayayarst 201.11 Beta—the only known stream in this family.<ref name=almanacII/>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Alternity]]
[[Category:Dimensions]]
[[Category:Timelines]]
[[Category:TransTech]]

Gobots

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{{disambig3|GoBots}}
:''Gobots is an [[Autobot]] [[Color Changer]] from the [[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G2 Gobots cardart.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Orange you glad he's on our side?]]
'''Gobots''' is a tough fighter who doesn't believe in leaving a job half-done, or even nine-tenths done. He's not satisfied with anything less than 100%. Part of the Autobots' rear guard, he goes through the toughest, most hellacious battlefield conditions simply to make sure there's not a single [[Decepticon]] left standing to bring potential ruin to an Autobot victory.

==Fiction==
===Wings of Honor===

Gobots was one of many "second generation" Transformers created on Earth at the dawn of the 21st century who chose to join the Autobots and defend the Earth. He was part of the team that fought [[Clench (G1)|Clench]] and the Decepticon Syndicate at the [[Large Hadron Collider]] in Switzerland. While on a mission to rescue the hostages with [[Aquafend]], he was exposed to [[forestonite]] gas and presumably developed super-powers. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}

===IDW comics continuity===
Gobots was part of an Autobot squad led by [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] when they were attacked by [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]] and his troops. He was shot in the back and killed while attempting to retreat. {{storylink|Drift issue 1|Drift #1}}

==Toys==
===Generation 2===
[[Image:G2 Gobots toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|But sadly, he is not "cool" enough to be an actual Go-bot.]]
*'''Gobots''' (Color-Changer, 1993)

: A [[redeco]] of the European-market [[Aquaspeeder]] [[Jetstorm (G1)|Jetstorm]], Gobots transforms into a Peugeot 405 T16 rally car. His hood section is coated in [[Color changing|heat-sensitive paint]], turning pale on contact with cold water...but with the amount of stickers on him, that's maybe not a good idea. He has a long, [[water-squirting gimmick|water-squirting rifle]] that becomes his front light rack and rear spoiler in car mode. There is a variation of this accessory that uses different-sized plastic bellows.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/Gobots/gobots.htm More information on Gobots at TFU.info]''

[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Autobots]]

...For All Mankind

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|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers (IDW)|The Transformers]]'' #1
|prev=All Hail Megatron issue 16
|next=New Arrivals, Old Encounters
|seriesissue2=
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|next2=
|title="...For All Mankind"
|image=IDW TF 1B.jpg
|caption=Autobots, Transform and... ah, you know the drill!
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[November 18]], [[2009]]
|coverdate=November 2008
|written by=[[Mike Costa]]
|art by=[[Don Figueroa]]
|colors by=[[James Brown]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|editor=[[Andy Schmidt]]
|assistant editor=[[Carlos Guzman]]
|associate editor=[[Denton J. Tipton]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=[[IDW timeline|Current era (2010)]]
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'''The Autobots are on the run and are forced to deal with the loss of one of their own.'''

==Synopsis==

[[Image:Ongoing Issue 1-Optimus Surrenders.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Just throw your hands in the air and wave 'em like you just don't care!]]

Optimus Prime reflects on the responsibilities of all advanced races to spread freedom and peace, and laments that all the [[Transformer|Cybertronians]] have spread is war. The Autobots have been in hiding amongst the humans for the last two years as Earth's cities were rebuilt following Megatron's planet-wide assault. Ratchet and Prowl are in their altmodes, watching for signs of any trouble: trouble that comes as Breakdown destroys a power station in search of [[energon (fuel)|energon]].

The attack is monitored by [[Skywatch]] control, and Spike Witwicky orders his forces to capture the invader. Breakdown is set upon by Spike and several other personnel in armored '[[crash suit]]s', built using stolen Cybertronian technology. Prowl and Streetwise are amongst the human police on the scene, and watch as Breakdown is immobilized and forced into his altmode by Skywatch forces. When they bring out their lethal particle cannons, apparently to destroy the Decepticon, Prowl can watch no longer and transforms, only to be brought down in turn: Spike had intended to draw him out all along. As he and Breakdown are driven away, Streetwise contacts the other Autobots...

At Autobot base, Wheeljack has engineered a counter to the inhibitors, and Prime orders him to fit them to their remaining forces. Hot Rod questions Prime's leadership, particularly their presence on Earth and the corresponding loss as more of their number are captured. Prime reiterates the need to protect Earth in case of possible Decepticon attack, but allows Hot Rod to stage a rescue mission to retrieve Prowl; he assigns Ironhide to go with him.

The rescue attempt goes poorly when it is revealed that Prowl was bait in a Skywatch trap; although Hot Rod's team rescues him, Ironhide dies leaping into a blast meant for Hot Rod. Prime grieves for his friend, and in a speech to his fellow Autobots removes himself as active commander.

Alone and ruminating on the end of the war and the new era in which they find themselves, Prime drives into the desert and into a Skywatch facility. As soldiers surround him, he raises his hands in surrender...
{{-}}
==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (1)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (2)
* [[Streetwise (G1)|Streetwise]] (6)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (7)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (8)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (9)
* [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (10)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (11)
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (12)
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (13)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (14)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (15)

|c2=
* [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (3)
|c3=
* Various [[Skywatch]] personnel (4)
* Major [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (5)
}}

== Errors ==
* On page 2, [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] has a Decepticon insignia on his shoulder.
* The prose for the battle scene against Skywatch indicated that it was occurring at night, but James Brown's colouring makes it look like the battle was on during the very early evening.
* Prowl mentions three Crash Suits in the fray, but four drop from the jets on the previous page.

== Items of note ==
* The title of the issue is on the final page. It refers to the [[Wikipedia:Lunar plaque|plaque]] left on [[Moon (moon)|Earth's moon]] by Apollo 11, which reads in full: "HERE MEN FROM THE PLANET EARTH FIRST SET FOOT UPON THE MOON JULY 1969, A.D. WE CAME IN PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND"
* Not only did Don Figueroa overhaul every Transformer in the comic to have new bodies with a movie-inspired feel, but he also designed reinterpretations of the characters' previous IDW bodies in that same experimental style; these call-back designs can be seen on the covers and in the battle scene spread on pages 2 and 3.
:*Optimus Prime's new body seems to be based on his ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' form.
:* Breakdown's design uses the ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Sunstreaker/Sideswipe mold, but movie-fied. He also has his name on his license plate.
* The fight scene on pages 2 and 3 seems to be a non-literal image of the conflict on Earth, since it features combatants that could never have met during ''[[All Hail Megatron]]'' (such as [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dynobots]], [[Runabout]] and [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]], etc.) Interestingly, it seems to have several callbacks to the G1 cartoon, such as [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] bending a cannon or Ratchet kicking Thundercracker in the groin.
* Prowl's rash, self-sacrificial decision to break cover and help a Decepticon was poorly received by many fans, especially since it came on the heels of [[All Hail Megatron issue 15|a story]] that showed Prowl taking extreme measures to counteract his fellow Autobots' tendency toward maverick heroism. According to IDW story-editor [[Andy Schmidt]], the change in character was intentional, and IDW was planning on filling in Prowl's backstory later in the ongoing series, but the negative fan-response motivated them to tell the story earlier in the form of ''[[Spotlight: Prowl]]''.<ref>[http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/1002/19/schmidt.htm Comics Continuum video interview with Andy Schmidt]</ref>
* 12 pages of this issue were released to the public as preview images by the time the issue was released. First there was a 3-page preview that highlighted Ironhide's death. Then there was an eight-page preview that came mostly from the beginning of the issue. And finally, the day the issue came out, the final page of the issue accompanied a ''USA Today'' news article.<ref>[http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2009-11-18-transformers-optimus-st_N.htm ''USA Today'' article, "Optimus Prime quits!"]</ref>
* A marquee sign in the fourth page's second panel, as Optimus Prime and Megatron battle and destroy the city, seems to read "DARNIT." On the final panel of the same page, a banner reads "[[Headmaster (Animated)|NOOB]]". In the first panel on the next page, a sign reads "SMITHIE." Billboards featuring a smiling woman in sunglasses holding a container of an unspecified product named "Zip," (possibly a sunscreen, or a beverage), are apparently popular advertisements in post-restoration Earth.
* Editor [[Andy Schmidt]] introduces the creative team in the [[Decepticomments]] section.
* This ain't the first time [[Yesterday's Heroes!|Optimus Prime quit the Autobots because his favorite mini-van died!]]
* Starting in this issue, [[Transformer]] speech is rendered in speech bubbles previously used only for [[human]]s. Does this mean they sound less mechanical now?
* An Autobot computer screen displays alien language characters based on the [[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]] [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aurebesh Aurabesh] [[alphabet]].

===Covers (6)===
* '''Cover A:''' Wraparound cover featuring the Autobots running toward the reader in an homage to the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] opening credits; art by Don Figueroa with colors by James Brown.
* '''Cover B:''' Prime, Hot Rod and Ironhide; art by Don Figueroa, colors by James Brown.
* '''Cover RI:''' Optimus Prime [[Barack Obama]] homage; art by [[Tim Doyle]].
* '''Cover RE (Graham Crackers Exclusive):''' Classic in characters battle, a [[Hasbro]] marketing stock image last seen on a [[Kinnerton]] 2008 Christmas advent calendar; pencils by Don Figueroa, colours by ???
* '''Cover RE (New Dimension Comics Exclusive):''' Uncolored version of cover B.
* '''Reprint cover:''' Optimus Prime blasting through a wall; art by Don Figueroa, colors by James Brown.

<gallery>
Image:IDW TF 1A.jpg|Featuring designs not actually seen in the story.
Image:IDW TF 1B.jpg|''Continuum'' is behind us? Then we go '''this''' way!
Image:IDW TF 1RI.jpg|Change we can believe in.
Image:IDW TF 1GC.jpg|Graham Crackers Cover
Image:IDW TF 1RE.jpg.jpg|New Dimension Comics Cover
Image:IDW TF 1reprint.jpg|Reprint Cover
</gallery>

===Advertisements===
* [[New Arrivals, Old Encounters|''The Transformers'' #2]]
* ''[[Transformers: Bumblebee]]''
* ''[[The Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''
* ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' DVDs
* ''[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]]''
* ''Ghostbusters: Displaced Aggression''
* ''G.I. Joe: [[Snake-Eyes]]'' comic
* ''Ghostbusters: Past, Present, and Future'' (back cover)

==References==
<references />

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Alphabet

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{{bigthumb|Alphabeta greco-sol.png|200px|''Alpha Beta'' as written in an unnamed Cybertronian script.}}

An '''alphabet''' (from the Greek ''Αλφάβητος'', "alpha beta") is a collection of written characters used to represent sounds or graphemes. Alphabets differ from ''logographies'' (Where each character represents a word or idea) and ''syllabaries'' where characters represent syllables.

Simply put:
* English is written in the Latin Alphabet
* Chinese is written in the Mandarin Logography
* Japanese can be written in the [[hiragana]] syllabary

See also: [[Cybertronian languages]], [[Cybertronian argot]]

==Alphabets and Transformers==
For the purposes of Transformers, "alphabet" most frequently refers to a '''[[Wikipedia:Substitution_cipher|Substitution Alphabet]]''' based on the Latin Alphabet where English words are written using an 'alien' alphabet whose characters have a 1:1 correlation to the Latin Alphabet.

The use of such Substitution Alphabets in Transformers dates from 1996's [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] which featured Alphabets developed for use in both the [[Maximal]] and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] computer displays.
[[Image:Marvel23 mountrushmore.jpg|thumb|Decepticon graffito-tags from the 1986 comic book story "[[Decepticon Graffiti!]]" later evolved into a substitution alphabet.]]
Fan-produced fonts created around the same time (loosely) based on Transformer writing which appeared in the [[Marvel Comics|US comic]] and [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]] in 1985-86 would later (beginning in 2007) begin creeping into official Transformers productions, though the substitution-alphabet they represent does not, of course, work for the original stories they were based on.

[[Cyberglyphics]], an 'ancient' Transformers script created for the original 2007 movie, is particularly subject to dissonance... originally developed and presented as a quasi-syllabary used to subtitle Decepticon dialog, it was later declared to be an ancient logography no one used anymore, and then promptly turned into a Substitution Alphabet. ''*sigh*'' Since only this last system is used to encode meaningful content...

Finally, there are Substitution Alphabets originating ''outside'' of the Transformers mythos, such as [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aurebesh Aurabesh]. (Aurabesh appeared on a monitor in [[...For All Mankind]].)

==List of alphabets==
===Generation 1 alphabets===
====Autobot script====
Originally based on samples of Autobot writing from the [[1986]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Transformers ]]'' episode "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]" and [[1987]]{{fact}} ''[[Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]''<nowiki></nowiki>'s "[[I Forget Generic Episode Title]]"{{fact}} which represented '''[[Ancient Autobot]]''', a script no longer in common usage on Cybertron, but still used on colony worlds such as [[Antilla]] and [[Master (planet)|Master]].
[[Image:Autobot_Translations.jpg|600px|center]]

A fan-font based on this script was used by the [[AllSpark Wars]] "mini-ARG" in [[2007]] (again associated with an Autobot colony, and not the 'main' Transformer language) and its use has since proliferated as a de-facto 'default' Autobot written language. Generally carries a slight ethnocentric connotation.

====Decepticon script====
Originally based on scraps of Decepticon language from the [[1986]] comic book [[Decepticon Graffiti!]], a fan-font based on this script was used by the AllSpark Wars "mini-ARG" in 2007 and its use has since proliferated across many media as a Decepticon written language.
[[Image:Decepticon Translations.jpg|600px|center]]

===Cybertronix (Beast Era) alphabets===
Both these alphabets are nominally held to represent [[Cybertronix]] the common spoken language used by both [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s in the 23rd century.
====Maximal alphabet====
====Predacon alphabet====

===Live-Action series alphabets===
===''Animated'' alphabets===
===="Greco-Sol" Greecian====
An (incomplete) Substitution Alphabet created to represent ever-prominent Greek letters (from [[Alpha Trion (Animated)|Alpha Trion]] to [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]) rather than the usual Latin Alphabet substitute, "Greco-Sol" first appeared in the [[2010]] [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]] book, used to label Omega Supreme and his comrades.
[[Image:Greco-sol.png|600px]]

This alphabet lacks an official designation. Its unofficial placeholder name "Greco-Sol" ''could'' mean Grecian-by-way-of-Sol (the human Solar System) but it's ''really'' a corruption of the phrase ''"I'''t's all Greek''' to me!"''

===Other alphabets===

The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers

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{{disambig3|Wrecker}}
[[Image:Last Stand of the Wreckers1B.jpg|thumb|250px|They're all gonna die.]]
'''''The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers''''' is a 5-issue limited series published by [[IDW Publishing]] in [[2010]] set in the main [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]].

It follows the re-assembly of the [[Wrecker]]s team after the events of ''[[All Hail Megatron]]'' maxiseries, among other things.

{{chapters |style=3 |prev=All Hail Megatron|next=The Transformers (IDW)|title=''The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers'' issues:|content=
* [[Bullets]]
* [[Dead Men's Boots]]
* [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|#1]]
* [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|#2]]
* [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 3|#3]]
* [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|#4]]
* [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|#5]]
}}
{{quote|noquote=true|'''KP:''' "...and obviously, we've got Wreckers." 
'''NR:''' "Wot?" 
'''KP:''' "Wreckers... no? Um, a bunch of guys..." 
'''NR:''' "Great balls, I'm supposed to be [expletive deleted] writing and drawing that!"|'''Nick Roche''' suddenly realizes the enormity of his looming workload in the midst of an August 2009 interview}}

==Overview==
{{quote|Hey! You look like a mark: wanna buy some action and adventure? Sure you do, you gullible chump. And what better place to find it than in Roche & Roberts' 'Last Stand of The Wreckers'! It's about [[Garrus-9|a prison]] that fell to the Decepticons a coupla years back, but since then something screwy has occurred, and neither side - Autobot or Decepticon - has had any communication with The Last Resort since. When the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] aren't available, and when you've got a bunch of Euro-exclusive toys that aren't too busy, then it's time to send for The Wreckers!|Nick Roche <ref>[http://tfio.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=staffaves&action=display&thread=716 Transformers Ireland Online]</ref>}}

{{quote|It's a story of sacrifice and betrayal, and of good people dying in ''stupid, pointless ways''.|[[Verity Carlo]]}}

==Creative team==
The premise of the series was generated editorially. [[Nick Roche]] asked to do art for the series, only finding out later that he would also be writing the series. [[James Roberts]] is his co-writer, but only started being credited for the script from #2 (though he did #1's Rotorstorm profile). The prolific [[Josh Burcham]] provides the colors. Incentive covers were provided by [[Trevor Hutchison]].

===Items of note===
* In an interview, Roche said that he would be playing with the idea that the Wreckers has "an ever-changing line-up". <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkqheta3GE Nick Roche interview by Moonbase Two]</ref>
* This series is like [[Christmas]] if you love minor characters. New Wreckers [[Ironfist]] and [[Pyro]] had not been in ''any'' previous fiction before, and [[Rotorstorm]] had only had a minor cameo; the same is true of most of the evil [[Predator (subgroup)|Predators]], and [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s only previous English-language fiction had been cameo appearances. Hell even [[Fearswoop]] shows up at one point. All of these guys had [[Generation 1 (European toyline)|European toys]] in the early 90s: it's time for a ''new'' decade to get the nostalgia!
** Then add in Ultra Magnus (who worked with the Wreckers in Marvel UK), [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] (a frequent Marvel UK character), [[Impactor|the first issue cliffhanger]], [[Squadron X]]...
* The violence is deliberate, to make it absolutely unambiguous when Transformers are getting killed. <ref>[http://moonbase2.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=601856 Moonbase 2 interview]</ref>
** The deaths of protagonists are uniformly all horrible and potentially avoidable, and none of them are glorious battles to the death. A recurring theme, brought up in #3 and #5, is of good people dying in pointless ways.
* Overlord was chosen as a villain since Roche and Roberts figured nobody else would be using him, so there'd be no contradictions.
* Both Scorponok and Grimlock were originally intended to be large players in the series. [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (his consciousness taken out of [[Abraham Dante]] and put back in his body by Shockwave) would have acted as Overlord's go to guy for crazy science and would develop [[Nucleon]] as a steroid analogue. The nucleon would power fighters up but damage their mental state. Scorponok would have solved the problem of not having a head by stealing [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus']]. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] would have been dosed up on nucleon, trapping him in his dinosaur form, and rendering him a psychotic beast. Overlord was to have gone on to use him as the final opponent for anyone who progressed far enough in the arena. It was then intended that Overlord's defeat would come from the Wreckers knocking him into the arena with the enraged Grimlock. Although Grimlock did indeed have a minor part in the series, it was decided to deliberately minimalise any 'big name' characters at Garrus-9 so as not to overshadow the Wreckers. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uzQB1GqS0 Auto Assembly 2010 Last Stand of the Wreckers Panel]</ref><ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9DPbginVXE Moonbase 2's AA2010 interview], 30:06 - 31:03</ref>
* Either Springer, Perceptor or Kup ''were'' going to die during planning, but in the end Roche and Roberts weren't allowed to do it. <ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9DPbginVXE Moonbase 2's AA2010 interview], 19:00 - 19:40</ref> Impactor, however, was ''never'' going to die!
* The back of the comic features character profiles, designed as entries on an internal Autobot database called "[[Autopedia]]". The entries are stubs, but you can help the Transformers' wiki by expanding them!
* The trade paperback features different profiles than the individual issues. TheTPB profiles use British spelling.

{{quote|"Nick, James and Josh actually did those [profiles] completely free of charge to add something EXTRA to the comic for you because they love you."|'''[[Andy Schmidt]]''' <ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=7747 IDW forums]</ref>}}

==Collections==
* ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' TPB ([[September 1]], [[2010]]) ISBN 1600107168 / ISBN 978-1600107160
:*Extras include the 11-page prose story "[[Bullets]]", the ''[[Transformers: Mosaic]]'' "[[Dead Men's Boots]]", [[profile]]s for Snare and Overlord, a "movie poster" of the series, a page of "Fisitron's Facts," and a page of sketches called "Prison Slops".
:*A cover gallery is ''not'' included, but in light of what we got, who cares!
:*The profiles that were in the miniseries ''aren't'' in the trade. Roche told Moonbase 2 in 2010 that this was deliberate because he and IDW want to ''[[to sell toys|sell more comics]]''. We still love ya, Nick!

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkqheta3GE#t=21m45s Moonbase 2 interview with Nick Roche about the series.] — AutoAssembly 2009, [[August 24]], [[2009]]
* [http://www.oneshallstand.com/articles/wreckers.html One Shall Stand interview with Roche and Roberts]

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[[Bill Forster]]'s fully licensed [[Victory Leo]] tattoo.

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[[Category: Images by Josh Burcham]]

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Talk:Tree of Life

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I laughed at the Mel Gibson quote, but isn't the caption a bit much? Antisemetism shouldn't be a laughing matter even as pathetic as it is. The Tree of Life is a universal metaphor afterall, even if the map shows a clear Kabbalah parallel. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:27, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
:That wasn't a Mel Gibson quote, it's just what people have been saying for thousands of years.
:And this isn't a Kabbalah 'parallel.' The names, colors, and philosophical meaning, and even '''path''' through the Sephirot is lifted ''directly'' from the Kabbalah version. [http://i53.tinypic.com/23vz29h.jpg Check it out]. He starts at sphere 10 and simply counts down (er, up...) to one. The names he gives for the speheres are '''literal translations of the Hebrew names'''.
:It's this ''verbatim lifting'' of the concept with '''no''' attempt to create a 'regionalized' version of it better suited to Transfomers that earns Skir such bile, and combined with his universe-breaking "I just thought it'd be nice if the heroes didn't used guns" initiative and ham-fisted application of a "technology is evil, nature is good" plot to a species of '''sentient robots''' has resulted in his work on TF being dismissed as new-age hippyism. Correction-- '''shallow''' new-age hippyism. I've been one of those critics. That said... my attitude towards the Sephirot has softened over the years. I '''still''' desperately wish we'd gotten a more regionalized version of the concept instead of a 1:1 port.
:Re-reading this story I saw apparently-unnoticed references in it to the wider universe. One probably intentional, the other accidental but ''perfect'', plus a few more incidental dovetails. This has broken down my resolve to keep treating the Tree of Life concept as 'separate' from the rest of TF canon. (Plus, I think it can be used to tidy up a few loose ends about the distinction between spark and soul.) Also, you know, it's pretty much Rhinox's canonical religion, and isn't even inconsistent with "[[The Spark]]".
:Anyway... yeah. The reason <tt>"I bet the Jews are responsible for this?"</tt> Because that ''is'' the Jewish Tree of Life, verbatim. It was indeed created by Jews. (Thus the phrase is ironic, because it's simply an accurate observation, not a damning accuzation.)
:...is Bob Skir Jewish? Because that would invite confusion. If Skir's Jewish I'd prefer to dump the caption rather than offend. (I always pegged Skir's religion was "Mendicant Hippie Who Can't Get Served at McDonalds.") -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:30, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
::According to his [http://www.myspace.com/rns1961 Myspace page], his religion is indeed Jewish. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:33, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Well shoot. That takes all the fun out of the caption-- a malappropriate use of a normally-offensive phrase is no good if it can reasonably be mistaken for ''actually'' offensive, especially since my ire for Skir's work is well-documented. I'll dump the quote in the next page edit... I'm sure we can come up with something better.
:::FYI Walky, I plan to go pretty straight-on gnostic w/ this page, taking the material as it's straightforwardly presented. (I assume Rosicrucian can check me on the details, probably others.) [[The One]] is related to this concept, using Blake's model of "Gnostic emanations to resolve internal conflict" so the two articles will probably end up tied together. I'm cautiously optimistic that everything can be stitched together the way it's 'supposed' to go without straying beyond the TF source material.
:::Anyway just a heads up. Any contamination from Derik's Crazy Ideas shouldn't stray beyond this page, and the community can veto me if things get too wacky, as per usual. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:07, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
::::There is no effective difference between Botanica's hip-guns, Primal's chest-gun, Strika's wrist-guns, and Jetstorm's shoulder-guns. It is a worthless nontroversy. And since this is exactly the first ever discussion about the tree concept I have seen anywhere since the book was published 6 years ago, I don't see how it has "earned Skir such bile". It only ever appeared in one story, it didn't really mean anything, and it's pretty clearly not in effect anymore as no one else has ever used it or even mentioned it since. It's a weird curio, probably his attempt at an... I'd say "Easter Egg," but, uh, more like a hamantosh. This is a PERFECT CASE STUDY of an abandoned concept within the canon; linking it with "The One" would be quite appropriate in that regard. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:42, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::There's at least a tiny possibility that linking it to The One would be '''very''' appropriate. TF Legends had a reasonable helping of 2003 'grand vision' of the TF Multiverse which spawned 'Worlds Collide,' the whole "Transformers as a Mystery Religion" approach where the reader from their privileged position viewing multiple universes simultaneously often has a clearer idea of what's going on than the main characters do. That's when The One made its never-properly-articulated debut, and and the year Legends was published. It's entirely possible that Skir was asked to fold some of this stuff in. (I don't particularly care if this was the case or not, it's just ''interesting.'')
:::::And you don't see bile leveled at Skir on the wiki because we are '''gentlemen''' here, and we are above such spurious character-assassination. ...except me, obviously. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:03, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

Tired. Fweep time. Here-- [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/59943.html#cutid1 have hint why I's find this interesting.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:43, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
:....sonofabitch, I think you're right. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:55, 8 September 2010 (EDT)
::Welp, ''my'' mind is blown. Er, re: the purple pillars and flying equations, that is. Think you're pushing it correlating random moments to the different levels. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:29, 8 September 2010 (EDT)

Having finally finished TF: Exodus, I'm going to throw this out:
* Matrix == Tree of Knowledge
* AllSpark == Tree of Life
I don't plan on putting it into the article (and the line is certainly blurred enough, with the Matrix being used for trips on the Sephirot) but that really appears to be the 'shape' continuity is assuming. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:23, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

I wish I'd twigged on to this while I was working on the Almanacs.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 15:46, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

User:CanadianBacon

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'''Name:''' Canadian Bacon
'''Function:''' Transformers Fan
'''Motto:''' Till All Are In My Collection

''Obsessiveness:'' 9
''Completionism:'' 10
''Geekiness'': 9
''Knowledgeability:'' 8

Shell Game

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{{disambig2|the 3H stand-alone story|the canceled Beast Wars mini-series|Shell Game (Dreamwave)}}
{{comicstory|seriesissue=
|title="Shell Game"
|publisher=[[3H]]
|date=July 31, 2004 ([[OTFCC 2004]])
|story=[[Simon Furman]]
|pencils=[[Andrew Froedge]]
|inks=[[Andrew Froedge]]
|colors=[[Joe Givens]]
|letters=[[Simon Bowland]]
|continuity=unknown
}}
'''A Decepticon tyrant hunts down the last surviving Autobot.'''

==Synopsis==
The [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] of a nightmarish alternate universe has been ravaged by a powerful tyrant, Megazarak. Appearing amidst the remnants of a crumbling Decepticon empire, he has slashed and burned his way across the planet, leaving few survivors in his wake and driving the Autobots to the brink of extinction.

Determined to wipe out the last pockets of Autobot resistance, Megazarak and his Targetmaster partner Caliburn force their way deep into Cybertron. Their objective: the Oracle, which Megazarak believes will yield the location of [[Base Sigma]], the last pocket of Autobot resistance, and the hiding place of the last Matrix-bearer.

Only the Oracle's ancient caretaker [[Ultra Trion]] stands in his way. Megazarak bashes him aside effortlessly and demands to know where the Oracle is. Ultra Trion reveals that he's not so helpless, and launches a missile from a hidden launcher, intent on fighting to the death. But the tyrant simply catches the missile and destroys Ultra Trion with it, remaining unscratched himself. Megazarak finishes the job with his own main gun.

But Trion's final gambit is successful — the Oracle has been removed from its chamber and is gone. Denied his final victory, Megazarak howls in fury, but at the same time, he knows... there are only so many places on Cybertron to hide.

==Quotes==
"How quaint. A cleric with a cannon..."
:— '''Megazarak''' is not impressed by Ultra Trion's armaments.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters|c1=
* [[Ultra Trion]] (3)

|c2=
* [[Megazarak]] (1)
* [[Caliburn]] (2)

}}
==Notes==
* Among the ruins of Cybertron can be seen the head of an [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] as well as that of [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]].
* This story constitutes its own [[Micro-continuity|micro-continuity]], as no other storyline has built on it. The only further elaboration came from the bios for Megazarak and the unreleased [[3H]] version of [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]].

==External links==
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[[Category:Universe (2003)]]

Talk:Rhythms of Darkness!

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== Jazz II ==

If that is "Galvatron II" wouldn't that also be "Jazz II", "Inferno II", etc? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:09, 18 February 2010 (EST)
: Of course not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:21, 18 February 2010 (EST)

== Featured Characters ==

Shouldn't Rodimus Prime, Kup and Blurr be added? Even though they're dead and appear only briefly, they're still shown. [[Special:Contributions/95.148.8.160|95.148.8.160]] 07:28, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
:Do they ONLY appear as corpses? If so, they aren't really characters anymore. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:59, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
::Hard to say, technically, as they're shown in the process of being corpsified by evil lasers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:11, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Rodimus, at least, corpse or no, plays an important part in the story and should be included.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 11:45, 14 June 2010 (EDT)

Punch (disambiguation)

2010-05-14T18:47:02Z

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The name '''Punch''' has been assigned to two different characters:

*'''1987''' — [[Punch (G1)|Punch]], the heroic Autobot double-agent, who is also known as Counterpunch, from ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]''.

*'''2009''' — [[Punch (SG)|Punch]], the evil Autobot journalist from ''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''.

There is also a real-life person involved with the creation of Transformers, [[Punch UFO]], who played [[Side Burn (RID)|Speedbreaker]] in ''Car Robots'', the Japanese version of ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'',

Punch

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#REDIRECT [[Punch (disambiguation)]]

Talk:Luxoflux

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==We're not the only ones with funny captions==
Would anyone object to me documenting all of the little remarks that display under the Luxoflux logo when starting up the RotF game in here?
--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 00:10, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
:Object? Stuff like this is what the wiki is ''for''. Document away. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:29, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
::Just wasn't sure if it'd be better here, or on the game's page.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:12, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
Well, that's 23 of the buggers done. There are some I remember seeing, but didn't get in my many reloadings, and the "Boom!" one had more o's and exclamation points than I could scrawl down within the short amount of time it was on the screen.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:09, 13 April 2010 (EDT)
:::Well done!--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 15:12, 13 April 2010 (EDT)

Category talk:Space specialists

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Space... specialists?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:55, 10 March 2010 (EST)
: I'm pretty sure that was a gag once on Futurama. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:06, 10 March 2010 (EST)
:Is it time for a category killing spree? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:18, 10 March 2010 (EST)
::What for? Do we not like [[:Category:Functions|functions categories]]? Or do we just not like some of the functions categories? What's the problem? Rosicrucian's post was pretty nonspecific. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:30, 10 March 2010 (EST)
:::This seems really kind of generic. But, for what it's worth, Animated Starscream is perfectly capable of interstellar flight.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 14:49, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Black redeco

2010-02-27T01:59:21Z

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[[Image:Nemesis breaker toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Black Lion, for all your furniture needs.]]
'''Black repaint''' is a fan-coined term referring to a mostly dark-colored [[redeco]] of a [[toy]], usually featuring black as its primary color. The term is usually inaccurate, as the toys are almost always redecos and not actually [[repaint]]s, but the name has stuck. They were primarily a product of Japan until ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' popularized the concept on American shores.

Black repaints are a comparatively common type of redeco; in particular, a great many [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] toys have been produced in a black repaint color scheme at least once. As with most aspects of Transformers, fandom opinion on black repaints is split: some like them, some denounce them as bland and/or uncreative, and some don't think of them as being any different from other redecoes.

A black repaint does not necessarily have to ''literally'' be mostly black. ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], for instance, is technically dark blue.

Though not exclusive to these kinds of redecos, black repaints are most commonly the standard method of releasing an "evil counterpart" to an existing Transformer. "Stealth mode" versions of characters are somewhat common as well.

Some particularly well-known black repaints include:

* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] could technically be considered the first black repaint in Transformers, though he doesn't match up to the modern notion.

* Soundblaster is the rebuilt form of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. He has an unusual backstory for a black repaint; he is an upgrade of an existing Decepticon. This reflects his status as one of the earliest black repaints, before the modern conception had taken root in the fandom or the toy manufacturers. [[Scorponok_(G1)#Super-God_Masterforce_cartoon|BlackZarak]] would have a similar origin.

*[[Nightracer]], the first convention-exclusive black repaint, is a repaint of [[High Beam]]. Like other [[BotCon]] exclusives, she would be unrelated to the mold she was based on.

[[Image:RMLioConvoyBlack toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Though Hasbro produces some black repaints, Takara produces the, heh, lion's share.]]
* [[Black Lio Convoy]] is the first black repaint to be an evil autobot clone, in this case of [[Lio Convoy]].

* ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] is one of the few black repaints that represent main show characters. His popularity helped ensure that Hasbro, not just Takara, would be producing many black repaints in the future. Takara still produces the majority of the black repaints.

* The [[Multiforce#Micromaster_Collection|Multiforce]] were some of the earliest toys where the black repaints represent a stealth mode.

* ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] is infamous for starting out as a nearly unobtainable exclusive surrounded by various problems with [[Hasbro Toy Shop]], then seeing a wide release in Australia.

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Black redeco

2010-02-27T01:58:00Z

63.203.180.99: Swapping out the less notable Sideburn for an early (perhaps the earliest?) stealth repaint.

[[Image:Nemesis breaker toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Black Lion, for all your furniture needs.]]
'''Black repaint''' is a fan-coined term referring to a mostly dark-colored [[redeco]] of a [[toy]], usually featuring black as its primary color. The term is usually inaccurate, as the toys are almost always redecos and not actually [[repaint]]s, but the name has stuck. They were primarily a product of Japan until ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' popularized the concept on American shores.

Black repaints are a comparatively common type of redeco; in particular, a great many [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] toys have been produced in a black repaint color scheme at least once. As with most aspects of Transformers, fandom opinion on black repaints is split: some like them, some denounce them as bland and/or uncreative, and some don't think of them as being any different from other redecoes.

A black repaint does not necessarily have to ''literally'' be mostly black. ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], for instance, is technically dark blue.

Though not exclusive to these kinds of redecos, black repaints are most commonly the standard method of releasing an "evil counterpart" to an existing Transformer. "Stealth mode" versions of characters are somewhat common as well.

Some particularly well-known black repaints include:

* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] could technically be considered the first black repaint in Transformers, though he doesn't match up to the modern notion.

* Soundblaster is the rebuilt form of [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. He has an unusual backstory for a black repaint; he is an upgrade of an existing Decepticon. This reflects his status as one of the earliest black repaints, before the modern conception had taken root in the fandom or the toy manufacturers. [[Scorponok_(G1)#Super-God_Masterforce_cartoon|BlackZarak]] would have a similar origin.

*[[Nightracer]], the first convention-exclusive black repaint, is a repaint of [[High Beam]]. Like other [[BotCon]] exclusives, she would be unrelated to the mold she was based on.

[[Image:RMLioConvoyBlack toy.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Though Hasbro produces some black repaints, Takara produces the, heh, lion's share.]]
* [[Black Lio Convoy]] is the first black repaint to be an evil autobot clone, in this case of [[Lio Convoy]].

* ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] is one of the few black repaints that represent main show characters. His popularity helped ensure that Hasbro, not just Takara, would be producing many black repaints in the future. Takara still produces the majority of the black repaints.

* The [[Multiforce#Micromaster_Collection|Multiforce]] were one of the earliest toys where the black repaints represent a stealth mode.

* ''[[Alternators]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] is infamous for starting out as a nearly unobtainable exclusive surrounded by various problems with [[Hasbro Toy Shop]], then seeing a wide release in Australia.

[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Jazz (Animated)

2009-12-18T03:11:20Z

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:''Jazz is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFA Jazz promoimage.JPG|right|228px|thumb|"When push comes to shove, you've gotta do what you love, even if it's not a good idea!"]]
Though a member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]], '''Jazz''' is a bit of an independent thinker. He's reluctant to disobey orders, but he has more of an appreciation for the finer things than his compatriots. This is evidenced in his better choice of vehicle mode disguise, a "sweet ride" drawn from Earth culture. He is a [[Cyber-Ninja Corps|Cyber-Ninja]], like [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]. However, his training is more progressed, and instead of ninja stars he wields a pair of nunchaku. He seems to be the only one of the Elite Guard willing to learn, and fits in with the Earth team pretty well.

He is ''incredibly'' cool.

{{bigquote|Any species that can come up with a sweet ride like this can't be all bad!|Jazz digs his new [[Alternate mode|altmode]] and the humans that created it|[[The Elite Guard]]}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===

:''Voice actor'': [[Phil LaMarr]] (English), [[Jens-Uwe Bogadtke]] (German)

{{note|Events from IDW Publishing are in italics}}
[[Image:Freaked jazz-1.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Booga booga!]]
Jazz accompanied [[Supreme Commander]] [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] to [[Earth]] to retrieve [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s crew and the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. When Magnus ordered Jazz to activate a [[force field]] around [[Steelhaven (Animated)|their ship]] to prevent [[Human|organic]] contamination, Jazz expressed interest in getting a closer look at them. This caused Sentinel Prime to warn Jazz that the organics would eventually spit acidic goo that would melt through his body armor and destroy vital [[Circuits|circuitry]]. Jazz was...less willing to meet the organics after that.

[[Image:Jazzanimatedaltmode.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Suddenly, Bumblebee's less popular.]]
When [[Sari Sumdac]] managed to sneak aboard their ship, he tried to send her out without provoking her. When she realized that Jazz was afraid of her, she tried to scare him. After [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] explained that Humans were harmless (and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] explained that Sentinel Prime was a jerk), Jazz accompanied the Autobots to a Sumdac manufacturing plant that was going haywire. Jazz and Prowl managed to keep the AllSpark-powered [[police drone]]s away from Sari and Optimus long enough for Sari to shut down the assembly line. He and Prowl traded several martial arts-centered quips throughout the battle, talking about [[Metallikato]] moves like the "[[Five Servos of Doom]]" attack. {{storylink|The Elite Guard|The Elite Guard}}

When Ultra Magnus started to receive reports of [[Decepticon]] uprisings at the rim of the galaxy, Jazz commented that it was probably because they'd "got wind" that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was still online.

[[Image:Sentinel vs Optimus%2C with Jazz in the middle.jpg|left|180px|thumb|"Right now, we need to stop fighting each other and start fighting the bad guy. Dig?"]]
Later, Jazz noticed a spike in AllSpark energy, and Ultra Magnus took him to investigate, leaving Sentinel Prime to watch Optimus Prime. Their combined attempt to remove the "SmallSpark", which [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] had booby-trapped, failed, and they were blown off the train in which it was embedded. Optimus and his crew, with the help of Sari and the [[AllSpark Key]], successfully and safely removed the AllSpark fragment, but Jazz could only watch as they received a dressing-down from Ultra Magnus for becoming involved. Then Starscream himself crashed to Earth, courtesy of Megatron's cannon, and knocked out Magnus. Jazz turned to Sentinel for orders, but the panicking Guardsbot was unable to think of anything. Optimus took over, directing his crew and Sari to various tasks; and himself, Jazz and Sentinel to take down Starscream—although Jazz needed to talk down the posturing pair of [[Prime (rank)|Primes]] before they could get to fighting the bad guy.

His nunchaku proved ineffective, however, and he was swiftly knocked out, leaving Optimus to save the day again. Jazz later escorted Optimus's crew in taking the [[Stasis lock|stasis locked]] and gagged Starscream to be imprisoned in the Elite Guard's ship, before the three Guardsbots and their ship departed, leaving Optimus and his crew to deal with the remaining Decepticons on Earth. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished|Mission Accomplished}}

Jazz was present as Starscream escaped the Elite Guard ship. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon|A Fistful of Energon}}

''When the Elite Guard decided to begin [[Safeguard (Animated)|Project Safeguard]], Jazz and Sentinel voiced dissent, stating that Autobots don't fly. Jazz's discomfort only worsened when he saw [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. He was soon assigned to train them. While taking them on in battle to guage their abilities, Jazz seemingly won quite quickly, but as soon as he turned his back the twins defeated him with ease. Later, he was observing the twins in simulated training when [[Perceptor (Animated)|Perceptor]] tried putting Starscream's coding into the program. The Starscream code took over, trapping the twins and preventing Jazz and Sentinel from disconnecting them. They were powerless to help, and the twins had to save themselves by discovering the ability to merge into Safeguard. {{storylink|First (and Second) in Flight}}''

Jazz was later onboard the Elite Guard ship, along with Ultra Magnus and Sentinel, during the galactic battles with the Decepticon rebels when the received a transmission from [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] requesting back-up. Jazz had told him to hold on a little longer. But by the time the Elite Guard had arrived, [[Team Chaar]] had already left, albiet [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron's]] orders. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

[[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]] had later sent Jazz, accompanied by Sentinel, Jetfire, and Jetstorm, to go after the supposed traitor [[Wasp]]. However, Wasp had retreated to Earth, much to Longarm's dismay, as he had ordered all contact with that planet be filtered through him. Despite this, Jazz and the others still went after the traitor. When they found Optimus Prime's crew, they revealed that Longarm was really Shockwave, a Decepticon double-agent, and that Wasp had been innocent the whole time. Despite this, Sentinel Prime still wanted Wasp brought in, but the crazed Autobot got away. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Sentinel had later succeeded in capturing [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], and [[Lugnut]], leaving [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] to suspect he was getting help. Jazz had this suspicion, too, and followed him to find that he was bargaining with [[Lockdown (Animated)|a double-dealing bounty scum]]. Jazz and the others defeated Lockdown, along with [[Ramjet (Animated)|another Decepticon fugitive]]. While they had captured the clone, Lockdown had escaped. Jazz later became impressed by Prowl's new armor, especially [[Yoketron]]'s helmet. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

When Sentinel realised he was needed on Cybertron, the Elite Guard packed up and headed for home. Jazz was disappointed, as he had enjoyed being on Earth. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

On the return trip, Jazz and Sentinel were contacted by the Autobot council, who wished to discuss Sentinel's temporary promotion. Sentinel let this go to his head, and told Jazz to refer to him as "Commander". He also directed Jazz to take them through an unstable ion storm, despite Jazz's protests. As Jazz piloted them in, energy from the storm somehow restored Swindle, who had been stuck in [[Alternate mode|altmode]]. Swindle instigated a prisoner break, releasing the other Decepticons, and lead them in an attack on the Elite Guard. Jazz requested that Sentinel contact Cybertron for help, but fearing repercussions for allowing the escape to happen on his watch, he sent a coded message to Optimus instead. Appearing unexpectedly through a Transwarp link within Swindle's chest, Optimus Prime was able to free the Elite Guard. He then made sure the Decepticons could hear him order Jazz to modify the ship's decontamination chamber to freeze its occupants. However, he simultaneously gave Jazz a secret coded order to set up the chamber to freeze those ''outside'' of it. Thus, when the Decepticons eventually recaptured the Autobots and placed them in the chamber, it backfired, allowing the Autobots to escape and recapture all the prisoners but Swindle and [[Lugnut]]. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}

Having returned to Cybertron, Jazz began chafing under Sentinel Magnus' militant approach. When [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Captain Fanzone]] accidentily transwarped to Cybertron, Jazz followed orders and helped capture them. However, once they had escaped he tailed them, and eventually helped them by granting them access to the Elite Guard infirmary so they could search for [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]. After battling [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]], Ratchet was able to recapture the [[Magnus Hammer]], but refused to give it to Sentinel. Instead, he escaped took it with him back to Earth, intent on keeping it from Sentinel and protecting it for Ultra Magnus. Sentinel started to follow him, but Jazz volunteered to go instead. Upon his arrival on Earth, he informed Ratchet that he'd had enough of Sentinel and promptly volunteered his services to the Earthbound Autobots. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}
{{-}}

{{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}
{{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

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==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Animated jazz both mode1.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Enter the Dragon Wagon]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories'': 2 side-pipe "energy chucks"

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' deluxes, Jazz transforms into a car that looks like a cross between [[Jazz (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]] and a 1950s Corvette. The toy features translucent blue [[light-piping]] for its visor, as well as translucent blue headlights. Curiously, all the toy's vehicle mode windows are ''also'' cast from this plastic, but tinted black by [[Paint operation|paint applications]]. The toy's exhaust pipes can be removed from its forearms, and are connected by a short length of string to serve as nunchaku-style "energy chucks" weapons. They can also be assembled into claw-like weapons.

: Also, in vehicle mode, if you flip the trunk open and leave it that way, Jazz will appear to have spoilers, similar to his [[Jazz (G1)|G1 counterpart]]'s vehicle mode.

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[[Image:Animated-toy_FreewayJazz.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Freeway Jazz''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Accessories'': 2 side-pipe "energy chucks"

: Freeway Jazz is a [[redeco]] of Deluxe Autobot Jazz in [[Jazz (Movie)|movie]]-inspired colors.

{{-}}
[[Image:BumperBattlers Jazz toy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Comes with the world's shortest jump rope.]]
*'''Autobot Jazz''' (Bumper Battler, 2008)

:Jazz is part of the second wave of [[Bumper Battlers]]. Pressing on the vehicle mode's front bumper activates electronic noises and pops up the roof, revealing a relief of Jazz's robot form. Pressing on the Autobot faction symbol on the hood activates a random string of sound effects and voice samples from the samples available on the toy's sound chip.
{{-}}

*'''Stealth Ninja Jazz''' (Bumper Battler, 2010?)

: A silver redeco of Bumper Battlers Jazz.

{{comingsoontoy}}

==Trivia==
* [[The AllSpark Almanac]] identifies his weapons as "laser nunchako."

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Jazz/jazz.htm Jazz at TFU.info]

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MediaWiki:Milestones

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[[Image:Wiki milestones.png|center]]
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[[Image:ShootingStarG1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I'm kinda a big deal 'round these parts.]]

Throughout the years, ''thousands'' of articles have been created for this wiki. Here are a few of the more noteworthy milestones that have been reached.
* 1,000th: [[Shooting Star]] on 17 May 2006
* 2,000th: [[Beast (planet)]] on 30 September 2006
* 3,000th: [[Altered Image!]] on 3 February 2007
* 4,000th: [[Noise Effect]] on 25 June 2007
* 5,000th: [[Planet-Destroying Fortress]] on 2 November 2007
* 6,000th: [[Larry Leahy]] on 24 March 2008
* 7,000th: ''presently unknown due to technical issues''
* 8,000th: [[Ego]] on January 25th, 2009
* 9,000th: [[Michael York]] on June 28th, 2009
* 10,000th: [[Ming-Li]] on 14 December 2009

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Landshark (G1)

2009-12-11T01:57:03Z

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:''Landshark is an Autobot in a [[Timelines (fiction)|Timelines]] addition to the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Landsharktoughguy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|We also would have accepted "Wise Ass".]]

'''Landshark''' puts all those stereotypes of [[Kup (G1)|old]] [[Ratchet (Animated)|miserly]] [[Brakedown (Cybertron)|mechs]] to rest. Sure, compared to the rest of his team, he's the oldest, but he's also by far the most irreverent. Not even the most serious of dire situations can stop him from cracking jokes. And don't tell him to grow up, because he's carrying guns heavier than the rest of his team combined.

He doesn't know what a shark is, but if you confuse him for [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]], he'll kick your skidplate.

{{quote|Dude... [[Flak]] totally stole my motto!|Landshark's "motto"}}

==Fiction==
===Timelines===
[[Image:LandsharkWOH-energondelivery.jpg|left|300px|thumb|There's the money shot.]]

Before the war, Landshark was the pilot of the ''[[Eight Track]]'' under the command of [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]. Landshark and [[Flak]] played mentor to a young "protie" named [[Kup]], though Landshark's lessons were a lot less practical than Flak's. After a [[Units of time|solar cycle]] of scanning remote star systems, the ''Eight Track'' received a priority signal from [[Autobot High Command]]! Back home, the [[Decepticon]]s had rallied around a [[Megatron (G1)|new leader]], and what once was a manageable group had suddenly become an army. [[Quintesson|Someone]], possibly these Decepticons, shot down a freight hauler, the ''[[Van De Graaff]]'', over the planet [[Beta-Nine]], and its precious cargo could not fall into enemy hands. Landshark and the others were ordered to retrieve the cargo and return it to Cybertron.

The ''Eight Track'' was shot out of Beta-Nine's orbit by a Decepticon starship, so Landshark did his best to land the ship. Despite Landshark's reputation as a great pilot who could land a ship in any condition, the ''Eight Track'' crashed hard in a swamp. Nothing was hurt, save Landshark's morale. He expressed doubts over the mission they'd received, but Thunderclash told him to put up and shut up. They were Autobots, and they had an important job, no matter the risk.

The Decepticons were instantly upon them, and Kup was immediately separated from the rest. Landshark and Flak were ordered to divert the Decepticons away from the ''Van De Graaff'', and so they headed deep into the jungle surrounding the swamp. Between the two of them, they were able to defeat [[Leozack]] and [[Hooligan]].

Ultimately, the cargo was retrieved by Thunderclash and Kup and returned to Cybertron when a rescue ship came for them all. For their bravery, [[Magnum]] of Autobot High Command assigned Landshark and the others to a new unit, the [[Elite Guard]], which had been established to counter the Decepticons in the Civil War that had just began. {{storylink|Wings of Honor}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-LandsharkWoH.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Candy-gram. Candy-gram. Candy-gram."]]
*'''Wings of Honor''' (BotCon 2009 box set)
**''Accessories'': Missile

:A [[redeco]] of ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Landmine (Energon)#Toys|Landmine]], Landshark transforms into a green, orange and silver Cybertronic half-track battlefield recovery vehicle. The front of the vehicle features a large plow while the rear has a rotating crane with a working winch, accompanied by a spring-loaded missile launcher. The front half of the vehicle can separate from the tracked portion as a smaller truck cab. The tracked portion can then be reconfigured into a mini battle station that Landshark's robot mode can operate. Most of the crane is detachable, possibly [[for safety reasons]]; it doesn't appear to attach anywhere else.

:In robot mode, Landshark has no weapons, but his standard 5mm fists can hold any [[Energon weapon]]s or other weapons sporting a compatible peg system. In the dead center of his chest is his [[spark crystal]], over which an [[energon star]] can be attached. Landshark combines with the "trailer" rear half of his vehicle, forming his [[brute mode]]. The tracks, with their flip-out digger claws, mount on his arms, while the remaining portion forms a weapons backpack.

:Landshark comes in a box set along with [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Thunder Clash]], [[Flak]], and the Decepticon [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]].

: The mold was also [[redeco]]ed as [[Landquake (Energon)|Landquake]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/BCLandshark/landshark.htm More information on Landshark at TFU.info]''

==Trivia==
*Landshark probably won't be played by [[wikipedia:Chevy Chase|Chevy Chase]], although [[Fun Publications]] staffer [[Rik Alvarez]] has noted that Chevy did influence the character.

*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhOc0fVJyGI Laaand shark laaand shark laaand shark laaand shark...]

*Landshark's biography mentions his battle with a [[Narliphant]], a creature from the [[Tonka GoBots|Rock Lords]] toy line.

*According to [[Pete Sinclair]], Landshark loves ''Saturday Night Live''.

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:''Omega Sentinels were [[Autobot]]s from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
The '''Omega Sentinels''' were supposedly a mass-produced line of weapons of mass destruction sharing the same [[body-type]] as [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Beyond that, not much is known about them, except that [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]] was very good at killing them during the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]].<ref>[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 24|Blackout's tech spec profile]]</ref>

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Talk:Female Transformer

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== Strika ==

There seems to be some vehemence about Strika's status (or not) as a female.

While I agree that there is no 'definitive' evidence that Strika is female, neither is there 'definitive' evidence that most TFs are male, yet we have no difficulty accepting that fact. To dismiss the (in my view) quite reasonable assumption that Strika is female as 'fan-conjecture' ignores a number of common-sense factors:

* The fact that in the cartoon she was voiced by female voice actor - there is no instance I can recall of a female TF character being voiced by a male actor or vice versa.

* That she is referred to as Obsidian's consort (rather than associate) is not insignificant. There is a nuance of meaning in the term that implies that they are not merely associates, but their relationship would be more similar to that of husband and wife, or domestic companions. The primary meaning of consort is the spouse of a monarch, which would sit well with Obsidian's perceived status.

On this basis, I think that it is reasonable to assert that Strika is intended to be a female character until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Perhaps she should be included in this listing, with a disclaimer about lack of formal evidence. To do otherwise would smack of legalistic hair-splitting.

:...I wasn't aware this was even in doubt. It'd require a fairly baroque misreading of Beast Machines to make Strika a dude. (BWR might change that.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I was also unaware. How can she not be a girl? ''Her tech spec calls her a girl.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I'd like to third this "what the hell?". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::...what do you mean fan-conjecture? He identifies her as his consort. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consort 
:::Of the SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, several of which are military in nature, only ONE is romantic. And again, there is absolutely fuck-all outside of one word with multiple accurate non-romatic applications to suggest any form of romance between the two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Really? Huh, I didn't think any of the other definitions actually fit...
::::''1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare PRINCE CONSORT , QUEEN CONSORT.
::::''2. one ship accompanying another.
::::''3. a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music. b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.
::::''4. a companion, associate, or partner.
::::''5. accord or agreement.
::::That leaves us #1 or #4... on reflection, the way Obsidian says it really '''does''' fit #4 better. *checks TF ultimate guide* Huh, there it calls her his cohort, which again seems to support Obsidian meant she was his partner, not sexytime toy.
::::Perhaps there should be a note on the Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Er... perhaps there should be a Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Ah, I think I follow something of the "WTF?" I have created - the conjecture is not about Strika's status as a female, but about the nature of the relationship with Obsidian implied from this. Apologies for this misreading.

::::::Having said this, some fundamental points remain - yes, there are 6 definitions of consort, but these are not equal or interchangeable - the most common or accepted usage of the term is almost always the one defined first.

::::::If the creators of Beast Machines had intended a more neutral relationship like associate, partner or companion, they could easily have used those words, and thus have prevented this current debate. However, the fact that they chose to use the word consort does make certain implications far more reasonable. There have been few (if any) female TFs introduced who did not have some manner of romantic or intimate entanglement. Since there is little doubt of Strika's gender, it is reasonable on this basis to assert that Obsidian and Strika were in an interdependent relationship similar to a marriage. Whether this included physical intimacy is neither here nor there, since many marriages can be founded on mutual attachment without intimacy. We can debate the nature of romance until the cows come home, though this wiki is probably not the best forum for this.

::::::So, relationship or not? --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 12:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::It's been awhile since I watched BM... (I hope to get the DVD set for Christmas) but did Obsidian ever show any affection for Strika? Any sign or romantic involvement aside from calling her his consort? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Not really. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== "femme" ==

Wasn't this term used already officially? (I remember being irate about something a few weeks back...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounds better than "fembot" at any rate. That term evokes images of Futurama. - [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:Austin Powers comes to mind first, actually. Images of Futurama would be awesome. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

::I'd have to double-check my Transformers: Decepticons DS game, but I think Barricade uses the term "fembot" as an insult to Create-a-Bot at one point. If so, "fembot" has been used in an official capacity, unfortuately. I still think "femme" without the bot suffix sounds a lot better. -- [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:::Fembot's certainly been used officially. Rattrap said it in "Nemesis," and Downshift's Cyber Key bio mentioned his "femmebot lifebond partner." I know of no uses of "femme" on it's own in canon. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Really, the Austin Powers fembots are a pop culture reference to the Bionic Woman fembots. Right down to the faceplates falling off.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
===origin of the term===
OK let's explain that. The way the female transformers are called "femme" is really a reference to the french language in a pun way. You see, "dude" can be translated in French by "mec", which is a slang for "homme" (the french word for "man"). Also, "mec" sound a lot like "mech" (which, but you all know that, is a slang term that refer to battle robots). And there you have it: English word "mech", (which sound like the french word "mec" which means "man" or rather "dude") refers to male robot while the French word "femme" also (used sometimes in English, as in "femme fatale") is used to refer to female transformers, in opposition to mech->mec(French word)->dude->male transformers.
So, the fandom term "femme" does effectively come from a bilingual English-French pun (Mech<->Mec). --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:The problem is, we really need two cites there. First, we need a cite proving that fans ''do'' in fact use "mech" and "femme" in fanfic to refer to male and female Transformers. Then, we need a cite saying that they explictly got this from the French words "femme" and "mec", and not, say, from Ratrap referring to Blackarachnia as an "emasculatin' fembot", from the Futurama "fembots", from the Austin Powers "fembots", or from the Bionic Woman "fembots".
:So, if you can provide a link to some proof of either of those things, we'd be delighted to have it. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::well for your second point, the term in discussion is "femme" not "fembot", no need to melt the two everybody know the term "femme fatal". As for your first point, while I have meet the term several time in different fiction, it is not that often used, so Icouldn't really provide the origin personally. Also, please not that I didn't povide the femme<->mech explanation, I just read it and only further explain the logical link between those two words. Ho and sorry to have missed the footnote, didn't have noticed it. --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't care enough about this to DO IT, but might I suggest that someone who wanted to try and make that case go through the records of the old Alt.transformers.fanfic usenet group from the early days of the fandom and try and track down the earliest uses of the terms in this way, and then see if any of those writers could still be found in the much larger and more disparate fandom of today so they might be asked where they got it from. Who knows if it'd work, but I think it's your only shot at "proof".

::::I don't know about the French Connection, but if you look here, at [http://www.fanfiction.net/cartoon/Transformers_Beast_Wars/|Fanfiction.net's Transformers/Beast Wars section], you'll find LOTS of stories that use the terms "Mech" and "Femme". I especially recommend [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3739984/1/Sparks_and_Plasma|"Sparks and Plasma"], [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3743427/1/What_Time_We_Have_Left|"What Time We Have Left"] and [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3789925/1/Night_Fire|"Night Fire"] as examples of stories that deal with male/female TF relationships in a tastefully and well-written way. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 15:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

One other thing tough. The online translator may be wrong. I have never ever herd the word "mec" used to refer to "pimp". There may be a confusion with "mac" who can basically be translated by "mack". But for "mec" the most accurate translation is "dude" never seen it used for "pimp". --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Please use the Preview button so that you can make your comments using one edit instead of three.
:[http://books.google.com/books?id=-BcYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mec+french+pimp&source=web&ots=5k0ZgdPptF&sig=oIappLss_TdlXGAoliETFT6U5b4&hl=en This says mec = pimp.]
:
:[http://www.ideaswise.com/international_advertising.html Point 14 here says the same.]
:[http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=235&aid=75329 "He was a pimp, or in the French slang, a 'mec.'"]
:[http://stomptokyo.com/movies/irma-la-douce.html Also see the classic movie Irma La Douce, in which Jack Lemmon ends up as Shirley MacLaine's mec.]
:[[User:JW|JW]] 16:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Indeed, I found it too, it seems that the word effectively refer to pimp but in a more positive way (it actually can be translated as "official" lover of the prostitute). But nowadays, it is almost never used in that way and is only used for "dude". [http://www.cnrtl.fr/lexicographie/mec?]--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't know if it's within the scope of the wiki to delve this deeply into fanfiction culture.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Or French culture, for that matter.
:Anyway, I really don't think the current section of the page devoted to this should get any larger, but I think the brief mention we have is okay.
:Plus, the "mech = pimp" bit amuses me. (Corollary: I'm easy to amuse.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:As I have said before,I didn't put the fandom part, I just mentioned the French origin of the term.--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Decepticon Females ==

Should we have a section in here about the relative scarcity of unqualified female Decepticons in high-profile franchises? ("Unqualified" in the sense of "not former Autobots gone bad".) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

: I think that would be a good idea, considering there's only 3 I can think of in North American releases -- Strika in Beast Machines, Flamewar in the Timelines comics (though those were BotCon exclusives so probably don't count) and Thunderblast in Cybertron. We need more bad girls that have always been bad, and will stay that way. I like the idea of '''SPOILERS''' Blackarachnia in Animated being Elita One, but I would still like to see more pure Decepticon femmes as well. A movieverse Decepticon femme would be cool too.

:Hell, I'm just happy that Hasbro's finally realizing that girls [http://www.lilformers.com/comic0075.php] play with Transformers too. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Strika wasn't a ''Decepticon,'' and she (like Obsidian) might have been an Autobot before becoming a Vehicon. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strika's faction, and indeed her role in Cybertron's history, are maddeningly vague.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, so that makes just one female Decepticon who has stayed a Decepticon EVER in any cartoon, and she's ...well, Thunderblast. *Sigh*. At least I can pretend my Arcee black repaint is Flamewar. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Edit revoke ==

Why? [[User:Keeyong|CKY]] 06:37, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Can't answer that question quite as I don't watch TFA, but I've removed that pairing from the list some time ago when behind it came "but it's unclear if their relation is of a romantic level", or something like that. I would guess by that and the reversion that it's currently unclear if they are ''romantically'' involved or just friends. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:27, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== "In fiction" articles ==
I was kind of wondering, this is one of the few articles not really written "in fiction". Large parts of it are "behind the scenes" kind of thing which are usually reserved to the Notes section. "Originally Simon Furman stated that he would not use female Transformers in IDW..." "Arcee was originally going to be featured as part of the cast of the Transformers film, but was cut..."

Are there some articles, like this one, where this is OK? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:32, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I've been wanting to rewrite this article for ages for stuff like this, but well, I suck at writing. As far as I can see, this article has no justification to be an exception to the standards. I'd strongly prefer to see it become look more like a regular "trait"-article (like [[Mini-Cassette]] and [[Triple Changer]]). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:35, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

:I think this article is just fine the way it is, and an "in-universe" rewrite wouldn't improve it in any way. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:00, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:: We do have some out-of-universe articles because they tend to work better that way, such as [[Spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Suggestion for addition to the romances list ==

I propose [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] - [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 12:47, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
: Despite my jokes to the contrary, I really don't think so. There wasn't any romance between them at all, just notions of competition. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
:: There's a lot of fan art out there that would show this but since Override was originally male I don't think there would be an intentional relationship between the two. Still I do like this idea.--[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 16:58, 25 November 2009 (EST)
Key word. Fan [[User:Eire]] 22.15 Nov 25 09 (UTC)
:Yeah I guess. My ideas ar often influenced by watching too many tribute or couples videos on youtube. My one suggestion is [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] - [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] but I'm not sure that really had enough in the fiction other than him worrying about her safety. Also if [[Mega]] counts as a female transformer then her and [[Giga]]. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 17:18, 25 November 2009 (EST)
::We're kind of going for romances that have actually been stated as such or at least strongly hinted at in the fiction. Because trust me, many of the popular "fan ships" have pretty much zero fictional support. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:26, 25 November 2009 (EST)
:::Go read [[Robot-fleshling romance]] not too many aren't just slightly hinted at or are just fan ships. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 17:43, 25 November 2009 (EST)
::::Er... those are all pretty obvious and/or the subject of in-fiction innuendo, actually. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:57, 25 November 2009 (EST)
:::::Sorry to say this but I don't understand what you just said. I'm not sure anything was really hinted at between [[Snowstalker]] and [[Tigatron]] at least and still not all of them could be considered as official ones. But lets get back on the matter at hand now OK? I don't feel like arguing too much about what relationships are really hinted at or not. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 18:07, 25 November 2009 (EST)
::::::Um. That ''is'' the matter at hand. We only include romances with strong in-fiction support/hints on both lists. Ratchet, for instance, doesn't show any potentially romantic feelings towards Arcee other than caring about and being protective of her, and by that criterion you have even more evidence for him and Omega Supreme than you do he and her. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:19, 25 November 2009 (EST)
:::::::Didn't I just say I didn't want to argue about it anymore? Just leave it! When I said about Ratchet and Arcee I just thought they seemed a lot like a likely pair but if you don't want that on the list fine. Can we just stop this now? I'm getting tired. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 18:28, 25 November 2009 (EST)
::::::::I was discussing the matter at hand that you brought up. If you didn't want to discuss that, then you shouldn't have brought it up. Just sayin'. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:57, 25 November 2009 (EST)
:::::::::When I said "matter at hand" I was reffering to Fembots instead of Robot-fleshling romance. OK? Also you were bugging me about how it didn't have actual evidence in the fiction which is what I already said. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 10:21, 26 November 2009 (EST)
::::::::::Like I said, the same criteria applies to both lists, fembot-mech romances as well as human-TF ones. You made some suggestions, I pointed out why they didn't quite fit. That's the point of Talk pages (one of them anyway): you make a suggestion for the article and see if other folks agree. Don't get so upset if people don't. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:35, 26 November 2009 (EST)
:::::::::::Fine but you could have just said there isn't enough fictional evidence and had it over with but instead you made it sound kind of insulting. Can we talk about something else now? I don't think there's enough room left to discuss this any further.--[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 10:41, 26 November 2009 (EST)

== Gallery ==

Is it just me, or would the gallery of toys work better on the [[List of female Transformers]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)
:At the very least, it should be on its own page, or, alternatively, a category, so there isn't 800kb of images on there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:22, 9 December 2009 (EST)
::Maybe a subpage/suite-type thing? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:24, 9 December 2009 (EST)
:::To be honest, I don't see why we need it at all. We already have a list of female characters which links to all of their articles which have toy pictures at the bottom. Why the need to see them all in one place? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:41, 9 December 2009 (EST)
::::I actually agree, but wasn't sure if others did. I brought it up because (if it really needs to be kept) this doesn't seem like the proper place to keep it. Your suggestion of a category is looking better and better. Anyone else want to weigh in? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:44, 9 December 2009 (EST)
:::::...I could note that we already ''have'' a [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 9 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Probably best to remove the gallery and just insert a link to the category page, then. Of course, I still feel it should be on the "List" page instead of this one. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 9 December 2009 (EST)
:::::::There is little harm in having a link to a category in multiple places. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 18:29, 9 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Dirge (Animated)

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==US release==

"Part of the fifth wave of Activators along with Cliffjumper, both bots saw regular release in European markets, but as of this writing(Apr-17-09), have received hardly any US release." 
Are you sure? I live in Philadelphia and saw them at K-mart a few months back. I don't think my area would've been the only one. {{unsigned|98.235.18.165}}
: K-mart, huh? Well, you're probably one of the very very few who've ever seen any! I had to get mine shipped from New Zealand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:12, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I saw two of each at my Wal-Mart. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 17:25, 16 May 2009 (EDT)
: They are starting to hit the United States in number. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:58, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

The non-show character has a model sheet? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:47, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:If it did, it would have been in the Almanac. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 13:54, 8 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Shokaract

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I don't have The Ascension. Can someone who does get a scan of Shokaract in crab mode? (Is he ever in crab mode? If not, another scan of him doing something neato is cool.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 8 December 2009 (EST)
:I just uploaded [[:Image:Ascending 3 Shokaract crab.jpg|this]], although it's somewhat redundant with [[:Image:Iwanttwo.JPG|that]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 December 2009 (EST)
::I could get you the sourcebook picture of him as a crab.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 12:42, 8 December 2009 (EST)

Christmas

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For more images, please visit the '''[[Christmas/Gallery|Gallery]]'''.</div>
[[Image:Christmasprime.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Prime's Alpha Trion disguise fooled few.]]
'''Christmas''' is a holiday celebrated by [[Human|humans]] on [[December 25]], commemorating the birth of someone called "[[Jesus|Christ]]." It seems to revolve around the exchange of material goods, the slaughter and festooning of conifers, and the consumption of roasted avians. More importantly, it is the locus of a powerful "spirit" manifesting in charity, goodwill, and appreciation. Even [[Starscream (G1)|hardened]] [[Dreadwind (G1)|Decepticon]] [[Darkwing|warriors]] and [[Circuit Breaker|vengeance-driven humans]] are subject to its influence.

[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Some]] [[Grimlock (G1)|Autobots]] have been known to don a [[Transformer clothing|red outfit]] with a bushy, white [[Facial hair|beard]] as part of the Christmas ritual. While not the most extreme example of [[Pretender|quasi-fetishistic anthropomorphization]] among [[Transformer|Transformers]], this case is notable in its lack of explanation. Perhaps it is related to the similarly-opaque "Christ" figure at the center of the holiday.

Another human custom, [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]], is rumored to be the busiest day of shopping for the material goods needed for exchange on Christmas.

{{quote|Christmas: Date — December 25th. Annual festival celebrating Christ's birth. Features include family reunion, gift-giving...|Starscream's "Internal Data File"|"[[Stargazing]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel UK Generation 1 comics===
*The magic of Christmas made [[Circuit Breaker]] not kill [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]. {{storylink|Christmas Breaker!}}

*The magic of Christmas made [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and the [[Autobot]]s do the power company's repair work. {{storylink|The Night the Transformers Saved Christmas}}

*The magic of Christmas made [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] appreciate his [[Earth]] heritage. {{storylink|The Gift}}

*The magic of Christmas made [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] realize that even if he doesn't care, helping people can make him feel... well, he still doesn't really care. {{storylink|Stargazing}}

*The magic of Christmas made [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] wear the Santa costume. So [[:Image:Biggrim christmas.jpg|cute]]! {{storylink|Stargazing}}

*The magic of Christmas made [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] renew his pledge to protect Earth. {{storylink|Cold Comfort and Joy!}}

*The magic of <s>free wine</s> Christmas made [[Darkwing]] and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] [[:Image:MarvelUK-250.jpg|switch sides]]! {{storylink|The Greatest Gift Of All!}}

*Optimus Prime shared a little of his own Christmas magic, healing environmental damage with a chunk of the Matrix. {{storylink|The Greatest Gift of All!}}

God bless us, every one.

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comics===
*The magic of Christmas made [[Iceberg]] be fascinated with it. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (Armada)|More Than Meets The Eye: Armada}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
* The magic of Christmas turned the Autobots into humans! Well, it wasn't so much the magic of Christmas as it was [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] plugging them into a virtual reality world, but it could have if it chose to. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}
*The magic of Christmas would also free [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] from his entrapment in the lake bed, giving [[Sari Sumdac]] another ally in stopping Soundwave. It would also entice Wreck-Gar to give garbage to all the good little girls and boys! {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

===Revenge of the Fallen Titan magazine===

* According to [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], Christmas is a time when humans gather together, exchange presents and no one shoots anyone. [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] obviously doesn't like the "no shooting" part. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7 #Contents #Law and Disorder|Law and Disorder}}
* The magic of Christmas even got Ironhide to give Barricade a present he says was from Ratchet. It's a large fist shaped object he had in a cardboard box on the end of his arm. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.7 #Contents #Law and Disorder|Law and Disorder}}

==External links==
*[[wikipedia:Christmas|Christmas at Wikipedia]]

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[[Category:Earth culture]]
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Cybertronian language

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{{disambig3|Languages}}
It should be little surprise, given a moment's thought, that distinct '''Cybertronian languages''' exist. The [[Transformer]]s did not go about speaking English or any other known [[Earth]] language long ages ago on their [[Cybertron (planet)|distant metal world]]. Though the records of such conversations are frequently translated for us, we should not forget that these conversations originally flowed in odd electronic syllables past strange metallic lips, or were etched by alien hands long eons before the first humans painted muddy shapes upon dark cave stone.

==Fiction==
===Generation One===
====Marvel Generation 1 comics====
[[Image:Marvel Issue 23 Page 09 Graffiti.jpg|right|100px|thumb|"I logged on to your mom."]]
[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] made the statement that his real name was unpronounceable in English. {{storylink|Man of Iron!}}

[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] and [[Runabout]] sprayed Cybertronian graffiti across Earth monuments. They were taken aback to realize that the earthlings couldn't comprehend their alien language wit. {{storylink|Decepticon Graffiti!}}
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====Generation 1 cartoon====
[[Image:Quintesson Writing.jpg|left|160px|thumb|So it's true. The Pyramids were built by aliens.]]
The first language used by the Transformers was likely the '''Quintesson language''' inherited from their former masters. It can be seen upon the walls of the [[Quintesson]] dimensional transporter room. It rather resembles Egyptian hieroglyphs. {{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}

[[Image:AncientAuto.gif|right|200px|thumb|Ancient Autobot, on the other hand, eschewed pictures of birdies.]]
'''Ancient Autobot''' was the language used by the ancient Autobot colonists that fled Cybertron in the distant past. Most modern Transformers (or at least the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]) could not read it. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

The controls of the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] were labeled in '''Ancient Cybertronian''', which [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] did not recognize but [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] was able to read. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

In contrast, the language used by the [[Autobot|Autobots]] when they first awoke in 1984 was easily learned. Spike Witwicky learned to read '''Modern Autobot''' after only knowing the Transformers for a single day. (Autobots and humans could also converse freely on their first encounter, though the hows and whys aren't addressed onscreen.) {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2}}
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However in the episode The Golden Lagoon, Beachcomber uses a built-in translation program in an attempt to translate bird song, without much success. Presumably, all Transformers possess this translation program and not just Beachcomber. It's possible that when Teletraan One was first reactivated and went about scanning earth "life forms" that it also scanned and translated earth languages. It could have also downloaded it into each Transformer as it repaired them, explaining why both the Autobots and Decepticons could speak English right off the bat.

====IDW Comic====
Alien writing is displayed on a computer screen that Wheeljack is working on. {{storylink|...For All Mankind}}

====Beast Era====
{{Main|Cybertronix}}

''See also [[Vok#Symbols|Vok symbols]].''

===Robots in Disguise cartoon===
{{stub}}

===Unicron Trilogy===
[[Image:Cybertron atlantis glyphs.jpg|right|200px|thumb|]]
Writing is displayed on a viewscreen of the starship [[Atlantis]]. {{storylink|Ship}}
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===Transformers Animated===
====Animated Cartoon====
[[Image:Bulkhead's postit notes.jpg|thumb|200 px| right|]]
There is writing outside of [[Jazz (Animated)| Jazz's]] quarters on the [[Steelhaven (Animated)|Elite Guard flagship]]. {{storylink|Five Servos of Doom}}

Later, [[Bulkhead (Animated) | Bulkhead]] leaves yellow PostIt-style notes on his [[space bridge]] controls. [[Ratchet (Animated) | Ratchet]] has a hard time deciphering them, as Bulkhead's servos are not designed for "penbotship".{{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

====The Arrival====
[[Image:The_Nemesis_with_writing_from_The_Arrival_1.jpg|thumb|200 px| left|]]
As [[Ultra Magnus (Animated) | Ultra Magnus]] and the [[Cybertron Elite Guard | Elite Guard]] review what they know about the first battle between [[Optimus Prime (Animated) | Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Animated) | Megatron]], an image of the [[Nemesis (Animated) | Nemesis]] appears on a screen with labels in a written language.{{storylink|Dispatches}} This language is different from instances of writing used in the show.
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===Live-action ''Transformers'' movies===
''See also [[Cyberglyphics]]
[[Image:Agoraptor post.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Agoraptor post]]
====''Ghosts of Yesterday'' prequel novel====
As they fled from the ''[[Ark (Movie)|Ark]]'', the crew members of the vessel ''[[Ghost 1]]'' were able to pick up the transmissions from the Autobots. They thought that one might be able to make out words from the spoken language of the Autobots if they had a degree in theoretical physics...and were tripping on bad acid. {{storylink|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

====Transformers (2007 film)====
The Decepticons communicate with each other in a spoken language, which to human ears sounds like a collection of vowel-intensive electronic noises and rumbles. They have also learned enough English to communicate with the humans when necessary. [[Cyberglyphics]] convince [[Sector Seven]] that there is some relationship between [[Megatron (Movie) | Megatron]] and the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]].{{storylink|Transformers (2007)}}

====The AllSpark Wars====
[[Agoraptor]] and [[Agoracer]] each communicate in a kind of code, based on Cybertronian lettering.{{storylink|AllSpark Wars}}

===Shattered Glass===
The [[Around Cybertron]] news program features both advertisements and a news scroll at the bottom of the screen written in Autobot text. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 28}}

An [[Autobot#Shattered_Glass|Autobot]] [[Stellar Spanner|stellar spanner]] is marked CWP274 in Autobot characters.

Elsewhere, a box in the [[Decepticon#Shattered_Glass|Decepticon]] Base is marked 'fragile' in Decepticon characters.{{storylink|Blitzwing Bop}}
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==Toys==
[[Image:Wings of Honor Banzai-Tron motto.jpg|thumb|200 px|right|]]
===Universe 2008 "Classic Series"===
The packaging art for many of the "Classic Series" toys in the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'' line]] features movie-like "tribal markings" on the characters, going along with the more movie-like renditions of the characters.

More directly, the [[Legends Class|Legends-class]] [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] toy has his name written on his vehicle mode in Cybertronian lettering.

===Timelines===
[[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]] features his original [[Tech Spec]] motto, "To the victor go the profits," in Autobot text along the side of his vehicle mode.

==Trivia==
* The lettering used in by Agoracer in the AllSpark Wars is taken from the "Ancient Autobot" font created by [[Jim Sorenson]] in the late '90s. This font was loosely based on the writing in Cosmic Rust. The AllSpark Wars, as the first official usage of the font, [[Retcon|retconned]] a canonical order to the language.
* Likewise, the lettering used by Agoraptor used Sorenson's Decepticon Graffiti font, based on the writing from Decepticon Graffiti!.
* The Ancient Autobot font has since shown up on Banzai-Tron's Timelines toy, on [[Burger King]]'s [[Transform Your Way]] promotion, as a part of the [[Around Cybertron]] news broadcast, and on the cover to [[All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron volume 3]].
* The Decepticon Graffiti font has since been used as a part of the [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)| Revenge of the Fallen video game]].
[[Image:Autobot Translations.jpg|left|350px|thumb|Autobot Characters]]
[[Image:Decepticon Translations.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Decepticon Characters]]
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==Files==
* [[:Image:Autobot Characters.TTF| Autobot Writing True Type Font]]
* [[:Image:Decepticon Writing.TTF| Decepticon Writing True Type Font]]

==See also==
*[[Cybertronix]]
*[[Cyberglyphics]]
*[[Languages (disambiguation)| Other Languages]]

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Machines]]
[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]
[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass]]
[[Category:Transformer culture]]

Blaster Blues

2009-11-03T17:27:23Z

63.203.180.99: /* Trivia */ ugh, that was terrible

{{episode
|series=G1toon
|ep=39
|series2=SRLFtoon
|ep2=50
|image=BlasterBlues Megatron threatens Blaster.jpg
|caption=
|title="Blaster Blues"
|production code=#700-38
|airdate=[[October 23]], 1985
|written by=[[Larry Strauss]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''The Decepticons hijack Earth's airwaves. Yet somehow, you are still able to watch this episode.'''

:''Japanese title:'' ブロードキャスト・ブルース (''Broadcast Blues'')

==Synopsis==
[[Image:Blasterbluesconcertcrowd.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Did Spike and Carly take an Autobot on all of their dates?]]

[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Carly]] are at a rock concert, having taken [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] along for the music. Enjoying the concert, Spike wishes that the rest of the [[Autobot]]s could hear the music, so Blaster begins transmitting to all of them. Off in space, [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] gets a real kick out of the music.

At the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] are observing [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s target practice on [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]], when Blaster's music from the concert begins playing on their channel. Sparkplug and most of the Autobots are not enjoying the overwhelming volume, but [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] gets the chance to show off his dancing skills.

At the [[Haley Observatory]], [[Professor Haley]] introduces his new creation, the [[Voltronic Galaxer]], to his fellow scientists. The device is intended to translate Earth's recordings into other languages and broadcast them into space, in search of intelligent life. Seemingly, the Transformers don't count. During his first test of the device, the scientist is quite surprised when he gets a response...which turns to horror when he sees it's the Decepticons. [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], as he is oft wont to do, begins firing randomly, but [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] orders him to stop, saying that they need the voltronic galaxer.

[[Image:Blasterbluesonthemoon.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Kremzeek!]]

At the Autobot base, Optimus Prime is so annoyed by the music that he outright tells Blaster to "shut up", but to no avail. Only a distress call from the scientist finally gets Blaster to stop. After the Autobots arrive at the observatory, they find that the Decepticons have already fled with their prize. Optimus Prime vows to find it and bring the voltronic galaxer back.

Splitting up into groups, the Autobots begin the search. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], Spike and Carly have already searched half the hemisphere, while Cosmos and Blaster are searching outer space. They locate the Decepticons on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], where Megatron is plotting to take control of Earth's radio airwaves. Blaster and Cosmos are caught, however, before they can contact the Autobots. Blaster is forced into use as a transcrambler, while Cosmos powers the device. Megatron orders the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] to return to Earth as the radio blackout commences.

[[Image:Blasterbluesprimedirectstraffic.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Prime's day job]]

On Earth, the communications blackout is scrambling even the Autobots' radio channels. [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] barely manage to stop a forest fire, while [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] free motorists trapped on a frozen highway, where [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] attack.

At an airport, Powerglide is attempting to land, when Starscream and [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] attack, damaging both Powerglide and Optimus Prime. Spike manages to strap a jet pack onto Powerglide, giving him some extra boost. As Megatron begins broadcasting his demands to Earth, Blaster plays music from the concert on the same channel. Carly recognizes the tunes and manages to track the transmission back to the Moon. They head for the Autobot base. Carly does some quick repairs on Optimus then the two teens and Powerglide load Prime onto Omega, who takes them to space.

[[Image:Blasterbluespgcarriesprime.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I'm not paid enough to carry this around.]]

Once Omega lands on the Moon, Megatron and Astrotrain attack him. Omega manages to get his hand on Megatron, but Astrotrain rams Omega in train mode, causing him to release Megatron. Astrotrain then flees and Omega transforms into rocket mode and follows. Seeing Optimus Prime defenseless, Megatron decides to hit him while he's down, only for the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] to reactivate just in time to defend himself.

[[Image:Blasterbluesop%26mdance.jpg|left|200px|thumb|One shall stand and one shall... oh, you know the drill.]]

With no one to guard them, Blaster and Cosmos cause the voltronic galaxer to receive feedback and explode. Seeing his latest technology ruined, Megatron retreats. After freeing them, Blaster mentions that he could rebuild the Decepticon moon base into a new Autobot base. Cosmos likes the idea, as it would give him some company. Optimus agrees, but orders him to keep an eye on his volume.

Soon, however, Blaster is back to transmitting loud rock music over the air waves again. Some stereos never learn.

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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (3)
*[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] (4)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] (6)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (8)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (9)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (14)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (15)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (16)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (17)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (18)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (19)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (20)
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (21)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (22)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (24)
*[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (25)
*[[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] (26)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (30)
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (31)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (33)

|c2=
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (11)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (12)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (13)
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (23)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (35)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (36)

|c3=
*[[Carly]] (1)
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (2)
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (7)
*[[Professor Haley]] (10)
*Air Traffic Controllers (27)
*Pilot (28)
*Railroad workers (29)
*Meteorologist (31)
*Motorists (34)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Optimus''': My audio receptors! What is that noise?! 
'''Hoist''': Humans call it music. 
'''Sparkplug''': Not ''this'' human! 
'''Jazz''': Sounds all right to me.
:—Sparkplug and the Autobots share their opinions on Blaster's choice in music.

"The Earth is but a speck on the arm of the universe."
:—'''Human scientist''' bolstering his race's importance in the cosmos.

"Blaster! Decrease volume! ... Blaster! '''SHUT UP!'''"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' in another fine example of subordinate management.

'''Ironhide''': Where did that call originate? 
'''Optimus''': I don't know! All I can hear is that '''BLASTED BLASTER'''!
:—[[Peter Cullen]]'s annoyance at Blaster's loud music.

"Hey, talk about no place. I can't even get a bottom 40 station out here."
:—'''Blaster''' doesn't enjoy outer space duty inside Cosmos.

"It's Blaster!" 
"Why that son of an 8-track."
:—'''Ratchet''' and '''Trailbreaker'''

"Release Autobots, Megatron!" 
"Never!" 
"Reeeelease them!"
:—'''Omega Supreme''' adds some "hands on" pressure to dealing with '''Megatron'''

"Looks like the big boy needs a little training!"
:—'''Astrotrain''', proving the pun is indeed mightier than the sword. Unfortunately, it's not as mighty as Omega Supreme.

"Parting is such sweet sorrow."
:—'''Megatron''', preparing to kill a defenseless Optimus Prime with a Shakespeare quote.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
* When Spike cheers on Omega Supreme, both his lips ''and'' Carly's are moving.
* When Astrotrain rams Omega Supreme's leg, Omega holds still for two seconds, then drops Megatron.

===Continuity errors===
* In the [[Kid Rhino]] DVD version, at the end of the episode, Prime yells at Blaster at the end for his loud music but the music sound effect is missing, so Prime yells at Blaster for no apparent reason.

===Transformers references===
[[Image:Blasterbluestrailerchase.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Last one out of the parking lot gets stuck with the check.]]
* During the scene at the observatory, Optimus transforms and drives away, and there is an extended moment where his trailer drives off after him to catch up.
* The joy of size changing: Blaster rides inside Cosmos to the moon, and in the next scene Cosmos and Blaster are side by side and Blaster is almost twice as tall as Cosmos.

===Trivia===
* Jazz has righteous moves, but they are limited by his bulky body.
* Omega Supreme actually uses whole sentences in this episode. That's just crazy.
* The depicted activities of any Transformer on the Moon do not bear any resemblance to the movements of creatures under gravity one-sixth that of Earth's own.
* You have to wonder if Megatron thought out all the parts to this plan, given that it would be a lot easier for human society to adapt to life without radio, than life without electricity, petroleum and fossil fuels, and so on... Actually, how would we use said radio waves without the power resources the 'Cons would strip out of the planet in exchange for ceasing their jamming?

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/blaster_blues.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

[[Category:Generation 1 episodes]]

Autobot

2009-11-03T03:42:34Z

63.203.180.99: 'group' is called 'collective noun' in this context

{{factions|autobot|autobotg2|ttautobot|sgAutobot}}
{{disambig2|the faction|Generation 2 watch-Autobot|Autobot (G2)}}
[[Image:Autobot symbol.png|right|250px|thumb|If you don't recognize this symbol, what the heck are you doing here?]]

{{quote|[['Til all are one]].|Autobot rally cry|''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''}}

The '''Autobots''' are one of the primary factions in the [[Transformer]]s mythos. They usually find themselves defending both their own race and other species against the [[Decepticon]]s and upholding justice and freedom throughout the galaxy.

They are considered "the good guys" in most, but not in [[Shattered Glass|all]] Transformers stories.

A generally heroic, honorable group, they tend to be dedicated to peace, and feel a need to protect other races from the Decepticons. As a result, they are usually Transformers who change into non-combat oriented alternate modes such as domestic vehicles, cars, trucks, or rescue vehicles. This is not ''always'' the case, however, as their ranks certainly contain ne'er-do-wells, malcontents, and unsavory types, and the necessities of war have led many to adopt more combat-oriented alternate forms. While the Autobots have usually found themselves outnumbered by the Decepticons, the Autobots have always had home-field advantage, having not only the humans' military support, but also having more places on Earth to fall back on, while the Decepticons are entirely unwelcome on Earth.

Key concepts that repeat throughout most continuities are the use of the name [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] (or a variation thereof) to denote Autobot leadership, and the existence of an artifact of great life-giving power, usually referred to as a "[[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]", traditionally held by their leader.

The collective noun for Autobots (like ''pride of lions'', ''murder of crows'', or ''bewilderment of Architects'') is an "exaltation."<ref><tt>...more dangerous than an exaltation of Autobots.</tt> — [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]] (2009) p 101</ref>

:''Japanese name:'' '''Cybertron''' (サイバトロン ''Saibatoron'')
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Autobotok'''
:''Italian name:'' '''Autorobot'''
:''Polish name:'' '''Autoboty'''
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic):'' '''Autobóticos'''
:''Portuguese name (Brazil comic):'' '''Optimus'''

==Generation 1 / Beast Era==
===Marvel comics continuity===
====Generation 1 comics====
[[Image:Primag2.jpg|left|200px|thumb|The birth of Prima, the first Autobot. Just before Primus went around handing out cigars.]]
In the beginning [[Primus]] created the Transformers, a race of living robots that could change their bodies into the likeness of weapons, vehicles, and machinery, and all Transformers were Autobots, and he saw that they were good. The Autobot symbol (or [[Autobrand]] as it is sometimes called) was based on the face of the [[Last Autobot]], the sleeping guardian Primus left for the day when his plans came to fruition.

At first Autobot numbers were small (a mere [[Thirteen original Transformers|13]] began things), but through [[Reproduction|budding]] they expanded their race to fill the planet. When the correct level of population was reached, a mechanism triggered and memory of the process was wiped from the Transformers minds. At some point in these early days Unicron was able to reach through the mental link he shared with Primus and sow the seeds of corruption in a few Autobots, though this dark cult of Unicron would not bear fruit for a long time.

Eons passed in relative peace. Autobot society formed its own traditions, institutions, city-states and politics. From a human perspective this society resembled that of ancient Rome. [[Senators]] and [[Emirates]] governed wisely or corruptly, priests worshipped Primus and passed his holy Matrix to the chosen bearer (the lineage: [[Prima]] to [[Prime Nova]], Prime Nova to [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]), gladiatorial games were held for sport and entertainment, and above it all the [[Overlord (rank)|Overlords]] ruled.

It was only with the advent of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] at the end of the [[Golden Age]], coinciding with the death of the last hereditary Overlord, and the subsequent rise of the Decepticons, that the words "Autobot" and "Transformer" ceased being necessary synonyms and the population was divided by war.

[[Image:Optimusprimeg1marvelfirst.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Optimus Prime appears to turn the tide.]]
In the early days of the war the Autobots were overwhelmed by the Decepticon war machine. They fell back again and again and for a while it looked like the war would be quickly lost... and then a young warrior rose from their ranks and rallied the troops to fight back. He made his reputation by denying Megatron access to the [[Underbase]], soon rose to command the Autobots' elite air corps, and then, at last, was granted full command of all Autobot armies. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] had turned the tide, and under his leadership the Autobots fought back until Megatron's war machine was stalled out and stalemated.

The war ground on until Autobot scientists detected that their planet's path was going to pass through a deadly asteroid belt. Putting the planet-wide conflict aside for the moment they turned their attention to planetary salvation and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] was built.

[[Image:Autobotline.gif|left|400px|thumb|And now, shadow puppet theatre.]]
Optimus and a crew of his best soldiers took the Ark into space and cleared a path for the planet through the asteroid field. Unfortunately with their power depleted from that Herculean task they were then ambushed by Megatron and his Decepticons. The crews of both ships were lost to history.

Without Megatron or Prime the pace of the war slowed considerably. Still, fighting continued and both sides dug in for a long bitter struggle. In Prime’s absence [[Emirate Xaaron]] led the Autobot forces in their struggle to retake their homeworld.

[[Image:Autobots-disintegratedcircuits1.jpg|thumb|right|250px| ]]

The next four million years passed quickly (as it is wont to do) and without any major alteration (only a general degradation) of the situation. Finally news came to Cybertron: Optimus Prime and his forces lived! Yet this news came at a steep price, as it meant a new front had opened in the war. Optimus Prime and his forces fought the Decepticons on the distant world of Earth, while Xaaron, his [[Wrecker]]s, and others carried on the war for Cybertron.

Despite Prime's dedication to protecting Earth, Autobot/Human relations were not good. Humanity viewed all Transformers as threats and attacked any they discovered regardless of faction. Industrialist [[G.B. Blackrock]] tried to inform the public that there were two factions, with the Autobots being the benign faction, but the [[Intelligence and Information Institute]], the government agency tasked with countering the Transformers, was either unable or unwilling to distinguish between factions.

Not long after his survival was discovered, tragedy struck and Optimus Prime was killed on Earth. The Dinobot commander [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] took on the leadership of Prime's soldiers, though he favored the abandonment of Earth and a renewed focus on Cybertron.

At roughly the same time, the great Autobot warrior [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] reached an important decision. He was tired of the war and if he could not end it he would leave it behind. Gathering a large following of likeminded warriors he left Cybertron for the world of Nebulos in hopes of a new and peaceful life. This was not to be. Decepticons followed Maximus and opened a third front to the war. In the end both factions abandoned Nebulos and Maximus led them to Earth to unite with the forces under Optimus Prime.

[[Image:LastAutobot.jpg|left|150px|thumb|From Prima to Last Autobot, we come full circle. You may close your notebooks.]]
However, when they arrived they discovered Prime dead and Grimlock less than welcoming. Grimlock and Maximus attempted to establish a single Autobot leader with trial by combat, but were interrupted by a devastating Decepticon attack. The upside of it all was that they ended up putting their differences aside and Optimus Prime was soon reborn to take up leadership of the Earth-based forces once again.

Not long after, a dimensional transporter accident led to the rediscovery and accidental disturbance of Primus deep in the center of Cybertron. The Autobots learned that their ancient myths about Primus were the truth, and Unicron was now coming for them. Since the Creation Matrix had been lost and corrupted, Optimus Prime offered the Autobots' unconditional surrender to the Decepticons in the hopes that this would lead the two factions to stand together against the coming threat. It did, and the Matrix was retrieved and purified in time to stop Unicron. Both Optimus Prime and Emirate Xaaron were killed in the battle, and Grimlock ascended to Autobot leadership again, this time over all Autobots.

The alliance with the Decepticons would be short lived. Cybertron appeared to be destroying itself and the Decepticons betrayed the Autobots, leaving them to die with their world. Grimlock’s leadership led to the Autobots escaping that trap, and walking right into a different one. Oops. Thankfully, the awakening of the Last Autobot saved Cybertron and led to the rebirth of Optimus Prime, who reclaimed Autobot leadership and beat the Decepticons once and for all.

''(From this point both the Marvel Generation 2 and the Fun Publication's Classics comics continue the story in separate and mutually exclusive directions.)''

====Generation 2 comic====
The war finally over, most of the Autobots retired to the revived and prosperous Cybertron. It wasn't to last. Grimlock led a crew of Autobots not ready to take a vacation and put their feet up to try and track down any remaining Decepticon trouble. They found more than they could imagine as they discovered a vast and militant Empire constructed across the stars by Decepticons who left Cybertron long ago.

At the same time, Megatron reared his head again on Earth and soon the surviving Decepticons from the end of the war joined him, intent on restarting the war on Earth. It was not long before Decepticons and Autobots were teamed up against the forces of the Cybertronian Empire. Though this new conflict never touched the revived Cybertron, Earth was devastated by it. The Bot/Con alliance won, but how long this new alliance would last and what [[Liege Maximo|new threats]] awaited remained a question.

===FP Timelines Classics comic===
''(Continuing from the end of the Marvel Generation 1 series.)''

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===Generation 1 cartoon===
[[Image:Aubotot gladiator.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A Quint slave robot who would later become Autobot leader and bearer of the Matrix: [[U-Haul Robot]] lived in the era before cool names were invented.]]
The Autobots originated as non-living machines, specifically the [[Quintesson]]s' domestic slave robot line. The Autobot symbol was in fact the original Quintesson slave brand. They generally have blue glowing optics. ''(Though the series did not always abide by it, there was some attempt to establish the fact that Autobots could not fly unaided in robot mode while the Decepticons generally could).''

Having achieved sentience and emotion against their creator's expectations, they rebelled and together with the Quintessons' military hardware (the future Decepticons) achieved freedom and kicked their masters to the curb. ''(Of note: no Decepticons are seen in the bits of the rebellion we are witness to, but it is presumed they took part nonetheless.)''

For a time peace reigned. But the military hardware grew restless and eventually declared war on their peace-loving brothers and sisters. During this dark time many ships of Autobot refugees left Cybertron to try to form peaceful colonies elsewhere in the universe.

Eventually the millitary robots were defeated when the Autobots invented the art of [[transforming]]. A new peace settled over Cybertron and what became known as the [[Golden Age]] began. This age was characterized by peace, prosperity, and an abundance of energy such that the metal of the whole planet literally glowed golden with its power. [[Guardian robot]]s patrolled the planet and helped keep the peace.

But eventually the Decepticons acquired the art of transforming as well. Megatron was born and under his leadership they rose up against the Autobots once more. U-Haul Robot was killed by Megatron and passed the Matrix of Leadership to [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] who held it safe until a young robot named Orion Pax was injured in one of Megatron's raids and rebuilt by Trion into the first of a new breed of Autobots specifically designed to combat the Decepticons. Thus Optimus Prime was born and under his leadership the Decepticons were stalemated.

The war raged on and eventually drained the entire planet of its once-rich sources of energy, leaving it a damaged, burnt-out gray husk of its former self. With no other choice the Autobots constructed the Ark, designed to fly Optimus Prime and his comrades to other planets in the search for new sources of energy.

The Ark launch bay was attacked just prior to lift-off and the [[Female Autobots]] under the command of [[Elita One]] vanished in the explosions. They were presumed destroyed by both sides, but actually survived to continue underground operations against Shockwave's regime on Cybertron.

[[Image:CosmicRust-BigGroup.jpg|left|300px|thumb|"Incompetent fools! There's only like seven Decepticons and fifty of us!"]]
Ambushed by the Decepticons, the Ark crashed into a nearby planet, named [[Earth]]. Crashing into a volcano, the impact rendered all the passengers, including members of both factions, into [[stasis lock]]. They were brought back online when the volcano erupted, and immediately resumed combat, this time on Earth.

The Autobots dedicated themselves to protecting Earth and its inhabitants from Megatron's forces. Their relationship with Earth's human governments and population were generally positive and mutually beneficial.

By 2005, the Decepticons had driven the Autobots from Cybertron, and they were now forced to operate out of two bases on Cybertron's moons with a reserve force at [[Autobot City]] on Earth. The Decepticons hijacked a supply shuttle, [[Battle of Autobot City|laying siege to Autobot City]]. The battle saw the deaths of many Autobots, including Optimus Prime, who in turn passed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. However, [[Unicron]] arrived and devoured the two moons. Megatron, who had been reformatted into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], stole the Matrix from Magnus, intending to use it against Unicron. Galvatron could not open the Matrix, and Unicron proceeded to attack Cybertron, decimating the Decepticon forces on the planet. However, the young Autobot [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] managed to take the Matrix from Galvatron, causing him to become Rodimus Prime. He opened the Matrix, causing Unicron's body to self destruct. Leaderless, the Decepticons fled the planet, and the Autobots reclaimed Cybertron.

The Autobots remained in control of Cybertron for the next few years, slowly working to revitalize their homeworld. They fairly easily fought off feints by the Quintessons and the remaining Decepticon forces. Eventually Optimus Prime was revived and resumed Autobot leadership. It wasn't until Galvatron launched an all out attack on Cybertron's [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] that the balance again threatened to tip the Decepticons' way. Thankfully it turned out all had been arranged by [[Vector Sigma]] to set in motion the repowering of Cybertron. The Decepticons were defeated, and Cybertron glowed golden with energy reborn at last.

''('''Note:''' in Japan, during [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]], the Cybertrons who transformed into automobiles were referred to as a subgroup of the faction called "Autobots".)''

===Beast Wars cartoon===
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The Autobots won the Great War, and their descendants the [[Maximal]]s succeeded them. It's unclear what happened to the Autobots, though followup series provided more clues.

===Beast Machines cartoon===
[[Image:ProwlMaybe BM.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Where's your Pax Cybertronia now?]]
When [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] subdued Cybertron's population with his [[Transformation lock virus|virus]], he extracted their sparks and used their bodies as raw materials for building [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]]. [[Optimus Primal]] and his team discovered a junkyard/factory with acres of these corpses, one of which very clearly bore the Autobot symbol (and an uncanny resemblance to [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]). {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery}} Also, among the [[Vehicon general]]s were the revived Great War veterans [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]], who may have been Autobots themselves. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike}}

===3H comics===
Many of the great Autobot and Decepticon heroes (such as Optimus Prime, Grimlock, Soundwave, and Megatron) retired to a strange quasi-reality called [[J'nwan]]. Almost all who tried to reach J'nwan and seek their aid succumbed to madness, and the ancient heroes did not appreciate being disturbed by any survivors. However, the great figures did eventually decide to fight once more at [[Omega Point]], an event which erased much of the timeline they had come from. It's unclear whether or not J'nwan or the events regarding it remained intact.

===IDW Beast Wars comics===
The three components of the combiner [[Magnaboss]] are the Autobots [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]. They vanished after the [[Pax Cybertronia]] was signed, but it is said they will return in a time of great need. {{storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}

===DW Generation 1 comic===
[[Image:AutoLitho.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Come on you bots! Do you want to live forever?!?]]
The Autobots arose as the group who sided with Sentinel Prime and the [[Council of Ancients]] and opposed Megatron's desire for the conquest of Cybertron, but their inexperience with warfare led to a serious tactical disadvantage. Sentinel Prime led the war effort for half a million years, until Megatron killed him in combat, hoping to secure the Matrix from him. Sentinel's successor, Optimus Prime, originally decided to evacuate Cybertron, fearing that, even if the Autobots won, Cybertron would be a wasteland. However, a subsequent encounter between Optimus Prime and Megatron, where he learned of the planetary engines the Decepticon leader hoped to power with the Matrix, convinced Prime to remain on Cybertron. {{storylink|The War Within}}

Later, Optimus Prime and Megatron disappeared in a space bridge explosion. Without strong leadership, both sides degenerated into factions. The [[Wrecker]]s and the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]] broke off from the main Autobot army, which was led by Prowl {{storylink|The War Within: The Dark Ages}}. After [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] took control of the Autobots, he reunified the factions, and manage to negotiate a cease-fire with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave's]] Decepticons and Ratbat's [[Ultracon]]s. However, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream's]] [[Predacon (War Within)|Predacons]] made a last ditch assault, and Megatron suddenly returned leading the [[Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], an army of [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] drones created by the Quintessons. Megatron managed to conquer Cybertron, forcing most of the Autobots into slavery and the escapees into hiding. The period of Autobot enslavement ended when Optimus Prime returned to Cybertron and the Air Warriors were destroyed. ''We don't know how.'' {{storylink|War Within: The Age of Wrath|The War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

Four million years before humans arose, Cybertron was threatened by a massive asteroid. The Autobots developed the ''Ark'' to destroy the asteroid. They were successful, but Megatron attacked with the ''Nemesis''. Both ships crashed on Earth, with both crews aboard the ''Ark''. On Cybertron, Ultra Magnus and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] worked to keep the Autobots from splitting up again. With energon growing scarce, Magnus agreed to work with Shockwave to create the [[Micromaster]]s, downsized Transformers intended for better fuel efficiency. Magnus also launched [[Operation: Containment]], a twofold program intended to prevent the Decepticons from threatening other planets and locating the ''Ark''. {{storylink|Micromasters}} However, with the [[Great Shutdown]], all Transformers entered a period of enforced [[stasis lock]]. Shockwave was the first to be reactivated, and made peace with the Autobots, installing himself as Head of State with an Autobot High Council as a legislature.

On Earth, the Autobots on the ''Ark'' awoke in 1984. Cut off from Cybertron, and seeing that a sentient species had evolved around them, the Autobots resolved to defend Earth from the Decepticons. Over the next fifteen years, the Autobots were largely successful at preventing a Decepticon conquest, while also befriending the [[Witwicky]] family. Eventually, the Autobots allied with the humans and defeated the Decepticons, capturing them. However, rogue elements of the United States Military, apparently being manipulated by Shockwave, sabotaged the ''[[Ark II]]'', capturing several Autobots and most of the Decepticons, until the chief scientist, [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]], went rogue and set himself up as an arms dealer. [[Robert Hallo]], the original mastermind of the conspiracy, used [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] to reactivate Optimus Prime, who revived the Autobots and stopped a reactivated Megatron. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} A year later, Shockwave came to tie up loose ends and acquire the Matrix from Prime. A rebel Autobot cell managed to rescue Prime, who united the other resistance groups, and Shockwave was overthrown, bringing Cybertron under Autobot control. {{storylink|War and Peace}}

===IDW Generation 1 comic===
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In somewhat of a twist from other continuities, the early Autobots in [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] universe were less noble than their counterparts from the others. Millions of years ago, the Autobots were a police force appointed by the [[senate]]. The senate grew corrupt and their Autobot enforcers were seen as little more than thugs. During the closure of an [[Energon (fuel)|energon]]-mining facility, an outspoken miner was beaten to death by an Autobot guard. This sparked a riot, causing the Autobot unit to take even more lives. Some of the surviving miners escaped the captors and went underground and joined the [[gladiatorial combat]] games. Megatron rose as the leader of the games and gathered followers to oppose the hated Autobots, who were led by [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]. Megatron's [[Decepticon]]s eventually defeated Prime and took over the city of [[Kaon]] and started the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin}}

Sentinel was succeeded by an unknown Autobot named Zeta Prime, who was protected from a Deception assassination attempt with Blurr's help, but was eventually killed by Megatron. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blurr}} The Autobots were then led by Optimus Prime and formed into small units to counter the Decepticon units infiltrating various planets. The two sides joined forces to combat [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] and the ensuing battle rendered Cybertron uninhabitable. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

==Robots in Disguise==
Here, the Autobots are the main race on Cybertron, and their enemies are the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]]. The Autobots fought in the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars]], presumably against the Predacons. [[Vector Sigma]], the [[Allspark]], chooses which Autobot is to be granted the Matrix and thus the position of commander-in-chief.

The Autobots were already on [[Earth]] when the Predacons arrived, having taken the form of Earth vehicles to work as camouflage and established a [[Space Bridge|Global Space Bridge network]] and a central base monitoring the entire planet.

In their disguises, the Autobots integrated themselves into human society; [[Team Bullet Train]] worked as actual trains, [[X-Brawn]] was owned as a car by [[Kelly]], and Optimus Prime was working for a fire department. This continued after they went public; both [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] and [[Tow-Line (RID)|Tow-Line]], for example, were shown enforcing human laws in an apparently official capacity, suggesting the Autobots had official ties to human authorities.

It's known Optimus fought the Predacons on other worlds, presumably using the same tactics as on Earth.

==Unicron Trilogy==
===Comic continuity===
====Armada====
Originally, the Autobots were not a faction, but the name of a peacekeeping organization; under the command of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], they defended [[Cyber City]]. Their headquarters was adorned with the motto "Truth - Justice - Freedom". They were unable to stop the [[Mini-Con]]-powered Decepticons from taking Cyber City, and for a million years they were reduced to a rebel organization desperately trying & failing to protect Cybertron. The reactivation of the Mini-Cons on Earth gave the Autobots an opportunity to gain Mini-Con power of their own, but eventually the Decepticons were beaten not by them, but due to the attack of [[Unicron]].

===Cartoon continuity===
====Armada====
Throughout the Unicron Trilogy, the Autobots switched motives after each major conflict. At first, they were attempting to liberate smaller robots, called [[Mini-Con]]s, from the tyrannical control of [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], who saw them as tools to be used and disposed of when no longer needed. The Autobots followed the Mini-Cons' ship to Earth, where they crashed and eventually continued their battle against the Decepticons (some two million years later. Geez, Megs can hold a grudge).

These two sides would unite to fight the Chaos Bringer, [[Unicron]], when he threatened to devour Cybertron. With Megatron sacrificing himself to save the rest of the Universe, Unicron shut down and was destroyed. The remaining Transformers united as the Autobots, following Megatron's order to assist them in rebuilding Cybertron.

====Energon====
Megatron's final orders to his troops still stood: work with the Autobots. The Decepticons maintained a degree of autonomy, still wearing the faction sigil and often taking military/defensive positions in the growing number of energon-mining colonies, but they were ultimately answerable to Optimus Prime and the Autobots. There were, of course, dissenters, most of whom were captured and imprisoned. For a decade, Autobot and Decepticon worked side-by-side in a somewhat stable truce.

Both sides found themselves the target of attacks from Unicron again; hordes of Terrorcon drones, sent by Alpha Quintesson to steal energon ore with which to revive the now-shattered husk of Unicron. What the alien did not count on was that Megatron's spark had survived within the remains, and was siphoning energon from Unicron's body. Soon the Decepticon leader had revived himself in a new form, driven off Alpha Quintesson, and, along with an elite cadre of soldiers and a seemingly inexhaustible supply of mindless Terrorcon drones, begun his new plans for conquest.

When news of Megatron's return reached Cybertron, hundreds of Decepticons rose up and rebelled, eager to get back to conquering. But having been joined to Unicron for so long apparently had given Megatron a taste of godhood; he had no more interest in amassing a galaxy-spanning army of troops. Countless Decepticons died in the resulting battles, with Megatron more than willing to sacrifice them without a thought to attain ultimate power for himself. As the "Powerlinx Battles" - as they came to be called - came to their climax, Megatron found that his actions and thoughts were being influenced and controlled by the dark spark of Unicron. Unwilling to let Unicron stand in his way, Megatron ultimately sacrificed himself (again) and seemingly destroyed Unicron's spark by plunging himself into a newly-formed energon sun created by Primus.

====Cybertron====
Another ten years after Energon, the energon sun created by Primus was gone, collapsed into the [[Unicron Singularity]], a giant black hole threatening to devour all of existence. In death, Unicron's power to destroy his only opposition - Primus - was greater than ever. The Autobots searched for a method of destroying the Black Hole and found a single answer; the Omega Lock, a powerful artifact linked to the Spark of Primus. With it, the Universe could be saved... or destroyed. Seeing an opportunity to rebuild existence in his own image, Megatron sought out the Omega Lock and the Cyber Planet Keys.

As the two sides battled for the Keys, the Autobots would eventually find all four and use them to revive Primus, but in doing so caused a massive earthquake that began shattering the planet around them.

Or so they thought.

Primus was emerging from Cybertron, awakened from the body he sculpted into a world for his creation. When informed of Unicron's destruction, he was infuriated to find that the universe was out of balance because of a severe lack of evil. Starscream attacked Primus' weakened form, due to the smaller robot stealing a piece of his spark and becoming an even equally huge monster, but was quickly dispatched by his creator. Defeated, Starscream flew off, leaving the Autobots to seal the Black Hole. Once this was accomplished, Galvatron attempted an escape from his fire dimension, but by combining Vector Prime's sword with the Omega Lock, the portal was sealed, and the Autobots returned home in peace.

The remaining Decepticons joined the Autobots, save for four who left Earth to start the New Decepticon Army. Their ship made it to Mars before crashing.

==Live-action film series==
The Autobots are the second Cybertronian civilization, being the descendants of the early workers who served the [[Dynasty of Primes]]. Following the outbreak of the war, the Autobots became the Transformers who rallied around [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], the last of the Primes, to prevent [[Megatron (Movie)|Protector Megatron]] from claiming the [[All Spark]]. They were formed mostly from the [[Science Division]], the [[Security Force]], and what few members of the [[Defense Force]] rejected Megatron's violent ambitions. Although they fought valiantly, the Decepticons were more warlike, and they began to gain ground. In a move to prevent the Decepticons from acquiring the All Spark, Prime sent it hurtling into deep space. Megatron followed, and disappeared. The Autobots then scattered among the universe, searching for the All Spark. {{storylink|Defiance}} {{storylink|Movie Prequel (2007)|Prime Directives}}

Following some twelve thousand years of searching, the Autobots encountered a stranded human vessel in space. Known as [[Ghost One]], the creatures aboard, named humans, revealed that they had developed the ship based on studies from Megatron. Recognizing that Megatron would destroy their world if he came back online, Optimus tried to send them back to Earth, but they sacrificed their lives to save Optimus from [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Already suspecting that the All Spark was on their homeworld, the Autobots made efforts to find [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Ghosts of Yesterday}}

Eventually, the Autobots made their way to Earth, discovering a link to the All Spark with [[Sam Witwicky]]. The Autobot [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] came into Sam's possession, and contacted Optimus Prime. Prime came to Earth with [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to retrieve the All Spark and eliminate Megatron. However, Starscream's retrieval team was also on Earth, having come for the All Spark. The Autobots were further hampered by [[Sector Seven]], the human agency tasked with dealing with Transformers. Eventually forming a brief truce with Sector Seven and a group of Army Rangers who had encountered [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], the Autobots fought off the Decepticons in [[Mission City]], which saw the deaths of Megatron, Blackout, [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]], and [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]], but Jazz was killed and the All Spark destroyed when Sam Witwicky extinguished Megatron's spark. Without a means to restore Cybertron, the Autobots decided to remain on Earth, and Optimus Prime sent a message into space for Autobots to come and protect their new home and newfound allies in humanity. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

Over the next two years, more Autobots began making their way to Earth, such as [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], [[Jolt (Movie)|Jolt]], [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]], and others, joining a human military force known as [[NEST]]. Under the classified Autobot Alien cooperation act, the Autobots entrusted the remaining All Spark shard to humanity and gave them intelligence about the Decepticons they were facing. However, the Autobots refused to share weapons technology with humanity, knowing their history internecine warfare. {{storylink|Alliance}} {{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

In 2009, NEST had five encounters with the Decepticons on different continents, indicating that the Decepticons were searching for something. During a sweep of [[Shanghai]], NEST encountered [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] and [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]], who caused substantial damage to the city during their attempts to escape. ALthough they were neutralized, Demolishor relayed a warning to Optimus Prime: "[[The Fallen]] will rise again". Following this, NEST returned to their base of operations at [[Diego Garcia]], where they relayed the warning to [[Morshower|General Morshower]] and [[Theodore Galloway|Director Galloway]]. Having been appointed liaison by the President, Galloway concluded that the Decepticons only interest in Earth was to hunt down the Autobots. Unfortunately, Galloway also revealed both Megatron's resting place and the presence of the shard on Diego Garica. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] was listening to the briefing, and directed [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and the [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s to raise Megatron. Meeting with his master, The Fallen, Megatron was commanded to retrieve Sam Witwicky, who had absorbed the knowledge of the AllSpark, and kill Optimus Prime, the only one who could defeat The Fallen. Optimus died helping Sam escape, and the Decepticons launched multiple attacks to have the humans turn Sam over to them. Galloway used the attacks as an excuse to have himself placed in charge of NEST and place the Autobots under guard.

Meanwhile, Sam, his girlfriend [[Mikaela Banes]], and his roommate [[Leo Spitz]] were being hidden by Bumblebee and the Twins [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]], and with help from [[Seymour Simmons]] of Sector Seven, discovered Decepticon-turned-Autobot [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], who told them that the Fallen, one of the founders of the Dynasty of Primes, was looking for the Matrix of Leadership needed to activate the solar harvester, which would destroy Earth's sun and make energon. Sam was able to find the Matrix and revive Optimus Prime, who with parts from a dead Jetfire, managed to destroy the harvester and kill the Fallen, saving Earth. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

In the movie it is Ratchet who provides the name "Autobot", claiming it is an abbreviation after Optimus' line, "We are autonomous robotic organisms from the planet Cybertron". Seeing as how Decepticons also fit this description, this may imply that "Autobot" is the species name for the Transformers.

In the novelization of the first film, when Optimus states that they are "independently cognitive mechanical entities from a very distant world [...] You could also think of us as autonomous robotic organisms" (p.169, Chapter 8), Mikaela murmurs "Autonomous robots--Autobots" ('''Auto'''nomous Ro'''bots''') (p.169, Chapter 8). Later, after Optimus has the glasses, and has analyzed them, he thinks of what would be an "appropriate indigenous designation for bots of this kind?" (p.221 Chapter 11), Optimus says "Autobots--roll out!". This means that, in the novelization, they didn't call themselves Autobots.

In a departure from previous Transformers incarnations, Japan used the name "Autobots" for this franchise, rather than "Cybertrons".<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/products/movie/autobots.html Movie Autobots toy listing on Takaratomy.com]</ref>

==Animated==
The Autobots in the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated continuity]] won the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]] with the Decepticons because of three things: the Autobot-exclusive [[space bridge]] technology, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Project Omega]], and by sending the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] into space to keep the Decepticons from getting it. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} Since then [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] has known peace under the rule of the [[Autobot High Council]], headed by a [[Magnus]], in this case [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]. Magnus heads the military portion of the planet's defense force, the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]], which is based at [[Fortress Maximus (Animated)|Fortress Maximus]] ([[Alpha Trion (Animated)|Alpha Trion]] is in charge of the civilian guards, which may include the [[Cyber-Ninja Corps]]). [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] is a subordinate rank answerable to the Magnus, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]], [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel]], [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] and [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]] have been promoted to this rank. A lower officer is known as a [[Minor (rank)|Minor]]. The High Council, [[Cybertron Intelligence]] and the [[Ministry of Science]] are based at the [[Metroplex]].

==Shattered Glass==
[[Image:Autobot Shattered Glass.png|right|177px|thumb|... the evil forces of the Autobots.]]
{{quote|'Til all are gone.|[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]|[[Shattered Glass]]}}

In this universe, the Autobots are the evildoers, bent on conquering and destroying everything in their path, starting with Earth. On Cybertron, they are the dominant faction, ruled by the Prime, specifically [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]. Ranks are in constant flux due to their backstabbing nature. [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] may very well usurp rule one day. {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers (2007)===
====Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners====
[[Image:Movie Autobot Screencleaner.jpg|right|106px|thumb|This was originally the top bit of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion's]] pimp cane.]]
*'''Autobot''' (2008)
:Released by [[TakaraTomy|Tomy Yujin]] in January 2008<ref>[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin ''Transformers'' page]</ref>, this dangler is a [[Insignia|faction logo]]-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone, with a stock image of Autobot insignia printed on the other side.
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===Kinnerton===
[[Image:Kinnerton Transformers Tin.jpg|right|200px|thumb|For holding all your Autobot-symbol-shaped cookies.]]
*'''Transformers Tin''' (2008)
: Confectionery and... stationary company [[Kinnerton]] produced ''Movie''-style Autobot sigil-shaped tins. It is currently unknown what these tins were used for. These tins and other Kinnerton products were available in [[Australia]].
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[[Category:Machine Wars]]
[[Category:Robots in Disguise]]
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Talk:The Transformers: The Movie

2009-09-18T16:22:38Z

63.203.180.99: /* Jettison some weight */

Hmm, that's odd. The version of the DVD I have has the scrolling text, the "Optimus Prime will return" voiceover, AND the part where Spike lets an "oh shit" slip.

==Shockwave==
Did he die or what? I remember hearing that the original script EXPLICITLY says that he died when Unicron crushed the building he was in, but the actual finished movie is considerably more vague about this... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
:According to the TFTM script:

ANGLE ON CYBERTRON

Unicron enters shot and grasps at Cybertron with a hideous claw...

ANGLE ON A TOWER ON CYBERTRON

Shockwave talks into a communications device, as alarms sound and troopers run everywhere.

SHOCKWAVE:
Decepticons...we're under attack...Scramble -

Then his voice is cut off as...

SHOCKWAVE'S POV - OUT HIS WINDOW

Unicron's hand reaches towards the window, squeezes, and the walls crash in.

SPACE - UNICRON AND CYBERTRON

Unicron tears off the tower and crushes it as...

A FLEET OF DECEPTICON SHIPS

streak out of Cybertron and begin firing on the enormous planet.

Here, we see the true scale of Unicron. The fighters are the size of bees as they attack.

-- While Shockwave's character model sometimes appeared in the third season (once in grey, once in Constructicon Green), I'm not sure that a properly-colored Shockwave ever showed up post-movie - not that that would necessarily mean anything in light of Evil Zombie Brawn And Huffer from Carnage In C Minor. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

*That's pretty much what I figured. Shockwave kindasorta dies, and doesn't show up properly ever again, so you could argue that he's dead. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

He doesn't even kindasorta die in the final cut of the movie. He just has that one shot then we never see him again. No tower-crushy, no nothing. So it can really be argued either way. [[User:M Sipher|M "I'd Hesitate To Make A Call Either WAy" Sipher]]

Could those season 3 episodes Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3 and Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4 animation errors be his clones?.

==German Dub==

Does anyone know who spoke all the roles in the german dubbing? i can't find that info anywhere on the net, and neither on the german dvd :(

:You should not look for the cast of the dvd version because, first the dub is tital crap, second the voiceactors are unknown, there are no information which studio did the dub nor who directed the dub. You can find the dublist here: http://215072.homepagemodules.de/t511208f11776731-Transformers-Kampf-um-Cybertron.html

==The?==
Shouldn't this article be called "The Transformers: The Movie"? That is the film's full title, isn't it? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

==Here's a question.==

Do we really need the (1986) at the end of this? It's not like "Transformers: The Movie" redirects to a disambiguation page with this and the '07 movie, or that the '07 movie is titled something different. It just seems...redundant, don't you think? There's only 'one' TFTM, and this is it. That, and I highly doubt there's gonna be another "Transformers: The Movie" within the next five or even ten years--when this Wiki would, realistically, still be operating. So yeah. Shouldn't we can that?
:[[Transformers: The Movie (comic)]] exists. As will [[The Transformers: The Animated Movie (comic)]] for the current adaptation when someone gets around to it. We do need to have a disambiguation system for them though. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I agree with the above, but am inclined to say this article still doesn't need a paranthetical in its title, it being far more prominant than the other Transformers: The Movies. Of course, the last time I moved an article that has disambiguation to the non-parenthetical location I got a bunch of people saying "WTF?" even though that's what [[Help:Disambiguation]] has said to do since I wrote it back at the dawn of time. (See [[Talk:Constructicon]].) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::Walky's point: Then I don't really see the relevance of the year. On top of that, all of those have different titles; there's no real conflict. It's kinda the same principle as [[Kremzeek]] and [[Kremzeek!]]. Just note that the reader may be looking for [[whatever]] at the top. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 09:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Worth Noting...somewhere ==

I found my old VHS version of the movie, and it refers to the Decepticons reformatted by Unicron as the "Unicrons." Just wanted to point that out. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Though officially publishedd, the Aaustralian character bios are generally ignored because-- Bwuh?
:Hasbro/Dreamworks recently put out some bios of the movie characters-- describing half the cast in terms of their cartoon versions, including events that did not occur in the movie. At some point you have to say "no, there's no point in trying to integrate that."
:I think poorly-conceived DVD extras (or VHS extras as the case may be) since they really don't stand on their own but only reflect the producer's (often limited) understanding of the source material are one of those ignored-unless-useful things. (It's also why we don't cover the Dinobots seldom-seen combiner mode. *shudder*) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::The Dinobots'... what? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:::I've heard of that combiner, my friend said it had no head. Anyways, I got that info off the synopsis from the back of the VHS Case. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah, this has nothing to do with "Australian character bios" Deirk. The "Unicrons" thing comes from the back of the Rhino VHS case. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I believe it was an Australian video release which tried to use its weight to assert that yes, Skywarp is definitely Cyclonus. Or maybe Bombshell. I don't remember which. But whichever way, it was totally inappropriate. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::No, seriously... Dinobots'... what?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I don't recall which country, or whether it was TF:TM or the cartoon, but some non-US DVD release included a comic book in which the Dinobots combined. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Metrodome's Season 3 DVD's, wasn't it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::You got to be kidding. That's certainly worth a mention, er, somewhere. On the Dinobots page. Trivia tab. With a scan.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But ti was the most vapid, stupidest, mis-concieved-idea-of-cool addition to the canon ever! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Ugh, seriously. Kindly note that for all I did with Metrodome, I had ''nothing'' to do with that!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Did the story ever end? I thought it was a deliberate cliffhanger- which really reinforces how the entire concept was "wouldn't it be cool if?" and there was no story to tell. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, it was a two-parter. Part 1 was in Season 2, Part 2, then part 2 was in Season 3/4. Basically, everyone runs like crap from "The Beast," and then Prime tricks it into falling off a cliff. Sigh. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

What is it exactly? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not "Matrix Forever". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::I am guessing some translation of "The Transformers: The Movie." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Transliteration, actually. トランスフォーマーザ・ムービー, which comes out to "Toransufōmā za Mūbī". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 19:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Widescreen ==

Derik: No, the screen is definitely cut off the top for the "widescreen." Look at the scene where you see through Perceptor's ''micro''-scope at the approaching Decepticons. The bars at the top of his vision display the difference perfectly. You can count the bars to see the difference between them. Oddly enough, your picture certainly looks stretched... --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 03:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Caption Quotes ==

The pic of Megatron with a lightsaber has a Jedi quote instead of a New Hope quote. Do we care? [[User:JW|JW]] 22:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:I care! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:"An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age". That's from ''A New Hope''. Good enough? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
[sigh] Now the pic of the Junkions dancing has a Jedi quote instead of a New Hope quote . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 13:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

== Poster Caption ==

Hm,, I'm thinking about changing the caption on the poster at the top to "If your favorite Transformers character isn't on this poster, it's best to start grieving now." The current caption is just a bit misleading, since none of the characters on the poster died (as they were all brand new toys (except for [[Arcee (G1)|the ones who didn't get toys]])). [[User:JW|JW]] 01:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:That's not quite true. Unicron died. And so did Ultra Magnus, but he got better. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 01:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'm not sure how the suggested new caption is any less misleading. My favorite Transformers characters are Jazz and Bumblebee! Also, Hound. Probably Nightbeat. I think I'm okay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Wanted: A caption for that poster pic that both A) points out that all the characters on the poster are brand new and never-been-seen-before (since I think that's an important bit of info), and also B) preserves the current caption's comment on how "all your favorite characters" die. Suggestions? [[User:JW|JW]] 03:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

"Who the hell are those guys and where's Prime?" Or stick with the current, honestly. - Some Guy 22 March 2008

==Colon?==
Why is there a colon in the page title? There's no colon in the movie title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:Because "The Movie" is a subtitle. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Blitzwing animation error ==

In the battle for Autobot City, when Prime drives up behind the Decepticons, Blitzwing turns his head and its color changes to purple for a split second. However, when he turns it back its tan again. Just thought we should add this under animation errors.-[[User:Proconix|Proconix]] 20:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Proconix

== more animation errors ==

Watched the Movie again today and this is what I found. In the scene where Blaster ejects his tapes, He first ejects what looks like Eject. He stays blue up until he gets to the edge of the screen. He then turns black like Rewind. Then Blaster ejects a another blue cassette, which after about a second, turns black. This one gets through half his transformation colored black, then turns blue for a split second then turns black again. And later when the cassettes are fighting each other, Eject runs in from the left and jumps over Perceptor. And then he runs in from the left ''again'' to shoot Ravage. Im gonna go ahead and add these.-[[User:Proconix|Proconix]] 17:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Proconix

== Scourge ==

Not to chat or anything, but does anyone know why Scourge pops his head up when he asks galvatron if he wants him to gut ultra magnus? Just thought that was wierd.-[[User:Proconix|Proconix]] 22:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Proconix

== Cyclonus ==

<nowiki>When the Decepticons get reformatted, both Skywarp, and what might be Bombshell, become Cyclonus. Unicron refers to them as 'Cyclonus and his Armada'. And when they all fly to the ship, Galvatron goes first, followed by Scourge, two Sweeps and two Cyclonus'. There a reason for this? </nowiki> [[User:Thyunda|Thyunda]] 13:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Does [[Cyclonus's Armada|this]] answer your question? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Intro quote==
I'm admittedly in kind of an orgasmic endorphin rush over this, but I'd love to use a chunk of Orson Welles' description of his own role as an intro quote: "The Japanese have funded a full-length animated cartoon about the doings of these toys, which is all bad outer-space stuff. I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I'm destroyed. My plan to destroy Whoever-it-is is thwarted and I tear myself apart on the screen." If there's a better summary of TF:TM's plot, I've yet to hear it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:56, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:43, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

== Cast list - woefully incomplete ==

Shouldn't we have a complete list of characters on here, rather than the headline billings alone? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:38, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:Oh yea! How did that happen for so long? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 01:17, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

==Japanese TFTM==
Someone has uploaded the entire thing, in fifteen parts, to youtube.

:[http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B6%E3%83%A0%E3%83%BC%E3%83%93&search_type=&aq=f TFTM In Japanese]

If anyone who has time to kill or knows the language (preferably both!) wants to go through it to document any significant changes from the US version that we don't already have, that'd be great. I already noticed, watching the first part, that the Japanese version uses the "Star Wars" text-scroll of the UK version, though the narrator doesn't actually seem to be reading a translation of the text {{m-}} I caught him voicing a reference to Unicron the text doesn't have. And, skipping ahead, Grimlock appears to refer to his "me Grimlock kick butt" moment as his "Kick Attack". Erm.

There's also something I'd sort of like confirmed... I've heard a rumor that the Japanese-dubbed Junkions, instead of talking in TV quotes, all have Chinese accents. But I have no idea if it's true.

Adding a screenshot with someone's function and name in kanji/kana from the movie would also be neat, I think. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:19, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:Immediately noticed they added speech to the Lithone part - in the original version, the Lithonians don't speak at all before the "Look, it's Unicron!" line. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:31, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::I have to wonder if a list of every slight dialogue alteration would really be a good idea. I've owned the thing on VHS for a while and, well, there are a LOT of dialogue changes. And I don't mean anything important, like some added in line revealing Unicron is actually Motormaster's grandfather or whatever. I mean itty bitty changes, like the aforementioned "Kick attack" from Grimlock, Megatron specifically ordering the Insecticons to breach Autobot City's defenses and so on. A list of every slight dialogue change would be...massive (especially since the dub ''added'' so much dialogue during scenes that were previously silent). We currently have a handful of examples in the "Japanese release" section of the article that I think suffice. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:17, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, bear in mind that my suggestion was ''document any '''significant''' changes''. Random yattering is one thing, yeah, but I was curious as to whether there were any major changes, such as characters talking when they didn't originally have ''any'' dialogue at all... like, the Lithones talking in the opening qualifies to me, because I think it may be the only time the Lithone scientist speaks in fiction. (Which in turn makes me wonder if he's given an official title in the Japanese credits for the film; it'd qualify him for an article.)
:::I do feel that bringing up the scrolling text is noteworthy, since we note it up in the other countries' entries. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:25, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

== Voice credits ==

I filled in the voice credits in the "featured characters" chart from the film credits. I think some of them, like Gears and Brawn have voice credits, but no actual lines. There may also be some characters that have uncredited speaking roles (I don't know for sure). Just an FYI if anyone wants to adjust the chart. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:59, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

== Jettison some weight ==

Why is this listed as confusing? Aside from the (common) misuse of weight for mass I see nothing weird here. The more mass there was on board Astrotrain, the more fuel that would be needed to push him to Cybertron. Therefor, dumping extra mass makes sense. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:47, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree. Astrotrain was just using common speech. People don't often say things like "jettison some mass". If Astrotrain says he needs to lighten up, it stands to reason it is because he is still accelerating and too much weight would make it more difficult to accelerate. He is still accelerating because when they threw the bodies overboard, they quickly fell back. If they had already reached top speed, they would just float along side Astrotrain. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:23, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::Plus, how close is Cybertron to Earth? If the Decepts didn't want to settle down for a multi-year trip, Astrotrain must have been going FTL, at which point all bets about moving without burning fuel are off. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:26, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:::But maneuvering to land later would be made at sublight, normal inertial conditions. Less mass would be useful then. Basically, less mass is always better for movement. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 04:23, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:::How much fuel does it take to get from Cybertron to Earth, I wonder. The whole battle of Autobot city seems to take place over one night, and Optimus' shuttle makes it from Cybertron to Earth in that time, implying that both it and the hijacked Autobot shuttle were going faster than light speed. The whole reason the hijacked shuttle was going to Earth in the first place was to pick up more energy, ergo it must take much less than one shipload of energy to get a shuttle at FTL speeds from Cybertron to Earth and back. They either have really efficient FTL drives, or really efficient energy storage. Or both.
:::Of course we've seen that [[Microbots|one energon cube is enough to get a full-sized Transformer drunk off his can]], so perhaps it's the latter. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:00, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:::There were several scenes in "Apollo 13" where the stranded astronauts in the capsule and their Houston support crew had to do all those calculations about the amount of weight (or mass, whatever) they could have in the capsule versus the amount of fuel they could burn in order to get home alive. Common sense understanding actually wins in this case, I think. Also, all bets are off as to how far Cybertron is from Earth in TFTM, considering "The Ultimate Doom". --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 07:59, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::In Apollo 13, they did mass calculations to: 1) be able to escape Moon's gravity, 2) project a course to slingshot around the moon, 3) make any necessary course corrections. ''All'' of those are aspects of acceleration. In a constant velocity situation, jettisoning mass does not make you go any faster, as momentum is divided proportionally with mass. -[[User:Noviere|Noviere]] 11:16, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::It wasn't a constant velocity situation. If it were, when Starscream dropped Megatron out the door, Megatron would just float alongside. They were accelerating and more mass means more force needed to accelerate. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:21, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Which was already accounted for in the page, which essentially says "here are some speculations, but we don't really know what the hell was going on here". Nothing wrong with that. I'm just rebutting Thylacine's statement above. -[[User:Noviere|Noviere]] 11:28, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::You added that they were going faster than light as a fact, but do we know that? I've never thought Transformers or even their dedicated starships could go FTL, hence the need for a space bridge. Cybertron moves around. Where was it in the Movie? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:58, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Well, of COURSE they're going faster than light. Otherwise Quintessa and Junkion and Cybertron would all be in Earth's solar system. Just because you have FTL ships doesn't mean that instantaneous transportation isn't useful. I mean, we had horses, but cars are better even they they both provide transportation over land.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 12:22, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

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== Mold reusage list ==

I've been working on a list that lists the most reused molds. Sorted after Toyline and alphabetical order. Now I would like to know if this would be a useful piece of information or if it's uninteresting for the wiki. Check out the current poor and far from finished version [[User:Dead Metal/DMsscrapheap|here]]. Should I continue working on it or stop and erase it.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:09, 29 July 2009 (EDT)
:It's almost worth it just for that picture. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 09:20, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:I think it would be worth it, just have all this info in one place. That and the comedy possibilities. I can see where it could be considered redundant though. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:33, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::Armada: The Air Defense Mini-Con Team, with 10 to 12 different decos (depending on whether you count minor differences between the Hasbro and Takara verisons or not).
::Energon: One of the combiner limbs. Which one depends on whether you count Hasbro/Takara differences or not (some of the tank limbs in particular are considerably different). Also, do the unreleased Movie Target Scouts count?
::Cybertron would be Legends of Cybertron Starscream (8 different versions, with notable differences between the initial Hasbro and Takara releases) and Optimus Prime (7 versions, also with notable Hasbro/Takara differences), with larger toys Deluxe Hot Shot (5 or 6 different versions, minor differences between initial Hasbro and Takara releases), Sideways (not sure on Hasbro/Takara differences here, therefore 5 or 6 different versions), Crosswise (some differences between Hasbro and Takara releases, 6 versions), Scout Clocker (notable Hasbro/Takara differences, 6 versions) and Voyager Leobreaker (5 to 7 different versions depending on Hasbro/Takara differences for Ligerjack/Leobreaker and Dark Ligerjack/Nemesis Breaker).
::Classics winner is Deluxe Starscream (15 different versions, with Hasbro and Takara releases being considerably different in all instances), followed by Voyager Prime (6 or 7 versions depending on whether the unreleased black Takara convention exclusive counts or not).
::Movie... Deluxe "Concept" Camaro Bumblebee, hands down. There's a running change variant for the Hasbro version (not a Hasbro/Takara difference, the later Hasbro version is identical to the Takara release), depending on whether that counts or not, we're talking about nine or 10 distinct versions here (including ROTF Cannon Bumblebee, who features 2007 Bumblebee's legs). Then there's Voyager Prime (7 definitely different versions, with minor but notable differences between Hasbro ROTF Voyager Prime and Takara's convention exclusive "Optimus Prime Revenge Edition". There might also be minor differences between the battle damaged Voyager Prime from the Sam's Club exclusive Prime/Starscream/Arcee three-pack and the Asia-only "Autobot Optimus Prime" single pack.)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 15:13, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:Damn, I'm starting to think I was retarded just to think of starting it, but I think I'll continue working on it and once I think it's near complete I'll "publish" it and let it be updated by others that are more in the know. Danke für die hilfe werd mich reinhaun.:D [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:19, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== Marvel UK issue pages ==

I feel that we need to make a change with how we handle Marvel UK comic issues. The UK comics split most of its stories up over multiple issues, and even reprinted some of the split up in a ''different'' way. This has led the story articles to become bloated with non-story info (covers, letter pages, other comics from the same issue, contests, ads) for multiple issues on a single story page. Also, navigating the UK comic is a pain in the ass, as many issues having two stories (one issue has ''three''!), as well as the reprints.

Here's what I suggest we do:

* '''Make "hub" pages for the individual issues.''' These pages will cover issue-specific things. Those UK cover scans clogging up every Marvel Transformer story? They go here. As does information from that issue's letter pages, ads, TransFormations, and anything else that isn't a part of the actual stories. Also, there will be a list of what each issue contains, mostly the TOC from the issue itself. Non-Transformers backup strips (Machine Man, Action Force) should need nothing more beyond the name of the series and the title of the story unless more info is given in the cover, letters page, TransFormations, Coming Attractions or the like. The TOC will also have links to our story articles.

*'''Leave the story articles mostly unchanged''' The UK comic usually treated the stories like serials (think the early Flash Gotdon films or the original Doctor Who series), so splitting them up makes no sense. Aside from moving the issue-specific stuff to the hub pages, the only changes needed will be removing the story navigation box from the UK-original stories, removal of the UK navigation from the stories written for the US comic, and adding any needed "Reprinted in" links, and putting "Originally printed in" links on the stories written for the UK comic.

Marvel US 33 & 34 (Man of Iron!) and Action Force 24-27 (Ancient Relics!) would be handled in the same way. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:40, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:So you're suggesting that ''any'' issue which contained multiple discontinuous stories get a page for the issue, and a page for both stories? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:37, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:: Not exactly. Marvel UK is a special case because these multiple discontinuous stories are broken up over multiple issues. We would still have one page for Time Wars. I'll put together a sample tommorow. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:51, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
::I have a ''very'' rough example at [[User:FortMax/Sandbox]]. The main reason I feel this needs to be done is because not only does the UK comic non only have multiple stories in each issue, these stories get spread out over multiple issues. For example, [[Time Wars]] was printed over seven issues. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 12:04, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
:::That makes sense... a 'landing page.' I'm tentatively in favor of it... but I'd like to see what others say. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:40, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I think this is a really good idea, because it enables us to show the very different format of the UK comic. Formats, in fact - something I didn't realise till I completed my collection is how ''very'' different the first 30 or so issues are from the rest. More like a robot enthusiast's magazine than a comic, and much more 'British' in feel. Unfortunately I've only got my scanned copies of issues 1-5 to work from at the moment, but I can mock something up to show you what I mean. --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 06:25, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I've never been overly happy that a big, "blockbuster-that-changes-everything" story like Target: 2006 or The Legacy of Unicron only gets one issue, whereas, say, the issues leading up to US #75 get a page each. There's examples of serial storytelling and individual-issue focuses (eg, Prime surrendering, or the introduction of the Wreckers) in each. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 09:25, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've done a fair bit across the UK comics lately and I'd be hugely in favour of breaking T:2006 (especially) into its component issues - just because they weren't individually named they get lumped together in one article which I think does a great disservice to the story. I'd compare it to a six-issue series like Devastation which gets six pages labelled issue 1, issue 2 and so forth, so I don't think articles called Target: 2006 issue 1, Target: 2006 issue 2 etc. would necessarily be beyond the pale. I don't know how far I'd want to take it though - splitting up stories like City of Fear or Legion of the Lost seems a bit pointless, more so The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire which wasn't meant to be split in the first place. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:07, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm in favour. I also think that a standard link to the appropriate letters page on transfans.net (similar to the way we do tfu.info for toys) wouldn't go amiss. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:07, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Need Disambig Help ==

[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] and [[Landcross (Victory)|Landcross]] need to be moved, but I remember us doing different stuff with the Victory characters, so I didn't know if I should move them to (G1) or (Victory). --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community_Portal/Archive34#Franchise_identifier_consistency|Relevant]] [[Talk:Star Saber (Victory)#.28G1.29_vs._.28Victory.29|discussions]] suggest "Deathsaurus (Victory)", etc. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:16, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::Okie dokie. Thankee! --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:19, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::''*Derik growls*''
::::...you growled, sir? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:59, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Derik likes the G1 parenthetical when applicable. Interrobang hates it with a passion. We are going to put them in Thunderdome.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:44, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Derik thunderously proclaims that the (G1) parenthetical is a reference to the ''umbrella'' franchise that contains all "Generation 1" franchises. If we truly named characters for franchises, we would have "Optimus Prime (The Transformers)." We're not-- ergo we prefer to use the umbrella franchise for disambig when possible, and that should apply to Victory characters as well! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Uh, no. More like it's one of those cases where we have to make an exception because the result caused by following the rule would be ridiculously unhelpful. Otherwise we do in fact disambig by franchise. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:36, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I disagree! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:41, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::With which? You disagree that (The Transformers) is unhelpful despite the [[Talk:Generation 1 (franchise)|conversation on the matter]] (to whit: "Because, having 'The Transformers' be the name of a specific franchise and continuity family would be insanely confusing, when technically 'The Transformers' is the also name of the entire general franchise and continuity family that encompasses everything. Having two different concepts named "Generation 1" is already confusing enough without making it ten times worse."), or you disagree with the fact that we disambiguate by franchise?
:::::::::(The Transformers) is a uselessly ambiguous disambiguation, and it ''is'' a fact that we disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:47, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::But... we don't use the "umbrella franchise" for anything else. We don't do it for the UT. We don't do it for Beast Wars (who some would argue falls under G1). We don't do it for the movies. Why only G1? And "Generation 1" is the name of the franchise, as established by numerous product. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:33, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Bah! Humbug! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Let's make sure we've got our terminology straight. At the very top level, we have the [[Generation 1 continuity family]], which, NOT being a franchise, is never used for parentheticals. Underneath that, we have the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|G1 franchise]], G2, BW, the 2003 ''Universe'', etc. The G1 franchise is synonymous with "The Transformers", so Derik's point above about how we don't say "Optimus Prime (The Transformers)" is nonsensical. Every time we say "(G1)", we ''are'' saying "(The Transformers)". This franchise could be considered an "umbrella franchise" because it contains all the Japanese franchises like ''Headmasters'', ''Victory'', ''Zone'', etc. So does a ''Victory''-exclusive character get a "(G1)" or a "(Victory)"? Both technically count as franchise-of-origin. The only reason I see to get granular about it is to follow the example of the Japanese BW sub-franchises. For example, it would be perfectly valid if [[Skywarp (BWII)]] were "Skywarp (BW)" instead, but for whatever reason, we've decided those sub-franchises deserve their own parentheticals. I favor consistency, but I can't think of any clear logic that demands one outcome or the other. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:19, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::It's the 'for whatever reason' I'm stuck on. I don't think we ever actually ''made'' that decision so much as some contribuitors have simply been pushing that view-- thus the periodic outbreaks of "What? Why the fuck is ''ArticleName'' now at such a retarded location?" followed by block reversions. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:49, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::IIRC, I think that the reasoning was that we ''should'' always be disambiguating by franchise rather than umbrella franchise, so (Victory), (Zone), (BWII) was more correct. Basically, it was a change to make our disambiguating more consistent. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:52, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::I can think of one umbrella franchise we do disambiguate by: the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'']]. With the exception of the "Action Blast" Flash animations, all it does is subsume other franchises, but when a [[Dropshot (Universe)|new]] [[Backstop (Universe)|character]] comes out of it, we use "Universe" as the parenthetical instead of whatever franchise they're from within that. I've [[Talk:Heavy Load (Universe)#Move to "Heavy Load (Classics)"?|argued against this]], but to little avail. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:06, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

==Copyright notice for logos==
I've been spending a fair bit of time lately adding to and updating our collection of [[logos]], but it's occurred to me that of all our thin-ice copyright practices, displaying Hasbro's trademarks is pretty damn questionable. So I checked out how Wikipedia deals with it, and I think we can pare down [[Wikipedia:File:Radioshack-logo.svg|their boilerplate]] into something that fits our typical copyright templates. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:16, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:Logos are something you put out as a metonymic symbol for yourself. Mangling them or presentignt hem badly is bad... but simply ''presenting'' them should be fine.
:Trademark infringement is an entirely different thing than copyright infringement-- it only occurs if we were trying to use their names/logos to represent ourselves. Creating "Genuine opportunity for confusion" between ourselves and Hasbro. We're not using them that way... we're usign them to represent Hasbro, which is entirely proper.
:(It wouldn't hurt to work up a <nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki> template for image credit though, that underlines that this is Hasbro's Trademark, not an image they own copyright on.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:37, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've done a [[Template:Logo|first draft]]. Feel free to mangle it so that the language is more sound.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:51, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

== A solution for all this Goldbug/Galvatron/etc. madness ==

Would it be possible to design a template or other standard that allows for an intro-style paragraph in the ''middle'' of a page? So, rather than Fortress Maximus getting a footnote under his intro paragraph about how his Japanese portrayal is totally different, his Japanese fiction section gets its own introductory writeup, maybe complete with its own main pic, with some kind of standard disclaimer that it applies to this particular fictional section only?

This allows us to keep characters who are clearly related in a meta-fictional sense on the same page, while allowing us to acknowledge the vast differences in their characterization and/or backstory. Then we have a ''much'' smaller debate about who should or shouldn't get such a subsection, instead of an unwinnable argument about disambiguations with all the associated link and header messiness. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:02, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:That is a very good idea, I like it a lot. But how would that work, will we need a software update or something? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:06, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::<nowiki>=Section title=</nowiki>
::The single equal sign header currently isn't used. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::That's because a single equal sign header produces an <nowiki><H1></nowiki>, which should only be used once per page per webstandards. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:13, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::From a web-standards standpoint, there's no reason ''not'' to use a H2. I the goal is just to have a horizontal line... um... I bet that can be made to happen, I'm just blanking on how. ;)
::::I'm not opposed to the idea of a 'mini-bio template' (or something) to call out these kind of mini-bios... but I'm also ''wary'' of them, because I fear that they could become a crutch; a "default" approach used whenever there are different portrayals of a character instead of achieving actual consensus.
::::I '''really''' don't want to discuss this until ''after'' we've come to a conclusion on the Bumblebee/Galvatron thing. With the original argument deadlocked, (and seriously, calling for an up-and down vote so early into the discussion was ''not'' helpful) it's now spilling over and opening 'new fronts' to argue on. Any 'wide ranging' layout change we make will stem ''from'' the resolution of that argument. Attempting to begin such a change now, with the problem unresolved is bad policy, pisses everyone off, and ''could be'' (read: is) interpreted as a pressure-move by one side seeking to advance its agenda by presenting a fiat-accompli policy revision to strengthen its position. :D -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:37, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::We probably should mention [[Blaster (G1)]] in this mess as well...
:::::I'm honestly not sure how to feel about the whole thing. My inclination would be inherent personality/concept. So if you have character incarnations who have different origins but their personality ends up being the same, they go together. If you have character incarnations with similar origins but who otherwise act very different, they don't go together. And if you have character incarnations who act similarly, but most have a certain origin as a key part of their identity and one incarnation lacks that origin, that one incarnation would still be different.
:::::Of course... that's obviously a pretty darn subjective thing to be trying to decide on, and I'm not sure it'd be ideal. I'm just really not sure how else to handle it in terms of a way that ''would'' be objective. Seeing as how once you get past continuity/franchise divides, all we have to go on is how the individual stories handle things, which usually aren't clear-cut. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:51, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

::::::We've got plenty of evidence that Unicron can create Cyclonus and Scourge out of any robot-- the individual going into the transformation has no bearing on the individual that comes out... it's just a 'stock' body/persona Unicron seems to use a lot.
::::::I suspect that Galvatron is similar. (Though the evidence to support this view is much more circumstantial.) Because the dudes who get turned into Galvatrons tend to be ''alive'' going in (unlike the 'doners' for Cyclonus and Scourge) their personality obviously carries more sway.
::::::I think that treating Galvatron like ''that'' makes a lot of sense without dis-servicing the material... but I'm not sure we can reach an consensus to do so. Can anyone think of any similar instances of a character with wildly different 'incoming' origins? (Orion Pax doesn't quite cut it. We'd need a separate origin where [[T-Spoon]] was rebuilt into Optimus Prime...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:05, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sunbow Dinobots vs Dreamwave Dinobots immediately come to mind. I've been thinking along the lines of your "Unicron's mass-production type" for a while now.... which still leaves both IDW and Henkei Galvs as outliers. But even those two weirdos fulfill basically the same character roles in their respective continuities, and there's no evidence Hearts of Steel Scourge was built by Unicron either and he's still "himself". Honestly I think they should all stay where they are. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:25, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Cartoon Constructicons. Built on Earth? Brainwashed Autobots? Decepticons who've always been around?
:::::::Any rate, I really don't see the point in moving stuff around. People are actually talking about wiki-wide changes to account for maybe that %0.1 of characters that don't fit neat-and-clean into the way things are set up now. As it stands, I'm not exactly sold on the "mini-profile" proposal, I'd have to see an example Sandboxed up before I could get behind such a thing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:44, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Leave it as is. Galvatron is still more or less the same guy - he's a crazy badass killer guy who wants to betray his masters. Goldbug is a fucking nonentity. (On the other hand, is there ANYTHING to suggest that Spotlight: Metroplex doesn't take place in the future and that Bumblebee became Goldbug at some point we haven't encountered yet?) [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 19:34, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::There's a note on the inside cover that says it takes place immediately before AHM#1.
:::::::::As for the subsection-intro idea, I like it a lot - it's an idea I've had since I first started reading the wiki, and it applies to WAY more than the "0.1%" of characters that have had actual debates around them. Save the main intro for universally-applicable info, and elaborate on the conflicting details in the subsection-intros. The big issue I see is overall readability - as Siph says, it'll need some sandbox-testing to see if it would actually ''work'' in a practical sense. It could easily make our articles even ''harder'' to parse than they are now. But there's no way to know without trying.
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:50, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Considering that [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s page is already set up like that... really, go look at it—there's ''three'' separate intros already, one at the beginning of the cartoon section, one at the beginning of the Marvel comic section, and one at the beginning of the IDW comic section.
::::::::::We'd maybe have one normal Fiction section with Dreamwave and TF/GI Joe, and then three different H2s with "Cartoon continuity Blaster", "Marvel Continuity Blaster", and "IDW continuity Blaster" each with their own separate H3 Fiction section. If that makes sense? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:22, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::::::Speaking solely in terms of 'the insertion of more time fixing the problem...' Goldbug's 1987 tech-spec says that he possesses the ''mind'' of Bumblebee. ('tis a very odd phrasing.) It also notes that he has become <tt>"More serious, assertive, mature than he was. Realizes what others think of him isn't nearly as important as what he thinks of himself."</tt>
:::::::::Now, I happen to think that "Spotlight: Metroplex" presented Goldbug as joking, passive, naive and deferring to what others think instead of trussing his own judgment. (Caveat: These are subjective judgements, YMMV.) Which would make "Spotlight: Metroplex" Goldbug is simply Goldbug ''prior'' to the state his tech-spec describes. He will ''grow into'' being the more assertive etc etc etc individual the tech-spec describes. It's entirely ''possible'' that at some point in the future Goldbug's mind will be merged with G1 Bumblebee... at which point the character would no longer be in conflict with the tech-spec (but still a distinct character.)
:::::::::Let me stress; I don't think that this is '''likely'''. But I'm reluctant to make sweeping changes aimed at "addressing this completely irresolvable situation" when the situation is (at least potentially) resolvable. And in the scenario above, even if the discontinuity with the tech-spec were ''completely'' resolved... we'd '''still''' need a separate article for the character; addressing who he was prior to the merge— just like the [[:Image:Generic decepticons marvel uk 243.jpg|hapless trooper]] Straxus rebuilt into a clone of Megatron is a distinct character.
:::::::::'''Reiterating:''' I am not saying this is the case, I do not think it should go on his page, etc. I am merely demonstrating that it's ''possible'' to have a scenario where '''even if the problems with the tech-spec were resolved''' this Goldbug would '''still''' need a separate article. '''With that in mind:''' can we ''back away'' from the <tt>"conflict with tech-spec = new character"</tt> argument (because I don't think either side is actually proposing that [[Beast Changer]] be split into a separate article from [[Noble]]) and start looking at at Goldbug's article for what it ''is''; an odd and '''fairly rare''' circumstance which lacks a clear precedent in the form terms of how we treat other articles (Since Galvatron's article has that's been regularly argued about since it was set up... to a conclusion that "this sucks, but no one can agree about how to do it better" I don't think it qualifies as "a clear precedent.") for which open non-acrimonious discussion is required to determine the best treatment.
:::::::::Now, '''*I*''' see no urgent need to make a decision this second. '''I propose''' a 4 day cooling-off period where all parties desist working on the article or pushing their points on talk pages so that everyone can calm down and it can be re-visited with fresh eyes on Monday. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:21, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::We should just plainly present the character as the fiction presents him while taking as little stances on anything as possible. The only way to do that, I think, is to have all Goldbug-related information on the "Goldbug (G1)" page, and just give the information, perhaps linking to Bumblebee in the appropriate fiction sections to prevent duplicate information. Having separate Goldbug pages gets the whole process off on the wrong foot, drawing subtle conclusions before any text is actually written. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:47, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::But that's a ''terrible'' way to present (for example) the Marvel comic, where he goes back and forth between being Bumblebee and Goldbug. To say ''nothing'' of Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:27, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::You know, the more I think of it, the less certain I become about what works the best for the wiki. Think of Optimus Prime (G1). We're mostly pretty happy with his article, right? But then, sometimes he was rebuilt from Optronix, sometimes Orion Pax. To me, that seems like a pretty analogous situation to the whole Goldbug / Bumblebee situation. So, whatever we decide for Goldbug may apply to the cartoon vs dreamwave Optimus Prime. Or not, just kinda thinking out loud. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:54, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::The Keepers Trilogy established that Orion was a friendly nickname for the 'bot known as Optronix.
:::::::::::::Try to keep up with the retcons man! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:25, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Personally, I think Jackpot (I think it was Jackpot, anyway) sandboxed up the best solution I've seen: make a Goldbug (G1) page, with the Marvel and Sunbow sections consisting entirely of "See Bumblebee (G1)" (and maybe a sentence or two on how he became Goldbug). There's no back and forth from Bumblebee to Goldbug for the continuities where they're one and the same, it eliminates the potential mess that would appear if another G1 continuity decided to make a Goldbug that's not Bumblebee, and it pretty neatly resolves the debate over how the intro paragraph should be written. I'm also going to take this opportunity to point out that the intro paragraph for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] says something to the effect of, "this guy is totally different in every continuity." -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 04:40, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Wait for the smoke to clear. We'll decide to do that anyway. The non-Bumblebee Goldbug clearly has his own independent existence, just like [[Hapless trooper]] does, and (IDW) is a terrible diambig.
:::::::::::::::Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to be a crotchety old man and point out that I think people need to '''chill'''. IDW introduced a ''bizarre'' retcon involving Bumblebee the same month they announced a Bumblebee series. Until I'm given reason to think differently, I have to believe who thing is too retarded ''not'' to be related. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:59, 13 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::So, why is (IDW) a terrible disambig, Derik? Because some other publisher may use a non-Bumblebee Goldbug later? How is that particularly different from a character from one franchise later turning up in another? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Because in this case it's not a character from another franchise. It would be another version of the same character from the same franchise with the same uncommon interpretation. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 18:11, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

== New Featured Characters Template ==
OK, what's with the new featured characters template? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:38, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:Changes were proposed over at [[Template_talk:Featuredcharacters#Makeover]], sandboxed, revised, various users participated etc. It's been going on for a few days. A 'mature' version of the template evolved, and we announced it would go live; giving users 36 hours to object if theyw anted to. No one did.
:(This is typical. Most of the time only a very tiny audience participates in talk about template revisions until they're rolled out and catch the rest of the users off-guard.)
:It was expected there would be more commentary after it happened. What do you think of the revision? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:27, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::It's not really that different, but I think I preferred the other one. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:59, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::That's my initial reaction too. But I'm not sure if that's just because I was ''used'' to the old one, or if it's actually ''better'' somehow, so I'm giving myself a few days to grow on me before I cast judgement.
:::(IIRC this originally started because the old one needed to be re-coded due to some IE problem... which snowballed into a full-on redesign. So even if we reverted things template would still need changes.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I mostly like it much better, however...
::::The dotted border needs to be a normal border, IMHO.
::::The default "Human" and "Others" sections are now the wrong colors, and I don't think we really want to have to manually swap the code on every single instance of the Template. [[Eye in the Sky|Example]]... you can see how the "Others" has the nice fleshie color, while the "Humans" are the deeper color that doesn't match as nicely visually. Unless you can figure out how to swap the display without having to swap all the code, I think it needs to go back, unfortunately for your alternating. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:04, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Is this like Crayola defining a peach crayon as "flesh" tone? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:52, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>snerk* OK, I deserved that. But more like, when I look at the light beige I think "human" and when I look at the orangey-yellow I think "human suffering from jaundice". --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:03, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Hmm... the reason the 3rd and 4th column's colors were swapped was for their density (grayscale) values so that the template would be more readable the low-color-depth e-readers (there are already ~ a million unit out there, and the category is expanding rapidly.) But the loose subject-color correlation we've got going on is useful. I'll take a poke at the template tonight and see if I can't tweak the hues without affecting the density; best of both worlds. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:17, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::While you're at it, see if you can figure out how to fix the fact that the top and bottom borders of the two outside columns are thicker than the same borders of any columns between them.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:58, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Which browser are you using? I only have Firefox 3.5, IE 8, and Chrome 3.0 handy at the moment, but it looks fine in all of those. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:24, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Firefox 3.5.2 on a Mac, FWIW. You can see the problem on this screen shot [[Media:RHeroesNewFCBorderProblem.jpg|here]]. Even allowing for JPG artifacting, the thinner lines at the top and bottom of the Decepticons column should be apparent in the full-res view.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:12, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Can you check [http://www.aldenbates.com/fctest.html this page] and see if the borders are correct? I suspect it's some sort of border-collapse bug. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:23, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::I thought we just sprayed for those things.... Anyway, the test page looks fine, all borders equal.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:50, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== "Murder" Category ==
What is that all about, why is it stuck in flux like "Things that doesn't exist", and why has it magically returned back to its former state after I pressed the "Save page" button? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:48, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
:Well, I'm not a ''scientist'', but I '''suspect''' it's related to the fact that [[:Category: Murder|both pages in the category]] promise to murder you if you don't understand a key concept described therein.
:I have no idea where your edits went; but they're not listed in history. Maybe it was just a server hiccup? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:03, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

:That's obviously policy related. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:29, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

::How can you view that category's history if it doesn't exist? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:50, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::How can you view something that doesn't exist?
:::We used to have a policy page specifically forbidding murder as a form of resolving debates. It got deleted.
:::People are a ''lot'' more civil now. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:34, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we might need that page back.
::::[[Talk:Alpha Trion (SG)|I admit that I may have at one point threatened anyone who dared to say that Alpha Trion was one of the 13 without any plausible evidence to back them up with murder using SG Alpha Trion's sword.]] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:23, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

== Login Timeouts ==

I've noticed recently that I keep getting logged out constantly... did we tweak something lately? (I think I had to log back in a good five times while working on Jackpot's article yesterday...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:50, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

:The system seems fine to me, I haven't got problem like this. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:52, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

:No problems here. Have you tried deleting your site cookies? That was happening to me on another site (a forum) and the problem went away after I deleted the cookies and logged back in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:09, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== Software upgrade (and known issues)==
Now that the traffic from ROTF has died down some, is it time we looked at updating the MediaWiki software we're running? The latest version out is 1.51. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
===Interwiki linking===
I was trying to link to this ( [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_Second_Inaugural_Address http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln%27s_Second_Inaugural_Address] ) article today... and I realized I couldn't do it.

I can interwiki link to WikiSource... but ''not'' to en.wikisource.org. <nowiki>[[wikipedia:Articlename]]</nowiki> links properly direct to en.wikipedia.com; since we are an english wiki, it [[Wikipedia:Help:Interwiki_linking|assumes we want to]] link to the English wikipedia... but ''no'' such assumption is made for WikiSource (because you could reasonably be assumed to be linking to a non-English source, once supposes.)

In fact I '''can't''' link to the spanish-language version of the [[Wikipedia: Tacitus| Tacitus]] article either; <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:es:Tácito]]</nowiki> takes me to a non-existant article named [[Wikipedia:es:Tácito|Tácito]] on the ''english'' Wikipedia.

It's not a big deal... the need to link to non-english articles is so rare that we can just substitute an external link. but it '''does''' means that we can't link properly to Wikisource '''at all''' because their articles ''require'' the language code to be set.... and we simply can't do that. (We should check back on this problem and see if it fixes itself with the software upgrade.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:04, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:That [[Wikipedia:es:Tácito|es:Tácito]] link does, in fact, take me to "http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tácito"! Once I hit en.wikipedia.org, I get redirected to the Spanish version. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:28, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
::I think that's being handled server-side by Wikipedia's server though. "No article by this name, what could they be searching for? There's a spanish one..." The point is that link format ''should'' take you to the correct sever ''without'' the server itself acting as a catchment for sloppy linking. (And Wikisource doesn't do that, which brings us back full circle.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:35, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Sure, ideally, but from looking at the MediaWiki source, it looks like that's how they intend interwiki links to the Spanish version of Wikipedia to be done. There's nothing stopping us from adding in our own Interwiki prefixes of course! So even if the update doesn't fix the problem, someone with database access can tweak the Interwiki table. I have noted down to suggest [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:SpecialInterwiki this extension], when we get around to installing extensions. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:20, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

===Macron issue===
I've only tested the SQL statement I came up with to fix the macron issue on version 1.12, so ideally that should be done before we upgrade the software. I sent it to McFly a while back, but haven't heard anything more. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:30, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

===SearchSuggest===
The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Search_Suggest SearchSuggest extension] which we're using will be obsolete once we upgrade (it's been replaced by native functionality as of version 1.13 of MediaWiki). I suspect that it'll probably need to be removed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:32, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

== Article "suites" ==

We've got a couple articles that're broken up into chunks because of length. (Mostly toy-sections.) I worry that the broken off bits become "less" somehow.

Enter [[Template:Suite]] which I've roleld out on the [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] article. It throws a quicknav up in the empty space to the right of the continuity note, and snugs it up against the disambig (if present.) The template has an "easy mode" and a "hard mode," but neither mode is ''particularly'' hard. Anyway... I thought this seemed useful. (Besides, Wikia has a proper nav for this sort of thing, and it irked me that we didn't. Theirs, however, occupies the spot where our "Factions" icons go, so...)

Thoughts? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:08, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

:I like it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:44, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::I like the idea! ;-D
::By the way, since we now have [[Template:Suite]], do we still need <nowiki>==Toys== or ==Merchandise==</nowiki> section (which contains nothing) in those page with template:suite? (But section such as "Marvel Comics continuity" should be kept because there are summary in the section.)--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''02:46, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think... yes? If only because people are so used to seeing them... they're level-2 headers. I don't think it's wise to ''depend'' on people noticing the suite thing at the top of the article.
:::And anyway, we still have a section for Prime in the Marvel comics, neh? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::::I agree. If people miss the suite box and go to to the bottom of the article, looking for Opty's toys, they'll be confused when they don't find the forwarding link. Definitely keep the toy sections. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:43, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Like the faction symbols, I view this as a more of an enhancement of the existing layout than a replacement. (Which is why I was so pleased to be able to sneak it into the 'empty space' to the right of the continuity note... no additional disruption to the layout.)
:::::I wonder if this (or a version of it) might proove useful for sub-franchise pages; e.g. Linking the Marvel Comics series page to the Marvel Comcis timeline page. Replace the [[Revenge of the Fallen (Wii/PS2)|game navigation]] we use. (It never quite sat right with me, switching to a different franchise navigation just for the games.)
:::::This isn't... ''there'' yet, but it's a step in the right direction I think. Just like creating the Franchise Navigation ''at all'' was a big step in the right direction in 2007, I think ''this'' (or a solution we evolve once this is in practice and we've got a clearer idea of what we need) could be a step toward that next-level-down interlinking that we're missing.
:::::And frankly, [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Optimus_Prime_%28G1%29 Wikia] had it and we didn't... and that's shameful. This wasn't even on my radar (at least in this specific application) until I noticed Wikia had it. (I happen to ''like'' their highly-visible solution better but; '''1)''' We have faction icons in that space. '''2)''' I think that solution breaks down when you have more than 1 sub-page... and we already have 3.)
:::::Unrelated to all that... the sub-pages are a bit bland to cross-navigate to. Is there any reason '''not''' to put pictures at the top of them? (I'm gonna throw one at the top of the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel Comics section]] as an example.)
:::::Even more meta... how do people feel about an [[Optimus Prime (G1)/weapons]] page? A sort of clearinghouse article to link provide top-level links to Roller, the Combat Deck, his Powermaster partners, our article on the Energon axe and his gun? (Note: I don't think we have an article on his gun... but we ought.) As well any anything else that's "form specific" (and thus really doesn't belong in the suite itself) but still prominent enough to have gotten its own article that's really "about" one aspect of Optimus Prime. ('Weapons' feels better than 'Equipment' for some reason... I don't know.) I'm just throwing the idea out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:18, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::::''If'' that counts, we do have [[Ion blaster|Optimus Prime's gun]]. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:22, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::::::Oh yeah, in fact TX55 set up the Wikia solution (it's identical code to the link on [[Christmas]] to the gallery). Personally I actually find it ''less'' visible than the suite block, partly because of the big three-line sitewide message they have which pushes the page title down. I completely missed the link to the archives on their Community Portal page, so at first glance it appeared as though someone had deleted all the portal chatter from before this April.
::::::Also, I agree completely about putting pictures at the top of the sub-pages. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:58, 21 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::If you were logged in the ad-spam wouldn't be there and it'd display properly in the H1. (The reason we ''don't'' do the factions this same way is because a sufficiently long page title is expected to wrap politely around the icons... and using CSS positioning would actually cause them to just smash on top of one another. It's not a ''big'' deal, but our solution is preferable; iPhones might have zooming full-screens, but the expanding e-reader market can be expected to mangle pages.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:16, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

::Definitely like it. And yeah, we should try to have a main pic for sub-pages. (For Prime's cartoon page, I propose his robot mode at the start of that one transformation sequence that got used in like half the episodes.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:41, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

:::When I took a look at this last night, I liked the idea but wasn't overly keen on the plainer look. What Derik has up there now however, that's ridiculously full of win. I approve.
:::I also agree both with main pics on the subpages and the weapon/equipment sub-page for Prime. Perhaps the main pic for the weapon/equipment page could be a screen capture of Prime pointing his gun at the "camera"? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 13:25, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

==nofollow for dead links==
I've noticed that some of our external links are to sites that are defunct. I can understand why we'd want to keep the link on, say [[Transform Your Way]], but we'll get dinged in our Search Engine rankings for each dead link. Is there any way we can get the rel="nofollow" tag in there for defunct links?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 04:15, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
:As far as I'm aware, <tt>rel="nofollow"</tt> is already enabled on all external links as a matter of course. It's enabled on the link on that page, for instance, if you look in the HTML source.
:Generally it's the opposite that we have to deal with... disabling the nofollow on links we ''want'' to send Google juice to. There was talk of that for TFU.info, the Universe profiles, and a few other sites, but I don't know if it ever got implemented. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:48, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah, good to know. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:15, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

::It hasn't been implemented - it needs someone with server access to edit the configuration file. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:48, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Scout's taken a whack at it, but the software is Mysteriously Not Cooperating. (I suspect that like similar issues it's just going to wait until we upgrade and see if that fixes it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:53, 22 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, that explains a lot! (I had similar fun trying to set up PHPBBS a while back) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:57, 22 August 2009 (EDT)

== Water gun article==
: Is there an article about the squirting guns of transformer toys? there is an article about a water gun used by Ironhide, but it has nothing to do with the gimick of a transformer squirting water. Should we make an article like the rest of the gimmicks?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 14:32, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::Yes. How about "water weapon"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:48, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:::To make it more easy to look for, could we call it water-gun? or water gun(toy)?I'm not going to start untill i'm sure what to call it.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:05, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
::::In the toy bios it is called a variety of things: aquapower, water power, water weapon... what about following the lead of [[sparking gimmick]] and call it "water gimmick" or "water-squirting gimmick". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:14, 24 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'll do my best to make a good article, be gentle on me, i've only made an article once before.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:18, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

== Our new resident vandal..... ==

{{main|Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism}}

== Wiki Acting Weird ==

Ok, what's up? I've just had an edit conflict with myself. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:28, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

== Googlejuice - Bad News Everyone ==

[http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=transformers+wiki Current Google]: TFWiki third for transformers wiki, behind two Wikia results

[http://www2.sandbox.google.com/#hl=en&ei=XmaUSry7C43EMI65_SI&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=transformers+wiki&spell=1&fp=7b823cb19394de08 New Google (a.k.a., "Caffeine")]: TFWiki fifth, behind two Wikia results and two Wikipedia results.

So. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:38, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

:Hmm, for me, we've been in "fifth" on google.com since soon after ROTF came out. I assumed it was just cause a bunch of bloggers had been linking to the Wikipedia article (and Google regards "wiki" as a synonym for "Wikipedia") in which case as the posts they made with the links in moved off their front pages, Wikipedia would move down again. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:11, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::The sandbox link you gave there is showing us third, San.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:41, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::::The sandbox link doesn't actually work for me now, for some reason. And, re: Abates... now I look, google.com does show as fifth, while google.co.uk shows as third. I didn't realise that .com and .co.uk showed different results for a worldwide search... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::They use a bunch of different databases which all seem to be updated at different rates. I see the one the sandbox version is using has an updated version of our [[Dirk Manus]] article (which annoyingly seems to have dropped out of the database google.com is using). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:09, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Content-wise, there's not a lot we can do. We were down a lot during the period when the Great Unwashed were blogging about Transformers and didn't know to link to the ''good'' wiki.
:::SEO is server-side, and no one's seen Scout in weeks. (I'd recommend we pursue the "canonical URL" thing, which search engines are supposed to like.) I'd be happy to take a whack at it... but I don't have FTP access. :p -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:20, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::::'''Note:''' canonical url's have been added to MediaWiki 1.15, the most recent version released in June. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:33, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Another good reason to upgrade! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:17, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, another good reason to '''perform a full database backup'''.
::::::Once ''that'' is done and copies saved in at least 3 different locations... ''then'' we can attempt an upgrade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:37, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:::::::One hopes after the previous incident that that would be taken as read! I'd reiterate my previous query regarding regular backups, but... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:07, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Backups are fine, I'm running a test restore to an alternate machine to confirm that the beloved database is okay. If we're going to run an update, I recommend we bring the wiki back to read-only prior to a nightly backup, do a test restore, make sure said test restore is functional, and then (and only then!) attempt the upgrade on the live server. That would probably take a few hours, and you're working around our job schedules, which makes it a little hard to find us. I'd probably drop the macron fix in at that point as well. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:15, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Confirmed. I just restored yesterday's backup to an alternate machine, and the whole thing came up with a working DB, just as we'd like. Huzzah! --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 12:19, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Just as a thought... we've now (I think) cleaned out the Wikia spam from all the ''active'' pages, but obviously the page histories are all still crammed with it. When the upgrade comes, could the filter that was originally ran to clean all that out be run again? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:38, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::The filter we originally ran was on the database dump before it was restored, whereas doing an upgrade would be on the live database, so the same technique wouldn't work. I don't know that there'd be much of a benefit to go about working out a way to scrub the spam from the histories — people don't look at them that often and the search engines don't index them.
:::::::::::Also: ''awesome'' news on the backups, McFly! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:03, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

===On upgrading...===
Just checking - whenever we upgrade, the relevant version of MediaWiki allows you to move images in the same way as pages, ja?

I ask because I made a [[User:SanityOrMadness/test2|list of all the Marvel UK cover uploads]] earlier today (NB: #168 and #170 don't appear to have been uploaded in any form, and quite a few others are GIFs, blurry or tiny) for future reference, and there really is no consistently-applied naming schema. ([[:Image:PerchanceToDream.jpg|Some don't]] [[:Image:Desert island risks.jpg|even mention]] [[:Image:BludgeonUK1.jpg|the issue number]] in their names. They ''should'' all be at "Image:MarvelUK-XXX.jpg", which is the most common and consistent with the "Image:MarvelUS-XX.jpg" format for the Marvel US series.) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:13, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

:Yes, newer versions let you move images. That's one piece of functionality I'll be glad to have! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:29, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Also, judging by Wikia, images are in a File: namespace instead of the Image: namespace. Hmm. (Incidentally, if you're in need of a laugh, go to the old wikia and click on "Recent blog posts" in the sidebar. Wow.) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:49, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== So Someone at IDW Reads the Wiki it Seems... ==

Oh, hey, the wiki's back up for me. Er. I guess I'll double-post this for the folks who don't read the Allspark, then:

Someone on the IDW forums pointed this out, and I realized they're right: At the back of All Hail Megatron #14, on the page advertising All Hail Megatron 15, the blue text behind the drawing of Perceptor is taken verbatim from our G1 Perceptor entry. All of it, seriously (I did manage to check before the wiki went poof...) I actually have no idea what to think of that. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:41, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Is that in-line with [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ the CC-BY-SA licence] (or, I suppose, the GDFL depending on when they locked for print), especially the "Attribution" part of that? [I don't have the issue, since I've never bothered with AHM, so I can't check that for what was said/used] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:52, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:It means that All Hail Megatron #14 is now Creative Commons, and anyone can make a copy of it or remix it without fear of legal repressions. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:58, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::'''Edit:''' Oh, it was an ad for the next issue. Just the ad is creative commons then, no biggie. We'll see if anything make it into the issue itself.
::Seriously, this is ''exactly'' why I was suggesting we adopt [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Relicensing#Suggested_direction|a separate license]] with terms for comercial productions that already have the TF license from Hasbro/Takara, to prevent ''exactly'' that sort of legal ambiguity. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:58, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I agree we should have a license that better reflects our legal rights and not-rights... it's just the question of how to legally switch to it without the impossible task of getting permission from every wiki contributor that's the problem. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:55, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I talked about this (how to rollout a second Hasbro-friendly license) a little... somewhere in that long-winded thing I wrote.
::::I've been poking at it for a couple hours... and I think that we'd be ''best'' off invoking the principle of a "customary freehold", an unwritten legal arrangement that's seldom seen anymore (because since the 19th century all contracts have been written down) but which is still recognized to be valid.
::::That would cast us as (try to keep a straight face) untaxed tenant farmers on Hasbro's land. We keep the result of our labor, but our work also benefits Hasbro in that it cultivates their land (promotes their brand.) No contracts were signed, but our mucking about on/with Hasbro's property does not make us outlaws... but some mixture of neighbor, a guest and serf. We incur obligation to our host, and Hasbro incurs obligation to its fans... both of which can be said to be "paid down" by characterizing the kind of fractional diffusion/transmission of intellectual property that takes place between both parties is a 'gift.' (This is distinct from turning a blind eye and pretending it does not exist, because it means that Hasbro actually ''has'' a right to use a small non-specified portion of our labors... we gifted it to them!)
::::''Put more simply'', it makes fans [[Wikipedia:pilot fish|pilot fish]] existing in a mutually beneficial symbiosis with a larger corporate entity.
::::The reason I favor '''this''' solution is because
::::* That's not a license. It's an underlying legal principle that was ''always'' in effect. (In other words, it applies to all past edits.)
::::* I think this actually reflects what fans believe they are doing then they contribute to the wiki, as well as our general belief that we've incurred ''some'' (though not overwhelming) moral obligation to protect our "Landlord"'s interests.
::::* The actual second license '''itself''' would grant limited usage rights in a more explicit manner for all edits made past 11-01-2009 (or whatever), then fall back on customary freehold rights for the remainder... and only when ''that'' is exhausted does Fair use come into play. In short- "we give them explicit permission to use this portion, they had implicit permission to use a portion of the remainder, and they have a legal right to use another portion of ''that'' remainder afterward without our permission." 3 levels of diminishing legal protection that act as "catchment" for Hasbro's use of our content. They would have to '''heroically''' abuse our content-- wholesale reprinting-- to bust all 3.
::::That's pretty much the best of all possible worlds... in that it actually has some ''retroactive'' application to old content, because rather than releasing the content under this principle it recognizes that this principle had always existed, just like Fair Use always exists. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:08, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I voted for that. At least I voted as close to that as possible without knowing a whole lot about the ins-and-outs of licenses and such. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:46, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::It doesn't work that way... those come INTO the cover. They only get infected if they go OUT of it again. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:16, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

===(Edit break)===
Actually, this makes me happy. You know why? Two reasons:
#The text is very definitely from ''our'' version of the article, not Wikia's. There are passages in that promo that we wrote after the split with Wikia.
#The text includes one of our nutball captions: "Like every other tough-guy group walk in the movies..."
This tickles me pink, really.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:09, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:That's awesome, especially the (no doubt unintentional) use of the caption. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:50, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::True, I am glad to know that the IDW folks don't look at Wikia... Does this merit a mention on the issue's page itself, with a link to the current Percy revision? (And maybe a nice, clear scan of the advertisement?) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:53, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think it only means the colorist of the graphic reads our Wiki. I believe it's one of the covers of AHM #15, not merely an ad. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:59, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::[[:Image:AllHailMegatron15 CoverA.jpg|Yep]]. It's going to be Cover A.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:10, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ah! In that case, I think [[Joana Lafuente]] is the colorist, if I'm remembering my IDW forum posts correctly. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:18, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Not surprising she'd throw a little love our way, considering. Personally, that's all I take this as.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:19, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

:If Hasbro contacts us RE: that cover, can we offer to settle a nickel? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:13, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::No actually, under CC-BY-SA3, no one person or body has the ability to act as legal proxy for all contribuitors. IDW would need to contact every single person who's ever edited the Perceptor article and get them ''all'' to sign off on it. (I'm not kidding, that's actually what the code mandates.) If they fail to do this, the result ''automatically'' becomes CC-BY-SA3.
::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/45915.html ...or we could do this.] (I've been researching you see.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Wait, if AHM14 came out on August the 19th, surely they went to print ''before'' we switched licences? Marvel print in North America, and they still go to print 19 or 20 days before an issue comes out. IDW print further afield (in South Korea, wasn't it?), and even AHM15 may well have gone to print before Aug 1. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:57, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[Oh, and while you're saying the "infection" is small, and limited to the ad/cover... the "infected" cover would/will include the Transformers and IDW logos...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:00, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

===A new argument===
Okay, this is a ''little'' specious, but I'm going to throw this out and see what others think...
* Preview art is often pending approval, (particularly covers) and may receive changes prior to the actual hard-copy publication.
* It would be most accurate to say that the work is first licensed (or at least re-licensed) at the time of hard-copy publication.
* The AHM#15 ad then, would be a work unto itself... complete with ad dress.
* The AHM #15 ''cover'', which will remove this ad dress (and possibly re-crop or re-present the base illustration) before adding ''cover dress'' is a new work... ''not'' derived from the AHM#15 ad. (the ad dress was not an earlier state from which the actual cover derived-- both the ad and the cover are branches of a dress-less illustration.)
* As such, at the time of AHM#15's publication, that cover will be licensed under whatever terms we have available... and ''not'' as a derivation of the AHM#15 ad.
I'm a bit wary of this... because it seems to claim that the online previews of the cover with no dress does ''not'' count as a licensed work. Yet such previews often are listed as 'subject to change' and thus are demonstrably not a final product. (In the case of Marvel titles, they can have cover elements completely altered when they realize their penciler traced copyrighted images.) Finally, and perhaps most lamely... the text on the preview isn't legible.

(Uh... FWIW the ad itself appears to be a slight crop-down, and perhaps had its colors re-graded compared to the original preview.)
Basically this hinges on the online preview not having licensed the content from us... defining it as 'an internal work-document' whose use of our content was ''not'' yet licensed under CC-BY-SA... the licensing to take place after final approvals at the time of hardcopy publication.

(This isn't entirely crazy, fair use allows you to make a cull copy of a movie for your personal use, but you'd have to clear the rights to use more than snippets for a comercial product. Graphic designers routinely do mockups of layouts without clearing the fonts or stock photography used... only doing so after the final version is approoved. Who are we to say at what point in the process the licensing occoured? We know only that it must have happened before the end.)

Thoughts? And does anyone know the actual publication date of AHM #15? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:15, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
:Nothing more specific than "September" for the moment. With any luck IDW's newsletter will come out tomorrow so my placeholder can finally get properly sorted. (It used to be that Tipton would have an up-to-date schedule on his blog sidebar, but he seems to have stopped regularly updating it.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:02, 31 August 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like it's coming out on the 16th. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:23, 1 September 2009 (EDT)
:::What a lovely due-date we have! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:30, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

===Preview's out===
Preview, cover text intact: http://www.bzzurkk.com/2009/09/transformers-all-hail-megatron-15-preview/ - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:06, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:Lovely. I have drafted some [http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/47225.html notes on a possible license.] Please feel free to review and respond.
:If no fundamental problems arise, I will probably beat my head against a wall tomorrow to flatten this into an actual $%^&* license text (with a forward-compatibility clause in case we discover a problem later) and propose it to the wiki for formal consideration.
:Whether or not anybody but me thinks it's a good idea... remains to be seen. - [[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

== Blinking redirects gone from Show Preview? ==
Was wondering where the triple-underlines and yellow blinking went whenever I hit "Show Preview". I might've missed the memo regarding that. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 13:19, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:You're right, it's not working for me either. I want that back, it was incredibly useful! :( --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like Derik made a typo when commenting out a bit of code in the stylesheet - there's a stray s after the comment. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:27, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Oops. I shall fix. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:51, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Shouldn't stuff like that be in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] anyway? Once it's tested and working, etc. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:36, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::In theory, but some people hate the blinking so I've held its status as "in development" until people either get used to it or a superior solution emerges. For example, Rosicrucian specifically asked me how to override the blinking a few weeks ago, so I think he's either messing about with different effects or at least ''intends'' to do so. Given that he's done a good chunk of our designwork (I do a lot of the template stuff, but he developed monacobook) there's a reasonable chance he's could come back with a solution everyone likes better, so holding the code as 'in development' for awhile longer is merely prudent.
:::::(If I had admin access I might feel different, but I don't, so going back to try to tweak code once it's in Common.css because you later realize it needs changing is a ''major'' hassle. So I try not to migrate these styles until they seem final and there's nothing on the horizon that seems likely to change 'em.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:00, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah. Maybe just yellow highlight and triple-underline them without the blinking? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:41, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I kinda like the animation as it catches the eye, though Firefox seems to have problems figuring out when you click on a blinking link. I'm thinking maybe if the text stays put and instead it has an animated background, which could be a small animated gif that pulses or something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:54, 27 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Oh, so THAT'S what that was. I was getting incredibly annoyed by that. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:39, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::It's ''supposed'' to be annoying, so you'll be motivated to change the redirect to the proper link to make it go away. (I tried telling that to Rosicrucian when he complained about the blinking, but I don't think I explained it very well...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:31, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Oh, why do they have to be back?! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Maybe because they're incredibly useful? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 09:29, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::Where did I put the code I gave Rosicrucian... ah, '''here it is'''. If you truly hate the blinking, add the following to [[Special:Mypage/monacobook.css|your style page]]:
<pre>#wikiPreview a.mw-redirect{
text-decoration: underline;
}</pre>
::::::::::::That will turn blink off. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::DERIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIK!!!!!
:::::::::::::That doesn't work. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:21, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Does so. Shift-refresh to clear your cache. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:11, 15 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I did that, and it still doesn't work. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 01:40, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Curious. You don't happen to be using Monobook as your defauly style instead of Monacobook, do you... ? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:57, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Nope. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:49, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== GoBox Problem ==

Is there something wrong with the GoBoxes? Whenever I go to [[Talk:Bulkhead syndrome]], I get a GoBox that leads to [[Max|this page]]. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:20, 2 September 2009 (EDT)
:Go-boxes for a given page will sometimes cache for short periods of time.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:09, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

==Can the nav-template images be variables?==
For example: The [[:Template:Nav-henkei|''Henkei! Henkei!'' nav-template]] uses the logo from the toy packaging, since that applies to the majority of the pages the template is on. However, the [[Henkei! Henkei! (Comic Bun Bun)|Comic Bun Bun ''Henkei!'' material]]
uses a completely different logo design, and it would be nice to be able to substitute it for just that page. This is one of several times I've wanted to be able to do that, and maybe there's a simple way to designate the image as a replaceable variable, but my markup-fu is weak. Any help is appreciated. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:35, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:<s>The answer seems to be "no"... for some reason, even with a default set in the parameter, the imagemap code refuses to parse the parameter's info.</s>
:<s>You could always just post the entire code of the navigation template manually on that one page with the logo code swapped...</s> --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:22, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:NM, I figured it out. You should be able to do this now:
:<nowiki>{{nav-henkei|logo=(filename)|size=(number)(unit)}}</nowiki>
:It's set up so that if the parameters aren't given, it'll just display the default, so you don't need to change the pages that do use the typical logo. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:36, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Awesooooooooome, thank you. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:32, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:::No problem. :) Let me know if you need any of the other navs altered, although you should be able to just copy and paste the code and change the defaults... (actually, with my [[User:Jeysie/FranchiseNavs|idea for a code revamp]], I wonder if it might be possible to just have one nav template with all variables...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Hmm, I didn't know you were playing around with franchise-nav revisions. I actually have a grand proposal cooking up in my head for a full breadcrumb-trail nav revamp that would be applicable to basically any non-character/item/place article. The idea being that if you're at, say, an article about a comic issue, there would be a nav in the corner with links to the series, franchise, and continuity family going up in a column. And if you're at a series-article, you would be one step up in that chain, and the nav would have links to all the other series in that franchise (presented in the current style), as well as the vertically-arranged "title" links to the franchise and continuity family. Then if you're at a franchise, you get links to the other franchises in that continuity family, plus the continuity family itself. And, finally, the continuity-family articles themselves would have a nav with links to the other families. It would be a change in functionality to the effect that the cluster of little links would always be lateral, and digging down into more specific topics would require links within the articles themselves. Currently that's the case with most articles, the exception being franchises. But I think it would be incredibly awesome to have that kind of breadcrumb-trail so a reader always knows where he or she is in the multiverse at large. Plus it would help clarify how the hierarchy of families and franchises and series and so on actually works in specific cases, since that's often been a source of confusion and argument.
::::But I figure I should cobble together a working sample of some sort before I formally present the idea, and I think I might need some more markup-fu before that's even possible. Or I could make a facsimile in Flash or something... Anyway, at the very least, I think having the ability to swap out the logo image is actually a step towards making this idea happen. So thanks again!
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:27, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, my current idea was mainly just trying to simplify the existing coding a little, as well as adding some prev/next links to the continuity family section. I think the big problem with breadcrumb links is that people would have to put them in by hand, which would make filling in comic stories even more work than it already is. The "continuity family" section of the comicnav template already tends to be pretty inconsistent sometimes depending on how the person creating the page chooses to link it. (In other words, it's a nice idea, but it'd be too contingent on people filling it in correctly.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:41, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::The episode nav template uses standard strings to identify continuities (like "g1toon") and then uses look-up tables to find the proper series page link for this, the proper "human-readable" for that link and even look up how many episodes there are in the series, and create automatic prev/next links as long as you give it an episode number.
:::::::The reason we use strings instead of pagenames is '''1)''' they're shorter, simpler, cleaner, more standardized... '''2)''' it means that if the page moves (or we change our mind on the naming convention) we only have to change it in ''one place'' in the lookup tables, and the link changes on hundreds of pages.
:::::::What I'm saying is... you DON'T need to force users to fill in series/franchise/family. ...just fill in the SERIES. Let the template fill in the rest! (And let you manually override the lookup if you explicitly provide variables, for maximum flexability.)
:::::::But that's not a system you can throw together by trial and error; it needs proper architecture planning or it'll be a godawful mess.
:::::::I guess what I'm saying is... if we really want to rationalize and standardize the major templates on the wiki... we need a serious meta-talk about what that means, in the broadest possible scope. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Well, the problem is... I agree it'd be pretty easy to auto-breadcrumb the TV series. But when you start getting into things like the comics and text stories, you start running into many different miniseries and individual issues, all of which fit into different continuities. I think the continuity family is already enough info for those, provided we make sure they all point to the right ones. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:48, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::That's not exactly a 'problem' as it's conventionally thought of. You could set up auto-fill-ins for the 6 most commons comics-- which would cover 70-80% of everything, but let manual values be set for the rest (or not set) to the level of detail you desire. No solution has to be 100% you know. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:05, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::No, but for stuff like the Marvel Comics it would take just as long to copy and paste in manual info as it would to paste in the new code, after all. So it's the new pages where people would have one more thing to add in that you'd really need to worry about, if it's part of that other 20%. Whereas I agree that new TV series episodes would get to have the benefit of auto-ness.
::::::::::I guess it just seems like a lot of work for little benefit, seeing as how the continuity part of the nav pretty much covers all the context necessary. Not that I don't think it's possible the ep/comicnav could use some overhaul (though what exactly I don't know; they both seem pretty complete to me), just that I don't think breadcrumbs would be an effective expenditure of time. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:43, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

::::::::I'm pretty much in agreement with that last sentiment, which is one of the reasons why I'm not technically proposing my idea yet. It needs a more concrete starting point (like a mock-up design) from which all the discussion and probably argument can branch. I have my own notions about how it could be set up in a way that wouldn't involve as much work or personal discretion as Jeysie suggests, but... well, now's not the time. Maybe later. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:12, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::So what needs revision? The episode templates-- fine. And the comic issues. And the franchise navigation. And a standard breadcrumbing system... but what else? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:17, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::I've noticed on the Marvel wiki that the "writer"/"artist" text in their issue infoboxes links to [[:Category: Writers]]. I'd liek us ot consider adding this. (Also, there's something about the size or spacing of their infoboxes I just ''like''... I think we might want to take a look at 'em when we get around to recoding.)

::::::Derik points out that in such a scenario, the breakcrumb need not be built into (for example) the episode infobox template. The more elegant solutions is something like:
<pre><nowiki> {{episode
|breadcrumb= {{breadcrumb
|continuity_family=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
|franchise=[[Armada (franchise)|]]
|series=[[Armada (cartoon)|cartoon]]
}}
}}</nowiki></pre>
::::::...where you'd be pass the whole breadcrumb template as a parameter to another template. That way if the breadcrumb also has to show up in other templates... there's a standard code, standard styling, etc. Cleaner simpler code, easier to maintain, more universal, easier to work with, less percussive maintenence, etc.
::::::That's not a solution to everything though, because we've got two prev/next/series navs for comics, and some of the Marvel issues could use ''four'' or more. Stacking 4 of those things is retarded, and pointless. We need a more rational means of addressing republished stuff. I went to look up when a certain Marvel UK issue was published the other day and we '''didn't have the information'''. ...because it was published in the US first, and our template only has one "pub date" field. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:52, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

::Sankyuu! Henkei needs a bit more love. :D --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:59, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

===CSS rationalization===
While discussing rewriting our HTML... we should also probably discuss CSS rationalization.

Right now our code has absolutely no regard for what the page looks like printed. (Those messageboxes at the top of pages probably don't need to be there when printed.) Do we want our links to have addresses when printed? For example, I believe CSS could make [[Optimus Prime (G1)|this link]] print like this link ("Optimue Prime (G1)") or like this link ( http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1) ) or like this link ( tfwiki.net/wiki/Optimus_Prime_(G1) ), any of which would be 'friendlier' for printed-out versions.

Of course, if this was applied to excessively [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PotHole PotHole'd] articles, the text it might become almost unreadable. Perhaps smaller or faded text would make tooting my own horn User:Derik less obtrusive when printed. Regardless what's decided for article text, I strongly believe that ''storylinks'' should have the disambig visible when printing. King of the Hill (Armada episode)

Printing, I grant you, is a fairly minor concern. But what about syndication? A few people are beginning to [http://www.botchthecrab.com/archive/history.asp dynamically syndicate] our content. Botch went to some trouble to remove our messageboxes and various other elements-- he just wanted the guts of the article. If we'd attached standard classes to templates (ones that have '''no CSS''' associated with them as far as TFWiki is concerned) he could have just syndicated the page as-is and hidden those elements with a few lines of CSS! (If nothing else, the storylinks need a class marking them... that seems like something that many would like to hide.)

Live page syndication is clumsy. (And I need to yell at Botch, because IIRC he's doing his in a terrible way, from our server's perspective.) But if we ''encourage'' it, it's another tool in our promotional quiver! (There was a PHP script I was working on the other month that actually has some ''fairly good'' TFWiki-specific syndication. If that was polished and made easy to use, it could have some legs.)

Soto-voice snark aside-- we really need classed like ''.noPrint'' and ''.printOnly.'' And when we redo our episode/issue infoboxes... the tables should be tested to they print nicely, '''and''' we should publish the CSS people can use to turn various 'bits off. (Or a 'general guide to site CSS', if only for our OWN use.)

How about this...? We've been moving a LOT of our code out of HTML and into CSS. One of the effects of this is that simply syndicating [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Package_art&action=render the "rendered" page]... a lot of the HTML layouts are gobbeltygook. Should we have a consideration for syndicators who don't include our CSS file? Maybe templates we know are unlikely to be wanted can be flagged with a ''.noSyndicate'' class, making it easy to hide them? Or we should have a Syndicate.css file that includes the bare-minimum CSS code for templates to lay out right? Should ''some'' templates (<nowiki>{{quote}}</nowiki>, for instance) be rewritten so that they will render in a readable (if not ideal) fashion even if no css is included? Is there a "scale" these questions all fall on... a sort of "how important is this element to the content of the page?" spectum, where at the low end we don't care and tell people to hide it, at the middle we provide identifying tags so they can be hidden, or a truncated CSS file so they render nice, and at the high end we write the HTML so the element will always be readable even without CSS to make it pretty? (That last one means code that's less contextual. Where do our priorities lie?)

These are philosophical issues. None are especially high priority, but the "cost" of addressing them is relatively tiny, so if we're doing some thorough redesigning... it'd be a good idea.

Some elements we have (like main pages) sometimes get quite "big" (laid out in a fashion that accepts a minimum of 500+ pixels wide.) Is it worth adding a ''.bigElement'' class or a ''.mobile'' class so that those elements can have code written in a mobile device CSS file that reduces their size? Is this even a concern for new mobile devices, which scale easily? How to Kindles handle them? Do e-readers support javascript? What about tablets and wireless internet devices?

More and more, content on the internet is going to be viewed by something other than what we normally think of as a "web browser," and because web-''developers'' spend all their time in web browsers they often neglect these outlets. We do not have to bend over backward to accommodate these technologies... if problems do arise, they will probably be the 90/10 sort; 90% of the solution/benefit can be accomplished with just 10% of the effort. '''Example:''' When [http://tformers.com a certain news site] rolled out their home page redesign several years ago, it mis-rendered on some versions of Safari-- pushing the story content below the left navigation bar. In short... the page appeared '''blank'''. This problem remained unfixed for almost a year-- it was caused by the nav rendering just ''one'' pixel too wide, pushing a floated layout down. This remained unfixed for almost a year. I'm sure that this bug only affected maybe 1% of site visitors. But after a year of blank pages... that 1% also probably '''stopped visiting'''. 1% over the course of a year is a ''lot'' of lost pageviews, it's like having your site be down for 3 days.

Anyway... that's my rant. There's no solutions there... just ideas/concerns/meta.

If other people are interested in discussing this sort of thing... may I suggest we create a dumping ground at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Quantum Cycle Upgrade]] where we can gather thoughts/issues about long-term infrastructure upgrades? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

:Picking up on just one thing for now:
::''Those messageboxes at the top of pages probably don't need to be there when printed''
:Thing about that is that they DO contain information you might want when printed that isn't contained elsewhere on a page (the writer of a story, for instance).
:I could certainly see a certain degree of stripping down the messageboxen for printing as a good idea (take a look at http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=End_of_the_Road!_(US)&printable=yes - it's not even just the {{tl|comicstory}} [which has become a bad name for that template as its' uses have multiplied...] box - the {{tl|featuredcharacters}} box further down could do with being stripped for print. And I'm not sure the {{tl|disambig2}} needs to be visible at all.), but I'm not sure about hiding them by default. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::I agree about stripping those kinds of things down... but when I said "messageboxes" I meant things like "picsneeded"; those have an ''enormous'' footprint, and they print. Their ''entire purpose'' is to alert editors of page deficiencies.... but people reading print-outs aren't editing those the pages, it's pointless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:32, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah. I wasn't thinking of those, just {{tl|comicstory}} and {{tl|episode}}. Yeah, removing {{tl|picsneeded}} and its ilk would make sense. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:20, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

== "(Marvel Comics)" or "(Marvel comic)" ==

*[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)]] (Jackpot moved it in June on the basis of "Consistency with how we treat other parenthetical comic-company names, such as "(Dreamwave comic)" instead of "(Dreamwave Productions)")
*[[Generation 2 (Marvel Comics)]] (Interrobang ''just got the (Marvel comic) redirect deleted'' on one of his rampages)
*[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] (appears to have always been here)
*[[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)]]

Would it be too much to suggest that we '''pick one and stick with it'''? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 08:43, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, not to mention Marvel UK's [[Collected Comics (Marvel)]], nor the characters [[Decepticon medic (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Jose (Marvel Comics)]]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 08:54, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
::[[Talk:The Transformers (Marvel comic)#(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)|The last discussion]] kind of stalled on the question of whether or not to have "Comics"/"comic" at all. Technically speaking, "(Marvel)" does the job. Before, I was favoring "(Marvel comic)", but I think now I'm leaning towards just "(Marvel)" because seriously, parentheticals should be as short as possible. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 09:24, 7 September 2009 (EDT)
:::[[Marvel Productions]] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:27, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Considering that Marvel Productions was apparently a child company of Marvel Comics, I don't see that as a problem. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:19, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::Marvel Productions (now defunct) relates to the '''cartoon'''. Marvel Comics (obviously) relates to the comics. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 10:25, 9 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Considering that any Marvel Comics-specific concept or character is either going to have the Comicnav template or some form of "Marvel Comics continuity" on the page... I ''still'' don't see a problem. Anything that comes from the cartoon is going to be just (G1) or say "cartoon continuity" since Sunbow is always the main company known for cartoon stuff. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:09, 9 September 2009 (EDT)

:"Rampages"? Really, now. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:08, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::I hereby dub thee a "Deckchair Rampage"! Hurrah, we now hast a term by which to call it! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:43, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

== Talk page "dead link" removal ==

Can I ask what is behind the mass removal of "dead links" on talk pages? Does having "dead links" on talk pages mess something up? I'm just curious. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:15, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for one thing, dead links that are not meant to link pages do somewhat pollute the "Wanted pages" index. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 16:45, 8 September 2009 (EDT)
::Oh. I'm surprised talk page links show up on "wanted pages." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:58, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

== Images for deletion ==

[[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] has marked a pile of unused images for deletion. Some of them, I suspect, are unused because of the Bookworm crash, like the [[:Image:Lipole swarm destroying shuttle FFOD4.jpg|pictures of Lipoles]]. I've made a start on some of them, but if anyone wants to pitch in and fix up some of the images we should keep, be my guest! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:59, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:True, part of them are, um, "victims"(sort of) of the Bookworm crash, such as [[:Image:Convoy BT.jpg]] and several others. I think those pictures should be hold and got checked/salvage for a while before being deleted. I've check the [[:Category:To be deleted]], but I can only recognize a few. People can check their watch list or Category:To be deleted to help ID those pictures they(users) know where they(pictures) belong to. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:26, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:I've noticed that several of them aren't "unused" per se--they're not used as images anywhere, but they're still wikilinked to. For example, [[:Image:Fat guard.JPG]] says "There are no pages that link to this file", but if you check "What links here", you'll see that [[Capture the Cube]] does in fact link to it. So before anyone deletes any images, I suggest checking if anything is wikilinking to them first. --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 08:42, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, I noticed a while back that the section under the image that lists pages which link to it only includes pages where the image is actually embedded. Plus some images are used in the site skin or CSS files, like the logos [[User:Derik|Derik]] set up to appear after links to certain sites. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:30, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

Are we intending to resurrect the community-nav template? The images used on it were among those tagged for deletion... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:11, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:I'll take that as a no. And down to 150 pictures now. Again, if anyone wants to take a look through [[:Category:To be deleted]] in case anything they recognise where the images are supposed to go, please do! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:16, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== Wikicode problems ==

I've noticed that a "=" (equals sign) in a URL linked as a source in a quote tag results in the entire source section not being displayed in the article. Example:
{{quote|I told them that I would literally commit suicide if they made an action figure of me. I will kill myself.|Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}
I fiddled around with the URL and nailed the source of the problem down to the "=". Is this problem common knowledge?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:15, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
: Been toying around my userpage.
: Check it out:
: <pre><nowiki>{{factions|former|decepticon}}</nowiki></pre>
: "former" (or whatever you write) is shown.
: <pre><nowiki>{{factions|=former|decepticon}}</nowiki></pre>
: "=" renders the text invisible.

: seems like "=" affects templates.

: hah. funny. -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 10:55, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

: '''EDIT:''' I'm so dumb... "=" is one of parameters used in templates. [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template] -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 11:03, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

::Is there any way to solve that problem? "=" appears in quite a few URLs.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:26, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

:::As Silver surmised, it's down to the equals being a template parameter.
:::Your options are:
:::#Escape the "=" as &#61; - [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International]
:::#Feed it through a URL shortener like TinyURL or bit.ly - [http://tinyurl.com/p36l6q Entertainment News International]
i.e.:
{{quote|I told them that I would literally commit suicide if they made an action figure of me. I will kill myself.|Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}
:::- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:36, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
::::Just add a "2=" to the code: <nowiki>{{quote|Blahblah|2=Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}</nowiki>
{{quote|Blahblah|2=Megan Fox, [http://enewsi.com/news.php?itemid=13816 Entertainment News International].}}
::::[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:37, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== "Murder" Category II ==

For some reason, it automatically deletes itself when I try to create it.

Weird. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:I'm pretty shore it's not supposed to be created, just like the things that don't exist category. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 06:38, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
::The Things that don't exist doesn't automatically delete itself. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:19, 16 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I know but those two categories are not to be created it's part of the joke. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:29, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

== Sourcing statements ==

I've recently dealt with a bunch of articles where statements were either entirely unsourced, or just broadly attributed to a source without more specific details (such as, just naming a magazine without stating the volume, issue number, date, page number etc., or not linking the online article/interview). I've spent quite some time tracking down the sources and then fixed the statements to better reflect ''what is actually said in those sources''. Basically, someone read a magazine interview and then added some trivia bits from memory, that kind of thing.

Should we have a more rigid mandate that statements should credit sources? I'm not talking Wikipedia-esque anal-retentive "author name, title of article, date of publication, date of accessing" details and sources for general knowledge stuff such as "Devastator has a Supreme Class toy in the ROTF toyline". But anything that is definitely based on a single source should better be followed by a footnote. Especially since a lot of these unsourced statements eventually turn out to be urban myths.

Should we make this a mandate, and if yes, how should we enforce it?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:25, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:It [[Help:Citing sources|already is a mandate]], [[Help:Style guide#Cite sources|technically speaking]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:34, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
::That's more of a style guide rather than an actual rule, though. My thought is something similar to what (at least the German version of) Wikipedia does: When you click "submit", you're shown a warning that asks you to make sure you have sourced your statements. It's not too obtrusive (clicking "submit" a second time will submit your text anyway), but it does drive home the point.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 15:19, 13 September 2009 (EDT)
:::Our style guides ''are'' rules, pretty much. And that one at least is definitely a specific policy. If we had to mandate every single rule we had before every edit, the Submit screen would have a sea of text. The best we can do is try to encourage newbies to actually read our Help and Policy pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:26, 13 September 2009 (EDT)

== This Day in Transformers History ==
We should try to turn the This Day in Transformers History into an exportable module, like our Go-Boxes. It'll help our SEO by encouraging links back to us as well as give us another source of dynmaically-generated deep links. We have content for all 366 days, we should exploit it. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 15:45, 16 September 2009 (EDT)

Bulkhead (Animated)

2009-09-16T18:25:26Z

63.203.180.99: /* References */

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Bulkhead}}
:''Bulkhead is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AniBulkheadPromoModel.jpg|thumb|right|300px|[[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] called; he wants his head back.]]
The biggest and strongest of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s crew, '''Bulkhead''' appears to be little more than a big, dumb lummox at first glance. The second and third glances don't do much to improve that impression. Raised on a backwater [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] farm, he joined the Autobot academy to achieve the lofty goal of becoming a lowly [[space bridge]] technician rather than a warrior. He also has an unfortunate tendency to break stuff by accident due to his sheer strength and natural clumsiness. He's wrecked major thoroughfares and toppled skyscrapers in his zeal to be ''helpful''; when he gets angry, he's capable of berserker charges that even the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]] have learned to respect and fear. His penchant for being a little too eager to please others and getting a little too emotional at times further leads him to act without thinking. Add in a seeming lack of skills beyond "destruction", and it does not paint a pretty picture.

But despite all these shortcomings, one is hard-pressed to find a bot with a bigger heart, and he has astounding (if sometimes well-hidden) depths. He hates being thought of as the clumsy brute of the team, which has bred a certain amount of careful forethought and cautiousness. He's endlessly loyal to and protective of his friends, especially his best buddy [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and the [[human]] girl [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]], even if their impulsive behavior is sometimes annoying. Since coming to [[Earth]], he has discovered a love of art and the urge to express his true feelings through it. He's not very good at it, but he keeps trying anyways. Perhaps most surprising of all is that he is [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s foremost expert in space bridge technology, even though he may not be able to build one himself without accidentally breaking at least half the components.

{{quote|You guys got it easy. All people want me to do is break stuff. I've got a sensitive side too, you know... but breaking stuff '''is''' kinda fun.|Bulkhead meditates on his lot in life|"[[Home Is Where the Spark Is]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Bill Fagerbakke]] (English), [[Tilo Schmitz]] (German), [[Ireneusz Załóg]] (Polish)

[[Image:Autobot Cadets.jpg|thumb|left|250px-Autobot Cadets.jpg|Auditions for the new Transformers series are now closed...]]
Bulkhead was originally an energon farmer and attended [[Autobot boot camp]] in order to qualify as a space bridge engineer. It was there that he first met Bumblebee and their trainer, [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Minor]]. To begin with, Bumblebee had no interest in being friends with the gentle giant, insulting him with the nickname "mudflap". A friendship blossomed after Bulkhead saved Bumblebee from some "malfunctioning" turrets, dropping a building on Sentinel in the process. In order to prevent Bulkhead from being expelled, 'Bee took the blame, and they both ended up on space bridge detail. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

[[Image:Ani crew.JPG|250px|thumb|right|ROAD TRIP!!!]]
Eventually, they were placed under [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime's]] command. While repairing a space bridge, the team discovered the long-lost [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. However, the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] soon arrived, prompting Bulkhead to mention that he had never seen a Decepticon ship up close. (No one had and lived, as [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] pointed out.) Bulkhead did his best to hang on while the Autobots drove their ship through the space bridge. Coming out of warp, they went headlong toward [[Earth]], and he joined his fellow 'bots in heading into stasis to avoid the impact shock of an unpleasant landing.

After emerging from stasis and his [[reformatting]] into a terrestrial six-wheeled APC, Bulkhead accompanied the other Autobots to investigate a large, cybernetic creature that was menacing the local lifeforms (which they assumed were robots like themselves). Bulkhead requested help from a group of local drones, then noticed [[Sari Sumdac]] trying to take her keycard away from her robot dog, [[Sparkplug (robot dog)|Sparkplug]]. Assuming Sari was the pet, Bulkhead greeted her—which promptly sent her running and screaming. Way to make first contact there, big guy.

[[Image:Bulkh alt.JPG|200px|thumb|left|Let's see [[wikipedia:Grave Digger (truck)|Grave Digger]] beat this!]]
After [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] arrived to take the AllSpark, the Autobots engaged him in a fierce game of "Keep-away". At one point, Bulkhead tried to catch the AllSpark, shouting "I got it." Starscream snagged the AllSpark instead, but Bulkhead knocked the [[Seeker (body-type)|Decepticon flier]] out of the air with his wrecking ball, causing him to drop the AllSpark. It's not nice to contradict Bulkhead. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

Later, in Autobot HQ, he said he had some problems, because all humans wanted from him was to break stuff. After all, he had his sensitive side as well (even if breaking stuff was fun). When [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] attacked the Autobots' base, Bulkhead got in touch with his inner breaker, confirming that smashing stuff IS fun! Megatron had different plans for him, though, and Bulkhead discovered it's not as much fun to BE smashed. After Bulkhead was saved, he tried to catch a [[Pocketbot|tiny machine]] that looked like it might be the culprit. Prime hoped to study it and find out where it came from, but Bulkhead smashed the little critter to pieces when he grabbed it. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

[[Image:TFA Blast Past Bulkhead Tutor Bot.JPG|250px|thumb|right|The pizza's ready!]]
After that [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] tried to train Bulkhead to be more subtle in his actions, to assess a situation, choose the right move, then execute it with grace and precision. This didn't meet with any real success, as Bulkhead's antics damaged the base and caused him to fall on Prowl. Moving to an island in Lake Erie, Bulkhead tried again. He knocked down some trees which fell on Prowl. Things actually got worse when Bulkhead tried to use Prowl's methods against the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], a trio of animatronics run amok. Prowl wisely advised Bulkhead to stop doing what Prowl would do and instead do what Bulkhead himself would do. Bulkhead quickly discovered that his blunt, powerhouse approach had its place and time for proper use, charging and knocking down [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]], hitting [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] out of the air, and throwing [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] into a pit of molten tar. Afterward, the Dinobots were due to be melted down. However, Prowl suspected the Dinobots were actually alive, not mere machines, so he enlisted Bulkhead's help in secretly transporting them from their prison to the deserted island on Lake Erie. There they could live undisturbed and perhaps get themselves under control. Prowl had realized that just because something was big and lumbering and destructive was no reason to give up on it, and Bulkhead knew just what he meant. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

When Bumblebee had his bout with [[Colossus Rhodes]] that escalated into a parking lot brawl, Bulkhead arrived with the others to stop the mad giant and tease Bumblebee about his size. Bulkhead's size proved a liability when he got caught in an opening in [[Sumdac Tower]]'s defense shield, making him a sitting (but not defenseless) duck for an upgraded Rhodes, using his wrecking ball to send the brute flying. When the shield was deactivated he was the first into the tower, scooping up [[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] in his fist... a very bad mistake, since the villain was made of acid. His action gave the other Autobots time to defeat Meltdown, so it turned out okay. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}

On a shopping trip for Sari's birthday present, Bulkhead worked with Sari to rein in the pesky [[Professor Princess]]. The next day, Sari's birthday party began poorly, as the guests were all children of Sumdac Industries employees, who found Sari too weird for their tastes. The Autobots' arrival made things a little more interesting, but klutzy Bulkhead soon found himself ignored, alongside Sari, as the kids went for rides with the other Autobots (even Ratchet). Bulkhead wanted to give Sari her gift, a xylophone, but was too embarrassed to do so when he saw Dr. Sumdac's gift, a musical robot named [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]. For the next several days, Sari's attention was drawn away from her friend as she spent her free time plugging her key into the toy to upgrade it. Bulkhead realized that there was something off about Soundwave, but his attempts to prove it just forced a wedge between Sari and himself. Megatron's machinations to increase the split between them didn't help. It turned out the big guy was right on the money, however, as Soundwave was a creation of Megatron's that gained sentience through the key. Soundwave took control of the machines of Detroit and captured Sari. When Bulkhead came to her rescue, Soundwave attempted to convince Bulkhead of the inferiority of humans. For a few minutes, it seemed Bulkhead was on his side, but with a wink to Sari, he punched Soundwave so hard that the Decepticon shattered into his component parts. Sari apologized, and the pair played with Bulkhead's gift, albeit after Sari nearly broke her hand punching Bulkhead's fist. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}

Soon afterwards, trouble arrived in the form of [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]]. Answering their challenge, the Autobots confronted the pair in a construction yard. Bulkhead charged Lugnut and the two engaged in a grapple, but even Bulkhead's power wasn't enough against the massive Decepticon, who threw him aside. The second round didn't go too well either, as Lugnut never had a chance to fight before the Decepticons were defeated by the Autobot ship's main cannon. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

After Sari was abducted by the Dinobots, Prowl and Bulkhead went to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] to investigate. What they found was Meltdown, who damaged Bulkhead to the point of unconsciousness and trapped Prowl and [[Captain Fanzone]] (who had been tailing them) underground. Bulkhead spent the rest of the episode out cold until Sari was able to restore him. On the boat ride home, Sari showed she could take care of herself by kicking Bulkhead, who pretended to be hurt and accidentally fell into the ship's hold. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}

[[Image:Caged bulkhead.jpg|200px|thumb|left|And now we know how the caged Bulkhead sings...]]
After destroying a good portion of a city block trying to stop a missile impact, Sari suggested to Bulkhead that he explore his more creative talents to show the citizens of Detroit that he wasn't [[Sixshot|an engine of destruction]]. Bulkhead had difficulty making his creations (his paint brushes kept snapping between his fingers) and panicked when he learned that Sari had arranged an art show for him. (Girl has connections.) While lamenting his lot in life, he was knocked out cold by a sudden electrical surge. When he came back online, he found that his body had been stolen. As Bumblebee attempted to help him finish his art pieces in time for the show, the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] used Bulkhead's body to take control of a solar fusion plant, intending to detonate it unless he was paid a hefty ransom. Optimus used the ransom delivery to sneak the Autobots into the plant, where they defeated the Headmaster and reattached Bulkhead to his body...backwards. As the reactor reached critical, Bulkhead came up with a drone that would set the rods back, but the drone melted in the process. Not to be daunted, Bulkhead added it to his art collection, showing the citizens of Detroit his [[Slog|warzone art]] without them even knowing it. {{storylink|Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster}}

When Decepticon energy signals were detected, the Autobots quickly realized that they were outnumbered. Bulkhead mentioned that the Dinobots might be able to help, not aware that Prowl hadn't told Optimus they had moved them to Dinobot Island. Prime was furious and ordered the two to take him there at once. After searching the island, the Autobots found the Dinobots. They were unwilling to help, so the Autobots left, unsure of their next move. When Bumblebee contacted Prime, saying that Starscream was at Sumdac Tower, he ordered him to stand down. When they arrived at the tower, they saw Bumblebee fighting Starscream. Prime dryly noted that disobeying orders was becoming a habit, but Bulkhead wasn't too insulted. He was too busy being shocked by [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] bursting through Sumdac Tower. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

Quickly regaining his composure, Bulkhead charged Megatron, only to have his wrecking ball severed and be thrown into a building. After the short battle, Sumdac told them how he had rebuilt Megatron. Bulkhead sounded as if he was about to crush the professor, but Prime told him that it was unimportant. Using excess key energy in Sumdac's equipment, the Autobots repaired themselves, and Prime apologized for his harsh words. Ratchet and Sari came by in the ship, picking up the Autobots, but they were shot down over Dinobot Island. During the subsequent battle, Bulkhead brought down [[Lugnut]]. The zealous Decepticon was stronger than Bulkhead, but as he activated [[Punch of Kill Everything|his punch]], Bulkhead used his wrecking ball to detonate it, sending Lugnut flying. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

While repairing a damaged overpass, Bulkhead became stuck in some cement, but hid it to avoid being embarrassed. He was nearly destroyed when he used outdated, unstable fixative, but was saved by two newly sentient machines named [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]]. Once they helped him finish the repair work he'd been doing, Bulkhead reluctantly went with them for an oil break, though he wasn't sure it was okay to take it straight from a tanker ship. He WAS sure the rest of the Autobots would like his new friends. The crass construction workers did not impress the other Autobots, however, and things only got worse when a game of flattened-oil-can frisbee severed Sari's pigtails (and nearly her head), leading Prime to evict the two. The next day, Bulkhead went looking for his friends, discovering that they had stolen parts for something Megatron was building. When Bulkhead told them that the Decepticons were [[wikipedia:Men in Black (film)|the scum of the universe]], the two went to challenge the Decepticons, without telling Bulkhead where to find them. The other Autobots were concerned that Scrapper and Mixmaster would sell them out, but Bulkhead still defended them. Unfortunately, the newly dubbed [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] ''did'' side with the Decepticons, taking Bumblebee hostage and demanding the AllSpark fragments the Autobots had. Bulkhead gave them the fragments and a cup of oil for the road, but he had spiked the oil with the outdated fixative from the other day. The subsequent explosion scrambled their memory circuits, and Bulkhead drove the amnesiac Transformers away, admitting that he had been wrong to trust them. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}}

After [[Wasp]] escaped, Bulkhead tagged along with Bumblebee in an attempt to track a leaked signal, but 'Bee's attitude became unbearable, and Bulkhead stormed off. The kindhearted bot couldn't stay away, however, and helped Bumblebee out of a minor scrape. Bumblebee apologised, but Bulkhead shook it off; their friendship had rock-solid foundations. Reconciled, the two headed back to base, having missed a rather conspicuous mine shaft entrance. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

Bulkhead later made an abstract painting of Sari in the style of Picasso, but the other Autobots' suggestions ended up ruining the painting. He and Sari took a walk to clear his head, and Bumblebee came and genuinely tried to apologize. This went rather poorly, and got even worse when Megatron arrived. He kidnapped Bulkhead and took him to his base. Megatron revealed that [[Shockwave (Animated)|his double agent]] had learned that Bulkhead was Cybertron's top space bridge technician, and forced Bulkhead to help the Decepticons repair a space bridge they had reverse engineered. If Bulkhead refused, Megatron would use a Headmaster unit to steal his body and kill all of Bulkhead's friends, starting with Professor Sumdac. Bulkhead agreed to help, but Professor Sumdac believed that Bulkhead was trying to sabotage the device, and told Bulkhead to let him give the instructions to avoid sounding preposterous. Furious at everyone doubting his skill, Bulkhead actually ''fixed'' the space bridge, allowing Megatron to teleport the Decepticons to an underdefended Cybertron. See Bulkhead, this is why people don't take you seriously. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

During a three-way battle between the Autobots, the Decepticons, and Starscream's [[Starscream clone|clones]], Bulkhead tried to shut down the space bridge, but was locked with [[stasis cuffs]] by a [[Slipstream (Animated)|female clone]]. After Megatron explained his plans and how Bulkhead had helped. the other Autobots expressed confusion at his skills, and Bulkhead explained that he had read all the space bridge schematics on the energon farm. Unfortunately, power problems arose, which Megatron tried to fix with by adding Starscream's AllSpark powered head into the power core. Unfortunately, this caused an overload which Bulkhead theorized would suck up all of Michigan. Fortunately, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] arrived and allowed himself to be sucked into the portal. When the Autobots escaped, Bulkhead theorized that Omega was merely transported to another section of space, and had hope that he was still alive. Unfortunately, any effort to locate Omega was put on hold when Sari noticed that the skin of her arm had been torn...revealing robotic circuitry underneath! {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

While Bumblebee and Bulkhead were surprised and concerned about Sari's revealed techno-organic nature, they remained focused on the more imminent problem; namely that their old friend Longarm was really a Decepticon spy. However, because Omega Supreme was transwarped to another part of the galaxy, they no longer had Teletran-1 and thus had no way to contact Cybertron. A suggestion from Optimus gave Bulkhead the idea of building their own Space Bridge, seeing as Bulkhead was the Space Bridge genius (a title Bumblebee claimed he'd never get used to). Bulkhead theorized that he might be able to put something together if they salvaged enough parts. The two of them quickly left to dig any useful parts out of the ruins of the mine, namely the [[plasmadynamic thruster]] (the component that generates the transwarp field) and the recon beacon generator (the component that allows one to lock on a specific area to transwarp to). Bulkhead found the recon beacon generator (after Bumblebee nearly tossed it away) and Bumblebee was about to give him the plasma dynamic thruster when it caught a stray transwarp signal (presumably from Omega Supreme's earlier transwarp) and was sent to another part of the galaxy. When Bulkhead turned around, Bumblebee was gone. Hearing a noise, he investigated, thinking it was his little buddy. But it was actually Henry Masterson who had found both his lost [[Headmaster unit]] and Starscream's discarded body (definitely not little and not Bulkhead's buddy). Masterson then soundly trashed Bulkhead and left him buried under a pile of rocks.

Later, Ratchet found him and brought him back to the plant. Ratchet was about to work on repairing Bulkhead when Sari beat him to it, much to Ratchet's annoyance. When Bumblebee's energy signature could not be found on Earth, Bulkhead realized that he wasn't on Earth. The plasmadynamic thruster must have caught a stray transwarp field and sent Bumblebee to another part of the galaxy. In theory, Bulkhead could retrieve him with the recon beacon generator, provided he could get it working. Ratchet was about to attempt to do so when Sari beat him to the punch again. A little while later, Bulkhead detected a stray transwarp field. Using the recon beacon generator, Bulkhead managed to reel Bumblebee back to Earth, inside the belly of a [[rock creature|giant rock alien]]. The alien, noticeably ticked about being exposed to the bright light of the [[sun]], went on a rampage in Detroit. Of course, Bulkhead couldn't just smash the alien with his wrecking balls since Bumblebee was inside it. However, Sari once again provided assistance with her new upgraded form and neatly disposed of the rock alien and rescued Bumblebee. But then her body became overloaded with Allspark energy and she started going on an uncontrollable rampage, causing every electronic device she touched to explode. When Bumblebee was stabbed by Sari in an attempt to stop her, Bulkhead, Prowl, and Optimus worked together to remove the Key from her system. However, its energy had been completely drained into Sari, making both the Key useless and Sari still unable to control herself. Bulkhead suggested that she tried to hold it in like when she had to go to the 'sleep-room'. Sari attempted this, but this only caused the initiation of a self-destruct sequence. Fortunately, Ratchet was able to temporarily shut her down with his EMP generator.

Later, the group was at the plant, mulling over the events of the day, including Optimus revealing the Autobots' secret base to Professor Sumdac. When Bumblebee threatened to transwarp again, Bulkhead took the plasmadynamic thruster from Bumblebee's backpack and turned it off. But then Omega Supreme appeared, under the control of Megatron. The group headed for the river to keep Megatron from damaging more of the city. Bulkhead and Bumblebee acted as decoys while Prowl and Optimus worked on freeing Omega from Megatron's control. Their plan worked, only for Starscream's head, which Megatron was using as a battery, to take over Omega's body and toss out Prowl and Optimus. With them unable to get back in and Starscream threatening to transwarp to Cybertron and use Omega to take it over, Bumblebee and Bulkead got the idea of using the plasma dynamic thruster on Omega Supreme. With a little teamwork from them and Optimus Prime, they attached the plasma dynamic thruster to Omega Supreme, causing him to go on an endless and random transwarp cycle throughout the galaxy. However, they still needed to find a way to contact Cybertron about Shockwave. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

Soon afterwards, Bulkhead teamed with Prof. Sumdac to build a space bridge at Sumdac Tower. Sumdac was willing to make up to the Autobots for unwillingly helping the Decepticons during his long captivity, though he kept slowing down work by continuously mentioning Megatron and insisting the confiscated Headmaster Unit was staring at him. Eventually, the two of them got the power core assembled and loaded on a green and purple forklift. Bulkhead inserted an Allspark fragment into the power core for a source of energy. Prof. Sumdac warned Bulkhead that it might [[A Bridge Too Close, Part II|overload it]]. Bulkhead reassured the Professor that he knew what he was doing when it comes to space bridges. Unfortunately, his leaning on the forklift caused too much pressure and the floor gave out. Bulkhead managed to save the Professor, but the forklift, the power core, and the Headmaster Unit fell down through three floors. While Sumdac went to rest from his near brush with death, Bulkhead went to find some structural experts. Fortunately, he knew just the bots for the job.

Bulkhead found Mixmaster and Scrapper at an automobile disassembly factory, drinking motor oil and hooting at the stripping vehicles. The two Constructicons were less than pleased to see Bulkhead, evidenced when Scrapper pinned him against the wall. (Apparently, Scrapper's a lot stronger than he looks.) Bulkhead managed to talk them into helping them, seeing as how the other Decepticons weren't going to turn up for them any time soon. The two construction bots agreed since wasn't any rule against moonlighting, but Megatron can never know about this. Bulkhead reassured them Megatron will never hear of it. I mean, it's like the two of them will be talking any time soon.

When they returned to Sumdac Tower, the Constructicons went to work, mentioning this is going to cost some serious overtime. Bulkhead told them to take all the time they needed. He was almost able to persuade them to switch to the Autobots when Scrapper pulled up the forklift from before, surprisingly in good condition despite it's crashing through three floors. But it turned out the materials that fell down before have been fused together by the Allspark, creating a grumpy new Constructicon named [[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]]. Dirt Boss quickly took command and cowled Scrapper and Mixmaster into submission by forcing Scrapper to hit himself using a cerebro-shell. Bulkhead tried to contact Prime about this new problem, but he and the other Autobots were busy with Lugnut. Prof. Sumdac came into the lab, wondering what was causing all the commotion and saw the Constructicons. Due to his unhappy dealings with them, Sumdac demanded that they leaved at once. Dirt Boss didn't take too kindly to that and was about to squish the Professor when Bulkhead quickly told Dirt Boss that Sumdac worked for him. Bulkhead then 'angrily' demanded Sumdac to build the plasmadynamic thruster before he got a face full of wrecking ball. However, Sumdac didn't notice Bulkhead's winks and thought it was real.

Dirt Boss then took Mixmaster and Scrapper out into the city where they started stealing oil so they can hold the city for ransom. Bulkhead tried to talk Mixmaster and Scrapper out of following Dirt Boss, but the two of them were too interested in gaining oil to listen to Bulkhead. Mixmaster even stuck Bulkhead's feet to the ground with his cement. Later, Captain Fanzone inquired whether the 'rude, 30-foot robots' were friends of Bulkhead. Bulkhead tried to convince the Captain that Mix and Scrap were good bots, just misprogramed. However, Fanzone was only conscerned about machines acting up his town.

Bulkhead followed the Constructicons back to the disassembly factory, where Dirt Boss was chewing the first two Constructicons about 'drinking the profits'. Prof. Sumdac found Bulkhead and had brought the plasmadynamic thruster that 'he wanted it done yesterday'. Bulkhead told the Professor that he was just acting so the other bots wouldn't hurt him. When said bots appeared behind him, Bulkhead put on his act once again, only with the Professor knowing it this time. Dirt Boss then told of his plan to destroy the fossil-feul refinery so they would have the only source of oil in Detroit. Bulkhead finally decided this had gone too far and tried to stop them. Unfortunately, his plan wasn't very well thought out and he got his right wrecking ball stuck in Mixmaster's left 'cement-cannon'. The Constructicons simply dragged Bulkhead along, with Bulkhead protesting all the way.

When the Constructicons got to the refinery, Bulkhead nearly won Mixmaster and Scrapper over by reminding them that if they destroyed the refinery, they wouldn't be able to get more oil. But Dirt Boss, who has had enough of Bulkhead's mouth, used a cerebro-shell to order Mixmaster to take Bulkhead offline. This lead to a rather interesting battle between the two of them, seeing as how they were stuck together. Bulkhead managed to open his com-link so the other Autobots would hear him in trouble. When Scrapper noticed this, he took the cerebro-shell off of Mixmaster and plugged into Bulkhead. Dirt Boss then ordered Bulkhead to light the oil tank and blow up the refinery, something that would have also destroyed Mixmaster since he was stuck to Bulkhead. But when the other Autobots came, Dirt Boss changed his orders for Bulkhead to attack the Autobots, using Mixmaster as a wrecking ball. Eventually, Ratchet was able to remove the cerebro-shell. Bulkhead then separated himself from Mixmaster by using the spilled oil as it's supposed to be used, as a lubricant. One swing from his wrecking ball sent Mixmaster flying, but he fell onto Scrapper and the sparks from their collision lit the oil. When the fire proved impossible to contain, Prof. Sumdac came up with the idea to transport it with the plasmadynamic thruster. Bulkhead reprogrammed the thruster for a shorter distance and tossed it on top of the oil tank. The tank, as well as the Constructicons who were on top of it, were transwarped over Lake Erie near Dinobot Island where the tank exploded harmlessly. However, the Autobots still needed to cart away Lugnut, only to find that he had been freed by [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]]. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

When Wasp came to Earth, he attack Bumblebee and switched identities with him, via an [[electronic paint job]] concealed in the switched helmets that also altered their voice synthesizers. Even Bulkhead was confused by the clever disguising and nearly smashed Bumblebee with his wrecking ball, presumably to get even for Wasp's bullying at boot camp. Fortunately, Bumblebee was able to make Bulkhead realize who he really was by reminding how he took the fall for knocking that building on top of Sentinel Prime. Bulkhead realized the truth at the last second and bounced (yes, you read that right, ''bounced'', accompanied with squeaky footsteps too) over and hugged Bumblebee. But then they were attacked by a [[Jetfire (Animated)|new]] [[Jetstorm (Animated)|pair]] of flying Autobots, who thought that Bumblebee was Wasp and, since they also thought Wasp was a traitor, Bulkhead and Prowl were too. The minor misunderstanding was quickly settled when Optimus Prime, Jazz, Ratchet, and Sentinel Prime appeared and Bulkhead explained how he knew Wasp is really Bumblebee (with a squeaky bouncing dance thrown in too). When they went back to the plant, Wasp had already boned up on everything regarding Bumblebee on the computer files and thus an information quiz was therefore useless. However, Bulkhead knew one way to prove who was the real Bumblebee: a death match of [[Ninja Gladiator]] between the two suspected Autobots, on account that Bumblebee is "the best player around". Wasp, not knowing any fighting moves from his long time in the Stockades, panicked and threatened to slag Bumblebee. When Wasp claimed he used to be a good bot before Bumblebee ruined him, Bulkhead countered that he was always mean to him and Bumblebee, thus while not being a traitor, Wasp was never a good bot. Wasp then shot the lights out and made a break for it. Bulkhead found him outside lying on the ground and jumped on top of him, punching him repeatedly. Only to find that Wasp had switched identities again and Bulkhead had pounded Bumblebee. Oops. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Bulkhead went to the moon with Bumblebee, Sari, and Ratchet in order to take back Omega Supreme. Following the destruction of the Starscream Supremes and Megatron's defeat, Bulkhead returned back to Cybertron with the team and was holding Prowl's body with Ratchet, Jazz, and Bumblebee.
{{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}{{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===Titan Magazines===
[[Hasbro|Toy companies]] have made an action figure of him! {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3|Crossroads!}}

The Dinobots saved him and the others from [[Starscream clone]]s, which was good. They then didn't leave and Bulkhead's sleeping space was taken up by Grimlock, which was not good. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Dino-MIGHT!}}

Later, the Autobots were buried by the villain [[Quake-Maker]]. Bulkhead's great strength freed them from the ground, and then he ''vanished completely'' from the battle. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 1|Burnout}}

On his day off, Bulkhead was dragged to a basketball game by Sari, Prowl and [[Afterburn]]. Bulkhead didn't see the point of the game and was being mistaken for a litter bin by the humans. Luckily a demented supervillain attacked Detroit and they had to leave the game—but as a diversionary tactic, the evil [[Crossroads]] blackmailed Detroit into trying to destroy the Autobots! The Autobots saw through this and intercepted the villain at [[Sumdac Tower]], with Bulkhead taking down reprogrammed security drones. After beating the villain, Bulkhead now enjoyed basketball and happily watched the game ''for no reason''. {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 3|Crossroads!}}

When the Decepticons raided the Autobot base, Bulkhead joined the gang in successfully driving them back out. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

When Prowl and Bumblebee decided to have a race to see who was fastest, Bulkhead was eager to join in, much to Bumblebee's mockery. Nevertheless, off Bulkhead went... and, thanks to the other two being distracted by Decepticons, he ''won'' and was officially King of Speed. Optimus and Ratchet lifted him up in a display of victory (their shoulders hurt!). {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|The Race}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:TFAnimated Voyager Bulkhead toy.jpg|300px|thumb|right|And the world wants his kibble to turn into a chair.]]
* '''Bulkhead''' (Voyager, 2008)

:Bulkhead transforms from an armored, six-wheeled military-type van into a robot mode that is a bit on the short side for a Voyager, due to the stout, stocky nature of the character. The toy features two "[[automorph]]"-style gimmicks in its transformation: after flipping down the back doors, pulling down on them retracts a pair of black tabs holding his arms into pace, allowing them to spring forward into position; and moving his chest into place automatically causes a panel to flip over, exposing his head.

:The figure's left arm contains the character's signature gimmick, his wrecking ball. A concealed lever activates a pressure-launch system that fires the ball, which is attached to Bulkhead's arm by a sturdy string. Bulkhead's right arm, meanwhile, features a rather strange gimmick: after straightening the arm at the elbow, pressing the black lever on the upper arm causes Bulkhead's forearm to flip upwards. It ''might'' be an uppercut or some other sort of punch attack, but whatever this feature is supposed to be, it is not mentioned in either the toy's instructions, or on its packaging.

:No, his kibble can't transform into a chair. ''Aww''.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Bulkhead/bulkhead.htm More information on Voyager Bulkhead at TFU.info]

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[[Image:TFAnimated Activators Bulkhead.jpg|300px|thumb|right|"Whoa, I thought I was super-deformed ''before''..."]]
* '''Bulkhead''' (Activator, 2008)

: [[Activators]] Bulkhead can autotransform from a compressed version of a SWAT military van into his robot form when the middle siren bar is pressed. The vehicle mode lacks the back section's doors and bumper to better accommodate the gimmick, which leaves his robot mode's hands sticking out.

: His kibble is unable to become a chair as well. '''''Awww'''''. Unless you take the back-piece and switch it round and have him sit on it in a kind of... warped way.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ActBulkhead/bulkhead.htm More information on Activators Bulkhead at TFU.info]

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[[Image:TFAnimated Leader Bulkhead toy.jpg|300px|thumb|right|Tired of being known as "the big guy with a gentle heart", Bulkhead became more trigger happy than [[Triggerhappy]].]]
* '''Bulkhead''' (Leader, 2008)
**''Accessories'': 4 "air torpedoes"

: This version of Bulkhead is decidedly more heavily armed than others, with the most distinctive additions to his arsenal coming in the form of a double-barreled turret for his vehicle mode, two missile racks (one per arm, each holding two removable "air torpedoes"), and a buzzsaw in his right hand, which spins when a black tab on his forearm is pressed. He ''doesn't'' have a wrecking ball, but his other hand does feature a "grabby" action, allowing you to clench and open his fingers by sliding a tab in his arm.

:Bulkhead is outfitted with a significant array of electronic light and sound gimmicks. Pressing the Autobot insignia on his chest in robot mode causes his head to turn, his mouth to open , as he speaks one of three sound clips—"Sorry, my bad," "You can do it, buddy!", and "Time for the big guns!"—accompanied by flashing yellow lights in his chest, shoulders and eyes. During transformation, when the vehicle mode turret is snapped into or out of place, the classic transformation sound effect plays as his lights flash. In vehicle mode, pressing the Autobot insignia activates a siren noise, which lasts as long as the button is held down and is accompanied by flashing red LEDs that illuminate his vehicle's light bar. Bulkhead also comes packaged with the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] unit, which can fit over the figure's head, altering his sound and changing his yellow lights to red. Once in place, the Headmaster will scream "Ownage! Total ownage!", and all of Bulkhead's lights flash, illuminating the villain's translucent horns. This is the Headmaster's only phrase; pressing Bulkhead's insignia repeats the effects. The Headmaster accessory fits over all other Leader class figures.

: The packaging photography and lineart indicate that Bulkhead's electronic lights shine a more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] blue (well, accurate for his eyes, anyway). The final produced toy has yellow lights instead, because blue LEDs are apparently really expensive.

: ''This'' version of Bulkhead ''can'' [http://kyq.kuiki.net/randompics/tfa/chairhead.jpg transform his kibble into a chair]! Hooray!

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/LeaderBulkhead/bulkhead.htm More information on Leader Bulkhead at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BumperBattlers Bulkhead toy.JPG|250px|thumb|right|Bulkhead now knows how [[Han Solo]] feels.]]

* '''Bulkhead''' (Bumper Battler, 2008)

: Bulkhead is part of the second wave of [[Bumper Battlers]]. Pressing on the vehicle mode's front bumper activates electronic noises and pops up the roof, revealing a relief of Bulkhead's robot form. Pressing on the Autobot [[faction symbol]] on the hood activates a randomly-assembled collection of sound effects and voice samples.

: His face is disturbingly goofy.

* '''Workzone Bulkhead''' (Bumper Battler)

: A [[redeco]] of Bumper Battlers Bulkhead.

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==Notes==
* Out of the five main Autobot characters, Bulkhead is the only one who doesn't have a Generation 1 counterpart. However, his color and star symbols make him visually somewhat reminiscent of [[Hound (G1)|Hound]].
[[Image:RedBulkhead.jpg|thumb|right|Bulkred. Redhead? [[Big Red]]! Wyatt totally got paid for this.]]
* Bulkhead's design and demeanor likely owe themselves to Crunch from ''[[wikipedia:Mighty Orbots|Mighty Orbots]]'', a series [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] has admitted as being an inspiration.
* [[wikipedia:Patrick Star|Another]] big lug with a [[Bill Fagerbakke|similar]] voice, Bulkhead is best friends with a [[wikipedia:SpongeBob SquarePants (character)|little]] [[Bumblebee (Animated)|yellow guy]]. Obviously this analogy [[Tom Kenny|only goes]] [[Starscream (Animated)|so far]].
* Upon seeing a red [[Prototype|test shot]] of Bulkhead's ''Voyager''-class toy, Derrick J. Wyatt recolored a Bulkhead character model in the test shot's colors—on company time!<ref>http://derrickjwyatt.blogspot.com/2007/09/bulkhead-toy.html</ref>
* According to Wyatt, the additional weaponry the Leader-class toy possesses is supposed to represent the alterations the Headmaster would have made if he had possessed the body longer.
* While Bulkhead's Earth form features no continuous tracks, he still has them on his feet, like in his Cybertron form. This is probably an animation error that stayed in the show. The toy's legs are more developed, as the front wheels form the backs of the feet. The leader class toy, though, is show-accurate in the sense that flipping out his feet will reveal the tracks.
* After his reformatting into his APC mode, Bulkhead's robot mode [[kibble]] changes from the ''front'' of his vehicle mode (where it forms the scoop of the bulldozer) to the ''back'', where it forms the doors of the truck.
[[Image:Bulkheadchair.jpg|250px|thumb|right|The next step in Transformers evolution is here!]]
* Bulkhead can form his [[kibble]] into a chair. This is awesome.
* Bulkhead has a storage place in his chest which opens in at least two ways, like a drawer and/or like a door.
* Bulkhead's eyes can extend from his face and act as a microscope, as shown in "[[Rise of the Constructicons]]". This is slightly strange, but also awesome.
* For a clumsy "repair bot" with little or no fighting experience, Bulkhead is surprisingly effective on the battlefield. He was almost singlehandedly responsible for defeating the Dinobots in "[[Blast from the Past]]", he proved highly effective against them once again in a rematch in "[[Survival of the Fittest]]", and he defeated the more powerful Lugnut in a one-on-one confrontation in "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]". He was also the only character to suspect Soundwave of being evil until it was too late, at which point Bulkhead once again saved the day by defeating him in "[[Sound and Fury]]". He also managed to defeat [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] in "[[Endgame, Part II]]"—quite a feat, given that Shockwave had handily dispatched ''[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]'' in the past.
* In spite of the visual differences, it would appear that rather than simply swapping out his hands for his signature wrecking balls, Bulkhead's hands actually transform to ''become'' the wrecking balls. Although most episodes show his hand simply retract and then be replaced by the ball, a few instances show it actually stay in place, blur and change into the ball. Furthermore, in cases where Bulkhead has had the tether-line of his wrecking ball severed, he remains conspicuously handless until the ball is re-attached, such as in "[[Transform and Roll Out]]" and "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]".
* Bulkhead's vehicle mode design was used as the basis for [[Blurr (G1)|Generation 1 Blurr]]'s personal transport in [[Spotlight: Blurr]].
* Bulkhead comes from an [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] farm? [[Bulkhead (Energon)|Hmmm...]]
* Bulkhead's the only member of the space repair crew who WANTED to work on space bridges, unlike his companions who were bound to it by fate.
* Of all the vehicles that Teletran 1 scanned, the SWAT vehicle Bulkhead was reformatted into was the only one that didn't match his color scheme.

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:''Bumblebee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Bumblebeeanimated.jpg|thumb|300px|Little. Yellow. Different.]]
'''Bumblebee''' is the youngest, yellowest, and most energetic of the Autobots...[[Bumblebee (G1)|as]] [[Bumblebee (Movie)|usual]]. A hyperactive wisecracker, Bumblebee is quite convinced he's the fastest—and coolest—thing on four wheels. He has a tendency to bite off more than he can chew, so it's a good thing he pals around with the massive [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]. He does ''not'' take well to being called short, and his over-eager ways can get on [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] nerves all too easily. Still, Bumblebee is good people, as evidenced by his fast friendship with [[Sari Sumdac]].

{{bigquote|I may be small, but I'm scrappy! And I can ride circles around your big, old, rusty chassis!|Bumblebee to Bulkhead|"[[Total Meltdown]]"}}

:''Arabic dub name'': '''Bumbly''' (بامبلي ''Bāmblī'')
:''Arabic commercial name'': '''Bumble Bee''' (بامبل بي ''Bāmbil Bī'')

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Bumper Robinson]] (English), [[Santiago Ziesmer]] (German), [[Krzysztof Korzeniowski]] (Polish)

[[Image:Autobot_Cadets.jpg|thumb|left|250px|There's a [[Wasp|green me]] and a [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|red me]]!]]
Early in his career, Bumblebee dreamed of becoming a member of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]. He joined the [[Autobot boot camp]], but things didn't exactly go as planned—his [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|drill sergeant]] was a jerk, [[Wasp|most]] of his [[Ironhide (Animated)|classmates]] bullied him and the only bot willing to befriend him was a complete [[Bulkhead (Animated)|mudflap]]. His luck seemed to change, however, when he accidentally overheard someone communicating with a Decepticon. He then saw fellow classmate [[Wasp]] walk out, which aroused his suspicions. After taking the advice of [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]], Bumblebee attempted to weed out the spy, but Sentinel Minor got in the way twice. Needless to say, this resulted in many transform-ups for his squadron. After Wasp and Ironhide tore off his legs and put him in a closet, he was saved by Longarm, who encouraged him not to give up. Later that day, the group was put through their first training exercise—combat in a simulated battlezone. When somebody switched the turret settings to fire actual lasers, it was Bulkhead who saved him. However, they accidentally knocked over a building in the process, flattening Sentinel.

When Sentinel was conducting a surprise locker inspection, Sentinel discovered a Decepticon communicator in Wasp's trunk, ousting him as a traitor. Sentinel was prepared to put Bumblebee on an Elite Guard fast track program. Sadly, his new friendship with Bulkhead forced him to throw it all away in order to prevent his new buddy being kicked out, and they both wound up working on [[space bridge]]s. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedpreearth.jpg|thumb|250px|Wait... who are [[Hot Shot (Animated)|you]]?]]

The two friends were assigned to [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]'s space bridge repair [[Teletran-1|vessel]]. During one mission, Bumblebee and Bulkhead stumbled across [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], a ninja-bot meditating near an isolated space bridge. Due to an [[energon cube]] accident on [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]'s part, Prowl's spaceship was destroyed, and he was forced to join their crew. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} After this, Bumblebee's work continued as usual until the crew discovered the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] itself on another asteroid, which unfortunately attracted the attention of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. Even though he expressed significant fear of the [[Decepticon]] leader, he still managed to crack wise at his appearance once they were face-to-face. The humor vanished when Megs pulled out his sword. After Megatron was thrown off the ship, Bumblebee entered stasis with the rest of the crew just before the crew's ship crash-landed on [[Earth]].

Fifty years later, Teletran-1 awoke the crew to alert them to the intrusion of a nanite-powered bug-slug. Sending out a probe to find local disguises, the probe scanned [[Captain Fanzone]]'s [[Captain Fanzone's car|car]] amongst other things. Bumblebee was given the car for his new bodyform. Lucky him.

[[Image:TFA_TFandRollout_Sari_followedmehome.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"Can we keep it?"]]
Upon noticing [[Sari Sumdac|"a little creature"]] struggling with her [[Sparkplug (robot dog)|"owner"]], 'Bee and Mr. Bulk showed their unfamiliarity with organic life by assuming the owner/pet relationship was reversed. Their speculation was interrupted by the attacks of the giant, nanite-fueled bug monster, and Bumblebee intervened to get Sari out of the way. Later in the battle, Bumblebee was called on to deliver the override command to the beast's nanites, as he was the fastest and most nimble of the crew.

His defeat of the monster seriously impressed Sari, who decided to befriend him. Sari's definition of befriending included cajoling him into sneaking her aboard the Autobots' ship. Of course, Sari wouldn't stay still as Bumblebee asked, compelling him to jettison her into a ventilation shaft. After introducing her to the group, Sari and 'Bee became fast friends. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] attacked [[Detroit]], Bumblebee took a shot intended for Sari, allowing Screamer to capture Bumblebee, [[Isaac Sumdac]], [[Captain Fanzone]], and the Mayor. Sari, with [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]'s help, managed to rescue them. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

The Autobots quickly became famous for their heroic deeds in Detroit, much to Bumblebee's delight. Prowl, on the other hand, was less enthusiastic about all the attention, however, and he and Bumblebee quickly had a clash of opinions on the values of peace and quiet versus the values of fun. When the Autobots' factory base was turned against them, however, Bumblebee was forced to listen to Prowl's "stillness and strike" attitude to get past the motion sensors preventing him from shutting the factory down. In the aftermath, he had a newfound respect for Prowl as the two played a relaxed game of Twister™. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

At one point, Bumblebee took part in a match against [[Colossus Rhodes|Cyrus "Colossus" Rhodes]], hosted by [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black]] to show off the effectiveness of biotechnology. Unfortunately, Cyrus [[wikipedia:Hulk_(comics)|hulked up]], then proceeded to beat the [[Slag (slang)|slag]] out of Bumblebee. The other Autobots were forced to rescue him, using it as a chance to riff on his small stature. However, only Bumblebee was able to get into [[Sumdac Tower]] when [[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] went to kill Isaac Sumdac. Bumblebee managed to get him to the ground floor, but Meltdown arrived. Bulkhead tried to stop him, but Meltdown threw a glob of acid at Bulkhead, which Bumblebee took instead (basically, 'Bee is a <s>human</s> robot shield). Bulkhead offered his apologies over his comments, saying he was only having a little fun—which sent Bumblebee into declaring his good moves and speed. He's going to be pretty impossible to live with for a while. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}

The troubles in Detroit were far from over, as the Autobots soon found themselves facing three rampaging [[Dinobot (Animated)|robotic dinosaurs]]. During the battle, Bumblebee combined his stingers' electrical with Ratchet's magnets to create an [[electromagnetic pulse]] that would hopefully shut the prehistoric menaces down. Sari decided to pitch in by boosting Bumblebee's stingers with her [[AllSpark Key]], which proved enough to defeat the "Dinobots"... but also provided them with [[Spark|sparks]]. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}} He later bought a neat car horn and tried to chase down a mysterious muscle car with little success. The car turned out to be the bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], who kidnapped Optimus Prime and made short work of Bumblebee as well, threatening to take his stingers. In the end, Lockdown was defeated by Ratchet and Prime was saved. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

[[Image:TFA_Nanosec_Bumblebee_turbo_boosters.JPG|thumb|250px|BB got back!]]
After Bumblebee showed a lack of ability (or inclination) to be subtle on Earth, Prime had Prowl try to teach Bumblebee how to blend in. This ruined some plans with Sari, as she wanted to attach some turbo-boosters to him to make him go even faster. During the exercise, they encountered [[Nanosec]], a crook that had gained Professor Sumdac's new speed suit via [[Megatron (Animated)|unknown patrons]]. Unable to keep up with Nanosec, Bumblebee was convinced by Sari attach the turbo-boosters against Prime's orders. Unfortunately, he couldn't control them in vehicle mode, allowing Nanosec to escape from the Autobots twice. Worse, he was carrying enough [[Destronium]] to destroy all of Detroit. Overhearing Bulkhead and Prowl's comments on his change of appearance, Bumblebee realized that the suit was causing him to age the more he used it, so he purposefully ran him into old age (cold, Bee). With the Destronium about to go critical, Bumblebee, with help from Prowl and Bulkhead, managed to use his turbo-boosters to head into the outer atmosphere and get the Destronium away from the city before detonating. The whole experience seems have given Bumblebee a bit more respect for subtlety. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}}

October soon came around, and Sari decided to teach the Autobots about [[Halloween]]. Bumblebee dressed up as "Count Dracubot", but his trick-and-treating session went sour when he and Bulkhead were attacked by the spider-bot [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and knocked unconscious. They recovered in time to save Sari from falling off a skyscraper, although Bumblebee blew out his tires in the process. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}} After participating in Sari's eighth birthday party, Bumblebee decided that he also wanted one of those cool [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] toys. He was less enthusiastic after Soundwave took control of all [[automaton]]s in Detroit and faked Bumblebee's voice in order to confuse the Autobots. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}} While Soundwave was eventually defeated, the Decepticon attacks were far from over—[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] soon arrived on Earth in their search for Megatron. Bumblebee and the others were knocked unconscious by Lugnut's [[Punch of Kill Everything|mighty punch]] in their first battle, but the odds were in the Autobots' favour when they later fought in the muddy waters of [[Lake Erie]]. Bumblebee got to electrocute Blitzwing a bit before both Decepticons were blasted to pieces by Teletran-1's main cannon. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

When Sari was later kidnapped by a [[Swoop (Animated)|pterosaur]], Bumblebee participated in the police investigation. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}} Bulkhead later got into the fine arts, so Bumblebee helped out by modeling for him until his friend got his body hijacked by the human villain known as the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]]. As the other Autobots investigated, Bumblebee kept Bulkhead's head company and helped him create art pieces for his upcoming gallery (all while relentlessly cracking jokes about the situation, naturally). The Headmaster soon threatened to destroy Detroit using Bulkhead's body, so the Autobots approached him by pretending to be rescue vehicles, with Bumblebee being driven by Captain Fanzone. During the battle against the Headmaster, he got to play both bowling and football with Bulkhead's head before it was returned to its body. {{storylink|Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster}}

Some time during that winter, Bumblebee and Sari were playing video games and listening to music while ignoring Prowl's lectures on how spending so much time on "electronic devices" was unnecessary. All three of them were then sent out to investigate a Cybertronic energy signal in the woods; a prospect which filled Bumblebee with dread as nature was just so ''incredibly'' boring compared to his TV, games and music back home. He came along on what Sari described as a "camping trip" anyway, although he brought plenty of electronic devices with him. Prowl was not impressed, and even less so when Bumblebee decided to use his holographic projector as a TV screen. The lack of electricity proved to be the least of Bumblebee's problems, however, as the group was attacked by a [[Space barnacles|space barnacle monster]] shortly after nightfall. After a drawn-out fight with the creature, Bumblebee eventually knocked it off a cliff with his stingers, only to find that Prowl had been infected by the barnacles himself. While Sari had the bright idea of trapping the crazed Prowl in a mine, Bumblebee ended up trapping both of ''them'' in it as well, and got himself infected. Ultimately, Sari saved the day by using hot water to remove the barnacles, and in the aftermath Bumblebee voiced his opinion that nature should just be paved over as soon as possible. {{storylink|Nature Calls}}

[[Image:Megatron_rising_1_Starscream_freakout.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"YOU INTERRUPTED MY SPEECH!"]]
When Decepticon activity was detected in high levels, Bulkhead spilled the beans on what he and Prowl had done with the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]], and Optimus Prime pretty much lost it. Ranting that all he had was a group of insubordinate malfunctions, he told Ratchet to take Sari's [[AllSpark Key]] from her, saying it wasn't safe in her hands. As she ran off crying, Bumblebee defended her, and Prime pointed out that Bumblebee wasn't a good character witness. Bumblebee mouthed off that their situation meant that Prime wasn't fit to command, and then went looking for Sari. Heading to [[Sumdac Tower]], Bumblebee spotted Starscream, and disobeyed Prime's order to hold off. Heading up the elevator (which could not only fit him, but also carry his weight), Bumblebee charged, firing his stingers at Starscream. All it really did was interrupt his speech, which made Starscream ''seriously'' freak out. However, a crane pulled Starscream, who was holding Bumblebee, up to the roof, where the two fought it out...right until Megatron burst through the roof of the tower. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

After Megatron's restoration, Starscream absentmindedly beat on Bumblebee for a while, then threw him aside when Megatron called the Decepticons to him. Once he'd been repaired with remaining AllSpark Key energy in Professor Sumdac's lab, Bumblebee called Prime on his previous statements, and Optimus apologized, saying he'd been out of line. When Ratchet brought the Autobots' ship to them, the Autobots and Sumdacs boarded the vessel in an attempt to lead Megatron and the Decepticons off-planet, but were shot down and crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. As the Autobots rallied to defend the AllSpark, Bumblebee, Ratchet, and Prowl took on [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]. Ratchet and Bumblebee teamed up again to create an [[electromagnetic pulse]], causing him to crash. After shelling them in tank mode, Blitzwing again took to the air for some strafing runs. Prowl noticed a connection between Blitzwing's alternate modes and personalities, so they had Bumblebee use his greatest strength, his obnoxious personality, to cause Angry Blitzwing to emerge. Taunting the triple changer, Bumblebee got him to transform accidentally into tank mode and crash into the lake. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image:Super_secretary.jpg|thumb|250px|"[[Aaron Archer]]'s office. Please hold."]] Following the defeat of Megatron and the disappearance of Professor Sumdac, Bumblebee helped Sari run [[Sumdac Systems]] until the arrival of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. Among their numbers was [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], Bumblebee and Bulkhead's old sergeant from boot camp, but thankfully he didn't seem to remember them. 'Bee and the rest of the crew were subsequently contained within the [[Steelhaven (Animated)|Elite Guard flagship]] while the Sentinel and [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] went with Optimus Prime to investigate the supposed defeat of Megatron and dispersion of the AllSpark, but soon had to leave to deal with an out-of-control [[police drone]] factory. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} Shortly afterwards, Bumblebee greeted Sari when she was thrown out of Sumdac Tower by [[Porter C. Powell]] and forced to live with the Autobots. He and Bulkhead tried to cheer her up by saying that living together would be like a non-stop party, making her food and teaching her about "stuff and how it works", but were met with limited success. {{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}}

Bumblebee and Sari later helped stop a runaway train powered by an AllSpark fragment. When Starscream stopped by again, 'Bee and Ratchet again combined their powers to attack him with an electromagnetic pulse, but the AllSpark-powered Decepticon shrugged it off like it was nothing. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}} After noticing truly how bad Ratchet's people skills were, Optimus Prime assigned Bumblebee and Sari to help him improve on them, something neither party was very enthusiastic about. During their training, the three encountered the newly created Transformer [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], who proceeded to throw beef and motorcycles at Bumblebee. The Autobots chased Wreck-Gar across the city to retrieve the experimental nanobots he had in his backpack, but Bumblebee was not present during Ratchet's final confrontation with the confused 'bot. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}

[[Image:TFA_Velocity_Bumblebee_Blurr_meet.JPG|thumb|left|250px|"If you're [[Auggie Cahnay]], your ass is grass!"]]
Bumblebee became involved in the illegal street races organised by the criminal [[Master Disaster]]. Believing himself to be the fastest things on wheels, Bumblebee was unsurprisingly shocked after getting thrashed in a race by a [[Blurr (Animated)| Mysterious Blue Race Car]]. Following this, AllSpark traces, and the appearance of Blitzwing at the race track, Bumblebee became determined to get to the bottom of the mystery (although deep down he just wanted another chance to beat the Unknown Racer.) He made a deal with Master Disaster to appear in his races. Enlisting the help of Sari, Bumblebee returned to the track, and, to cut a long story short, ending up being pursued by the maniacal Blitzwing. After nearly being frozen one minute and melted to slag the next, Bumblebee was eventually rescued by the Mysterious Racer driving into Blitzwing. The excitement wasn't over for Bumblebee yet, as when returning to Master Disaster's trailer for answers, he and his pal Bulkhead (who had angrily followed Bumblebee there for defying him) had to face off against Blitzwing (he was desperate for that AllSpark fragment...), and had to be rescued once again... although this time it was Sari using Master Disaster's controlling device. {{storylink|Velocity}}

Later, he went on a trip to the Five Banners Roller Coaster Kingdom theme park with Sari. Optimus, fool that he is, believed him when he called it "an important fact-finding mission". {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

[[Image:Watching_SUVs.jpg|thumb|250px|If they start to do it, let me see, ok?]]
On another occasion, Bumblebee was attempting to clear up the streets of Detroit by catching some of their [[Nanosec|small]] [[Angry Archer|time]] [[Professor Princess|criminals]]. However, in each case, whenever Bumblebee came close to the capture, he froze up completely, and allowed the baddies to escape. It later became apparent that this was due to the AllSpark-infused timepiece belonging to [[Slo-Mo]]. After revealing himself and snatching the timepiece, [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] froze all of the Autobots and looked set for victory. However, after being lifted to Sumdac Tower by Sari and the members of the [[Society of Ultimate Villainy|SUV]] and repaired, Bumblebee took on Swindle (even managing to floor him at one point with his stingers.) After getting the timepiece back from Swindle, Bumblebee was double-crossed by the SUV, but fortunately for the Autobot, the rest of his pals were back online by now, and managed to get the criminals arrested. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy}}

After learning of Wasp's escape, Bumblebee felt a stirring of his old dreams, and dragged Bulkhead off to trace a signal leaked to them, containing a conversation between Megatron and his spy. As they tracked it down, Bumblebee fell into old habits, and started putting Bulkhead down, just like in the old days. It took a nasty fall to remind him that Bulkhead was the best friend he'd ever have, and he didn't need to spend his time chasing big dreams. Together, the two headed home, never realizing they were just outside of the carbon mines where the Decepticons were hiding.

Later, Bumblebee relayed the information they'd gathered to his old friend, Longarm, now Longarm ''Prime'', head of Cybertron Intel. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

[[Image:TFA_Black_Friday_Meltdown_Bee.jpg|thumb|left|250px|IDK, my BFF Jill?]]
Due to his inability to stay quiet, Prowl placed a bet on Bumblebee—that he couldn't go 10 [[Cycle|cycles]] without talking. Should he keep to this, a sweet can of axle grease would be his! However, the poor bot just couldn't do it. Prime took 'Bee and Prowl with him to Dinobot Island to investigate Meltdown's prison break, and the plucky yellow bot vowed he would win the axle grease. However, the bet was put on hold after both he and Prowl were off-lined by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia's]] cyber-venom. After the day was saved, Prime used the antidote on the bots, and 'Bee pointed out he'd been quiet for ages! Prowl dryly noted it took 'Bee being comatose to achieve this, but the yellow bot didn't care—he just wanted his grease! {{storylink|Black Friday (episode)| Black Friday}}

After insulting Bulkhead's latest painting of Sari, Bumblebee realized that he was wrong and actually apologized for his comments. It didn't go over very well, and that was before Megatron showed up with Professor Sumdac. Though Bumblebee suspected that Sumdac was a willing accomplice, Sari refused to hear it. At that moment, the mysterious blue racer appeared. Thinking he was a Decepticon, Bumblebee rolled after the racer, running him off the road. It was only at this point that the racer revealed that he was [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]], a member of the Elite Guard sent to keep tabs on Decepticons and Prime's crew. Worse, Bumblebee's actions allowed Bulkhead to be kidnapped by Megatron. Once Optimus Prime was informed that the Decepticons were building a [[space bridge]] to attack Cybertron, 'Bee went with the Autobots to rescue Bulkhead and destroy the bridge. During a brief skirmish with Lugnut and Blitzwing, Bumblebee admitted that he'd lost his title as "fastest thing on wheels" to Blurr. Unfortunately, when they confronted Megatron himself, the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicons]] managed to incapacitate the pair...just in time for Starscream and his [[Starscream clone|clones]] to attack. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

Managing to escape the Decepticons, the Autobots went for the clones, apparently deciding that they were the greater evil. The battle went poorly for them, as Blurr was lost in the space bridge and Bumblebee was cemented to a wall. When Isaac Sumdac decapitated Starscream and took his body with the [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster unit]], Bumblebee was convinced that he was working for the Decepticons, though Sumdac revealed that it was to destroy Megatron. That didn't work out too well. After Megatron explained his plan to the captive Autobots, the Decepticon [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] revealed that he was Longarm Prime and that Bumblebee had sent an innocent Wasp to the stockade. Fortunately, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] arrived, reactivated thanks to Sari and Ratchet, and sacrificed himself to save the Autobots and Sumdacs. With the threat passed, Sumdac revealed that he had been forced to help the Decepticons, and Bumblebee's mistrust of the professor presumably faded away—only to return when Sari saw that the skin of her right arm had torn...revealing robotic circuitry underneath! {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

Despite the revelation that one of his best friends was a robot, Bumblebee actually remained focused on the larger picture: namely, Shockwave's presence on Cybertron. Optimus reasoned that since Bulkhead was a genius with regards to space bridges (something Bumblebee said he'd never get used to, revealing his high opinion of his other best friend), so the two headed out to the mine. Bumblebee managed to find a recall beacon generator, which was needed to locate the position in space, and the plasmadynamic thruster, which generated the transwarp field. Unfortunately, the thruster activated before Bumblebee could give it to Bulkhead, sending him across the galaxy. After catching another transwarp wave, he was again transported to another part of the galaxy—where he was swallowed by a [[rock creature|rock alien]].

Fortunately, Bulkhead was able to capture Bumblebee's signal, and reel him in. Sadly, it also brought the alien to Detroit. As the Autobots struggled to figure out how to defeat the monster and save Bumblebee, Sari used the AllSpark Key on herself to upgrade with new weapons and a teenage appearance. Sari quickly trounced the monster, freeing Bumblebee. Unfortunately, Sari didn't remove the Key after the upgrade, causing her to overload and lose control of her abilities. Bumblebee made a mad dash to try to remove the Key, but Sari's defenses systems registered him as a threat, and Sari horrifically watched as she stabbed Bumblebee through the chest and blasted him across the street. Ratchet immediately went to work, saying that he could repair Bumblebee without the Key. However, the damage was severe, and Bumblebee's spark was fading fast. Even when they got the Key, Ratchet was still hard pressed, as the Key had been burned out upgrading Sari. Fortunately, Ratchet managed to stabilize Bumblebee with his magnets, but Ratchet was forced to deactivate Sari with his EMP generator.

After Ratchet made what repairs he could, the Autobots allowed Professor Sumdac some time alone with Sari. Lamenting on how troubled their day had been, Bumblebee tempted fate by asking how much worse it could get. On cue, the plasmadynamic thruster began to power up, but Bulkhead manged to shut it down. Unfortunately, Omega Supreme soon arrived, under the control of Megatron. Bumblebee was given an illegal stinger upgrade to help against Omega Supreme, but it still did little good. Optimus and Prowl managed to sneak inside and remove Megatron's control while Bumblebee and Bulkhead served as <s>bait</s> a distraction. However, Starscream managed to gain control, and soon moved to conquer Cybertron. Bumblebee came up with the idea to throw the plasmadynamic thruster inside Omega to send the three randomly warping across the galaxy, managing to reach the altitude with his turbo boosters (why Optimus let him keep those is unknown). Later, Sari was awakened, and all was well with the Autobots...except for being out of contact with Cybertron, but still, it's the thought that counts. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

While Bulkhead and Professor Sumdac began constructing a space bridge, Bumblebee and the other Autobots focused on hunting down the remaining Decepticons on Earth. The first one they found was Lugnut, who was defeated and [[stasis cuffs|stasis cuffed]] after a drawn-out battle. Unfortunately, this left the Autobot force trying to pull the massive Decepticon out of the deep crater he had caused during the fight—a daunting task that they spent the rest of the night working on. Before any real progress could be made, Bumblebee and the others were called away to help Bulkhead, who had been dragged into an oil-stealing scheme by the Constructicons. Upon arriving at the [[Fossil Fuel]] oil refinery, Bumblebee fought against Scrapper, but was warned to watch his stingers so he wouldn't set fire to a nearby oil spill. Unfortunately, a collision between Scrapper and Mixmaster led to a spark setting fire to it anyway, so the Autobots were forced to transwarp an entire oil tank (with the Constructicons on it) out to Lake Erie, where it exploded. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

Some time later, Bumblebee's old friend Wasp arrived on Earth, with a few screws loose and a vendetta against the 'bot who put him away. That night, Bumblebee was on monitor duty as the other Autobots were searching for Wasp, but spent his time playing ''[[Ninja Gladiator]]'' instead (after all, a TV is a monitor too!), which led to Wasp easily getting the drop on him. Bumblebee tried explaining how Longarm had set the whole thing up back in the day, but the deranged Wasp wouldn't listen, instead knocking Bumblebee out and saying it was ''his'' turn to lose everything he'd ever had. When Bumblebee woke up, he found himself equipped with Wasp's helmet, paintjob and voice synthesizer and all his friends staring down at him... including Wasp dressed up as himself. Unable to prove his own identity, Bumblebee was forced to escape from his own friends, only to be chased down by Elite Guard members [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]]. Luckily for the small 'bot, Jetstorm's wind blasts were too powerful for him, and he was blown away from danger. A desperate Bumblebee tried painting himself yellow with mustard from a hot dog stand, only to be confronted by Bulkhead and Prowl. Thinking of ideas to prove his innocence, Bumblebee reminded Bulkhead of their misadventures in boot camp—misadventures Wasp could never have known about. While his friends were finally convinced, the newly arrived Jetstorm and Jetfire were not, and a fight broke out until Optimus and Sentinel arrived and sorted it out. Returning to the Autobot base, they confronted Wasp, who had unfortunately spent the meantime researching Bumblebee's past and could easily list many of 'Bee's past adventures like he was there in person. With no way to prove who was the real deal, Bulkhead suggested that they simply play ''Ninja Gladiator'' for the title of Bumblebee... after all, the real one would ''never'' lose at ''Ninja Gladiator''. The plan worked, as Wasp cracked under the pressure before the match could even begin, grabbing Bumblebee and holding him at stinger-point. With the Autobots unable to attack, Wasp cancelled his and Bumblebee's [[electronic paint job]]s and made a getaway, leaving Bumblebee to be pummelled by a confused Bulkhead. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}

Chasing Wasp across Detroit, the Autobots eventually cornered him, and Bumblebee again tried explaining the "funny story" on how Longarm was the true Decepticon spy who caused Wasp's misfortune. However, Wasp didn't see the funny part of it, and Bumblebee nearly got himself blasted in the face for trying. Before the group could capture Wasp, he was suddenly abducted by [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]], so Optimus Prime and Bumblebee had to follow him to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Upon arrival, Prime suggested that Bumblebee stopped making excuses like blaming Longarm and tried ''apologizing'' to Wasp instead. Making their way into the tunnels of the island, the two soon found Wasp... mutated into a large, monstrous [[technorganic]] form by Blackarachnia. Face to face with the monster, Bumblebee followed Prime's advice and apologized for everything he did and didn't do to Wasp. His old nemesis responded that Wasp forgave him... but he was Wasp''inator'' now, and Waspinator would ''never'' forgive Bumblebee! However, before Waspinator could destroy Bumblebee once and for all, his new body started going out of control, and he went back to Blackarachnia. After being run down by both the spider and the wasp as the latter chased the former, Bumblebee helped carry the damaged Sentinel Prime out of the tunnels. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

Christmas eventually came around, and between shaking his presents and decorating the tree, Bumblebee didn't notice a [[Sound Wave]] toy poisoning the Autobots' [[oilnog]]. After having a taste, the 'bots all felt strangely tired and decided to take a stasis nap... only to wake up in human bodies. Bumblebee took it with a pinch of humour as he made fun of Bulkhead for being small, before the "Automen" headed out to see if Professor Sumdac could find out what was going on. However, during a brief break for food at [[Burger Bot]], the city came under attack from a large force of Decepticons. The Autobots chose to fight back despite their small fleshy bodies, but Bumblebee grabbing onto Starscream's leg had no real effect on the marauding Decepticon, and the heroes were quickly forced to run. Eventually arriving at Sumdac Tower, Bumblebee was shocked when Cybertron itself appeared in the sky and blasted part of the tower to smithereens, followed by the arrival of Megatron himself. However, by this stage, Optimus Prime and Prowl had figured out that none of this was actually happening—they were trapped in some kind of simulated reality. Realizing that they could break through the illusion with their imagination, the Autobots fought back and defeated the simulated Decepticons, with the tiny human Bumblebee easily punching out Blitzwing before transforming back into a robot. But before the Autobots could figure out how to escape from the virtual reality, they were subdued by a giant Soundwave—the one who had trapped them to begin with in order to brainwash them into becoming his mind slaves. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}

As Soundwave increased his control over the simulation, Bumblebee and the others were transformed back into humans. Deciding that they had to find Soundwave's interface to the world, they grabbed some vehicles matching their alternate modes, leading to Bumblebee pushing a virtual Captain Fanzone out of his own car. The Autobots took to chasing after a black Soundwave van, only to fall into a trap that let Soundwave brainwash them completely. As Sari and her "[[Substitute Autobot]]s" came to save the day, Soundwave used the Autobots' bodies to fight back, with Bumblebee and Prowl teaming up against Wreck-Gar. However, controlling five people at once proved too much for Soundwave, and as he lost focus, Bumblebee's mindless body found itself bound up in Christmas lights and defeated. Shortly afterward, Bumblebee's mind was returned to normal when Optimus Prime shattered Soundwave's body. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

When the Autobots discovered Decepticon signals on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]], Bumblebee found himself an volunteering (read: ordered) to transwarp there and plant a transmitter. However, the transmitter was inadvertedly broken by [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] shortly after arrival, so Bumblebee changed his strategy into infiltrating Omega Supreme. Inside, he found [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] babbling on and on about school. Deeming it impossible to take her back to Earth, 'Bee chose to activate Arcee's transmitter before leaving, using her to spy on the Decepticons. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} When Megatron used the information inside Arcee to attack Detroit with a trio of "[[Lugnut Supreme]]s", Bumblebee went back to the moon alongside Bulkhead, Ratchet and Sari to attempt a retrieval of Omega Supreme. They quickly located Arcee again, only to be attacked by Shockwave. While Bumblebee's stingers had no effect on his old platoonmate, he was eventually defeated by Bulkhead's brawns. Shockwave transformed back to his Longarm mode in an attempt to trick his "old pals", but failed and was captured. Bumblebee was aboard Omega Supreme when he battled against the oversized Lugnuts-turned-oversized Starscreams, and following their victory, was told that Prowl had died during the battle. When the Autobots returned to Cybertron, he helped carry his friend's coffin. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

===Toy bios===
At some point, Bumblebee began taking stealth lessons from Prowl, presenting him with a new battle tactic: sneaking up from behind instead of racing fender-first into danger. To further that end, Bumblebee apparently painted himself as a police patrol car. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Animated)#ActivPatrol|Patrol Bumblebee}}

After "getting up close to members of the AUTOBOT Elite Guard", Bumblebee decided more than ever that he wanted to join their ranks. He had Sari borrow some of her dad's auto-painting robots so that he could truly look the part of an Elite Guard team member. He also began doing combat training with Prowl, and may have gotten his energy stingers enhanced. {{storylink|Bumblebee (Animated)#EliteGuard|Elite Guard Bumblebee}}

{{note|Presumably Bumblebee's "getting up close to members of the AUTOBOT Elite Guard" refers to the events of the episodes [[The Elite Guard]], [[The Return of the Headmaster]] and [[Mission Accomplished]]. However, at the time of those episodes, Isaac Sumdac was missing and Sari no longer had access to Sumdac Systems technology, so, uh... just go with it. OR, possibly, by "borrow" they mean "steal the robots out from under Powell's greasy nose"}}

===Titan Magazines===
In battle with new villain [[Quake-Maker]], Bumblebee got to not only mock the villain but fight alongside the super-cool new Autobot [[Afterburn]]. {{storylink|Burnout}}

The two later went on a mission to Dinobot Island to stop a Rage virus infection, a mission that had Bumblebee nervous. During the mission, Bumblebee screwed up a landing that Afterburn aced, got thrown into a mud puddle by Swoop, was left with an incredibly dirty finish, and generally looked worse than Afterburn and on ''four separate occasions'' got put down by him. This made him sad. {{storylink|Ratchet & Grimlock Are DEAD?}}

When [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] was in a huff, it was Bumblebee who convinced him to help them against the [[Wraith-X]] by appealing to that greatest of emotions, the ego! He didn't have time to gloat though, as he then found Afterburn reporting back to ''Megatron'', who then stormed the base, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Divebomb}} killed Afterburn, and started a massive battle. Bumblebee was shocked to find Afterburn had only been a sparkless drone infiltrator, but still viewed him as a real Autobot, ''taking on Megatron himself'' out of anger for what had happened.

Optimus later consoled Bumblebee that he'd been a hero and that Afterburn hadn't been real anyway. But he'd been real to Bumblebee...{{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

[[Image:Bumblebeepizza_Titan25.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Why said cheese pizza has several toppings on it is a mystery.]]

But then he got over that and started breaking traffic laws for fun to get pizzas to Sari quickly! This led to Prowl dissing him and claiming Bumblebee wouldn't be so fast if he had to obey some rules, which led to a race between the two at [[Crazy Coyote Canyon]] (plus Bulkhead joined in, which gave Bumblebee a good laugh). Autobots doing ''anything'', of course, leads to Decepticon plots, and Bumblebee (who had a Decepticon tracer stuck on his butt) found they'd ambushed Prowl halfway through the race. Locating the tracer, he stuck it on ''Lugnut's'' butt and helped Prowl escape to win.

All that excitement had allowed Bulkhead to win the race unopposed though, making him the official fastest thing in Detroit. Bumblebee accepted it amiably enough. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|The Race}}
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==Toys==
===Animated===
====Activators====
*'''Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2008)
[[Image:Activators_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|He's a Bumblevator - or is it Actibee?]]
: Part of the first wave of [[Activators]], this small version of Bumblebee [[autotransformation|automatically transforms]] from vehicle to robot mode via spring-loaded releases when you press his top-mounted police light. Interestingly enough, this toy is probably the closest to "proper" scale in robot mode when compared to the Deluxe Prowl and Ratchet, the Voyager Optimus, and Leader Bulkhead. Like the Deluxe class toy, Bumblebee was intended to be molded with a benign sideways smirk on his face, but at this small of scale the effect does not come off as intended, leaving Bumblebee looking rather more like he's grimacing. Furthermore, his insignia is ''also'' grimacing; for some reason this toy was given the [[Insignia#2007_movie|movie Autobot "angry eyes" insignia]], rather than the standard "neutral expression" insignia found on most other ''Animated'' Autobots. Add him to the list of Transformers who just need a hug.

:This mold was later [[Retool|retooled]] to make [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ActBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Activators_PatrolBumblebee_toy.JPG|thumb|200px|Bumblecade]]
*'''Patrol Bumblebee''' (Activator, 2008)

: A police-themed redeco of Activators Bumblebee, instead of his current "undercover" markings, he gets full-on black-and-white deco with "POLICE" lettering across his doors.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/PatrolBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Patrol Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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====Deluxe====
[[Image:Bumblebee_anim_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|Awwww, it's so adorable...]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right rocket boosters

: Bumblebee transforms from a small yellow hatchback with a single red flasher to a scrappy robot with a smirk on his face. He has a fake car roof on his chest (but to be fair, so does his cartoon counterpart.) in robot mode, and the two halves of his stinger weapon, stored in his forearms, can be flipped out and pegged together. In both robot and car mode, his two booster rockets can be attached on his back. Unlike the promotional image, the rockets of the actual toy do not have any red paint.

: Due to support struts added inside his forearms to ensure durability, his stingers do not recede all the way back into his arms. The latest releases of the toy fix this problem. There have also been some complaints that the socket in his left arm tends to crack easily, which makes the arm impossible to pose.

: Amusingly, flipping his bumper up in his alt-mode works like a tiny trunk.

: This mold was also used to make [[#EliteGuard|"Elite Guard" Bumblebee]] and will be used to make [[Wasp|Fugitive Waspinator]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Deluxe Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Ani-toy BumblebeeEG.jpg|thumb|300px|Back from his internship with Donald Trump. Sentinel Prime, YOU'RE FIRED!]]
*'''Elite Guard Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right rocket boosters

: A [[redeco]] of [[#Deluxe|Deluxe Bumblebee]], this figure represents Bumblebee after getting Sari to help paint him up in [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] deco as part of his anticipated ascension into their ranks. Dare to dream! He retains all the play-gimmicks of the original, though his arms have been slightly [[retool]]ed to allow the stingers to recede fully. The color scheme of the toy bears a little resemblance to [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys|Stealth Bumblebee]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] franchise.

: The [[Hasbro]] stock photography and [[package art]] for this toy [[:Image:Deluxeeliteguardbumblebee.jpg|depict "Elite Guard" Bumblebee with his normal yellow helmet]]. However, the actual toy has a black helmet due to the plastic color layouts.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/EGBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Elite Guard Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
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====Voyager====
[[Image:Ani-toy_HydrodiveBumblebee.jpg|thumb|250px|Oh slag. Where did my police light go?]]
*'''Hydrodrive Bumblebee''' (Voyager, 2009)
:A new sculpted and downscaled figure of Bumblebee in much the same style as [[Prowl (Animated)#Toys|Samurai Prowl]]. He comes with a jet/submarine that can be configured into some sort of battle armour/jet-pack. He can be placed in it in both robot and alt mode. Rather atypically for an ''Animated'' Autobot, he appears to come with a pair of guns (in lieu of his usual [[stinger]]s). These pistols can be hand-held or mounted on his armour.
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====Other====
*'''Bumper Battlers Bumblebee''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)
[[Image:BumperBattlers_Bumblebee_toy.jpg|thumb|200px|Does this make him [[Bumper (G1)|Animated Bumper]]?]]
: Part of the first wave of [[Bumper Battlers]], this very simple version of Bumblebee is meant for the much younger set. About the same size as the Deluxe Bumblebee in car mode, pressing the Autobot [[insignia|faction symbol]] on his hood activates the toy's sound feature, using a seemingly randomized assortment of sound effects and original voice samples from [[Bumper Robinson]]. Pressing the car mode's front bumper in activates the simple spring-loaded one-step transformation to robot mode... "properly" activated by using the toy's [[pull-back motor]] [[gimmick]] to propel it forward into an obstacle.

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*'''Bumblebee''' (McDonalds Happy Meal toy, 2008)
[[Image:Bumblebrick.png|thumb|180px|Bumblebrick.]]
: A simple version of Bumblebee with a very simple transformation sequence, one of six toys available as part of the McDonald's ''Transformers Animated'' promotion (held concurrently with the ''Littlest Pet Shop'' promo). You transform him by pulling out the arms from the sides, pulling down the legs and rotating them around and flipping up the head. The arms hold the legs in place, and need to be pulled out before his legs. His vehicle mode is accurate to the show, and his robot mode is reasonably accurate, although rather on the "bulky" side.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/McBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''

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*'''Sting Racer Bumblebee''' (Bumper Battlers, 2008)
[[Image:Ani-toy_BumperBattlers_StingBumblebee.JPG|thumb|200px|]]
: This Bumper Battlers Bumblebee has a blue stripe in place of the black one, and blue electrical marks on his sides.

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[[Image:Ani-toy_LegendsBumblebee.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Stealth Lockdown''' (Animated 3-pack, 2008)

: A ''Universe'' [[Legends Class|Legends-class]] Bumblebee came packaged with this Target-[[exclusive]] clear version of [[Lockdown (Animated)#Stealth|Lockdown]], as well as a Legends [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]. This Bumblebee is ''almost'' identical to the individual ''Universe'' release, except this version has a silver [[insignia|faction symbol]] rather than the ''Universe'' release's red.

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*'''Cyber Speed Bumblebee''' ([[Power Bots]], 2008)
[[Image:CyberSpeedBumblebee_toy.JPG|thumb|120px|]]
: A large, non-transforming figure of Bumblebee in bulky, child-friendly form. He comes with lights and sounds, including a stinger sound on the right arm, which has the stinger deployed, and a "punching" sound and extending fist on the left. He also speaks a slew of phrases, including "Bring it on, Decepticons!" and "Hi, I'm Bumblebee!", again using Bumper Robinson voice clips. He is, of course, utterly adorable.

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*'''Street Patrol Bumblebee''' (Power Bots, 2009)
[[Image:Ani-toy_StreetPatrolBumblebee.JPG|thumb|120px|Anyone seen my transformation cog?]]
: This Bumblebee has red stripes on his stinger arm and his stripe is dark blue.

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*'''Shockwave VS Bumblebee''' (multipack, 2009)
[[Image:Shockwavepurplebumblebeetoys.jpg|thumb|200px|Hey, they said I was supposed to meet Longarm here. Who are you?]]
: Activators Bumblebee packaged with a purple redeco of Voyager [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] in a Target-exclusive multipack.

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===Transformers (2007 movie line)===
*'''Legacy of Bumblebee''' (Deluxe class multi-pack, 2008)

: A Walmart [[exclusive]] three pack, the ''Legacy of Bumblebee'' collector's set comes with [[Bumblebee (G1)|''Classics'']], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Movie]] Deluxe Class Concept Camaro ([[Premium Series]]) and ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' Bumblebee figures. While the movie and ''Animated'' Bumblebees are identical to their original, single carded releases, the ''Classics'' Bumblebee has been redecoed to more closely resemble his movie and ''Animated'' counterparts, changing his white stripes to black, and his grey/silver plastic to yellow, similarly to ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bumble.

===Universe (2008)===
*'''Bumblebee''' (Legends, 2008)
[[Image:Legends_bb_sized.jpg|thumb|125px|Is that size-accurate enough?]]
: A smaller, simplified [[Legends Class|Legends]]-scale Bumblebee toy, released under the ''Universe'' toyline.

: A slightly different version of this toy can also be found as part of the ''Animated'' [[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]] three-pack with Legends [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], and as part of a ''Universe'' three-pack with Legends Optimus Prime and Legends [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/AniLegendsBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedkibble.jpg|thumb|150px|My real windshield is on my heels!]]
* Bumblebee's arm-mounted shock stingers are very likely inspired by an early weapon concept from the 2007 movie [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].

* The character who would become Bumblebee was originally conceived as [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], but changed to Bumblebee at the insistence of incoming supervising director [[Matt Youngberg]] and art director [[Derrick J. Wyatt]]<ref>[https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=21975298&postID=1516366009698858110&isPopup=true]</ref>. This explains why his character is more like Hot Shot and less like... well, Bumblebee. He also arguably shares personality traits with other, similarly brash "ADHD" characters such as [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. Cut from the same cloth, at any rate.

* Bumblebee appears to have a fake car roof on his chest in both his toy and on his [[character model]]. Not only does Bumblebee transform like his toy in his drawn-out animated transformation sequences, with his legs forming the top of the vehicle and the rest forming the underside, but his "real" windshield is drawn on the back of his legs, just like the toy. Plus the headlights on Bumblebee's feet are upside-down, just like the toy's. However, Bumblebee's vehicle mode stripe doesn't change sides like on the toy. Cheatsy!

* In addition to the above, in "[[The Thrill of the Hunt]]," Bumblebee reaches under his '''fake''' car roof kibble to get out his air freshener and fuzzy dice. This would mean that he had kept them in his back seat or trunk. Interestingly enough, on the Deluxe toy, you can actually store small items in his chest thanks to his opening 'trunk'.

* He likes to swear a lot. [[Slag (slang)|Slag yeah!]]

[[Image:TFA_Bumblebee_Elite_Guard_promoimage.JPG|thumb|150px|[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] was so horrified his scream blew out [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]]'s audio sensors...and Jazz was in another building at the time.]]
* He apparently got his name for being a bumbler in [[Autobot boot camp]]. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

* On the Transformers Animated Season One DVD set, the "Season Two Sneak Peek" special feature shows Bumblebee's character model colored in the Elite Guard Bumblebee toy's deco. Bumblebee did not actually ''use'' that color scheme in Season 2, so its inclusion in a Season Two gallery is puzzling at best...

* With the airing of the episodes "Human Error" Parts 1 and 2, an interesting and probably unintentional question has been brought up. Bumblebee's human form is obviously much younger than the others, even Prowl and Bulkhead, putting him somewhere around pre-teen to early teen years. Everything else about the humans reflect their bot conterparts spot on, down to a scar on Ratchet's face to represent his broken chevron. So, seeing as human Bee is obviously so young, does that make him a child soldier?

* Bumblebee's original [[body-type]] is apparently quite common on Cybertron—he shares it with [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]], [[Wasp]], [[Tap-Out (Animated)|Tap-Out]], [[Freeway (Animated)|Freeway]], [[Searchlight (Animated)|Searchlight]], [[Hubcap (Animated)|Hubcap]], [[Sedan (Animated)|Sedan]], [[Carerra (Animated)|Carerra]], [[Furao]], [[Bumper (Animated)|Bumper]] and [[Glyph (Animated)|Glyph]].

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Bumblebee/bumblebee.htm Bumblebee at TFU.info]
* [http://www.hasbro.com/common/images/news/transformers//Transformers_Draw_Bumblebee.pdf Hasbro.com - How to Draw: Animated Bumblebee]

[[Category:Animated characters]]
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

Grimlock (Animated)

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:''Grimlock is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFAnimated Grimlock.jpg|right|256px|thumb|Some people got collar and cuffs, me Grimlock got collar and brass knuckles.]]
'''Grimlock''' is a ''Tyrannosaurus rex'' in charge of a small, three-mech group of dinosaur transformers known as the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. Born from a fusion of Earth and Cybertronian technology, with some [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] intervention thrown in, he's a force to be reckoned with. A little short on brains (at first he didn't actually realise he was a Transformer) and a lot short on temper, Grimlock's answer to a problem is usually the simplest: squash it, slash it, bite it, burn it, or eat it.

Physically, Grimlock is one of the most powerful Transformers, with enough brute strength to give even the likes of Megatron pause for thought. In his beast mode, his powerful jaws and flame breath give him excellent short- and long-range combat abilities, while his flaming sword is an effective weapon in robot mode. Factor in his temper, and facing Grimlock can be a terrifying experience.

Currently, Grimlock and his fellow Dinobots are living on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|an island]] in Lake Erie, hidden there by [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] from the rest of the world. But don't think he's not willing to come to the mainland, find the biggest 'Con around and feed 'em their own chassis after he's eaten his fill of it. After all, him Grimlock badass.

{{bigquote|No one tell me Grimlock how to fight!|Grimlock, rebel without a cause|"[[Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[David Kaye]] (English), [[Dieter Memel]] (German)

[[Image:Grimlockanimatedinskin.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Cars shot me T-rex, out come me Grimlock! Him [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] sure blew it.]]
Grimlock, [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]], and [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] were originally theme park animatronic displays that [[Isaac Sumdac]] upgraded with the help of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and a flash of [[spark]] from the [[AllSpark Key]]. When they came online, Grimlock dubbed himself the Dinobot leader, despite Megatron's commands. However, [[Tutor Bot]] brought up videos on how cars use fossil fuels. Grimlock believed this to mean that cars ate [[dinosaur]]s, and Megatron convinced them to destroy the "fossil feeders", including the only thing worse than cars...cars and trucks that turn into robots.

[[Image:Grimlockanimatedbeastmode.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Me Grimlock beginning to [[Repeat Performance!|hate black sticky stuff!]]]]
As the Dinobots raged against the machines, the Autobots drew them away from the city towards a park. Finally getting out of his funk, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] managed to throw them into a parking lot that their fire breath had melted into tar, trapping the Dinobots. After their defeat, they were imprisoned in an energy cage and were scheduled for meltdown. Believing they had life and were not just some mindless machines, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] freed the Dinobots with the help of Bulkhead and secretly relocated them to an island.

Dwelling within the peaceful forest, Grimlock dubbed cars and trucks bad, but nature good—until two birds pooped on him. Redubbing
nature stupid, Grimlock expected the two birds to fight like Dinobots, but they escaped! Tail twitching and stomach opening, Grimlock [[Transformation|transformed]], shocking Snarl and Swoop. He drew a [[Energo-sword|huge, blazing sword]] and decided he liked the results. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

He was later forced by the villain [[Prometheus Black|Meltdown]] to attack Sari's would-be rescuers, Prowl and Bulkhead. Once Meltdown
was trapped and unable to hurt him, he demonstrated he'd learned to transform and joined his fellow Dinobots in threatening the
acid-thrower. However, before Meltdown could be hurt, Grimlock's attention was diverted to [[Colossus Rhodes]] and two of Meltdown's mutants, and he and the other Dinobots beat up on them instead. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}

Shortly after this, the Autobots learned that the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] were mobilizing, and Bulkhead spilled the beans on the Dinobots' location. Seriously pissed, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Prime]] had them take him to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where he tried to convince the Dinobots to help them fight the Decepticons. Grimlock was...uninterested, to say the least. He told Prime that Dinobots didn't need robots to fight, but that they would destroy robots. When Prime pointed out that the Dinobots ''were'' robots, this seemed to compel them to fight each other. When Grimlock gives an order, the Dinobots carry it out without question. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[Image:Animated cartoon Grimlock Sentinel Prime.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Me Grimlock say you jerk!]]
When Optimus brought [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel]] to see [[Autobot ship (Animated)|his damaged ship]], which had crashed into Dinobot Island as a result of [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|a recent Decepticon attack]], the Dinobots showed up. Optimus advised the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guardsbots]] that as long as the Dinobots weren't provoked, they wouldn't attack. Sentinel thought they were just primitive scrap heaps and acted like it. Grimlock responded by transforming, taking out his sword and knocking the jerk flying. Alas, neither he nor the other Dinobots could withstand the elemental lightning summoned by Ultra Magnus, Bot of Thunder. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

[[Image:T-Rex Ambush Predator.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Prowl learned T-rex defensive tactics from ''Jurassic Park''. Sadly, Grimlock never watched that movie.]]
Later, reports reached the Autobots of rampages on Dinobot Island, and Optimus sent Prowl and Bulkhead, the only two Autobots the Dinobots accepted, to investigate. Prowl's disbelief at the idea that the territorial but relatively peaceful Dinobots would be going on rampages was quickly dispelled when a furious Grimlock burst from the bushes and charged. He easily thrashed the two Autobots, and in his rage would have roasted a nest full of baby birds if Prowl hadn't used [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]'s loaned [[EMP]] generator to drop the massive beast. But a blast that would have knocked out an Autobot for a while merely dropped Grimlock for a moment, and a few seconds later, he began to wake up. Upon examination, it was revealed that Grimlock had a large piece of metal embedded in his foot, and the pain had driven him mad. Prowl used the EMP generator to loosen the shard while Bulkhead yanked it out, and an exhausted Grimlock collapsed and allowed the Autobots to fix him up. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

[[Image:TFA Black Friday ME GRIMLOCK IN LOVE.jpg|left|180px|thumb|I, Grimlock, am hot-headed when in love, wot.]]
When [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] washed ashore after the defeat of Megatron, the Dinobots took her in as one of their own. Ever the [[wikipedia:Alpha_(biology)|alpha male]], Grimlock was quick to remind Swoop and Snarl that "Spider-Lady like me Grimlock best" (he was taller than them), and was not above using violence to drive the point home. After Blackarachnia discovered Meltdown's genetic research, she had the Dinobots take Meltdown from prison. When the Autobots arrived to investigate, Prowl and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] were poisoned with venom, and Grimlock accompanied Optimus Prime to the mainland to help him find the [[Genetic modifier|genetic thingy]] that Meltdown needed.

[[Image:Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime Powell.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Me Grimlock will love you and hug you and feed you and pet you and hug you and love you and call you George.]] Grimlock refused to listen to Prime's claims that Blackarachnia was using them, and he tore through the city to show the "puny humans" that "Dinobots rule". Arriving at [[Sumdac Tower]], Grimlock threatened [[Porter C. Powell]] with becoming lunch, which convinced the businessman to surrender the modifier. When the two Autobots returned to the island, Meltdown turned the tables on them, planning to remove Blackarachnia's technological half and leave him with an organic Transformer. To delay Grimlock and Prime, Meltdown sicced [[Fusion creature|his experiments]] on them. Grimlock nearly burned down half the forest while fighting "bad bat", but the other Dinobots arrived and helped them defeat the monsters while Prime put out the fire. After Prime defeated Meltdown, Blackarachnia urged him to hold her, causing Grimlock to attack Prime in jealousy. However, it was a trick to allow Blackarachnia time to escape, as Prime had predicted. Practically in tears, Grimlock begged Blackarachnia to return, saying he loved her, but all for naught. {{storylink|Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday}}

He later looked on as an oil rig with the Constructicons appeared out of nowhere and exploded off Dinobot Island. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

Grimlock and the Dinobots once again fall under Blackarachnia's sway. After having Swoop abduct [[Wasp]] she orders the Dinobots to stand guard. Sentinel Prime, along with [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] and [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]], sneak onto Dinobot Island to retrieve Wasp. Sentinel tells the Jet twins to create a diversion to get the Dinobots away from the enterance so he can sneak into Blackarachnia's lab. Grimlock is tricked into chasing Jetstorm and was [[to sell toys|defeated off camera]]. {{storylink|Predacons Rising}}

Later when Sari went to get the help of the Dinobots to fight [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], Grimlock and Swoop refused to help her. When she asked about Snarl, Grimlock tells her they kicked him out after he decided to become [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]]'s pet. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}

===Titan Magazines===

[[Image:Titan23_Grimlockvsswoop.jpg|left|200px|thumb|ONLY ME GRIMLOCK have speaking parts!]]

One day, it was raining really badly and making Grimlock's joints all stiff. Grimlock hate that! Then [[Sari Sumdac|that small girl thing]]
came to Dinobot Island; Grimlock almost ate her as a trespasser, but then she said the Dinobots could stay in the Autobots' base until it stopped raining and all they had to do in return was hit [[Starscream (Animated)|some annoying guy]] and his [[Starscream clone|clones]]. Plus, he got a souvenir in the form of a ripped off clone arm. Sari Grimlock's friend!

[[Simon Furman|Grimlock]] thinks there should be clones of ''him'' as the world needs more Grimlock! {{storylink|Dino-MIGHT!}}

Another day, the other Dinobots were sick and it made them attack Grimlock! Grimlock get hurt! Grimlock send an distress signal to other Autobots by means unknown! Small girl thing save him with [[AllSpark Key|even smaller glowy thing]], so he not eat her. {{storylink|Ratchet & Grimlock Are DEAD?}}

Bah! Swoop keep questioning Grimlock! ''HOW DARE'' he disagree with Grimlock! Grimlock kick Swoop out of Dinobots! Bah! How dare Swoop... oh, cows ''do'' give milk like Swoop said? Well... Swoop still sucks, shut up Snarl! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Divebomb}}
{{--}}
==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Grimlock Animated Toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Me Grimlock like. But want crown accessory.]]
*'''Grimlock''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Flaming sword

: Part of the third wave of ''Animated'' Voyagers, Grimlock transforms into a robotic [[Popular beast alternate modes|tyrannosaurus rex]] with a spring-loaded chompy-jaw. His flaming sword somehow pegs into his dino-jaw to simulate his flaming breath attack. A mechanized switch in the right robot-mode wrist interacts with a spring-loaded feature in the sword, revealing pop-out flames when the wrist is tilted. Purely by coincidence, a peg on his left leg is the exact right size to serve as a [[Powerlinx]] port for any [[Mini-Con]].

: The [[Instruction booklet|instruction sheet]] for this toy has an error in step two, in which his mid-back region (with the three hash marks on either side) is shown as both unfolding backwards to form part of his feet ''and'' staying where it is. Also, the call-out on the back of the packaging that claims his flame-sword doubles as a mouth-mounted jet of flame breath totally lies.

: Some Grimlocks have been reported with legs that are impossible to shorten into arms for robot mode. Others contract, but the two halves of the thighs/shoulders start to separate when they do. Others still have no problem. It looks like a quality control issue rather than a running change to fix the problem, as recently bought Grimlocks still suffer with this issue.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Grimlock/grimlock.htm More information on Grimlock at TFU.info]''

*'''Goldfire Grimlock''' (Voyager, 2010?)
**''Accessories'': Flaming sword

: Goldfire Grimlock appears to be a redeco of his Voyager toy, sporting a gold and black color scheme, with a few silver parts too. Me, Grimlock King!

{{Comingsoontoy}}



[[Image:ActivatorGrimlock.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Tonight, on Jurassic Fight Club: Nanotyrannus!]]
*'''Grimlock''' (Activator, 2008)

: Part of the third assortment of [[Activators]], this is a smaller, simplified version of the larger Grimlock toy. He features a spring-loaded [[Autotransform|auto-transformation]] from beast to robot mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ActGrimlock/grimlock.htm More information on Activators Grimlock at TFU.info]''

[[Image:Animated-toy_FireblastGrimlock.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Me Grimlock not [[The Fallen|Fallen]], Me Grimlock King!]]
*'''Fireblast Grimlock''' (Activator, 2009)

{{Comingsoontoy}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Grimlock took his name by forming a portmanteau out of a sentence spoken by Megatron: "My prospects are '''grim''', '''lock'''ed in this prison of a lab." Who knew he had it in him? For the entirety of seasons 1 and 2, he was the only Dinobot in the cartoon to have a name. This changed when Snarl finally received his name from Scrapper in mid-season 3. (Swoop wasn't named in the show at all.)
* He's still the only ''Animated'' Dinobot actually to speak. He may not talk pretty, but maybe he deserves some credit for making it THAT far.
* As seen in "[[Black Friday (episode)|Black Friday]]", when he is very angry (or in love), his head pops up and some fire shoots up from around his collar in robot mode.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Grimlock/grimlock.htm Grimlock at TFU.info]

[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Animated characters]]
[[Category:Dinobots]]

Rodimus Prime (Animated)

2009-09-09T17:21:40Z

63.203.180.99: /* Notes */ Derrick Wyatt wrote his club bio, which calls him Prime

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Rodimus}}
:''Rodimus Prime is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Animated Rodimus Bow.jpg|thumb|400px|Hawkeye Prime]]

'''Rodimus Prime''' is more than just a high ranking Autobot officer, he's the "Chosen One"! He is extremely popular amongst his fellow Autobot brethren, and has mastered several different battle skills, including servo-to-servo combat. While he has mastered the use of various defensive weaponry, his personal weapon of choice is his uniquely-designed energy bow. Rodimus is a born leader and strives to become the next [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Magnus]]. In other words, he's "practically perfect in every way".

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Judd Nelson]] (English)

[[Image:TransWarpedRodimusCosmicRust.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Aww, but I'm too cool to rust!]]

Rodimus Prime and his team, [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]], [[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]], [[Brawn (Animated)|Brawn]], and [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]], defended [[space bridge 687-030]] from [[Team Chaar]]. Rodimus ordered Brawn and Ironhide to fall back so they could protect the bridge, but a combo attack from [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]] and [[Cyclonus (Animated)|Cyclonus]] took down both [[Autobot]]s. Rodimus managed to evade [[Spittor (Animated)|Spittor]]'s tentacle-attack and incapacitate the monster, but he was quickly knocked aside by [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]]'s power-stomp attack.

As the Decepticons moved in, Rodimus defiantly growled that they'd have to go through him. In response, Oil Slick threw a vial of [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] at Rodimus' feet, which quickly spread across his body and paralyzed him. {{storylink|TransWarped}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:Animated Rodimus Minor toy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Help! I'm being attacked by ''Photoshop''!"]]
*'''Rodimus Minor''' (Deluxe, 2009?)
**''Accessories'': "Energy Bow", 2 missiles
: Rodimus Minor transforms into a futuristic car that highly homages the vehicle mode of Generation 1 [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. A panel on the car's hood, which is also the figure's chest, can be flipped to either show an engine block or the figure's Autobot [[insignia]]. The figure comes with an Energy Bow, capable of firing two missiles.

{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
*Rodimus shares his [[Hot Rod (G1)|Generation 1 counterpart]]'s original voice actor, Judd Nelson.
*This Rodimus is the second [[Rodimus (Energon)|to be a leader]] without [[The Transformers: The Movie|Optimus having to die first]].
*In an answer to a question at [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/4966/20/ TFCon 2009], [[Derrick J. Wyatt|Derrick Wyatt]] stated that Rodimus is recovering from the Cosmic Rust attack. Aside from a very brief cameo<ref>An Autobot with Rodimus's character model but slightly different color scheme can be seen in the lower right of a crowd shot in [[Endgame, Part II]].</ref> that may or may not be him, Rodimus's fate has never been revealed fictionally.
*Originally, Rodimus was going to be the [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|jerk]] character of ''Animated''. This means his team is roughly 60% [[Hot Shot (Animated)|scrapped]] [[Red Alert (Animated)|ideas]], although 40% of those are because of the [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]].
*Despite being credited by the show's creators as having the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] rank and clearly being the leader of a team like [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|another bloke]], his toy is listed as 'Rodimus Minor' for reasons currently unknown.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Animated characters]]

M&M

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#REDIRECT [[M&M's]]

User talk:Jimsorenson

2009-06-22T15:58:44Z

63.203.180.99: /* Letters Page */

== Downtimes ==

Hey, Jim. I moved your comment [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Leaving2#Site-up_issues|here]] to join its friends.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:34, 5 May 2009 (EDT)

== BW Models ==

Finished the scanning tonight. Expect an e-mail some time tomorrow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:17, 13 May 2009 (EDT)
:Well, awesome! Thank you, I'm looking forward to seeing the models. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:06, 13 May 2009 (EDT)

== Cybertronix alphabets ==

Can I ask how you made the [[:Image:Maximal Language.jpg]] and [[:Image:Predacon Language.jpg]] pics? They might [[:wikipedia:Template:BadJPEG|be better off without JPEG compression]], if possible... --[[User:Fleb|fleb]] 17:53, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
: I think I just typed them out and took a screen capture. You're welcome to grab the fonts and take a better pic. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 18:09, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Letters Page ==

Hey Jim, you've researched the UK letters pages since I love my notes on them... do you remember whereabout they talk about the US timeline, Time Wars etc being a new universe? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:16, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Oh, geeze. Ummm ... very late in the game, from what I recall. Dreadwing probably, not quite Blaster yet. Beyond that, I don't think I can help you. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:24, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

::Hrm...
::Also I ''might'' be wrong on this... but I think that the BK Transformers site is using your fonts. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:45, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
:::They sure are! Awesomesauce! Thanks for the heads up. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 11:58, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Chaar

2009-06-11T21:50:11Z

63.203.180.99:

Where does the spelling for this come from? Dreamwave's More Than Meets The Eye spells it Charr. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 16:30, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:The original G1 episode scripts. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:56, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::Is that it? Don't we usually count published, publicly-accessible works over behind-the-scenes stuff? --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 17:14, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::As I recall (not having the issue), [[The Big Broadcast of 2006!]] comic adaptation spelled it the right way, Chaar, yeeeeears ago. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:19, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Yup, just checked, it's indeed spelled Chaar in that terrible, terrible issue. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 17:24, 11 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Cool, thanks! --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 17:50, 11 June 2009 (EDT)