Talk:Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)

2011-07-26T20:53:00Z

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So how are we handling Headmasters-as-a-sub-frnachise? Or, more specificlaly, characters unique to it? There's not many, but they exist. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Would anybody mind terribly if I reinstated the "ass" where it says how Sixshot is a "bad***"? [[User:Barutazaru|Thew]] 12:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, I think that's probably needed. I spent a few minutes looking for a footnote until I realised those asterisks didn't actually signify one. [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 18:14, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

== Origin of the dub ==

"Though these episodes never aired in the United States, a version was dubbed into English overseas. Variously referred to as 'the Singapore dub' or 'the Star TV dub' (though in fact originating from RTM in Malaysia)"

Source for the last bit?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

:I was told of this by Jon Talpur, a chap who knows of that sort of thing. Couldn't say where HE knows it from, though, but a quick glance at ATT notes that this nugget goes back at least five years, with the specific note that they aired on that channel with their original openings and closing, rather than the Victory title dealie. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::Calling it the "RTM dub" originates from the fan Ratbat, who I was told did the proper research. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Episode Numbers for Dub Quotes?==
As a random owner of the recent DVD release in the UK which has the dub available on it, I would like to ask the following. Can someone put which Episode each of those hilarious dub quotes are from? As I would seriously like to hear them, but watching the entire series all over again would be painful (it was funny the first time round, but pretty long, and also very bad)? I'm specially interested in the Zarak one at the end, since it seems to contradict the character renaming....
Thanks! [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well the Zarak quote can be found in [[I_Risk_My_Life_for_Earth|Life Can Be Sacrificed for Peace on Earth]] according to the [[Omni Productions]] page. Its years since I've seen it though so I can't verify that. - [[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 12:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== Page move ==
Ugh... Do we really want to be putting stuff like "the" in titles of franchises, cartoons, etc.? For some reason that really bugs me. I like the idea of making an epiosde or comic issue title exact, including punctuation and such, but for something like this I really think the shorter and very easy to remember "Headmasters (cartoon)" is preferable. I similarly prefer Masterforce and its stuff to be where they are now, just at "Masterforce", without a "Super-God" or "Chojin". For example, if we insist on being precise about titles of franchises and TV shows, we have to change Beast Machines to ''Beast Machines: Transformers'', include "super life-form" in most of the Japanese titles, decide arbitrarily where to put colons, etc.. It is a huge can of worms that I think we should just avoid by using simple, easily-understood names. The [[Help:Contents|help pages]] currently say that franchise and series articles should be written "without redundancies". To me, that includes the word "the". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:I'd have to say that in the interests of accuracy, I'd ''really'' like to see "The Headmasters" and "Super-God Masterforce" in use. "Transformers", I can't say I'm bothered about, as it's decidedly on the redundant side, given where we are. In these two particular cases, though, all I can see it as is propogating ignorance. ''Very'' few people actually realise that ''Headmasters'' is called ''The Headmasters'' - it's logo is even specially designed around the fact that it's a two-worder, with a little star between the "the" and "Headmasters." And yeah, okay, that's only a "the," so I can see how it seems a bit pointless, but... ''Super-God Masterforce'' is the ''name of the show''. That's like... calling "Desperate Housewives" just "Housewives."

:(Oh, and as a sidebar, HM, MF and Zone all omit the "Super-robot-life" bit. Only the dub of the US show and Victory include that tag.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::I strongly agree with Chris. The "Housewives" comparison is apt. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:::We're talking about using the leading The on the cartoon pages, not the franchise pages, right? I'm down with that. If we use The in comic book stories that start with it-- dude,, it's the actual title of the series.
:::The franchise pages, OTOH, are somethign we made to guide people. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::::I agree with Chris. Personally, I'd have liked it to be "Transformers: The Headmasters", but removing words from the subtitle (for lack of a better term) has the same logic as turning "Beast Wars" into "Wars". The only difference is that "Headmasters" and "Masterforce" are more unique words than "Wars". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

::I, too, agree with Chris.
::Incidentally, I think this logic should also apply to "[[The Fallen]]" and "[[The One]]," which are also more titles than names. Just thought I'd throw that out there. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== Spoilerz ==

FYI: There are quite a few spoilery items in the "Notes" sections of the episode articles. I don't know if this is OK or not, but it makes it risky to read the articles alongside watching the show for the first time. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:54, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Same thing goes for every show we cover--just look at [[Sari Sumdac]]. Our spoiler period for broadcast media is 1 week, not 21 years. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 12:01, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::That is a character article. I don't know that episode or issue articles should routinely spoil future episodes/issues. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't recall seeing anything too spoilery anyway, other than some "this thing will be explained in this episode" type stuff. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:09, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't know of any specific existing instances, but I actually ''like'' the idea of spoilers in the Notes. I think it's valuable to document exactly when and how plot points get resolved. That having been said, I also think Starfield has a point. If I were watching a series for the first time, it would be hard to resist looking at the wiki as I went along, but I'd prefer to be able to preserve any suspense that I could. So how about we make a section called "Future episodes" or something, and put all such notes there? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:51, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

::::The value of "protecting" hypothetical first-time viewers of an old show is far outweighed by the ability to actually discuss the show's plot as a whole, rather than in bits and pieces. Can you imagine the Star Wars wiki trying to spoiler protect the identity of Darth Vader? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:47, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::"''[[Ultra Magnus Dies!!#Transformers references|This is]] probably the most important evolution of the Headmasters' powering-up abilities, as it is this specific version of the formation that will prove key in the final episode of the series.''" Oh, OK, thanks. Maybe it is just me, but I wouldn't write that on the episode 24 out of 35 page. It belongs on the [[Head Formation]] page, sure. BTW, I'm not hypothetical. I've never sat down and watched the whole thing before. Just sayin'. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:20, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Okay, the example you gave is a good example of notes who NEVER should be made.Wile forshadowing is okay in older shows, it is realy bad to actualy state how the show wil end halfway into it. I think we sould weed those out of the articles.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 16:30, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

As the guy responsible for this, I'm sticking to my guns. I am ''all'' for episode articles including call-forwards to later episodes, be they shows old or new, once they've aired. In this case, the show's twenty-two years old - I'm sure if we look, there are plenty of G1 and Beast Era episode articles that make references to future episodes, because they're written in retrospect. In the cited example, I made a point when I was writing the articles of charting the (ridiculous) conceptual evolution of the Head Formation in a literal, out-of-universe way. We're not in the business of shielding readers from decades-old spoilers - we're trying to spread information. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:49, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
:Besides, the statue of limitation on spoilers for these guys has already more than expired (in a sense). --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:25, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::"we're trying to spread information". Thiiiiiiiiiiis. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:22, 26 August 2009 (EDT)

This has been released in the US now, correct? If so, the page should reflect that. [[Special:Contributions/64.134.169.139|64.134.169.139]] 16:53, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

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