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Talk:Knockoff

2010-11-22T00:05:08Z

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This page needs a pic of that SEND THE BOOKS Energon Prime KO. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
:Done.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:43, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Anyone have anything they want also covered in here? I think it's fairly complete otherwise...--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:08, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

"It is probably safe to assume that knockoffs available in stores are quite legally produced and sold, and for those fans who collect them, this is fortunate: they provide a bizarre variety that is (with good reason) not to be found in official products." <-- Knockoffs are legal? Yeah, no. In other news, the number of African elephants triples!

Just a general note - I've never actually seen the names of the various Chinese KO companies thrown around before; can we get a citation/link to an article on these guys? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:Also, following up on myself, [http://jintoys.com/product.asp?A3=DA these guys] are some kind of gods of knockoffery. They have bootlegs I've never seen before, but would love to get my mitts on (G2 Powermasters, those Decepticon jets that had the scopes, tons of Real Gears, all kinds of crazy.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::Good lord, that's like the axis of flea market evil. I've seen most of that stuff. Sadly, no G2 Powermasters however.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)a
:::Hey look, [http://jintoys.com/photo/DA/DA7802.jpg USA Dark Saber] and [http://jintoys.com/photo/DA/DA8919.jpg a Shrapnel that wishes he were dead]!--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:04, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'll put citations in later today if I get the chance to. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 15:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

:done --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 23:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Trendmasters--isn't it more likely that they were just importing Leader Shine/Champion Crown toys themselves rather than KOing off Leader Shine, TFs, and Power Rangers? This would make sense since LS/CC themselves made KOs of Transformers and Power Rangers. By the way, what KO TFs and Power Rangers did they make? Were they the ones that made those small low-detail Dinobot knockoffs that Kay Bee used to sell in the 90s? I honestly had no idea Trendmasters was involved in KOs in the 90s until you brought that up. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 15:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't learn about it myself until I was sorting through some of my old KO cards last year. I'd say they were importing the Leader Shine figures, but there's absolutely no mention of Leader Shine on the cards I've got, which are all Leader Shine insect figures purchased at Kay Bee Toys years ago, which is why I included them here. I have yet to find the figures again, but I recall them still having the Leader Shine mark on them, which they retained on the Tek Toys versions and even some of the Big Lots issues. I know for a fact that Trendmasters made bootlegs of Power Rangers' Turbo Rangers figures without the vast majority of paint applications. I've checked around a bit and believe they may have also been the supplier of the Grandus KO that Toys R Us carried for a short while, although that may have been Tek Toys again (it's tricky to get ahold of these dastardly boxes). I'm also reasonably certain that they were among the loads of companies that marketed through Kay Bee Toys, and are likely the supplier of the toys that ripped off the Dinobot transformations. They might have also been a US importer of the Dai-Lung Master Godzilla-ized Grimlock figure, but I haven't been able to find an old US boxed sample to check.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
::If the Trendmasters insects have the Leader Shine mark on them, then they were probably importing them. The fact that the package doesn't mention Leader Shine isn't really a big deal--Sonokong Brave and TF toys don't mention Takara on their package, after all. The other bootlegs they sold were probably Leader Shine bootlegs as well. Do you have pictures of the PR Turbo bootlegs? When you say Grandus KO, you mean Sky Garry, right? I don't think that was them, but I believe I have one at home, so I can check when I get a chance. I think it was a company based out of Taiwan. I'm pretty sure the Mecha Godzilla Grimlock was just Leader Shine/Champion Crown releasing it directly. As for the Kay Bee dinobot knockoffs--that seems more likely to be Trendmasters given that (a) it was sold at Kay Bee as well, and (b) it fits Leader Shine's M.O. of a toy that transformers the same but is completely retooled. Too bad they were hard to find even back then. It would probably be nearly impossible to find them now. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 19:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

==eBay crackdown?==
I'm pretty sure I heard that virtually all the auctions for the chinese G1 knockoffs have been pulled from eBay. I certainly can't seem to find a Mirage, Metroplex, or cassette set right now. I'm assuming Hasbro said something to eBay? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== Just asking ==

Should anything be said here about things like iG34r and F4nsPr0j3¢t or would it be best to ignore them? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:04, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:iGear are, at this point, a knockoff manufacturer. FansProject are not.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
::FansProject has yet to copy anything from a Hasbro mold, even wheels, so that's a resounding no. I think I'll leave iGear out for now as they're mainly just infringing on a copyright currently as opposed to making straight up copies of Hasbro and Takara molds to my knowledge, but I'll suppose I'll wait and see.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 17:28, 28 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Nope, iGear has actually [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/generation-1-1/igear-ig-pp01-mini-masterpiece-optimus-prime-168342/ made the jump] with a scaled-down Masterpiece Optimus Prime knockoff.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:40, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

== Uh... ==

The Chinese even dare to use the modified version logo of TFW2005 on their knockoff package...[http://tfnd.net/BBS/showthread.php?p=134997#post134997] --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:02, 28 November 2009 (EST)
:Well, if you're already stealing molds, and Dreamwave art, that's kind of spit in the ocean.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:06, 28 November 2009 (EST)

== Bootleg vs knock off ==

Does anyone else see a difference between these two things? I had always thought of bootlegs as unofficial productions from the actual HasTak molds, while knock offs are made using molds produced by the knock off manufacturer. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:56, 20 December 2009 (EST)

==Space Warriors: Beast Tech Fighters==
I've owned a few for a long time, and I'm surprised they aren't mentioned here. Agglo, a Hong Kong based toy manufacturer known for low-cost children's items and knockoffs of toys from other companies, made knockoffs in this line of Transmetal 2 Rattrap, Transmetal 2 Megatron, RID Megatron, Beast Machines Optimus Primal (but this one is more accurate to the show than the real toy ironically), Leo Convoy, Heinrad, Armordillo, BW Sonar, Transmetal 2 Spittor, Scarem and some others as well. I own all of them except for RID Megatron and the latter 4. (And I lost the Leo Convoy Knockoff, which saddens me sense I loved that toy) they are all however, very low quality plastic which breaks very, very easy. Another interesting thing to note: On its packaging on the front, its main robot it likes to show is Beast Machines Cheetor, which so far I've not seen them have any toys of. Still, I feel they are worth mentioning sense Beast Wars Knockoffs are rather rare.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Added to article, sense no one ever replied. I have proof so if you need any pictures as proof, I can provide them. (I own alot of them) There is also this youtube video if you need more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONfMDWCpQ0Y--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
and just in case that wasn't enough proof, I found another one on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKM5LfbFhpY--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== Kid(d)i Toys ==

Is it "Kidi Toys" or "Kiddi Toys"? Currently both are used in the article. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:21, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

== Quick Change Transforming System ==
Any word on this line of toys? Pretty much all of them are G1 molds and is known for its enlarged minicons and shrunken Fortress Maximus.

An Explosive Situation

2010-11-21T05:14:58Z

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{{episode|
|series=RiD
|ep=2
|title="An Explosive Situation"
|japanese=高速バトル! ゲルシャーク
|romaji=Kōsoku Battle! Gelshark
|translation=High Speed Battle! Gelshark
|image=Explosive Situation Skybyte bomb.jpg
|caption=Nom nom nom
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]], [[Studio Gallop]]
|written by=[[Junki Takegami]] (Japanese) [[Tom Wyner]] (English)
|director=[[Yoshiaki Tsutsui]], [[Akira Katō]]
|animation studio=Studio Gallop
|airdate=[[April 12]], [[2000]] (Japanese) [[September 10]], [[2001]] (English)
|continuity=
}}
'''Predacons need fuel.''' 
'''So they steal it from a car.''' 
'''[[Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom|Sound familiar?]]'''

==Synopsis==
A nighttime delivery of a power cell is ruined by [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], who devours the truck and steals away the cargo. But the energy he consumes doesn't satiate the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]]'s hunger.

[[Image:Explosive Situation Kojitai.jpg|left|200px|thumb|No Koji, this doesn't count as sex.]]
[[Koji Onishi]] receives a message from [[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] and rushes outside to be retrieved by the [[Autobot]] leader, who brings Koji to the Autobots' secret underground headquarters. Prime introduces Koji to the "proactive cybernetic interface program" called [[T-AI]], the Tactical Artificial Intelligence. The two become quick friends, despite T-AI's lack of a solid body. Optimus explains that the Predacons have been responsible for various battery thefts. The three [[Autobot Brothers|Autobot brothers]], [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]], and [[X-Brawn]], patrol around in hopes of discovering a crime in progress (although Side Burn is easily distracted by his need to "rev up his engine").

[[Image:Explosive Situation Predaconbatteries.jpg|right|200px|thumb|They had to visit five Wal-Marts to collect this many.]]
Underwater, in his own hidden base, [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] mulls over his energy concerns. The Predacon trio arrives with a proposed solution: flashlight batteries. Megatron is unimpressed at how small his henchmen have been thinking. Sky-Byte uncloaks and presents his own, much better idea for powering the Predacons' base: They simply need to recover an energy bomb that some terrorists have hidden in a red sports car in [[Metro City]].

[[Image:Explosive Situation Kellyprowl.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Have you considered buying a hybrid?]]
At the docks, [[Kelly (RID)|Kelly]] is taking delivery of the last red sports car, which naturally contains the bomb. She takes it for a test drive, and before long is located by Sky-Byte. Unsurprisingly, Side Burn quickly arrives to hit on the car, prompting Sky-Byte to begin his attack. Prowl and Side Burn block the fish, but he swims/flies away and meets with the Predacon trio, who are trying to take the credit for recovering the bomb for themselves. Sky-Byte bites into the car to take it from [[Dark Scream]], shattering the car's structure. Trying to save the automobile, Side Burn unintentionally saves Kelly from certain death. Prowl apologizes to Kelly for letting the Predacons ruin her day.

With the explosive device in his teeth, Sky-Byte gradually floats back towards the Predacon command center, but X-Brawn steals the bomb right out of Sky-Byte's mouth. The rough handling causes the device to arm, and Sky-Byte warns X-Brawn of the impending explosion. Koji suggests taking the bomb somewhere high up, and X-Brawn uses his grappling hook to swing from building to building to the radio tower where he begins his ascent.

[[Image:Explosive Situation Skybyteinspace.jpg|right|200px|thumb|His bosses didn't like him so they shot him into space!]]
Realizing that the blast radius would be larger than the tower is tall, Optimus Prime rushes out of the base. In the city, X-Brawn tosses the bomb from the top of the tower as far upwards as he can. Using his "Power Stream" attack, Prime fires a blast of water at the bomb, carrying the explosive (and Sky-Byte) out of the Earth's atmosphere. Miles above the Earth, Sky-Byte triggers the explosive. The explosion fills the city's sky with a yellow glow, but no buildings are destroyed.

Once he's recovered, Sky-Byte begins a study of human culture but is frustrated by the combined power of the works of [[wikipedia:Charles_Dickens|Charles Dickens]] and [[wikipedia:William_Shakespeare|William Shakespeare]].

{{--}}
==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]] (5)
*[[T-AI]] (6)
*[[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] (7)
*[[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] (9)
*[[X-Brawn]] (10)

|h2=[[Predacon (RID)|Predacons]]
|c2=
*[[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] (3)
*[[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Slapper (RID)|Slapper]] (12)
*[[Dark Scream]] (13)
*[[Gas Skunk]] (14)

|c3=
*Truck Driver (1)
*Truck Passenger (2)
*[[Koji Onishi]] (4)
*[[Kelly (RID)|Kelly]] (8)
*[[Dorie Dutton]] (15)
}}

==Quotes==

'''Megatron''': How is this energy being stored and how long will it take to convert? 
'''Dark Scream''': It's stored in little round canisters. 
'''Gas Skunk''': They're used in something called "flashlights" and we've got thousands of 'em! Ahahahahahahahahahaha! 
''(Prolonged evil laughter from Dark Scream, Gas Skunk, and Slapper)'' 
'''Slapper''': Great score, huh? Of course, we'll have to convert it to energon, and that'll take a while. 
'''Dark Scream''': I don't think it'll take more than a week or two. 
'''Gas Skunk''': Welllll... three at the most. 
'''Megatron''': SILENCE! We... need.... ''massive-quantities-of-energy-not-little-batteries!! 
'''Slapper''': Sorry, this is all we could find! 
'''Gas Skunk''': Anywhere! 
'''Megatron''': .........'''YOU HAVE FAILED ME!''' BEAST MODE! DID YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE ENERGY IN THESE PUNY BATTERIES WOULD BE ENOUGH TO RUN THIS BASE?! 
'''Slapper''': ....well.... yeah. Sorta. 
'''Megatron''': FOOLS! I SHOULD ADD ''YOUR'' ENERGY CORES TO THE CONVERSION VATS! 
'''Sky-Byte''': You've wasted your time, Megatron. One of those flashlights is brighter than the three of them combined. 
:-The '''Predacon Trio''' at about the height of their competence

"Here's a tip for you: Never ignore a warning from a shark!"
:—'''Sky-Byte'''

"Sorry, ma'am. I do apologize for the inconvenience. Are you all right?" 
"For someone who's been attacked by a giant flying squirrel and a huge toad, a maniacal shark and a monstrous skunk...sure, I'm just fine."
:—'''Prowl''' and '''Kelly'''

"What sort of nonsense is this? 'It was the best of times, it was the worst of times'? Best or worst, make up your mind!"
:—The subtleties of human literature are lost on '''Sky-Byte'''.

==Notes==
===Differences with ''Car Robots''===
*As Koji comes running out of his house at the start of the episode, ''Car Robots'' has him calling Optimus Prime on his communicator, while ''Robots in Disguise'' flips the scene, and has Koji responding to a summons from Prime.
*''Car Robots'' is set in [[Tokyo]], while ''Robots in Disguise'' is set in the fictional [[Metro City]]. As such, ''Robots in Disguise'' has to refrain from naming the tower X-Brawn scales, which is quite plainly the famous [[wikipedia:Tokyo Tower|Tokyo Tower]]. Later in the episode, T-AI gives the tower's height as 500 feet; Tokyo Tower is actually 1093 feet tall (333 meters).
*In ''Robots in Disguise'', X-Brawn merely scales the tower to get a better vantage point, and grumbles about his shocks as he takes the stairs in vehicle mode. In ''Car Robots'', on the other hand, he is actually just goofing around, and ''enjoys'' the "rough terrain" of the stairs. This is just how X-Brawn is in ''Car Robots'', as shown as early as last episode.
*''Car Robots'' explicitly identifies the nationality of the terrorists. They're Korean.
*In ''Car Robots'', Slapper, Gas Skunk and Darkscream are worried about human police. In ''Robots in Disguise'', they're more concerned with the bomb going off prematurely.
[[Image:Rid_ep2_cutscene.jpg|right|thumb|200px|G-G-G-G-Ghost shark!]]
*''Robots in Disguise'' cuts out two shots of Sky-Byte pursuing Kelly, probably because they involve the slightly confusing use of a "ghostly" image of Sky-Byte, to show the audience that he is underneath the bridge. A few moments later, though, the show extends the chase scene by repeating footage of him chomping at Kelly's car's tail.
*In ''Car Robots'', Sky-Byte doesn't realize Prowl and Side Burn are Autobots until they transform. In ''Robots in Disguise'', he recognizes them on sight.
*In ''Car Robots'', Side Burn extends his arm to catch Kelly and her sportscar ''before'' they fall. ''Robots in Disguise'' reorders the scene to place this shot after the she starts plummeting.
*In ''Car Robots'', rather than say she's okay after she's caught by Prowl, Kelly bemoans her fate as "The most miserable woman in the universe". Sorry, dear, this is just the start of it...
*''Robots in Disguise'' combines some pieces of footage to create a new scene of Prowl telling X-Brawn to take the bomb to the top of the tower; in ''Car Robots'', X-Brawn comes up with this plan on his own initiative.
*''Car Robots'' has X-Brawn turn his head and spot Optimus Prime just after Prime rolls up. ''Robots in Disguise'' moves the scene to just before the audience sees Prime arrive.
*In ''Robots in Disguise'', the Predacons make fun of Sky-Byte for reading human books and not understanding them. In ''Car Robots'', however, they're actually quietly impressed at his ability to survive the explosion, but they then giggle when Darkscream points out he's still a show-off (the implication being that Sky-Byte reading books is nothing new, and the failure to comprehend them being a creation of the dub). ''Robots in Disguise'' also extends the scene by repeating the shot of Sky-Byte leaning over his book and grumbling in the middle of the Predacons' whispered exchange.
*Scenes lengthened in ''Robots in Disguise'' by looped and repeated footage include:
**Koji's introduction to T-AI, allowing the show to make its well-known "daughter of [[Teletraan I (RID)|Teletraan I]]" reference
**Sky-Byte's explanation before he plays Dorrie Dutton's news report
**Slapper and company's worries about the bomb
**Sky-Byte's warning to Prowl
**Kelly and Prowl's exchange after he catches her
**X-Brawn and Sky-Byte's argument over the bomb

===Animation or technical errors===
* Megatron pronounces the Transformers' preferred [[energon (fuel)|fuel source]] as "ener-gone."
* The colors of most of Prowl's Autobot [[insignia]] are inverted when he catches Kelly, and full-on miscolored yellow-orange when tries to think what to do about the bomb.

===Real-world references===
*As Sky-Byte approaches the rear of the truck and begins to take bites out of it, the soundtrack starts playing ''Jaws'' music.
* The book Sky-Byte reads from is ''A Tale of Two Cities'' by Charles Dickens. It's also ''Hamlet'' by William Shakespeare. Even the book can't make up its mind!

===Transformers references===
* T-AI introduces herself as the daughter of the [[Teletraan I (RID)|Teletraan I]] program. She mispronounces it "Teletron" in typical [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'']] style.
* The Predacon base is powered by [[Transwarp]] cells.
* Megatron requests that the batteries be converted into [[Energon cube|Energon cubes]].

===Trivia===
* This episode about terrorist bombs in cities first aired the day before 9/11. It SO never aired again.
* Sky-Byte's dramatic entrance inside the Predacon base suggests a power of invisibility or teleportation, or both. Whatever it was, he never used it again.
* The truck delivering the fuel cell has a license plate G39-20.
* Kelly's car which is destroyed at the beginning of the episode has a license plate J38-57.
* Kelly's custom XZ-12 sports car, which she seems surprisingly willing to drive considering it's "the only one left that hasn't been searched" for a bomb, has a plate number J-68-85 (and sometimes J68-85).
* Side Burn is able to extend his arm while in vehicle mode.
* Optimus Prime's "[[Super Mode|battle mode]]" debuts in this episode, though he announces "Optimus Prime, Optimize!". For future episodes it's standardized to "Battle mode!"
* The highway damaged by Sky-Byte's entrance mysteriously disappears.
* X-Brawn seems quite skilled at swinging around the city on his winch line like a [[wikipedia:Spiderman| certain friendly neighborhood superhero]] while in vehicle mode. We don't really see this talent again.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2000 — ''Transformers: Car Robots'' — Vol. 1 ([[Pony Canyon]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Volume One ([[Maximum Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Three-Disc Box Set: Part 1 of 2 (Maximum Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Battle Protocol (Maximum Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Special Edition 2-Disc Set (Maximum Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise / RoboCop: The Animated Series / M.A.S.K.'' (Maximum Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Season One (Maximum Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Transformers: Robots in Disguise'' — Ultimate Collection (Maximum Entertainment)

==External links==
*[http://www.ridforever.info/transformers-transcripts/rid-episode-02-an-explosive-situation.php "An Explosive Situation" transcript on RiDForever.info]

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