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User talk:76.213.224.139

2008-01-13T05:37:38Z

64.229.54.158:

May I ask what your problem is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:My best guess is this is Floro himself who is completely '''outraged''' that anyone but him would get credited for design work on Transformers. After all this is the guy who claims Takara's Diaclone Planet Robo design was stolen from the Unicron design he'd make years later. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we're worth the real Floro Dery's time.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 05:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think you've noticed his past track record. Clearly, we are. (We are also racist robots.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem and I am not Floro. My name is Charlie Alvarado, a Transformers fan. Your are the one who has a problem posting speculative informations without supporting visual evidence. - Charlie {{unsigned|76.213.224.139}}
:Hi Floro. We've got Shohei's art posted on his article, it can't get more visually evident than that. And where is ''your'' visual evidence that our information is wrong? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

It's useles to continue arguing without resolving and answering the following questions:

1. Why George Dunsay in his interview said that Takara and Hasbro were not involved in the creative concept of the transforming planet?

2. Why Mr. Dery and Hiroyuki were given credits in the 1989 Japanese Transformers movie version?

3. Why Mr. Dery is given credit and Hiroyuki has no credit in the 1986 US Transformers movie version?

4. Why the Unicron design of Hiroyuki that is posted here is not dated?

5. Why the alleged claim that the posted cartoon designs here were done by Shohei when in fact the cartoons were designed by Mr. Dery in 1984 which were published by Marvel people recently in the book Transformers: Ark according to Joshua Chapman? Here's the Amazon website

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1600100805?showViewpoints=1

6. Why the alleged Shohei's cartoon designs posted here is not dated?

7. Why the incredible misinformations in these website?

- Charlie {{unsigned|76.213.224.139|17:27, 7 January 2008}}

The drawings of Shohei's are based on Mr. Dery's cartoon designs compiled in the Transformers: Ark. Besides Shohei's drawings are not dated. Hiroyuki's design is also not dated. DATE is the litmus test.

The book OLD ART from STUFF BEFORE TRANSFORMERS, there is no such book. Don't invent. Assuming there is such a book, OLD ART of what?

You people are contradicting George Dunsay who said that TAKARA is not involved in the design of the transforming planet, which proved that Mr. Dery is the originator of the transforming planet Unicron.

You people proved nothing, in fact you have shown that your articles are just SPECULATIONS and MISINFORMATIONS to twist the truth. Why?

For your information, I e-mailed the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, offering Mr. Dery that I will finance and publish his original colored Transformers designs as an art book. If Mr. Dery agrees, I will let you people know. I am thinking of a book title that will drive you people crazy.

I posted here because you blocked my other IP address. I proved that all of you are wrong and confused, so you blocked my IP.

Pity, but no thanks for all your insults directed against me. But I am not surprise because, generally, those who cannot win the arguments usually use insults to silence their opponents

- Charlie

: Hello, my name is Floro Dery, and I inventend Transformers. In fact, I invented robots long before Japan ever even heard of them.

: I also invented Hasbro. And Takara.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

::No, ''I'm'' Floro Dery! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:Guys, if this guy wants to rant to his audience of one, let him. We have better things to do. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::How dare you say that to me, Floro Dery. Clearly, you're just a racist. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

:1. Hasbro and Takara were not involved in the creation of Unicron. Everyone here agrees that Floro created Unicron. What he didn't do is create the concept of a transforming planet. That concept was created by someone at Takara before 1985. That "Japanese Unicron" is '''not''' Unicron, and was '''not''' created for ''Transformers''; the art from the book the scan was taken from is about Takara action figure lines from before 1985, and therefore predates the movie. Floro may have very well came up with the idea of a transforming planet on his own; he just wasn't the first to put the idea to paper.
:2. Floro made the animation models. Hiroyuki was likely involved in the Japanese localization (This consisted of translating the script, recording new voice tracks, and adding Japanese credits. Nothing else was changed)
:3. Hiroyuki was probably only involved in the Japanese localization, and would therefore not be included in the credits from the original (READ: English Language) version.
:4. It is a scan of concept art. Any dates or other information included on the sheet are not part of the actual concept art and therefore would not be included in any compilations.
:5. Floro Dery made the character models actually used in the cartoon. However, those were simplified (read: easier to animate) versions of the ones made by Shohei.
:6. It is a scan of a character model. Any dates or other information included on the sheet are not part of the actual character model and therefore would not be included in any compilations.
:7. If you can find a mistake that can be verified with more then "HE TELL ME" (IE, something that has been published, or an interview transcript), be free to fix it.
:8. No, ''I'm'' Floro Dery, and I invented Japan and the concept of toys. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:9. I just got Edit Conflicted'd three times trying to make this post.

:I know this basically repeats a lot of what [[User:FortMax|FortMax]] just said, but I spent a while typing it, so darned if I'll let it go to waste. (Besides, I probably was one reason he got an Edit Conflict, and vice-versa.)

:Let's see, point by point...

::''The drawings of Shohei's are based on Mr. Dery's cartoon designs compiled in the Transformers: Ark.''

:And the proof of this is...? You have offered comments on the some of the process involved in the creation of Mr. Dery's designs. None of this proves whether or not the Japanese designs were based on his. However, the comparison picture [[Floro Dery#Participation in the modern fandom|shown here]] seems to indicate Mr. Dery in fact simplified some of Mr. Kohara's designs.

::''Besides Shohei's drawings are not dated. Hiroyuki's design is also not dated. DATE is the litmus test.''

:If no date is available for a piece of art, that does not negate its worth for the argument. It's very helpful, yes, but not the one and only means of proof.

::''The book OLD ART from STUFF BEFORE TRANSFORMERS, there is no such book. Don't invent. Assuming there is such a book, OLD ART of what?''

:This is obviously a description of a book, not a title, yet you are making fun of it because it doesn't sound like a real title. You are using very poor arguing tactics and insulting people by accusing them of lying about the book's existence. In short, you are doing just what you accuse others here of doing. Pity, pity.

:The book in question is ''Takara SF Land Archives'' (''Takara SF Land Daizenshuu'', タカラSFランド大全集), published by Kodansha in November 1999. As you can see from the cover image [http://www.edit.ne.jp/~sashida/SFland/SFland.html here], it contains images and information on various Takara-original SF toy lines from the 1970s and early 1980s, including Henshin Cyborg, Magnemo, Microman (including Microchange), and Diaclone. All these toy lines predate Transformers. The last two toy lines were the primary source of toy designs for the original TF line from 1984-1985, and even 1986 (e.g., Ultra Magnus). Scattered throughout the book's pages are illustrations showing design art for various Takara toys from those toy lines, along with concept art of toys that were never produced...such as the Planet-Robot drawn by Mr. Hataike.

::''You people are contradicting George Dunsay who said that TAKARA is not involved in the design of the transforming planet, which proved that Mr. Dery is the originator of the transforming planet Unicron.''

:It's likely Mr. Dery did design Unicron. That does NOT mean he created the idea of a transforming planet. There is a distinct difference.

::''You people proved nothing, in fact you have shown that your articles are just SPECULATIONS and MISINFORMATIONS to twist the truth. Why?''

:The articles here have provided more visual proof than you have, and argued their case better. Regardless of how people have responded to you personally, the articles themselves present their material quite well. Of course, your biggest gripe of "misinformation" seems to be that the articles claim Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron. They do not claim this. They suggest he did not create the idea of a transforming planet, which is something else entirely. As evidence to support this suggestion, they provide an image from a book about Takara toys that predate TFs.

::''For your information, I e-mailed the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, offering Mr. Dery that I will finance and publish his original colored Transformers designs as an art book. If Mr. Dery agrees, I will let you people know.''

:I think that would actually be a pretty cool project.

::''I am thinking of a book title that will drive you people crazy.''

:So you'd risk alienating part of your potential readership?

::''I posted here because you blocked my other IP address. I proved that all of you are wrong and confused, so you blocked my IP.''

:Your other IPs were blocked because posting from multiple IPs was cluttering the wiki and, in combination with your belligerent attitude, it made you look trollish. All you have to do is register for an account on the wiki; that would solve the problem neatly.

::''Pity, but no thanks for all your insults directed against me. But I am not surprise because, generally, those who cannot win the arguments usually use insults to silence their opponents''

:The same can be said for people who cannot win by stubbornly and angrily repeating unsupported claims, and so resort to condescension and self-righteousness when they find they've irritated others.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing? Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei? This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.

So, the Japanese book was published in 1999 and the Transformers movie came out in 1986, probably the transforming planet Unicron designs of Mr. Dery were done in 1985. That's a difference of almost 15 years.

Truly, you inadvertently proved that Mr. Dery was the originator of the transforming planet Unicron, Hiroyuki is just a copycat. Also, George Dunsay was right that Takara was not involved in the design of the transforming planet Unicron. You see, what matters is the DATE because the date is the LITMUS TEST.

I will e-mail your post here to the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, to let them know about these things.

Thank you very much, you also proved that all my posts here are right and your allegations are wrong.

- Charlie

:a book called the ark came out last year and it featured all of dery's animation models since the japanese book came out in 1999 and the book with dery's art came out in 2007 that means the japanese design predates dery's design by 8 years!

You forgot, the Transformers movie came out in 1986, the original series in 1984. Got you there!
- Charlie
:Diaclone ran from 1980-1985.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:Again, responding point by point:

::''I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing?''

:First, if you know Japanese so well, you should know that the Japanese artists' last names are Kohara and Hataike. Just a minor point, but it's been bothering me.

:Mr. Kohara's drawings are noticeably more complex than Mr. Dery's. Why do you call them simplified? You are starting this argument on a flawed premise.

::''Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei?''

:Mr. Kohara's art isn't simplified. Mr. Dery's is, for the purpose of being easier to animate. Why would assistants need to simplify it further? Why are you even talking about assistants here?

::''This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.''

:It shows no such thing. It's easy to see that Mr. Kohara's art is more detailed than Mr. Dery's. Why would he create more complex models for animation from Mr. Dery's simpler models, when the simpler models were needed for animation? Just because you personally think it would be silly for assistants to simplify Mr. Dery's drawings (and that's not even relevant), that doesn't prove anything about which artist drew designs first.

::''So, the Japanese book was published in 1999 and the Transformers movie came out in 1986, probably the transforming planet Unicron designs of Mr. Dery were done in 1985. That's a difference of almost 15 years.''

:And the book ''Transformers: The Ark'', which contains Mr. Dery's designs, came out last year, 8 years after ''Takara SF Land'', 21 years after the movie, and "probably" 22 years from Mr. Dery's designs. So what?

:And that's another point—"probably"? So you '''don't''' know for sure when those designs were done?

::''Truly, you inadvertently proved that Mr. Dery was the originator of the transforming planet Unicron, Hiroyuki is just a copycat.''

:Truly, I have proven no such thing. First, no one is arguing Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron, only that Mr. Hataike's art came before the Unicron design.

:Second, you keep SAYING Mr. Hataike's art came after Mr. Dery's, but your only "proof" of this is the lack of a date on Mr. Hataike's work. That isn't proof. It lends to speculation, yes, but it is NOT proof.

:Then, just above, you say Mr. Dery's designs were "probably" done in 1985. If the date is really the big litmus test, don't Mr. Dery's designs have a date on them? If they do, why are they only "probably" from 1985?

::''Also, George Dunsay was right that Takara was not involved in the design of the transforming planet Unicron. You see, what matters is the DATE because the date is the LITMUS TEST.''

:Why do you keep coming back to whether Mr. Dery designed Unicron? No one is saying he didn't design Unicron. We ARE saying he was not the first to design a transforming planet. Unicron was NOT the first transforming planet design in the world, that's all. The Planet-Robot design in the ''Takara SF Land'' book predates Unicron, but it is NOT Unicron. Mr. Dery designed Unicron.

:Even if we ignore that point, the date is '''A''' litmus test. It is not '''THE''' litmus test. No matter how often as you insist it is, that doesn't make it true. If you're basing your entire argument on the fact that there is no date on Mr. Hataike's work, then you have only a very weak basis. And if you're not even sure when Mr. Dery's designs were drawn, then your argument has NO basis.

::''I will e-mail your post here to the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, to let them know about this things.''

:Go right ahead; the wiki and its Talk pages are already public, so Mr. Dery's web master is free to read them anyway. Frankly, I don't think telling him about these pages will make a difference, but there's no reason you shouldn't.

::''Thank you very much, you also proved that all my posts here are right and your allegations are wrong.''

:Without insult, I have shown you several times how your reasoning and arguments are flawed. I don't understand how you can believe you've won any argument, unless you are simply choosing to ignore what I and others here have been saying. I'll repeat my main points, just to be sure you're clear on them:

:*1. No one is saying Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron.

:*2. Just because Mr. Dery designed Unicron, that doesn't mean he was the first person to design a transforming planet.

:*3. There is a Planet-Robot image in the ''Takara SF-Land'' book, an entire book devoted to Takara toy designs that predated Transformers. While there is no date on that specific image, since it is in an entire book of designs that predate Transformers, it is not unreasonable to believe that the design also predates Transformers.

:*4. Just because Takara had a transforming planet design before Unicron's design, that doesn't mean Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron. It just means he wasn't the first to design a transforming planet.

:I hope this clears up the situation. You don't need to prove Mr. Dery designed Unicron. You have not proven Mr. Kohara or Mr. Hataike's work was copied or based on Mr. Dery's work. The date by itself is not enough, and absence of a date does not equal a date after Mr. Dery's work.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:33, 9 January 2008(UTC)

:: Doug, you should use less negative forms. "Charlie" doesn't seem to comprehend sentences that contain double negations and the likes. You yhould say it like this: "Mr. Dery designed Unicron. Nobody denies that." And so on.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:''I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing? Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei? This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.''
:As far as anyone knows, the character models that were made in Japan and simplified by Mr. Dery were the ones for the Transformers released in 1984. A number of those earlier, more complex models were actually used in the first two or three Marvel Transformer comics and the animated commercial for the original mini-series. Also, the models for the toys released in 1985 generally keep toy's proportions and have more toy-accurate weapons. The 1984 models are gennerally taller and thinner, especially when comparing Trailbreaker and Prowl/Bluestreak, and Starscream/Skywarp/Thunderckacker to Hoist, Smokescreen and Dirge/Ramjet/Thrust. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

::Just to make it clear, while wiping away the tears of laughter at "Charlie's" arguments, Kohara's models as originally drawn up were ''never'' animated. They were all cleaned up by Dery first. Megatron's design however was revised twice, so he actually has three models - Kohara's original, Dery's first revision that appeared in the early commercials and comics, and the final version that appeared everywhere else. Hopefully the more accurate we can make things the less Pity's (sic) we'll get! [[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 10:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I greatly enjoy this person. He is rich in entertainment. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Earlier Charlie asked about providing proof that [[Shohei Kohara]]'s models predated Dery's own. Here's proof, straight from an interview with Dery by [http://members.aol.com/tfencyc/interview_dery.html Zobovor]:
{{quote|What I do know is that the animation cartoon designs for the first season of the Transformers series came from Japan. I simplified it further and my assistants did the clean-up.|Floro Dery}}

There you have it, Charlie. Go away now.

: Ha ha ha. That's BRILLIANT. (Of course, now Charlie will claim that Zobovor retroactively edited the interview)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is a qoute from Mr. Dery's website http://hometown.aol.com/kuest144/transanimdes.html

"These are just a few of the numerous Transformers animation cartoon designs by Floro Dery. Initially, Dery used 3 rough designs from Korea or Japan and about 3 toy box arts which he redesigned, simplified, and changed for animation. The producer told him to discontinue the use of the toy box arts because of possible copyright violations, after which he based almost all of his designs on the toys. Nevertheless, it created a misconception for some and wrongly attributed Dery's designs to the artists of Takara, TOEI, Studio Ox, and Marvel Comics. The fact is that these studios used Dery's designs but didn't give him credit. Anyway, can you recognize the names of the following cartoon characters?"

I will believe more what Mr. Dery said. He was at the studio and you people were not.

The 3 designs were from Korea or Japan, Mr. Dery said? Probably from Korea because the producer was a Korean.

- Charlie
:So basically Dery is completely contradicting what he's said in Zobovor's interview. How can we believe anything he says if he says different things in different places? And why does he refer to himself in the third person? --[[User:64.229.54.158|64.229.54.158]] 04:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I have just read Zobovor's interview, I think Mr. Dery did not contradict himself.

Why does he refer to himself in the third person? Do not ask me. Better still, you ask Mr. Dery, or ask the guy maintaining his website.

- Charlie
:Because you talk the exact same way as Ote and kuest144? Either way, this little tidbit must've slipped by you, or you intentionally blocked it out.
{{quote|What I do know is that the animation cartoon designs for the first season of the Transformers series came from Japan. I simplified it further and my assistants did the clean-up.|Floro Dery}}
:Dery himself admits the season 1 designs originally came from Japan and he only modified them. So your claims that we are wrong about Shohei Kohara's contributions to the medium are wrong, because even Floro admits to his contributions. --[[User:64.229.54.158|64.229.54.158]] 05:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:76.213.224.139

2008-01-13T04:17:56Z

64.229.54.158:

May I ask what your problem is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 05:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:My best guess is this is Floro himself who is completely '''outraged''' that anyone but him would get credited for design work on Transformers. After all this is the guy who claims Takara's Diaclone Planet Robo design was stolen from the Unicron design he'd make years later. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we're worth the real Floro Dery's time.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 05:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't think you've noticed his past track record. Clearly, we are. (We are also racist robots.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem and I am not Floro. My name is Charlie Alvarado, a Transformers fan. Your are the one who has a problem posting speculative informations without supporting visual evidence. - Charlie {{unsigned|76.213.224.139}}
:Hi Floro. We've got Shohei's art posted on his article, it can't get more visually evident than that. And where is ''your'' visual evidence that our information is wrong? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:10, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

It's useles to continue arguing without resolving and answering the following questions:

1. Why George Dunsay in his interview said that Takara and Hasbro were not involved in the creative concept of the transforming planet?

2. Why Mr. Dery and Hiroyuki were given credits in the 1989 Japanese Transformers movie version?

3. Why Mr. Dery is given credit and Hiroyuki has no credit in the 1986 US Transformers movie version?

4. Why the Unicron design of Hiroyuki that is posted here is not dated?

5. Why the alleged claim that the posted cartoon designs here were done by Shohei when in fact the cartoons were designed by Mr. Dery in 1984 which were published by Marvel people recently in the book Transformers: Ark according to Joshua Chapman? Here's the Amazon website

http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1600100805?showViewpoints=1

6. Why the alleged Shohei's cartoon designs posted here is not dated?

7. Why the incredible misinformations in these website?

- Charlie {{unsigned|76.213.224.139|17:27, 7 January 2008}}

The drawings of Shohei's are based on Mr. Dery's cartoon designs compiled in the Transformers: Ark. Besides Shohei's drawings are not dated. Hiroyuki's design is also not dated. DATE is the litmus test.

The book OLD ART from STUFF BEFORE TRANSFORMERS, there is no such book. Don't invent. Assuming there is such a book, OLD ART of what?

You people are contradicting George Dunsay who said that TAKARA is not involved in the design of the transforming planet, which proved that Mr. Dery is the originator of the transforming planet Unicron.

You people proved nothing, in fact you have shown that your articles are just SPECULATIONS and MISINFORMATIONS to twist the truth. Why?

For your information, I e-mailed the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, offering Mr. Dery that I will finance and publish his original colored Transformers designs as an art book. If Mr. Dery agrees, I will let you people know. I am thinking of a book title that will drive you people crazy.

I posted here because you blocked my other IP address. I proved that all of you are wrong and confused, so you blocked my IP.

Pity, but no thanks for all your insults directed against me. But I am not surprise because, generally, those who cannot win the arguments usually use insults to silence their opponents

- Charlie

: Hello, my name is Floro Dery, and I inventend Transformers. In fact, I invented robots long before Japan ever even heard of them.

: I also invented Hasbro. And Takara.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 00:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

::No, ''I'm'' Floro Dery! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:47, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:Guys, if this guy wants to rant to his audience of one, let him. We have better things to do. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:49, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::How dare you say that to me, Floro Dery. Clearly, you're just a racist. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

:1. Hasbro and Takara were not involved in the creation of Unicron. Everyone here agrees that Floro created Unicron. What he didn't do is create the concept of a transforming planet. That concept was created by someone at Takara before 1985. That "Japanese Unicron" is '''not''' Unicron, and was '''not''' created for ''Transformers''; the art from the book the scan was taken from is about Takara action figure lines from before 1985, and therefore predates the movie. Floro may have very well came up with the idea of a transforming planet on his own; he just wasn't the first to put the idea to paper.
:2. Floro made the animation models. Hiroyuki was likely involved in the Japanese localization (This consisted of translating the script, recording new voice tracks, and adding Japanese credits. Nothing else was changed)
:3. Hiroyuki was probably only involved in the Japanese localization, and would therefore not be included in the credits from the original (READ: English Language) version.
:4. It is a scan of concept art. Any dates or other information included on the sheet are not part of the actual concept art and therefore would not be included in any compilations.
:5. Floro Dery made the character models actually used in the cartoon. However, those were simplified (read: easier to animate) versions of the ones made by Shohei.
:6. It is a scan of a character model. Any dates or other information included on the sheet are not part of the actual character model and therefore would not be included in any compilations.
:7. If you can find a mistake that can be verified with more then "HE TELL ME" (IE, something that has been published, or an interview transcript), be free to fix it.
:8. No, ''I'm'' Floro Dery, and I invented Japan and the concept of toys. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:50, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:9. I just got Edit Conflicted'd three times trying to make this post.

:I know this basically repeats a lot of what [[User:FortMax|FortMax]] just said, but I spent a while typing it, so darned if I'll let it go to waste. (Besides, I probably was one reason he got an Edit Conflict, and vice-versa.)

:Let's see, point by point...

::''The drawings of Shohei's are based on Mr. Dery's cartoon designs compiled in the Transformers: Ark.''

:And the proof of this is...? You have offered comments on the some of the process involved in the creation of Mr. Dery's designs. None of this proves whether or not the Japanese designs were based on his. However, the comparison picture [[Floro Dery#Participation in the modern fandom|shown here]] seems to indicate Mr. Dery in fact simplified some of Mr. Kohara's designs.

::''Besides Shohei's drawings are not dated. Hiroyuki's design is also not dated. DATE is the litmus test.''

:If no date is available for a piece of art, that does not negate its worth for the argument. It's very helpful, yes, but not the one and only means of proof.

::''The book OLD ART from STUFF BEFORE TRANSFORMERS, there is no such book. Don't invent. Assuming there is such a book, OLD ART of what?''

:This is obviously a description of a book, not a title, yet you are making fun of it because it doesn't sound like a real title. You are using very poor arguing tactics and insulting people by accusing them of lying about the book's existence. In short, you are doing just what you accuse others here of doing. Pity, pity.

:The book in question is ''Takara SF Land Archives'' (''Takara SF Land Daizenshuu'', タカラSFランド大全集), published by Kodansha in November 1999. As you can see from the cover image [http://www.edit.ne.jp/~sashida/SFland/SFland.html here], it contains images and information on various Takara-original SF toy lines from the 1970s and early 1980s, including Henshin Cyborg, Magnemo, Microman (including Microchange), and Diaclone. All these toy lines predate Transformers. The last two toy lines were the primary source of toy designs for the original TF line from 1984-1985, and even 1986 (e.g., Ultra Magnus). Scattered throughout the book's pages are illustrations showing design art for various Takara toys from those toy lines, along with concept art of toys that were never produced...such as the Planet-Robot drawn by Mr. Hataike.

::''You people are contradicting George Dunsay who said that TAKARA is not involved in the design of the transforming planet, which proved that Mr. Dery is the originator of the transforming planet Unicron.''

:It's likely Mr. Dery did design Unicron. That does NOT mean he created the idea of a transforming planet. There is a distinct difference.

::''You people proved nothing, in fact you have shown that your articles are just SPECULATIONS and MISINFORMATIONS to twist the truth. Why?''

:The articles here have provided more visual proof than you have, and argued their case better. Regardless of how people have responded to you personally, the articles themselves present their material quite well. Of course, your biggest gripe of "misinformation" seems to be that the articles claim Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron. They do not claim this. They suggest he did not create the idea of a transforming planet, which is something else entirely. As evidence to support this suggestion, they provide an image from a book about Takara toys that predate TFs.

::''For your information, I e-mailed the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, offering Mr. Dery that I will finance and publish his original colored Transformers designs as an art book. If Mr. Dery agrees, I will let you people know.''

:I think that would actually be a pretty cool project.

::''I am thinking of a book title that will drive you people crazy.''

:So you'd risk alienating part of your potential readership?

::''I posted here because you blocked my other IP address. I proved that all of you are wrong and confused, so you blocked my IP.''

:Your other IPs were blocked because posting from multiple IPs was cluttering the wiki and, in combination with your belligerent attitude, it made you look trollish. All you have to do is register for an account on the wiki; that would solve the problem neatly.

::''Pity, but no thanks for all your insults directed against me. But I am not surprise because, generally, those who cannot win the arguments usually use insults to silence their opponents''

:The same can be said for people who cannot win by stubbornly and angrily repeating unsupported claims, and so resort to condescension and self-righteousness when they find they've irritated others.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

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I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing? Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei? This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.

So, the Japanese book was published in 1999 and the Transformers movie came out in 1986, probably the transforming planet Unicron designs of Mr. Dery were done in 1985. That's a difference of almost 15 years.

Truly, you inadvertently proved that Mr. Dery was the originator of the transforming planet Unicron, Hiroyuki is just a copycat. Also, George Dunsay was right that Takara was not involved in the design of the transforming planet Unicron. You see, what matters is the DATE because the date is the LITMUS TEST.

I will e-mail your post here to the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, to let them know about these things.

Thank you very much, you also proved that all my posts here are right and your allegations are wrong.

- Charlie

:a book called the ark came out last year and it featured all of dery's animation models since the japanese book came out in 1999 and the book with dery's art came out in 2007 that means the japanese design predates dery's design by 8 years!

You forgot, the Transformers movie came out in 1986, the original series in 1984. Got you there!
- Charlie
:Diaclone ran from 1980-1985.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:Again, responding point by point:

::''I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing?''

:First, if you know Japanese so well, you should know that the Japanese artists' last names are Kohara and Hataike. Just a minor point, but it's been bothering me.

:Mr. Kohara's drawings are noticeably more complex than Mr. Dery's. Why do you call them simplified? You are starting this argument on a flawed premise.

::''Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei?''

:Mr. Kohara's art isn't simplified. Mr. Dery's is, for the purpose of being easier to animate. Why would assistants need to simplify it further? Why are you even talking about assistants here?

::''This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.''

:It shows no such thing. It's easy to see that Mr. Kohara's art is more detailed than Mr. Dery's. Why would he create more complex models for animation from Mr. Dery's simpler models, when the simpler models were needed for animation? Just because you personally think it would be silly for assistants to simplify Mr. Dery's drawings (and that's not even relevant), that doesn't prove anything about which artist drew designs first.

::''So, the Japanese book was published in 1999 and the Transformers movie came out in 1986, probably the transforming planet Unicron designs of Mr. Dery were done in 1985. That's a difference of almost 15 years.''

:And the book ''Transformers: The Ark'', which contains Mr. Dery's designs, came out last year, 8 years after ''Takara SF Land'', 21 years after the movie, and "probably" 22 years from Mr. Dery's designs. So what?

:And that's another point—"probably"? So you '''don't''' know for sure when those designs were done?

::''Truly, you inadvertently proved that Mr. Dery was the originator of the transforming planet Unicron, Hiroyuki is just a copycat.''

:Truly, I have proven no such thing. First, no one is arguing Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron, only that Mr. Hataike's art came before the Unicron design.

:Second, you keep SAYING Mr. Hataike's art came after Mr. Dery's, but your only "proof" of this is the lack of a date on Mr. Hataike's work. That isn't proof. It lends to speculation, yes, but it is NOT proof.

:Then, just above, you say Mr. Dery's designs were "probably" done in 1985. If the date is really the big litmus test, don't Mr. Dery's designs have a date on them? If they do, why are they only "probably" from 1985?

::''Also, George Dunsay was right that Takara was not involved in the design of the transforming planet Unicron. You see, what matters is the DATE because the date is the LITMUS TEST.''

:Why do you keep coming back to whether Mr. Dery designed Unicron? No one is saying he didn't design Unicron. We ARE saying he was not the first to design a transforming planet. Unicron was NOT the first transforming planet design in the world, that's all. The Planet-Robot design in the ''Takara SF Land'' book predates Unicron, but it is NOT Unicron. Mr. Dery designed Unicron.

:Even if we ignore that point, the date is '''A''' litmus test. It is not '''THE''' litmus test. No matter how often as you insist it is, that doesn't make it true. If you're basing your entire argument on the fact that there is no date on Mr. Hataike's work, then you have only a very weak basis. And if you're not even sure when Mr. Dery's designs were drawn, then your argument has NO basis.

::''I will e-mail your post here to the guy maintaining the website of Mr. Dery, to let them know about this things.''

:Go right ahead; the wiki and its Talk pages are already public, so Mr. Dery's web master is free to read them anyway. Frankly, I don't think telling him about these pages will make a difference, but there's no reason you shouldn't.

::''Thank you very much, you also proved that all my posts here are right and your allegations are wrong.''

:Without insult, I have shown you several times how your reasoning and arguments are flawed. I don't understand how you can believe you've won any argument, unless you are simply choosing to ignore what I and others here have been saying. I'll repeat my main points, just to be sure you're clear on them:

:*1. No one is saying Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron.

:*2. Just because Mr. Dery designed Unicron, that doesn't mean he was the first person to design a transforming planet.

:*3. There is a Planet-Robot image in the ''Takara SF-Land'' book, an entire book devoted to Takara toy designs that predated Transformers. While there is no date on that specific image, since it is in an entire book of designs that predate Transformers, it is not unreasonable to believe that the design also predates Transformers.

:*4. Just because Takara had a transforming planet design before Unicron's design, that doesn't mean Mr. Dery didn't design Unicron. It just means he wasn't the first to design a transforming planet.

:I hope this clears up the situation. You don't need to prove Mr. Dery designed Unicron. You have not proven Mr. Kohara or Mr. Hataike's work was copied or based on Mr. Dery's work. The date by itself is not enough, and absence of a date does not equal a date after Mr. Dery's work.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:33, 9 January 2008(UTC)

:: Doug, you should use less negative forms. "Charlie" doesn't seem to comprehend sentences that contain double negations and the likes. You yhould say it like this: "Mr. Dery designed Unicron. Nobody denies that." And so on.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

:''I know from your article here that Mr. Dery was the design supervisor of the original series. Assuming that he simplified the simplified drawings of Shohei, then what will his assistants be doing? Are these assistants be simplifying the simplified drawings of Mr. Dery from the simplified drawings of Shohei? This is foolish, isn't it? Marvel studio producer is not an idiot to allow such thing. This shows that Shohei was the one who copied Mr. Dery's cartoon designs.''
:As far as anyone knows, the character models that were made in Japan and simplified by Mr. Dery were the ones for the Transformers released in 1984. A number of those earlier, more complex models were actually used in the first two or three Marvel Transformer comics and the animated commercial for the original mini-series. Also, the models for the toys released in 1985 generally keep toy's proportions and have more toy-accurate weapons. The 1984 models are gennerally taller and thinner, especially when comparing Trailbreaker and Prowl/Bluestreak, and Starscream/Skywarp/Thunderckacker to Hoist, Smokescreen and Dirge/Ramjet/Thrust. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

::Just to make it clear, while wiping away the tears of laughter at "Charlie's" arguments, Kohara's models as originally drawn up were ''never'' animated. They were all cleaned up by Dery first. Megatron's design however was revised twice, so he actually has three models - Kohara's original, Dery's first revision that appeared in the early commercials and comics, and the final version that appeared everywhere else. Hopefully the more accurate we can make things the less Pity's (sic) we'll get! [[User:Jon T|Jon T]] 10:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I greatly enjoy this person. He is rich in entertainment. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:26, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Earlier Charlie asked about providing proof that [[Shohei Kohara]]'s models predated Dery's own. Here's proof, straight from an interview with Dery by [http://members.aol.com/tfencyc/interview_dery.html Zobovor]:
{{quote|What I do know is that the animation cartoon designs for the first season of the Transformers series came from Japan. I simplified it further and my assistants did the clean-up.|Floro Dery}}

There you have it, Charlie. Go away now.

: Ha ha ha. That's BRILLIANT. (Of course, now Charlie will claim that Zobovor retroactively edited the interview)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is a qoute from Mr. Dery's website http://hometown.aol.com/kuest144/transanimdes.html

"These are just a few of the numerous Transformers animation cartoon designs by Floro Dery. Initially, Dery used 3 rough designs from Korea or Japan and about 3 toy box arts which he redesigned, simplified, and changed for animation. The producer told him to discontinue the use of the toy box arts because of possible copyright violations, after which he based almost all of his designs on the toys. Nevertheless, it created a misconception for some and wrongly attributed Dery's designs to the artists of Takara, TOEI, Studio Ox, and Marvel Comics. The fact is that these studios used Dery's designs but didn't give him credit. Anyway, can you recognize the names of the following cartoon characters?"

I will believe more what Mr. Dery said. He was at the studio and you people were not.

The 3 designs were from Korea or Japan, Mr. Dery said? Probably from Korea because the producer was a Korean.

- Charlie
:So basically Dery is completely contradicting what he's said in Zobovor's interview. How can we believe anything he says if he says different things in different places? And why does he refer to himself in the third person? --[[User:64.229.54.158|64.229.54.158]] 04:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Ultra Magnus (G1)

2008-01-13T01:53:15Z

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{{disambig3|Ultra Magnus}}

:''Ultra Magnus is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Ultramagnusg1.jpg|300px|right|thumb|He can't deal with you now!]]

'''Ultra Magnus''' feels he is a soldier and nothing more. He very much prefers taking orders to giving them, and even avoids opportunities for higher responsibility. But when he is forced into those opportunities, he betrays his real talent for the job. He's strong, resolute, dependable, selfless, and courageous. Sadly, Ultra Magnus is the only Autobot who doesn't realize this.

Believing he is nothing but a soldier, Ultra Magnus is perfectly willing to sacrifice himself for the greater good if need be. He knows he's more powerful than the average Autobot, and will throw himself at larger threats accordingly. There is a special enmity between him and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] for this reason, for Galvatron may be the most deadly foe of all. (Also, Galvatron, given his mental state, probably doesn't approve of people he's had blown up getting back up afterward. This can be seen as a sore point for Magnus, too.)

He is possibly [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s brother.

:''Italian name'': '''Convoy'''<br>
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Ultramag'''

==Fiction==
===American animated continuity===

:''Voice actors: [[Robert Stack]], [[Jack Angel]] (English); [[Show Hayami]] (Japan)''

Serving as commander of [[Autobot City]], Ultra Magnus directed the Autobots’ counterattack when the city came under attack from [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and the [[Decepticon]]s in the year 2005. After directing [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] to transform the city into battle station mode, he and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] alerted the rest of the city’s occupants to the attack, but they were only able to hold the Decepticons off for so long. During the battle, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was mortally wounded, and, on his deathbed, passed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] on to Ultra Magnus. Despite his own misgivings, Magnus took possession of Matrix and became the new leader of the Autobots.

Magnus’s leadership did not get off to an easy start, when reports came in from the Autobots stationed of Cybertron’s moons of [[Unicron]], a monster planet that was in the process of consuming them. Magnus quickly arranged for the Autobots to head to Cybertron aboard two shuttles, but as they were preparing to depart, they were attacked by Decepticon forces led by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], the upgraded form of Megatron. The Autobots fled into space and were pursued by Galvatron’s troops, with Magnus’s shuttle eventually being shot down onto the [[Junkion (planet)|Planet of Junk]]. Facing Galvatron solo, Magnus attempted to open the Matrix, but the talisman did not respond, and Magnus was blown to pieces by the [[Sweep]]s. Thankfully, Ultra Magnus was soon repaired by the native [[Junkion]]s after they befriended the Autobots befriended. Magnus joined the other Autobots in the battle with Unicron on Cybertron and helped drive the last of the Decepticons from their home planet. In the course of the final battle with Unicron, the young Autobot [[Hot Rod]] opened the Matrix to destroy the planet-eater, becoming Rodimus Prime. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} Rodimus subsequently took over as [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] from Magnus, and Magnus returned to his much more comfortable role of soldier, operating as Rodimus’s [[second-in-command]], regularly giving advice to the inexperienced new leader and trying to draw him out from under the shadow of Optimus Prime.

[[Image:G1_FFODPart5_UltraMagnus_punch_Dirge.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"Death comes to he who cannot deal with me, Magnus." "Oh, fine, I'll deal with you, Dirge." "AAAAAHHHHH!"]]

When the [[Quintesson]]s attacked the first [[Galactic Olympics]], Ultra Magnus, [[Kup]] and [[Spike Witwicky]] were kidnapped and taken to [[Quintessa]], where they were found guilty in one of the Quintessons’ twisted trials. Dropped into the [[Sharkticon]] pit, they were quickly rescued by their fellow Autobots, but the whole team was then set adrift in space when the Quintessons blew up their planet in an attempt to destroy the Autobots. They eventually made it back to Cybertron, only for their homeworld itself to come under attack by a united Quintesson-Decepticon alliance. Ultra Magnus held off the attackers long enough for Rodimus and the others to make it to cover, dispatching [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Dirge]] before being faced with Galvatron, who took a few shots at him before decided he had more important things to deal with. When the Quintessons betrayed Galvatron in order to achieve the true goals, he turned on the aliens, and the invasion of Cybertron was repelled. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness}}

In the year 2006, Ultra Magnus, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Wreck-Gar]] and [[Marissa Faireborn]] were abducted by a Quintesson scientist, who intended to perform behavioural studies on them. When the scientist’s ship flew through a [[black hole]] into a negative universe, the captives were forced to team up to escape. Magnus and Cyclonus acknowledged their mutual, grudging respect for each other as warriors, but vowed that when they met again, it would be as enemies. {{storylink|The Killing Jar}} This proved true when Magnus had to save [[Wheelie]] and [[Daniel Witwicky]] from Cyclonus’s clutches after the two youths travelled the Autobot Records Asteroid in an attempt to discover the date of Magnus’s creation in order to throw him a birthday party. {{storylink|Surprise Party}}

Further adventures for Magnus in 2006 included planting the bomb that destroyed the planet [[Paradron]] {{storylink|Fight or Flee}}; a brief trip to the sorcerous other-dimensional realm of [[Menonia]] {{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}; another clash with Galvatron, who, at the height of his madness, was especially dedicated to Magnus’s destruction {{storylink|Webworld}}; and briefly experiencing life as a human when his mind was transferred into a [[synthoid]] body. {{storylink|Only Human}}

When the [[Hate Plague]] swept the universe, Ultra Magnus was one of the first infected, and was transformed into a raving maniac with a fixation on exterminating Rodimus Prime. Magnus pursued Rodimus through Autobot City, but was subdued by Wreck-Gar, only to wind up infecting the Junkion, who in turn infected Rodimus. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} Magnus, and the rest of the universe, were cured of the plague by the resurrected Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

In 2007, Ultra Magnus helped defend Autobot City from a massive Decepticon assault, which was actually a diversion for the theft of the key to the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]]. Subsequently, Magnus accompanied Optimus Prime on a shuttle to Cybertron. After Prime got the answers he needed from [[Vector Sigma]], he decided to go to [[Nebulos]] and left Ultra Magnus in charge of Cybertron. {{Storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Magnus's tenure didn't go very well, as the selfsame massive Decepticon assault force was attacking the planet. Nonetheless, he and the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]]s struck at Galvatron, and may well have done him in if [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s reinforcements hadn't arrived. Magnus then ignominiously had his [[power pack]] torn out and slowly began to die from lack of energon. Still, he was able to relay Galvatron's crazed scheme to Optimus Prime and the Autobot [[Headmaster]]s before blacking out.

When Ultra Magnus next awoke, the Golden Age of Cybertron had come anew, and the Decepticons were seemingly defeated once and for all. {{Storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

===Japanese animated continuity===
====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer'' manga====
Ultra Magnus arrived on Earth at some point during the late 20th century, bringing with him a collection of new technological advancements. Magnus came up with the idea of the global underground transport system, the [[Autobot Road]], and was appointed commander of the Autobots’ new [[Scramble City]] project to create a new mobile battle fortress. He made his first actual appearance in the middle of battle to deliver Optimus Prime his freshly-upgraded trailer, now equipped with the “Scramble Power Buster” cannon. After using the weapon on the Decepticons, Prime and Magnus teamed up to defeat them with their “Double Cross Kick” attack. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer issue 4}}

{{Note|The manga specifically notes that Optimus Prime looks upon Ultra Magnus as his "kid brother". Although the manga is a supplement to the TV series, this family-dynamic between the two characters was never used in the cartoon.}}

====''Scramble City''====
:''Voice actor: [[Banjō Ginga]]''

The Autobots’ Scramble City project continued under Magnus’s direction, concealed within a cavern base. Unfortunately, Decepticon spy [[Ratbat]] was able to penetrate the cavern and learn of the project, leading to a battle between [[combiner]]s from both factions as the Decepticons attempted to destroy the project. During the battle, Scramble City was completed and Magnus ordered it into battle, successfully winning the day. {{storylink|Scramble City}}

====''Binaltech''====
While Optimus Prime was fighting the Decepticons on Cybertron in the early days of the 21st century, Magnus was charged with the protection of the Earth, leading to the construction of the full-fledged Autobot City. After the time-travelling [[Ravage]] altered history by shunting the Decepticons out of time, the Autobots were left to face the threat of Unicron alone in 2005. Magnus left Earth to join Prime in battling the chaos-bringer, before which he dispatched [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] into the past to restore the timeline.

====''Kiss Players''====
{{Note|The events of ''Kiss Players'' take place between ''The Transformers: The Movie'' and the rest of the American animated series.}}

When [[Rodimus Prime]] defeated [[Galvatron]] within Unicron in the year 2005, he hurled the Decepticon leader into space, only for him to wind up crashing into Earth, devastating [[Tokyo]]. Consumed by guilt, Rodimus returned the Ultra Magnus.

For a year, Transformer/human relationship were so badly damaged that Cybertronians were entirely forced off of Earth by the [[Earth Defense Command]], but in 2007, the EDC dropped the [[anti-electron]] field shielding the planet, allowing Transformers to return. To try and improve human/Transformer public relations in this time of tentative stability, Ultra Magnus arranged the formation of a singing group made up of members of both species to tour the planet and promote good will and mutual understanding. With the help of [[Blaster]] as the group's producer, the "[[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]]" were born.

Magnus continued to serve as Autobot leader until Rodimus reclaimed the Matrix and resumed his post in 2010. {{storylink|Kiss Players (fiction)|Kiss Players}}

{{Note|The events of the American animated series occur in Japanese continuity as described above, except they take place in 2010, as opposed to 2006, and "The Rebirth" does not occur. The two manga described below occur concurrently with the events of the series.}}

====''The Transformer'' and ''Transformer Big War'' manga====
Ultra Magnus continued to serve as Autobot City Commander, and at one point welcoming a group of school children on a field trip to visit the city. {{storylink|The Transformer issue 3}} After the resurrection of Optimus Prime, Magnus continued in his duties on Earth, commanding Metroplex in battle against [[Trypticon]]. {{storylink|Transformer Big War issue 3}}

====''The Headmasters''====
:''Voice actor: [[Hōchū Ōtsuka|Yoshitada Ōtsuka]]''

Ultra Magnus continued in his role of Autobot City Commander on Earth throughout 2011, quickly establishing himself as a rival to the Decepticons’ Earth-based City Commander, [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come Out Of The Sky}} Magnus would regularly co-ordinate Autobot operations on the planet, including day-to-day energy gathering, the search for the Matrix {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}, investigation of falsified reports of new energy discovery, {{storylink|The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery}}, countermeasures to deal with a shadowy blackmailer {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}, the eruption of a volcano {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} and the attack of a carnivorous plant {{storylink|Head On!! Fortress Maximus}}.

After the Decepticons had spent a prolonged period of time in space, attacking other planets, they returned to Earth with even greater plans for the planet – Galvatron intended to incorporate it [[Grand Galvatron|into his system]], and Sixshot dedicated himself to wiping out the Autobot resistance. Unwilling to burden the already-occupied Autobot commander [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] with this news, Ultra Magnus co-ordinated the response on his own, but soon came under direct attack from Sixshot himself. Struggling against the six-changer, he was convinced by the [[Trainbot]]s to inform Fortress, but before any reinforcements could arrive, Sixshot used his secret seventh “Wingwolf” mode to deliver the killing blow to Ultra Magnus, ending the City Commander’s life.

After the Decepticons were routed, Metroplex requested that, rather than be fired into space, Magnus’s body be buried on the Earth he had loved so much. In accordance with these wishes, Magnus’s body was loaded into a funeral bier and then submerged in a cave on the Japanese coastline. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}}

====''Generation 2'' E-Hobby manga====
As he had briefly held the Matrix, Ultra Magnus joined the ranks of the other Autobot leaders whose sparks retained their individuality within the [[Allspark]], but he remained restless knowing that he didn’t belong. Using the cosmic awareness that accompanies joining the Matrix to observe the mortal realm, Ultra Magnus learned, by chance, of the threat posed to the galaxy by [[Galvatron II]] and his massive [[Warworld|Mobile Battle Fortress]]. Determined to set things right, Magnus contacted Optimus Prime via their shared link to the Matrix, and resurrected himself in a similar body using Prime’s [[Reconfiguration Matrix]]. Ultra Magnus immediately set out to counter Galvatron II’s invasion and started raising forces of his own. On at least one occasion Ultra Magnus was so thoroughly trounced by Galvatron and his endless puns that he required saving by Optimus Prime in his new [[Black Body]].

In this new form Ultra Magnus is able to switch between various body types (including his original) at will, similar to Optimus Prime, thanks to his contact with the Reconfiguration Matrix. In addition, he is able to tap into his [[Laser Core]] to power his blaster and sword.

===Ladybird books continuity===
Ultra Magnus came from Cybertron to take over leadership of the Autobots after Optimus Prime disappeared. He is opposed by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] as Decpticon leader and this is presented as a prolonged status quo rather than the rather brief version of this scenario presented in the animated continuity. Furthermore [[Spike Witwicky]] appears to still be a teenager at this point, making a setting date of 2005 unlikely.

Ultra Magnus functioning as Prime's successor for some time rather than being immediately replaced by [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] is presented in this and other [[Micro-continuity|micro-continuities]] based on the action figure line rather than the film.

===Marvel Comics UK continuity===
{{note|Ultra Magnus appeared only in the Marvel UK books. His sole appearance in a Marvel US book was in [[Transformers: The Movie (comic)|the three-part adaptation of The Transformers: The Movie]].}}

[[Image:MatrixCoconut1.jpg|250px|left|thumb|It is not generally known that, quite apart from Unicron and Galvatron, Clark Kent also sought the destruction of the Matrix.]]

The remaining Autobot elders spent years designing Ultra Magnus, a leader to lift the resistance out of a deep darkness. He was finally given life in or shortly before 1986<ref>Ultra Magnus profile in Marvel UK #83</ref> for [[Operation:Volcano]]. His role was to act as the crucial back-up needed for the [[Wreckers]] to successfully destroy their Decepticon targets and then escape in one piece. A serious complication arose when the Matrix Flame, the sacred and eternal blaze linked directly to the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] itself, suddenly extinguished. Fearing that something catastrophic had occurred on Earth to the Matrix and its bearer, Optimus Prime, Emirate Xaaron made the decision to send Ultra Magnus to that planet to investigate, even though Operation Volcano was unstoppably set to begin in ten cycles. Magnus traveled to Earth by way of [[Space Bridge]], and found the Ark's crew engaged in a deadly conflict with three new, yet unspeakably powerful, Decepticon warriors just as their leaders Optimus Prime, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] vanished before their optic sensors. Initially concerned only with his investigation of Prime's sudden disappearance, Ultra Magnus ignored the plight of his fellow Autobots until he learned the two situations were linked; [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and his lieutenants were time-travelers from 2006, having employed a mass-substitution mechanism that sent the three Autobots into limbo in order to accommodate their presence at this point in the timeline. This connection was revealed to him by three Autobots from 2006, who had traveled back in time themselves in order to stop Galvatron. They had a plan; they had the means; all they needed was for Ultra Magnus to keep him busy for, oh...an hour or two.

Easier said than done.

Magnus's battle with Galvatron carried them out of the isolated wilderness and onto a human freeway system. It ended when Ultra Magnus threw a tanker truck full of fuel into the path of Galvatron's particle cannon. Galvatron walked away from the blast -- Magnus didn't. Still, the future Autobots succeeded in tricking Galvatron into returning to the future with his plan incomplete, and the timeline more-or-less preserved. Unfortunately, Magnus was out of time: Operation Volcano proceeded without him, with disastrous results. Only one Decepticon was taken out, and the Wreckers' leader Impactor was killed protecting Xaaron. {{Storylink|Target 2006}}

Ultra Magnus would not meet his counterpart, Optimus Prime, until Prime was inadvertently transported back to Cybertron in battle with Megatron. Hooking up with [[Straxus|Lord Straxus]] at [[Polyhex]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] quickly disseminated false information about a new Decepticon made over to look exactly like Optimus Prime, planning to infiltrate the Autobot forces. Having temporarily assumed control of the Wreckers until their new leader, [[Springer]], was ready for command, Ultra Magnus led them in hunting down the "impostor". This Prime's behavior led Magnus to be suspicious of his information and, after summoning Emirate Xaaron, confirmed his suspicions and welcomed the true Optimus Prime back to Cybertron. Prime wasted no time leading Magnus and the others on a series of successful raids and strike missions against Decepticon-controlled territory. When Optimus decided to return home to Earth, however, Ultra Magnus was caught up in the space bridge's energy discharge as well, arriving on Earth but some considerable distance away from where Prime materialized. Having been frustrated ever since Impactor's death, Magnus welcomed the "vacation" this trip to Earth would provide him, as he took his time trying to track down the Ark's location.

For months, Ultra Magnus enjoyed a peaceful life in the American forests and wilderness, alone with his thoughts. A sudden seismic disturbance brought him back to reality, though, and into contact with three human females whose vehicle had been overturned by the tremor. One in particular, Cindy, took quite a liking to Magnus. As they traveled together to explore a nearby volcano and its connection to the tremors, Magnus was forced back into combat thanks to the arrival of his old sparring partner, the future Decepticon known as Galvatron. Galvatron had constructed a magma siphon atop the volcano's peak, and planned to convert the raw power of a volcanic eruption into enough energy to transform him into a god. Ultra Magnus teamed up with several Autobots from the future, who were trying to bring Galvatron back with them to face justice. Once again, Magnus was used as a "distraction" (read: living punching bag) while the future Autobots set up their plan to override Galvatron's time-jump mechanism and send them all back where they came from. Despite Ultra Magnus successfully getting the slag beat out of him, the override proved unsuccessful, sending only the Autobots back to 2007 and leaving Magnus virtually alone to deal with the fighting-mad Galvatron. Barely managing to rally his courage, Ultra Magnus threw himself into combat with Galvatron one more time, keeping him busy until the volcano exploded, destroying the power siphon and encasing both warriors in molten lava.

Several months later, Ultra Magnus was dug out of the volcano by the [[Sparkabot|Sparkler Mini-Bots]]. They had been sent to Earth by Springer to monitor the volcano in case Galvatron ever got free. When Galvatron DID free himself several days earlier, though, they found themselves hopelessly outmatched, and hoped Magnus would have better luck. Sadly, the severe beatings Galvatron had routinely handed out to Ultra Magnus, combined with the final excruciating submergence in molten lava, had nearly unhinged the Autobot's mind, leaving him with a pathological fear of his tormentor. Confronted with Galvatron, Magnus would probably have gone fetal if that pose had any meaning for his people. As the Sparklers heroically tried to stand up to Galvatron anyway, Ultra Magnus saw his rescuers in grave danger and finally managed to push his fear aside and reclaim enough confidence to batter the Decepticon into a temporary retreat. {{Storylink|Salvage!}}

Having renewed his fighting spirit, Ultra Magnus arranged to return to Cybertron with his companions in order to report on Galvatron's activities and hopefully gather the Wreckers for a counter-offensive. Instead, they found the Autobot base in Kalis full of battle signs, and the entire surrounding city-state a virtual "ghost-town". After confronting a legion of robot zombies, the Autobots eventually learned that a crazed scientist named [[Flame (UK comic)|Flame]] was trying to re-engineer the entire planet as a giant spacecraft, setting off an unstable fusion reactor beneath the planet's surface as a power source. With the help of the Wreckers and the Decepticons [[Flywheels]] and [[Trypticon]], Ultra Magnus and his team managed to put an end to Flame's maniacal scheme.

Ultra Magnus and the Wreckers then began preparations to return to Earth and confront the threat of Galvatron, finally, once and for all, and then...*poof*. The Wreckers went to Earth alone, and Ultra Magnus was never seen nor heard from again.

{{note|Simon Furman did have a rematch plan for Magnus and Galvatron, "but the imminent change to black & white 5-page stories meant that Time Wars pretty much had to wrap up everything, (and with two Primes in the mix, Ultra Magnus kind of got sidelined)". <ref>[http://idwpublishing.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=42871#42871 IDW blog post]</ref>}}

===Fun Publications ''Classics'' Comic===
[[Image:Classics Ultramagnus Springer Grimlock comic.jpg|right|thumb|200px|God, you can't get away from the perverts anywhere can you?]]

Ultra Magnus commanded the crew of the ''[[Graviton (Classics)|Graviton]]'', coming to EArth on the hunt for [[Bug Bite]], one of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s soldiers. Tracking the treacherous mechanoid, they assaulted the ''Ark'', which Megatron was using as a base, and basically did nothing but show up in time to see Megatron take care of their quarry for them. The crew then left for space again, this time with Grimlock along for the ride. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] likes to call him "Little Prime". How professionally embarrassing.

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===Blackthorne Transformers In 3-D continuity===
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===PD Type mini-comics===
At one point, the [[Blackball]] was left in the safekeeping of Ultra Magnus. Galvatron, catching Magnus by surprise, managed to blow him up with a powerful energy blast from his fusion cannon. Recovering the Blackball, Galvatron began to gloat about his victory. That's when Magnus' body hurled his head at Galvatron like a bowling ball, causing the [[Emperor of Destruction]] to fall over like a set of pins and drop the Blackball. That's ''using your head'', Magnus! *sigh*

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Magnuslongshot.jpg|left|thumb|250px|And then Takara saw this and were all like, "Oh, crap, that's right, we can do redecos, can't we?"]]

After Prime's and Megatron disappeared during the first space bridge incident {{storylink|The Dark Ages, Part 1}}, Ultra Magnus retreated from prominence in the Autobot army. However he was eventually able to overcome his own fear and take a role of leadership. Together with [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], he was on the verge of ending the war when Megatron arrived and enslaved the plane with the [[Aerospace Extermination Squadron]]. Magnus was put to work in a slave mines. {{storylink|The War Within: The Age of Wrath}}

Years later, Ultra Magnus and Shockwave worked together to replenish their armies in the [[Little Iacon]] incident. Many of the [[Micromasters]] created resented Ultra Magnus for bringing him into their war. {{storylink|Micromasters (comic)}}

After [[Great Shutdown]], [[Ultra Magnus]] was reactivated and took the role of security officer under [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave's]] rule, even if he was dissatisfied working under a leader who clearly held his own agenda. After many, many delays, Ultra Magnus confronted Shockwave about the mastermind's plans - but Magnus was silenced by gun fire. He survived by discarding his armor. {{storylink|War and Peace}}

After Shockwave had been removed from power, Ultra Magnus was content to oversee operations on Cybertron while Prime spent ten issues getting repaired.

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===IDW comics continuity===
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Just before the war, Ultra Magnus (in Cybertronian cab robot mode) attended the funeral of [[Bumper]] and [[Fastback]]. Standing with him were [[Elita One]], [[Alpha Trion]], and a pre-Matrix version of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (who looks identical to Magnus other than being red and blue). {{storylink|Megatron Origin, Part 3}}

Countless years later, in the present day, although still a soldier, Magnus was an agent of the [[Tyrest Accord]]. Although never detailed, this Accord seems to be part of a greater [[Code of Interplanetary Conflict]], some form of treaty between Autobots, Decepticons and other alien races. As an enforcer of the Accord, Magnus hunts down any Transformers, Autobots or Decepticons alike, who illegally sell or distribute Cybertronian technology, handing them over to their superiors for prosecution.

One such violation saw Magnus pursue [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] to the planet [[Zull]]. After arresting the Combaticon, Magnus reluctantly released Swindle in exchange for the current whereabouts of an even greater offender: [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. Magnus had a personal grudge against Scorponok, who was the Autobot's polar opposite; while Magnus sets great stock in rules, Scorponok flouts them. Magnus followed Swindle's lead to the planet [[Nebulos]], but although he disrupted Scorponok's operations, the Decepticon was able to escape.

Later on, Magnus arrested Swindle for yet another violation, and once again, Swindle offered a deal, leaving Magnus to wonder whether it's necessary to break the rules to catch those who've been caught breaking them... {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}}

Ultra Magnus is set to reappear in Spotlight: Arcee, coming up against a rage-fuelled [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/script-wrap-14/]

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (1986, 2000, 2002)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-69'''
[[Image:Ultramagnusg1toy.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Honkimus Prime.]]

: Ultra Magnus is a [[redeco]] of the [[Diaclone]] Powered Convoy toy, which itself was a [[redeco]]ed Battle Convoy (pre-TF [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]) with a new trailer that combined with the cab robot to form a super robot. Whereas the original Japanese use was an upgrade to Convoy, Hasbro released him as a separate character and both the comic and the cartoon ignored the cab robot in favor of the super robot.

:Ultra Magnus transforms into a white Freightliner COE with a blue and red car-carrier trailer. He comes with a rifle that has two pegs that will fit into either the fist of the cab robot or fist of the super robot, and he also comes with two missile launchers that can plug into either the front of the trailer or the shoulders of the super robot. Additional accessories include the cab robot's fists, the super robot's fists, the super robot head, the super robot chestplate, and two crotchplates/trailer hitches.

:The original American toy was released in at least two versions -- one with [[rubber tires]] and paint on both heads, and a second with plastic tires and no paint on either head.

:Ultra Magnus was first reissued in Japan in 2000 with little to no changes. Two years later, Ultra Magnus was reissued as a Toys "R" Us exclusive in the United States in the first wave of the [[Commemorative Series]]; the American reissue's missiles were elongated to pass modern safety laws. Both reissues had rubber tires and the facial paint.

*'''Ultra Magnus Movie Preview version''' (2001)
: In the early stages of the development of the 1986 animated movie, several promotional clips for the movie were produced, including one depicting Ultra Magnus in the original Diaclone Powered Convoy color scheme. The Movie Preview toy was released in 2001 based on that brief (and premature) appearance, featuring a blue colored cab.

*'''Ultra Magnus Matrix Glow version''' (2001)
: With a yellow cab and a clear yellow trailer, Matrix Glow Ultra Magnus or Shining Magnus is intended to recall the moment in the animated movie, just before Optimus Prime dies, when the Matrix is passed to Ultra Magnus and he is bathed in its Matrixey yellow light. It was also released in 2001.

: This version is sometimes referred to by fans as "Urine Magnus", or slightly less-polite variations of the same.

===Generation 2===
* '''Laser Ultra Magnus''' (2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' ''' TRF-13-S'''

[[Image:G2_LaserUltraMagnus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Probably the only Magnus repaint of Prime we'll ever get who isn't just white.]]

: An [[e-Hobby]] exclusive, ''Generation 2'' Laser Ultra Magnus is a redeco of Laser Optimus Prime, transforming into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX extended-hood truck pulling a blue and white tanker trailer. He was packaged in the reissue Laser Optimus Prime's box, along with Prime's instructions, bio card and sticker sheet. Yes, the stickers that have "Optimus Prime" written on them.

:In robot mode the bottom of the truck became his familiar windowed chest based upon the original Optimus Prime toy (and the original Ultra Magnus's cab). His main gimmick was light up LED headlights, and a [[lightpipe]] in the bottom of his right fist, illuminated by an LED in his right forearm, that would illuminate his clear sword or his double-barreled rifle if they were used in that hand. All three LEDs were activated simultaneously by pressing the sunroof-like depression on the roof of the truck.

:The trailer unfolds to form a battle station bristling with many firing weapons. Primarily, it can fire an air-powered missile launcher, a ripple rocket launcher with 5 missiles that can be launched individually (this turret can also be mounted in Laser Magnus' hand) and a 'disc launcher', that fired several white plastic discs. This disc launcher is the only weapon that can be used in vehicle mode.

:This release uses the toolings that were modified for the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]] toy, and thus has smooth discs and a less pointy sword.

===Masterpiece===
* '''Ultra Magnus''' (2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-2'''

[[Image:Masterpiece_UltraMagnus_toy.jpg|left|thumb|He looks like this in ONE comic. ONE.]]

: ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus is a white redeco of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy (Optimus Prime) with all the same accessories, though some have been redecoed. Additionally, his box can be refolded into his classic trailer configuration, but doesn't hold up since it's, well, cardboard. He retains the Matrix, which he can indeed open. Damnit, open.

: As a Takara product, ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus was never released in the US, but was eventually released by Hasbro Australia in 2005 for their market as a Target-exclusive, retaining his Japanese packaging, with simple stickers stating a recommended age of 8+, as well as presenting Hasbro Australia's details and explaining what the product was.

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===Classics===
*'''Ultra Magnus vs Skywarp: Battle For Autobot City''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
[[Image:ClassicsUltraMagnus_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Arctic Camo Prime!]]

: A [[redeco]] of the Voyager class Optimus Prime, this release is part of the Target [[exclusive]] ''Battle for Autobot City'' set with [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. The final production toy has several major paint paint application differences compared to the toy depicted on the packaging, including the loss of all light blue paint (including his faceplate and crest, both replaced with silver, darker blue on his thighs. Also his red eyes are replaced with the light piping color (blue). Additionally, it seems the smokestacks/double-barreled gun was originally going to be cast or painted white instead of the final's black.

: Like Optimus Prime, the toy's gimmicks are in his weapons - his smokestacks fold together to become a double-barreled gun, and his aero fairing splits and unfolds to become a large shotgun-like blaster. The two weapons also combine into a double-barreled shoulder cannon.

===Titanium Series===
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)
[[Image:TitaniumHero_UltraMagnus.jpg|left|thumb|Oh, that's right, this Ultra Magnus guy had a trailer or something, didn't he?]]

: ''Titanium Cybertron Heroes'' Ultra Magnus is an all-new sculpt constructed mostly of die-cast metal. For the first time, Ultra Magnus's cab and trailer are one piece, rather than a [[partsformer]] like the ''Generation 1'' toy version. He transforms very similarly to the original toy, but the aforementioned truck cab now folds down into his back rather than detaching and reconnecting, with his head flipping out of the back of the cab.

: Ultra Magnus is armed with a white laser rifle and two shoulder-mounted non-firing rocket launchers. Unfortunately due to the robot mode-oriented design of this figure, as well as size limitations, the rear ramp is now part of his legs as detail and cannot fold down, nor is there access for vehicles to be transported, in any case.

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*'''Ultra Magnus''' (6-inch Cybertron Heroes, 2007)

: A [[redeco]] of the 6-inch War Within Optimus Prime. In white!

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* '''Ultra Magnus''' (Revoltech, 2007)
Ultra Magnus is, unsurprisingly, a redeco of a simultaneously-released Optimus Prime/Convoy figure. A non-transforming but ''highly'' articulate action figure, [[Revoltech]] Ultra Magnus uses the Revoltech "revolver joints" for maximum poseability. His sculpting is explicitly in the style of [[Pat Lee|Pat "serfdom" Lee]]'s interpretation of Prime.

Magnus comes with a Matrix and photon rifle accessories, as well as a few alternate hands. A unique extra "hand" is a single moulded piece of Ultra Magnus and Optimus Prime's hands clasped together diagonally, so that when attached to both the Prime and Magnus' respective wrists one can create a scene of the two Autobot leaders shakin' like homeys. Additionally, although Magnus comes preassembled with the standard black revolver joints that Prime has, his packaging includes a sheet of replacement white joints one can use to customise Magnus with less obrtusive matching white joints (although not enough joints of the right style are included to swap out all black joints to optimal effect).

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==Merchandise==
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection Figure, 2002)

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Heroes of Cybertron, 2003)

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Super Collection figure, 2003)

: "Movie preview" redeco of the Ultra Magnus PVC, based on the original toy's Diaclone colour scheme as seen in early trailers for the 1986 movie.

*'''Ultra Magnus''' (Hard Hero bust, 2004)

[[Image:Ultramagnushardhero.jpg|right|thumb|100px|UHN!]]

: The cold-cast porcelain bust of Ultra Magnus was the 13th in [[Hard Hero]]'s series of Transformers busts. It was designed from line art by [[Dan Khanna]].

*'''Ultra Magnus and Megatron''' (Robot Heroes PVC, 2007)

: This is a small, non-transforming SD figurine with limited articulation from the "Robot Heroes" line, in a two pack with G1 Megatron. He may be the sassiest bitch on Cybertron.

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==Trivia==
[[Image:DiacloneMagnusAnime1.jpg|left|thumb| "Do you guys think my hair would look better in blue?"]]

* It has been speculated by some fans that, in animated continuity, Ultra Magnus may have been created from Orion Pax's friend [[Dion]], the same way and at the same time Prime and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] were rebuilt by [[Alpha Trion]].
:''For further elaboration, see [[Dion#Who_is_Dion.3F|Who is Dion?]].''

* Ultra Magnus is Optimus Prime's brother in [[Dreamwave]] continuity, and possibly also in [[IDW]] continuity. Also, [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|a different Ultra Magnus]] is the brother of [[Optimus Prime (RID)|a different Optimus Prime]] in an [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|entirely unrelated continuity family]].

* In early promotional trailers/test footage for ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', Ultra Magnus can be seen in alternate [[Autobot City]] sequences in his toy's original ''[[Diaclone]]'' color scheme, indicating the final coloration may have been a late change to the toy. This footage has appeared in various ''Transformers'' DVDs over the years.

* On that note, The ''Diaclone'' toy that would become Magnus --called "Powered Convoy"-- came in a couple different varieties. Aside from the version that was eventually turned into "Movie Preview" Magnus, there was a "mech" version that used a lighter gray outer plastic and chromed the central body/lower ramps of the trailer unit. This "mech" version was also available in a multi-pack with a red version of the toy that would become [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], and the toy that would (20-ish years later) become [[Deep Cover]].

* The chest-plate for the large Magnus robot was originally a mini-jet for a single Diaclone pilot. The raised rectangle in the center is actually a mounting point for the large robot head, using the hole in the crest, which forms a booster engine and blasters for the craft. Because of this, the ''Diaclone'' version had wheels on its underside that were removed from the ''Transformers'' release.

* All versions of the ''Diaclone'' Powered Convoy toy came with a red "Powered Buggy" partner-robot that transformed from a futuristic buggy (with a space for a Diaclone pilot) to robot, which could also use the large rifle in either mode. Why this was excised from the ''Transformers'' incarnation is unknown. The Italian [[Trasformer]] (sic) line by [[GiG]], however, ''did'' release the vehicle as the "Super Buggy" on its own.

* The "[[Sport Label]]" subline from [[Takara]] features a Convoy (Optimus Prime) that transforms into a Nike sneaker. A [[redeco]] of this mold was done in white and aqua, giving it [[author intent|a very obvious]] Ultra Magnus vibe... but was marked as Convoy again. So, officially...
: (As an odd postscript to this tale of footwear-induced madness, although the promo pictures all showed the shoeformer as a white and navy blue sneaker that transforms into a white and aqua blue robot, the product actually released sported [''geddit?''] much darker colours for all the robot-mode parts, with a deep teal instead of aqua, and almost all the white replaced by an [[Neon|icky]] tan-cum-cream-cum-grey colour, including the head. Basically, the figure looks like the promo picture viewed through really dark sunglasses. Although this certainly doesn't make it look any more like Prime, you might argue that it looks a little less like Magnus. Sorta. Maybe. Not really.)

*In the [[Beast Era]] future, the [[Predacon]] [[Killer Punch]] (a bit of a paranoid conspiracy nut) believes that Ultra Magnus was secretly a Decepticon agent. This is, shall we say... unlikely.

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==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Ultra_Magnus Ultra Magnus' Universe profile at NTFA.net]

* [http://www.diaclone.net/orid/dia057/index.html Diaclone Powered Convoy at Diaclone.net (Japanese-language site)]

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