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2009-12-31T02:00:24Z

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== Desert Tracker Ratchet ==

Are we sure that's the Hasbro name for the Voyager? Takara also calls the EZ Collection toy that, whereas Hasbro call their Legends version simply "Autobot Ratchet". Likewise, Takara slaps "Autobot" in front of Breakaway and Knock Out and "Decepticon" in front of Rampage, none of whom need those modifiers in the Hasbro version.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:33, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

== Links ==

Is it just me or would it make more sense for links from this toyline page to take you to the toy in question? While generally it makes sense for a link to take you to the character; the focus of this page is the toys, so it would seem that those are what people want to see when they click on the links. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:03, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

== Walmart links ==

FYI: Walmart.com took down all those nice links. Oops. Also, were Ramjet and Skywarp officially announced? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:46, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
: I wish you hadn't put all those damn links in our pages to begin with! I removed what I could yesterday, but now the ones that remain are apparently dead. Listing when and where a toy was first "announced" is not a necessary thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:35, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::OK. I was blindly following someone's lead. I was just hoping they still count as officially announced even though it has been taken down. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:44, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I was the one who initially put all those citation links up, on the off-chance somebody would be all "HEY WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS IS OFFICIAL? BLARGH BLARGH" before I uploaded the official pics, because several of the new molds were first seen some time ago via leaks. Shows what I get for being thorough. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:13, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== Human Alliance ==

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but has hasbro actually confirmed the third human alliance set?
The fact that it was added by an unregistered user sent alarm bells ringing, and I'm certain I'd have heard about it if it were true.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 11:19, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:As I recall, Skids with Mikeala were listed on Amazon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:24, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

== Legends Devastator ==

Shouldn't we list this under the Japanese version for the time being? A Hasbro version hasn't been announced yet to my knowledge.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:28, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

== Whirl and Bludgeon ==

Aren't they Walmart exclusives? --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 13:57, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

== Leader Starscream ==

Is this official at all? I believe it's just fan speculation, not official words from Hasbro. [[Special:Contributions/68.148.133.58|68.148.133.58]] 21:09, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Nevermind... looks like there is.. [[Special:Contributions/68.148.133.58|68.148.133.58]] 22:00, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

:Usually when an established member of this wiki adds something to this list, it has been officially confirmed in some manner, usually by statement by the official parties or official images. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:35, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Toys only confirmed for Japan for the time being ==

Before, it was the Legends Constructicons. Now, it's Buster Optimus Prime.

I'm wondering if we should be really thorough and list them under "Currently only confirmed for Japan" until we see evidence to the contrary, or whether we should jump the gun and just assume that Hasbro will release them eventually. As the Constructicons example shows, that can be a little presumptuous, and the venue might turn out to be wrong. They were originally listed under "Legends", and then Hasbro said they will be a store exclusive.

Now, Buster Optimus Prime is slated by Takara for a higher price than the original ROTF Leader Prime. Either Hasbro will gut a lot of the accessories, or they will release him as an exclusive, or... Anyway, any of that is pure speculation, and I'd prefer to have the toy list reflect information that is actually known (i.e. "only confirmed for Japan"), not speculation.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:45, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

:Created a new section. EZ Devastator remains there until Hasbro's word on the matter is more than "We're looking into it". Also listing the exclusive black Soundwave there, so a Japan-only section might remain there under whatever name.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:22, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

== Thrust ==

Enough articles have appeared on sites like Seibertron.com showing that Thrust (Breakaway redeco) is coming. Can we add him to the list of Future Waves? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:147.140.233.16|147.140.233.16]] ([[User talk:147.140.233.16|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/147.140.233.16|contribs]]){{#if:13:09, July 21, 2009| 13:09, July 21, 2009|}}.
:Are these articles citing an official announcement or listings for the character appearing in stores computers?

:Or are they citing the appearance of stolen prototypes and packaging samples? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:17, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
::No, no offical announcments from Hasbro as far as I know. Just people's personal posts with pics of him in and out of package.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:24, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/images-and-review-of-revenge-of-the-fallen-thrust-168177/
:That is not official... But how about [http://www.toywizard.net/hasbro-transformers-2-toys-wave-3-4-5-and-6/ this]?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

== Tokyo Toy Fair Prime ==

What about the Voyager Prime exclusive to the 2009 Tokyo Toy Fair? Same as the US version but without the Chinese lettering? Shouldn't this be listed here as well?

== '''''ARGH!!!!!!''''' ==
WHAT IDIOT LOCKED THE PAGE!? I SAW VOAGER BLUDGEON , RECON IRONHIDE , AND THE ENTIER SEVENTH WAVE OF THE DELUXE CLASS , AND NOW I CAN'T EDIT THE FUCKING PAGE!!!!!! WHO DID THIS?! '''''WHO?!?!?!?!?!?''''' [[Special:Contributions/65.49.190.17|65.49.190.17]] 20:59, 30 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)

2009-12-31T01:59:09Z

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== Desert Tracker Ratchet ==

Are we sure that's the Hasbro name for the Voyager? Takara also calls the EZ Collection toy that, whereas Hasbro call their Legends version simply "Autobot Ratchet". Likewise, Takara slaps "Autobot" in front of Breakaway and Knock Out and "Decepticon" in front of Rampage, none of whom need those modifiers in the Hasbro version.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:33, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

== Links ==

Is it just me or would it make more sense for links from this toyline page to take you to the toy in question? While generally it makes sense for a link to take you to the character; the focus of this page is the toys, so it would seem that those are what people want to see when they click on the links. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:03, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

== Walmart links ==

FYI: Walmart.com took down all those nice links. Oops. Also, were Ramjet and Skywarp officially announced? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:46, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
: I wish you hadn't put all those damn links in our pages to begin with! I removed what I could yesterday, but now the ones that remain are apparently dead. Listing when and where a toy was first "announced" is not a necessary thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:35, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::OK. I was blindly following someone's lead. I was just hoping they still count as officially announced even though it has been taken down. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:44, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I was the one who initially put all those citation links up, on the off-chance somebody would be all "HEY WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS IS OFFICIAL? BLARGH BLARGH" before I uploaded the official pics, because several of the new molds were first seen some time ago via leaks. Shows what I get for being thorough. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:13, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== Human Alliance ==

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but has hasbro actually confirmed the third human alliance set?
The fact that it was added by an unregistered user sent alarm bells ringing, and I'm certain I'd have heard about it if it were true.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 11:19, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:As I recall, Skids with Mikeala were listed on Amazon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:24, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

== Legends Devastator ==

Shouldn't we list this under the Japanese version for the time being? A Hasbro version hasn't been announced yet to my knowledge.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:28, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

== Whirl and Bludgeon ==

Aren't they Walmart exclusives? --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 13:57, 29 May 2009 (EDT)

== Leader Starscream ==

Is this official at all? I believe it's just fan speculation, not official words from Hasbro. [[Special:Contributions/68.148.133.58|68.148.133.58]] 21:09, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Nevermind... looks like there is.. [[Special:Contributions/68.148.133.58|68.148.133.58]] 22:00, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

:Usually when an established member of this wiki adds something to this list, it has been officially confirmed in some manner, usually by statement by the official parties or official images. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:35, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

== Toys only confirmed for Japan for the time being ==

Before, it was the Legends Constructicons. Now, it's Buster Optimus Prime.

I'm wondering if we should be really thorough and list them under "Currently only confirmed for Japan" until we see evidence to the contrary, or whether we should jump the gun and just assume that Hasbro will release them eventually. As the Constructicons example shows, that can be a little presumptuous, and the venue might turn out to be wrong. They were originally listed under "Legends", and then Hasbro said they will be a store exclusive.

Now, Buster Optimus Prime is slated by Takara for a higher price than the original ROTF Leader Prime. Either Hasbro will gut a lot of the accessories, or they will release him as an exclusive, or... Anyway, any of that is pure speculation, and I'd prefer to have the toy list reflect information that is actually known (i.e. "only confirmed for Japan"), not speculation.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:45, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

:Created a new section. EZ Devastator remains there until Hasbro's word on the matter is more than "We're looking into it". Also listing the exclusive black Soundwave there, so a Japan-only section might remain there under whatever name.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:22, 25 July 2009 (EDT)

== Thrust ==

Enough articles have appeared on sites like Seibertron.com showing that Thrust (Breakaway redeco) is coming. Can we add him to the list of Future Waves? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:147.140.233.16|147.140.233.16]] ([[User talk:147.140.233.16|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/147.140.233.16|contribs]]){{#if:13:09, July 21, 2009| 13:09, July 21, 2009|}}.
:Are these articles citing an official announcement or listings for the character appearing in stores computers?

:Or are they citing the appearance of stolen prototypes and packaging samples? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:17, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
::No, no offical announcments from Hasbro as far as I know. Just people's personal posts with pics of him in and out of package.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:24, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/images-and-review-of-revenge-of-the-fallen-thrust-168177/
:That is not official... But how about [http://www.toywizard.net/hasbro-transformers-2-toys-wave-3-4-5-and-6/ this]?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

== Tokyo Toy Fair Prime ==

What about the Voyager Prime exclusive to the 2009 Tokyo Toy Fair? Same as the US version but without the Chinese lettering? Shouldn't this be listed here as well?

== '''''ARGH!!!!!!''''' ==
WHAT IDIOT LOCKED THE PAGE!? I SAW VOAGER BLUDGEON , RECON IRONHIDE , AND THE ENTIER SEVENTH WAVE OF THE DELUXE CLASS , AND NOW I CAN'T EDIT IT!!!!!! WHO DID THIS?! '''''WHO?!?!?!?!?!?''''' [[Special:Contributions/65.49.190.17|65.49.190.17]] 20:59, 30 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)

2009-12-31T01:58:19Z

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2009-11-30T06:50:40Z

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{{caption bastard}}

== FUCK YOU ==
FUCK YOU YOU DUMB SHIT!!

Legends Class (2005)

2009-11-13T21:14:39Z

65.49.190.17: learn to spell dumbass!!

{{disambig3|Legends}}
The '''Legends Class''' (originally known as '''Legends of Cybertron'''; see [[#Trivia|Trivia]] below), known as ''EZ Collection'' in Japan, is a sub-line of ''Transformers'' toys that are about 3 inches in height. All the original molds are based on toys/characters that are also available in other sizes, with less sculpted detail and often with different, simplified transformations. Unlike other [[Size class|size classes]], which are viewed as part of the respective toyline they've been released under and nothing else, the ''Legends'' toys have been continuously numbered as "series" across three subsequent toylines.

The ''Legends'' size class originally started out as a sub-set during the [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline]]'s run, featuring small, simple, easily affordable versions of some of the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|show's]] core cast. Released in waves of four, the toys were originally available in smaller "[[market six]]" chain stores like Meijers for around $3.99, although later waves were later also available at Toys "R" Us and Kmart. The molds were later [[Redeco|redecoed]] as ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' characters for the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' line.

The [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]] introduced a batch of entirely new molds, later expanded by various redecos of those molds, most of which were available as part of the ''Allspark Battles'' two-packs (which also introduced more new molds).

The [[Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]] features more redecos of the old ''Cybertron''-derived molds as ''Generation 1'' characters, coupled with new molds, which are thus far alternatively "Classic" toys based on ''Generation 1'' and ''[[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' characters and Legends-sized versions of ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' characters, which are released as part of the ''Universe'' rather than the [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|''Animated'' toyline]].

==''Cybertron''==
===Series 1 (Wave 1)===
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]

===Series 2 (Wave 2)===
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]]
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]

{{note|Waves 1 and 2 were only available at smaller retailers and specialty stores. Waves 3 (including carry-overs from wave 2) and 4 were also available at Toys"R"Us and Kmart.}}
===Series 3 (Wave 3)===
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (Cybertron Defense Red Alert body)
*[[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]
*[[Vector Prime]]

===Series 4 (Wave 4)===
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]] ([[Excellion]] deco)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Galaxy Force Optimus Prime deco)
*[[Sunstorm (LOC)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]

===US multi-packs===
*Legends 4-Pack (Target exclusive, unchanged [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]])

===US convention exclusives===
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] (San Diego Comic-Con 2005, free giveaway for attending Hasbro's showroom)
*[[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] ([[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] deco; [[BotCon 2005]], free giveaway for attending Hasbro's showroom)

===Japanese single pack releases (EZ Collection)===
*Galaxy Convoy (Optimus Prime)
*Master Megatron (Megatron)
*Starscream

{{note|These three toys sported more (and more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]]) paint details than the Hasbro versions (Galaxy Convoy was missing most of the Hasbro version's yellow paint). In a somewhat unique marketing move, they were packed in blister bubbles on cardbacks taken from the Hasbro versions (with the obligatory sticker sporting Japanese legal information on the back), but with new, Japanese-language name inserts for the blister bubble. They were not officially recognized as [[USA Edition|USA Editions]] by Takara.}}
===Japanese multi-packs and exclusives===
*GC-23 [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Megalo Convoy]] (Metroplex) with [[Mini-Con|Micron]] (Mini-Con) partner [[Drill Bit (Cybertron)|Horri-Bull]] (Drill Bit) and EZ Collection Galaxy Convoy (Optimus Prime; metallic version) bonus figure
*Gold [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Megalo Convoy]] (Metroplex) with gold [[Mini-Con|Micron]] (Mini-Con) partner [[Drill Bit (Cybertron)|Horri-Bull]] (Drill Bit) and EZ Collection Galaxy Convoy (Optimus Prime; gold version) bonus figure. Was a exclusive in a Japanese toy magazine.
*Galaxy Convoy, Master Megatron & Starscream three-pack (clear versions, exclusively available via mail order for buyers of ''TV Magazine'')
*Master Galvatron (Galvatron; free pack-in figure available with September 2005 edition of ''Dengeki Hobby Magazine'')

{{note|This toy once again sported more (and more show-accurate) paint details than the Hasbro version. It was available in a unique box that was essentially a modified, downsized version of the packaging for the larger GD-01 Master Megatron (Takara's version of Cybertron Leader Class Megatron) toy.}}
==''Classics''==
===Series 5 (Wave 1)===
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (originally intended to be [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]])
*[[Lio Convoy|Leo Prime]]
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
*[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]

===Series 6 (Wave 2)===
{{note|This wave had even worse distribution than the early ''Cybertron'' waves and was only available at specialty stores and online retailers. They showed up in huge numbers at the Australian retail store Big W, for some reason.}}
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (originally intended to be [[Motormaster]])
*[[Whirl (G1)|Autobot Whirl]]

===Cybertron Collection===
{{note|These toys were re-releases of past ''Legends'' figures in unchanged decos and ''Classics''-style packaging; they were found at KB Toys, Kmart, Big Lots and Meijer stores in 2008, although it's possible they were already available in 2007 — nobody really seemed to care.}}
* Hot Shot (Legends of Cybertron)
* Leo Prime (Classics Legends)
* Optimus Prime (Legends of Cybertron)
* Soundwave (Legends of Cybertron)

==''Movie (2007)''==
===Series 7 (Wave 1)===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]

{{note|Initial shipments of this wave included a slightly off-color version of Autobot Ratchet. Later shipments included a more widespread "fixed" color version. Both color variants were available in the United States as well as on other markets, including Europe.}}
===Series 8 (Wave 2)===
*[[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]

===Series 9 (Wave 3)===
{{note|This wave once again saw limited distibution on the United States market (possible because retailers were discontinuing the ''Movie'' Legends Class single pack assortment). The two toys saw a more widespread release on other markets, including Europe.}}
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]

===Series 9 (Wave 4)===
{{note|These toys were only released as single packs in Europe and Australasia; elsewhere, they were only released as part of ''Allspark Battles'' two-packs. Oddly, they were still labeled as "Series 9", the same number previously used for the Starscream/Blackout wave (also on the "international"/European packaging).}}
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Battle Jazz]]
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Recon Barricade]]

===Allspark Battles===
'''Wave 1'''

*Autobot Jazz vs. Bonecrusher
*Rescue Ratchet vs. [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]
*Cliffjumper vs. Recon Barricade

'''Wave 2'''

*Ironhide vs. Desert Blackout
*Nightwatch Optimus Prime vs. Stealth Starscream

'''Wave 3'''

*Bumblebee vs. [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*Battle Jazz vs. Ice Megatron

===US exclusive multi-packs===
*Generations Legends (exclusively available at Target stores) - Optimus Prime (Movie), Optimus Prime (Cybertron), Megatron (Movie), Megatron (Cybertron)
*Battle for the Allspark (exclusively available at Toys "R" Us stores) - Optimus Prime, Autobot Jazz, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream and Barricade
*Leader Class Optimus Prime with Legends Class Bumblebee & Autobot Jazz bonus figures (exclusively available at Costco stores)

{{note|None of the toys from these packs were changed as compared to their single releases.}}
===Regular Japanese releases (EZ Collection)===
*Optimus Prime
*Bumblebee
*Jazz
*Ratchet
*Megatron
*Barricade

{{note|These toys were distributed via TakaraTomy's subsidiary Subarudo. They were [[Blindpacking|blind-packed]] (but didn't include [[Shortpacking|shortpacked]] or [[Chase figure|chase figures]]), and unlike the ''Cybertron'' EZ Collection figures, they were identical to their Hasbro counterparts (Ratchet was only available as the less [[Show-accuracy|movie-accurate]] "off-color" variant). Ratchet and Jazz are also notable for not sporting the [[Trademark|"Autobot" prefixes]] the Hasbro versions (and the TakaraTomy versions of the larger [[Movie (toyline)|Movie toys]]) sported in front of their names.}}
===Japanese exclusives===
*Bumblebee (clear yellow "Scanning" version; free pack-in figure available with August 2007 edition of ''Hyper Hobby'' magazine)
*Bumblebee (metallic version; free pack-in figure available with the [[Transformers (2007)|movie]] DVD, exclusive to Tsutaya Records stores)

==''Animated''==
[[Hasbro Toy Shop]] had previously listed a category for an ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' Legends series, but no figures were announced, and it has since been removed from the site. Instead, Legends-sized toys based on ''Animated'' characters were released as part of the [[Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' line]].

[[Image:AnimatedLegends.jpg|left|190px|thumb|]]
However, there were two Target [[exclusive]] three-packs released as part of the ''Animated'' line, each containing a redeco of a mass retail ''Animated'' Deluxe Class toy and two Legends Class figures, which were also released as single packs in the ''Universe'' line (see below). There is one slight difference in the ''Animated'' Prowl and Bumblebee in the packs than the ''Universe'' single releases. The Target Packs have silver Autobot symbols, while their ''Universe'' releases have the standard red with white backgrounds. Bumblebee, Optimus, and Starscream also have slightly darker paint jobs, with Bumblebee having a darker yellow and windows, and Starscream resembling Thundercracker. Optimus's blue is lighter than the ''Universe'' release.

{{-}}

===Target exclusive Deluxe bonus packs===
*[[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]] with [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Rescue Ratchet]] with [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]

==''Universe''==
===Wave 1===
* [[Onslaught (G1)|''Classic'' Onslaught]]
* [[Red Alert (G1)|''Classic'' Red Alert]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys|''Classic'' Starscream]]

===Wave 2===
* [[Jazz (G1)/toys|''Classic'' Autobot Jazz]]
* [[Hound (G1)|''Classic'' Autobot Hound]]
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|''Classic''/''Generation 2'' Megatron]]

===Wave 3===
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|''Animated'' Optimus Prime]]
* [[Prowl (Animated)|''Animated'' Prowl]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]]

===Wave 4===
* [[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]]
* [[Brawn (G1)|''G1'' Brawn]]
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|''G1'' Beachcomber]]
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|''G1'' Bumblebee]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Cosmos (G1)|''G1'' Autobot Cosmos]]
* [[Warpath (G1)|''G1'' Warpath]]
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|''G1'' Rodimus]]
* [[Wheelie (G1)|''G1'' Autobot Wheelie]]

===Target exclusive 5-packs===
* '''Aerial Rivals''' (Classic Series):

:* [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]]
:* [[Blades (G1)|Blades]]
:* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]]
:* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]

* '''Special Team Leaders''' (Classic Series):

:* [[Hot Spot (G1)|Autobot Hot Zone]]
:* [[Hun-Gurrr]]
:* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]
:* [[Scattershot|Scattorshot]]
:* [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]

===Henkei! Henkei!===
* C-18 Attack Team Minibots, contains:
:*[[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]]
:*[[Brawn (G1)|Gong]]
:*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]
* C-19 Spy Team Minibots, contains:
:*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]]
:*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]]
:*[[Cosmos (G1)|Adams]]
{{note| These feature more show-accurate paints jobs than their Hasbro counterparts. Cliffjumper is a repaint of G1 Bumblebee.}}

==Revenge of the Fallen==
===Wave 1===
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Springer (ROTF)|Autobot Springer]]
===Wave 2===
* [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]
===Wave 3===
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Enforcer Ironhide]]
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
* [[The Fallen]]
===Wave 4===
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
* [[Tankor (ROTF)|Tankor]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Recon Bumblebee]]

===Future waves===
{{comingsoontoy}}
* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]
* [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Power Up Optimus Prime]]
* [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] New Colors
* [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Autobot Wheelie]]
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]

===American Exclusives===
* "The Fury of Fearswoop"
Includes a deluxe repaint of [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] and "battle damage" redecos of Legends Mudflap and Sideswipe.

*"Straightway Shootout" includes [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (new paint), Swerve (repaint of Sideswipe), [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] (new paint), Runamuck (repaint of Movie 1 [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], and Sparkcrusher (repaint of Universe 2008 [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]].

*"War For the Skies"
Includes Autobot Blades(repaint of Springer), Jetfire(in G1 Colors), Thundercracker (repaint of Starscream), and Splinster (repaint of Blackout) as well as a excluive collector's card.

===Regular Japanese releases (EZ Collection)===
{{comingsoontoy}}
* EZ-01 [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* EZ-02 [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
* EZ-03 [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
* EZ-04 [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* EZ-05 [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]
* EZ-06 [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
* EZ-07 [[Ratchet (Movie)|Desert Tracker Ratchet]]
* EZ-08 [[Springer (ROTF)|Springer]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime (Battle Damage)]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron (Battle Damage)]]
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]]
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]
* [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]]
{{note|These toys are going to be [[Blindpacking|blind-packed]] and will presumably be identical to their Hasbro counterparts. Unlike his Hasbro counterpart, Springer doesn't sport an [[Trademark|"Autobot" prefix]] in front of his name. The battle damage versions of Optimus Prime and Megatron are only available in Japan.}}

===Regular Japanese releases (EZ Collection DX)===
{{comingsoontoy}}
* D1 [[Overload (ROTF)|Decepticon Overload]]
* D2 [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Decepticon Mixmaster]]
* D3 [[Rampage (ROTF)|Decepticon Rampage]]
* D4 [[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
* D5 [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
* D6 [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* D7 [[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
{{note|The Hasbro versions of these toys have been announced to be released as store exclusives. The Takara versions are going to be [[Blindpacking|blind-packed]] and will presumably be identical to their Hasbro counterparts. Rampage sports an [[Trademark|"Autobot" prefix]] in front of his name the Hasbro version presumably ''won't'' have.}}

===Japanese Exclusive===
* Deluxe [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] with EZ Collection [[The Fallen]]
* Deluxe [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] with EZ Collection [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
{{note|Both are Lawsons excluives. The Deluxe are the same as their American release, but the Legends sport new paint details.}}

*Clear version of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] that comes with the purchase of the Revenge of the Fallen DVD at Tatsuya. Those who pre order will also get a "Stealth" version of [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]].

==Trivia==
* During the ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toyline's run, there was some confusion as to the actual name of the price-point: It was variously solicited to online retailers as ''Cybertron All-Stars'' and ''Legends of Cybertron''. Online retailers even confirmed having received initial shipments alternatively sporting either name on the shipping cases, although later shipments exclusively sported the "Legends" name. The toys themselves, however, didn't sport ''any'' size-class-specific name on the packaging. Meanwhile, [[Hasbro]] originally listed the toys under the name ''Cybertron Micro Series'' on their [http://www.transformers.com/ official Transformers website], but later changed those listings to "Legends" as well. Later toylines that included toys of the same size class (including [[Redeco|redecos]] of the ''Cybertron''-derived molds) specifically used names such as ''Legends Class'' on the packaging, so that title seems to have won out. However, the "Cybertron" part of the name has never been used in an official capacity anywhere outside the ''Cybertron'' toyline.

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:''Brakedown is a [[Decepticon]] from the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portion of the [[Movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]].''

[[Image:ROTFtoy-BrakedownScout.jpg|right|thumb|350px|What are ''you'' looking at?

'''Brakedown'''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> job is to not be seen. He's a scout, not a warrior, and so he's built for speed and not conflict! Unfortunately, [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] has located him, so Brakedown just might find himself outclassed. Flee, Brakedown, flee!

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
*'''Brakedown''' (Scout Class, 2009)

:Brakedown is a new-mold Scout Class toy that converts from a white sports car to a white and blue robot. Like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]], he homages the ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]] [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]], though now in form, color, ''and'' name.
{{comingsoontoy}}

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One broken [[Megatron (BW)/toys#MegaTransmetal|Transmetal Megatron]], thanks to [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] (Someones toy '''''had to die''''' for this picture!) . Photo by [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]].

[[Category:Beast Wars toy images]]

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Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

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Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

Darksyde (BW)

2009-10-10T21:36:48Z

65.49.190.17: /* Beast Wars 10th Anniversary */

:''The ''Darksyde'' is a spaceship in the [[Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Darkside1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Welcome to the Darksyde. Your hostess will be serving you a choice of beverages and honey-roasted nuts.]]

The '''''Darksyde''''' (sometimes '''''Darkside''''') is the name of the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] vessel that [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s troops "borrowed" to get to [[Earth]] after he stole the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]. [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] named her, though [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] wanted to call her the "Buzzerbot". Megatron didn't care either way. After it crashed on prehistoric Earth, the Predacon [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] preferred to call the ship "the '''Colony'''", though just about everyone else referred to it as the '''Predacon Base'''.

Among the ship's features is an [[Predacon computer|onboard computer]].

{{note|In the Japanese dub, the Darksyde's computer AI was named [[NAVI]]-ko.}}

:''Japanese name:'' '''Terror Crusher''' (テラクラッシャー ''Tera Kurasshā'')<ref>Various Japanese guidebooks and [http://www18.tok2.com/home/jackhama/transformers/bwtcard_2/img/045.jpg Japanese trading card], but there could be several possible [[Romanization]]s, such as "Terra Crasher", referring to the fact that it crashes into Terra (''[Latin]'' Earth).</ref>

==Fiction==
====''Timelines: Dawn of Future's Past''====
{{stub}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
[[Image:Darksyde chase.jpg|left|180px|thumb|Note the space dart board behind it]]
Exiting [[Transwarp]], the ''Darksyde'' was immediately fired upon by the pursuing Maximal science vessel [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']], though the better armed Predacon ship quickly took the upper hand. Despite the urging of his [[Dinobot (BW)|first officer]] to destroy the ''Axalon'' when the Maximal's shields failed, Megatron arrogantly decided to merely toy with his opponents by slowing down the ship enough for the ''Axalon'' to catch up, then unleashing a broadside from the ''Darksyde'''s side guns, severely damaging the Maximal ship.

However, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] would not have long to gloat, as several well-aimed plasma cannon shots from the ''Axalon'' strafed the hull of the ''Darksyde'', crippling the ship. Soon afterwards, both ships crash-landed on the planet's surface. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)|Beast Wars (Part 1)}}

The crashed ''Darksyde'' became the Predacon base, their center of operations on Earth. The ship apparently crashed in a volcanically-active area, as the impact created lava-filled concentric cracks around it, and an upwelling of lava in the main control center. While it's arguably dangerous to have a control room where you can't walk across the floor without ''melting,'' it does look seriously badass.

The base contained a main control and monitoring center with a holographic projector; given the absence of a proper floor, hover platforms were commonly used by the Predacons to get around much of the base. The base also included [[CR Chamber|CR tanks]] capable of restoring severely damaged Predacons (or Maximals) to full functionality; a private suite used by Megatron, including a CR tank/hot tub; a lab area used by Tarantulas; holding cages suspended over the lava pits (keyed to Megatron's voice command); and a secure storage area which held the Predacons' remaining Transwarp cells. The grounds surrounding the base were laced with automatic weapons, programmed to scan for and target Maximal energy signatures.

[[Image:Darksyde sideguns.jpg|right|180px|thumb|How electrifying!]]
In addition to day-to-day Predacon operations, the base was the scene of several battles. The first involved a messy and destructive hunt for Cheetor, who accidentally teleported into the control room. {{storylink|Equal Measures|Equal Measures}} Another resulted from Megatron's attempt to reprogram Rhinox into a Predacon; the rogue Maximal very nearly brought Megatron down from power by taking out first his troops, then his kneecaps. Rhinox's comrades stormed the base to recover him, however. {{storylink|Dark Designs (episode)|Dark Designs}} The Maximals forced their way into the base a third time when Optimus Primal was infected with a rage-inducing virus; the berserk Maximal leader stormed through the Predacon base, taking out troops one after the next, until his comrades arrived to heal and retrieve him. {{storylink|Gorilla Warfare|Gorilla Warfare}}

The Maximals also managed to infiltrate the base more covertly on numerous occasions. When the Predacons managed to hack into Maximal communications, Rattrap went undercover as a turncoat. He escaped from one of the suspended prison cages and searched through the Predacon base till he found a Maximal codebreaker chip installed in one of its communication panels. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy|Double Jeopardy}} Rattrap entered on another occasion to install a spy camera and cable; when the Predacons discovered it, they faked their own destruction, drawing the Maximals into the abandoned base to salvage space drive parts. Optimus Primal noted that even abandoned, a Predacon ship was still a dangerous place. {{storylink|Victory (episode)|Victory}} Using Rattrap and Airazor as a distraction, Tigatron slipped into the base to search for information about the latest alien site to have revealed itself (though this turned out to have been exactly what Megatron wanted all along.) {{storylink|Before the Storm|Before the Storm}}

At least once, the base's lava pits proved to be a distinct liability. When the planet was hit by a quantum surge in the wake of the Planet Buster's destruction, Terrorsaur and Scorponok lost control of their hover platforms, collided, and tumbled off. The two sank into the lava and were never seen again. {{storylink|Aftermath|Aftermath}}

Tarantulas proved able to cut power to the base at will; he did so once with a magna pulse {{storylink|Spider's Game|Spider's Game}}, and again through unknown means when Ravage and the Maximals arrived to take Megatron prisoner. The base took considerable damage while under assault from Ravage's Transwarp cruiser. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)|The Agenda (Part 1)}}

After the destruction of the Maximal base, Megatron's troops stole the Sentinel shield module from the Maximals, and installed it in the Predacon base, providing it with a defensive energy shield. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard|Changing of the Guard}}

The battered vessel was finally destroyed by the [[Vok]] emissary [[Tigerhawk]]. {{storylink|Other Victories|Other Victories}}

==Crew==
[[Image:Darksyde wreck.jpg|right|180px|thumb|"Terra Crasher"]]
The original crew of the ''Darksyde'' included:

* Megatron - Captain/Commander
* [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] - Second-in-command.
* [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] - Engineer, later second-in-command after Dinobot turned on Megatron.
* [[Tarantulas]] - Weapons/Special Ops. Secretly a spy for the [[Tripredacus Council]].
* [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] - Fighter
* [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] - Pilot
{{-}}
==Toys==
===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
{{picsneeded|toy}}
* '''Megatron''' (2006)

: A small toy of the Darksyde was included with the ''Beast Wars'' Tenth Anniversary version of Megatron. The packaging calls it the ''' Predacon ship''', possibly due to trademark issues. (A typo on the packaging was corrected by a sticker.)

==Trivia==
* The name of the Predacon ship comes from fandom interpretation of [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]]'s line from the ''Beast Wars'' episode "[[Equal Measures]]," which welcomes [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] "to the dark side," upon Cheetor's arrival within the Predacon ship. Since there wasn't an established name for the ship at the time, some fans thought that Terrorsaur may have been speaking more than metaphorically. The name was used in the ''[[Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals| Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals]]'' video game, making the name official, and again years later in the booklet inside [[Kid Rhino]]'s ''Beast Wars'' season 1 DVD set. In the [[BotCon 2006]] exclusive toy box set and accompanying story, "Darksyde" was spelled with a "y" to avoid possible trademark problems. Despite the glee with which the name is joyfully batted around in the fandom, the show itself never specifically called it anything other than "the Predacon base" or "Predacon ship".

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Bases]]
[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Fandom]]
[[Category:Starships]]
[[Category:Timelines]]

Bludgeon (ROTF)

2009-10-10T04:01:51Z

65.49.190.17: /* Voyager Class toys */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Bludgeon}}
:''Bludgeon is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]].''

[[Image:ROTFBludgeonTRUArt.jpg|thumb|300px|Foolish Whirl! To a master of Metallikato, your moves are like- ''grhk'']]

'''Bludgeon''' is a martial-artist, loyal to the Decepticon cause. However when the prospect of engaging his rival, the [[Autobot]] [[Whirl (ROTF)|Whirl]], the larger battle is forgotten. Both are masters of [[Metallikato]], and seek to one day prove which is the master.

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Deluxe Class toys====
*'''Master of Metallikato''' (Figure Multi-pack 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Two blades
[[Image:RotF Bludgeon Master of Metallikato vs pack toy.jpg|thumb|300px|I'm just feeling a little ''naked'', alright?]]
:Bludgeon is a [[redeco]] of deluxe-class [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]]. The figure transforms into an [[wikipedia:MOWAG Piranha|Piranha wheeled armored personnel carrier]] in green and brown, armed with a M2 .50 cal machine gun and two other machine guns mounted extending out of the troop compartment. His [[Automorph Technology|Automorphing]] feature is activated during transformation by swinging his machine gun down, pushing it against a translucent purple panel, which simultaneously raises his shoulders, lowers his torso, raises his head and extends his stomach-mounted cannon all in one movement.

:The smaller machine gun weapons feature flip-out energy blades that can be held in his hands, mounted under his forearms or on any of the wheels. They can also connect together to form an undocumented but certainly intended double-bladed weapon; mounting this on his forearm wheels gives him an awesome spinning blade weapon.

:This figure was only available in the [[Toys"R"Us]] -[[exclusive]] Master of Metallikato battle pack with [[Whirl (ROTF)|Whirl]]. Also, this toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] by [[IDW Publishing]] as an upgraded form for [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Bludgeon/bludgeon.htm More information on Bludgeon at TFU.info]''

{{-}}

====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-BludgeonVoyager.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The most metal toy ever.]]
*'''Decepticon Bludgeon''' (Voyager, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' [[Wikipedia:Katana|Katana]], [[Wikipedia:Wakizashi|Wakizashi]]

:[[size class|Voyager class]] Bludgeon transforms from a green and orange Japanese [[Wikipedia:Type 90|Type 90]] tank into a skeletal samurai robot mode which homages the Generation 1 [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Pretender]] shell. Bludgeon features a sword which is made out of a portion of the barrel of the tank's main gun as well as a smaller dagger.
For some reason, it looks like its smiling.
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
[[Image:Figueroa Bludgeon concept art.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
* Bludgeon's color scheme was used as a disguise by Wreckage in [[IDW Publishing]]'s "[[Alliance issue 2]]" comic, before the identity of the toy as Bludgeon was publicly confirmed.
* According to the [[Hasbro]] panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Bludgeon lost his Metallikato battle with Whirl. Subsequently, he retreated to the jungle to become a better martial artist, which apparently also involved turning into a tank. Also at the same panel, Voyager class Bludgeon was said to be designed to fit in with the [[Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' "Classics"]] line.
* The origin of Voyager class Bludgeon is older than one may expect. Artist [[Don Figueroa]] submitted a concept for a [[Unicron Trilogy]] Bludgeon toy that looked ''very similar'' to the final product way back during the development of the ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' or ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toylines. Obviously, the concept wasn't put into production as a toy at the time, so Figueroa used it as inspiration for his [[IDW Publishing]] "[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]" [[Bludgeon (G1)#IDW comics continuity|rendition of Generation 1 Bludgeon.]] However, Hasbro evidently resurrected the concept for the ''Universe'' and then the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' lines. Figueroa notes that his contribution on this toy is very small, as his work on it ended when he submitted the concept to Hasbro way back when.

[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Martial artists]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Bludgeon (ROTF)

2009-10-10T03:05:05Z

65.49.190.17: /* Voyager Class toys */

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Bludgeon}}
:''Bludgeon is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]].''

[[Image:ROTFBludgeonTRUArt.jpg|thumb|300px|Foolish Whirl! To a master of Metallikato, your moves are like- ''grhk'']]

'''Bludgeon''' is a martial-artist, loyal to the Decepticon cause. However when the prospect of engaging his rival, the [[Autobot]] [[Whirl (ROTF)|Whirl]], the larger battle is forgotten. Both are masters of [[Metallikato]], and seek to one day prove which is the master.

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Deluxe Class toys====
*'''Master of Metallikato''' (Figure Multi-pack 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Two blades
[[Image:RotF Bludgeon Master of Metallikato vs pack toy.jpg|thumb|300px|I'm just feeling a little ''naked'', alright?]]
:Bludgeon is a [[redeco]] of deluxe-class [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]]. The figure transforms into an [[wikipedia:MOWAG Piranha|Piranha wheeled armored personnel carrier]] in green and brown, armed with a M2 .50 cal machine gun and two other machine guns mounted extending out of the troop compartment. His [[Automorph Technology|Automorphing]] feature is activated during transformation by swinging his machine gun down, pushing it against a translucent purple panel, which simultaneously raises his shoulders, lowers his torso, raises his head and extends his stomach-mounted cannon all in one movement.

:The smaller machine gun weapons feature flip-out energy blades that can be held in his hands, mounted under his forearms or on any of the wheels. They can also connect together to form an undocumented but certainly intended double-bladed weapon; mounting this on his forearm wheels gives him an awesome spinning blade weapon.

:This figure was only available in the [[Toys"R"Us]] -[[exclusive]] Master of Metallikato battle pack with [[Whirl (ROTF)|Whirl]]. Also, this toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] by [[IDW Publishing]] as an upgraded form for [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Bludgeon/bludgeon.htm More information on Bludgeon at TFU.info]''

{{-}}

====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:ROTFtoy-BludgeonVoyager.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The most metal toy ever.]]
*'''Decepticon Bludgeon''' (Voyager, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' [[Wikipedia:Katana|Katana]], [[Wikipedia:Wakizashi|Wakizashi]]

:[[size class|Voyager class]] Bludgeon transforms from a green and orange Japanese [[Wikipedia:Type 90|Type 90]] tank into a skeletal samurai robot mode which homages the Generation 1 [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Pretender]] shell. Bludgeon features a sword which is made out of a portion of the barrel of the tank's main gun as well as a smaller dagger.
For some reason it looks like it's smiling
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==Notes==
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* Bludgeon's color scheme was used as a disguise by Wreckage in [[IDW Publishing]]'s "[[Alliance issue 2]]" comic, before the identity of the toy as Bludgeon was publicly confirmed.
* According to the [[Hasbro]] panel at [[BotCon 2009]], Bludgeon lost his Metallikato battle with Whirl. Subsequently, he retreated to the jungle to become a better martial artist, which apparently also involved turning into a tank. Also at the same panel, Voyager class Bludgeon was said to be designed to fit in with the [[Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' "Classics"]] line.
* The origin of Voyager class Bludgeon is older than one may expect. Artist [[Don Figueroa]] submitted a concept for a [[Unicron Trilogy]] Bludgeon toy that looked ''very similar'' to the final product way back during the development of the ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' or ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toylines. Obviously, the concept wasn't put into production as a toy at the time, so Figueroa used it as inspiration for his [[IDW Publishing]] "[[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]]" [[Bludgeon (G1)#IDW comics continuity|rendition of Generation 1 Bludgeon.]] However, Hasbro evidently resurrected the concept for the ''Universe'' and then the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' lines. Figueroa notes that his contribution on this toy is very small, as his work on it ended when he submitted the concept to Hasbro way back when.

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