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65.60.213.194: /* Marvel + IDW? [citation needed] */ Don't need to put this everywhere.

==Organization==

It's good to see some summaries showing up, but I think we need to think about how to organize things. IMO, there should be a "main" article for every comic book series which includes an overview and a list of issues. Each issue of the comic will then have its own article.

That does, however, raise the question of how to name the pages for comic issues, especially the original comic where even using issue names may cause conflict between the US and UK editions. I think that issue names are a better way to go than issue numbers, at least.

I'm inclined to say that the UK comic should be treated as the "real" comic series because of its additional material. The US comic is a subset of it.

A page for a UK comic issue then, in my ideal world, would be named after the issue. Among other information near the top of the article, it would state whether that UK story appeared in a US issue or not, and if so, what issue (number and name).

A page for a US comic issue has two possibilities: If the issue name was also an issue name for the UK version, there simply is no separate page for the US issue. If the US issue name was not duplicated in the UK (and I don't even know if that ever happened) then the US issue article should just redirect to the appropriate UK issue which reprints the first part of that US issue.

This all just off the top of my head, and shouldn't be taken as authoritative or anything. Still, I am really big on the idea of organizing things in a systematic way, and I think that this would make things a lot easier. I would welcome comments from others.

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/07 - 7:24 pm PST) While I can see the reason for wanting to make the UK comic primary, and the US comic a subset, that would pretty much make it impossible for me to complete any more entries, as I have no idea where the breaks would come in the middle of the US stories, even assuming I consulted a chart telling me which UK issue lined up with which US story....

If someone would set up a template, I'm happy to make my existing entries match the template. As it is, I'm creating stuff from scratch. Seemed necessary with so little existing on the board already.... [[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 10:14 am PST) I've held off on making any further additions for the moment in hopes that someone else might come on with input. I certainly agree that a standardized organizational scheme would be helpful. I'm inclined at the moment to go ahead with my US entries, and let anyone who has the UK comics make their entries in the still-separate UK comics page. It would be a reasonably simple matter to link the appropriate UK issues to their US counterparts, but then I don't have to worry about incorporating UK continuity into the US line, since I don't have these issues.

Furthermore, while the UK continuity does ''mostly'' contain all of the US continuity, there are a few rather significant differences, such as the reason why Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.

For these reasons, I'm inclined to continue treating US continuity as separate from the UK continuity, and not as a subset. I am still open to other opinions, especially in regard to standardization.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

As I understand it, about 90% of the comic is identical between the versions (excluding the additional content for the UK comics). So it would be far simpler to just use the UK comics, and just mention any differences as they appear, when appropriate, within the article itself.

This is, of course, assuming I'm not mistaken, which I am quite often.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 19:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 4:56 pm PST) At the risk of sounding US-centric, I still think making the US entries a "sub-set" of the UK ones would cause more confusion than help. If someone can actually ''demonstrate'' how this would play out be actualy creating some entries that I could follow the pattern of, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

I don't think necessarily either need to be considered a sub-set; but over IRC, Jhi raised a few valid points. The headers for comic issue pages should give the US and UK issue numbers equal billing, especially if we're just going to have the UK issue list link to them. Individual articles should be about the story as it appears in ''both'' countries' issues. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

My thought was to give the original publisher primacy, and list other versions of the same story below. So "Man of Iron" would list the UK printing up top, but the US reissues below, for example.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==Main G1 comics==
It occurs to me that our current listing has one link for the G1 Marvel comics, but that the three separate DW comics (none of which have pages, it would seem) are given separate links. Either we should add the Marvel Headmasters, TFU, and the GI/Joe crossover (which was in the same continuity, even if it WAS later ignored) here, or we should consolidate the DW entries. The latter is my preference, but I'm wondering if that would create unforeseen problems elsewhere. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==UK "issue" pages==

(snipping a lot of stuff that's probably not of any further interest. People can get them back out with "history" if they disagree....)

I wonder if, especially for UK comics, we should change the links so that each UK issue links to a separate "issue" page, with the separate stories being linked as they currently are (all current comic pages are organized by story title). Besides the "back-up" features you mention, later UK TF comics often have TWO TF stories running concurrently, and the current system does not account for this well. But I'm not the best person to suggest an alternative. My expertise is in the US comic, which tended to have just one story per issue, and little else. The US comic even tended to break up story arcs into individual titles for each issue more often than not....

Shouldn't we have talked about merging the UK and US comics into one entry before actually doing it?....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Should we have? It's easily fixed if that's deemed not acceptable. The real big change here was making [[List of Generation 1 comics|Generation 1 (comic)]] be a disambiguation rather than blurb on the Marvel US comic, because that is most certainly ''not'' the only Generation 1 comic, and it's probably not even the one that most people would be interested in.
:I decided to just fold the content in that article into Marvel UK, because do we ''really'' need two seperate pages on the two Marvel comics? If we actually do get enough content to warrant two articles, it's easy enough to split the two. But like I said, the major change her isn't the merge, it's putting a proper disambiguation page at the G1 comic link.
:Apologies for the alleged "UK bias" in the little blurb. I've never actually read any significant part of either Marvel comic, and know next to nothing about either, so I can say that definitely was not intended. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:24, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not a big deal to have them merged, and the way it was done (leaving the US and UK sections separate within the same page) I can live with. I'm absolutely opposed to folding all the US stuff into the UK page, though, as I've said elsewhere. I do ''not'' see these two as the same entity, but rather as two distinct, yet often similar and occasionally overlapping, entities. I just would have liked to be aware of the change beforehand, is all.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I've written a bit more on the UK comic, trying to explain its format and its relationship with the US comic. I think I'm right in identifying the 'Perchance to Dream' storyline as the point where US and UK separate, but I can't remember when the original UK material dried up. Was it around #290? --[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 02:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I see it differently. I don't see the US and the UK as "separating," because I see them as ''already separate.'' They may look the same in many cases, but they're separate. This is borne out by the few, but significant, differences between them, such as how Bumblebee is turned into Goldbug. Clearly, there is room for differences of opinion on how individuals look at the canon, but the fact that there ARE these distinctions are part of why I oppose any attempt to force US stories ''into'' the UK continuity on this Wiki, which should essentially present the facts as they appear. (Incidentally, the way you describe the UK version in the actual article is fine with me)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Seperating the UK and US comics would give legitimate space to discuss the various special features the UK comic had which had no counterpart in the US comic. Things like the letters pages answered by Transformer characters, fact files (which, in the early days weren't straight reprints of Transformers: The Universe), back up strips, competitions, humourous strips (Robo Capers, Matt and the Cat, Combat Colin - some of which had directly Transformer-related content). Sorry, can't sign this comment as I'm just a visitor.

==How to deal with UK issues with multiple stories==
I'm still trying to figure out how to deal with the issues in the UK (especially around the late-200s) that have more than one story contained therein. The current set-up probably won't continue to work for these issues. How's this for an option?

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (lead stories):'''
|-
|| [[Kings of the Wild Frontier|#284]] | [[Kings of the Wild Frontier|#285]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#286]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#287]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#288]] | [[Deadly Obsession|#289]]
|}

{|style="margin:0 auto;padding:0 auto" align=center id=toc
!align=center bgcolor=#6699CC|'''Marvel UK issues (back-up stories):'''
|-
|| [[Assassins|#284]] | [[External Forces!|#285]] | [[The Lesser Evil|#286]] | [[Inside Story!|#287]] | [[Front Line!|#288]] | [[End of the Road! (UK)|#289]]
|}
Note that the back-up to UK #289 is a different "End of the Road" than US #80 (Which is actually entitled "The End of the Road," which may or may not seem significant.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
: Looks good to me. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 22:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

: Is there a way to get all information on a particular issue onto an entry for that issue? For instance, issue 213 will have a "US Story" link that refers to the relevant US strip (which will be identical for 214-216), a "UK Story" section that gives a full account of the UK strip (in this instance, I think it's Megatron's return to Cybertron with Ravage), and a "Back-up Story" section that gives a brief account of the back-up strip. I realise that the back-up stories in most cases aren't TF-related, but they were an integral part of the UK comic experience. I'll try to put an example entry together this week and you can see what you think.

: Incidentally, I take the point about the UK and US continuities not being the same. I'm not at all hung up on "canon" and am much more interested in detailing the things as stories. I just wanted to say that #255-60 is where the two parallel continuities go in completely and irreconcilably different directions. At some point I'd also like to write something about how Furman used his knowledge of what was happening in the US stories to foreshadow later events - the story 'Prey' and the return to Cybertron (UK #97-104) is a classic example, featuring both Optimus Prime's "death" and Megatron's madness.

: Now that I think about it, the letters page was often used as a vehicle for explaining how the US and UK stories fitted together. They should be an excellent resource for this sort of thing. When I've got access to the original issues again, I'll see what comes up.--[[User:Tribimat|Tribimat]] 00:22, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, my preference (other things being equal) would be to have the comics entries organized by issue number, but it was decided early on that it would be redundant to have separate pages for issues of the UK comic that were largely already duplicated on the US page for the similar story. (US stories tend to be 1-per-issue. This not often the case in the UK comic.) A compromise position was to make the pages story-specific, rather than issue-specific. This is working for now, but as I've already noted, appears as though it may be unwieldy as we look at UK issues in the future. I could do this issue-by-issue for the entire US series with no trouble at all, but I'm not arrogant enough to think that the US is the only, or even the "most correct," way of looking at it. I've argued fairly strongly for US comic integrity, but have tried to stop short of giving it "supremacy." It's just that the US comic is what I know. I know it fairly well. But I don't have the background to say much about the UK comic beyond what I know from the Internet.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:51, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've come across some issues of the UK comic that have two TF-related stories, but the "lead" story is just a reprint, while the "back-up" black-and-white story is new. (So far, I've only put links for #221-228 that fit this description) Under the rubric I proposed above, I've felt compelled to make the link in the main (i.e. "lead story") UK chart go to the reprinted story, while the new story is relegated to the "back-up" chart. This technically seems to work, but seems rather unsatisfying. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

:I've decided that it would be simpler to only put 2nd stories in the bottom grid in the cases where one of the two TF stories contained has not already been printed in the UK previously. This means that some "back up" black and whites are actually in the top grid, but since these tend to be the stories featured on the front cover (since the "main" color story is a reprint), that makes more sense, I think.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:49, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

==The UK Annuals==
Hi. I was just wondering if there should be a space on this page for the UK Annuals and if so what format it should take? There were a couple of annual stories that linked heavily into the main UK strip so it seems like something that is needed for the sake of completion.

As each annual contains several stories and there are only a few of them I was going to suggest a seperate table for each annual with links to individual stories. Does anyone have any opinions/guidance on this?--[[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:As nobody has comented on this I have added the annuals in. [[User:Omnisvalidus|Omnisvalidus]] 18:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

==Issue Numbers, Issue Titles==
This is a very useful page, what with having all the issues linked by number. Unfortunately, it's also a somewhat difficult page to find. Few if any of the individual issues link back to it. Instead, they link back to [[:Category:Marvel_US_issues]], which lo and behold doesn't list the issue numbers.

So if you're browsing along, and suddenly find yourself on, say, [[Trial by Fire!]], good luck finding the page about the next issue. Shouldn't the issue titles in the category also mention a number, and shouldn't there be a sequential listing that all the issues link back to?

OR OR OR, as Sipher just mentioned, there's a "Next issue/Previous issue" box floating around on a few issues' pages. That'd at least provide continuity if it got worked onto all the pages. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 07:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

=="Comic" or "Comics"? (also, upper or lower-case?)==
A recent revision was made to the Marvel G1 link so that it wouldn't have to "redirect" to the actual site. I agree with this, in principle. However, it highlights an inconsistency, as we now have links for [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]]. One or both of these should be changed to resemble the other. Do we go with the singular "comic" or the plural "comics"? (Also, capitalization should be consistent. I'm assuming that lower-case is preferred. Indeed, I'd suggest "comic" as the preferable form, since the title of this very page uses the lower-case singular form.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
: "Marvel Comics" is the name of the company, so that is why it is capitalized. Dreamwave's company title does not have "Comics" in it, so "comics" is added so we know what kind medium the fiction is. The difference in capitalization between the two is INTENTIONAL. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if I buy that explanation... Or, rather, even if you are literally sure it's intentional and aren't rationalizing a mistake, I don't think that explanation suffices. There is no need to specify the media type in the parenthetical. The two should match in structure, being either "Dreamwave" and "Marvel Comics" or "Dreamwave comic" and "Marvel Comics comic" (which sounds stupid). I'd also accept dropping the "Comics" part of Marvel's name since it's not really needed, and also that's not their name anymore anyway. That would give us "Dreamwave"/"Marvel" or "Dreamwave comic"/"Marvel comic". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
::::"rationalizing a mistake"? Dude, I go through pages and FIX the capitalization it so it's that way, for that reason. This is almost entirely in the fiction sections of all the articles, but specifying "comics" in some fashion after "Marvel" after "Generation 1" is crucial, as, well, you know, the cartoon was co-produced by Marvel. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::So, obviously its intentional. Still, I'd rather see something more consistent. It looks more and more like this particular convention exists only because it's never been noticed as being inconsistent before. By all means, point out "comic" in some fashion after "Marvel." But I still think that "comic" is more appropriate than "Comics", the fact (is it still a fact? Steve-o suggests it isn't anymore.) of Marvel's name being "Marvel Comics" notwithstanding.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Having [[Generation 1 (cartoon)]] and "Generation 1 (Marvel)" co-exists bothers me.
:::I vote for "Generation 1 (Marvel comic)" and "Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)".
:::There's probably 20 different articles that can be called "Generation 1 (somedisambig)". Just for comics we've had Marvel, Blackthorne, Benchpress (well, not really) 2 different manga publishers, Dreamwave, and IDW. And that's not even all G1 TF comics (Devil's Due's version of the TFU has a non-generic name that avoids it being chronicled under the generic 'Generation 1' label.)
:::Are there ''any'' other articles of this sort where we ''don't'' put the media type in the disambig? I think... in any franchise with more than 1 type of media, the media-type should be ''standard'' as part of the disambig.
:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

==Annual years and releases==

(I'm raising this here as there isn't a generic article for the annuals and it could affect all of them.)

It's my recollection that the annuals released 1985-1987 were always referenced as being the annual for the year of publication (e.g. issue #65, printed in 1986, has a caption referring to "this year's annual"), but from 1988 onwards the annuals are referred to as the next's years, even though the books themselves don't give specific dates (whereas other Marvel UK annuals for Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries released in 1988 all explicitly say they're the 1989 annual). This has led to quite a bit of confusion over the years as to which annual is which. [[Transformers Annual 1986#Items of Note]] currently states:

''This was the first annual, published for Christmas 1985. Due to the 1985 print date in the cover it is frequently mistakenly referred to as the 1985 annual, however annuals are always printed at the end of the year before.''

Whilst this is the main practice, is there any evidence it specifically applied to Marvel UK in 1985-1987?

Also most of the annuals state they were released in December, but I recall the announcements and adverts for them tended to be in the summer. Further to this the annual released in 1987 is explicitly followed up in stories printed that autumn (issues 135-138) which would have been awkward if the annual wasn't yet on sale. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 21:48, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:The annuals usually appeared in the shops in August or September, believe it or not, so the 1987 annual appeared before ''Grudge Match'' did, and only a few weeks after ''Fire on High'' (the story to which it concluded). What confuses the issue for a lot of people who were kids at the time is that traditionally they didn't get the annuals until Christmas, whilst the comics seemed to often assume that kids would rush out and get them the second they came out. As for which album came out in which year, going by the copyright date seems to be a fairly accurate way of doing it, as that refers to the year in which it was physically published.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 23:07, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

::I did post something on this somewhere but it's gone astray. Looking through the comics from the time, the annuals (including other Marvel UK output) released in 1986 and 1987 are usually explicitly named as that year's annual. The 1988 release, however, is ambiguous with either "this year's" or "the [Transformers] annual". The 1989-1991 annuals were described with the following year's date.
::Within the annuals themselves only the 1991 release identifies itself in the copyright info as being the "1992" annual. It's notable that the 1988 release doesn't give a year when the contemporary Action Force, Thundercats and Visionaries annuals all identify themselves as the 1989 annual.
::The early Marvel UK practice appears to be in contrast to the general UK trend in children's annuals which is to use the following year, since they are targetted at the Christmand market (and it also gives leftover stock a longer shelf-life). [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 11:20, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

==Somes changes to the UK section==

I adjusted the UK section with more accurate information on the comic's format changes, which were more complex than originally stated. Most notably, the comic returned to a fortnightly schedule from issue 309 onwards, which is also when they ditched the three-strip structure and returned to the 'classic' format of one Transformers story and one back-up strip. Since I still have almost the whole run of Transformers UK comics in fairly good condition (issues #24-#332), I might take a look at going through the UK comics and adding in any missing information. On the issue of how 'canon' the UK/USA intermingling of stories are, my assessment is that the combined UK/US run is the 'correct' one, given that the later Furman comics refer to events in the UK continuity (Deathbringer, Xaaron, the UK 'creation myth' which appeared many years before in the US etc), with a nod at the headache-inducing Goldbug-creation issue.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 21:58, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

==(Marvel Comics) vs. (Marvel comic)==
I think this parenthetical should change to "(Marvel comic)". It's always confusing to me when I'm linking here, since we don't say "[[Armada (Dreamwave comic)|(DW Productions)]]" or "[[Armada (Panini comic)|(Panini Comics)]]". - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:32, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Why not just (Marvel)? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:52, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::Unless you're suggesting a sitewide change, that would still have the inconsistency problem. '''Edit:''' And now that I've actually ''read'' all that discussion I just moved from [[Talk:List of Generation 1 comics|Talk:Generation 1 (comic)]]... it looks like everybody but Walky who put in a vote was agreeing on "(Marvel comic)", with some pretty firm reasoning. So based on that, I'm going to go ahead and move the article. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Again, why two words when one will do? What other "The Transformers" by Marvel are we distinguishing it from? The same goes for Dreamwave and anyone else. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:48, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::To clarify... "Dreamwave comic" is meant to distinguish it from "Panini comic" or whatever other ''Armada'' comics exist. But in that context, the "comic" becomes unnecessary and should be dropped completely. The ONLY viable argument for keeping it is that Dreamwave also did the mini-comics that came with the toys, but a (mini-comic) disambig should be enough to distinguish between the two.
:::The purposes of a diambig is to allow the co-existence of similarly-named pages, and to allow the reader to figure out which one they're looking for -- not to serve as a descriptor of the page's contents. I say we kill the "comic", across the board. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:56, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I see your logic, and the only counterpoint I can think of is that we ''have'' made concessions in our parentheticals for the sake of consistency within a small group. For instance, "Nightstick (Cyclonus)" used to be "Nightstick (Decepticon)", but part of [[Talk:Nightstick_(Cyclonus)#Move|the argument for moving it]] was that it didn't "fit" with [[Nightstick (Artfire)]] and [[Nightstick (Ricochet)]]. Likewise, the ''Shattered Glass'' pages used to be a hodgepodge of "(Shattered Glass)" and "(Timelines)" parentheticals, but they've since all been moved to the former for group-consistency, despite the valid logic that had made them different as individuals. And in this case, as Derik pointed out above, the disparity between [[The Transformers (cartoon)]] and "The Transformers (Marvel)" is kind of jarring. If we use the media in one, it seems fitting to use it in all. I admit that this is a judgement-call area, and I'm by no means steadfastly defending it. But if forced to choose between one or the other, I prefer keeping the media in. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:10, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.
:::::But regardless, it should be either The Transformers (Marvel) or The Transformers (comic). It makes sense just fine to me to first disambiguate by medium, then switch to by company only if a medium has more than one same-named series by more than one company. But using both medium ''and'' company in cases where either by itself would be sufficient is redundant and makes more work for editors.
:::::Alternatively we could think about switching to differentiating always by company if we really want to keep things consistent, since that seems like it would also produce only one word parentheticals most of the time, but I just don't see having both "cartoon" and "Marvel" as a problem really. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:23, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::''You know, we actually could move it to The Transformers (comic), since there's only one comic by that name.''
::::::That's so obvious, it never even occurred to me. It should absolutely be "The Transformers (comic)". Anyone disagree?
::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:57, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:G1_Vol.3_Issue0_1.jpg] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::The "Generation One" subtitle pretty handily wipes away that problem! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:29, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::[[The Transformers (Madman)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:17, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Ah, thank you. That actually brings up a good point: Nowhere in that article does it actually SAY it's a comic book. It even says "Cartoon continuity" (which is of course correct, but it still obscures the fact). It's not hard to intuit that it's printed material, but we should really be clearer than that. If we kept up the trend of including media-type in the parenthetical, then it wouldn't be a problem. But really, that isn't the parenthetical's job. What we need is maybe a standard addition to the infobox. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:As I'm going through *all* the Marvel comics, trying to clean them up, I'd appreciate it if the Jackass who moved the article could spend a bit of time fixing the millions of links too? Or should we hold off until there's another completely pointless page move? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 08:47, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::You DO realize we have a bot that's made just for fixing exactly this sort of thing, right? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 09:11, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Requests for moves can be put up at [[User:Deceptitran/Requests]]. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 09:18, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Well if I was the one moving pages for no apparent reason, the first thing I'd do is set the bot to fix the links. I can only assume that happened here...
:::...except it seems to have changed only the links to ''The Transformers'' (US) on each page. Most ''The Transformers'' (UK) links still point to [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] or [[The Transformers (Marvel Comics)]], either with or without the #Marvel UK rider. The whole thing's a clusterfuck right now and I was looking forward to basking in the gentle glow of victory, having uploaded the last of the Marvel UK covers last night. I just don't see the point of creating all the extra work for ourselves because someone is "confused" by the difference between (Marvel Comics) and (Marvel comic). --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 09:28, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:BotCon 2011

2011-06-07T14:14:29Z

65.60.213.194:

As we get more information about BotCon 2011, may I suggest that we move the "The invasion has begun..." part to a Notes section? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:51, 26 January 2011 (EST)
:Why? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:17, 26 January 2011 (EST)
::Precedence says we should move this sort of information [[BotCon 2009|to a "Run-up" section]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:38, 26 January 2011 (EST)

:::But what does '''precedent''' say? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:59, 26 January 2011 (EST)
::::He says we have to win the future. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:45, 27 January 2011 (EST)
:::::Precedence says ''we have to win the future '''first''', before worrying about the present.''
:::::Precedence's order-of-priorities is unprecedented. His would make a prescient President, though some might question the provenance of Precedence's birth records from Providence, Rhode Island. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:34, 27 January 2011 (EST)

== Issue #14??? ==

The Collectors Club magazine issue #14 (or atleast the one that's in the link) came out in 2007. Are you sure it wasn't issue #36, which recently came out? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:08, 27 January 2011 (EST)

== May? ==

Walky, surely those dates should be March, nu? [[User:JW|JW]] 22:04, 21 March 2011 (EDT)

== Sunti-Con? ==

I note that on the pages for the Stunticons, the box set is called "Sunti-Con". Should that not be "Stunti-Con", Interrobang? [[User:JW|JW]] 15:56, 24 March 2011 (EDT)
:D'oh. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:19, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

==Leaks==

Provided it keeps up for the next 8 days, we really need a note about how no toys outside the box set were leaked. Seems noteworthy to me. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 18:35, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
:I disagree with you, Terrortron. News of a convention toy being leaked is far more noteworthy that the lack thereof. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:03, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Not in BotCon's case, most recent years we've known pretty much every BotCon toy before BotCon even started. To have the only leaks be the figures that they officially revealed seems like nothing short of a miracle. - [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 13:15, 26 May 2011 (EDT)

==Jack Angel==
I'm pretty damn sure he was at Sunday's voice actor panel. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 10:14, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Rising Storm issue 4

2011-05-06T05:38:03Z

65.60.213.194: /* Errors */ Argh, English.

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|seriesissue=''[[Rising Storm]]'' #4
|prev=Rising Storm issue 3
|image=RisingStorm4 coverA.jpg
|caption=Give me your Movie TICKETS!
|title=
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[May 4]], [[2011]]
|coverdate=
|writer=[[John Barber]]
|art=[[Carlos Magno]]
|colors=[[Jesus Aburtov|Aburtov]] and [[Graphikslava]]
|letters=[[Shawn Lee]]
|editor=[[Andy Schmidt]]
|cover=[[Brian Rood]] Carlos Magno
|continuity=[[Live-action film series]]
}}

'''Get ready for ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]''!'''

==Synopsis==

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] (3)
*[[Brains]] (4)
*[[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] (5)
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] (8)
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] (9)
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (10)
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] (11)
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] (13)
*[[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]] (14)
*[[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] (16)
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] (17)
*[[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]] (19)
*[[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]] (23)
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] (25)
*[[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-1]] (30)

|c2=*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Hatchling]] (2)
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] (12)
*[[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]] (15)
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] (18)
*[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] (20)
*[[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]] (21)
*[[Rumble (ROTF)|Rumble]] (24)
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] (26)
*[[Ratbat (ROTF)|Ratbat]] (27)
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] (28)
*[[Beastbox (ROTF)|Beastbox]] (29)
*[[Astrotrain (DOTM)|Astrotrain]] (31)
*[[Depthcharge (ROTF)|Depthcharge]] (34)
*[[Tankor (ROTF)|Tankor]] (35)
*[[Buzzsaw (ROTF)|Buzzsaw]] (37)
*Unknown drill monster (38)

|c3=*[[Sam Witwicky]] (6)
*[[Carly Miller]] (7)
*Unnamed NEST soldiers (22)
*[[William Lennox]] (32)
*[[Robert Epps]] (33)
*Two unnamed humans (36)

}}

==Quotes==
==Errors==
*Like in issue 3, Elita-1's alternate mode is drawn like Chromia alternate mode.
*At the end of the issue, Arcee and Chromia are drawn with each other's bodies.
*Despite being killed in issue 2, Depthcharge appears again in this issue.

==Notes==
*Writer [[John Barber]] said that the explanation of why Shockwave doesn't resemble his movie design was going to be given in this issue.<ref>http://twitter.com/TheJohnBarber/status/60710221739339776</ref> which oddly doesn't happen, but Shockwave is indeed badly damaged by Optimus Prime.
*For the [[Transformers (2007)|third]] [[Cyber Missions|time]], Barricade disappears without any explanation of what happened to him.
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] and [[Chromia (ROTF)|Chromia]] are left alive at the end of the issue.
*The fate of multiple robots that arent appearing in the film (or havent been confirmed to appear at least) like [[Tankor (ROTF)|Tankor]], [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]] and few others are unknown

===Covers (2)===
*'''Cover A:''' Art by [[Brian Rood]] of Optimus Prime.
*'''Cover RI:''' Art by Carlos Magno, with colors by Aburtov and Graphikslava, of Optimus Prime fighting Bludgeon.

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2011-04-30T20:36:53Z

65.60.213.194: New page: I will make love to this page. --~~~~

I will make love to this page. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 16:36, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

Megatron (WFC)

2011-04-30T14:44:19Z

65.60.213.194: /* Prime cartoon */ Well then we should move it to the top, since that's where the first spoilers are.

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{{disambig3|Megatron}}
:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[Image:PrimeMegatron.jpg|thumb|250px|Lord of the [[Dark Energon]] wraiths.]]
The awesomely powerful '''Megatron''' is, in many ways, a fallen hero. He rose up from the oppressed lower working castes of [[Kaon]] to become a champion in the region's illegal [[gladiatorial combat|deathmatches]], cast aside his designation of '''D-16''' and took the legendary name '''[[The Fallen|Megatronus]]'''<ref>Megatron was an abbreviation, so it'd be easier for the masses to chant his name; ''Exodus'', Chapter 3</ref> as his own, he called for an end to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s decrepit [[caste system]] and told the downtrodden that freedom of self-determination was the right of all sentient beings!

But power corrupts and Megatron's Decepticon revolution, like many such movements, ended up becoming a whole new tyranny. Powerful, charismatic, violent, and full of rage for any who would stand in the way of his ambition and drive, Megatron brought Cybertron ''past'' the brink of destruction. Now he and his former brother-in-arms [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] fight on other worlds.

Megatron has been gone for three years, but now he's returned. He's brought the monstrous [[Dark Energon]] to Earth, and quite possibly left his sanity in space.

{{quote|I... am the Dominator, I... am the Destroyer, I am Megatron!|Megatron|''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron''===
Megatron nicknamed himself D-16 after the sector of the mine where he performed demolition operations. As a gladiator, in killing others he began to appreciate the value of life, and in between matches he became something of an intellectual, debating the castes with other miners. After bosses requested he lose a few fights, D-16 killed them and took over Kaon and [[Slaughter City]]. After murdering one boss in front of his employees, D-16 declared himself Megatronus, whom he considered the greatest of the [[Thirteen original Transformers|Thirteen]]. After hearing his preaching on the [[Communication Grid]] against the [[Guilds of Cybertron]], the concerned [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]] sent [[Bumper (WFC)|Bumper]] and [[Fastback (WFC)|Fastback]] to investigate. Megatronus killed them, believing two lives were worthless compared to the millions doomed by the castes Sentinel created.

After a victorious battle with the [[Insecticon (WFC)|Insecticon]]s, in which the crowd redubbed him Megatron, the gladiator was contacted by the [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]]ian [[Hall of Records|records monitor]] [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Orion Pax]], and they began exchanging their ideas in intense but friendly philosophical discussions. Megatron encouraged Orion to learn self defense and invited him to visit Kaon, which he did to a warm welcome from Megatron (and from none of his gladiators). By this point Megatron was planning to call his movement the Decepticons, and he had begun sending his followers on a search for artifacts of the Primes, as their discovery would be signs their cause was just. His followers began bombing Cybertron, and Megatron distanced himself from their extremism to gain credibility. Orion and his mentor [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] believed him, but the latter was well aware Megatron might have gained a taste for violence after the attention it earned him. Soon enough, Megatron accepted the gift of a kidnapped [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]] from [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]].

[[Image:WFCcomicDecepticons.jpg|thumb|300px|The High Council keeps us subjugated with overlong conversations! They must be overthrown!]]
Alpha Trion organized a hearing for Orion and Megatron with the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]]. They protested involvement in Sentinel's disappearance. When confronted with the phrase "Decepticon", Megatron denied any knowledge of it but accepted his followers' term wholeheartedly, stating deception was necessary sometimes for the corrupt to see the truth. When [[Halogen]] revealed Megatron's followers had been trying to locate the [[Matrix of Leadership]], he declared that Orion should become the Prime that he desperately wanted to lead Cybertron into the new [[Golden Age]], and find it. Incensed, Megatron killed Halogen, and when Optimus prevented the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] from attacking Megatron, the ungrateful gladiator declared Optimus had fallen into the trap of power the High Council had given him. He declared Optimus was no longer his brother (though he would continue to refer to him as such privately), and that the Matrix would be his.

In the subsequent war with Optimus' [[Autobot]]s, the Decepticons took control of eighty-five percent of the planet. Wherever Starscream's [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s aided, they were victorious. Megatron was initially merciful to neutrals, but he let Shockwave take control of [[Tarn]] and torture Autobot sympathizers there. When the [[Praxus|Praxians]], a progressive city-state who were disappointed with the direction Megatron took, allied with the Autobots, Megatron decided he would no longer try to convert followers and launched the first genocide of the war, slaughtering all in [[Nova Cronum]] who would not submit to the Decepticons as they attacked.

As the war dragged into a siege of Iacon, Soundwave's spying bore fruit as he discovered [[Dark Energon]], the essence of [[Unicron]], was aboard [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon]]. Megatron forgave Starscream for hiding its existence from him, acknowledging its potentially dangerous nature. To ensure loyalty, Megatron's gladiators stormed the Station slaughtering and maiming Starscream's scientists. He forced Starscream to pick two test subjects to be Darkened, and following an astonishingly successful result, Megatron absorbed some, invigorating him. Soon Darkened Decepticons appeared on the battlefield, but it proved to be an inefficient resource and they would have to flee if a battle was prolonged. Megatron needed more, and even Starscream's activation of the [[Geosynchronous Energon Bridge]] didn't provide enough. Megatron felt he would kill all the Decepticons before he was deprived of Dark Energon and turn rabid.

Fortunately, Soundwave revealed the existence of the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] within [[Teletraan-1]], which required the [[Code Key]]s of Power and Justice to activate it. Starscream recovered the Key of Power, while Megatron and his best soldiers searched for the Key of Justice below the [[High Council Tower]]. Sentinel Prime emerged, to Megatron's surprise. Sentinel confronted him about Bumper and Fastback, and the two dueled. Megatron disarmed and sliced open Sentinel, revealing the Key of Justice within. Starscream made a grab for it, exposing that he had released Sentinel to kill Megatron and take leadership for himself. After fighting Starscream to a standstill, Megatron pardoned him as he found him a better soldier than would-be example, and used the Keys to open Teletraan-1: which activated [[Omega Supreme (WFC)|Omega Supreme]] to fly the Chamber to safety.

The Seekers shot Omega Supreme out of the air, causing him to crash. Optimus's Autobots arrived to fight the Decepticons, but the more they killed them the more Dark Energon left their bodies and empowered Megatron. He was able to knee Omega Supreme and turn him on his back, tearing the Chamber out of his chest. Using the Chamber, Megatron poisoned the [[core]] of Cybertron and Darkened the entire planet. But then the core stopped producing Dark Energon, and Megatron learnt Optimus had gone to the core and received the Matrix. As the Autobots attempted to flee Cybertron via the last [[space bridge]], Megatron used Trypticon to fire on their ships, and used his and Orion's old frequency to criticize Optimus for fleeing. He added he never believed in individual freedom for every Cybertronian, only the illusion of freedom that he as leader would provide and that the Guilds did not. Optimus responded that Megatron had turned his soldiers into addicts and they would turn on him, and used the ''[[Eight Track (WFC)|Eight Track]]'' to board, sabotage and crash Trypticon.

As the Autobots left on the completed ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'', the Decepticons fully invaded Iacon. Megatron ordered Trypticon to transform into the ''Nemesis'', boarding it with Starscream, Soundwave, [[Lugnut (WFC)|Lugnut]] and other elite soldiers, leaving Shockwave in charge. He used his old frequency once again to warn Optimus that he would hound him through the stars and finally kill him for the Matrix. He explained they were still brothers, as they were bonded for life despite their enmity. Optimus was just glad his hunt would get him off Cybertron. The two ships entered the last [[space bridge]] together, and when the ''Ark'' emerged, the ''Nemesis'' was gone. ''{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}''

===''Exiles''===
{{comingsoon|unreleased|when=September 27, 2011}}
{{storylink|Exiles}}

===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor'': [[Frank Welker]] (English)
[[Image:DarknessRising2-Megsflashback.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Things were very red in those days.]]

{{spoiler|Sick Mind|May 7, 2011}}

At the beginning of the war on Cybertron, Optimus and Megatron were as close as brothers and fought side-by-side... but Megatron's ideals were corrupted by the war, and turned to evil. During the Great War, Megatron also developed the [[Cybonic plague]], which killed millions. {{storylink|Sick Mind}} He and Optimus fought many a battle, such as the [[Battle of Technar]] where Megatron ordered [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]] to assassinate Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Masters & Students}} After his failure, Megatron came to believe only he should finally terminate Prime. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}} He later disappeared into deep space. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}}

[[Image:DarknessRising2-MegatronDarkEnergon.jpg|right|thumb|300px|We can relate. We're just like this with our [[BotCon]] toys.]]
Upon returning three years later, Megatron revealed he had discovered an element called Dark Energon, rumoured to be "the blood of [[Unicron]]": rather than form a Decepticon army, Megatron had become obsessed with using this new element that was said to raise the dead. He asked Starscream if he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to test it, but settled on [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|the corpse of the Autobot Cliffjumper]] Starscream provided, and was pleased with the results, as the undead [[zombie]] ran amok on the [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s, killing two in succession. Megatron viewed this as a successful field test, so when the Cliffjumper zombie charged at him, he merely unsheathed his blade and cut it in two. While the Autobots were attacking an energon mine to retrieve Cliffjumper, Megatron was attempting to fathom a way to control the power of the Dark Energon. Upon learning of Optimus's presence in the mines, believing it was not yet time for a confrontation, Megatron ordered the mines blown and the [[Nemesis (Prime)|''Nemesis'']] to depart. He wasn't convinced, however, that Optimus had been killed, and once more began brooding on the Dark Energon.

Being a logical and sane chap, he decided the best way to control it would be to shove some of it ''into his spark''. His armor began to sizzle purple smoke, and his eyes glowed bright purple...{{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}} [[Image:darknessrising3_Megatronglowy.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Megatron, you fool! Rave glowsticks aren't candy!]] The "experiment" proved a success, and Megatron felt as though he was connected to Unicron's thoughts. It provided him with the knowledge he needed in order to put his plan into action. Leaving the ''Nemesis'', Megatron headed for the site of an ancient Cybertronian battle on Earth, full of the remains of fallen warriors. He arrived at the same time as Optimus and [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]], and after a brief session of goading them, used the Dark Energon fragment he was carrying to raise an army of [[Terrorcon (Prime)|Terrorcons]]. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

[[Image:DarknessRising4-Megatron.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I chew scenery while the zombies chew ''you''.]]
The Terrorcons were under Megatron's full control, by virtue of the Dark Energon he had infused himself with. He watched as the Terrorcons attacked the two Autobots and allowed himself a laugh as they disappeared under zombie piles. Optimus soon broke free, and continued to fight, eventually finishing off the last of the Terrorcons. As Optimus scaled the rock face to where Megatron was standing, the Decepticon leader gloated that this was merely the prelude to the main event, and flew off before Optimus reached him. Back at the Decepticon ship, he discovered that Starscream had been disobeying orders in his absence, resulting in damage to the ship that threatened to derail his plans. After smacking his subordinate around a bit, Starscream managed to quell Megatron's anger by claiming to have a way to get their plans back on course. Neither knew that the Autobots had found Megatron's space bridge plans and realized that he planned to raise a Terrorcon army on Cybertron and bring it to Earth. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

[[Image:DarknessRising5-Megatronsword.jpg|left|thumb|250px|He has to be careful when he wipes.]]
When the Autobots [[GroundBridge]]d to Megatron's space bridge, Megatron launched the Dark Energon to Cybertron, turning all of the dead Transformers there into Terrorcons. He then engaged Optimus Prime in battle and told Optimus he should flee like the other Autobots were. After he discovered that the Autobots were planning on blowing up the space bridge, he went after them, grievously wounding [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]], but not before the Autobot had turned the space bridge's power against itself. When the Autobots fled (for real this time) he awaited the arrival of his army, only for the space bridge to blow and seemingly destroy both the army of Terrorcons and Megatron. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

[[Image:Masters&Students-Megatronstasis.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Well, it's better than just [[Megatron (Animated)|being a head]] I suppose.]]
Through the power of Dark Energon, Megatron survived the explosion, but only barely. Starscream found him floating in space. He barely had the strength to grab Starscream, who ripped the sliver of Dark Energon from him in the hope he'd expire. When Soundwave's [[Deployer (Prime)|drone]] arrived to observe, Starscream was forced to take Megatron back to the ''Nemesis'', where he was placed in [[Stasis lock|stasis]] in the sick bay. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

While Starscream was content to allow Megatron to recover (or expire) on his own, the crew of the ''Nemesis'' was dissatisfied with his progress and took a vote to bring in outside help. As such, Starscream was forced to call [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] and [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] to facilitate repairs. However, the discovery of an [[Energon Harvester]] lead the Decepticons to put Megatron's recovery on hold. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}} Breakdown's repairs seemed to consist of removing Megatron's feeding tubes and giving his body a good buffing. Starscream approved, as it meant their ex-leader would look his best for the memorial service, as he felt that with the quality of Knock Out's medical care, Megatron was unlikely to survive. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

In order to find a cure for the [[cybonic plague]] afflicting Optimus, [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] was linked Megatron via a [[cortical psychic patch]], inserting the Autobot into the dream world of [[Kaon]] that Megatron's consciousness was occupying. Megatron was spending his time shooting imaginary Optimus Primes, but when he realized that he couldn't kill Bumblebee, he reasoned that the world he must be in a dream. He was able to get more information from Bumblebee, including the space bridge explosion and Optimus's problem. When Bumblebee pointed out that Megatron would much rather finish Optimus himself, Megatron offered to hand over the cure if the Autobot helped him escape his mental prison. Instead Bumblebee began to withdraw from the dream world as Ratchet had been watching and obtained the cure in the short time Megatron had displayed it. As the dream world dissolved Megatron managed to stow away and his mind ended up in Bumblebee's head. His body, meanwhile, briefly flatlined as a result of Arcee shooting his life support system, but the other Decepticons reconnected it, and his body lived on minus his mind. {{storylink|Sick Mind}}

{{-}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor'': [[Fred Tatasciore]] (English), [[Oliviero Corbetta]] (Italian)
[[Image:WFC_Megatron.jpg|thumb|350px|He wants the whole world in his hand.]]
During the early war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Megatron found reference to an energy source called [[Dark Energon]], which had impressive potential as a weapon, and became determined to claim it for himself. One of the few places it was made was in a station in orbit around Cybertron, guarded by a politically neutral force led by [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]. With this knowledge, he took a ship and launched an assault on the station.

The ship was badly damaged in the attack, and so he ordered [[Barricade (WFC)|Barricade]] and [[Brawl (WFC)| Brawl]], piloting it, to ram the station. He and many of his soldiers survived the impact and escaped the core's detonation. They were then confronted by Starscream, who informed them that they would not allow them to take what he had guarded for ten thousand years. After surviving a trap of sentry guns, Megatron, Barricade, and Brawl were reinforced by more of Megatron's troops, and set out on their way to find the station's Dark Energon stores and claim them for the war effort. They encountered significant resistance, but managed to shoot their way through, with directional aid from [[Soundwave (Prime)| Soundwave]]. Barricade noted that the station itself seemed quite primitive; Megatron noted it was very old, and that he intended to modernize it... At one point, the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] [[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] confronted Megatron nonviolently, asking him to give up his quest, as Dark Energon would result in only horror, death, and destruction, to which Megatron sneered, "You say that as if it were a bad thing."

Along their way to the Dark Energon, they found that a large portion of the station had been blasted clean off, the debris field traversable but sparse enough to allow easy viewing of Cybertron itself. Soundwave soon found records indicating that a small amount of Dark Energon lost containment and was the sole cause of the destruction, underscoring Megatron's desire for it. When Barricade asked how he expected to control it when no other had, Megatron said that such power was only for the strong, that he was the strongest, and not to question him again.

When they finally reached the storage chamber, and Megatron averted Starscream's destruction of it, he calmly entered into a container full of raw Dark Energon, while Starscream watched and gloated at his imminent destruction...only for him to walk out, not only unscathed, but crackling with power, which he further bestowed upon Barricade and Brawl. A single blast of Dark Energon was enough to destroy an entire company of station security forces, the last line of defense between Megatron and Starscream and his companions.

Jetfire again tried to warn Megatron about the dangers of Dark Energon, but Starscream interrupted, asking to join the Decepticon leader. Megatron asked what Starscream could offer that he could not simply take. Starscream revealed the station's supply of Dark Energon was almost spent, and he knew how to manufacture more—and as luck would have it, there was a dormant [[Energon Bridge]] which could be used to power it. Jetfire retreated to inform [[Sentinel Zeta Prime| Zeta Prime]]; Megatron let him go, seeming pleased by the notion of letting the Autobots tremble in advance of their actions, and sent Starscream, [[Thundercracker (WFC)| Thundercracker]], and [[Skywarp (WFC)| Skywarp]] to activate the bridge.

Megatron repeatedly mocked what he perceived as Starscream's slowness in his simple mission, but the Seeker did what he said he could. With a steady supply of Dark Energon, Megatron launched an attack on Iacon City, intending to take a device called the [[Omega Key]] and use it to enter the Core of Cybertron. This time, he took [[Breakdown (Prime)| Breakdown]] and Soundwave with him. The trio took the less-guarded way in—which, since the Autobots were not complete fools (as even Megatron would admit), still had significant military presence. During the attack, Starscream noted that Dark Energon was proving every bit as potent as Megatron had promised. Breakdown let Megatron know of his misgivings about the Sky Commander; Megatron admitted he was treacherous and untrustworthy, but he had useful talents, and his cunning and ambition was intriguing.

The Omega Key had been taken from its normal resting place, however, by Autobot leader Zeta Prime, and so Megatron took his squad on an assault on Zeta's headquarters. They met Brawl, leading an attack on the doors to Zeta Prime's armory, along the way. Even Megatron's touch of Dark Energon could not breach the vault doors, however, and so he called in bombers. When they were shot down, Brawl suggested they take out the Autobots' air defense guns, after which bombers were called in again; Megatron's troops then held off a massive assault from what seemed like the entire Autobot army while waiting for the bombing run to finally arrive.

After the vault doors were breached, they reached Zeta Prime himself, who had constructed several layers of security while he waited. An invincible energy field protected him, while he could drop portions of the ceiling with pistons to crush anything beneath them, and construct endless holographic clones of himself outfitted for melee combat, which Megatron personally found nauseating. However, his defenses were not without flaw: periodically, the power core would need to disperse waste heat, and Megatron's team survived long enough to destroy it during this stage. Zeta fell, buried under the wreckage of his own defenses, and Megatron took the device he'd carried...which started to make electronic chirping noises. Zeta, with black humor, noted that the device was not the Omega Key. It merely ''activated'' the Key, which would come to them...

Searching for the Key in the skies aboard another ship, Megatron, with Soundwave and Breakdown at the controls, were abruptly confronted by a massive ship, [[Omega Supreme (WFC)|Omega Supreme]]), who knocked them out of the sky, causing them to crash back in Iacon. There, they played a cat-and-mouse campaign in a desperate attempt to survive the enormous Autobot's vast firepower, though Soundwave noted that the weaponry they bore had little chance of penetrating Omega Supreme's armor. Megatron, for his part, at least contrived to appear unafraid, claiming that if it came to a real fight, the brute wouldn't stand a chance against Megatron's intellect. However, Omega's attacks drove them underground and left them unable to immediately transmit counter to Starscream, who declared Megatron dead and announced he was taking control. Even when they re-established contact, Starscream's aerial forces only briefly distracted Omega, who dispensed large numbers of troops, sucked up Decepticons with a tractor beam, fired weapons of mass destruction, and mined the roads Megatron and his squad were using.

Soundwave, however, had come up with a suggestion—there were weapons emplacements higher up that had the ability to damage Omega Supreme. Taking them from the Autobots was a battle in and of itself, but nothing compared to the fight against Omega Supreme, who could unload entire squadrons of Aerialbots. Nonetheless, Megatron's boldness and tactical acumen finally shot Omega Supreme out of the sky.
Gloating, Megatron found that the behemoth was still not defeated, and indeed was drawing power from Cybertron itself to repair his systems, making him stronger, if anything. However, by corrupting the energon batteries with which he was using to feed himself with Dark Energon charges, they were able to weaken him to the point where they could finally blast away his last defenses and brought him to heel. With Omega Supreme defeated, Megatron went underground, directly to the Core, and corrupted it with a massive infusion of Dark Energon, finally bringing Cybertron itself more completely under his control.

At this point, Megatron was clearly convinced, and for good reason, that he'd won, making propaganda broadcasts extolling his greatness and how he had taken away the Autobots' burdens of "liberty" and "choice". When Starscream was defeated and the Decagon retaken, however, he realized the Autobots were not yet going to roll over for him, and sent a distress signal from Zeta Prime, whom he had kept alive in the Kaon prison camp, in order to provoke a rescue attempt from the Autobots. His old acquaintance Optimus took the bait, and Megatron confronted him, telling him that the war could be over tomorrow if Optimus took the Autobots and left. Optimus refused, so Megatron consigned him and his team to the prisons. When they managed to stage a mass breakout, an enraged Megatron ordered his troops to prevent their escape at any cost, to the point of tearing apart portions of Kaon.

This was not enough, however, and they escaped, journeying to the Core, where they kickstarted the cleansing of Megatron's corruption. Doing so, however, would take the Core millions of years of shutdown, rendering Cybertron uninhabitable. Whether Megatron knew this or not, when he saw the Autobots leaving after Optimus's refusal of his earlier offer, he apparently took offense. His earlier plans of renovating Starscream's station had come to fruition; now, it mounted a powerful superweapon, capable of destroying entire structures in one shot. He had it fire upon the Autobot transports as they left. When a team of Aerialbots attempted to disable or destroy it, he called Jetfire, now one of them, and taunted him about his past. He further mocked them when they destroyed the plasma coolant system without apparently having accounted for backups. Finally, during the attack he came into possession of information on Optimus Prime's location, and ordered Trypticon—the name of the weapon, for it was actually a Cybertronian—to fire upon it.

Trypticon, however, was forced into his natural form and defeated after he crash-landed on Cybertron. Megatron's reaction to this went unrecorded. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}

===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (DS)===
Megatron was the Decepticon Leader during the final days of the Great War. After capturing an Autobot facility, and killing a cadet, Megatron revealed his plan to his troops. Megatron intended to conquer Trypticon Space Station, which had the means and power to manufacture Dark Energon: a variant of Energon which greatly increased the stamina and strength of its host. Megatron fought his way through the station to its commander, the Autobot Starscream. Upon Starscream's defeat, Starscream offered his services and the Dark Energon if he was spared. Megatron agreed, and Starscream joined the Decepticons.

After a test run of the Dark Energon in Kaon Prison, Soundwave deduced the element would only kill the host, but Starscream was able to find a way to fix it. Megatron then decided the time was right, and led his army to the inner levels of Cybertron. He was able to activate the uplink to channel energy from the Core of Cybertron itself to Trypticon Station, but he needed the Omega Key to access it once it was shut down with a firewall.

Megatron learned through a recording from Laserbeak that Autobot Leader Zeta Prime had the Omega Key in his possession and had holed up deep within Iacon. Megatron led a full-scale assault on the city, totally devastating Iacon, until he found Zeta Prime at last. After a hard battle, Zeta fell, and Megatron obtained the Omega Key. However, immediately upon taking it, alarms went off, and Iacon itself was shaking. Zeta Prime, despite being mortally wounded, laughed at Megatron's face, saying the Omega Key was only the key to the ''true'' key: the city-sized Autobot Omega Supreme.

Omega immediately attacked the victorious Decepticons, and quickly decimated their presence in Iacon, save for Megatron's team and a few others. By this point, Megatron was absolutely furious at Starscream: Megatron declared it was he who led them to Omega Supreme and the devastating onslaught he carried out. Starscream bitterly retorted even if Megatron killed him, Omega Supreme would still be out for his blood, helping nothing whatsoever. Megatron angrily let it go for the time being, and led his army to battle. His troops' confidence beginning to falter, Megatron declared they would either be kicking themselves for not acting for the rest of their lives, or heroes in a historic event. His men followed him to battle Omega, and the titan fell. Megatron was free to corrupt the Core of Cybertron with Dark Energon, and obtain near-supremacy of Cybertron.

That kind of went downhill when the new Autobot leader, Optimus Prime, extinguished the Dark Energon and destroyed Trypticon Space Station, didn't it?
{{Storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}

===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
:''Voice actor'': Fred Tatasciore (English), Oliviero Corbetta (Italian)

{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

==Toys==
===Generations===
[[Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianMegatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px| Fashionably asymmetrical.]]
*'''Cybertronian Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2010)
:*''Accessories'': clear purple missile, fusion cannon

: This toy is based on Megatron's appearance in the video game ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'', transforming into a Cybertronian self-propelled gun. The treads of his vehicle can be positioned in either a vertical configuration like a traditional tank or in a horizontal, hovertank configuration. Megatron's spring-loaded cannon can attach to either arm. He also has an insignia on his back, but unlike Optimus, his is not hidden by kibble. Like [[Soundwave (Prime)|''War for Cybertron'' Soundwave]], his head has a light-piping gimmick that has been neutered by his painted eyes.

: Some units of the figure have Megatron's left internal shoulder strut misassembled, preventing that side of the tank-mode from becoming properly flush to the body when transforming. This can be corrected by unscrewing and separating the outer shoulder structure, flipping the strut 180 degrees, and reassembling the shoulder covering.

: Also, the packaging image for his tank mode is flipped.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[United (toyline)|United]]'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Megatron Cybertron Mode]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/GenerationsMegatron/megatron.htm More information on Cybertronian Megatron at TFU.info]''

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===Prime===
[[Image:Primetoy-MegatronEP.jpg|right|thumb|300px|His jet mode needs a little scarf attached to the robot head.]]
*'''"Entertainment Pack"''' (5 figure gift set, 2011)
: A Deluxe-sized Megatron comes with a similarly-scaled [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] and PVC figurines of [[Miko Nakadai]], [[Jack Darby]] and [[Raf Esquivel]]. Megatron converts from his alien jet mode to his robot mode.
{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Notes==
[[Image:Tfprimemegatronjet.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Too fast for screen caps.]]
*Megatron's designation as an energon miner was "D-16".<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 War for Cybertron timeline].</ref> Megatron's original [[Japanese ID number list|Japanese ID number]] was "16". Takara would eventually change the numbering system using a "D" to denote [[Decepticon|Destrons]]. So Megatron's Japanese ID number could retroactively be considered "D-16".
*Optimus Prime's recollections in ''Darkness Rising'' have him and Megatron fighting side-by-side at the start of the Great War. This is the first time a Megatron has been involved in a Great War that he ''didn't'' start, never mind one where he used to be a goodie.
*At a video shown at the 2010 San Diego Comic-Con, Welker explained his ''Prime'' voice for Megatron would be mostly toned down from his G1 counterpart, to give the character more range.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/san-diego-comic-con-33/transformers-prime---peter-cullen--frank-welker-behind-the-scenes-170264/ Transformers Prime - Peter Cullen & Frank Welker Behind the Scenes] TFW2005</ref> When the show aired, Megatron indeed had a more quiet, sinister version of his voice than the iconic shouty one.
*In ''Transformers: War for Cybertron'', Megatron has multiple glitches when controlled by the computer, among them shrinking (quite hilariously), losing his Fusion Cannon, and having his Tank mode cannon stick straight up (also humorous). He may be the most glitchy character in the game.
*Like the [[Megatron (Movie)|Movie version]], this Megatron will retain an alien jet form as he despises human-created alternate modes.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/botcon-2010-transformers-prime-panel-coverage-170054/ BotCon 2010 Transformers Prime Panel Coverage]</ref> According to Cybertronian Megatron's packaging bio, Megatron often changes his altmode, probably in an attempt to explain why he's a tank in the game and a jet in the cartoon.
*Megatron's scars are difficult to distinguish from his sinewy "nose" lines, but they are most easy to spot on his lips during the final shot of "[[Darkness Rising, Part 1]]".

==References==
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[[Category: Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category: Generations]]
[[Category: Gladiators]]
[[Category: Hall of Fame]]
[[Category: Prime Decepticons]]
[[Category: War for Cybertron Decepticons]]

Talk:Starscream (Movie)/toys

2011-02-27T19:47:09Z

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I have a Christmas ornament with Starscream on it, it came with purple Decepticon and red Autobot symbol candy, it should be added.—[[User:TOM|TOM]]

== DOTM voyager (?) ==

Is this official? http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/targetss_1298733729.jpg --[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:44, 27 February 2011 (EST)
: If something looks like a stolen future toy, ''it is probably not something that this wiki is going to talk about just yet.'' Surely, SURELY you must realize this at some point, because I'm starting to feel like a broken record. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 14:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Talk:Martian emissary

2011-02-16T04:30:38Z

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So has the wiki reached an official conclusion on the Gaea = Earth thing then?

I mean-- it was a retcon, and it clashes with SO MUCH, but this is the second time Interrobang has removed reference which acknowledge the Gaea=Earth thing without fully commiting to it to replace them with 'it's Earth,' so did I miss a discussion while I was gone?
: Man, I dunno that it's really a retcon. In the cartoon itself, the ruined Tokyo Tower is seen, and the manga describes it as the third planet from its sun. But, yeah, everything going forward from Lio Convoy's RM bio to the 2007 timeline, has treated it as Earth. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:14, 15 February 2011 (EST)
::Uh, what? I didn't put "Gaea is Earth" in this article because it didn't seem like a relevant point to make in this particular article. What does the "retcon" (more like explicit confirmation) clash with? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:46, 15 February 2011 (EST)
:::You put "Gaea's neighboring planet is Mars", since apparently calling it mars-like with a link was insufficient. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:02, 15 February 2011 (EST)
::::Maybe because the "Mars-like planet" is Mars and not a "Mars-like planet"? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:07, 15 February 2011 (EST)
:::::But we see an orbital map of Gaea's solar system, and it clearly shows a planet whose orbit takes it well above the elliptic plane! Earth's solar system ''has'' no such planet! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:22, 15 February 2011 (EST)
::::::Does [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] apply here? If so, Mars got blown up in ''Headmasters'' which is in continuity with BWII. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:23, 15 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::Yeah, but it apparently got fixed in ''Victory''. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:30, 15 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::As we note on the Mars page, it's fixed in victory, and the Headmasters '''dub''' (of all places!) adds a line saying Fortress Maximus intends to 'fix Mars' when he leaves. (It's nonsense, but at least it's ''consistent'' nonsense!) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:32, 15 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::And in any case, couldn't any incongruity with the modern day solar system be explained away with "this is in the future"? If planets get blown up and rebuilt randomly, I don't think a planet with a weird orbit is really something that could discredit this as being the Earth. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 23:03, 15 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::''*sigh*'' No one recognizes a description of Pluto... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:20, 15 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I am shamed that no one else knows that Pluto has an irregular orbit. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 23:30, 15 February 2011 (EST)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2011-02-16T02:06:20Z

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Grapple (G1)

2011-01-28T17:57:42Z

65.60.213.194: /* Transformers (2010) */

{{Faction|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Autobot crane|the ex-Constructicon crane who looks exactly like him sometimes|Hauler}}
:''Grapple is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:GrappleG1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Elementary, my dear Hoist."]]
'''Grapple''' is technically an architect, but in his [[spark]] he is an artist. On [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], before the war, his buildings were considered great works of art, but now his constructions are limited by the realities and needs of the war effort. It is a situation he often finds stifling. Grapple takes great pride in any work he constructs, and is prone to severe bouts of depression should his "masterworks" be destroyed in the course of combat. Grapple can usually be found hanging out with his close friend [[Hoist (G1)| Hoist]] who does his best to cheer Grapple up when his artistic temperament has him down.

{{bigquote|Someday I want to build something that doesn't get trashed!|Grapple laments his creations' constant destruction|"[[Auto Berserk]]"}}

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Grappin'''
:''Hungarian name'': '''Csáklya'''
:''Italian name'': '''Gancio'''
:''Portugese name (Brazil comic):'' '''Chave'''
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comic):'' '''Lutador'''
:''Russian name:'' '''Granit''' ('''Гранит''', "Granite")

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Renaday]] (English), [[Kenyū Horiuchi]] (Japanese), [[Héctor Vieyra]] (Latin American)

Grapple was first seen on Earth hanging out inside the Ark on a typical day for the Autobots. This typical day including the discovery of a [[Dinobot Island (G1)|prehistoric island]] hidden inside a naturally-occurring time warp, and a rampage through the base by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. Yup...typical day. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}}

[[Image:Master builders1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|"Boy, I bet you we'll win top prize at the Autobot Science Fair this year! We'll beat [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]'s catapult-making machine any day!"]]

Grapple designed a [[Solar Power Tower]] to collect solar energy for the Autobots — even built a little model of it. When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] wouldn't let him build it, Grapple ran off to sulk and encountered the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], and naturally told them all about his awesome tower idea that got nixed because Prime didn't want the [[Decepticon]]s getting their hands on it. Brilliant.

[[Image:Master builders2.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Your invention has a practical application, so it was disqualified. Sorry."]]
They agreed to help Grapple and his buddy [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] out, but then [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] found out and decided to turn it into his latest evil plan. The Solar Power Tower was completed, but [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] trapped Grapple and Hoist inside it, and the Autobots had to show up to save their skidplates. {{storylink|The Master Builders}}

When the Autobots' favorite mad scientist, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], started showing off his latest super-weapon, Grapple begged him to please not point the [[Negavator]] at any of his buildings. It's like he didn't trust Wheeljack not to blow things up, or something. Inevitably, though, the Decepticons attacked and the beautiful bunker Grapple built to house the Negavator was reduced to rubble. While he worked in vehicle mode to clear away the debris, Grapple and the Autobots were caught napping by Megatron and his [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]. They had Prime and the others in their sights but, when [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] caused a distraction, Grapple dropped the rubble he was carrying on top of the Decepticons, sending them scattering for cover. {{storylink|Auto Berserk}}

[[Image:AutoBerserk-Grapple.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Usually, Grapple has special ointment to treat his blackheads.]]

Like most of the Autobots, Grapple showed up in [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]] for the first (and apparently last) Autobot Day celebration. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}}

After the Dinobots destroyed a sizeable portion of the airport battling Decepticons, Grapple and the Autobots lent a hand to repair what was damaged. After [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] reconstructed the walls of a building, Grapple was ready to add the ''piece de resistance'' by lowering the roof on top. His artistic pride took a serious blow when Grapple dropped the roof and collapsed the entire building underneath it. Mortified as he was, Grapple's mistake was only the first sign of [[cybertonium]] deficiency, which soon began to affect all the Autobots and their functions. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} He was later seen with Hoist, patching up [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] and a group of Autobots after they tangled with the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]]. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

[[Image:Primetargetbotsintraps.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Inquisition, what a show! The Inquisition, here we go!]]

Grapple was also one of several Autobots captured by [[Lord Chumley]]'s wildly-improbable traps; Grapple fell victim to a series of girders that magically fell into a cage configuration. Taken to Chumley's goofy-ass castle, he was used as bait to draw in Optimus Prime, "forced" to hold up a giant boulder—which did not seem to be actually ''supported'' by anything and therefore Grapple could have just dropped it or thrown it at one of the other devices keeping the Autobots prisoner.

Grapple's kind of stupid and too bad he didn't have Hoist to ge him out of his "sticky situation". {{storylink|Prime Target}}

After [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] located the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] at large, Prime and the Autobots moved to intercept the wild Decepticons. Grapple, Hoist and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] confronted [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] and [[Wildrider]] on a deserted stretch of highway. When Breakdown dropped a line of oil behind him, Grapple took the opportunity to ''light him on fire.'' Geez, Grapple...he didn't even destroy one of your buildings. Why the hate? {{storylink|Masquerade}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream ]] and the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] kidnapped [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], Optimus Prime and the Autobots went after them. Powerglide located the missing 'Bots at a power plant, and alerted his comrades. Grapple and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] freed the prisoners during the power struggle between Megatron and Starscream. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}

Alongside [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]]'s lower leg and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], Grapple valiantly defended [[Autobot City]] when it was [[Battle of Autobot City|attacked]] by Decepticons in the year 2005. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
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====Rodimus vs. Cyclonus====
Grapple escaped with [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] in a science vessel and was hiding out in the [[Rayzor Nebula]] when they were contacted by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. At his request, they came out of hiding. This drew the attention of [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and his [[Sweep]]s. When Scourge saw Cyclonus engaged with Kup's ship, Scourge attacked Cyclonus allowing all the Autobots to escape. {{storylink|Rodimus vs. Cyclonus}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Skidsgrapplesmokescreenhoisttracks.jpg|right|thumb|250px|He built [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] strong enough to survive at least one attack by [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]].]]
Prior to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] leaving Cybertron, Grapple (along with [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], Hoist and [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]) had his memories recorded onto crystals in case [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] required more warriors during the Ark's mission. Four million years following the Ark's crash on [[Earth]], Grapple and the others were revived in new bodies on Earth. While the other newly revived Autobots were sent out to learn more about their new home planet, Grapple was sidelined. Optimus Prime had a very special building project for Grapple. {{storylink|Rock and Roll-Out!}}

So Grapple built [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. On his own.

With Omega Supreme guarding the base, the Autobots were finally able to leave the Ark in great numbers. Grapple accompanied Optimus Prime and all the rest of the available Autobots to the Decepticons' coal strip mine base in
[[Wyoming]]. Here, Grapple fought the Decepticons long enough for [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] to steal combiner technology from [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. Once this was achieved, the Autobots retreated.
{{storylink|Command Performances!}}

[[Image:CommandPerformances-Autobotsattack.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Yeah! Charge that hill! That's what... engineers are for...]]

''When Optimus Prime, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] disappeared due to time-jumping Decepticons, Grapple found himself in the position of Autobot medic, repairing a damaged [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]. Led into battle with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] and his goons by the new leadership triumvirate of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], Grapple and his friends were sorely outmatched against the future Decepticons. Grapple was even part of a half-dozen or so Autobots who dogpiled on [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and barely managed to slow him down. In dire straits, the Autobots were actually forced to go to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and forge an alliance against Galvatron. Megatron's strategy managed to capture one of the time travellers, Scourge, but not before the fiendish tracker hurled a razor bladed dart straight through Grapple's chest, putting him out of action for the remainder of the conflict. Once Ratchet returned, he managed to piece Grapple back together soon enough. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}''

Grapple remained with the Ark's crew for quite some time, and was seen on the moon during the grudge match between [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. When the Decepticons attacked, Grapple engaged [[Wildrider]] in some gunplay. They appeared to exchange hits, but his fate is unknown. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
''In 2008, Grapple was operating out of one of the Autobot bases on Cybertron when Scourge and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] led the Decepticons into an all-out war on the base. (The base was a big honkin' mushroom in the middle of an empty field. One can only hope Grapple didn't design it himself.) Anyway, he did pretty well in battle, actually standing up to two Decepticons at once, including the commando [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}''

{{note|Optimus Prime says he copied Grapple's memories in case he needed another warrior while away. Does that mean there's still the original Grapple out there somewhere?}}

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===Marvel Books ''Big Looker Storybook'' continuity===
[[Image:InsecticonAttackPage09.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Dear Diary; [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] asked me to the prom today. Should I say yes?]]
While lamenting the fact that he couldn't build beautiful buildings like he did back on Cybertron because the Decepticons would destroy them, Grapple spotted a [[Kickback (G1)|grasshopper]] and a [[Bombshell (G1)|beetle]]. He wished life were as simple for him as it was for those insects, who promptly violated his brain. Under Bombshell's control, Grapple attacked [[Beachcomber (G1)|the resident Autobot hippie]]. Later, at their base, the Decepticons made Grapple their bitch. After the Autobots removed his [[cerebro-shell]], Grapple sucker-punched Megatron and they all celebrated. Hurray! {{storylink|Insecticon Attack!}}

{{note|Throughout almost the entire story, Grapple is drawn with [[Hook (G1)|Hook]]'s [[character model]], only appearing with Grapple's own head in close-ups.}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
After the [[Great Shutdown]] ended, Grapple was among a group of Autobots chosen to serve as a High Council, ruling jointly with the Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
over the newly unified Cybertron. However, the Decepticon easily manipulated the council into giving him more and more power, until they were functionally impotent. Grapple and his fellow council members were among the last Autobots to truly recognize Shockwave's deceits, but did eventually join their fellow soldiers in bringing down the Decepticon's control of Cybertron. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} Afterwards, Grapple decided to accompany [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and the Ark's crew back to Earth, where he could put his skills to work on the construction of Autobot City. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:MegsOrigin4 Grapple Inferno.jpg|left|150px|thumb|DULL LOOKING UP!]]
While [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] was running an emergency rescue operation in [[Kaon]]
during the first major outbreak of Decepticon violence, Grapple was at his side to presumably offer engineering advice on safely evacuating trapped civilians. Their efforts became moot when a hovering [[Kaon upperclass|elite]] pleasure cruiser was shot down and landed right on top of them. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1 Grapple toy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|You'd think that having only one hand would make you an Occupational Safety & Health disaster on a jobsite.]]
* '''Grapple''' (Autobot Car, 1985/1986)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''47'''
**''Accessories'': Left & right fists, "Arc-Welder Rifle", 3 rockets

: Grapple transforms into an orange crane based upon the same truck design that [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] uses, the Mitsubishi Fuso. Each of his forearms contains a spring-loaded missile launcher, so he can fire his own fists or silver missiles (though the mechanism was severely neutered in the original US releases). He is also armed with a small black Arc-Welder rifle.

: This version of this mold was also used to make [[Hauler|RoadHauler]]. The fire engine version of the mold was released as Inferno and ''[[The Headmasters (toyline)|Headmasters]]'' [[Artfire (Headmasters)|Artfire]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Grapple/grapple.htm More information on Grapple at TFU.info]''

* '''Autobot Grapple''' (Commemorative Series, 2004)
**''Accessories'': Left & right fists, "Arc-Welder Rifle", 3 rockets

: Grapple was reissued by Hasbro in 2004 as part of the [[Commemorative Series]]. The spring-loaded firing mechanisms in his arms were completely removed due [[For safety reasons|to safety reasons]].
:Additionally, the hook on his crane as well as the hydraulics in the crane arm were changed to plastic painted silver, rather than using the more brittle (but authentic to the original release) vacuum-metalized plastic. He also gained a new Autobot sigil [[tampograph]] on his chest/cab, and his eyes were changed from yellow to blue.

: Interestingly enough, Grapple was ''not'' released as part of [[Takara]]'s "[[Transformers Collection]]" reissue series.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/CSGrapple/grapple.htm More information on Commemorative Series Grapple at TFU.info]''

===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:TF2010-toy_SolarStormGrappel.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Grah-PEL]]
*'''Solar Storm Grappel''' (Voyager, 2011)

: "Grappel" (likely named such due to [[trademark]] reasons) is a redeco/retool of ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Inferno (G1)#Universe (2008)|Inferno]], transforming into a crane truck of undetermined model. He is fairly extensively retooled, with new parts for the crane, head, forearms, hands and feet. The bars on top of his shoulders have also been enlarged so that they work with [[C joint]] weaponry. As part of the "[[Reveal the Shield]]" assortment, he also has a [[rubsign]].

:The original version of this mold was also used to make [[BotCon 2010]]'s [[Pyro|Spark]].

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===United===
*'''Autobot Grapple''' (Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-11'''

: This Japanese version of Solar Storm Grappel is sold as part of the ''[[United (toyline)|United]]'' toyline. It features several changes in color layout and details, such as an orange head to better resemble most of Grapple's appearances in the Generation 1 cartoon.

{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy Collection===
*'''Grapple''' (Decoy, 1986)
:[[Decoy]] Grapple is a tiny red soft-rubber figurine randomly packaged with various carded toys in 1986.

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===Attacktix===
[[Image:Grapple-atx.jpg|right|180px|thumb|[[wikipedia:Extendar|The tower of power]].]]
*'''Grapple''' (2007)

{{attacktix
|ID=Unknown
|faction=Autobot
|class=Warrior
|special=Unknown
|cost=30
|speed=Unknown
|attacktype=Rammer
}}
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:One of many Generation 1 characters slated to appear in ''[[Attacktix]]'', Grapple would have been a "rammer"-type piece, with a spring-loaded boom-crane attack. A presumed wave-3 Booster, this piece was ultimately never released.

{{canceledtoy}}
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==Notes==
[[Image:Hauler01-sm.jpg|right|150px|thumb|This guy gets named, but does [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]? Nope! Screw him!]]
* An Autobot vehicle matching Grapple's vehicle mode and referred to as "Hauler" appears in a quick scene in the [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|three-part mini-series pilot]] for the original cartoon series. Though later [[Retcon|retconned]] into [[Hauler|a unique character]] via an [[e-Hobby]]-[[exclusive]] [[redeco]], it is likely that this was originally intended as the toy and character that eventually became Grapple.
* In the original cartoon, Grapple's head is colored orange most of the time. In [[Auto Berserk]], however, it's consistently colored black, matching the toy and his appearances in the Marvel comics. Much like [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert's]] red head in the cartoon and the whole [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]/[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] [[FIRRIB|FIRRIB/FIBRIR]] mess, opinions among the [[fandom|fans]] on which is to be considered the "correct" coloration differ.

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==External links==
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Grapple Grapple's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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C joint

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[[Image:Cjoint-Lugnut.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Now we're cookin'.]]

The '''C joint''' is an accessory mounting system using a rather simple 3mm bar and c-shaped clip. First used in the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]/[[N.E.S.T. Global Alliance]]'' series on a few items in 2009, by the time of 2010's [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|gold-packaging ''Transformers'' line]] and ''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'', the C joint has seen much more widespread use.

The system has been given the internal nickname "'''Miyake joint'''" by [[TakaraTomy]] employees, named after its designer [[Miyake Tomoya]]<ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/359804-united-reveal-shield-jazz-development-secret-story.html</ref>, who first used it on the [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Recon|''Revenge of the Fallen'' Recon Ironhide]] toy.

==Toys with C joints==
===Revenge of the Fallen/N.E.S.T. Global Alliance===
{{collist|3|
* [[Brawn (ROTF)|Brawn]] (bars only)
* [[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Recon|Recon Ironhide]]
* [[Skystalker (ROTF)|Skystalker]]
}}

===Transformers (2010)===
{{collist|3|
* [[Breacher]]
* [[Fallback]] (bars only)
* [[Grapple|Solar Storm Grappel]] (bars only)
* [[Hailstorm (TF 2010)|Hailstorm]] / [[Mindset (TF 2010)|Mindset]] (bars only)
* [[Hubcap (TF 2010)|Hubcap]] (bars only)
* [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Special Ops Jazz]]
* [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]] (bars only)
* [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (bars only, disabled due to [[Vacuum metallizing|chrome]])
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Optimus Prime]] (bars only)
* [[Rumble (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Demolitions Rumble]]
* [[Sunspot]]
* [[Terradive (TF 2010)|Terradive]]
* [[Tomahawk (TF 2010)|Tomahawk]]
* [[Tracks (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Turbo Tracks]]
* [[Windcharger (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Windcharger]] (bars only)
* [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]
}}

===Generations===
{{collist|3|
* [[Straxus (G1)#Generations|Darkmount]] / [[Skullgrin#Generations|Skullgrin]]
* [[Kup (G1)#Generations|Sergeant Kup]]
* [[Scourge (G1)#Generations|Scourge]]
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
* [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Generations|Wheeljack]]
}}

===United===
{{collist|3|
* [[Frenzy (G1)#United|Frenzy]]
}}

==Notes==
* [[Wikipedia:Lego|LEGO]] has long made use of an identical clip system. As such, LEGO minifigures can cling to 3mm-bar-equipped Transformers.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category: Gimmicks]]
[[Category: Toys]]

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* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
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* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
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 <div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
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== Galvatron ==
So in [http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2010/09/14/hasbro-transformers-qa-august-2010-answers/ ASM's Q&A response], Hasbro pretty much officially says to consider Galvatron a separate character from Megatron for all practical purposes. How do we tackle this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:56, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
:I interpret it as saying that in inducting Megatron, Galvatron is not being inducted by connection, since [[Megatron (Animated)|not all Megatrons have become Galvatrons]], and some interpretations of Galvatron (like IDW) are separate from Megatron. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 07:00, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, I don't think this really changes anything about the way we've already got Galvy covered. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:14, 15 September 2010 (EDT)

== Excessive Trivia Sections ==

Ok, a few days ago I attempted to clean up some trivia sections. I realize in hindsight I was tired and being a wanker and was removing valuable information, and I apologize for that. However, I think some of our trivia could definitely stand to be integrated into the articles themselves, especially notes like "This character's Universe toy was..." or "in the Energon comic, so-and so was completely different". I would like to integrate these but I was hoping to get an opinion on this, since I went about it wrong once already. Thoughts? -- [[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 12:44, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed. The Notes sections (shouldn't be Trivia anymore) are for information that doesn't fit elsewhere. If there is a logical place to put it, move the information there. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 22 September 2010 (EDT)

== Editing Drift's related materials ==
Actually, this would cover whatever anyone of us have a '''large''' dislike of, but yeah. This is a wiki, where we're supposed to be informative and be able to present the info in a fun way. I'm not entirely sure of how objective we can be (humor aside), but the whole kerfluffle on Drift's mini and cameos showing in his mini is making me worried on the attitudes of certain editors that could easily descend into a editing/name-calling/accusation war. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:39, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
:My position is the Wiki doesn't have to be ''objective'', so long as it isn't ''unreasonable''. There are plenty of flaws in Drift and Shane McCarthy's work to poke fun of -- there's no reason to create ones that aren't true.
:I was re-reading Drift #1 and happened to notice he DID suffer damage from those laser blasts while fleeing. I remembered that note on the Wiki joking that he was "laser-proof", so I removed it. I also posted on the Talk page explaining why. Detour restored the Note several times anyway, even though it was false as written. He eventually tried to re-write it, adding something about Deadlock surviving blasts that blew off Jetstorm's head earlier. Nowhere in the comic did Jetstorm's head get blown off. Drench's did, notCarnivac's did, but Jetstorm was fine. It just shows that Detour doesn't care about being accurate so long as he's not giving an inch on anything Anti-McCarthy on the Wiki.
:So really -- can't we be ''better'' than that? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 22:05, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::Well, I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I really think Detour shouldn't be allowed to edit anything connected to McCarthy. And I'm pretty much branded an irrational anti-McCarthy troll on the IDW boards, so I think this is saying something. I'm first in line to complain when ''he deserves it'', this sort of stuff is just petty and weakens the valid criticism by association. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:25, 23 September 2010 (EDT)
::So because I mixed up Drench and Jetstorm's name, I'm now "making stuff up"? Now who's being irrational? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Please try to be accurate when editing articles. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:57, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I don't think you really comprehend this discussion and the situation leading up to it, Item42. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:17, 24 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Um, people generally hate [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], this wiki's editors want to have reliable articles, and Detour got stuff mixed up, which people blame on his anti-Drift-ism. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:53, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

== External Links ==

Similar to the whole business of changing all the "Trivia" sections into "Notes" sections, this is just a heads up for anyone who wants to chip in for a mundane task: if you ever see a link to TFU.info (or a similar toy site) in the External Links section of a character's page, relocating it to that character's Toys section would be super-awesome. (And if the External Links section subsequently becomes empty, get rid of it.) I wouldn't really describe this as a task with much urgency behind it, but it will make characters' pages look consistent, and consistency looks nice. It's really a minor edit that's easy and quick to do, and I'd appreciate some help in this fiasco. An example of how this is supposed to look like can be found at [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal's toy section]]. So keep an eye out while you're bored and clicking that "Random Page" button. :) --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:37, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:I've been trying to do these whenever I come across one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
::On a similar note, but requiring slightly more effort, if anyone would like to start adding patents from [[User:Khajidha/sandbox|my sandbox]] to the appropriate toy sections that would also be appreciated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:33, 1 December 2010 (EST)
:Except for very toy-dense pages, I kind of like them on the bottom, in a standard location, with other external links, where I can just hit the "page down" key to find them. TFU has a "variations" section with all the character's toys you would ever hope to look for. But whatever. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:39, 1 December 2010 (EST)

==Who hosts your wiki now==
Wikia is making more unpopular changes, [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia] with a new skin which is even more unpopulat.

In this angry discussion, your site was mentioned as one site which said "f--- you wikia" and left, which I respect so much, and would like to emulate.

I am wondering who is hosting your wikia, and how much does it cost per year? If you could do it again, how would you do it differently? Who could I maybe ask these questions too?

Thank you. [[User:Adamtheclown|Adamtheclown]] 17:12, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:We're hosted on [http://www.slicehost.com/ Slicehost]. What you go for hostingwise will really depend on how popular your site is though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

== McAfee SiteAdvisor review rating this site incorrectly ==

As a countermeasure to viruses on the net, I have a special version of McAfee that has this widget-type thing that gives me ratings on the security of certain websites. I have noticed that this website was recently given a big, fat red "X" rating, showing that this website contains malware and other things, all because of one single rating that the reviewer said he did not like this website. He did not say this was a malware site, but the system apparently decided to take ''one'' person's personal opinion and rate this site as a horrible website so every time I go in, I get this asininely huge message saying "MCAFEE HAS TESTED THIS SITE AND FOUND IT TO BE BLAH BLAH BLAH".

I don't think that just one siteadvisor reviewer (myself) can turn around that rating. Sure, a website can be full of people with questionable morals and values, but that has no reflection on the security of the website. Can I have a little help here?

Here is the page for this website: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/tfwiki.net?premium=false&client_uid=1093063016&client_ver=3.1.0.175&client_type=IEPlugin&suite=true&aff_id=0-884&locale=en_us&os_ver=6.1.0.0&pip=true --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 08:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:Questionable "morals and values"? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:27, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I feel like I know that guy from somewhere. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Gotta be [[User: Primal Rage|mignash]]. Also, how could it be a bad shopping experience, we don't SELL anything. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::No, mignash doesn't spell that well. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:43, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::People usually say "bad shopping experience" in place of "bad experience" because there is a bulleted selector so you don't have a lot of choices. What I don't like is having this website have a false security rating, I don't really care about that negative reviewer with the social rating. It's a ''security'' database, not how good or bad something is socially. Maybe the person was [[User:Trolly McTrollerson|Trolly McTrollerson]] and since he was b& he just wanted to troll even more? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:45, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Meh. Considering David Willis's reputation as a "fandom boogeyman", stunts like this hardly surprise me. There's a lot of petty fans who apparently categorically refuse to edit this wiki out of hatred for Willis (which apparently also stops them from editing at Wikia as well, go figure...) and who basically go "Yeah? I know Transformers! I'm going to make my own Transformers wiki! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the wiki!". So, yeah. Hardly surprising. I've dropped off a review myself, but it still doesn't appear to be enough to raise the rating... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:11, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::If Walky wants to dispute it, he can use support@siteadvisor.com to see if that'll fix the rating. Really, that negative "shopping experience review" is ridiculous. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:15, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Sorry I can't help much, all I can add to this discussion is that the negative review is likely from a British TF fan, due to his use of the word "cleverer" which I can count the number of times I've heard it from a non Brit on one hand. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::WAIT! I stand corrected. In one of his other reviews he uses Shaw Secure, and Shaw is a Canadian ISP. That's what I get for trying to analyze someone's vocabulary, I guess. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Hmm, the wording's very similar to the Google Sidewiki comment we got dated the same day as this. I suspect it's the same dude. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:39, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I ****LOVE**** how Walky disputed this "The site is indeed full of assholes, but it's malware free." That's us all right! Apparently that was enough to tip us into a green/safe review. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:28, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Fan-configurations of toys ==

(From [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fan-mode|here]], I'm not sure who "User:Divebomb" is though)
Should we have an article on how people would have made-up modes of their toys just because the toys can be configured that way (such as that "combination" of Classics Jetfire and Optimus Prime)? Or maybe just mention that stuff in an article somewhere (like [[Toy]])?
{{note|I'm not suggesting we mention that on individual character ''pages'', cos that will just spiral out of control.}}

-[[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I find it odd that we don't have a fan-mode article here. It seems like it would be a valid topic, and a few famous/infamous examples should be mentioned on that page. I agree that we don't need to mention them on individual pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:37, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::FYI, User:Divebomb would happen to be me. (Don't tell the Wikipedia guys that though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:40, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Once you admitted to something on a ''publically viewable'' webpage, there's really no stopping the info from getting out. You didn't have to admit who it was ''specifically''. But, I guess if you're gonna be good over there, you ''might'' be allowed to stay. Doesn't Wikipedia have something for reformed vandals? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 09:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::You're assuming they're even gonna notice. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:34, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::I like being honest. If anybody asks, I can tell them who "Divebomb" is, since I never agreed to keep it secret. Don't tempt me. Also, we (both of us) should get back on topic. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:52, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I think it is certainly a good idea to make a page such as that! I happen to be very interested in this kind of thing because I, too used to dick around with my toys and I want a wiki article on it; I don't want to search around on geoshitties-type websites for such things. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:It would have to be kept brief, with just a few well-known examples, or we'd have people forever adding the fan mode they thought up five minutes ago to turn classics Bumblebee into a turtle with the head of a walrus. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::The toilet mode for [[Shortround]] and his redecos should definitely be listed. The Classics [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Classics|Optimus Prime]] and [[Jetfire (G1)#Classics|Jetfire]] combination is another probably notable one. Mention should be made that the design of many movie toys allows multiple configurations.Oh, and the "gerwalk" mode for G1 Jetfire. Beyond that, I'm not sure. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:10, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Don't forget that not all modes are Fan Created. The Jetfire gerwalk mode, for example, is displayed in his instructions, sort of making it official. I remember quite a few instruction booklets showing alternate modes [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Guess I should have left that one out, I put it in as an afterthought. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:21, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Not going into specifics, but the multiple modes created from RID Megatron and how some of the fandom kept looking for additional modes. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 10:16, 30 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::The only really notable example I can think of (one that I copied myself a couple of times) was the faux Overkill you could make out of a BM Mirage and Scavenger...hang on, lemme see if I can find a link...aha http://www.ggaub.com/tf/toys/bm_overkill.html is well documented and would go very nicely under "External links" if such a page existed --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:31, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I think an Alternate Configuration page with a section about fan-made alternate configurations would be a good idea. If I recall correctly, Beast Wars Rampage also had an alternate configuration for his robot mode. (Essentially, it was just another way to put his crab claws). Between him, the characters already mentionned here, I'd say that's enough already to warrant a page. And I'm sure there's others that haven't been mentionned yet too. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:01, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::For "official" alternate configurations, Tigerhawk's semi-abandoned tank mode might also qualify, as well as the Special Teams leaders' launcher modes (though only alternate outside Japan, I suppose). There must be a bunch more. Universe Galvatron's "walker" mode? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:48, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I think we should specify that an alternate configuration is NOT a separate mode. I mean, we already have separate pages for battle modes and stuff. And alternate configuration should be basically "This is still this character's X mode, but you can choose to put this part this way or that way." --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 00:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Galvy's walker mode is TECHNICALLY official. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 01:54, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== [[Frank Miller]] ==

A bit of an edit war or something [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Frank_Miller&action=history here]. [[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] and [[User:Detour|Detour]] changed the caption to a [[david Willis|Shortpacked]] reference, changingthe caption to a picture '''I uploaded'''. Isn't that [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|wrong]] or somesuch? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:I guess if other people dislike a joke, then it's okay to change the caption, I think. A while ago, Eire changed a caption I added on [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]'s page, but I didn't mind because the new one was funnier. If you take offense, however, that's something that needs to be discussed.--[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Thing is, their edits put in an '''external link''', that explains the joke. If you look further up this page there's (currently) a section with me getting told by [[Chris McFeely]] and Interrobang that doing so would be a ''bad''thing. If I have to stop doing that, then so should they. Plus, changing a caption like that is discouraged by policy. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:02, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Oh lordy McLordlord. Okay, first of all. "Who the hell do you think I am?" was Kamina's catchphrase and that's why Konishi gets it. "WTHDYTIA" is merely a small portion of the larger "What are you, dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the goddamn Batman!", and generally the first part to be left out when it's misquoted because it's so forgettable there compared to what comes before and after it. It's really a poor-ass choice of words for Miller's caption any way you look at it. Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller, that's why it turned meme mere moments after Willis put it up. It's there because that's where the joke originated, and the comic's funny. Just because there's a link in a caption doesn't mean it's a deliberate attempt at explaining a joke. Look around and you'll see plenty of other captions with such links within them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::''Second of all, the Shortpacked link does not, as you put it, "explain the joke". The joke doesn't need explaining if you know ANYTHING about Miller,'' What kind of logic is that? "The link doesn't explain the joke, provided you already understand the joke!" Anyway, while I am personally probably more in favor of linked-text jokes then some seem to be lately, I think they should only be done when the links are inter-wiki. Also, if Item42 put the image up, I say let him keep his own damn caption. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::Eh, I guess if it's Uploader's Choice... I finally managed to be provided with a much cooler image of Miller that's in tune with other real-life people's photos (such as [[Maurice LaMarche]] and [[Ernie Hudson]]), going with an unlikely role of theirs. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:53, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

:::Ahem,
#I know both lines pretty well.
#Just because people do that a lot,doesn't mean it should be done (for example, the caption page has a list of jokes this community is sick of. An example outside this wiki would be main namespace-conversation on TV Tropes)
#I thought the captions are supposed to be a bonus for people who upload stuff?
#It would be much better if this wiki's pages policy give more comprehensive/complete advice.
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 12:23, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:Did... did Detour just upload a ''different'' picture of Frank Miller just so he could get to "win" and make up it's caption? Seriously? Wow. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:54, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::He did both and it's fuckin' hilarious. Much better than anything that was there before! --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:55, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't even disagree that it's a better picture for us to use, it's just to up and do that right in the middle of this discussion is, well... kind of a dick move, really. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:58, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::Not exactly. I'd been asking around for a still of Frank the chemist for a while now. The previous caption just gave my acquaintances the extra motivation to it for me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:00, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
Why the fuck are we having a discussion on this. 
::::I don't have a problem with somebody changing the caption if they uploaded a new picture. Unless... a few hundred pictures are uploaded over old ones just because somebody wanted to change the caption. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:14, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
I would like to point out that half of the discussions on this page in the last six weeks have been started by Item42. Can you dial back the need to have elaborate explanations for reverts of your edits, please? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:32, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:To prevent edit warring? I don't see why this shouldn't be discussed. (Though I might point Item to our Allspark thread for other discussions.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:36, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::I suppose I should also ask why we're having an edit war over a ''caption''. Guys. ''Guys.''[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Also, why isn't this being discussed on [[Talk:Frank Miller]]? The Community Portal is for sitewide stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:28, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

Sorry that I overreacted. found the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208 Allspark thread], I think. There should be a link to that somewhere on the help pages or something. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)

== Skin ==

What the hell happened to the skin? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:41, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, seriously, what happened? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:48, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::I don't see anything wrong with it. Is something not working? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:33, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Well, the Monacobook colours seem to have randomly changed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:59, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Must be a problem on your end, because I use MonacoBook and nothing seems different to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Weird. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:58, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I even tried clearing my cache, and it all loaded up fine. You could try doing the same and seeing if it fixes the problem. If not, post a screen shot and maybe someone will recognise the problem. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:08, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Cache clearing didn't work.
:::::::[[Image:Skinwtf.JPG|thumb|right|250px|That is what Monacobook now looks like.]] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:42, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I just noticed emopanda's been suspended by its webhost. You've still got the code for Derik's tools in your personal css file, and the fact that emopanda's now giving you an html file instead of css is probably confusing your browser. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:48, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I removed the offending code, and BAM! the skin is back to normal. Thanks. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:00, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

== Talk:/Talk: pages ==

Is there some way to prevent all the spammers from creating these pages? There doesn't seem to be ANY legitimate use for such a page, can't it be forbidden or limited to admins or something? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:40, 1 October 2010 (EDT)
:I believe I brought this up at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism]]. No one responded. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:50, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

:Not without installing some sort of blacklist extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 1 October 2010 (EDT)

== Artist Go Box ==

(Sorry if this isn't the place to do this. First time posting on the Community Portal)

*ahem* I noted that the Go boxes for Dan Reed and Andy Wildman both show Megatron. I don't know if that's intentional, but maybe we should follow that pattern for all the other artists? A close-up shot of Megatron's face, preferably one that capture their style as much as possible in the way that Reed's image is of a demonic, melty looking Megs, and Wildman's shows a mouth-agog spitting Megs. We could use the Senior Megatron drawing that was used in the Marvel box for the middle run of the UK comic. [[User:LiamK|LiamK]] 20:32, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:I like this idea. It wouldn't work for Pat Lee, but I wouldn't mind having it as a trend for artists when they're added. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:41, 7 October 2010 (EDT)

== Potentially dodgy advertising ==

Since I'm not in North America or the EU, the current winning bid on Project Wonderful I can see is something about "Prettiest Teen Girls", which I think is a porn site or is at least unsavoury. [http://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.php?id=25311&type=4 Click the world thumbnail under the flags.] Hopefully somebody with a less dodgy business out bids them soon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:15, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:Luckily it seems to have been out-bid already. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:34, 8 October 2010 (EDT)

== Ideal Struture of Toy/Merchandise Description ==

Has there been discussion on what constitutes an ideal description for a toy or piece of merchandise? I recently added an admittedly hefty amount of text for Leader-class Movie Starscream, and noted on his Toy Page that various users have trimmed it down so it's "not as review-like". I'm not complaining, but I am curious if the community ever discussed how much info is too much, or if it should be a bit of common sense that I might have missed out on; I'd love to pare it down myself, and perhaps take a crack at some other descriptions that might be too long or "review-like".

Thanks. [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 14:30, 19 October 2010 (EDT)

== Delete blocked user's page ==

Any chance we could have somebody delete [[User:Jolt Volt]]? It's got a bunch of links nobody can edit to fix because the page is protected and there's no real point to keeping it around, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:06, 20 October 2010 (EDT)
:No one objected, so I've deleted the page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:53, 10 November 2010 (EST)

== Prime vs. WFC ==

Are these the same franchise or 2 franchises in the same continuity family? If they are the same, shouldn't they have the same nav-box? I've brought this up before on the relevant pages and gotten no response, so I'm reposting it here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:10, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
:They are supposedly in the same continuity, not just the same continuity family. The wiki treats them as the same franchise as far as disambiguations go. WFC-original characters are given the "(Prime)" as their franchise of origin. I'm not completely convinced it should be that way. There doesn't seem to be much tying WFC and Prime together as a franchise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:18, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
::What ties the G1 comic and cartoon together? These don't really seem any more different than those. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:33, 23 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Hasbro are clearly making up these franchise continuities as they go along. Between Prime, WFC, Generations, PCC, Transformers 2010/2011 and their sublines (Movie vs non-Movie) the whole brand right now is a complete and utter travesty of a mess. The rebel in me says that we as fans should dictate how these sub-brands should be divided up. A bit like with what we have already done with the Unicron Trilogy, and the extended G1 mythos. Prime is obviously independent in it's own right. WFC doesn't fit into anything easily. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 12:41, 23 October 2010 (EDT)

== Holy grails ==
Anyone for adding the Hot Rod Go-Kart to the "grail" list? Because seriously. Photos or SOME kind of info about that thing would be beyond awesome. (And, statistically, the kid who won almost HAS to be online now, you know?) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:42, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

== Universe 2003 vs Universe 2008 disambiguations ==

I moved Backstop (Universe) to Backstop (Universe 2003) because Backstop (Cybertron) has a Universe 2008 toy. To my mind, that means that Backstop (Universe 2008) exists and means that there cannot be a simple Backstop (Universe). Interrobang seems to disagree. Opening it up for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:30, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
:Once again for the hundredth time, disambiguations are not here to convey information. They are here to separate character articles. "(Universe)" performs that function perfectly fine and old characters appearing in other franchises do not affect disambiguation. Note how [[Megatron (BW)]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)]] remain where they are, despite the presence of older characters with the same name in the same franchise. And [[:Category:Generation 2 characters|the numerous G2 dudes with same name as G1 dudes]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:39, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
::Guess it's a function of my more toy centric thinking. I have to think hard to remember which toy represents which character, but which line they were released in is second nature to me. Which also makes me disagree with the use of an unmodified "Universe" tag in the first place. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:51, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Okay? Precedent (even if we only consider toys) and the rule of KISS we apply to disambiguations isn't agreeing with you. The fact that Hasbro rebranded and sold some toys to crap stores doesn't change that. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:05, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Okay, I'll try to not make the same mistake again. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:09, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Does this actually belong on this page? Seems to me like it should be at the Community Portal instead. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:22, 26 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::Sorry, got distracted. Put it on wrong page by accident. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:24, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

== Difficulty level? ==

Should we have an article on the "transformation difficulty levels" the toys bear on their packaging, and whatever relationship they might have to reality? [[User:JW|JW]] 08:05, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

== I keep getting logged out ==

For some reason, I keep getting logged out at random intervals, even if I select "Remember Me" at the login screen. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:47, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:How often? Logging in sets up some cookies which are set to eventually expire. They last a month or two at least though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:05, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::I specifically said "random intervals". Also, the problem doesn't seem to be on the wiki's side, because it's happening at all wikis I regularly visit. (Specifically, this wiki, a Wikia one I run and am hoping to move, and multiple Wikipedias.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:47, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:::The default expiry for cookies in MediaWiki is 30 days, so that's probably what you're experiencing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:44, 3 November 2010 (EDT)
::::The problem is it's happening much more often that 30 days.
::::Also, FYI, the problem is now only happening at this wiki. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 04:12, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Hmm, I don't know then - I can only suggest checking the expiry on the cookies in your browser and see when they're set to expire. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:51, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== Ted Nolan interview? ==

A few places on this wiki mention Ted Nolan, who--as far as anyone can tell--made the first ever Internet post about Transformers. Well, looking at his address his gave in that post, he apparently ''still lives there'', and this is very close to my residence, within easy driving distance. Would anyone be interested in seeing if I could set up an interview to see what he thinks after 25+ years? [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 19:51, 3 November 2010 (EDT)
:I imagine it might be of interest to some fans, but unless he's ended up working on the show or something, probably beyond the remit of this wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:53, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::Uh... maybe you should shoot him an email first? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
:::Immediately show up on his doorstep without warning and ask him if Rumble is red or blue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:47, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::::I might be crazy, but I'm not stupid. ''Of course'' I would send him an e-mail or a letter or something first (though the image of pounding on the door and shouting "Ted Nolan! Your sins from the past have caught up with you at last, the Spawn Of Unicron are here to take you to The Pit!" IS amusing). [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 17:11, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== Universe '08 Minicons + 'Energon fizzy jellies' ==

Browsing in The Entertainer I found 5 packets with the '08 universe logo on the top but lacking any Hasbro logo whatsoever. They instead sport the tag 'Boystoys' which is apparently a UK confection company. Inside comes a little packet of 'Energon fizzy jellies' and most surprisingly one of the 12 minicons previously released as a giftset in walmart I think. They were blind packed so I got Suppressor, Skyhammer, Knock Down and 2 Cloudrakers. I've never seen these before and neither had the cashier but they don't look like knock offs. Anybody with more wiki experience know where these should be filed, if at all?
:Those sound like knockoffs to me. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:58, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
:Well what's the quality of the paintjobs and the plastic on the Minicons like? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:59, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
::[http://figuredouthq.blogspot.com/2010/10/transformers-universe-mystery-packs.html Well, certainly looks official enough at first glance.] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:02, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
:Thats them Detour- quality feels like the expected level of a genuine product. I've handled some of the KO G1 gestalts and these are nothing like those
::Looks pretty official. Guess I a) need to read more carefully, and b) stop being so paranoid. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:10, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

== Gobots on the wiki... again ==
I only just noticed that the Allspark Almanac II retcons the GoBots as being their universe's version of Transformers, and retcons Gobotron into a form of Primus. So, now that they're officially Transformers, Primus officially exists in their universe, AND they even have their own universal stream indicator (Gargent), should we include GoBots on the wiki as their own continuity family? There was some talk about this on the [[Talk:GoBots (franchise)|GoBots talk page]] back in August, but it never went anywhere. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:32, 7 November 2010 (EST)
:I second this, for the reasons Semysane enumerated so well. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:46, 7 November 2010 (EST)
::I'm for both GoBots and Robotix getting articles. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:04, 7 November 2010 (EST)
:::Oh yeah, add my vote to Robotix, too. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:07, 7 November 2010 (EST)
I don't know if I really want to have the "Allspark Almanac retconned something" argument again.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:11, 7 November 2010 (EST)
:I'm extremely uneasy with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:27, 7 November 2010 (EST)

I strongly vote "no" on this. You want '''''AN''''' article, structured like we have with, say, [[Visionaries]]? Okay, fine. But all 100+ characters and as many hours of fiction? No. The Almanac's 25-years-after-the-fact out-of-universe retcons notwithstanding, GoBots and Robotix have nothing to do with Transformers. Jeeper Creeper never appeared in any Transformers fiction, never interacted with any Transformers characters, is completely unrelated to any and all Transformers concepts, and does not belong on a Transformers wiki. I think it speaks volumes that like 11 months after people voted "oh yeah, we'll start a GB wiki too" actually nothing has been done. There's very little knowledge, interest, or drive behind the topic. And there are probably five or six orders of magnitude less knowledge, interest, or drive behind Robotix. Including them would demean and dilute everything we've put together here and the interests that led us to try to put it together in the first place. So, again, I vote no. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:42, 7 November 2010 (EST)
:Complete agreement. You want to chronicle everything GoBots that wasn't in TFs, then put forth the effort to make a separate GoBots wiki. I'll certainly help take pictures for it. But til then... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:08, 7 November 2010 (EST)
:Yes. Exactly. Make Robotix & Gobots overview pages, but not entries for every character or event. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:13, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::Thylacine, the fact that nothing has been done with the GoBots wiki is not OUR fault, we've been trying to get it started, but haven't heard anything from the powers that be yet. You've participated in that discussion, so don't act like this is news to you. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:56, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:::"The powers that be" do not have a global monopoly on the ability to set up a wiki. It's been a year. But regardless, the point remains that a systematic name-by-name treatment of GoBots / Robotix doesn't belong here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:12, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::::And why not, exactly? They are officially Transformers now. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:42, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:::::No they aren't. There's something called "GoBots" and something called "Robotix" that represent real TF continuities, deserving a brief writeup (at most). Almost none of the characters and events from GoBots, and none whatsoever from Robotix, have ever appeared under the Hasbro label and thus are not official TF product, and will never be appropriate for inclusion here under these conditions. The ones that have actually existed within TF qualifying conditions--about 8 GoBots from about 3 stories plus some background easter eggs--are already here. Adding in every other GoBot because "they're a team" would be no less absurd than adding in every single Marvel superhero that never appeared in Transformers, just to match up with the small handful of Marvel superheroes who did appear in Transformers and are already here. Where are our articles about Daredevil and Phoenix and Baron Zemo? You can't just namedrop a universe and then expect all its uncounted thousands of inhabitants, locations, and historical events to be pertinent. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:55, 8 November 2010 (EST)
::::::Try actually READING what I'm saying instead of responding to what you WISH I was saying. They didn't just namedrop the universe, it was said specifically that the GoBots are their universe's version of Transformers and specifically that Gobotron is a form of Primus. That is not just namedropping the universe. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:14, 9 November 2010 (EST)
:::::::Which doesn't change that >99% of the GoBots stuff '''''did not ever appear in any Transformers-branded fiction or toyline, and therefore has no place on this wiki.''''' --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:51, 9 November 2010 (EST)

==Junkions==
I want to tackle the Junkion character articles one of these days, but after attempting to write the first two, I figure I need some advice on how to deal with the loose definition of a Junkion character. Most Junkion models represent multiple characters that are discernable either only because they stand next to each other in one shot/panel or because they have different colors, and then one still wouldn't know which color represents the "character" as named in TCA (don't have the book, but I doubt it contained colored versions of the Junkion models). Then there's models that were used for non-Junkions, most of which are pretty clearly not the same character, but some, like hood Transformer and pole vault Transformer, are ambiguous. So, what'd like help on is an idea how to write character articles on characters that are not defined as characters. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:00, 8 November 2010 (EST)

==Ron Friedman auctions==
Ron Friedman, one of the G1 cartoon's writers, is auctioning off [http://comics.ha.com/common/search_results.php?Ntk=SI_Titles&Ntt=transformers&Nty=1&N=52+793+794+791+1893+792&chkNotSold=0&Ns= a TON of old scripts with hand written marginal revisions and whatnot]. These are the kind of things the Wiki needs to have access to. Another charity auction drive, perhaps? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:24, 9 November 2010 (EST)
:Keep me in the loop on this. I think I'd be the logical person to curate this material, and I'm always up for giving to a good cause. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:32, 9 November 2010 (EST)
::I've set up a [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74385 thread at Allspark] just in case. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:22, 9 November 2010 (EST)
:::Okay, so Monzo has registered an account and is bidding on the first draft of TFTM. Are there any other ones we think warrant significant time/financial investment, or should we just hope for the best? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:54, 10 November 2010 (EST)
::::1) Please don't tell me that both Monzo and Jim are bidding on the same thing. 2) The Wiki has a cash surplus at the moment. I'm in favor of donating it to the cause, but I want to get some yeas first, since it's not technically my money to spend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 11 November 2010 (EST)
:::::Don't worry, Monzo and I (and a few other serious bidders) are coordinating our efforts to try to maximize the benefit to the fandom and minimize our own financial outlay.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:20, 11 November 2010 (EST)
::::::You have my vote to use the money, as this is to acquire unique research material pertinent to our subject. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:04, 12 November 2010 (EST)
:::::::You have mine too. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:08, 12 November 2010 (EST)
::::::::I wouldn't have posted it here if I wasn't in support of the wiki getting involved. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:27, 12 November 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Aaaaaand Jim has some money. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:13, 12 November 2010 (EST)

== Interview for Examiner journalist about Wikia history ==

I am a "citizen journalist" [http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/gregory-kohs writing for Examiner.com] about issues related to bad management practices and content concerns at wikis on the Internet. I am working on a new piece that will focus on the current defection trend from Wikia to new wiki sites, based on dissatisfaction over the ''Oasis'' skin and how it's been handled by Jimbo, Gil, and company. If there is a senior "bureaucrat" or owner/stakeholder here who would be willing to talk on the record about how this wiki split from Wikia, I would appreciate setting up a time we could talk for an interview. My e-mail is ResearchBiz (at) gmail.com. I am not at all likely to check back here, so please correspond by e-mail. Thank you! -- [[User:Thekohser|Thekohser]] 09:58, 11 November 2010 (EST) (Gregory Kohs)
: I sent him a link to [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Community_Portal/Complaints]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:59, 11 November 2010 (EST)

== Redirects with parentheses ==

An issue came up on the [[Talk:Dead End (Prime)]] page that should be discussed more widely. The modern continuity Dead End is actually spelled "Deadend". There is a Movie character who was called "Deadend" in a novel, but his actual page is at "Jolt (Movie)". Should the modern continuity Deadend be at "Deadend" or should it be at "Deadend (Prime)" since there is another character named "Deadend"?

I think "Deadend" may be a bad example since it may be considered just a mistake in the novel and end up an exception to the rule. But what about as a general policy? The question boils down to if there should be alternate name redirects with disambiguation parentheses. Examples: "Rodimus Prime (G1)" => "Hot Rod (G1)" , "Orion Pax (G1) => "Optimus Prime (G1)" , "Tankor (G1) => "Octane" , "Axalon (Animated)" => "Alpha Supreme".

The arguments against using redirects with parentheses are that users will never use them and that they clutter up the search drop down box, potentially dropping off entries with actual pages.

The arguments for using redirects with parentheses are that they appear in the search drop down box and the user could go directly to the article they want. Also, if there are missing entries in the drop down box, that seems like missing information. Example, typing in "Axalon" drops down the terms "Axalon" "Axalon (Armada)" "Axalon (BW)" and "Axalon (disambiguation)" but no "Axalon (Animated)". It could escape the user's notice that there is even is an ''Axalon'' in Animated. If it was there, the user might be like, "Oh, cool, there was an ''Axalon'' in Animated." <click>

My opinion is that the potential for dropping off actual pages from the search box is a good argument. But I really like the alternate names to show up. Could the search box be made bigger? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 18 November 2010 (EST)

:Hm, I just posted over at [[Tornado (Marvel)]] about this kind of thing, then saw this. I think it has to be looked at on a case-by-base basis, but for some reason all the Skyscorchers have redirects from their European names (even though we don't do this for Japanese names, do we?) leaving a whole bunch of flashing links across the wiki. Surely we could cut that out? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 13:58, 18 November 2010 (EST) [edit] Just had the Skyschorchers' situation explained to me over at Tornado's page...that's probably a separate issue of its own. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:08, 18 November 2010 (EST)

: While I can see both sides, I'm not sure the purpose of the search box is to alert people to things they didn't know about. Its purpose is to help people find what they're specifically looking for. Leave the "informative" functionality to the disambig page. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:36, 18 November 2010 (EST)

::But what if I'm specifically looking for the ''Animated'' Axalon? Without the redirect, I type "Axalon" and it's not in the list that drops down. Maybe I hit enter and go to the disambig page and see it there, or maybe I assume the page for it doesn't exist yet. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:51, 18 November 2010 (EST)

:::Is it technically impossible to have redirects be shoved to the bottom of the search box list, thus not "cluttering it up", but still having them appear? [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 19:22, 18 November 2010 (EST)

::::I simply think that every valid name for a character should have a redirect to the appropriate article because that article should be in that location as well. I'm not sure why the various Animated Supremes had their starship name redirects deleted, or why there is no redirect from "Rodimus (G1)". As abates said not having at least a redirect from Axalon (Animated) could lead to the impression of a lack of data, having the redirect shows that the data exists and where to find it.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:33, 19 November 2010 (EST)

:::::I agree with abates, at least some redirects with parentheses are needed, such as Axalon (Animated). --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 09:36, 19 November 2010 (EST)

== Hey guys! ==

We seem to be nearing 12,000 pages. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 02:02, 19 November 2010 (EST)
:Keep a sharp watch to verify which one is the milestone article, and I'll be happy to make up the icon and slap it on.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:50, 22 November 2010 (EST)

== "Generation 1 Autobots", etc. categories ==

I know we talked about this when the nationality thing went down, but is there any support or opposition to the idea of things like "Generation 1 humans" to help divide up the gigantic franchise character categories? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:06, 21 November 2010 (EST)

:I definitely support this idea to split the categories by categorizing characters by franchise and faction/race so things could be more sorted.. (I've used it for recent franchises in the wikia.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:20, 21 November 2010 (EST)

::We are so fucking NOT putting up categories by "race". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:26, 21 November 2010 (EST)

:::I'm pretty sure he meant Transformer and human categories, dude. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:31, 21 November 2010 (EST)

:::::Yes, I only refer to Transformers (Autobots/Decepticons) and humans. I forgot there are other race. (oops) Thanks for explaining for me. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 04:26, 22 November 2010 (EST)

::::I don't think that anyone is suggesting that at this point. I think this is mainly about creating subcategories to break some of the ginormous categories down to more manageable size. For example, Category: Humans would have subcategories like Category: Generation 1 humans and Category: Unicron Trilogy humans. I would support that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:33, 21 November 2010 (EST)
:::::Does anybody else care one way or the other? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:14, 24 November 2010 (EST)
::::::It would be a heck of a lot easier to find specific dudes, I'd love categories based on franchises. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 15:20, 24 November 2010 (EST)
::::::It all sounds reasonable to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 24 November 2010 (EST)
::::::Categories based on franchises definitely sounds good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:07, 24 November 2010 (EST)

== Figures prone to breakage that aren't GPS could do with their own page (like the GPS list) ==

Seeing as my comment concerning PCC double clutch was removed yesterday I'd like to propose the creation of a list of figures that are known for being fragile and breakage as a result of poor construction and NOT GPS. Double clutch's ball joints for example or animated arcee's thumbs. Wouldn't be a definitive list by any means but more of a reference list for collectors whose figure just broke becuase of a common design flaw rather than the handling of the figure. Would be a useful reference list is all im saying.
:I can see the merit, but it seems quite subjective...and ultimately every toy is prone to breakage. I could point to a load of my G1s that have "battle damage", and who's to say the movie toys of today won't be similarly beaten up in 25-odd years' time? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 17:57, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Comics Featured Characters==
Would anyone mind if I excised the "Regular" and "Guest" subheadings in the Humans column? It screws up the numbering and it's not even consistent - Walter Barnett (for one) jumps from one heading to the other as the comic goes on. I'd go ahead and do it, but I thought I'd throw it out there in case anyone has any particular affection for them. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:24, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:Please do. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:07, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::Done & done --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 03:39, 9 December 2010 (EST)

== 12,000th article ==

I didn't actually notice till just now, but [[Reachout]] is apparently the 12,000th article. Too bad he has nothing to his name whatsoever, but, uh, cheers. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:36, 9 December 2010 (EST)
:Or is it [[Airlift]]? The count shows 12,024 articles, and Reachout is only the 24th newest. Shouldn't the 25th newest actually be the 12,000th? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 15:20, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::Bluestreak's reasoning seems sound. Who was supposed to make up the milestone marker? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:30, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::Reachout was the second article on the list when we were at 12,001. The new article list isn't always accurate. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:58, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I'll buy that. I'm seeing Reachout as 26th newest currently. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 23:10, 10 December 2010 (EST)

== Doctor Who connection? ==

Between the Octuses of various continuities who have been confirmed, either by authorial intent and/or the Almanac, combined with the pure and unquestionable fact that the same, individual Death's Head who interacted with the TFs in Marvel UK is the same that met the Doctor, can we note in this wiki that the Whoniverse(s) have a tangental connection to the TF multiverse and in doing so may well create one of, if not ''the'' largest fictional universes in existence? I am VERY excited about this. [[User:Solaris Prime|Solaris Prime]] 02:34, 12 December 2010 (EST)
:I think we already note that the Whoniverse has a tangential connection to the tF multiverse - after all, the [[Doctor (G1)|Doctor]] does have a page here, as do the [[Dalek]]s. If it's massive fictional universes based on tangential connections you're after, you might be interested to know that Doctor Who forms part of the ever-expanding Westphallverse, see links below
:http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers.html - introduction to the Westphallverse
:http://home.vicnet.net.au/~kwgow/crossovers%28full%29.jpg - diagram showing crossovers
:I don't know if they count animated shows, but given the number of crossovers between all the various Sunbow cartoons it's totally possible that there's a link between at least one of them and one of the 280 shows in the Westphallverse, meaning that GI Joe, Inhumanoids, Transformers, Jem and the Holograms etc. would all share a universe with the Doctor. This universe also contains Red Dwarf, Buffy, Firefly, all the Star Treks, Lost and the X-Files. The only downside is that universe only exists in a 12 year-old boy's head. Multiverses are tricky things. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 05:31, 12 December 2010 (EST)
::Hm, now I read it again, they don't count cartoons because it would make the universe insanely huge. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 05:50, 12 December 2010 (EST)

== Image plagiarism ==

[http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:TX55&oldid=348386#Why_on_Earth_did_you_remove_the_picture_of_Alice_in_Robot_mode.3F From the other site]

The point of Mr. P got ''some'' loopholes, but I admit I can't figure out how to retort him so far. (Because I'm barely familiar with any copyright statement of a Wikipedia-based system such as cc-by-2.0 or others.) Yes, apparently a person doesn't own anything which is not created by him/herself, but I don't think it is a good reason to take any screencap or scanned image without any recognition, since it is processed by another person. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:05, 15 December 2010 (EST)

:Well just tell him it's not even a question of copyrights, but rather of Teletraan-1 wanting to have different content from TFWiki. Hence, no identical images. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:11, 15 December 2010 (EST)

::Right. It's not copyright, it's courtesy.--[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 12:57, 15 December 2010 (EST)

:::I am laughing so hard at the assertion that our wiki is "so much fluff," when OUR wiki is just THEIR wiki but with twice the information! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:42, 15 December 2010 (EST)

::::Wow. That guy has ''got'' to take a reality check. (I took the liberty of posting that back there too.) --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 13:47, 15 December 2010 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log in)

:::::While making fun of Wikia diehards is fun and warranted, I think posting why he needed a reality check instead of just laughter would have been more, well, useful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:43, 15 December 2010 (EST)

:I think the dude over there is trolling. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:09, 15 December 2010 (EST)

::Thanks guys for giving advices and replying while I was away. Yes, it is "courtesy", the word I want to use. How come I forgot the word nor mentioning to keep the diversity between the two sites. Haha --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:27, 15 December 2010 (EST)

::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:-Blackout-#Reality_check.3F_Yeah_right_your_TFWIKIA_does_not_won_any_pictures_fromm_the_movie_period. Guess somebody] want to keep the funny stay {{m-}} by saying ''hahahaha''(ridiculous plus hilarious) stuff. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:56, 15 December 2010 (EST)

==Didn't we have a Transformers Appearances/References in Other Media page?==
I could have sworn we did, mentioning stuff like Family guy etc. If we don't have such a page, would it be allowed to be created? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:53, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:Unless it's officially sanctioned by Hasbro, no, we do not mention Transformer appearances in other media. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:54, 18 December 2010 (EST)
:: If it ever existed, it would have been destroyed with fire in about 30 seconds. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::: Of course, if we did have such a page, we could use it as a lighting rod, keep anons from adding something to Soundwave's page every time Seth Green says the word "transformers." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:28, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Of course, NO. Discussion over. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:45, 18 December 2010 (EST)
::::Discussion not quite over. If the unofficial nature of the topic is the reason why it is not allowed, then there are several articles that already exist that are pushing boundaries on the wiki. I would have thought that the biggest problem would be it's size.[[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 09:26, 20 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Yeah, that'd be the other big reason. There's so many such references it would be impossible to keep track of them all. It would also involve making sure what's added there is actually a TF reference. And given all the Toms, Dicks and Harrys that'll come out of the woodwork to add such stuff, that's going to be more trouble than not having a page. Best not to get a larger headache for the sake of reducing a smaller one. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:44, 20 December 2010 (EST)

=="Knockoff warning" for toy sections?==
Just something that occurred to me... as I skimmed this page http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 and looked at alllllll the "could be mistaken for real and paid stupid money for" knockoffs... is there any objection to some form of link to this in the relevant toy sections? Sadly, the page lacks a "jump to" feature of any kind, but alerting people to the potential danger of dropping several hundred on what they think is a genuine Defensor box set... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:50, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:I think it skirts the line with our "we don't really discuss knockoffs" policy, but on the other hand, yeah, it's a useful bit of information, almost to the point where we could stand to have a special page about ''these specific knockoffs''. I am not opposed to adding a link to that site, no, as long as it's got a massive and specific caveat attached to it (maybe even with a special template box thing ("A Prime Problem"-themed perhaps?)). Hell, maybe the highendtfs people would be willing to throw up navigation in exchange for the inevitable deluge of hits - anyone got contact info for the owner? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:11, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::It's worth noting that there are some very well-done Henkei seekers knockoffs now, too. The really expensive ones even, like Thundercracker. Their sections could use warnings as well. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:56, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::Are they in knockoff PACKAGING that is meant to look like the real thing? That's the really tricky part. G1 MIB shit is much, much more expensive. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:27, 19 December 2010 (EST)
::::Yes, they are: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/buyer-beware-update-on-ko-henkei-seekers/20380/ -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:03, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::I am not sure I want to attach more template boxes to pages as is. Especially over something like knockoffs. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:55, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::I'd ''thought'' about a template, but... ehn. I think a simple link under the TFU.info (or whatever), perhaps with a bolded "'''Knockoff alert'''" text. Like...

::::*''[http://www.highendtfs.com/?q=node/17 '''Knockoff alert''': More information on packaged imitations of this toy at HighendTFs.com]''

:::Thoughts? This would ONLY cover stuff that is in packaging meant to deceive you by looking as real as they can get it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:05, 19 December 2010 (EST)

::::I could agree with that. This is a step beyond your standard knock off crap, some notice might be appropriate.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:44, 19 December 2010 (EST)

:::::I think it is a good idea to have it, since it is useful. This is different from putting info of some KO or unlicensed products on the page. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:49, 19 December 2010 (EST)

== Extension:Oversight ==

Quite a few times I've seen admins delete and undelete pages to clean out bad revisions. Why they do this I have no idea, since we have [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Oversight the Oversight extension] installed.

Perhaps we should look into granting some people "oversighter" access? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:09, 25 December 2010 (EST)
:I've just noticed that deleting and then restoring pages in the manner mentioned above has the side effect of resetting a page's page views stats, so that's another point in favour of the Oversight extension. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:40, 11 January 2011 (EST)

== Wikipedia, revisited ==

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#The_.22Campaign_of_Deletion.22_against_the_Transformers_Wiki_Project_by_NotARealWord_and_TFWiki.net]

Just in case anyone's interested. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 10:54, 5 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log back in)
:NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:21, 5 January 2011 (EST)

== Captcha to prevent spambots? ==

Is there any way we could implement captcha to account creation to prevent the spambot problem we're having now? I've seen other wikis use that measure. Maybe also disable new page creation by anons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:56, 6 January 2011 (EST)
:We already have CAPTCHA implemented on the account creation service. --[[Special:Contributions/84.193.193.10|84.193.193.10]] 13:09, 6 January 2011 (EST) (-Blackout-, can't be bothered to log in)
::Never mind, then! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:30, 6 January 2011 (EST)

== Real world events by day Category ==

These of course comprise every date of the year. However, I notice recently people have been adding fictional events to these dates. That basically invalidates the Category, since it's no longer comprised of only real-world events. The fictional events should be moved out into another section, or the category name should be changed to "Events by day". Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 22:01, 9 January 2011 (EST)
:I agree with changing to "Events by day". I would also support having separate fictional and real world sections on the pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:38, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Project Wonderful ads ==

Um, guys, I found there [http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/53018-1293943633.gif Non-official products] in the ads of CapturedPrey. I know the small ads are showing up randomly (and may not be controllable since we can't regulate them), but I think it is still need to be reported here. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:04, 16 January 2011 (EST)
: I don't mind them in the non-permanent ads. TFSource used them all the time in their ads before we made them permanent sponsors. It was only when we made them a permanent sponsor did we ask to make them free of third-party product. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 01:54, 16 January 2011 (EST)

User talk:Detour

2010-12-17T04:28:20Z

65.60.213.194: /* Emperor of Terror Scorponok */

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Movie Jolt vs Movie Jolt==
Sorry if the post about Jolt not being confused with the previously released Jolt wasn't a good one... Just thought it was sort of a unique case that should be addressed, what with there being two movie Jolts, and unlike the 2007 one which didn't appear in any movies and has since been changed to a different character, also not appearing in the movies, the new Jolt is in the movie. I know that's what disambiguation is for, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of trivia that a movie character's name was already used in the movieverse, though for a different character. (not including the whole movie Arcee thing) -Cliffjumper Prime

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:My bad. Haven't watched TMNT since the original toon. And I was never into Renaissance art or whatever era the artist namesake was from. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Airazor caption ==

Hi. I was wondering what was wrong with the old caption for the Airazor photo.
:Essentially, there's nothing wrong with the toy so criticizing it like that is pointless. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I didn't think the caption was meant as a criticism of the toy. I thought it was meant to point out that though she was designed as a female figure, she didn't really turn out looking any more female than any other Transformer (excluding Arcee and Thunderblast). But humor is subjective, and what I find somewhat funny might not seem funny at all to someone else.
:::Airazor was designed as a male figure. The toy/character only became female on the insistence of the show writers. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::::We're talking about the caption for the Transmetal figure. I thought that one was designed from the start to be female.
:::::... oh! Did not realize. Sorry. Ignore me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 09:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

== Blurr ==

He is known to be a member, which should be enough, but he is also known to appear again later in the season, both through the footage from Dubai and the teasers released on the blog. That's why I said that I believed that it ws exception enough if he wasn't a member, it wouldn't need to be moved, but both together seem to be compelling enough.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Look at your talk page, anything Dubai-related ''should not'' be discussed here in any capacity. We are not gloryhounds like Seibertron trying to be the first ones to announce every single giant spoiler of every single piece of media. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::That's great, but that's not what I am trying to say. He was announced as a character a while ago, before Dubai, and on one of the creator blogs. He's known to be in the Elite Guard, and we even know who his American voice actor is. We've even had him make his first appearance. Dubai just confirmed an episode he reappears in. That's all I'm trying to say - that we know he's in the guard, and we have confirmation from various sources of a future appearance. Hell, that we've listed his voice actor should be confirmation enough.
::And I didn't make the edit to spread spoilers - I did it to add info to a wiki, when the info is confirmed. Yes, we should not be obsessed with news, but neither should we put blinders on and wait until info is months or years old. (Hyperbole, but you get my point)[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Rabbicrater Edits ==

Just FYI, the edits HooperX made were capitalizing on the fact that Rabbicrater looks like his name contains the word "rabbi", when in fact it's meant to be most of the word "rabbit". The caption gag of "L'chaim" thus becomes more obvious, though I like the current one better. As for the miscellaneous trivia, I think it's an attempt at a callback to one of the final scenes from the Mel Brooks film ''History of the World, Part 1''. So not TOTAL nonsense.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, well I don't know much about Judaism so "L'chaim" is kind of flying over my head right now (and I believe even if explained, the Yaoi Kiss Players joke will still be funnier)... And the misc trivia, well History Of The World Part 1 is one of the Mel Brooks films I have not yet had the pleasure of watching... Even then, it's kind of out of place in the same paragraph as the info about the rabbit on the moon... if Hooper wants to bring it back I would suggest he add another asterisk paragraph to point it out... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::Long story short, a robot with the word "Rabbi" in his name, even if it actually has to do with "rabbit" is ripe for Judaism gags. "L'Chaim!" is a traditional exclamation of celebration. Originally, I was just gonna put the lyrics to Hava Nagila up there, but hey. The Kiss Players thing I had to stop and stare at - the two dudes humping are kind of cut out of the frame. But hey, whatever. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::FWIW, "L'chaim" is a traditional Hebrew version of "Cheers!" and literally means "To life!" I'm up for ethnic humor as much as the <s>next</s> previous guy, but I still find the KP gag funnier in this case. The thought of "Hava Negila" lyrics as a caption does make me grin, though...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Real Gear hairdryer ==

Good you took that out for now, I was just too exited to post a unreleased toy for the Movie line, so I did not stop to check if it was real or not. I'm currently looking for more info on it and will put that back up once I found proof.
By the way, what do the read minus numbers next to your edit mean?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
-Edit, I fell for a joke! it was just a joke to take the piss of the US toy gun law.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:Number of characters (letters and spaces) added or removed from the total article length by this edit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:45, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::....what? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Hi ==

I'm listening and I'm sorry [[User:Gyro-Robo|Gyro-Robo]] 22:43, 8 June 2008

== Mayhem Suppression Squad‎ ==

Hello ^^ I removed the [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]] from the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] members because [[:Category:Mayhem Suppression Squad‎]] is already under [[:Category: Shattered Glass characters]]. Just like [[Killbison]] only under [[:Category:Breastforce]] which is contained by Combiners, Decepticons, and Victory characters. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 00:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

== 1989 Character Models ==
Howdy! I saw the Bumblebee & Jazz pretender models. Do you happen to have higher resolution versions of these images that you'd be willing to share with me? Do you have any more images from this era? (The Ark III needs your help!) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

== Drift ==

Fine, have it your way! This site could be something awesome for everybody, yet guys like you persist in making it a refuge for your snide insults and negativity. --[[User:Hutch|Hutch]] 03:47, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:If it helps... even some of us here think Detour takes the AHM-bashing to ridiculous extremes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:23, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Except a lot of what he yanked out was stuff not even written by me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:25, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Some of us are OK with desnarking the overly-snarked articles. Thankfully Rosicrucian just redid the removal. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 04:29, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, he yanked different parts, and rewrote another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:33, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
Man, just let it go. We're trying to make the trivia sections ''smaller'', y'know.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

No! Much, much bigger! I'm good with keeping the Poochie theme for SL: Drift's page, but we really, really gotta get a reference to Rurouni Kenshin on a Drift image somewhere down the line! I can't imagine McCarthy not having Kenshin in some corner of his mind when he was creating Drift. "Oh man, he'll be an ex-assassin, with a dark past he regrets, and he carries a special sword! AWESOME!" --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 16:20, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

==Vandalism?==
Thanks for fixing my page, I appreciate it. Apparently Mr. Anon didn't take too kindly from me having to up and leave his little "discussion". People gotta go do other things besides argue with somebody on the other side of the computer all day. So do you know how severe punishment is for vandalizing someone's User Page?---[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:15, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:In this case, I'm inclined to believe it was a simple accident. The guy isn't really all that wiki savvy, and may have just clicked on your sig and thought it was your talkpage. He's... well, I don't hold any illusions he's going to be a productive user here, but he's on a dynamic IP and isn't outright harmful so I'm not sure what a block would accomplish.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:17, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::True, I didn't take that into account. I tend to jump to the vandalism claim (or any claim honestly) a little too gung-ho sometimes, and this is one of those times.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:27, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:::S'okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I said my cursor didn't hover over the block button on him while I thought about it. Trouble is his two IPs so far don't even seem to share a common subnet, so even an IP range ban wouldn't be viable. If he becomes genuinely abusive lemme know and I'd be happy to play whack-a-mole with his IPs.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:31, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm new here. Won't happen again, trust me.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 20:59, 12 June 2009 (EDT)

*Z-z-zay, is it no vandalism to undo the another's additionz-z-z-z without any explanation? What's wrong with z-z-z-z-them?--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 01:11, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:They didn't make any sense. You should stick to adding to the synopsis/etc. because your English seems to slip right down to nonsensical when you do captions. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:47, 1 December 2009 (EST)

==Barricade ROTF DS game==
Why instand of deleting it why dont you fix all my misspelling i have the game and all barricade parts are true.--[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:So... the burden is on ''us'' to fix what you write?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Because neither I nor anyone else on the wiki is your personal spellchecker. If you want your edits to stick, put some effort into it and that includes using proper English. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:07, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one ==

"The identity of ze little one is a bit on the fraught side. In the flyover shot of the barge on which the four Constructicons sit, a red bulldozer (Rampage), a concrete mixer (Mixmaster), a dump truck (Long Haul) and a yellow front-end loader are visible. The yellow front-end loader is the alternate mode of the Constructicon Scrapper, and ze little one's robot mode appears to be the same as Scrapper's. As such, the temptation to just consider this a Scrapper unit is great... except that, after the flyover shot, the yellow loader disappears, and is replaced with a yellow Volvo excavator, clearly marked with a large Decepticon insignia. For the purposes of reducing headaches, we're assuming that the excavator is the "correct" vehicle mode, and that it just happens to transform into a robot mode that resembles Scrapper...even though it's not him. "

I wasn't aware of the decision that had reached on the "Ze little one" page, so I didn't realize that this was the reasoning being used. I can agree with this, and I'm sorry the discussion got so hostile. Have a great week.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:30, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== SG Ark & SG Nemesis ==

I'd just have Derik's bot fix those links along with the rest. I only fixed the others because there was about 2-3 links each instead of the 60+ for those two pages. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

==Thanks for giving me my username==

Seriously best alias ever [[User:Potty Mouth Anon|Potty Mouth Anon]] 01:55, 21 August 2009 (EDT)

== TFA: S.P.'s amnesia ==

You completely sure about that? Seemed like a kind of joke to me - Wasp going through this whole list of humiliation and Sentinel denying it while keeping a straight face.
EDIT: sorry for double posting, my browser's acting a little strange [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:26, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
:Except Sentinel finishes the scene by saying "Wait a minute, that was you?" He genuinely doesn't remember, only recalling it then and there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:27, 25 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oookay, my bad. Seems like his ego is powerful enough to erase memories of minor, non-significant beings like Wasp, Bee or Bulky... [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 13:45, 25 August 2009 (EDT)

==Deaths of Optimus Prime "fanon"==
That... wasn't fanon. It was more awkwardly phrased, but consistent with how it was portrayed in the episode. Aerialbots even say, to my recollection, that there are "others at the hanger." Elita-1 was rebuilt. Dion wasn't mentioned. What part of that is fanon, and why did that give you the right to allcaps that dude into submission for it? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:17, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well it explicitly said in the anon guy's contribution way back there that "Ariel and Dion were also rebuilt" (followed by an awkward parenthesis saying Ariel at least). Plus, the episode itself is awkwardly phrased... Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel" as though he actually meant to say "there's another one back at the hangar, his girlfriend Ariel". After Orion is rebuilt as Prime, there's no concern for any "others" and they only speak of Ariel, whom Alpha Trion says he'll "send droids out for". No mention at all that he'd rebuild other casualties of the hangar massacre. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:32, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
::Another interpretation: Slingshot says "There are others back at the hangar, [for example] his girlfriend Ariel." Otherwise, he's not being correct when he says there are "otherS" there. Plural. I'm not saying that Alpha Trion rebuilt anybody other than Prime and Elita, or that we have any evidence thereof. I'm saying what the guy wrote, in that particular revision, was technically correct. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:50, 6 October 2009 (EDT)
:::The ''best'' kind of correct. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:06, 6 October 2009 (EDT)

== the Peter Cullen photo. ==

I know the person who is in that picture. I thought it would be fun depicting him being the nice guy that he is. If you want me to identify where I got the image from, I can link you right to the source. [[User:Unicron|Unicron]] 02:59, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

== editing ==

sorry about the starscream page, but did you really have to edit out '''''everything''''' I did? [[User:Masterman555|Masterman555]] 22:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, yeah. You screwed up the formatting and the order of figures in the toy section, messed with captions and changed all the thumbnails to ungodly huge sizes. It's pretty standard procedure to undo that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Robot Heroes Thrust eyes==
Thank you for correcting that, I just took an even closer look to the toy and realized I had made a mistake.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:39, 12 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

Oh come on, dude. We can take the piss out of IDW sometimes, but that last edit was a bit much.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:43, 12 November 2009 (EST)
:Not even my words there. But like a lot have said... Continuum is pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. And really, their own page needs a dose of piss-taking-out too, no matter how slight. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:46, 12 November 2009 (EST)
What Rosi said. No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 12 November 2009 (EST)

==British English spellings==
Please read [[Help:Style_guide#National_varieties_of_English]], it mentions guidelines to spelling that may help you. As Club material is published by a company based in Texas, I went with the American English. Keep British English spelling in the UK articles. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 10:06, 21 November 2009 (EST)

==Captions==
Detour, He-l-en has been contributing to the Armada episode articles in a generally positive manner. Please stop reverting her caption changes. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:27, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:Positive, yes, but thus far little more than minor summary changes in Armada... followed by large doses of captioning. I'll lay off since you asked me. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:01, 29 November 2009 (EST) (I can still change his captions to different ones if I come up with better ones, though, right?)
::I am trying to handle the situation in a delicate manner; He-l-en is both a new user and someone whose first language is not English, so we cannot immediately expect her to know every facet of our policy right away. Reverting a person's edits without telling them why is not a good way to grow new users. I'm just trying to be courteous. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:15, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::Well, it's not like we don't always revert people who aren't doing anything but changing captions. He-l-en is at least also contributing a little bit of info, but we still generally tell people to leave the captions alone when they're new and just worry about adding actual info to the articles. (And it's not like we don't have plenty of Help guides available to read, either...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 06:20, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::::''We'' know we change people's captions back, yes, but I am inclined to be more lenient to someone who has only been around for two days... hrm. Actually, I am inspired. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:57, 29 November 2009 (EST)
:::::His English seems to have landslided down to "nonsensical" once he started editing captions... Can I revert those, at least? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Sideways Part-swapping pics ==

Detour-
I do have pics of the part-swapped Sideways, however I am not sure how to upload them to the Wiki and add them to the page. If you'd like, I can e-mail them to you if you PM Ultrawave over at TFW2005 (that is my account). Unless there is another way to upload them that I am not aware of? [[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 04:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

Made a Photobucket and uploaded my pic to satisfy your curiousity-- [http://i1015.photobucket.com/albums/af279/Blitzgear/DSCN0897.jpg] =)[[Special:Contributions/131.191.68.29|131.191.68.29]] 18:44, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Sari Edit ==
why did you edit my addition to the page? what i typed was factual. --[[User:0utrun|0utrun]] 23:16, 30 December 2009 (EST)

== Blackarachnia "hit it with a shovel" joke ==

Why do you deem it so important to take the joke out? It works, it fills an empty caption space, so why? Seriously, Why? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:09, 6 January 2010 (EST)

== Lockdown's position as a bounty hunter. ==

This isn't something like revealing the gimmicks to a toy or an electronic voice, or even a street date. It's no secret that the ROTF figure is based off a "bounty hunter", you've seen the card say he's a "bounty hunter" regardless if it isn't officially released, is the addition of a category "Bounty Hunter" seriously enough to get you this unnecessarily riled up? It's not like I'm saying something like he's an Autobot sympathizer or something. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 02:20, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==Captions==
No one appointed '''you''' the master of captioning. You're acting like a goddamn jackboot, so take a time-out. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:59, 6 January 2010 (EST)

==My Grammar==
Well i going to tell you why i have bad grammar, i have good grammar BUT i type so freaking Fast in result i make typos, Aslo there some words that i cant spell, aslo i try to slow down but then i start to write fast again -Eagc7
: Then either slow down enough so you can write competently, or don't write at all so we don't spend so much time cleaning up your amazingly-sized mess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:38, 29 January 2010 (EST)

== Why did you remove my edit? ==

The article discusses fanfiction, so I named two common pairings as an example. It seemed relevant. [[User:CH|CH]] 16:25, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Because the fandom is so large, fragmented and clique-esque that there's really no way to measure what's relevant/common unless it's completely widespread, as in to the point that even average fans that don't read fanfic are familiar with the concepts used. Megatron/Starscream pairings probably predate Beast Wars itself, Starscream/Alexis was a freakin' epidemic for a time. Those are somewhat "worthy" of mention (in a squicky infamous way). Prime/Mikaela and Bumblebee/Sam, however? Although I'm not shocked they exist, I don't believe the average fans would know for certain that they do. And it isn't really quite as notable (again, Starscream/Alexis being an epidemic), no more than hypothetical pairings like Cheetor/Una or Sky-Byte/Koji.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::''Friend of Autobots''
::''Sometimes he talks to me too''
::''My spark fills with joy'' --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:18, 8 February 2010 (EST)

== Right..... ==

[http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Beast_Machines_(cartoon)&curid=15&diff=430695&oldid=430694 What was that weird edit summary all about?] --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:56, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Look at your keyboard, and look at each letter to the left of the letter I typed. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:12, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::It seems we use very different keyboards. All I'm getting is gibberish. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:32, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::It says "something's wrong with my eyes," okay? Big hairy deal. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== Double dash template ==
Works just 100% fine on Opera and in Firefox and in IE7, so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. The whole purpose it was created was to clear things without creating gaps above the headers. So stop changing it every time I fix the formatting, as you're driving me insane and I'm going to start reverting you every time you do it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:Well it doesn't work on me in neither IE nor Firefox. So clearly the coding for it must be flawed somehow. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:22, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::IIRC, you're one of the folks using IE6, aren't you? That would explain that part, if so. As for Firefox, it works fine on Firefox for me, so I just don't know what you're talking about there. (I also checked IE7 and it works fine there as well...)
::But in any case, bring it up with Derik to fix any problems rather than constantly removing it, considering the whole reason the template exists to begin with is to solve an issue folks used to be griping about. About the only issue I've ever had is that there has to be no line return space between the dash template and the following header, but that's easily tweaked while editing. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'm one of the five people on Earth still using IE6. I like the button layout better, sue me. But I do have Firefox 3.5.6 and <nowiki>{{--}}</nowiki> does the same amount of jack squattage. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:04, 27 February 2010 (EST)
::::You do realize button layouts are easily changed in most browsers, yes? (And I'd think lots of broken sites with missing features would be a bigger annoyance... having to surf using IE6 at one of my jobs last year was downright painful, it's missing so many useful standards.)
::::But, like I said, never had issues with FF at all. And even if there are, again, have Derik tweak the CSS, rather than unfixing the formatting fixes. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:13, 27 February 2010 (EST)

== *sigh* "first edit ever" ==

fact is I've been editing over the years and adding useful tid bits here and there, but the wiki just can't seem to hold a proper account. so I start a new and get treated like a punk. gratitude for ya.

And yeah, the tone really isn't to my liking. Derek J Wyatt puts down Beachcomber and everyone treats it as canon that the character is not well liked. well I like him! And think the article should be more even handed.

So tell me, how am I supposed to get started here? I can't edit "the funny" as I've been told the last time I tried a permanent account, I can't help to rewrite an article, what do you want from me? When to I earn the right to call out the Beach Comber page for being offensive? --[[User:Stly92|Stly92]] 01:15, March 18, 2010 (EST)

== Jim-Bob's Diner is indeed a reference to James Roberts ==

[[Maximum Dinobots issue 2|Jim-Bob's Diner]] is, in fact, a reference to ''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' co-writer [[James Roberts]]. Nick Roche said it himself [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=161572#161572]. (At first, '''I''' thought--and was '''very sure'''--it was a reference to '''Jim''' Salicrup and '''Bob''' Budiansky.) --[[User:Jeff39042|Jeff39042]] 19:40, 11 April 2010 (EDT)
:Well then that belongs in the Notes... not a confusing random link in the middle of the synopsis. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:06, 11 April 2010 (EDT)

== Last Dutch Issue ==

The IP Anon [[Special:Contributions/195.240.16.74|195.240.16.74]] removed the "last Dutch issue" sentence from "[[The Void! (US)|The Void!]]" because he was shifting it to "[[On the Edge of Extinction!]]" Now, this may require verification (which is why I'm not undoing your reversal yet), but at least it's not a random act of Anon vandalism.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 11:24, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, I reverted it before he did the rest. I don't know who to ask for verification, though. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:50, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Looks like the anon was actually [[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] not logged in. Good enough to allow now, or do we still need a citation? Sunjumper mentions on his anon-IP talk page (linked in just above, there) where he saw mention of the last-issue status.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 13:13, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If he's Dutch, sure. You're in the better position to make that call anyway. :p --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:41, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Based on his recent contribution to the BW article, I'd say he his. Well and good, then.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:18, 10 May 2010 (EDT)

== Anon-made G1 Cast List ==

I'll grant I didn't do more than a rough glance over it, so I can't vouch for its accuracy, but it WAS in keeping with our formatting for other TV series' front pages. Granted, the cast's much larger and so may be too overwhelming a list for the page, but in principle, it wasn't a ''wrong'' idea. Might be worth adding a notice as to why the G1 TV series page would differ in that respect from other series'.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:29, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Toy Swapping ==

Look, I am sorry to keep adding tat. I just thought it was important to have in the article, because it was under the same idea. And just so you know, this whole website is full of crappy, big, poorly written sections and just want to help improve some facts not added. So you can take that comment and stick it were it belongs. I just tried to add something.

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== Toy Swapping 2 ==

I am sorry for the previous comment made by myself about the edit. I was in a really bad mood and would not tolerate anything. I will stop trying to edit or fix any articles to fix things that people deleted that I made. I do sincerly apologize. People have been quite rude to me on this website and I was starting to get stressed. Not to mention I have major anger manigment issues. I am quite sorry for my comments.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 12:37, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hey. ==

Yo, be quiet bitch. {{unsigned|TheRex4441}}
:Keep it polite, please. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:39, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== Prime VAs ==

The editor was right about Optimus & Megatron's VAs, he just didn't have the right source. (It was revealed in a recent BotCon panel.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:12, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

==edit war==
If this edit war does not stop in five minutes and people don't stop getting aggressive at each other, all three of you are getting a time-out. The note is pretty pointless, at best it would be only on Prime Soundwave's page. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:28, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

==Translation help==
Hey, Detour. Since you speak French, could you help me by correcting any bad translations I have for the French ''Animated'' episode titles [[User:Interrobang/Crap|here]]? Thanks! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:24, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:Done. Egads, epic fail on the dub team on translating Five Servos Of Doom. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:06, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Thanks! That was one of the titles that threw me off. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:21, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cloaca joke? ==

Was there something wrong with [[Airazor (BW)|it]]? [[Special:Contributions/72.229.51.77|72.229.51.77]] 15:22, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Anon reverts==
When a dude changes something, and you change it back, and he changes it back with comment asking why it's changed... it might be better, if you're going to simply revert it again, to at least leave a comment of your own, explaining why? If he's explaining his actions, you owe that same courtesy back, even if he's in the wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:25, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
:You're absolutely right, and I can't for the life of me remember WHY I didn't do just that. It's been hectic in my neck of the woods these past few days, I apologize. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:02, 28 July 2010 (EDT)
::Come to think of it, I think the reason might've been that I meant to leave the explanation on his talk page, but ended up being sidetracked by other things. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:03, 28 July 2010 (EDT)

== Nice caption ==

<nowiki>:</nowiki>D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:40, 15 August 2010 (EDT)
:Hah, I was just waiting for someone to add a pic of him so I could throw add that caption. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:41, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

== Decepticon Drone ==

I am sorry. I thought it looked simmilar, due to the Red T visor, silver and black head, but not the body.

== [[Katsuyuki Konishi]] and [[Frank Miller]] ==

My joke(s) may be weak, but
#I wasn't violating any [[Transformers Wiki:Caption|caption policies]].
#I uploaded the [[Frank Miller]] image. I deserve a caption or something.
#[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Links that overexplain jokes|Explaining the joke is not funny]].
#(Regarding the link I put at the Konishi caption):
:* A straight quote from Gurren Lagann isn't really very funny by itself.
:* Frank Miller isn't someone you'd think to find on TFWiki. I'd like to show people that he does belong here and how nteresting a coincidence it is, that ''both'' sources of the line contributed to TF. I imagine people reading the link would be like: "Oh yeah, there's also that. Wait, this wiki has an article on F. Miller? What has he got to do with TF? Gonna check that."
But really, I'm more upset about your changing of the caption at Frank Miller for reason number 2. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 10:38, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Why are you reverting everything? ==

Why the fuck are you reverting every single edit you see? Is that the only thing you can do? Is is your sole mission to not contribute, but revert everyone else who tries to? Sure, you could just change the singe byte of offending material, BUT NO, YOU HAVE TO REVERT THE WHOLE GODDAMN EDIT. You've been doing this for as long as I've been observing. Also, you've been up my ass about everything the whole time I've been here. Haven't you been blocked before for this kind of thing? --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:01, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:Detour spends a lot of time on the wiki so he often sees poor/vandalistic edits before other editor do. Usually his reversions have been supported by the majority of editors, when he goes over the line Walky puts him in his place. My question is, why are you so sensitive? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:37, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
::If you've been up my ass too, you would see that this is the first time I've exploded over seomthing like this. I have been putting up with shit like this since I started editing here. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 10:47, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know, just looking over your previous edits you seemed rather upset about things on the [[Twitcher F451]], [[Derrick J. Wyatt]], [[Starscream (BWII)]] and [[Shelfwarmer]] pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:52, 5 October 2010 (EDT)
* WHY ARE YOU REVERTING EVERUTHING???????????????--[[User:He-l-en1959|Waz-z-z-zpinator59]] 10:15, 7 November 2010 (EST)

== Dalek ==

For your information, there is incorrect information on that page, that must be changed. The Daleks were never first called "Mark 3 travel machines" that is wrong. The were first called Daleks. The machine the ride in was first a Mark 1 Travel Machines, then a Mark 2 Travel Machine, and finally a Mark 3 Travel Machine. It was Davros who called the machine they ride in Mark 3 Travel Machine, but the creatures are called Daleks, and they were first called Kaleds before being mutated into Daleks. I don't know were the hell you got that from but they are also not cyborgs. They are creatures inside tanks basically. I was correcting that. Get your facts right before delete something I did. Trust me, I know more about the Daleks then you. Thus, my user name is LORD DALEK. That is why I am constantly changing that page. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:40, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:Except all that is irrelevant to what was said about Daleks within ''Transformers fiction'', which is what this Wiki is about. And I know plenty about Daleks. Don't assume you're some sort of lone Doctor Who fan on this wiki.--[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:42, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

Fine, I will stop editing the part that is in the comic, BUT THE INFORMATION IN THE NOTES IS WRONG!!! And I also did not say anything about being "a lone Doctor Who fan" I just was saying you undid my edit that was correcting incorrect statements. [[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 15:52, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
: That thing Detour linked to when he reverted you sure seems to think you're wrong. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::I found two sources that go against what LordDalek is claiming. One is a general science fiction Wiki and the other is the TARDIS Index File, the Doctor Who Wiki (which we link Doctor Who-related articles to). --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::ARGG! I have proof that what you said was wrong. Look, you right, they weren't called Daleks, nor they were Mark 3 Travel Machines. They were called merely mutants. Read this:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davros|His solution is to remove all emotions pertaining to weakness, a category in which he groups such emotions as compassion, mercy and kindness, and place the mutants in tank-like "Mark III travel machines" partly based on the design of his wheelchair. He later names these creatures Daleks, an anagram of Kaleds.][[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:07, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::: Yyyyeah. You seem to be quoting the fictional history at us, while we're talking about the actual behind-the-scenes history of the characters. The comment you removed will stay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Actually, from a behind-the-scenes standpoint the name Dalek came first. But Who fiction-wise, it was established in a later serial (Genesis of the Daleks, the Daleks's origin story) that the original name of a Dalek was a Mark III Travel Machine. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_of_the_Daleks "At that moment, Davros enters the laboratory, and demonstrates his new "Mark III travel machine", which he later dubs as a "Dalek"."]. If you want the note to focus less on fiction and more on production, I can always tweak it. But it's still a factual note one way or another. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:25, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
Better yet, read this: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek_variants|For the most part a Dalek is simply a Dalek.Notable exceptions usually refer to rank, such as "Emperor" and "Supreme Dalek", although in Genesis of the Daleks Davros refers to the newly created Dalek casing as a "Mark 3 Travel Machine".] For the last bloody time, Mark 3 Travel Machines refers to the CASING not the actual creature.
[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:14, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Listen ItsWalky, when the Daleks first appeared in 1963 THEY WERE CALLED DALEKS. Davros is part of the fictional history, and the real creator of the Daleks was Terry Nation, and he called them Daleks. There. I now have fictional and behind the scenes evidence. The comment must be removed.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:29, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why would you ''ever'' want to err on the side of ''removing'' information rather than clarifying it? When is less information better?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:15, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

== This place is worse than Nazi Germany ==

SIEG HEIL, DON'T FUCK WITH THE LITTLE TRANSFORMER WIKIPEDIA. WE ONLY LIKE SOME POINTLESS ADDITIONS, NOT A LOT.

Fucking hypocrites. You included, Spanish twit.--[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 18:13, 8 November 2010 (EST)
:Please mind your language. And this kind of tantrum-throwing won't exactly have people joining your side in the argument. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:18, 8 November 2010 (EST)

== Fanmodes ==

I got the impression, per the "Fan-configurations of toys" discussion in the community portal, that we ''don't'' avoid fan modes, that brief mention of such is okay. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:58, 19 November 2010 (EST)

== Koiter brothers ==

Thanks for catching that spelling error I missed on their names! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:36, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Grimstone ==

Grimstone's drones' Mini-Con compatibilities are '''not''' mentionned on their own page.

== Ahem ==

Why did you revert my talk page edit regarding the doctor who connection on Talk:Death's Head?
NVM I see, I screwed it up.

== Emperor of Terror Scorponok ==

What's wrong with his edits? He seems to be adding several paragraphs of information, which you delete entirely. I see one or two typos here or there, but wouldn't it be easier to fix those than just remove his large amounts of work whole-hog? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:Believe me, I've been mulling over that myself, but ultimately, it's more than just typos. A lot of his sentences just don't read right and would ultimately require full rewrites. Figured someone else starting again from scratch would be better than a Cleanup tag... But if I'm wrong in this, sorry. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:23, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:: The English doesn't really read that badly. It's simple, but better than the nothing we have now. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 23:28, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 36

2010-11-27T21:08:47Z

65.60.213.194: sweet, a magazine!

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'''TRANSFORMERS PRIME: IT'S HERE!'''

=Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue #36=
'''Editor-In-Chief:''' [[Brian Savage]] 
'''Editor:''' [[Pete Sinclair]] 
'''Creative Director/Layout:''' [[Lanny Lathem]] 
'''Associate Editor:''' [[Ben Yee]] 
'''Associate Editor:''' [[Jesse Wittenrich]] 
'''Research Editor:''' [[Karl Hartman]] 
'''Columnist:''' [[Rob Meyer]] 
'''Head Proofreader:''' [[Heather Choplin]] 
'''Contributor:''' [[David Willis]] 
'''Resident Colorist:''' [[Drew Eiden]] 
'''Resident Artist:''' [[Evan Gauntt]] 
'''Staff:''' [[Greg Sepelak]] and [[Trent Troop]] 
'''TCC SD Dion Design:''' [[Jason Metcalf]] 
'''Featured Artists:''' [[Casey Coller]]

==Contents==
* On the cover: ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' promotional image

* Brian's Bytes and Bolts, From the Editor's Desk (inside cover)

* "A Closer Look with [[Paul Eiding]]!" (p. 3)

* ''Transformers: Prime'' (pp. 4-6) - Interview with [[Duane Capizzi]] and [[David Hartman]]

* Profile: [[Ironfist]] (p. 6)

* Profile: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (p. 7)

* Transformers Collectors' Club 2011 exclusives! (p.8) - Digital mockups of [[Side Burn (Timelines)|Side Burn]], [[Cheetor (Animated)|Transtech Cheetor]], and [[Ramjet (G1)|G2 Ramjet]].

* "[[The Coming Storm: Part 6]]" - comic story (pp. 9-14)

* Transformers Comic Spotlight: [[Generation 2: Redux]]

* ''[[Around Cybertron]]'' ([[Wings of Honor continuity|Wings of Honor]] version), "Featured Fan Art!" with "Soundwave" by Shannon Scott, ''[[Recordicons]]''

==Notes==

[[Category:Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issues]]

Cheetor (Animated)

2010-11-09T23:58:30Z

65.60.213.194:

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Cheetor}}
[[Image:AnimatedTranstechCheetor-CharacterModel.jpg|thumb|200px|Homage Möbius strip]]

:''Cheetor is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]]''

There's nothing '''Cheetor''' loves more than chasing down [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] at incredibly high speeds. However, when caught up in the thrill of the chase, he tends to ignore his surroundings; street signs, traffic, and any unfortunate [[Autobot]] who gets in his way is bound to be ran right over! Because of this, the Precinct tends to keep rotating Cheetor from partner to partner; no 'bot in their right mind would want this turbo-revving young punk on their backs!

==Toys==
===Timelines===
*'''Transtech Cheetor'''<ref name="calledttcheetor">[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74379&view=findpost&p=1681382 Pete Sinclair]: Let me clarify the current position. He is part of the Animated line. He is an "Animated" exclusive. He is known as Transtech Cheetor. How those two work together will be revealed down the road... </ref> (Deluxe, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Telescoping grill energy saw

:A [[Transformers Collectors Club]]-[[Exclusive|exclusive]] [[retool]] of [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]], Cheetor transforms into a sleek futuristic race car. A button on his hood deploys an energy saw weapon which can double as a shield or clip onto his back in robot mode. Due to his leg design, the very middle of Cheetor's rear wheels are the only parts that roll, while the sides do not. These parts stick out a hair, though, so his mobility in vehicle mode is unhindered.

:His feet can swivel and have ball-jointed toes and heels, which lets him easily pull off running poses, if you can see him doing that sort of thing.
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
* Cheetor is a veritable hoop of homages! Obviously, he's based on [[Transtech]] Cheetor, who was going to be an upgraded version of the original [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. However, after Transtech was scrapped, [[Fun Publications]] did a [[TransTech]] storyline featuring a [[Cheetor (TransTech)|DIFFERENT Cheetor]]. In the meantime, Transtech Cheetor's design was an inspiration for [[Blurr (Animated)|Animated Blurr]], who he's a retool of. Finally, his colors are based on the [[Beast Machines]] version of Cheetor. Phew!

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:Exclusives]]
[[Category:Animated characters]]
[[Category:Autobots]]

Talk:Mindset (G2)

2010-10-27T14:20:57Z

65.60.213.194: /* 2010 */

==Onslaught==

Didn't Starscream steal the 'personality components' of the Combaticons from Cybertron in the G1 cartoon? This would mean that Onslaught existed before his familiar form did, and as such could have budded Mindset before being imprisoned. Of course, that'd mean you'd be mixing the cartoon and the comics together as one, which probably leads to all sorts of problems. But it's a thought. [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 19:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:They were certainly stolen but the comic is a different state of affairs - in US G1 continuity Starscream is out of action between issues #19 and some point off panel between #41 & #47 (okay he's around a bit more in the UK continuity but that already explains the Combaticons). There is the infamous cameo of Defensor in issue #47, and as the Headmasters cast don't appear to have had contact with Earth yet have the combining Technobots and Terrorcons amongst them it's possible the Combaticons came from Cybertron, similar to the Predacons.

:But the real problem with all this is that if Onslaught participated in the budding then one has to wonder why Megatron's/Bludgeon's Decepticons don't know about it - why for instance does Bludgeon need the Matrix for new warriors?

:One possibility is that Onslaught isn't Mindset's "father" but rather a sibling or even an off shoot who was deemed unworthy and never taken with the Cybertronians. It's been a while since I've read that scene but I don't recall it being as clear-cut as the "Mindset is descended from Onslaught" as it's presented here. [[User:Timrollpickering|Timrollpickering]] 15:59, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== 2010 ==

We sure it's the same guy and not just a homage movie character? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:54, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:It's the ''Transformers'' toyline, so he's whomever you want him to be. Hasbro's not into limiting your options these days. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:36, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::That said, I'm guessing his Reveal the Shield isn't a Cybertronian faction symbol. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Allegedly, Hasbro at Botcon said this Mindset would be an Autobot. If anyone could confirm or deny this, great, otherwise we'll just wait to "Reveal the Shield" ourselves. [[Special:Contributions/128.83.129.124|128.83.129.124]] 11:52, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Hasbro has said that that new toy was ''the'' Mindset. So... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: They also said that Sea Spray was ''the'' Seaspray, but he fights movie-verse guys. So... (Not saying Mindset isn't Mindset, but pointing to Hasbro's in-person claims isn't 100% proof.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:44, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::So? Sea Spray gets around. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:23, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::It's just that we have a policy that tells us to put toys on the page they belong to not on pages of characters they share the name with, remember when Hasbro said that ROTF Lockdown was ''the'' Animated character just in movie styling? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:55, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::It's very possible that Mindset's toy will move, but until we know otherwise, this is a good place for it. He does ship with G1 Jazz and G1 Tracks, after all. He's not in a movieverse toyline. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::Hasbro seems to take a more mythic approach to their characters these days. If it has the same name, they seem to consider it the same character regardless of the universe in which any associated fiction (including bios) places it. If we were to follow their lead, it would totally destroy the organization of this wiki. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:31, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::No "these days" about it. All Optimus Primes are the same guy has always been their approach. We are not attempting to "follow their lead" here. This is merely the best place to put the information until we know otherwise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:33, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::So can I go ahead and add Fallback onto Outback's page? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:46, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::For the moment that seems better than creating a whole new page and disambiguation we might not need. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah. Let's face it, he'll eventually show up in SOME fiction to be summarily executed - it just depends on if it's Titan or IDW that get to him first (or maybe we get a version of him in Titan's ROTF stuff and a version in IDW's G1 stuff! Super confusing!). He'll show up either in a crowd scene or as a random dude to get killed, and then we'll know where he lives. So for now, just dump him here. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:02, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::I have this horrible premonition that the G1 inspired Jazz and Tracks figures will have toy bios that also feature explicitly Movie-verse Decepticons. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:01, 4 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::In the recent past, Hasbro has been more clear where characters are from. I'm thinking of the different series in the Universe line (G1 series, Armada series...). - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:56, 4 October 2010 (EDT)
:The toy is an Autobot; we've seen the reverse of his packaging now. Surely thats enough to seperate the comics Mindset from this Mindset? There's nothing linking the two together other than a cross-faction name reuse and very loosely similar alternate modes. [[Special:Contributions/95.148.9.67|95.148.9.67]] 07:46, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, let's kick 2010 dude out of here. This is ridiculous. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 07:50, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::Where, exactly, did we see the reverse of his packaging? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:59, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Should be up on all the major boards; it isn't an official release, but in this case we wouldn't be adding stolen info but, rather, removing mistaken information. (Even though it was HONESTLY mistaken information, like, based directly off Hasbro's word, before Hasbro decided that either Mindset had always been an Autobot or that the difference wouldn't matter.) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:29, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Split 'em. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 10:20, 27 October 2010 (EDT)

== ''Universe (2008)'' Onslaught ==

Since Mindset is related to Onslaught, it should be okay worth mentioning that ''Universe (2008)'' Onslaught's (though he is a repaint) alt mode is a missile vehicle just like Mindset. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:01, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
: No. It is absolutely not worth mentioning. It is a boring, pointless coincidence. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:23, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Bunny rabbit

2010-10-14T00:46:29Z

65.60.213.194: /* Prime */

Your...... joking right...... [[User:Protoman|Protoman]] 18:30, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
:The bunny rabbit is Serious Business! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:58, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::'''THE INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS''' - [[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:06, 1 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Cue the Rick Roll. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:50, 1 September 2010 (EDT)
::::We're no strangers to love 
::::You know the rules and so do I 
::::A full commitment's what I'm thinking of 
::::You wouldn't get this from any other guy 
::::I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling 
::::Gotta make you understand 

::::Never gonna give you up, 
::::Never gonna let you down 
::::Never gonna run around and desert you 
::::Never gonna make you cry, 
::::Never gonna say goodbye 
::::Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

::::We've known each other for so long 
::::Your heart's been aching but you're too shy to say it 
::::Inside we both know what's been going on 
::::We know the game and we're gonna play it 

::::Ooh, never gonna give, never gonna give 
::::Ooh, never gonna give, never gonna give you up -[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 18:01, 1 September 2010 (EDT)

== Prime ==

I think the rabbit in the Prime comic isn't the same as the Universe one, unless the bunny's now a multiversal singularity/dimension hopper. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 14:03, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
: [[Image:Forestrescuemission-bunny.jpg|thumb|Totally a singularity.]] --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 20:46, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Insignia

2010-09-26T20:18:12Z

65.60.213.194: /* The 5 Predacon symbols - Whoopsie...wrong file names guys */

__TOC__

There's such an AWESOME buried assumption in a section called 'Known Faction Symbols.' This whole idea that there are UNKNOWN faction symbols too. The idea that there is a BODY to this story beyond what's been written, the idea that it has a form BEFORE it's written... is facinating. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel the Transtech faction symbols belong here. The line never happened. The events after BM have been well established- Transtech was not it. TFU stupidity aside- they are not all Autobots and Decepticons now.

And I have to ask- there was an Arachnoid faction-symbol?

Yea there was a screencap in Lone Maximal's faction symble thread b4 the allspark went down. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 15:27, 4 April 2006 (PDT)

I think it's fine to include them, just with an info note that they're unused.

Speaking of rare symbols I really want the 5 Predacon symbols from IDW Beast Wars to be up here too, but should they go under BW PRedacon or be their own thing?

Also there should be pics of both the regular Con symbol and the three-pointed Cartoon version.

Oh and we should look through DW/IDW art to see if there are any other unnamed symbols there on buildings or anything. [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Do we want to include pics of the diffrent variations of the faction cymbols that appeared on the toy packageing? I have the symbols from the top of the old Tech Spec archive saved on my PC and found images for the Blendtron and Commando symbols. I don't have the Cybertron symbols though.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like both, frankly. My source for the G2 Autobot is distressingly low-resolution (I consider anythign under 400px wide low reolution) and I'm not entiely sure my blendtron synbol is 100% right. (there 1 or two edges I couldnt' tell if they were suppsoed to be rounded or squared off.)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The G2 Decepticon symbol looks nothing whatsoever like Clench besides sharing that diamond-shaped forehead crest, and it's missing arguably the most distinguishing feature of Clench's face - the triangular (point-up) mouthplate. In my opinion, the G2 symbol is clearly a stylized version of the G1 Decepticon symbol. Similarly, there is essentially no similarity between the G2 Autobot symbol and Pyro - the G2 Autobot symbol couldn't much more clearly be Optimus Prime.

Also, why is the CR Combatron insignia under "Beast Era"? `[[User:LV|LV]] 17:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd need to go back to my G2 issues to check, but I question the validity of suggesting that the G2 Decepticon and Cybertronian symbols are any different. (The only distinction shown here is color, anyway) I also question the simplified versions of the symbols used in the cartoon as "symbols" in their own right, but it seems that I've already been outvoted on that count. The only thing I ''would'' ask for is some source text, especially for the more obscure symbols. If they're going to be here, we need to know where they come from.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I totally disagree with the note that the G1 Decepticon symbol is based on Soundwave. This is a myth that has perpetuated for years, but has no basis in fact.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
: Well, technically, it's based on the Decepticon symbol looking just like Soundwave's toy head. But the note is gone for the moment. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::Walky, I know you've got a good eye. Maybe you're seeing something I don't. But that's just it. To me, Soundwave's toy's head looks NOTHING like the Decepticon symbol. I've seen folks say this for years, but I'm just not seeing it....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:::http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/itswalky/soundwavedecepticonsymbol.jpg
:::There's some obvious correlation here. But nothing I can say with absolute certainty, so the note is down until further notice. But, damn, the Decepticon symbol does look like it was based on an abstraction of Soundwave's noggin. The crest, the horns, the shape of the face, everything. I think Soundwave's cartoon face is distracting you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:01, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
::::No, I'm thinking toy-face. (Thanks for the side-by-side, incidentally). Still, I don't think I'd say the Decepticon symbol is "based on" Soundwave, any more than I'd say that there's a generic similarity of shape. But we're mincing minutia at this point. Thanks for indulging me.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::I believe Floro Dery mentioned in an interview that the faction symbols were based on abstractions of faces done by another artist. I also put it to you that the Autobot insignia is probably an abstraction of Prowl's toy face. Unfortunately we have no CONCRETE evidence for the sources of the insignias -- other than Dery's comments. --[[User:Jhiaxus|Jhiaxus]] 11:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

There is no "Seacon space pirate" sigil. A comical skull-and-crossbones on the sail does not a sigil make. The toy packaging gives them the same purple insect-head Predacon sigil every other badguy in the series gets. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, someoen put the Blendtron symbol under Unicron in G1. When was the Blendtron symbol used outside of Neo? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

E-hobby Overcharge [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 02:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:But didn't we decide to default to the line of origin unless there was a commanding reason to use another? Also, we tend not to link things multiple times in the same article, so I see no reason why the Blendtron symbol should show up twice here. Methinks someone's been more than a tad overzealous....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

==Shattered Glass Nightbeat's Symbol==
If we have a section for the Shattered Glass faction symbols, shouldn't Nightbeat's be there, too? I know he's an (evil) Autobot, but he has that unique Autobot logo with the dagger on his hood.

==Article title==

I recently moved this article to correct the second capitalized word. However, I am unsure as to whether to move it again and remove the plural. Most article names are singular, even for something like [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]. However, one of the points of this article is to describe and show many faction symbols. This sort of implies a plural title to me. So... I'm conflicted. Does anybody have an opinion? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that if this were an article describing the general signifigance of a faction symbol, that might be appropriate. But this is a list of Faction Symbols. The list is inherenly plural, there's like 30 of 'em. 'Faction Symbol,' describing the role and importance of saction symbols in general might be a seperate article- this is a list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

==The 5 Predacon symbols==
I want to add the 5 symbols from IDW Beast Wars, but I have a concern. There is no cannonical evidence that they are actually faction symbols. We never see anyone useing them. Right now, the only thing we know about them is that they were used as wall decoration.

Or do we just assume they ''are'' faction symbols? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 15:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:Add them. If we decide they go somewhere else (and I think they probably do, likely the Predacon faction page, or maybe the Predacon sub-group, I dunno...) we'll move them.
:Reminder, you can find the rest of... uh.... Ramhorn's partially obscurred symbol in the pencil-sketch previews to Beast Wars #1 that appeared in Infiltration. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:11, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
::Headstrong. Ramhorn is the Autobot rhino cassette. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

:::The exception that prooves the rule. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
::::....what? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

==The 5 Predacon symbols - Whoopsie...wrong file names guys==
Two of these emblems were switched. Razorclaw and Rampage's emblems were assigned to the wrong name. I've fixed this in the actual gallery of the emblems with an edit, but the names of the images are still swapped.[[User:Sidecutter|Sidecutter]]
:Why the heck would Rampage's emblem sport a mane and Razorclaw's not sport a mane? The comic they appear in even show Razorclaw's maned symbol as being the most prominently displayed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:31, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
::If you actualy look at the emblems being displayed, that was exactly my point, but someone has made it incorrect again. Razorclaw's orange, maned symbol that matches his beast head is listed with *Rampage's* name. Rampage's red, non-maned symbol, which matches his beast head, is listed with *Razorclaw's* name. The symbols also have the wrong file names, with Razroclaw's symbol named "Rampage Symbol.png" and Rampage's symbol named "Razorclaw Symbol.png". Here is how it was displayed before I fixed it the first time, and this time: <gallery>
Image:Razorclaw Symbol.png|'''[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]'''
Image:Tantrum Symbol.png|'''[[Tantrum]]'''
Image:Divebomb symbol.png|'''[[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]]'''
Image:Headstrong symbol.png|'''[[Headstrong]]'''
Image:Rampage symbol.png|'''[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]]'''
</gallery>
::And here is how it is displayed now:
<gallery>
Image:Rampage symbol.png|'''[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]'''
Image:Tantrum Symbol.png|'''[[Tantrum]]'''
Image:Divebomb symbol.png|'''[[Divebomb (G1)|Divebomb]]'''
Image:Headstrong symbol.png|'''[[Headstrong]]'''
Image:Razorclaw Symbol.png|'''[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]]'''
</gallery>
::Now as far as I know (I may simply not know how), I can't change the file names. Therefore, I can't fix it that way. But if you look at the page now that I've corrected the gallery again, you'll see that even though the filenames appear "wrong" when you look at the list to edit it, the pictures are actually correct now.[[User:Sidecutter|Sidecutter]] 16:09, 26 September 2010 (EDT)
:::It looks to me that the red one is the guy with a mane. The yellow one doesn't look like it has a mane. --[[Special:Contributions/65.60.213.194|65.60.213.194]] 16:18, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

==Miscellaneous issues==
===Robots in Diguise Commando===
When was that term used? What's the difference between a RiD Commando and a RiD Decepticon?

::I'm assuing this is a placeholder spot for the Car Robots Destronger symbol, which was a green, upside-down G2 Autobot sigil. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

===Bot/Con Symbols in RiD/UT sections?===
Should the Autobot and Decepticon (and Predacon in RiD) symbols also be listed in the Robots in Disguise amd Unicron Trilogy sections? It might be misleading if only unique symbols are listed in those sections. "Are Minicons and Powerlinx the only factions in the Unicron Trilogy?"
===Organization===
The G1 section seems to be vaguely organized chronologically, but Beast Wars doesn't make sense to me. Since certain chronological listings might be debatable (Ancient Autobot and Ancient Transformer: who comes first, etc), I propose to make each section alphabetical. 
Generation 1 
Autobot 
Autobot (Ancient) 
Autobot (The War Within) 
Decepticon 
etc.

Also, why does G2 get a seperate sction, but Beast Machines does not?

===''Factions''?===
There is no basis for calling the five IDW Beast Wars symbols "factions", and the Energon Powerlinx symbols are not factions. But I want to keep a page with all these symbols. Rename article to just "Symbols"? Or maybe that would open it up too much. Just a rambling thought.

Don't want to make any changes without talking about it. Thanks for listening. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 01:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
--[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 01:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

:I think it's fine titled "faction symbols" but also inlcuding symbols that aren't strictly of "factions," with appropriate notations about whether a symbol is a variant of a faction symbol or just something faction symbol-esque that's close enough for inclusion, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

::They might move if we get enough other signage and symbols. (We have, for instance, two seperate Cybertronian medical symbols, one Autobot and one Decepticon.)
::You mgith argue that if we have a page liek thism we maybe should have a much-clearer 'factions' page that, as Crockcrikey suggests, list which factions appear in which series, makign this page just abouth the SYMBOLS. As it's it's kinda dual-purpose, providing quick bio's about the faction in addition to the symbols and variants themselves. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
::In that case, where should things like, say, Sideways's split-down-the-middle insignia from his packaging and the Maximal/Vehicon blend found on the Beast Changer toy go, if anywhere at all? On the other hand, if it stays here and keeps gathering up symbols that aren't strictly "faction" symbols, somebody ought to add the planet symbols from Cybertron/Galaxy force--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

== Um, guys, you forgot something... ==

Not to be a nudge, but the normal G1 Decepticon symbol isn't actually pictured in the article anywhere except in the pic that has it inserted in the cobra insignia. Also, a pic of the "three-pointed" cartoon version might help in showing exactly where the difference lies. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Anyone going to throw in Dreamwave's alternate Unicron faction symbol? I remember it being used for the MTMTE profiles for Nemesis Prime and maybe Sideways, although I don't have it on hand. I feel that it's required.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

==Team Ironhide==
Dunno if we want to include this, since it's just an abstraction of Energon Ironhide's head, but there's a good shot of it [http://www.fantofan.jp/news/video/superlink456.JPG here]. Plus, [http://www.fantofan.jp/news/video/superlink4510.JPG here] and [http://www.fantofan.jp/news/video/superlink444.JPG here]. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

==Planet symbols...==
I'm... not really sure about these as "faction symbols". I dunno. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

:See the discussion above ("'''''Factions''?'''") for more input on the inclusion of non-faction symbols. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 16:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

::I think the consensus was- "Wait until we have anough non-faction symbols here to justify splittign them off into their own page." We're getting close, but that'll necessitate a long, unpleasant discussion about what is and isn't a faction symbol. (For instance, I think the IDW Quint symbol is the US Quint faction symbol- just like we have American and Japanese Unicron-allied symbols.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:32, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

:::IDW Quint symbol? I hope you don't mind me asking where that's shown, out of curiousity. -[[User:Tindalos|Tindalos]] 19:43, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Hmm... ==

[[Image:Optimus symbol.png|100px]] [[Image:Maximal symbol.png|100px]]

...probably just my imagination. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 16:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== G1 "Cartoon" vs "Comic" symbols ==
OK, time for an opinion poll: Should there be pix of both the "Cartoon" and "Comic" versions of the G1 Bot & Con symbols? I would say so, and several of you expressed the same opinion in the above discussions. Earlier today I added the cartoon Bot symbol and the comic Con symbol thereby completing the "pairs", but not soon after, the comic versions were removed. I have since replaced them, not to rebuff that editor, but based on the reasoning that if we can have five different colored Powerlinx symbols (?!), why would we '''not''' have both distinct variations of the two '''''main''''' symbols. Thoughts, anyone? [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 03:25, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:Well, your cartoon Decepticon symbol doesn't look like the cartoon Decepticon symbol, for one. I'm guessing that was part of the cause for the reversion. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::Indeed. There are different Powerlinx symbols depicted because those are all legitimately distinct symbols which were intended to be legitimately distinct symbols, and they all *mean different things*. The Autobot/Decepticon symbols in the cartoon/comic/toyline are all the same symbol but rendered differently due to media format. We are NOT going to have separate entries for every single mis-render of the same symbol design. That's absurd.
::As Derik pointed out, what you had uploaded wasn't even the "cartoon versions" of those symbols! Those are just the fancy painted versions thereof that were on toy packages, some Marvel Comics covers, and, of course, the toys. I reworked all of that because it was ''inaccurate.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:40, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:::It ''might'' be reasonable to include the cartoon version of the Decepticon symbol, since it had the whole triple-point deal going. But as far as I know there's no equivalent variation in the Autobot symbol. And, as stated, the painted Decepticon symbol is '''NOT''' the cartoon's variant Decepticon symbol. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Well thank you for pointing out how "absurd" my reasoning is Walky, its certainly more informative than your previous Post Summary of "Argh". I think some clarification may be needed, as there seems to be confusion (very possibly on my part).
::::This is one of the two images I posted:
::::[[Image:symbol_autobot_dx_edit.jpg|40px]]Is this what you all would deem "cartoon" or "comic"? Or if neither, why?
::::[[Image:symbol_decept_reg.jpg|35px]] This is the other image I posted. Cartoon? Comic? Neither?
::::Seeing as how I posted one version of the Bot symbol and the OTHER version of the Con symbol (the two that were missing at the time), how can I be wrong in both cases?

::::And just for the record, when I re-posted what I perceive to be the "comic" versions, I replaced [[Image:Autobot symbol.png|40px]] (which was what was previously posted), with [[Image:Symbol_autobot_reg.jpg|40px]], simply because I thought it looked nicer. [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 15:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::: That first Autobot symbol only appeared on Hasbro packaging from '84 to '86, Japanese packaging, cartoon scene bumpers, and some comic covers. The Decepticon symbol in the cartoon generally had a 3rd spike on the center top piece due to the beveling on the "packaging" symbol being misinterpreted. We're not going to have a picture of every interpertation of every symbol, lest we have a pic of the changes the packaging symbol when through in the G1 line, the different color borders in G2, the slightly different shapes from RID, Armada, Energon, Cybertron, Classics, and the movie. Diffrent styles does not equal a new faction symbol. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:21, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:::::Also, that white-border Autobot sigil looks blurry. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::::Blurry, eh? I thought it was just my contacts. =) I agree that variation does not a new symbol make, but to me it seemed significant to show the two '''distinctly''' different "variations" of these two symbols. (And I'm not talking about "third point crest cartoon" version, or what have you.) The 3-D, glossy, transition-color "deluxe-looking" (if you will) version appearing on packaging, toon bumpers, etc to my knowledge (and i'm sure someone will correct me if im wrong) was never used on an actual '''figure''', nor did characters in the comics and/or cartoon bear sigils with this appearance. It more or less had media-only usage, correct? In contrast, the 2-D, matte, solid-color "plain-looking" version was the type used on the toys, as well as typically being seen on animated/drawn characters.

::::::Was there ever melding of these two styles? A 3-D glossy symbol with solid colors? or a 2-D matte symbol that transitioned in color? If there was, then I humbly retract my previous ramblings and apologize to the community at large (especially Walky, who seems keen on shooting down whatever i do anyway. And yes, I am aware of the differences between the powerlink colors, but I think my point has validity nonetheless). In any event i do admit to being confused as to exaclty what the "cartoon version" of the Con symbol was in reference to (thank you FortMax). =P

:::::::But if I am correct in saying that there is a '''''measure of deliniation''''' between these two styles, and not just a simple case of "variation" (which is essentially what the "three point crest" is, and you guys seem to think that's worthy of mention), then at the very least I think they should be shown as a footnote of some type to the page, perhaps following the Unused symbols. [[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 18:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

::::::All of the G1 merchandise that had a symbol not taken from boxart used the logo symbols. The one exception is the marvel US comics, but that was due to the low-tech printing methods used. Plus, whatever the border shaps or solidness of the color, it's still recognizable as the Autobot symbol. The only time we would need a cartoon version on this page is when said sigil only appears in the cartoon. Plus, the only fictional apperences of the package style sigils (that I know of) are in scene bumpers, commercial bumpers, and titles, none of which actually happen in-universe, and the solid colored symbol appeared on the toys before the cartoon or comics were released.

:An example of the cartoon Decepticon symbol might be a good idea though. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:08, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== TWW Predacon and LSC symbols ==

Did the TWW Predacons (Starscream's group) or the Lightning Strike Coalition (Grimlocks group) have their own faction symbols? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:12, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
: Not that I'm aware of. And they both continue to wear their respective Con/Bot logos on themselves. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::Although I'm pretty sure they've started being the standard symbols instead of the TWW ones by then. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:00, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

== Ancient Transformer Symbol ==

Ok, whoever called shannanigans, explain your objection... I admit It's been a long time since I've looked at some DW issues but the Anceint unified faction bit seems to jive with what I remember being said. Anyone who's looked at things recently clarrify? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
:The ancient faction symbol appeared on the Vector Sigma room, the Archives (IIRC) and the golden Disk room on Paradron. It's ''ancient'', and it has nothing to do with Shockwave. Shockwave welded a blank plate over his faction symbol- he didn't create a new hybrid symbol. There ''was'' no Hybrid symbol for Shockwav'es reign on Cybertron.
:So in short, the nature of my objection is... it's wrong. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::So, uh... fix it? Why call shenanigans instead? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:::'cuz I didn't want to be the one to fix it, being next-deep in other edits at the time. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Change page title to "Insignia"? ==

This page hasn't really ever been limited to faction symbols, so I think a move is in order. Anyone disagree? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:37, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:Disagree, because how would I ever find it then? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:48, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
:: DEAR GOD, CHANGE IT NOW. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:54, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

::: :~( -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:56, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

:: It would unfortunately redirect. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

==Ancient Decepticon and BWII Seacons==

"Ancient Decepticon" has been here a long time with no symbol. Does an ancient Decepticon symbol exist? Also, yea or nay on BWII Seacons symbol? (Unless someone can find a better image of [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Seacons_bw.jpg that flag], it's moot anyway.) --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 20:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I think someone had a seacon skull up at one point- or at least there was a discussion about its variations...
:I've removed ancient decepticon- AFAIK, that's a relic of an unofficial reprolabel set that decided Shockwave's funky symbol was the counterpart of the ancient Autobot symbol- in defiance of all context. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:46, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
===That picture isn't even the right symbol===
From the BWII movie
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9069/spacepirateseaconsignalao1.jpg - 85.195.123.24 20:50, 22 May 2007

:::Ooh, that's '''much''' clearer than the VCD I have. Is there an new not-centosaur encode floating around? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::That's an excellent image. Now what's this about variations? P.S. 85, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes ~ And why not just get a user name. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 01:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

==Shockwave insignia==
Can someone put this up? I'm pretty sure it was reused semi-recently, either in a DW/IDW book or as one of Overcharge's labels... right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:46, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
:You're probably thinking of the Reprolabels set. It hasn't shown up anywhere else official, that I've heard of. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, now it HAS showed up! TakaraTomy's [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/bible/index.html World of the Transformers], Episode 4 has given it a name. It's the "Cybertron Guard" insignia. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

:::I KNOW! I just noticed that! I uploaded it once a long time ago, but it was deleted. I can re-upload it this evening, if someone else can't get to it before then. Inversely proportional: my excitement about this symbol - my social life --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 16:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
::::[[Image:shocksymb.jpg]] --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:59, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron's symbol? ==

I don't think this is specifically associated with Megatron. It's also on [[Emirate Xeon]]'s forehead in [[The War Within]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:55, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
:Also, the "Ratbat Symbol" depicts insignia seen on ''many'' Transformers associated with the Senate in Origin. In the first issue, all the ship crew for the Senator's vessel have it on their foreheads.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

::You'll get no argument from me. I had a feeling my descriptives weren't 100% accurate. So, if you know stuff that I don't about these symbols, please add it. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 17:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[[Image:Emirate Xeon symbol.png|100px]][[Image:Megatron Origin Symbol.png|100px]]

Really I'd still venture that they're the same symbol, the difference being that Figueroa tends to be a bit more precise than Milne. Now, what I'm about to say is pure ''speculation'' and thus probably doesn't deserve to be in the article itself, but I'd wager it's a regional insignia that has to do with Kokular or [[Kaon]], as Emirates are regional governors. Alternately, I suppose Megatron's gladiatorial medallion might be an alteration or perversion of the Kokular/Kaon symbol, showing its continuing evolution into the Decepticon insignia. But I'll let others put their two cents in.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:18, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

:From page to page, the Megatron: Origin symbol changes a tad, but certain elements of Xeon's symbol never manifest in Megatron's: the separate crest, the nose/slice down the middle, the cheeks, and Xeon's horns go down, Megatron's go up. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 19:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
::Well, looks like we got some clarification in Origin 3. The insignia is a team designation, and it's on a chain because team rosters are not fixed. Megatron later has the Decepticon insignia on a chain, which to me says that the prior insignia was for Clench's team which Megatron took over.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Cybertron Security Forces ==

New insignia for them in Origin #3, if you've seen it. Displayed on the flags over the coffins and on the headstone.

Man, this series is just like ''delicious candy'' regarding new insignia.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I love it. It's like insignia Christmas this week! --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 22:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::[[Image:Security symbol Megatron Origin.png|100px]] 
::Well, here it is. Before it's added to the article, I wanted to be sure of what it should be called. Is "Cybertron Security Forces" what they're officially called the comic? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 22:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Issue #3 is saying "Autobot Security" but I'll have to get home before I can compare it to the prior two and see if they're called that throughout.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Whose funeral? I feel like the yellow should be the same yellow as Decimus's symbol. (Or rather, Decimus's symbol should be the same yellow as this.)

Also, I think the page is getting populated enough that we should start some long-term thinking about reorganization. Either by creating a faction symbol page in addition to the insignia page, or switching to a combo list/gallery format lie that seen in the [[holomatter]] article. No need for quick decisions, I'm just throwing it out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:[[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]'s funeral. They received an official state funeral presided over by [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], as described in [[Megatron Origin issue 3|the summary I recently wrote]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, I didn't realize it was out yet. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:RE: yellow. Comparing the colors, Decimus' is more of a gold in the comic, and the funeral flags on the coffins are more yellow. (I'm assuming the flags are the "real" color of the symbol, as opposed to the monochromatic plaque [http://markerguru.deviantart.com/art/megatron03-sample-06-64189148]) --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 00:32, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I forgot to log in before doing it, but I double-checked all three issues and it is referred to in two separate issues as "Security Services HQ" and "Autobot Security Headquarters." I've split the difference in their insignia entry on the page, and am now moving to correct the reference in my issue synopsis.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 01:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

== Reorg ==

I've done a slight reorg of the sections and split G1 up by history/subcontinuity. Hope that helps somewhat.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 23:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say the page is starting to finally come into its own regarding ease of access and information density. What do you guys think? Is the gallery format helping?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 19:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::Yes. I think the content maybe needs some rewriting to fit it better... but that'll correct itself in time. This format is 100% better. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

== Redirects Please? ==

Don't know how to do redirects myself. Could someone else create redirects from [[Symbol]] and [[Badge]] to this article? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

: Done. Redirects are easy. Type #REDIRECT then space, then the double-bracket-link to the page you want to redirect to. Or just click [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Symbol&action=edit here] and see what it looks like. --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 22:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

== Animated insignia. ==

First, we can't use them if they're that small.

Second, what we've seen of the toys indicates the insignia aren't new at all, so what you may be seeing in the teaser art/videos can be attributed to artistic style rather than changes to the symbols.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 22:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== Cobybot insignia ==

What do you guys think? I mean sure, it's just an Autobot symbol with two wrenches, but it's still probably worth adding, right? [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 16:21, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== The Decepticon sigil's colour ==

In some of the shows the Decepticon sigil is clearly blue. Yet is purple on the toys from those shows. Does anyone know why?

== Animated - Team Chaar ==

Should the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Blackoutanimated.jpg Team Chaar symbol] be here?
Is it even a separate symbol, or just Blackout's custom (a relic from the Great War maybe?)? -- [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 07:23, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
:Nobody else from Team Chaar seems to have that symbol, so it's likely that it's exclusive to Blackout. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 07:54, 30 August 2009 (EDT)

=="Shields"?==
So some of the licensed material (i.e., the [[Candy Mix]] refers to the insignia as "shields." Are there any other materials that give an official-type name to the faction logos? [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 12:32, 1 November 2009 (EST)

==Machine Wars==
The MW Decepticon insignia is noticeably different from G1, with very rounded sad-looking eyes and fuzzy indistinct outer margins. It looks like somebody at Hasbro circa 1996 tried to re-create the G1 logos from very poor or possibly even bootlegged source material.
Two questions:
 -Are there comparable differences between the G1 and MW Autobots? 
-Are these differences significant enough to warrant inclusion here? 
--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:37, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

== Energon Unicron ==

The Unicron insignia in Energon section is not only appeared in the Energon cartoon as a special sequence, but literally on TakaraTomy's official Armada(Micron Legend) site and the toy's Japanese package as well.
Shouldn't it be considered as the insignia for Trilogy, at least of TakaraTomy version?

Magnificence

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65.60.213.194:

:''The Magnificence is an artifact from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]''

[[Image:SpotlightHotRod Magnificence.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Sometimes, you have a plot device, and some other times, you have THE Plot Device!]]
'''The Magnificence''' is nothing less than a complete database and map of the known universe, and every exploitable resource within it. This coveted artifact is the ultimate Magic 8-Ball; any question posed to it will be granted an immediate and accurate answer. Just ''how'' this works remains a bit of a mystery.

==Fiction==
===IDW comics continuity===
{{ongoing}}
The Magnificence once resided on the ruins of the [[Omega Bunker]] on the silicon steppes of the world of [[Ki-Aleta]]. While within the bunker, it was kept safe by the fearsome [[Omega Guardian]]s, but apparently not safe enough. The Guardians, the bunker, and the artifact itself were built by an unknown ancient race.

A team of Autobots led by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] sought out the Magnificence to keep it out of Decepticon hands. The team managed to decoy the Omega Guardians successfully with holograms and automated gun systems. However, sabotage from the Autobot known as [[Doubledealer|Dealer]] led to the decoy system failing and the majority of the team being slaughtered by the Guardians. Dealer was unable to procure the Magnificence, though, as Hot Rod made good his escape and hid the artifact in parts unknown. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hot Rod}}

[[Image:SPDHotRodM.jpg|left|thumb|300px|"Ask again later."]]

After extended urging from Dealer, Hot Rod sought out the Magnificence from where he had hidden it. This turned out to be Ki-Aleta, much to Dealer's surprise. High atop a rock formation surrounded by ionized clouds, it was inaccessible to mechanical life forms save by making the treacherous climb up the rock face itself. Upon retrieving it, Hot Rod demonstrated that it was not only a chronicle of old information, but new information as well. After using it to reveal Dealer's treachery (and dealing with him accordingly), he then queried it as to the details of the [[Expansion]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}}

==Notes==
* The Magnificence has a superficial resemblance (including coloration) to the [[Pearl of Bahoudin]] from the [[1985]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' episode "[[Trans-Europe Express]]".
* [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=5032 In a Q&A], Simon Furman said he originally intended to show that using the Magnificence had a price: "the information or what information precipitates mostly turns out to be a poisoned chalice... there was going to be a Hot Rod payoff, in which he goes well and truly through the wringer as a consequence of his mining of the Magnificence". Due to the revised (and shorter) nature of ''[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]'', this subplot was dropped, though Hot Rod ''did'' go through the wringer in ''[[Maximum Dinobots]],'' but for different [[Scorponok (G1)|reasons]].
* In the same Q&A, he said he considered making the Magnificence a [[Quintesson]] artifact but changed his mind.

[[Category:MacGuffins]]
[[Category:Generation 1]]

Optimus Prime (WFC)

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65.60.213.194: Revert: All characters seem to have that.

{{faction|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Optimus Prime}}
:''Optimus Prime is an Autobot from the [[Transformers: Prime]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:WFC-OptimusPrimeconcept.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Megatron awakened within him a secret yearning. The slashfic writes itself.]]

'''Orion Pax''' was a lowly archivist, but it wasn't until he heard of a rogue gladiator named [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] and his call for an upheaval of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s society that he realized he was unsatisfied with his lot in life. Freedom to make your own choice should be the right of all sentient beings! Little did Orion Pax realize that his boss, [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]], knew of a secret potential within the archivist, and that Cybertron's history was at a precipice.

Once Megatron and Orion discovered they did not have as much in common as they once believed, Orion was dubbed by the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] to be the next [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], '''Optimus Prime'''. The coming battles for determination of Cybertron's future were costly, but Optimus is determined to thwart his former friend's attempts at universal subjugation, no matter where in the galaxy their conflict takes them.

{{bigquote|We will wage our battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons wherever it may take us. And one day, we will go home.|Optimus Prime|''[[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|Exodus]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The History of the War for Cybertron''===
Like all Cybertronians, when Orion Pax emerged from the [[Well of All Sparks]], he was taught how to transform, to select a natural [[alternate mode]], and was put in a [[caste system|caste]]. Orion worked at the [[Hall of Records]], where he befriended the cultural investigator [[Jazz (Prime)|Jazz]]. Orion would read and index information, but was forbidden to analyze. He began monitoring transmissions on the [[Grid]] by the [[Kaon]]ian gladiator [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]us, who preached a message of individual freedom that flew in the face of their society. Moved by what the gladiator had to say, and realizing his own dissatisfactions in life - namely that his caste was generally not allowed to visit [[Six Lasers Over Cybertron]] - Orion began a secret correspondence with Megatronus, who had shortened his name to Megatron. They had intense but friendly debates over the nature of free will and the dangerousness of their ideals, and Megatron suggested Orion learn how to fight for his beliefs. Orion began training with Jazz, learning to fire an [[ion blaster|ion-cannon]] and to fashion his arms into an [[energon-axe|axe]] and a [[Dual Energon Swords|sword]].

Orion made his first trip to Kaon to meet Megatron in person at his base. Megatron was the only gladiator who gave Orion a warm welcome. It was then terrorists began bombings in Megatron's name. Megatron made his first public announcement on the Grid, stating he was not responsible for the attacks and would bring the perpetrators to justice, and Orion followed him up with a speech of his own. When he returned to [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]], [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]] asked Orion why he trusted Megatron: Orion found it hard to explain but felt if Megatron were responsible for the attacks he would have wanted to be associated with them. Later, when [[Shockwave (Prime)|Shockwave]] took him to meet Megatron at an arena beneath Iacon's Observatory, Orion was shocked to see Jazz in attendance, and that Megatron had heard rumors about the bombings but did nothing to prevent them.

When "[[Decepticon]]s" kidnapped [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]], Orion requested Alpha Trion make the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]] grant an audience with him and Megatron now that most Cybertronians blamed them and wanted their heads. Megatron also requested Orion investigate the history of ''[[Trypticon (Prime)|Trypticon Station]]'', a base his ally [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] had made home, though Orion's research led to dead ends. During their hearing in the [[High Council Chamber]], Orion rigorously defended their ideals, even reviving the ancient philosophical phrase "[[Autobot]]s" to describe the autonomy his brethren sought. It was then Councillor [[Halogen]] declared Orion the new [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]: Optimus Prime. An outraged Megatron accused his brother of treachery, and then murdered Halogen. When Optimus ordered the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] to not harm Megatron, Megatron declared Optimus had fallen into the trappings of power the High Council had foistered upon him, and those in attendance dispersed, with the planet forever divided into Autobots and Decepticons.

Optimus forgoed the first engagement of the war, allowing the Decepticons to take [[Fort Scyk]] so he would gain time to recruit more Autobots. Optimus learned from Jazz after the fall of Scyk that he would have to learn to not mourn every soldier. Optimus fought for the first time during the next battle, the siege of the [[Hydrax Plateau]]. The first Cybertronian he ever killed was a former industrial drone named [[Drixco]]. Afterwards Optimus confided to Alpha Trion that the act of killing alone made him feel he was on the wrong side. Despite the efforts of Optimus and [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)|Ultra Magnus]] the Decepticons conquered the Hydrax Plateau. It was at the stalemate of [[Praxus]] that Optimus gained the indispensable allies [[Prowl (Prime)|Prowl]] and [[Ironhide (Prime)|Ironhide]]. The first Autobot victory was at [[Kalis]], a vital area due to its fusion reactor that powered Iacon. Optimus, Jazz and [[Sideswipe (Prime)|Sideswipe]] worked together to bring down the monstrous [[Bruticus Maximus (Prime)|Bruticus Maximus]], but the battle was mostly won due to the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s' absence. As Energon depleted, the war descended into a mere siege of Iacon lasting millions of cycles, and Optimus opted to eject the [[AllSpark (Prime)|AllSpark]] itself into space: during this battle Optimus gained another great friend in [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]].

While visiting the Hall of Records during the siege, Alpha Trion revealed that it was him who suggested that the High Council appoint Orion Pax Prime. Alpha Trion added he believed the High Council would've come to the same conclusion that Orion was the Prime that would save Cybertron from civil war, as foretold in the [[Covenant of Primus]]. He cited Optimus' own intuition and empathy when investigating Megatron before the war, when any other archivist would've just passed on the transmissions for a superior to investigate. Later in the lull of the war, Alpha Trion revealed he had deleted most of the information surrounding ''Trypticon'' for it was a store of [[Dark Energon]], the essence of [[Unicron]], and sensed the Decepticons had found it. Indeed, Decepticons using the powerful narcotic appeared on the battlefield routing Autobot patrols, but Optimus wisely predicted it was an inefficient resource that would run out soon. However, to their horror Megatron and Starscream infiltrated [[Teletraan-1]] to steal the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]], and although Teletraan-1 awakened the legendary [[Omega Supreme (Prime)|Omega Supreme]] to ferry the Chamber to safety, the Dark Energon-powered Decepticons overpowered the Autobots and used the Chamber, in concert with the [[Geosynchronous Energon Bridge]], to corrupt the [[Core]] of Cybertron and spread Dark Energon across the planet.

During the battle, Megatron revealed he had killed Sentinel Prime below the High Council Tower to gain access to the Chamber. Afterwards Prowl picked up a message from Sentinel on the Grid, and Optimus, realizing he had not found Sentinel's body in Iacon, deduced Sentinel was alive and in Kaon. When Optimus, Jazz and Prowl rescued him, they found Kaon strangely deserted, only battling two gibbering guards. Optimus believed Dark Energon was having a severe effect on Decepticon morale. When they found Sentinel, he was dying, and said he regretted his overlong reign as Prime, and that the High Council had made the right decision in appointing Optimus Prime. He finally told him he had to go to the Core and purge its corruption of Dark Energon.

After Sentinel's funeral in Iacon, where Optimus was officially appointed Prime after holding the de facto position for so long, he journeyed to the Core with Bumblebee and [[Jetfire (Prime)|Jetfire]] and removed the Plasma Energy Chamber. It was then a voice from the Core told Optimus he was too late, and the Autobots would have to leave Cybertron as the planet healed itself. But it finally bestowed upon him the [[Matrix of Leadership]], the essence of [[Primus]], explaining that while Sentinel lived, he was still Prime, and that he had been unworthy of the Matrix. It told him that when the day came that they would return to Cybertron, the Core and the Matrix would restore the planet and Optimus would lead the Autobots in an "age of unimagined wonders". It was then Optimus launched [[Ark (Prime)|Project Generation One]], to build a ship — that Jazz dubbed the ''Ark'' — to take them to the stars, a plan some Autobots objected to.

But before their exodus, Optimus planned to fool Megatron by gathering every spaceworthy vessel and having them rendezvouz at what was apparently the last remaining [[space bridge]] in orbit. Megatron ordered ''Trypticon'' fire on the ships, but Optimus ordered a fallback and he, Jetfire, Jazz, Ironhide, Prowl, Sideswipe and Bumblebee flew the ''[[Eight Track]]'' to enter a weak spot in ''Trypticon''. Battling the drones Shockwave had installed within, the crew knocked ''Trypticon'' from orbit, crashing into the [[Mithric Sea]]. Optimus's team returned to find the ''Ark'' ready at the Well of All Sparks, but Trypticon survived the impact and transformed to attack. Jetfire, Magnus and his Wreckers including [[Springer (Prime)|Springer]] and a repaired Omega Supreme declared they would remain on Cybertron if only to fight off the titanic monster. Optimus also bade farewell to Alpha Trion, who believed [[Vector Sigma]] would protect him when the rest of the planet would be unable to sustain life: it was then Optimus realized Alpha Trion was one of the [[thirteen original Transformers]].

Yet as the ''Ark'' took off the Decepticons overran Iacon and Megatron and his elite boarded Trypticon, who transformed into a ''Nemesis''-class cruiser and pursued the Autobots. Megatron used his and Orion's old frequency to inform Optimus that he would pursue him across the stars and eventually kill him. The ''Ark'' entered the last space bridge and emerged with the ''Nemesis'' gone. They were near a [[Milky Way|spiral galaxy]] and Prowl detected the AllSpark. Knowing the Matrix within would help them find a way home, Optimus vowed that the Autobots would continue to wage their battle across the stars. {{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}
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===''Prime'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Cullen]] (English)
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==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Peter Cullen]] (English), [[Marco Balzarotti]] (Italian)
[[Image:WFC-OptimusPrimeAltmode.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Welcome to the ''Twilight Zone'' prime.]]
In the waning days of the war for Cybertron, Optimus was able to spot a little yellow Autobot in trouble, and defeated the surrounding drone forces. [[Ratchet (Prime)| Ratchet]] arrived on the scene, and Optimus helped up the Autobot, who revealed his name was [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]]. Bumblebee informed Optimus that the Decepticons took control of communication relays, and that the only way to contact him was by messenger. He then told Optimus that their leader, [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]], was dead. Optimus suspected [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]], then was informed that the [[Autobot High Council]] went into hiding because of this. Optimus then said that the Council will emerge during a safer time, and formulated a team with Bumblebee and Ratchet.

They drove to the [[Decagon]], where they found [[Ironhide (Prime)|Ironhide]] battling the forces of [[Starscream (Prime)| Starscream]]. After assissting him in defeating Starscream's army, they confronted Starscream himself. After combatting Starscream, a hologram of Zeta Prime's face appeared in the center of the room, stating that he was being held in a [[Kaon]] prison complex. Optimus and his team raced to the Kaon prison, allowing themselves to be captured so that they can infiltrate the facility. A number of Deceticon drones surrounded them, but were saved in time by [[Air Raid (Prime)| Air Raid]]. However, Air Raid was then captured. While sneaking through the corridors, the three managed to free Air Raid, [[Arcee (Prime)| Arcee]], and others. They continued through the hallways, and finally found the room where Zeta was being held. Suddenly, a small rectangular object fired sonic booms at them, then transformed and revealed itself to be [[Soundwave (Prime)| Soundwave]]. The Decepticon cowered behind a force field and some turrets, and occasionally released [[Frenzy (Prime)| Frenzy]], [[Rumble (Prime)| Rumble]], and [[Laserbeak (Prime)| Laserbeak]] outside of the field. Soundwave took time to repair these drones, and the team shot at him while he did so. Eventually, Soundwave and the drone trio escaped, and Optimus looked to Zeta Prime, saying that he will free him. However, Zeta says he is already dead, and dies.

Optimus brings Zeta's corpse to the site of the hiding High Council, where he lay the dead body in the center of the room. Optimus states that the Autobots crave their guidance, but the Council states that their mission is to choose the Primes, not to lead them. They then tell him that Optimus himself is a Prime, and that he has changed the lives around him. Optimus was then told that Megatron had corrupted the core of Cybertron, and that he was the one that could remove this blight. He takes this burden and responsibility, then is told by the Council that he is now Optimus ''Prime'', the last Prime.

The team ventures to entrance of the core, where a corrupted [[Omega Supreme (Prime)| Omega Supreme]] is being tortured. The Autobots defeated the torturers and freed Omega Supreme from the Dark Energon influence. Omega Supreme escapes, and the Autobots find some [[Space slug| space slugs]] to use as steeds. They defeated a corrupted slug, and finally reached the core.

The core told Optimus that it was too corrupted. Optimus asked for a solution, and the core responded that the only way was to reboot, which will take millions of years. Optimus decides that all Autobots should leave their home. Before shutting down, the core reveals the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which it installs it inside Optimus Prime's chest.

He arrived back at Iacon, where he orders all Autobots to evacuate the planet. Megatron then appears on the viewscreen, who says that all to stay and defy him were going to die, and fired a massive cannon installed in the Dark Energon space station. Optimus Prime ordered his Air Commander [[Silverbolt (Prime)|Silverbolt]] to shut down the cannon with his team. They suceed, and the station crashes into Iacon. Optimus, Bumblebee, and Ironhide discover that the "space station" isn't a space station at all: it was the giant Decepticon, [[Trypticon (Prime)|Trypticon]]. They managed to defeat the heavily-armed menace, who plunged into a pool of energon. The Autobots shortly celebrate their victory, but notice that ''they'' have to evacuate as well. Optimus reveals a massive starship they will use called the Ark, a ship still under construction that will allow them to take a part of Cybertron with them across the galaxy.

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{{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}

===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
:''Voice actor:'' Peter Cullen (English), [[Marco Balzarotti]] (Italian)

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{{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}

==Toys==
===Generations===
[[Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianOptimusPrime.jpg|right|thumb|300px|It's ''[[War Within]]'' but with fewer chinstraps and handvents.]]
*'''Cybertronian Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2010)
:*''Accessories: '' "blaster" rifle

: Based on his appearance in the video game ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'', Optimus Prime transforms from a red, blue, and silver robot into an "armored truck mode." His rifle transforms as well, folding and plugging into the roof of the vehicle mode. The rifle can also peg into his forearms, and, in its compact configuration, can attach to his shoulders via peg holes on the backs of his front tires. Optimus has a stylized Autobot insignia on his back, as seen in the game, but it is masked by [[kibble]].

:As with (it seems) every modern toy, the instructions don't include all the features of the toy. In this case, neither the instructions nor any promotional photography show that Optimus Prime's knees can rotate out to form a back bumper with tail lights in vehicle mode. Oddly, the toy itself and the cardbox art show Optimus Prime with 4 fingers on each hand, while in the video game Optimus Prime has 5 fingers. The picture above is slightly mistransformed; the step 26 exhaust stack rotation has not been done. On the plus side, for a Deluxe-class toy, it has a surprisingly complex [[transformation (toys)|transformation]], and mad levels of [[articulation]].

:Optimus Prime is part of the first wave of ''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Deluxes, but he and Cybertronian [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] shipped ahead of their two other wavemates via [[Toys"R"Us]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Autobot/GenerationsOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Cybertronian Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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