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Talk:Nemesis (ROTF)

2009-12-23T17:31:03Z

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If the Fallen was on the ROTF Nemesis the whole time, what happened to him when Starscream's starship was destroyed at the end of ROS? Starscream's ship launched from Cybertron to pursue the fleeing Autobot ship. When I brought up the issue of ship names before the site crash, I was informed by Alex Milne that the ROS Decepticon battlecruiser wasn't the Nemesis. Also, Soundwave and the new Decepticons arrived to Earth in [[Alliance issue 2]] aboard an unseen starship, which was most likely the Nemesis. It's prossible that Dan Khanna and Andrew Griffith just recycled Milne's ROS starship design for Defiance issue 4.

Also, this page needs to be cleaned up. The writing is a little stilted and there's some problems in tense. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
: Apparently there's two ships named Nemesis. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:04, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
:I didn't know it was destroyed in ROS (I confess I didn't read it). Is that the same as Dreadwing's ship that got blasted through the space bridge back to Mars? So the relic might have survived the blast and is on Mars? Or was the ship at Trypticon when Trypticon was destroyed? So far the plot summaries and the Nemesis (Movie) article don't make it clear.
:They do look the same, and the Decepticons built the Relic's Nemesis from scratch specially for their purpose and Bumblebee said he never saw anything like it. The chances of the two ships just looking the same on purpose are minimal. If their looking alike is an art error, that is noteworthy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:52, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
::My updated versions of the [[Nemesis (Movie)]] and [[Ark (Movie)]] articles were lost during the crash. The ship Dreadwing steals to make his getaway looks pretty much like Starscream's ship, so it's probably safe to assume it's the same ship. We later see Soundwave in Alliance issue 2 searching the debris and seeing the imprint of Frenzy's body (that Starscream presumably retrieved from the wreckage).
::As for the Fallen surviving the blast, the sequence of events doesn't fit if we go with your theory that both ships are the same. Megatron encountered the ROTF Nemesis in space. He flew ahead of both the Ark and Starscream's group. Starscream's ship was launched from Cybertron, and was WAY behind the Ark and Megatron. They only arrived on Mars thousands of years later.
::As I said, it's probable that the Defiance artists simply recycled Milne's design. Milne had previously told me he didn't intend for Starscream's battlecruiser to be the Nemesis, and obviously, he was aware at the time that the ''actual'' IDW Nemesis would appear in Defiance. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

==Location==

It was only on-screen briefly in the movie, but I had the impression that the Nemesis could be on any moon of a ringed gas giant, not specifically Saturn. It would explain how Megatron was able to return with reinforcements so quickly, mind you. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:22, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::I don't see how the Nemesis being on a non-Saturn ringed planet would have made Megatron's trip any shorter. The reinforcements would have been on the Nemesis itself, after all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:22, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The "mind you" indicates that what he's saying is that even though the movie didn't actually call the planet SATURN! (perhaps suggesting it could be on any moon of any ringed planet) being on one of Saturn's moons would actually explain how Megsy and The Fallen were able to get their forces to Earth within the span of a few days. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Righto-then! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:33, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, I was conceding that it makes a lot of sense for it to be Saturn, even if it's not definitively stated. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 14:08, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:Since they didn't say, I think it's reasonable to assume it's one of Saturn's moons based on the appearance of the gas giant, specifically the moon that looks like it's the set of Armageddon --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:00, 2 July 2009 (EDT).
::The various novels make it clear that the ice world the nemesis is crashed on is in another solar system. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:58, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And in the movie, it's on a moon plainly in front of Saturn. It's just another thing different between the movies and the adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:15, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I guess I didn't realize that '''Saturn''' was located [http://emopanda.com/tmp/not_saturn.jpg so close to a '''nebula.''']
::::Is this like Energon? "We warped into another galaxy on the outer reaches of the solar system."
::::Do you have any citation for this planet being Saturn ''beyond'' 'butterstotch planet with rings'? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:56, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Post another screenshot from a pirated copy of the movie, and you're banned from this site. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:22, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::So I take that to mean "no, I don't have a citation Saturn?" -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:01, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, seeing how Megatron flew there and flew back with Starscream and a protoform army in—at most—a couple of days, I would think it would have to be Saturn for it not to be an error, and even that is pushing it. We have no idea how or why it crashed anywhere, which is frustrating. I liked the idea it was in a dead star system, then it might have been a system where they previously used a harvester. Could a gas giant planet exist in a dead star system? I don't know. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:34, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::We do not source leaked information in articles on this wiki. However, recent "chatter in the network" about things which have been ''leaked, stolen or snuck'' leads me to believe that an upcoming Store Exclusive may support just that scenario. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:18, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::A gas giant could indeed continue to exist in a dead star system. However given that there's plainly daylight shining upon the gas giant in the movie, it's got a perfectly healthy star nearby. I figure Saturn's the most logical choice at the moment, unless it's outright stated otherwise. Someone should bring it up at a convention panel some time![[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 12:05, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Cinefex's article on ROTF's special effects claims the ship is "hidden behind Saturn." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:22, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::I say it is near Saturn, and the nebula was added just because it was pretty or to reinforce the idea that it's in space. Or maybe even deep space, which doesn't make sense, but eh. It's Bay, it doesn't have to make sense. Just my 2 cents. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 12:24, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::::::To add to my previous comment, think of it as an equivalent to the space scenes in the Beast Wars cartoon, where we see the Trifid Nebula (M20, in Sagittarius) as we see it on photos, despite the fact that it's about 5000 lightyears away from us. It was just to show that it happened in space. I think we may have the same kind of situation here. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 12:31, 23 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Nemesis (ROTF)

2009-12-23T17:24:54Z

66.131.29.196: /* Location */

Talk:Nemesis (ROTF)

2009-12-23T17:24:25Z

66.131.29.196: /* Location */

If the Fallen was on the ROTF Nemesis the whole time, what happened to him when Starscream's starship was destroyed at the end of ROS? Starscream's ship launched from Cybertron to pursue the fleeing Autobot ship. When I brought up the issue of ship names before the site crash, I was informed by Alex Milne that the ROS Decepticon battlecruiser wasn't the Nemesis. Also, Soundwave and the new Decepticons arrived to Earth in [[Alliance issue 2]] aboard an unseen starship, which was most likely the Nemesis. It's prossible that Dan Khanna and Andrew Griffith just recycled Milne's ROS starship design for Defiance issue 4.

Also, this page needs to be cleaned up. The writing is a little stilted and there's some problems in tense. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:58, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
: Apparently there's two ships named Nemesis. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:04, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
:I didn't know it was destroyed in ROS (I confess I didn't read it). Is that the same as Dreadwing's ship that got blasted through the space bridge back to Mars? So the relic might have survived the blast and is on Mars? Or was the ship at Trypticon when Trypticon was destroyed? So far the plot summaries and the Nemesis (Movie) article don't make it clear.
:They do look the same, and the Decepticons built the Relic's Nemesis from scratch specially for their purpose and Bumblebee said he never saw anything like it. The chances of the two ships just looking the same on purpose are minimal. If their looking alike is an art error, that is noteworthy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:52, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
::My updated versions of the [[Nemesis (Movie)]] and [[Ark (Movie)]] articles were lost during the crash. The ship Dreadwing steals to make his getaway looks pretty much like Starscream's ship, so it's probably safe to assume it's the same ship. We later see Soundwave in Alliance issue 2 searching the debris and seeing the imprint of Frenzy's body (that Starscream presumably retrieved from the wreckage).
::As for the Fallen surviving the blast, the sequence of events doesn't fit if we go with your theory that both ships are the same. Megatron encountered the ROTF Nemesis in space. He flew ahead of both the Ark and Starscream's group. Starscream's ship was launched from Cybertron, and was WAY behind the Ark and Megatron. They only arrived on Mars thousands of years later.
::As I said, it's probable that the Defiance artists simply recycled Milne's design. Milne had previously told me he didn't intend for Starscream's battlecruiser to be the Nemesis, and obviously, he was aware at the time that the ''actual'' IDW Nemesis would appear in Defiance. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 28 April 2009 (EDT)

==Location==

It was only on-screen briefly in the movie, but I had the impression that the Nemesis could be on any moon of a ringed gas giant, not specifically Saturn. It would explain how Megatron was able to return with reinforcements so quickly, mind you. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:22, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::I don't see how the Nemesis being on a non-Saturn ringed planet would have made Megatron's trip any shorter. The reinforcements would have been on the Nemesis itself, after all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:22, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The "mind you" indicates that what he's saying is that even though the movie didn't actually call the planet SATURN! (perhaps suggesting it could be on any moon of any ringed planet) being on one of Saturn's moons would actually explain how Megsy and The Fallen were able to get their forces to Earth within the span of a few days. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Righto-then! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:33, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, I was conceding that it makes a lot of sense for it to be Saturn, even if it's not definitively stated. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 14:08, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:Since they didn't say, I think it's reasonable to assume it's one of Saturn's moons based on the appearance of the gas giant, specifically the moon that looks like it's the set of Armageddon --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:00, 2 July 2009 (EDT).
::The various novels make it clear that the ice world the nemesis is crashed on is in another solar system. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:58, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And in the movie, it's on a moon plainly in front of Saturn. It's just another thing different between the movies and the adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:15, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I guess I didn't realize that '''Saturn''' was located [http://emopanda.com/tmp/not_saturn.jpg so close to a '''nebula.''']
::::Is this like Energon? "We warped into another galaxy on the outer reaches of the solar system."
::::Do you have any citation for this planet being Saturn ''beyond'' 'butterstotch planet with rings'? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:56, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Post another screenshot from a pirated copy of the movie, and you're banned from this site. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:22, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::So I take that to mean "no, I don't have a citation Saturn?" -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:01, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Well, seeing how Megatron flew there and flew back with Starscream and a protoform army in—at most—a couple of days, I would think it would have to be Saturn for it not to be an error, and even that is pushing it. We have no idea how or why it crashed anywhere, which is frustrating. I liked the idea it was in a dead star system, then it might have been a system where they previously used a harvester. Could a gas giant planet exist in a dead star system? I don't know. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:34, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::We do not source leaked information in articles on this wiki. However, recent "chatter in the network" about things which have been ''leaked, stolen or snuck'' leads me to believe that an upcoming Store Exclusive may support just that scenario. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:18, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::A gas giant could indeed continue to exist in a dead star system. However given that there's plainly daylight shining upon the gas giant in the movie, it's got a perfectly healthy star nearby. I figure Saturn's the most logical choice at the moment, unless it's outright stated otherwise. Someone should bring it up at a convention panel some time![[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 12:05, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Cinefex's article on ROTF's special effects claims the ship is "hidden behind Saturn." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:22, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::I say it is near Saturn, and the nebula was added just becaude it was pretty or to reinforce the idea that it's in space. Or maybe even deep space, which doesn't make sense, but eh. It's Bay, it doesn't have to make sense. Just my 2 cents. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 12:24, 23 December 2009 (EST)

Countdown (G1)

2009-10-16T22:15:29Z

66.131.29.196: /* Generation 1 series */

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Autobot Micromaster|the G.I. Joe astronaut|Countdown (G.I. Joe)}}
:''Countdown is an [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Countdown robotMTMTE.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hero of a thousand worlds, champion of the oppressed, and destroyer of thousands of Decepticons, but no . . . let's tell more stories about stupid Bumblebee. [[Skyfall (G1)|Not that he's bitter]].]]

'''Countdown''''s mission is to roam the universe, find planets threatened by Decepticon activity, and meddle to the Autobots' benefit. He looks forward to the day when the Decepticons are defeated, and he can start toppling other tyrannical regimes.<ref>''[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]]''</ref>

He possesses an [[Rocket Base|interstellar rocket and command base]]. The base is used to launch the rocket, but [[Size changing|also fits inside]] the rocket.

::''French-Canadian name'': '''Rebours'''

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Countdown was an Autobot Aerospace Commander, who volunteered for the prototype Micromaster process which downsized him and several others as a means for conserving fuel. Alongside [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], [[Groundshaker]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], he was assigned to [[Operation: Containment]]. This was a two-fold mission -- the Decepticons had begun expanding their tyranny off-planet, and the Autobots could not in good conscience allow the war to engulf other innocent worlds. At the same time, the mission team was charged with making efforts to find [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], the [[Matrix]] and the lost crew of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. Initially, Countdown did not appreciate the methods of his second-in-command, Groundshaker. A... rambunctious fighter, Groundshaker's gun-first approach to combat sometimes made it difficult for the Autobots to ingratiate themselves with local populations when confronting the Decepticon expansion. Countdown submitted a troop transfer request to Autobot Command, but it was rejected. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)#Issue .233|More Than Meets The Eye, Issue #3}} Eventually, the duo began to work better together, and Countdown came to consider Groundshaker a valuable friend and ally.

[[Image:Golddendisk paradron.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Countdown argues with Skystalker over which movie they're going to watch.]]

Eventually, the two missions of Containment became cross-purposes: Decepticon forces moving in one direction, towards [[Paradron]]; a stray signal beacon emanating from the other direction, towards the Sol system. While Jetfire and Omega Supreme followed the beacon, {{storylink|Original Sin}} Countdown and Groundshaker continued on to Paradron, in order to combat the Decepticon Interstellar Assault Commander, [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]], and his men. The Decepticons very nearly wiped out the entire populace, and only a climactic personal battle between Countdown and Skystalker engineered a temporary stalemate. Skystalker was left to die on the planet, while Countdown acquired a mysterious artifact.

The Autobot duo chose to return to Cybertron seeking reinforcements, only to find [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] woefully unsupportive of their plight. Countdown had dreams of establishing an interplanetary force, not only to stop the spread of Decepticon evil, but to actively take steps to better the other worlds in the cosmos. Seeing how little Magnus and the others had bettered their own world in his absence, though, Countdown began looking for other options. After passing the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] in the halls, and hearing them voice similar complaints about the current Autobot management, Countdown and Groundshaker decided to keeps tabs on those Micromasters. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}}

When the Hot Rod Patrol broke free from the Autobot ranks, they set off for the Wastelands and were nearly hijacked by [[Venom (G1)|Venom]] and his team of [[Insecticon (G1)|cannibals]]. Groundshaker arrived to shake them up a bit, and took the Patrol to see Countdown for a recruitment speech. Countdown tried to explain the epiphany he'd had on Paradron, and the mission he had assumed for himself to bring justice to the universe. [[Big Daddy (G1)|Big Daddy]] and the gang weren't quite ready to hear it yet, though, and so Countdown sent them on their way to [[Little Iacon]]. {{storylink|The Gray Race}}

Once Skystalker returned and informed the Decepticons of Countdown's inevitable attempts at recruitment, the Hot Rod Patrol were targeted by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s men because of their contact with Countdown. Infuriated when Countdown told him to sit and wait, Groundshaker finally exploded and revealed that he knew about the old transfer request Countdown had filed against him. Dismayed and chagrined, Countdown apologized profusely to his comrade for the error, and insisted that he had long since changed his mind about his partner. As a show of good faith, he fully explained his reasoning and recent actions to Groundshaker. On Paradron, he had uncovered a [[Golden Disk (Paradron)|Golden Disk]] containing vast amounts of information on Cybertron, despite the lack of any previous known communications between the two worlds. The artifact apparently contained files on the past, present, AND future of the Transformer race. Countdown justified leaving the Patrol to their fate for the time being, since the Decepticons' efforts were ''clearly'' an attempt to draw them out and steal the artifact and its secrets for themselves. Groundshaker still wasn't wholly impressed, and warned Countdown that focusing too much on the big picture would only ensure that no one was left to watch out for the little guy. {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}}

The discussion became moot, though, after the Decepticon attack forced the Hot Rod Patrol to come looking for aid from Countdown. Eager to forge ties with the Patrol, Countdown agreed to join them in infiltrating Decepticon headquarters and rescuing their fellow Autobot Micromasters, who had been taken hostage from Little Iacon. This led him back into direct conflict with Skystalker for the first time since Paradron. Skystalker had been busy as well, beheading Shockwave and sending the larger Decepticons out to die in battle, clearing the way for a new Micromaster regime under his iron foot. Big Daddy interferred in their grudge match, and Skystalker vanished before Countdown could complete what he started on Paradron. With the help of Big Daddy and [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]], he negotiated a ceasefire between the Micromasters, and they in turn forced the larger Transformers to put an end to the fight Skystalker orchestrated as well. Ultimately, however, Countdown failed to convince Big Daddy and the others of the virtues of his cause. Already weighed down by the horrors of war, Big Daddy just saw Countdown's mission as another excuse for fighting and death. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1-Zone-toy Countdown-MoonRadar.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Lunar golf cart.]]
* '''Countdown''' (Micromaster Autobot Rocket Base, 1989)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-330'''
**''Accessories'': [[Rocket Base|rocket base]], rocket, platform, large ramp, helipad, short ramps (3), mechanical arm, large double laser, small double lasers (2), large laser, gunner pod, scout vehicle.

: Countdown transforms into a fanciful moon rover. He was sold with a [[Rocket Base|mobile launch base]], which can transform into a command center and connect with other [[Micromaster]] bases via modular ramps.

: This toy was sold without changes in Japan as [[Moon Radar]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Autobot/Countdown/countdown.htm More information on Countdown at TFU.info]''

{{-}}
===''Universe'' (2008)===
====Generation 1 series====
*'''Autobot Countdown''' (Ultra, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile, shield/multi-tool arm, hammer tool, claw tool, Earth Cyber Key

:A redeco of [[Red Alert (Armada)|Cybertron Defence Red Alert]], Countdown transforms into a vehicle based upon a cross between a Russian [[wikipedia: R-400 Oka|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher]] and a [[wikipedia:BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier]], colored mostly blue with a white and grey rocket as a homage to the Rocket Base that came with the original Micromaster. The left side of his vehicle mode has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be used in robot mode. Inserting a Cyber Key into the rear of the missile pops it in half, activates the electronic sound and lights, and exposes the inner spring-loaded missile launcher "laser cannon". Once transformed into robot mode he is mostly red and white, a clear homage to the original Micromaster figure. He also comes with a shield that, when a Key is inserted, flips out a multi-tool arm that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw). This can be mounted on both arms. He has two (nonfunctional) Mini-Con hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode.

:Countdown and his casemate [[Darkwing]] are "stealth" [[exclusive]] to [[Toys"R"Us]], meaning he appeared in stores before [[Hasbro]] bothered to tell anybody about it.

:This mold was also [[retool]]ed to make the [[BotCon 2006]]-[[exclusive]] [[Megatron (BW)/toys|"Dawn of Future's Past" Megatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUCountdown/countdown.htm More information on Countdown at TFU.info]''

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category:Micromasters]]
[[Category: Toys "R" Us exclusives]]
[[Category: Universe (2008)]]

Countdown (G1)

2009-10-16T22:14:33Z

66.131.29.196: /* Generation 1 series */

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Autobot Micromaster|the G.I. Joe astronaut|Countdown (G.I. Joe)}}
:''Countdown is an [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Countdown robotMTMTE.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Hero of a thousand worlds, champion of the oppressed, and destroyer of thousands of Decepticons, but no . . . let's tell more stories about stupid Bumblebee. [[Skyfall (G1)|Not that he's bitter]].]]

'''Countdown''''s mission is to roam the universe, find planets threatened by Decepticon activity, and meddle to the Autobots' benefit. He looks forward to the day when the Decepticons are defeated, and he can start toppling other tyrannical regimes.<ref>''[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|More Than Meets The Eye]]''</ref>

He possesses an [[Rocket Base|interstellar rocket and command base]]. The base is used to launch the rocket, but [[Size changing|also fits inside]] the rocket.

::''French-Canadian name'': '''Rebours'''

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Countdown was an Autobot Aerospace Commander, who volunteered for the prototype Micromaster process which downsized him and several others as a means for conserving fuel. Alongside [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], [[Groundshaker]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], he was assigned to [[Operation: Containment]]. This was a two-fold mission -- the Decepticons had begun expanding their tyranny off-planet, and the Autobots could not in good conscience allow the war to engulf other innocent worlds. At the same time, the mission team was charged with making efforts to find [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], the [[Matrix]] and the lost crew of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. Initially, Countdown did not appreciate the methods of his second-in-command, Groundshaker. A... rambunctious fighter, Groundshaker's gun-first approach to combat sometimes made it difficult for the Autobots to ingratiate themselves with local populations when confronting the Decepticon expansion. Countdown submitted a troop transfer request to Autobot Command, but it was rejected. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (G1)#Issue .233|More Than Meets The Eye, Issue #3}} Eventually, the duo began to work better together, and Countdown came to consider Groundshaker a valuable friend and ally.

[[Image:Golddendisk paradron.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Countdown argues with Skystalker over which movie they're going to watch.]]

Eventually, the two missions of Containment became cross-purposes: Decepticon forces moving in one direction, towards [[Paradron]]; a stray signal beacon emanating from the other direction, towards the Sol system. While Jetfire and Omega Supreme followed the beacon, {{storylink|Original Sin}} Countdown and Groundshaker continued on to Paradron, in order to combat the Decepticon Interstellar Assault Commander, [[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]], and his men. The Decepticons very nearly wiped out the entire populace, and only a climactic personal battle between Countdown and Skystalker engineered a temporary stalemate. Skystalker was left to die on the planet, while Countdown acquired a mysterious artifact.

The Autobot duo chose to return to Cybertron seeking reinforcements, only to find [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] woefully unsupportive of their plight. Countdown had dreams of establishing an interplanetary force, not only to stop the spread of Decepticon evil, but to actively take steps to better the other worlds in the cosmos. Seeing how little Magnus and the others had bettered their own world in his absence, though, Countdown began looking for other options. After passing the [[Hot Rod Patrol]] in the halls, and hearing them voice similar complaints about the current Autobot management, Countdown and Groundshaker decided to keeps tabs on those Micromasters. {{storylink|Destined for Nothing}}

When the Hot Rod Patrol broke free from the Autobot ranks, they set off for the Wastelands and were nearly hijacked by [[Venom (G1)|Venom]] and his team of [[Insecticon (G1)|cannibals]]. Groundshaker arrived to shake them up a bit, and took the Patrol to see Countdown for a recruitment speech. Countdown tried to explain the epiphany he'd had on Paradron, and the mission he had assumed for himself to bring justice to the universe. [[Big Daddy (G1)|Big Daddy]] and the gang weren't quite ready to hear it yet, though, and so Countdown sent them on their way to [[Little Iacon]]. {{storylink|The Gray Race}}

Once Skystalker returned and informed the Decepticons of Countdown's inevitable attempts at recruitment, the Hot Rod Patrol were targeted by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s men because of their contact with Countdown. Infuriated when Countdown told him to sit and wait, Groundshaker finally exploded and revealed that he knew about the old transfer request Countdown had filed against him. Dismayed and chagrined, Countdown apologized profusely to his comrade for the error, and insisted that he had long since changed his mind about his partner. As a show of good faith, he fully explained his reasoning and recent actions to Groundshaker. On Paradron, he had uncovered a [[Golden Disk (Paradron)|Golden Disk]] containing vast amounts of information on Cybertron, despite the lack of any previous known communications between the two worlds. The artifact apparently contained files on the past, present, AND future of the Transformer race. Countdown justified leaving the Patrol to their fate for the time being, since the Decepticons' efforts were ''clearly'' an attempt to draw them out and steal the artifact and its secrets for themselves. Groundshaker still wasn't wholly impressed, and warned Countdown that focusing too much on the big picture would only ensure that no one was left to watch out for the little guy. {{storylink|Recipe for Hate}}

The discussion became moot, though, after the Decepticon attack forced the Hot Rod Patrol to come looking for aid from Countdown. Eager to forge ties with the Patrol, Countdown agreed to join them in infiltrating Decepticon headquarters and rescuing their fellow Autobot Micromasters, who had been taken hostage from Little Iacon. This led him back into direct conflict with Skystalker for the first time since Paradron. Skystalker had been busy as well, beheading Shockwave and sending the larger Decepticons out to die in battle, clearing the way for a new Micromaster regime under his iron foot. Big Daddy interferred in their grudge match, and Skystalker vanished before Countdown could complete what he started on Paradron. With the help of Big Daddy and [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]], he negotiated a ceasefire between the Micromasters, and they in turn forced the larger Transformers to put an end to the fight Skystalker orchestrated as well. Ultimately, however, Countdown failed to convince Big Daddy and the others of the virtues of his cause. Already weighed down by the horrors of war, Big Daddy just saw Countdown's mission as another excuse for fighting and death. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1-Zone-toy Countdown-MoonRadar.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Lunar golf cart.]]
* '''Countdown''' (Micromaster Autobot Rocket Base, 1989)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-330'''
**''Accessories'': [[Rocket Base|rocket base]], rocket, platform, large ramp, helipad, short ramps (3), mechanical arm, large double laser, small double lasers (2), large laser, gunner pod, scout vehicle.

: Countdown transforms into a fanciful moon rover. He was sold with a [[Rocket Base|mobile launch base]], which can transform into a command center and connect with other [[Micromaster]] bases via modular ramps.

: This toy was sold without changes in Japan as [[Moon Radar]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Autobot/Countdown/countdown.htm More information on Countdown at TFU.info]''

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===''Universe'' (2008)===
====Generation 1 series====
*'''Autobot Countdown''' (Ultra, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Projectile, shield/multi-tool arm, hammer tool, claw tool, Earth Cyber Key

:A redeco of [[Red Alert (Armada)|Cybertron Defence Red Alert]], Countdown transforms into a vehicle based upon a cross between a Russian [[wikipedia: R-400|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher]] and a [[wikipedia:BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier]], colored mostly blue with a white and grey rocket as a homage to the Rocket Base that came with the original Micromaster. The left side of his vehicle mode has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be used in robot mode. Inserting a Cyber Key into the rear of the missile pops it in half, activates the electronic sound and lights, and exposes the inner spring-loaded missile launcher "laser cannon". Once transformed into robot mode he is mostly red and white, a clear homage to the original Micromaster figure. He also comes with a shield that, when a Key is inserted, flips out a multi-tool arm that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw). This can be mounted on both arms. He has two (nonfunctional) Mini-Con hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode.

:Countdown and his casemate [[Darkwing]] are "stealth" [[exclusive]] to [[Toys"R"Us]], meaning he appeared in stores before [[Hasbro]] bothered to tell anybody about it.

:This mold was also [[retool]]ed to make the [[BotCon 2006]]-[[exclusive]] [[Megatron (BW)/toys|"Dawn of Future's Past" Megatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUCountdown/countdown.htm More information on Countdown at TFU.info]''

==Footnotes==
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Megatron (BW)/toys

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The '''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]''' of the [[Beast Wars]] has many toys, yeeess.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronBasic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It appears to be a harmless Earth creature!]]
* '''Optimus Primal VS Megatron''' (Basic 2-pack, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: The initial version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformed into a green alligator. The toy is a [[retool]] of [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]] with new alligator and robot heads, and no frill. The screw hole for the frill bracket remains. Both toys were released at roughly the same time.

:Whether this toy can be considered the ''Beast Wars'' Megatron character as seen in the primary fiction is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Megatron as a separate entity from [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]], the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series's [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting [[micro-continuities]].

:More recently, the ''[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' has asserted that, in [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)|IDW's version of ''Beast Wars'' continuity]], Megatron's alligator body was suggested by the ''Darksyde'''s computer as a potential alternate mode, but he rejected it in favor of the more powerful T-Rex, without ever actually reformatting into it. Thus, this [[micro-continuity]] posits alligator-mode Megatron as an essentially theoretical alternate form that never actually came to be. ''Suuure.''

:This mold was additionally used to make the purple-recolored Megaligator (who may or may not be a separate character to either Megatron or [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]]). It was also proposed for [[Albitron]].

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[[Image:Bwmegatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't call him Barney.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Ultra, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: This Megatron transformed into a purple organic ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. He has limited articulation in beast mode, but his dinosaur head can [[Water-squirting gimmick|shoot water]]. In robot mode, he has no hands, as his right arm ends with his dinosaur head, and his tail, folded into a pincer, forms his left arm. The outer shells of his dinosaur thighs conceal spring-loaded missile launchers that fire anchor-shaped projectiles.

: His robot head feature two bat-like wing adornments that fold to become a [[mutant head]].

: This mold was also used to make the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]] [[T-Wrecks]].

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* '''Megaligator''' (Basic, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: In Japan, the gator Megatron toy was also sold as an individual toy, as well as in a VS pack with Optimus. The individual release is identical to the two-pack version, which is in turn identical to the Hasbro version.

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*'''Convobat vs Megaligator''' (Basic 2-pack, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

:This figure is a purple [[redeco]] of Megatron's alligator form, and was sold with a red and blue redeco of Bat Primal. This may or may not be intended to be the same character as Megatron or Generation 1 Megatron.

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*'''Arachnid''' ([[MicroVerse]], 1997)

: A small, non-transforming micro-figure of Megatron in his alligator body came with the [[MicroVerse]] [[Arachnid]] playset.

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* '''Megatron''' (Ultra, 199?)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''?'''
**''Accessories:'' Two misslies, water squirter

:A gold chrome redeco of Ultra-class Tyrannosaurus Megatron. It was a Japanese exclusive [[Lucky Draw]] figure, and at least ten were made.

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[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronTM.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ducky not included. Bummer.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Transmetal Mega, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: The third ''Beast Wars'' Megatron toy transformed from a mechanical ''Tyrannosaurus'' to an organic robot mode. As with all Transmetal toys, he has a 'third' vehicle mode; roller skates fold out of his feet and his turbines flip open. These modifications can also be deployed in robot mode. In robot mode, his tail becomes a flexible, segmented cutlass weapon. He can either hold it or it can be stored at his side on the connector piece it was attached to when in beast mode.

:The Hasbro release of this figure was in gold, dark brown, and silver. The Hasbro release is known for being remarkably fragile — the deep brown plastic used for Megatron's waist and torso is prone to eventual breakage due to stress fractures. This is not [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] ''per se'', but breakage is a known issue with the figure. The Takara version, which used a different plastic, does not have this problem.

[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronMetals.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'm the one that doesn't crumble in your hands.]]
: The Japanese version of Transmetal Megatron is slightly different. The Japanese version uses black instead of the brown of the Hasbro version, a light gray for the beast-mode hands, tail, and skates instead of the metallic silver of the Hasbro release, and the copper is darker as well.

:This mold was retooled used to make ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Predacon (Armada)|Predacon]].

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*'''Metals Convoy VS Metals Megatron''' (VS pack, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: In Japan, Transmetal Megatron was available both individually and in a two-pack with [[Optimus Primal|Mega Transmetal Optimus Primal]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[Image:BWdragonmegs toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't call him Puff, either.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Transmetal 2 Ultra, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-47'''
**''Accessories:'' Three missiles

: The final version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformed into a mostly mechanical dragon, with articulation in his legs, little dragon arms and his flexible, rubber neck with vacuum metallized overlapping plates attached on top. The neck was flexible able to be controlled and locked into position by a small lever located at its base. Two projectiles stored in his wings can be fired from a spring-loaded launcher inside his dragon's mouth.

:In robot mode, Megatron resembles a winged demon, appropriate given his characterization. His chest is dominated by a small cockpit with a control chair inside (see Trivia). Megatron's dragon neck and head replaces his left arm, with an additional missile launcher above his helmet. Transmetal 2 Megatron has a third 'vehicle' mode, which appears to be an afterthought, as it basically involves the dragon sitting very low to the ground so the wheels mounted on the legs and body can make contact and roll. His spark crystal, colored purple, is located on his dragon mode's right pectoral.

:This mold was also used to make [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].

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===Beast Machines===
[[Image:BMtoy-MegatronMega.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He's a flasher! Mangle!]]
* '''Megatron''' (Mega, 2000)

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' Mega-class toys, the first ''Beast Machines'' incarnation of Megatron was based on his Transmetal 2 dragon form, but with cues from his ''Beast Machines'' design added, specifically the gilded control helmet and the wrapping cape. A compartment on his chest can be lifted to reveal a [[spark]] chamber with a Vehicon spark crystal, similar to other Beast Machines toys. Other than a robot and dragon mode, a third mode, one that wraps and closes the dragon wings around the robot, mimics the shrouded appearance seen on the television show.

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[[Image:BMtoy-MegatronMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Looks good enough to drink.]]
* '''Megatron''' (McDonald's Happy Meal, 2000)

: Transforms from cloaked robot mode to a very weak dragon mode. Much of the toy is made of translucent plastic, and he uses light piping to light up the spark crystal on his dragon mode's tummy. He doesn't do it very well, though—you sorta have to hold him up sideways to the light and hope it's working.

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* '''Megatron''' (Little Red Rooster Meal, 2000)

: The McDonald's Happy Meal Megatron was also released in Australia through the Red Rooster restaurant chain. Like the other three toys, it came in four color schemes. He was also retooled to remove the light piping on the original. Strangely enough, the toy was labeled as "Nightscream" on the plastic baggy it came in.

* '''Beast Changer''' (Deluxe, 2001)

: A toy version of [[Noble|Savage/Noble]], he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode.

: It was later redecoed in show-accurate colors for the Japanese ''Beast Wars Returns'' toyline.

*'''Megatron''' (Jollibee Kids Meal, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Con Pencil Point Vise, wing unit

: Megatron was available as one of three figures in a Jollibee promotion. The toy is a greatly simplified version of his ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy. The dragon mode is him wearing his wings as a silly hat.

===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RMtoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Utahraptor, maybe in an alternate timeline I'm being less of a jerk right now, but that's just rampant speculation, okay?"]]
* '''Beast Megatron''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail, missile launcher, missile

: Beast Megatron is a simplified version of the 1996 Ultra ''Beast Wars'' Megatron. Much smaller, it had a very similar transformation and had a sculpt resembling the television series CGI model, but a paint scheme similar to the original toy. The tail/claw weapon was now removeable, revealing a robot fist which the tail/claw weapon could clamp around. He also came with a small laser rifle.

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===Beast Wars Returns===
* '''Megatron''' (Mega, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-05'''

:This release is the same as the American ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy.

* '''Noble Savage''' (Deluxe, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-11'''

: A toy version of [[Noble|Savage/Noble]] and a redeco of Beast Changer, he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode. The difference lies in that select red plastic parts were changed to a blue color.

[[Image:Megaheadtoy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You will have to pay a lot for this, yessss...]]
* '''Megahead Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-12'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

: This is a Japanese-[[exclusive]] redeco of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Megatron (RID)|Megabolt Megatron]]. transforms into a head-shaped spider tank, based on the [[Grand Mal]] design. A gear-wheel mechanism moves the legs up and down as the tank mode is pushed along. Pressing the [[spark crystal]] on the tank's top opens its jaw and fires a spring-loaded missile. In robot mode, this swings the entire cannon assembly up over the robot's head, along with a "battle mask".

: If one removes the toy's spider-legs in head mode, it fits into the head socket to the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] main body. Though this is likely unintended, it is pointed out here as an extra play feature.

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Titanium RM BWMegatron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
* '''Beast Wars Megatron''' (3" Robot Master, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand

: For the ''Titanium Series'', the initial 3" Megatron toy was based off his 1996 Ultra version. He's kind of squat.

:The toy features five points of articulation, including shoulders and head articulation. His dino-arm even features a 'wrist' and an articulated jaw. Despite his waist being a connection point it does not swivel.

:Megs features an enormous amount of paint for such a small toy, including cute little red eyes, and paint washes on most of his dinosaur features.

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===Timelines===
* '''Megatron''' (Ultra-class, 2006)

[[Image:Timelinestoy-MegatronDoFP.jpg|right|300px|thumb|My face defies all photographic lighting!]]
:''Accessories'': Claw attachment, hammer attachment, spring-loaded shield, [[Golden Disk]] key

:Representing Megatron before his crash on [[Earth]], ''[[Timelines (fiction)|Timelines]]'' Megatron is a [[retool]] and [[redeco]] of the ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''-series [[Cybertron Defense Team|Cybertron Defense]] [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] toy. Megatron transforms into a large, purple military vehicle similar to a cross between a Russian [[wikipedia:R-400_Oka|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher]] and a [[wikipedia:BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier]]. The left side of his vehicle mode has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be "used" in robot mode. Inserting the Golden Disk key into the rear of the missile pops it in half and exposes the inner spring-loaded missile launcher "laser cannon". Megatron comes with a shield that, when a Key is inserted, flips out a multi-tool arm that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw). This shield can be mounted on either arm. He has two (nonfunctional) [[Mini-Con]] [[Powerlinx]] hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode. He comes with a Golden Disk key marked with the [[Faction symbol|Predacon symbol]].

: Megatron was an at-show souvenir for [[BotCon 2006]], coming in a two-pack with [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe (2008)]] [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]].
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===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:BW 10th Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Grape-faces don't give up, they conquer!"]]
* '''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail, missile, Jungle Planet Key

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Hasbro]] created an all-new Deluxe-size tooling based mostly upon his original 1996 Tyrannosaurus form, but with technorganic detailing. When a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted into his tail, it opens up to reveal a missile launcher.

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small ''[[Darksyde]]'' ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet (Cybertron)|Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it. On its packaging, "Predacon" is misspelled as "Preadcon", but a sticker was placed over it with the proper spelling.

:This mold was [[Redeco|redecoed]] and released as [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]. The sculpts for both leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

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[[Image:BW Megatron BWReborn.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Is it me, or does his tail-weapon-thing have teeth?]]
* '''Optimus Primal vs. Megatron''' (multipack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: The same figures as the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' two-pack released in the United States as a Toys "R" Us exclusive and packaged with "[[Possession]]".

===Beast Wars Reborn===
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Takara]] retooled the original 1996 Ultra-sized Megatron toy, giving him a new head sculpt and a new paint scheme based upon the appearance of the CGI model used in the ''Beast Wars'' television series.

: The 1996 Ultra-sized Optimus Primal was also retooled and redecoed in the same manner.

===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail

: A redeco of ''Robot Masters'' Megatron, with extensive paint details based upon the larger Ultra class ''Beast Wars Reborn'' reissue. He came packed with a DVD of an episode of the Japanese ''Beast Wars'' dub.

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[[Image:BWTelemochaMegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Running out of caption ideas for same boring things rehashed over and over!]]
*'''DX Megatron''' (Ultra, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-SP'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

:An extensive show-accurate redeco of the original Ultra-class Megatron mold, even more so than the ''Reborn'' toy—''without'' the recently remolded show-accurate head. What the hell?

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==Merchandise==
===Metal Monument===
* '''Metal Monument Megatron''' (TAKARA, 1999)

: As the name suggests, the product is a [[die-cast]] statue of Megatron. The head is convertible/removable in order to change the normal one with the battle mask/mutant head. The [[box art]] and the design of the product are both done by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]].

===3D Battle-Card Game===
[[Image:Megatron Predacon Battle Card.jpg|right|80px|thumb|"I dare you not to make fun of me."]]
*'''Predacon Megatron''' (2007)

: A 52-point "rare" character in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]'s "Energon Wars" expansion, Megatron "transforms" into a purple approximation of a ''T. rex''. He uses the same parts layout as [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Cruellock]], although his robot mode is assembled differently. Megatron is nominally the leader of the Decepticons in the set.

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===Robot Heroes===
* '''Rattrap vs. Megatron''' (2008)

[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronrattrap.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Such a cute megalomaniac.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Rattrap]]. He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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* '''Silverbolt vs. Transmetal Megatron''' (2008)

[[Image:Robotheroessilverboltmegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He has the Golden Disk, he has the power to change the future, and the only obstacle in the way of his path to unimaginable glory... is being two inches tall.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Megatron holds the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] in a special tail attachment seen in the episode "[[Code of Hero]]". He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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==Trivia==
*The concept art for the original Ultra class figure was largely the same, except in one minor difference: The left arm would have housed an open three clawed hand. The idea of that wouldn't be revisited until the 10th anniversary Deluxe Megatron.

* In a bit of little known trivia, Hasbro originally intended Inferno to be the new body for Megatron. According to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/b334d45514e26ab4/bc8e54e9165e0823?hl=en&lnk=st&q=bob+forward+interview+inferno+megatron&rnum=1#bc8e54e9165e0823 a 1997 interview conducted by fan HooksX], Bob Forward stated: "For a while there Hasbro was planning to make the Inferno toy the new Megatron. We were going to kill Megatron and bring him back as Inferno."

[[Image:BWRConcept35.jpg|right|170px|thumb|Transmetal 2 Megatron's control art. Look! Spark figure! Painful amounts of detail!]]
*Originally, Transmetal 2 Megatron, along with [[Optimus Primal|Optimal Optimus]] and [[Tigerhawk]] were to have small driver-like figures sitting on control chairs located in cockpits on their bodies. These drivers were meant to represent their sparks. But [[Hasbro]] then later realized that kids might confuse these spark representations as drivers controlling the robots, so they were abandoned, but the cockpits remain. The spark pilot was eventually used in the Japanese release of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/MegatronGator/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
*[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/beastchanger.htm Beast Changer at TFU.info]

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Megatron (BW)/toys

2009-10-16T22:12:15Z

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The '''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]''' of the [[Beast Wars]] has many toys, yeeess.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronBasic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It appears to be a harmless Earth creature!]]
* '''Optimus Primal VS Megatron''' (Basic 2-pack, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: The initial version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformed into a green alligator. The toy is a [[retool]] of [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]] with new alligator and robot heads, and no frill. The screw hole for the frill bracket remains. Both toys were released at roughly the same time.

:Whether this toy can be considered the ''Beast Wars'' Megatron character as seen in the primary fiction is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Megatron as a separate entity from [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]], the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series's [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting [[micro-continuities]].

:More recently, the ''[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' has asserted that, in [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)|IDW's version of ''Beast Wars'' continuity]], Megatron's alligator body was suggested by the ''Darksyde'''s computer as a potential alternate mode, but he rejected it in favor of the more powerful T-Rex, without ever actually reformatting into it. Thus, this [[micro-continuity]] posits alligator-mode Megatron as an essentially theoretical alternate form that never actually came to be. ''Suuure.''

:This mold was additionally used to make the purple-recolored Megaligator (who may or may not be a separate character to either Megatron or [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]]). It was also proposed for [[Albitron]].

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[[Image:Bwmegatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't call him Barney.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Ultra, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: This Megatron transformed into a purple organic ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. He has limited articulation in beast mode, but his dinosaur head can [[Water-squirting gimmick|shoot water]]. In robot mode, he has no hands, as his right arm ends with his dinosaur head, and his tail, folded into a pincer, forms his left arm. The outer shells of his dinosaur thighs conceal spring-loaded missile launchers that fire anchor-shaped projectiles.

: His robot head feature two bat-like wing adornments that fold to become a [[mutant head]].

: This mold was also used to make the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]] [[T-Wrecks]].

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* '''Megaligator''' (Basic, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: In Japan, the gator Megatron toy was also sold as an individual toy, as well as in a VS pack with Optimus. The individual release is identical to the two-pack version, which is in turn identical to the Hasbro version.

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*'''Convobat vs Megaligator''' (Basic 2-pack, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

:This figure is a purple [[redeco]] of Megatron's alligator form, and was sold with a red and blue redeco of Bat Primal. This may or may not be intended to be the same character as Megatron or Generation 1 Megatron.

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*'''Arachnid''' ([[MicroVerse]], 1997)

: A small, non-transforming micro-figure of Megatron in his alligator body came with the [[MicroVerse]] [[Arachnid]] playset.

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* '''Megatron''' (Ultra, 199?)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''?'''
**''Accessories:'' Two misslies, water squirter

:A gold chrome redeco of Ultra-class Tyrannosaurus Megatron. It was a Japanese exclusive [[Lucky Draw]] figure, and at least ten were made.

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[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronTM.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ducky not included. Bummer.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Transmetal Mega, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: The third ''Beast Wars'' Megatron toy transformed from a mechanical ''Tyrannosaurus'' to an organic robot mode. As with all Transmetal toys, he has a 'third' vehicle mode; roller skates fold out of his feet and his turbines flip open. These modifications can also be deployed in robot mode. In robot mode, his tail becomes a flexible, segmented cutlass weapon. He can either hold it or it can be stored at his side on the connector piece it was attached to when in beast mode.

:The Hasbro release of this figure was in gold, dark brown, and silver. The Hasbro release is known for being remarkably fragile — the deep brown plastic used for Megatron's waist and torso is prone to eventual breakage due to stress fractures. This is not [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] ''per se'', but breakage is a known issue with the figure. The Takara version, which used a different plastic, does not have this problem.

[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronMetals.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'm the one that doesn't crumble in your hands.]]
: The Japanese version of Transmetal Megatron is slightly different. The Japanese version uses black instead of the brown of the Hasbro version, a light gray for the beast-mode hands, tail, and skates instead of the metallic silver of the Hasbro release, and the copper is darker as well.

:This mold was retooled used to make ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Predacon (Armada)|Predacon]].

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*'''Metals Convoy VS Metals Megatron''' (VS pack, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: In Japan, Transmetal Megatron was available both individually and in a two-pack with [[Optimus Primal|Mega Transmetal Optimus Primal]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[Image:BWdragonmegs toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't call him Puff, either.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Transmetal 2 Ultra, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-47'''
**''Accessories:'' Three missiles

: The final version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformed into a mostly mechanical dragon, with articulation in his legs, little dragon arms and his flexible, rubber neck with vacuum metallized overlapping plates attached on top. The neck was flexible able to be controlled and locked into position by a small lever located at its base. Two projectiles stored in his wings can be fired from a spring-loaded launcher inside his dragon's mouth.

:In robot mode, Megatron resembles a winged demon, appropriate given his characterization. His chest is dominated by a small cockpit with a control chair inside (see Trivia). Megatron's dragon neck and head replaces his left arm, with an additional missile launcher above his helmet. Transmetal 2 Megatron has a third 'vehicle' mode, which appears to be an afterthought, as it basically involves the dragon sitting very low to the ground so the wheels mounted on the legs and body can make contact and roll. His spark crystal, colored purple, is located on his dragon mode's right pectoral.

:This mold was also used to make [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].

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===Beast Machines===
[[Image:BMtoy-MegatronMega.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He's a flasher! Mangle!]]
* '''Megatron''' (Mega, 2000)

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' Mega-class toys, the first ''Beast Machines'' incarnation of Megatron was based on his Transmetal 2 dragon form, but with cues from his ''Beast Machines'' design added, specifically the gilded control helmet and the wrapping cape. A compartment on his chest can be lifted to reveal a [[spark]] chamber with a Vehicon spark crystal, similar to other Beast Machines toys. Other than a robot and dragon mode, a third mode, one that wraps and closes the dragon wings around the robot, mimics the shrouded appearance seen on the television show.

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[[Image:BMtoy-MegatronMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Looks good enough to drink.]]
* '''Megatron''' (McDonald's Happy Meal, 2000)

: Transforms from cloaked robot mode to a very weak dragon mode. Much of the toy is made of translucent plastic, and he uses light piping to light up the spark crystal on his dragon mode's tummy. He doesn't do it very well, though—you sorta have to hold him up sideways to the light and hope it's working.

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* '''Megatron''' (Little Red Rooster Meal, 2000)

: The McDonald's Happy Meal Megatron was also released in Australia through the Red Rooster restaurant chain. Like the other three toys, it came in four color schemes. He was also retooled to remove the light piping on the original. Strangely enough, the toy was labeled as "Nightscream" on the plastic baggy it came in.

* '''Beast Changer''' (Deluxe, 2001)

: A toy version of [[Noble|Savage/Noble]], he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode.

: It was later redecoed in show-accurate colors for the Japanese ''Beast Wars Returns'' toyline.

*'''Megatron''' (Jollibee Kids Meal, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Con Pencil Point Vise, wing unit

: Megatron was available as one of three figures in a Jollibee promotion. The toy is a greatly simplified version of his ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy. The dragon mode is him wearing his wings as a silly hat.

===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RMtoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Utahraptor, maybe in an alternate timeline I'm being less of a jerk right now, but that's just rampant speculation, okay?"]]
* '''Beast Megatron''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail, missile launcher, missile

: Beast Megatron is a simplified version of the 1996 Ultra ''Beast Wars'' Megatron. Much smaller, it had a very similar transformation and had a sculpt resembling the television series CGI model, but a paint scheme similar to the original toy. The tail/claw weapon was now removeable, revealing a robot fist which the tail/claw weapon could clamp around. He also came with a small laser rifle.

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===Beast Wars Returns===
* '''Megatron''' (Mega, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-05'''

:This release is the same as the American ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy.

* '''Noble Savage''' (Deluxe, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-11'''

: A toy version of [[Noble|Savage/Noble]] and a redeco of Beast Changer, he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode. The difference lies in that select red plastic parts were changed to a blue color.

[[Image:Megaheadtoy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You will have to pay a lot for this, yessss...]]
* '''Megahead Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-12'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

: This is a Japanese-[[exclusive]] redeco of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Megatron (RID)|Megabolt Megatron]]. transforms into a head-shaped spider tank, based on the [[Grand Mal]] design. A gear-wheel mechanism moves the legs up and down as the tank mode is pushed along. Pressing the [[spark crystal]] on the tank's top opens its jaw and fires a spring-loaded missile. In robot mode, this swings the entire cannon assembly up over the robot's head, along with a "battle mask".

: If one removes the toy's spider-legs in head mode, it fits into the head socket to the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] main body. Though this is likely unintended, it is pointed out here as an extra play feature.

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Titanium RM BWMegatron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
* '''Beast Wars Megatron''' (3" Robot Master, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand

: For the ''Titanium Series'', the initial 3" Megatron toy was based off his 1996 Ultra version. He's kind of squat.

:The toy features five points of articulation, including shoulders and head articulation. His dino-arm even features a 'wrist' and an articulated jaw. Despite his waist being a connection point it does not swivel.

:Megs features an enormous amount of paint for such a small toy, including cute little red eyes, and paint washes on most of his dinosaur features.

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===Timelines===
* '''Megatron''' (Ultra-class, 2006)

[[Image:Timelinestoy-MegatronDoFP.jpg|right|300px|thumb|My face defies all photographic lighting!]]
:''Accessories'': Claw attachment, hammer attachment, spring-loaded shield, [[Golden Disk]] key

:Representing Megatron before his crash on [[Earth]], ''[[Timelines (fiction)|Timelines]]'' Megatron is a [[retool]] and [[redeco]] of the ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''-series [[Cybertron Defense Team|Cybertron Defense]] [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] toy. Megatron transforms into a large, purple miltary vehicle similar to a cross between a Russian [[wikipedia:R-400_Oka|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher]] and a [[wikipedia:BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier]]. The left side of his vehicle mode has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be "used" in robot mode. Inserting the Golden Disk key into the rear of the missile pops it in half and exposes the inner spring-loaded missile launcher "laser cannon". Megatron comes with a shield that, when a Key is inserted, flips out a multi-tool arm that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw). This shield can be mounted on either arm. He has two (nonfunctional) [[Mini-Con]] [[Powerlinx]] hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode. He comes with a Golden Disk key marked with the [[Faction symbol|Predacon symbol]].

: Megatron was an at-show souvenir for [[BotCon 2006]], coming in a two-pack with [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe (2008)]] [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]].
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===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:BW 10th Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Grape-faces don't give up, they conquer!"]]
* '''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail, missile, Jungle Planet Key

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Hasbro]] created an all-new Deluxe-size tooling based mostly upon his original 1996 Tyrannosaurus form, but with technorganic detailing. When a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted into his tail, it opens up to reveal a missile launcher.

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small ''[[Darksyde]]'' ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet (Cybertron)|Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it. On its packaging, "Predacon" is misspelled as "Preadcon", but a sticker was placed over it with the proper spelling.

:This mold was [[Redeco|redecoed]] and released as [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]. The sculpts for both leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

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[[Image:BW Megatron BWReborn.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Is it me, or does his tail-weapon-thing have teeth?]]
* '''Optimus Primal vs. Megatron''' (multipack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: The same figures as the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' two-pack released in the United States as a Toys "R" Us exclusive and packaged with "[[Possession]]".

===Beast Wars Reborn===
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Takara]] retooled the original 1996 Ultra-sized Megatron toy, giving him a new head sculpt and a new paint scheme based upon the appearance of the CGI model used in the ''Beast Wars'' television series.

: The 1996 Ultra-sized Optimus Primal was also retooled and redecoed in the same manner.

===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail

: A redeco of ''Robot Masters'' Megatron, with extensive paint details based upon the larger Ultra class ''Beast Wars Reborn'' reissue. He came packed with a DVD of an episode of the Japanese ''Beast Wars'' dub.

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[[Image:BWTelemochaMegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Running out of caption ideas for same boring things rehashed over and over!]]
*'''DX Megatron''' (Ultra, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-SP'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

:An extensive show-accurate redeco of the original Ultra-class Megatron mold, even more so than the ''Reborn'' toy—''without'' the recently remolded show-accurate head. What the hell?

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==Merchandise==
===Metal Monument===
* '''Metal Monument Megatron''' (TAKARA, 1999)

: As the name suggests, the product is a [[die-cast]] statue of Megatron. The head is convertible/removable in order to change the normal one with the battle mask/mutant head. The [[box art]] and the design of the product are both done by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]].

===3D Battle-Card Game===
[[Image:Megatron Predacon Battle Card.jpg|right|80px|thumb|"I dare you not to make fun of me."]]
*'''Predacon Megatron''' (2007)

: A 52-point "rare" character in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]'s "Energon Wars" expansion, Megatron "transforms" into a purple approximation of a ''T. rex''. He uses the same parts layout as [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Cruellock]], although his robot mode is assembled differently. Megatron is nominally the leader of the Decepticons in the set.

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===Robot Heroes===
* '''Rattrap vs. Megatron''' (2008)

[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronrattrap.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Such a cute megalomaniac.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Rattrap]]. He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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* '''Silverbolt vs. Transmetal Megatron''' (2008)

[[Image:Robotheroessilverboltmegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He has the Golden Disk, he has the power to change the future, and the only obstacle in the way of his path to unimaginable glory... is being two inches tall.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Megatron holds the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] in a special tail attachment seen in the episode "[[Code of Hero]]". He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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==Trivia==
*The concept art for the original Ultra class figure was largely the same, except in one minor difference: The left arm would have housed an open three clawed hand. The idea of that wouldn't be revisited until the 10th anniversary Deluxe Megatron.

* In a bit of little known trivia, Hasbro originally intended Inferno to be the new body for Megatron. According to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/b334d45514e26ab4/bc8e54e9165e0823?hl=en&lnk=st&q=bob+forward+interview+inferno+megatron&rnum=1#bc8e54e9165e0823 a 1997 interview conducted by fan HooksX], Bob Forward stated: "For a while there Hasbro was planning to make the Inferno toy the new Megatron. We were going to kill Megatron and bring him back as Inferno."

[[Image:BWRConcept35.jpg|right|170px|thumb|Transmetal 2 Megatron's control art. Look! Spark figure! Painful amounts of detail!]]
*Originally, Transmetal 2 Megatron, along with [[Optimus Primal|Optimal Optimus]] and [[Tigerhawk]] were to have small driver-like figures sitting on control chairs located in cockpits on their bodies. These drivers were meant to represent their sparks. But [[Hasbro]] then later realized that kids might confuse these spark representations as drivers controlling the robots, so they were abandoned, but the cockpits remain. The spark pilot was eventually used in the Japanese release of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/MegatronGator/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
*[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/beastchanger.htm Beast Changer at TFU.info]

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Megatron (BW)/toys

2009-10-16T22:09:51Z

66.131.29.196: /* Timelines */

The '''[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]''' of the [[Beast Wars]] has many toys, yeeess.

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronBasic.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It appears to be a harmless Earth creature!]]
* '''Optimus Primal VS Megatron''' (Basic 2-pack, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: The initial version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformed into a green alligator. The toy is a [[retool]] of [[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]] with new alligator and robot heads, and no frill. The screw hole for the frill bracket remains. Both toys were released at roughly the same time.

:Whether this toy can be considered the ''Beast Wars'' Megatron character as seen in the primary fiction is a matter of debate. Released before the animated series began, which established Megatron as a separate entity from [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]], the accompanying profiles and mini-comic seem to assume that the Beast Wars are a progression of the same characters from the Autobot/Decepticon war. Whether the animated series's [[retcon]] affected this set of toys is probably a matter of personal preference. It can be interpreted as representing one of the more interesting [[micro-continuities]].

:More recently, the ''[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]'' has asserted that, in [[Beast Wars timeline (IDW)|IDW's version of ''Beast Wars'' continuity]], Megatron's alligator body was suggested by the ''Darksyde'''s computer as a potential alternate mode, but he rejected it in favor of the more powerful T-Rex, without ever actually reformatting into it. Thus, this [[micro-continuity]] posits alligator-mode Megatron as an essentially theoretical alternate form that never actually came to be. ''Suuure.''

:This mold was additionally used to make the purple-recolored Megaligator (who may or may not be a separate character to either Megatron or [[Megatron (G1)|Generation 1 Megatron]]). It was also proposed for [[Albitron]].

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[[Image:Bwmegatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't call him Barney.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Ultra, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: This Megatron transformed into a purple organic ''Tyrannosaurus rex''. He has limited articulation in beast mode, but his dinosaur head can [[Water-squirting gimmick|shoot water]]. In robot mode, he has no hands, as his right arm ends with his dinosaur head, and his tail, folded into a pincer, forms his left arm. The outer shells of his dinosaur thighs conceal spring-loaded missile launchers that fire anchor-shaped projectiles.

: His robot head feature two bat-like wing adornments that fold to become a [[mutant head]].

: This mold was also used to make the ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Dinobot (BM)|Dinobot]] [[T-Wrecks]].

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* '''Megaligator''' (Basic, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-6'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

: In Japan, the gator Megatron toy was also sold as an individual toy, as well as in a VS pack with Optimus. The individual release is identical to the two-pack version, which is in turn identical to the Hasbro version.

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*'''Convobat vs Megaligator''' (Basic 2-pack, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''S-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail

:This figure is a purple [[redeco]] of Megatron's alligator form, and was sold with a red and blue redeco of Bat Primal. This may or may not be intended to be the same character as Megatron or Generation 1 Megatron.

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*'''Arachnid''' ([[MicroVerse]], 1997)

: A small, non-transforming micro-figure of Megatron in his alligator body came with the [[MicroVerse]] [[Arachnid]] playset.

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* '''Megatron''' (Ultra, 199?)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''?'''
**''Accessories:'' Two misslies, water squirter

:A gold chrome redeco of Ultra-class Tyrannosaurus Megatron. It was a Japanese exclusive [[Lucky Draw]] figure, and at least ten were made.

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[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronTM.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ducky not included. Bummer.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Transmetal Mega, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: The third ''Beast Wars'' Megatron toy transformed from a mechanical ''Tyrannosaurus'' to an organic robot mode. As with all Transmetal toys, he has a 'third' vehicle mode; roller skates fold out of his feet and his turbines flip open. These modifications can also be deployed in robot mode. In robot mode, his tail becomes a flexible, segmented cutlass weapon. He can either hold it or it can be stored at his side on the connector piece it was attached to when in beast mode.

:The Hasbro release of this figure was in gold, dark brown, and silver. The Hasbro release is known for being remarkably fragile — the deep brown plastic used for Megatron's waist and torso is prone to eventual breakage due to stress fractures. This is not [[Gold Plastic Syndrome]] ''per se'', but breakage is a known issue with the figure. The Takara version, which used a different plastic, does not have this problem.

[[Image:BWtoy-MegatronMetals.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'm the one that doesn't crumble in your hands.]]
: The Japanese version of Transmetal Megatron is slightly different. The Japanese version uses black instead of the brown of the Hasbro version, a light gray for the beast-mode hands, tail, and skates instead of the metallic silver of the Hasbro release, and the copper is darker as well.

:This mold was retooled used to make ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Predacon (Armada)|Predacon]].

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*'''Metals Convoy VS Metals Megatron''' (VS pack, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-40'''
**''Accessories:'' Tail/whip

: In Japan, Transmetal Megatron was available both individually and in a two-pack with [[Optimus Primal|Mega Transmetal Optimus Primal]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[Image:BWdragonmegs toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Don't call him Puff, either.]]
* '''Megatron''' (Transmetal 2 Ultra, 1999)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-47'''
**''Accessories:'' Three missiles

: The final version of ''Beast Wars'' Megatron transformed into a mostly mechanical dragon, with articulation in his legs, little dragon arms and his flexible, rubber neck with vacuum metallized overlapping plates attached on top. The neck was flexible able to be controlled and locked into position by a small lever located at its base. Two projectiles stored in his wings can be fired from a spring-loaded launcher inside his dragon's mouth.

:In robot mode, Megatron resembles a winged demon, appropriate given his characterization. His chest is dominated by a small cockpit with a control chair inside (see Trivia). Megatron's dragon neck and head replaces his left arm, with an additional missile launcher above his helmet. Transmetal 2 Megatron has a third 'vehicle' mode, which appears to be an afterthought, as it basically involves the dragon sitting very low to the ground so the wheels mounted on the legs and body can make contact and roll. His spark crystal, colored purple, is located on his dragon mode's right pectoral.

:This mold was also used to make [[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].

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===Beast Machines===
[[Image:BMtoy-MegatronMega.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He's a flasher! Mangle!]]
* '''Megatron''' (Mega, 2000)

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Beast Machines (toyline)|Beast Machines]]'' Mega-class toys, the first ''Beast Machines'' incarnation of Megatron was based on his Transmetal 2 dragon form, but with cues from his ''Beast Machines'' design added, specifically the gilded control helmet and the wrapping cape. A compartment on his chest can be lifted to reveal a [[spark]] chamber with a Vehicon spark crystal, similar to other Beast Machines toys. Other than a robot and dragon mode, a third mode, one that wraps and closes the dragon wings around the robot, mimics the shrouded appearance seen on the television show.

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[[Image:BMtoy-MegatronMcD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Looks good enough to drink.]]
* '''Megatron''' (McDonald's Happy Meal, 2000)

: Transforms from cloaked robot mode to a very weak dragon mode. Much of the toy is made of translucent plastic, and he uses light piping to light up the spark crystal on his dragon mode's tummy. He doesn't do it very well, though—you sorta have to hold him up sideways to the light and hope it's working.

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* '''Megatron''' (Little Red Rooster Meal, 2000)

: The McDonald's Happy Meal Megatron was also released in Australia through the Red Rooster restaurant chain. Like the other three toys, it came in four color schemes. He was also retooled to remove the light piping on the original. Strangely enough, the toy was labeled as "Nightscream" on the plastic baggy it came in.

* '''Beast Changer''' (Deluxe, 2001)

: A toy version of [[Noble|Savage/Noble]], he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode.

: It was later redecoed in show-accurate colors for the Japanese ''Beast Wars Returns'' toyline.

*'''Megatron''' (Jollibee Kids Meal, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Con Pencil Point Vise, wing unit

: Megatron was available as one of three figures in a Jollibee promotion. The toy is a greatly simplified version of his ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy. The dragon mode is him wearing his wings as a silly hat.

===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RMtoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Utahraptor, maybe in an alternate timeline I'm being less of a jerk right now, but that's just rampant speculation, okay?"]]
* '''Beast Megatron''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail, missile launcher, missile

: Beast Megatron is a simplified version of the 1996 Ultra ''Beast Wars'' Megatron. Much smaller, it had a very similar transformation and had a sculpt resembling the television series CGI model, but a paint scheme similar to the original toy. The tail/claw weapon was now removeable, revealing a robot fist which the tail/claw weapon could clamp around. He also came with a small laser rifle.

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===Beast Wars Returns===
* '''Megatron''' (Mega, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-05'''

:This release is the same as the American ''Beast Machines'' Mega toy.

* '''Noble Savage''' (Deluxe, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-11'''

: A toy version of [[Noble|Savage/Noble]] and a redeco of Beast Changer, he transforms from a wolf-creature to a dragon creature, with no robot mode. The difference lies in that select red plastic parts were changed to a blue color.

[[Image:Megaheadtoy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You will have to pay a lot for this, yessss...]]
* '''Megahead Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-12'''
**''Accessories:'' Missile

: This is a Japanese-[[exclusive]] redeco of ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Megatron (RID)|Megabolt Megatron]]. transforms into a head-shaped spider tank, based on the [[Grand Mal]] design. A gear-wheel mechanism moves the legs up and down as the tank mode is pushed along. Pressing the [[spark crystal]] on the tank's top opens its jaw and fires a spring-loaded missile. In robot mode, this swings the entire cannon assembly up over the robot's head, along with a "battle mask".

: If one removes the toy's spider-legs in head mode, it fits into the head socket to the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] main body. Though this is likely unintended, it is pointed out here as an extra play feature.

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Titanium RM BWMegatron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
* '''Beast Wars Megatron''' (3" Robot Master, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Stand

: For the ''Titanium Series'', the initial 3" Megatron toy was based off his 1996 Ultra version. He's kind of squat.

:The toy features five points of articulation, including shoulders and head articulation. His dino-arm even features a 'wrist' and an articulated jaw. Despite his waist being a connection point it does not swivel.

:Megs features an enormous amount of paint for such a small toy, including cute little red eyes, and paint washes on most of his dinosaur features.

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===Timelines===
* '''Megatron''' (Ultra-class, 2006)

[[Image:Timelinestoy-MegatronDoFP.jpg|right|300px|thumb|My face defies all photographic lighting!]]
:''Accessories'': Claw attachment, hammer attachment, spring-loaded shield, [[Golden Disk]] key

:Representing Megatron before his crash on [[Earth]], ''[[Timelines (fiction)|Timelines]]'' Megatron is a [[retool]] and [[redeco]] of the ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''-series [[Cybertron Defense Team|Cybertron Defense]] [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] toy. Megatron transforms into a large, purple military vehicle similar to a Russian [[wikipedia:R-400_Oka|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher]] and a [[wikipedia:BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier]]. The left side of his vehicle mode has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be "used" in robot mode. Inserting the Golden Disk key into the rear of the missile pops it in half and exposes the inner spring-loaded missile launcher "laser cannon". Megatron comes with a shield that, when a Key is inserted, flips out a multi-tool arm that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw). This shield can be mounted on either arm. He has two (nonfunctional) [[Mini-Con]] [[Powerlinx]] hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode. He comes with a Golden Disk key marked with the [[Faction symbol|Predacon symbol]].

: Megatron was an at-show souvenir for [[BotCon 2006]], coming in a two-pack with [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe (2008)]] [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]].
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===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
[[Image:BW 10th Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Grape-faces don't give up, they conquer!"]]
* '''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/tail, missile, Jungle Planet Key

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Hasbro]] created an all-new Deluxe-size tooling based mostly upon his original 1996 Tyrannosaurus form, but with technorganic detailing. When a [[Cyber Planet Key]] is inserted into his tail, it opens up to reveal a missile launcher.

: He is also packaged with a mini-comic-sized reprinting of [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Gathering]]'' #1, a small ''[[Darksyde]]'' ship figurine, and a [[Jungle Planet (Cybertron)|Jungle Planet]] style Cyber Planet Key ''without'' a [[Cyber Key Code]] stamped on it. On its packaging, "Predacon" is misspelled as "Preadcon", but a sticker was placed over it with the proper spelling.

:This mold was [[Redeco|redecoed]] and released as [[Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]. The sculpts for both leader toys were intentionally designed to blend in with the Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" they didn't get a Beast Wars Anniversary release (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

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[[Image:BW Megatron BWReborn.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Is it me, or does his tail-weapon-thing have teeth?]]
* '''Optimus Primal vs. Megatron''' (multipack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: The same figures as the ''Beast Wars Reborn'' two-pack released in the United States as a Toys "R" Us exclusive and packaged with "[[Possession]]".

===Beast Wars Reborn===
* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BWR-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

: For the 10th Anniversary of ''Beast Wars'', [[Takara]] retooled the original 1996 Ultra-sized Megatron toy, giving him a new head sculpt and a new paint scheme based upon the appearance of the CGI model used in the ''Beast Wars'' television series.

: The 1996 Ultra-sized Optimus Primal was also retooled and redecoed in the same manner.

===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===
*'''Megatron''' (Deluxe, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Claw/tail

: A redeco of ''Robot Masters'' Megatron, with extensive paint details based upon the larger Ultra class ''Beast Wars Reborn'' reissue. He came packed with a DVD of an episode of the Japanese ''Beast Wars'' dub.

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[[Image:BWTelemochaMegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Running out of caption ideas for same boring things rehashed over and over!]]
*'''DX Megatron''' (Ultra, 2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TM-SP'''
**''Accessories:'' Two missiles, water squirter

:An extensive show-accurate redeco of the original Ultra-class Megatron mold, even more so than the ''Reborn'' toy—''without'' the recently remolded show-accurate head. What the hell?

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==Merchandise==
===Metal Monument===
* '''Metal Monument Megatron''' (TAKARA, 1999)

: As the name suggests, the product is a [[die-cast]] statue of Megatron. The head is convertible/removable in order to change the normal one with the battle mask/mutant head. The [[box art]] and the design of the product are both done by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]].

===3D Battle-Card Game===
[[Image:Megatron Predacon Battle Card.jpg|right|80px|thumb|"I dare you not to make fun of me."]]
*'''Predacon Megatron''' (2007)

: A 52-point "rare" character in the [[3D Battle-Card Game]]'s "Energon Wars" expansion, Megatron "transforms" into a purple approximation of a ''T. rex''. He uses the same parts layout as [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Cruellock]], although his robot mode is assembled differently. Megatron is nominally the leader of the Decepticons in the set.

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===Robot Heroes===
* '''Rattrap vs. Megatron''' (2008)

[[Image:Robotheroesmegatronrattrap.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Such a cute megalomaniac.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Rattrap]]. He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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* '''Silverbolt vs. Transmetal Megatron''' (2008)

[[Image:Robotheroessilverboltmegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He has the Golden Disk, he has the power to change the future, and the only obstacle in the way of his path to unimaginable glory... is being two inches tall.]]
:Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Megatron comes packaged with [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Megatron holds the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]] in a special tail attachment seen in the episode "[[Code of Hero]]". He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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==Trivia==
*The concept art for the original Ultra class figure was largely the same, except in one minor difference: The left arm would have housed an open three clawed hand. The idea of that wouldn't be revisited until the 10th anniversary Deluxe Megatron.

* In a bit of little known trivia, Hasbro originally intended Inferno to be the new body for Megatron. According to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/b334d45514e26ab4/bc8e54e9165e0823?hl=en&lnk=st&q=bob+forward+interview+inferno+megatron&rnum=1#bc8e54e9165e0823 a 1997 interview conducted by fan HooksX], Bob Forward stated: "For a while there Hasbro was planning to make the Inferno toy the new Megatron. We were going to kill Megatron and bring him back as Inferno."

[[Image:BWRConcept35.jpg|right|170px|thumb|Transmetal 2 Megatron's control art. Look! Spark figure! Painful amounts of detail!]]
*Originally, Transmetal 2 Megatron, along with [[Optimus Primal|Optimal Optimus]] and [[Tigerhawk]] were to have small driver-like figures sitting on control chairs located in cockpits on their bodies. These drivers were meant to represent their sparks. But [[Hasbro]] then later realized that kids might confuse these spark representations as drivers controlling the robots, so they were abandoned, but the cockpits remain. The spark pilot was eventually used in the Japanese release of [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]].

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/MegatronGator/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
*[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Maximal/BeastChanger/beastchanger.htm Beast Changer at TFU.info]

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Red Alert (Armada)

2009-10-16T21:48:29Z

66.131.29.196: /* Cybertron */

{{disambig3|Red Alert}}
:''Red Alert is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Redalertut.jpg|right|283px|thumb|Red Alert takes a cue from the Quad City DJs]]
'''Red Alert''' was once a fierce warrior. It was not until he was seriously wounded, losing his hand permanently in battle, that he was able to sit back and realize how terrible war is. He is now a reluctant fighter, and somewhat emotionally detached, preferring to repair his friends than tear his enemies to shreds. This does not mean he is now a coward. To the contrary, when a fellow Autobot on the battlefield needs his immediate medical attention, he will be there no matter what it takes. He's a brilliant medic and scientist, but he's also extremely cautious.

His nominal [[Mini-Con]] partner is [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]], though during the search for the [[Cyber Planet Key|Cyber Planet Keys]], he was accompanied to [[Velocitron]] by [[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]].

:''Japanese ''Armada'' name'': '''Ratchet'''
:''Japanese ''Galaxy Force'' name'': '''First Aid''', '''First Gunner''' ("Cybertron Defense")
:''Hungarian name'': '''Riadó''' ("Alert")
:''Polish ''Armada'' name'': '''Alarmus''' (Alertus)

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
====''Armada'' ====
[[Image:DWArmada2 RedAlert filtrekshields.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
One million years ago, a new faction of Transformers, calling themselves "[[Decepticon|Decepticons]]" attacked various [[Mini-Con]] villages on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for unknown, but most likely nefarious purposes. Red Alert was under [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime's]] personal squad, sifting through the ruins of Mini-Con Village C-52 hoping to find survivors, though Red Alert was more interested in the fact that the Mini-Cons were using outdated [[Filtrek-A forceshields]]. What had happened to the Mini-Cons was that they had been forcibly re-engineered to "[[Powerlinx|powerlink]]" with the Decepticons, granting the [[bulk]]s increased power, which the Autobots learned first hand when [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] attacked [[Cyber City]]. Realizing that they were no match for the Decepticons, Red Alert desperately asked Prime for orders. Knowing that they would be killed if they stayed, Optimus ordered a retreat. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 2|Dreamwave Armada issue 2}}

For a million years the civil war raged on, the once-proud Autobots struggled to defend themselves against the powerful, Mini-Con augmented Decepticons, who were in possession of Cybertron's only remaining Mini-Cons, the others having escaped at the beginning of the conflict. Hope came in the form of a Mini-Con Reactivation Signal detected by Cybertron's Decepticon-controlled communications satellites, which Red Alert was able to hack into. The Autobots resolved to travel to this distant world of [[Earth]] and resolved to fight for Truth, Justice and Freedom. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 3|Dreamwave Armada issue 3}}

[[Image:DWArmada4 RedAlert Scavenger yourface.jpg|right|200px|thumb|]]
Arriving on Earth at the [[Allspark Power Generation Station]], Red Alert attempted to communicate with the indigenous [[human]] species, asking for their help in finding the Mini-Cons, but only managing to frighten them off. [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] jokingly suggested it was because of his face. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 4|Dreamwave Armada issue 4}} Unfortunately for the Autobots, the Decepticons had already arrived and were chasing after [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug's]] group of Mini-Cons and their human friends, [[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] and [[Alexis]]. Just as [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] were about to jump Scavenger, Red Alert and [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] arrived to outflank them. Eventually Megatron powerlinked with all of his Mini-Cons and gained the upper hand, but help came in the form of [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]]'s group of Mini-Cons, who powerlinked with the Autobots. [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]] linked with Red Alert, a chest-mounted disk launcher. At a tactical disadvantage, the Decepticons were forced to flee. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 5|Dreamwave Armada issue 5}}

After establishing a base on Earth on the outskirts of [[Lincoln (South Dakota)|Lincoln]], [[South Dakota]], Megatron attacked the human city with the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], the forcibly combined form of the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Team]], to goad the Autobots to emerge from their hidden [[Autobase (Armada)|Autobase]]. Red Alert tried to contact the [[Street Action Mini-Con Team|Street Action Team]] to no avail, and the Autobots realised the Autobot-allied Mini-Cons must have left earlier to infiltrate the Decepticon base at [[Silver Ridge]]. Despite the considerable tactical disadvantage, the Autobots emerged and fought off the Decepticons as best they could, Red Alert somehow gaining the ability to use his claw rifle without powerlinking with not-present [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]]. Fortunately just as Megatron was about to deal a fatal blow to Optimus Prime, Longarm and the Mini-Cons arrived, powerlinked with their respective Autobot partners, allowing the good guys to free the Air Defense Team and send the Decepticons packing. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 7|Dreamwave Armada issue 7}}

[[Image:DWArmada10 RedAlert HotShot VENTSURPRISE.jpg|left|250px|thumb|]]
Soon afterwards, when Red Alert was looking in on the Mini-Cons, he discovered that they had vanished. Again. He thought that as they were free to come and go as they pleased, perhaps they needed some time to cool off after Optimus Prime admonished them for disobeying his orders during the Air Defense Team incident. The Autobots received an answer to the mystery when local news networks reported strange lights in [[Tranquility (Kansas)|Tranquility]], [[Kansas]]. Racing there in a [[Autobot shuttle|shuttle]], they discovered that the Mini-Cons were being subconsciously drawn to a strange obelisk. Unfortunately, the Decepticons were there as well and a fight quickly broke out, but as they fought, the Mini-Cons (and Rad) were taken into the obelisk and it blasted off to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 8|Dreamwave Armada issue 8}} With the shuttle destroyed, Optimus Prime prepared to use the [[space bridge]] to go back to Cybertron and retrieve specialised equipment needed to fly to the Moon, but the Decepticon sensors had to be neutralised before he could do so without compromising security. Hot Shot and Red Alert infiltrated the Decepticon base at Silver Ridge, knocked out [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] and erased the space bridge trace data of Prime travelling to Cybertron. Unfortunately, just before Prime returned, [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] returned to Silver Ridge, forcing Red and Hot Shot to hide inside a wall panel. Determined not to let the Decepticons learn of their secret Autobase locations on both Earth and Cybertron, Red Alert and Hot Shot blasted the hapless Decepticons and destroyed their computer. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 10|Dreamwave Armada issue 10}}

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====''Energon''====
While Optimus Prime waited for a meeting with the High Council, Red Alert, Scavenger and [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]] were seen travelling on a highway in the center of [[Cyber City]]. {{storylink|This Evil Reborn|This Evil Reborn}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''Armada'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brian Dobson]] (English), [[Ikuya Sawaki]] (Japanese), [[Claus Brockmeyer]] (German), [[Stefan Berglund]] (Swedish)

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====''Cybertron'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor'': [[Brian Dobson]] (English), [[Yasuyuki Kase]] (Japanese), [[Robert Kotulla]] (German)

Throughout the series, Red Alert spoke with a [[Accents|Liverpudlian accent]]. He was first seen communicating with Optimus Prime via video screen, showing him the destruction of the planet [[Moriturus]]. Red Alert did not immediately join his comrades on Earth, instead remaining on a remote observation station to monitor the [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]].

He did not come to Earth until after the failure of his gravitron grid to negate the black hole. To the surprise of the others, the scientifically-minded Red Alert considered [[Vector Prime]]'s plan to use the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s and the [[Omega Lock]] viable. {{storylink|Hidden}}

Red Alert was first seen on Earth when coming along with [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] to reinforce the [[Autobot]]s during their conflict outside a museum. Shortly after, he was sent along with Hot Shot on a covert mission to Velocitron to search for the Cyber Planet Key there. Red Alert was very dismayed at the prospect of a secret mission with the impetuous younger Autobot. {{storylink|Landmine (episode)|Landmine}}

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===3H ''Universe'' comics===
[[Image:TFUjailbreak.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
Red Alert (or an alternate-universe incarnation of him) was one of the countless Cybertrons captured by agents of [[Unicron]] and held prisoner in the [[Cauldron]] arena. The quick thinking of [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] released them, and Red Alert participated in the great escape. Presumably he was transported back to his proper dimension thanks to the power of [[Primus]]. {{storylink|Escape (issue)|Escape}}

{{note|If this wasn't an alternate-universe incarnation of the character, his appearance in the Universe fiction may explain why he was absent during the Energon series. Alternately, it could be the Red Alert from the Energon comics.}}
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===Cyber Key Code content===
Red Alert fought beside [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] and [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] until one day [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] used his Energon Saber to cut off his hand. Red Alert has never forgiven him.

==Games==
===''Transformers''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daran Norris]] (English)

When Optimus Prime took to the field, Red Alert served as his dispatcher, alerting him via radio to mission objectives and giving him warnings.

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==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:Armra.jpg|right|250px|thumb|RED UH-LURT!]]
{{listen|RedAlertWooWooWooWooWoo.ogg|RedAlertWooWooWooWooWoo.ogg|"Red Uh-Lert! Woo!Woo!Woo!Woo!Woo!" This never gets old. NEVER.|55 Kb}}

*'''Red Alert w/Longarm''' (Max-Con, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MC-02'''
**''Accessories'': Claw-missile, disc, 2 hand-attachments

: Red Alert transforms into a white Nissan Patrol rescue SUV. When a [[Mini-Con]] is attached to his hood-mounted Mini-Con port, the grille springs open. Pulling back on the attached Mini-Con launches a rescue disk/missile. Similarly, when a Mini-Con is used on his emergency lights port and is pushed forward, the sirens flash and a voice chip proclaims "RED-ALERT! WOO-WOO-WOO-WOO-WOO!" (Naturally, the Japanese version has different sounds.) In robot mode, pulling back on the Mini-Con unlocks a shoulder-mounted missile/rescue grappling claw launcher, which can also be detached and held in his hand. His right leg guard contains several tools that can be attached onto his left wrist socket, while his left leg guard can be unfolded to become a Mini-Con repair bay. He comes with his Mini-Con partner [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]].

: The [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] version has some slight [[Paint operation|paint application]] differences from the [[Hasbro]] version, mainly a "separated" Autobot insignia and the addition of dark blue paint on his kneecaps.

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Prowl (Energon)|Prowl]] and [[Movie (toyline)|Movie]] [[Inferno (Movie)|Inferno]].

*'''Red Alert''' (Fast food premium, 2003)

: This simplified version of Red Alert features a pull-back motor that zips him along in SUV mode. The toy also features Powerlinx plugs, which enable him to form the "leg" of a really silly-looking "super robot" along with the Happy Meal versions of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] and [[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]].


[[Image:Powerlinx Red Alert toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|ORANGE UH-LURT!]]
*'''Powerlinx Red Alert w/Longarm''' (Max-Con, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MC-12'''
**''Accessories'': Claw-missile, disc, blaster hand-attachment, triple-blaster hand attachment

: This is a predominantly orange [[redeco]] of ''Armada'' Red Alert, with white stripes and 'RESCUE' [[tampograph]]ed lettering, giving him a more beach-rescue vibe. He retains all of the same gimmicks and sounds as the previous version of the mold, and also a redecoed Longarm.

: The Japanese version has some slight paint application differences, mainly additional metallic red paint on his arms (notably his right hand), and the removal of the "EMERGENCY" text on his hood.

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[[Image:BTR ArmadaRedAlert.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Red Alert's left hand is restored by the power of not-[[wikipedia:Lego|Lego]].]]
*'''Red Alert w/ Longarm''' (Built to Rule, 2003)
**''Accessories'': Three missiles

: One of the larger ''[[Built to Rule]]'' sets, Red Alert can be built into an emergency SUV, robot, or whatever your imagination can make out of the blocks provided. The set features a large pressure-launch triple-missile "Gatling" cannon. He also came with a block-version of Longarm.

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===Cybertron===
[[Image:Cybertron Red Alert toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Cut you up, geezer!]]
*'''Red Alert''' (Deluxe Class, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''GC-11'''
**''Accessories'': Clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Earth Cyber Key

: Cybertron Red Alert transforms into a [[wikipedia:Dodge_Magnum|Dodge Magnum]] emergency vehicle. Plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into the back of his car mode causes two rear side-panels to pop out and reveal two spring-forward non-firing blasters. This gimmick is retained in robot mode, where they become over-shoulder blasters. He features an unusual transformation sequence where both the front and rear halves of the vehicle mode come together to form his legs. His hood halves open to reveal storage space for extra tools (a hammer-head and an opening claw) that can be attached onto his left arm blaster. He came with a silver-bordered [[Earth]]-style Cyber Planet Key which, in the Hasbro version, has the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "'''d26w'''" [[tampograph]]ed on the back. Later releases of the mold had slight indents made in the leg pieces to allow them to clip together better.

: The Takara version of this toy lacks the gold paint on the robot-mode shoulders.

: This mold was later used to make [[Cannonball]], the [[Movie (toyline)|live-action movie-verse]] [[Crankcase (Movie)|Crankcase]], and ''[[Timelines (fiction)|Timelines]]'' [[Kup (G1)|Kup]].

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*'''Red Alert''' (Fast-food premium, 2005)

: Available only as part of Burger King's ''Cybertron'' promotion, this version of Red Alert is a very simplified version of the original toy, transforming into a Dodge Magnum emergency vehicle, devoid of any [[Gimmick|gimmickry]]... and that includes ''functional wheels''. That's right, this toy doesn't even ''roll'' in vehicle mode.


[[Image:Cybertron Defence Red Alert.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Just what every injured robot wants to see... a giant shoulder-mounted cannon aiming at them.]]
*'''Cybertron Defense Red Alert'''<ref>Possibly because the Western name for the Vanguard Team (Cybertron Defense Team) was decided very late in the game, early batches of this toy available at retail and from online stores were lacking the "Cybertron Defense" portion of the name on the packaging. However, the more widespread version with the full name was found within mere days of the original version's initial retail sighting.</ref> (Ultra-Class, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''GC-21'''
**''Accessories'': Rocket, small missile, clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Cybertron Autobot Cyber Key

: An upgraded, all-new tooling of Red Alert. He now transforms into a cross between a Russian [[wikipedia:R-400_Oka|R-400 Oka mobile ballistic missile launcher]] and a [[wikipedia:BTR-90|BTR-90 armoured personnel carrier]]. The left side of his vehicle mode has a flip-up non-firing double-blaster, which can also be "used" in robot mode. Inserting a Cyber Key into the rear of the missile pops it in half, activates the electronic sound and lights, and exposes the inner spring-loaded missile launcher "laser cannon". In robot mode, Red Alert finally has two normal robotic hands, but he comes with a shield that, when a Key is inserted, flips out a multi-tool arm that can be equipped with several tools stored in his shins (a spring-loaded hammer-head or a gripping claw), emulating his old tool-arm. This shield can be mounted on either arm. He has two (nonfunctional) Mini-Con hardpoints in vehicle mode, and two ''different'' hardpoints in robot mode. He comes with a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]-Autobot Cyber Planet Key; the Hasbro version has the Key Code "'''up0t'''" tampographed on the back.

: This mold was also used to make the [[BotCon 2006]]-[[exclusive]] [[Megatron (BW)/toys|"Dawn of Future's Past" Megatron]] and [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe (2008)]] [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]].

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*'''Red Alert with Dirt Boss''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': Clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Earth Cyber Key

: This is a Wal*Mart-exclusive version of Deluxe-size Red Alert packaged with a [[Tiny Tins]] version of the ''Armada'' Mini-Con [[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]]. Red Alert himself is identical to his normal release.



*'''The Critical Path''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': Clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Earth Cyber Key

: This two-pack of the Deluxe-size Red Alert and ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] toys was made available only at Target stores, retailing for $16.99. The toys are identical to their individual releases.


[[Image:LOC CD Red Alert.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Say 'ello to my 'ittle friend!"]]
*'''Red Alert''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)

: A much-simplified version of the "Cybertron Defense" incarnation of Red Alert in terms of detail and articulation, this toy was made available in the third wave of the ''[[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]]'' series. The missile is permanently in its split-open state.

: This mold was later used to make ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]].

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==Trivia==
* The ''Armada'' Red Alert toy's "WOO WOO WOO" sound effect has since become a famous in-joke within the Transformers [[fandom]]. For a short time, it also became something of an impromptu chant among fans at Transformers conventions. Reportedly, at the start of the [[OTFCC 2003]] [[Hasbro]] Panel, several fans started chanting "WOO WOO WOO WOO!" to the initial confusion of Hasbro designer [[Aaron Archer]], until he realized what was occurring.

* One concept drawing in the ''[[Micron Legend Year Book 2003|Micron Legend Yearbook 2003]]'' depicts Red Alert as having a large siren perched atop his cranium.

* According to the [[Transformers (Melbourne House)|''Armada'' Playstation 2 game]] instruction booklet, Red Alert's ''Armada'' body has the following statistics:

:*Mass: 3,838 lbs
:*Robot height: 19' 8"
:*Robot top speed: 37 mph
:*Vehicle height: 7' 3"
:*Vehicle top speed: 155 mph
:*Vehicle power: 450 hp @ 6600 rpm

* According to Aaron Archer, Red Alert's head sculpt seems to be based on RoboCop, hence his personality and trait.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/RedAlert/redalert.htm Red Alert at TFU.info]

==Footnotes==
<references />

[[Category:Armada characters]]
[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Built to Rule]]
[[Category:Cybertron characters]]
[[Category:Energon characters]]
[[Category:Fast food exclusives]]
[[Category:Medics]]
[[Category:Scientists]]
[[Category:Toys with sound]]

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-07-04T00:45:27Z

66.131.29.196: /* French title */

Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? {{unsigned|Godziboy1993}}
:They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. [[User:Godziboy1993|Godziboy1993]] 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.
:Because it is '''illegally acquired information'''. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases ''official photographs'' of the toys. To find out more, refer to [[Help:Official info]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Paramount pictures cast list. ==

[http://l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/83/a2/9019_3705651155.jpg?y=660&x=616&q=75&n=0&sig=Zvqw8NxIBWHyJFhaLEhOeQ-- This poster] looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. {{unsigned|GUIGUI|17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT}}
::I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?{{unsigned|Godziboy1993|19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT}}
:Who knows? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Japanese world premiere. ==

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are <nowiki>[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]</nowiki>? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:You'd better be joking. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transmitter at official site==

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==How about an actual article?==
This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

:In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.
:That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've ''seen them in the trailer''. '''ETA:''' If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

::At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the ''content of the fiction itself'' and ''the characters'' starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

==UK Release 19th June = World Premiere==
As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan ==

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Score==
Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at [http://www.amazon.de/Transformers-Revenge-Fallen-Score/dp/B002DDIXLA/ref=sr_shvl_album_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245109298&sr=301-2 Amazon Germany's listing]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no" ==

Source: [http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Press conference from German premiere]

Translation:

:''Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.''

:''But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.''

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

:What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.{{unsigned|173.11.36.165|10:02, 24 June 2009}}
::You are [[wikipedia:Bundeswehr|mistaken]], sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Errors and Inconsistencies==
I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Basic outline here: [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline]]. Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unnamed Decepticons ==

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was ''incredibly'' lax on providing names for characters.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Mysterious voice credits ==
Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -[[User:LV|LV]] 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --
:::Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be ''that'' odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)[[User:Eire]] 15.57 25th June 09

:Reedman ''has'' to be the raptor-like thing formed by the [[Marble bot|Marble bots]]. He's a reed-thin man.
:Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''Skip''jack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... ''*runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*''
::::No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.
::::Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::As it transpires, yes. [http://www.aciphex.com/ This interview] (search for "Skipjack") makes it pretty clear that Skipjack was the working name for the red bulldozer identified onscreen as Rampage. So it's a Demolishor/Wheelbot situation, apparently. Disappointing resolution, especially since it still leaves us with two bulldozers named Rampage. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I.... theeeenk you may have got your link wrong, there? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[https://www.editorsguild.com/FromtheGuild.cfm?FromTheGuildid=84 He probably meant this one.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::THe sad thing is that I can't even come up with a funny rationale for the link to AcipHex here. (I was originally linking it elsewhere because the TV won't stop telling me to try Ass Effects - guess it stayed in my clipboard.) FAiled. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance''
:::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/41048.html Some douchebag] posted bootleg screencaps of the Laurentian Abyss sequence on his blog.
:::While not appropriate for inclusion here as a ''primary source'', useful for IDing nonetheless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I should probably post what I did on LJ here. Re: the last photo - those claws don't look anything alike. That's no game-only generic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And ''I'' should probably post what I did on LJ here. The game-model and movie-model for Constructicon Scout are different (thus the clamps not matching) but Constructicon Scout is ''definitely'' in the movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Cs_scrapper.jpg|thumb]]
:::As Walky so bluntly put it-- "It's scrapper."
:::Or rather- the Constructicon Scout is based on Scrapper. An extra layer of confusion is added because the Scrapper toy lacks the giant arms that the CS has-- ''and'' [http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzji3l.gif the character in the movie has]. But since there's only one Scraper toy that Transformes, apparently we're treating his truncated arms as a concession to toy engineering.
:::So would it be ''more accurate'' to say that Scrapper ''is'' a Constructicon Scout? Or is physically identical to them? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:06, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
I don't know if this helps, but in the somewhat inaccurate comic version of the movie, Ravage, Long Haul, and Scrapper are clearly seen jumping off the boat, so it may mean Scrapper is "the little one?[[Special:Contributions/71.199.127.210|71.199.127.210]] 13:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==It's UpGrade Time==
So, can we start working on this now or what? [[User:Eire]] 12.44 June 24 09
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Foreign titles ==

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: They shouldn't be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:: The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::: That's different enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::: Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.[[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trivia cull ==

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it ''should'' be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Not-Bonecrusher ==

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually [[Constructicon Scout]]. Is that a safe guess to go with? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
: I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:: I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.[[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::It was definitely a use of the CGI Bonecrusher model in robot mode. [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*swears*</nowiki> I was hoping it was the Constructicon Scout, but he has a different robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You can definitely see Bonecrusher's vehicle mode rolling in with the other Decepticons. I don't recall seeing his robot mode, but then again, he looks quite similar in robot mode to a bunch of Constructicons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:42, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
So I saw it again in IMAX. That's definitely Bonecrusher rolling in.
# His remains weren't among those being disposed of after the first movie.
# We've got a toy bio stating he survived.
# He's ''in'' the ^&*( second film.
Baring Hasbro releasing a redeco and declaring this a new character, it looks like Bonecrusher really ''did'' survive. And until that happens, I'm going with the face-value reading and removing the "a Bonecrusher lookalike" note in the cast list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Good points! I agree. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:05, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. I think "a toy bio stating he survived" is completely irrelevant, as we got one of those for Jazz, too. That was definitely Bonecrusher's vehicle mode in ROTF, but I sure as hell don't think it was actually Bonecrusher, any more than I think that the helicopter was Blackout. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That is your personal canon. The fiction says otherwise. The toy bio is completely irrelevant iff it contradicts the movies. This time the movies back it up. It is willful blindness to say Bonecrusher isn't in the movie when he is right there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's willful blindness to assume similar alt means same guy, in a movie where a guy with Blackout's body-type is quite prominent. G1 colourd Jazz's bio says he survives. Brawl's got a ROTF repaint. He was decapitated and had his whole head smashed in. He's dead Jim. Writing a whole section of fiction you made up on Bonecrusher's page is madness. Give the toy bio it's own section and a note that we see his vehicle mode among the protoforms and leave it at that. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 15.28 30 June 09 (UTC)

== Character profiles ==

I'm starting to see descriptions of the character's movie role around the wiki. Is this okay yet? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:32, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:So long as you use the proper spoiler tags.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::What about the articles that have the "do not add information" tags? Can we start to take those down? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The coming soon tags? Yeah, those were just waiting for the film release.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Our policy on new releases is that if the media has been officially released in a language you can understand, you are well within your rights to be write up a summary, as long as you put up a spoiler tag. Like Wikipedia, we urge people to be bold, but be smart. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:55, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== More Quotes ==

What other quotes do you want to use (i.e: "I RISE, YOU FALL." from Optimus Prime)?
: I really don't think the umpteenth regurgitation of the TFTM-quote-that-will-not-die is worth singling out for praise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Five/Six Contacts Error==
Wouldn't this NOT be an error, since Ravge ejected Scalpel from his chest, thereby replacing Hightower? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|07:44, 28 June 2009}}
:You mean Scrapper, who was the one killed. And yeah, that's what I thought while watching the film, though I wondered if Scalpel was actually large enough to register? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::HAY GUYS - Hightower and Scrapper WEREN'T EVEN THERE. Four Constructicons jumped in - Red Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Small Excavator Guy. Unnamed dude was killed. Megatron, Scalpel and Ravage make six contacts surfacing.
::: Ahem, from Scalpel's page "...Using parts "donated" by Hightower..."
::: Anywho, the point is, wouldn't Scalpel's presence nullify the error? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|08:41, 28 June 2009}}
::::It is neither Scrapper nor Hightower. I have since edited articles and have removed the error. The unnamed is a small Volvo excavator similar to Demolishor's vehicle mode as he was incorrectly depicted in the ROTF adaptation comic. It did not look like Hightower's truss crane. Also, sign off on your comments, it is difficult to know who is saying what. See the signature button next to the crossed out W? Click that. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:24, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Adding extra confusion: The possibility that the extra reading was Blackout.
:::::On my second viewing, it really looks like The Doctor ''strikes'' the shard in Megatron's chest rather than permanantly inserting it. Maybe they ''did'' revive Blackout. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:18, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Grindor's from space. Megatron left the Constructicons, Ravage, and the Doctor far behind on Earth, and he traveled allll the way up to Saturn to visit the Nemesis. And what's he find in the Nemesis? Starscream and hatchlings. And next we see Megatron on Earth, he's with Starscream. And another guy. That guy was a hatchling. That guy was Grindor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::He's also with The Doctor, who should be with Ravage and the Constructicons.
:::::::I don't actually think the Helicopter ''is'' Blackout-- I mean he has a '''different altmode''' fergods sake. If Bay intended it to be Blackout he'd have used the same helicopter, regardless whether it'd been retired or not. And anyway- HASBRO clearly thinks that's Grindor.
:::::::I'm just trying to figure out what might've been goign through the movie production's head with that funny number. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I imagine they filmed the blips on the radar approximately nine months before animating/rendering/writing the scene of the guys underwater. WHOOPS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Given that they went to the trouble of getting Welker for Soundwave and the forgot to put a vocoder over him, I could believe it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:46, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Though considering Welker apparently didn't like what the G1 cartoon did to his Soundwave voice, it's possible he asked Bay to not process it, and Bay was cool with that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:23, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Can I ask why it is stated as fact that Scalpel is too small to be detected by the submarine in the trivia section? Isn't that just speculation?[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 15:32, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

== Graham ==

Whatever happened to that Agent Graham guy. Was he even in it? He is still in the credits on the official ROTF website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Wasn't he that one British guy with NEST? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:49, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, he wore a brown beret. [[Special:Contributions/79.68.235.108|79.68.235.108]] 16:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::He's the Tom Cruise lookalike with about three lines.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:25, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And he wasn't an "agent", he was supposedly a member of the SASF, a fictionalized version of the Special Air Service. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Frenzy's head ==
This error keeps on getting added/deleted endlessly, some official consensus would be good. His head didn't blow up, it was sliced it half, so it's not terribly unreasonable that the two pieces were glued or welded back together. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:06, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

I happen to have a downloaded version of Revenge of The Fallen (I DID go to the movie, and I AM going to buy the dvd, so stop whining!), would you like me to make some screencaps and upload them?
(Particularly Reedman and Arcee miss clear images){{unsigned|ThiAthEhn|13:58, 1 July 2009}}
:The enthusiasm and offer of help are appreciated, but unfortunately screencaps from a pirated download would get us in deep doo-doo. Thanks for asking before uploading, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::To elaborate, we have a policy against using images or information from unofficial, leaked or stolen sources, which obviously includes screencaps from a blurry camjob of Revenge of the Fallen. The DVD will be out in 3-4 months anyway. We can wait. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::We could use screens taken from the trailers and released clips and such though right? Or realsed screencaps? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
::::Absolutely. As long as it's a thing that was officially approved and released, go nuts. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center location ==

Regarding the grafting of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center] to the Boneyard: it should be noted that the UHC is in ''Chantilly, VA'', rather outside of Washington, DC proper. There is actually more space next to the hangar, where Jetfire would have exited if they didn't have the compositing transition to the Boneyard. However, while the area's grassy and flat, it's surrounded by small chunks of forest (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dulles_Tower_360.JPG], it looks right out over the hangar entrance he would have exited from), and is further connected to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Dulles_International_Airport Dulles Airport] in the distance. :) I can only assume they went with the visual assumption that "hey, it's a museum, they'd have lots of mothballed planes around, and what's there right now is boring", but that's purely speculation on my part. Either way you slice it, it's still an "error"...

I just find this amusing, given that the UHC is one of the IMAX theaters where ROTF is being ''shown''... :) [[Special:Contributions/96.231.155.47|96.231.155.47]] 22:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:And there's a HUGE IMAX logo ''in'' the movie...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==Caption theme==
Since the first film used a TF:TM theme, why not use the abandoned Star Wars theme here. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
:Specifically, ''Empire''. Kurtzman and Orci even said they were trying to match it in terms of upping the menace and having the Fallen be like the Emperor. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Suggestion - lock this article so only registered users can edit. ==

I am sure we are all sick and tired of anonymous people coming in and making stupid, incorrect, poorly spelled edits to our a article. Let's just lock this down so that we only need to watch out for newbie editors. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:09, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:02, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:The motion's seconded. Aye. Does motion carry?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:37, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== French title ==
Could you add back the fact that the French title has no ''2'' in it (at least, not in the Quebec version. You tell 'em, Detour), because some IP (80.236.81.91) undid my edit. Probably thought that because all other foreign titles had a 2, French was no different. Anyway I would do it myself if it wasn't for the semi-protection (which I am totally for). I know it's kind of silly to ask other people to do modifications for me, but please. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 21:08, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:[http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_16816.html Êtes-vous certains?] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:14, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::We indeed do not have a 2 in our Transformers title in Quebec. Maybe it's just France? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:35, 2 July 2009 (EDT)`
::Non-teaser trailer supports this: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9uUVkYB6Aw&fmt=18] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:39, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Les Français sont toujours causé des problèmes. Peut-être qu'ils pensent qu'il est numérotée en métrique? Si le film a utilisé un chiffre romain ils se seraient probablement merde leur pantalon et ensuite les manger. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Please stop butchering my language. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Seconded. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:52, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ce n'est pas de ma faute! Il est le poisson vivant dans mon oreille! En tout cas, de véritables langues sont basés sur ECMAScript. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"English, dude. English." --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:33, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Thanks. Oh, and Derik, please stop. It kinda hurts me as a Frenchie-Canuck to see that. Plus, you're probably using internet translation, which as you can see is quite pitiful. Nice one LoneGamer, BTW. I couldn't have said it better. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 20:45, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-07-03T01:08:31Z

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Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? {{unsigned|Godziboy1993}}
:They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. [[User:Godziboy1993|Godziboy1993]] 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.
:Because it is '''illegally acquired information'''. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases ''official photographs'' of the toys. To find out more, refer to [[Help:Official info]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Paramount pictures cast list. ==

[http://l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/83/a2/9019_3705651155.jpg?y=660&x=616&q=75&n=0&sig=Zvqw8NxIBWHyJFhaLEhOeQ-- This poster] looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. {{unsigned|GUIGUI|17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT}}
::I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?{{unsigned|Godziboy1993|19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT}}
:Who knows? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Japanese world premiere. ==

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are <nowiki>[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]</nowiki>? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:You'd better be joking. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transmitter at official site==

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==How about an actual article?==
This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

:In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.
:That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've ''seen them in the trailer''. '''ETA:''' If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

::At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the ''content of the fiction itself'' and ''the characters'' starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

==UK Release 19th June = World Premiere==
As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan ==

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Score==
Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at [http://www.amazon.de/Transformers-Revenge-Fallen-Score/dp/B002DDIXLA/ref=sr_shvl_album_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245109298&sr=301-2 Amazon Germany's listing]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no" ==

Source: [http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Press conference from German premiere]

Translation:

:''Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.''

:''But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.''

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

:What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.{{unsigned|173.11.36.165|10:02, 24 June 2009}}
::You are [[wikipedia:Bundeswehr|mistaken]], sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Errors and Inconsistencies==
I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Basic outline here: [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline]]. Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unnamed Decepticons ==

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was ''incredibly'' lax on providing names for characters.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Mysterious voice credits ==
Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -[[User:LV|LV]] 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --
:::Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be ''that'' odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)[[User:Eire]] 15.57 25th June 09

:Reedman ''has'' to be the raptor-like thing formed by the [[Marble bot|Marble bots]]. He's a reed-thin man.
:Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''Skip''jack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... ''*runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*''
::::No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.
::::Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::As it transpires, yes. [http://www.aciphex.com/ This interview] (search for "Skipjack") makes it pretty clear that Skipjack was the working name for the red bulldozer identified onscreen as Rampage. So it's a Demolishor/Wheelbot situation, apparently. Disappointing resolution, especially since it still leaves us with two bulldozers named Rampage. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I.... theeeenk you may have got your link wrong, there? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[https://www.editorsguild.com/FromtheGuild.cfm?FromTheGuildid=84 He probably meant this one.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::THe sad thing is that I can't even come up with a funny rationale for the link to AcipHex here. (I was originally linking it elsewhere because the TV won't stop telling me to try Ass Effects - guess it stayed in my clipboard.) FAiled. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance''
:::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/41048.html Some douchebag] posted bootleg screencaps of the Laurentian Abyss sequence on his blog.
:::While not appropriate for inclusion here as a ''primary source'', useful for IDing nonetheless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I should probably post what I did on LJ here. Re: the last photo - those claws don't look anything alike. That's no game-only generic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And ''I'' should probably post what I did on LJ here. The game-model and movie-model for Constructicon Scout are different (thus the clamps not matching) but Constructicon Scout is ''definitely'' in the movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Cs_scrapper.jpg|thumb]]
:::As Walky so bluntly put it-- "It's scrapper."
:::Or rather- the Constructicon Scout is based on Scrapper. An extra layer of confusion is added because the Scrapper toy lacks the giant arms that the CS has-- ''and'' [http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzji3l.gif the character in the movie has]. But since there's only one Scraper toy that Transformes, apparently we're treating his truncated arms as a concession to toy engineering.
:::So would it be ''more accurate'' to say that Scrapper ''is'' a Constructicon Scout? Or is physically identical to them? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:06, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
I don't know if this helps, but in the somewhat inaccurate comic version of the movie, Ravage, Long Haul, and Scrapper are clearly seen jumping off the boat, so it may mean Scrapper is "the little one?[[Special:Contributions/71.199.127.210|71.199.127.210]] 13:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==It's UpGrade Time==
So, can we start working on this now or what? [[User:Eire]] 12.44 June 24 09
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Foreign titles ==

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: They shouldn't be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:: The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::: That's different enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::: Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.[[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trivia cull ==

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it ''should'' be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Not-Bonecrusher ==

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually [[Constructicon Scout]]. Is that a safe guess to go with? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
: I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:: I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.[[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::It was definitely a use of the CGI Bonecrusher model in robot mode. [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*swears*</nowiki> I was hoping it was the Constructicon Scout, but he has a different robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You can definitely see Bonecrusher's vehicle mode rolling in with the other Decepticons. I don't recall seeing his robot mode, but then again, he looks quite similar in robot mode to a bunch of Constructicons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:42, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
So I saw it again in IMAX. That's definitely Bonecrusher rolling in.
# His remains weren't among those being disposed of after the first movie.
# We've got a toy bio stating he survived.
# He's ''in'' the ^&*( second film.
Baring Hasbro releasing a redeco and declaring this a new character, it looks like Bonecrusher really ''did'' survive. And until that happens, I'm going with the face-value reading and removing the "a Bonecrusher lookalike" note in the cast list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Good points! I agree. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:05, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. I think "a toy bio stating he survived" is completely irrelevant, as we got one of those for Jazz, too. That was definitely Bonecrusher's vehicle mode in ROTF, but I sure as hell don't think it was actually Bonecrusher, any more than I think that the helicopter was Blackout. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That is your personal canon. The fiction says otherwise. The toy bio is completely irrelevant iff it contradicts the movies. This time the movies back it up. It is willful blindness to say Bonecrusher isn't in the movie when he is right there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's willful blindness to assume similar alt means same guy, in a movie where a guy with Blackout's body-type is quite prominent. G1 colourd Jazz's bio says he survives. Brawl's got a ROTF repaint. He was decapitated and had his whole head smashed in. He's dead Jim. Writing a whole section of fiction you made up on Bonecrusher's page is madness. Give the toy bio it's own section and a note that we see his vehicle mode among the protoforms and leave it at that. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 15.28 30 June 09 (UTC)

== Character profiles ==

I'm starting to see descriptions of the character's movie role around the wiki. Is this okay yet? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:32, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:So long as you use the proper spoiler tags.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::What about the articles that have the "do not add information" tags? Can we start to take those down? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The coming soon tags? Yeah, those were just waiting for the film release.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Our policy on new releases is that if the media has been officially released in a language you can understand, you are well within your rights to be write up a summary, as long as you put up a spoiler tag. Like Wikipedia, we urge people to be bold, but be smart. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:55, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== More Quotes ==

What other quotes do you want to use (i.e: "I RISE, YOU FALL." from Optimus Prime)?
: I really don't think the umpteenth regurgitation of the TFTM-quote-that-will-not-die is worth singling out for praise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Five/Six Contacts Error==
Wouldn't this NOT be an error, since Ravge ejected Scalpel from his chest, thereby replacing Hightower? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|07:44, 28 June 2009}}
:You mean Scrapper, who was the one killed. And yeah, that's what I thought while watching the film, though I wondered if Scalpel was actually large enough to register? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::HAY GUYS - Hightower and Scrapper WEREN'T EVEN THERE. Four Constructicons jumped in - Red Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Small Excavator Guy. Unnamed dude was killed. Megatron, Scalpel and Ravage make six contacts surfacing.
::: Ahem, from Scalpel's page "...Using parts "donated" by Hightower..."
::: Anywho, the point is, wouldn't Scalpel's presence nullify the error? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|08:41, 28 June 2009}}
::::It is neither Scrapper nor Hightower. I have since edited articles and have removed the error. The unnamed is a small Volvo excavator similar to Demolishor's vehicle mode as he was incorrectly depicted in the ROTF adaptation comic. It did not look like Hightower's truss crane. Also, sign off on your comments, it is difficult to know who is saying what. See the signature button next to the crossed out W? Click that. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:24, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Adding extra confusion: The possibility that the extra reading was Blackout.
:::::On my second viewing, it really looks like The Doctor ''strikes'' the shard in Megatron's chest rather than permanantly inserting it. Maybe they ''did'' revive Blackout. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:18, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Grindor's from space. Megatron left the Constructicons, Ravage, and the Doctor far behind on Earth, and he traveled allll the way up to Saturn to visit the Nemesis. And what's he find in the Nemesis? Starscream and hatchlings. And next we see Megatron on Earth, he's with Starscream. And another guy. That guy was a hatchling. That guy was Grindor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::He's also with The Doctor, who should be with Ravage and the Constructicons.
:::::::I don't actually think the Helicopter ''is'' Blackout-- I mean he has a '''different altmode''' fergods sake. If Bay intended it to be Blackout he'd have used the same helicopter, regardless whether it'd been retired or not. And anyway- HASBRO clearly thinks that's Grindor.
:::::::I'm just trying to figure out what might've been goign through the movie production's head with that funny number. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I imagine they filmed the blips on the radar approximately nine months before animating/rendering/writing the scene of the guys underwater. WHOOPS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Given that they went to the trouble of getting Welker for Soundwave and the forgot to put a vocoder over him, I could believe it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:46, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Though considering Welker apparently didn't like what the G1 cartoon did to his Soundwave voice, it's possible he asked Bay to not process it, and Bay was cool with that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:23, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Graham ==

Whatever happened to that Agent Graham guy. Was he even in it? He is still in the credits on the official ROTF website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Wasn't he that one British guy with NEST? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:49, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, he wore a brown beret. [[Special:Contributions/79.68.235.108|79.68.235.108]] 16:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::He's the Tom Cruise lookalike with about three lines.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:25, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And he wasn't an "agent", he was supposedly a member of the SASF, a fictionalized version of the Special Air Service. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Frenzy's head ==
This error keeps on getting added/deleted endlessly, some official consensus would be good. His head didn't blow up, it was sliced it half, so it's not terribly unreasonable that the two pieces were glued or welded back together. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:06, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

I happen to have a downloaded version of Revenge of The Fallen (I DID go to the movie, and I AM going to buy the dvd, so stop whining!), would you like me to make some screencaps and upload them?
(Particularly Reedman and Arcee miss clear images){{unsigned|ThiAthEhn|13:58, 1 July 2009}}
:The enthusiasm and offer of help are appreciated, but unfortunately screencaps from a pirated download would get us in deep doo-doo. Thanks for asking before uploading, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::To elaborate, we have a policy against using images or information from unofficial, leaked or stolen sources, which obviously includes screencaps from a blurry camjob of Revenge of the Fallen. The DVD will be out in 3-4 months anyway. We can wait. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::We could use screens taken from the trailers and released clips and such though right? Or realsed screencaps? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
::::Absolutely. As long as it's a thing that was officially approved and released, go nuts. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center location ==

Regarding the grafting of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center] to the Boneyard: it should be noted that the UHC is in ''Chantilly, VA'', rather outside of Washington, DC proper. There is actually more space next to the hangar, where Jetfire would have exited if they didn't have the compositing transition to the Boneyard. However, while the area's grassy and flat, it's surrounded by small chunks of forest (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dulles_Tower_360.JPG], it looks right out over the hangar entrance he would have exited from), and is further connected to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Dulles_International_Airport Dulles Airport] in the distance. :) I can only assume they went with the visual assumption that "hey, it's a museum, they'd have lots of mothballed planes around, and what's there right now is boring", but that's purely speculation on my part. Either way you slice it, it's still an "error"...

I just find this amusing, given that the UHC is one of the IMAX theaters where ROTF is being ''shown''... :) [[Special:Contributions/96.231.155.47|96.231.155.47]] 22:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:And there's a HUGE IMAX logo ''in'' the movie...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==Caption theme==
Since the first film used a TF:TM theme, why not use the abandoned Star Wars theme here. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
:Specifically, ''Empire''. Kurtzman and Orci even said they were trying to match it in terms of upping the menace and having the Fallen be like the Emperor. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Suggestion - lock this article so only registered users can edit. ==

I am sure we are all sick and tired of anonymous people coming in and making stupid, incorrect, poorly spelled edits to our a article. Let's just lock this down so that we only need to watch out for newbie editors. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:09, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:02, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:The motion's seconded. Aye. Does motion carry?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:37, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== French title ==

Could you add back the fact that the French title has no ''2'' in it (at least, not in the Quebec version. You tell 'em, Detour), because some IP (80.236.81.91) undid my edit. Probably thought that because all other foreign titles had a 2, French was no different. Anyway I would do it myself if it wasn't for the semi-protection (which I am totally for). I know it's kind of silly to ask other people to do modifications for me, but please. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 21:08, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-06-29T22:17:46Z

66.131.29.196: there is no ''2'' in the french title

{{nav-rotf}}
'''''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''''' is the first of two planned sequels to ''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]''. It was released in North America on [[June 24]], 2009.

{{quote|Revenge is mine!|The Fallen, ''[[Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

:''Japanese title:'' '''''Transformers: Revenge'''''
:''French title:'' '''''Transformers: La Revanche''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''German title:'' '''''Transformers: Die Rache''''' (''Transformers: The Revenge'')
:''Polish title:'' '''''Transformers: Zemsta Upadłych''''' (''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'', except the word "Fallen" is a plural.)
:''Italian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: La Vendetta Del Caduto''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')
:''Serbian title:'' '''''Transformers 2: Najveće govno ikada''''' (''Transformers 2: The Revenge Of The Fallen'')

==Main cast==
{{spoiler|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|July 24, 2009}}

{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] ([[Jess Harnell]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])
*[[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] ([[Mark Ryan]])
*[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] ([[Grey DeLisle]])
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] ([[André Sogliuzzo]])
*[[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ([[Hugo Weaving]])
*[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] ([[Charlie Adler]])
*[[The Fallen]] ([[Tony Todd]])
*[[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
*[[Alice]] ([[Isabel Lucas]])
*[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
*[[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] ([[Tom Kenny]])
*[[Scalpel]] ([[John Di Crosta]])
*[[Reedman]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*[[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
*[[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*A [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] lookalike
*[[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]]s
**[[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] ([[Frank Welker]])
**[[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] ([[Calvin Wimmer]])
**[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]] ([[Kevin Michael Richardson]])
**[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
**[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
**[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
**[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]]
**[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
**[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]
|c3=
*[[Sam Witwicky]] ([[Shia LaBeouf]])
*[[Mikaela Banes]] ([[Megan Fox]])
*[[William Lennox]] ([[Josh Duhamel]])
*[[Robert Epps]] ([[Tyrese Gibson]])
*[[Leo Spitz]] ([[Ramon Rodriguez]])
*[[Seymour Simmons]] ([[John Turturro]])
*[[Theodore Galloway]] ([[John Benjamin Hickey]])
*[[Judy Witwicky]] ([[Julie White]])
*[[Ron Witwicky]] ([[Kevin Dunn]])
*[[General Morshower]] ([[Glenn Morshower]])
*[[Professor Colan]] ([[Rainn Wilson]])
*[[Tova Simmons]] ([[Annie Korzen]])
*[[Fassbinder]] ([[Jonathon Trent]])
*[[Sharsky]] ([[Walker Howard]])
}}

==Technical details==
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==Short synopsis==
[[Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|right|250px|thumb|For dry, red eyes, the difference is clear: Clear Eyes.]]

The Autobots have found a home in "NEST", a secret military unit created to seek out and eliminate the remaining Decepticons. All is not well, however. Unbeknownst to them, Soundwave is in orbit, coordinating the Decepticon counterstrike. After Ravage steals the Allspark shard from NEST, a team of Constructicons and The Doctor journey to the bottom of the ocean and use it revive Megatron. The Decepticon leader journeys to the crashed Nemesis, rebukes Starscream, and meets with his master, The Fallen.

The Fallen explains that he had constructed a Solar Harvester on Earth, in violation of the Primes' code to never harm an inhabited planet. The Primes turned on him, banished and imprisoned him. However the Harvester still stands, and only one Prime remains. If Megatron destroys Optimus Prime, The Fallen will be freed to activate the Harvester, which will kill off the humans and provide the Decepticons with enough energon to raise an army. Megatron eagerly agrees, and returns to Earth with a vengeance.

It transpires that the location of the Harvester is hidden within Sam Witwicky, who absorbed the knowledge from another Allspark fragment. The Decepticons begin an all-out war across the Earth as they hunt down the human, and the Autobots and NEST are blamed for the ensuing carnage. Witwicky goes to ground, and must turn to unlikely allies in the race to find a solution. Ultimately, the last of the Primes defeats The Fallen, destroys the Harvester, and proves the Transformers' greatest power is found in their unexpectedly-ancient alliance with the humans.

==Full synopsis==
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==Quotes==


"Ding-a-ling, come out an' get yo' ice cream. Any bad robot out there better get ready for an ass-whoopin'."
:— '''Skids''' and '''Mudflap''' speaking their first line in the movie as the ice cream truck.

"Sam, fate rarely calls upon us at a moment of our choosing."
:— '''Optimus Prime'''

"Need parts. Kill ze little one!"
:— '''Scalpel''' instructs the Constructicons to kill one of their own, which they so happily oblige.

"Starscream, I'm home!"
:— '''Megatron'''. And the fangirls go wild!

"I know you’re pissed-I know you’re pissed, I tried to kill you, right? It’s totally understandable. I mean, if you tried to kill me, I’d be pissed, too."
:— '''Sam Witwicky''' tries to relate with '''Megatron'''.

"Is the fate of our race not worth one human life?" 
"You'd never stop at just ''one''. '''I'll take you all on!'''"
:— '''Megatron''' tries to justify killing Sam, but '''Optimus Prime''' disapproves based on the potato chip theory. Beatdown ensues.

"What planet am I on?" 
"Earth." 
"''Earth''? Terrible name for a planet. Might as well call it ''Dirt''. Planet Dirt."
:— '''Jetfire''' asks '''Simmons''' where he is, only to have negative thoughts.

"You know what my father was? [[Scrounge|A wheel]]! The first wheel! And you know what he transformed into? NOTHING! But he did so with honor! Dignity!"
:— '''Jetfire''' tells a story.

"Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it."
:— '''Simmons''' demands more coherent exposition from Jetfire.

"Lemme show ya how we brought the pain in ''my'' day!!"
:—'''Jetfire''' enters the fray to show us young whippersnappers how it's ''really'' done.

"One man, alone, abandoned by the country he loves."
:— '''Agent Simmons''' being, well, Agent Simmons as he bravely charges off to lure the Decepticons away.

"GIVE ME YOUR FACE."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' warns The Fallen of his violent fetish.

"Not to call you a coward, master, but, sometimes, cowards do survive."
:— '''Starscream''' pitches his usual battle plan to an unusually receptive Megatron.

----

==Production staff==
* Writers [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] recruited [[Ehren Kruger]] to help them write the screenplay. [[Michael Bay]] and producers [[Don Murphy]], [[Tom DeSanto]], and [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] also returned.<ref>[http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=6372 Transformers 2 Writers Confirmed]</ref>
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===Visual effects===
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===Locations department===
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==Prequel material==
===Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics===
While the Decepticons were disgusted with the pro-Autobot propaganda of Bay's first documentary {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|#13's Star Screams}}, they're quite optimistic about the second film. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] has taken a strong interest in it, going to the trouble of personally convincing [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to be in the film {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|15's Star Screams}}.

The Decepticons promise this new documentary will show a glorious Decepticon victory {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|#10's Star Screams}} - whether it's in the script or not. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|#18's Star Screams}}

Shockingly, even ''they'' are under a non-disclosure agreement regarding the script; Starscream fearfully refers to a greater power keeping him quiet. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|#22's Star Screams}} Talking about it could even undermine the Decepticon war effort! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|#23's Star Screams}}

In the same week the film came out, the Decepticons suddenly became unhappy with it and the detente period ended. Bay, Kurtzman, and Orci are once again marked for extermination for their propaganda films. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.1|#1's Law and Disorder}}

===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
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==Adaptations==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation]]
{{main|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)}}
'''Children's adaptations'''
{{main|Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel}}
{{main|The Last Prime}}
{{main|Operation Autobot}}
{{main|When Robots Attack!}}
{{main|I Am Optimus Prime (ROTF)}}
{{main|Rise of the Decepticons}}

==Sequels==
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==Soundtrack==
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Soundtrack]]

==Score==
{{cleanup|June 25, 2009}}
:''Main article:'' [[Revenge of the Fallen: The Score]]
* [[Linkin Park]] and Hans Zimmer worked with Steve Jablonsky on the score of the movie. Linkin Park also wrote a song, called "New Divide". It was one of the theme songs for the movie, and they did several interpretations on that theme. <ref>[http://www.mikeshinoba.com/blog/special_events-recommended_music-in_the_studio-featured-linkin_park_/transformers_2_new_linkin_park_song_and_score]</ref>

==DVD release==

==Theatrical posters==
<gallery perrow="3">
Image:ROTFteaserposter.jpg|Teaser poster
Image:ROTF Theatrical poster.jpg|Theatrical poster
Image:ROTF International poster.jpg|International poster
Image:ROTF Prime poster.jpg|Prime poster
Image:ROTF bumblebee poster.jpg|Bumblebee poster
Image:ROTF Starscream poster.jpg|Wait...Starscream gets a poster but Megatron doesn't? That's just wrong.
</gallery>

==Reception==
{{quote|Transformers: ROTF has mostly gotten pretty hideous reviews, but that's because people don't understand that this isn't a movie, in the conventional sense.|[http://io9.com/5301898/michael-bay-finally-made-an-art-movie Michael Bay Finally Made An Art Movie], Charlie Jane Anders|[http://i09.com i09.com,] [[June 24]], [[2009]]}}
{{quote|[The critics] never seem to understand that I make movies for people to take a ride and escape.|[http://tinyurl.com/nyscnv forum post] by Michael Bay|[http://shootfortheedit.com shootfortheedit.com,] [[June 25]], [[2009]]}}

In the week leading up to the United States release, while the film had been released in Japan and the United Kingdom, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was ranking 38% fresh on [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen/ Rotten Tomatoes.com]. As American reviews were added into the ranking on June 24, the movie's freshness slipped slowly to 22%. RottenTomatoes.com's consensus was that "''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' is a noisy, underplotted, and overlong special effects extravaganza that lacks a human touch." Roger Ebert, who gave the movie one star, remarked that "if you want to save yourself the ticket price, go into the kitchen, cue up a male choir singing the music of hell, and get a kid to start banging pots and pans together." <ref>[http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090623/REVIEWS/906239997 Roger Ebert's ''Revenge of the Fallen'' review] on RogerEbert.com</ref> Todd Gilchrist of Cinematical.com said Michael Bay "has exceeded even the possibilities of sequel-driven 'moreness,' combining his own muscular, high-gloss sensibility with the conventions of blockbusters past, present, and probably future to create a monolithic action masterpiece that feels destined to be the biggest movie of all time." <ref>[http://www.cinematical.com/2009/06/22/review-transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen/ Review: Transformers Revenge of the Fallen] on Cinematical.com</ref> Michael Phillips from the Chicago Tribune said "the first, comparatively lucid ''Transformers'' was a headache, but I sort of enjoyed it....''Revenge of the Fallen'' is more like listening to rocks in a clothes dryer for 2½ hours." <ref>[http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-tc-mov-transformers-0623-0624jun23,0,7350387.story 'Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen' stars Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel] on chicagotribune.com </ref> Roger Ebert went back for more in a second article, declaring not only that ''Revenge of the Fallen'' was awful, but that it'd [[Ruined FOREVER|ruined action films FOREVER]]. <ref>[http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/06/the_fall_of_the_revengers.html "The Fall of the Revengers"] on suntimes.com</ref>

Despite the overwhelmingly negative reviews, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' poised itself quickly as a blockbuster maelstrom. It grossed $16 million in its opening midnight showings alone, an all-time record for Wednesday openings and a second-best for openings on any day of the week behind ''The Dark Knight''. After the full Wednesday was over, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had grossed $55 million in domestic ticket sales, surpassing the previous Wednesday release record, held by ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', by over $10 million. <ref> [http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1614673/story.jhtml 'Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen' Breaks Wednesday Box-Office Record] on MTV.com</ref> By the end of the first five days, ''Revenge of the Fallen'' had taken an estimated $201.2 million in the United States, just shy of ''The Dark Knight's'' record $203.8 million 5-day US total. In the same period, international markets took in $186.1 million, bringing the 5-day worldwide total to $387.3 million.<ref>[http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2601&p=.htm BoxOfficeMojo.com - Weekend Report: ‘Revenge of the Fallen' Rises with Optimal Debut, June 28, 2009]</ref>

==Trivia==
*The official title of the film is ''Revenge of the Fallen'' (with a lower-case "t" in "the") even though it is apparently referring to [[The Fallen]] (with a capital "T" in "The").
*Leo's room features posters for [[Wikipedia:Naruto|Naruto]], [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]], and [[Wikipedia:Bad Boys 2|Bad Boys 2]].
*During the scenes set in and around the deli in NYC, posters for the bands [[Wikipedia:Catch 22 (band)|Catch Twenty-Two]] and [[wikipedia:Voodoo Glow Skulls|Voodoo Glow Skulls]] are prominently featured.
*[[Frank Welker]] dubbed [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] not only in English but also in Italian, as a result, in the Italian edition of the movie Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent.

==Transformers references==
In addition to carryovers from the previous film, various concepts and characters are derived from previous iterations of Transformers:
* The whole concept of "Transformers disguised as a human" used for [[Alice]] is inspired by the [[Pretender]]s. Roberto Orci even used the term "Pretender" during an interview before the movie release. However, a Transformer with an "organic" alt-mode instead of an external shell is a concept more reminiscent of the [[Beast Era]].
* The Generation 1 iteration of [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] is frequently portrayed as switching from Decepticon to Autobot (he's usually a young and technologically up-to-the-minute 'bot, however.)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and his ejectible minion [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] both have Generation 1 counterparts. Movie Soundwave even has the same voice actor as 1984 cartoon Soundwave, using the same voice, though without the synthetic vocal processing that made the cartoon voice so distinctive.
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] bears little physical resemblance to his Generation 1 namesake, but is a vaguely similar character archetype, and he ''does'' have that characteristic door armor hanging from his elbows.
* Generation 1 [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] was the first female Transformer with a starring role, and was likewise a pink-colored girlbot. The idea of Arcee the pink girlbot as a motorcycle dates back to ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], the combined form of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]], was the first combiner robot in Generation 1.
* The characters are new, but the names "[[Mudflap]]", "[[Skids]]", "[[Jolt]]", "[[Rampage]]" and "[[Wheelie]]" are not. Likewise for the concept of "[[Seeker]]s".
* Prime dying and coming back to life has been done [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|times beyond counting]].
* Prime combining with another 'bot to increase his power (and often gain flight capabilities) is a trope that has occurred in many recent Transformers series (''Robots in Disguise'', ''Armada'', ''Energon'', ''Cybertron''.) In ''Armada'', a different [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] was his most frequent combination partner. This is the first time the other 'bot had to die for it to happen, though.
* The Fallen is based on a comic book character that made his debut in the 2004 miniseries [[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]. In fact, according to Hasbro, he is the ''exact'' same character! (Don't bother trying to make sense of it).
* The [[Matrix of Leadership]] is one of the franchise's oldest McGuffins.
* [[Energon]] (mentioned though never seen) is the Transformers' power source in numerous incarnations, beginning with the original cartoon.

==Development details==
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* In an interview with BANG! Showbiz, Shia LeBouf stated that the injuries he suffered in his recent vehicular collision were written into the script and did not adversely affect the filming schedule.<ref name="TheList2008">[http://www.list.co.uk/article/10788-shia-labeoufs-transformers-hand/ The List 1 August 2008]</ref>
* Also on January 29, 2009, Simon Furman commented on MTV Movie Blog about how the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] wouldn't fit very well into the movie's universe, and that he is glad they were dropped from the cast very early in development.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/01/29/no-dinobots-in-transformers-2-revenge-of-the-fallen-original-film-consultant-explains-why/ MTV Movie Blog interview with Simon Furman, January 29, 2009.]</ref>
* Michael Bay stated in interview with ''The Collider'' that he obtained permission to film in Egypt by contacting [[Zahi Hawass]], secretary general of Egypt's council of antiquities, who turned out to be a fan of the 2007 ''Transformers'' movie.<ref>[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 The Collider article and video interview with Michael Bay, February 9, 2009]</ref>
* In an interview with Sci Fi Wire on March 31st, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman said they had looked through the comics and cartoons for the "most elemental bad guy" that "jumped off the material" and found that in the Fallen. They also stated that due to production necessities (Hasbro and Bay needing characters for scenes and design to begin as soon as possible) and the 2008-2009 Writers Strike, some characters were in their initial treatment while others were designed specifically for the movie production, and that due to the overall numbers of robots, the audience would not get to know all of the Transformers closely. Indeed, Orci and Kurtzman referred to some characters via descriptors such "Volt" (Jolt) and "Wheelbot" (Demolishor). They also confirmed that Nimoy was open to playing the Fallen if the role was offered, and that they were in the middle of hashing it out with Frank Welker over a role in the movie, but the final decision was down to Bay.<ref name="scifiwireMarch2009">[http://scifiwire.com/2009/03/orci-kurtzman-reveal-tran.php SciFi Wire March 2009 interview with Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman]</ref>
* On the MTV Movies blog, Michael Bay reported that they were still doing for the voices for the film, and that he was (jokingly) nervous of asking his relative Leonard Nimoy if he wanted to voice The Fallen in the movie for fear of offending him with the relatively low pay allotted to voice actors.<ref>[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/04/21/michael-bay-afraid-to-offend-leonard-nimoy-with-transformers-family-reunion-offer/ ''Michael Bay Afraid To Offend Leonard Nimoy With ‘Transformers’ Family Reunion Offer'', MTV.com Movies blog, April 21, 2009]</ref>
* In a June 22nd article in Forbes (released online on June 4th), Michael Bay talked about his philosphy in movie-making, his demand of part-ownership of movies he makes, and the revelation that he receives an 8% cut of all toy sales from the ''Transformers'' movies.<ref>[http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0622/celebrity-09-transformers-michael-bay-making-movies-enemies-money.html Michael Bay article on Forbes.com June 4, 2009]</ref>
* On June 8th, 2009, the movie had its world premiere in Japan. Michael Bay, Shia LaBeouf, Megan Fox, Josh Duhamel, Tyrese Gibson, Isabel Lucas and Ramon Rodriguez attended.<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/47a23fdbb6ddc8ece6a0a6c87ccc2bbe-499.html Japanese Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 8, 2009]</ref>. Other countries such as South Korea<ref>[http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/f7a7af7e754cfa877a635b95d8908eea-506.html Korean Premiere photos at Michael Bay.com, June 9, 2009]</ref>, the United Kingdom and Germany followed over the course of the next few days.
===Disinformation===
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* Michael Bay has claimed that the studio is putting out deliberate misinformation, to obscure real leaks.<ref>[http://io9.com/382919/michael-bay-plays-internet-punkd Michael Bay Plays Internet Punk'd]</ref> (Like our jobs weren't hard enough.)
* During San Diego Comic-Con 2008, in an interview on July 25th, [[Simon Furman]] claimed that the film would feature a character called [[The Fallen]], which was a character they created for [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''<ref>[http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17412 Simon Furman confirms The Fallen is a character in an interview with Comic Book Resources]</ref> Three days later, [[IDW Publishing]] writer [[Chris Mowry]] corroborated the claim in an interview with MTV Splash Page, calling "The Fallen" the main villain of ''Revenge'' ([[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] was also confirmed in the same interview, but the reference to her was mysteriously removed shortly after publication). <ref>[http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/07/28/exclusive-transformers-2-prequel-comic-gives-inside-scoop-on-2009-movie/ MTV Splash Page interviews Chris Mowry]</ref> Less than a week after this, however, Michael Bay reiterated that everything leaked thus far is part of their misinformation campaign and that only a handful of people involved with the production of ''Revenge'' have seen the script, contradicting IDW's interviews where their representatives confirm that they have the script. Additionally, Bay claimed the only truth about the film was Sam going to college.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=44729&postcount=2 A post made by Michael Bay on his forum]</ref> Curiously, on August 5th 2008, after a fan posted on Michael Bay's forum pointing out the contradiction, all references to the Fallen were removed from the aforementioned interviews, as well as any references to IDW Publishing having the script.
* ''Empire'' magazine's February 2009 issue features information on the role of the Egyptian Pyramids in the Movieverse's backstory. Michael Bay also confirmed The Fallen and denied Megatron would be resurrected (this later turned out to be untrue). Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics resembling helicopters will be revealed to be depictions of Transformers who visited Earth before the pyramids were built.<ref name="EmpireFeb2009">''Empire'' article entitled "20 to watch in 2009", written by Nick de Semelyn, dated February 2009, pages 68 and 69, issue 236</ref>
* After a short and poorly excuted "misinformation campaign" on the part of Michael Bay, Paramount and their licensees where they claimed that Megatron was not in the movie despite all ''officially released'' evidence to the contrary (including Megatron's brief appearance in the February 1 Superbowl tv spot and the February teaser trailer), Roberto Orci confirmed that Megatron does indeed return.<ref name="Megatron returns">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-211.html#post3333713 Roberto Orci confirms Megatron's return on TFW2005.com - February 22, 2009]</ref>
* On March 6, due to the reports of Weaving's return, Michael Bay finally admitted Megatron was back, but claimed that Megatron would only appear briefly in a flashback to the past, despite the fact Megatron can be seen pinning Sam Witwicky to the ground in ''Revenge's'' tv spot and teaser trailer. One can assume that the director was trying to salvage some form of audience surprise in seeing Megatron return in the movie. In other news of a presumably legitimate kind, Bay said that the movie would go into the distant past and explain the history of the [[Prime]]s.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showpost.php?p=66825&postcount=4 Michael Bay on his forum - March 6, 2009]</ref>

===''Transformers'' sequel and the 2007-2008 Writers Strike===
In late 2007, during preproduction for then-untitled ''Transformers'' sequel, the [[wikipedia:2007–2008 Writers Guild of America strike|Writers Guild of America went on strike]]. At the time, Roberto Orci stated that the strike could likely delay ''Transformers 2's'' release. However, Michael Bay refuted this, claiming the movie was still on schedule.<ref>[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6200#post6200 Robert Orci discusses the strike & TF2]</ref> The reason behind Bay's confidence was discovered by Orci shortly after the strike ended. The director had apparently taken the outline the writers had handed in the night before the strike, and began pre-production based on it. <ref>[http://www.donmurphy.net/board/showthread.php?t=24357&page=4 Don Murphy message board - Orci on the aftermath of the strike]</ref>

==Errors==
*Bumblebee picks up Sam at a frat party in the evening. He then takes him to a graveyard where it's daytime.
*On the sonar, there are "five contacts" diving down to Megatron's location, and "six contacts" going up after his resurrection. Since one Constructicon was killed to repair Megatron, shouldn't there be only five contacts going up as well? Keep in mind, Scalpel is too small to register on sonar, but Ravage is just large enough.
*Pulling a [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], Scalpel vanishes after Optimus' arrival, the Twins are not seen again after the Devastator fight and Wheelie disappears for the entire third act. What the hell, man?
*When Jetfire is activated at the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum (actually the [[Wikipedia:Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center|Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center]], an annex of the Smithsonian) in Washington, he leaves the exhibition center and exits into the desert location of the [[Wikipedia:309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group|309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (aka The Boneyard)]], which is in Tuscon, Arizona. When Jetfire breaks out of the building, we can see a composited image of the Boneyard's rows of planes, so it's arguable that in this universe the middle of Washington DC happens to be a desert full of old planes, and no buildings and uh... heh heh. Given that this and the Transformers are the ''only'' changes between this universe and ours, that's a stretch.

===Not actually an error===

==External links==
*[http://www.transformersmovie.com Dreamworks/Paramount's ''Transformers'' Movie website]
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/ Hasbro's ''Transformers'' homepage]
*[http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10866/tcid/1 Interview with Michael Bay 02/09/2009] — Collider.com

==References==
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