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Frank Milkovich

2009-08-05T14:20:16Z

66.146.131.162:

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|Flesh, metal, what's the difference?]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a Canadian ''Transformers'' fan-turned-artist who has freelanced for [[IDW Publishing]] & Titan UK Magazine/Comics. He typically posts on Transformers-related forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

Milkovich's first work appeared in the fan art section for Dreamwave's Transformers #0. A few years later, he was contracted by IDW to illustrate many characters in the ''[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]''. Subsequently, Milkovich has inked Dan Khanna's pencils for IDW's ''Doubledealer Spotlight'' #1 and Titan UK's ''Transformers Movie'' #18. He continues to occassionally work on fan art commissions and takes on new assignments from IDW and Titan UK when he has free time from his career as an urban architect in Toronto, Canada.

==Titan Magazines==
*[[Transformers Comic issue 18]], "Return to Cybertron: Part 2" - interior inks (with [[Dan Khanna]] as penciller)

==IDW Publishing==
*[[Spotlight: Doubledealer]] - interior inks (with Dan Khanna as penciller)

[[Image:Rhinox bw sourcebook 3.jpg|thumb|120px|Someone shat detail all over me!]]
*[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]] #3 - interior pencils & inks for the following:
**[[Powerpinch]]
**[[Randy (BWN)|Randy]]
**[[Rattrap]] (original form and [[Transmetal]] form)
**[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
**[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original form and Transmetal form)
**[[Scissor Boy]]
**[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]
{{-}}

[[Image:Beast Wars Sourcebook 4.jpg|thumb|120px|I sure fit into this box-shaped area really really well!]]
*[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]] #4 - interior pencils & inks for the following:
**[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]]
**[[Snarl (BW)|Snarl]]
**[[Stampy]]
**[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrust]]
**[[Tigerhawk]]
**[[Transmutate]]
**[[Tripledacus]]
{{-}}

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Talk:Frank Milkovich

2009-08-05T14:19:52Z

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Can't stand the dude's art, but I think the appraisal of that thread is completely unfair. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:50, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'm inclined to agree. It doesn't seem like he loses composure so much as acts in a stubborn fashion and later disowns the thread.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:05, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
::Not to say it was all right for Hiro Prime and Valkysas to post their PMs from Crobot91, but some of the stuff there was pretty harsh. He seemingly could not deal with the criticism, and looked down upon fans who haven't 'made it' with the companies who have the TF license. So as somebody who witnessed the thread collapse in Board Real-Time, I'd say the appraisal is not completely unfair. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:::This article is pretty over-the-top. Who CARES how he acted in one losery thread? This wiki snarks at Pat Lee's art style because it's bad, and Pat Lee the person because he did bad things that actually hurt people. It's fine to complain about Milk's everybody's-an-Erector-set art style, but "he was mean to some nobodies in one thread" just strikes me as petty. And it could go on forever, too. We could just fill in every single fan on the [[Fandom]] page with every stupid assy thing they've ever said. As memory serves, we took pains to remove such sentiments from [[Raksha]]'s page. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 02:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I thought at the very least the link would have been taken down. Hm. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'm not looking to start an argument or anythign there, but would this be any different if it took place at the Allspark and involved you guys? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::Some of us were involved in wacky Raksha arguments on ATT literally for ''years''. That's also where Adam Patyk pissed off some people. I could dig up hilarious stuff from Mouth04, and probably, as I said, ''90%+ of the "fans gone official''; Google never forgets (tm). There are personality-based boogers we could flick at a great deal of the voice actors--this has already been discussed on Kaplan's talk page and frankly it could be on Almighty Cullen's too. If and when Milkovich hurts official product by missing his deadlines, or defrauds his customers and business partners, then that can go in. But unless his private emails (and that's basically the source for these complaints, after they were bitchily reposted in public) actually hurt the franchise, then, again, ''let's not.'' We would literally never be able to stop. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 12:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I assume the anon user who has been pruning this article is the dude himself. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Do we really need the art gallery, ''especially'' the fan art? It's only making the page ugly with vast wads of whitespace, especially egregious in the Doubledealer part. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:32, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:Accidentally hit enter before I was done with the edit... the TPB section was pretty much completely redundant with the individual issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:42, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

::Ya know, I think if Milkovich is going to try and turn this article into his own personal online resume, we should add that quote of his from TFW2005 back to the article: "Lol, grow up guys! It's not like my goal in life is to draw comics. If you think that I, at the age of 32, am stilll (sic) desperately pinning my hopes on drawing comics, you're sadly mistaken, lol (that would actually be pretty pathetic on my part)." --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:30, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::lol that's cool![[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:47, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

:::Eh. I disagree. Thy's argument above still stands. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:42, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

As per the ''HELP'' section guidelines ''"Add only correct and '''objective''' information. Random personal theories are not helpful. Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely. Don't post rumors or hearsay; post only information you know and can verify."'' Adding a quote taken out of context is not necessary and comes across as quite petty and immature. The theory about this page becoming an online resume doesn't seem to be the case anymore since half the pictures were removed. It should also be noted that Mr. Milkovich did not start this page, rather he only contributed to it in a factual and positive manner (by adding scans of his professional transformers work). It is also interesting that all images pertaining to the less controversial inked comic pages were removed, while the so-called 'controversial' Beast Wars artwork was left alone, hmmmm. It is fairly obvious that a certain 'ghostbuster' (and his little circle of cyber-friends) has an agenda against Mr. Milkovich and does not know how to contribute in a positive nor professional manner. --{{unsigned|99.234.207.36|19:03, 4 August 2009}}

:Perhaps the quote above was a little incendiary, but DrSpengler is a well respected member of this community, and his words tend to have more weight than an anonymous member. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:06, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::I found it equally unprofessional of Milkovich to edit his article to remove the short critical analysis of his style, as well as the ''very'' gentle ribbing of his Silverbolt piece, then proceed to quite obviously try and turn it into his own personal online resume, adding a needlessly extensive and unsolicited art gallery of his work. I don't really care if the quote (which he cannot deny having typed, as it was sourced) gets removed, but I felt the guy simply needed a humbling. Oh, and no "circle of cyber-friends" was involved in my edit. Quite honestly, Milkovich isn't important enough or talented enough to warrant a secret cabal of internet evil-doers dedicated to ruining his art career (he seems pretty good at doing that himself). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:21, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

::It was my impression that the inked pages were removed because Frank did not actually draw those himself, being Dan Khanna's pencils. The BW art, which is his linework work from the ground up, is much more indicative of ''his'' style. At any rate, I'm actually working on something now that will... split the difference, so to speak. I don't think that any artist's page on this wiki should be turned into a secondary dA account, but it SHOULD contain a lot more visuals... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:19, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:You guys realize this is Frank himself, right? Not the first time [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/66.146.131.162 he edited this page] and now the IP adress is conveniently coming back after [[User:FrankMilkovich]]'s edits were for the most part reverted. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:59, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

wow i guess one should be amazed or embarrassed having a guy who monickers a defunct 80s cartoon franchise nerd trying to actually "humble" someone who's got at least some professional credentials .. no worries you have our sympathies mr ghostbuster, time to grow up junior and move out of mommy and daddys basement {{unsigned|99.234.207.36|19:03, 4 August 2009}}
: XD XD XD XD XD. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 20:09, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::Is that you, Mr. Milkovich? I see your grammer is as excellent as your artwork. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:21, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::As if there was any doubt at this stage. Cricism met with mocking dismissal? Check PLUS. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:21, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::::''having a guy who '''monickers''' a defunct 80s cartoon franchise nerd trying to actually "humble" someone''
::::Who is Bob Budiansky trying to "humble"? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:23, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

noone is entitled to opinions unless mr ghostbuster and his nerd minions concede?? wow i guess folks who like to dish it out sure cant take it - take the bloody noses and crawl back to your wet blankets juniors --{{unsigned|99.234.207.36|19:03, 4 August 2009}}

: ...what are you ON about?? Who's denying opinons? What minions? Can't take what? What bloody noses? Are you sure you're not hallucinating entire segments of this conversation? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:13, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::Oh Christ, is this going to turn into another Assaulthead/Detour sort of thing, except this time around it will be Milkovich endlessly starting threads about me titled "Mr. Ghostbuster's Big Fat Ass", "Fuck Mr. Ghostbuster" and "Mr. Ghostbuster sucks shit"? I mean, it'll be amusing for ''me'', but I apologize in advance to the mods who'll have to delete the threads. Anyhow, I should have realized from that quote we decided not to include in the article that Milkovich takes crticism of his work with all the dignity of a six year old. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:21, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:Look, Frank. Let's get one thing straight - Speng isn't the secret lord and master of the Wiki. That'd be me. You want to blame someone for peeing in your cornflakes this morning, blame me. I'm just good like that. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 22:32, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

your comments are just proving the point mr ghostbuster - love to criticize but cry foul when people dont agree with you. its alright - all the beatings you got in high school should have made you stronger but all they did was make you bitter at folks like crobot who actually contributed professionally to a medium you worship and dedicate your whole life to. yep it hurts for you to see others actually contributing professionally to transformers, meanwhile you waste your life away on these boards by adding posts and edits. youre running down the same path of wanabe secret lord of tf nerdom like hiroprime and valkiwhatever. yep youre sure to make something of yourself in the real world, junior, by idolizing those losers footsteps. most likely why you have a night job and cant get a real job much like them. keep contributing with edits and count those posts - you should be out of the parents basement in 20 years --{{unsigned|99.234.207.36|19:03, 4 August 2009}}

:Oh come now, Frank, you aren't fooling anyone with that "folks like crobot" stuff; we all know its you. You seem to be taking this all rather hard. My heart goes out to you. I suggest you try and relax and move on with your life. I'm not even certain why this seems so important to you. I mean, in your own words: "It's not like my goal in life is to draw comics." Obviously, this is all small potatoes to you, or so you'd leave folks to believe. Anyhow, I'm not sure how working a job at night makes it not "real" (the money I earn is counterfeit?), but you're a hard guy to understand, what with your mastery of the English language extending no further than lower case letters and "lol". I guess you put as much effort into English class as you did Art class.

:Anyhow, take care of yourself, Frank. And good luck with that art career you apparently don't care about (your work certainly reflects your dedicated spirit). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:38, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
::I think our Mr Frank here is just as good as Pat Lee. I love the fact he keeps coming here and rants about some but hurt this page gives him, remembers me of Floro Dery, but at least Floro Dery has talent and is a good artist.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 02:54, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
::: Dery is also a better troll. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 07:30, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

I don't particularly care either way, but if we're not showing Frank's ugly side here then why do we do the opposite for [[Floro Dery]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:35, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
:Well, to be fair, it started out with just ONE argument on TFW2005 (unlike Dery's fandom-crossing tirades or Mark Bristow's getting-banned-on-every-single-TF-board), but I guess now that we have Frank throwing a giant tempter tantrum on the wiki, it's a bit more noteworthy since it's not an isolated incident. I'm not saying we MUST have quotes about Frank's online behavior on the wiki, but now it's more than just one instance. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:58, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

::To to paraphrase Kyde (on a different subject/topic) in 2007: I am not surprised. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:32, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

It is quite obvious that a certain 'ghostbuster' has felt very slighted and, subsequently, this small irrelevant community feels threatened by the casual observer who attempts to present a view contrary to their own (and, no, most casual observers have no intention of registering and spending time on a self-indulgent website meant to soothe the constant pangs of early childhood and memories of being bullied in school). As another anon user has already emphasized, this insignificant community lashes out against any attempts at moderation, impartiality, and objectivity (which was emphasized earlier on too). Quite a sad pathetic bunch, I guess society will need to show some semblance of welfare to child-like individuals such as yourselves who spend too much free time on the computer and not enough time in the real world. Good luck to you all (you will desperately need it); you all have shallow aspirations of contributing to a fandom that does not care for you, hence the lack of success (both business-wise and personal) in your lives.

Frank Milkovich

2009-08-04T20:03:25Z

66.146.131.162:

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|Flesh, metal, what's the difference?]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a ''Transformers'' fan-turned-artist who has freelanced for [[IDW Publishing]] & Titan UK Magazine/Comics. In addition, Mr. Milkovich typically posts on transformers-related forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

Frank's first work appeared in the fan art section for Dreamwave's Transformers #0. A few years later, he was contracted by IDW to illustrate many characters in the [[Beast Wars Sourcebook]]. Subsequently, Frank has inked Dan Khanna's pencils for IDW's Doubledealer Spotlight #1 and Titan UK's Transformers Movie #18. Mr. Milkovich continues to occassionally work on fan art commissions and takes on new assignments from IDW and Titan UK when he has free time from his career as an Urban Architect in Toronto, Canada.

Some fans have been strongly critical of Milkovich's art style, specifically for drawing characters as boxy, 100% mechanical beings with extra "tech" detailing indiscriminately covering every single inch of their bodies, even after prior, more well-established media (such as ''the Beast Wars cartoon itself'') had popularized them as having organic parts and smooth, streamlined body contours.

{{-}}

==Titan Books==
*UK collections - Transformers: The Movie #18
:interior inks (with [[Dan Khanna]] as penciller)

{{-}}

==IDW Publishing==
*[[Spotlight: Doubledealer]]
:interior inks (with Dan Khanna as penciller)

{{-}}

[[Image:Rhinox bw sourcebook 3.jpg|thumb|right|Someone shat detail all over me!]]
*[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]] #3
**[[Powerpinch]]
**[[Randy]]
**[[Rattrap]] (original form and [[Transmetal]] form)
**[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
**[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original form and Transmetal form)
**[[Scissor Boy]]
**[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]
:interior pencils & inks

{{-}}

[[Image:Beast Wars Sourcebook 4.jpg|thumb|right|I sure fit into this box-sized area really really well!]]
*[[Beast Wars Sourcebook]] #4
**[[Skywarp (BWII)|Skywarp]]
**[[Snarl (BW)|Snarl]]
**[[Stampy]]
**[[Thrust (BWII)|Thrust]]
**[[Tigerhawk]]
**[[Transmutate]]
**[[Tripledacus]]
:cover, interior pencils & inks

{{-}}

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Talk:Frank Milkovich

2009-08-04T20:02:39Z

66.146.131.162:

Frank Milkovich

2008-04-01T17:36:51Z

66.146.131.162:

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|Flesh, metal, what's the difference?]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a ''Transformers'' fan turned artist for [[IDW Publishing]] who typically posts on forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

After his work appeared in the [[Beast Wars Sourcebook]] he received numerous criticisms due to his preference for drawing characters as 100% mechanical, despite their having organic parts. Milkovich simply responded to these criticisms with the logic that "if [[Hasbro]] approved it then it must be good".

{{quote|Lol, grow up guys! It's not like my goal in life is to draw comics. If you think that I, at the age of 32, am stilll desperately pinning my hopes on drawing comics, you're sadly mistaken, lol (that would actually be pretty pathetic on my part). ...
}}

==Beast Wars Sourcebook==

*[[Powerpinch]]
*[[Randy]]
*[[Rattrap]] (original and [[transmetal]])
*[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original and Transmetal)
*[[Scissor Boy]]
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]

==External links==
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161845&page=7 Milkovich responding to criticism with rapidly disintegrating composure]

[[category: Artists]]
[[category: IDW]]
[[category: Fandom|Milkovich, Frank]]

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Frank Milkovich

2008-04-01T17:31:50Z

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[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' has contributed to pencilling and inking IDW's Beast Wars Sourcebook.

==Beast Wars Sourcebook==

*[[Powerpinch]]
*[[Randy]]
*[[Rattrap]] (original and [[transmetal]])
*[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original and Transmetal)
*[[Scissor Boy]]
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Frank Milkovich

2008-04-01T17:30:26Z

66.146.131.162:

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a ''Transformers'' fan turned artist for [[IDW Publishing]] who typically posts on forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

==Beast Wars Sourcebook==

*[[Powerpinch]]
*[[Randy]]
*[[Rattrap]] (original and [[transmetal]])
*[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original and Transmetal)
*[[Scissor Boy]]
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Frank Milkovich

2008-04-01T17:28:47Z

66.146.131.162: /* External links */

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|Flesh, metal, what's the difference?]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a ''Transformers'' fan turned artist for [[IDW Publishing]] who typically posts on forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

==Beast Wars Sourcebook==

*[[Powerpinch]]
*[[Randy]]
*[[Rattrap]] (original and [[transmetal]])
*[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original and Transmetal)
*[[Scissor Boy]]
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Frank Milkovich

2008-04-01T17:27:24Z

66.146.131.162:

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|Flesh, metal, what's the difference?]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a ''Transformers'' fan turned artist for [[IDW Publishing]] who typically posts on forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

==Beast Wars Sourcebook==

*[[Powerpinch]]
*[[Randy]]
*[[Rattrap]] (original and [[transmetal]])
*[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original and Transmetal)
*[[Scissor Boy]]
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]

==External links==
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161845&page=7 Milkovich responding to criticism with rapidly disintegrating composure]

[[category: Artists]]
[[category: IDW]]
[[category: Fandom|Milkovich, Frank]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Frank Milkovich

2008-04-01T17:27:00Z

66.146.131.162:

[[Image:Silverboltbeastwarssourcebook.jpg|thumb|right|Flesh, metal, what's the difference?]]

'''Frank Milkovich''' is a ''Transformers'' fan turned artist for [[IDW Publishing]] who typically posts on forums under the name '''Crobot91'''.

After his work appeared in the [[Beast Wars Sourcebook]] he received numerous criticisms due to his preference for drawing characters as 100% mechanical, despite their having organic parts. Milkovich simply responded to these criticisms with the logic that "if [[Hasbro]] approved it then it must be good".

{{quote|Lol, grow up guys! It's not like my goal in life is to draw comics. If you think that I, at the age of 32, am stilll desperately pinning my hopes on drawing comics, you're sadly mistaken, lol (that would actually be pretty pathetic on my part). ...
}}

==Beast Wars Sourcebook==

*[[Powerpinch]]
*[[Randy]]
*[[Rattrap]] (original and [[transmetal]])
*[[Razorclaw (BW)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (original and Transmetal)
*[[Scissor Boy]]
*[[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]

==External links==
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161845&page=7 Milkovich responding to criticism with rapidly disintegrating composure]

[[category: Artists]]
[[category: IDW]]
[[category: Fandom|Milkovich, Frank]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>