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Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

2010-01-21T21:56:39Z

66.157.50.68: /* Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons */

Does it really need to be "'''Ze''' little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.
::Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Our best evidence, if we take everything literally, is that G1 Soundwave is a triple-changer capable of transforming into a perfect facsimile of Sideswipe's robot mode between shots.
:::::It's a good thing we ''don't'' take everything 100% literally, because the inability to recognize a mistake as a mistake would be crippling. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It seems too unlikely to me that a red excavator transforms into a Scrapper-like robot - for one thing, there's no known example of a Transformer changing colour between modes in the Movieverse. It's possible that Scavenger was originally intended to join the others before they finalised his alt-mode, as occurs in some of the adaptations such as ''Rise of the Decepticons'' where the main image on the ROTF Constructicons page comes from. Given that the vehicle-shots before Devastator transforms don't match up with the transformation itself, I'm of the opinion that it's another editing goof and 'ze little one' is simply a Scrapper unit. (Which, given Rampage is smaller than him, puts Scalpel's eyesight into question...) [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 08:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The excavator is yellow, not red. It's not Scavenger's ginormous altmode, it's a smaller, yellow Volvo excavator. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oops, you're right, my bad. I still think it's a editing goof, but the alt mode being smaller and the same colour does add more credibility to the theory. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?
:::Maybe because he was alive when he got killed but was dead when he got revived (I know it sounds obvious but keep reading because I don't mean it like that) just like electricity, when your alive it kills you (stops your heart) but when you are dead (with a stopped heart) it brings you back to life (restarts your heart). Lightning is actually more powerful than a defibrillator.[[Special:Contributions/90.198.156.78|90.198.156.78]] 13:33, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The same way a cup of coffee jolts you up but a hundred cups kills you. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Jetfire indicated that Energon has some anti-entropic qualities. Mass doses will blow shit out, but lower doses can bring stuff to life.
::::Just like unleashign the full power of the matrix can nuke Unicron, but a tiny fragment of the Matrix's finite power can act as an 'extra life.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Would it be at all possible to ask Orci, Bay, or any of the other reliable sources on this in the same manner we ask Wyatt things? If not, could someone remember to bring it up at the next interview with them (if there's room)? The compromise we're using works for now, but it is kind of iffy, and a clear explanation from someone in charge should clean this right up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:35, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Not that I'm against that or anything... But it seems blatantly obvious just from the context of the movies. "No Optimus! Don't put the cube in your chest! It's PURE ENERGY!" *Sam puts cube in Meg's chest* "Aaaaaaaaaargh!" *melt melt melt melt melt* (by the way, heat is a form of energy). Considering the cube was used to power up all of Cybertron... Yeah, the whole thing was probably too much for anyone to handle all at once. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 03:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't think Orci would be interested in that like Wyatt. In [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html an interview] he was asked to clarify Devastator and he said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== Screentime ==

Rampage and Demolisher got whole scenes to themselves, and Mixmaster at least had that thing on top of the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as being the focus of every panning scene with the Constructicons. Long Haul I think was also there for a while in the scene with Simmons, and is easily more idenitifiable than the other Constructicons in most of the scenes including them. Honestly, even if ze little one ''was'' Scrapper, he got barely any screentime whatsoever - I had to be looking for him in the desert scene, once I knew he appeared there, to even see him, and Hightower and Overload didn't appear at all in robot form. As such, I don't think that the Q&A thing can be claimed to explicitly identify Scrapper as distinct from ze little one with the wording it uses.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:41, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one body-type as left leg ==

Okay, right from the start, I'll admit this is completely baseless speculation. However, with the exception of Kickback (who might share Rampage's alt-mode, both being bulldozers), there are no other Constructicons that only have a single body-type, and it's been noted in several places that a single Rampage is too small to create Devastator's left leg. ZLO is a yellow tracked construction vehicle with a similar mass to Long Haul, and since we never see exactly what becomes the left leg in the movie...

I know there isn't a Volvo excavator in the scene where Devastator forms, but then, there's only one bulldozer and it's commonly thought that at least two Rampages make up Devastator, and the vehicles-rolling-up section doesn't match the transformation section of the scene anyway. I also know that all the official information on Devastator lists Rampage as the left leg component, but then the film contradicts that ''anyway'' as it clearly shows him becoming the left hand, and if two Rampages do form the leg then that also contradicts the single-Rampage-as-leg canon. Might as well throw out crazy ideas since there's no official consensus on which Constructicon does what. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 06:48, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== Is all this speculation neccesary? ==

This is kinda pointless. Does it really matter what his actual name is? There are hundreds of other autobots and decepticons on Earth in this (like most, if not every) continuity that haven't been even talked about in the fiction, of course with not one being given a name. So what's the difference if this character has an actual name? {{unsigned|70.100.243.71}}
:It's fun. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:53, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Screenshot ==

Not sure if this is any good to anyone - [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ZeLittleOne.jpg]
--[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 03:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:Looks pretty good to me, especially since we don't have a mainpic for this guy yet. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 11:20, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

== Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons ==
On the ship we see 2 shots. A short shot with a wheel loader and several shots with the Volvo excavator. The Excavator has longer shots (more screntime), clearly has a Decepticon logo and even gets a close up and even movement. Therefore it is safe to assume that the loader only see for a very short time in a overhead shoot is a mistake and the excavator is the corect alternate mode. So this means that this robot can't be Scrapper because Scrapper is a wheel loader.
Judging on Devastors proportions Scrapper is one of the bigger constructicons, bigger then Mixmaster and Rampage so couldn't be referred to as 'little one'. Note that the loose Long Haul is a diffirent (bigger) truck type then the combining truck so can't be used for reference. Scrapper is seen in the desert battle and chasing Sam and Mickaela in the village so was clearly not dead (well untill being bombed by aircraft).
It is unclear whethere there are multiple contructicons of each body type. The combining vehicles were never seen in robot mode nor do they speak or show any signs of being seperate sentient beings, they simply combine. Devastator could simply be a seperate robot with an alt mode that splits into several construction vehicles.
Although the appearance of Grindor and a Decepticon identical to Bonecrusher indicates that it is possible to have multiple identical Transformers (unless these were in fact revived Blackout and Bonecrusher). If Devstators components are seperate robots then some of them would have survived as not all of Devastators parts were destroyed.
There is a concept art by [[Paul Ozzimo]] shows a robot similar to Scrapper but who has clearly tracks (on his right arm and seen on the right side of his back) instead of wheels.
Parts of Ze little one were used to repair Megatron, which after that Transformed into a tracked vehicle, indicating the constructicon killed had tracks. But perhaps they also used parts of Brawl's body. But if Brawl's body was close why would they bother to kill a constructicon and use his parts? Maybe they used a spark to revive Megatron and Brawl was dead for to long for it to be usefull.{{unsigned|84.105.192.220|07:47, 3 October 2009}}
scrapmetal is also seen side hightotwer.

== Screen shot of technical errors ==

I got a [http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3291/2mkv002332703.jpg pic] which can be used for [[Ze little one#Trivia]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)#Filming / editing / technical errors]]. But it still need another image (in which ze little one's alt mode is a Volvo excavator) to be made into a picture like [[:Image:Grimlockhead_ud2.jpg|this]]. (I haven't got DVD, so I can't finish the job. Thus I can only provide a picture.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'd like an image actually of Scrapper in robot mode jumping off the boat ahead of the others: so eager, yet so doomed. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 04:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Size ==

It looks to me like the smallest Constructicon was Mixmaster. Is this an error?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 18:47, 17 November 2009 (EST)

== Not ze little one ==

Im pretty sure that this guy is bigger than Scrapper and Mixmaster. So calling him Ze little one would be an error.--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 17:26, 13 December 2009 (EST)
:It's the only designation we have for the character. Also, you don't have to be the smallest Constructicon to die. You just need to be the slowest. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:58, 13 December 2009 (EST)

==We have a name.==
[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/641]. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:51, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:Well, what do you know? We actually have a name that is both Transformerish ''and'' descriptive! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:53, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::That is so not fair! Why couldn't we get THAT Hasbro guy to answer our Constructicons Q&A question?! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::Hasbro appreciates the fans' enthusiasm and support of the Transformers brand. To that end, Hasbro now solicits questions on a bi-monthly basis from leading fan web sites. Hasbro looks forward to responding to your questions!
:::(or to put it another way, NO) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:02, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:::No clue, frankly I was surprised they answered it at all. I asked on a whim because we couldn't come up with anything better. I actually fully expected "We dunno! There is no name!" [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 01:53, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:His name is very descriptive. It could serve as his complete known bio! But they could have been a little more definitive. "On our side, we like to call 'Ze Little One' Scrapmetal." Is that an official name or an official designation? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:01, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

2010-01-21T21:56:20Z

66.157.50.68: /* Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons */

Does it really need to be "'''Ze''' little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.
::Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Our best evidence, if we take everything literally, is that G1 Soundwave is a triple-changer capable of transforming into a perfect facsimile of Sideswipe's robot mode between shots.
:::::It's a good thing we ''don't'' take everything 100% literally, because the inability to recognize a mistake as a mistake would be crippling. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It seems too unlikely to me that a red excavator transforms into a Scrapper-like robot - for one thing, there's no known example of a Transformer changing colour between modes in the Movieverse. It's possible that Scavenger was originally intended to join the others before they finalised his alt-mode, as occurs in some of the adaptations such as ''Rise of the Decepticons'' where the main image on the ROTF Constructicons page comes from. Given that the vehicle-shots before Devastator transforms don't match up with the transformation itself, I'm of the opinion that it's another editing goof and 'ze little one' is simply a Scrapper unit. (Which, given Rampage is smaller than him, puts Scalpel's eyesight into question...) [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 08:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The excavator is yellow, not red. It's not Scavenger's ginormous altmode, it's a smaller, yellow Volvo excavator. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oops, you're right, my bad. I still think it's a editing goof, but the alt mode being smaller and the same colour does add more credibility to the theory. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?
:::Maybe because he was alive when he got killed but was dead when he got revived (I know it sounds obvious but keep reading because I don't mean it like that) just like electricity, when your alive it kills you (stops your heart) but when you are dead (with a stopped heart) it brings you back to life (restarts your heart). Lightning is actually more powerful than a defibrillator.[[Special:Contributions/90.198.156.78|90.198.156.78]] 13:33, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The same way a cup of coffee jolts you up but a hundred cups kills you. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Jetfire indicated that Energon has some anti-entropic qualities. Mass doses will blow shit out, but lower doses can bring stuff to life.
::::Just like unleashign the full power of the matrix can nuke Unicron, but a tiny fragment of the Matrix's finite power can act as an 'extra life.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Would it be at all possible to ask Orci, Bay, or any of the other reliable sources on this in the same manner we ask Wyatt things? If not, could someone remember to bring it up at the next interview with them (if there's room)? The compromise we're using works for now, but it is kind of iffy, and a clear explanation from someone in charge should clean this right up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:35, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Not that I'm against that or anything... But it seems blatantly obvious just from the context of the movies. "No Optimus! Don't put the cube in your chest! It's PURE ENERGY!" *Sam puts cube in Meg's chest* "Aaaaaaaaaargh!" *melt melt melt melt melt* (by the way, heat is a form of energy). Considering the cube was used to power up all of Cybertron... Yeah, the whole thing was probably too much for anyone to handle all at once. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 03:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't think Orci would be interested in that like Wyatt. In [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html an interview] he was asked to clarify Devastator and he said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== Screentime ==

Rampage and Demolisher got whole scenes to themselves, and Mixmaster at least had that thing on top of the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as being the focus of every panning scene with the Constructicons. Long Haul I think was also there for a while in the scene with Simmons, and is easily more idenitifiable than the other Constructicons in most of the scenes including them. Honestly, even if ze little one ''was'' Scrapper, he got barely any screentime whatsoever - I had to be looking for him in the desert scene, once I knew he appeared there, to even see him, and Hightower and Overload didn't appear at all in robot form. As such, I don't think that the Q&A thing can be claimed to explicitly identify Scrapper as distinct from ze little one with the wording it uses.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:41, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one body-type as left leg ==

Okay, right from the start, I'll admit this is completely baseless speculation. However, with the exception of Kickback (who might share Rampage's alt-mode, both being bulldozers), there are no other Constructicons that only have a single body-type, and it's been noted in several places that a single Rampage is too small to create Devastator's left leg. ZLO is a yellow tracked construction vehicle with a similar mass to Long Haul, and since we never see exactly what becomes the left leg in the movie...

I know there isn't a Volvo excavator in the scene where Devastator forms, but then, there's only one bulldozer and it's commonly thought that at least two Rampages make up Devastator, and the vehicles-rolling-up section doesn't match the transformation section of the scene anyway. I also know that all the official information on Devastator lists Rampage as the left leg component, but then the film contradicts that ''anyway'' as it clearly shows him becoming the left hand, and if two Rampages do form the leg then that also contradicts the single-Rampage-as-leg canon. Might as well throw out crazy ideas since there's no official consensus on which Constructicon does what. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 06:48, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== Is all this speculation neccesary? ==

This is kinda pointless. Does it really matter what his actual name is? There are hundreds of other autobots and decepticons on Earth in this (like most, if not every) continuity that haven't been even talked about in the fiction, of course with not one being given a name. So what's the difference if this character has an actual name? {{unsigned|70.100.243.71}}
:It's fun. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:53, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Screenshot ==

Not sure if this is any good to anyone - [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ZeLittleOne.jpg]
--[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 03:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:Looks pretty good to me, especially since we don't have a mainpic for this guy yet. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 11:20, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

== Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons ==
On the ship we see 2 shots. A short shot with a wheel loader and several shots with the Volvo excavator. The Excavator has longer shots (more screntime), clearly has a Decepticon logo and even gets a close up and even movement. Therefore it is safe to assume that the loader only see for a very short time in a overhead shoot is a mistake and the excavator is the corect alternate mode. So this means that this robot can't be Scrapper because Scrapper is a wheel loader.
Judging on Devastors proportions Scrapper is one of the bigger constructicons, bigger then Mixmaster and Rampage so couldn't be referred to as 'little one'. Note that the loose Long Haul is a diffirent (bigger) truck type then the combining truck so can't be used for reference. Scrapper is seen in the desert battle and chasing Sam and Mickaela in the village so was clearly not dead (well untill being bombed by aircraft).
It is unclear whethere there are multiple contructicons of each body type. The combining vehicles were never seen in robot mode nor do they speak or show any signs of being seperate sentient beings, they simply combine. Devastator could simply be a seperate robot with an alt mode that splits into several construction vehicles.
Although the appearance of Grindor and a Decepticon identical to Bonecrusher indicates that it is possible to have multiple identical Transformers (unless these were in fact revived Blackout and Bonecrusher). If Devstators components are seperate robots then some of them would have survived as not all of Devastators parts were destroyed.
There is a concept art by [[Paul Ozzimo]] shows a robot similar to Scrapper but who has clearly tracks (on his right arm and seen on the right side of his back) instead of wheels.
Parts of Ze little one were used to repair Megatron, which after that Transformed into a tracked vehicle, indicating the constructicon killed had tracks. But perhaps they also used parts of Brawl's body. But if Brawl's body was close why would they bother to kill a constructicon and use his parts? Maybe they used a spark to revive Megatron and Brawl was dead for to long for it to be usefull.{{unsigned|84.105.192.220|07:47, 3 October 2009}}
scrapmetal is also seen side hichtotwer.

== Screen shot of technical errors ==

I got a [http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3291/2mkv002332703.jpg pic] which can be used for [[Ze little one#Trivia]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)#Filming / editing / technical errors]]. But it still need another image (in which ze little one's alt mode is a Volvo excavator) to be made into a picture like [[:Image:Grimlockhead_ud2.jpg|this]]. (I haven't got DVD, so I can't finish the job. Thus I can only provide a picture.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'd like an image actually of Scrapper in robot mode jumping off the boat ahead of the others: so eager, yet so doomed. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 04:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Size ==

It looks to me like the smallest Constructicon was Mixmaster. Is this an error?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 18:47, 17 November 2009 (EST)

== Not ze little one ==

Im pretty sure that this guy is bigger than Scrapper and Mixmaster. So calling him Ze little one would be an error.--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 17:26, 13 December 2009 (EST)
:It's the only designation we have for the character. Also, you don't have to be the smallest Constructicon to die. You just need to be the slowest. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:58, 13 December 2009 (EST)

==We have a name.==
[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/641]. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:51, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:Well, what do you know? We actually have a name that is both Transformerish ''and'' descriptive! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:53, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::That is so not fair! Why couldn't we get THAT Hasbro guy to answer our Constructicons Q&A question?! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::Hasbro appreciates the fans' enthusiasm and support of the Transformers brand. To that end, Hasbro now solicits questions on a bi-monthly basis from leading fan web sites. Hasbro looks forward to responding to your questions!
:::(or to put it another way, NO) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:02, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:::No clue, frankly I was surprised they answered it at all. I asked on a whim because we couldn't come up with anything better. I actually fully expected "We dunno! There is no name!" [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 01:53, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:His name is very descriptive. It could serve as his complete known bio! But they could have been a little more definitive. "On our side, we like to call 'Ze Little One' Scrapmetal." Is that an official name or an official designation? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:01, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

2010-01-21T21:54:02Z

66.157.50.68: /* Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons */

Does it really need to be "'''Ze''' little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.
::Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Our best evidence, if we take everything literally, is that G1 Soundwave is a triple-changer capable of transforming into a perfect facsimile of Sideswipe's robot mode between shots.
:::::It's a good thing we ''don't'' take everything 100% literally, because the inability to recognize a mistake as a mistake would be crippling. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It seems too unlikely to me that a red excavator transforms into a Scrapper-like robot - for one thing, there's no known example of a Transformer changing colour between modes in the Movieverse. It's possible that Scavenger was originally intended to join the others before they finalised his alt-mode, as occurs in some of the adaptations such as ''Rise of the Decepticons'' where the main image on the ROTF Constructicons page comes from. Given that the vehicle-shots before Devastator transforms don't match up with the transformation itself, I'm of the opinion that it's another editing goof and 'ze little one' is simply a Scrapper unit. (Which, given Rampage is smaller than him, puts Scalpel's eyesight into question...) [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 08:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The excavator is yellow, not red. It's not Scavenger's ginormous altmode, it's a smaller, yellow Volvo excavator. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oops, you're right, my bad. I still think it's a editing goof, but the alt mode being smaller and the same colour does add more credibility to the theory. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?
:::Maybe because he was alive when he got killed but was dead when he got revived (I know it sounds obvious but keep reading because I don't mean it like that) just like electricity, when your alive it kills you (stops your heart) but when you are dead (with a stopped heart) it brings you back to life (restarts your heart). Lightning is actually more powerful than a defibrillator.[[Special:Contributions/90.198.156.78|90.198.156.78]] 13:33, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The same way a cup of coffee jolts you up but a hundred cups kills you. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Jetfire indicated that Energon has some anti-entropic qualities. Mass doses will blow shit out, but lower doses can bring stuff to life.
::::Just like unleashign the full power of the matrix can nuke Unicron, but a tiny fragment of the Matrix's finite power can act as an 'extra life.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Would it be at all possible to ask Orci, Bay, or any of the other reliable sources on this in the same manner we ask Wyatt things? If not, could someone remember to bring it up at the next interview with them (if there's room)? The compromise we're using works for now, but it is kind of iffy, and a clear explanation from someone in charge should clean this right up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:35, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Not that I'm against that or anything... But it seems blatantly obvious just from the context of the movies. "No Optimus! Don't put the cube in your chest! It's PURE ENERGY!" *Sam puts cube in Meg's chest* "Aaaaaaaaaargh!" *melt melt melt melt melt* (by the way, heat is a form of energy). Considering the cube was used to power up all of Cybertron... Yeah, the whole thing was probably too much for anyone to handle all at once. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 03:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't think Orci would be interested in that like Wyatt. In [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html an interview] he was asked to clarify Devastator and he said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== Screentime ==

Rampage and Demolisher got whole scenes to themselves, and Mixmaster at least had that thing on top of the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as being the focus of every panning scene with the Constructicons. Long Haul I think was also there for a while in the scene with Simmons, and is easily more idenitifiable than the other Constructicons in most of the scenes including them. Honestly, even if ze little one ''was'' Scrapper, he got barely any screentime whatsoever - I had to be looking for him in the desert scene, once I knew he appeared there, to even see him, and Hightower and Overload didn't appear at all in robot form. As such, I don't think that the Q&A thing can be claimed to explicitly identify Scrapper as distinct from ze little one with the wording it uses.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:41, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one body-type as left leg ==

Okay, right from the start, I'll admit this is completely baseless speculation. However, with the exception of Kickback (who might share Rampage's alt-mode, both being bulldozers), there are no other Constructicons that only have a single body-type, and it's been noted in several places that a single Rampage is too small to create Devastator's left leg. ZLO is a yellow tracked construction vehicle with a similar mass to Long Haul, and since we never see exactly what becomes the left leg in the movie...

I know there isn't a Volvo excavator in the scene where Devastator forms, but then, there's only one bulldozer and it's commonly thought that at least two Rampages make up Devastator, and the vehicles-rolling-up section doesn't match the transformation section of the scene anyway. I also know that all the official information on Devastator lists Rampage as the left leg component, but then the film contradicts that ''anyway'' as it clearly shows him becoming the left hand, and if two Rampages do form the leg then that also contradicts the single-Rampage-as-leg canon. Might as well throw out crazy ideas since there's no official consensus on which Constructicon does what. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 06:48, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== Is all this speculation neccesary? ==

This is kinda pointless. Does it really matter what his actual name is? There are hundreds of other autobots and decepticons on Earth in this (like most, if not every) continuity that haven't been even talked about in the fiction, of course with not one being given a name. So what's the difference if this character has an actual name? {{unsigned|70.100.243.71}}
:It's fun. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:53, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Screenshot ==

Not sure if this is any good to anyone - [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ZeLittleOne.jpg]
--[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 03:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)
:Looks pretty good to me, especially since we don't have a mainpic for this guy yet. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 11:20, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

== Scrapper, Ze Little one and constructicons ==
On the ship we see 2 shots. A short shot with a wheel loader and several shots with the Volvo excavator. The Excavator has longer shots (more screntime), clearly has a Decepticon logo and even gets a close up and even movement. Therefore it is safe to assume that the loader only see for a very short time in a overhead shoot is a mistake and the excavator is the corect alternate mode. So this means that this robot can't be Scrapper because Scrapper is a wheel loader.
Judging on Devastors proportions Scrapper is one of the bigger constructicons, bigger then Mixmaster and Rampage so couldn't be referred to as 'little one'. Note that the loose Long Haul is a diffirent (bigger) truck type then the combining truck so can't be used for reference. Scrapper is seen in the desert battle and chasing Sam and Mickaela in the village so was clearly not dead (well untill being bombed by aircraft).
It is unclear whethere there are multiple contructicons of each body type. The combining vehicles were never seen in robot mode nor do they speak or show any signs of being seperate sentient beings, they simply combine. Devastator could simply be a seperate robot with an alt mode that splits into several construction vehicles.
Although the appearance of Grindor and a Decepticon identical to Bonecrusher indicates that it is possible to have multiple identical Transformers (unless these were in fact revived Blackout and Bonecrusher). If Devstators components are seperate robots then some of them would have survived as not all of Devastators parts were destroyed.
There is a concept art by [[Paul Ozzimo]] shows a robot similar to Scrapper but who has clearly tracks (on his right arm and seen on the right side of his back) instead of wheels.
Parts of Ze little one were used to repair Megatron, which after that Transformed into a tracked vehicle, indicating the constructicon killed had tracks. But perhaps they also used parts of Brawl's body. But if Brawl's body was close why would they bother to kill a constructicon and use his parts? Maybe they used a spark to revive Megatron and Brawl was dead for to long for it to be usefull.{{unsigned|84.105.192.220|07:47, 3 October 2009}}
scrapmetal is also
seen side hightower.

== Screen shot of technical errors ==

I got a [http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/3291/2mkv002332703.jpg pic] which can be used for [[Ze little one#Trivia]] and [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)#Filming / editing / technical errors]]. But it still need another image (in which ze little one's alt mode is a Volvo excavator) to be made into a picture like [[:Image:Grimlockhead_ud2.jpg|this]]. (I haven't got DVD, so I can't finish the job. Thus I can only provide a picture.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:52, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:I'd like an image actually of Scrapper in robot mode jumping off the boat ahead of the others: so eager, yet so doomed. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 04:03, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== Size ==

It looks to me like the smallest Constructicon was Mixmaster. Is this an error?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 18:47, 17 November 2009 (EST)

== Not ze little one ==

Im pretty sure that this guy is bigger than Scrapper and Mixmaster. So calling him Ze little one would be an error.--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 17:26, 13 December 2009 (EST)
:It's the only designation we have for the character. Also, you don't have to be the smallest Constructicon to die. You just need to be the slowest. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:58, 13 December 2009 (EST)

==We have a name.==
[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/641]. [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 21:51, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:Well, what do you know? We actually have a name that is both Transformerish ''and'' descriptive! -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:53, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::That is so not fair! Why couldn't we get THAT Hasbro guy to answer our Constructicons Q&A question?! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::Hasbro appreciates the fans' enthusiasm and support of the Transformers brand. To that end, Hasbro now solicits questions on a bi-monthly basis from leading fan web sites. Hasbro looks forward to responding to your questions!
:::(or to put it another way, NO) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:02, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:::No clue, frankly I was surprised they answered it at all. I asked on a whim because we couldn't come up with anything better. I actually fully expected "We dunno! There is no name!" [[User:Onslaught Six|Onslaught Six]] 01:53, 24 December 2009 (EST)
:His name is very descriptive. It could serve as his complete known bio! But they could have been a little more definitive. "On our side, we like to call 'Ze Little One' Scrapmetal." Is that an official name or an official designation? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:01, 24 December 2009 (EST)

Talk:Devastator (ROTF)

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== Seven vehicles ==
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (ED

In what stores will Legends Devastator be available in the US? [[Special:Contributions/205.188.117.8|205.188.117.8]] 17:43, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

;Another interview
Micheal Bay confirmed that Devastator is combined from seven vehicles. And, seems each individual is able to transform (Oh...) just like the Legends class. ''Argh''.
http://www.michaelbay.com/newsblog/files/9f78f1359c3d0e8c32795a6033cceab2-551.html
:''In the final cut, much of that scene is dominated by CG-animated alien robots, including Devastator — ''the new villain made out of seven individual robots'' who hide in the form of construction equipment. But the flesh-and-blood actors also got to romp on the pyramids.''
--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:28, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::That article was written for ''USA Today'', it is not a quote from Bay, and as the film shows, Devy is made of more than seven vehicles, his right hand is separate from his arm, plus there's a blue and yellow dump truck that shows up above the pit he combines in. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 19:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==Blind packaged?==
Where has it been stated that the EZ Constructicons would be blind-packed in Japan? The other EZ guys are, but that seems to be a different assortment to the Constructicons, who were shown in US Legends-like packaging once at some show, and at least HLJ is selling them separately. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:They will be blind packed as it would be seriously stupid to sell them so you know exactly what you get when each case contains a case figure. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::In what sense is it "seriously stupid"? It's logical, and perhaps inevitable, given that the rest of the EZ Collection are blind-packed, but it's not a dumb question for Mazenoise to ask. Devastator's a combiner. Even non-collectors are going to want to catch them all in that instance. If they're blind-packed, that's going to be a nightmare. (I'm still figuring the number of packs you'd need to buy to get even a 50/50 chance of completing the set.) Of course, given the relative crappiness of some of the Legends Constructicons, if they're not blind packed then the distribution will shift in favour of pegwarmers over time, which would ''also'' be unfavourable for people trying to complete the set. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:11, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::I meant it would be stupid if they weren't blind packed as that way you would know what you get so you could easily pick the rare case figure. And these aren't part of the normal EZ collection but of a special Devastator set, each case contains 3.5 Devastators and a case figure.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:20, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah, got you, I misunderstood you. So we're on the same page then. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 10:35, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::So turns out their not blindpacked. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 08:06, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Everyone's a winner! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:19, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Voiced? ==

Unless I missed something else the second time I watched the movie, that is not Devastator speaking, it is Megatron announcing/shouting to him. So Devastator doesn't speak, just roars.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Welker often does... less verbose critters, where he just growls or makes animal sounds. There's a few he's even famous for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think he voised him in the game and the voise-box of the toy.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 08:25, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== Film-specific transformation? ==

Okay, I know the toys can only approximate the live-action design, but Devastator's combination doesn't seem to be at all consistent. To ''start'' with, the shots of the construction vehicles arriving in the canyon are off; Scrapper and Hightower are on Mixmaster's right and Overload's on his left, with Scavenger behind the other vehicles, and Rampage and Long Haul on a higher-level cliff edge. When the combination starts, however, Scrapper's on the left of Scavenger, Mixmaster is in front of the others and Overload seems to have completely disappeared. Maybe the big D ''is'' a six-Con combiner after all?

It gets worse when, from what I can tell, Rampage (who's actually on ground level along with Long Haul) apparently gets picked up by Hightower to become D's ''left hand''. What the hell forms the left leg, then? Did Overload switch jobs and colour scheme when nobody was looking? I'd seriously appreciate some help in a consensus on what happened. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 07:51, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::It all just got swallowed into a writhing mass of metal, and reemerged where it should have been all along, apparently.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:22, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, the set-up scene with the vehicles driving up was wrong, but set that aside. Overload does not, in any way, form part of Devastator! Rampage transforms wrong, he transforms like Scavenger, with his scoop breaking into three pieces. Devastator's left arm (which already has Hightower attached) slams down on top of Rampage to form... a longer arm. You also don't see Long Haul actually attach to Devastator, but he does begin his transformation sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:58, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
On the left of hightower you see zee little on once the transformation starts.

== Non-individual transformation ==

I've read the Battle bio, but I haven't read the Movie Universe Ultimate Guide. I'd like to know what is written about Devastator's entry in the book because I think "In the film, none of the components of Devastator are shown as individual Transformers. This would justify why the components of the Constructicon Devastator playset to have no individual humanoid modes" is still notable. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:08, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
:"Did you know? ... The individual intellects of the six Constructicons are largely lost during the combination process." [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html Roberto Orci was also asked about it] and said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." So the writers didn't commit either way, which means the work of "future writers" settles the matter. So far that means the battle bio and The Movie Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:22, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

::So it seems safe to add back only "In the film, none of Devastator's components are shown as individual Transformers. This would(might) justify why the components of his Supereme class toy to have no individual humanoid modes.", since the note doesn't mention any speculation whether Devastator is not a combiner or any suggestion which contradicts to the bio. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 08:39, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Wrecking balls? ==

Those are overhaul balls! The one had a hook on it. That's a major clue, because a hook on a wrecking ball would quickly become scrap.

They're not for demolition; they're to make sure the relatively light hook goes down smoothly when lowered.

Those where maybe hightowers and he also seems to be part dragon

== Two Rampages form Devastator? ==

That is a good catch if it is true. I didn't notice. Can it be confirmed that two Rampages formed Devastator in the film? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:59, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:And what is Overload's bullet? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:01, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
::Overload's bullet specifies that it's not always a part of Devastator in every medium. If the twin Rampage thing turns out to be true ''for the movie'', it needs to have the same qualification to it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:10, 24 July 2009 (EDT)
:Don't know how canonical it is, but one of Devastator's promotional art pieces (http://idigitalcitizen.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/1440x960-devastator-specs.jpg) definitely has two sets of treads in the left leg - one as the foot, one up in the knee, and comparing the size of the treads to the leg itself it'd need two Rampages to have that much mass. I haven't seen a good enough shot of his leg in any other media to confirm this. Should it be three, though? It definitely seemed like a third Rampage became the left hand. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:56, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
::That same piece of art labels the left leg as "Rampage component" (singular). I'm not sure who originally wrote that there were two Rampages or why, but I think it is because in the movie Transformation sequence Rampage forms part of the left arm along with Hightower. It is not shown where Devastator gets his left leg but presumably it is (also) Rampage. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:27, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:That bit for the knee doesn't look like the same kind of tread, though. It could be an unwrapped wheel, like with Scrapper.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 23:46, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
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Well, i studyed it and I found something. Lets look on it when Construcitons arrive to canyon. Lets take it from Scavengers view as the center.
- Mixmaster is in front of him. Thats right.
- Hightower in on left side, thats right too.
- Scrapper is on right side along with Overload, but farrer like Hightower. When he arrive he is behind Overload but then he is in front of overload.
- Overload is on right side behind Scrapper.
- Long Haul is there twice!!! Because he isnt only on higher ground, but ALSO near Simmons and Leo.
- Rampage is on high ground along with one Long Haul.

So now we got there 8 Constructicons in the pit!!! Now transformations:

- Scavenger becomes body.
- Mixmaster becomes head combined with Scavenger (red).
- Hightower becomes left arm, but attachs "something" as its fist.
- Scrapper becomes "probably" right arm.
- Overload dissappears.
- Long Haul becames very quickly right leg.
- Rampage becomes quickly left leg.

So now there are only 2 Constructicons!!! What happened to Overload and second Long Haul? And also when he arrives he is also behind Overload AND on left side from Mixmaster. So there are 9 Constructicons. Now i will say my theory.

- Scavenger and Mixmaster are obvious.
- Hightower attach second Scrapper as his fist.
- First Scrapper becomes a right fist when Overload attach him.
- Overload became right arm.
- One Long Haul jump from the cliff and form right leg.
- Rampage also jump from the cliff and make left leg.

This explain some things, but still I dont know what exactly happened to second Long Haul near Twins and Simmons (and Leo)... hmmm. And if you really want to know that, why you simply dont send Email to Paramount, Hasbro or that other company r directly to Michael Bay how it really is with Devastator. Like his "balls", they should be from Hightower, but how something from his arm could be in his pelvis? [[User:V.Metalic|V.Metalic]] 20:10, 19 September 2009 (EDT)

== Supreme Class Constructicon Devastator==
The second Supreme Class Devastator is impossible to find information about online. Does anyone know if this is a toy that is going to be released, or has it already been out? It looks like it is made up of the Legends Class figures, so does one have to buy all of the Legend Class vehicles to make Devastator? [[User:Fergalicious|Fergalicious]] 01:53, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:Um, what second Supreme Class Devastator?[[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:17, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::I know what Fergalicious means. It's not a Supreme Class, it's just made of the Legends Constructicons. The size is really closer a Deluxe, if I'm right. [[User:Fallen13|Fallen13]] 20:02, 5 September 2009 (EDT)
::: Oh, right, the Legends ones. Yeah, it's out in Japan as a selection of EZ Collection Constructicons which you can collect and combine, but Hasbro's suggested that it'll bring them to the US (at the very least) as a store exclusive next year, containing all 7 Constructicons. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:49, 7 September 2009 (EDT)

==Page protection==

Is this page still meant to be protected? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 05:08, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

==Required components==

Couldn't it be possible that some of Devastator's components aren't ''required'' for combination, they're just extra parts that augment him internally to make him extra powerful. Also, the fact that there are a bunch of duplicates of his components would make it possible that there are lots of Devastators, wouldn't it. Correct me if I'm wrong. {{unsigned|70.100.242.133|12:33, November 6, 2009 (EST)}}
:You are basically right. It is possible. See [http://unicron-events-interviews.blogspot.com/2009/10/hasbro-q-10212009.html Hasbro's answer] to the question (#2). "...there are a race of Transformers called Combiners that are not limited to one form or method of combining. Needless to say, there are a lot of things that can happen within this and other races of Transformers." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 6 November 2009 (EST)

==Legends Class Poseablity==
"The only real drawback he has is that he almost has no articulation."
To be fair, he has about as much articulation as the G1 Devastator, and he holds together better. His arms swing out, he bends at the elbows. His hands open and close, his head moves and he has some wiggle in his legs.

== Talky Toy Tips ==

Didn't know about the clip-the-jaws-open trick before reading this. I'm not sure if I'll find it visually pleasing enough to utilize, but it's interesting to find out.

As for gabby Mixmaster, yeah, if you move him in any way in vehicle mode (or bump the surface on which he's sitting, or sometimes just look at him funny), his sound gimmick will go off. For some reason, however, mine seems a lot less talky in Devastator-head mode. Once you click the rear of the vehicle into place underneath it, switching the sound gimmick to robot mode, it isn't nearly as sensitive, and it's even less so once Mixmaster is plugged into place as part of Devastator.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:58, 25 December 2009 (EST)