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Talk:The Transformers: The Movie

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66.82.162.10: /* Gears Appears! */ deleted, for the sake of the prev post.

==Another variation==
Hmm, that's odd. The version of the DVD I have has the scrolling text, the "Optimus Prime will return" voiceover, AND the part where Spike lets an "oh shit" slip.

==Shockwave==
Did he die or what? I remember hearing that the original script EXPLICITLY says that he died when Unicron crushed the building he was in, but the actual finished movie is considerably more vague about this... [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
:According to the TFTM script:

ANGLE ON CYBERTRON

Unicron enters shot and grasps at Cybertron with a hideous claw...

ANGLE ON A TOWER ON CYBERTRON

Shockwave talks into a communications device, as alarms sound and troopers run everywhere.

SHOCKWAVE:
Decepticons...we're under attack...Scramble -

Then his voice is cut off as...

SHOCKWAVE'S POV - OUT HIS WINDOW

Unicron's hand reaches towards the window, squeezes, and the walls crash in.

SPACE - UNICRON AND CYBERTRON

Unicron tears off the tower and crushes it as...

A FLEET OF DECEPTICON SHIPS

streak out of Cybertron and begin firing on the enormous planet.

Here, we see the true scale of Unicron. The fighters are the size of bees as they attack.

-- While Shockwave's character model sometimes appeared in the third season (once in grey, once in Constructicon Green), I'm not sure that a properly-colored Shockwave ever showed up post-movie - not that that would necessarily mean anything in light of Evil Zombie Brawn And Huffer from Carnage In C Minor. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:47, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

*That's pretty much what I figured. Shockwave kindasorta dies, and doesn't show up properly ever again, so you could argue that he's dead. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

He doesn't even kindasorta die in the final cut of the movie. He just has that one shot then we never see him again. No tower-crushy, no nothing. So it can really be argued either way. [[User:M Sipher|M "I'd Hesitate To Make A Call Either WAy" Sipher]]

Could those season 3 episodes Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3 and Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4 animation errors be his clones?.

==German Dub==

Does anyone know who spoke all the roles in the german dubbing? i can't find that info anywhere on the net, and neither on the german dvd :(

:You should not look for the cast of the dvd version because, first the dub is tital crap, second the voiceactors are unknown, there are no information which studio did the dub nor who directed the dub. You can find the dublist here: http://215072.homepagemodules.de/t511208f11776731-Transformers-Kampf-um-Cybertron.html

==The?==
Shouldn't this article be called "The Transformers: The Movie"? That is the film's full title, isn't it? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

==Here's a question.==

Do we really need the (1986) at the end of this? It's not like "Transformers: The Movie" redirects to a disambiguation page with this and the '07 movie, or that the '07 movie is titled something different. It just seems...redundant, don't you think? There's only 'one' TFTM, and this is it. That, and I highly doubt there's gonna be another "Transformers: The Movie" within the next five or even ten years--when this Wiki would, realistically, still be operating. So yeah. Shouldn't we can that?
:[[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)]] exists. As will "The Transformers: The Animated Movie (comic)" for the current adaptation when someone gets around to it. We do need to have a disambiguation system for them though. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::I agree with the above, but am inclined to say this article still doesn't need a paranthetical in its title, it being far more prominant than the other Transformers: The Movies. Of course, the last time I moved an article that has disambiguation to the non-parenthetical location I got a bunch of people saying "WTF?" even though that's what [[Help:Disambiguation]] has said to do since I wrote it back at the dawn of time. (See "Talk:Constructicon".) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::Walky's point: Then I don't really see the relevance of the year. On top of that, all of those have different titles; there's no real conflict. It's kinda the same principle as [[Kremzeek]] and [[Kremzeek!]]. Just note that the reader may be looking for whatever at the top. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 09:46, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Worth Noting...somewhere ==

I found my old VHS version of the movie, and it refers to the Decepticons reformatted by Unicron as the "Unicrons." Just wanted to point that out. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 18:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Though officially publishedd, the Aaustralian character bios are generally ignored because-- Bwuh?
:Hasbro/Dreamworks recently put out some bios of the movie characters-- describing half the cast in terms of their cartoon versions, including events that did not occur in the movie. At some point you have to say "no, there's no point in trying to integrate that."
:I think poorly-conceived DVD extras (or VHS extras as the case may be) since they really don't stand on their own but only reflect the producer's (often limited) understanding of the source material are one of those ignored-unless-useful things. (It's also why we don't cover the Dinobots seldom-seen combiner mode. *shudder*) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::The Dinobots'... what? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:::I've heard of that combiner, my friend said it had no head. Anyways, I got that info off the synopsis from the back of the VHS Case. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Yeah, this has nothing to do with "Australian character bios" Deirk. The "Unicrons" thing comes from the back of the Rhino VHS case. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:59, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I believe it was an Australian video release which tried to use its weight to assert that yes, Skywarp is definitely Cyclonus. Or maybe Bombshell. I don't remember which. But whichever way, it was totally inappropriate. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::No, seriously... Dinobots'... what?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I don't recall which country, or whether it was TF:TM or the cartoon, but some non-US DVD release included a comic book in which the Dinobots combined. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Metrodome's Season 3 DVD's, wasn't it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::You got to be kidding. That's certainly worth a mention, er, somewhere. On the Dinobots page. Trivia tab. With a scan.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But ti was the most vapid, stupidest, mis-concieved-idea-of-cool addition to the canon ever! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:03, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Ugh, seriously. Kindly note that for all I did with Metrodome, I had ''nothing'' to do with that!! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Did the story ever end? I thought it was a deliberate cliffhanger- which really reinforces how the entire concept was "wouldn't it be cool if?" and there was no story to tell. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Yeah, it was a two-parter. Part 1 was in Season 2, Part 2, then part 2 was in Season 3/4. Basically, everyone runs like crap from "The Beast," and then Prime tricks it into falling off a cliff. Sigh. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

What is it exactly? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not "Matrix Forever". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::I am guessing some translation of "The Transformers: The Movie." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Transliteration, actually. トランスフォーマーザ・ムービー, which comes out to "Toransufōmā za Mūbī". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 19:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Widescreen ==

Derik: No, the screen is definitely cut off the top for the "widescreen." Look at the scene where you see through Perceptor's ''micro''-scope at the approaching Decepticons. The bars at the top of his vision display the difference perfectly. You can count the bars to see the difference between them. Oddly enough, your picture certainly looks stretched... --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 03:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

== Caption Quotes ==

The pic of Megatron with a lightsaber has a Jedi quote instead of a New Hope quote. Do we care? [[User:JW|JW]] 22:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:I care! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:"An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age". That's from ''A New Hope''. Good enough? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
[sigh] Now the pic of the Junkions dancing has a Jedi quote instead of a New Hope quote . . . [[User:JW|JW]] 13:39, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

== Poster Caption ==

Hm,, I'm thinking about changing the caption on the poster at the top to "If your favorite Transformers character isn't on this poster, it's best to start grieving now." The current caption is just a bit misleading, since none of the characters on the poster died (as they were all brand new toys (except for [[Arcee (G1)|the ones who didn't get toys]])). [[User:JW|JW]] 01:31, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:That's not quite true. Unicron died. And so did Ultra Magnus, but he got better. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 01:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'm not sure how the suggested new caption is any less misleading. My favorite Transformers characters are Jazz and Bumblebee! Also, Hound. Probably Nightbeat. I think I'm okay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:14, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Wanted: A caption for that poster pic that both A) points out that all the characters on the poster are brand new and never-been-seen-before (since I think that's an important bit of info), and also B) preserves the current caption's comment on how "all your favorite characters" die. Suggestions? [[User:JW|JW]] 03:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

"Who the hell are those guys and where's Prime?" Or stick with the current, honestly. - Some Guy 22 March 2008

What about a caption pointing out that the only major characters on the poster are Galvatron and Unicron? It shows Ultra Magnus in the spotlight, and while he kicked some aft at the Battle of Autobot City, he was not the hero. The heroes were Optimus and Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime. Rodimus Prime, whom we could call, "Sir Not-Appearing-On-This-Poster." So the poster is a bit misleading, and as good pedants we should point that out somewhere. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 12:01, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

==Colon?==
Why is there a colon in the page title? There's no colon in the movie title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:Because "The Movie" is a subtitle. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

== Blitzwing animation error ==

In the battle for Autobot City, when Prime drives up behind the Decepticons, Blitzwing turns his head and its color changes to purple for a split second. However, when he turns it back its tan again. Just thought we should add this under animation errors.-[[User:Proconix|Proconix]] 20:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Proconix

== more animation errors ==

Watched the Movie again today and this is what I found. In the scene where Blaster ejects his tapes, He first ejects what looks like Eject. He stays blue up until he gets to the edge of the screen. He then turns black like Rewind. Then Blaster ejects a another blue cassette, which after about a second, turns black. This one gets through half his transformation colored black, then turns blue for a split second then turns black again. And later when the cassettes are fighting each other, Eject runs in from the left and jumps over Perceptor. And then he runs in from the left ''again'' to shoot Ravage. Im gonna go ahead and add these.-[[User:Proconix|Proconix]] 17:43, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Proconix

== Scourge ==

Not to chat or anything, but does anyone know why Scourge pops his head up when he asks galvatron if he wants him to gut ultra magnus? Just thought that was wierd.-[[User:Proconix|Proconix]] 22:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)Proconix

== Cyclonus ==

<nowiki>When the Decepticons get reformatted, both Skywarp, and what might be Bombshell, become Cyclonus. Unicron refers to them as 'Cyclonus and his Armada'. And when they all fly to the ship, Galvatron goes first, followed by Scourge, two Sweeps and two Cyclonus'. There a reason for this? </nowiki> [[User:Thyunda|Thyunda]] 13:12, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Does [[Cyclonus's Armada|this]] answer your question? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Intro quote==
I'm admittedly in kind of an orgasmic endorphin rush over this, but I'd love to use a chunk of Orson Welles' description of his own role as an intro quote: "The Japanese have funded a full-length animated cartoon about the doings of these toys, which is all bad outer-space stuff. I play a planet. I menace somebody called Something-or-other. Then I'm destroyed. My plan to destroy Whoever-it-is is thwarted and I tear myself apart on the screen." If there's a better summary of TF:TM's plot, I've yet to hear it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:56, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 17:43, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

== Cast list - woefully incomplete ==

Shouldn't we have a complete list of characters on here, rather than the headline billings alone? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:38, 7 August 2009 (EDT)
:Oh yea! How did that happen for so long? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 01:17, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

==Japanese TFTM==
Someone has uploaded the entire thing, in fifteen parts, to youtube.

:[http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%E3%83%88%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B6%E3%83%A0%E3%83%BC%E3%83%93&search_type=&aq=f TFTM In Japanese]

If anyone who has time to kill or knows the language (preferably both!) wants to go through it to document any significant changes from the US version that we don't already have, that'd be great. I already noticed, watching the first part, that the Japanese version uses the "Star Wars" text-scroll of the UK version, though the narrator doesn't actually seem to be reading a translation of the text {{m-}} I caught him voicing a reference to Unicron the text doesn't have. And, skipping ahead, Grimlock appears to refer to his "me Grimlock kick butt" moment as his "Kick Attack". Erm.

There's also something I'd sort of like confirmed... I've heard a rumor that the Japanese-dubbed Junkions, instead of talking in TV quotes, all have Chinese accents. But I have no idea if it's true.

Adding a screenshot with someone's function and name in kanji/kana from the movie would also be neat, I think. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:19, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:Immediately noticed they added speech to the Lithone part - in the original version, the Lithonians don't speak at all before the "Look, it's Unicron!" line. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:31, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::I have to wonder if a list of every slight dialogue alteration would really be a good idea. I've owned the thing on VHS for a while and, well, there are a LOT of dialogue changes. And I don't mean anything important, like some added in line revealing Unicron is actually Motormaster's grandfather or whatever. I mean itty bitty changes, like the aforementioned "Kick attack" from Grimlock, Megatron specifically ordering the Insecticons to breach Autobot City's defenses and so on. A list of every slight dialogue change would be...massive (especially since the dub ''added'' so much dialogue during scenes that were previously silent). We currently have a handful of examples in the "Japanese release" section of the article that I think suffice. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 11:17, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Well, bear in mind that my suggestion was ''document any '''significant''' changes''. Random yattering is one thing, yeah, but I was curious as to whether there were any major changes, such as characters talking when they didn't originally have ''any'' dialogue at all... like, the Lithones talking in the opening qualifies to me, because I think it may be the only time the Lithone scientist speaks in fiction. (Which in turn makes me wonder if he's given an official title in the Japanese credits for the film; it'd qualify him for an article.)
:::I do feel that bringing up the scrolling text is noteworthy, since we note it up in the other countries' entries. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:25, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

== Voice credits ==

I filled in the voice credits in the "featured characters" chart from the film credits. I think some of them, like Gears and Brawn have voice credits, but no actual lines. There may also be some characters that have uncredited speaking roles (I don't know for sure). Just an FYI if anyone wants to adjust the chart. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:59, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
:I think the inaccurate cast listing is simply a case of whoever animated the credits confusing characters. Gears has a VA but doesn't speak, however, Scavenger (also voiced by Don Messick) clearly speaks on Junkion when he's attacking Danielle with Scrapper. Gears briefly appears in the movie on Moon Base 1, but has no speaking lines. I also wonder if this is why Prowl is credited (Bell also voiced Swopp who speaks on Quintessa), however, I believe Prowl had some lines in the original script that may have been recorded but not animated.

== Jettison some weight ==

Why is this listed as confusing? Aside from the (common) misuse of weight for mass I see nothing weird here. The more mass there was on board Astrotrain, the more fuel that would be needed to push him to Cybertron. Therefor, dumping extra mass makes sense. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:47, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:I agree. Astrotrain was just using common speech. People don't often say things like "jettison some mass". If Astrotrain says he needs to lighten up, it stands to reason it is because he is still accelerating and too much weight would make it more difficult to accelerate. He is still accelerating because when they threw the bodies overboard, they quickly fell back. If they had already reached top speed, they would just float along side Astrotrain. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:23, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
::Plus, how close is Cybertron to Earth? If the Decepts didn't want to settle down for a multi-year trip, Astrotrain must have been going FTL, at which point all bets about moving without burning fuel are off. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:26, 17 September 2009 (EDT)
:::But maneuvering to land later would be made at sublight, normal inertial conditions. Less mass would be useful then. Basically, less mass is always better for movement. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 04:23, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:::How much fuel does it take to get from Cybertron to Earth, I wonder. The whole battle of Autobot city seems to take place over one night, and Optimus' shuttle makes it from Cybertron to Earth in that time, implying that both it and the hijacked Autobot shuttle were going faster than light speed. The whole reason the hijacked shuttle was going to Earth in the first place was to pick up more energy, ergo it must take much less than one shipload of energy to get a shuttle at FTL speeds from Cybertron to Earth and back. They either have really efficient FTL drives, or really efficient energy storage. Or both.
:::Of course we've seen that [[Microbots|one energon cube is enough to get a full-sized Transformer drunk off his can]], so perhaps it's the latter. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:00, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

:::There were several scenes in "Apollo 13" where the stranded astronauts in the capsule and their Houston support crew had to do all those calculations about the amount of weight (or mass, whatever) they could have in the capsule versus the amount of fuel they could burn in order to get home alive. Common sense understanding actually wins in this case, I think. Also, all bets are off as to how far Cybertron is from Earth in TFTM, considering "The Ultimate Doom". --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 07:59, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::In Apollo 13, they did mass calculations to: 1) be able to escape Moon's gravity, 2) project a course to slingshot around the moon, 3) make any necessary course corrections. ''All'' of those are aspects of acceleration. In a constant velocity situation, jettisoning mass does not make you go any faster, as momentum is divided proportionally with mass. -[[User:Noviere|Noviere]] 11:16, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::It wasn't a constant velocity situation. If it were, when Starscream dropped Megatron out the door, Megatron would just float alongside. They were accelerating and more mass means more force needed to accelerate. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:21, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::Which was already accounted for in the page, which essentially says "here are some speculations, but we don't really know what the hell was going on here". Nothing wrong with that. I'm just rebutting Thylacine's statement above. -[[User:Noviere|Noviere]] 11:28, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::You added that they were going faster than light as a fact, but do we know that? I've never thought Transformers or even their dedicated starships could go FTL, hence the need for a space bridge. Cybertron moves around. Where was it in the Movie? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:58, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Well, of COURSE they're going faster than light. Otherwise Quintessa and Junkion and Cybertron would all be in Earth's solar system. Just because you have FTL ships doesn't mean that instantaneous transportation isn't useful. I mean, we had horses, but cars are better even they they both provide transportation over land.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:23, 18 September 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::For some reason I never thought about that before. It never looks like they are doing anything special to break the light barrier. I'm thinking [[scale]] is just as loose in the astronomical sense as it is in the Transformer sense. ;) So what happens if you throw a Transformer out the door of a ship traveling faster than light? Apparently nothing much. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:58, 18 September 2009 (EDT)

==Cast Layout==

The cast lay out has the Insecticons and Seekers listed next to their Unicronian counterpart. This is a major problem considering it lists Skywarp as Cyclonus and Bombshell as the Armada. Now, ignoring the fact that in all honesty the Skywarp is Cyclonus argument is based solely on people preferring it that way, surely the ambiguity should be recognised, and they should be listed as separate characters, but add in a note or something (especially since it gives him a VA when he didn't have any confirmed lines). Also, I think listing the Heralds next to their formers is very iffy when either the originals didn't speak in the movie or the new forms didn't speak. Now, I'd just go ahead and change it but I want to know what the official stance is here, cause it seems like an injection of fanon into a fairly major article. [[User:Eire]] 13.49 Jan 13 2010
:An anon user did that. He also went through a lot of trouble to put their order of appearance number in there, even though it is set to "nonumbering=true". Both changes could be reverted. Sorry anon guy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)

==Snarl==
On the "four Dinobots" paragraph, it specifically mentions Swoop as the absent Dinobot whenever Snarl appears. However, Swoop is clearly the far-left Dinobot standing in the Quintesson ship window scene (the screen cap is actually on the page next to this paragraph). Are we sure it isn't Sludge thats missing, or maybe Sludge one time and Swoop another time?
:At the scene in Autobot City where Snarl appears, the other Dinobots present are the original trio, Grimlock, Slag, and Sludge. When Snarl next appears, Swoop is present, and you are correct, it seems to be Sludge who isn't in that shot (however, he is in the one immediately following). I believe it should be rewritten to something akin to "When he ''does'' appear, another Dinobot is missing. Hmm." Either way, it's somewhat interesting that all the Dinobots are never on screen at the same time. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:05, 10 April 2010 (EDT)

== Big find! Jim Sorenson has made the original Ron Friedman script available ==

At http://boltax.blogspot.com

I started this thread for discussion at tfw2005 as well: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/347571-early-ron-friedman-draft-tftm-available-download.html

There is a LOT of material that could enrich this article, particularly in the "Notes" section. Not to mention Friedman's own article, since we now have a better idea of what he contributed.

It's well worth a read. Certainly wasn't suitable to be the finished film, due to extreme length, some super-clunky dialogue, and the fact that the plot just kind of falls apart toward the end.

The imagery is really something though, a lot of ideas that never made it into any future Transformers project. The battle scenes are also noticeably more graphic. Probably the biggest (and oddest) change is no Matrix, and the concept substituted is the "Life Spark" of Optimus himself. The Life Sparks of other Decepticons and Megatron also play a role (you can likely guess how). {{unsigned|97.77.78.14}}
:[[Life Spark|We]] [[Anibot|are]] [[Roboto-zoo|aware]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:37, 11 December 2010 (EST)

::It does beg the question of how the wiki is going to handle some of this information - especially some of the stuff about earlier designs or concepts for characters (all the stuff about the Junkions VERY specifically being a B-movie biker gang, down to Wreck-Gar having a "furry vest" and one of the Junkions having a "Nazi" helmet and etc. for instance). Is it rolled into the Movie page? Is it rolled into the individual character articles? both? Neither?! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:48, 13 December 2010 (EST)

:::Some stuff can definitely go into character articles, but I'd also suggest going the whole hog and creating a page for the draft itself, like we did for the Toy Fair catalogue, as a sub-page of the movie article, and talk about all the differences there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)

::::That'd make the best sense, yeah. Especially if the other early draft script eventually sees the light of day (there were two, right? The one Jim posted and the one that went for two grand?) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:37, 13 December 2010 (EST)

:::::I believe there was even a third on top of that. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:52, 13 December 2010 (EST)

::::::Yeah, there was a "final draft." I imagine it's probably close to what Monzo posted below. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:43, 13 December 2010 (EST)

:There's [http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/transformers.html this version], which has never really been written up here aside from a few tidbits. Whatever draft iteration it is, it's closest to the version used for the Marvel adaption, since a few scenes from it appear there. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:14, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::By all appearances, I've always believed that was the "shooting script", as they say, the script that the actors actually worked from during recording, and that any changes to it happened subsequent to that. I may be completely wrong, of course. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:20, 13 December 2010 (EST)

== Who gets tossed into space? ==

This article could use a list of precisely which six characters are tosssed out of Astrotrain. It's Megatron, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Bombshell, Shrapnel, and Kickback, yah? [[User:JW|JW]] 17:07, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:As far as I can tell, yeah. I always wondered who was saying "Brothers, don't," though. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:15, 28 February 2011 (EST)

== Doctor Who reference? ==

According to Wikipedia's article on [[Wikipedia:Jon Pertwee|Jon Pertwee]]'s [[Wikipedia:The Third Doctor|Third Doctor]], ''TF:TM'' uses the "revers the polarity" line. Looking back at the movie, Kup's line "Oh, yeah, we inverted polarities" presented itself to me as that reference. Now Wikipedia, as I understand it, is stupid when it comes to articles about Transformers that were not influenced by TFWiki. Is this a valid "Real-World Reference" (I've seen other pages here that say "This ''might'' be a reference to...") or just a coincidence that some presumptuous Whovian-Transfan decided to put on Wikipedia just because they wouldn't remove it?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 12:59 AM, 15 April 2011 A.D.
:I have a really, REALLY hard time buying the notion that Doctor Who invented that little bit of common sci-fi technobabble, and an even harder time buying the notion that this dim similarity is a direct reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:22, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
::I think wikipedia got it mixed up with "[[The Rebirth]]", where ''Doctor Who'' fan [[David Wise]] got the line in. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:45, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I figured Wikipedia was wrong (I'll fix the page there). Just thought I'd bring it up! Also, just to fill you in, M Sipher, ''Doctor Who'' is definitely the origin of at least the popular use of "reverse the polarity of the nuetron flow", if not the original use as technobabble. Terrance Dicks wrote it in an episode script in WAAAAY back in the early '70s.
:::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] <strike>3:25 AM</strike> An ungodly hour of the night, 15 April 2011 A.D.
::::I'd have expected them to use wording closer to the original if they were referencing Who! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:17, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

==Image category?==
I propose putting all screenshots from ''The Transformers: The Movie'' into their own image category because of the film's significance. Also, we have a bunch of toyline-specific image categories, and expanding that practice to fictional works only makes sense to me. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:06, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe we could divide the original series by season (and movie). "Category: Generation 1 Season 1 screen captures", "Category: Generation 1 Season 2 screen captures", "Category: Generation 1 Movie screen captures", "Category: Generation 1 Season 3 screen captures" and "Category: Generation 1 Season 4 screen captures". The same thing could be done for Beast Wars, Animated and (eventually) Prime. UT shows were only 1 season each, so they wouldn't need it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:24, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::I support doing it for the movie. Not sure about by season... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:07, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I second Abates' thoughts. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:12, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::I wouldn't be opposed to dividing screencaps up by season, since they're kind of a bear to navigate right now. Or, heck, going even further and dividing everything by season and then by episode, though with how long some episode titles can be, especially Japanese ones, I'm not sure how feasible that would be. Though, it would allow Armada/Energon/Cybertron screencaps to be broken up more easily...--[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:59, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::I would kinda like there to be categories by episode, so then we could do like artist pages and have a link to the category somewhere on the episode page, but it would create a ''massive'' number of categories... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:28, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

==Buildings in Unicron's mouth: an error?==

The flickering images of post apocalyptic buildings in Unicron's mouth is certainly neat, but is it really an "animation error"? I'd think including blinking images of ruined cities would have been done on purpose since Unicron destroys planets and all that. Citing something that elaborate as an "error" doesn't seem right. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:59, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:No, I don't think it is an animation error. It is a deliberate special effect. It sounds like it isn't even noticeable at normal speed. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:20, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:The Transformers: The Movie promo

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66.82.162.10:

Would it be all right if I added a picture of Snarl from the promo? (Just asking ahead of time.) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:14, 4 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally think it would be appropriate, especially since there's a blurb about how Snarl is featured aboard the Autobot shuttle while Kup was telling an old war story. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 19:26, 4 May 2010 (EDT)
::A lot of things are mentioned in that section, but we can't have pictures of them all. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 19:08, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
==Japanese DVD?==
[[Image:Pioneer_2010_DVD_Box.jpg|right|75px]]
The Japanese Transformers 2010 DVD case advertises a "Transformers: The Movie Preview" (トランスフォーマー　ザ・ムービー予告) as a bonus feature.
Does anyone have this DVD that can clarify if it's indeed this promo or just some other movie trailer? [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 04:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

== Youtube? ==

Has the promo surfaced on Youtube? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.75|66.82.9.75]] 19:07, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

Can someone reply to this guy? 'Cause there's no answer. --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 18:55, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

User talk:Hooper X

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What exactly is upsetting you, again? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
* The ridiculous arbitrariness of your naming schema, most specifically your need to make a very simple system unnecessarily complex. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 07:12, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
**You mean like moving stuff from "(UT)" to "(Unicron Trilogy)", of which... you seem to agree with (I don't particularly care for the "(Armada)" or "(Unicron Trilogy)" deal). Or "(cartoon)" to "(television series)" which is hardly complicated, nor does it particularly harm anybody (removes the fuzzy line between "animated series" and "comic"). It also streamlines it with the category and the constant references to "television series". Or, uh, what? [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:31, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
***I've actually kind of gone over to the other camp that, as long as there's a unified acronym for each era, the acronyms are considerably easier to use. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 07:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
****That doesn't really help the peope who don't know what the acronyms stand for ([[Dirge (Timelines)|Dirge (T)]]? UT? C'mon.) or the acronym is already taken (Hey, Bowel Machines.). [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 07:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
*****That's why we put the Unified Abbreviation System in the [[Help:Style guide|style guide]]. Duh. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You are unnecessarily awesome. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

==EW Sky Lynx==
Hoop, can you take a pic of this against a couple sheets of white paper? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:12, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
*When I get one, sure! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:27, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, I thought you had this. You'd said they were out, and were going on about Lynx... gave me the impression you'd picked him up. Alrighty. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:39, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:::No - he's just that awesome. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==The caption==
Hi, just saw the new caption for '''[[Prowl (G1)|P.]]''''s new caption for Holomatter avatar, that's really awesome! Ha ha ha. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 15:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

== Ban? ==

Is this guy blockable already? He is destructively foul and evil and also did alot of crimes.

*He attacked an American Airbase and destroyed a C-130
*He attacks users
*He is evil and hates everyone like Bonecrusher
*He attacked Angela
*He is foul
*He messed with Optimus the F22s Userpage
*He humped his mom alot
*He and Detour united to ban various users
*He never got blocked once
*He vandalized other Wikis once

([[User:68.190.228.12|68.190.228.12]] 23:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC))

==Minis==
Oh '''''hell''''' yes. If you can snatch one of each, that'd be awesome. ...The Bootleg Mini-Cons, I mean. I can do without the Nitro cologne. 
:(Now, you too can smell like a wrestling mat!) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==?==
if you hate TF so much, ''why the heck'' are you even here?!?!? [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 17:37, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:Shits and giggles? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh. Kids....[[User:GWolfV2]]

===SO I DON'T FORGET===
potential questions for hasbro in the future:
* <s>(for the entire TF team) The TF brand has presented hundreds, if not thousands of weird and wonderful characters over the last 25 years. Who are, respectively, your most and least favorite characters from TF history? (C'mon, be honest. We'll understand if you secretly hate Grapple.)</s>
* Over the years, the TF brand has featured many fun and memorable play features, from rub signs to triple changers to Action Masters. For the entire TF team: What are your favorite play gimmicks, aside from transformation itself?
* <s>We know that due to changes in toy safety laws, we're never getting a realistic hand-gun Megatron ever again. We've heard that the "spark-shooting" action found on some G1 toys is a similar situation. Can you confirm that the spark-shooting feature is no longer a possibility? Are there any other "classic" gimmicks we're unlikely to see in the future because of legal/safety concerns? </s>
* The unreleased Robot Heroes "Dessaras" figure - why was that name chosen? Did "Deathsaurus" fail to clear legal or were there other concerns (retailers/parents/children not wanting to buy a toy with the word "Death" in its name, "Deathsaurus" being an admittedly goofy moniker, etc.)
* In regards to store exclusives, how much input does the retail partner have into the finished product? Is it "give us X figures at price point Y" or is it more hands-on than that - "give us an Autobot car and a Decepticon jet, and the Autobot should be in such-and-such a color scheme..."
* <s>At one point near the end of the Alternators sub-line, a major retailer's computer system listed several toys that never saw the light of day - Megatron as a Cadillac, as well as repaints of the Scion and Mustang molds. Who were the Scion and Mustang intended to be, if they even got to that stage of development?</s> (No.)
* <s>(for the entire TF team) Fun/silly question: If you could make a Transformer toy of anything in the world that hasn't ALREADY been a Transformers toy, what would it be? You can be as specific (1974 AMC Javelin, P-38 Lightning, Cobra HISS) or as general (school bus, tractor, port-a-potty) as you wish.</s> (You know, whatever.)
* <s>Based on past releases, it seems to be possible to repair older molds to restore detail lost with repeated use. Specifically, the G1 Jazz mold appears to have had its face detail corrected between the 2003 U.S. reissue and the 2004 release of the mold as Ricochet. Are there limits to how much damage can be repaired, or is it just a matter of whether it's economically feasible to repair a mold?</s> (Yes.)
** <s>Recent releases of the Classics Starscream mold seem to be showing some degree of mold wear and tear from use. Are there any plans to repair or re-cut the mold to restore its clarity? </s> (Maybe.)
* Regarding the larger, transformable, Titanium Series figures: Is it possible to manufacture these figures using plastic instead of die-cast, or would using plastic potentially limit the durability, integrity, or stability of the finished product?
* <s>Can you guys please ask around over at Tomy and find out who's writing the story materials for the Alternity line? There are a bunch of great callouts to U.S. fiction going on over there, and we'd like to give credit where credit is due.</s> NEVER MIND.
* During the "Unicron Battles" era of the Armada toy-line, packaged samples of redecoed versions of the Adventure, Space, and Street Speed Mini-Con teams appeared on various auction sites. Why were these items never released commercially?
* <s>It's understood that Hasbro now owns the intellectual property related to the Tonka GoBots - but exactly ''how much'' does Hasbro own? Could we see a DVD release of "Challenge of the GoBots"? Is it possible that the GoBots stories could one day be retroactively integrated into TF continuity, much as M.A.S.K. was retroactively inserted into GIJoe's via the Matt Trakker figure?</s> (Not really.)
* <s>Is there an industry term for the various catalogs, flyers, DVDs, comics and other materials sometimes packaged in with Transformers figures? (All the stuff that isn't the instruction sheet, effectively.)</s> (Not really, apparently!)
* <s> It's great to see obscure characters from the early Transformers media get official identities, like Acid Storm. Are there official identities for the other "[[Rainmakers]]" seen alongside him in the cartoon episode "Divide and Conquer"? (Some fans claim that [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] is the yellow one, but the blue guy definitely has no name.)</s> (No.)
* <s>At various points, licensees like Marvel Comics and some of the Japanese-market publication have held "Create a Transformer" contests. Does Hasbro/Tomy own the rights to characters generated in such contests, and if so, could we ever see, say, Sunbender or Star Upper again?</s> (Maybe.)
* <s>As far back as the original 1984 toyline, we've seen Transformer characters referred to as "brothers," as well as relationships like "cousins" and even a "great-aunt Arcee." Can you explain how robots can have "brothers," much less "cousins"?</s> (Later.)
* <s>Can you give us any information on the production house that's doing the Transformers: Cyber Missions webisodes? Who are they? Where do they come from? What do they want to do with their lives?</s>
* <s>So Megatron has already been inducted into the Transformers Hall of Fame. Does that mean that Galvatron is already in the Hall of Fame too, or would he have to be voted in by fans?</s> (No.)
* The instruction art for multiple recent toys depict head toolings that are presumably intended for a later release of the mold (i.e., War for Cybertron Bumblebee's instruction art is drawn with the head of the forthcoming Cliffjumper figure). Is there a particular reason for this? A reward or sneak peek for eagle-eyed fans? Is it so you can readily reuse the instruction art later, or what?
* It's really cool how current Generations/Reveal the Shield product is being designed with future retools in mind - the alternate heads and gear go a long way towards creating the image of a completely new character. Is there any chance you can tell us what retool you have in mind for Reveal the Shield Jazz? ''it's worth a shot - that's how we found out about Generations Blurr...''
* The instruction art for multiple recent toys depict head toolings that are presumably intended for a later release of the mold. Notably, Generations Thunderwing's art has a new head and chest that seem to be inspired by the Japanese Generation One character "Black Shadow." Is this actually the case? If so, will he still have the original figure's characterization of a gangster/mafioso type? (Because if so, that is SO AWESOME.)
* There is a quasi-urban rumor floating around the fandom that the 2006 "Classics" Megatron figure cannot be re-released in the United States due to changes in various safety regulations. Can you confirm or deny this?
* PROBABLY SOMETHING TO ASK AT BOTCON OR SOMEWHERE LESS FORMAL: In the past, as various third party fan manufacturers have produced items based on the Transformers IP, Hasbro & Takara have swiftly put out product on the market featuring similar permutations of the IP (i.e. Universe Wheelie, Cyclonus, and Powerglide all hitting shelves shortly after the limited Jizaitoys releases). This seems like a conscious decision on the part of the TF brand - why? Is it seen as a kind of "design-off" or friendly challenge? Is it to offer collectors official versions of those characters as opposed to "bootlegs"? Or is it a simple case of IP protection?
* AGAIN, SOMETHING TO ASK AT BOTCON OR SOMEWHERE: Does Hasbro distinguish between third-party items meant to modify or improve pre-existing official product (i.e., fan-made accessory packs that require the user to already own official product) and completely new third-party products that stand alone?
* ONE MORE LIKE THIS: As you are probably aware, there are groups in Asia who are producing unofficial versions of Transformer product that Hasbro has proven unwilling or incapable of producing (i.e., Generation 1 toys where the original molds are believed to be lost or destroyed). If it were possible to secure those toolings (via legal action, for instance), would you be willing to produce official releases of said items?
* Regarding the Hall of Fame: Optimus Prime and Megatron are already inducted into the HOF. Does that induction include Optimus Primal and Predacon Megatron, or are they separate characters for this purpose?

*''FOR THE MARVEL TEAM'': <s>The packaging for the Marvel Transformers says Iron Man and Mr. Fantastic built the battlesuits using "alien technology." Were those aliens the Transformers? If so, was it an information exchange, or a gift, or did they cut up a bunch of Decepticon corpses and see what they could make of them? (The thought of them cutting up Autobot corpses is a bit much!)</s>

== "...One from the vaults."? ==

I don't get it? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 21:14, 5 November 2009 (EST)
: It's a bit from Rocky Horror Picture Show, giving it nearly 10 times more Nerd Cred by volume than a prostate joke where "prostate" is misspelled. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:12, 6 November 2009 (EST)
::Gotcha. Never saw RHPS, but no need to get snarky about a misspelling, considering I fix them myself on a bunch of pages every day. I think one slipping through is forgivable. I'm not a n00b here. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 10:49, 6 November 2009 (EST)
:::No need to get snarky? Dude, that's practically all I ''do'' here. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:14, 6 November 2009 (EST)
== Try me! ==
I had added a Russian transcription to the article you recommended. Look and tell if it is right, please. If it is right, I can add such note to all such articles. --[[User:He-l-en1959|He-l-en1959]] 12:39, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: ''Ye-s-s-s-s''! "Waz-z-z-z-zpinator" is NOT so z-z-z-ztupid as z-z-zomebody may z-z-z-z-think!--[[User:He-l-en1959|He-l-en1959]] 02:30, 30 November 2009 (EST)

==Candlejack==
Sorry to burst your bubble, but you've been [[Jeff Glen Bennett|beaten to the punch]]. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:36, 28 December 2009 (EST)

== Great job! ==
Convincing Derrick J. Wyatt to hate the wiki. Pat yourself on the back. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 15:25, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:Wait, what? Explain. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:22, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::He added "[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/molestache Molestache]" as a caption to a picture of Derrick with a moustache. Derrick requested it to be taken down because he found it offensive. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:26, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Nice. Smart AND classy. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:27, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::I can't believe you guys would give in to possibly a Derrick impersonator's bawwwing and take out something truly funny. Besides, it was Derrick's fault that he grew the molestache in question. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 16:30, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::A: Someone else said that it really was him, and B: That's a really insensitive response. Even if it isn't him, I don't think it's a good idea to imply that Derrick J. Wyatt molests children, even if it's a joke. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:35, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::I was really confused at first because I was reading it as 'mole - stash'. Once I realized that it was supposed to be 'mo-less-tash', I think it was way over the line and should have been taken down no matter who the complainant was. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:38, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::[http://twitter.com/#!/DerrickJWyatt/status/25807570015 Pretty sure it probably was Wyatt]. --[[Special:Contributions/96.240.210.150|96.240.210.150]] 16:44, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Who complained is pretty damn irrelevant, I would've reverted it myself if I had actually seen it before today. That crossed the line, and it wasn't even against [[Pat Lee|someone]] who deserved such viciousness). - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:54, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Think we should try and do something to make good with Wyatt? I'd hate to get on a creator's bad side because of one joke done in terrible taste. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:15, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::An apology from the Wiki would be a start. I'm happy to give it myself if it will help. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:41, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::I think it would carry more weight coming from an admin rather than just the rank and file. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 00:44, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Probably, but I think hearing that the rank and file are personally upset as well would be good too. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:30, 29 September 2010 (EDT)
::HEY GUYS WHAT DID I MISS ohshi...

::Seriously? Okay, the joke was in dubious taste. That's kind of my thing. Derrick wasn't happy with it, so it was removed. That's how wikis work. Assuming he sees this, as the person who posted said caption, it sucks that he got upset and I'm sorry about that. Consider this an apology. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:59, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== Less captiony, more contenty! ==

{{captionbastard}}
What the subject says. Over half of your edits are just adding or changing captions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 17 February 2011 (EST)
:hahahah oh man really? Is this a Walky Joke? I thought the way this worked was essentially "tenure." Once you put in your licks building content (like say, all those [[Sticker Adventures]] books), you earn your stripes and can screw around a bit more. (Also - wait. [[NASCAR]] is inevitably going to need expanding Real Soon, and I think I'm the only editor who follows it.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:13, 18 February 2011 (EST)

== methods of getting rid of hooper x ==

* Hypnotise him into jumping of a cliff lol
* knock his toilet out of him
* drop him in a pit of bogeys
* suspend him by his toe in a pot of camel wee-wee
* cube him
* flatten him
* MURDER HIM WITH A CANNON!!!!
:This isn't actually a message board about hx, it's his talk page to leave him messages, which will activate the minute he goes to a new page. You just told him that you want to get rid of him. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:53, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== hx, you're the worst user EVER! ==

'''''You ARE the WORST TFWiki user EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is NO.. way you should be on this wiki, against every user that is smarter than YOU, AND be ABSOLUTELEY STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''''' --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 15:26, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
::Can somebody ban this guy now, please? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:33, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
:::You do realize this only makes my erection harder, right? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 17:13, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Is he the same dude who wants you dead (apparently)? Edit: (FFN reads above). Wow, that was a dumb joke caption you pulled on Derrick Wyatt, man. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:58, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, well. Some people just can't take a joke (in retrospect, making that joke about someone who's primary job description could be technically considered "children's entertainer" was unwise, but seriously. mustache.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:03, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

== Shoes ==

Was there an article you wrote about south-American shoe commercials... or something?

Was it lost in the crash, or am I just not finding it? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:03, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

There was, and it was. It was at [[Bata]], I believe. I can summarize it for you real quick - it was a brief history of the company from wikipedia, a plot synopsis of the commercial with discussion of the weird unique animation errors (oddly colored Cyclonus and Jazz, IIRC) and then a bit about the shoes themselves that I got from a Chilean friend - they were plain black leather shoes that you'd wear with a school uniform. No actual TF markings on the shoes, just the boxes. They promoted the same shoes with other franchises in similar ways. It's probably my favorite thing I wrote for the wiki and it was lost in the crash. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:46, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

== Er... ==

hx, did you get an attitude adjustment? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 18:49, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

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== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds03.jpg 03]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds04.jpg 04]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds05.jpg 05]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds06.jpg 06]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added? {{unsigned|68.200.62.165|19:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)}}
: Not until it's confirmed somewhere other than IMDB, which is not really known for its accuracy on upcoming stuff. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:There wasn't a new episode on the 30th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:22, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== "Unlike most Transformers shows, episodes do not have an episode title card. Episode titles are from The Hub website." ==

Don't forget on the info for [[wikipedia:DirecTV|DirecTV's]] schedulale! (sic?) --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

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== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds03.jpg 03]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds04.jpg 04]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds05.jpg 05]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds06.jpg 06]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added? {{unsigned|68.200.62.165|19:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)}}
: Not until it's confirmed somewhere other than IMDB, which is not really known for its accuracy on upcoming stuff. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:There wasn't a new episode on the 30th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:22, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== "Unlike most Transformers shows, episodes do not have an episode title card. Episode titles are from The Hub website." ==

Don't forget on the info for [[wikipedia:Direc TV|Direc TV's]] schedulale! (sic?) --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Darkness Rising, Part 1

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I hate to keep being an apologetic for the show, indeed I was puzzled when Prime said Megatron split with him after the war started, however, what he does say makes sense. Megatron was manipulating strife against the caste system behind the scenes as he and Optimus were debating what would be the best course of action for Cyberton and at a critical moment, (ie Optimus being chosen as the next Matrix bearer) Megatron turn on his 'old friend' and revealed his fully militarized force the Decepticons. It isnt so much as a continuity break as Optimus being really fuzzy about the details because he (unlike the reader) is not privy to a 3rd person omnisciencent point of view (ie being Primus). {{unsigned|24.182.231.55}}

== Main image caption ==

Seems outdated, but makes sense. He IS a major character, [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|from a certain point of view]] --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:04, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)

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This disambig tag fills me with glee. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Though why people find this funny confuses me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::I just imagine [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] saying it, it. Or would that be Optimus Prime (Prime), (Prime)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:34, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I guess the archivist thing is from Exodus? 'cause in the WfC game he instead mentions having been a dock worker.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 14:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::When did he mention that? I honestly don't remember him saying that, but my memory is not exactly something to go on. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:06, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It's during the in-game banter, I'd say during the second autobot chapter but could be the third. If memory serves, a teammate voices his approval of Optimus' taking matters in his own hands and acting like a leader and Optimus retorts as soon as the war's over he'll go back to working at the docks. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 03:47, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
: Yay, more inconsistencies! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And I thought nothing could be more inconsistent with established continuity than AHM. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:49, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::And is it 100 percent certain the Optimus in WFC and the one in Prime will be the same guy, cause I've been tracking the news, and beyond a lot of speculation and vague suggestion, nothing seems confirmed [[Special:Contributions/148.197.8.240|148.197.8.240]] 00.01 30 Jube 2010
::::Everyone at Hasbro sure seems to think so. ''Exodus'', which is written apparently from the ''Prime'' show backstory, includes the events of WFC loosely within its second half. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Even if they're not in the exact same universe, they're certainly in the same continuity family, so they'd get the same page. Just as Sunbow Prime and IDW Prime are both on the G1 page.[[User:Kaje|Kaje]] 19:31, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And there are others. Well, I haven't read Exodus but based on the summary on this wiki it's more like two different stories that reach the same end point. For one, in WfC Optimus doesn't become a Prime at the beginning of the war, but after Zeta's death, mere days before the evacuation. And the Matrix is introduced in a completely different way, possibly doesnt even ''exist'' until the end of chapter 8. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Exodus tries to have it both ways. Once you get to the end of the book and Sentinel dies, Optimus gets the Matrix then, and Alpha Trion notes that Prime wasn't truly a Prime until this moment, regardless of what the council said. So he was dubbed a Prime by the council at the beginning, but it wasn't really true until just before they left Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I guess it's an honorable fix, yet still doesn't mesh, mind you. In the game it's mentioned Optimus first refused to be a Prime, which is why he doesn't have the title (whether or not this landed Zeta the job is unclear since the way they word it at times I may almost think they could have several Primes at once) and the Matrix is unrelated to the Council and the Prime title they bestow.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:42, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why don't we just change the opening to "The young bot who would become Optimus Prime" rather than have it at Optimus or Orion Pax, and wait until Prime premiers and see if it ever goes with one or the other?

In the game, it's Optimus, not Orion Pax. Does the book override the game, or vice versa?
-ThiAthEhn
: The events of the game happen within the last half of the novel, after Optimus has stopped being Orion Pax. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The tricky bit is still that the game starts before he decides to become Optimus Prime, ie in the novel he goes from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, while in the game he goes from Optimus to Optimus Prime.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 12:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the article's current bio doesn't take into account the WFC game at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Hmm. The game does have a scene where Megatron and Optimus talk about something that happened between them before the game started. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:19, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

== So, do we have to move WFC stuff I've written to new character articles? ==

Argh. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Just like I predicted, yes. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:00, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'm too tired to clean this giant mess right now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:01, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Profile Should Be Rewritten ==

The Character profile here right now is all Exodus stuff. But almost all of it is stuff that is totally different in WfC. The Character profiles are supposed to be generic and fit all version of the character. I think this one needs to be moved to the Exodus sub-section and a new more general Prime (Prime) (that's fun) profile written, Yes?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree, it's a bit too specific about the Exodus stuff considering what a big deal WFC is as a form of Prime media. I believe the reason it totally lacks WFC stuff is because Walky wrote it and apparently hasn't played WFC yet. Well, I presume on the last, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I guess nobody cares then. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:57, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I care, and I think it does need to be rewritten but I think that'll be a LOT easier to do once Prime is on TV and we have more to work with. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:23, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus appears to be the official backstory of the Prime continuity, judging by the [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 official timeline]. For all the marketing hype about how WFC was totally in-continuity and everything, it appears the video game is, as video games usually are, a [[micro-continuity]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:44, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1==

So Exodus is based off the prime cartoon but war for cybertron is a prequel to g1.And if you disagree hasbro themselves sayed that. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1|14:54, July 5, 2010 (EDT)}}
:Yes, it is, no it isn't, no they haven't, sign your posts, Do The Research. Thank you for your time. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:41, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Videogames based on franchises tend to get retconned, like what happened to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Also, the show has been described as a mix of Animated and Live-Action films, which the game doesn't really reflect. If we are going to reclassify characters we should use something like "Optimus Prime (WFC)" until everything gets really confirmed.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:19, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
THANK YOU someone gets it. "unregistered" 11:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT){{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}

For Primus' sake, it was confirmed at Comic-Con that Prime follows on from WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:33, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== Toy ==

The fig looks awesome with [[Octane#Universe_.282008.29|Tankor]]'s guns on his forearms! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 14:33, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:And this is relevant how? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:26, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Move ==

So yeah, I've been suggesting this for a while, and this goes for all WFC (including ''Exodus'') articles, which we're really treating as a separate franchise now we've gone with Aligned as the continuity family's name for now. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving this article, because WFC isn't really a separate franchise. It's some tie-in games that Hasbro licensed to launch their new continuity with. The related toys didn't even have their own logo, they were released as "Generations". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:Moving it just sort of feels "wrong" to me in a way I can't properly articulate. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving any of these articles, for the reasons articulated by abates. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I don't even consider War for Cybertron to be a franchise, so no. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:44, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No chance in Hades. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:49, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::Right now I can see two distinct reasons beyond "no" (this isn't a poll actually). One, WFC is no less a franchise than Power Core Combiners, and it was a game accompanied by a novel, a comic and toys. At one point ''Prime'' toys were going to be released as Generations, but it's still a Transformers franchise. Afterall, [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] was released as part of the unsubtitled range last year, but he's still a G1 character.
::Chris, I know how you feel about moving it to (WFC) as ''Prime'' is where we're really getting to know these characters, that's why we have the ''Prime'' designs as the main images. If you are for uniformity, perhaps it is time to move [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] to "Optimus Prime (LVF)", and this to "Optimus Prime (Aligned)"?
::Regardless, I will be adding WFC Autobots and Decepticons cats to these pages. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::Remember "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", or in more wiki-related terms "[[Help:Ignore all standards|in situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule.]]" That's why all the Shattered Glass characters are at (SG) even though some of them are technically (Timelines).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:12, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::"[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" debuted before "''Prime''" even existed. He predates ''Prime''. So I don't like "Optimus Prime (Prime)." Categorizing Aligned things by franchise might be obsolete. The toyline is no longer organized by franchise. I think "Optimus Prime (Aligned)" is the way to go. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:36, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I lean towards Optimus Prime (Aligned) myself because it's Right, though I also think there's a good argument for keeping it Prime (Prime) because its Simpler for Users. So...?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::No one outside the wiki will know what "aligned" means, and we don't disambiguate by continuity family anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::I didn't realize this conversation existed, so I started [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|another one on the same topic over here]] and covered basically everything people have brought up. For the record, I agree entirely with what Alientraveller has said. "(WFC)" for most of these guys, "(Prime)" for the ones that originated in the cartoon, and "(Aligned)" for none of them because we disambig by franchise, not family. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:06, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I feel if we're going to talk about moving a bunch of high-profile characters, it should probably be discussed somewhere more central like the community portal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:43, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I believe we should keep O.P. (Prime) seperate from his WFC page. In my opinion, they are different enough to warrent seperation.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: That is absolutely not going to happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:Yeah, because nobody is allowed to change in personality over the course of '''untold millions of years'''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:45, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::He's not talking about the personality. At least, I hope not, since they're both Stock Movie Peter Cullen Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:::Well, my point about change still stands just as well in regards to appearance as it does in regards to personality. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:36, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, just run down the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] page and look at all the 30 million bodies he went through. Prime (Prime) just has two. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 2 March 2011 (EST)

: No no no no no no no no no no nononono fucking NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:20, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: If Hasbro hadn't specifically said that WFC and Prime go together, you might have had a point. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:27, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I agree with Sipher.