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Talk:Protoform

2011-11-20T03:21:30Z

66.82.9.57: /* DOTM */ new section

Hey, I was wondering how we should work movie protoforms into this article. They really don't serve anywhere near the same function as the BW style ones (Movie Protoforms are already existing characters who are cybertronic vehicles morphed into atmosphere entry forms, whereas BW ones are like "newborn" Transformers), but I don't think they deserve their own page.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 10:51, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Whatever we do, I was wondering if this image should be worked in. It's a concept image by Ben Procter, For the movie:
http://www.benprocter.com/SITEv2/HTML/ZOOM_Trans/ZOOM_70.html
That's the link to the image, I can't get it imported. [[User:JimCappuccino|JimCappuccino]] 20:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

==BWII==
I may have noted this already, but the grey guys from Beast Wars II are identified in one of my guidebooks as "sentouin".

[http://obscuretf.com/tfscans/BW2ndProto.jpg Scan, with descriptor]

As far as I was able to discern at the time, "sentouin" is the general term Japan uses to identify groups of generic cannonfodder bad guys, like the Putties from Power Rangers. I don't remember what the descriptor itself says, though. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:40, 12 November 2009 (EST)

ROTF: could we have a video of the decepticon protoforms landing?--[[User:Jonny|Jonny]] 12:32, 20 July 2010 (EDT)

== DOTM ==

If you look closely, one of the protoforms looks a bit like Megatron. --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 22:21, 19 November 2011 (EST)

Talk:Smokescreen (Movie)

2011-11-20T03:00:50Z

66.82.9.57:

'''M Sipher''' got bored while making these Battle Card character pages! --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:50, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Three deaths in a row! It's a new record! --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 22:00, 19 November 2011 (EST)

Talk:Meantime (Movie)

2011-11-20T02:11:42Z

66.82.9.57:

What would people think about creating a "Time Travellers" Category. I think there's DEFINATELY enough of them to fill it out?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:54, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think that's a neat idea in principle, but it would require a precise definition. For example, do the Aerialbots count? They don't have time travel capabilities, but they ''have'' travelled through time. I would favor a category that excludes instances like that, assuming there are enough people for it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

His notes read "The next time January 2nd falls on a Wednesday is 2013. Your Meantime figure acts as a functional watch for one second, roughly every seven years." What does it mean? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 21:11, 19 November 2011 (EST)

Talk:Meantime (Movie)

2011-11-20T02:09:26Z

66.82.9.57:

Talk:Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

2011-11-18T23:01:42Z

66.82.9.57:

==20TH/MP==
It's a little detail, but the pic used for the 20TH Anniversary MasterPiece Convoy Optimus Prime is kind of wrong: I think it's a testshot model that has never been sold (battle damage with long stacks and wrong light's feet colors) Also, he is a lille misstransformed as the matrix "hidder" is on the wrong side.
:Its a stock photo of one of the longstack protos Hasbro keeps using for promotional images. I chose these photos because its hard to find stock photos of the actual product (I don't want to use somebody else's photos), and they're actually photographed pretty well, with no major posing or transformation problems aside from the bumper in his chest. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::The errors should be noted, though, so we know we have to replace this photo eventually. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd prefer a really good photo, since its the best toy he has, so might as well get the best pics possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Do you think we could take a remy pic?

The text for the Masterpiece/20th Prime is a bit... um... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
: Accurate?
: Abit what? I believe I wrote that at 4am. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I recently got this and thought there was somet stuff worth noting... I don't know whether I've got what is now the standard, or something specifically "UK". I ordered it off Amazon UK and I've seen the same thing in Forbidden Planet here. Anyway, whatever it is, it has the small smoke stacks, no shiny chromy bits, and much more simplistic paintwork than the battledamaged US release. The Ion Blaster is also a mix of blue, silver and yellow as opposed to black or grey. Oh it comes with a talking stand too, although it's rather obviously not Peter Cullen they recorded... Something I was also curious about is the pair of voice communicators in his arms. On mine he has a sticker of Grimlock on the right, and Megatron on the left, however, the box shows Starscream. Is there just a random assortment that varies from item to item? Well, anyway, I, umm, thought some of this information might be pertinent. Sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this stuff up. DS (sorry, no account) [[User:82.69.45.136|82.69.45.136]] 10:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's the Classics DVD version. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|check here]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just got MP-1. Mine came with Grimlock on the right and Megatron on the left wrist communicator. --[[User:Thecrookedman|Thecrookedman]] 8:35 PM, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Classics ==

The entry for Classics Voyager Optimus Prime (and the matching entry at [[Ultra Magnus (G1)]]) claims that his two guns "can combine together to form a back-mounted shoulder weapon." I've never heard of Classics Prime having such a feature, at least not officially. Can somebody confirm or deny? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

:It's true - you leave the wind vane attached to his back, and you can then plug the smokestacks into that, and angle the whole shebang up over his shoulders to make a twin cannon. It's official an' in his instructions and stuff. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

::I never knew that. Cool. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 04:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Flat character==

I always thought so. Compared with Megatron, he had no charisma. He was wayyyy too honorable, level-headed, mature, just, wise, noble, etc.. *blech*[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 21:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sorry Prime wasn't evil enough for your tastes, but as far as I can tell that doesn't have anything to do with his ''toy...'' --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

What about [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act267/ this guy]? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
===Revoltech===
Shouldn't Revoltech be in merchandise? I moved it in that section, but someone else move it back in toys without explaining why.

:By what possible definition is a Revoltech action figure not a toy and a 3" Titanium figure a toy? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::I know, but Titanium has transformable toys, at least. I think the best definition would be toys=sold directly by Hasbro/takara, that would make Revoltech a merchandise. But what about McDonald Toys, then? Anyway, even if the difference between Merchandise and toys became kind of blur for Mc Donald, [[Titanium Series]], and Even [[Action Master]], Revoltech is not sell directly by Takara/Hasbro, and neither does it transform. Which clearly set him in Merchandise at the same title than "Metal Force"--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Um, wow. I know we have some idiosyncratic definitions on this Wiki (like "Comics-only character"), but I'd be very much against creating our own peculiar definition of TOY that's "sold by Takara/Hasbro". And "there's a toy that transforms in the package" as a definition would suddenly make 99% of my G.I. Joe collection not toys... --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Titaniums are directly sold by Hasbro in the same way the Kenner-branded Beast Wars and Machine Wars were. Plus, most of the characters with 3" Titaniums I've seen have them under "merchandise". Puls, while the Action Master figures (usually) didn't transform, their weapons or vehicles ''did'', and they were a mainline to boot. However, there's also guys like [[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]], who has a transforming toy, but said toy is bolted to a radio that keeps his legs pointed outward. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::...In the Transformers line, Of course I don't know why I should even precise that. And I don't want to create my own definition of Merchandise/Toys differentiation, I want one to be officially created, by general consensus (unless there is already one? If so a link to it would be appreciated)! That's why I Talk about it in the Discussion part: What make a Merchandise and what make a Toy? And in which category should Revoltech be put?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If we must have a clear criterion, I think "produced by Hasbro/Takara" may be the best we can do. And yes, that would mean moving most promotional toys like Happy Meals out of "toys" and into something else. Sadly, it would also affect toys made by GiG in Italy or by Estrela in Brazil, without some sort of concession. <s>Those were at least the same molds, so, we could base it on who owned the rights to the tooling at the time the item was produced, since GiG and Estrela were licensing them but wouldn't have owned them. (Not who ''made'' the original tooling, since then toys like Omega Supreme and Roadbuster are out.)</s>
:Hasbro '''owned''' the Bandai tooling used to filled out the line in 1985? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops -- no, they didn't. Don't know why I even wrote that. So that idea's out completely then. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Personally though I would rather not have a set rule for it, and instead decide things case by case. We could keep a list in the help pages of what items "count" as toys and what items don't. It's a subjective thing, but, I think we'll end up with the smallest number of silly categorizations that way. As Rotty says, I can't imagine any definition of the word "toy" that would exclude a Revoltech figure. They are nothing like Metalforce Prime. Metalforce is, IMO, very much in the "statue" area and not the "toy" area. A 3" Titanium is pretty much just a statue too, to me, but a SCF/HoC PVC figurine is moving closer to "toy".

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:I basically agree with Steve. The line between the two is fuzzy, but I feel that most everybody would agree with decisions, in this case, made somewhat arbitrarily. I don't think it's too hard to easily discern what was produced to be played with, and what was produced to be a display piece. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think we can come up with a pretty good definition in that toys are designed to be played with. You can say of them that they have a "play pattern", as I did at [[Multi-property brand]]. So figures that transform into something else are toys. If you play with them by having them interact with vehicles and accessories, also toys. [[Attacktix]], [[Built to Rule]], [[MyClone]], [[Revoltech]], those are also meant to be played with. There's really no way to play with 3" Titaniums, but it would be nice to keep [[Titanium Series]] entirely under Toys when the same character has both 6" and 3" figures. 3" Titaniums and SCFs are a gray area. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Notice that this "to be able to play with" distinction fall apart for softimus Prime and Optimash Prime, who are definitively done to play with. Yet, personally I would never move them in the toys Section.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::There's a point here, but I really think it needs to be a) signed and b) not phrased as threat of protest in order to weigh it against other opinions expressed. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just Forgot to sign (happen from time to time, sorry) and there was absolutely no will of threat when I tipped it.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Hasbro and Takara have some exact standard by which they determine what's a toy and what's merchandise? Perhaps toys tend to belong to "lines" or assortments, whereas merchandise tends to be a one-off item? There is an assortment of Titaniums, there is certainly an assortment of actual main-line figures, but there is only one Optimash Prime? Certainly we cannot strictly use the amount of "one", but perhaps this is where we can be arbitrary, if not being wholly arbitrary? There are only two Softformers, only one Metalforce... I suppose Masterpiece now has enough items to be considered a line? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nice idea, but the Heroes of Cybertron series goes against that logic.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::We're currently counting Robot Heroes as Merchandise, and that line's set to get fairly extensive. SCF would also have to be switched to toys, when you really can't play with them. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wall Statues==
I went to my local Toys Be We today, looking for a Classics Bumblebee, and discovered three Classics Primes, a 20th DVD Anniversary Prime....and Megatron and Optimus Prime Wall Statues. [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=116021&N=27+&nvalue=27 Here] and [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=114687&N=27+&nvalue=27 here]. Pricy, but yummy-lookin'. I wish I had three hundred bucks to blow on all three...but I'll be content (for now) with my Classics Prime. If somebody wants to add the statues to the merchandise for Optimus and Megsy, go ahead. [[User:Kendrakirai|Kendrakirai]] 04:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

==Original G1 Toy==
We don't seem to have a picture of the original toy. I think given its importance to the line (and its many releases) It would be great to have a good collection of pictures of it emphasising its many features and variations (ie New Years Convoy, TF Collection version with axe). [[User:Azereal|Azereal]] 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:When I wrote this article, I attempted to track down as many images as I could find for all the figures I listed and described. But G1 Prime was difficult, because I wasn't sure any fan photo would be more deserving than any other for it, and I couldn't find a stock Hasbro/Takara photo of the original team was of good visual quality. I think I'll leave if for you guys to figure out, now. - FFN in class

We need a pic of this toy with its trailer and alternate modes. That's kind of a big thing to be missing there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The encore trailer sports a 1992 mold year. Is this the G2 retool, and if so, what changes were made? Also, is there any info on trailer variants?--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 01:48, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==New additions==
Hi guys. I was just reading thru this AWSOME article and noticed a few more recent things were missing. I hope you like my additions. --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:Thank you. I am pretty awesome at writing about toys I don't actually own :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well, you certainly do a great job, because I actually do own most of them (not that I'm bragging), and I can't really better any of the descriptions in your entries. Nice work! :-)
::In case you're interested, I'm a Prime/Megsy completist, at least in the sense of I buy each officially produced ''transforming'' (or at least highly articulated) mould. I'd like to think that I'm not a slave to repaints, but if they reflect something that's actually in the fiction I'll sometimes cave, ala Powerlinx Armada Prime. As a sideline I collect ''most'' iterations of Starscream, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Grimlock. Oh, and Beast Wars/Machines characters who were actually in the shows. All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::To be fair, I've not seriously edited this page since creating it in January, so the sheer majority of the work since then (especially of the new toys released since January) were written by other members, and the entire Trivia section was originally by Nevermore and somebody else who I can't remember, unfortunately. But still, I am very proud of it as toys are a sorely neglected subject on this wiki. A single sentence about toys is not good enough unless the product in question doesn't do anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

====Slightly altered how?====
:Me again. Just a question; does anyone know what the actual difference is between the original Japanese [[Pepsi Convoy]] and the supposedly "slightly altered" U.S. release? I've just added the U.S. version here since, unlike Pepsi Convoy, he ''is'' actually supposed to be Optimus. However, I don't know what this small difference is supposed to be, since I only own the Japanese version myself.

:Also, I understand that this was a convention exclusive of some variety, but was it just a BotCon thing, or was it available at ComiCon and/or anywhere else? Purchase or competition?

:Any help?

:Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The only differences I'm aware of are the character distinction and the packaging. Oh, and I assume the US version has short stacks. (I have the Japanese one.) It was sold by Hasbro Toy Shop at BotCon and San Diego Comic-Con this year. It's something they sold at whatever convention they were at, as part of their normal stock. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks dude! Much appreciated. Yeah, now that you mention it, looking at the picture I added I can see the small stacks. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Snarky commentary==
Who the heck put all the snarky commentary in the sections for iPod Convoy, the Nike thing, the Pepsi things ect? I actually have a good idea who did it, but I'll refrain from naming names. For the most part, this article is meant to be informative in comparison to most articles on the wiki, so we should restrain ourselves from adding colour commentary and giving "cute" nicknames for the toys. I would also advise this person to stop displaying the toy images as large as possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dear FFN,
:PacifistPrime here.
:I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions. I am responsible for the so-called "snarky" comments that you have unilaterally excised, however, you are incorrect in describing them as having been "put" into the relevant sections such as Nike and iPod Convoy, because I originated all those sections myself in the first place. As the original author, the tone of my writing can hardly be described as an insertion or imposition to pre-existing material, since those whole sections were my own original contributions.
:Regarding the "naming of names", I don't know if I was the user you had in mind or not, but I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making this all sound like some clandestine snarkfest: I wrote the entries whilst logged in and never made any attempt to make my contribution anonymously.
:As to the "snarky commentary", with all due respect (and acknowledging you're doubtless a more frequent contributor than myself): Are you serious? One of the most pervasive and appealing things about this wiki is its sense of humour and light, joshing tone. My comments are satirical and jovial at worst, hardly snarky. I mean, honestly, you don't want us to become like the mirthless uptights over at Wookieepedia, do you?
:And I challenge you to dispute that my contributions on these toys aren't ''thoroughly'' informative. I believe that my wry comments in no way detract from the article's informativeness.
:Finally, if the image sizes are too large, I'm more than happy to concede that. I just made them a size which seemed adequately large to understand, but if you feel strongly otherwise, I don't much care on this point.
:Rather than just reverting your edits, I'm hoping we can discuss this. I'd be good if some other users will weigh in on this matter. I hope I am not out of line here, but I really believe that FFN's appraisal of my work (and his edits) are excessive (and somewhat contrary to the flavour of this wiki), especially as they have stood intact for several months.
:All the best,
:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The problem is not me wanting to excise humour from the wiki (if you'll noted me in talk pages and on TFW2005, I am a staunch defender of the Wiki's tone and sense of humour), the problem is the jokes got in the way of conveying information with them starting off with commentary about Prime's corporate shilling and the various nicknames you gave to the toys. In any case, the number of jokes didn't fit the tone of the rest of the article, or really, the tone of the toy sections of the rest of the wiki. Now, I really do appreciate you for writing about the Japanese toys, but really, with humour sometimes less is more.
::Oh, somebody needs to find an out-of-box photo of iPod Convoy. I only have stock photos of iPod Optimus Prime. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, FFN, what can I say? I disagree. I really don't think you can reasonably argue that the jokes were "getting in the way", as all the useful information was clearly there. Frankly, I think the running gag that Japanese Convoy is addicted to endorsement deals was a perfectly relevant bit of observational humour, given how obviously egregious 2007 was for this fact, and it's a damn shame to have it removed.
:::Does anyone else want to weigh in here?
:::Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:I have no strong opinion on it. I think there were probably too many jokes before, but it would be okay for some of them to be put back in. I do think the "nickames" for the toys are probably a bad idea. Since we're talking about Japanese-exclusive toys that American fans won't know much about, it's probably better to call them by their real names all the time to avoid confusion. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::That sounds reasonable to me. I can appreciate the point about the excessively cute/smartass nicknames. If I could restore the running note of observational humour about Convoy's excessive number of corporate endorsements, I'd be happy. Whaddaya reckon, FFN? Anyone else?
::--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::Okay, I'd just prefer it if we didn't bash people over the head with the joke like say, the The Chaser's War on Everything or something. I prefer my satire to be more subtle and be left for the viewer to notice, like Newstopia. Funnily enough I love both shows.
:::Edit: Sorry for not replying soon, I didn't notice this talk page had been updated since January. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I take it from the Chaser reference that you're a fellow Aussie TransFan, FFN...? Anyway, I've restored the two header jokes about Japanese Prime being addicted to endorsement deals but ''without'' reinserting any of the name-based jokes, as per our discussion. (n.b. The remaining use of "iPodimus Prime" was actually still there, I didn't put it back in. I assume that means you thought one mention was okay when you were removing all the others. I'd appreciate that one use being left that way too, as I think it rolls off the toungue an is fankly pretty amusing, if I do say so myself...).
::::I hope that's all cool with everyone now.
::::Peace, --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I am. That's fine now. Could you write about the iPod Optimus Prime redeco? Yeah, his name is Optimus Prime [[Transformers (2007)|for some reason]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am probably a bit late, but i think the whole "convoy loves corporate endorsements" thing is hilarious and does not detract at all from the informative nature of the article. Just thought i would throw my opinion out there.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main Image ==

''"We need a more appropriate image, one that only has G1 Primes on it."'' 
While I agree with [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] that that would be ideal, the image that ''was'' there is so filled with awesome that I vote we keep it in place until we have something better. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:Didn't Remy Rodis do one like this, with a buttillion Primes all together? Maybe you should bug him about it. -hx, still not logged in.

== 25th Anniversary Pack ==

Sooooo... what do we file the umpteenth rerelease of this toy under? Universe? Universe (2008)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Universe (2008). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Pepsi Optimus Prime==
Are we sure Pepsi Optimus Prime was Pepsi Convoy? I thought he was just Optimus Prime, not a seperate character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yeah, they're two different dudes. Pepsi Convoy is a character separate from Optimus Prime created to shill, and Pepsi Optimus Prime is just Optimus Prime The Shill. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fictional apperances ==

I was looking through the toylist and I thought it might be interesting to have some kind of note about fictional appearances of the toys, or a "toy-only" note. It would be neat to look at the Combat Hero toy and see that it appeared at the end of the G2 comic. The note could have a range, Issues 5–7 of Marvel comics or something. Some of them, like Masterpiece don't really count as it is supposed to be the original. Just an idea. Maybe it is too messy to attempt. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:42, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Just to follow up: Hearing no objection I went ahead and added the info back then, but the recent consensus seems to be to not have it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

== Original toy influence ==

Please explain why this was cut. Is it ''not true''? Is it somehow not relevant in some bizarro-world way that I'm not seeing? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:53, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:"The first Optimus Prime toy was the inspiration for lots of Optimus Prime toys later". NO SHIT, REALLY? Should it also BE NOTED THAT? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is also worth noting! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::Optimus Primes in every continuity family, Ultra Magnuses, evil clones, BW leaders, even a faction sigil or two... the toy has influence that ranges across the entire history of the brand, multiple characters, universes, and franchises. It's the root of a huge family tree. This may be obvious to you and me, sure, because we are all uber-robot geeks here. But there is nothing ''inherently'' obvious about it at all. If "obvious" is our criteria, why are we describing the toy at all?
:: (I was gonna contrast that with all the stuff we describe that can be PLAINLY SEEN FROM PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TOY, but strangely enough we're missing photos of his alternate mode and trailer.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:14, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:::No answer? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:14, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Alternity? ==

Wasn't our Alternity section more expansive than this? Did we lose everything in the Bookworm Crash? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Trannies?==

The G2 Laser Optimus Prime section talks about "The Trannies" awards, and that the figure won twice, and also lost to its own repaint. Can anyone provide an insight to these awards? How were they decided, by whom, where, when, who won, when did they stop, etc? Presumably either on its own page or a suitable sub-section of someone else's (eg: if they were done by Hasbro, a section on the Hasbro page). [[Special:Contributions/118.208.172.41|118.208.172.41]] 06:19, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:They were held on [[alt.toys.transformers]] (and related newsgroups) during the late 90s/early 00s, organised by [[Robert Jung]]. The awards were decided by email vote. A [http://groups.google.com/groups/search?safe=off&q=trannies+group%3Aalt.toys.transformers Google Groups search] may help enlighten. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:29, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

==Goes somewhere==
[[Image:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb]]

== Another split? ==

So yeah, I'm less than halfway through this big overhaul, and I'm thinking we might need a separate page for all Prime's merchandise, just to take the load off this one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:36, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: That seems fine to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:49, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::Seems a natural split. I would also suggest that given the sheer ''number'' of toys we're detailing, the "trivia" section with development info at the bottom ought to actually have its subsections moved up to the toys they're discussing. The original toy in particular already has a lot of development info in its entry, so merging it with the other info at the bottom would be for the best.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:14, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Generations ==

Where is the Generations deluxe Prime on this page?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:45, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

:That'd be under 'Transformers (2010)', actually. It needs a little tweaking, too; He turns into a '90s International 8100 daycab, and certainly not a racing truck. A flame job on a Civic does not a racecar make. Unfortunately, I apparently don't have enough edits yet to fix it myself. [[Special:Contributions/99.192.95.58|99.192.95.58]] 10:29, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::You should still be able to make the edit, though I'd recommend including a citation/supporting evidence link so any skeptics know you're not just making it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:01, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:::The page was protected some time ago because anons kept adding the Generations WFC Prime to it. Given the date of TOM's original post, that's the Prime he's asking about too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:19, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::::Ah, I see. I thought 99.192.95.58 was phrasing it that way because he was afraid his own editing record wouldn't hold enough weight and so it'd just get reverted.
::::In that case, 99.192.95.58, you have to register first, and then you can edit the page. It isn't contingent on how many edits you've made in the past. (That's mainly for adding funny captions.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:25, 11 March 2011 (EST)

==Pepsi Prime==
Crazysteve, fount of robot wisdom, found [http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2010/10/coke-may-have-made-santa-claus-but.html photos and ads advertising Pepsi Prime]. Apparently he wasn't a mail-away, he was a contest promotion (at least initially.) If your [http://www.usasoda.com/images/pc86-57.JPG Specially Marked Can] of Pepsi had "WIN" under the tab, you took the tab to a Pepsi bottler and they gave you a Prime. Huh. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:14, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Another another split? ==

This page is currently the third longest non-MSTF page on the wiki, should it be split? And if so, how? Toyline? Years? We've never had to deal with this problem before, a little discussion seems in order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:23, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:I don't see any point in further splitting. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:27, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Transformers 2010/Reveal The Shield ==

The G2 remake Prime was shipped (in the UK at least and I'm sure elsewhere) under the Reveal The Shield branding, this was on the card and the figure features the rubsign which is the token feature of the line. I'm not sure 'Transformers 2010' is the best title for the section.

It might also be worth mentioning the matrix gimmick. The inside of the side windows are molded with a (non removable) matrix relief. In robot mode, this is visible through the windshield/chest. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 19:49, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Reveal the Shield is just a subline imprint, no different than previous examples like AllSpark Power or the Unicron Battles. In those cases we use the main franchise name for the section, not the subline. The only reason this seems weird here is because there isn't a distinctive franchise name here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:06, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Will add a short line about the matrix gimmick, any objections, please discuss. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 16:08, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

I just checked over his instructions and the head doesn't look like the toy's (i.e no mouthplate). As per the trend of [[Skullgrin|different]] [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|looking]] [[Axor|head's in]] [[Black Shadow|instructions]], I'd like to ask what it may be if there is to be a not yet announced retool. Everyone place your bets. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 14:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:Thunderclash is my bet. Have read (on Seibertron.com I think) that we won't see another RTS wave until the TF3 toy rush is over. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 17:00, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== ((Yet) Another) G1 Retool? ==

Can someone confirm that Encore Prime uses the G2 retool (backpack)? Or that the BAPE release uses the Chronicles retool (trailer post)? I think it's worth chronicling the evolution of the mold itself, step by step, along with copyrights and stuff. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:29, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

== Powermaster Rerelease? ==

I might have accidentally skipped it, but was there a rerelease of Powermaster Optimus Prime? If not, did I SERIOUSLY just skip over an MISB PMOP for $50 at Nekocon? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 17:59, 7 November 2011 (EST)
: Powermaster Optimus Prime (with Apex Armor) was one of the first Toys R Us G1 reissue exclusives. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 7 November 2011 (EST)

== Masterpiece Prime ==

On the first Prime Masterpiece figure, one of his communicators has Starscream on the screen. has he sent Roller to the Decepticon base so that he could spy on them, or something? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 18:01, 18 November 2011 (EST)

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==Organization==
I think this needs reformating. Right now all entries focus on the current Primus/Unicron backstory, even the one on the Marvel Comics where the backstory was notably different (and had several versions in itself).

Do we want to focus the whole entry on the current multiversal paradigm and add previous Primus backstory as continuity notes? Or do we want to tell each version of the story as its own section of the entry? [[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:52, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Considering the current Primus' backstory IS all the previous Primus material all streamlined into one entity, I think we should open with that. Otherwise, we're going to have two nigh-identical halves in the same article, one half being a retelling of the other half. It is a retcon, after all, of which Transformers has many, and we have accepted previous ones pretty easily. (IE, Vector Sigma vs. Quints creating the TFs in the cartoon.) Of course, we should note, as it does now, that this is the current "dogma" of sorts, that inconsistencies exist -- and in the subchapters for each continuity, we should tell it as it was. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Where should the stuff about him creating the Covenant of Primus (the group) before Cybertron go? Universe cause it's botcon related? or near the begining with the general stuff? Also, Timelines stuff happening at the same time as Cybertron seperate entry or together with the general Cybertron one?

I would say the Covenant of Primus (the 12) should go in Universe. The 13 (which includes Vector Prime and The Fallen) should probably be added somewhere in the beginning. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

==The Fan Club comic==
For the last time, the comic in the fan club magazine is a CYBERTRON comic. It says so at the top of every issue. It's not labelled Timelines. It takes place in the Unicron Trilogy universe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:57, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

==Primus sucked??==

Says under "War of the Ballance" that Primus was sucked into the black hole limbo with Unicron. Did I miss something or shouldn't that be the Fallen was sucked in with Uni, not Primus? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, it should. Corrected. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 14:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

==The God of the Cybertrons==
In the second episode of Beast Wars Neo, Big Convoy and crew head to planet God Bless to look for an Angolmois capsule. The effect of this particular capsule is that anyone who comes near it "sees" their god, which the Destrons use to exploit the cat-people of God Bless into making oil for them. When Big Convoy and co. come into the picture, they see an illusion of "the God of the Cybertrons"... who is a gigantic [[Great Convoy]].

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/GodOfTheCybertrons.jpg Great God!]

I'm wondering where this would go. At the moment, I'm thinking in Primus's Trivia section, but I'd like some opinions. They don't call it Primus by name, but Beast Wars itself had references to Primus... of course, I don't know how Japan handled those. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:49, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'd put that in "God of the Autobots". Primus didn't exist in Japanese continuity until ''Energon'', so it'd be horribly misleading to put it in this article. It's certainly possible for other Cybertronian gods to co-exist with Primus. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 23:22, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::And we need a "God Bless" article, dammit. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 23:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::I strongly object to placing a GotC article in God of the Auobots, since ''as used'' it would almost certainly be better translated as 'God of the Maximals.' Japan's obnoxious decision to give the ''new'' factions the old names contributes to their marginalization of the con/pred changeover. BW-era is NOT JUST G!-ERA LATER IN THE FUTURE. THERE HAVE BEEN FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES, RRAUGH, DERIK SMASH!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
:::To be perfectly correct (and to avoid big arguments like [[Talk: Lio Convoy]], I'd say we go with the whacky name and have it at "God of the Cybertrons". It's a Japanese-only concept. We might as well give it the appropriate Japanese name.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 00:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
::::That seems wise. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
:Well, the thing is - as I vaguely suggested at - Beast Wars had references to Primus, and Beast Wars was dubbed into Japanese, ergo there may have been references to Primus in J-BW. The problem is, with the wacky dub of the show, I have no way of knowing if those references were kept. A quick search of the scripts indicates that there were references to Primus in Bad Spark, Transmutate and Agenda 3, at least, which would have all been part of ''Metals''. I guess I can try poking around Japanese TF pages for ''Metals'' episode reviews... --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 00:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
:Even if they ''were'' kept, they wouldn't have reached Japan until a year ''after'' Neo ended. If the Neo writers were aware of/'doing' Primus, he would have appeared in some context with Unicron, not a 1-off gag image generated by the unaware-of-Unicron Predacons.
:Treat it liek what it was intended to be ''and'' what it was-- something to intended to insult the Maximals. A Maximal elder dressed in clothes even more Ornate than Great Convoy's proclaiming hismelf their god. The Ask Big Convoy thing mentions the elders are basically ministers of Cybertron's theology-- the preds are MOCKING the ir leaders, values and way of life. Calling it anything else requires distorting the scene into something it's not.
:Besides- are you honestly tryign to say that Primus is only god of the Autobots/Maximals? Not the Predacons? That all Predacons are satanists? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

::... what? Even though the Preds used the illusion of the Cat God of God Bless to get oil from the, uh, God Blessians, I don't think they had any control over what people saw at all. The Maximals sure didn't react as if it were a parody - they weren't even aware that it was an illusion. The recruits were figuratively wetting themselves because they thought they were seeing their God.

::Ages ago, I made sound clips from the episode and had a native speaker listen to them, trying to figure out the nature of the God of the Cybertrons and the Angolmois capsule. This is what I got back:

::Saberback: ''"Ah, Lord Magmatron, I see that there's no fooling you. These Angolmois capsules have the ability to make corporeal the secret desires and wishes of living beings. On this planet, GodBless, the god envisioned by the natives has created this planetoid. And for the Cybertrons, created a god in the form of the legendary Convoy."''

::False God: ''"I am the God of the Cybertrons. I say unto you, this planet is the planet of the Gods, sacred and holy to us. You must not approach it."''
::Big Convoy: ''"So that is the God of the Cybertrons..."''

::Finally, Longrack muses that ''"to the GodBless-ians, it looked like a Giant Cat God, and to the Cybertrons, it appeared to be a Transformer God. Therefore, it must have been an illusion with no actual physical presence"''.

::Also, he's not more ornate than Great Convoy - he's DRAWN AS Great Convoy. That B&W drawing in the corner of my compilation pic is Great Convoy's character model, and they're clearly the same dude.

::Of course, I had completely forgotten that "created a god in the form of the legendary Convoy" part, which raises a whole different batch of questions. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 02:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'd say create an article at "God of the Cybertrons", and mention in the Primus trivia something like "He's not the only Transformer 'god', there's also this BWNeo guy of unknown significance." --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:48, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

== Kiss Play Primus a ringer? ==

I think we should have a note that the Primus in the Kiss Play continuity (and hence the unified JTF universe) is VERY, VERY different than the one we see everywhere else. If I understand things right he's mearly [[Primacron]]'s assistant in his new [[Oracle (G1)|Oracle]]/[[Vector Sigma]] form and NOT any sort of real actual god or pan-dimensional cosmic being. Correct?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 00:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:He identifies himself as the real god of the Transformers, and displays a cosmic form and pan-dimensional powers in keeping with that. He's also identified as being the G1 dimension's version of the guy from Cybertron/Galaxy Force. I think we just have to accept that in the shoehorned JG1 continuity, he can be a god AND Primacron's assistant Oracle AND Vector Sigma, all at the same time and/or consecutively. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 01:13, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

::'S funny, I'm fine with him being both God-Primus and Vector Sigma and all, that works ok, but when you also make him Primacron's assistant it kinda falls apart for me. Primacron's assistant was an ugly robotic munkey creature that did the whim of a even uglier mad scientist, was blown up by Unicron, survived only in a shell that was latter captured, disected, altered, and enslaved by the Quintessons. Sure, you can say Primus incarnated as the ugly munkey-lizard robot and served Primacron and was destroyed and enslaved and all as part of some greater plan but it's a HUGE stretch. (I know, I know the whole unified timeline is to begin with). The "WHY?" of it all just boggles the mind. Ah well, I just think a note about how that whole retcon fits together very shakily wouldn't be out of place. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Japan's G1 timeline has more plotholes than Cybertron, so we should just blame it on the singularity. [[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 19:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Primus in Animated ==

*http://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/1436601253
*http://twitter.com/GeneralTekno/status/1436613378
*http://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/1436621805

<nowiki>*gives a little cheer, then coughs and looks innocent*</nowiki> --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:34, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
: He's also said G1 Ratbat doesn't talk. Derrick Wyatt doesn't get to decide things on his Twitter, despite how often he is awesome. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:02, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
::He's just ''balancing out'' the awesome, with periods of notness.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:37, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:::...that's why I put it on the talk page instead of in the article. I'm still cheered by the fact that at least one Animated person wants that retcon to die a horrible death. :3 --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:47, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

At best, this just means there are no current plans to feature Primus in Animated. He's there, because Cybertron is there, but the Cybertronians are unaware of his presence, which can really be said to be the status quo in most universes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:54, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Given the established meta-omnipresence of the Primus retcon, I don't think it would be ''possible'' for anyone in a new continuity to re-retcon it out of existence and conclusively create a reality where it wasn't "true." You can't prove a negative--can't prove that Primus wasn't there--especially when dealing with supernatural entities that waltz between dimensions, and when it is also already established that continuities claiming "nope, no god here!" (i.e. early Marvel, Shattered Glass) are simply wrong. And while I, too, love Derrick Wyatt, author intent doesn't become any more realized or significant just because the author happens to be cool. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:I dunno, if an author says something isn't in their story, I take them at face value, instead of going, "Well, even though it's your story, I know better than you do what's actually in it." (After all, if the Allspark is what makes the TFs, and if it turns out that the Allspark (and presumably Cybertron) aren't Primus, that kind of renders Primus pointless/useless at best, yes?)
:I just am aware that one, Isenburg is the main writer, not Wyatt, and two, Hasbro might make them use Primus anyway at some point. Still makes me happy, though.
:(Although I'm still a bit cross-eyed at the thought of third-party fanclub material ever being allowed to overwrite the mainstream TF material it's not a part of. Marvel was retconned within the Marvel series itself by a mainstream pro, and I get the feeling that it's fully intended that Primus really is in Shattered Glass already and the TFs just don't know about it yet. Not the same at all.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:47, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:(And here I thought Tramp was the only one who bought into that "Well, even if the author says Primus isn't in the story, it just means he doesn't have an active part" stuff. -_-) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:59, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

::I've had trouble with the prominence of the fanclub stuff too. The G1 & Beast Wars cartoons were seen by millions, the Marvel Comic read by tens & hundreds of thousands... and the fanclub stuff which has an audience of ''hundreds'' overrides both to the point of being atop the bios of various characters? This is before the "decision" that the movie Fallen is the "same" as the DW Fallen, when there's an order of magnitude difference along the lines of a MILLION TIMES between the audience of the fanclub stuff that determined this and the movie itself. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:02, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
::::"fanclub stuff," huh? Dude, just today we added a bit to the [[universal stream]] page that was from Takara's Alternity Convoy bio. This stuff isn't just contained within members-only material. Since this whole concept started, it's been all over. It's been on toy packaging, such as Titanium Unicron's. It's been integrated into Takara's "World of Transformers" website. The "Original 13" was something that pretty much started in BotCon text stories, and now they're making a damn live-action blockbuster movie about it. This "angle" of the mythos is much, much larger than the club's influence, and has been for years. It's not "just fanclub stuff." That's like saying that Primus is "just Marvel UK stuff," even though we got a toy of him a few years ago and a television series centered around him. The cat's already out of the bag, or whatever.
::::And second, I really don't want to start throwing stuff out of the wiki just because it wasn't seen by enough people. "Prominence" is relative, and it's impossible to judge, and so that's a terrible reason to cast out information. This wiki EXISTS so that the small things get noticed. If not, we should just put up a page about what Optimus Prime did in the cartoon and call it a day and lock the damn thing forever. Is Chip Chase less canon because he didn't show up in as many episodes as Bumblebee, meaning less people saw him on tv? That's a bad road to go down. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:00, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Who said anything about throwing things out? Just that, if we're OK with mentioning that previous information was retconned due to that fanclub retcon, I don't see why we would ever give the fanclub retcon special treatment by not mentioning if any newer continuities ever explicitly omitted Primus and Unicron, but instead resorting to silly "Well, Primus and Unicron still exist somehow anyway, they just serve no purpose whatsoever except meeting technical requirements" explanations. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:51, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

:::How many people owned BW Sonar? Probably a few hundred thousand. How many people read Wreckers and Apelinq's Journals? At least two orders of magnitude fewer than that. Yet Sonar is still female. It's overwhelmingly likely that Hasbro never intended this, that the designers would have casually used "him" or just "it" during their progress meetings, but still, there she is. Information is information. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:20, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

And this also kind of gets into how the wiki treats continuity. It can be summed up as "everything fits, unless it doesn't." If a statement, no matter how broad and sweeping, isn't demonstrably contradicted by the fiction of a setting, then that statement still stands. If it does not, then that posits one or more splinter continuities, microcontinuities, etc. So in this case, the "Primus is in every universe, but he's slumbering within Cybertron in most of them, and most Transformers are unaware of his existence" is a statement which has not been contradicted by an existing continuity. So it's "true" for our purposes. There isn't a big glowing godly hand in all these continuities, but there's at least a planet Cybertron, and thus it hasn't been contradicted. He can be assumed to be there, because we have no evidence against it. So author intent is nice to give perspective at times, but only what's actually in the fiction counts.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:27, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
::Well, except that it was outright contradicted in the Sunbow cartoon, and Furman has said if Primus is in the IDWverse, he's not a god at least, and if Isenberg backs up Wyatt that Primus isn't in Animated, etc...
::I guess the problem is, our "everything is canon" bit is based on the fact that usually continuities don't try overwriting other continuities. But that sort of fanclub retcon actually makes some parts of ''other'' continuities non-canon.
::(Of course, the upcoming IDW series about the 13 might produce the exact same problem, but at least that'll be mainstream fiction...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:39, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
::: Dude, the Sunbow cartoon contradicted ''itself'' on the origins of Transformers. Vector Sigma was originally the "before yadda yadda, I yadda yadda." And then new people came along and retconned it in the third season to be the Quintessons. It was the same in the Marvel comics. First the origins were natural-evolution; later, a different writer made it Primus, which itself was a retcon of the Quintessons. Modern-day retcons are really no different. There's no magical year in the past in which it became "nope, new additions don't count." Those changes will stay until they're retconned again. Retcons are eternal. It doesn't mean they're any less true in the interim. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:50, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Like I said above, that's different. The Sunbow series retconned itself. The Marvel series retconned itself. Etc. A storyline retconning itself is fine (well, in a technical sense).
::::The problem is when you've got a storyline trying to retcon a totally different storyline. IOW, you've got one continuity (main, sub, micro, whatever) busy rendering parts of ''other'' continuities non-canon. Thus mucking up our "everything is canon" policy.
::::While that isn't necessarily a problem here (yet), it does make me wonder what we'll do if The 13 does end up throwing any wrenches into things. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:51, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

== can we change the caption under the energon section ==

the 1st picture in that would go great with a code geass joke [[Special:Contributions/74.125.154.85|74.125.154.85]] 10:31, 15 July 2010 (EDT)

== Another unintentional Primus ==

There is an artificial planet called Primus in Ben 10: Alien Force, the He-Man one may be unintentional, but this one seems like a bad joke that is borderline author infringement.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:29, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
: [http://www.google.com/search?&ie=UTF-8&q=Primus Don't waste our time.] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:50, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
::Don't worry, not wasting any time, since I wasn´t going to post it in the main page anyway, just saying that that(un)inentended reference came out as extremely ridiculous. And why is that part from He-man noted, it makes no sense to the wiki and offers no real information, in my opinion, it must be deleted, I just wanted to test my theory by talking about the worst use of the name Primus so I could prove my point. Seriously, there is a famous band named Primus, it was even refered in Family Guy, heck, maybe Furman used the name as a reference, so give me a good reason for why He-Man is there. It´s like when a guy posted something about Omega Supreme being in a Chinese movie, it didn´t have anything to do with Transformers and it was deleted.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 18:46, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Or how about that it's an OLD LATIN WORD that was the basis for all the other uses, from Transformers to He-Man to the band. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 19:00, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
::::That's what I mean, delete that He-Man part, for that very reason. Thank you.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:10, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

== Power Rangers Reference 2 ==

Alpha's fitting for the caption, cos it's a reference to Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, which featured the Big Good's assistant as... Alpha. huh [[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 19:28, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Rangers Reference 2 ==

Alpha's fitting for the caption, cos it's a reference to Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, which featured the Big Good's assistant as... Alpha. huh [[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 19:28, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

== Power Rangers Reference 2 ==

Alpha's fitting for the caption, cos it's a reference to Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers, which featured the Big Good's assistant as... Alpha. huh [[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 19:29, 19 August 2011 (EDT)

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