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THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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==WHA'PPEN?==

So...what on Earth has happened to the TFWiki? Also, for some reason the old Wikia seems to have gained all of the articles that are now missing from here. (Such as the Season 3 animated stuff)
:Seems to me that we've reverted to a June 2008 version of the database which could be really bad news. Some of my articles [[Macabre]] for example are at the old site but not here, which would make sense since I wrote it in September 2008 before we moved here. I don't even have a login here anymore - Emvee :( [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:31, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Looks like our brain-damaged friend is back again.
:::There's some more info on the [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=51208&view=findpost&p=1155749 wiki thread in the Allspark forums]. Looks like an upgrade handled very very sloppily. I'm hoping once they restore the old database it'll overwrite the changes made in the interim, seeing as how our favorite Idiot Vandal With No Life is on a rampage. (Sigh.) Wiping out his stupid crap in one go would be priceless. (This is Jeysie, BTW.) --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 19:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Thank Primus. I was worried someone had hacked in and deleted the database. The thought of 6 months work lost filled me with dread. --abates 19:46, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ditto. Dread all round here too. Good to know it's in hand. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 19:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::You know... assuming it does get overwritten so we don't have to worry about undoing it, watching our pet vandal complain about how the wiki malfunctioning prevents him from vandalizing properly is one of the most morbidly hilarious things I've seen in a while. -Jeysie --[[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Don't I know it, I was just having a laugh at that with the other half :) --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::You know, there are some benefits about this. On the one hand, people don't have to worry about being spoiled about TransWarped. On the other, we get to see Assaulthead self-destruct in rage as he can't vandalize the wiki. However, there is one concern: What if they can't retrieve the lost information? -- (SFH) [[Special:Contributions/67.164.210.225|67.164.210.225]] 20:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm assuming that Bookworm made a database backup before he started work. Should be fairly simple to upload it again. Which means this conversation never happened. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:16, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I've decided I don't want to think about what happens if he didn't. (Realistically about all we could do is a crapload of trawling through Google's cache, but even then we'd pretty much be seriously hosed.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 20:18, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::I didn't spot this thread until right after emailing Suki and Walky (one knows the code well, the other is right by the servers) about the situation (though I figure they already know), as I thought it might have been Assaulthead showing a heretofore hidden hacking genius. (Hey, if Bulkhead can be a space bridge genius...) I hope to heck we don't lose all those months of work. Someone really needs to work on that update process... --Apcog [[Special:Contributions/99.158.0.251|99.158.0.251]] 20:21, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::It would be a real pain if all that work was lost. I hope it's not. How long would it take to get everything back up again? --Tribor

Guys, stop worrying and check out the community portal talk page. That's been restored and its last post was only a couple of days ago. Unless that's the ''only'' page on the enitire wiki that was backed-up, the most that could maybe have been lost is a couple of days' worth. (Okay, as soon as I wrote this, that page got fucked up, too.) The main thing to think about is first-time visitors seeing the site like this. - Magnus Maximus
:I just find it sad that the only person who can log in (with multiple usernames, it seems) is the guy with the (so imaginative) gift for profanity. --Emvee [[Special:Contributions/77.102.92.218|77.102.92.218]] 20:49, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::That's only because he keeps making new accounts every time he shows up, since we keep blocking the old ones.--Apcog [[Special:Contributions/72.48.68.223|72.48.68.223]] 00:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

What worries me, is... why is the database even that far back? Even if we somehow lost everything, we should at least be stuck in how the wiki looked when we first arrived, but we've been rolled almost three months before that. (The last edits in the histories all seem to be mid-June 2008, but didn't we move here in mid-September 2008?) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:02, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, but IIRC we moved in with an older backup and ended up losing a little bit of stuff? -hx [[Special:Contributions/24.30.97.198|24.30.97.198]] 21:14, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::Only a few weeks at most, though, IIRC, not three months' worth. (Not that it really matters if we did lose everything, it just makes me even more worried that this backup/upgrade wasn't done right.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.219.120|72.79.219.120]] 21:24, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

:::I just don't uderstand why there wasn't a working failsafe in case something like this happened. I mean come on have you ever heard of an SD card or floppy disk? --E-Bot
Somebody set up us the bomb. --Interrobang 21:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Straight up! I agree, it dosesn't make any sense Dawg. Yo but you know i'm still concerned if something like this could happen again, and if the damage could much more worse than it is now. --The Man 21:19, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::There had been discussion for several months about creating a proper back-up system.
::::No one really thought it was important. *eyeroll* -[[Special:Contributions/207.224.69.82|207.224.69.82]] 23:00, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::I had a look at the page for exporting the database a week or so ago but couldn't work out how to make it give me any data. I kinda wish I'd stuck at it now. Oh well, I'm just hanging out for some sort of official word on what's happening now... --abates 23:09, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Who are we gonna get the offical word from? Admin? I've only been able to track two. This is what really gets me though, I've put more work into this wiki in the past four months than any other time. But I'm kinda doubting that this entire thing was Assualthead, even though his fancy with profanity is some kind of wonderment. I hate worrying because it's like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do but doesn't get you anywhere.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:25, 15 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::Walky just [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/481400.html blogged] on the matter.
::::::It looks like our host decided to spontaneously upgrade our software without warning or asking us first, forgot to make a database backup while doing so, things got corrupted and now he's slapped in the database we had during transition just to get things working while he digs through the backup archives to find the most up-to-date regular update.
::::::(I am not relaxing until this update is in-hand. That's the kind of flim-flam answer I usually associate with "oops it's all gone" unless I'm informed somethign is going to happen AHEAD of time.) -Derik
:::::::OK, I have [http://www.aldenbates.com/allpages.txt here] a list of all content pages on the Wiki from roughly 4 days ago. I am thinking of writing something to request and save the Google cache of every damn one of them tonight. Actually converting them to Wiki format and restoring them is another matter. --abates 00:34, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Google Cache is passable - I tried a few links that I was able to access and they were about at least a week to three weeks off. --lonegamer78 [[Special:Contributions/76.95.138.16|76.95.138.16]] 00:44, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::If you can automate such a thing, I'd say go for it, Abates, just in case. The TV Tropes folks saved their own wiki from a crash with Google's cache, so while it'll be a crapton of work, it'll still be way better than starting over after losing 9 months of work. And if it turns out we didn't need it because Idiot Server guy gets things running again, well... just a little time wasted, then. --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:21, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Hrm, as I more or less expected, Google throttled me. I'm not sure of a better way to get the cache pages though. :/ --abates 02:26, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

The not-entirely-ultrahorrific news is that the Google cache of every page I've tested for is from March 9th. So at least there IS a record of really everything we've done here; we've only "lost" TransWarped and one or two comic issues.

But for fuck's sake we have to get this nailed down SOON.

First question: is it possible for Google to make a cache of the current lobotomized pages? How long will they rely on their March 9th cache of, say, Kup, before they make a new image of it based on the piece of shit Bookworm reverted us to? Can we ask them to STOP updating?

And does this current incarnation of TFWiki still have the quarter-million implanted redirects to Wikia in it? 'Cos if it does, fuck, we're better off pulling the plug on the site altogether and only putting it back when it's presentable. '''Thylacine 2000''' --[[Special:Contributions/74.73.131.210|74.73.131.210]] 11:03, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

:Agreed. There is absolutely no reason for the site to be up right now. We're begging Google to overwrite their old cache. '''Chip''' [[Special:Contributions/161.203.16.1|161.203.16.1]] 11:39, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

===Another thing comin'===
Okay, people, look here. I don't know jack from shit about databases and backups and servers and whatnot, but what I do know is this:

''This is a fucking catastrophe.''

In the very best possible scenario, we've had a site that's been down all freakin' day. That's if we're very, very lucky, apparently. This is also a site that goes down every single night at 1:10am central time, and stays down from several minutes up to an hour. Every. Single. Night. Like clockwork. This is a known issue and in 6 months, nothing has been done about it.

That's if we're lucky. If we're ''not'' lucky, and I'm seeing no reason to think we are, then we've lost ''eight months of work'', all thanks to some bizarre software update that... does what? Was it even necessary? Was something broken here? Was that whole thing where the site appeared to be working, was that just me hallucinating?

Furthermore, if this required taking down the whole site, ''why on god's green earth was a full backup not made immediately beforehand???''

Daily outages for 6 months, lost backups, no backups before software updates, and a site that's now rudderless. We were supposed to make a clean, sharp, snazzy break from Wikia, show that we'd be better off on our own and didn't need them. At the moment, we instead look like ''idiots'' who can't hack it.

We HAVE advertising money, yes? It is time to find a ''professional'' site host, and PAY THEM for their services so we can in turn get reliable hosting. The free charity hosting thing was very nice, but it seems we've gotten what we paid for. -- repowers, not freakin' signed in.

: Yeah, seriously, what was the server guy ''thinking''? The way this should have been done:
#Ask us first.
#Give at least a week's scheduled warning once we gave permission. (I mean... premiere of the first big TF info in a while kind of is a ''really'' bad time to be doing this sort of thing...)
#Put the wiki in locked-down Maintenance Mode.
#Backup the wiki.
#Upgrade.
#Test it out.
#Unlock the wiki.

:...I'm with you, there's gotta be some webhost we can pay that's better than this silliness. (I'd recommend Dreamhost, but admittedly, while they're more reliable than these folks, I still wouldn't offer it up for more than simple hobby sites.) --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.222.241|72.79.222.241]] 23:51, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

:Yeah, this was the ''one reservation'' I had against ditching Wikia - that entrusting our work to some random host would be riskier than a company that does nothing ''but'' wikis. Every time I mentioned it, I was either patted on the head or ignored. Maybe NOW the danger will be taken more seriously. - Jackpot [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 00:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::In all fairness, this wasn't "some random host." This would be "the guy Walky pays to host Blank Label, where his livelihood resides." --Rosicrucian --[[Special:Contributions/67.232.209.132|67.232.209.132]] 01:15, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::Not just Walky, but all the other people on BLC. Near as I can tell, this kind of thing has ''never happened'' with the BLC servers before. '''M Sipher'''--[[Special:Contributions/75.177.130.173|75.177.130.173]] 05:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::And the problem is that Wikia was unreliable too, in entirely different ways. If we'd stayed with them the wiki might be up... but they'd also be randomly breaking things by upgrading without our permission, and screwing around with our content. Personally, I wish we simply had a webhost where we were allowed to do our own backups/upgrades... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:21, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, we had no real reason to suspect this would happen. Walkypedia has been on this same server, with the same hosting and same maintenance guy for years (albeit it's not a wiki of anywhere near this scale). Bookworm had, previously, seemed to have his act together. We just have to hope that he gets it back up, and that he's properly chastised by this.--Rosicrucian, [[Special:Contributions/67.232.209.132|67.232.209.132]] 01:24, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:::::It's just that... personally, I'm dismayed we were trusting an "outside" IT person to maintain our site anyway. I had thought Suki and Derik were handling things. I mean, If I'm going to host something on my own webspace from a webhost, I'm of the "Take my money, give me webspace, keep the space online, and let me handle the rest" mentality. Or at the very least, not do anything to my site unless I authorize it and I'm there watching... --Jeysie [[Special:Contributions/72.79.218.38|72.79.218.38]] 01:30, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

I beleve that we must do everything in our power to restore the wiki post-hast. Otherwise we will fall behind so far it may set us back weeks even months just to get caught up again. And if I might add that if anyone copied any of the articales we can use that information help fix the problem. I know it sounds complcated but we have to try. To me this not just a wiki it stands for everything Transfomers are. --D.J.Sky 03:35 15 March (2009)
:Ruined FOREVER, you mean? - Magnus Maximus 04:39, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Aw, jesus, I was ''really'' hoping that when I woke up, this would all have been a dream or something. - - McFeely [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 06:27, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
:That's exactly what I was hoping McFreely, but sadly it wasn't. I was hoping the site would be back up by now and we'd have four days of work to recreate, but no, it's still down. I mean ''come on'', the half-ass guys over at the wikia have almost everything we've put up in the past four days (not to our quality but still). I don't know guys... I hope it'll be back up by the time I get home from work tonight and might pull an all nighter trying to do what I can.--AWT88--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 10:53, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

::It's really a bad nightmare. Oww... I have same feeling with Chris. --(TX55) [[Special:Contributions/61.229.26.192|61.229.26.192]] 11:42, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

===Damage control===
Figured there should be a link here to the discussion Rob started on how to go about fixing all of this: [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central]] - '''Jackpot''' [[Special:Contributions/216.231.37.133|216.231.37.133]] 13:52, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF countdown==
I can't remember, but was our ROTF countdown thing automated or did somebody have to manually change the number of days left? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:04, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
:<nowiki>*blink*</nowiki> Yeah, it used to be a countdown in wikicode. *yoinks the countdown back onto the page from the history and feels sheepish for not noticing it got overwritten* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 09:15, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
::Thank you kindly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:17, 21 March 2009 (EDT)
:::It's showing 101 days again, which is where it was stuck after the crash. --[[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:00, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::OOps, shall fix. Thanks for the heads up! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:19, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

== Derik's revamp. ==

Looked and worked awesome when you showed me the sample, even better now that it's in proper layout. Kudos, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:00, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not sure what else was done, but the image banner at the top looks all huge and pixelated now in Firefox on my iMac. This may or may not stem from the revamp.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 03:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::It looks mostly spiffilicious, but there's something off on the Continuities/Categories paddings, as the longer titles (External Properties, Full Series Info, and About Continuities) wrap into double lines for me, where they didn't before. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Doesn't happen for me at 1024, haven't tried it at other resolutions. I did notice that the "Full Series Info" anchor link on the Continuities box is now broken.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I've had a chance to look at it on the PC at home, and the banner image looks fine there. The Continuities & Categories titles look fine to me, no line wrapping. Go figure. The anchor link for Full Series Info is indeed messed up, though.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:22, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Mrr, maybe it's my font size. I don't know why it's suddenly weird, though, it was fine before.
:::::As for the "Full Series Info", that, and "anyone can edit" and "add to!" in the disambig were all in-page anchor links to various feature boxes' IDs. If Derik changed or forgot to add the IDs on the feature boxes, either that needs to be fixed, or the links need to be fixed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:20, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

They have ID's-- but not names. (I think 1 or two of the ID's might've changed, I didn't think they were used.) Are you referring to anchors, or...? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:48, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:Yup, anchors. The link in question goes to Main_Page#series for example.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:52, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::The anchors work-- they're set using the id= in the main page text. I apparently changed the "#editing" anchor to "#editing-tips" to make it consistent with the rest of the ID's used on the page. I didn't realize anything actually ''used'' it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:12, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::And yet, I click on that link, and it's no-go.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:17, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah. ''Now'' it works. Go figure.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:52, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

I like the ''idea'' of the autosizing banner, but as mentioned previously, it looks really pixel-y and...well, bad. (Never mind that the Decepticon banner has some sort of smudge in the middle of the "K".) I'm looking at it in IE7 at a resolution of 1280x1024, meaning the banner image itself shows up at 1007 pixels wide. But it looks really junky until I shrink the window down so that the image is below 800 pixels. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 16:43, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

== Server Slowdown? ==

Still getting some major lag at various times, and not just at the "standard" time of midnight Central Time or so. For at least a couple of hours this afternoon, the wiki was taking too long to respond, delivering server time-out errors, or else generating a blank page. Frankly, until I was able to see it properly again just now, I was worried we had a repeat performance on our hands. I believe Suki/Scout said she was making regular back-ups, which is good. Is this periodic bog-down going to be SOP until/unless we move again, or is Bookworm gonna do something about it?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:I noticed that there were zero edits from 13:45–18:56 this afternoon. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:42, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::Yep, the site was pretty much unreachable for about 5 hours there, along with Blank Label Comics' site. I was beginning to wonder if the server had died completely.
::The favicon seems to have stopped working for me too, though I can't work out why. The image is still there... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Five ''hours''? Yeesh. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:49, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
::::And no one who knows why has shown up here to explain or communicated the reason to anyone who posts here yet. Lovely. Favicon's still working for me, at least.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:54, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::I called Bookworm in the middle of it to get him to kick the server in the nuts, but I only got his voicemail. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:14, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::Peachy. My confidence is soaring now. Well, at least we know someone here has tried to get his attention.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

==Been Out for a While==

I figured this would be the best place to do this. First and formost, I'd like to apologize to everyone on the Wiki for not helping in probably our biggest time of need. I have been unable to have internet access for the past few weeks, because the damn hospital wouldn't let me have a computer (and maybe only being able to use one arm on a laptop is pretty damn hard), which means I have been unable to update or edit anything. Hell, today was the first time I was on my Facebook or Myspace for weeks, have finally caught up on Lil'formers and ShortPacked as well.

Anyways, let me explain about these ramblings. Two or three days after the crash--on my way to work--I had some fucking dumbass in a riced Toyota run a red light and T-bone the side of my truck in my door and messed me up pretty good (he fucked himself up as bad as his car) and put me in the hospital. I was pretty damn lucky though, dislocated my shoulder and elbow, factured my forearm and wrist, broke three of my fingers; all on my left arm (and I'm a lefty), cracked four ribs and bruised them too, fractured my tibia and broke my ankle. My right side was farely untouched but still got bruised, oh, and my seatbelt cut into my neck (I've had worse cuts and scars before). This is all probably a bit too much but I figured I needed to explain why I haven't been on here until after everything was fixed.

I do have a few questions now though. 1) I can't log in under my name so do I have to set up a new one? 2) Was everything completely blanked when it came to users (i.e. Page Watch, Contribs., etc.) or can we retrieve that? I guess that's all the questions I can think of right now. Any responses, obviously write on the talk page, or hit me on my IP address Talk Page.--'''AWT88'''--[[Special:Contributions/98.19.92.58|98.19.92.58]] 23:10, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
:Wow, that sucks. I'm glad to hear you're recovering though!
:And no, the user accounts were completely scragged. You'll have to re-register. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:10, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF==

Shouldn't the newest thing be the Veiled Threat instead of Defiance #4? --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 09:26, 10 May 2009 (EDT)

== Could not connect ==

Was anyone else unable to connect to tfwiki for the last four hours? Are we still having server problems, then?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:09, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

I was ''finally'' able to get back on the site after about 6 hours, and noticed there had been ''only one edit in the past 6 hours''. What gives? Has the site been down the entire time, or has everyone been busy at BOTCON?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:38, 29 May 2009 (EDT)
:It's definitely been down all that time for me, at least. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:48, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
::That was downright painful. :( --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:18, 30 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Indeed, its getting to where I see why Wikia is still running, since its actually up half the time[[Special:Contributions/76.240.201.195|76.240.201.195]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Dinoforce ==

For some reason, all of the Dinoforce articles show up twice in the Turncoats category. This doesn't happen with any other article in there, so I think maybe it's a facet of that little accented u in their names. They appear to not just be copies of the same article, though, since the talk page for one was the talk page for the other. I'm not sure if this is an in-joke or not, though, so could someone familiar with the articles please address this?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:52, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

== Remaining the Fallen? ==

Do we have a lineup of potential Featured Articles for August? I vote for [[Sector Seven]], unless we think it would be a good idea to keep it as-is until the movie leaves theaters..... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 12:16, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
:Siph suggested [[Micromaster Collection]] a week or two back. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:57, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

:Do we have any featured-level G.I.Joe related articles? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:31, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
::Not especially... even the complete ones look kind of... limp. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:44, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think a G.I.Joe article is a good idea...to bad in don't know nearly enough about the show to lap at least one of the articles a feature...--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 16:54, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
::::So, are we going to switch to Micromaster Collection after all? If that doesn't work for some reason, I could also suggest "Shattered Glass" [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] or [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]] for further potential quirkiness. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 01:59, 5 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::I suggest [[Marissa Faireborn]] to go with our G.I. Joe theme. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I second Marissa (and note that it's usually Walky who changes the featured article, and he's on the road which is probably why it hasn't changed. Also, I want to slap an "anatomy doesn't work that way" tag on the current tower ad). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, I'll third the Marissa idea (and not just because I did that article up recently!). We're already a week into August, so I'll just change it now before I head out to work. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:05, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

==September FA?==
So.... [[Micromaster Collection]]? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:34, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
:I'm down with that. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:45, 30 August 2009 (EDT)
:Anyone wanna put that up? I will tomorrow morning if not! :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 09:09, 4 September 2009 (EDT)

== DVD field guide ==

Actually, with the column width wouldn't this fit easily in the featured series box?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:57, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:Maybe, although I think it needs to stay in a nicely prominent spot somewhere and not get "lost". There's already so much info jammed in the Featured Series box already. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:22, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

== Reception in all fiction ==

Just an idea, why not add a reception section to all main fiction pages (comics and series) ala the Animated/UT pages [[User:Eire]] 20,07 Nov 2 09 (UTC)
:I tend to cringe at these, as they're tough to write, inevitably biased, and magnets for vandalism.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:12, 2 November 2009 (EST)
::I kinda agree. Though I DID really enjoy the UT ones (those articles in general were good reads for me, since I missed most of those shows). I think only in cases where the response was very particularly notable should we dip into such opinionated waters. Otherwise, yeah, they're kinda huge moron/troll/vandal bait. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:31, 2 November 2009 (EST)
:::That would be my concern as well. If a series had a particularly notable and uniform reception, then it might be worth a write-up. Otherwise, what is there to say? I worry about echo-chamber effects as well. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:40, 2 November 2009 (EST)
::::To be honest, don't we already have some sort of reception section in most of the articles? Beast Wars has the infamous [[Trukk not munky]] reactions and so forth, and Beast Machines has the fandom's dim views on it. Is there any section which already doesn't have some sort of fandom reaction on it? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:02, 2 November 2009 (EST)

==Slight reorganization?==
Should we move "Editing Tips" to the left column? The "This Day in History" and "Schedule" boxes are gonna pretty much be longer and longer as time goes on. This is just going to push "Editing" even further down, leaving lots of whitespace. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:45, 8 November 2009 (EST)
:I'd been thinking of that myself. Although I was thinking more of breaking up the list into two sections and just having it sit the full width of the page.
:We could instead or also trim the Featured Series box back down, and/or combine the Categories and Continuities boxes, which I'd also been considering. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:04, 8 November 2009 (EST)
::How about making the "This Day" and "Schedule" boxes like the "Series" - show a few highlights, click for full listing. On the other hand, "Editing Tips" seems like something that should go in or near the "Toolbox". [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:06, 8 November 2009 (EST) (forgot to log in at first)
:::I don't like the idea of condensing either list. Who dictates what's more important? Hell, half the point is to provide more and more jumping-off points to things people might not have thought about normally from the main page. I think simply moving "editing" will suffice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:12, 8 November 2009 (EST)
::::I can see the point about who decides what's important, but surely it is not necessary to have something in the "Schedule" two and a half years beforehand (premiere of TF3). Showing ~ one month's worth on the main page would probably be enough. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:23, 8 November 2009 (EST)
:::::It's not like anything that far in advance is going to be announced often. Hell, TF3 is about it, and oh joy, you're saving one line. And no, I don't think one month is enough, because honestly, the Schedule tends to get forgotten, and events end up still on there weeks after they were done. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:04, 8 November 2009 (EST)

== Little slow ==

So, what exactly are the differences between tfwiki and transformerswikia? And why the split and stuff?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 04:07, 17 December 2009 (EST)
:See the [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|complaints]] page as to why we moved. TFWiki is run on an independent server and has almost all of the people who used to edit on th wikia. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:34, 17 December 2009 (EST)

== Just wondering ==

Why is it important to list the advertisements in comic books? I really can't see why?--[[User:LesterX|LesterX]] 20:27, 22 December 2009 (EST)
:Why not? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:46, 22 December 2009 (EST)
::Sometimes they have little blurbs, "This guy is cool because..." They are official info, no? Which characters get the marketing monies and whatsuch. Plus they are usually so condensed, they can represent the character in a waaaay left field manner, kinda like eating condensed soup w/o the cans of water. You get the familiar taste, but in a "-choke-, come again?" manner.[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 20:57, 14 February 2010 (EST)

==Sidebar==
Sidebar is FUBAR in Internet Explorer. See [http://obscuretf.com/TFWikiIESideBar.jpg here], ignoring the swath of stuff cut out from the middle because I didn't feel like printscreening it. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 15:33, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:Looking at it... it seems to be some kind of problem with the float on the sidebar. Whether it's due to IE not properly squishing and/or scrollbar-ing the main content section to ensure it fits (the way FF and Opera do), or something wrong with the float declaration itself, I'm not sure, though. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:47, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::In my case, the sidebar's font seemed to have shrunk on the main page but it looks normal when I'm elsewhere. [http://img63.imageshack.us/i/tfwikimainpage.jpg/ Main page] and [http://img685.imageshack.us/i/tfwikisamplebluestreak.jpg/ random page] (okay, Bluestreak's) for comparison. And I'm using Firefox 3.5.7. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 16:16, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I get the same result as Lonegamer with Firefox 3.5.5 and IE 8.0.6001.18865. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 16:22, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::Using IE and yeah, sidebar's hiding way the hell down there somewhere. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:30, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::Unfortunately, I suspect this likely is something that can only be fixed by someone with access to the site's CSS/HTML, rather than by wikicode. What's the standard method for summoning Suki or Derik? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:41, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::That should be fixed now... --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:35, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::I can be summoned by a virgin sacrifice or AIM... like it says on my userpage. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::Ah, that explains it. I don't have AIM or any virgins I'm willing to sacrifice... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:50, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::Yay, it's normal! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:58, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== New WFC TFWiki logo image? ==
IMHO, we totally need to add [http://www.gamestop.com/gs/images/bonus/Transformers_Cybertron_bonusLG.jpg a logo of this pic] to our rotation. (I'd do it myself, except I don't have our logo bit to add to it...) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:37, 9 February 2010 (EST)
:And I am now content. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 10:22, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Kudos ==

I'd like to take a nanoclick to say that out of all the various wikis save Wikipedia Prime, and often including Wikipedia Prime, funny or no funny, THIS WIKI HAS IT'S $#!+ TOGETHER. Other Wiki's have about as many users in all as we have SERIOUS/DEDICATED users. ... Does TFWIKI have a fanfare/praise page?[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:08, 14 February 2010 (EST)

== Extremely weird... ==

When I try to set the size of Image:DiacloneSkids.jpg to 300px, it comes out as Image:G1SkyLynx toy.jpg[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:05, 28 February 2010 (EST)
[[Image:DiacloneSkids.jpg|thumb|right|300px|See?]]
: Can't say I'm seeing that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:21, 28 February 2010 (EST)
::Okay, just my computer then. Still weird. It ONLY does it at 300px, not 299, not 301, JUST 300. Guess it's telling me to log off. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:25, 28 February 2010 (EST)
:::Okay, now it's back to normal. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:05, 1 March 2010 (EST)
{{-}}
::::Sounds like an image cacheing issue. Those usually fix themselves in a few hours.
::::(OTOH, I've seen a few instances when a certain resolution's thumbnail is permanently screwed up.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:40, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

== Possible Tweaks... ==

So, I decided I wanted to try and make our Main Page a little less "unbroken sea of text" if I could. I basically consolidated Continuities/Categories into one, as well as merging Editing Tips/Holy Grails into one along with a resurrected "Improvement Drive" idea. I also added in some headers and logos to break things up, and trimmed down the Series list to show just the major fiction. Check it out here: [[User:Jeysie/Main Page]] and give thoughts? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:11, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
:I like the consolidated "Improvement Drive" box and really like the separation of months in the Schedule. On the other hand, I like using logos in theory, but I'm not so sure about how it works in execution. Particularly I'm wary about the logos of the Japan-exclusive series. Having something on our front page that most of our readers can't read seems, well, unideal. Putting the titles under the logos in plain text would fix that, but that'd seem kind of gratuitous under the English logos. I also ''really'' don't like the use of the logo of the first series in a continuity to represent the entire thing in the Continuities box. It makes it look like the one series is the entire continuity, which also makes it look like an unnecessary overlap with the Series box. I think it'd be better to just leave the continuities as text, since it's clearer that way. -- [[User:HotAndCold|HotAndCold]] 22:56, 9 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, using the Armada logo for the whole Unicron Trilogy is the most glaring part to me. If only there was an official UT logo! It's a shame, cause I think it looks a lot better with the logos there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:29, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::If anyone has any ideas on what logos to use in the continuities box, I'm all up for it. Maybe if someone wants to mock up custom graphics?
:::If we want things to be more generic, I could use [[:Image:TheTransformers Logo.jpg|this logo for Generation 1]], and we could create a logo with the "Beast Wars" edited out. UT is still tricky, though... even if we edit out the series name, it looks close to RID then. Meh.
:::We could always switch back to text, of course... just saying, if anyone has alternative ideas.
:::As for the Japanese series, that occurred to me as well, but I'd really like to switch to the logos in that section, and anyone who hovers over the logos does get the English series name in the link.
:::But if there happens to be any English logos for those series available, we could upload them and go with those. Alternatively, my first inclination was to remove those series altogether and just stick with the major major TF fiction, but I didn't want cries of being biased or anything. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:19, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::I'm not sure what the continuities listing brings to the table that the series listing isn't already doing. I'd just give a link to the continuity family page and keep the full series list link. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:01, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, the continuity families have been part of our main page since pretty much forever, so if you want to remove them, that's a wider discussion than with just me, I'm afraid.
:::::(Though if I had to cast a vote, personally I prefer to keep them, as continuity families are important to our wiki's structure and yet not necessarily an intuitive concept to the new reader. Especially since the dedicated continuity family pages we link to are ''not'' directly analogous to the individual series.)
:::::But in any case, I tweaked them to be plain text links. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:56, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::It still seems to me that Continuity Family and Franchise are terms that should be covered in the series box. And throwing the names of the continuity families at the reader before the term is defined for them seems counter intuitive. But, as you said, some of my concerns go beyond what you are doing here. I generally like what you've done. If it goes through perhaps a discussion of my points could follow. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:27, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

:I like it conceptually, but I'd say the subheader bars inside each box will need to be a bit smaller.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:49, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::Smaller in what sense? The font is the same size as the regular text, just bolded. I could shrink the font, though it'll be a little weird having the header smaller than the actual text... or did you mean less padding and/or deeper margins? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 07:19, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
:::In the sense that each bar is graphically more or less as prominent as the box they're a part of. They're the same height, the background is just as dark, etc. It ends up being visually pretty busy.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:08, 10 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Ah, OK. I tried doing some tweaks to make them a bit smaller and lighter; is that more what you had in mind? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:56, 13 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Definitely a step in the right direction. Looks good.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:09, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

== We need to fix the links for the WFC front page title images. ==
They're currently all directing to G1 characters. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:17, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

:I had noticed that, but was leery of possibly having the front page linking to red links, so I didn't fix it yet. Do we have all of the pages in question created? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:27, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

::We only have one of them as yet! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:48, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

:::Easy - disable them. Better than misinforming people, no? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

::::So, how about it? I've forgotten where the template for that title image box is, or else I'd do it myself. We can reinstate them after we fix up the articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:25, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::[[Main Page/logo]] is what feeds that. Go nuts!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:29, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::I redirect the un-created ''Prime'' pages to ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]'' for now. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 03:58, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::Thanks guys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:30, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

::::::::Pftt, I should have thought of that. Thanks, TX55!
::::::::But yeah, get busy creating those pages so we can change the links back to the characters again. ;) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:49, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

:::::::::You're welcome. I'm glad to help with it. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:16, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

== Main Page Image Rotation ==

Since it's been a month and a half since BotCon 2010 took place, may I suggest that we remove the BotCon exclusive toy characters? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:23, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
: It's been a month and a half since WFC was released! We should take down all of them! And then don't put any more up, because everything else is older than that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:24, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
::Well, the fact the WFC guys are substantially more recognizable to 'casual' fans than the Botcon exclusives factors into it. I believe that was the reasoning for not including guys from G1, Beast Wars, etc. in the rotation. I really wouldn't mind seeing the odd character from various continuities get sorted in from time to time. Dinobot comes to mind, or Hot Shot who seems to have a psychotically devoted fanbase. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:33, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I would argue that most of the WFC models are NOT more recognizable to "casual" fans, being kinda generic in many regards. Mind you, I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to cycle in the "big names" from various past franchises. Or instead of a single character, do "mini-collages" of maybe three quasi-important characters from a side from some past series. Cheetor, Rattrap and Dinobot. Hot Rod, Kup and Blurr. Sky-Byte and his stooges. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:11, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
::::I'm sort of afraid of the logo becoming another Go-Box. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:56, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I'd be in favour of having, say, a standard set of logo images which would cover the main franchises and would be used most of the time, and then for special events, like movies/BotCons/etc, temporarily swapping in appropriate characters. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:20, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
::::I meant that WFC was the current thing that would be making people seek out a Transformers Wiki, like how before WFC, they were primarily from the movies. I'd like more variety, but logic dictates a focus on the current 'big thing' in the media. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:20, 16 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I agree with both Abates and Cattleprod. As for the concern of the logo becoming another Go-Box, it already is, though I think it's only fair to have an article link with the image. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:24, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
::::::I second Zadok's point. I see the logo being for the "big draws" and the Go-box for the nifty obscure corners of the brand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:58, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

== Help... ==

I've noticed a few times that when I put my sig w/timestamp down, it signs my IP instead of my username. I've tried re-logging in, but it kicks me off as soon as I leave the log-in page. Anyone got any pointers?--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.26|67.142.174.26]] 00:06, 5 November 2010 (EDT)

I even tried creating a new username, and it still kicks me off whenever I leave the "log-in successful" page. What's going on?--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.24|67.142.174.24]] 12:57, 14 November 2010 (EST)
:Which browser are you using? Check to make sure you don't have cookies disabled for this site, and that the cookies are being created when you log in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:45, 14 November 2010 (EST)

I appreciate the reply. Now, bear with, me I'm somewhat technologicaly impaired. What are cookies and how do I turn them on?-Megatron Prime

:That depends on which browser you're using. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:37, 15 November 2010 (EST)

uh...the big blue E. Internet Explorer. I think. Does that count or is it not a browser?-Megatron Prime
:OK, go into your PC's control panel, open up the "Internet Options" icon, and look on the "Privacy" tab. There should be a slider at the top, that should be set to "Medium". Next click on the "Advanced" button immediately below it, and make sure that the "override cookie handling" tickbox isn't ticked. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:58, 15 November 2010 (EST)

No, that didn't work.-Megatron Prime
:Sounds like those are set right anyway. In your internet options, in the "General" tab, there's a "Browsing history" section. If you click "Settings" in that bit, you'll get another window titled "Temporary Internet Files and History Settings". There should be a "View Files" button there, which will give you a list of files. Look for one called "cookie:something@tfwiki.net", and look to the right and see what it has in the "Expires" column. You may need to doublecheck that the date and time on your computer are set correctly, because the login cookies are set to expire after a month. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:36, 17 November 2010 (EST)

No "cookies" anywhere in that list. Is there a way to fix that here?
P.S. I really appreciate the help. Sorry it's a hastle-Megatron Prime--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.22|67.142.174.22]] 00:02, 18 November 2010 (EST)
== WFC in sidebar ==
How much longer is that going to stay there? The game came out nearly 5 months ago and there is no more news about it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:51, 17 November 2010 (EST)

Talk:Scourge (G1)

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==The Identity of Scourge==

"He was created by Unicron from the remains of Skywarp."

We're not going to start this argument again, are we? BTW, he was amde from Thundercracker :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

That's what I get for going off the top of my head. But yeah, you're right, I guess we best avoid any "Bombshell is Cyclonus and Rumble is red!" debates.--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, so the recent Transformers the Animated Movie #2 clearly shows Thundercracker getting turned into Scourge...should that be reflected in this article or does the new movie adaptation have no bearing on the old movie and subsequent cartoon continuity? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
: It should be mentioned. The adaptation corresponds to what the animation shows anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

*Aiight, I made a small note of it. If anyone wants to tool around with that, be my guest. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's ever really been that contested that Scourge was Thundercracker. It'd certainly be the one that people argue the LEAST about, anyway. I have, like, a whole Scourge article written up at Wikipedia. If anyone wanted to copy it over, wouldn't stop yer... can't muster the enthusiasm for it, meself. Though kindly ignore the massacred Cybertron bit. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
: I moved it from the profile to the Animated continuity section, since it's not universal. Scourge existed concurrently with Thundercracker in the Dreamwave comics, and he seems to be just an normal Decepticon (also concurrent with the Seekers) in the Hearts of Steel continuity. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

== IDW ==
Is there nothing more to be said about the IDW continuity? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:10, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'm not sure how much more there is to say about a character that gets a one line of dialogue mention that doesn't do more than establish he exists. (The line doesn't even include anything about his personality, IIRC.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:13, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::Well, can you tell from the context if he a regular member of the Decepticon ranks and not some undead explorer or something? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>digs up comic*
:::"You're stalling. We've beaten the only real threat we've ever faced. I can see what's coming. So can you. Who will it be? Scourge? Who would have thought the worst move you could have made would be to win?"
:::...so I guess we could maybe add an extra line saying that Starscream thinks Scourge might want to challenge Megatron for command? That's it, though. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:22, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

==Are you seriously telling me...==
Nobody found a way to link [[Canon|Non-canon]] in the section about whether or not his cannon is a cannon?

== Toy Image ==

Why do we have that image for his ''Generations/United'' toy? I'm sure we've all seen the waaaay better one at TFW2005.com-Megatron Prime--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.22|67.142.174.22]] 20:50, 16 November 2010 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

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Talk:Cliffjumper (G1)

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Very amusing, that he "hates traitors," but a bit random, perhpas? What's the context for this joke? I never knew this about him. I always thought he was one of those (many) Transformers whose personality could be described as "impulsive," "brash," etc.[[User:24.21.139.41|24.21.139.41]] 06:52, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::In a G1 episode called ''Traitor'' (funnily enough), Cliffjumper accuses Mirage of being a traitor on some pretty spurious evidence and becomes obsessed with this notion for the rest of the episode (even Prime's telling him to pack it in). The start of Dreamwave's second miniseries had him accusing Mirage of the same thing, and just like before the other Autobots aren't really joining him. For parts of online fandom, it's probably even ''more'' famous thanks to the parodic exaggeration of it in ''Transformers: World's Worst''. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 07:35, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Yep, this wiki makes lots of jokes, but we're actually accurate with our information. Though I think it would help if somebody bothered to actually write about that episode in Cliffjumper's animated bio. Hmm, I'll see what I can do. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:06, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
::This trait's played upon pretty heavily in the Fun Publications comic, too, although we haven't gotten around to writing in anything for that yet.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 21:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey in the worlds smallest line is the red repaint of bumble bee considered to be cliffjumper, with his past as a bumble bee repaint I could see this happening.

I wouldn't think so, but what do others think? ----Bumpjumper-----

== Cliffjumper after 'Transformers: The Movie' ==

I've could of sworn I saw Cliffjumper in 'Five Faces of Darkness, Part One'. I thought I saw him and Jazz running in the backgroud behind Kup during the attack at the intergalactic olympics.

Of course, it's being a long time ago since I saw that episode and I didn't notice Windcharger (I didn't know about him being in 'FFOD, Pt. 1' until recently).

== G2 Cliffjumper Toy? ==

I could swear that when I was younger, I had a cliffjumper toy (this was between '92 and '94) that was a redeco of bumblebee. I specifically remember it, because I had both of them and took them everywhere with me since they were two of my favorite characters (and I could easily fit them in my pockets, too). Is it possible that it was released in limited quantities?
:You're probably thinking of the G2 [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] toy. There never was a G2 Cliffjumper, nor was Cliffjumper ever a repaint of Bumblebee until the Classics toy came about in 2006. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:05, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Ah... that would explain it. Why the hell didnt they just release cliffjumper instead? I mean, I dont even remember hubcap...

== Mini-Bust ==

I've wanted to make this his mini-bust pic caption for a while:

"Make war, not love!"

Thoughts?--[[Special:Contributions/75.219.185.71|75.219.185.71]] 00:17, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

If I don't hear any objections, can I consider that a "go ahead a change it"?--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.22|67.142.174.22]] 22:57, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Tantrum (G1)

2010-09-28T02:53:38Z

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Pete from the club said that this Tantrum is dead in the Timelines comic, and the Tantrum we see is a "descendent", so don't we need a seperate page for him? This page treats them as one character. [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 21:41, 22 November 2009 (EST)

== IDW ==

I have the BW omnibus, and i can't find that symbol that's supposed to be on the wall with the other four predacon faces. Was that changed in the omnibus for some reason?--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.22|67.142.174.22]] 22:53, 27 September 2010 (EDT)