Talk:Hasbro Q&A/September 2010: Answers

2010-11-02T02:50:44Z

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So, does this [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74182 and this] mean they're clearing out the singularity cruft? Fallen (Prime), Unicron (Prime), etc ahoy? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 15:42, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:''Unfortunately'' it appears so. (I say this because 1. I liked the concept and 2. I won't get to see pics of Starfield eating his hat now) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::LOL! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:52, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::I wonder if sometimes Hasbro just wants to say, "Just buy the (expletive) merchandise!"? Retconning can be tough sometimes. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:53, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:: It doesn't appear so to me, at all, and I am frankly semi-baffled that so many other people are reading it that way. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

::: If so many people are reading it one way, maybe it's because ''it's the natural way to read it'', and trying to read it otherwise is akin to [http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2008/1777.html arguing that "was under the impression" means "had been impressed upon" rather than "believed"]? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 16:07, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

I think this is a revision of [[canon]]. WFC/Exodus/Prime is the result of the G1, RiD, UT and Animated universal clusters collapsing together to become one universe. The films are the exception of course, as stated by Archer in that TFW2005 WFC interview. They said there is only 1 Fallen, which is to imply the G1 one is non-canon, because Dreamwave of course no longer in business. We've all noticed Hasbro was very lax on what constituted a separate [[character]] than our criteria. This is perhaps the clincher. The multiverse in Hasbro's view only consists of the Prime and live-action film series continuities: everything else is only a memory.

Regarding splitting Unicron and Primus, I reckon there won't be a need to, since they're gods, and Vector Prime likewise because whether one likes multiversal singularities or not because he is a dimension hopper. The Fallen is blatant there: there is only one Fallen. Alpha, well, seems he's stuck in the one expanding and crunching universe. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:55, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Surely there are now (at least) two Fallens based on the Allspark answer - a "modern continuity" one going forward, and another one with no relevance to the "modern continuity" from the DW comics, ja? (the movie one may or may not be the DW one) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 16:07, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Unsure, but if Prime is a separate multiverse from everything else in the omniverse, then it's maddening because we've waited years to learn about the 13, but now without guarantee it's the exact same backstory of the ones we've encountered before. I'd really prefer common sense here: the 13 rarely appear in fiction and I'd prefer articles for the one character (from a conventional perspective) to be together, just as the diverse G1 incarnations are all discussed in the same page. If it were up to me, articles would be [[Optimus Prime/G1]], [[Optimus Prime/Movie]] because this is clearly how Hasbro would do it, and only really off-the-wall ones like SG Optimus would be bracketed. I still feel Alpha Trion should an article for all the non-evil ones, I mean how useless are [[Alpha Trion (RID)|these]] [[Alpha Trion (ROTF)|pages]]? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:25, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::Believe it or not, I actually predicted this entire retconning from part of Hasbro when the entire "[[Soundblaster (Cybertron)]] may not be a Prime afterall" thing, happened. However, this explanation is not consistent with the answer they gave us about the Fallen some time ago. So this marks the date, when Transformers continuity as a whole was ruined forever by Hasbro (G1 was ruined forever by Beast Machines, but we still had some other universes). Sometimes the thruth may be more terrifying to know than not knowing anything at all. Oh, and the Power Core Combiners question was better than that about Unicron's missiles.- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 16:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:My take on this is that what we were told before remains in effect for the previous universes. The new "aligned continuity" is a separate thing from all prior TF fiction. Thus, while the Fallen from the aligned continuity may not be the same as the Fallen from before the G1 Fallen remains the same as the Movie-verse Fallen. Just my two cents (worth about 0.03 cents due to inflation). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:10, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::So we leave Primus and Unicron the same, continue to never give a shit about the majority of the 13 who had never been named or appeared in anything, and stop having to tie our brains into knots over Alpha Trion and the Fallen. I don't see a problem with this at all. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:49, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::I've got to agree with KilMichaelC - the only way I can think to read this is "for the Prime series, we're going to say there's only one of (Alpha Trion/Megatronus Prime), and we haven't defined the 13 for this series and might not explicitly mention the concept, ''just like in most of the other continuities''". I can't see how this could possibly be read to say that there are multiples of the Thirteen in the multiverse, and I can't even wrap my mind around the concept in the first place.[[Special:Contributions/68.58.50.173|68.58.50.173]] 21:02, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::And I can't see any possible way their answers can be read other than "past information may not necessarily be true anymore, we don't care about multiversal singularities and you shouldn't either." They're never going to talk about it again. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:13, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Exactly. They are ignoring the concept for now (or for the entire series), just like they did with everything before the Unicron trilogy, and most things after it.[[Special:Contributions/67.163.2.212|67.163.2.212]] 22:50, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

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