Talk:Waspinator (BW)

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2/21/07: Ok, let's discuss this instead of getting into an endless reversion war. Why can't the silly all s's to z's change be allowed? How is it any worse than say the constant rhyming on Wheelie's page?
:: Because it makes the article a pain in the ass to read? At least that seems to be the reason it got edited last time--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 03:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this a little more acceptable?

Why is Waspy in the "Toys 'R' Us Exclusives" category? As far as I know, unless you count the TRU-Japan-Exclusive version of Thrust, all of Waspinator's toys thus far have been general releases, save for the upcoming Botcon version.

You know, I missed the typo in the Botcon comic "Excecute jump now" panel there. Thanks alot. Now I'll be saying 'excecute' all day. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The very first round of Fox Kids BW toys were TRU-only, which included Waspinator. -- M Sipher

:I can't prove that you're wrong but I'm sure you are. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::I also greatly question this assertion as I can find nothing to corroborate it. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

::: If memory serves I got my Fox Kid's Rhinox at Target. Even if memory ''doesn't'' serve, Waspy probably should be taken out of this category until some proof is dug up. I won't take him out myself, but I think someone should consider it. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 00:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stinger ==

If I'm not mistaken, stinger = sharpened ovipositor.. and ovipositor = egg-laying tube.. and therefore ovipositor = vagina.. which means Wazzpinator is a girl-altmoder like Tigatron!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:Male wasps/hornets still have stings.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, male wasps do not have stings because stings are modified ovipositors, which only females have. The anonymous poster is correct in that Waspinator's beast form is female. Some may find this interesting, but it should really come as no surprise. About half of the beast warriors probably have female beast modes, seeing as females usually make up approximately half of most species' populations. So far, I can positively sex the beast forms of Tigatron (female), Waspinator (female), Inferno (female), Blackarachnia (female), and Cheetor (male). I don't know about the rest though. It doesn't really matter, but it's still somewhat interesting.--[[User:General Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]] 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Since none of the (mammalian) beast forms have external genitals I assumed they were all female. Aside from Stampy's "Kick him in the unmentionables!" quote in ''The Ascending'' I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Immortality? ==

I think it might be crazy and I just came up with it like 2 seconds ago but I think that Waspinator was the one with an immortal spark seriously maybe when Starscream possessed him it gave him a residual effect to survive even the worse of being slag. or maybe he is just lucky/unlucky.
[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 11:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:...what? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::I think he's saying that Waspinator's apparent immortality may be an after effect of being possessed by Starscream. [[User:24.207.234.189|24.207.234.189]] 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No,he's saying starscream became immortal AFTER posessing the undefeatable waspinator. Which makes no sense whatsoever because if his spark was there he was already immortal. I don't think this guy knows G1 exists.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Though Waspinator getting blown to scrap rather predates that episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a theory, but maybe Waspinator had a "differentiated" spark, just like [[Frenzy (Movie)|a certain little skittering spaz]]. If ''he'' can survive being decapitated multiple times, what's to say Waspy wasn't built to the same specs, as it were? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character-Voice Version? ==

So, is it consensus that the character-voice intro paragraphs are better than more normal ones? I'd prefer the non-voice version. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:In some cases, yes. In this case, definitely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::This one really is kinda difficult to read. At very least it needs to be edited down. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I would prefer going back to the non-character voice version. Maybe if the Tenth Anniversary bio hadn't already done it, I'd like seeing it here better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wazzpinator ''like'' hizz page zzerved with extra Z. [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking zz at this as it currently stands? zzz The intro zzzz looks zzz AWFUL. I mean, it is seriously zzzz almost zzzz impossible zzzzzz to read. I don't think zzzz the character zzz voice adds zzzz ''anything'' zzzz to the page, and makes zzz it very ugly and hard zzzz to follow. I vote for purging it entirely. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with removing the "z"s, but lets keep it in his character voice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to use the Zs in the opening character overview? I kind of liked them there and thought it was fittingly amusing. I agree that using it throughout the entire article is major overkill, though. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::It never ''was'' in his character voice. Someone just did a search-and-replace on the letter "S", and made a couple of minor grammar edits -- but it was never re-written to sound like something Waspinator would actually say. If it's going to be a character voice intro, it needs to be done ''right'', not just a crude, hard-to-read port of what's already written. That also means it has to be ''better'' than what's up there now, which if I may say so is pretty good. The character POV's a cute idea, but the execution thus far has left much to be desired. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you guys mostly, but his ''quote'' should probably have the z's. After all, angry archer is in ye olde english and wheelie is IN RHYME.[[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunno if it helpszz, but when doing BW fancomicszzz I found that an "s" followed by two or three "z"s uszzually got the messzzzage acrosszz
without being too difficult to read, and conveyed Waszzpinator'szzz voice perfectly. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Although szzoft 'c'szz are difficult to reproduce, szzee "voice" above, and indeed "reproduce" in thiszz szzzentence. And in "szzzentence". Gah. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Waspy Transmetal needs own page? ==

According to the final BW profile book TM Waspy is a seperate alternate reality version that is perminantly possesed by the spark of Starscream (the Starscream of our universe) and engaged in a constant struggle between the Screamer and Waspy personalities in his Transmetal form. Sooo our policy is that alt. reality varients get seperate pages right? We need a "Waspinator (Transmetal)" page now? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:Man, as if Prowl II wasn't enough... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::Just take something that will counter the headache ''before'' you read it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Alternate reality variants"?? Y'mean like... IDW Scorponok vs G1 comics Scorponok? Seems to me he'd just get a separate fiction section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>[[Tankor (Decepticon)]]</nowiki> vs [[Tankor (BM)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah that, and many others ([[Galvatron II]] anyone) was the sort of thing I was envisioning. It raises an interesting question. Where is that line? Between seperate continuities of the same character (same page) vs. alternate reality versions (seperate pages).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::And again, that's a decision I contest for this very reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But IDW transmetal Waspy is still from the G1 continuity family. I'd say this is more Marvel Prime vs. G1 Cartoon Prime than Marvel Prime vs. RID cartoon Prime. Plus, Waspinator appeared in Transmetal form in a video game. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::But again, how is this different from Galvy II mentioned above, or the Tankor, or many of the Universe and other Alt. Relaity varients that already have their own page? I don't really care which way we do it, honestly, but I DO think we should be consistant. We need to pick some clear rules for this: when a character is Alt. enough to have his own page and when he is just a varient on the main page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think we need to merge the Tankors and Obsidians together, and treat these alternate universe versions of the same character like we do all the other alternate universe versions (cartoon vs comic) of the same character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd kinda agree. In particular, I've always thought it was really strange to have a separate page under this made-up "Galvatron II" title. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Galvatron II isn't "made-up," it's the name of the eHobby toy. Furman had previously used it in Alignment, which itself doesn't count, but that's where eHobby got it from. Anyway, Sourcebook TM Waspinator does not seem to be a distinct character warranting a page of his own, just sections on Waspy and Starscream's pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, Galvatron II gets his own toy, and is running around in a universe where there's already another Galvatron and a Megatron. He gets his own page partly to avoid tremendous confusion and because he's got his own name. Sorta. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated page? ==

With him having appeared in the cartoon now,in Arabia,does animated waspinator finally deserve a page?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Considering that we aren't even sure if his name is "Wasp" or "Waspinator", I'd say no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ok,well at least we know there is A waspinator in TFA. Just have to wait for his name. By the way,are you also hoping he will keep his cybertronian alt mode?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't care about his alternate mode, nor do I think my liking of it needs to be discussed here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok,i was just saying. Cause a Cybertron mode Bumblebee retool would be ''right'' around the corner.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my foot down. This does not belong on this page. We can do an Animated page if and when the episode airs, but I am sick and tired of these leaks from Dubai and rumors making this page look unprofessional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:In addition to that, we don't really know if his name is even Waspinator, since all the reports I've seen just call him Wasp.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well then you ''clean up'' the page,not remove the trivia just because ''you're bored with it''. You told me yourself, you are not an admin,so stop trying to be one.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I am going to have to agree with [[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]], Animated Waspy should get his own page like every other character in this wiki. We don't put Movie Prime on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] page because ''they're not the same character.'' Do y'all get what I'm going at here?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with Rosi. A different character with a different name and a different appearance, from a different continuity, who may or may not be appearing in an episode none of us have actually seen? Yah, he does not belong on this page. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You two haven't even read a word in this conversation,Rosicrucian is saying Wasp should ''not'' get a page,while i'm saying he should.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I am saying he shouldn't get a page until we have the full episode aired in North America so that the information is readily available and not subject to the whims and misconceptions of a rabid Transformers fan straining his eyes to make out a patchy broadcast from Dubai. The reason I believe this is because, and this is crucial, ''it lets the maximum number of users check each other's work''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's a language barrier, but at no point did I say I was bored with it. I said I was ''tired of it'', by which I mean I'm tired of people adding this crapola. It doesn't take an admin to remove a trivia item that ''doesn't belong on this page in the first place.''--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::. . . No, he said, "This does not belong on '''this''' page." I think we all agree that, once one of us has seen the episode, we should create a page for "Wasp" or whatever his name is. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Except,y'know. The ep aired already,just not in slow-ass america.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you've seen it, please feel free to add the info to this wiki. If all the info you have is second-hand, please don't. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So you people are saying that all news that did not appear in the USA first is inferior news? I find that racist,i'm not gonna bother replying to that anymore.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Y'know, I'm also sick and tired of people not understanding that users checking each other's work is the biggest thing that makes Wikis viable, and folks trotting out the "racist" label when they're losing an argument. We don't need this crap.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Rhinox, we welcome contributions from anyone who has firsthand knowledge, Arabic, American, Canadian, Japanese, or Nebulan. What ''you'' have is rumor, because you haven't seen the episode. Also, please remember that you are the New Guy here, so you should try to be less confrontational, especially when we're being polite. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think a guy called Magmatron on TFW2005 saw it, but usince we've zero information about Wasp, might not wanna add it. Although I do think adding information we can definetely confirm from those early airings is valid. [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.04 May 12 2008 (GMT)

I'm going to give an example here. Take a typical weekend in which a new episode of TFA airs in Canada or the US. We spend the entire weekend (and sometimes much of the week) double-checking the episode summary, the character fiction sections, and making sure the article holds up and doesn't contain too much cruft. It's a community effort, and often a lot of stuff has to be corrected or just plain cut because the people watching the episode are ''fallible''. All of us. I am not excluded from this.

Now imagine that same episode article and character information is being added for a leaked episode broadcast in Dubai. Maybe five people in the Transformers community have seen it. Maybe only one of those is a user on this Wiki. Maybe he's not even a user on this wiki and the users here are just using his fan summary he posted on one of the news sites. Can the users on this wiki correct him if he's got a misconception about what he's seen? What if he assumes that the tank guy with the turret on his head is Omega Supreme and makes an Omega Supreme character page? Can we call him on his mistaken assumption? It just doesn't work out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:You know, if someone here is simply throwing up misinformation and starting fights and hurling insults repeatedly, despite numerous warnings, there ''is'' something to be done about it... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm probably wasting my breath trying to explain myself to someone who just said "I'm not going to reply anymore because you're all racists."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC):::::::
Osnap, it aired on UK what do we do now?
:There will soon be a page at [[Wasp]]. If he at any point changes his name, we'll move it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
==Waspinator to Waspinator (BW)==
Now that Wasp has become Waspinator in Animated, I'm in favor of this article being Waspinator (BW). Even if the Animated article is left at [[Wasp]] (there is currently debate as to renaming it), I think it could be potentially confusing leaving the (BW) off this article. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 02:59, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:How would it be confusing? Is it confusing to have 1000 Optimus Prime pages, or should we put them into one article? This isn't the ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, it's the ''Animated'' Waspinator. ''Two totally different continuities''. Go to the search bar and type in Waspinator and it'll bring up [[Waspinator (BW)]] and [[Waspinator (Animated)]].--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::Loudstone is right, though. We have two Waspinator pages. Each needs to have a parenthetical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep. Policy is clear on this. The move has now been performed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

==Return to Cybertron==
Just how did Waspinator make it back to Cybertron after the end of Beast Wars? Assuming I did my calculations right, if Waspinator had four million years, he would have only been able to make it to Alpha Centauri if he were flying at the speed of sound.

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