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Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

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== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
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[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added?

Talk:Vince

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== Last Name? ==

After Vince referred to Jack as "Darby", Jack referred to Vince as "Finney". Should this be used on the article's main page? --[[Special:Contributions/68.200.62.165|68.200.62.165]] 11:35, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Relatives

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== Beast Wars Neo crew ==

My understanding was that the Angolmois energy was what the BW2 Maximals used to create the Neo races. It had been used in that manner before (LCjr,BC,Magma), they had reason to have it, and how else WOULD THEY have turned organic creatures into TFs? Is there any reason to believe it wasn't the Angolmois? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 17:45, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:It was never explained in comic. The only things we could learn from the comic for sure are:
# Big was effected by the Angolmois energy and evolved by Lio Convoy.
# Magmatron and his force were effected and evovled by the Angolmois energy.
# Cohrada is the only one whose home planet has the Capsule. But the connection between the evolution and the capsule is unclear. We could only assume maybe they are connected.
:The rest of the species like penguins, rabbits, giraffes, and Tanuki were evolved by Bighorn, Kid, Apache, and Diver respectively. The comic only mentioned they did it but never explained how, though. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 17:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

== About the Gods ==
Uh, I just remove the Gods because the introduction section is most all around the Transformer race only. (Alhough Gods' physical bodies are Transformers, but they are quite different to the Transformers constitutionally, esp. Chronarchitect seems has no Transformer body.) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 04:03, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

==Rid==

uh, why does the Rid section use the japanese names?

==More brothers==
Didn't the bios for [[Rodimus (Energon)]] and [[Inferno (Energon)]] say they were brothers? [[User:90.192.94.228|90.192.94.228]] 14:46, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

==Bumblebee and Wasp==
It's stated in [[Autoboot Camp]] that [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Wasp]] came from the same protoform. Does that technically make them siblings? Cousins perhaps? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 17:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:Same Protoform mold. Clampdown and Deepcover considered themselves brother because they were based on the same model- but that seems to also be their ''choice''. In most cases family bonds for TF seems to be one they ''choose'' to form, not ones that are thrust upon them. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:16, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

==Optimus and Megatron==
In one of those titan comics [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] said that they aren't brothers and only referred to each other as that because they've known eachother for so long. It's kind of like [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] calling [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] that. Also, why does ''other relatives'' mention Jetfire's father? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 13:48, 28 May 2010 (EDT)
:I wonder if there was ever a source that said more definitively that they were brothers in a way that couldn't be interpreted as them just calling each other that. Maybe something lost to the internets, like an old version of Hasbro's online Timeline. I can check the [[Ghosts of Yesterday]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:46, 28 May 2010 (EDT)
::No nothing in Ghosts of Yesterday. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:51, 5 June 2010 (EDT)
:According to Megatron's page, in [[The Quest for the AllSpark]] they are called twin brothers, which can't really be interpreted as them just calling each other brothers. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:09, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

== "Uncle by"? ==

What does this mean? "Optimus Prime and Megatron's great great great great great great...great grandfather or uncle by Jetfire in Revenge of the Fallen." I have no idea what an "uncle by" is. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:51, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

:"Stated by", "Said by", or "Mentioned by" perhaps? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
::Doesn't seem to fit the context. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:21, 30 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, uncle isn't a verb. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:26, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

== Ironhide's Brother ==

I think that Ironhide didn't mean "brother from another batch proto-initiator" literally. It sounds a lot like the term "brother from another mother". Just saying--[[Special:Contributions/68.200.62.165|68.200.62.165]] 11:51, 12 January 2011 (EST)

Talk:Transformers Animated: The Adventure Continues! Volume 1

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Ohh please let this be the awesomeness which it sounds to be... --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 23:24, 5 March 2010 (EST)
:The product description refers to "season 3".... so it looks like it'll just be the third season's worth of episodes, in Screenshot Comic format. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:22, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
::Which already started in another solicited book, so, uh more season 3? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:28, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
:::The last volume we have a page for is 13, which has the season 2 finale. Has 14 been released? Could this be it re-titled? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:33, 23 March 2010 (EDT)
::::Volume 14 is due [http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Animated-14-IDW/dp/160010617X/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269376757&sr=1-6 March 29th]. The Adventure Continues happens to have the same number of pages (112) as the other volumes of the screenshot comics. (by contrast, the Arrival TPB has 152 pages) --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:37, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Amazon link is broken. Item pre-order page no longer exists. Is still on Amazon UK, though. [http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transformers-Animated-Adventure-Continues-Vol/dp/1600107508/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276029856&sr=8-1] {{unsigned|75.28.55.135|8 June 2010}}

:This remains conspicuously absent from IDW's September and October solicitations. Maybe it's been cancelled? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:48, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::Hope not. Even if (as speculated above) it's just a screenshot comic, the reference material could be useful. If it has been cancled I may just die. [[User:ElasticPoodle|ElasticPoodle]] 21:46, 26 October 2010
:::According to Diamond Distribution [http://www.comiclist.com/index.php/lists/idw-publishing-extended-forecast-for-10-20-2010 it has been canceled]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:18, 26 October 2010 (EDT)

Aw ''MAN!'' I was so looking forward to this!--[[Special:Contributions/68.200.62.165|68.200.62.165]] 17:33, 8 December 2010 (EST)

Fan fiction

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'''Fan fiction''' (or '''fanfic''') is fiction written by fans of a property, without the explicit approval of the copyright holder. This allows for many fans to do what they please with the material that they are fiddling, be it to make a serious and epic story or to just plain mess around and play with their little fantasies. Needless to say, not all fanfics are good, but which are and which aren't is up to the reader's discretion.

===Topics===
Over the years, an incredibly wide variety of ''Transformers'' fanfic has been written, including straightforward adventure stories, crossovers with other properties, parodies, incredibly creepy stories in which gruesome acts of [[Decepticon]]-on-[[fleshling]] violence are described in tender, loving detail[http://shortpacked.com/comic/book-1-brings-back-the-80s/06-mrs-greg-killmaster/a-61/], and, of course, "erotica" of varying degrees of [[Slag (slang)|slagged]]-upness. Many female [[Human|humans]] have taken to writing romantic fanfic either about [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Alexis]]/themselves, or [[Autobot|any]] [[Decepticon|given]] male character with any other male character. Hot.

====Popular Transformers fanfic topics====
*'''Self-insertion.''' Guess what, you're a Transformer, and everyone likes you the best. Here, have the [[Matrix]].
*'''Fan-written episodes.''' Can range from one story mimicking the structure of a television episode to an entire fake season. Usually in script form.
*'''[[Transformer romance|Romance]].''' Pick two Transformers characters. Have them make out.
*'''Extra-humanized Transformers.''' Sisters! Cousins! Babies! Almost a subcategory of "romance," since adding even more organic-like components to Transformers really helps along the sexual intercourse.
*'''Crossovers.''' Because civilization is not complete until Soundwave somehow becomes human and enrolls at Riverdale High.
*'''Character-driven stories.''' What does Cosmos think about when he's alone in space? What's a typical day for Big Daddy?
*'''Absolute fanwanking.''' A nerd's nerd will write these, and they probably involve things like [[Berko]] or [[Forestonite]]. How does everything fit together? Let's connect the dots, The Question-style.
*'''Humanformers.''' The title says all.
===Hard work pays off===
In recent years, a few Transformers fanfic writers have made the jump to writing [[Hasbro]]-sanctioned fiction, including [[Ben Yee]], [[Greg Sepelak]], [[Trent Troop]], [[Josh van Reyk]] and [[Shaun Knowler]].

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==External links==
*[[wikipedia:Fan_fiction|Fan fiction]] at Wikipedia
*[http://transfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page Transformers Fanon Wiki]
*[http://www.transfictions.net/tffics/index.php Transfictions.net]

[[Category:Fandom]]

Maccadam's Old Oil House

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[[Image:Maccadams old oil house.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"...to be loved by you."]]
For those in the know, sub-level six on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s lower-east quadrant is better known as '''[[Maccadam]]'s Old Oil House'''--the biggest single source of black market fuel on Cybertron. Its main attraction, beyond the [[Maccadam's bartender|excellent service]] and the fuel itself, is that the proprietors make no distinction between [[Autobot|Autobots]], [[Neutral|Neutralists]] and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]]. If you can pay, you can stay.

And they have a [[Piano Transformer guy|harpsichord]] that turns into a robot. You don't get much cooler than that.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
''The [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] liked to visit there on their downtime. They went there when wondering whether or not to go ahead with [[Operation: Volcano]], and [[Twin Twist]] renewed their spirits when he refused to let [[Fang|a Decepticon]] bully one of the staff. {{storylink|Target: 2006|Target: 2006}}''

''When [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] rose to power, he ended Maccadam's status as a neutral area. {{storylink|Out to Lunch!|Out to Lunch!}}''

''Feeling like losers, [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing]] chose to drink away their sorrows at Maccadam's Old Oil House. The [[Mecannibal|Mecannibals]] followed them to the pub, eating their way past [[Rocky]], the bouncer. The Mecannibals immediately began tearing up the joint, with the pair of inebriated Decepticons blissfully unaware of the chaos around them. Luckily, [[Quickswitch]] was present and leapt into action. After a brief skirmish, Quickswitch used his tunneling mode to bury the Mecannibals alive deep underground.'' {{storylink|Out to Lunch!|Out to Lunch!}}

====Classics====
{{storylink|The New World}}

===Dreamwave Generation 1 comics===

===''Universe''===
Following the [[Great Reformatting]], [[Rattrap]] offered to share a vat of vintage oil from Maccadam's with [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]. {{storylink|Abduction}}

===Prime Spark===
Maccadam's is a dimensional nexus where Transformer faction leaders from all the alternate realities can go for boozing and shmoozing after they die. If they are brought back to life in their own timeline, they exit the bar. Particularly significant characters have a tab waiting for them. {{storylink|Prime Spark|Prime Spark}}

===''Cybertron'' comic===
[[Crush Groove]] and [[Jackhammer (Cybertron)|Jackhammer]] successfully pulled the heist of the century, breaking into Maccadam's Old Oil House and stealing all the Energon and oil they'd ever need.

Or at least, it ''would'' have been the heist of the century, if they hadn't waited for everyone to evacuate due to the [[Unicron Singularity]]. Even ''then'' it would have still been good for bragging rights if they hadn't immediately been killed by [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe 2003)|Nemesis Prime]].

Crime just doesn't pay. {{storylink|Balancing Act (issue)|Balancing Act}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Image:ThisIsWhyIHateMachines-Maccadams.jpg|left|thumb|300px|A cross-factional bar isn't as impressive on an all-Autobot Cybertron.]]
Maccadam's Oil House was the place for [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|some]] to unwind and talk trash about [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|others]] after a long and boring funeral. {{storylink|Dispatches}}

Later, [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]] were accidentally transported via the [[Space Bridge]] to a location on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] not far from the bar. Ratchet was intent on visiting his favorite "greasy valve", but Sentinel Prime had closed Maccadam's Old Oil House (and other "subversive" locations) for security reasons.
{{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}
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==Notes==
* Maccadam's Old Oil House is a location in both [[Transformers Monopoly]] and [[Risk]].
* How is it possible to have oil on a metal planet only inhabited by robots?
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