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Silverbolt (Fuzor)

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:''Silverbolt is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

[[Image:Silverboltfuzor.jpg|right|350px|thumb|He was on "The Daily Show" before Jon Stewart. For real.]]
"Pure, strong, and fast," '''Silverbolt''''s sense of right and wrong is so overdeveloped his fellow Maximals wonder if his programming has a glitch. He speaks in lofty platitudes of chivalry, nobility, and idealized heroism; his speeches make even [[Optimus Primal]] roll his optics. His conviction is both his strength and his weakness. He sees the world in black and white—and not just because his beast mode is partly canine. The only gray area for Silverbolt is [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]. His fierce love for the "evil" [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] causes him to question his preconceived notions of right and wrong. He was very proud of his ability to convert Blackarachnia to the Maximals, and, though most of the Maximals are skeptical of her loyalty to the cause and to him, he has nothing but faith in her.

{{bigquote|Though threatening your own comrade is no doubt business as usual in the Predacon guide to villainy... it is simply unacceptable behavior in ''my'' book!|Silverbolt|"[[Bad Spark]]"}}

:''French name:'' '''Vif-Argent''' ("Quicksilver", Canada)
:''Chinese name:'' '''Yín Láng''' (銀狼, "Silver Wolf", Taiwan, ''Beast Machines''), '''Yín Shǎn-dìan''' (銀閃電, "Silver Bolt", Taiwan, ''Beast Machines'')
:''Italian name:'' '''Grifo'''
:''Spanish name:'' '''Rayo De Plata''' ("Ray of Silver", toy), '''Lobo Plateado''' ("Silver-plated Wolf", cartoon)
:''Polish name:'' '''Srebrny Grom'''

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese), [[Bruno Rocha]] (Portuguese) [[Marco Pagani]] (Italian)

[[Image:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|250px|thumb|The more you know! ''(da da da daaaaa)'']]
The explosion caused by the destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] sent all stasis pods crashing to Earth. Some pods' scanners were damaged in the shock wave and eventual crash-landing, resulting in the Fuzors, a blend of two beast forms and the advanced Transmetal technology. One of these Fuzors was the winged wolf Silverbolt, while his neighbor was the violent, psychotic cobra-scorpion [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], who immediately picked a fight with the peaceful Silverbolt upon their activation. The fight was interrupted by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], who tricked both Fuzors and recruited them into the Predacons. Silverbolt felt the faction's activation code and Megatron's orders to attack the passing [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] to be distasteful (seeing how the cat had not attacked them), earning furious punishment from the Predacon leader. Soon, he and the other Predacons faced the remaining Maximals in battle. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}

Silverbolt and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] were sent on to attack the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' directly, only for Silverbolt to be shot down by the ship's auto-guns. To his surprise, the Maximals took him back to their base for repairs, rather than finish him off. This act of compassion and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]'s own admission of defection led him to make an important decision and he joined the Maximals, saving the newly reborn [[Optimus Primal]] from Megatron. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}

[[Image:Tangled Web Silverbolt.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Brave, strong, fast ... and never without utensils.]]
Soon afterwards, while on patrol with the much more laid-back [[Rattrap]] (who spent a lot of the time pointedly ignoring Silverbolt's lines of honor and virtue), Silverbolt encountered the alluring Blackarachnia
when [[Tarantulas]] and Quickstrike were attempting to set up a forward base. She was somewhat surprised by his complete refusal to strike her simply because she was a female and used it to her advantage to attack him. However, the Maximal had no such compunction against fighting the coarse Quickstrike. {{storylink|Tangled Web|Tangled Web}}

During another mission, Silverbolt was shot down by Waspinator, who was prevented from taking the Maximal away by Rattrap. Silverbolt was able to return to base to fetch Optimus, and the pair were in time to prevent Dinobot, who had attempted to defect back to the Predacons, from being slagged by Megatron. {{storylink|Maximal, No More}} Silverbolt and Optimus arrived at an alien site unfortunately much too late to prevent [[Tigatron]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] from being abducted. They returned to the alien site later, and were blasted by an [[Metal Hunter|alien construct]] which appeared there. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 1)}} Silverbolt and Cheetor, recovering quickly from the blast by virtue of their [[Transmetal]] properties, returned to the ''Axalon'' carrying [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and Dinobot. They would later take part in a diversionary assault on the Metal Hunter in order to allow Rattrap and Tarantulas to slip inside and rescue Primal. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}}

[[Image:BadSpark battle-damaged Silverbolt.jpg|left|thumb|270px|Blackarachnia likes it rough.]]
The discovery of a stasis pod containing [[Rampage (BW)|Protoform X]] led Silverbolt to once again encounter the dark temptress Blackarachnia, who was less than amused that he refused to fight her. After an energon explosion blasted them both across the jungle, damaging Silverbolt's wings, they were forced to journey together by foot. Silverbolt saved Blackarachnia from a saber-toothed tiger, and she in turn saved him from a nasty fall, however he was unable to get her admit there was any sort of Maximal goodness lurking within her. They soon encountered Protoform X, and Blackarachnia helped the Maximals defeat it, but was knocked off the cliff. Silverbolt once again came to her rescue, despite her protests that she didn't need help. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}

Though not having known Dinobot for long, Silverbolt took part in his funeral. {{storylink|Code of Hero}} While searching for a Predacon jamming tower, Silverbolt protected a stasis pod from [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. The pod contained a strange mutated Transformer which would later be dubbed [[Transmutate (character)|Transmutate]]. Silverbolt appealed to Transmutate that the Maximals offered it friendship, however Transmutate fell in with the Predacons, swayed by Rampage. Transmutate led Silverbolt into a trap, allowing Rampage and Inferno to damage the Fuzor, but joined the Maximals following a rescue mounted by Optimus. Though the other Maximals wanted to put Transmutate into stasis lock, Silverbolt argued strongly against it. After Transmutate was accidentally destroyed by Rampage and Silverbolt who were fighting over the creature, Silverbolt was anguished, and told the other Maximals to leave Rampage to mourn. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}

Silverbolt found himself reluctantly sneaking off to meet with Blackarachnia, providing her with a [[graviton generator]] for the hoversled she was building. Despite his secrecy, the other Maximals seemed all aware of what he was up to, with Rattrap insinuating all sorts of activities. The Maximals were joined by a Predacon secret agent, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], who invited them to help him capture Megatron. During their attack on the ''Darksyde'', Silverbolt again refused to attack Blackarachnia, allowing her to leave the field of battle, much to Primal's annoyance. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}

Though Cheetor was assigned the task of bringing Blackarachnia in, Silverbolt rendered his fellow Maximal unconscious, himself going to find Blackarachnia. Locating her in pursuit of Waspinator, he pleaded with her to join the Maximals, and refused to leave until she did, even after she shot him in the thigh. While they were distracted, the hoversled hit Waspinator, forcing Silverbolt to once again save a disgusted Blackarachnia. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}} He subsequently aided her in digging into the side of a [[Mount St. Hilary|mountain]], to discover within the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. When Megatron arrived, Silverbolt was the playing card to convince Blackarachnia to open the doors to the Ark and allow him inside. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}

[[Image:BWSilverbolt Blackarachnia OptimalSituation.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Damn you, [[Salazar]]! DAMN YOU, SALAZAAAARRR!]]
Soon after, when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was injured enough to cause a time storm, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt used the Ark's systems to start repairs on the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]. Silverbolt helped his fellow Maximals defend the Ark against Megatron and, a short time later, stumbled on Blackarachnia who had been shot by the Predacon leader during his escape. Silverbolt cradled Blackarachnia in his arms, delivering a long melodramatic speech and howling when she went offline... only for the others to point out that she was just in [[stasis lock]] and would be fine once she got some repairs. With the loss of the ''Axalon'', the Maximals moved in to the cavern housing the Ark. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}}

He and Blackarachnia would hang out on sentry duty together. {{storylink|Deep Metal}} Sent on another mission, Silverbolt delivered Rattrap in a [[subaquatic stealth vessel]] to salvage [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] from the remains of the ''Axalon''. Though Rattrap retrieved the module, the pair ran into trouble in the form of the Predacons, and were ultimately prevented from getting away clean when they literally ran into [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard}}

When Cheetor seemed to be developing a crush on Blackarachnia, Silverbolt made no secret of his jealously, especially when the pair were assigned a mission together without him. Cheetor and Blackarachnia quickly got into danger, attacked by Tarantulas and some [[cyber raptor]]s, and naturally Silverbolt was first to come to their aid. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}} Cheetor would later go missing after a dangerous mission with Depth Charge. Though he joined in the search, Silverbolt was jealous at Blackarachnia's apparent concern for their comrade. Confronted by a feral beast, Silverbolt and Rattrap were surprised to be told by Primal that it was Cheetor, upgraded into a [[Transmetal 2]] form by Megatron's [[transmetal driver]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 2}}

The Maximals investigated the possibility of removing Blackarachnia's Predacon shell program, causing her to flee into the woods. Silverbolt convinced Rattrap not to tell the others, so he could find her personally, only to get in the middle of a fight between Blackarachnia and [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]]. Though he and Blackarachnia managed to defeat Dinobot, she was still determined to leave the Maximals, until they revealed that the decision to go through with the procedure to remove her shell program was up to her. {{storylink|Proving Grounds}}

[[Image:CrossingtheRubicon Silverbolt and Blackarachnia in profile.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
Silverbolt interrupted Blackarachnia during an experiment she was attempting to undergo in order to convert herself into a Transmetal 2. The failure of the experiment caused her shell program to degrade, leading the Maximals to attempt the tricky procedure of removing it. Disruption caused by the Predacons caused Blackarachnia's death, and an enraged Silverbolt set out to dismantle Taratulas in retaliation. Though he swiftly defeated Tarantulas, Silverbolt was brought down by Rampage, who was about to finish off the Maximal when a revived and upgraded Blackarachnia arrived to rescue her boyfriend. Silverbolt was overjoyed at her recovery. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}

[[Image:MasterBlaster Silverbolt tongue out.jpg|thumb|right|230px|thumb|Space Invaders is serious business!]]
When Waspinator mounted a solo attack on the Ark, Silverbolt was his only casualty. The attack was simply a diversion to allow Tarantulas to deliver a device to put Quickstrike in control of Optimus Primal. The other Maximals ended up locked in a cage, bar Blackarachnia, who was able to rescue them so that they could help fight off Megatron, who had upgraded himself by stealing the spark of the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}

Following the destruction of the Predacon base, Silverbolt and Depth Charge searched for the Predacons by air. They found their foe, however Depth Charge set off a boobytrap, which damaged Silverbolt. Despite his protests that it was merely a scratch, the fact that his head fell off severely undermined his argument, and Silverbolt found himself being escorted back to base for repairs. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} He was repaired in time to help the other Maximals attempt to get the Ark moving before Megatron arrived with the newly-discovered ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. Though they failed, Megatron was still defeated, and the Maximals set course for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the Autobot shuttle they'd found. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

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====Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals Video Game====
{{Note|Silverbolt is only a playable character in the Playstation version of this game.}}
{{note|This game takes place in an alternate version of the second season of the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]] cartoon.}}
Silverbolt participates in a extensive one-on-one beatdown involving nearly every active participant of the Beast Wars. {{storylink|Transformers Beast Wars: Transmetals}}
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====''Transformers Legends'' anthology====
{{Note|This takes place after "[[Master Blaster]]"}}
Not long after Megatron combined his spark with that of the original Megatron, he had Quickstrike plant a device in the Maximal base. The device magnified the Maximals' aggression, and Silverbolt was soon trying to stop Rhinox from mangling Blackarachnia. After Optimus intervened, Silverbolt attacked him and was thrown aside, as Primal too succumbed to the device's effects. Luckily the Maximal leader was able to use his recent experiences to overcome the device and free the other Maximals, and they then chased Megatron off. {{storylink|A Meeting of Minds}}

{{note|This takes place during "[[Spark of Darkness]]"}}
Blackarachia was trying to persuade Silverbolt that it was all right for them to resume their romance after Megatron's apparent death, when they were attacked by a strange zombie-like creature. Silverbolt assumed the creature was a Maximal with its spark restored, and tried to reassure it that it was safe, only to be blasted by it. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}

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====''Beast Machines'' cartoon====
''See also: [[Jetstorm (BM)]]''
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese), [[Marcus Jardym]] (Portuguese) [[Massimo Bitossi]] (Italian)

When the Axalon landed the maximals split up. Silverbolt went with Rhinox and Blackarachnia. They ran into some tank drones, who used the de-evolving virus on Blackarachnia. Rhinox had to drag silverbolt away. They met up with Rattrap who was being chased by some more tank drones that infected them with the same virus. Because they weren't transmetals Rhinox and Silverbolt were paralyzed and their sparks taken out.

When the Maximals found themselves back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] running for their lives from armies of [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon drones]], their memories of their past had been tampered with. Even [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] could not remember Silverbolt fully until she hacked into the memory backup on their ship. {{storylink|Fires of the Past}}

[[Image:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Sadly, this was the coolest Silverbolt would get in ''Beast Machines''...]]
Blackarachnia began to suspect that Silverbolt's [[Spark|spark]] might be inside one of the [[Vehicon general|Vehicon generals]]. At first, she erroneously thought it was within [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], but after a mishap with some technorganic goop, Silverbolt's spark was proven to be inside [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] (and Thrust turned out to be [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], whose amorous advances were tragically spurned by the arachnid chick). For a precious few moments, Silverbolt's consciousness was completely awoken within Jetstorm's body, reverting him to his old personality, until the goop was absorbed completely and Jetstorm's [[Shell program|shell program]] reasserted itself. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}

Obsessed with bringing Silverbolt back, she hounded Jetstorm, demanding he remember their shared love and return to the Maximals. Needless to say, Jetstorm was vexed by this. When [[Rattrap]] created a gizmo that would help them transfer the stolen Transformer sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia stole it. Leading Jetstorm into the planet's organic core, she attached the gizmo to his back and trapped the Vehicon in a pool of the technorganic goop with her webs. After much screaming, reformatting, and brilliant light, Silverbolt was reborn as a condor, having scanned skeletal remains inside the cavern in the process.

[[Image:Silverboltbm.jpg|left|210px|thumb|...for he later became...Purplebolt! the World's Deadliest Peacock!]]
Counter to Blackarachnia's expectations, Silverbolt was not pleased. Gone was the Maximal who exemplified honor and chivalry, replaced with one who desired only retribution and vengeance. "I was a fool back then," he once said. "I ''believed'' in things." Distraught, Blackarachnia managed to convince him to come along with her to help rescue [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from inside [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s [[Grand Mal|Big Floating Head]], but Silverbolt did not accompany her for their friends, as he was not interested in them. He went to confront Megatron.

Megatron, seeing that his General had been reformatted into a Maximal, tried to seduce Silverbolt back to his side. Silverbolt was told he was a creature of honor who fought for just causes, and that Megatron gave Silverbolt not only a just cause (the technological purity of Cybertron), but also the power and strength to fight for that cause. Blackarachnia countered at every point, pleading with Silverbolt to remember their love and friendship. Silverbolt ignored her, bitterly retorting that Megatron had given him ''nothing''. With nearly insane fury, he let loose a volley of feather bombs, disrupting Megatron from within. Cheetor and Primal were rescued, and Silverbolt was dragged away from the battle.

Slightly calmed, Silverbolt was later approached by Blackarachnia. He confided in her the real reason for his anger: it was not what Megatron had done to him, but that he'd been freed from his code of honor and ''enjoyed'' the experience. He did not trust himself any longer. This did not deter Blackarachnia. She believed, no matter what, that Silverbolt had goodness in his heart. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}

[[Image:Wolf in the Fold Silverbolt infected.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Who goosed the goose?]]
Silverbolt's return to the Maximals was not without its hiccups, however. When he formally returned to the group, Megatron used giant mechanical drill-tentacles to damage the city and get the Maximals' attention... as well as activate a new strain of the ancient [[Hate Plague]] virus hidden in Silverbolt. After infecting everyone and nearly scrapping each other, they managed to cure themselves. Silverbolt was bummed about being used, but Optimus gave him a pat on the shoulder and said "Hakuna matata". Or words to that effect. {{storylink|A Wolf in the Fold}}

When a spaceship was shot down and crashed into the city, Silverbolt was teamed with [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] to reach it from the air, and he had to endure the young Maximal's harsh words and attitude, brought on by the Hate Plague incident. Silverbolt fought against the [[Botanica|crazed space plant]] on the shuttle, then against a horde of Tank Drones in their underground base, and his actions finally allowed Nightscream to warm up to him. {{storylink|Home Soil}}

[[Image:Sparkwar2 Silverbolt beast mode.jpg|left|240px|thumb|"You are all ''weirdos!''"]]
After a battle against Thrust and his cycle drones, Silverbolt chewed Blackarachnia out for losing focus during the battle. Nightscream later approached Silverbolt to tell him not to be such a jerk to Blackarachnia, but Silverbolt wasn't interested in listening and flew off, pursued by the younger Maximal. The pair soon encountered trouble in the form of two new Vehicon generals, [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]]. Though they were joined by the other Maximals, the Vehicon generals out-thought them at every turn, and they were only saved when Botanica intervened. Still, Silverbolt didn't fancy their chances against the new generals. {{Storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike}}

During the search for the missing sparks, Silverbolt was teamed with Cheetor and Blackarachnia. Though he wasn't keen on taking orders from Cheetor, whom he regarded as a kid, despite Blackarachnia asserting that Cheetor had grown up a lot since the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. Eventually Cheetor was able to prove himself sufficiently to earn Silverbolt's respect. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search}} With the discovery that the missing sparks were aboard the Grand Mal, Cheetor, Nightscream and Silverbolt set about keeping the Vehicons busy while Optimus and the others sneaked on board. They were too late to prevent the beginning of Megatron's spark-fueled ascension, though it was ultimately halted by Nightscream. Silverbolt joined the other Maximals in mourning the loss of Nightscream's friend [[Noble]].{{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege}}

[[Image:Silverboltblackarachniaseedsofthefuture.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Now that we've won, we can bang like everyday ordinary really ugly people.]]
Despite Megatron's apparent demise, Silverbolt was reluctant to renew relations with Blackarachnia. The pair's discussion was interrupted by an attack by a [[zombie]] animated by a strange red spark. The Maximals hunted the spark through the streets of [[Cybertropolis]], only for it to turn out to be Megatron after Rattrap forced it into the body of a [[Diagnostic Drone]]. {{storylink|Spark of Darkness}}

The Maximals struggled to protect the Grand Mal and the sparks it contained, Silverbolt, Blackarachnia and Nightscream were sent out to wreak havoc in the ranks of the Vehicons in an attempt to distract them. The Vehicons eventually overcame the Grand Mal's shields. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral}} The Maximals received a power up from the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] and were able to hold their own against the Vehicons, until Megatron cut off their power boost. Silverbolt was taken out by Thrust, and Blackarachnia by Obsidian. Their sparks were subsequently torn out by cycle drones. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall}} Though unable to aid physically, the Maximals gave Optimus Primal moral support during his duel with Megatron. Following the [[Great Reformatting]], the Maximals' sparks were returned to their bodies. Silverbolt's old personality reemerged—only for him to ruin the moment by saying the corniest line he could think of. And more power to him. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future}}
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====''Universe''====
Shortly after the [[Great Reformatting]] of Cybertron, the [[Quintesson]]s invaded in full force, hoping the recent ecological and biological upheaval would tip the balance in their favor. Silverbolt and [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] led a counterforce in [[Cybertropolis]], where they had little trouble against the [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] armies. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

[[Image:Blackarachniaabduction.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Y'know, his life would have been way easier if he'd just settled down with Airazor instead.]]

One year later, five great Autobot heroes ([[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], and [[Roulette]]) returned home to a peaceful planet. Amidst a media blitz and celebration, Silverbolt, Blackarachnia, [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Rattrap]] were among the Maximals to greet them.

However, what appeared to be celebratory fireworks struck Silverbolt and Blackarachnia and also the five Autobots. They were transported to the firey [[Pit]] deep within [[Unicron]], where all but Trailbreaker were rebuilt painfully into new bodies. Silverbolt was piece-by-piece reassembled into a version of his
original [[Fuzor]] form.

[[Image:Silverbolt tfu.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Angsty Redux]]

Seeing an arena up ahead, the seven moved towards it, only to be attacked by a swarm of [[Cauldron drone|shape-shifting, lava-like creatures]]. Though they fought, they were overwhelmed and taken into a nearby arena, the [[Cauldron]], where they were caged along with a multitude of Transformers kidnapped from across the multiverse. Silverbolt believed he recognized some of their jailers, such as variant versions of [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] and [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]], but the being he thought was [[Tigerhawk]] wanted Silverbolt to know that he was, in fact, [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]]! The three (and [[Reptilion]] were from different universes, and they oversaw the battles that took place within the Cauldron. Here, Silverbolt would fight and die, his extinguished spark meant to feed the damaged Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|Abduction|Abduction}}

As Sunstreaker and Sideswipe battled, Silverbolt noticed another intruder within the Cauldron - Optimus Primal! Could it be? Silverbolt and Trailbreaker used this distraction to hatch an escape plan. Since their cells were tuned to their bodies, the two swapped personality components, allowing them to leave their cages. Freeing the others, they and Optimus Primal rushed the guards and headed back outside of the arena. Optimus Primal and [[Snarl (BM)|Snarl]] opened a portal back home to Cybertron, which would have made a happy ending for Silverbolt, but instead Blackarachnia and Shadow Striker betrayed them. Corrupted by the [[Unicron virus]] that persisted within their bodies since their experience within the Pit, Shadow Striker and Silverbolt's beloved had finally succumb to its demands. Blackarachnia bid a final goodbye to Silverbolt and pushed him through the portal to safety. Once Silverbolt arrived back home, though the other celebrated, he quietly vowed to bring Blackarachnia back into the light. {{storylink|Escape (issue)|Escape}}

[[Image:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Okay, is it my turn to be evil again next?]]

Silverbolt joined several other of the escapees at the [[Oasis Research and Development Facility]], where a stranded alternate universe [[Ratchet (Universe)|Ratchet]] attempted to remove the virus from Sideswipe's new form with no success. He and Cheetor wondered aloud whether they could truly trust this resurrected Primal. Silverbolt noted that they'd all seen how the virus had corrupted Blackarachnia, and the same could have happened to their former leader. {{storylink|Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming}}

This conflict with Unicron went one for an unspecified amount of time, until one last desperate raiding party on the Chaos Bringer, which included Primal, Silverbolt, and many others. As they fought the armies of Unicron, suddenly, without warning, Unicron began to [[Unicron Singularity|dissolve]] beneath them. The Universe conflict finally resolved, Silverbolt carried away a presumably redeemed Blackarachnia with him towards a portal leading home. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

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===''Beast Wars Metals'' comic===
Following the [[Quantum surge]], Silverbolt was upgraded into a [[Transmetal]] and left stranded somewhere on [[Earth|Energoa]], far away from the other [[Maximal|Maximals]] and presumed dead by [[Rattrap]]. After [[Optimus Primal]] was reborn, Silverbolt could be seen staring poetically at the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] from somewhere on the planet. {{storylink|Raise the Curtain for Beast Wars Metals!!|Raise the Curtain for Beast Wars Metals!!}}

===Fire in the Dark===
The ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' crashed in [[Mexico]] sometime around 1,000 BC, and the Maximals and Predacons fought many battles across the land. After Tarantulas and Waspinator enslaved a local [[Natiltec|tribe of humans]], one of the young warriors escaped and encountered Silverbolt. Detecting the energon dust on the human's hands, Silverbolt tracked it back to a cave inside which he found the two Predacons. He swiftly dispatched Tarantulas, but was still struggling with Waspinator when the cave collapsed, and he was later forced to dig his way out. The Natiltec, who had been able to escape during the battle, dubbed Silverbolt "Fire-in-the-Dark", and inscribed the story of his great battle into a cave wall. The inscriptions were found and translated some three thousand years later by an archaeological team of [[human]]s and [[Mini-Con]]s. {{storylink|Fire in the Dark}}

===''Universe'' CD-ROM===
Silverbolt followed Optimus Primal in fighting against [[Reptilion|Reptillion]] and his Decepticon forces. He engaged [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] in combat, but was probably defeated by him as the latter moved on to fight [[Striker]]. After the Decepticons were abducted by Unicron's ship, Silverbolt asked his leader just what that thing was. {{storylink|Universe CD-ROM|Universe CD-ROM}}

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
[[Image:Silverboltfuzortoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The Horribly Slow Murderer With The Extremely Inefficient Weapons.]]
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe Fuzor, 1998)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-41'''
**''Accessories'': Left & right feather-missiles

: Part of the first wave of [[Fuzor|Fuzors]], Silverbolt transforms into a wolf with the wings, fore-legs and tail of an eagle. In either mode, pulling his tail activates a spring-loaded "wing flap" gimmick. Moving the wings far enough forward triggers their built-in spring-loaded missile launchers. Silverbolt's missiles are also designed to be held in his hands like clubs. They also happen to look like spoons.

: For his Japanese release as part of ''Beast Wars Metals'', Silverbolt's grey plastic was made much lighter, and the wolf eyes were given painted irises and pupils.

: This mold was used to make [[BotCon 1999]]'s [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]] and Silverbolt's [[Universe (2003 toyline)|''Universe'']] [[Redeco|redeco]].

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===Beast Machines===
[[Image:Silverboltbmtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Guess why I was packaged in robot mode!]]
*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2000)
**''Accessories'': Wing-pack/sword

: ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt transforms into a technorganic condor. His wings have a snap-together feature, and the entire wing assembly detaches to form a hand-held shield-blade for robot mode. His condor mode looks so awkward (no place for the robot legs to go!) that it is possible his real [[Alternate mode|altmode]] was originally intended to be a [[:Image:Silverboltbmtoygriffin.jpg|griffin]].

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[[Image:Silverboltbwrtoy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Like lipstick on a... condor... thing.]]
*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-10'''
**''Accessories'': Wing-pack/sword

: In 2005, the ''Beast Machines'' toy was [[Redeco|redecoed]] for the [[Takara]] ''[[Beast Wars Returns]]'' series in a much more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] purple color scheme. He was only available at Toys "R" Us stores.

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===Universe (2003)===
[[Image:Universe2003toy-SilverboltDeluxe.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Admit that I'm beautiful. ADMIT IT.]]
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe, 2003)
**''Accessories'': Left & right feather-missiles

: A [[Giant Purple Griffin|purple]] redeco of the original Fuzor toy and part of the very first assortment of ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' product, Silverbolt once again transforms into a wolf/eagle fusion. He retains all of his previous [[Gimmick|gimmicks]], but includes more paint applications this time around, such as pupils in his wolf-mode eyes and the lightning-like "energon surge" deco on his back. This version also adds an Autobot sigil to his tummy-gem.

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==Merchandise==
===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroessilverboltmegatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He will beat you to death with his mighty wheat!]]
'''Silverbolt vs. Transmetal Megatron''' (2008)

: Part of the "Beast Wars Series," Silverbolt comes packaged with [[Transmetal]] [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.

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==Notes==
* In the Japanese dub of ''Beast Wars'', Silverbolt was not portrayed as a stereotypical "knight in shining armor" as he was in the West. Instead, his unique character quirk was that he was ''psychotically polite'' and always happy no matter what—even in the one scene in "[[Optimal Situation]]" where he thought Blackarachnia was dead. He ended nearly every sentence in a loud, stressed '''"desu!"''' which made every sentence of his needlessly over-polite. [[wikipedia:List_of_Rozen_Maiden_characters#Suiseiseki|Suiseiseki]] would be proud desu.

* According to various [[Hasbro]] representatives, ''Universe'' Silverbolt's colors (and those of pretty much the entire first wave of ''Universe'' product) were done by Hasbro employees from outside the ''Transformers'' team.

* Silverbolt's robot mode in ''Beast Machines'' was heavily designed after a traditional Japanese samurai.

* According to one of the [[Steven Melching|writers]]' commentaries on one of his [[Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|episodes]], he made the changes to Silverbolt based on the evolution of the Adam West Batman into the Dark Knight.

* Silverbolt has the dubious distinction of being the only Maximal who has not taken out Waspinator, instead being taken down by the bug three times. Ouch.
** Well, [[The Agenda (Part 2)|not directly anyway]].

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm Silverbolt at TFU.info]

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[[Category:Beast Machines characters]]
[[Category:Fuzors]]
[[Category:Maximals]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Toys "R" Us exclusives]]
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[[Category:Turncoats]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:Universe characters]]

Talk:Transmetal

2010-03-21T08:43:57Z

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==Beast mode/Robot mode inversion==

Should it be noted that the organic elements present on the Transmetal toys weren't actually organic in the show? Even Cheetor's "hairy chest" was actually smooth and shiny in the show. Basically, in the show, the transmetals were made to look shiny and metallic in both modes. - Buddy

==Redirect==
I've made it so Transmetal 2 redirects to this page. We've already got TM2s mentioned in this article, and I don't think we need two articles on it, at least, not yet. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==TM2 OpOp and Megs?==
Do Optimal Optimus and Dragon Megatron count as TM2s though? Technically they didn't become that way from Vok involvement.

Also, both Optimus and Cheetor DID have extra modes in TM2 mode (Optimus had Tank, Plane, Monkey and Big Robot modes, and Cheetor had a rocket in his tuckus).
--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Optimal Optimus is not a TM2 but Dragon Megatron is, I think the most populor fanon explanation is he assorbed lots of radiation from the TM driver due to prolonged contact. --X-BoB

==Edits and changes==
I have just made a major revision of the article. Please look it over for errors or omissions. The structure of the sections is a little odd, as the first two sections are for, basically, subgroups (TMs and TM2s), with fiction subsections, and the third section is for the IDW BW comic, itself fiction. I did this because the IDW section deals with both types of Transmetal, but I would prefer not to organize the entire article by fiction/toy. I think separating out the TM1 and TM2 sections is better. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Uhhhh, Rattrap has an "exposed brain" before ever becoming a Transmetal. http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Rattrap/rattrap.htm--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:Good point. That was an artifact from the old article that I didn't bother to think about. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't agrea with the part about the TM Driver only working on dead transformers, if we inlcude fanon like that we might as well include the tidbit about how Megatron became a TM2 b/c of contact with the TM Driver. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 23:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:The Megatron/TM2 speculation is completely unnecessary, and completely pulled out of the fandom's ass. We already have a perfectly good reason to expect his body to change, and as said in the article, there's no real reason to think that his body in the show is meant to have any similarity to the TM2s. The dead/driver thing is different, IMO. If true, for example, it explains why the driver might suddenly activate and mutate Blackarachnia right after she died, even though it had been sitting there all along doing nothing despite having many Transformers around it. There is actually a reason to speculate on that because there is something unexplained about it. I'm totally fine with wording the statement even more softly than it already is, or introducing that argument to back it up, but I think it should be mentioned somewhere. Perhaps in the (currently non-existant) Driver article would be more appropriate, but somewhere. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

And unless your talking about the Protoform then TM2 Dinobot had nothing to do with dead TFs aswell. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 01:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:Indeed. This sentence -- "And Dinobot, of course, had been dead for some time already." -- is utterly nonsensical. It was a ''blank protoform'' that became TM2 Dinobot. Dinobot's dead body had previously been consumed by his funeral pyre. I think this "TM2 Driver affects dead TFs" stuff has no place in the article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:One notion is that Dinobot 2 came about through Megatron messing with things, but Blackarachnia changed while the driver was just sitting there. So maybe it only sparks up on its own for a dead 'bot? That's right out of my exhaust, that one. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 03:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Although Merged sparks always provide some sort of Up-grade they don't always make TM2s, Windrazer, and BM Megs and Primal are proof of this.

==Meanwhile==
''On the other hand, the only protoform removed from a stasis pod after the surge that we saw in the cartoon was Transmutate, who may have been Transmetal. (Rampage was also a Transmetal, but he was not stored in his pod as a protoform. Presumably he mutated by exactly the same process as the Earthbound Transmetals.)''
: I'm, uh, pretty sure Quickstrike and Silverbolt were also post-quantum surge... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd liek to see a note that McArachnia is a Transmetal 2, nto a Transmetal.
: How do you figure that? McArachnia was before Transmetals 2 even existed. And there was "Transmetal" all over the packaging.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::...oops. I withdraw my comment. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::I do however note that TM2's are 'Cyberorganic,' in contrast to (say) Technoorganic (BM) or Bio-Cybernetic (G1 Limbo-images.) That particular funky 'savage' combination has a term, and Cyberorganic is it.

And frankly, with stuff like the BEast Wars mini, and various stuff that came before, we should get a note that the Cloning stuff for Transmetals 2 doesn't necessarily apply. (Any more than Pretenders inventing Micromasters.)

Is Tripredicus Agent Transmetal?-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Wich one? Shadow Panther isn't Metals Jaguar's toy certenly is(not so sure about his TV Show counterpart), and the TM2 Cheetor repaint is a Tm2. 11:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, didn't Silverbolt and Quickstrike also emerge from their pods post-surge? --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 04:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

As did TM Primal. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 18:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

==Fuzors==
"Interestingly, the Fuzors Silverbolt and Quickstrike, like the Transmetals, were immune to Vok technology, implying all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors possessed some Transmetal qualities."

Doesn't this imply, simply, that FUZORS possessed some Transmetal qualities, not "all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors"? I suggest changing that sentece too say "Fuzors" instead of "all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors".

I'm pretty sure the Fuzors were supposed to be partially transmetalized, like Transmutate. Notice how Silverbolt's wings and bird feet are a shiny metallic golden color? And how the green markings on Quickstrike are metallic looking? I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be partial transmetalization, because non-transmetal beast modes don't have any matallic elements to them. - Buddy

==Present tense==
''(General clean up. Removed speculation and fixed tenses. When talking about fictional events as fiction, one uses the present tense.) --Interrobang''
:Could you please change it back? I disagree, and think the result reads very strangely and awkwardly. Anything describing the fiction, no matter whether it's in-universe or not, should probably be in past tense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
::Righto then. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Gathering ==

I'm not grocking what the hell the speculative suggestion Re: The Gathering is supposed to mean.

''One could speculate that transformers who had still been in their stasis pods when the wave hit were not immune, pointing to Rampage and the blank protoform that was used to revive Optimus Primal as examples, though bot of those were unique circumstances.''

So, those still in their statis pods... not-immune to the transwarp wave? But they were ''all'' still int their stasis pods circa season 3 when the Gathering takes place. That was a plot point.

And anyway, the pods were knocked won by the planetbuster before it exploded. The non-Transmetal TF's probably just had pods that landed somewhere shielded from the transwarp wave. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== Triple Changers ==

Are the first-wave Transmetals considered Triple Changers? (robot, beast, vehicle?) Should we categorize them as such? [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 23:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Transmetal

2010-03-21T08:35:59Z

68.54.204.179: /* Fuzors */

==Redirect==
I've made it so Transmetal 2 redirects to this page. We've already got TM2s mentioned in this article, and I don't think we need two articles on it, at least, not yet. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==TM2 OpOp and Megs?==
Do Optimal Optimus and Dragon Megatron count as TM2s though? Technically they didn't become that way from Vok involvement.

Also, both Optimus and Cheetor DID have extra modes in TM2 mode (Optimus had Tank, Plane, Monkey and Big Robot modes, and Cheetor had a rocket in his tuckus).
--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Optimal Optimus is not a TM2 but Dragon Megatron is, I think the most populor fanon explanation is he assorbed lots of radiation from the TM driver due to prolonged contact. --X-BoB

==Edits and changes==
I have just made a major revision of the article. Please look it over for errors or omissions. The structure of the sections is a little odd, as the first two sections are for, basically, subgroups (TMs and TM2s), with fiction subsections, and the third section is for the IDW BW comic, itself fiction. I did this because the IDW section deals with both types of Transmetal, but I would prefer not to organize the entire article by fiction/toy. I think separating out the TM1 and TM2 sections is better. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Uhhhh, Rattrap has an "exposed brain" before ever becoming a Transmetal. http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Rattrap/rattrap.htm--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:Good point. That was an artifact from the old article that I didn't bother to think about. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't agrea with the part about the TM Driver only working on dead transformers, if we inlcude fanon like that we might as well include the tidbit about how Megatron became a TM2 b/c of contact with the TM Driver. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 23:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:The Megatron/TM2 speculation is completely unnecessary, and completely pulled out of the fandom's ass. We already have a perfectly good reason to expect his body to change, and as said in the article, there's no real reason to think that his body in the show is meant to have any similarity to the TM2s. The dead/driver thing is different, IMO. If true, for example, it explains why the driver might suddenly activate and mutate Blackarachnia right after she died, even though it had been sitting there all along doing nothing despite having many Transformers around it. There is actually a reason to speculate on that because there is something unexplained about it. I'm totally fine with wording the statement even more softly than it already is, or introducing that argument to back it up, but I think it should be mentioned somewhere. Perhaps in the (currently non-existant) Driver article would be more appropriate, but somewhere. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

And unless your talking about the Protoform then TM2 Dinobot had nothing to do with dead TFs aswell. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 01:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:Indeed. This sentence -- "And Dinobot, of course, had been dead for some time already." -- is utterly nonsensical. It was a ''blank protoform'' that became TM2 Dinobot. Dinobot's dead body had previously been consumed by his funeral pyre. I think this "TM2 Driver affects dead TFs" stuff has no place in the article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:One notion is that Dinobot 2 came about through Megatron messing with things, but Blackarachnia changed while the driver was just sitting there. So maybe it only sparks up on its own for a dead 'bot? That's right out of my exhaust, that one. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 03:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Although Merged sparks always provide some sort of Up-grade they don't always make TM2s, Windrazer, and BM Megs and Primal are proof of this.

==Meanwhile==
''On the other hand, the only protoform removed from a stasis pod after the surge that we saw in the cartoon was Transmutate, who may have been Transmetal. (Rampage was also a Transmetal, but he was not stored in his pod as a protoform. Presumably he mutated by exactly the same process as the Earthbound Transmetals.)''
: I'm, uh, pretty sure Quickstrike and Silverbolt were also post-quantum surge... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd liek to see a note that McArachnia is a Transmetal 2, nto a Transmetal.
: How do you figure that? McArachnia was before Transmetals 2 even existed. And there was "Transmetal" all over the packaging.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::...oops. I withdraw my comment. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::I do however note that TM2's are 'Cyberorganic,' in contrast to (say) Technoorganic (BM) or Bio-Cybernetic (G1 Limbo-images.) That particular funky 'savage' combination has a term, and Cyberorganic is it.

And frankly, with stuff like the BEast Wars mini, and various stuff that came before, we should get a note that the Cloning stuff for Transmetals 2 doesn't necessarily apply. (Any more than Pretenders inventing Micromasters.)

Is Tripredicus Agent Transmetal?-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Wich one? Shadow Panther isn't Metals Jaguar's toy certenly is(not so sure about his TV Show counterpart), and the TM2 Cheetor repaint is a Tm2. 11:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, didn't Silverbolt and Quickstrike also emerge from their pods post-surge? --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 04:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

As did TM Primal. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 18:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

==Fuzors==
"Interestingly, the Fuzors Silverbolt and Quickstrike, like the Transmetals, were immune to Vok technology, implying all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors possessed some Transmetal qualities."

Doesn't this imply, simply, that FUZORS possessed some Transmetal qualities, not "all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors"? I suggest changing that sentece too say "Fuzors" instead of "all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors".

I'm pretty sure the Fuzors were supposed to be partially transmetalized, like Transmutate. Notice how Silverbolt's wings and bird feet are a shiny metallic golden color? And how the green markings on Quickstrike are metallic looking? I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be partial transmetalization, because non-transmetal beast modes don't have any matallic elements to them. - Buddy

==Present tense==
''(General clean up. Removed speculation and fixed tenses. When talking about fictional events as fiction, one uses the present tense.) --Interrobang''
:Could you please change it back? I disagree, and think the result reads very strangely and awkwardly. Anything describing the fiction, no matter whether it's in-universe or not, should probably be in past tense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
::Righto then. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Gathering ==

I'm not grocking what the hell the speculative suggestion Re: The Gathering is supposed to mean.

''One could speculate that transformers who had still been in their stasis pods when the wave hit were not immune, pointing to Rampage and the blank protoform that was used to revive Optimus Primal as examples, though bot of those were unique circumstances.''

So, those still in their statis pods... not-immune to the transwarp wave? But they were ''all'' still int their stasis pods circa season 3 when the Gathering takes place. That was a plot point.

And anyway, the pods were knocked won by the planetbuster before it exploded. The non-Transmetal TF's probably just had pods that landed somewhere shielded from the transwarp wave. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== Triple Changers ==

Are the first-wave Transmetals considered Triple Changers? (robot, beast, vehicle?) Should we categorize them as such? [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 23:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Transmetal

2010-03-21T08:35:33Z

68.54.204.179: /* Fuzors */

==Redirect==
I've made it so Transmetal 2 redirects to this page. We've already got TM2s mentioned in this article, and I don't think we need two articles on it, at least, not yet. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==TM2 OpOp and Megs?==
Do Optimal Optimus and Dragon Megatron count as TM2s though? Technically they didn't become that way from Vok involvement.

Also, both Optimus and Cheetor DID have extra modes in TM2 mode (Optimus had Tank, Plane, Monkey and Big Robot modes, and Cheetor had a rocket in his tuckus).
--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Optimal Optimus is not a TM2 but Dragon Megatron is, I think the most populor fanon explanation is he assorbed lots of radiation from the TM driver due to prolonged contact. --X-BoB

==Edits and changes==
I have just made a major revision of the article. Please look it over for errors or omissions. The structure of the sections is a little odd, as the first two sections are for, basically, subgroups (TMs and TM2s), with fiction subsections, and the third section is for the IDW BW comic, itself fiction. I did this because the IDW section deals with both types of Transmetal, but I would prefer not to organize the entire article by fiction/toy. I think separating out the TM1 and TM2 sections is better. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Uhhhh, Rattrap has an "exposed brain" before ever becoming a Transmetal. http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Rattrap/rattrap.htm--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 23:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:Good point. That was an artifact from the old article that I didn't bother to think about. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't agrea with the part about the TM Driver only working on dead transformers, if we inlcude fanon like that we might as well include the tidbit about how Megatron became a TM2 b/c of contact with the TM Driver. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 23:42, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:The Megatron/TM2 speculation is completely unnecessary, and completely pulled out of the fandom's ass. We already have a perfectly good reason to expect his body to change, and as said in the article, there's no real reason to think that his body in the show is meant to have any similarity to the TM2s. The dead/driver thing is different, IMO. If true, for example, it explains why the driver might suddenly activate and mutate Blackarachnia right after she died, even though it had been sitting there all along doing nothing despite having many Transformers around it. There is actually a reason to speculate on that because there is something unexplained about it. I'm totally fine with wording the statement even more softly than it already is, or introducing that argument to back it up, but I think it should be mentioned somewhere. Perhaps in the (currently non-existant) Driver article would be more appropriate, but somewhere. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

And unless your talking about the Protoform then TM2 Dinobot had nothing to do with dead TFs aswell. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 01:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:Indeed. This sentence -- "And Dinobot, of course, had been dead for some time already." -- is utterly nonsensical. It was a ''blank protoform'' that became TM2 Dinobot. Dinobot's dead body had previously been consumed by his funeral pyre. I think this "TM2 Driver affects dead TFs" stuff has no place in the article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:One notion is that Dinobot 2 came about through Megatron messing with things, but Blackarachnia changed while the driver was just sitting there. So maybe it only sparks up on its own for a dead 'bot? That's right out of my exhaust, that one. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 03:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Although Merged sparks always provide some sort of Up-grade they don't always make TM2s, Windrazer, and BM Megs and Primal are proof of this.

==Meanwhile==
''On the other hand, the only protoform removed from a stasis pod after the surge that we saw in the cartoon was Transmutate, who may have been Transmetal. (Rampage was also a Transmetal, but he was not stored in his pod as a protoform. Presumably he mutated by exactly the same process as the Earthbound Transmetals.)''
: I'm, uh, pretty sure Quickstrike and Silverbolt were also post-quantum surge... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:47, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd liek to see a note that McArachnia is a Transmetal 2, nto a Transmetal.
: How do you figure that? McArachnia was before Transmetals 2 even existed. And there was "Transmetal" all over the packaging.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::...oops. I withdraw my comment. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::I do however note that TM2's are 'Cyberorganic,' in contrast to (say) Technoorganic (BM) or Bio-Cybernetic (G1 Limbo-images.) That particular funky 'savage' combination has a term, and Cyberorganic is it.

And frankly, with stuff like the BEast Wars mini, and various stuff that came before, we should get a note that the Cloning stuff for Transmetals 2 doesn't necessarily apply. (Any more than Pretenders inventing Micromasters.)

Is Tripredicus Agent Transmetal?-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Wich one? Shadow Panther isn't Metals Jaguar's toy certenly is(not so sure about his TV Show counterpart), and the TM2 Cheetor repaint is a Tm2. 11:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, didn't Silverbolt and Quickstrike also emerge from their pods post-surge? --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 04:59, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

As did TM Primal. [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 18:54, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

==Fuzors==
"Interestingly, the Fuzors Silverbolt and Quickstrike, like the Transmetals, were immune to Vok technology, implying all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors possessed some Transmetal qualities."

Doesn't this imply, simply, that FUZORS possessed some Transmetal qualities, not "all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors"? I suggest changing that sentece too say "Fuzors" instead of "all post-quantum surge Beast Warriors".

I'm pretty sure the Fuzors were supposed to be partially Transmetalized, like Transmutate. Notice how Silverbolt's wings and bird feet are a shiny metallic golden color? And how the green markings on Quickstrike are metallic looking? I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be partial transmetalization, because non-transmetal beast modes don't have any matallic elements to them. - Buddy

==Present tense==
''(General clean up. Removed speculation and fixed tenses. When talking about fictional events as fiction, one uses the present tense.) --Interrobang''
:Could you please change it back? I disagree, and think the result reads very strangely and awkwardly. Anything describing the fiction, no matter whether it's in-universe or not, should probably be in past tense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
::Righto then. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Gathering ==

I'm not grocking what the hell the speculative suggestion Re: The Gathering is supposed to mean.

''One could speculate that transformers who had still been in their stasis pods when the wave hit were not immune, pointing to Rampage and the blank protoform that was used to revive Optimus Primal as examples, though bot of those were unique circumstances.''

So, those still in their statis pods... not-immune to the transwarp wave? But they were ''all'' still int their stasis pods circa season 3 when the Gathering takes place. That was a plot point.

And anyway, the pods were knocked won by the planetbuster before it exploded. The non-Transmetal TF's probably just had pods that landed somewhere shielded from the transwarp wave. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

== Triple Changers ==

Are the first-wave Transmetals considered Triple Changers? (robot, beast, vehicle?) Should we categorize them as such? [[User:Darktruth|Darktruth]] 23:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Talk:W.A.R.S.

2010-03-19T08:46:23Z

68.54.204.179: New page: Something for the trivia: The TFs with the shortest and longest names are both Spychangers (Ox and Wicked Attack Recon Sportscar). W.A.R.S. is, of course, the longest. - Buddy.

Something for the trivia: The TFs with the shortest and longest names are both Spychangers (Ox and Wicked Attack Recon Sportscar). W.A.R.S. is, of course, the longest. - Buddy.

Talk:Ironhide (RID)

2010-03-19T08:44:50Z

68.54.204.179: New page: Something for the trivia: The TFs with the shortest and longest names are both Spychangers ("Ox" and "Wicked Attack Recon Sportscar"). Ox is, of course, the shortest. - Buddy.

Something for the trivia: The TFs with the shortest and longest names are both Spychangers ("Ox" and "Wicked Attack Recon Sportscar"). Ox is, of course, the shortest. - Buddy.

Talk:Theft of the Golden Disk

2010-03-17T07:44:12Z

68.54.204.179: /* Design Iiconsistency */

==Design inconsistency==

Unless there's a comic or something that explains it, this video's Megatron design is highly inconsistent with the pre-earth form that Megatron has in the first episode of Beast Wars. - Buddy

For those of us who werent there, can you please provide a bit more introductory information? What is this? Cel-animation or CG? Who made it? How long is it?
Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: It was CGI. I'll see if I can figger out the best place to drop that info. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The short is now available online. I've added links to parts 1 and 2 on YouTube. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 19:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==So, did Megatron ever do anything himself?==
This IS the guy who sits in the bathtub, allowing others to do all the legwork for him. This is also the guy who stole all of Tarantulas' work in the series finale. (Unless, of course, you want to insinuate that Tarantulas having dug up the Nemesis is an insult to Megatron because Megatron himself didn't do it.) In fact, Tarantulas does ALL of Megatron's technological work. Megatron is not an inventor. Megatron is not an engineer. Megatron steals the work of those around him and takes the glory for himself. Megatron yoinking things from Cryotek is consistent with everything we've ever known about Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is what happens when I idealize fictional characters from my childhood. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
: Never put off 'til tomorrow what you can get some other bastard to do today. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==Previous==
Why is "Intimidation Game" listed as the previous issue? I'm pretty sure it's been said by FP that 2005's stuff is a separate continuity area. (For example, the DiE Flamewar doesn't eventually become Razor's Edge Flamewar. They're different iterations.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:If Timelines is a single... I dunno, publication? Story area?, then it all ought to be linked together. The UK comic chains don't get broken just because [[Peace]] is a separate continuity from [[Earthforce]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::But they seem to be placed in an in-universe chronlogical order. If you want to just string up all the Timelines stuff according to issues and release, "Theft of the Golden Disc" should come after "Games of Deception." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That'd be fine -- I put it in that order solely 'cause I didn't notice that Theft came along a year after Dawn.
:::I suppose there's also something to be said for keeping the in-continuity stories together and in chronological order, too. The Timelines link in the nav box does provide a way back to the main Timelines page, though the absence of a "next" link kinda makes it look like that's all there is. Could we get some input from the rest of our studio audience on this? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I suppose grouping like-stories together and then positioning them by BotCon year was probably the best solution after all. I made a booboo! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::It might be worth pursuing a sort of 'follow the story' navigation system that lets you go to what comes next even if it's... not instinctive. Sounds potentially complicated though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

==Max Cops==

I edited the Featured Characters list partly b/c Getout and Shatterpoint were listed twice, but also I don't see a lot of the Max Cops actually making appearances in the movie. For reference, I saw [[Shatterpoint]] and [[Stopgap]] with the blue helicopter. [[9K]], [[High Beam]] and [[Switchblade (Timelines)|Switchblade]] were with an unknown Max Cop with a brownish design against Dinobot. I didn't see any recognizable models in the crew that caught Cryotek. I didn't see [[Getout]], [[Overshoot]], [[Nitrostreak]] or [[Tigatron]] at all in the video. Anyone see otherwise? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 21:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Talk:Theft of the Golden Disk

2010-03-17T07:43:08Z

68.54.204.179: /* Design Iiconsistency */

==Design Iiconsistency==

Unless there's a comic or something that explains it, this video's Megatron design is highly inconsistent with the pre-earth form that Megatron has in the first episode of Beast Wars. - Buddy

For those of us who werent there, can you please provide a bit more introductory information? What is this? Cel-animation or CG? Who made it? How long is it?
Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: It was CGI. I'll see if I can figger out the best place to drop that info. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The short is now available online. I've added links to parts 1 and 2 on YouTube. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 19:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==So, did Megatron ever do anything himself?==
This IS the guy who sits in the bathtub, allowing others to do all the legwork for him. This is also the guy who stole all of Tarantulas' work in the series finale. (Unless, of course, you want to insinuate that Tarantulas having dug up the Nemesis is an insult to Megatron because Megatron himself didn't do it.) In fact, Tarantulas does ALL of Megatron's technological work. Megatron is not an inventor. Megatron is not an engineer. Megatron steals the work of those around him and takes the glory for himself. Megatron yoinking things from Cryotek is consistent with everything we've ever known about Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is what happens when I idealize fictional characters from my childhood. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
: Never put off 'til tomorrow what you can get some other bastard to do today. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==Previous==
Why is "Intimidation Game" listed as the previous issue? I'm pretty sure it's been said by FP that 2005's stuff is a separate continuity area. (For example, the DiE Flamewar doesn't eventually become Razor's Edge Flamewar. They're different iterations.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:If Timelines is a single... I dunno, publication? Story area?, then it all ought to be linked together. The UK comic chains don't get broken just because [[Peace]] is a separate continuity from [[Earthforce]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::But they seem to be placed in an in-universe chronlogical order. If you want to just string up all the Timelines stuff according to issues and release, "Theft of the Golden Disc" should come after "Games of Deception." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That'd be fine -- I put it in that order solely 'cause I didn't notice that Theft came along a year after Dawn.
:::I suppose there's also something to be said for keeping the in-continuity stories together and in chronological order, too. The Timelines link in the nav box does provide a way back to the main Timelines page, though the absence of a "next" link kinda makes it look like that's all there is. Could we get some input from the rest of our studio audience on this? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I suppose grouping like-stories together and then positioning them by BotCon year was probably the best solution after all. I made a booboo! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::It might be worth pursuing a sort of 'follow the story' navigation system that lets you go to what comes next even if it's... not instinctive. Sounds potentially complicated though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

==Max Cops==

I edited the Featured Characters list partly b/c Getout and Shatterpoint were listed twice, but also I don't see a lot of the Max Cops actually making appearances in the movie. For reference, I saw [[Shatterpoint]] and [[Stopgap]] with the blue helicopter. [[9K]], [[High Beam]] and [[Switchblade (Timelines)|Switchblade]] were with an unknown Max Cop with a brownish design against Dinobot. I didn't see any recognizable models in the crew that caught Cryotek. I didn't see [[Getout]], [[Overshoot]], [[Nitrostreak]] or [[Tigatron]] at all in the video. Anyone see otherwise? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 21:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Talk:Theft of the Golden Disk

2010-03-17T07:42:50Z

68.54.204.179:

==Design Iiconsistency==

Unless there's a comic or something that explains it, this video's Megatron design is highly inconsistent with the pre-earth form that Megatron has in the first episode of Beast Wars.

For those of us who werent there, can you please provide a bit more introductory information? What is this? Cel-animation or CG? Who made it? How long is it?
Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: It was CGI. I'll see if I can figger out the best place to drop that info. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:31, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

The short is now available online. I've added links to parts 1 and 2 on YouTube. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 19:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==So, did Megatron ever do anything himself?==
This IS the guy who sits in the bathtub, allowing others to do all the legwork for him. This is also the guy who stole all of Tarantulas' work in the series finale. (Unless, of course, you want to insinuate that Tarantulas having dug up the Nemesis is an insult to Megatron because Megatron himself didn't do it.) In fact, Tarantulas does ALL of Megatron's technological work. Megatron is not an inventor. Megatron is not an engineer. Megatron steals the work of those around him and takes the glory for himself. Megatron yoinking things from Cryotek is consistent with everything we've ever known about Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
:This is what happens when I idealize fictional characters from my childhood. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
: Never put off 'til tomorrow what you can get some other bastard to do today. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

==Previous==
Why is "Intimidation Game" listed as the previous issue? I'm pretty sure it's been said by FP that 2005's stuff is a separate continuity area. (For example, the DiE Flamewar doesn't eventually become Razor's Edge Flamewar. They're different iterations.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:If Timelines is a single... I dunno, publication? Story area?, then it all ought to be linked together. The UK comic chains don't get broken just because [[Peace]] is a separate continuity from [[Earthforce]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:47, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::But they seem to be placed in an in-universe chronlogical order. If you want to just string up all the Timelines stuff according to issues and release, "Theft of the Golden Disc" should come after "Games of Deception." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:10, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::That'd be fine -- I put it in that order solely 'cause I didn't notice that Theft came along a year after Dawn.
:::I suppose there's also something to be said for keeping the in-continuity stories together and in chronological order, too. The Timelines link in the nav box does provide a way back to the main Timelines page, though the absence of a "next" link kinda makes it look like that's all there is. Could we get some input from the rest of our studio audience on this? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:19, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I suppose grouping like-stories together and then positioning them by BotCon year was probably the best solution after all. I made a booboo! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::It might be worth pursuing a sort of 'follow the story' navigation system that lets you go to what comes next even if it's... not instinctive. Sounds potentially complicated though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:24, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

==Max Cops==

I edited the Featured Characters list partly b/c Getout and Shatterpoint were listed twice, but also I don't see a lot of the Max Cops actually making appearances in the movie. For reference, I saw [[Shatterpoint]] and [[Stopgap]] with the blue helicopter. [[9K]], [[High Beam]] and [[Switchblade (Timelines)|Switchblade]] were with an unknown Max Cop with a brownish design against Dinobot. I didn't see any recognizable models in the crew that caught Cryotek. I didn't see [[Getout]], [[Overshoot]], [[Nitrostreak]] or [[Tigatron]] at all in the video. Anyone see otherwise? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 21:45, 8 March 2010 (EST)

Talk:Waspinator (BW)

2010-03-07T03:37:40Z

68.54.204.179: /* Stinger */

2/21/07: Ok, let's discuss this instead of getting into an endless reversion war. Why can't the silly all s's to z's change be allowed? How is it any worse than say the constant rhyming on Wheelie's page?
:: Because it makes the article a pain in the ass to read? At least that seems to be the reason it got edited last time--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 03:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this a little more acceptable?

Why is Waspy in the "Toys 'R' Us Exclusives" category? As far as I know, unless you count the TRU-Japan-Exclusive version of Thrust, all of Waspinator's toys thus far have been general releases, save for the upcoming Botcon version.

You know, I missed the typo in the Botcon comic "Excecute jump now" panel there. Thanks alot. Now I'll be saying 'excecute' all day. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The very first round of Fox Kids BW toys were TRU-only, which included Waspinator. -- M Sipher

:I can't prove that you're wrong but I'm sure you are. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::I also greatly question this assertion as I can find nothing to corroborate it. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

::: If memory serves I got my Fox Kid's Rhinox at Target. Even if memory ''doesn't'' serve, Waspy probably should be taken out of this category until some proof is dug up. I won't take him out myself, but I think someone should consider it. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 00:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stinger ==

If I'm not mistaken, stinger = sharpened ovipositor.. and ovipositor = egg-laying tube.. and therefore ovipositor = vagina.. which means Wazzpinator is a girl-altmoder like Tigatron!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:Male wasps/hornets still have stings.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, male wasps do not have stings because stings are modified ovipositors, which only females have. The anonymous poster is correct in that Waspinator's beast form is female. Some may find this interesting, but it should really come as no surprise. About half of the beast warriors probably have female beast modes, seeing as females usually make up approximately half of most species' populations. So far, I can positively sex the beast forms of Tigatron (female), Waspinator (female), Inferno (female), Blackarachnia (female), and Cheetor (male). I don't know about the rest though. It doesn't really matter, but it's still somewhat interesting.--[[User:General Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]] 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Since none of the (mammalian) beast forms have external genitals I assumed they were all female. Aside from Stampy's "Kick him in the unmentionables!" quote in ''The Ascending'' I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Since the mammalian beast modes don't show any mammaries, either, I always assumed that the gender based organs (and all the other organs, now that I think about it, save Cheetor's gut gun) were absent from the beast mode. After all, we know they don't have blood (Cheetor says so in "The Web"). Why would they have organs? And if they don't have organs, they don't have gender (Organically, that is. Obviously their TF modes have robo-gender....somehow......). - Buddy

== Immortality? ==

I think it might be crazy and I just came up with it like 2 seconds ago but I think that Waspinator was the one with an immortal spark seriously maybe when Starscream possessed him it gave him a residual effect to survive even the worse of being slag. or maybe he is just lucky/unlucky.
[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 11:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:...what? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::I think he's saying that Waspinator's apparent immortality may be an after effect of being possessed by Starscream. [[User:24.207.234.189|24.207.234.189]] 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No,he's saying starscream became immortal AFTER posessing the undefeatable waspinator. Which makes no sense whatsoever because if his spark was there he was already immortal. I don't think this guy knows G1 exists.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Though Waspinator getting blown to scrap rather predates that episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a theory, but maybe Waspinator had a "differentiated" spark, just like [[Frenzy (Movie)|a certain little skittering spaz]]. If ''he'' can survive being decapitated multiple times, what's to say Waspy wasn't built to the same specs, as it were? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character-Voice Version? ==

So, is it consensus that the character-voice intro paragraphs are better than more normal ones? I'd prefer the non-voice version. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:In some cases, yes. In this case, definitely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::This one really is kinda difficult to read. At very least it needs to be edited down. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I would prefer going back to the non-character voice version. Maybe if the Tenth Anniversary bio hadn't already done it, I'd like seeing it here better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wazzpinator ''like'' hizz page zzerved with extra Z. [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking zz at this as it currently stands? zzz The intro zzzz looks zzz AWFUL. I mean, it is seriously zzzz almost zzzz impossible zzzzzz to read. I don't think zzzz the character zzz voice adds zzzz ''anything'' zzzz to the page, and makes zzz it very ugly and hard zzzz to follow. I vote for purging it entirely. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with removing the "z"s, but lets keep it in his character voice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to use the Zs in the opening character overview? I kind of liked them there and thought it was fittingly amusing. I agree that using it throughout the entire article is major overkill, though. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::It never ''was'' in his character voice. Someone just did a search-and-replace on the letter "S", and made a couple of minor grammar edits -- but it was never re-written to sound like something Waspinator would actually say. If it's going to be a character voice intro, it needs to be done ''right'', not just a crude, hard-to-read port of what's already written. That also means it has to be ''better'' than what's up there now, which if I may say so is pretty good. The character POV's a cute idea, but the execution thus far has left much to be desired. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you guys mostly, but his ''quote'' should probably have the z's. After all, angry archer is in ye olde english and wheelie is IN RHYME.[[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunno if it helpszz, but when doing BW fancomicszzz I found that an "s" followed by two or three "z"s uszzually got the messzzzage acrosszz
without being too difficult to read, and conveyed Waszzpinator'szzz voice perfectly. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Although szzoft 'c'szz are difficult to reproduce, szzee "voice" above, and indeed "reproduce" in thiszz szzzentence. And in "szzzentence". Gah. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Waspy Transmetal needs own page? ==

According to the final BW profile book TM Waspy is a seperate alternate reality version that is perminantly possesed by the spark of Starscream (the Starscream of our universe) and engaged in a constant struggle between the Screamer and Waspy personalities in his Transmetal form. Sooo our policy is that alt. reality varients get seperate pages right? We need a "Waspinator (Transmetal)" page now? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:Man, as if Prowl II wasn't enough... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::Just take something that will counter the headache ''before'' you read it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Alternate reality variants"?? Y'mean like... IDW Scorponok vs G1 comics Scorponok? Seems to me he'd just get a separate fiction section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>[[Tankor (Decepticon)]]</nowiki> vs [[Tankor (BM)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah that, and many others ([[Galvatron II]] anyone) was the sort of thing I was envisioning. It raises an interesting question. Where is that line? Between seperate continuities of the same character (same page) vs. alternate reality versions (seperate pages).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::And again, that's a decision I contest for this very reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But IDW transmetal Waspy is still from the G1 continuity family. I'd say this is more Marvel Prime vs. G1 Cartoon Prime than Marvel Prime vs. RID cartoon Prime. Plus, Waspinator appeared in Transmetal form in a video game. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::But again, how is this different from Galvy II mentioned above, or the Tankor, or many of the Universe and other Alt. Relaity varients that already have their own page? I don't really care which way we do it, honestly, but I DO think we should be consistant. We need to pick some clear rules for this: when a character is Alt. enough to have his own page and when he is just a varient on the main page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think we need to merge the Tankors and Obsidians together, and treat these alternate universe versions of the same character like we do all the other alternate universe versions (cartoon vs comic) of the same character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd kinda agree. In particular, I've always thought it was really strange to have a separate page under this made-up "Galvatron II" title. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Galvatron II isn't "made-up," it's the name of the eHobby toy. Furman had previously used it in Alignment, which itself doesn't count, but that's where eHobby got it from. Anyway, Sourcebook TM Waspinator does not seem to be a distinct character warranting a page of his own, just sections on Waspy and Starscream's pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, Galvatron II gets his own toy, and is running around in a universe where there's already another Galvatron and a Megatron. He gets his own page partly to avoid tremendous confusion and because he's got his own name. Sorta. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated page? ==

With him having appeared in the cartoon now,in Arabia,does animated waspinator finally deserve a page?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Considering that we aren't even sure if his name is "Wasp" or "Waspinator", I'd say no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ok,well at least we know there is A waspinator in TFA. Just have to wait for his name. By the way,are you also hoping he will keep his cybertronian alt mode?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't care about his alternate mode, nor do I think my liking of it needs to be discussed here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok,i was just saying. Cause a Cybertron mode Bumblebee retool would be ''right'' around the corner.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my foot down. This does not belong on this page. We can do an Animated page if and when the episode airs, but I am sick and tired of these leaks from Dubai and rumors making this page look unprofessional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:In addition to that, we don't really know if his name is even Waspinator, since all the reports I've seen just call him Wasp.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well then you ''clean up'' the page,not remove the trivia just because ''you're bored with it''. You told me yourself, you are not an admin,so stop trying to be one.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I am going to have to agree with [[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]], Animated Waspy should get his own page like every other character in this wiki. We don't put Movie Prime on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] page because ''they're not the same character.'' Do y'all get what I'm going at here?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with Rosi. A different character with a different name and a different appearance, from a different continuity, who may or may not be appearing in an episode none of us have actually seen? Yah, he does not belong on this page. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You two haven't even read a word in this conversation,Rosicrucian is saying Wasp should ''not'' get a page,while i'm saying he should.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I am saying he shouldn't get a page until we have the full episode aired in North America so that the information is readily available and not subject to the whims and misconceptions of a rabid Transformers fan straining his eyes to make out a patchy broadcast from Dubai. The reason I believe this is because, and this is crucial, ''it lets the maximum number of users check each other's work''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's a language barrier, but at no point did I say I was bored with it. I said I was ''tired of it'', by which I mean I'm tired of people adding this crapola. It doesn't take an admin to remove a trivia item that ''doesn't belong on this page in the first place.''--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::. . . No, he said, "This does not belong on '''this''' page." I think we all agree that, once one of us has seen the episode, we should create a page for "Wasp" or whatever his name is. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Except,y'know. The ep aired already,just not in slow-ass america.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you've seen it, please feel free to add the info to this wiki. If all the info you have is second-hand, please don't. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So you people are saying that all news that did not appear in the USA first is inferior news? I find that racist,i'm not gonna bother replying to that anymore.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Y'know, I'm also sick and tired of people not understanding that users checking each other's work is the biggest thing that makes Wikis viable, and folks trotting out the "racist" label when they're losing an argument. We don't need this crap.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Rhinox, we welcome contributions from anyone who has firsthand knowledge, Arabic, American, Canadian, Japanese, or Nebulan. What ''you'' have is rumor, because you haven't seen the episode. Also, please remember that you are the New Guy here, so you should try to be less confrontational, especially when we're being polite. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think a guy called Magmatron on TFW2005 saw it, but usince we've zero information about Wasp, might not wanna add it. Although I do think adding information we can definetely confirm from those early airings is valid. [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.04 May 12 2008 (GMT)

I'm going to give an example here. Take a typical weekend in which a new episode of TFA airs in Canada or the US. We spend the entire weekend (and sometimes much of the week) double-checking the episode summary, the character fiction sections, and making sure the article holds up and doesn't contain too much cruft. It's a community effort, and often a lot of stuff has to be corrected or just plain cut because the people watching the episode are ''fallible''. All of us. I am not excluded from this.

Now imagine that same episode article and character information is being added for a leaked episode broadcast in Dubai. Maybe five people in the Transformers community have seen it. Maybe only one of those is a user on this Wiki. Maybe he's not even a user on this wiki and the users here are just using his fan summary he posted on one of the news sites. Can the users on this wiki correct him if he's got a misconception about what he's seen? What if he assumes that the tank guy with the turret on his head is Omega Supreme and makes an Omega Supreme character page? Can we call him on his mistaken assumption? It just doesn't work out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:You know, if someone here is simply throwing up misinformation and starting fights and hurling insults repeatedly, despite numerous warnings, there ''is'' something to be done about it... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm probably wasting my breath trying to explain myself to someone who just said "I'm not going to reply anymore because you're all racists."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC):::::::
Osnap, it aired on UK what do we do now?
:There will soon be a page at [[Wasp]]. If he at any point changes his name, we'll move it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
==Waspinator to Waspinator (BW)==
Now that Wasp has become Waspinator in Animated, I'm in favor of this article being Waspinator (BW). Even if the Animated article is left at [[Wasp]] (there is currently debate as to renaming it), I think it could be potentially confusing leaving the (BW) off this article. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 02:59, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:How would it be confusing? Is it confusing to have 1000 Optimus Prime pages, or should we put them into one article? This isn't the ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, it's the ''Animated'' Waspinator. ''Two totally different continuities''. Go to the search bar and type in Waspinator and it'll bring up [[Waspinator (BW)]] and [[Waspinator (Animated)]].--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::Loudstone is right, though. We have two Waspinator pages. Each needs to have a parenthetical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep. Policy is clear on this. The move has now been performed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

==Return to Cybertron==
Just how did Waspinator make it back to Cybertron after the end of Beast Wars? Assuming I did my calculations right, if Waspinator had four million years, he would have only been able to make it to Alpha Centauri if he were flying at the speed of sound. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:68.183.233.84|68.183.233.84]] ([[User talk:68.183.233.84|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.183.233.84|contribs]]){{#if:| {{{2o}}}|}}.
:Maybe Cybertron is orbiting Alpha Centauri in the Beast Wars continuity? Waspy was presumably flying at the same speed as the quantum wavefront from the planet buster explosion, since he took roughly the same amount of time to get there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:36, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:How do you know he got back under his own power (the amount of energon it would take seems prohibitive) - or, indeed, '''when''' he got back (all he says is that it "took forever", and the only other thing we know is that he was there when Megatron stole all the sparks, including his. The cartoon doesn't even say when ''Megatron'' arrived, relative to when he left...). He may have stowed away with the G1 TFs and got back that way... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:42, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::If [[Primeval Dawn]] had ever finished, we would have seen him return to Cybertron through a transwarp portal along with Primal Prime and the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Waspinator (BW)

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2/21/07: Ok, let's discuss this instead of getting into an endless reversion war. Why can't the silly all s's to z's change be allowed? How is it any worse than say the constant rhyming on Wheelie's page?
:: Because it makes the article a pain in the ass to read? At least that seems to be the reason it got edited last time--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 03:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Is this a little more acceptable?

Why is Waspy in the "Toys 'R' Us Exclusives" category? As far as I know, unless you count the TRU-Japan-Exclusive version of Thrust, all of Waspinator's toys thus far have been general releases, save for the upcoming Botcon version.

You know, I missed the typo in the Botcon comic "Excecute jump now" panel there. Thanks alot. Now I'll be saying 'excecute' all day. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:29, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The very first round of Fox Kids BW toys were TRU-only, which included Waspinator. -- M Sipher

:I can't prove that you're wrong but I'm sure you are. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

::I also greatly question this assertion as I can find nothing to corroborate it. --[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

::: If memory serves I got my Fox Kid's Rhinox at Target. Even if memory ''doesn't'' serve, Waspy probably should be taken out of this category until some proof is dug up. I won't take him out myself, but I think someone should consider it. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 00:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stinger ==

If I'm not mistaken, stinger = sharpened ovipositor.. and ovipositor = egg-laying tube.. and therefore ovipositor = vagina.. which means Wazzpinator is a girl-altmoder like Tigatron!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:75.72.21.221|75.72.21.221]] ([[User talk:75.72.21.221|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.72.21.221|contribs]]){{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2}}}|}}.
:Male wasps/hornets still have stings.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, male wasps do not have stings because stings are modified ovipositors, which only females have. The anonymous poster is correct in that Waspinator's beast form is female. Some may find this interesting, but it should really come as no surprise. About half of the beast warriors probably have female beast modes, seeing as females usually make up approximately half of most species' populations. So far, I can positively sex the beast forms of Tigatron (female), Waspinator (female), Inferno (female), Blackarachnia (female), and Cheetor (male). I don't know about the rest though. It doesn't really matter, but it's still somewhat interesting.--[[User:General Cicadacon|General Cicadacon]] 22:44, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Since none of the (mammalian) beast forms have external genitals I assumed they were all female. Aside from Stampy's "Kick him in the unmentionables!" quote in ''The Ascending'' I've never seen any evidence to the contrary...[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:35, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Since the mammalian beast modes don't show any mammaries, either, I always assumed that the gender based organs (and all the other organs, now that I think about it, save Cheetor's gut gun) were absent from the beast mode. After all, we know they don't have blood (Cheetor says so in "The Web"). Why would they have organs? And if they don't have organs, they don't have gender (Organically, that is. Obviously their TF modes have robo-gender....somehow...). - Buddy

== Immortality? ==

I think it might be crazy and I just came up with it like 2 seconds ago but I think that Waspinator was the one with an immortal spark seriously maybe when Starscream possessed him it gave him a residual effect to survive even the worse of being slag. or maybe he is just lucky/unlucky.
[[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 11:32, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:...what? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:49, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::I think he's saying that Waspinator's apparent immortality may be an after effect of being possessed by Starscream. [[User:24.207.234.189|24.207.234.189]] 00:17, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
:::No,he's saying starscream became immortal AFTER posessing the undefeatable waspinator. Which makes no sense whatsoever because if his spark was there he was already immortal. I don't think this guy knows G1 exists.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Though Waspinator getting blown to scrap rather predates that episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a theory, but maybe Waspinator had a "differentiated" spark, just like [[Frenzy (Movie)|a certain little skittering spaz]]. If ''he'' can survive being decapitated multiple times, what's to say Waspy wasn't built to the same specs, as it were? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 02:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Character-Voice Version? ==

So, is it consensus that the character-voice intro paragraphs are better than more normal ones? I'd prefer the non-voice version. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:In some cases, yes. In this case, definitely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::This one really is kinda difficult to read. At very least it needs to be edited down. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I think I would prefer going back to the non-character voice version. Maybe if the Tenth Anniversary bio hadn't already done it, I'd like seeing it here better. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Wazzpinator ''like'' hizz page zzerved with extra Z. [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Looking zz at this as it currently stands? zzz The intro zzzz looks zzz AWFUL. I mean, it is seriously zzzz almost zzzz impossible zzzzzz to read. I don't think zzzz the character zzz voice adds zzzz ''anything'' zzzz to the page, and makes zzz it very ugly and hard zzzz to follow. I vote for purging it entirely. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree with removing the "z"s, but lets keep it in his character voice. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::Would it be acceptable to use the Zs in the opening character overview? I kind of liked them there and thought it was fittingly amusing. I agree that using it throughout the entire article is major overkill, though. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
::It never ''was'' in his character voice. Someone just did a search-and-replace on the letter "S", and made a couple of minor grammar edits -- but it was never re-written to sound like something Waspinator would actually say. If it's going to be a character voice intro, it needs to be done ''right'', not just a crude, hard-to-read port of what's already written. That also means it has to be ''better'' than what's up there now, which if I may say so is pretty good. The character POV's a cute idea, but the execution thus far has left much to be desired. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 13 February 2008 (EST)

I agree with you guys mostly, but his ''quote'' should probably have the z's. After all, angry archer is in ye olde english and wheelie is IN RHYME.[[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:24, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Dunno if it helpszz, but when doing BW fancomicszzz I found that an "s" followed by two or three "z"s uszzually got the messzzzage acrosszz
without being too difficult to read, and conveyed Waszzpinator'szzz voice perfectly. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Although szzoft 'c'szz are difficult to reproduce, szzee "voice" above, and indeed "reproduce" in thiszz szzzentence. And in "szzzentence". Gah. [[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Waspy Transmetal needs own page? ==

According to the final BW profile book TM Waspy is a seperate alternate reality version that is perminantly possesed by the spark of Starscream (the Starscream of our universe) and engaged in a constant struggle between the Screamer and Waspy personalities in his Transmetal form. Sooo our policy is that alt. reality varients get seperate pages right? We need a "Waspinator (Transmetal)" page now? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:Man, as if Prowl II wasn't enough... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::Just take something that will counter the headache ''before'' you read it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:"Alternate reality variants"?? Y'mean like... IDW Scorponok vs G1 comics Scorponok? Seems to me he'd just get a separate fiction section. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::<nowiki>[[Tankor (Decepticon)]]</nowiki> vs [[Tankor (BM)]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:16, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah that, and many others ([[Galvatron II]] anyone) was the sort of thing I was envisioning. It raises an interesting question. Where is that line? Between seperate continuities of the same character (same page) vs. alternate reality versions (seperate pages).--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::And again, that's a decision I contest for this very reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But IDW transmetal Waspy is still from the G1 continuity family. I'd say this is more Marvel Prime vs. G1 Cartoon Prime than Marvel Prime vs. RID cartoon Prime. Plus, Waspinator appeared in Transmetal form in a video game. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::But again, how is this different from Galvy II mentioned above, or the Tankor, or many of the Universe and other Alt. Relaity varients that already have their own page? I don't really care which way we do it, honestly, but I DO think we should be consistant. We need to pick some clear rules for this: when a character is Alt. enough to have his own page and when he is just a varient on the main page. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think we need to merge the Tankors and Obsidians together, and treat these alternate universe versions of the same character like we do all the other alternate universe versions (cartoon vs comic) of the same character. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'd kinda agree. In particular, I've always thought it was really strange to have a separate page under this made-up "Galvatron II" title. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:43, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Galvatron II isn't "made-up," it's the name of the eHobby toy. Furman had previously used it in Alignment, which itself doesn't count, but that's where eHobby got it from. Anyway, Sourcebook TM Waspinator does not seem to be a distinct character warranting a page of his own, just sections on Waspy and Starscream's pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:38, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, Galvatron II gets his own toy, and is running around in a universe where there's already another Galvatron and a Megatron. He gets his own page partly to avoid tremendous confusion and because he's got his own name. Sorta. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:10, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Animated page? ==

With him having appeared in the cartoon now,in Arabia,does animated waspinator finally deserve a page?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:Considering that we aren't even sure if his name is "Wasp" or "Waspinator", I'd say no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ok,well at least we know there is A waspinator in TFA. Just have to wait for his name. By the way,are you also hoping he will keep his cybertronian alt mode?[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't care about his alternate mode, nor do I think my liking of it needs to be discussed here. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok,i was just saying. Cause a Cybertron mode Bumblebee retool would be ''right'' around the corner.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 15:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting my foot down. This does not belong on this page. We can do an Animated page if and when the episode airs, but I am sick and tired of these leaks from Dubai and rumors making this page look unprofessional.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:In addition to that, we don't really know if his name is even Waspinator, since all the reports I've seen just call him Wasp.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 01:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well then you ''clean up'' the page,not remove the trivia just because ''you're bored with it''. You told me yourself, you are not an admin,so stop trying to be one.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I am going to have to agree with [[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]], Animated Waspy should get his own page like every other character in this wiki. We don't put Movie Prime on [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime's]] page because ''they're not the same character.'' Do y'all get what I'm going at here?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 13:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with Rosi. A different character with a different name and a different appearance, from a different continuity, who may or may not be appearing in an episode none of us have actually seen? Yah, he does not belong on this page. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:29, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::You two haven't even read a word in this conversation,Rosicrucian is saying Wasp should ''not'' get a page,while i'm saying he should.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 13:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I am saying he shouldn't get a page until we have the full episode aired in North America so that the information is readily available and not subject to the whims and misconceptions of a rabid Transformers fan straining his eyes to make out a patchy broadcast from Dubai. The reason I believe this is because, and this is crucial, ''it lets the maximum number of users check each other's work''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know if there's a language barrier, but at no point did I say I was bored with it. I said I was ''tired of it'', by which I mean I'm tired of people adding this crapola. It doesn't take an admin to remove a trivia item that ''doesn't belong on this page in the first place.''--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::. . . No, he said, "This does not belong on '''this''' page." I think we all agree that, once one of us has seen the episode, we should create a page for "Wasp" or whatever his name is. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Except,y'know. The ep aired already,just not in slow-ass america.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::If you've seen it, please feel free to add the info to this wiki. If all the info you have is second-hand, please don't. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:04, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::So you people are saying that all news that did not appear in the USA first is inferior news? I find that racist,i'm not gonna bother replying to that anymore.[[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 14:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Y'know, I'm also sick and tired of people not understanding that users checking each other's work is the biggest thing that makes Wikis viable, and folks trotting out the "racist" label when they're losing an argument. We don't need this crap.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Rhinox, we welcome contributions from anyone who has firsthand knowledge, Arabic, American, Canadian, Japanese, or Nebulan. What ''you'' have is rumor, because you haven't seen the episode. Also, please remember that you are the New Guy here, so you should try to be less confrontational, especially when we're being polite. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think a guy called Magmatron on TFW2005 saw it, but usince we've zero information about Wasp, might not wanna add it. Although I do think adding information we can definetely confirm from those early airings is valid. [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.04 May 12 2008 (GMT)

I'm going to give an example here. Take a typical weekend in which a new episode of TFA airs in Canada or the US. We spend the entire weekend (and sometimes much of the week) double-checking the episode summary, the character fiction sections, and making sure the article holds up and doesn't contain too much cruft. It's a community effort, and often a lot of stuff has to be corrected or just plain cut because the people watching the episode are ''fallible''. All of us. I am not excluded from this.

Now imagine that same episode article and character information is being added for a leaked episode broadcast in Dubai. Maybe five people in the Transformers community have seen it. Maybe only one of those is a user on this Wiki. Maybe he's not even a user on this wiki and the users here are just using his fan summary he posted on one of the news sites. Can the users on this wiki correct him if he's got a misconception about what he's seen? What if he assumes that the tank guy with the turret on his head is Omega Supreme and makes an Omega Supreme character page? Can we call him on his mistaken assumption? It just doesn't work out.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:You know, if someone here is simply throwing up misinformation and starting fights and hurling insults repeatedly, despite numerous warnings, there ''is'' something to be done about it... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm probably wasting my breath trying to explain myself to someone who just said "I'm not going to reply anymore because you're all racists."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC):::::::
Osnap, it aired on UK what do we do now?
:There will soon be a page at [[Wasp]]. If he at any point changes his name, we'll move it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
==Waspinator to Waspinator (BW)==
Now that Wasp has become Waspinator in Animated, I'm in favor of this article being Waspinator (BW). Even if the Animated article is left at [[Wasp]] (there is currently debate as to renaming it), I think it could be potentially confusing leaving the (BW) off this article. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 02:59, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:How would it be confusing? Is it confusing to have 1000 Optimus Prime pages, or should we put them into one article? This isn't the ''Beast Wars'' Waspinator, it's the ''Animated'' Waspinator. ''Two totally different continuities''. Go to the search bar and type in Waspinator and it'll bring up [[Waspinator (BW)]] and [[Waspinator (Animated)]].--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:50, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
::Loudstone is right, though. We have two Waspinator pages. Each needs to have a parenthetical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:56, 30 April 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep. Policy is clear on this. The move has now been performed.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:58, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

==Return to Cybertron==
Just how did Waspinator make it back to Cybertron after the end of Beast Wars? Assuming I did my calculations right, if Waspinator had four million years, he would have only been able to make it to Alpha Centauri if he were flying at the speed of sound. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:68.183.233.84|68.183.233.84]] ([[User talk:68.183.233.84|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/68.183.233.84|contribs]]){{#if:| {{{2o}}}|}}.
:Maybe Cybertron is orbiting Alpha Centauri in the Beast Wars continuity? Waspy was presumably flying at the same speed as the quantum wavefront from the planet buster explosion, since he took roughly the same amount of time to get there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:36, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:How do you know he got back under his own power (the amount of energon it would take seems prohibitive) - or, indeed, '''when''' he got back (all he says is that it "took forever", and the only other thing we know is that he was there when Megatron stole all the sparks, including his. The cartoon doesn't even say when ''Megatron'' arrived, relative to when he left...). He may have stowed away with the G1 TFs and got back that way... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 08:42, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
::If [[Primeval Dawn]] had ever finished, we would have seen him return to Cybertron through a transwarp portal along with Primal Prime and the others. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:26, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

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Was there ever an accepted reason as to why the Vok entered Tarantulas' body?
:plot [[User:Blue.rellik|Blue.rellik]] 10:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

When calling the Decepticons "our ancestors", the Tripredicus Council was referring to the Predacons as a group, in the same way one might say that colonial Americans are the ancestors of modern day Americans, even if many individual modern day Americans are descended from immigrants who showed up later. - Buddy