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Talk:GoBots

2008-05-02T00:38:37Z

68.82.87.66:

Hoooooo doggies, does this need work. I'd argue with both the contention that the GB cartoon was "more kiddy", AND the contention that the toys were "simpler". If anything, Tonka GoBots put similar-sized Transformers to fucking SHAME in the transformation complexity department. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Too much non-TF information! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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X-Bob, learn to spell and write or don't edit at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the information in X-Bob's edit is more fiction-based than metafictional-based, which is largely what that section is about. It would probably belong on the G1 GoBots page, if anywhere. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't really see why so much of this article was removed. I think the sections that were here called Pre-GoBots, International, and Cartoon were all appropriate and belong in the article. The fiction ties between TF and GoBots are minimal, but from a real-world historical perspective, I think that the history and nature of the GoBots brand is quite relevant to Transformers history. TFU.info and M Sipher's TF variations list both have extensive GoBots coverage, and I don't recall anybody saying those were inappropriate for TF resources to include. I am not suggesting that turn this into a "Transformers and GoBots" wiki or anything. I just think that, well, the name "Machine Men" and the fact that GoBots had a cartoon series should really be in this article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I'm fine with this article being fairly extensive, so long as we don't start seeing lots of purely GoBots-related articles showing up on the rest of the Wiki. (No GoBots character lists, or episode pages for the GoBots cartoon, for example).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

== Depth... ==

I was just wondering would any more work be wanted on this thing? I'm tempted to add in a bit, but would probably let my Gobot love take over - for example, is the UK comic strip worth a mention? Or the Robo Machines European reissue line?

Also, should I add a fairly NPOV piece on the reasons why TF won in the end (i.e. much better marketing)?

Incidentally, it's nice to find there are quite a few TF fans who, like me, aren't either/or on the Gobot thing... "My transforming robot line is AWESOME, the others are all ghey" has always seemed a bit schoolyard to me :)

[[User:Cliffjumper|Cliffjumper]] 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Power Suits ==

Anyone else remember the Power Suits and the Power Suit carrier? Man, those were good times... --[[User:76.18.66.115|76.18.66.115]] 08:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==Beast Machines==

Quick question, but does anybody recall which episode of Beast Machines had Nightscream effortlessly destroying a unit of tank drones and then referring to them as "Tonka toys" with contempt in his voice? I don't want to rewatch the series just to look for that reference. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cyborgs.... ==

This was actually posted over at Crasher's talk page but since it applies to all GoBot-related articles, I'm reposting it here. After someone contested the fact that GoBots were actually cyborgs and not robots, it got my curiosity going, so I brought this up to a friend of mine who's a bit of a GB aficionado. He put together a list of scenes and facts supporting the fact that GoBots are every bit as 100% robotic as Transformers are. Submitted for everyone:
:1. [http://www.tfu.info/issue03/Gobots/etpe1.jpg ZOD book, page 1]
::For an origin story, the lack of time reference is curious. Why would they call themselves GoBots before moving in that direction? Actually, accoring to [http://youtube.com/watch?v=p09Fk96DYgo The GoBotron Saga Part 3]. the original inhabitants of GoBotron were called GoBings.
:::Zeemon: "He turned out to be WHO?"
:::Leader1: "The Master Renegade, the leader of the ancient rebellion which DESTROYED the GoBings."
:2. [http://www.youtube.com/v/jBQNDTWVkeQ Last Engineer's story, ancient newscast]
::Last Engineer: "Because of the catastrophe, our race is nearing extinction. I am among the last and must do something."
::Scooter: "The Last Enigeer saved us by inventing the GoBot form."
:::I don't see anything that disproves non-cyborg alternatives.
:3. [http://www.youtube.com/v/fU2pmZwLHPE Last Engineer's story, upon revival]
::AJ Foster: "How, I mean, why are you part human, part...?"
::Last Engineer: "Part robot? Heh heh heh. Survival, my dear. As parts wore out, I replaced them."
:::OK, so the ''Last Engineer'' is a technically cyborg. This is world's different from ALL GoBots being cyborgs. It's implicit that the Last Engineer did this to himself over time, whereas the inhabitants of GoBotron had a much more immediate need.
:4. [http://www.youtube.com/v/fU2pmZwLHPE Leader1's disassembly]
::How ''does'' a human brain survive being diconnected from a cyborg body and being shot that close to the sun?
:::See also: Turbo's-brain-somehow-didn't-freeze-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon.
:::See also: "Humans cannot live on a waterless planet, but we Renegades can!" from Wendy's "The Sea Vaporizer"
:5. [http://www.youtube.com/v/ctaJUMlbIko Clutch of Doom]
::Dr. Aureolis: "Heh heh heh. The Rhomatic Condensor doesn't work on GoBots. It's programmed for organic beings only."
:6. [http://www.youtube.com/v/ctaJUMlbIko Battle For GoBotron (pilot)]
::None of the GoBots are affected by the mind control signal that ensnares every human on Earth.
:7. [http://www.youtube.com/v/kf5YBtRD94Q Sentinel]
::Sentinel (referring to Crasher): "A vehicle that lacks an organic control mechanism."
::CyKill: "You see, we are pure machines, like yourself, machines that battle against organic life forms and their misguided GoBot allies."
:8. [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/Regular/GobotsListing.html GoBots 1-72] [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/SuperGobots/SuperGobots.html All Super GoBots]
::Mighty Robots Mighty Vehicles, Friendly/Guardian ROBOT ?, Enemy/Renegade ROBOT ?
:9. [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/Regular/CyKillMOSC2a.jpg Tonka's original backstory from GoBot 01]
::"GoBots come from a different time and age. They are mighty robots that change into mighty vehicles. Some are friendly while others are enemy."
:10. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines Nazca Lines, referenced in In Search of Ancient GoBonauts which is not online]
::The episode is about an ancient GoBot called the Evil One, who was banished from GoBotron for nearly destroying it with an anti-matter weapon called the Dark Heart during a power struggle that ensued after the Last Engineer and Master Renegade disappeared. The story goes that he crashed in Peru and the Nazca lines were a clue left behind. The article says they date to between 200 BC and 700 AD, placing the GoBotron catastrophe at least 1300 years in the past. If page 1 of the ZOD book is to believed, scientists of GoBotron have been studying Earth for at least 13 centuries...all the way back to the ''dark ages'' at best and before Jesus and maybe even Rome at worst? --[[User:Detour|Detour]]

:I'm guessing by the lack of contestation to this that I can just go ahead and remove all of these "cyborg" references? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Frankly, looking at that list, what I see is this: they established an origin, both in other media and in the show, that had them as organic beings who later upgraded their bodies. That's... well, that's a ''FACT'', isn't it? They specifically ''laid out this origin''. When their origin is actually, directly ''addressed'', (retelling it, discussing it with the Rock Lords), this is how it is consistently portrayed. It's only when they're not directly talking about the origin, the writers mistakenly claimed they were wholly robotic. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Bingo. I was going to say the same thing.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:::No, it looks like you're just picking and choosing only what appears to support your original opinion. Because here're some ''facts'' about Saga and Rocklords: Neither says "cyborg" or "brain," expressly relates to modern GoBots, or rules out alternatives like consciousness transfers (see also Star Trek TNG's "The Schizoid Man"). They're circumstantial evidence at best. The singular data point across the other 60 episodes that's even remotely obvious, you didn't even mention as a counterargument. Why, because it doesn't make sense from physiological standpoint or because it's just as likely a plot convenience devised by writers you've already dismissed as lazy or mistaken? I wonder how well a quote from Hanna Barbera's series bible might've fared against the esteemed interns at Golden Books.
:::The other issue here is that I proposed little more than changing "are" to "may be" because nobody acknowleged different conclusions or what iteration of Crasher they were talking about and was just brushed off.--[[User:68.82.87.66|68.82.87.66]] 00:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:GoBots

2008-05-02T00:36:29Z

68.82.87.66:

Hoooooo doggies, does this need work. I'd argue with both the contention that the GB cartoon was "more kiddy", AND the contention that the toys were "simpler". If anything, Tonka GoBots put similar-sized Transformers to fucking SHAME in the transformation complexity department. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:40, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Too much non-TF information! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

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X-Bob, learn to spell and write or don't edit at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the information in X-Bob's edit is more fiction-based than metafictional-based, which is largely what that section is about. It would probably belong on the G1 GoBots page, if anywhere. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:37, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't really see why so much of this article was removed. I think the sections that were here called Pre-GoBots, International, and Cartoon were all appropriate and belong in the article. The fiction ties between TF and GoBots are minimal, but from a real-world historical perspective, I think that the history and nature of the GoBots brand is quite relevant to Transformers history. TFU.info and M Sipher's TF variations list both have extensive GoBots coverage, and I don't recall anybody saying those were inappropriate for TF resources to include. I am not suggesting that turn this into a "Transformers and GoBots" wiki or anything. I just think that, well, the name "Machine Men" and the fact that GoBots had a cartoon series should really be in this article. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I'm fine with this article being fairly extensive, so long as we don't start seeing lots of purely GoBots-related articles showing up on the rest of the Wiki. (No GoBots character lists, or episode pages for the GoBots cartoon, for example).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 21:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

== Depth... ==

I was just wondering would any more work be wanted on this thing? I'm tempted to add in a bit, but would probably let my Gobot love take over - for example, is the UK comic strip worth a mention? Or the Robo Machines European reissue line?

Also, should I add a fairly NPOV piece on the reasons why TF won in the end (i.e. much better marketing)?

Incidentally, it's nice to find there are quite a few TF fans who, like me, aren't either/or on the Gobot thing... "My transforming robot line is AWESOME, the others are all ghey" has always seemed a bit schoolyard to me :)

[[User:Cliffjumper|Cliffjumper]] 14:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Power Suits ==

Anyone else remember the Power Suits and the Power Suit carrier? Man, those were good times... --[[User:76.18.66.115|76.18.66.115]] 08:35, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==Beast Machines==

Quick question, but does anybody recall which episode of Beast Machines had Nightscream effortlessly destroying a unit of tank drones and then referring to them as "Tonka toys" with contempt in his voice? I don't want to rewatch the series just to look for that reference. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:49, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cyborgs.... ==

This was actually posted over at Crasher's talk page but since it applies to all GoBot-related articles, I'm reposting it here. After someone contested the fact that GoBots were actually cyborgs and not robots, it got my curiosity going, so I brought this up to a friend of mine who's a bit of a GB aficionado. He put together a list of scenes and facts supporting the fact that GoBots are every bit as 100% robotic as Transformers are. Submitted for everyone:
:1. [http://www.tfu.info/issue03/Gobots/etpe1.jpg ZOD book, page 1]
::For an origin story, the lack of time reference is curious. Why would they call themselves GoBots before moving in that direction? Actually, accoring to [http://youtube.com/watch?v=p09Fk96DYgo The GoBotron Saga Part 3]. the original inhabitants of GoBotron were called GoBings.
:::Zeemon: "He turned out to be WHO?"
:::Leader1: "The Master Renegade, the leader of the ancient rebellion which DESTROYED the GoBings."
:2. [http://www.youtube.com/v/jBQNDTWVkeQ Last Engineer's story, ancient newscast]
::Last Engineer: "Because of the catastrophe, our race is nearing extinction. I am among the last and must do something."
::Scooter: "The Last Enigeer saved us by inventing the GoBot form."
:::I don't see anything that disproves non-cyborg alternatives.
:3. [http://www.youtube.com/v/fU2pmZwLHPE Last Engineer's story, upon revival]
::AJ Foster: "How, I mean, why are you part human, part...?"
::Last Engineer: "Part robot? Heh heh heh. Survival, my dear. As parts wore out, I replaced them."
:::OK, so the ''Last Engineer'' is a technically cyborg. This is world's different from ALL GoBots being cyborgs. It's implicit that the Last Engineer did this to himself over time, whereas the inhabitants of GoBotron had a much more immediate need.
:4. [http://www.youtube.com/v/fU2pmZwLHPE Leader1's disassembly]
::How ''does'' a human brain survive being diconnected from a cyborg body and being shot that close to the sun?
:::See also: Turbo's-brain-somehow-didn't-freeze-on-the-dark-side-of-the-moon.
:::See also: "Humans cannot live on a waterless planet, but we Renegades can!" from Wendy's "The Sea Vaporizer"
:5. [http://www.youtube.com/v/ctaJUMlbIko Clutch of Doom]
::Dr. Aureolis: "Heh heh heh. The Rhomatic Condensor doesn't work on GoBots. It's programmed for organic beings only."
:6. [http://www.youtube.com/v/ctaJUMlbIko Battle For GoBotron (pilot)]
::None of the GoBots are affected by the mind control signal that ensnares every human on Earth.
:7. [http://www.youtube.com/v/kf5YBtRD94Q Sentinel]
::Sentinel (referring to Crasher): "A vehicle that lacks an organic control mechanism."
::CyKill: "You see, we are pure machines, like yourself, machines that battle against organic life forms and their misguided GoBot allies."
:8. [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/Regular/GobotsListing.html GoBots 1-72] [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/SuperGobots/SuperGobots.html All Super GoBots]
::Mighty Robots Mighty Vehicles, Friendly/Guardian ROBOT ?, Enemy/Renegade ROBOT ?
:9. [http://www.toyarchive.com/Gobots/Regular/CyKillMOSC2a.jpg Tonka's original backstory from GoBot 01]
::"GoBots come from a different time and age. They are mighty robots that change into mighty vehicles. Some are friendly while others are enemy."
:10. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines Nazca Lines, referenced in In Search of Ancient GoBonauts which is not online]
::The episode is about an ancient GoBot called the Evil One, who was banished from GoBotron for nearly destroying it with an anti-matter weapon called the Dark Heart during a power struggle that ensued after the Last Engineer and Master Renegade disappeared. The story goes that he crashed in Peru and the Nazca lines were a clue left behind. The article says they date to between 200 BC and 700 AD, placing the GoBotron catastrophe at least 1300 years in the past. If page 1 of the ZOD book is to believed, scientists of GoBotron have been studying Earth for at least 13 centuries...all the way back to the ''dark ages'' at best and before Jesus and maybe even Rome at worst? --[[User:Detour|Detour]]

:I'm guessing by the lack of contestation to this that I can just go ahead and remove all of these "cyborg" references? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:Frankly, looking at that list, what I see is this: they established an origin, both in other media and in the show, that had them as organic beings who later upgraded their bodies. That's... well, that's a ''FACT'', isn't it? They specifically ''laid out this origin''. When their origin is actually, directly ''addressed'', (retelling it, discussing it with the Rock Lords), this is how it is consistently portrayed. It's only when they're not directly talking about the origin, the writers mistakenly claimed they were wholly robotic. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Bingo. I was going to say the same thing.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:::No, it looks like you're just picking and choosing only what appears to support your original opinion. Because here're some ''facts'' about Saga and Rocklords: Neither says "cyborg" or "brain," expressly relates to modern GoBots, or rules out alternatives like consciousness transfers (see also Star Trek TNG's "The Schizoid Man"). They're circumstantial evidence at best. The singular data point across the other 60 episodes that's even remotely obvious, you didn't even mention as a counterargument. Why, because it doesn't make sense from physiological standpoint or because it's just as likely a plot convenience devised by writers you've already dismissed as lazy or mistaken? I wonder how well a quote from Hanna Barbera's series bible might've fared against the esteemed interns at Golden Books.
:::The other issue here is that I proposed little more than changing "are" to "may be" because nobody acknowleged different conclusions or what iteration of Crasher they were talking about and was brushed off.--[[User:68.82.87.66|68.82.87.66]] 00:36, 2 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Crasher (G1)

2008-04-26T00:32:04Z

68.82.87.66:

Shattered Glass Crasher would either be her own article or a footnote, depending on how much coverage she got.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:I was thinking the same thing, since we treat the other Shattered Glass guys seperately from their regular G1 versions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I know it's not relevant, but I just have to say it - that cyborg stuf ''IS'' part of ''Challenge of the GoBots''. S'part of that story with the Master Renegade and the Last Guardian, and gets reffed in the Rock Lords movie. Okay, resume normal functions. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:55, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::I think that people who're adding GoBots information (trivial or not) need to be clear about just what source they're referring to. In this case, it's the old robots-vs-cyborgs issue that keeps turning up. Some early Tonka write-ups, specifically page 1 of the ZOD book, appear to support the latter but never explicitly declare the GoBots we all knew circa 1984. Most of the toy-related material from Tonka or Golden Books is off in some respect and should carry about as much weight as the "Enemy ROBOT Race Car" label on both of Crasher's cards. The only serious attempt at consistent storytelling (and where 90% of the characterization derives from), Challenge of the GoBots, complicates matters further by not only being less direct (neither the Last Engineer's story nor offhand remarks in Battle of the Rocklords are to be taken out of their context) but at times downright contradictory (timelines as laid out by In Search of Ancient GoBonauts). --[[User:68.82.87.66|68.82.87.66]] 00:32, 26 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Crasher (G1)

2008-04-25T23:41:50Z

68.82.87.66: /* Trivia */

:''Crasher is a renegade [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family|continuity families]].''

{{Note |Crasher is a repeated [[easter egg]]/[[homage]] to the [[Tonka GoBots]] character of the same name. It may be assumed that, like her Go-bots counterpart, she is female, but this IS only an assumption.}}

==Fiction==
===IDW comics continuity===
Crasher fought as one of the gladiators with [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] in the [[Forge]], appearing to be part of [[Clench (G1)|Clench]]'s inner circle. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}} Later she joined Megatron's team in the arena and in the subsequent Decepticon rebellion. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}

===Fun Publications "Shattered Glass"===

The heroic renegade Crasher was a Decepticon courier and cousin to the evil Autobot intellectual [[Blurr (Shattered Glass)|Blurr]]

==Trivia==

*[[Bugbite]] was part of an extra-dimensional team of Go-Bots that traveled to the TF Multiverse, it is unrevealed (as very little is revealed about her at all) whether Crasher might be the same, or if she is just a TF universe alternate version of the character.

*According to some early Tonka material, ''in direct conflict with Challenge of the GoBots'', Crasher (like all GoBots) ''may'' actually be a cyborg and not a robot, while her Transformers counterpart is probably 100% robotic.

==External links==
[http://tfu.info/Gobots/Renegades/Crasher/crasher.htm GoBots Crasher at TFU.info]

{{-}}

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