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Dreamwave Productions

2007-07-21T04:26:57Z

69.182.245.28: Reformatted layout to match IDW page.

[[Image:Dreamwave.jpg|right|thumb|250px|We're not saying you should buy Dreamwave comics, only that you'll regret it.]]

'''Dreamwave Productions''' was a fairly unknown independent comic book publisher when it obtained the ''Transformers'' license in 2001. For a time, there was gigantic buzz surrounding Dreamwave's relaunch of the Generation 1 title, even pushing it past Marvel and DC's top titles. Many comic book fans had been away from Transformers for a long time and were overjoyed to see highly detailed manga-style art driving a childhood favorite.

Dreamwave published a good deal of ''Transformers'' books, including many varied miniseries, before capitulating to the notoriously fickle comic-buying public. Towards the end of 2004 delays started getting more and more frequent. This was followed by rumors of writers and artists leaving because they weren't being paid, which were then confirmed. In early January 2005, Dreamwave declared bankruptcy, and there were no Transformers comics to be had for more than half of 2005.

==Series published==
=== Dreamwave G1 ===
*''[[Prime Directive|Prime Directive (G1 Volume 1)]]''
*''[[War and Peace|War and Peace (G1 Volume 2)]]''
*''[[Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)|Generation 1 Ongoing (G1 Volume 3)]]''
*''[[The War Within]]''
*''[[The War Within: The Dark Ages]]''
*''[[The War Within: Age of Wrath]]''
*''[[Micromasters (comic)|Micromasters]]''

=== Unicron Trilogy ===
*''[[Armada (Dreamwave comic)|Armada]]''
*''[[Energon (comic)|Energon]]''

=== Transformers/G.I. Joe ===
*''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe Vol. 1]]''
*''[[Transformers/G.I. Joe Vol. 2]]''

=== Other ===
*''[[More Than Meets The Eye]]''

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=== External resources ===
* [http://tfarchive.com/comics/dreamwave/ By-issue guides, G1 timeline and information (TFArchive)]
* [http://seibertron.com/comics/series.php Cross-referenced information about series and creators (Seibertron)]
* [http://www.electric-escape.net/tf/comics/Dreamwave Another comprehensive guide (Electric Escape)]

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Beast (G1)

2007-07-20T00:33:18Z

69.182.245.28: /* The Beast Within */

[[Image:Butwhy.gif|right|300px|thumb|You happy now? Twenty years of whining, saying you want a dinobot combiner? THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT!!!!!!!!]]
The '''Beast''' is the combined form of the five [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. Like them, his strength is awe inspiring, far beyond the other [[combiner]]s. Unfortunately, he is also a mindless monster, whose single impulse is simply to kill, regardless of allegiance.

==Fiction==
===[[The Beast Within]]===

With the [[Autobot]]s moments from death (some several moments passed death) [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] lays all his cards on the table and combines with his team mates into The Beast. After killing the [[Decepticon]] combiners, and any Decepticon foolish eough to attack him, he turned on the Autobots. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] attempted to reason with him, but to no avail. The Autobots were forced to kill him.

==Trivia==
*The Beast has only ever appeared in the once of two part comic included wih the Metrodome Season 2 P2 and Season 3 DVDs.....Thank [[Primus|God]].
*For years, fans have been coming up with designs for a Dinobot combiner. This is so much worse then any of them.

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[[Category: Subgroups]]
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Victory Saber

2007-07-19T21:16:32Z

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[[Image:Victory_saber.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Victory at the point of a sword]]

Victory Saber is the fused form of [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] and [[Victory Leo]]. While a seemingly basic transformation the fusion drastically increases both speed and power. However, as a drawback, Victory Leo's savage personality can over ride Star Saber's calm and collected nature turning him into a complete psychopath

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[[Category: Autobot leaders]]
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[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
[[Category: Victory characters]]
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Victory Saber

2007-07-19T21:08:17Z

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[[Image:Victory_saber.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Victory at the point of a sword]]

Victory Saber is the fused form of [[Star Saber]] and [[Victory Leo]]. While a seemingly basic transformation the fusion drastically increases both speed and power. However, as a drawback, Victory Leo's savage personality can over ride Star Saber's calm and collected nature turning him into a complete psychopath

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[[Category: Autobot leaders]]
[[Category: Japan-only characters]]
[[Category: Robot Masters characters]]
[[Category: Victory characters]]
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Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

2007-07-17T06:31:14Z

69.182.245.28: /* Siblings? */

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

==Top image==
Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

{| width="100%"
|+ Profile images of Movie Prime
|-
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender3.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:MovieOptimusPrime promorender2.jpg|800x200px]]
| [[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|800x200px]]
|}

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster (G1)|Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]] --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
[[Image:Movieprime meettheautobots.jpg|right|thumb|"Freedom is the right of all-- ooh, pretty!"]]
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Dion (G1)

2007-07-16T04:00:51Z

69.182.245.28:

Just wondering if the "Who is Dion?" bit isn't a bit too speculative? Really this should be a tiny footnote about the references to his origins. Sure, it's nice to note about the fan speculation -- but should it take up the bulk of the entry? I also the question of putting "Who is Dion" links on other character's pages considering there's no concrete links between these characters and Dion -- other than wishful thinking by fans. ---JHIAXUS.
:I think the article is fine as it is. Fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. The Dion debate is too significant to the fandom (enough that Dreamwave's comics and the RID cartoon gave it lipservice) to ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Is it just me, or does Dion's color scheme and vehicle mode remind anyone else of Huffer? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Huffer? Really? ==

I'll bow to others if they think so, but I really question Huffer belonging in the "who is" section. Magnus and Ironhide have been cannadates argued over since the internet was a yong trasnsistor, but I've never heard anyone suggest Huffer before. Sure, there's the color scheme likeness but that's all I see. Is there REALLY any argument to keep him in there?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I buy it even LESS than I buy Ironhide or Magnus being Dion... and I don't think either damn one of them was ever Dion. This is the first time I've ever heard this little piece of badly-argued fanon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Of course not. But this article isn't constructed along sane lines. You could have Ultra Magnus walk up and say "Prime, you were my good friend Orion Pax when I was Dion<ref>In the episode [[War Dawn]]. - Referential Simon</ref>, and I have to speak with you!" and people would ''still'' argue that this statement can't be applied to cartoon continuity. They're attached to Ironhide in their personal continuity.<br/>
:Maybe the footnote would persuade them... but I doubt it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
<references/>

:That's three votes for "No Huffer," one more and I say he goes. (Not that it's particularly relevant but I'm a Magnus man myself. I'm sure the writers didn't imntend it, but who cares about that? It makes sense to me and fits the universe and the characters and, to me atleast, it just feels right. But eh, to each his own.)--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:In my opinion, the entire "Who is Dion?" section is ridiculous and should be trimmed down to consist only of the first two sentences, perhaps with the third tagged on (but with Huffer reverted out of the list). Spending even a second paragraph on the idea that Dion ''must'' be somebody important is way more than the idea deserves. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I agree, only with more profanity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I restructured the section to downplay Huffer a bit. I suppose the whole thing could stand to be reduced a bit, but as I said above some months back: fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. So I have no real problem with the article reflecting that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I can live with the downplay of Huffer since he isn;t brought up as much as the other two. I also argee that the speculation of Dion's identity is pretty much the only thing that makes the character worth talking about. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I put Huffer in the article is because it seems to make to the most sense. From the discussion above I'm not the only one that noticed a similarity. Personally, I think Dion is kind of a loser that should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ultra Magnus or Ironhide. On the other hand I don't feel the same about the Huffer connection. If the whole "Who is" section must go than so be it, I just thought since it was here it made sense to include Huffer as well. Just give it a some time, maybe a week, before deleting just the Huffer part so more than 3-4 users can comment. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: The problem is that you edited the section to say that Huffer is one of the most popular suggestions for who Dion allegedly was, despite it being something that you just decided right now made the most sense. Bad anonymous editor! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
::My Bad -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 04:00, 16 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Dion (G1)

2007-07-16T03:49:50Z

69.182.245.28:

Just wondering if the "Who is Dion?" bit isn't a bit too speculative? Really this should be a tiny footnote about the references to his origins. Sure, it's nice to note about the fan speculation -- but should it take up the bulk of the entry? I also the question of putting "Who is Dion" links on other character's pages considering there's no concrete links between these characters and Dion -- other than wishful thinking by fans. ---JHIAXUS.
:I think the article is fine as it is. Fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. The Dion debate is too significant to the fandom (enough that Dreamwave's comics and the RID cartoon gave it lipservice) to ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Is it just me, or does Dion's color scheme and vehicle mode remind anyone else of Huffer? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Huffer? Really? ==

I'll bow to others if they think so, but I really question Huffer belonging in the "who is" section. Magnus and Ironhide have been cannadates argued over since the internet was a yong trasnsistor, but I've never heard anyone suggest Huffer before. Sure, there's the color scheme likeness but that's all I see. Is there REALLY any argument to keep him in there?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I buy it even LESS than I buy Ironhide or Magnus being Dion... and I don't think either damn one of them was ever Dion. This is the first time I've ever heard this little piece of badly-argued fanon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Of course not. But this article isn't constructed along sane lines. You could have Ultra Magnus walk up and say "Prime, you were my good friend Orion Pax when I was Dion<ref>In the episode [[War Dawn]]. - Referential Simon</ref>, and I have to speak with you!" and people would ''still'' argue that this statement can't be applied to cartoon continuity. They're attached to Ironhide in their personal continuity.<br/>
:Maybe the footnote would persuade them... but I doubt it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
<references/>

:That's three votes for "No Huffer," one more and I say he goes. (Not that it's particularly relevant but I'm a Magnus man myself. I'm sure the writers didn't imntend it, but who cares about that? It makes sense to me and fits the universe and the characters and, to me atleast, it just feels right. But eh, to each his own.)--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:In my opinion, the entire "Who is Dion?" section is ridiculous and should be trimmed down to consist only of the first two sentences, perhaps with the third tagged on (but with Huffer reverted out of the list). Spending even a second paragraph on the idea that Dion ''must'' be somebody important is way more than the idea deserves. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I agree, only with more profanity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I restructured the section to downplay Huffer a bit. I suppose the whole thing could stand to be reduced a bit, but as I said above some months back: fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. So I have no real problem with the article reflecting that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I can live with the downplay of Huffer since he isn;t brought up as much as the other two. I also argee that the speculation of Dion's identity is pretty much the only thing that makes the character worth talking about. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I put Huffer in the article is because it seems to make to the most sense. From the discussion above I'm not the only one that noticed a similarity. Personally, I think Dion is kind of a loser that should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ultra Magnus or Ironhide. On the other hand I don't feel the same about the Huffer connection. If the whole "Who is" section must go than so be it, I just thought since it was here it made sense to include Huffer as well. Just give it a some time, maybe a week, before deleting just the Huffer part so more than 3-4 users can comment. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Dion (G1)

2007-07-16T03:49:29Z

69.182.245.28: /* Huffer? Really? */

Just wondering if the "Who is Dion?" bit isn't a bit too speculative? Really this should be a tiny footnote about the references to his origins. Sure, it's nice to note about the fan speculation -- but should it take up the bulk of the entry? I also the question of putting "Who is Dion" links on other character's pages considering there's no concrete links between these characters and Dion -- other than wishful thinking by fans. ---JHIAXUS.
:I think the article is fine as it is. Fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. The Dion debate is too significant to the fandom (enough that Dreamwave's comics and the RID cartoon gave it lipservice) to ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Is it just me, or does Dion's color scheme and vehicle mode remind anyone else of Huffer? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Huffer? Really? ==

I'll bow to others if they think so, but I really question Huffer belonging in the "who is" section. Magnus and Ironhide have been cannadates argued over since the internet was a yong trasnsistor, but I've never heard anyone suggest Huffer before. Sure, there's the color scheme likeness but that's all I see. Is there REALLY any argument to keep him in there?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I buy it even LESS than I buy Ironhide or Magnus being Dion... and I don't think either damn one of them was ever Dion. This is the first time I've ever heard this little piece of badly-argued fanon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Of course not. But this article isn't constructed along sane lines. You could have Ultra Magnus walk up and say "Prime, you were my good friend Orion Pax when I was Dion<ref>In the episode [[War Dawn]]. - Referential Simon</ref>, and I have to speak with you!" and people would ''still'' argue that this statement can't be applied to cartoon continuity. They're attached to Ironhide in their personal continuity.<br/>
:Maybe the footnote would persuade them... but I doubt it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
<references/>

:That's three votes for "No Huffer," one more and I say he goes. (Not that it's particularly relevant but I'm a Magnus man myself. I'm sure the writers didn't imntend it, but who cares about that? It makes sense to me and fits the universe and the characters and, to me atleast, it just feels right. But eh, to each his own.)--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:In my opinion, the entire "Who is Dion?" section is ridiculous and should be trimmed down to consist only of the first two sentences, perhaps with the third tagged on (but with Huffer reverted out of the list). Spending even a second paragraph on the idea that Dion ''must'' be somebody important is way more than the idea deserves. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I agree, only with more profanity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I restructured the section to downplay Huffer a bit. I suppose the whole thing could stand to be reduced a bit, but as I said above some months back: fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. So I have no real problem with the article reflecting that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I can live with the downplay of Huffer since he isn;t brought up as much as the other two. I also argee that the speculation of Dion't identity is pretty much the only thing that makes the character worth talking about. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I put Huffer in the article is because it seems to make to the most sense. From the discussion above I'm not the only one that noticed a similarity. Personally, I think Dion is kind of a loser that should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ultra Magnus or Ironhide. On the other hand I don't feel the same about the Huffer connection. If the whole "Who is" section must go than so be it, I just thought since it was here it made sense to include Huffer as well. Just give it a some time, maybe a week, before deleting just the Huffer part so more than 3-4 users can comment. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Dion (G1)

2007-07-16T03:44:35Z

69.182.245.28:

Just wondering if the "Who is Dion?" bit isn't a bit too speculative? Really this should be a tiny footnote about the references to his origins. Sure, it's nice to note about the fan speculation -- but should it take up the bulk of the entry? I also the question of putting "Who is Dion" links on other character's pages considering there's no concrete links between these characters and Dion -- other than wishful thinking by fans. ---JHIAXUS.
:I think the article is fine as it is. Fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 22:39, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. The Dion debate is too significant to the fandom (enough that Dreamwave's comics and the RID cartoon gave it lipservice) to ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:41, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Is it just me, or does Dion's color scheme and vehicle mode remind anyone else of Huffer? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Huffer? Really? ==

I'll bow to others if they think so, but I really question Huffer belonging in the "who is" section. Magnus and Ironhide have been cannadates argued over since the internet was a yong trasnsistor, but I've never heard anyone suggest Huffer before. Sure, there's the color scheme likeness but that's all I see. Is there REALLY any argument to keep him in there?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:I buy it even LESS than I buy Ironhide or Magnus being Dion... and I don't think either damn one of them was ever Dion. This is the first time I've ever heard this little piece of badly-argued fanon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Of course not. But this article isn't constructed along sane lines. You could have Ultra Magnus walk up and say "Prime, you were my good friend Orion Pax when I was Dion<ref>In the episode [[War Dawn]]. - Referential Simon</ref>, and I have to speak with you!" and people would ''still'' argue that this statement can't be applied to cartoon continuity. They're attached to Ironhide in their personal continuity.<br/>
:Maybe the footnote would persuade them... but I doubt it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
<references/>

:That's three votes for "No Huffer," one more and I say he goes. (Not that it's particularly relevant but I'm a Magnus man myself. I'm sure the writers didn't imntend it, but who cares about that? It makes sense to me and fits the universe and the characters and, to me atleast, it just feels right. But eh, to each his own.)--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:In my opinion, the entire "Who is Dion?" section is ridiculous and should be trimmed down to consist only of the first two sentences, perhaps with the third tagged on (but with Huffer reverted out of the list). Spending even a second paragraph on the idea that Dion ''must'' be somebody important is way more than the idea deserves. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:: I agree, only with more profanity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I restructured the section to downplay Huffer a bit. I suppose the whole thing could stand to be reduced a bit, but as I said above some months back: fandom debate about who, if anyone, Dion got rebuilt into is pretty much the most significant thing about the character. So I have no real problem with the article reflecting that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The reason I put Huffer in the article is because it seems to make to the most sense. From the discussion above I'm not the only one that noticed a similarity. Personally, I think Dion is kind of a loser that should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Ultra Magnus or Ironhide. On the other hand I don't feel the same about the Huffer connection. If the whole "Who is" section must go than so be it, I just thought since it was here it made sense to include Huffer as well. Just give it a some time, maybe a week, before deleting just the Huffer part so more than 3-4 users can comment. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Huffer (G1)

2007-07-16T03:14:50Z

69.182.245.28: added Dion info

:''Huffer is an [[Autobot]] character in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Hufferg1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Here I am, brain the size of a planet, and they want me fight a war on [[Earth|some backwater redneck dirt planet]]. You call that job satisfaction? 'Cause I don't."]]

To say that '''Huffer''' is cranky is an understatement. Huffer's the poster boy for whiney pessimism. He complains and grumbles his way through every day, especially since he's been shipwrecked on Earth. If he thought his existence was unbearable before, it's intolerable now, and he'll certainly let you know.

Despite what a joy he is to be around, he's very effective at his job. A construction engineer, he can whip up anything of any complexity. Unfortunately, he'll be kicking and screaming the whole way.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Drag''' (do-ra-ggu, ドラッグ)<br>
:''Greek name:'' '''Gigantas''' (Γίγαντας)<br>
:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Grognon'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===

[[Image:Huffermarvel1.jpg|100px|left|thumb|AAAH! MONSTER!]]

Huffer complains of being homesick for his homeworld of Cybertron. Yet he still fights to destroy the Decepticons' transdimensional radiowave scrambler, which would have allowed him to contact home, knowing that if he allowed the Decepticons to use the scrambler, it could mean disaster for the Earth-bound Autobots.

Once he teamed up with [[Bomber Bill]].

====Classics====
Huffer is part of Grimlock's crew on the ''[[Graviton (Classics)|Graviton]]''. His attitude towards Earth has not improved with age.{{storylink|Games of Deception!}}

:''('''Note''': The ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' story takes place in a post-Marvel Generation 1 comics universe where [[Generation 2]] did not happen.)''

{{-}}

===Animated continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[John Stephenson]] (English), [[Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japan)

Huffer was part of the original crew of ''[[Ark]]''-based Autobots who crashed on Earth four million years ago. In 1984, he awoke and was reformatted into a mini semi truck cab. An engineer and not a warrior, Huffer loathed combat and hated being stationed on Earth as he longed to return to Cybertron. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] would often have to motivate Huffer, reminding him to remain courageous in the long fight. During one of the first engagements on Earth, where the Autobots attempted to stop the Decepticons from attacking an off-shore oil rig, Huffer was trapped in the debris. [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] came to his rescue, cutting Huffer loose from the wreckage.

[[Image:Hufferg1animated.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Great choice in cheerleaders, Prime.]]

Damaged in a fall from the top of the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma]], Optimus Prime was encouraged by Huffer, [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], and [[Gears]] as he painfully tried to transform back into robot mode. {{Storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2}}

Prime was ever accident-prone, though, and after being [[Heavy_Metal_War|beaten down by Megatron]] and again struggling to transform, Huffer was helpful enough to tow Prime's trailer back to the ''Ark''.

When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] authorized [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] to build robot dinosaurs, Huffer insisted that this was a waste of time. After the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] were completed and unveiled, Huffer remarked, "Dino''bots''? I thought you were supposed to make Dino''saurs''!" and laughed. This was followed by an awkward silence.

Though his death was never depicted, Huffer's grave is later mentioned amongst those of the other Autobots who died during the attack on [[Autobot City]] aboard their interstellar mausoleum. Along with the mausoleum itself, Huffer's remains were later plunged into a red sun as a side-effect of a [[Quintesson]] plot. {{Storylink|Dark Awakening}}

Bummer.

There are rumors that Huffer actually [[:Image:DeceptiBrawn1.jpg|defected.]] Perhaps he finally found his happiness?

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
Huffer was a part of the crew onboard the ''[[Ark]]'' when it crashed into [[Earth]] four million years ago while clearing an asteroid in the path of Cybertron.

He was one of many Transformers captured and reprogrammed by arms dealer [[Lazarus|Adam 'Lazarus' Rook]] for lease to terrorist organisations and shady governments requiring brutal military might. Fortunately, Autobots under the command of Optimus Prime repaired and re-reprogrammed Huffer and the remaining captive Autobots. Immediately, they were put to work on fighting Megatron's metallic virus which had spread deep into Canadian territory. Huffer was seen to be very gung-ho about starting the blasting process when Wheeljack cautioned the group that the anti-virus requires converting their own interal energy, and he needed complete commitment from them if his plan was to suceed. {{Storylink|Prime Directive, Part 5}}

Soon, the Canadian military arrived. Unfortunately, due to the recent attacks by both enslaved Autobots and Decepticons under the command of Rook, the Canadians attempted to stop the Autobots doing what they percieved to be an attack on their soil. When Wheeljack tied to explain what they were doing (in a rather agressive manner), the Canadians soldiers panicked and fired upon the Autobots. Huffer was blasted by a tank shell while trying to aid the fallen Wheeljack. {{Storylink|Prime Directive, Part 6}}

==Notes==
*It has been speculated by some fans that, in animated continuity, Huffer may have been created from Orion Pax's friend [[Dion]], the same way and at the same time Prime and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] were rebuilt by [[Alpha Trion]].
:''For further elaboration, see [[Dion#Who_is_Dion.3F|Who is Dion?]].''

==Toys==
==Generation 1==
* '''Huffer''' (Mini Vehicle, 1984)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''14'''

:Huffer was part of the original 1984 assortment of Autobot [[Mini Vehicle]]s. His mold was originally used for the ''[[Microchange]]'' series of toys as an "American" truck. The ''Microchange'' toyline was meant to depict robots that transformed into toy cars, which accounts for the somewhat cartoonish proportions of Huffer's vehicle modes.

: This mold mold was used to make [[Pipes]]: for the [[Hasbro]] line it was extensively [[retool]]ed, while in Mexico and some European markets, it was straight-[[redeco]]ed.

*'''Minibot Team''' (Multi-pack, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''TFC-12'''

: Huffer was reissued in a "[[Transformers Collection]]" six-pack with [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Cosmos]], [[Gears]], [[Powerglide]] and [[Warpath]]. There are no notable differences between the original and the reissue versions.

: This entire set was redecoed to make the [[G1 GoBots]] set: Huffer was used to make [[Road Ranger]].

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Huffer/huffer.htm Huffer at TFU.info]

*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Huffer Huffer's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Dion (G1)

2007-07-16T02:34:27Z

69.182.245.28: added external link

:''Dion is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Diong1.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Anyone ever tell you that you look just like Wheelie? No? Oh.]]

'''Dion''' and his best friend [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]] are earnest dock workers. His is a simple life of manual labor, and he does not give a second thought to the war that may be brewing around him. War's pretty cool, after all, especially if they involve those [[Decepticon|new-fangled flying robots]]. Maybe someday he'll get to meet them...?

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (US), ? (Japan)
Nine million years ago, near the end of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron's]] Golden Age, it was Dion's job to haul energy and supplies in and out of the dock in which he and his best friend worked. There were murmurs of attacks from new, flying robots, but Dion didn't worry -- if a war were coming, that's what they had [[Guardian robot]]s for.

[[Image:Dionvehicle.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Cybertron's "Golden Age" was a pretty literal title, if you look.]]

Dion and Orion were honored to meet the leader of these enigmatic warriors, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], until Megatron revealed his plan to rob their dock of its [[energon]] stockpiles. After Megatron struck down Orion Pax and [[Elita One (G1)|Ariel]], Orion's girlfriend, Dion fought back valiantly, but he was also destroyed.

Time-traveling [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] carried Orion Pax to [[Alpha Trion]] for repairs, and Dion's friend was rebuilt into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Drones were sent back also to retrieve Ariel, but Dion's ultimate fate is uncertain.
{{-}}
==Who is Dion?==
[[Image:Dionrobot.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Uncertain identity ain't nothin' a few fanwanks can't solve.]]
Orion Pax and Ariel were rebuilt into Optimus Prime and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]], respectively, so many fans have speculated that Dion was also rebuilt into a familiar character. However, there are no hints within the episode itself, other than Dion was Orion's best friend. Regardless, the most popular suggestions are [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]].

(Dion's distinctive colour scheme had been seen earlier, however - on a member of Alpha Trion and Elita One's resistance/commando squad. The character never speaks nor is spoken to, but ''does'' have ties to two characters from Dion's past. Of course, the Autobot is likely female, which raises other questions altogether.)

Some believe the debate is irrelevant, believing Dion most likely dead and inconsequential, and possibly a casualty that hit close to home in Optimus Prime's early years as Autobot leader. After all, no specific mention is made of him in the episode after he dies, but Ariel is mentioned repeatedly. (Plus, his name can be read as "Dyin'," which may have been an intentional clue.)

===Huffer===
Huffer is considered a pontntial candidate for Dion for a number of reasons. Firstly and most obvious, the two share a very similar color scheme. Also, like Dion, Huffer is a reluctant warrior and would have rather leave the fighting to others. Lasty both Dion and Huffer have similar [[Alternate mode|alt modes]], Dion transforms into a cybertronian truck and Huffer, like Optimus Prime, into a semi truck cab. Prime has even been known to entrust Huffer in towing his [[Combat Deck|trailer]] when he was unable to do it himself.

===Ironhide===
Ironhide could easily be Optimus Prime's oldest friend, and so he would seem like a good fit.

===Ultra Magnus===
Ultra Magnus is a popluar suggestion because his cab turns into a white version of Optimus Prime, and so it would stand to reason that if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them, they would have similar designs. It's unlikely, however, that the writers of the episode could possibly have had Ultra Magnus in mind, as several writers have stated in interviews that they did not write any episodes with the upcoming movie and third season in mind.

In later years, various hints and references in subsequent Transformers stories have inferred that Dion was indeed Ultra Magnus. In the [[Robots in Disguise]] animated series, it's stated that [[Alpha Trion]] built both Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus, a likely nod to the original episode. And in the [[Dreamwave]] comics continuity, Ultra Magnus leads [[Security Team Dion]], another nod. However, both of these easter eggs take place in different continuities from the animated series, so they are not directly relevant.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Diong1toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Friend shot, left to rot.]]
*'''Orion Pax''' and '''Dion''' (E-Hobby, 2005)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''67'''

: Dion is an ''extensively''-painted [[redeco]] of the [[Mini Vehicle]] [[Wheelie]], and came packaged with Orion Pax and [[Roller|Barrelroller]]. He transforms into a yellow and blue Cybertronic car.

==External links==
* [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/uscartoon/dion.htm Dion at Obscure Transformers]

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Dion (G1)

2007-07-16T02:26:21Z

69.182.245.28: /* Who is Dion? */ Reorganized section and added Huffer as possibility.

:''Dion is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Diong1.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Anyone ever tell you that you look just like Wheelie? No? Oh.]]

'''Dion''' and his best friend [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]] are earnest dock workers. His is a simple life of manual labor, and he does not give a second thought to the war that may be brewing around him. War's pretty cool, after all, especially if they involve those [[Decepticon|new-fangled flying robots]]. Maybe someday he'll get to meet them...?

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (US), ? (Japan)
Nine million years ago, near the end of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron's]] Golden Age, it was Dion's job to haul energy and supplies in and out of the dock in which he and his best friend worked. There were murmurs of attacks from new, flying robots, but Dion didn't worry -- if a war were coming, that's what they had [[Guardian robot]]s for.

[[Image:Dionvehicle.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Cybertron's "Golden Age" was a pretty literal title, if you look.]]

Dion and Orion were honored to meet the leader of these enigmatic warriors, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], until Megatron revealed his plan to rob their dock of its [[energon]] stockpiles. After Megatron struck down Orion Pax and [[Elita One (G1)|Ariel]], Orion's girlfriend, Dion fought back valiantly, but he was also destroyed.

Time-traveling [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] carried Orion Pax to [[Alpha Trion]] for repairs, and Dion's friend was rebuilt into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. Drones were sent back also to retrieve Ariel, but Dion's ultimate fate is uncertain.
{{-}}
==Who is Dion?==
[[Image:Dionrobot.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Uncertain identity ain't nothin' a few fanwanks can't solve.]]
Orion Pax and Ariel were rebuilt into Optimus Prime and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]], respectively, so many fans have speculated that Dion was also rebuilt into a familiar character. However, there are no hints within the episode itself, other than Dion was Orion's best friend. Regardless, the most popular suggestions are [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]].

(Dion's distinctive colour scheme had been seen earlier, however - on a member of Alpha Trion and Elita One's resistance/commando squad. The character never speaks nor is spoken to, but ''does'' have ties to two characters from Dion's past. Of course, the Autobot is likely female, which raises other questions altogether.)

Some believe the debate is irrelevant, believing Dion most likely dead and inconsequential, and possibly a casualty that hit close to home in Optimus Prime's early years as Autobot leader. After all, no specific mention is made of him in the episode after he dies, but Ariel is mentioned repeatedly. (Plus, his name can be read as "Dyin'," which may have been an intentional clue.)

===Huffer===
Huffer is considered a pontntial candidate for Dion for a number of reasons. Firstly and most obvious, the two share a very similar color scheme. Also, like Dion, Huffer is a reluctant warrior and would have rather leave the fighting to others. Lasty both Dion and Huffer have similar [[Alternate mode|alt modes]], Dion transforms into a cybertronian truck and Huffer, like Optimus Prime, into a semi truck cab. Prime has even been known to entrust Huffer in towing his [[Combat Deck|trailer]] when he was unable to do it himself.

===Ironhide===
Ironhide could easily be Optimus Prime's oldest friend, and so he would seem like a good fit.

===Ultra Magnus===
Ultra Magnus is a popluar suggestion because his cab turns into a white version of Optimus Prime, and so it would stand to reason that if Alpha Trion rebuilt both of them, they would have similar designs. It's unlikely, however, that the writers of the episode could possibly have had Ultra Magnus in mind, as several writers have stated in interviews that they did not write any episodes with the upcoming movie and third season in mind.

In later years, various hints and references in subsequent Transformers stories have inferred that Dion was indeed Ultra Magnus. In the [[Robots in Disguise]] animated series, it's stated that [[Alpha Trion]] built both Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus, a likely nod to the original episode. And in the [[Dreamwave]] comics continuity, Ultra Magnus leads [[Security Team Dion]], another nod. However, both of these easter eggs take place in different continuities from the animated series, so they are not directly relevant.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Diong1toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Friend shot, left to rot.]]
*'''Orion Pax''' and '''Dion''' (E-Hobby, 2005)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''67'''

: Dion is an ''extensively''-painted [[redeco]] of the [[Mini Vehicle]] [[Wheelie]], and came packaged with Orion Pax and [[Roller|Barrelroller]]. He transforms into a yellow and blue Cybertronic car.

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