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Talk:Unreleased toy

2009-09-18T02:07:36Z

70.194.162.151: /* Transtech Starscream */

OK I have to stop making this, I have to sleep you know :P
Well as you can see this is far from being finished and I will attend to this tomorrow, of course you can edit it, cous I have found a few probs of which I have no idea how to fix em!
Thanks for your help.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 20:18, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==What Counts?==
I'm almost not sure we should even include concept art here, because there's a shitton of stuff that never got off the drawing board - I'm thinking of the movie monster TFs, that dinosaur Scramble City combiner, and all that other stuff in the back of Generations. On the other hand, the G2 Gobots WERE unreleased until they came out during RiD, and the same is more-or-less true of the Universe Seacons. I dunno. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:37, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:yyyyyyeah, concept art is questionable... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:41, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::Split the page. Give it an 'unproduced concepts' section. If that gorws big enough, split it off into it's own page.
::The subject is broad enough... it's probably best to let it evolve organically. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:06, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

==Since this never went anywhere on Black Rodimus' page...==
We really, really need to devise a consistent way of dealing with unreleased product on characters' individual pages. I would ideally like to see it either integrated into the normal toy/merchandise lists with some kind of obtrusive "THIS NAME CAME OUT" indicator or have a separate "unreleased toys" section otherwise constructed just like the normal toy section. Opinions? -[[User:LV|LV]] 22:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:Subcategory at the end of "toys" but before "merchandise." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:45, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

== Two more Gobots?? ==
This is the first I hear of unreleased jeeps and sports cars in the Gobots line. Anyone have pics?? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:23, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:...[http://rapido-online.net/g2archive/] ''did'', you can search through archive.org I guess... When did this site do down? Did it move? Steve-o's links page doesn't have a more recent address for it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::[http://web.archive.org/web/20060720144441/www.rapido-online.net/g2archive/misc/unreleased/index.shtml] all I see here are the four that were released in the RID line... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I wish I had saved it, but they were part of the massive ton of shit that the Hartmans auctioned off way back when. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 23:31, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
::::FortMax to the rescue! [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/Gobots/Gobots2bot.jpg pic 1] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/Gobots/Gobots2alt.jpg 2] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/Gobots/Gobots1bot.jpg 3] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/Gobots/Gobots1alt.jpg 4] And pics from an older auction: [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/ToyPics/Hummeralt.jpg 1] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/ToyPics/Hummerrobot.jpg 2] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/ToyPics/Carrobot.jpg 3] [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v213/FortMax05/ToyPics/Caralt.jpg 4] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:13, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, what, you just have a big ol' 'misc_tf' folder you save stuff to? "Shit, I bet I'll want that later, enough so that I'll be willing to sort through everything in here to find it." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:28, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Kind of. It's mostly pics of unreleased toys I come across, so it's mostly G2 prototypes from ebay auctions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 04:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Impressive. This is the first I've heard of the jeep and sports car. Wonder why Hasbro didn't bother to release them in RID... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:01, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::You'd think they would have - if you look at the pics of all six together, I'm pretty sure they share molds just like the original six Spychangers do... Parts of the molds might have gotten damaged over the years, though. Who can say? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:56, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::According to the Hartmans, the jeep and sports car couldn't hold their guns correctly. That may have had something to do with it. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:06, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Derik, I've talked to Rapido. He's been in the process of rebuilding the site, but hasn't had much time to do it. He says it will be back up eventually. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

==Unreleased toys that eventually got released==
Do we list these? I'm thinking specifically about "molds that were meant for one line, canceled, then reused later but not necessarily as the same character" like RiD Bruticus, the Flipchangers, four of the Spychangers, etc. I would almost say they don't count, since they saw release in SOME form. I dunno. What do you guys think? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:14, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know, i feal it's like with redecos, the toy itself was released, but that particular character/recolour never hit shelves...--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:22, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
:This could be tricky. How do we define "Released"? In the strictest of terms, the cancelled color scheme being used on the mold, we'd have a short list (Air Attack Primal, RID Megahead, possibly the Target Universe Voyarers, TWW Grimlock and Prowl, Alt Rumble and Ravage, and not much else. BWII BB & Starscream, Botcon Sideswipe and the upcoming Seacon redecoes are close to ATB Megatron, Uni Drench and the cancelled Energon set, and Astrotrain is Spacewarp with a new head, so those could count as well. However, the BWII Autorollers don't look a thing like their cancelled G2 releases, nor do the RID releases of the secend Gobots set, and we don't even know what colors the Flipchangers would be if they had been released in G2 (same goes for the Mutants).
:So we have three definitions for "released" unreleased toys: new mold toys ended up not being used for whatever reason but were later dusted off and used in a line they weren't designed for (Autojetter, Autolauncher, Gobots set 2, G2 Flipchangers, RID Bruticus, BW Mutants), Redecoes of toys that were later released in (close to) the cancelled planned deco (ATB Megatron, Uni Spacewarp, Energon Seacons, BIAB Drench), and ones that were simply picked up as a store exclusive, released in the succeeding main line, or both (BM Air Attack Primal in RID at TRU, BM Grand Mal Megatron in RID at KB, Universe Wave 4 Ultras at Target, Alt Rumble and Ravage at Walmart, Reissue Astrotrain at HTS, and Titanium Grimlock and Prowl at TRU). --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
::I would say they stay, since the versions that get released eventually are a little different then what the original releases would have been like, best example Spacewarp, different head, different tone of colors, different Mini-Cons and something else.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 19:43, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I understand the individual words, but when you put them together they make no sense. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::::What I mean twas that, there have been changes made to the toys, meaning they no longer represent the original concept. Like Spacewarp and Astrotrain, although Astrotrain was made so they could use the Spacewarp toy, they changed the head, gave him new Minicons and the colors are slightly changed, at least that's what I read in this wiki.

Does it make more sense now? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave pic? ==
Were did the Classics Soundwave concept go?
[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:48, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
: Apparently, it was deleted because it was fan-colored. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 15:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
: yea I know it was fan-colored, i found it on DA and the poster even said so himself, but the ink was defiantly Don Fig, what's so bad about it being fan colored? I mean this wiki uses images that are edited from there original form, like the characters being cut out from the rest of the piece.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's considered speculative. When the gray prototype pics of Armada Overload came out- there were dozens of photo-bashes of him in various shades of G1 colors. NONE of them reflected the reality that came to pass. Fan-colors on an unreleased toy make it look different than it actually would have been. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't recall what the image looked like, but would it have been possible to reduce it back to line art only? Or would that still not have given results allowable by the wiki?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Who cares I found the inks, upped them, and did the same shit as before. I hope it's allowable now. --[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]]
::::Anyway, to answer your question about what's so bad about it being fan coloured, there is a difference between us cropping an officially published (or otherwise officially approved) picture to some guy colouring it himself. Now, the concept art belongs to Hasbro, but the colours, as Derik explained, were made up. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::So how come the straight line art's been removed from the article and the image has been marked for deletion? Is it not acceptable now under wiki policy?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:45, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Never mind, I found FFN's comment, and I disagree. It's a Don F. concept sketch of Soundwave; "DonceptSwave" compresses that nicely and still gets the idea across. Sure, the title could be extended a bit, but I don't think it's necessary.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:49, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I am ultra-pandantic about people on this wiki using easily readable filenames, so could be something really simple like Classics_Soundwaveconcept.jpg, no need to say Don in there, as he would already be credited on the file's page itself. Also, was this concept art officially unvieled by Hasbro or published in an official publication? If not, are we allowed to use it? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::i didn't care about the changing the name, so I just went with what unicron.com named it, yea I'm THAT lazy. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 17:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait WHY has it been removed from the article-again?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 18:00, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Hey. Just because Don drew something, are we necessarily sure it was an officially commissioned piece of concept art? I mean, if I say HEY DON HERE'S SOME CASH DRAW A TOY VERSION OF MY FAN CHARACTER, next thing you know the entire internet will be wanting to know who this crazy dude Hasbro's making is supposed to be. (that's actually a great idea for a troll, too bad Kyde beat me to it) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Except Don said he submitted it to Hasbro.
:{{quote|Also check out this concept sketch of SOUNDWAVE! Although he submitted this "years ago, I think for Classics or Alternators" it sure seems to be what they based the design of TF: Animated Soundwave upon to me.}}
::So it's unused concept art. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Unused concepts==
After reading about the Soundwave mentioned above, and checking out the unused headmaster designs in [[The Ark II — A Compendium of Japanese Character Designs|The Ark II]], I was wondering where the line is drawn between unused toy concept and unreleased toy. To me an unreleased toy is one that made it to prototype phase, like Transtech Cheetor, but never came to fruition. Should there be a split between unreleased, and unused? Or do we just have faith that if they had a design for it, it was going to be a toy, but didn't make it far enough in the process to be unreleased?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 17:05, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave Mini-Cons? ==
Does anyone have any pictures of the Cybertron Soundwave Mini-Con prototypes?[[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 15:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

==Classics Soundwave==
Should it be mentioned that it's possible that Classics Soundwave may have ended up as Animated Soundwave? --[[User:Blackdrop|Blackdrop]] 00:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:No, that would be speculative in some ways, unless there is any official information confirming it. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 01:07, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

== Henkei Black Convoy ==
OK I added it as the prototypes seemed very legit to me but if you feel we should not keep it here give me good reasons to take it down.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:21, 6 January 2009 (EST)

== Good enough? ==
Well I did a clean up what do you think of it now? Is is it good enough to be considered cleaned and we can remove the caption on the top of the page?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 11:09, 19 January 2009 (EST)
:I did some more cleanup, including removing the extraneous semicolons from the ends of subtitles. What's left to clean? --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 16:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
==Missing Gallery==
Currently, the "Gallery of Unreleased Universe Piranahcons" gallery is gone (or the link is pointing to the wrong place). Do we just want to remove the link, or create a new gallery? I noticed that at least some of the pics are on the [[Seacon (G1)]] page. --[[User:Loudstone|Loudstone]] 16:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transtech Starscream==
Did we ever find out what the deal was with [[http://obsequiosity.home.mchsi.com/tt/tt2.jpg| this]] thing? Does it belong here? 21:39, 17 September 2009 (EDT) {{unsigned|70.194.162.151}}
:First of all, check your links next time. Secondly, sign your posts. THIRDLY, it's covered under [[Starscream (TransTech)]]. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:50, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

:: FOURTHLY, that friendly demeanor really makes me want to help the wiki out SO MUCH. I knew there was a reason I quit contributing. [[User:YourMom|YourMom]] 22:07, 17 September 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Unreleased toy

2009-09-18T01:39:53Z

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