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2010-01-14T10:40:35Z

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When and where was this shown? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[BotCon 2008]] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 00:45, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::I wouldn't count a convention screening as an airdate. That implies it was actually broadcast. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Could note its actual airdate with a parenthetical (preview screening at BotCon 2008) on the end.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==One of the edits==
One of the editors removed all reference to Prime, because it's a rank in Animated. But Optimus is frequently referred to ''as'' Prime, and it's been a rank in other continuities as well...opinions? [[User:GWolfv2]]
:My rules for Animated are that A) if Sentinel Prime is in the episode, Optimus Prime is "Optimus", and B) in flashbacks, which might take place before he got the rank, he should be called "Optimus". Otherwise, "Prime" is okay, especially since the other characters often call him that. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

:That's pretty much how I do it. I even had to mentally correct myself not to refer to Optimus as "Prime" when in the same sentence as Sentinel Prime while writting the summary for Mission Accomplished last week. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think that, for Animated, Optimus Prime should only be referred to as "Optimus Prime" or "Optimus" in a summary regardless of whether Sentinel (or some other Prime) is in the episode, simply to keep it consistent between episode summaries - there are episodes you ''can't'' refer to him as just "Prime" without introducing an ambiguity, so better to avoid it altogether. We've got SP already, they said they may introduce a Rodimus Prime in S3 or S4, and if we see another Autobot crew at any point, logically they should have a "Prime" even if it's a minor role. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::There's three Prime's in IDW. IF someone says Prime, no one thinks Nova or Sentinel. And the only character referred to as Prime in Animated so far is Optimus. The one time they were both around, it was directed at Optimus only. {{unsigned|GWolfv2}}

==Colossus Rhodes==
I noticed a distinct lack of Colossus Rhodes being mentioned in the summary and the stats. Was he not in this episode? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't believe he was. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
==Spoiler==

Any need for one on an episode page like this? {{unsigned|GWolfv2}}
:Yes. Someone could get here by clicking "Random Page," or just not comprehend that *anybody* could have seen this episode 2 months before its actual airing. It does no harm to keep it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:52, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::Well shouldn't we be sticking one on every new episode then? If you end up on the page Black Friday, it makes sense you guess it might spoil some stuff for Black Friday. Character pages are one thing, you end up there for various reasons...ep guides, if you read the page, you do it for one or two reasons, all of them expect spoilers. {{unsigned|GWolfv2}}

I definitely think we should have the Does Prime Die!? thing at the top of this page. --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 16:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 03:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Summary overhaul==

I think the summary needs a bit of an overhaul. A lot of stuff that seems slightly off, which makes sense since it was just written from memory [[User:GWolfv2]] 00.20 June 5th

==Pretender guys==

I wish we had names for them, since a 2nd appearance would surely take them over from "cool, one-time reference not warranting a page" to "cool recurring reference that needs a page"--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:We could perhaps put them at "Experiments of Prometheus Black" until a better name can be found.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::[[Fusion creature|Meltdown's Experiments]]?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Would have to be [[Fusion creature|Meltdown's experiments]], or Walky smash.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, we certainly don't want that.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:28, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Meltdown's creatures". -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I, uh, almost feel bad for bringing that one up, since the wiki has a long and amusing history regarding purported ''Gurren-Lagann'' references, but the close-up of the pretender guys' faces when they throw Optimus and Grimlock out of the cave ([http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/1319/glmaybeuk5.jpg this one]) is quite similar to the style used in the Gurren-Lagann mid-episode eyecatches ([http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/5247/glza4.jpg sample here]). It struck me since the style was, for one second, so different from the rest of TFA, while the look is [http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7897/gl8mn3.jpg pretty typical] for GL. Since the cartoon trivia section mentions GL references may entirely be possible from season 2 on, I think this one may be fair game.--[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 16:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Grimock's roar ==

Is it worth mentioning in the article somewhere that when Grimlock is menacing Mr. Powell, he emits the Jurassic Park T-rex roar?

[[Special:Contributions/75.33.195.176|75.33.195.176]] 11:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Miscellaneous trivia ==

'This is the first time Optimus mentioned Blackarachnia instead of what he mentioned to Blackarachnia in the 9th episode.'

... Huh? What does that even mean? [[User:Rose.T|Rose.T]] 04:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:...maybe it means it's the first time he calls her Blackarachnia instead of Elita-1?--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 04:57, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

:If it's gibberish, nuke it. In general the trivia notes on Animated episodes are way too long. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

== Thingy ==
Was the thingy meltdown used to take away the spider's robot mode the thing take kept him alive. [[User:Mr. Serious|Mr. Serious]] 19:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
==Forgive the Multiple Edits==
I realized a typo and fixed it. Its 4:37 AM please give some leeway. Plus, I did use the preview button a few times to fix said error. That is all.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Black Friday (episode)

2010-01-14T10:39:09Z

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{{disambig2|the episode of ''Transformers Animated''|the day after Thanksgiving|Black Friday (event)}}

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|ep=26
|image=Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime lasso.jpg
|caption=You should see the pooper scooper.
|title="Black Friday"
|airdate=[[June 4]], 2008
|written by=[[Rich Fogel]]
|directed by= [[Irineo Maramba]] [[Kentaro Mizuno]]
|animation studio=[[Mook]]
}}

'''Blackarachnia enlists Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown, to aid her with a dangerous experiment, while Optimus and Dinobot Grimlock are forced to team up to stop them.'''
:''German title:'' "'''Schwarzer Freitag'''" ("Black Friday")
:''Polish title:'' "'''Czarny Piątek'''" ("Black Friday")

==Synopsis==

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown Bee.jpg|left|thumb|Weirdest funhouse mirror ''ever''.]]
[[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] is growing ever more frustrated by [[Porter C. Powell]]'s callous actions towards both herself and her father, and she wants payback. She and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] visit the maximum-security prison that is the current abode of [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown]], and speak to him in the undissolvable crystalline cube that is his cell. Black sarcastically welcomes them, noting that he has ever so few visitors, and Sari snarks in return that he'd probably have more friends if he wasn't always trying to mutate other people into [[Survival of the Fittest|transformational experiments]]. Sari knows that Black and Powell had once been business partners, and she asks the acidic villain for any information that would help her expose Powell as a criminal. Black asks why he should help her at all, and Sari reminds him that his own misfortunes began with the breakdown of his business partnership with Powell. Meltdown replies—with apparently genuine regret—that Powell was far too canny a businessman ever to get his fingerprints on anything truly illegal. He presents a different plan: If Sari and Bumblebee would be so kind as to break him out of prison, he would happily kill Powell himself. A bit taken aback, Sari insists she isn't willing to go that far, and she and Bumblebee depart. Later that night, however, a massive explosion signifies a break-in at the prison. At first, Meltdown confidently welcomes his visitors, assuming Sari has had a change of heart, but that confidence turns to fear when he sees he is actually being visited by the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] cryptically announces that "she" wants to see Meltdown. Though still afraid of his former flunkies, Meltdown tries to warn them away, pointing out that a prison cell constructed to hold him is indestructible—nothing can get out or in. But the Dinobots don't need to break the box when they can simply ''take'' it.

Meltdown soon finds himself transported to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where the Dinobots are behaving very strangely indeed, chanting and bowing towards a high hill. The object of their interest soon is revealed to be [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who washed up on the island after [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|the recent defeat of Megatron]] and has since used her beauty and wily ways to captivate the simple-minded Dinobots. As she explored the island, she found Meltdown's subterranean lab complex, including his computer files on genetic manipulation. She insists that Black help her [[Megatron (BW) |purge the organic material from her body]], and since she has just drained Grimlock, becoming powerful enough to crack open his supposedly indestructible prison cell with the bonus of the Dinobots being quite willing to follow any command, Black has no choice but to agree.

Back on the mainland, [[Captain Fanzone]] and the Detroit P.D. are investigating the prison break. Porter C. Powell arrives, very agitated by the escape of his evil former associate. He produces security camera footage of Sari's visit, accusing the girl of trying to have him killed. Fanzone asks just how he got his hands on that footage, but Powell becomes more evasive. When the Autobots magnify the camera footage, they can see the Dinobots reflected on the surface of Meltdown's cube. While they ponder what to do about this, Bumblebee's constant chattering begins to wear on [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], who boldly insists that it is ''impossible'' for Bumblebee to remain silent for more than a few cycles. Bumblebee is angered by these doubts against him and tries to show how quiet he can be...which isn't at all, since he pipes in with a self-defense or denial every few moments. This bickering continues as he, Prowl, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] head to Dinobot Island.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday ME GRIMLOCK IN LOVE.jpg|right|thumb|Me Grimlock king, but me want queen.]]
Once they arrive, the Autobots split up to search for evidence. Prowl finds more of Meltdown's burnt footprints, as well as yet more proof that Bumblebee really can't pipe down, since he keeps calling Prowl's name. But when Prowl investigates, he sees Bumblebee had good reason to yell: He's caught in a giant web and deactivated. Shortly thereafter, Blackarachnia attacks Prowl and deactivates him too. Rushing to help, Optimus attempts to confront Blackarachnia, but she is able to flatter and cajole Grimlock into defending her (and soundly walloping Optimus). There's no time for a real fight, though, as Blackarachnia has loaded up both Prowl and Bumblebee with a potentially lethal dose of her cybervenom. They will die unless she administers the antidote within 2 megacycles, and she'll only do that if Optimus helps Grimlock locate Meltdown's genetic modifier to make the experiment work.

[[Image:Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime Powell.jpg|thumb|left|175px|No, Grimlock! He needs to show us the genetic modifier. ''Then'' you can eat him.]]
Returning to the mainland, Optimus and Grimlock attempt to work together, but it's difficult because Grimlock simply will not hear that Blackarachnia might be using him or would in any way be deceiving him. For his part, Grimlock doesn't want to work with "puny" Optimus, but has no choice, as only Optimus knows where Meltdown's original workshop had been. They find the workshop, untouched and in the same state of disrepair as [[Total Meltdown|when Black had his drastic accident]]. As they search for the genetic modifier, they are discovered by Porter C. Powell, who owns the facilities Black had been using before his accident. He orders them to leave and won't assist them in finding the device they need, but he changes his tune after Optimus has Grimlock snatch up the little man and imprison him inside his mouth for a while. The unlikely Autobot duo retrieves the genetic modifier and heads back to the island.

Once he has the necessary tools and Blackarachnia strapped down to his lab table (for her own safety, of course, he swears), Meltdown decides to change his lab procedure ever so slightly. Reminding his captor-turned-prisoner of his longstanding hatred of robots, he will still be genetically separating Blackarachnia's organic and mechanical elements...but now the mechanical will be discarded and only the organics left behind, and his goal of having created a [[Noble|purely organic transforming being]] will have been realized. Optimus and Grimlock attempt to stop Meltdown, but he summons reinforcements: his earlier mutant creations, who appear quite a bit stronger now and manage to force the robots outside the lab and battle them fairly evenly. Things aren't helped when Grimlock, in his shortsighted fury, ignores Optimus's warnings and uses his flaming sword so carelessly that it practically burns down the entire island. The tide finally turns with the arrival of the other two Dinobots. [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] lifts one of the mutants completely clear of the battlefield, keeping it from attacking further, while [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] pounds the other senseless with his giant, flaming cudgel.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown melts.jpg|right|thumb|I'm mellttiinngg!]]
Optimus extinguishes the flames, then races back into the lab. He manages to detach the genetic modifier from the lab equipment, stopping the procedure before Blackarachnia can be divided up. An enraged Meltdown attacks Optimus and begins to melt his chest armor, but during the course of the action, Meltdown's body surface comes into contact with the genetic modifier. It unleashes a massive dose of energy into him, apparently causing his body to lose cohesion and degenerate into a pure liquid state, oozing out of his containment suit and leaking through cracks in the floor. Optimus frees Blackarachnia from her bonds on the table, and she senses an easy way to escape: Feigning weakness, she asks Optimus to come closer and hold her tight...as Grimlock is watching. His predictable jealousy makes him attack Optimus once again, and the sneaky spider manages to escape. When he finally sees she is gone, Grimlock begs her to return and professes his love for her, but it is too late.

A despairing Optimus returns to the web-covered bodies of Prowl and Bumblebee in the forest, apologizing to them that he was unable to rescue them in time. Then he notices the antidote has been placed right next to them. He quickly administers it just in the nick of time. Bumblebee notes with pride that he did indeed manage to remain totally silent for the whole 2 megacycles. When Prowl protests that it doesn't really count because he was unconscious and paralyzed, they have a rousing argument about the nature of the rules of their bet. An enraged Powell demands that Fanzone arrest Optimus Prime for assault and theft, but Fanzone says he's more inclined to arrest Powell for being a public nuisance and walks off. Optimus Prime begins to wonder if maybe, underneath it all, there is some good left in Blackarachnia, since (apparently) she did leave the antidote for him.

Later, in the island's abandoned underground lab, puddles of nasty-looking acidic goo begin to coalesce together around an empty containment suit. As the merging lump grows bigger, a familiar face appears on its surface. You can't keep a bad guy down....

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (5)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (6)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (11)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (12)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (13)
|c2=
*[[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] (8)
|c3 =
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (2)
*[[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] (3)
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (4)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Blackarachnia''': You want to steal a kiss from me? 
''[Grimlock nods eagerly and puckers up, and Blackarachnia drains his powers.]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': But that means I steal something from you too! 
''[Shoots a stream of flame at Snarl and Swoop]''
:—Blackarachnia: every evil girlfriend you've ever had rolled into one.

"Aren't they just the cutest things? They worship me. Its flattering a primitive sort of way. 
But it gets real old, [[Lugnut|real fast!]]":- Blackarachnia lurns how Megatron feels.

"I'm not going anywhere! This cell is impenetrable, much like that thick skull of yours. No one can break in or out." 
"Dinobots not break box. Dinobots ''take'' box!"
:—Meltdown gets "released" from prison by Grimlock

'''Blackarachnia''': With your help, I can finally purge myself of this accursed organic contamination. 
''[Transforms]'' 
'''Meltdown''': Ooh la la. Actually, that's a much better look for you. Why would I help you get rid of it? 
'''Blackarachnia''': Because it would make me very unhappy if you didn't. And when I'm unhappy, they're unhappy! 
'''Grimlock''': RAAARRR! Unhappy!
:—Like his [[Grimlock (G1)|predecessor]], Grimlock makes a simple sentence [[War of the Dinobots#Quotes|freaking terrifying.]]

''[Porter C. Powell shows Captain Fanzone prison security footage of Meltdown and Sari]'' 
'''Fanzone''': I don't suppose you wanna tell me how you came into possession of that recording? 
'''Powell''': What's does it matter where I got it?! I'm—I'm not on trial here, Captain! My life could be in danger. I deserve protection! 
'''Fanzone''': Oh, you want protection? Get a Schnauzer.
:—Fanzone shows Porter Powell that wealth can't buy respect for a big enough jerk.

[[Image:Jurassic Grimlock.JPG|thumb|Dinobots RULE!]]
'''Optimus Prime:''' "We're not here to scare people! We're here to get Meltdown's genetic modifier. Maybe you'd be less conspicuous in robot mode." 
'''Grimlock:''' "Okay..." ''[transforms]'' "But me Grimlock still taller than YOU. That why Spider-Lady like me Grimlock best."
:—Pissing contest, Transformer-style.

'''Optimus''': Grimlock, as soon as she gets that genetic modifier, she'll drop us like a used engine block. 
'''Grimlock''': Autobot bad. Me Grimlock go alone! 
''[Grimlock walks away down an alley, then comes back]'' 
'''Grimlock''': Uh...where me Grimlock find genetic thingy? 
'''Optimus''': Oh, come on. I know who can get it. 
'''Grimlock''': Me Grimlock go with you....but me Grimlock go with you ALONE! 
:—Grimlock shows Optimus Prime what's what.

'''Grimlock''': Uh, me Grimlock not supposed to scare puny humans. 
'''Optimus''': ''This one'' you can scare all you want. 
'''Grimlock''': THEN GIVE US THINGY! NOW!!! 
''[transforms into beast mode, then grabs Powell with his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': What thingy?! What's he talking about?! 
'''Optimus''': Prometheus Black's genetic modifier? 
'''Powell''': Never heard of it. 
'''Optimus''': Did I mention that my partner is awfully hungry? 
''[Grimlock throws Powell into the air and catches him in his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': Y-you can have it! I know where it is!
:—After months of utter dickishness, Porter C. Powell finally ends up where he belongs—Grimlock's mouth.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Him Did It.jpg|thumb|right|Him [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|truck]] pushed me.]]
'''Powell''': Don't touch anything! Since he went bankrupt, technically, all this belongs to me. 
''[Grimlock falls and breaks everything]'' 
'''Grimlock''': ''[points at Optimus]'' Him did it. 
:—Like a toddler, Grimlock blames Optimus for everything.

'''Meltdown:''' Shall we proceed then? ''[plugs in genetic modifier]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': Whatever it takes to get rid of this foul half of myself. 
'''Meltdown''': Uhhhh...about that. I should probably mention a slight change in plans. 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''What?'' 
'''Meltdown''': Don't worry! I ''will'' be purging half of your techno-organic form...just not the half you think. 
'''Blackarachnia''': You slimy traitor! You can't! I won't let you! 
'''Meltdown''': I guess the Dinobots never mentioned my ''disdain'' for machines. Once we eliminate all your robotic circuitry, your remaining arachnid tissue will be perfect for my genetic experiments, and I will finally achieve my dream of creating a transforming organic! 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''NOOOOO!'' 
'''Meltdown''': It's time for your extreme ''MAKEOVER!'' ''[throws the lever]''
:—Blackarachnia learns that it's not nice to screw with Meltdown.

''[Prowl and Bumblebee wake up after being cured by Blackarachnia's venom]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Uhh...how long have we been here? 
'''Optimus''': Almost two mega-cycles. 
'''Bumblebee''': Ha! And you said I couldn't go ten cycles without talking! 
'''Prowl''': Mmm-hmm, all it took was being paralyzed. 
'''Bumblebee''': What, you're making new rules now? I don't think so! Pay up with that sweet axle grease.
:—Prowl and Bumblebee debate the rules of their bet.

==Notes==

===Animation or technical errors===
* When Meltdown gets his face and hands "splattered" against the wall in his cell, his hands ooze out, despite his gloves being closed.
* When the Dinobots are arguing amongst themselves, Snarl's face briefly loses its red, and Swoop is shown in his beast mode.

===Transformers references===
* Blackarachnia references the defeat of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] in "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]".

===Real-world references===
* The title is a reference to [[Black Friday (event)|the day after Thanksgiving]], a traditionally busy shopping day in the U.S., on which [[Hasbro]] often releases [[exclusive]]s.
* Grimlock's groaning cry of "Fire Bad" is a reference to the Tarzan-Tonto-Frankenstein's Monster sketches from ''Saturday Night Live''. At one of the voice actor panels at, Botcon 2008, David Kaye mentioned that he'd specifically been directed to insert elements of the ''SNL'' Frankenstein's Monster into his Grimlock performance.
* Grimlock uses the T-Rex sound effect from the movie [[wikipedia:Jurassic Park (film)|Jurassic Park]] when he "swallows" Porter C. Powell.

===Trivia===
* Bulkhead and Ratchet appear, but do not speak.

* This episode showcases a [[stock footage|detailed transformation]] for Optimus Prime, Prowl and Bumblebee.

* Optimus states that Prowl knows Dinobot Island like the back of his hand and tells Prowl and Bumblebee to come with him, yet it is Bulkhead who has been on the island many times with Prowl. Maybe Optimus wants to see who wins the bet?#

* In some shots, the button that makes Grimlock's toy chomp its jaws can be seen on his neck.

* It appears to be common knowledge that Porter C. Powell was Prometheus Black's business partner, yet in "[[Blast from the Past]]", he is seen among the group that witnesses the showing of the Dinobots, implying that he is working for Sumdac Systems at this point. Why would [[Isaac Sumdac]] hire the former partner of his bitterest corporate rival?

* Grimlock states that Autobots are bad. Perhaps Grimlock is forgetting that ''he's'' an Autobot?

* According to Grimlock, Dinobots rule. We already knew that.

* This is the second Transformers episode where a voice actor [[The Low Road|spends most of it arguing with himself]], although [[Scott McNeil]] usually managed it for at least 5 minutes [[Dinobot (BW)|every]] [[Rattrap|episode]].

* [[Colossus Rhodes]] is decidedly absent from this episode, despite being arrested with Meltdown. Maybe he got a cushy job in the prison library?

* This is the second episode to include [[Fusion creature|Meltdown's bat/human and shark/human hybrid experiments]].

* So, why ''was'' Powell watching Meltdown? Expecting revenge from his former client?

==External links==
* [http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc9a293f80197 "Black Friday" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Black Friday (episode)

2010-01-14T10:35:39Z

70.234.111.120: /* Quotes */

{{disambig2|the episode of ''Transformers Animated''|the day after Thanksgiving|Black Friday (event)}}

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|ep=26
|image=Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime lasso.jpg
|caption=You should see the pooper scooper.
|title="Black Friday"
|airdate=[[June 4]], 2008
|written by=[[Rich Fogel]]
|directed by= [[Irineo Maramba]] [[Kentaro Mizuno]]
|animation studio=[[Mook]]
}}

'''Blackarachnia enlists Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown, to aid her with a dangerous experiment, while Optimus and Dinobot Grimlock are forced to team up to stop them.'''
:''German title:'' "'''Schwarzer Freitag'''" ("Black Friday")
:''Polish title:'' "'''Czarny Piątek'''" ("Black Friday")

==Synopsis==

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown Bee.jpg|left|thumb|Weirdest funhouse mirror ''ever''.]]
[[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] is growing ever more frustrated by [[Porter C. Powell]]'s callous actions towards both herself and her father, and she wants payback. She and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] visit the maximum-security prison that is the current abode of [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown]], and speak to him in the undissolvable crystalline cube that is his cell. Black sarcastically welcomes them, noting that he has ever so few visitors, and Sari snarks in return that he'd probably have more friends if he wasn't always trying to mutate other people into [[Survival of the Fittest|transformational experiments]]. Sari knows that Black and Powell had once been business partners, and she asks the acidic villain for any information that would help her expose Powell as a criminal. Black asks why he should help her at all, and Sari reminds him that his own misfortunes began with the breakdown of his business partnership with Powell. Meltdown replies—with apparently genuine regret—that Powell was far too canny a businessman ever to get his fingerprints on anything truly illegal. He presents a different plan: If Sari and Bumblebee would be so kind as to break him out of prison, he would happily kill Powell himself. A bit taken aback, Sari insists she isn't willing to go that far, and she and Bumblebee depart. Later that night, however, a massive explosion signifies a break-in at the prison. At first, Meltdown confidently welcomes his visitors, assuming Sari has had a change of heart, but that confidence turns to fear when he sees he is actually being visited by the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] cryptically announces that "she" wants to see Meltdown. Though still afraid of his former flunkies, Meltdown tries to warn them away, pointing out that a prison cell constructed to hold him is indestructible—nothing can get out or in. But the Dinobots don't need to break the box when they can simply ''take'' it.

Meltdown soon finds himself transported to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where the Dinobots are behaving very strangely indeed, chanting and bowing towards a high hill. The object of their interest soon is revealed to be [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who washed up on the island after [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|the recent defeat of Megatron]] and has since used her beauty and wily ways to captivate the simple-minded Dinobots. As she explored the island, she found Meltdown's subterranean lab complex, including his computer files on genetic manipulation. She insists that Black help her [[Megatron (BW) |purge the organic material from her body]], and since she has just drained Grimlock, becoming powerful enough to crack open his supposedly indestructible prison cell with the bonus of the Dinobots being quite willing to follow any command, Black has no choice but to agree.

Back on the mainland, [[Captain Fanzone]] and the Detroit P.D. are investigating the prison break. Porter C. Powell arrives, very agitated by the escape of his evil former associate. He produces security camera footage of Sari's visit, accusing the girl of trying to have him killed. Fanzone asks just how he got his hands on that footage, but Powell becomes more evasive. When the Autobots magnify the camera footage, they can see the Dinobots reflected on the surface of Meltdown's cube. While they ponder what to do about this, Bumblebee's constant chattering begins to wear on [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], who boldly insists that it is ''impossible'' for Bumblebee to remain silent for more than a few cycles. Bumblebee is angered by these doubts against him and tries to show how quiet he can be...which isn't at all, since he pipes in with a self-defense or denial every few moments. This bickering continues as he, Prowl, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] head to Dinobot Island.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday ME GRIMLOCK IN LOVE.jpg|right|thumb|Me Grimlock king, but me want queen.]]
Once they arrive, the Autobots split up to search for evidence. Prowl finds more of Meltdown's burnt footprints, as well as yet more proof that Bumblebee really can't pipe down, since he keeps calling Prowl's name. But when Prowl investigates, he sees Bumblebee had good reason to yell: He's caught in a giant web and deactivated. Shortly thereafter, Blackarachnia attacks Prowl and deactivates him too. Rushing to help, Optimus attempts to confront Blackarachnia, but she is able to flatter and cajole Grimlock into defending her (and soundly walloping Optimus). There's no time for a real fight, though, as Blackarachnia has loaded up both Prowl and Bumblebee with a potentially lethal dose of her cybervenom. They will die unless she administers the antidote within 2 megacycles, and she'll only do that if Optimus helps Grimlock locate Meltdown's genetic modifier to make the experiment work.

[[Image:Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime Powell.jpg|thumb|left|175px|No, Grimlock! He needs to show us the genetic modifier. ''Then'' you can eat him.]]
Returning to the mainland, Optimus and Grimlock attempt to work together, but it's difficult because Grimlock simply will not hear that Blackarachnia might be using him or would in any way be deceiving him. For his part, Grimlock doesn't want to work with "puny" Optimus, but has no choice, as only Optimus knows where Meltdown's original workshop had been. They find the workshop, untouched and in the same state of disrepair as [[Total Meltdown|when Black had his drastic accident]]. As they search for the genetic modifier, they are discovered by Porter C. Powell, who owns the facilities Black had been using before his accident. He orders them to leave and won't assist them in finding the device they need, but he changes his tune after Optimus has Grimlock snatch up the little man and imprison him inside his mouth for a while. The unlikely Autobot duo retrieves the genetic modifier and heads back to the island.

Once he has the necessary tools and Blackarachnia strapped down to his lab table (for her own safety, of course, he swears), Meltdown decides to change his lab procedure ever so slightly. Reminding his captor-turned-prisoner of his longstanding hatred of robots, he will still be genetically separating Blackarachnia's organic and mechanical elements...but now the mechanical will be discarded and only the organics left behind, and his goal of having created a [[Noble|purely organic transforming being]] will have been realized. Optimus and Grimlock attempt to stop Meltdown, but he summons reinforcements: his earlier mutant creations, who appear quite a bit stronger now and manage to force the robots outside the lab and battle them fairly evenly. Things aren't helped when Grimlock, in his shortsighted fury, ignores Optimus's warnings and uses his flaming sword so carelessly that it practically burns down the entire island. The tide finally turns with the arrival of the other two Dinobots. [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] lifts one of the mutants completely clear of the battlefield, keeping it from attacking further, while [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] pounds the other senseless with his giant, flaming cudgel.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown melts.jpg|right|thumb|I'm mellttiinngg!]]
Optimus extinguishes the flames, then races back into the lab. He manages to detach the genetic modifier from the lab equipment, stopping the procedure before Blackarachnia can be divided up. An enraged Meltdown attacks Optimus and begins to melt his chest armor, but during the course of the action, Meltdown's body surface comes into contact with the genetic modifier. It unleashes a massive dose of energy into him, apparently causing his body to lose cohesion and degenerate into a pure liquid state, oozing out of his containment suit and leaking through cracks in the floor. Optimus frees Blackarachnia from her bonds on the table, and she senses an easy way to escape: Feigning weakness, she asks Optimus to come closer and hold her tight...as Grimlock is watching. His predictable jealousy makes him attack Optimus once again, and the sneaky spider manages to escape. When he finally sees she is gone, Grimlock begs her to return and professes his love for her, but it is too late.

A despairing Optimus returns to the web-covered bodies of Prowl and Bumblebee in the forest, apologizing to them that he was unable to rescue them in time. Then he notices the antidote has been placed right next to them. He quickly administers it just in the nick of time. Bumblebee notes with pride that he did indeed manage to remain totally silent for the whole 2 megacycles. When Prowl protests that it doesn't really count because he was unconscious and paralyzed, they have a rousing argument about the nature of the rules of their bet. An enraged Powell demands that Fanzone arrest Optimus Prime for assault and theft, but Fanzone says he's more inclined to arrest Powell for being a public nuisance and walks off. Optimus Prime begins to wonder if maybe, underneath it all, there is some good left in Blackarachnia, since (apparently) she did leave the antidote for him.

Later, in the island's abandoned underground lab, puddles of nasty-looking acidic goo begin to coalesce together around an empty containment suit. As the merging lump grows bigger, a familiar face appears on its surface. You can't keep a bad guy down....

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*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (5)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (6)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (11)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (12)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (13)
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*[[Sari Sumdac]] (2)
*[[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] (3)
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (4)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Blackarachnia''': You want to steal a kiss from me? 
''[Grimlock nods eagerly and puckers up, and Blackarachnia drains his powers.]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': But that means I steal something from you too! 
''[Shoots a stream of flame at Snarl and Swoop]''
:—Blackarachnia: every evil girlfriend you've ever had rolled into one.

"Aren't they just the cutest things? " 
"They worship me. Its flattering a primitive sort of way." 
"But it gets real old, [[Lugnut|real fast!]]":- Blackarachnia lurns how Megatron feels.

"I'm not going anywhere! This cell is impenetrable, much like that thick skull of yours. No one can break in or out." 
"Dinobots not break box. Dinobots ''take'' box!"
:—Meltdown gets "released" from prison by Grimlock

'''Blackarachnia''': With your help, I can finally purge myself of this accursed organic contamination. 
''[Transforms]'' 
'''Meltdown''': Ooh la la. Actually, that's a much better look for you. Why would I help you get rid of it? 
'''Blackarachnia''': Because it would make me very unhappy if you didn't. And when I'm unhappy, they're unhappy! 
'''Grimlock''': RAAARRR! Unhappy!
:—Like his [[Grimlock (G1)|predecessor]], Grimlock makes a simple sentence [[War of the Dinobots#Quotes|freaking terrifying.]]

''[Porter C. Powell shows Captain Fanzone prison security footage of Meltdown and Sari]'' 
'''Fanzone''': I don't suppose you wanna tell me how you came into possession of that recording? 
'''Powell''': What's does it matter where I got it?! I'm—I'm not on trial here, Captain! My life could be in danger. I deserve protection! 
'''Fanzone''': Oh, you want protection? Get a Schnauzer.
:—Fanzone shows Porter Powell that wealth can't buy respect for a big enough jerk.

[[Image:Jurassic Grimlock.JPG|thumb|Dinobots RULE!]]
'''Optimus Prime:''' "We're not here to scare people! We're here to get Meltdown's genetic modifier. Maybe you'd be less conspicuous in robot mode." 
'''Grimlock:''' "Okay..." ''[transforms]'' "But me Grimlock still taller than YOU. That why Spider-Lady like me Grimlock best."
:—Pissing contest, Transformer-style.

'''Optimus''': Grimlock, as soon as she gets that genetic modifier, she'll drop us like a used engine block. 
'''Grimlock''': Autobot bad. Me Grimlock go alone! 
''[Grimlock walks away down an alley, then comes back]'' 
'''Grimlock''': Uh...where me Grimlock find genetic thingy? 
'''Optimus''': Oh, come on. I know who can get it. 
'''Grimlock''': Me Grimlock go with you....but me Grimlock go with you ALONE! 
:—Grimlock shows Optimus Prime what's what.

'''Grimlock''': Uh, me Grimlock not supposed to scare puny humans. 
'''Optimus''': ''This one'' you can scare all you want. 
'''Grimlock''': THEN GIVE US THINGY! NOW!!! 
''[transforms into beast mode, then grabs Powell with his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': What thingy?! What's he talking about?! 
'''Optimus''': Prometheus Black's genetic modifier? 
'''Powell''': Never heard of it. 
'''Optimus''': Did I mention that my partner is awfully hungry? 
''[Grimlock throws Powell into the air and catches him in his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': Y-you can have it! I know where it is!
:—After months of utter dickishness, Porter C. Powell finally ends up where he belongs—Grimlock's mouth.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Him Did It.jpg|thumb|right|Him [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|truck]] pushed me.]]
'''Powell''': Don't touch anything! Since he went bankrupt, technically, all this belongs to me. 
''[Grimlock falls and breaks everything]'' 
'''Grimlock''': ''[points at Optimus]'' Him did it. 
:—Like a toddler, Grimlock blames Optimus for everything.

'''Meltdown:''' Shall we proceed then? ''[plugs in genetic modifier]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': Whatever it takes to get rid of this foul half of myself. 
'''Meltdown''': Uhhhh...about that. I should probably mention a slight change in plans. 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''What?'' 
'''Meltdown''': Don't worry! I ''will'' be purging half of your techno-organic form...just not the half you think. 
'''Blackarachnia''': You slimy traitor! You can't! I won't let you! 
'''Meltdown''': I guess the Dinobots never mentioned my ''disdain'' for machines. Once we eliminate all your robotic circuitry, your remaining arachnid tissue will be perfect for my genetic experiments, and I will finally achieve my dream of creating a transforming organic! 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''NOOOOO!'' 
'''Meltdown''': It's time for your extreme ''MAKEOVER!'' ''[throws the lever]''
:—Blackarachnia learns that it's not nice to screw with Meltdown.

''[Prowl and Bumblebee wake up after being cured by Blackarachnia's venom]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Uhh...how long have we been here? 
'''Optimus''': Almost two mega-cycles. 
'''Bumblebee''': Ha! And you said I couldn't go ten cycles without talking! 
'''Prowl''': Mmm-hmm, all it took was being paralyzed. 
'''Bumblebee''': What, you're making new rules now? I don't think so! Pay up with that sweet axle grease.
:—Prowl and Bumblebee debate the rules of their bet.

==Notes==

===Animation or technical errors===
* When Meltdown gets his face and hands "splattered" against the wall in his cell, his hands ooze out, despite his gloves being closed.
* When the Dinobots are arguing amongst themselves, Snarl's face briefly loses its red, and Swoop is shown in his beast mode.

===Transformers references===
* Blackarachnia references the defeat of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] in "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]".

===Real-world references===
* The title is a reference to [[Black Friday (event)|the day after Thanksgiving]], a traditionally busy shopping day in the U.S., on which [[Hasbro]] often releases [[exclusive]]s.
* Grimlock's groaning cry of "Fire Bad" is a reference to the Tarzan-Tonto-Frankenstein's Monster sketches from ''Saturday Night Live''. At one of the voice actor panels at, Botcon 2008, David Kaye mentioned that he'd specifically been directed to insert elements of the ''SNL'' Frankenstein's Monster into his Grimlock performance.
* Grimlock uses the T-Rex sound effect from the movie [[wikipedia:Jurassic Park (film)|Jurassic Park]] when he "swallows" Porter C. Powell.

===Trivia===
* Bulkhead and Ratchet appear, but do not speak.

* This episode showcases a [[stock footage|detailed transformation]] for Optimus Prime, Prowl and Bumblebee.

* Optimus states that Prowl knows Dinobot Island like the back of his hand and tells Prowl and Bumblebee to come with him, yet it is Bulkhead who has been on the island many times with Prowl. Maybe Optimus wants to see who wins the bet?#

* In some shots, the button that makes Grimlock's toy chomp its jaws can be seen on his neck.

* It appears to be common knowledge that Porter C. Powell was Prometheus Black's business partner, yet in "[[Blast from the Past]]", he is seen among the group that witnesses the showing of the Dinobots, implying that he is working for Sumdac Systems at this point. Why would [[Isaac Sumdac]] hire the former partner of his bitterest corporate rival?

* Grimlock states that Autobots are bad. Perhaps Grimlock is forgetting that ''he's'' an Autobot?

* According to Grimlock, Dinobots rule. We already knew that.

* This is the second Transformers episode where a voice actor [[The Low Road|spends most of it arguing with himself]], although [[Scott McNeil]] usually managed it for at least 5 minutes [[Dinobot (BW)|every]] [[Rattrap|episode]].

* [[Colossus Rhodes]] is decidedly absent from this episode, despite being arrested with Meltdown. Maybe he got a cushy job in the prison library?

* This is the second episode to include [[Fusion creature|Meltdown's bat/human and shark/human hybrid experiments]].

* So, why ''was'' Powell watching Meltdown? Expecting revenge from his former client?

==External links==
* [http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc9a293f80197 "Black Friday" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Black Friday (episode)

2010-01-14T10:33:49Z

70.234.111.120: /* Quotes */

{{disambig2|the episode of ''Transformers Animated''|the day after Thanksgiving|Black Friday (event)}}

{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|ep=26
|image=Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime lasso.jpg
|caption=You should see the pooper scooper.
|title="Black Friday"
|airdate=[[June 4]], 2008
|written by=[[Rich Fogel]]
|directed by= [[Irineo Maramba]] [[Kentaro Mizuno]]
|animation studio=[[Mook]]
}}

'''Blackarachnia enlists Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown, to aid her with a dangerous experiment, while Optimus and Dinobot Grimlock are forced to team up to stop them.'''
:''German title:'' "'''Schwarzer Freitag'''" ("Black Friday")
:''Polish title:'' "'''Czarny Piątek'''" ("Black Friday")

==Synopsis==

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown Bee.jpg|left|thumb|Weirdest funhouse mirror ''ever''.]]
[[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] is growing ever more frustrated by [[Porter C. Powell]]'s callous actions towards both herself and her father, and she wants payback. She and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] visit the maximum-security prison that is the current abode of [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black, a.k.a. Meltdown]], and speak to him in the undissolvable crystalline cube that is his cell. Black sarcastically welcomes them, noting that he has ever so few visitors, and Sari snarks in return that he'd probably have more friends if he wasn't always trying to mutate other people into [[Survival of the Fittest|transformational experiments]]. Sari knows that Black and Powell had once been business partners, and she asks the acidic villain for any information that would help her expose Powell as a criminal. Black asks why he should help her at all, and Sari reminds him that his own misfortunes began with the breakdown of his business partnership with Powell. Meltdown replies—with apparently genuine regret—that Powell was far too canny a businessman ever to get his fingerprints on anything truly illegal. He presents a different plan: If Sari and Bumblebee would be so kind as to break him out of prison, he would happily kill Powell himself. A bit taken aback, Sari insists she isn't willing to go that far, and she and Bumblebee depart. Later that night, however, a massive explosion signifies a break-in at the prison. At first, Meltdown confidently welcomes his visitors, assuming Sari has had a change of heart, but that confidence turns to fear when he sees he is actually being visited by the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] cryptically announces that "she" wants to see Meltdown. Though still afraid of his former flunkies, Meltdown tries to warn them away, pointing out that a prison cell constructed to hold him is indestructible—nothing can get out or in. But the Dinobots don't need to break the box when they can simply ''take'' it.

Meltdown soon finds himself transported to [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]], where the Dinobots are behaving very strangely indeed, chanting and bowing towards a high hill. The object of their interest soon is revealed to be [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who washed up on the island after [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|the recent defeat of Megatron]] and has since used her beauty and wily ways to captivate the simple-minded Dinobots. As she explored the island, she found Meltdown's subterranean lab complex, including his computer files on genetic manipulation. She insists that Black help her [[Megatron (BW) |purge the organic material from her body]], and since she has just drained Grimlock, becoming powerful enough to crack open his supposedly indestructible prison cell with the bonus of the Dinobots being quite willing to follow any command, Black has no choice but to agree.

Back on the mainland, [[Captain Fanzone]] and the Detroit P.D. are investigating the prison break. Porter C. Powell arrives, very agitated by the escape of his evil former associate. He produces security camera footage of Sari's visit, accusing the girl of trying to have him killed. Fanzone asks just how he got his hands on that footage, but Powell becomes more evasive. When the Autobots magnify the camera footage, they can see the Dinobots reflected on the surface of Meltdown's cube. While they ponder what to do about this, Bumblebee's constant chattering begins to wear on [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], who boldly insists that it is ''impossible'' for Bumblebee to remain silent for more than a few cycles. Bumblebee is angered by these doubts against him and tries to show how quiet he can be...which isn't at all, since he pipes in with a self-defense or denial every few moments. This bickering continues as he, Prowl, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] head to Dinobot Island.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday ME GRIMLOCK IN LOVE.jpg|right|thumb|Me Grimlock king, but me want queen.]]
Once they arrive, the Autobots split up to search for evidence. Prowl finds more of Meltdown's burnt footprints, as well as yet more proof that Bumblebee really can't pipe down, since he keeps calling Prowl's name. But when Prowl investigates, he sees Bumblebee had good reason to yell: He's caught in a giant web and deactivated. Shortly thereafter, Blackarachnia attacks Prowl and deactivates him too. Rushing to help, Optimus attempts to confront Blackarachnia, but she is able to flatter and cajole Grimlock into defending her (and soundly walloping Optimus). There's no time for a real fight, though, as Blackarachnia has loaded up both Prowl and Bumblebee with a potentially lethal dose of her cybervenom. They will die unless she administers the antidote within 2 megacycles, and she'll only do that if Optimus helps Grimlock locate Meltdown's genetic modifier to make the experiment work.

[[Image:Animated Black Friday Grimlock Prime Powell.jpg|thumb|left|175px|No, Grimlock! He needs to show us the genetic modifier. ''Then'' you can eat him.]]
Returning to the mainland, Optimus and Grimlock attempt to work together, but it's difficult because Grimlock simply will not hear that Blackarachnia might be using him or would in any way be deceiving him. For his part, Grimlock doesn't want to work with "puny" Optimus, but has no choice, as only Optimus knows where Meltdown's original workshop had been. They find the workshop, untouched and in the same state of disrepair as [[Total Meltdown|when Black had his drastic accident]]. As they search for the genetic modifier, they are discovered by Porter C. Powell, who owns the facilities Black had been using before his accident. He orders them to leave and won't assist them in finding the device they need, but he changes his tune after Optimus has Grimlock snatch up the little man and imprison him inside his mouth for a while. The unlikely Autobot duo retrieves the genetic modifier and heads back to the island.

Once he has the necessary tools and Blackarachnia strapped down to his lab table (for her own safety, of course, he swears), Meltdown decides to change his lab procedure ever so slightly. Reminding his captor-turned-prisoner of his longstanding hatred of robots, he will still be genetically separating Blackarachnia's organic and mechanical elements...but now the mechanical will be discarded and only the organics left behind, and his goal of having created a [[Noble|purely organic transforming being]] will have been realized. Optimus and Grimlock attempt to stop Meltdown, but he summons reinforcements: his earlier mutant creations, who appear quite a bit stronger now and manage to force the robots outside the lab and battle them fairly evenly. Things aren't helped when Grimlock, in his shortsighted fury, ignores Optimus's warnings and uses his flaming sword so carelessly that it practically burns down the entire island. The tide finally turns with the arrival of the other two Dinobots. [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] lifts one of the mutants completely clear of the battlefield, keeping it from attacking further, while [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] pounds the other senseless with his giant, flaming cudgel.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Meltdown melts.jpg|right|thumb|I'm mellttiinngg!]]
Optimus extinguishes the flames, then races back into the lab. He manages to detach the genetic modifier from the lab equipment, stopping the procedure before Blackarachnia can be divided up. An enraged Meltdown attacks Optimus and begins to melt his chest armor, but during the course of the action, Meltdown's body surface comes into contact with the genetic modifier. It unleashes a massive dose of energy into him, apparently causing his body to lose cohesion and degenerate into a pure liquid state, oozing out of his containment suit and leaking through cracks in the floor. Optimus frees Blackarachnia from her bonds on the table, and she senses an easy way to escape: Feigning weakness, she asks Optimus to come closer and hold her tight...as Grimlock is watching. His predictable jealousy makes him attack Optimus once again, and the sneaky spider manages to escape. When he finally sees she is gone, Grimlock begs her to return and professes his love for her, but it is too late.

A despairing Optimus returns to the web-covered bodies of Prowl and Bumblebee in the forest, apologizing to them that he was unable to rescue them in time. Then he notices the antidote has been placed right next to them. He quickly administers it just in the nick of time. Bumblebee notes with pride that he did indeed manage to remain totally silent for the whole 2 megacycles. When Prowl protests that it doesn't really count because he was unconscious and paralyzed, they have a rousing argument about the nature of the rules of their bet. An enraged Powell demands that Fanzone arrest Optimus Prime for assault and theft, but Fanzone says he's more inclined to arrest Powell for being a public nuisance and walks off. Optimus Prime begins to wonder if maybe, underneath it all, there is some good left in Blackarachnia, since (apparently) she did leave the antidote for him.

Later, in the island's abandoned underground lab, puddles of nasty-looking acidic goo begin to coalesce together around an empty containment suit. As the merging lump grows bigger, a familiar face appears on its surface. You can't keep a bad guy down....

==Featured characters==
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*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (5)
*[[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (6)
*[[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (7)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (11)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (12)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (13)
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*[[Sari Sumdac]] (2)
*[[Meltdown (Animated)|Meltdown]] (3)
*[[Porter C. Powell]] (4)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Blackarachnia''': You want to steal a kiss from me? 
''[Grimlock nods eagerly and puckers up, and Blackarachnia drains his powers.]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': But that means I steal something from you too! 
''[Shoots a stream of flame at Snarl and Swoop]''
:—Blackarachnia: every evil girlfriend you've ever had rolled into one.

"Aren't they just the cutest things? They worship me. Its flattering a primitive sort of way. But it gets real old, [[Lugnut|real fast!]]

"I'm not going anywhere! This cell is impenetrable, much like that thick skull of yours. No one can break in or out." 
"Dinobots not break box. Dinobots ''take'' box!"
:—Meltdown gets "released" from prison by Grimlock

'''Blackarachnia''': With your help, I can finally purge myself of this accursed organic contamination. 
''[Transforms]'' 
'''Meltdown''': Ooh la la. Actually, that's a much better look for you. Why would I help you get rid of it? 
'''Blackarachnia''': Because it would make me very unhappy if you didn't. And when I'm unhappy, they're unhappy! 
'''Grimlock''': RAAARRR! Unhappy!
:—Like his [[Grimlock (G1)|predecessor]], Grimlock makes a simple sentence [[War of the Dinobots#Quotes|freaking terrifying.]]

''[Porter C. Powell shows Captain Fanzone prison security footage of Meltdown and Sari]'' 
'''Fanzone''': I don't suppose you wanna tell me how you came into possession of that recording? 
'''Powell''': What's does it matter where I got it?! I'm—I'm not on trial here, Captain! My life could be in danger. I deserve protection! 
'''Fanzone''': Oh, you want protection? Get a Schnauzer.
:—Fanzone shows Porter Powell that wealth can't buy respect for a big enough jerk.

[[Image:Jurassic Grimlock.JPG|thumb|Dinobots RULE!]]
'''Optimus Prime:''' "We're not here to scare people! We're here to get Meltdown's genetic modifier. Maybe you'd be less conspicuous in robot mode." 
'''Grimlock:''' "Okay..." ''[transforms]'' "But me Grimlock still taller than YOU. That why Spider-Lady like me Grimlock best."
:—Pissing contest, Transformer-style.

'''Optimus''': Grimlock, as soon as she gets that genetic modifier, she'll drop us like a used engine block. 
'''Grimlock''': Autobot bad. Me Grimlock go alone! 
''[Grimlock walks away down an alley, then comes back]'' 
'''Grimlock''': Uh...where me Grimlock find genetic thingy? 
'''Optimus''': Oh, come on. I know who can get it. 
'''Grimlock''': Me Grimlock go with you....but me Grimlock go with you ALONE! 
:—Grimlock shows Optimus Prime what's what.

'''Grimlock''': Uh, me Grimlock not supposed to scare puny humans. 
'''Optimus''': ''This one'' you can scare all you want. 
'''Grimlock''': THEN GIVE US THINGY! NOW!!! 
''[transforms into beast mode, then grabs Powell with his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': What thingy?! What's he talking about?! 
'''Optimus''': Prometheus Black's genetic modifier? 
'''Powell''': Never heard of it. 
'''Optimus''': Did I mention that my partner is awfully hungry? 
''[Grimlock throws Powell into the air and catches him in his mouth]'' 
'''Powell''': Y-you can have it! I know where it is!
:—After months of utter dickishness, Porter C. Powell finally ends up where he belongs—Grimlock's mouth.

[[Image:TFA Black Friday Him Did It.jpg|thumb|right|Him [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|truck]] pushed me.]]
'''Powell''': Don't touch anything! Since he went bankrupt, technically, all this belongs to me. 
''[Grimlock falls and breaks everything]'' 
'''Grimlock''': ''[points at Optimus]'' Him did it. 
:—Like a toddler, Grimlock blames Optimus for everything.

'''Meltdown:''' Shall we proceed then? ''[plugs in genetic modifier]'' 
'''Blackarachnia''': Whatever it takes to get rid of this foul half of myself. 
'''Meltdown''': Uhhhh...about that. I should probably mention a slight change in plans. 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''What?'' 
'''Meltdown''': Don't worry! I ''will'' be purging half of your techno-organic form...just not the half you think. 
'''Blackarachnia''': You slimy traitor! You can't! I won't let you! 
'''Meltdown''': I guess the Dinobots never mentioned my ''disdain'' for machines. Once we eliminate all your robotic circuitry, your remaining arachnid tissue will be perfect for my genetic experiments, and I will finally achieve my dream of creating a transforming organic! 
'''Blackarachnia''': ''NOOOOO!'' 
'''Meltdown''': It's time for your extreme ''MAKEOVER!'' ''[throws the lever]''
:—Blackarachnia learns that it's not nice to screw with Meltdown.

''[Prowl and Bumblebee wake up after being cured by Blackarachnia's venom]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Uhh...how long have we been here? 
'''Optimus''': Almost two mega-cycles. 
'''Bumblebee''': Ha! And you said I couldn't go ten cycles without talking! 
'''Prowl''': Mmm-hmm, all it took was being paralyzed. 
'''Bumblebee''': What, you're making new rules now? I don't think so! Pay up with that sweet axle grease.
:—Prowl and Bumblebee debate the rules of their bet.

==Notes==

===Animation or technical errors===
* When Meltdown gets his face and hands "splattered" against the wall in his cell, his hands ooze out, despite his gloves being closed.
* When the Dinobots are arguing amongst themselves, Snarl's face briefly loses its red, and Swoop is shown in his beast mode.

===Transformers references===
* Blackarachnia references the defeat of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] in "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]".

===Real-world references===
* The title is a reference to [[Black Friday (event)|the day after Thanksgiving]], a traditionally busy shopping day in the U.S., on which [[Hasbro]] often releases [[exclusive]]s.
* Grimlock's groaning cry of "Fire Bad" is a reference to the Tarzan-Tonto-Frankenstein's Monster sketches from ''Saturday Night Live''. At one of the voice actor panels at, Botcon 2008, David Kaye mentioned that he'd specifically been directed to insert elements of the ''SNL'' Frankenstein's Monster into his Grimlock performance.
* Grimlock uses the T-Rex sound effect from the movie [[wikipedia:Jurassic Park (film)|Jurassic Park]] when he "swallows" Porter C. Powell.

===Trivia===
* Bulkhead and Ratchet appear, but do not speak.

* This episode showcases a [[stock footage|detailed transformation]] for Optimus Prime, Prowl and Bumblebee.

* Optimus states that Prowl knows Dinobot Island like the back of his hand and tells Prowl and Bumblebee to come with him, yet it is Bulkhead who has been on the island many times with Prowl. Maybe Optimus wants to see who wins the bet?#

* In some shots, the button that makes Grimlock's toy chomp its jaws can be seen on his neck.

* It appears to be common knowledge that Porter C. Powell was Prometheus Black's business partner, yet in "[[Blast from the Past]]", he is seen among the group that witnesses the showing of the Dinobots, implying that he is working for Sumdac Systems at this point. Why would [[Isaac Sumdac]] hire the former partner of his bitterest corporate rival?

* Grimlock states that Autobots are bad. Perhaps Grimlock is forgetting that ''he's'' an Autobot?

* According to Grimlock, Dinobots rule. We already knew that.

* This is the second Transformers episode where a voice actor [[The Low Road|spends most of it arguing with himself]], although [[Scott McNeil]] usually managed it for at least 5 minutes [[Dinobot (BW)|every]] [[Rattrap|episode]].

* [[Colossus Rhodes]] is decidedly absent from this episode, despite being arrested with Meltdown. Maybe he got a cushy job in the prison library?

* This is the second episode to include [[Fusion creature|Meltdown's bat/human and shark/human hybrid experiments]].

* So, why ''was'' Powell watching Meltdown? Expecting revenge from his former client?

==External links==
* [http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc9a293f80197 "Black Friday" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Autoboot Camp

2010-01-14T10:03:32Z

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{{episode|
|series=Anitoon
|ep=25
|image=Autobot Cadets.jpg
|caption=Class of 2008. The ENTIRE Class of 2008.
|title="Autoboot Camp"
|airdate=[[June 3]], 2008
|written by=[[Michael Ryan]]
|directed by=[[Ben Jones]] [[Christopher Berkeley]] [[Shunji Ōga|Shunji Oga]]
|animation studio=[[The Answer Studio]]
}}

'''On the trail of an escaped Autobot traitor, Bumblebee flashes back to a previous encounter with the traitor when he first met Bulkhead in Autobot Boot Camp.'''
:''German title:'' "'''Dr Spion-Bot'''" ("The Spy-Bot")
:''Polish title:'' "'''Maszeruj, Autobocie"''' ("March, Autobot")

==Synopsis==
[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Wasp Salute.jpg|thumb|left|"Sayonara, suckerzzz."]]
Somewhere in space, an Autobot shuttle streaks through the solar night and crash-lands on an asteroid, where its lone occupant races off across the barren ground in vehicle mode. Hot on his trail is [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who chases him to a [[space bridge]] node on the asteroid. The green-armoured escapee triggers the space bridge with a blast from a familiar pair of stingers, and Sentinel loses his quarry as the portal explodes with light.

On Earth, [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] reports the news of the escapee to the [[Autobot]]s. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] immediately recognizes the criminal in question as [[Wasp]], a 'bot sharing his bodyform whom he met when during his [[Elite Guard]] training days.

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Bee Sentinel.jpg|thumb|right|Living rooms of America, do you catch my drift? Do... you... dig?]]
In the [[Decepticon]]s' underground lair, [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] contacts his double-agent on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and congratulates him on orchestrating Wasp's breakout. The double-agent is concerned that they are speaking so freely on the subject, but Megatron assures him that nobody will be able to listen in on the broadcast. [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] has other plans, though, as he secretly taps into the communication frequency and bounces it to the Autobots' base. Bumblebee and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] are on monitor duty at the time, and the message comes through exceedingly scrambled, but they are at least able to comprehend the existence of a double-agent. Naturally, Bumblebee immediately assumes it to be Wasp, and he decides to settle his old score, with Bulkhead tagging along. Bumblebee remembers how it all went down...

''Stellar cycles ago, on Cybertron, Bumblebee meets Bulkhead for the first time when they both attend boot camp to train under Sentinel Minor, alongside Wasp, super-durable [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] and telescopic-limbed [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm]]. The two B's immediately earn Sentinel's ire{{m-}}Bumblebee for his impetuous bungling, and Bulkhead for his desire to be nothing more than a space bridge technician{{m-}}and the pair gets saddled with oil cleanup. Of course, Bumblebee begins goofing off, which results in a stack of oil drums collapsing on Sentinel, which results in Bumblebee being made to stand in the middle of the courtyard in the dead of night, holding up oil drums and repeatedly declaring himself a “worthless oil stain.”''

[[Image:AutobootCamp-Sentinelgetsowned(Secondtime).jpg|thumb|left|150px|Hardly a relaxing oil bath.]]
''After a while, though, Bumblebee calls it quits, but as he is walking by a warehouse, he spots a shadowy figure speaking into a communicator, with the voice of Megatron responding! After a moment's hesitation, Bumblebee pops his stingers and commands the spy-bot to show himself...but the figure has vanished. When Bumblebee turns to leave, however, he spots Wasp walking out of the warehouse.''

''Unsure of how to proceed, Bumblebee confides in Longarm, who encourages him to gather some evidence and present it to Sentinel. Bumblebee tries setting up a trap, planting a box with the Elite Guard symbol on it in the open, hoping Wasp will grab it...except Sentinel is the first to come upon it, and it explodes, covering him in paint. Next, Bumblebee tries a listening device, but accidentally winds up broadcasting Sentinel over the camp's loudspeakers as he jokes about Ultra Magnus being too old to hack the commander role. In traditional boot camp manner, Sentinel makes the whole team suffer for Bumblebee's mistakes, and Wasp and Ironhide take it out on the little 'bot by disconnecting his legs and stuffing him in a locker. Longarm comes to Bumblebee's rescue, and urges Bumblebee not to give in.''

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Oh Slag.jpg|thumb|Optimus must be kicking himself for having missed this.]]
''But the bullying doesn't stop, as Wasp hits Bumblebee with a burst of “friendly fire” in a simulated combat training exercise. Of course, it's just a paint grenade, but when Bulkhead offers to help Bumblebee up, Bumblebee snaps and insults Bulkhead's lack of ambition before storming off. Turning a corner, Bumblebee yelps as he finds several auto-cannons pointed in his face, but then laughs as he remembers that they're only loaded with paint rounds for the simulated combat. Or rather, they ''were'', as the shadowy figure from the warehouse slinks by the cannons and switches them to active ammunition. As the cannons open fire on Bumblebee, Bulkhead speeds to his rescue and takes out the cannons by dropping a building on them with his wrecking ball...only for Sentinel to get squashed under it as well. Bumblebee encourages Bulkhead to scarper, rather than risk his career by owning up.''

Tracking the message Sumdac broadcast to them, Bumblebee and Bulkhead wander through the wilderness, reminiscing about the old days. When Bumblebee stumbles into a patch of quicksand, Bulkhead plucks him out, but the conflict between the pair from their boot camp days starts bubbling back to the surface, and Bulkhead leaves Bumblebee to the mission himself. Angrily stomping up a mountain, Bumblebee loses his footing and falls off a cliff, becoming buried in an avalanche.

[[Image:TFA Autoboot Camp Wasp Captured.jpg|thumb|left|Will go on to star in [[Wikipedia:The Count of Monte Cristo|''The Count of Monte Cristo'']].]]

''Longarm informs Bumblebee that Sentinel is about to conduct a surprise locker examination, meaning that it's his last chance to find evidence on Wasp before Sentinel can take credit for it himself. Using his extensible limbs to trip up Wasp, Longarm allows Bumblebee to "help him up" and finger his locker key in the process. As Bumblebee quickly opens Wasp's locker, Sentinel appears behind him, demanding to know what he's doing, only to be quickly silenced when Bumblebee presents him with a Decepticon communicator. Impressed with Bumblebee's work, Sentinel plans to recommend him for an Elite Guard position. After Wasp is carted off, screaming his innocence all the way, Sentinel brings up the matter of the building being dropped on him. Since nobody has owned up, he decides to kick out whoever he feels like—and he feels like Bulkhead. Before he can give Bulkster the boot, however, Bumblebee steps forward and claims responsibility, sheepishly asking if it will affect his Elite Guard position.''

[[Image:TFA_Shockwave_DoubleAgent.jpg|thumb|Sometimes, when you stare into the abyss, it stares right back.]]
''Some time later, Bumblebee and Bulkhead are on an asteroid, working on a space bridge node, as Bulkhead cheerfully announces "I have arrived!"''

Buried under the rockslide, Bumblebee reflects on his friendship with Bulkhead out loud, and about how he saved Bulkhead's career, even ''if'' his friend never dreamed big. But Bulkhead ''did'' dream big; as the bulky bot appears above Bumblebee and hauls him out from beneath the boulders, he announces that he dreamed of being Bumblebee's friend. Bumblebee thanks his big buddy, and the pair drive off...having only been mere feet from the secret entrance to the Decepticon base.

Out in space, it turns out that Wasp didn't escape to Earth at all, and that he is still on the asteroid, huddled up in a ball. His mind clearly broken, the insectoid 'bot buzzes and twitters to himself about how he will find Bumblebee and make him pay for ruining his life.

Back at the Autobot base, our heroes contact Cybertron to alert the Autobots there about Megatron's double-agent. As it turns out, Bumblebee's old boot camp buddy Longarm is now Longarm ''Prime'', head of Cybertronian Intelligence, and he promises to root out the traitor no matter what.

In the Decepticon base, Megatron communicates once again with his double-agent... Longarm Prime! But the deception is a dual-layered one, for Longarm is, in fact, the shape-shifting [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]!

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Wasp]] (1)
*[[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] (2)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (6)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (7)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (8)
*[[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]] (11) (Flashback)
*[[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]] (14) (Flashback)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (9)
*[[Lugnut]] (13, voice only)
*[[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime/Shockwave]] (12)
|c3 =
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
"Hey there, little buddy. You mind scanning me next to these tall buildings? They'll never believe me back home." 
"Mhm. First time off the energon farm?" 
"How'd you know?"
:—'''Bulkhead''' and '''Bumblebee''', together for the first time.

'''Sentinel Minor''': Wipe that smile off your face, dullspark! 
'''Bulkhead''': Uh, I'm not smiling, sir! My jaw is just tempered that way, sir! 
'''Bumblebee''': Forget Mudflap's jaw, check out the asteroid-sized chin on Sarge! 
'''Sentinel Minor''': YOU GOT A COMMENT, FUNNY-BOT?! 
'''Bumblebee''': No, sir!
:—The future Sentinel Prime is a little sensitive about his chin. Maybe it's why he's such a jerk.

'''Sentinel Minor''': Now here's a bot who knows his place. You should try to be more like your friend here. 
'''Bumblebee''': He's not my friend, sir! 
'''Sentinel Minor''': WE'RE ALL FRIENDS HERE!
:—Mr. Personality does it again.

"You are nothing but a BUMBLER! From now on, your name is...BUMBLEBEE!"
:—And lo, a legend was born, thanks to '''Sentinel Minor'''

''[stands in the middle of an empty yard, holding up oil drums, reciting...]'' 
"I am a worthless oil stain. I am a worthless oil stain. I am a worthless oil stain...why am I even doing this?"
:—Sentinel Minor's punishment of '''Bumblebee''' could be considered "cruel and unusual".

"You would not '''believe''' the glitches the Commander's saddled me with this time. I'm starting to think that Ultra Magnus is a few circuits shy of a full processor, know what I mean? Oh, sure, he was The Bot back in the day, but now? Ultra Magnus is just a rusted-out, obsolete model sorely in need of an upgrade."
:—'''Sentinel Minor''' is a suck-up only to the boss's face. ''Quelle surprise''.

"But I'm innocent, I tell you! You're making a big mistake, all of you!" 
"Mute it, traitor!" 
''[Sentinel strips Wasp of his Autobot insignia]'' 
"I'll get you, Bumblebee, '''if it's the last thing I do'''!
:—'''Wasp''' proclaims his innocence as he's wheeled away in restraints, while '''Sentinel Minor''' acts much as ever.

"I couldn't leave you all alone out here like that. I should've, but I didn't."
:—'''Bulkhead''' is loyal, but not stupid.

"Bumblebot not hide from Wasp. Wasp swears he find Bumblebot. Wasp make Bumblebot pay for RUINING WASP'S LIFE!"
:—There lies a broken '''Wasp'''...

"Our long stellar cycles of planning will now come to fruition. I knew your size-altering power would allow you to blend in perfectly with the Autobots. Well done, my loyal servant...[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]."
:—'''Megatron''' really knows how to introduce a major <s>plot point</s> Decepticon.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
* In the scene after Sentinel Prime rips off Wasp's insignia you can see him still wearing it.

===Continuity errors===
* Bumblebee's stingers are shown to be powerful enough to knock down a building; yet in prior episodes they were only useful for zapping debris and bouncing uselessly off Decepticon armor. The discrepancy is somewhat explained in "[[TransWarped]]" when Ratchet gives Bumblebee battle-grade stingers to boost his power. Maybe when he was demoted to space bridge duty, his stingers were downgraded.
* If Professor Sumdac can reroute a Decepticon message between Earth and Cybertron to the Autobots on Earth, why can't he call for help too?
* If Cybertronians live on a planet with no organic life-forms, how does Sentinel know that wasps and bumblebees exist?

===Transformers references===
* Sentinel's speech about his troops being "cogs in a machine" is very similar to Optimus's comment at the beginning of "[[Transform and Roll Out]]" (although Optimus gets the message across without the attitude); it may be a standard message from the Autobot Academy.
* Clearly, when Bumblebee and Bulkhead noted that Sentinel Prime didn't remember them back in "[[The Elite Guard]]", they were referring to their boot camp days.
* It was explained back in "The Elite Guard" that "Prime" was a rank, and this episode reveals that before attaining the rank, Sentinel was known as "Sentinel Minor". [[Optimus Minor|Sounds a little familiar]].
[[Image:A25 cliffjumper.jpg|thumb|right|"Traitors? Fancy that."]]
* In the final moments of the episode, the addled Wasp (who has spoken perfectly normally throughout the flashbacks) begins speaking in the buzzing, third-person style of ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].
* In the Flashback, Wasp calls Bulkhead a total [[Mudflap]]. A reference to the shelfwarmer from Transformers Cybertron.

===Trivia===
* Marty Isenberg has revealed that the other boot-campers being [[repaint]] characters was an idea of [[Derrick J. Wyatt]]'s, that the inclusion of Shockwave was a late decision, and that originally ''Cliffjumper'' was going to be the falsely accused. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/interviews-27/tfw2005-interviews-transformers-animated-story-editor-marty-isenberg-165509/]

* Sentinel Prime has switched back to his Cybertronian alt-form, presumably since arriving back on Cybertron (since he still had his Earth form in "[[A Fistful of Energon]]"). Considering what he thought of Earth, it's not really a surprise that he'd want to change back as soon as possible. [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] even muses over this in an entry in the [[AllSpark Almanac]], where he also explains that the only reason Sentinel is seen with his Earth mode later on is because he (Ultra Magnus) decided to keep his.

* This episode certainly explains a lot about Bumblebee's independent streak. His very first "team" effort was basically people being colossal jerks to him for no reason (well, except for Sentinel, really...drill sergeants are ''supposed'' to be like that) except for the big goofy country-bot...and standing up for said bot basically led to his dreams being crushed.

* On the other hand, if names get assigned by drill sergeants, you have to wonder exactly to what levels Optimus and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Elita-1]] stooped in order to get those names...

* Lugnut is not shown, but is briefly heard saying "Megatron will speak to you now," when Megatron is contacted by Shockwave in the flashback, ten minutes into the episode.

* In this episode, when Sentinel gives Bumblebee his name, Bumblebee reacts as if he doesn't like it. However, in "[[Transform and Roll Out]]", when Bumblebee tells Sari his name and she responds, "I'm Sari," Bumblebee then says, "Oh, don't be. I like my name." Maybe he got over it?

*Bulkhead used to have a "hick" accent while in boot camp that he lost sometime after starting work on space bridges with Bumblebee and the others.

*What, exactly, was the point of Sentinel Prime keeping one arm in a bandage and sling? And for that matter, why do robots have slings?
**Most likely, for comedic effect, if nothing else.

*When commenting on Sentinel's chin, Bumblebee looks directly at the "camera", so to speak, making this one of the few occasions where animated ''Transformers'' media break the fourth wall.

==External links==
* [http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/video/dlink/index.html?episodeID=8a25c3921fc6a295011fc9a121850188 "Autoboot Camp" streaming video at Cartoon Network] (link functional until 3/03/10)

[[Category:Animated episodes]]

Talk:Starscream (Movie)

2010-01-13T09:14:10Z

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==Accuracy disputes==
I've noticed that there is some argument about the accuracy of Starscream's toy. Some think that the vehicle mode is accurate, while others think not. Judging from the toy gallery on Seibertron.com, it looks very accurate except for the blasters formed from his hands, which are severly oversized compared to both the movie model and the toy itself. Other than this though, the majority of the figure seems to be pretty accurate.

:If you know anything about fighters, then you'll know its an appallingly bad representation of an F-22 Raptor (has details closer to a YF-22, if I recall correctly). Hasbro/Takara have unfortunately produced better F-22-type planes in the past with Energon Starscream, and the cancelled NATF swing-wing version of the fighter with G2 Hooligan. I'm not really surprised that most Transformers fans can't tell the difference, as they generally aren't that well-versed in military hardware. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, we tend to be more focused on consumer goods. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::To be perfectly honest, I will agree that it fits closer to the submodel than the main fighter, but at the same time I was looking at the two pictures side-by-side. In cases such as this, color is irrelevent considering Gen 1 Starscream was originally considered a highly unlikely paint-job for an F-15... until they adopted it. Admittedly, the arms and undercarriage do make the toy itself look less like the actual jet than the movie model, but they are also grossly different; Starscream's triple guns on his hands in the movie are MUCH smaller, and had to be enlarged for the toy to meet safety regulations. And while I do not exactly have a degree in the field, I do like to study up on military hardware, especially jets, tanks, and some of the newer guns (the XM-8 in particular). I was kind of hoping they'd go with the newer F-35B, but I think it was still in the experimental stage when the movie was being scripted. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 03:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:::G1 Starscream's own hull colour is very similar to the grey they used on F-15s of the 80s. I don't recall that the USAF used any of G1 Starscream's decos, did they? As I explained on [[Talk:Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream's talk page]], Classics Starscream's colour scheme was made up from photos of the F-15 prototype that the Air Force doctored... for some reason. Real one was light blue with rather bright orange.

:::The F-35 is a piece of overpriced crap compared to the Raptor. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::::And you're SURE these photos are doctored, and they don't just have a few or even a single fighter in that color scheme (especially since it was a prototype)? if you can cite documented proof with a link specifically saying so, I'll accept it. I might add that while not a seperate series, G2 Starscream had a more salmon/coral and bluish color scheme than G1 did (pretty much what I saw on the F-15 photos). While the detailing isn't exactly the same, the colors are fairly close. I will also clairify that I didn't mean the Air Force didn't adopt the color scheme BECAUSE of G1, but they just happened to use a similar paint scheme at one time.
::::I'll also remind you that your OPINION of the F-35 is not a fact, but regardless of that I stand by my statement on it.
[[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I am sure. One of the moderators over at Macross World (pretty much chock full of fighter enthusiasts there) provided me with a photo of an F-15 prototype in its original, ugly colours. Same pattern as Classics Starscream, but with a light blue hull colour and orange where red is. G1 SS's own hull colour is close to FS 36375, the main grey used on real F-15's of the 80's.

:::::As for my opinion on the F-35 Lightning II, its fine here on this talk page because its not in the actual article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Barrel Roll Blaster ==

It's merchandise released to coincide with the movie, yes, but the jet mode isn't particularly based on the design of Movie Starscream, and the hand is pretty clearly based on G1 Starscream. Should the Barrel Roll Blaster be considered a toy for G1 Starscream instead of for Movie Starscream?

(And while we're at it, same thing for the [[Optimus_Prime_(Movie)#Merchandise|Big Rig Blaster]]--the trailer's very G1, the truck cab is halfway between G1 and Movie, and the hand's clearly G1.)

After all, Optimash and the Robot Heroes are getting listed among their G1 counterparts. Are the Nerf guys more G1 or movie?

[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Amazing, almost as if the movie were part of the g1 continuity family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not particularly, no, considering the design elements that ARE clearly movie or ARE clearly G1 are fairly distinct from one another. I'd say it's more like they were handled by a design team external to the Transformers brand... say, the Nerf team... and weren't given particularly clear instructions on whether to follow a G1 or a Movie aestetic. However, that's just baseless conjecture and is getting off-topic from the question at hand.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say the real reason is they want to use these sculpts after the movie for other lines. I figger that's why the Prime one is some weird place between a flatnose and a longnose semi. You make the fist inside one of those movie claws, and that's gonna be incongruous if you redeco it for Animated or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That makes just as much sense, if not more. But in any case... does that make them more G1 Character toys than Movie Character toys? --[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No. Prime's got the flames, and Starscream's in solid gray. Movie roleplay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Way to harsh my hellow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==Mission City battle details==
In [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Starscream_%28Movie%29&curid=13176&diff=76575&oldid=76454 this revision], FFN added several details including some stuff about the RBFATE that I wanted to get confirmation on: First, that Starscream ''rejoined'' the human raptor squardon and himself fired upon Megatron. Second, that this assault from the jets damaged Megatron's armor, providing a place for Sam to shove the All Spark in. Granted I've only seen the movie twice, but, I didn't pick up on either of those things, even remotely. Are those details from the novelization or comic adaptation? I feel like we should indicate in some way when expanding on movie synopses with supplemental material. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
: The last missile assault we see shows direct hits on the front of Megatron's chest, and pieces fly all over. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:: However, although it's entirely possible that Starscream takes part in that attack, I don't believe there is enough evidence to state it conclusively in the wiki as it currently appears. It is spec. [[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Watching the flick for the 3rd time I specifically looked for this... and dudes, I really don't think it's there. When bombarding Megatron, the F-22s are onscreen for about 1.5 seconds and at a pretty good distance. I didn't see any way to tell any of them apart, let alone identify one of them as Starscream. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: From what i have seen there is some credebility to the claim. While there is no way to verify if Starscream fired on Megatron i beleive that after Starscream transforms into his altmode for the last time you see him barrel roll to the right as an order to pursue him is given. Immediately after the entire squadren pursues a raptor that is smoking. As far as I can tell that is not Starscream and the military haslost sight of him and mistakenly assumed that due to the heavy beating he has just taken that he must be the most damaged raptor. It trivially worth mentioning that Starscream appears to be fine in his last appearace and no such damage as would indicate that he actually was that plane. Addtionally I would just like to mention one thing, treating this as f it were all true; Starscream tricked the United States military into shooting down one of their own and might have then used that to his advantage to assassinate Megatron. I take back anything and everything i said about movie Starscream being out of character. {{unsigned|68.194.98.116}}

:What you describe here is that the film is ''consistent'' with the idea that Starscream participated in the attack. That is ''very differenet'' than if the film actually ''supported'' that viewpoint. From what have seen, including your description here, there is nothing in the film to support the idea. It is simply one of infinitely many things that are "possible" to have happened offscreen. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 07:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::I should note that at the time of rewriting the fiction section, I did not originate the 'Starscream shooting Megatron' bit. I was unsure so I just left it there. I personally don't believe it until somebody officially confirms it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Masterpiece==
Shouldn't the Masterpiece Starscream section be on the G1 page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:''"Though the toy is based on G1 Starscream, and the design has been used in appalling G1-universe fiction, it serves double duty as movie Starscream thanks to the Sector Seven alternate-reality game."''
:--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::But doesn't that mean that Grimlock, VW Bunblebee, Kickback, and Laserbeak should also get linked to the movie section? They were in the Sector 7 clips too.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think those things should all be included as trivia notes, nothing more. Listing Masterpiece Starscream as one of Movie Starscream's toys seems highly dubious to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream's a unique instance, as he's a real movie character. But ff we had a page on N.B.E. Whatevernumber, I'd think that linking him to the G1 toy wouldn't be out of line. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I kinda agree. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird that they have the same toy though, almsot liek the movie was part of the Generation 1 Continuity Family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::You agree There should be a page for every NBE number, listing them as a seperate character?
:::::That doesn't sound like you Walky. -03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically there isn't actually anything internal to the ARG that says that the NBE who was cited multiple times in 1982 is the same character as Movie Starscream, is there? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Long time popular character ==

God Damn! Optimus, Megatron and Starscream are the 3 most popular everywhere. The 3 had been featured in Unicron Trilogy, Generation 1 and 2 and almost everywhere. How come Starscream got a high popular rating equal to everyone?

By the way a real F-22 Raptor does bombing runs and anti air roles at the same time. Starscream stands out due to that.(Spearhead 04:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== Hardest Working Decepticon? ==
For a soldier that wants to take command from Megatron Starscream sure worked hard in the final battle. After mobilizing he was first on the scene at the dam and single handedly defrosted Megatron. Was first to Mission City taking out Bumblebee's legs. Messed up Ratchet and Ironhide. Took out the F-22s and destroyed the transport helicopter. Starscream is off the hook! How could Megatron fault such a performance when the likes of Barricade did not even show up.

::Frenzey defrosted Megatron.

:::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Megatron_%28Movie%29#Galvatron Galvatron may have a role in the sequel,] it was nice while it lasted.

==Why Are We Including Stolen Toys?==
No, really, why? I thought it was against the rules to put up stuff that we only know about because somebody stole it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]
:Because I like to keep toy sections updated, and if I don't do it now, I'd forget and nobody else would bother. I almost forgot about the Vardia Starscream until I saw DS Starscream. Also, I don't think Hasbro really cares. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::"Nobody else would bother" is utter bullshit. And WE care. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::No slight upon the contributions of other members or yourself, but the toy sections on this wiki that are largely neglected beg to differ with you. In fact, toys are among the most neglected sections of character articles on a wiki, which is understandable in a way (because people are here to read or write about the fiction, mostly). But neglected toy sections also does a disservice given how important toys are to Transformers, which is why I devote most of my time here on writing about the toys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::FFN, please adhere to [[Help:Coming_soon|our established policies]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:FFN, I feel your pain. But use a HTML comment.
:'''<tt></tt>'''
:That way it's hidden from view, but even if you DO forget about it, the note is still there and some future editor'll un-hide it when they see it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::That policy needs some kind of time limit. Otherwise, [[:Category:Unreleased_toys|we seem kinda silly]]. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Which part now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't understand what you're getting at. That category is for toys that we know were planned, but for which any reasonable time-of-release is long passed. Granted I don't know how exactly quantifies that - except that most of those characters are from lines that have ended. If by some (not so) bizarre circumstance they end up being released later, we can always edit the relevant entries. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My point is that the policy is so broad that it applies to a lot of unreleased toys. "Any leaked toys [...] should not be included". It needs clarification, that's all. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

==Present Tense==
I thought we had decided to keep present tense in the episode summaries and comic issue articles, not in the actual character articles themselves? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I believe you're right. I was overly ambitious, and apologize. I'll reset it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fighter Markings ==

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but the Deep Space Starscream toy section mentions Starscream's fighter markings as being those of an F-22 from Langley; while I haven't seen the toy in question, if it has the same markings as the high-res promo render picture, they're wrong. The tail markings are indeed Langley AFB, but the fuselage insignia is that of the 71st, an F-15 squadron (probably a G1 homage). This is setting aside the fact that he shouldn't have Langley markings at all - theoretically got his alt-mode from a Raptor prototype, which would put him at Edwards with the 412th (and indeed in the movie he's shown at Edwards).

== Mission City battle details ==

'''Bold text'''based on the earlier scenes, human weapons are usless (except sabots) . So how could a normal missile That didn't dent scorponok damage megs so much? [[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 20:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== RotF Starscream ==

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE GUY/GIRL WHO PUT STARSCREAM'S REVENGE OF THE FALLEN BODY AS THE MAIN IMAGE. MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

==Quote==

Should we have one that's a bit more reflective of the profile? [[User:Eire]] 02.01 UTC April 29th 09
Seriously, the first doesn#t suit the profile and that veiled threat one is horrible [[User:Eire]] 20.05 April 29 09 (UTC)
:I'd favor dumping both if we could find a quote that's representative of his character. The problem is he has almost ''no'' lines in the movie, and his dialog in RoS is too self-serving to be representative. We'd end up with something like "you know what conquest is made of," as a fanboy-pleasing quote that illuminates nothing about the character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:15, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

=="poorly edited"==

''His manual's main picture (at least in Europe) is a badly edited one.''

I can't see anything wrong with any of the main pictures in the manual. Feel free to correct me though. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:18, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== starscream's intro ==

i just want to know, how is he a hero at all. the whole hero on the wrong side thing is wrong. starscream is a bad guy he will kill to get what he wants. just watch the movies
i didnt see no hero there. {{unsigned|75.30.105.232}}
:Read IDW's comics. That's where the hero part is introduced. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 20:59, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

ok, the makes some sense then, but isnt he evil and this is the movie page, he was clearly a bad guy in the movie. i guess i think it is poorly stated. maybe a hero gone bad or hero turned villain would make more sense to his character i think. {{unsigned|75.30.105.232}}
:The "Movie" in the page title is because he is the character from the movie franchise. The article also covers the character's appearances in the tie-in comics and has to take them into account in the intro. Also, please sign your talk page comments. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:52, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Battle for the Allspark toys out ==

When this page is deemed unprotectable, can someone update the Battle for the Allspark section under Merch? This is out now (at least its in a Target near me).--[[User:SuzyP|SuzyP]] 23:36, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:It's only protected against unregistered and new users. You should be able to edit it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:54, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Picture ==

Alright, who changed the mainpic? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:53, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
:No, really, what happened to the pic of Starscream's ROTF body? That one looked slightly better. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:21, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:That was me. I overided the first image, and then I changed it back, and forgot to upload the new image.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 11:51, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::You guys should have left it alone. It is our general policy to use images of a character's most well-known body over the latest one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:00, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::Also, file size dude. 271 KB. Really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:04, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Great. Another Big Gay Edit War.
:::Since our staff didn't object the last time it was changed back to the original image (when Homey uploaded ROTF renders over our original images, which is a big no-no) it can be assumed that people like it the way it was. Besides, this was evidently done months ago. Why fiddle with it now? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:19, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::::The ROTF version is the same body, just greebled, and it has more pleasing proportions. The TF2007 promo renders of Starscream were universally fugly. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'm all for the new image of Starscream myself, however -Blackout- shrunk it down waaaay too much, so I took the original and scaled it down less. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:37, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Well, I did take at least 30% height and 30% width off it, so yeah. I shrunk it down too much. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:05, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::: Did I really start all this? The newer picture is the same body with tatoos, and isn't as blurry anyway.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 20:24, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

==Split?==
Can someone split off the toy section, please? It's about time. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:49, 15 November 2009 (EST)
==Reign of Starscream==
I retract what I said. Forgive the waste of time and space.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Starscream (Movie)

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==Accuracy disputes==
I've noticed that there is some argument about the accuracy of Starscream's toy. Some think that the vehicle mode is accurate, while others think not. Judging from the toy gallery on Seibertron.com, it looks very accurate except for the blasters formed from his hands, which are severly oversized compared to both the movie model and the toy itself. Other than this though, the majority of the figure seems to be pretty accurate.

:If you know anything about fighters, then you'll know its an appallingly bad representation of an F-22 Raptor (has details closer to a YF-22, if I recall correctly). Hasbro/Takara have unfortunately produced better F-22-type planes in the past with Energon Starscream, and the cancelled NATF swing-wing version of the fighter with G2 Hooligan. I'm not really surprised that most Transformers fans can't tell the difference, as they generally aren't that well-versed in military hardware. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, we tend to be more focused on consumer goods. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::To be perfectly honest, I will agree that it fits closer to the submodel than the main fighter, but at the same time I was looking at the two pictures side-by-side. In cases such as this, color is irrelevent considering Gen 1 Starscream was originally considered a highly unlikely paint-job for an F-15... until they adopted it. Admittedly, the arms and undercarriage do make the toy itself look less like the actual jet than the movie model, but they are also grossly different; Starscream's triple guns on his hands in the movie are MUCH smaller, and had to be enlarged for the toy to meet safety regulations. And while I do not exactly have a degree in the field, I do like to study up on military hardware, especially jets, tanks, and some of the newer guns (the XM-8 in particular). I was kind of hoping they'd go with the newer F-35B, but I think it was still in the experimental stage when the movie was being scripted. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 03:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:::G1 Starscream's own hull colour is very similar to the grey they used on F-15s of the 80s. I don't recall that the USAF used any of G1 Starscream's decos, did they? As I explained on [[Talk:Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream's talk page]], Classics Starscream's colour scheme was made up from photos of the F-15 prototype that the Air Force doctored... for some reason. Real one was light blue with rather bright orange.

:::The F-35 is a piece of overpriced crap compared to the Raptor. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::::And you're SURE these photos are doctored, and they don't just have a few or even a single fighter in that color scheme (especially since it was a prototype)? if you can cite documented proof with a link specifically saying so, I'll accept it. I might add that while not a seperate series, G2 Starscream had a more salmon/coral and bluish color scheme than G1 did (pretty much what I saw on the F-15 photos). While the detailing isn't exactly the same, the colors are fairly close. I will also clairify that I didn't mean the Air Force didn't adopt the color scheme BECAUSE of G1, but they just happened to use a similar paint scheme at one time.
::::I'll also remind you that your OPINION of the F-35 is not a fact, but regardless of that I stand by my statement on it.
[[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I am sure. One of the moderators over at Macross World (pretty much chock full of fighter enthusiasts there) provided me with a photo of an F-15 prototype in its original, ugly colours. Same pattern as Classics Starscream, but with a light blue hull colour and orange where red is. G1 SS's own hull colour is close to FS 36375, the main grey used on real F-15's of the 80's.

:::::As for my opinion on the F-35 Lightning II, its fine here on this talk page because its not in the actual article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Barrel Roll Blaster ==

It's merchandise released to coincide with the movie, yes, but the jet mode isn't particularly based on the design of Movie Starscream, and the hand is pretty clearly based on G1 Starscream. Should the Barrel Roll Blaster be considered a toy for G1 Starscream instead of for Movie Starscream?

(And while we're at it, same thing for the [[Optimus_Prime_(Movie)#Merchandise|Big Rig Blaster]]--the trailer's very G1, the truck cab is halfway between G1 and Movie, and the hand's clearly G1.)

After all, Optimash and the Robot Heroes are getting listed among their G1 counterparts. Are the Nerf guys more G1 or movie?

[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Amazing, almost as if the movie were part of the g1 continuity family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not particularly, no, considering the design elements that ARE clearly movie or ARE clearly G1 are fairly distinct from one another. I'd say it's more like they were handled by a design team external to the Transformers brand... say, the Nerf team... and weren't given particularly clear instructions on whether to follow a G1 or a Movie aestetic. However, that's just baseless conjecture and is getting off-topic from the question at hand.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say the real reason is they want to use these sculpts after the movie for other lines. I figger that's why the Prime one is some weird place between a flatnose and a longnose semi. You make the fist inside one of those movie claws, and that's gonna be incongruous if you redeco it for Animated or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That makes just as much sense, if not more. But in any case... does that make them more G1 Character toys than Movie Character toys? --[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No. Prime's got the flames, and Starscream's in solid gray. Movie roleplay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Way to harsh my hellow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==Mission City battle details==
In [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Starscream_%28Movie%29&curid=13176&diff=76575&oldid=76454 this revision], FFN added several details including some stuff about the RBFATE that I wanted to get confirmation on: First, that Starscream ''rejoined'' the human raptor squardon and himself fired upon Megatron. Second, that this assault from the jets damaged Megatron's armor, providing a place for Sam to shove the All Spark in. Granted I've only seen the movie twice, but, I didn't pick up on either of those things, even remotely. Are those details from the novelization or comic adaptation? I feel like we should indicate in some way when expanding on movie synopses with supplemental material. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
: The last missile assault we see shows direct hits on the front of Megatron's chest, and pieces fly all over. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:: However, although it's entirely possible that Starscream takes part in that attack, I don't believe there is enough evidence to state it conclusively in the wiki as it currently appears. It is spec. [[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Watching the flick for the 3rd time I specifically looked for this... and dudes, I really don't think it's there. When bombarding Megatron, the F-22s are onscreen for about 1.5 seconds and at a pretty good distance. I didn't see any way to tell any of them apart, let alone identify one of them as Starscream. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: From what i have seen there is some credebility to the claim. While there is no way to verify if Starscream fired on Megatron i beleive that after Starscream transforms into his altmode for the last time you see him barrel roll to the right as an order to pursue him is given. Immediately after the entire squadren pursues a raptor that is smoking. As far as I can tell that is not Starscream and the military haslost sight of him and mistakenly assumed that due to the heavy beating he has just taken that he must be the most damaged raptor. It trivially worth mentioning that Starscream appears to be fine in his last appearace and no such damage as would indicate that he actually was that plane. Addtionally I would just like to mention one thing, treating this as f it were all true; Starscream tricked the United States military into shooting down one of their own and might have then used that to his advantage to assassinate Megatron. I take back anything and everything i said about movie Starscream being out of character. {{unsigned|68.194.98.116}}

:What you describe here is that the film is ''consistent'' with the idea that Starscream participated in the attack. That is ''very differenet'' than if the film actually ''supported'' that viewpoint. From what have seen, including your description here, there is nothing in the film to support the idea. It is simply one of infinitely many things that are "possible" to have happened offscreen. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 07:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::I should note that at the time of rewriting the fiction section, I did not originate the 'Starscream shooting Megatron' bit. I was unsure so I just left it there. I personally don't believe it until somebody officially confirms it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Masterpiece==
Shouldn't the Masterpiece Starscream section be on the G1 page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:''"Though the toy is based on G1 Starscream, and the design has been used in appalling G1-universe fiction, it serves double duty as movie Starscream thanks to the Sector Seven alternate-reality game."''
:--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::But doesn't that mean that Grimlock, VW Bunblebee, Kickback, and Laserbeak should also get linked to the movie section? They were in the Sector 7 clips too.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think those things should all be included as trivia notes, nothing more. Listing Masterpiece Starscream as one of Movie Starscream's toys seems highly dubious to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream's a unique instance, as he's a real movie character. But ff we had a page on N.B.E. Whatevernumber, I'd think that linking him to the G1 toy wouldn't be out of line. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I kinda agree. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird that they have the same toy though, almsot liek the movie was part of the Generation 1 Continuity Family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::You agree There should be a page for every NBE number, listing them as a seperate character?
:::::That doesn't sound like you Walky. -03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically there isn't actually anything internal to the ARG that says that the NBE who was cited multiple times in 1982 is the same character as Movie Starscream, is there? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Long time popular character ==

God Damn! Optimus, Megatron and Starscream are the 3 most popular everywhere. The 3 had been featured in Unicron Trilogy, Generation 1 and 2 and almost everywhere. How come Starscream got a high popular rating equal to everyone?

By the way a real F-22 Raptor does bombing runs and anti air roles at the same time. Starscream stands out due to that.(Spearhead 04:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== Hardest Working Decepticon? ==
For a soldier that wants to take command from Megatron Starscream sure worked hard in the final battle. After mobilizing he was first on the scene at the dam and single handedly defrosted Megatron. Was first to Mission City taking out Bumblebee's legs. Messed up Ratchet and Ironhide. Took out the F-22s and destroyed the transport helicopter. Starscream is off the hook! How could Megatron fault such a performance when the likes of Barricade did not even show up.

::Frenzey defrosted Megatron.

:::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Megatron_%28Movie%29#Galvatron Galvatron may have a role in the sequel,] it was nice while it lasted.

==Why Are We Including Stolen Toys?==
No, really, why? I thought it was against the rules to put up stuff that we only know about because somebody stole it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]
:Because I like to keep toy sections updated, and if I don't do it now, I'd forget and nobody else would bother. I almost forgot about the Vardia Starscream until I saw DS Starscream. Also, I don't think Hasbro really cares. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::"Nobody else would bother" is utter bullshit. And WE care. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::No slight upon the contributions of other members or yourself, but the toy sections on this wiki that are largely neglected beg to differ with you. In fact, toys are among the most neglected sections of character articles on a wiki, which is understandable in a way (because people are here to read or write about the fiction, mostly). But neglected toy sections also does a disservice given how important toys are to Transformers, which is why I devote most of my time here on writing about the toys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::FFN, please adhere to [[Help:Coming_soon|our established policies]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:FFN, I feel your pain. But use a HTML comment.
:'''<tt></tt>'''
:That way it's hidden from view, but even if you DO forget about it, the note is still there and some future editor'll un-hide it when they see it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::That policy needs some kind of time limit. Otherwise, [[:Category:Unreleased_toys|we seem kinda silly]]. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Which part now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't understand what you're getting at. That category is for toys that we know were planned, but for which any reasonable time-of-release is long passed. Granted I don't know how exactly quantifies that - except that most of those characters are from lines that have ended. If by some (not so) bizarre circumstance they end up being released later, we can always edit the relevant entries. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My point is that the policy is so broad that it applies to a lot of unreleased toys. "Any leaked toys [...] should not be included". It needs clarification, that's all. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

==Present Tense==
I thought we had decided to keep present tense in the episode summaries and comic issue articles, not in the actual character articles themselves? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I believe you're right. I was overly ambitious, and apologize. I'll reset it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fighter Markings ==

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but the Deep Space Starscream toy section mentions Starscream's fighter markings as being those of an F-22 from Langley; while I haven't seen the toy in question, if it has the same markings as the high-res promo render picture, they're wrong. The tail markings are indeed Langley AFB, but the fuselage insignia is that of the 71st, an F-15 squadron (probably a G1 homage). This is setting aside the fact that he shouldn't have Langley markings at all - theoretically got his alt-mode from a Raptor prototype, which would put him at Edwards with the 412th (and indeed in the movie he's shown at Edwards).

== Mission City battle details ==

'''Bold text'''based on the earlier scenes, human weapons are usless (except sabots) . So how could a normal missile That didn't dent scorponok damage megs so much? [[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 20:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== RotF Starscream ==

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE GUY/GIRL WHO PUT STARSCREAM'S REVENGE OF THE FALLEN BODY AS THE MAIN IMAGE. MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

==Quote==

Should we have one that's a bit more reflective of the profile? [[User:Eire]] 02.01 UTC April 29th 09
Seriously, the first doesn#t suit the profile and that veiled threat one is horrible [[User:Eire]] 20.05 April 29 09 (UTC)
:I'd favor dumping both if we could find a quote that's representative of his character. The problem is he has almost ''no'' lines in the movie, and his dialog in RoS is too self-serving to be representative. We'd end up with something like "you know what conquest is made of," as a fanboy-pleasing quote that illuminates nothing about the character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:15, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

=="poorly edited"==

''His manual's main picture (at least in Europe) is a badly edited one.''

I can't see anything wrong with any of the main pictures in the manual. Feel free to correct me though. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:18, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== starscream's intro ==

i just want to know, how is he a hero at all. the whole hero on the wrong side thing is wrong. starscream is a bad guy he will kill to get what he wants. just watch the movies
i didnt see no hero there. {{unsigned|75.30.105.232}}
:Read IDW's comics. That's where the hero part is introduced. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 20:59, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

ok, the makes some sense then, but isnt he evil and this is the movie page, he was clearly a bad guy in the movie. i guess i think it is poorly stated. maybe a hero gone bad or hero turned villain would make more sense to his character i think. {{unsigned|75.30.105.232}}
:The "Movie" in the page title is because he is the character from the movie franchise. The article also covers the character's appearances in the tie-in comics and has to take them into account in the intro. Also, please sign your talk page comments. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:52, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Battle for the Allspark toys out ==

When this page is deemed unprotectable, can someone update the Battle for the Allspark section under Merch? This is out now (at least its in a Target near me).--[[User:SuzyP|SuzyP]] 23:36, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:It's only protected against unregistered and new users. You should be able to edit it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:54, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Picture ==

Alright, who changed the mainpic? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:53, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
:No, really, what happened to the pic of Starscream's ROTF body? That one looked slightly better. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:21, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:That was me. I overided the first image, and then I changed it back, and forgot to upload the new image.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 11:51, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::You guys should have left it alone. It is our general policy to use images of a character's most well-known body over the latest one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:00, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::Also, file size dude. 271 KB. Really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:04, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Great. Another Big Gay Edit War.
:::Since our staff didn't object the last time it was changed back to the original image (when Homey uploaded ROTF renders over our original images, which is a big no-no) it can be assumed that people like it the way it was. Besides, this was evidently done months ago. Why fiddle with it now? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:19, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::::The ROTF version is the same body, just greebled, and it has more pleasing proportions. The TF2007 promo renders of Starscream were universally fugly. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'm all for the new image of Starscream myself, however -Blackout- shrunk it down waaaay too much, so I took the original and scaled it down less. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:37, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Well, I did take at least 30% height and 30% width off it, so yeah. I shrunk it down too much. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:05, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::: Did I really start all this? The newer picture is the same body with tatoos, and isn't as blurry anyway.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 20:24, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

==Split?==
Can someone split off the toy section, please? It's about time. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:49, 15 November 2009 (EST)
==Reign of Starscream==
Where'd it go? He had a whole entire miniseries ruling the Decepticons and now its absent from the article!
EDIT: Nevermind I guess..for some reason its placed within the part of the article set before the movie..--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Talk:Starscream (Movie)

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==Accuracy disputes==
I've noticed that there is some argument about the accuracy of Starscream's toy. Some think that the vehicle mode is accurate, while others think not. Judging from the toy gallery on Seibertron.com, it looks very accurate except for the blasters formed from his hands, which are severly oversized compared to both the movie model and the toy itself. Other than this though, the majority of the figure seems to be pretty accurate.

:If you know anything about fighters, then you'll know its an appallingly bad representation of an F-22 Raptor (has details closer to a YF-22, if I recall correctly). Hasbro/Takara have unfortunately produced better F-22-type planes in the past with Energon Starscream, and the cancelled NATF swing-wing version of the fighter with G2 Hooligan. I'm not really surprised that most Transformers fans can't tell the difference, as they generally aren't that well-versed in military hardware. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, we tend to be more focused on consumer goods. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::To be perfectly honest, I will agree that it fits closer to the submodel than the main fighter, but at the same time I was looking at the two pictures side-by-side. In cases such as this, color is irrelevent considering Gen 1 Starscream was originally considered a highly unlikely paint-job for an F-15... until they adopted it. Admittedly, the arms and undercarriage do make the toy itself look less like the actual jet than the movie model, but they are also grossly different; Starscream's triple guns on his hands in the movie are MUCH smaller, and had to be enlarged for the toy to meet safety regulations. And while I do not exactly have a degree in the field, I do like to study up on military hardware, especially jets, tanks, and some of the newer guns (the XM-8 in particular). I was kind of hoping they'd go with the newer F-35B, but I think it was still in the experimental stage when the movie was being scripted. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 03:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:::G1 Starscream's own hull colour is very similar to the grey they used on F-15s of the 80s. I don't recall that the USAF used any of G1 Starscream's decos, did they? As I explained on [[Talk:Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream's talk page]], Classics Starscream's colour scheme was made up from photos of the F-15 prototype that the Air Force doctored... for some reason. Real one was light blue with rather bright orange.

:::The F-35 is a piece of overpriced crap compared to the Raptor. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::::And you're SURE these photos are doctored, and they don't just have a few or even a single fighter in that color scheme (especially since it was a prototype)? if you can cite documented proof with a link specifically saying so, I'll accept it. I might add that while not a seperate series, G2 Starscream had a more salmon/coral and bluish color scheme than G1 did (pretty much what I saw on the F-15 photos). While the detailing isn't exactly the same, the colors are fairly close. I will also clairify that I didn't mean the Air Force didn't adopt the color scheme BECAUSE of G1, but they just happened to use a similar paint scheme at one time.
::::I'll also remind you that your OPINION of the F-35 is not a fact, but regardless of that I stand by my statement on it.
[[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I am sure. One of the moderators over at Macross World (pretty much chock full of fighter enthusiasts there) provided me with a photo of an F-15 prototype in its original, ugly colours. Same pattern as Classics Starscream, but with a light blue hull colour and orange where red is. G1 SS's own hull colour is close to FS 36375, the main grey used on real F-15's of the 80's.

:::::As for my opinion on the F-35 Lightning II, its fine here on this talk page because its not in the actual article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Barrel Roll Blaster ==

It's merchandise released to coincide with the movie, yes, but the jet mode isn't particularly based on the design of Movie Starscream, and the hand is pretty clearly based on G1 Starscream. Should the Barrel Roll Blaster be considered a toy for G1 Starscream instead of for Movie Starscream?

(And while we're at it, same thing for the [[Optimus_Prime_(Movie)#Merchandise|Big Rig Blaster]]--the trailer's very G1, the truck cab is halfway between G1 and Movie, and the hand's clearly G1.)

After all, Optimash and the Robot Heroes are getting listed among their G1 counterparts. Are the Nerf guys more G1 or movie?

[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Amazing, almost as if the movie were part of the g1 continuity family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not particularly, no, considering the design elements that ARE clearly movie or ARE clearly G1 are fairly distinct from one another. I'd say it's more like they were handled by a design team external to the Transformers brand... say, the Nerf team... and weren't given particularly clear instructions on whether to follow a G1 or a Movie aestetic. However, that's just baseless conjecture and is getting off-topic from the question at hand.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say the real reason is they want to use these sculpts after the movie for other lines. I figger that's why the Prime one is some weird place between a flatnose and a longnose semi. You make the fist inside one of those movie claws, and that's gonna be incongruous if you redeco it for Animated or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That makes just as much sense, if not more. But in any case... does that make them more G1 Character toys than Movie Character toys? --[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No. Prime's got the flames, and Starscream's in solid gray. Movie roleplay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Way to harsh my hellow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==Mission City battle details==
In [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Starscream_%28Movie%29&curid=13176&diff=76575&oldid=76454 this revision], FFN added several details including some stuff about the RBFATE that I wanted to get confirmation on: First, that Starscream ''rejoined'' the human raptor squardon and himself fired upon Megatron. Second, that this assault from the jets damaged Megatron's armor, providing a place for Sam to shove the All Spark in. Granted I've only seen the movie twice, but, I didn't pick up on either of those things, even remotely. Are those details from the novelization or comic adaptation? I feel like we should indicate in some way when expanding on movie synopses with supplemental material. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
: The last missile assault we see shows direct hits on the front of Megatron's chest, and pieces fly all over. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:: However, although it's entirely possible that Starscream takes part in that attack, I don't believe there is enough evidence to state it conclusively in the wiki as it currently appears. It is spec. [[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Watching the flick for the 3rd time I specifically looked for this... and dudes, I really don't think it's there. When bombarding Megatron, the F-22s are onscreen for about 1.5 seconds and at a pretty good distance. I didn't see any way to tell any of them apart, let alone identify one of them as Starscream. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: From what i have seen there is some credebility to the claim. While there is no way to verify if Starscream fired on Megatron i beleive that after Starscream transforms into his altmode for the last time you see him barrel roll to the right as an order to pursue him is given. Immediately after the entire squadren pursues a raptor that is smoking. As far as I can tell that is not Starscream and the military haslost sight of him and mistakenly assumed that due to the heavy beating he has just taken that he must be the most damaged raptor. It trivially worth mentioning that Starscream appears to be fine in his last appearace and no such damage as would indicate that he actually was that plane. Addtionally I would just like to mention one thing, treating this as f it were all true; Starscream tricked the United States military into shooting down one of their own and might have then used that to his advantage to assassinate Megatron. I take back anything and everything i said about movie Starscream being out of character. {{unsigned|68.194.98.116}}

:What you describe here is that the film is ''consistent'' with the idea that Starscream participated in the attack. That is ''very differenet'' than if the film actually ''supported'' that viewpoint. From what have seen, including your description here, there is nothing in the film to support the idea. It is simply one of infinitely many things that are "possible" to have happened offscreen. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 07:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::I should note that at the time of rewriting the fiction section, I did not originate the 'Starscream shooting Megatron' bit. I was unsure so I just left it there. I personally don't believe it until somebody officially confirms it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Masterpiece==
Shouldn't the Masterpiece Starscream section be on the G1 page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:''"Though the toy is based on G1 Starscream, and the design has been used in appalling G1-universe fiction, it serves double duty as movie Starscream thanks to the Sector Seven alternate-reality game."''
:--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::But doesn't that mean that Grimlock, VW Bunblebee, Kickback, and Laserbeak should also get linked to the movie section? They were in the Sector 7 clips too.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think those things should all be included as trivia notes, nothing more. Listing Masterpiece Starscream as one of Movie Starscream's toys seems highly dubious to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream's a unique instance, as he's a real movie character. But ff we had a page on N.B.E. Whatevernumber, I'd think that linking him to the G1 toy wouldn't be out of line. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I kinda agree. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird that they have the same toy though, almsot liek the movie was part of the Generation 1 Continuity Family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::You agree There should be a page for every NBE number, listing them as a seperate character?
:::::That doesn't sound like you Walky. -03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically there isn't actually anything internal to the ARG that says that the NBE who was cited multiple times in 1982 is the same character as Movie Starscream, is there? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Long time popular character ==

God Damn! Optimus, Megatron and Starscream are the 3 most popular everywhere. The 3 had been featured in Unicron Trilogy, Generation 1 and 2 and almost everywhere. How come Starscream got a high popular rating equal to everyone?

By the way a real F-22 Raptor does bombing runs and anti air roles at the same time. Starscream stands out due to that.(Spearhead 04:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== Hardest Working Decepticon? ==
For a soldier that wants to take command from Megatron Starscream sure worked hard in the final battle. After mobilizing he was first on the scene at the dam and single handedly defrosted Megatron. Was first to Mission City taking out Bumblebee's legs. Messed up Ratchet and Ironhide. Took out the F-22s and destroyed the transport helicopter. Starscream is off the hook! How could Megatron fault such a performance when the likes of Barricade did not even show up.

::Frenzey defrosted Megatron.

:::[http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Megatron_%28Movie%29#Galvatron Galvatron may have a role in the sequel,] it was nice while it lasted.

==Why Are We Including Stolen Toys?==
No, really, why? I thought it was against the rules to put up stuff that we only know about because somebody stole it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]
:Because I like to keep toy sections updated, and if I don't do it now, I'd forget and nobody else would bother. I almost forgot about the Vardia Starscream until I saw DS Starscream. Also, I don't think Hasbro really cares. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::"Nobody else would bother" is utter bullshit. And WE care. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::No slight upon the contributions of other members or yourself, but the toy sections on this wiki that are largely neglected beg to differ with you. In fact, toys are among the most neglected sections of character articles on a wiki, which is understandable in a way (because people are here to read or write about the fiction, mostly). But neglected toy sections also does a disservice given how important toys are to Transformers, which is why I devote most of my time here on writing about the toys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::FFN, please adhere to [[Help:Coming_soon|our established policies]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:FFN, I feel your pain. But use a HTML comment.
:'''<tt></tt>'''
:That way it's hidden from view, but even if you DO forget about it, the note is still there and some future editor'll un-hide it when they see it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:25, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::That policy needs some kind of time limit. Otherwise, [[:Category:Unreleased_toys|we seem kinda silly]]. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 08:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Which part now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't understand what you're getting at. That category is for toys that we know were planned, but for which any reasonable time-of-release is long passed. Granted I don't know how exactly quantifies that - except that most of those characters are from lines that have ended. If by some (not so) bizarre circumstance they end up being released later, we can always edit the relevant entries. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My point is that the policy is so broad that it applies to a lot of unreleased toys. "Any leaked toys [...] should not be included". It needs clarification, that's all. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

==Present Tense==
I thought we had decided to keep present tense in the episode summaries and comic issue articles, not in the actual character articles themselves? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:I believe you're right. I was overly ambitious, and apologize. I'll reset it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fighter Markings ==

I'm not sure if this belongs here, but the Deep Space Starscream toy section mentions Starscream's fighter markings as being those of an F-22 from Langley; while I haven't seen the toy in question, if it has the same markings as the high-res promo render picture, they're wrong. The tail markings are indeed Langley AFB, but the fuselage insignia is that of the 71st, an F-15 squadron (probably a G1 homage). This is setting aside the fact that he shouldn't have Langley markings at all - theoretically got his alt-mode from a Raptor prototype, which would put him at Edwards with the 412th (and indeed in the movie he's shown at Edwards).

== Mission City battle details ==

'''Bold text'''based on the earlier scenes, human weapons are usless (except sabots) . So how could a normal missile That didn't dent scorponok damage megs so much? [[Special:Contributions/76.68.69.253|76.68.69.253]] 20:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

== RotF Starscream ==

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE GUY/GIRL WHO PUT STARSCREAM'S REVENGE OF THE FALLEN BODY AS THE MAIN IMAGE. MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!

==Quote==

Should we have one that's a bit more reflective of the profile? [[User:Eire]] 02.01 UTC April 29th 09
Seriously, the first doesn#t suit the profile and that veiled threat one is horrible [[User:Eire]] 20.05 April 29 09 (UTC)
:I'd favor dumping both if we could find a quote that's representative of his character. The problem is he has almost ''no'' lines in the movie, and his dialog in RoS is too self-serving to be representative. We'd end up with something like "you know what conquest is made of," as a fanboy-pleasing quote that illuminates nothing about the character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:15, 29 April 2009 (EDT)

=="poorly edited"==

''His manual's main picture (at least in Europe) is a badly edited one.''

I can't see anything wrong with any of the main pictures in the manual. Feel free to correct me though. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:18, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== starscream's intro ==

i just want to know, how is he a hero at all. the whole hero on the wrong side thing is wrong. starscream is a bad guy he will kill to get what he wants. just watch the movies
i didnt see no hero there. {{unsigned|75.30.105.232}}
:Read IDW's comics. That's where the hero part is introduced. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 20:59, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

ok, the makes some sense then, but isnt he evil and this is the movie page, he was clearly a bad guy in the movie. i guess i think it is poorly stated. maybe a hero gone bad or hero turned villain would make more sense to his character i think. {{unsigned|75.30.105.232}}
:The "Movie" in the page title is because he is the character from the movie franchise. The article also covers the character's appearances in the tie-in comics and has to take them into account in the intro. Also, please sign your talk page comments. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:52, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Battle for the Allspark toys out ==

When this page is deemed unprotectable, can someone update the Battle for the Allspark section under Merch? This is out now (at least its in a Target near me).--[[User:SuzyP|SuzyP]] 23:36, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:It's only protected against unregistered and new users. You should be able to edit it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:54, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

== Picture ==

Alright, who changed the mainpic? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:53, 4 September 2009 (EDT)
:No, really, what happened to the pic of Starscream's ROTF body? That one looked slightly better. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:21, 12 September 2009 (EDT)

:That was me. I overided the first image, and then I changed it back, and forgot to upload the new image.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 11:51, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::You guys should have left it alone. It is our general policy to use images of a character's most well-known body over the latest one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:00, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::Also, file size dude. 271 KB. Really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:04, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Great. Another Big Gay Edit War.
:::Since our staff didn't object the last time it was changed back to the original image (when Homey uploaded ROTF renders over our original images, which is a big no-no) it can be assumed that people like it the way it was. Besides, this was evidently done months ago. Why fiddle with it now? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:19, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::::The ROTF version is the same body, just greebled, and it has more pleasing proportions. The TF2007 promo renders of Starscream were universally fugly. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I'm all for the new image of Starscream myself, however -Blackout- shrunk it down waaaay too much, so I took the original and scaled it down less. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:37, 2 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Well, I did take at least 30% height and 30% width off it, so yeah. I shrunk it down too much. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:05, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::: Did I really start all this? The newer picture is the same body with tatoos, and isn't as blurry anyway.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 20:24, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

==Split?==
Can someone split off the toy section, please? It's about time. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 03:49, 15 November 2009 (EST)
==Reign of Starscream==
Where'd it go? He had a whole entire miniseries ruling the Decepticons and now its absent from the article!--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

Stasis pod

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[[Image:Stasispod.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Na-Nu Na-Nu.]]
A '''stasis pod''' is used to store a Transformer [[protoform]] newborn until it has its [[spark]] installed, is given programming, and is formatted into a functional adult Transformer. The protoform is sealed safely inside the stasis pod, supported by nothing more than a lubricating fluid. In normal use, an exploration ship will carry several stasis pods, seed a planet with them, and the stasis pods would [[DNA scanner|scan]] for native forms and birth new Transformer life.

If the stasis pod is damaged, the spark of the protoform may be extinguished, turning it into a lifeless "[[blank]]" protoforms. One such blank protoform was used by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] to restore [[Optimus Primal]] to life; [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] used another blank to create [[Dinobot II]].

Because a stasis pod's life support functions are so efficient, they can also be used to transport adult Transformers, usually for long-distance travel. They have also been used to carry sentenced criminals into exile.

==Fiction==
===Dawn of Future's Past===
A stasis pod containing [[Rampage (BW)|Protoform X]] was transferred into the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' as cargo. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
===3H comics===
[[Packrat]], a thief, was contained in a stasis pod.

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Among the Protoforms awaked from Statsis Pods for the events of the Gathering were: [[B'Boom]], [[Bonecrusher]], [[Ramulus]], [[Snarl]], [[Wolfang]], [[Optimus Minor]], [[Armodillo]], [[Bantor]], [[K-9]], [[Noctorro]], [[Stinkbomb]], [[Torca]], [[Claw Jaw]], [[Cybershark]], [[Air Hammer]], [[Night Glider]], [[Prowl II]], [[Sonar]], [[Grimlock]], [[Buzz Saw]], [[Buzzclaw]], [[Injector]], [[Insecticon]], [[Jetstorm]], [[Lazorbeak]], [[Powerpinch]], [[Razorclaw]], [[Retrax]], [[Scavenger]], [[Scourge]], [[Sky Shadow]], [[Snapper]], and [[Terragator]]. Believe it or not, [[Transquito]] was actually among those NOT from a protoform...[[Magmatron]] BROUGHT him. huh.

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
Nightscream states that they "junked all the stasis pods" in the [[Quantum Cycle Upgrade]] that gave all Transformers on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] [[DNA scanner|DNA scanners]]. {{storylink|Survivor}}

[[Category:Beast Machines]]
[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Technology]]

Stasis pod

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[[Image:Stasispod.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Na-Nu Na-Nu.]]
A '''stasis pod''' is used to store a Transformer [[protoform]] newborn until it has its [[spark]] installed, is given programming, and is formatted into a functional adult Transformer. The protoform is sealed safely inside the stasis pod, supported by nothing more than a lubricating fluid. In normal use, an exploration ship will carry several stasis pods, seed a planet with them, and the stasis pods would [[DNA scanner|scan]] for native forms and birth new Transformer life.

If the stasis pod is damaged, the spark of the protoform may be extinguished, turning it into a lifeless "[[blank]]" protoforms. One such blank protoform was used by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] to restore [[Optimus Primal]] to life; [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] used another blank to create [[Dinobot II]].

Because a stasis pod's life support functions are so efficient, they can also be used to transport adult Transformers, usually for long-distance travel. They have also been used to carry sentenced criminals into exile.

==Fiction==
===Dawn of Future's Past===
A stasis pod containing [[Rampage (BW)|Protoform X]] was transferred into the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' as cargo. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
===3H comics===
[[Packrat]], a thief, was contained in a stasis pod.

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Among the Protoforms awaked for the events of the Gathering were: [[B'Boom]], [[Bonecrusher]], [[Ramulus]], [[Snarl]], [[Wolfang]], [[Optimus Minor]], [[Armodillo]], [[Bantor]], [[K-9]], [[Noctorro]], [[Stinkbomb]], [[Torca]], [[Claw Jaw]], [[Cybershark]], [[Air Hammer]], [[Night Glider]], [[Prowl II]], [[Sonar]], [[Grimlock]], [[Buzz Saw]], [[Buzzclaw]], [[Injector]], [[Insecticon]], [[Jetstorm]], [[Lazorbeak]], [[Powerpinch]], [[Razorclaw]], [[Retrax]], [[Scavenger]], [[Scourge]], [[Sky Shadow]], [[Snapper]], and [[Terragator]]. Believe it or not, [[Transquito]] was actually among those NOT from a protoform...[[Magmatron]] BROUGHT him. huh.

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
Nightscream states that they "junked all the stasis pods" in the [[Quantum Cycle Upgrade]] that gave all Transformers on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] [[DNA scanner|DNA scanners]]. {{storylink|Survivor}}

[[Category:Beast Machines]]
[[Category:Beast Wars]]
[[Category:Technology]]