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		<title>Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;71.110.188.13: /* Voyager Class */ There really should be a comment re: Alpha Trion&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Template:Nav-SG}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; has a toyline.  The &#039;&#039;Shattered&#039;&#039; line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise&#039;s official fiction rather than originally created by Hasbro. Only a handful of the &amp;quot;line&#039;s&amp;quot; toys were actually manufactured to be explicit &#039;&#039;Shattered Glass&#039;&#039; characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Quite a few additional &#039;&#039;Shattered&#039;&#039; character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially &#039;&#039;could&#039;&#039; be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[kitbashing|kitbashers]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Official Decepticon toys==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to &#039;&#039;teach&#039;&#039; you math!]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Micromasters===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Deluxe Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Heatwave]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Voyager Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Ultra Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Repurposed Decepticon toys==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]&lt;br /&gt;
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses. &lt;br /&gt;
===Micromasters===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Scout Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Signal Flare]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Deluxe Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Ultra Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|&#039;&#039;Timelines&#039;&#039; Astrotrain]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Misc===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|&#039;&#039;Robots in Disguise&#039;&#039; Bludgeon]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|&#039;&#039;Robot Masters&#039;&#039; Gigant Bomb]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|&#039;&#039;Robot Masters&#039;&#039; Smokesniper]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music_Label|&#039;&#039;Music Label&#039;&#039; Soundwave &amp;quot;Sonic White&amp;quot;]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Official Autobot toys==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|&amp;quot;I&#039;m a mother trucking P.I.M.P.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Micromasters===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Beta Maxx]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a &amp;quot;Shattered Glass&amp;quot; character, we&#039;ll list him for now.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Deluxe Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nightclash]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Voyager Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Whether or not the Alpha Trion toy was official released as a Shattered Glass toy is up for debate.  The bio doesn&#039;t preclude it, but he was released before the &amp;quot;Shattered Glass&amp;quot; concept was officially announced, and has a normal red Autobot symbol.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Repurposed Autobot toys==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not Shattered Glass [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Micromasters===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Scout Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Elita-One]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Hardtop]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Strongarm]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Warpath]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Armorhide]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Deluxe Class===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Big Daddy]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|&#039;&#039;Henkei! Henkei!&#039;&#039; Mirage]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|&#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Grindcore]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Misc===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; Camshaft]])&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus]])&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; &amp;quot;[[Do Over]]&amp;quot; in particular.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Convention exclusives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Reassigned toys]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Toys]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>71.110.188.13</name></author>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Leaf&amp;diff=346423</id>
		<title>Leaf</title>
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		<updated>2009-08-07T04:46:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;71.110.188.13: /* Notes */ Corrected name&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{factions|autobot}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Leaf is an [[Autobot]] [[Micromaster]] from the &#039;&#039;[[Return of Convoy (franchise)|Return of Convoy]]&#039;&#039; portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Leaf-packageart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You sound like an IDIOT when you say it wrong.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Leaf&#039;&#039;&#039; (リーフ &#039;&#039;Rīfu&#039;&#039;) is a gentle, romantic soul who enjoys poetry... which is why many are a little wigged out when they see him in battle. Using his wind-manipulation powers with reckless abandon, hurling enemies around, Leaf is a dangerous being in a fight. Get him and [[Spark (ROC)|Spark]] going and few can stand in their way. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Micromaster Collection===&lt;br /&gt;
Leaf was one of many [[Cyberdroid]]s who evolved into Micromasters thanks to a mysterious energy wave. Finding themselves on [[Earth]], they blended into [[human]] society and fought against those Micromasters who had evolved into [[Decepticon]]s. {{storylink|Micromaster Collection#Part 1: A New Transformer Legend Begins!!|A New Transformer Legend Begins!!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Return of Convoy===&lt;br /&gt;
Years later, Leaf and the rest of the Liner Team were recruited by [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] into the ranks of the [[Battlestars]]. {{storylink|The Battlestars (story page)#Part 2|Great Six Combination Warrior Sixliner!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|None of the Liner Team ever actually show up as individuals, only as components of the combined robot Sixtrain.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Return of Convoy===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ROC-toy Sixliner-Leaf.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Sixliner&#039;&#039;&#039; (1991)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;C-370&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Originally released in a giftset with his fellow Micromaster trains, Leaf transforms into a Series 100 bullet train locomotive. He has a pegged hitch in the back of his train mode allows him to link up to any fellow Micromaster train or footplate-weapon with a socket-style hitch connector. He also has a peg-hole on the top of his train mode that in theory lets him use the [[Sixliner]]/[[Sixtrain]] legs as the roof-mounted [[Giga-Techvolt]] cannon... but it only sort of works if you wedge it at an angle so it&#039;s pointing &#039;&#039;sideways&#039;&#039; due to clearance issues with his roof-detailing. He can also form either arm to any Six-team combined robot, though his nominal placement is as the left arm of Sixliner. The toy&#039;s connector socket is approximately 5mm wide, making Leaf compatible with [[Powerlinx]] ports.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: This mold was later used to make [[Raise]] and &#039;&#039;[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; [[Rapid Run (Universe)|Rapid Run]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/Leaf/leaf.htm More information on Leaf at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/content.php?/transformers-toys/toy-gallery/780/Generation+1/Leif.html Leaf toy gallery at Transformertoys.co.uk]&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
===Micromaster Collection===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:MC-toy Sixliner-Leaf.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Leaf&#039;&#039;&#039; (Micromaster, 2002)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Sixliner ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;4&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Left Sixliner footplate&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Leaf and his teammates were re-released in Japan in 2002 as the first assortment of the &#039;&#039;[[Micromaster Collection]]&#039;&#039;, this time in identical individual boxes, identifiable only by the number on his instruction sheet visible through a small hole in the box. Like the rest of the Micromaster Collection figures, Leaf&#039;s stickers were either replaced with [[Tampograph|tampographs]] or dropped entirely, though he gained several new pieces of deco in exchange, especially in train mode.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/Leaf/leaf.htm More information on Micromaster Collection Leaf at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{--}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* For a time, it was thought that Leaf&#039;s name might be &amp;quot;Leif&amp;quot;. However, that name is typically rendered in katakana as レイフ (&#039;&#039;Reifu&#039;&#039;), rather than Leaf&#039;s リーフ (&#039;&#039;Rīfu&#039;&#039;).&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Leaf, like all of the six-team Micromasters, had no individual [[bio]] information whatsoever until his &#039;&#039;Micromaster Collection&#039;&#039; release a decade after his original &#039;&#039;Return of Convoy&#039;&#039; release.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* The original &#039;&#039;Return of Convoy&#039;&#039; Sixliner [[instruction booklet]] shows Leaf towing the (then unnamed) [[Wingard]] vehicle. However, &#039;&#039;Micromaster Collection&#039;&#039; later assigned it to [[Night]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/8481654a03096b1f?dmode=source&amp;amp;output=gplain Translation of Leaf&#039;s bio by Doug Dlin]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Combiners]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Micromaster Collection]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Return of Convoy characters]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Optimus_Prime_(G1)&amp;diff=276970</id>
		<title>Talk:Optimus Prime (G1)</title>
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		<updated>2009-04-21T13:56:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;71.110.188.13: Cullen claimed NOT to have done some of those commercials.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Splitting==&lt;br /&gt;
I am proposing that we split Optimus Prime&#039;s toy section off into a separate article - &amp;quot;See list of Optimus Prime (G1) toys&amp;quot; or something equivalent, as Wikipedia does. The article as a whole is really long and is only going to get longer, and it seems like a logical place for a split. Thoughts? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:As long as I get to create it, since I largely wrote the toy section myself. You&#039;re not stealing my pointless Internet Glory, you jerkfaces. You have the faces of several jerks! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I vote [[Optimus Prime (G1) toys]], rather than List of X.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::A disambig &#039;&#039;prior&#039;&#039; to the end of the article?  That&#039;s crazy-talk!&lt;br /&gt;
:::(Of course, the alternative is Optimus Prime toys (G1), which is just plain wrong.) -[[User:69.88.91.218|69.88.91.218]] 16:30, 5 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Shall I create the new article now? I think its moot if Walky (an admin) votes in favour of it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Alright, I made the G1 Prime toy article anyway, since scrolling down to make edits in the big Prime page is annoying, and I always need to check to see how pics I use in one section affect the section before or after. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Splitting Part 2==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;WARNING: This page is 112 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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And neither his cartoon nor Marvel sections are remotely close to finished.  We need to consider a way to split a character fiction page.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:43, 13 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: As of right now, his Marvel G1 section alone is too long to be its own page.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:38, 18 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Done with Marvel G1 section, pretty sure.  Phew!  It is now, by itself, 54kb.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:04, 20 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:My first thought would be to break out the Marvel Comics continuity and G1 cartoon continuity sections into their own pages, as they&#039;re likely to be the longest bits. (&amp;quot;Optimus Prime (G1 Marvel Comics)&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Optimus Prime (G1 cartoon)&amp;quot;, perhaps?  I don&#039;t like the implicaiton of those page names, though, which make it sound like we&#039;re designating each of these as separate characters.)  A &#039;&#039;See main article:&#039;&#039; link under each header would cover it, similar to what we do for toys and merchandise. (It&#039;d be a nice touch if we could leave like maybe one image alongside each link, so they aren&#039;t quite so lost in the shuffle.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:00, 20 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::How about &amp;quot;Optimus Prime (G1) Marvel Comics&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Optimus Prime (G1) cartoon&amp;quot;. It doesn&#039;t give the impression (as much) that it is a different character and is more like &amp;quot;Optimus Prime (G1) toys&amp;quot;. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Yeah, that scheme definitely works better. Maybe &amp;quot;Sunbow cartoon&amp;quot; just to make it absolutely clear?  -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:15, 20 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Would the Japanese cartoon continuity stuff go in that article as well? --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 21:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Scout assures us that by &amp;quot;some browsers&amp;quot; it means &amp;quot;Netscape 6 or older,&amp;quot; which 0% of our readers are using.  However, there&#039;s still a practical problem, what with having to scroll past 10 pages to get to other content.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:36, 20 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Old crap==&lt;br /&gt;
I vote that we keep this article blank untill the last possible moment&lt;br /&gt;
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This isn&#039;t a democracy, X-BoB. It&#039;s the Internet.&lt;br /&gt;
You fail at wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think this article should be done as soon as possible. Because of, y&#039;know its massive importance and stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:BeastWarrior|BeastWarrior]] 08:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Shouldn&#039;t we refeare to Optimus Prime as Convoy in the articles on the JPN shows?&lt;br /&gt;
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Sentenial Prime shouldn&#039;t be in the first paragraphs, as he&#039;s not in all contuities&lt;br /&gt;
JMO-X-BoB58&lt;br /&gt;
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It warrants discussion - after all, he is the most powerful of the Go-Bots...&lt;br /&gt;
* save that for Bayformers.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dreamwave Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
The article says: &amp;quot;Optimus Prime started life as Optronix (Orion to his friends)&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone have an issue reference for this (the Orion part)?  I admit that my DW knowledge isn&#039;t too great, but I don&#039;t recall this.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 15:16, 20 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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It&#039;s from the Keepers Trilogy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That explains it, then.  I don&#039;t really consider the Keepers Trilogy as canon, never having bothered to read it.  However, since it &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; official, it&#039;s appropriate here.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Cannon&#039;s a touch call witht he Keepers Trilogy.  The Optronix thing, for isntance, was originalyl drafter for Optimus Prime&#039;s MtMtE profile (IIRC) but the MTMTE thing was drasticly re-tooled midway through, and so it didn&#039;t make it intot he entry-- but apparently Scott Ciencen had access to a draft of it which he used for Prime&#039;s backstory.&lt;br /&gt;
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::As for the Keepers Trilogy&#039;s overall continuity... it doesn&#039;t mesh any WORSE than the first Dreamwave mini-series. (Faint praise though that be.)  Plus it made some definite motions to align itself mroe closely to the comcis co ntinuity at the endof the 3rd book.  ...and if I remember my timeline right, Superion&#039;s head showed up in Anihilation before it would have been written into TF#0. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Stuff==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Auntie&amp;quot; was, so far as I know, not an acronym. As well, it was definitely the name for the Ark&#039;s computer in the US, so I removed the italics as I didn&#039;t think those events/reasonings were UK-specific.&lt;br /&gt;
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As well, the Intraformers competition is not from the UK - it&#039;s from Sureshot&#039;s Transformers: Universe profile. But as I didn&#039;t look it up yet, I wasn&#039;t sure if I should un-italize the mention of &amp;quot;before he was named Optimus Prime&amp;quot; that&#039;s mentioned with it. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 03:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Marvel continuity, from the intraformers sharpshooting competition arose, never had a &#039;pre optimus Prime.&#039;  He was always just Optimus Prime.  (And was called such even when a junior officer, as seen in the Underbase saga.)&lt;br /&gt;
:Optimus Prime was a gifted athlete beginning to study for a medical profession when the war broke out.  Presumably the shooting competition was part of Prime&#039;s athlete days- shooting is an Olympic sport after all.  (Well,part of one.)&lt;br /&gt;
:If you want to split the difference on the entry, I suggest changing &#039;before he was named Optimsu Prime&#039; to either &#039;&#039;before the war began&#039;&#039; or &#039;&#039;before the war began in earnest.&#039;&#039;  The latter is only loosely justified by the text of comics continuities (the city-ststes had standaign armies and apparently fought- the great games were suppsoed to be a formalized sublimation of this) but it does have the marit of fitting well with War Dawn (and thus fits the new post* continuities which&#039;ve come along that smosh both continuities together) without actually being &#039;&#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039;&#039; in the context of its original occourence. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And it&#039;s not like civilians don&#039;t do shooting sports as a hobby or anything.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 04:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Beast Wars Primal ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we want to include the BW Bat Primal and the first MUNKY Primal as toys of Prime? In all one piece of media Bat Primal appeared in, he was definintly Prime with a new name, and the same can be said for Ultra MUNKY&#039;s specs. I can&#039;t remember if it&#039;s been brought up before, but if it has, I can&#039;t find it.&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s been a topic of discussion, but I think most of it has kept to IRC so far.  The red/blue &amp;quot;Convobat&amp;quot; from Japan may even have text on the back that says it&#039;s the original Prime, and the purple alligator Megatron that came with it has text that mentions a Walther P38, but we haven&#039;t pursued further translation.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Actually, we did, and it specifically says on both of them that they used to have those modes and are now animals. The problem, of course, is whether that makes them any more &amp;quot;really&amp;quot; Prime and Megatron than the US versions, or for that matter the Ultra toys in either country. Remember that Japan didn&#039;t even get a yes-or-no on whether they were the same guys until Metals. My personal preference would probably be to consider all of them Primal and BW Megs toys, despite how much I want the CD guys to be the G1 characters, or else we get into a bizarre continuum of &amp;quot;bat is Prime/ape is both/TM is Primal&amp;quot; which is confusing and not helpful, I think. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Kiss Players ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This bio says the EDC was bringing Convoy&#039;s remains from the battle of Autobot City.  I hadnt&#039; seen this in any of the other stuff i read, so could someone confirm that for me?  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: That info was put in by Swift, who seriously knows his Kiss Players stuff.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:11, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Thank you Walky.  To express my gratitude, I shall try to be less of a dumbass in the future. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m comfortable with that reputation, but I suppose I brought it on myself. And yeah, lots of KP story material places it as a direct follow-up to the movie.--[[User:Swift|Swift]] 16:39, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Follows the movie- but not trying to be compatale with season 3, right? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:53, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Wait, naughty-surfer Marissa Fairborne.  That was a stupid question.  &#039;&#039;&#039;I recind it!&#039;&#039;&#039; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think it helps that Japanese season 3 takes place 4 years after this, since it&#039;s all up in 2010 instead of 2006.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Oh, right, I forgot, the 5-years-in-which-Daniel-does-not-appear-to-age.  That DOES change things. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::They do seem to be taking pains to make it all sort of fit in. Hot Rod&#039;s backstory says he gave up the Matrix and reverted from Rodimus, too. --[[User:Swift|Swift]] 19:18, 16 October 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pudding==&lt;br /&gt;
MSTF running gag. &amp;quot;First darkness... then... light... then, pudding, I don&#039;t know why.&amp;quot; Since then, PUDDING has come up in regards to Prime a bit frequently. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:12, 1 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Parody trivia ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t think we should include in trivia (or anywhere else) all statements done in all the parody. I know the family Guy Jewish Prime is notorious, but if we start including that, we should as well mention Prime turned a movie for prostate cancer prevention. I think canon is difficult enough to determine by itself.&lt;br /&gt;
Also, if we had to seriously think about Optimus&#039;s religious orientation, he is most probably a [[Primus]] believer. Unless being Jewish for a transformers is about not believing [[Rodimus Prime]] is the new Primus incarnation, but in that case, most of the Transformers are probably Jewish.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: ... who the fuck put that in there? The idea of Family Guy being TF canon has made me physically ill, thank you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Agreed. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== John Wayne &amp;amp; Abe Lincolln ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[David Wise]] interview on the Kid Rhino DVD&#039;s includes a fairly lengthy tangent on why he thinks Optimus Prime was the greatest of the 80&#039;s bumper crop of heroic characters, where he says that it&#039;s because Prime is a mash-up of Lincoln&#039;s ideals and John Wayne&#039;s methodology.  He was discussing RoOP (which he didn&#039;t write) but &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; comparison seems to be &#039;about&#039; his work in season 2.  Thing is, I couldn&#039;t tell- is the Wayne-Lincoln thing Wise&#039;s way of looking at Prime?  Something the Sunbow writers room had synthesized by the time season 2 was ramping up? (Prime was much blander in season 1...) Or was it &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; part of his character?  The original character bios of Prime have it in spades- was there a margin-note that Budinsky (or whoever) jotted down somewhere for Prime &#039;John Wayne + Lincoln&#039; that other writers followed, or did this realization/synthesis come later?&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.creativescreenwriting.com/expo/speaker_detail.cfm?speakerID=1209 Tom Pope] has a fascinating theory on heroes and societies, and it caught my eye that he thinks the most recent set of heroic archetypes (they come in pairs,) were Wyatt Earp and Lincoln.  I &#039;&#039;see&#039;&#039; Tom on occasion, and I think he&#039;d get a kick out of the Optimus Prime thing, but I want to get it right.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:19, 3 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cartoon section confusion==&lt;br /&gt;
I was advised against segmenting G1 Soundwave&#039;s article to reflect his appearance in the Madman comic as it would be a bad trend of splitting established continuities every time a new story or dubious retcon emerges. After viewing the cartoon section of this page, I can see what JW means, because I couldn&#039;t tell what the hell was going on. Why are the Japanese comics (even if they are set within their alternate cartoon continuity) directly inserted between G1 Season 1/2 and the 1986 Movie? And then the Teletraan Go Go and Kiss Players crap in between the movie and Season 3/4, which, funnily enough, also uses the Japanese 2010 title, which, as far as I know, we have never used as I am so often reminded that this is a American Transformers wiki. As it stands, the cartoon section of arguably the most important character on this wiki is very confusing. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ichh, didnt see this talk post and talked about this on the Soundwave talk page... yeah, I&#039;m all agreeing with this, and stuff. As the American and Japanese animated continuities have just recently become &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; different animals as a result of all the extra stuff that&#039;s been jammed into the Japanese timeline lately, I&#039;m more in favour of &amp;quot;American animated continuity&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Japanese animated continuity&amp;quot; being two separate headers. I did this with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] recently (I remember between posts!), and I think it&#039;s the tidiest way of representing the information. I&#039;m not doing anything this evening, so I might take a crack at re-working Prime&#039;s page to see what we all think... - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]]&lt;br /&gt;
::A lot of the stuff on Optimus Prime&#039;s page is a product of the wiki&#039;s very early work.  When Japanese/English stuff gets this crazy, it should be separated accordingly.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:26, 4 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Roight, I&#039;ve taken a stab at reorganizing it all. What say we all? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Thanks man, I forgot all about this as I was blocking out the mess of this page from my mind. I think we should have some sort of &#039;review&#039; policy where we check articles that were created in full in 2006 to see if they still adhere to our current requirements. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Weapon ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Any other weapon he uses other than his standard Rifle?([[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] 23:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC))&lt;br /&gt;
:Does his [[Furmanism]]s count?  --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:17, 11 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Depends on the continuity.  In [[Stormbringer]] he uses bunches and bunches of weapons.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:49, 11 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Just curious but is a plural version of his name Optimuses or Optimi?&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;[[Optimus (disambiguation)|Optimuses]]&amp;quot;, per [[Megatron (BW)]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Okeydoke.[[User:Proconix|Proconix]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cullen in Later Commercials==&lt;br /&gt;
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Has this been verified?  Back in either BotCon 2004 or BotCon 2006 (I don&#039;t recall which at the moment), Cullen claimed NOT to have done those late commercials (post-movie).  I&#039;m perfectly willing to believe that this is just faulty memory, but wanted to check.--[[Special:Contributions/71.110.188.13|71.110.188.13]] 09:56, 21 April 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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