Talk:Endgame, Part II

2009-07-15T14:05:45Z

71.154.8.117: /* Loose Ends */

==Matrix==

The Matrix is probably the All Spark in a new tamper proof packaging. [[User:Decepticonman|Decepticonman]]
09:20, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Is there ANY confirmation as to what it is, or is it just speculation? [[User: Eire]] 18.51 May 23 09 (UTC)

Now this is just speculation, but that above suggestion is probably speculation. All the same, it may be an idea to ask our usual source about that Matrix on his twitter, or at Botcon next week... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 09:21, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

I'm surprised it's on a chain round his neck. Was a G1-style compartment too expensive? Of course, it's possibly supposed to be visible but <I>still</I>... -Cassius335 {{unsigned|92.9.177.11|16:03, May 24, 2009 EDT}}

:If it looks like the Matrix... it is probably the Matrix. It isn't some random object. We don't have a problem assigning names to all those cameo characters. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:11, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

==Remaining Decepticons==

Thundercracker, Skywarp, Scrapper, Mixmaster, Dirtboss, and possibly Lockdown need to be added to the list of remaining Decepticons. [[User:Decepticonman|Decepticonman]] 09:18, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
Slipstream is still on Earth somewhere, too. [[Special:Contributions/4.252.38.124|4.252.38.124]] 09:21, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Not Dinobot Island. ==

As far as I can tell by the shape of the Isle, I would say it isn't dinobot island, but an other one. Am I right?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:03, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:No sir, you are not. Dinobot Island's shape got changed when that huge crescent-chunk got blown out of it during "Predacons Rising". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:05, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

== Starscream clones and AllSpark fragments ==

{{Quote|Ahh... but your clones are just lifeless shells without my AllSpark fragment to bring them online.|Starscream Endgame 1}}
{{quote|Who needs your fragment?|Megatron}}
Starscream animated his clones with his AllSpark fragment. Starscream thinks his fragment will bring all three online. The clones don't need one fragment of their own each. There is nothing to say the clones have their own fragment. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:56, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:When Screamer's bringing his clones online during A bridge too close part 1, he's seen breaking off a small fragment of his own fragment, inserts it into Skywarp's empty spark conatiner, and Skywarp then comes online. Presumably, this is how he brought all of the clones online. They do have their own Allspark fragments... Very small ones, it seems, but they still do have them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:01, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::Thank you. I forgot that. I updated the [[Starscream clone]] page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:07, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

==Lugnut Supreme theme music==
It's been a while since I saw it, but didn't the second Terminator movie feature nearly the same droning roar noise-music thing following the unstoppable badguy around? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 10:36, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, I noticed that too. It's very similar.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 12:36, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

== Starscream Supremes ==

This part was a bit odd, I'll admit, but it doesn't seem like a continuity error... To me, it doesn't even look like he was controlling them. When Lugnut was controlling the clones, it looks like he had to consciously convey every order to the Supremes... When Starscream "took over" he wasn't doing such thing... He was just flying around, and the clones were moving on their own accord... From what I can tell, it looks like Screamer slipped in a prerecorded message along with some sort of program to tell the clones to defend themselves, all the while heading for a specific location, along with those bombs. That's what I made of it. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:25, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:But that's the thing - Megatron COULDN'T DO THAT. He had to have Lugnut piped in because he didn't have the security patch, that wasn't the way he wanted to run them.
:And then Starscream pulls it off, not just without the security patch but without ANY of the codes - and thus without activating the clones to his own personality - gets them into an autonomous mode without so much as being piped in? Continuity error. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:36, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
::I personally like to think that Starscream is just more clever then Megatron is, so he figured something out Megatron couldn't... Or maybe there wasn't any additional security patches, the reason they couldn't get through was because of Screamer's meddling in the first place... But that's just me getting speculative. Personally, I'd like to wait for the WOG to clear this up a bit, if we ever get to ask them. But until someone official clears it up, all right, continuity error it is. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:50, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Cleverer than Megatron? Possibly. Cleverer than Shockwave? A lot less likely. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 14:55, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
:::: I dunno, personally, Screamer came off to me as pretty darn clever... And Shockwave seemed nearly fumble his own cover often... But this is really getting into the territory of "I like this character better personally, so he's clearly the most clever character!" so yeah... In either case, it's undeniable that Screamer has the most experience with cloning technology out of all of them. That could have given him the edge in this situation. Whatever the case may be, I'm not touching this until any new official information pops up. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 15:05, 24 May 2009 (EDT)
===Reference to "Key to Vector Sigma?===
Hello,
I have signed in. I intended to edit this page and add a "Transformers Reference" to the effect that Prowl merging with the All Spark is reminiscent of Alpha Trion Merging with Vector Sigma in "The Key to Vector Sigma." But discovered that the page was locked, preventing editing. why?
:Registered users can edit it. Anonymous and newly registered users are blocked to ensure that [[spoilers]] and other shenanigans do not make their way onto the page before the episode airs. You just registered, so it will take a while before you can edit it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:25, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

==Loose Ends==
Not a super-strenuous objection, but I'm not quite sure what the point is of listing out all the uncaptured Decepticons / loose ends here. We don't do it elsewhere (I haven't checked EVERY series ender, but we don't do it for The Rebirth III of G1, Endgame III of Beast Machines or the last episode of Cybertron, finishing out the Unicron trilogy) which makes it seem out of place here. In fact, it's only because Animated is so tightly written that it's even possible - a list of the loose ends left over from The Rebirth would probably be about 40 screen lengths long. Keep in mind that while a 4th season is off the table, shows HAVE been known to come back with a direct-to-video special now and again, and there have been rumors of some sort of comic book continuation.

If we DO decide that this content is worth having somewhere, wouldn't it be best served on the overall franchise page? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:40, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

:Does anyone else even have an opinion on this section? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:58, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

::I think that it's worth having, although I'm open to the idea of moving it elsewhere if that's what everyone else thinks. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:33, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

:::I think Sari's ambiguous origin deserves a mention. It was a theme that ran throughout the show that never got suitably explained. But yes maybe it would be better served on the franchise page. The other stuff is ultimately unimportant. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]]

::::I, for one, think thats jut how awesome Animated is compared to GeeWun and "Animarda" or Beasties.

== Time Issue ==

Some scenes had to be cut for time and I was wondering WHY Couldn't they have just made the episode longer because there aren't anymore season so now what happens to what wasn't explained. [[User:TransformerChick|TransformerChick]] 17:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
:Standard solicited size for your average US cartoon series season. Tends not to be deviated from because it makes scheduling easier. Nearly everything is in thirteen episode blocks, and those are half-hour episodes, save for pilots.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:20, 15 June 2009 (EDT)
::You wanna get technical with the standard run time, it's typically 22 minutes & 18 seconds long. Just being difficult.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:19, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

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