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Orion Pax, Part 1

2012-02-19T04:53:14Z

71.162.103.239: /* Trivia */

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'''Megatron manipulates the impaired Optimus into joining the Decepticons.'''

==Synopsis==
With the [[Autobot]]s back at base after [[Unicron]]'s defeat, [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] grimly outlines the situation and speculates that [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus]] has reverted to Orion Pax, his pre-Prime self.

On the ''[[Nemesis (Prime)|Nemesis]]'', [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] makes a ship-wide announcement that Orion Pax is to be treated as a guest. [[Airachnid]] doesn't think it's wise to let an Autobot on board, but Megatron isn't concerned and has his own plans for Orion. Elsewhere on the ship, [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] affixes a new [[Decepticon]] [[insignia]] to Orion's shoulder.

[[William Fowler|Fowler]] wonders why they can't just track down Optimus's signal, but Ratchet says it hasn't been on their sensors since they left the [[Earth]]'s core. They must find some way to track down Optimus regardless, so they can somehow restore his memory. The best bet seems to be to use the [[Key to Vector Sigma]], but the problem is, [[Vector Sigma]]'s on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

Megatron begins to fill Orion Pax in on what's been happening, spinning a yarn about how Orion has been a captive of the Autobots, who are led by the Warlord Ratchet. Orion is shocked at the images Megatron shows him of a war-ravaged Cybertron.

[[June Darby|June]] announces that there's no way [[Jack Darby|Jack]] is going to Cybertron, but Ratchet says only Jack can use the key to access Vector Sigma. The point's moot anyway, as they don't have any way to get to Cybertron. As [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] points out, the [[GroundBridge]] barely made orbit, though [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] wonders why Ratchet can't just "turbo-charge" it.

With Megatron finished "informing" Orion, the latter vows to help the Decepticons overcome Ratchet and the Autobots. Megatron has [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] remove any incriminating evidence from the ship's [[data core]] so Orion can be put to work furthering the Decepticon cause without any risk of him finding anything embarrassing.

[[Sierra]] turns up at [[KO Burger]] to visit Jack as he works at the drive through, confused that she never sees him outside school. Their discussion is interrupted by [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] picking him up as his shift ends. Sierra jumps to the obvious conclusion after hearing the female voice, and seems unconvinced by Jack's claim that it's his mother. Arcee reports that they haven't detected Optimus yet.

Megatron discusses their new comrade with Knock Out, who wonders if they shouldn't beef up the security, however Orion's workstation has been located close to the [[energon]] storage, which is under heavy guard.

Back at [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|base]], Ratchet is "tinkering" with the GroundBridge.

Orion has managed to decode some of the data from the [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] archives, giving coordinates on Earth of stashed Cybertronian technology, possibly weapons. He is puzzled by the absence from the ''Nemesis'' of [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] who is mentioned in the documents as being Megatron's second-in-command, but Megatron claims Starscream is dead. Megatron returns to the bridge, where he tells Soundwave he's concerned that Orion will soon learn the truth.

Fowler contacts the Autobots to let them know that the Decepticons are attacking one of the military bases they hit two months before. Bumblebee, Bulkead and Arcee respond, finding Knock Out and Breakdown in the process of stealing a power source. As the pair GroundBridge out, Arcee races through after them and begins speeding through the ''Nemesis'', bashing Vehicons and hunting for Optimus. Soundwave soon relays her presence to Megatron, and though Airachnid offers to deal with it, Megatron sends Soundwave to ensure the Autobot is escorted off the ship. Alerted by the fighting, Orion emerges from his quarters, but Soundwave manages to GroundBridge Arcee off the ship just before Orion can see her.

Deposited somewhere arctic, Arcee is soon back at base admitting she didn't succeed in determining the location of the ship or whether Optimus was even aboard. Fowler makes a brief call to yell at them for the human casualties at the base, and tensions among the Autobots soon spill over into arguing. Jack, however, believes they can commandeer the Decepticon [[space bridge]] once it's complete, and use it to reach Cybertron. The Autobots are doubtful, but determined to try and find the space bridge.

Meanwhile, [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] sneaks back on board the ''Nemesis'' to steal a stack of [[energon cube]]s. Though he deals with the Vehicons guarding the energon storage, more are on their way, and he's forced to duck into a nearby room. His relief as momentary, as he finds himself face to face with Optimus Prime.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (1)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (2)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (3)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (4)
|c2=
*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (11)
*[[Airachnid]] (12)
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Orion Pax]] (13)
*[[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] (14)
*[[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] (15)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (17)
|c3=
*[[William Fowler]] (5)
*[[June Darby]] (6)
*[[Jack Darby]] (7)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (8)
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (9)
*[[Sierra]] (16)

|c4=
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] (18)

}}

==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
===Continuity notes===
*Megatron tells Orion that the name "[[Decepticon]]" was a term coined by Autobots to demonize the faction. This may or may not be actually true.
*Starscream's absence is finally acknowledged by Megatron after his supposed capture in "[[Partners]]". He evidently realized that Starscream may have betrayed him again and ordered him to be detained if he returned.

===Transformers references===
===Real-world references===
===Trivia===
*A 12-minute sneak preview of this episode was made available On Demand on [[February 10]], 2012.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-season-2-episode-1-12-minute-preview-on-verizon-fios-174350/ Transformers Prime Season 2 Episode 1 12 Minute Preview on Verizon Fios]</ref>
*[[Fire in the Sky|Megatron tricks a good guy that the Decepticons are good]].

==References==
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2012-02-19T04:49:03Z

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== Alternation suggestion ==

Should we get rid of "Alternation" 'cuz it's been there for two years. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 19:36, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Well, [[Alternation]] has only been there for two months, but I think once we get some translations for this ''United'' story that's coming out through eHobby, we could replace it with those. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:56, 8 March 2011 (EST)

So why haven't we done it yet? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:34, 9 March 2011 (EST)

== Logo Characters ==

I've been thinking that the characters who sit behind our logo on the main page are a little boring in my opinion. Now, I know this site is not aboutopinions, but why not put some dofferent characters up there? Secifically, high pofile figures such as G1 O.P. and megatron rather than The Fallen and the colorful guy from that BotCon. Maybe change ROTF Starscream into G1 Starscream but the former is pretty well known I guess. So what I'm trying to say is: why not replace some of the lesser known characters with better known ones? --[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 18:07, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
: Thank you for your input. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:12, 14 April 2011 (EDT)
:Ask yourself, is it reasonable to turn the tfwiki into a G1 hagiography? If anything, the front page should convey tfwiki's mentality straight up, and that is that no shit is too minor and that ''Transformers'' is respected as a brand that knows how to adapt and keep going. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:08, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
::Plus the logo already has an Optimus Prime, a Megatron, a Bumblebee, a Starscream, and a Soundwave in the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:21, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
:::My best understanding is characters who are presently relevant (ie upcoming or just-released fiction) are put in the rotation. Prime characters and BotCon 2011 characters, basically. (hey, on that topic, shouldn't Motormaster, Wildrider and Cheetor be added to the rotation?) --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
Thank you for putting it into perspective. It was not my intention to convey that we should turn tfwiki into a
G1 hagiography or whatever. So is that to say that the next inductee into the Hall of Fame will be on the rotation?
--[[Special:Contributions/67.142.174.22|67.142.174.22]] 09:19, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
: We generally don't add anyone into the logo unless we get new full-body promotional art of them. That's why everyone is recent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:47, 15 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Case in point: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:TFWIKInet-SentinelPrimeDOTM.jpg --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:38, 15 April 2011 (EDT)

The rest of the Prime characters should go on IMHO

== Hall of Fame ==

The Hall of Fame section directly under the logo seems to me a bit outdated. How about noting Waspinator's victory now? - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 22:00, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:It's kinda more for site-relevant news. Normally it woulda been swapped out for another Hasbro Q&A, but there hasn't been one for some time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:29, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Understood. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 19:50, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

== Crisscross ==

You guys should change the latest episode of Prime from [[Operation: Breakdown]] to [[Crisscross]]

== Dark of the Moon App ==

Please make a page for the Dark of the moon app for iDevices. I think people would like it!

[[Special:Contributions/24.11.137.121|24.11.137.121]] 18:52, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Loading errors ==

I always have problems with the site. It shows the error page constently. Please help me!

[[Special:Contributions/24.11.137.121|24.11.137.121]] 19:06, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Social Networking icons ==

I added [[Ravage (SG)]] to the social networking icons. The HTML code to overlay the text int he dead space to the left of him uses absolute positioning (a tch hacky) but browsershots.org shows it works in every major browser (as well as dozens I've never heard of.) Sooo... I'm leaving it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

== TLAP Day ==

I just wanted to note how awesome this wiki looked today. Hurrah! - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 00:09, 20 September 2011 (EDT)

...Now it's stuck on TLAP Day... possibly forever... [[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.26|69.19.14.26]] 16:33, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

::I doubt it will lart forever, matey.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 18:09, 21 September 2011 (EDT)

Ye be right! We bein' back to normal, mateys! [[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.100|66.82.9.100]] 14:09, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

English (US) translation

You're right! We're back to normal, guys! [[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.100|66.82.9.100]] 14:09, 22 September 2011 (EDT)

== Facebook link ==

It no longer seems to work. Did the Facebook get deleted or something? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:23, 5 October 2011 (EDT)
:It works fine for me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:43, 6 October 2011 (EDT)
::Hmmm, maybe it's because I don't have a Facebook account then. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:52, 6 October 2011 (EDT)

== Exiles ==
Shouldn't Exiles go on the "current releases" info-thing? [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] 20:09, 7 October 2011 (EDT)
:Yes, it should. I'm not sure where though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:23, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::Under United? That last area in that module ''was'' intended as sort of a miscellaneous catch-all for any new releases that don't fit the other categories. Alternatively, maybe under Prime? Isn't it in the same Aligned continuity? --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 10:20, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

== Tfwiki.info? ==

The link's pretty useless. Have you ever overlooked that problem? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.19|66.82.162.19]] 15:56, 20 October 2011 (EDT)

::I concur with this. Is there another reason why that link is still up there? (Sorry if I'm overlooking something) --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUIMagnus299]] 03:33, 20 November 2011 (EST)

== gathering ==

The page for Beast Wars The Gathering has been deleated. Why is that? ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.18.164|184.56.18.164]] 20:13, 4 November 2011 (EDT))
:It's still there at [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering]]. Derik just got the link wrong when he got his bot to change all the links after it moved. I already brought it up on his talk page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:24, 4 November 2011 (EDT)

== Logo Change ==

I think it wouldn't hurt if you changed the wiki logo in the top left corner from its current ''Animated'' look into a more ''Prime''-esque logo. {{unsigned|68.147.45.66}}
: I agree! Given that Aligned/Prime is the main continuity it would be fitting. I'd happily knock something up, but graphics is not my forte. - [[User:Yuppie|Yuppie]] 19:12, 2 December 2011 (EST)
I rather like the white/blue/red look we have now. Why? Because you can tell from a glance that we sure ain't that damn terrible Wikia site. Redoing this site in a Prime theme would necessitate a lot of darks and blacks, and that would get rid of that distinction. We've branded. I'd like to hem close to the brand we've established. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:34, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:[[Image:User_Yuppie_Test_TFWiki_Prime_Logo.jpg|right]]I agree the overall theme is great and instantly you know where you are, I wouldn't want the whole page to be changed, I just thought that it would be nice if the main logo was updated, even if it was just the 'TransFormers Wiki' part, i.e. leave the Autobot symbol. The Prime word logo would fit, and like with the current Animated one change the 'Prime' wording to 'WIKI', I've had a go on Paintbrush, apologies for quality, {{unsigned|Yuppie}}
::Our current logo also has "TFWIKI.NET" on it, but I'm hard pressed to see how to fit that in the Prime logo without it looking bad. Also I feel compelled to mention that the logo's restricted in size due to placement, and shrinking that logo down to fit makes the word "WIKI" nearly unreadable anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:11, 3 December 2011 (EST)
:::What if we replaced the Prime-logo "Transformers" with "TFWIKI" (single line) and the light-slash-through-it "Wiki" with ".Net"? Use the fonts to actually depict our name. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:06, 3 December 2011 (EST)
::I didn't know this was a Transformers WtKt. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:18, 8 December 2011 (EST)
Speaking of logo changing, i wanna know how u do that. Im having problems with my title in my own wiki & i need to know how to change it--[[User:Jazzerprime|Jazzerprime]] 2:45, December 19, 2011
:If it's on Wikia, they have a different way of doing it to how we do it here, so you'd be better off asking on their community central wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:05, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::Thank u [[User:Jazzerprime|Jazzerprime]] 5:04, 19 December 2011

== Fall of Cybertron in Nav Bar? ==

I'm thinking we should add Fall of Cybertron to the Nav Bar once all the pages relating to the games have been cleaned up from their current state (streamlined is the word, as there are too many useless pages to navigate relating to the FOC "franchise"). Also, maybe add some FOC characters to the cycling picture on the main page too. Dark of the Moon came out months ago, and sure the toyline is still going, but it's about to be replaced by the "Movie Trilogy" line. I say replace DOTM with FOC, or leave it and add FOC on a new slot. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 22:47, 19 December 2011 (EST)
: We can add FOC dudes to the cycling logo image once we have clean versions of them. As of now, we don't, probably because it's not coming out for another year. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:: I understand, but what of the Nav Bar? How many slots are allowed, or is it unlimited? I started wondering since I noticed WFC's slot got changed to Rescue Bots. And while that's well and good, perhaps FOC can have a slot, as we are getting more and more information each day it seems. --[[User:Kaymac192|Kaymac192]] 22:57, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::Potentially we can have as many as we like, with the caveat of course that stuff underneath gets moved down further. Would be cool maybe to change the skin to have collapsing sections like Wikipedia's Vector skin does. I'm all for adding a Fall of Cybertron link once the Fall of Cybertron pages are streamlined. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:36, 21 December 2011 (EST)

== italics vs. quotation marks ==

I know I'm probably being a pain in the butt, but why every title in the "current releases" navbar is in quotation marks - except "Dark of the Moon" and "Switching Gears"? I'd change it, but since it's the main page, I'd rather ask first. Also, Happy New Year, guys. - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 11:30, 31 December 2011 (EST)
:Here is {{SITENAME SHORT}}'s [[Help:Style guide#Titles|style guide on the subject]]. It doesn't list novels like Switching Gears, but I think they should be italicized. - [[User:Starfield|Starﬁeld]] 12:40, 31 December 2011 (EST)
::Thanks. I could've thought of checking guides... Anyway, I think we could add the books/novels sub-clause to the guide. - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] 11:08, 1 January 2012 (EST)

== Transformers Day ==

Though it may not be worth mentioning, a lot of Transformers shows and movies aired to day. First, Rescue Bots on the Hub at 11:30 am est. Then Revenge of the Fallen at 6:00 pm est on FX. Then season 2 of Prime and The Transformers: The Movie on the Hub.

My point is that so much Transformers was on today, it should be called Transformers Day. Was there any other day like this ever before with Transformers media?[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:20, 18 February 2012 (EST)
:The Hub called today "Transformers Mega Saturday", but I think the FX airing of ROTF was a happy coincidence. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:30, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::There have been times when on FX, Revenge of the Fallen is on, and on TNT, the first movie is on, at the same time.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:47, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::: In fact, it's happen twice.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:49, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Talk:Main Page

2012-02-19T04:47:55Z

71.162.103.239: /* Transformers Day */

Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)

2012-02-19T04:27:06Z

71.162.103.239: /* Orion Pax, Part 1 */

This disambig tag fills me with glee. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Though why people find this funny confuses me. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::I just imagine [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] saying it, it. Or would that be Optimus Prime (Prime), (Prime)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:34, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I guess the archivist thing is from Exodus? 'cause in the WfC game he instead mentions having been a dock worker.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 14:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::When did he mention that? I honestly don't remember him saying that, but my memory is not exactly something to go on. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:06, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::It's during the in-game banter, I'd say during the second autobot chapter but could be the third. If memory serves, a teammate voices his approval of Optimus' taking matters in his own hands and acting like a leader and Optimus retorts as soon as the war's over he'll go back to working at the docks. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 03:47, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
: Yay, more inconsistencies! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And I thought nothing could be more inconsistent with established continuity than AHM. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:49, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::And is it 100 percent certain the Optimus in WFC and the one in Prime will be the same guy, cause I've been tracking the news, and beyond a lot of speculation and vague suggestion, nothing seems confirmed [[Special:Contributions/148.197.8.240|148.197.8.240]] 00.01 30 Jube 2010
::::Everyone at Hasbro sure seems to think so. ''Exodus'', which is written apparently from the ''Prime'' show backstory, includes the events of WFC loosely within its second half. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:11, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Even if they're not in the exact same universe, they're certainly in the same continuity family, so they'd get the same page. Just as Sunbow Prime and IDW Prime are both on the G1 page.[[User:Kaje|Kaje]] 19:31, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::And there are others. Well, I haven't read Exodus but based on the summary on this wiki it's more like two different stories that reach the same end point. For one, in WfC Optimus doesn't become a Prime at the beginning of the war, but after Zeta's death, mere days before the evacuation. And the Matrix is introduced in a completely different way, possibly doesnt even ''exist'' until the end of chapter 8. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Exodus tries to have it both ways. Once you get to the end of the book and Sentinel dies, Optimus gets the Matrix then, and Alpha Trion notes that Prime wasn't truly a Prime until this moment, regardless of what the council said. So he was dubbed a Prime by the council at the beginning, but it wasn't really true until just before they left Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah, I guess it's an honorable fix, yet still doesn't mesh, mind you. In the game it's mentioned Optimus first refused to be a Prime, which is why he doesn't have the title (whether or not this landed Zeta the job is unclear since the way they word it at times I may almost think they could have several Primes at once) and the Matrix is unrelated to the Council and the Prime title they bestow.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 08:42, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Why don't we just change the opening to "The young bot who would become Optimus Prime" rather than have it at Optimus or Orion Pax, and wait until Prime premiers and see if it ever goes with one or the other?

In the game, it's Optimus, not Orion Pax. Does the book override the game, or vice versa?
-ThiAthEhn
: The events of the game happen within the last half of the novel, after Optimus has stopped being Orion Pax. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::The tricky bit is still that the game starts before he decides to become Optimus Prime, ie in the novel he goes from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, while in the game he goes from Optimus to Optimus Prime.[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 12:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, the article's current bio doesn't take into account the WFC game at all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Hmm. The game does have a scene where Megatron and Optimus talk about something that happened between them before the game started. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:19, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

== So, do we have to move WFC stuff I've written to new character articles? ==

Argh. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
:Just like I predicted, yes. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:00, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
::I'm too tired to clean this giant mess right now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:01, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Profile Should Be Rewritten ==

The Character profile here right now is all Exodus stuff. But almost all of it is stuff that is totally different in WfC. The Character profiles are supposed to be generic and fit all version of the character. I think this one needs to be moved to the Exodus sub-section and a new more general Prime (Prime) (that's fun) profile written, Yes?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
:I agree, it's a bit too specific about the Exodus stuff considering what a big deal WFC is as a form of Prime media. I believe the reason it totally lacks WFC stuff is because Walky wrote it and apparently hasn't played WFC yet. Well, I presume on the last, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)
::I guess nobody cares then. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:57, 4 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I care, and I think it does need to be rewritten but I think that'll be a LOT easier to do once Prime is on TV and we have more to work with. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 07:23, 11 August 2010 (EDT)
:Exodus appears to be the official backstory of the Prime continuity, judging by the [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 official timeline]. For all the marketing hype about how WFC was totally in-continuity and everything, it appears the video game is, as video games usually are, a [[micro-continuity]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:44, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

== G1==

So Exodus is based off the prime cartoon but war for cybertron is a prequel to g1.And if you disagree hasbro themselves sayed that. {{unsigned|98.204.17.1|14:54, July 5, 2010 (EDT)}}
:Yes, it is, no it isn't, no they haven't, sign your posts, Do The Research. Thank you for your time. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:41, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Videogames based on franchises tend to get retconned, like what happened to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Also, the show has been described as a mix of Animated and Live-Action films, which the game doesn't really reflect. If we are going to reclassify characters we should use something like "Optimus Prime (WFC)" until everything gets really confirmed.[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:19, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
THANK YOU someone gets it. "unregistered" 11:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT){{unsigned|98.204.17.1}}

For Primus' sake, it was confirmed at Comic-Con that Prime follows on from WFC. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:33, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

== Toy ==

The fig looks awesome with [[Octane#Universe_.282008.29|Tankor]]'s guns on his forearms! [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 14:33, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:And this is relevant how? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:26, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

== Move ==

So yeah, I've been suggesting this for a while, and this goes for all WFC (including ''Exodus'') articles, which we're really treating as a separate franchise now we've gone with Aligned as the continuity family's name for now. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving this article, because WFC isn't really a separate franchise. It's some tie-in games that Hasbro licensed to launch their new continuity with. The related toys didn't even have their own logo, they were released as "Generations". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:Moving it just sort of feels "wrong" to me in a way I can't properly articulate. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:58, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I disagree with moving any of these articles, for the reasons articulated by abates. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I don't even consider War for Cybertron to be a franchise, so no. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 08:44, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:No chance in Hades. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:49, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::Right now I can see two distinct reasons beyond "no" (this isn't a poll actually). One, WFC is no less a franchise than Power Core Combiners, and it was a game accompanied by a novel, a comic and toys. At one point ''Prime'' toys were going to be released as Generations, but it's still a Transformers franchise. Afterall, [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] was released as part of the unsubtitled range last year, but he's still a G1 character.
::Chris, I know how you feel about moving it to (WFC) as ''Prime'' is where we're really getting to know these characters, that's why we have the ''Prime'' designs as the main images. If you are for uniformity, perhaps it is time to move [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]] to "Optimus Prime (LVF)", and this to "Optimus Prime (Aligned)"?
::Regardless, I will be adding WFC Autobots and Decepticons cats to these pages. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::Remember "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", or in more wiki-related terms "[[Help:Ignore all standards|in situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule.]]" That's why all the Shattered Glass characters are at (SG) even though some of them are technically (Timelines).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:12, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::"[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" debuted before "''Prime''" even existed. He predates ''Prime''. So I don't like "Optimus Prime (Prime)." Categorizing Aligned things by franchise might be obsolete. The toyline is no longer organized by franchise. I think "Optimus Prime (Aligned)" is the way to go. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:36, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I lean towards Optimus Prime (Aligned) myself because it's Right, though I also think there's a good argument for keeping it Prime (Prime) because its Simpler for Users. So...?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::No one outside the wiki will know what "aligned" means, and we don't disambiguate by continuity family anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::I didn't realize this conversation existed, so I started [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|another one on the same topic over here]] and covered basically everything people have brought up. For the record, I agree entirely with what Alientraveller has said. "(WFC)" for most of these guys, "(Prime)" for the ones that originated in the cartoon, and "(Aligned)" for none of them because we disambig by franchise, not family. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:06, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I feel if we're going to talk about moving a bunch of high-profile characters, it should probably be discussed somewhere more central like the community portal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:43, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I believe we should keep O.P. (Prime) seperate from his WFC page. In my opinion, they are different enough to warrent seperation.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: That is absolutely not going to happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:Yeah, because nobody is allowed to change in personality over the course of '''untold millions of years'''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:45, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::He's not talking about the personality. At least, I hope not, since they're both Stock Movie Peter Cullen Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)
:::Well, my point about change still stands just as well in regards to appearance as it does in regards to personality. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:36, 2 March 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, just run down the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] page and look at all the 30 million bodies he went through. Prime (Prime) just has two. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:53, 2 March 2011 (EST)

: No no no no no no no no no no nononono fucking NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:20, 2 March 2011 (EST)
: If Hasbro hadn't specifically said that WFC and Prime go together, you might have had a point. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:27, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I agree with Sipher.

Page is staying at (Prime) for now, as with all WFC characters who are in ''Prime'', per an agreement at the Community Portal to keep those characters at (Prime) to not confuse the normal readers. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:07, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Animated? ==

"The instructions show the rifle being plugged in by its shorter peg, which causes it to resemble the Transformers Animated Voyager-class Optimus Prime...", how does it resemble him at all?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 16:18, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
:It's referring to the shape of the guns being similar. [[Special:Contributions/98.209.73.178|98.209.73.178]] 19:39, 25 March 2011 (EDT)
::And yet they aren't, at all. The note is removed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:21, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

== Generations Prime stress marks ==

Should it be mentioned in the article that the panel his back wheels are attached to causes stress marks to the surrounding plastic around the hinges on the sides of his legs when the panel is flipped? I have the United and Darkside versions, and they both feature plastic hinge parts that are quite thick, meaning that the panel is tense, is difficult to flip over, and that the plastic tends to press hard onto his legs when flipped, resulting in some nasty stress marks. I'm just wondering whether anybody else has this problem. <strike>[[Special:Contributions/58.69.199.160|58.69.199.160]] 22:32, 10 November 2011 (EST)</strike> [[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 21:45, 7 December 2011 (EST)

== Quick Question ==

Now that Optimus is a Decepticon, can anyone add a Decepticon insignia on the page?--[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.39|69.19.14.39]] 17:01, 15 November 2011 (EST) P.S. I wonder if Optimus eventually will say "Tyranny is the right of all sentient beings.". The World will NEVER KNOW!
::No. That violates "Spoiler Rules." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 23:25, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::It has nothing to do with spoiler rules. We do not withhold information based on "spoilers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
:::: We certainly do in some cases, and in those rare cases when we do, it's at the very top of articles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:33, 20 December 2011 (EST)

==HOF?==
Is this optimus a hall of famer?

==Transformation Instructions==
"Push down on his ''hood?''" He doesn't ''have'' a hood. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:53, 28 November 2011 (EST)

==Aligned?==
What evidence is there that Optimus Prime is the same guy as WFC/Prime Optimus, other than the off-the-cuff comment that Cybertron is uninhabitable? It's not like a deserted Cybertron is exclusive to the Aligned continuity family, after all. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:04, 18 December 2011 (EST)
: The cartoon goes to great lengths to suggest there's a larger Transformers universe that Rescue Bots is not allowed to interact with. If this cartoon were truly its own thing, with no connections to any concurrently-running television show, they wouldn't be going out of their way to bring up the war and then make up excuses for why these dudes don't get to be a part of it. That this is [[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]'s "secret second family" is the simplest answer to the question of why all this complexity for no reason.
: Plus, frankly, I bet anything Hasbro produces these days is from that Aligned bible. The only reason these guys have separate pages to begin with is that representatives at Toy Fair said these guys were from a universe with no Decepticons. Clearly, that's not the case. And if we were never told that, I would have bunched up these characters with the Prime universe.
: Remember, the Prime continuity family also includes War for Cybertron. Two out of three of Hasbro's new outlets for Transformers content (WFC, Prime cartoon) are in the Aligned continuity family. To think that the third, Rescue Bots, is not included in this group, even though the RB cartoon spends considerable time to make it possible for the three to coexist... is illogical. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:17, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Fair enough, but I think we should at least wait for some kind of official confirmation before doing anything too drastic. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:21, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::That might be a long wait. I mean, even if they stick a bit in Prime where someone walks in on Optimus having a secret phone call with Heatwave, a bunch of stuff needs to happen in Prime before they can get to that point. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::Yeah, given how Prime is currently going, I am pretty damn sure that Rescue Bots takes place either before or during the first season. I don't think it could happen during at least the beginning of the second, or possibly beyond. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:37, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::: Wild mass guessing time! I'd probably say it would take place during the three-year lull in Decepticon activity before Darkness Rising. This would also probably explain away the minor but equally niggling aspect of Prime's different truck mode. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:50, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::: '''I don't think the visuals matter at all. Comparing WFC with Prime, for example, Hasbro feels that the visual style of any particular area within their Aligned universe can look however it wants, so long as it works for the story.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:58, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::::: I know, I know, I just like to fanwank over minor details. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:00, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:: Also, where in Aligned would RB take place? I mean, Prime seems to take place in contemporary times, whereas RB seems to be set at some time in the future... [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 18:23, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::RB takes place on an island which is specifically indicated as being a special place for experimental technology. That's another piece of evidence for RB sharing a universe with the Prime cartoon. If it didn't need to share a universe, they wouldn't have had to spend time talking about how this is a place different from everywhere else. They could have just set it in the future. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:26, 18 December 2011 (EST)
::::I think if it was in the TFP universe, Prime's priority would proooobably have any newcomer Autobots help with the war effort.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:01, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::Although, at the same time, it's made clear that the Rescue Bots are not designed for fighting, and it's not like Prime to force people into the war effort. Plus, there's the fact that this may or may not take place during a time when there was no Decepticon activity anyways. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:::::As Tom says. The war is brought up, but Optimus won't let them join. Why? Because they're the last known survivors of a rescue class of Transformer. Again, the show itself attempts frequently to explain why this RB show exists concurrently with the Prime cartoon while still making sense. It brings up all of the questions we would ask and answers them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 18 December 2011 (EST)

But it said the only human that knew their secret was charlie burns it the first episode. what about Fowler? ([[Special:Contributions/184.56.19.73|184.56.19.73]] 19:43, 18 December 2011 (EST))
:If Optimus didn't tell Fowler about the Rescue Bots, he's gonna be really annoyed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:56, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:In the second episode, Optimus says, "I have found that the young of the species have been our most valuable allies." Clearly Charlie Burns was the only human to know about the Transformers... on that island. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 18 December 2011 (EST)

I was going to say that this cartoon could also fit into the Movieverse.... except by the time Prime first starts his recorded broadcasts welcoming other Autobots to Earth, it's the end of Movie 1 and all of humankind already knows about TFs, meaning there's no need for secrecy for the Rescue guys. It would be very fun to merge Prime and RB, though I'm a bit concerned that that judgment might be being nudged forwards more by how much fun it is rather than how ironclad solid the evidence is. I don't think we are at our usual standard of evidence yet, but I also don't think we will ever get any more than what we've got now. The [[Galvatron II]] page includes the bio writeup for Universe Galvatron because he's potentially a toy of that character, with a disclaimer stating that he might not be as well. If these two Optimi are merged, I recommend taking the same tack: put in an intro note and/or italicize all the actions described from this medium. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:32, 18 December 2011 (EST)
:I say that let's all wait for a few more episodes to air. For example, if Bumblebee appears on the show and he justs happens to be able to talk, then it's confirmed to be an alternate universe or continuity from Transformers Prime. -- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:06, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:: His character model doesn't give him a mouth. Also, he has no voice actor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:27, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::But he still hasn't appeared yet so we can't know for sure. And his character model was concept art not final. Plus, what happens to all the human companions discarded in favor of the Burns?- [[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 18:26, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::It's already likely an alternate universe from Prime. The question is whether it fits into the Aligned continuity family, not the Prime continuity. I think it at least does the former. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:55, 19 December 2011 (EST)
:::I think the cartoon is pretty clearly intended to be in the same universe, with perhaps a few minor continuity hiccups. It is the toyline that appears to be in a slightly different universe from the cartoon so far. Cody is older, Charlie is younger, not a policeman, and not partnered with Chase, and the other characters have different partners. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:16, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: Would it be too early to make a note of it on the [[Aligned timeline]] page? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 19:18, 19 December 2011 (EST)
::: We only have some toys and 2 episodes For now. There are not enough proof to say that RB is part of Aligned Continuity or not. So can't we wait for further information? - [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 06:49, 20 December 2011 (EST) (edited by [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 07:08, 20 December 2011 (EST))
::::As I stated on the other talk page discussion, the burden of proof is on those who say it doesn't fit. Hasbro's said that all of their new properties going forward are working from the Aligned bible. Until something comes up that tells us this cartoon is strangely exempt from that edict, RB is by default in Aligned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:28, 20 December 2011 (EST)
I just realized one thing that doesn't add up with this show and Prime. In Prime, the Earth's core is filled with Dark Energon/Unicron. In Rescue Bots, it's filled with lava/magma. Though, at the end of "One Shall Rise, Part 3" the Dark Energon in that volcano looked like turned (back?) into lava, so... what's the connection between Dark Energon and lava? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 21 December 2011 (EST)
: Volcanic lava does not come from the Earth's core. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::Okay. Though, there's still the matter of one volcano spewing lava and another spewing Dark Energon if they're both linked to the same planetary core. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:16, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::: Volcanoes do not work that way. Good night. :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:18, 21 December 2011 (EST)
:::Lava obviously ''does exist'' in the Aligned universe. ''Prime'' even mentions other normal volcanic eruptions, like the one at the [[Kamchatka Peninsula]]. It's not a problem. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:20, 21 December 2011 (EST)
::::Thanks, Chris. I'm all for Rescue Bots being in Aligned. Just pointing out any things that need clearing up. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 12:27, 21 December 2011 (EST)
Something that makes me lean more towards it taking place before Prime season 1 would be Optimus Prime's altmode. In Prime, he is certainly a long-nosed truck. The Rescue Bots Optimus toy has him turn into a flat-nosed truck. If he ever eventually transforms in the Rescue Bots cartoon, here's hoping his altmode is one that doesn't interfere with the overall shape of his Prime altmode. Cuz, unless he's doing some spontaneous altmode switching, him turning into a flat-nosed truck would lean more towards Rescue Bots taking place before Prime, allowing Optimus to be two different kinds of trucks in both shows. But, if the show has him turn into a long-nosed truck, in spite of what toy turns into, then there's more leeway for the Rescue Bots cartoon to occur at either time (before or during Prime season 1). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:56, 31 December 2011 (EST)
:See the edit I bolded above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:00, 31 December 2011 (EST)

== Robot Heroes and Prime Together? ==

Has hasbro ever said that Robot heroes and and Prime are in the same continuity and if so does that mean that the Prime cartoon and the Robot Heroes cartoon are in the same time line? Doesn't that kinda contradict each other? --[[User:Mojotron|Mojotron]]
: It's "Rescue Bots." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 31 December 2011 (EST)
: 1)Same "continuity family" not necissarily same timeline (look up the difference if you don't know) and 2) No, not at all.
Crap. Don't know why I said why I said Robot Heroes. Has Hasbro ever said said they share the same continuity?
:See above. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:53, 31 December 2011 (EST)
Sure it could be in another timeline but what evidence do we have that they are in the '''SAME CONTINUITY?''' just 'cuz they both show on the Hub doesn't mean that they are the same continuity [[User:Jazzerprime]] 2:47, February 3 2011
::See above "Aligned" conversation. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:44, 3 February 2012 (EST)

== Orion Pax, Part 1 ==

You forgot to update the article. Even though by the time you read this it might already be done. You forgot to add info on Orion Pax, Part 1 and on Rescue Bots. They both aired today. I know because I watched both of them.[[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:08, 18 February 2012 (EST)
:People will edit articles when they feel like it. We do not need your reminders. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:12, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::Rescue Bots is already covered too. Eesh. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:13, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Should we put a Decepticon insignia in the top right corner, seeing as "Orion" bore their insignia in "[[Orion Pax, Part 1]]"? What do you think?{{unsigned|68.147.45.66}}
:Seems logical. Silverbolt gets one because he was a member for like a half-hour in one episode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:24, 18 February 2012 (EST)
::I was going to ask the same thing? But never mind. I just have to say that things can change fast sometimes. This is one of those times. [[Special:Contributions/71.162.103.239|71.162.103.239]] 23:27, 18 February 2012 (EST)

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