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Talk:Don Murphy

2008-06-09T03:25:10Z

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HEY EVRUHWON
AH'M KENNY RAWGERS

YER AWN MAH RALLITY SHOW, BITCHETH.
*takes a swig of whiskey*

I corrected the bit about Moore; adaptations still happen, and he won't prevent them because comics are a collaborative medium and it's not his say, but he refuses to accept any money for them. I recommend that the last, made-up bit should be removed, both for the inaccuracy and because I think it belabors the joke; we'd have a better, funnier article without it. The disambig makes me smile. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 04:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:He actually ''is'' disallowing adaptions of all the work he has full copyright control over. Much of his work is co-owned with Marvel or DC, or just the artist he was collaborating with under terms such that he can't block the sale of rights from being sold. So he's blocking what he can, and refusing to take money for (and disavowing) the rest.
:The article originally had a note to that effect, but I worried that the level of detail into Alan Moore's business dealings was excessive for an article on Don Murphy. (Really, I can only justify the long lawsuit footnote because the entirely COINCIDENTAL fact that it was ''Don'' on the DVD commentary cheerily affirming the damningly circumstantial production timeline.) I will try to either add it in, or if that doesn't work render the Moore statement into a more general 'left hollywood' that encompasses both states of affairs.
:The Majin Zarak disambig makes me smile too, but I wish I hadn't forgotten the word 'the.' You're probably right about the Ewok joke- it's a holdover from the first draft of the article when I though it was just going to be a 'what a jerk!' joke- before I started reading and realized that the man actually ''has'' left a trail of destruction, chaos and lawsuits in his wake on virtually ever project he's ever been attached to. (Sadly that that poitn it meant I had to be ''accurate'' and fact-checking and researching takes much longer.)
:I'm gonna run an errand- so I'll take a look at article revisions in about 40 minutes. If you want to get in any edits without stepping on my toes before then, now's the chance. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::Ah, good to know. I figure what I changed the Moore line to is as succinct and accurate as we can get (I mostly just want to fend off any questions about V For Vendetta and the like), but I'm not particularly attached to it.[[User:Chip|Chip]] 04:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Elaborately cited ''factual'' articles? Going back to templates used on the page and making style tweaks- then stopping to write documentation on them complete with citations, proper interwiki linking and notes on forward-computability and helpful hidden comments for future editors?

This is the ''last time'' I'm taking Adderall before starting an article. From now on I'm only editing the wiki while I'm off my meds! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Picture ==

So... is there a ''replacement'' image Don Murphy to go along with the removal of the article's main picture?

I realize this is part of a "TF in pop culture" purge, but that wasn't the main image for pop value-- it was the main image because there ''literally'' isn't any other picture of Don Murphy online, so a reasonably representative caricature was substituted, as is in line with Wikipedia's general source-value cascade for biographical pictures.

I object to its removal as a pop-culture purge, because it's not here as pop culture. If you wish to remove it- scrounds another picture. I'm sure Murphy's reared his ugly head at a 'con somewhere. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:Just because we don't a legal or appropriate picture on hand means we should just use any picture
::And yet, those Marvel Age Bullpen editor caricature would be probably ''would'' be considered an acceptable main image if no photo was available, where does the line lie?
:[...] and you would do well to remember that in light of your uploads of bootleg DVD and youtube screencaps of the movie.
::The moral authority of the speaker should not impede the moral imperative of the word.
:If there's not appropriate or legal pic around, then we just leave the article image-less.
Appropriate ''or'' legal? Why, by that standard the bootleg screencaps are gold, since you only need to meet one of the two criteria in order be considered wiki-ready! (Yes, I'm mocking your rhetorical gaffe because you completeltely ignored my point about wikipedia's availability-desirability cascade, where at some point, ''yes'', a caricature does becomes both a legitimate and desirable candidate as a bio picture, and then passively-aggressively compared this to bootleg pictures, then warned me that a logical argument can be completely invalidated by the source making it. I respond well to none of those things. Fortunately the issue is moot.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for the link mysterious stanger! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:(Giggle) http://www.latinoreview.com/news.php?id=1502

::I'd have uploaded it myself, but I'm just an IP address. (Rides off into sunset)

:::Then register an account! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:02, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Truly this image possesses that rare quality the Buddhist monks call "Bwehehehehehehe!" -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
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Talk:SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy

2008-05-31T23:19:41Z

71.229.30.57:

Anyone interested in using this screen for anything? I nearly bust a nut laughing at it. http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8824/picture71tb7.png

Whoah whoah whoah. Someone wanna actually protect this page from anons like it's supposed to be? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think he's actually doing anything wrong. Looks like this is today's moose episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::It is. Aired this morning. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The moose be praised--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Keen. I'll have to check my usual source for the moose, and then I'll be more than happy to start writing summaries.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The legitimacy of this specific edit doesn't matter. The page is supposed to be protected from anons, because I defy you to tell me with a straight face that it WON'T need it, and soon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:Got it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::It won't need it. Last week, it was an anon who wrote the summary for [[A Fistful of Energon]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::And? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::And anons can do good as well as evil. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Again, and? Does this magically negate all the shit that's gone down in the recent past that's the reason the warning templates and protections were put up in the first place? No, it doesn't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::At this point, you should push for anon editing to be disabled completely (as Toughpigs suggested during the whole Monacoisation thing) if you feel so strongly. If any articles are to be open to anon editing, this one should be opened now. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:::That was me that wrote last weeks summary. I was going to do something now too, but I guess I can't. In the meantime someone else can add the trivia that the last three numbers of Archer's, Princess', and Nanosec's mugshot IDs represent the number of the episode they first appeared in.--[[User:Raijin K|Raijin K]] 19:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::If you're a registered user, you should be able to write a summary for it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Still not seeing any edit button on the page. I think I'm still too "new".--[[User:Raijin K|Raijin K]] 19:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Write it in a new section here, or on a sandbox page or somesuch, and ask for it to be moved over... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, now someone should unlock it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
It means that for the other ones, they still need to be semi-protected. As for this one, the episode has aired in Canada. I don't think it needs to be semi-protected. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy

2008-05-31T23:19:06Z

71.229.30.57:

Anyone interested in using this screen for anything? http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8824/picture71tb7.png

Whoah whoah whoah. Someone wanna actually protect this page from anons like it's supposed to be? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think he's actually doing anything wrong. Looks like this is today's moose episode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::It is. Aired this morning. - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 16:20, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::The moose be praised--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 16:26, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Keen. I'll have to check my usual source for the moose, and then I'll be more than happy to start writing summaries.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The legitimacy of this specific edit doesn't matter. The page is supposed to be protected from anons, because I defy you to tell me with a straight face that it WON'T need it, and soon. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:30, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:Got it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:32, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::It won't need it. Last week, it was an anon who wrote the summary for [[A Fistful of Energon]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::And? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::And anons can do good as well as evil. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:34, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Again, and? Does this magically negate all the shit that's gone down in the recent past that's the reason the warning templates and protections were put up in the first place? No, it doesn't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::At this point, you should push for anon editing to be disabled completely (as Toughpigs suggested during the whole Monacoisation thing) if you feel so strongly. If any articles are to be open to anon editing, this one should be opened now. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:::That was me that wrote last weeks summary. I was going to do something now too, but I guess I can't. In the meantime someone else can add the trivia that the last three numbers of Archer's, Princess', and Nanosec's mugshot IDs represent the number of the episode they first appeared in.--[[User:Raijin K|Raijin K]] 19:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::If you're a registered user, you should be able to write a summary for it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:16, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Still not seeing any edit button on the page. I think I'm still too "new".--[[User:Raijin K|Raijin K]] 19:19, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Write it in a new section here, or on a sandbox page or somesuch, and ask for it to be moved over... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, now someone should unlock it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
It means that for the other ones, they still need to be semi-protected. As for this one, the episode has aired in Canada. I don't think it needs to be semi-protected. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Blast from the Past

2008-05-13T13:00:04Z

71.229.30.57:

=Grinning=
I love whoever brought up the Tuitor-bot's fallacies about dinosaurs. Does my heart good to see Transformers fans who are as finicky about dinosaurs as I am. However, there is one tiny detail about pterosaurs, and it's hardly significant enough to fix, but this is a Wiki, so... pterosaurs didn't have down, certain species had a fur-like covering. It's possible that Pteranodon could have been sparsely hairy, but overall bald.

==Featured Characters==
Shouldn't the lists be in order of appearance, rather than alphabetical? I know there's the numbers there, but it feels kind of odd to have the numbers bouncing around like that so much. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

:The numbers are there because you can have autobots and decepticons intermingled.
:While there's some advantage (more info communicated) by putting the list in order of appearance ''within faction'', I think it ''reduce'' the usefulness of the list for stories with many appearances. (Like the Beast Wars comics. It's easier to check if a character appeared among that mass if they're in alphabetical order.)
:So there's some merit to what Siph says, but I think the negatives outweigh the benefits. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
::Can't you people just agree to a standard and stick to it? If we do it your way, then we'll have to go back and change the character box listings in all the other articles that have been or are in the process of conversion to M Sipher's episode article standard. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Also, your argument that listening them in order of appearance within faction reduces the usefulness of the list if they appear together all at once is rubbish. In that case, you use common sense an go by the most prominent characters in the scene (like the guy in the foreground, or the guys that have dialogue versus the silent ones or the ones farther in the background). Simple. Easy. And doing this means you no longer have to '''''search''''' for the appearance number in a mass of names to find out who appeared in what order. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm ''aware'' of why you have the numbers. I was not about to propose we get rid of them. I kept all the numbers on the episode pages I did... which have the lists in "order of appearance". It just feels more natural to go with the flow of the story in presenting "who appears" as possible. I don't think that breaking that just so people can theoretically pluck out potential cameo appearances slightly faster from a list is really beneficial.
::: On a related note, I don't like the comic pages' "big paragraph of characters" format for "who appears". Those really need to be tables like the episodes. Yes, sometimes they end up long. They do in certain episodes too (see early ''The Heasmasters'' eps). But it's above all else ''easier to read'' and to pluck out names in a bullet-pointed list. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::::I propose we change it back to listing the names in bullet point based upon their appearance rather than alphabetically. Unfortunately somebody has already decided to list them alphabetically for the Ascending articles... for some reason. Frankly it's more work because they only needed to copy-paste the names in the order they were given in the previous "big paragraph of characters" (if the big paragraph was accurate in the first place). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:I dislike the idea of ordering the list by appearance. Mainly, because I think the order that people appeared in is way less important than who appeared at all. If I look at a cast list, 99 times out of 100 it's going to be because I want to know which characters were in the story (or if a particular character was). I don't think I've *ever* cared about the order of appearance. If the lists were ordered by appearance, it would make it harder for me to find what I am looking for. And, I think, probably what most people would be looking for. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

::I prefer to list by order of appearance because, hey, less work. Listing alphabetically means to gather up the names of all the characters appearing in the story, putting them into alphabetical order, then going back and numbering them afterwards. Seems like that's merely creating extra work by comparison to simply typing in the name and the number of appearance of a character as they appear on page or on screen. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Autobot logo? ==

It doesn't make sense for Grimlock to have an Autobot logo at this point (it's on his robot mode chest in screenshots). Continuity error? Should it be mentioned? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 08:39, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Well, the Autobot's powers bringed them to alive, so probably the Dinobots ARE made Autobot by the Allspark Key. Remember, they also had blue eyes, not red. They just confused and misguided. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 09:00, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Part of Megatron's cover story in case their transforming abilities were discovered? Part of a backup plan to discredit the Autobots? Added by Bulkhead and Prowl when they evac'd the Dinobots to mark them as under their protection? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:It's weird, probably a boo-boo, but there's plenty of mundane explanations for it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Blast from the Past

2008-05-13T12:56:49Z

71.229.30.57: /* Miscellaneous trivia */

[[Image:DinobotsAnimated.jpg|thumb|350px|"When they opened Disneyland in 1955, nothing worked."<br>"Yes, but, John, when Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists."]]

{{episodenav|animated|6|season=1|prev=Total Meltdown|next=The Thrill of the Hunt}}

'''Professor Sumdac upgrades a trio of animatronic dinosaurs from a local theme park, but the creatures develop minds of their own and become rampaging Dinobots, bent on destroying the Autobots.'''

==Synopsis==

[[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] takes the [[Autobot]]s to "[[Dino Drive]]", a [[dinosaur]]-based theme park, in order to teach them about [[Earth]]'s history. On the way, [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] accidentally destroys every car in the parking lot. Once inside, [[Tutor Bot]] gives an impromptu lesson on dinosaurs. The Autobots see the animatronic dinosaurs and become amazed by the replicas, especially Bulkhead, who becomes so fascinated that he tries to get the robot ''Pteranodon'' to fly. This only succeeds in having the robot fall and cause a ''Triceratops'' and ''Tyrannosaurus'' robot to collide and break each other, crushing Tutor Bot in the process. The Autobot take the broken animatronics to [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] for repair.

At the lab, [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] views the power of dinosaurs through the damaged Tutor Bot and seems very impressed by their destructive potential. Sumdac enters the lab and berates himself for programming the Tutor Bot with such simple information that everyone already knows. Megatron reveals his consciousness by saying ''he'' never knew these things. Sumdac is shocked, and Megatron, pretending that he has just come back online, asks where he is. Professor Sumdac rambles a bit, then says it's a long story. Megatron reassures him that he can listen, as he is not going anywhere. After Sumdac gives a brief history of Megatron's discovery and how he relates to modern technology, Megatron convinces Sumdac that he is an old friend of the Autobots and that they'll be more forgiving of Sumdac keeping his secrets if he helps repair their old comrade. However, it would be best to keep it quiet for now. As a sign of good faith, he offers to help Sumdac repair the dinosaur displays and provide information on how to upgrade their technology so they'll be even more convincing. He conveniently forgets to tell Sumdac that he plans on using them for prototype attack drones.

Meanwhile, at the Autobot base, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] is trying to teach Bulkhead how to control his strength. This, of course, ends with Bulkhead falling on Prowl. He then tries a new tactic and moves the training to an island in Lake Erie. This results in Bulkhead causing some trees to drop on Prowl.

At Dino Drive, Sumdac reveals his and Megatron's creations to the gathered press and Autobots—the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]! After a short display, Megatron takes control, and the Dinobots go on a rampage. As the Autobots fight them, Bulkhead tries to recreate Prowl's teaching, but to no effect other than falling into Prowl and knocking him flat on his back. [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] then combine their powers to create an electromagnetic pulse to shut down the Dinobots, but Sari's key is somehow drawn to the creatures. She decides to help and plugs the key into Bumblebee. The blast intensifies, blowing the dinosaurs' skins off and revealing the robot bodies beneath. Professor Sumdac is confused as to why they malfunctioned and brings them back to his lab for maintenance.

At Sumdac's lab, Megatron becomes perplexed as to why the key activated, thinking it sensed something Cybertronian about the Dinobots. He dismisses this idea and curses the drones for being useless. Their failure also forces Megatron to reassess his plans. Given the primitive level of technology available on the planet, it could take years not only to create adequate attack drones, but even longer for his own new body. Megatron laments the grim situation of being locked away in Sumdac's lab, then something very surprising happens{{m-}}the ''Tyrannosaurus'' starts to talk, and the other dinosaurs begin to move. On top of that, Megatron finds he can't control them!

Megatron then surmises that the Autobots must have done something to them, declaring that, somehow, they have [[spark]]s of their own. The ''Tyrannosaurus'' then dubs himself "[[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]" and, without fail, Megatron declares that he is the Dinobots' leader. Grimlock doesn't approve of this concept and announces that ''he'' is the leader, and [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] and [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] seem to agree. The Tutor Bot activates, much to Megatron's annoyance, and explains how dinosaur fossils create fossil fuel, which powers cars and trucks. Grimlock takes this to mean cars and trucks "eat" dinosaurs and announces that cars and trucks are bad. Megatron takes advantage of their low intelligence and tells them to destroy the "fossil feeders", and, of course, that the only things worse than cars and trucks are "car robots". He shows them how to use one of their more destructive powers, [[fire-breath]], and they use it to destroy the Tutor Bot. Grimlock is pleased with this, but does not know how he did it. Megatron explains how he designed them, then tells them that the fossil feeders want them dead, so the Dinobots go to defend themselves.

As they start on their rampage, [[Captain Fanzone]] and assembled emergency crews try to stop them. Suddenly, Snarl whips a car with his tail, and Captain Fanzone's car becomes the first casualty of the Dinobots' war on the fossil feeders as the thrown car lands on it. Fanzone, not missing a beat, takes a bazooka and shoots Snarl in the face, but he just swallows the incoming missile.

The Autobots arrive and, at Bulkhead's suggestion, lure the Dinobots to a park in order to avoid any more collateral damage. As Grimlock sees them transform, he remembers something he'd forgotten: Car robots are worse than cars and trucks. Furious, he orders the Dinobots to attack. As the battle goes on, the Autobots are seriously outmatched, especially since Bulkhead is trying to "access the situation" before acting, as Prowl tried to teach him to do. Prowl, realizing their disadvantage, hollers for Bulkhead not to try and be like Prowl, but to be like ''Bulkhead''. Reassured, Bulkhead quickly drops Snarl and Swoop.

At the lab, Sumdac and Megatron are watching the events unfold on the news, and Sumdac is unable to comprehend why the Dinobots malfunctiooned again. Suddenly, the professor realizes that the fire-breath was part of Megatron's design specifications. Megatron feigns shame, claiming that he wanted a body again, so he experimented with the Dinobots by adding "features". Sumdac sympathizes with Megatron, promising not to tell the Autobots and to restore Megatron one day.

Meanwhile, Bumblebee and Ratchet are pinned down by Grimlock's fire-breath. Snarl and Swoop get up and join in, the heat melting the parking lot behind the two Autobots. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] remembers the tar lesson from Dino Drive, and Bulkhead throws all three Dinobots into the newly formed pool. The Dinobots use their flames in an attempt to free themselves from the "black, sticky stuff", but only make things worse for themselves.

The Dinobots are trapped with only their heads sticking out. Professor Sumdac promises to melt them down due to their unpredictableness and the danger they therefore pose. Optimus approves of this, but Prowl does not, feeling that they have shown they have minds and sparks of their own. When Sumdac returns the next morning, he finds the Dinobots have escaped from their tar prison.

On the [[Dinobot Island|deserted island]] where Prowl and Bulkhead trained, the Dinobots are freed into a large crater which houses a beautiful natural environment. Prowl and Bulkhead see how happy they are and decide to keep it their little secret. With that, Prowl sets a hologram up to keep them hidden and safe from the world.

[[Image:Animated cartoon Grimlock energo-sword.jpg|thumb|200px|By the power of Greyskull, ME GRIMLOCK AM KING!]]
After they leave, Grimlock dubs cars and trucks bad, but Nature good. Two birds promptly defecate on him, which makes him rethink his claim and dub Nature stupid. He orders the birds to come down and "fight like Dinobot" and spits out a flame at them, but they simply fly away. Furious, Grimlock suddenly activates another of Megatron's "features" and transforms! Snarl and Swoop stare in amazement as Grimlock draws a [[Energo-sword|giant, flaming sword]]. Grimlock like...

{{-}}

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Kevin Hopps]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Ben Jones]], & [[Kentaro Mizuno]]
*'''Original airdate:''' January 12, 2008

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s

|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (6)
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (3)
* [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]] (9)
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (2)
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (5)
* [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (4)
* [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] (10)
* [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] (11)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (7)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
* [[Captain Fanzone]] (12)
* [[Isaac Sumdac]] (8)
* [[Sari Sumdac]] (1)

|}

==Quotes==
"Sorry I'm late, guys. Uh, did I miss anything?"<br>
"No, I'd say you hit just about every car in the lot."
:—'''Bulkhead''' can't seem to catch a break, certainly not from '''Bumblebee'''.

"Nice, Prowl. Maybe next you can teach an engine block to float."
:—'''Ratchet''' being a crotchety old goat

"This island will be the ideal place to train [[Bulkhead|you]]: quiet, peaceful, and nothing around for you to damage."
:{{m-}}'''Prowl''', who is wrong

"The primitive materials available on this planet are useless. It will take countless solar cycles to create attack drones capable of ''my'' needs, and without more substantial robotics for my own body, my prospects are grim, locked in this prison of a lab."<br>
"Grim...lock...Grim...lock."
:—'''Megatron''' learns why '''Grimlock'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s name doesn't start with an "S".

"Me Grimlock."<br>
"Then listen well, Grimlock. I am Megatron, your leader."<br>
"[[Grimlock (G1)|Me Grimlock leader.]]"
:—'''Grimlock''' and '''Megatron'''. Some things never change.

"Cars and trucks bad! [[Car Robots|Car robots]]...worse!"
:{{m-}}'''Grimlock''', to the dismay of [[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]] fans everywhere.

"Bulkhead...what are you ''doing''?"<br>
"I'm doing what you do!"<br>
"...better idea! Do what ''you'' do!"<br>
:—'''Prowl''' and '''Bulkhead''' discuss strategy.

"You call breathing fire a glitch in the programming?!?"
:—'''Ratchet''', saying what we're all thinking.

"I should be more careful when I try to reverse-engineer alien technology."
:{{m-}}'''Isaac Sumdac's''' entry in the "Gee, You Think?" competition.

"Just because something's big and lumbering and destructive doesn't mean you give up on it."<br>
:—'''Prowl''' delivering the most backhanded compliment ever

"Me Grimlock...like."
:—'''Grimlock''' upon transforming. And the world trembled.

{{-}}

==Other notes==

===Animation errors===

*In one scene, Snarl's head is coloured grey instead of gold.

*Prowl removes his Autobot symbol because of its hologram emitter. However, in the next shot, he still has it.

===Transformers references===
*A far-off island that becomes a training ground for a lumbering warrior to hone his skills without causing collateral damage to the Autobots' base? Gee, [[Dinobot Island|that sure sounds familiar...]]

*After smashing into Snarl, Bulkhead cheerfully apologizes with "Excuse me!" in much the same way that ''Generation 1'' [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] did after stomping on a [[Quintesson]] in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.

* Grimlock's line "Cars and trucks bad! Car Robots worse!!!" may be taken as a subtle jab at ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Transformers: RiD]]'', which was called ''Car Robots'' in Japan.

*Only two other anamatronic dinosaurs are seen in Dino Drive, a ''Stegosaurus'' and an unidentified sauropod. These may be references to [[Sludge]] and the original [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]. And/or potential future Dinobots.

*Grimlock's robot mode resembles his look in the Generation One series. However, in this series, he wields a flaming sword just like his G1 toy and depiction in several comic series including Transformers War Within.

*This is not the first series to use a tar pit to entrap the Dinobots. In the original G1 cartoon episode [[Dinobot Island, Part 1|"Dinobot Island,"]] Megatron used the island's residents to drive the Dinobots into a tar pit to get them out of the Decepticon's way. In the G1 Marvel comic series, the Decepticon Shockwave defeated the Dinobots by entombing them in tar (before falling in himself).

===Real-world references===
* The gate of Dino Drive is remarkably similar to the gate of Jurassic Park in the movie of the same name (and thus, by extension, to the gate from ''King Kong'', to which Jurassic Park's design was an [[homage]]). Music reminiscent of the ''Jurassic Park'' theme can be heard during some of the Dino Drive scenes.

===Miscellaneous trivia===

* This marks the first time the Dinobots have been used in a ''Transformers'' TV series since Generation 1. There is much joy. Grimlock is particularly happy.

* Snarl was obviously designed to be the ''Animated'' incarnation of the [[Generation 1]] [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]. (Preproduction shots even bore the name Slag.) Given that Hasbro [http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=76674442 holds the US trademark for "Slag" unopposed, and renewed it as recently as Xmas 2007], why this should be is a complete mystery. Regardless, Grimlock is the only Dinobot to have received an in-show name.

* The Dinobots' color schemes are lifted directly from the Generation 1 cartoon, with some minor variations. This is most obvious in Swoop's torso being blue, rather then the red featured in Generation 1 Swoop's comic and toy incarnations. The ''[[Diaclone]]'' version of [[Swoop (G1)|Generation 1 Swoop]]'s toy likewise had a blue chest, so this is possibly an homage, but is more likely coincidence.

* For the first time in a Transformers TV show, the Dinobots' alt modes match closely with how dinosaurs are depicted in the fossil record (no sluggishness, more mammal/bird-like, Grimlock bent over horizontally, no bowleggedness, etc.). There was still a lack of feathers before they were de-skinned, though. (However, since it's doubtful ''T. Rex''es had a feather covering like smaller therapods, and large pterosaurs had short, bristly fur, if at all, it's not really an issue)

*In this episode, Tutor Bot actually teaches Sari and the Autobots about dinosaurs and fossil fuels. He's back on form, however, when the pre-Transformer Grimlock squashes him.

* It seems somewhat odd (but not terribly surprising) that humanity has developed advanced robotics and such, but still uses fossil fuels in cars.

* According to Ratchet, the Transformer race is over 10 billion years old.

*Tutor Bot makes statements of questionable factual accuracy in this episode:
**Despite what Tutor Bot says, fossil fuels are ''not'' made from dinosaur fossils. Fossil fuels are made from various [[wikipedia:Hydrocarbon|hydrocarbon]]s, which are mostly formed from plant matter that has long since settled in the Earth's crust. For more, see [[wikipedia:Fossil fuel|this]].
**Tutor Bot claims that the [[wikipedia:Jurassic|Jurassic]] era is over 200 million years old. It lasted from circa 199.6 million years ago to 145.4 million years ago.
**Tutor Bot claims that many of the creatures lived during the Jurassic period, but ''Tyrannosaurus'', ''Triceratops'' and the pterosaur ''Pteranodon'' hail from the Late [[wikipedia:Cretaceous|Cretaceous]], not the Jurassic. The only dinosaurs actually from that time period are the ''Stegosaurus'' and the sauropod mentioned above. This makes Tutor Bot blind, vague, or incapable of teaching about dinosaurs, fossil fuels, and (depending on how literally you take him) basic math. The fact that Professor Sumdac continues to fix him is almost amazing.
*Michigan does not have volcanoes.

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Talk:Yuki Ohshima

2008-04-27T00:04:37Z

71.229.30.57: /* This guys seems pretty cool */

==De-snark==
Well, I made the page but it's not particularly good. If anyone wants to de-snark it, over-snark it or expand on the information, go right ahead. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Personally, I think the guy's one ice cream truck away from total pedophilia, so I say leave it as is. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 16:07, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
::I heartily endorse any event or product that gives this creep everything he deserves. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Hm, my original draft was a lot harder on the guy, but I figured it'd be wiser to keep a level of objectivity... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:18, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
As I understand the situation, putting girls and rape imagery in his TF work wasn't his idea. That was our good friend Takara Marketing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:Considering the guy's repertoire is pretty much entirely consisting of lolicon works, I strongly doubt he objected to it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
:::To be honest, I don't recall seeing anything of Ohshima's besides Kiss Player, but even if his body of work is disturbingly underaged, the "registered sex offender" photo caption strikes me as potential libel suit material...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==Name==
Is he ever officially credited or named as "Yuki Ohshima"? Because the romanization system used here would render his name in English as "Yuki Ōshima". [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:The romanization system used here would render it "Yūki Ōshima", in that case. I'm not sure if there's a preferred/official spelling in English, though. I Googled him in various permutations of his first name in roman letters with his full name in Japanese and got the following results:

:* [http://www.google.com/search?q=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B6%8B%E5%84%AA%E6%9C%A8+Yuki&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a 大嶋優木 Yuki]
:* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=uvS&q=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B6%8B%E5%84%AA%E6%9C%A8+Yuuki&btnG=Search 大嶋優木 Yuki]
:* [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=Q1S&q=%E5%A4%A7%E5%B6%8B%E5%84%AA%E6%9C%A8+Y%C5%ABki&btnG=Search 大嶋優木 Yūki]

:Draw what conclusions you will.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
::Romanization seems to be random, so I'll just move it to the Hepburn style, to be consistent with other articles. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:56, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::His romanized name is plastered all over the various Kiss Players merchandise as '''Yuki Ohshima'''. [[User:Evan1975|Evan1975]] 06:10, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==This guys seems pretty cool==
The caption of the pic with Sari Sumdac lying down redirects to this guy, I like him. [[User:Tyciol|Tyciol]] 01:20, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
:You do you know what [[Kiss Players]] is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:30, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Yuki Oshiama's a pretty cool guy. Eh jacks off to little girls and doesn't afraid of anything.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

File talk:Rattrap bm treehugger.jpg

2008-04-25T14:02:03Z

71.229.30.57: New page: I like big PODS and I cannot lie You other bots can't de-ny. When a plant walks in with a teeny stem waist and them pedals in your face you get SPRUNG.

I like big PODS and I cannot lie

You other bots can't de-ny.

When a plant walks in with a teeny stem waist

and them pedals in your face you get SPRUNG.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

File talk:No Sari Sumdac.jpg

2008-04-25T12:14:39Z

71.229.30.57: New page: You know, I think the paper he's holding might indicate that there's "no data" on "Sari Sumdac." Really, I have no idea what led me to this conclusion. Call it a hunch, I guess.

You know, I think the paper he's holding might indicate that there's "no data" on "Sari Sumdac."

Really, I have no idea what led me to this conclusion. Call it a hunch, I guess.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>